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+    <B>Pascal Terjan</B> 
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+&gt;<i> - perl-prelude, from package libprelude (maintainer: nobody)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;fails during compilation with missing gnutls/extra.h
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;not related to perl (?)
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+I have &quot;fixed&quot; this part, and the python binding.
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Jerome Quelin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jquelin at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - perl-prelude, from package libprelude (maintainer: nobody)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;fails during compilation with missing gnutls/extra.h
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;not related to perl (?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have &quot;fixed&quot; this part, and the python binding.
+</I>
+... but it failed to build on the buildsystem with the errors my
+patched fixed locally... time to sleep anyway
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> pterjan &lt;pterjan&gt; 2:5.16.0-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 252545
+</I>&gt;<i> - Fix one more conflict
+</I>&gt;<i> - Make conflicts less stricts
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;+ blino &lt;blino&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- update conflicts with perl-Archive-Tar
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;+ jquelin &lt;jquelin&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- update to perl 5.16
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;to minimize differences to upstream, i did not remove any module.
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;dual-lifed modules conflicting on a script will rename the script to
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;version it (eg: /usr/bin/script-x.y.z)
+</I>
+Still not enough as perl-Pod-Perldoc suppression was removed when
+updating to 5.16.0:
+
+Preparing ...
+#####################################################################################################################################################
+Installation failed&#160;:       file /usr/bin/zipdetails from install of
+perl-2:5.16.0-4.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+perl-IO-Compress-2.49.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+        file /usr/bin/perldoc from install of
+perl-doc-2:5.16.0-4.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package
+perl-Pod-Perldoc-3.150.0-2.mga1.noarch
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+    <B>Dick Gevers</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20fglrx-8.961-3.mga3%20not%20working%20with%0A%20kernel-server-3.4.1-0.rc1.1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C20120601060836.ee3f666c522516ef3b36e665%40xs4all.nl%3E"
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+[RPM] cauldron nonfree/release fglrx-8.961-3.mga3.nonfree:
+
+&gt;<i>Name        : fglrx                        Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i>Version     : 8.961                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i>Release     : 3.mga3.nonfree                Build Date: Mon May 28
+</I>&gt;<i>18:24:16 2012 Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host:
+</I>&gt;<i>ecosse.mageia.org Group       : System/Kernel and hardware    Source RPM:
+</I>&gt;<i>(none) Size        : 108433756                        License: Freeware
+</I>&gt;<i>Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i>Packager    : tmb &lt;tmb&gt;
+</I>
+Using x86_64 on ATI Radeon HD 6400 with Pentium i7 950 glx does not work,
+but when I continue with kernel-server-3.3.6-2.mga2 there is no problem at
+all, see below. With 3.4 there's lots, also shown below.
+
+But back on kernel3.3 glxinfo is okay with exactly the same fglrx version:
+see attachment.
+
+I hope someone has an idea how we can use fglrx on the most recent kernel.
+
+Thanks in advance &amp; best regards,
+
+=Dick Gevers=
+
+
+With kernel3.4 glxinfo:
+X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such
+operation) Major opcode of failed request:  139 (ATIFGLEXTENSION)
+  Minor opcode of failed request:  66 ()
+  Serial number of failed request:  13
+  Current serial number in output stream:  13
+name of display: :0.0
+
+with kernel3.4 xlockmore:
+X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such
+operation) Major opcode of failed request:  139 (ATIFGLEXTENSION)
+  Minor opcode of failed request:  66 ()
+  Serial number of failed request:  103
+  Current serial number in output stream:  103
+
+with kernel3.4 BOINC (which should run 24/24h if I can help it):
+X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such
+operation) Major opcode of failed request:  136 ()
+  Minor opcode of failed request:  19
+  Serial number of failed request:  12
+  Current serial number in output stream:  12
+
+[1]+  Exit 1                  ./boinc
+
+
+-------------- next part --------------
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+Size: 21864 bytes
+Desc: not available
+URL: &lt;/pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20120601/b4eb4ee3/attachment-0001.obj&gt;
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+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09perl-5.16.0-5.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3CCAONrEtab%3D_L8GFhuA3SNVjaLcqjMdKHPFK7rRv%2BKMMrk%3DBCDHw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 2:5.16.0-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 252787
+</I>&gt;<i> - conflict with perl-Pod-Perldoc
+</I>
+We still need this:
+
+--- ../perl.spec
++++ perl.spec
+@@ -18,7 +18,7 @@
+
+ Name:     perl
+ Version:  5.16.0
+-Release:  %mkrel 5
++Release:  %mkrel 6
+ Epoch:    2
+
+ %define rel %{nil}
+@@ -75,6 +75,7 @@
+ Conflicts: perl-Module-Build &lt; 1:0.380.0-3
+ Conflicts: perl-Module-CoreList &lt;= 2.610.0
+ Conflicts: perl-Pod-Perldoc &lt; 3.150.0-3
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The following drivers failed to rebuild:
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+updated status:
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+The following drivers failed to rebuild:
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+- virtualbox
+- x11-driver-video-sisimedia
+- x11-driver-video-sisusb
+- x11-driver-video-xgi
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+The only other driver we miss is virtualbox which fails to compile:
+/usr/include/xorg/os.h:496:25: error: expected identifier or '('
+before '__extension__'
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+Anyone testing on real HW?
+Remember to enable both core/updates_testing &amp; nonfree/updates_testing
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+&gt;<i> On 30 May 2012 11:18, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; eg: we need to package a newer snapshot of nouveau
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have a nVidia card, so need nouveau to be able to test.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I've just uploaded it.
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+I'll try this weekend.
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 01:32:57PM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 30 May 2012 11:18, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; eg: we need to package a newer snapshot of nouveau
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I have a nVidia card, so need nouveau to be able to test.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've just uploaded it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll try this weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Olav
+</I>
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+On 12/05/31 14:21 +0200, Jerome Quelin wrote:
+&gt;<i> rebuilds are proceeding.
+</I>&gt;<i> only 27 packages remain to be rebuild. i have some problems with the
+</I>&gt;<i> following, though:
+</I>
+thanks to blino, pterjan (and maybe some others), here's the latest
+status...
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+** still failing:
+
+- perl-concord, from package concordance (maintainer: anssi) fails
+  during automake, doesn't seem related to new perl. since it doesn't
+  seem related to perl, i won't investigate further.
+
+- perl-openbabel, from package openbabel (maintainer: nobody) fails
+  during compilation, with missing openbabel/obutil.h not related to
+  perl (?) since it doesn't seem related to perl, i won't investigate
+  further.
+
+- perl-Graphics-Magick, from package graphicsmagick (maintainer: stormi)
+  fails with &quot;Could not find a typemap for C type 'Graphics::Magick'.&quot;
+  related to perl, but don't know exactly what the problem is.
+
+- perl-OSSP-uuid, from ossp_uuid (maintainer: nobody)
+  compilation fails with undefined references. not related to perl.
+  since it doesn't seem related to perl, i won't investigate further.
+
+
+** fixed:
+
+- perl-prelude, from package libprelude
+- apache-mod_perl
+- perl-Apache2-ModSSL, perl-Apache-SSLLookup, libapreq2
+- perl-PerlIO-Util
+ 
+
+** waiting for upstream:
+
+- perl-B-C
+  fixed upstream, waiting for a new release (patch is not trivial to
+  extract, due to lots of work being done since last release)
+
+- perl-XSLoader, reported upstream
+  <A HREF="https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=77557">https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=77557</A>
+
+- perl-Device-Cdio - reported upstream
+  <A HREF="https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=77579">https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=77579</A>
+
+- perl-Gimp - reported upstream
+  <A HREF="https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=77580">https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=77580</A>
+  module last updated in 2007, not sure that it'll get solved anytime
+  soon.
+
+
+==&gt; in the meantime, i think it's safe to upgrade. just remove the
+packages above to make sure the upgrade goes smoothly.
+
+considering perl upgrade to be finished. please report any problem other
+than the ones above.
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+j&#233;r&#244;me 
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+    <B>Charles A Edwards</B> 
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+Charles A Edwards &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">CAE at eslrahc.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:41:22 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> jquelin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Jerome Quelin at 01/06/12 14:44 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> considering perl upgrade to be finished. please report any problem other
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+Just for reference, I did my upgrade earlier today. All very smooth and
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+<PRE>On 1 June 2012 14:53, jquelin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> jquelin &lt;jquelin&gt; 2.52.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 252852
+</I>&gt;<i> - update to 2.052
+</I>
+You broke it again:
+installing perl-Gtk2-WebKit-0.90.0-4.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+perl-DateTime-0.720.0-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+perl-doc-5.16.0-6.mga3.noarch.rpm
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+Preparing...
+#####################################################################################################################################################
+Installation failed:    file /usr/bin/zipdetails conflicts between
+attempted installs of perl-IO-Compress-2.52.0-1.mga3.x86_64 and
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Jerome Quelin at 01/06/12 14:44 did gyre and
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> considering perl upgrade to be finished. please report any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problem other than the ones above.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Just for reference, I did my upgrade earlier today. All very smooth
+</I>&gt;<i> and nothing to report. Nice job all!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>I'm still getting &quot;missing signatures&quot;.  I'm just wondering whether
+there is a cache to clear somewhere, to make a fresh start?  I
+sometimes had to do that with yum.
+
+Anne
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+&gt;<i> On 01/06/12 15:43, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Jerome Quelin at 01/06/12 14:44 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> considering perl upgrade to be finished. please report any
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> problem other than the ones above.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just for reference, I did my upgrade earlier today. All very smooth
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and nothing to report. Nice job all!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm still getting &quot;missing signatures&quot;.  I'm just wondering whether
+</I>&gt;<i> there is a cache to clear somewhere, to make a fresh start?  I
+</I>&gt;<i> sometimes had to do that with yum.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+urpmi --clean
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+On 01/06/12 19:02, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> 01.06.2012 20:55, Anne Wilson skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 01/06/12 15:43, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Jerome Quelin at 01/06/12 14:44 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>  gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> considering perl upgrade to be finished. please report any 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> problem other than the ones above.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just for reference, I did my upgrade earlier today. All very 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> smooth and nothing to report. Nice job all!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm still getting &quot;missing signatures&quot;.  I'm just wondering 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whether there is a cache to clear somewhere, to make a fresh
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> start? I sometimes had to do that with yum.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi --clean
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Wow! that's unplugged something! 338 packages to update!
+Thanks
+
+Anne
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+    <B>Liam R E Quin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> - perl-Graphics-Magick, from package graphicsmagick (maintainer: stormi)
+</I>&gt;<i>   fails with &quot;Could not find a typemap for C type 'Graphics::Magick'.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>   related to perl, but don't know exactly what the problem is.
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378197">https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378197</A> may help.
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 21:30:18 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:
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+Hi, 
+I've just installed clamav and I think that clamd (clamav daemon) havr to be 
+required by clamav, else freshclam crash because of missing /etc/init.d/clamd 
+and sockets.
+WDYT?
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+maybe it's freshclam that should be split off.
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+can't freshclam also fetch virus definitions for clamscan? no clamd should be 
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 21:30:18 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> I've just installed clamav and I think that clamd (clamav daemon) havr to
+</I>be
+&gt;<i> required by clamav, else freshclam crash because of missing
+</I>/etc/init.d/clamd
+&gt;<i> and sockets.
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe it's freshclam that should be split off.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> can't freshclam also fetch virus definitions for clamscan? no clamd
+</I>should be
+&gt;<i> required there (depending on configuration)
+</I>
+We can't drop Freshclam because (I think) it's needed to update clamav
+database.
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+<PRE>On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Sandro CAZZANIGA
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've just installed clamav and I think that clamd (clamav daemon) havr to be
+</I>&gt;<i> required by clamav, else freshclam crash because of missing
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/init.d/clamd and sockets.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>
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+I'm contacting you in my role as packager mentoring coordinator.
+(continued below)
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+Robert Wood a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Following a discussion on the forum, I'd like to volunteer to do some 
+</I>&gt;<i> packaging.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I develop software [and hardware] for a living, *but* this is little 
+</I>&gt;<i> embedded programs that work on processors with a few k of RAM and up 
+</I>&gt;<i> to 256k of flash memory. The up-side to this is that I understand 
+</I>&gt;<i> programming and much of this is not totally alien to me; the down side 
+</I>&gt;<i> is there's a fair difference between run-to-complete programs written 
+</I>&gt;<i> for an ARM or AVR in C and huge program using endless libraries in C++!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, if someone is willing to work with me and hand-hold me in learning 
+</I>&gt;<i> the process, it would be great to give something back to the 
+</I>&gt;<i> community. I am constantly learning new stuff in my job and certainly 
+</I>&gt;<i> willing and able to learn how to do this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Rob
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Since Mageia 2 is now released, and experienced packagers (potential 
+mentors) don't have all their free time occupied by the release process, 
+now is a good time to start the mentoring process.
+
+The first step is to get a Mageia Identity from 
+<A HREF="http://identity.mageia.org/,">http://identity.mageia.org/,</A> if you haven't already done so.  (This is 
+used for virtually all interaction on Mageia.)
+
+The next step is, ideally, to post your information at 
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packaging_apprentice_candidates.">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packaging_apprentice_candidates.</A>
+Potential mentors can then refer to this list to find the most 
+appropriate apprentices.
+If you like, I can do that for you -- just let me know your Mageia Id.
+(I'll use the info in your post)
+
+Also it is very useful to hang out IRC (freenode #mageia-mentoring -or- 
+#mageia-dev),
+as well as posting to the mageia-dev list as you did.
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+In the next day or so I will be putting my regular post on the -dev 
+list, of potential packagers looking for a mentor.  I'd like to have 
+your name on it.
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+Regards :)
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+-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 2 juni 2012 01:23:14 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 1 juin 2012 22:40, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 21:30:18 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've just installed clamav and I think that clamd (clamav daemon) havr to 
+</I>be
+&gt;<i> &gt; required by clamav, else freshclam crash because of missing 
+</I>/etc/init.d/clamd
+&gt;<i> &gt; and sockets.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; maybe it's freshclam that should be split off.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can't freshclam also fetch virus definitions for clamscan? no clamd should 
+</I>be
+&gt;<i> &gt; required there (depending on configuration)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We can't drop Freshclam because (I think) it's needed to update clamav 
+</I>database. 
+&gt;<i> Cheers.
+</I>
+I don't mean dropping, i meant split off.
+
+both clamd and clamav can be installed separately and freshclam can be of use 
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op zaterdag 2 juni 2012 01:23:14 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 1 juin 2012 22:40, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 21:30:18 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I've just installed clamav and I think that clamd (clamav daemon)
+</I>havr to
+&gt;<i> be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; required by clamav, else freshclam crash because of missing
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/init.d/clamd
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; and sockets.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; maybe it's freshclam that should be split off.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; can't freshclam also fetch virus definitions for clamscan? no clamd
+</I>should
+&gt;<i> be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; required there (depending on configuration)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We can't drop Freshclam because (I think) it's needed to update clamav
+</I>&gt;<i> database.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't mean dropping, i meant split off.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> both clamd and clamav can be installed separately and freshclam can be of
+</I>use
+&gt;<i> by both
+</I>
+You don't understand. Clamav provides freshclam, but you can't use
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+&gt;<i> Le 2 juin 2012 09:13, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Op zaterdag 2 juni 2012 01:23:14 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le 1 juin 2012 22:40, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 21:30:18 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; I've just installed clamav and I think that clamd (clamav daemon)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> havr to
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; required by clamav, else freshclam crash because of missing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /etc/init.d/clamd
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; and sockets.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; maybe it's freshclam that should be split off.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; can't freshclam also fetch virus definitions for clamscan? no clamd
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> should
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; required there (depending on configuration)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; We can't drop Freshclam because (I think) it's needed to update clamav
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; database.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Cheers.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't mean dropping, i meant split off.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; both clamd and clamav can be installed separately and freshclam can be of
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> use
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; by both
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You don't understand. Clamav provides freshclam, but you can't use
+</I>&gt;<i> freshclam without clamd...
+</I>
+i call bullshit.
+
+commenting out Notify in freshclam.conf is sufficient
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+</I>&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 2 juni 2012 09:16:48 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 2 juin 2012 09:13, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Op zaterdag 2 juni 2012 01:23:14 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Le 1 juin 2012 22:40, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 21:30:18 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I've just installed clamav and I think that clamd (clamav daemon)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; havr to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; required by clamav, else freshclam crash because of missing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; /etc/init.d/clamd
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and sockets.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; maybe it's freshclam that should be split off.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; can't freshclam also fetch virus definitions for clamscan? no
+</I>clamd
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; required there (depending on configuration)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; We can't drop Freshclam because (I think) it's needed to update
+</I>clamav
+&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; database.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Cheers.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I don't mean dropping, i meant split off.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; both clamd and clamav can be installed separately and freshclam can
+</I>be of
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; by both
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You don't understand. Clamav provides freshclam, but you can't use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; freshclam without clamd...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i call bullshit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> commenting out Notify in freshclam.conf is sufficient
+</I>
+Oops, I didn't noticed that. Sorry!
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+&gt;<i>I've just installed clamav and I think that clamd (clamav daemon) havr to
+</I>&gt;<i>be required by clamav, else freshclam crash because of
+</I>&gt;<i>missing /etc/init.d/clamd and sockets.
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Anyone testing on real HW?
+</I>&gt;<i> Remember to enable both core/updates_testing &amp; nonfree/updates_testing
+</I>
+updated status:
+
+- major driver that were tested and works OK:
+  o video: radeon fbdev
+  o input: wacom, evdev mouse keyboard
+- major driver that need being tested:
+  o video: fglrx intel nouveau nvidia vesa
+  o input: synaptics
+- minor driver that need being tested:
+  o video: openchrome sis vmware
+  o input: vmmouse
+
+The following drivers still fail to rebuild:
+
+- virtualbox
+- x11-driver-video-sisimedia
+- x11-driver-video-sisusb
+- x11-driver-video-xgi
+
+The only other driver we miss is virtualbox which fails to compile:
+/usr/include/xorg/os.h:496:25: error: expected identifier or '('
+before '__extension__'
+
+Waiting for you to test on more real HW...
+Remember to enable both core/updates_testing &amp; nonfree/updates_testing
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+    <B>Donald Stewart</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 1 June 2012 10:55, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyone testing on real HW?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Remember to enable both core/updates_testing &amp; nonfree/updates_testing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> updated status:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - major driver that were tested and works OK:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o video: radeon fbdev
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o input: wacom, evdev mouse keyboard
+</I>&gt;<i> - major driver that need being tested:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o video: fglrx intel nouveau nvidia vesa
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o input: synaptics
+</I>&gt;<i> - minor driver that need being tested:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o video: openchrome sis vmware
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o input: vmmouse
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The following drivers still fail to rebuild:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - virtualbox
+</I>&gt;<i> - x11-driver-video-sisimedia
+</I>&gt;<i> - x11-driver-video-sisusb
+</I>&gt;<i> - x11-driver-video-xgi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only other driver we miss is virtualbox which fails to compile:
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/include/xorg/os.h:496:25: error: expected identifier or '('
+</I>&gt;<i> before '__extension__'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Waiting for you to test on more real HW...
+</I>&gt;<i> Remember to enable both core/updates_testing &amp; nonfree/updates_testing
+</I>
+Nvidia also works fine here 9600M GT.
+
+Nice work on the new stack.
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Waiting for you to test on more real HW...
+</I>&gt;<i> Remember to enable both core/updates_testing &amp; nonfree/updates_testing
+</I># LC_ALL=C urpmi --media &quot;Nonfree Updates Testing,Core Updates Testing,Core Release,Nonfree
+Release&quot; --auto-select
+Some requested packages cannot be installed:
+x11-driver-video-nvidia-current-295.49-4.mga3.nonfree.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+xserver-abi(videodrv)[&lt; 12])
+x11-server-common-1.11.4-4.mga3.x86_64 (due to conflicts with
+x11-server-common-1.12.2-1.mga3.x86_64)
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+
+Nvidia needs rebuilding?
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+--
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+<PRE>02.06.2012 13:15, Sander Lepik skrev:
+&gt;<i> 02.06.2012 11:36, Thierry Vignaud kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Waiting for you to test on more real HW...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Remember to enable both core/updates_testing &amp; nonfree/updates_testing
+</I>&gt;<i> # LC_ALL=C urpmi --media &quot;Nonfree Updates Testing,Core Updates Testing,Core Release,Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> Release&quot; --auto-select
+</I>&gt;<i> Some requested packages cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-nvidia-current-295.49-4.mga3.nonfree.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> xserver-abi(videodrv)[&lt; 12])
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-server-common-1.11.4-4.mga3.x86_64 (due to conflicts with
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-server-common-1.12.2-1.mga3.x86_64)
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Nvidia needs rebuilding?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Hm, I think this is more of a missing feature in buildsystem...
+
+wich also would explain the drivers that got built against &quot;wrong abi&quot;...
+
+I dont thing BS adds core updates_testing to build medias when
+submitting to nonfree (or tainted) updates_testing...
+
+iirc only core/releases and the media you submit too is getting used as
+source
+
+--
+Thomas
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+    <B>Olivier Blin</B> 
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+
+&gt;<i> 02.06.2012 13:15, Sander Lepik skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 02.06.2012 11:36, Thierry Vignaud kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Waiting for you to test on more real HW...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Remember to enable both core/updates_testing &amp; nonfree/updates_testing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # LC_ALL=C urpmi --media &quot;Nonfree Updates Testing,Core Updates Testing,Core Release,Nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release&quot; --auto-select
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some requested packages cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-nvidia-current-295.49-4.mga3.nonfree.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> xserver-abi(videodrv)[&lt; 12])
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x11-server-common-1.11.4-4.mga3.x86_64 (due to conflicts with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x11-server-common-1.12.2-1.mga3.x86_64)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nvidia needs rebuilding?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hm, I think this is more of a missing feature in buildsystem...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wich also would explain the drivers that got built against &quot;wrong abi&quot;...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I dont thing BS adds core updates_testing to build medias when
+</I>&gt;<i> submitting to nonfree (or tainted) updates_testing...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> iirc only core/releases and the media you submit too is getting used as
+</I>&gt;<i> source
+</I>
+A package in nonfree/updates_testing might not want deps from
+core/updates_testing, so we probably don't want to add
+core/updates_testing unconditionally here
+
+-- 
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 15:44 +0200, Jerome Quelin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - perl-Graphics-Magick, from package graphicsmagick (maintainer: stormi)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   fails with &quot;Could not find a typemap for C type 'Graphics::Magick'.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   related to perl, but don't know exactly what the problem is.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378197">https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378197</A> may help.
+</I>
+Thanks for the pointer!
+It was a bit weird though since the gentoo report was about
+graphicsmagick, but pointed to solutions about imagemagick...
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+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> iirc only core/releases and the media you submit too is getting used as
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+</I>&gt;<i> A package in nonfree/updates_testing might not want deps from
+</I>&gt;<i> core/updates_testing, so we probably don't want to add
+</I>&gt;<i> core/updates_testing unconditionally here
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Yep. wich is why I called it a missing feature, not a bug.
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+but we need a way to make it work.
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+I guess for now submitting the needed x11-server to nonfree
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+&gt;<i> On 2 June 2012 14:08, fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0:13.0-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 253388
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix tarball dir
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - 13.0 final
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You forgot to reset mkrel :-)
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+Nope.
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+As the betas had wrong mkrel, this had to be done :)
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+    <B>Florent Monnier</B> 
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+# work on the package &amp; add/update the subrel
+# add a line &quot;%define subrel 1&quot; before %mkrel (the first one is 1, not 0)
+mdvsys ci -m &quot;description of the changes&quot;
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+2012/6/2 Florent Monnier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">monnier.florent at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've found and fixed a bug in one package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With mdvsys the process to provide a bugfix to the users was:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mdvsys co --distribution 2010.1 $PKG
+</I>&gt;<i> # work on the package &amp; add/update the subrel
+</I>&gt;<i> # add a line &quot;%define subrel 1&quot; before %mkrel (the first one is 1, not 0)
+</I>&gt;<i> mdvsys ci -m &quot;description of the changes&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> mdvsys submit --distribution 2010.1 --target 2010.1 \
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;--define section=contrib/updates $PKG
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the equivalent with mgarepo ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
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+&gt;<i> What is the equivalent with mgarepo ?
+</I>I think you should read the full policy first: <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy</A>
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+<PRE>Le samedi 02 juin 2012 15:18:07, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 02.06.2012 15:57, Florent Monnier kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What is the equivalent with mgarepo ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you should read the full policy first:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy</A>
+</I>
+Yes, I've read this yet but it is quite complicated, I don't really understand 
+everything.
+Could you explain in more *simple english* what is the process ?
+And preferrably with concrete example and show what are the mgarepo command 
+lines ?
+Something in the form of a &quot;tutorial&quot; would also be appreciated.
+
+The bugfix is this one:
+
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/lua/current/SOURCES/lua-5.1-">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/lua/current/SOURCES/lua-5.1-</A>
+dynlib.patch?r1=2413&amp;r2=253361
+
+Without this fix it is *impossible* to use lua with ocaml in native compiled 
+code (and maybe with other tools too).
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+<PRE>Le samedi 2 juin 2012 15:53:16, Florent Monnier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 02 juin 2012 15:18:07, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 02.06.2012 15:57, Florent Monnier kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; What is the equivalent with mgarepo ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think you should read the full policy first:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I've read this yet but it is quite complicated, I don't really
+</I>&gt;<i> understand everything.
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you explain in more *simple english* what is the process ?
+</I>&gt;<i> And preferrably with concrete example and show what are the mgarepo command
+</I>&gt;<i> lines ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Something in the form of a &quot;tutorial&quot; would also be appreciated.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+If someone writes a tutorial that will be added, but meanwhile you'd better 
+say what you don't understand in the policy the way it is written, because it 
+might not be obvious to us who understand it.
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+<PRE>Le samedi 02 juin 2012 15:53:16, vous avez &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 02 juin 2012 15:18:07, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 02.06.2012 15:57, Florent Monnier kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; What is the equivalent with mgarepo ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think you should read the full policy first:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy</A>
+</I>
+Well, I've tryied to follow the process, and I found the commands on this 
+other page:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mgarepo#I_want_to_submit_a_package_in_updates_testing_for_a_stable_release">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mgarepo#I_want_to_submit_a_package_in_updates_testing_for_a_stable_release</A>
+
+So here is what I've done, please tell me if that's correct or not:
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+$ mgarepo co 2/lua
+$ bm -b -l
+$ cd lua
+$ vim SOURCES/lua-5.1-dynlib.patch SPECS/lua.spec
+$ mgarepo maintdb get lua
+nobody
+
+# filled this bug:
+# <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6296">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6296</A>
+
+$ svn diff
+Index: SPECS/lua.spec
+===================================================================
+--- SPECS/lua.spec	(r&#233;vision 253430)
++++ SPECS/lua.spec	(copie de travail)
+@@ -7,6 +7,7 @@
+ Summary:	Powerful, light-weight programming language
+ Name:		lua
+ Version:	5.1.4
++%define subrel 1
+ Release:	%mkrel 10
+ License:	MIT
+ URL:		<A HREF="http://www.lua.org/">http://www.lua.org/</A>
+Index: SOURCES/lua-5.1-dynlib.patch
+===================================================================
+--- SOURCES/lua-5.1-dynlib.patch	(r&#233;vision 253430)
++++ SOURCES/lua-5.1-dynlib.patch	(copie de travail)
+@@ -22,7 +22,7 @@
+  	$(RANLIB) $@
+ 
+ +$(LUA_SO): $(CORE_O) $(LIB_O)
+-+	gcc -Wl,-soname=liblua.so.$(V) -shared -o $@ $(MYLDFLAGS) $? $(LIBS) 
+$(LUA_O)
+++	gcc -Wl,-soname=liblua.so.$(V) -shared -o $@ $(MYLDFLAGS) $? $(LIBS)
+ +	rm -f liblua.so
+ +	ln -s $@ liblua.so
+ +
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+$ mgarepo ci -m 'fixed building the dynamic library liblua.so: the .o file of 
+the interactive interpreter lua.o should not be used to build the .so lib'
+
+## Rev 253431
+
+$ mgarepo submit 2/lua --define section=core/updates_testing -t 253431
+Fetching revision...
+URL: svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/updates/2/lua">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/updates/2/lua</A>
+Commit: 253431 | blue_prawn | fixed building the dynamic library liblua.so: 
+the .o file...
+error: command failed: ssh pkgsubmit.mageia.org /usr/local/bin/submit_package 
+-t 253431 --define sid=a62f5725-69ee-40ee-beb4-4e062402cf30 --define 
+section=core/updates_testing -r 253431 
+svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/updates/2/lua">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/updates/2/lua</A>
+error: target not found
+
+
+## I've written this &quot;update advisory announcement&quot; :
+## <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6296#c1">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6296#c1</A>
+
+## I've reassign the bug to <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">qa-bugs at ml.mageia.org</A>
+
+I don't understand &quot;Lists ALL SRPMS needed for the update&quot;
+Is it the list of the packages used in the BuildRequires ?
+
+Please tell me, if all that I have just (already) done is OK ?
+If not please tell me how to correct ?
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+-- 
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 02 juin 2012 15:53:16, vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 02 juin 2012 15:18:07, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 02.06.2012 15:57, Florent Monnier kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What is the equivalent with mgarepo ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think you should read the full policy first:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I've tryied to follow the process, and I found the commands on this 
+</I>&gt;<i> other page:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mgarepo#I_want_to_submit_a_package_in_updates_testing_for_a_stable_release">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mgarepo#I_want_to_submit_a_package_in_updates_testing_for_a_stable_release</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So here is what I've done, please tell me if that's correct or not:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+.. snip ..
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+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> $ mgarepo submit 2/lua --define section=core/updates_testing -t 253431
+</I>&gt;<i> Fetching revision...
+</I>&gt;<i> URL: svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/updates/2/lua">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/updates/2/lua</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Commit: 253431 | blue_prawn | fixed building the dynamic library liblua.so: 
+</I>&gt;<i> the .o file...
+</I>&gt;<i> error: command failed: ssh pkgsubmit.mageia.org /usr/local/bin/submit_package 
+</I>&gt;<i> -t 253431 --define sid=a62f5725-69ee-40ee-beb4-4e062402cf30 --define 
+</I>&gt;<i> section=core/updates_testing -r 253431 
+</I>&gt;<i> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/updates/2/lua">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/updates/2/lua</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> error: target not found
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+You command is wrong. Replace '-t 253431' with '-t 2'. -t means target,
+which is 2 in your case.
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+&gt;<i> I don't understand &quot;Lists ALL SRPMS needed for the update&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it the list of the packages used in the BuildRequires ?
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+Here the list will just be &quot;lua&quot;, as this is the only source package that is 
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0:13.0-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 253388
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix tarball dir
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - 13.0 final
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+</I>&gt;<i> You forgot to reset mkrel :-)
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+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 2 June 2012 14:08, fwang&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fwang&lt;fwang&gt;  0:13.0-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 253388
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - fix tarball dir
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - 13.0 final
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You forgot to reset mkrel :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> 13.0??  I thought we were sticking with ESR releases.
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+</I>Mageia 3 will be release in march so I guess we will have Firefox 17 on 
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+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 2 June 2012 14:08, fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0:13.0-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; + Revision: 253388
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - fix tarball dir
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - 13.0 final
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You forgot to reset mkrel :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 13.0??  I thought we were sticking with ESR releases.
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+</I>&gt;<i> It's cauldron! ESR is for MGA2, at least I understood it so ...
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+&gt;<i> 2012/6/3 David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On 2 June 2012 14:08, fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0:13.0-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; + Revision: 253388
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - fix tarball dir
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - 13.0 final
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; You forgot to reset mkrel :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 13.0??  I thought we were sticking with ESR releases.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's cauldron! ESR is for MGA2, at least I understood it so ...
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+So we won't be doing the same for Mageia 3?
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+&gt;<i> Marek Laane wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/3 David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 2 June 2012 14:08, fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0:13.0-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 253388
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - fix tarball dir
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - 13.0 final
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You forgot to reset mkrel :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 13.0??  I thought we were sticking with ESR releases.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's cauldron! ESR is for MGA2, at least I understood it so ...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So we won't be doing the same for Mageia 3?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Yes we will, but that will be the next ESR, probably firefox 17
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+Following <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/05/31/background-credits/,">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/05/31/background-credits/,</A> all 
+packages and isos have been updated to use original design. Packages 
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+Isos were all rebuilt and tested and uploaded yesterday night.
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+Thanks QA team and tmb for all the hard work
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+We need also torrent seeders to update it. A blog post is being 
+proofreaded to inform about all this.
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+    <B>R&#233;mi Verschelde</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Following <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/05/31/background-credits/,">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/05/31/background-credits/,</A> all
+</I>&gt;<i> packages and isos have been updated to use original design. Packages updates
+</I>&gt;<i> are available as usual for Mageia 2 and Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isos were all rebuilt and tested and uploaded yesterday night.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks QA team and tmb for all the hard work
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need also torrent seeders to update it. A blog post is being proofreaded
+</I>&gt;<i> to inform about all this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi Anne!
+
+Could you give us the md5sum for the various ISOs?
+I understand that the ISOs were uploaded yesterday night, but I
+suppose some mirrors could still provide the old ISOs, so having the
+md5sum could help us to be sure that we download the new content.
+
+Thanks for the quick and efficient response to the artwork issue.
+
+Cheers,
+R&#233;mi
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+    <B>R&#233;mi Verschelde</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Could you give us the md5sum for the various ISOs?
+</I>
+BTW I just downloaded Mageia-2-i586-DVD.iso from MUD and the md5sum is
+b734a23a43e5f2950dc485876372de09.
+This is not the md5sum which is displayed on
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/get/?q=Mageia-2-i586-DVD.iso">http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/get/?q=Mageia-2-i586-DVD.iso</A> but I
+guess the latter is wrong (I remember that the md5sum for the previous
+ISO started with something like &quot;afc&quot;).
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+Romain, could you update the md5sum on www?
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+Cheers,
+R&#233;mi
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+&gt;<i> use oxygen-gtk theme
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%202%20and%20Cauldron%20updated%20with%20proper%20design&In-Reply-To=%3C4FCB3854.5080309%40mageia.org%3E"
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+<PRE>03.06.2012 12:30, R&#233;mi Verschelde skrev:
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/3 Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Following <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/05/31/background-credits/,">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/05/31/background-credits/,</A> all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages and isos have been updated to use original design. Packages updates
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are available as usual for Mageia 2 and Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Isos were all rebuilt and tested and uploaded yesterday night.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks QA team and tmb for all the hard work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We need also torrent seeders to update it. A blog post is being proofreaded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to inform about all this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Anne!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you give us the md5sum for the various ISOs?
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand that the ISOs were uploaded yesterday night, but I
+</I>&gt;<i> suppose some mirrors could still provide the old ISOs, so having the
+</I>&gt;<i> md5sum could help us to be sure that we download the new content.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+all the new md5sums:
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+&gt;<i> d6a1a76b04fb0aca908347a13acb13d7  Mageia-2-dual-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> b734a23a43e5f2950dc485876372de09  Mageia-2-i586-DVD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> f6630721bde476813a615eb175801072  Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Africa-India-i586-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> 5ee8ba0a25ebe7f994bacdb7330a9f4d  Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Africa-India-x86_64-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> 67215966e381297821cd5dfbd83005b7  Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Asia-no-India-i586-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> 23029d4ed8f44148cf7cdf2ed13b2310  Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Asia-no-India-x86_64-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> f02da0d0ad82e4ef06fae901a3f3623e  Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> 05dcab35e8f5190f727f3d4d1eb27b70  Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-x86_64-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> 57cb6f5cd2d95c9c58ea6c9e688723ba  Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe2-i586-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> 3aa9194c9715c3437dfed98763929c92  Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe2-x86_64-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> 864aaa312f61c385c077b51cc54f50c0  Mageia-2-LiveCD-KDE4-Africa-India-i586-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> 7df71d9b8a2c10cc4d677131de940655  Mageia-2-LiveCD-KDE4-Africa-India-x86_64-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> 81b453bd2764beb5d9fc06a84e5173d0  Mageia-2-LiveCD-KDE4-Asia-no-India-i586-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> 83614598b14dd3c95aa3eb9d497b8186  Mageia-2-LiveCD-KDE4-Asia-no-India-x86_64-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> f587db8c82f987a3210e1a827878061b  Mageia-2-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> 635577c075e5ebed1d4f111d14ebc644  Mageia-2-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe1-Americas-x86_64-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> 114f3b6469968bfb067b99d96f3b1e63  Mageia-2-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-i586-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> 5cf6bca267fb323a3138c920e35ed3be  Mageia-2-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-x86_64-CD.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> 0274423b95aed09b53286b5fc7282fef  Mageia-2-x86_64-DVD.iso
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+<PRE>03.06.2012 12:33, R&#233;mi Verschelde skrev:
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/3 R&#233;mi Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">remi at verschelde.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could you give us the md5sum for the various ISOs?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW I just downloaded Mageia-2-i586-DVD.iso from MUD and the md5sum is
+</I>&gt;<i> b734a23a43e5f2950dc485876372de09.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is not the md5sum which is displayed on
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/get/?q=Mageia-2-i586-DVD.iso">http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/get/?q=Mageia-2-i586-DVD.iso</A> but I
+</I>&gt;<i> guess the latter is wrong (I remember that the md5sum for the previous
+</I>&gt;<i> ISO started with something like &quot;afc&quot;).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
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+This is now fixed.
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+&gt;<i> Romain, could you update the md5sum on www?
+</I>
+Hi, I updated them all last night:
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/web/www/trunk/en/downloads/get/definitions.ini?r1=1155&amp;r2=1274">http://svnweb.mageia.org/web/www/trunk/en/downloads/get/definitions.ini?r1=1155&amp;r2=1274</A>
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+but didn't notice svn was locked so it didn't update.
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+I removed the lock and synced changes.
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+Romain, if the lock was intentional, let me know and I'll lock it again.
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+&gt;<i> Marek Laane wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/3 David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On 2 June 2012 14:08, fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0:13.0-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; + Revision: 253388
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - fix tarball dir
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - 13.0 final
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; You forgot to reset mkrel :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 13.0?? &#160;I thought we were sticking with ESR releases.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's cauldron! ESR is for MGA2, at least I understood it so ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So we won't be doing the same for Mageia 3?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+Is this a new feature, or have I stumbled upon a bug?
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+&gt;<i> I notice that when, at the end of the installation of MGA2, I select the
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+</I>&gt;<i> Linux Single mode without a challenge password, which is a new, and IMHO
+</I>&gt;<i> undesirable, behavior from previous versions.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this a new feature, or have I stumbled upon a bug?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The /etc/inittab does have ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin in it but I can get
+</I>&gt;<i> in without a password... Must be something new in system D
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+    <B>Richard Couture</B> 
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+On 06/03/2012 06:30 AM, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 03.06.2012 14:27, Richard Couture wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I notice that when, at the end of the installation of MGA2, I select the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> level of security as HIGH, that I am permitted entry into the system in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Linux Single mode without a challenge password, which is a new, and IMHO
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> undesirable, behavior from previous versions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is this a new feature, or have I stumbled upon a bug?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The /etc/inittab does have ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin in it but I can get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in without a password... Must be something new in system D
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a bit off topic, but please don't hijack threads.
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+&gt;<i> I am a bit confused by your message... I sent my message with a new and
+</I>&gt;<i> unique Subject, How is that considered hijacking a thread? Am I missing the
+</I>&gt;<i> point?
+</I>
+I don't see a hijacked thread either.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Richard
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 06/03/2012 06:30 AM, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 03.06.2012 14:27, Richard Couture wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I notice that when, at the end of the installation of MGA2, I select the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> level of security as HIGH, that I am permitted entry into the system in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Linux Single mode without a challenge password, which is a new, and IMHO
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> undesirable, behavior from previous versions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is this a new feature, or have I stumbled upon a bug?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The /etc/inittab does have ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin in it but I can get
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in without a password... Must be something new in system D
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is a bit off topic, but please don't hijack threads.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+    <B>Manuel Hiebel</B> 
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+</I>&gt;<i> I don't see a hijacked thread either.
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+    <B>Jani V&#228;limaa</B> 
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+<PRE>On 03.06.2012 14:35, Richard Couture wrote:
+&gt;<i> I am a bit confused by your message... I sent my message with a new and
+</I>&gt;<i> unique Subject, How is that considered hijacking a thread? Am I missing
+</I>&gt;<i> the point?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+New and unique subject isn't always enough. There's still some headers
+from message which you presumably used with Reply button to get mailing
+list address and then erased the message box.
+
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+References: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">4FCB1DA9.1070308 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+In-Reply-To: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">4FCB1DA9.1070308 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> On 06/03/2012 06:30 AM, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 03.06.2012 14:27, Richard Couture wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I notice that when, at the end of the installation of MGA2, I select the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> level of security as HIGH, that I am permitted entry into the system in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Linux Single mode without a challenge password, which is a new, and IMHO
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> undesirable, behavior from previous versions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is this a new feature, or have I stumbled upon a bug?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The /etc/inittab does have ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin in it but I can get
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in without a password... Must be something new in system D
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is a bit off topic, but please don't hijack threads.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 03.06.2012 14:35, Richard Couture wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am a bit confused by your message... I sent my message with a new and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unique Subject, How is that considered hijacking a thread? Am I missing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the point?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> New and unique subject isn't always enough. There's still some headers
+</I>&gt;<i> from message which you presumably used with Reply button to get mailing
+</I>&gt;<i> list address and then erased the message box.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> References: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">4FCB1DA9.1070308 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> In-Reply-To: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">4FCB1DA9.1070308 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>
+Well, normally I do not look at the extended header. In my mailer the
+message by Richard came in as new message, not within an older thread.
+That's why I also replied that I do not see any hijacked Thread.
+
+Looking at the references show 2 references but i never received the
+mails with these references.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/03/2012 06:30 AM, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 03.06.2012 14:27, Richard Couture wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I notice that when, at the end of the installation of MGA2, I select the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> level of security as HIGH, that I am permitted entry into the system in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Linux Single mode without a challenge password, which is a new, and IMHO
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> undesirable, behavior from previous versions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is this a new feature, or have I stumbled upon a bug?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The /etc/inittab does have ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin in it but I can get
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in without a password... Must be something new in system D
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is a bit off topic, but please don't hijack threads.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> 2012/6/3 Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 03.06.2012 14:35, Richard Couture wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I am a bit confused by your message... I sent my message with a new and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; unique Subject, How is that considered hijacking a thread? Am I missing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the point?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; New and unique subject isn't always enough. There's still some headers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from message which you presumably used with Reply button to get mailing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; list address and then erased the message box.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; References: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">4FCB1DA9.1070308 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In-Reply-To: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">4FCB1DA9.1070308 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, normally I do not look at the extended header. In my mailer the
+</I>&gt;<i> message by Richard came in as new message, not within an older thread.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's why I also replied that I do not see any hijacked Thread.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Looking at the references show 2 references but i never received the
+</I>&gt;<i> mails with these references.
+</I>[...]
+
+it's Anne's mail with subject: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with 
+proper design
+
+also, OP, we like that in mailing list, no top posting is going on. iow: if 
+you reply, put your reply under the quoted part. for regular messages 
+topposting is fine, but in mailing lists it reads alot better.
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Op zondag 3 juni 2012 14:04:07 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/3 Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On 03.06.2012 14:35, Richard Couture wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I am a bit confused by your message... I sent my message with a new and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; unique Subject, How is that considered hijacking a thread? Am I missing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the point?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; New and unique subject isn't always enough. There's still some headers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; from message which you presumably used with Reply button to get mailing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; list address and then erased the message box.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; References: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">4FCB1DA9.1070308 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; In-Reply-To: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">4FCB1DA9.1070308 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, normally I do not look at the extended header. In my mailer the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> message by Richard came in as new message, not within an older thread.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's why I also replied that I do not see any hijacked Thread.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Looking at the references show 2 references but i never received the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mails with these references.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it's Anne's mail with subject: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with
+</I>&gt;<i> proper design
+</I>
+Ok, I received that. Conclusion:
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+threads by subject only. New experience.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; it's Anne's mail with subject: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with proper design
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, I received that. Conclusion:
+</I>&gt;<i> My mail client (Googlemail online) does not honor references, splits
+</I>&gt;<i> threads by subject only. New experience.
+</I>
+That's not what i expected of google, to be sure... but it's one more bug they 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 03/06/12 12:27 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I notice that when, at the end of the installation of MGA2, I select the
+</I>&gt;<i> level of security as HIGH, that I am permitted entry into the system in
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux Single mode without a challenge password, which is a new, and IMHO
+</I>&gt;<i> undesirable, behavior from previous versions.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this a new feature, or have I stumbled upon a bug?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The /etc/inittab does have ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin in it but I can get
+</I>&gt;<i> in without a password... Must be something new in system D
+</I>
+/etc/inittab is no longer used or read.
+
+For single user mode now-a-days we boot to rescue.target (this is done
+automatically if you just put a 1 at the end of the kernel command line
+to support &quot;runlevel 1&quot;).
+
+Ultimately this pulls in rescue.service
+
+This file should source the contents of /etc/sysconfig/init and then
+execute:
+
+/bin/bash -c &quot;exec ${SINGLE}&quot;
+
+So please check /etc/sysconfig/init and make sure SINGLE is set to
+/sbin/sulogin rather than /sbin/sushell.
+
+However you will see from previous threads that I'm not convinced
+sulogin is actually working all that well just now and it some
+pre-release testing it didn't run properly for me.
+
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+
+On the whole, this kind of &quot;security&quot; is basically bullshit anyway. It
+might make things a tiny bit harder, but if you can get into the
+bootloader to append a 1 on the command line, you can also append
+init=/bin/bash too which totally bypasses everything too. So while it's
+maybe a nice idea, for all practical purposes, it's not any kind of real
+security anyway, so don't rely on it!
+
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 03/06/12 04:13 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I installed MGA2 on my laptop and thus far am pleased with what I see.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I did note that as delivered, ffmpeg does not seem to convert between
+</I>&gt;<i> .MOD and anything else... I also can't find avconv which is the current
+</I>&gt;<i> replacement for the defunct ffmpeg.
+</I>
+I'm not sure of the politics but I'm not sure the whole ffmpeg vs libav
+debate is absolute - I'm not sure ffmept could be considered &quot;defunct&quot;
+just yet.
+
+Sadly I don't know about avconv specifically so can't really help answer
+this question.
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 02/06/12 09:36 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> - major driver that need being tested:
+</I>&gt;<i>   o video: fglrx intel nouveau nvidia vesa
+</I>&gt;<i>   o input: synaptics
+</I>
+Testing here on intel+synaptics. Seems fine, nothing of any particular
+note to report other than &quot;it works&quot; :)
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+(ageing 945GM)
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 03/06/12 12:27 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I notice that when, at the end of the installation of MGA2, I select the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> level of security as HIGH, that I am permitted entry into the system in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Linux Single mode without a challenge password, which is a new, and IMHO
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> undesirable, behavior from previous versions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is this a new feature, or have I stumbled upon a bug?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The /etc/inittab does have ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin in it but I can get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in without a password... Must be something new in system D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/inittab is no longer used or read.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For single user mode now-a-days we boot to rescue.target (this is done
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically if you just put a 1 at the end of the kernel command line
+</I>&gt;<i> to support &quot;runlevel 1&quot;).
+</I>
+Ok, convinced.
+But if /etc/inittab is not used any more, where do I change initial
+runlevel not for one boot but for a while? With inittab it was easy to
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 03/06/12 17:12 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/3 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 03/06/12 12:27 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I notice that when, at the end of the installation of MGA2, I select the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> level of security as HIGH, that I am permitted entry into the system in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Linux Single mode without a challenge password, which is a new, and IMHO
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> undesirable, behavior from previous versions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is this a new feature, or have I stumbled upon a bug?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The /etc/inittab does have ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin in it but I can get
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in without a password... Must be something new in system D
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/inittab is no longer used or read.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For single user mode now-a-days we boot to rescue.target (this is done
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> automatically if you just put a 1 at the end of the kernel command line
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to support &quot;runlevel 1&quot;).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, convinced.
+</I>&gt;<i> But if /etc/inittab is not used any more, where do I change initial
+</I>&gt;<i> runlevel not for one boot but for a while? With inittab it was easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> change the default runlevel.
+</I>
+The tools in drak* still let you configure this, so that's the &quot;easy&quot; way.
+
+For real men (and women), we just change the
+/etc/systemd/system/default.target symlink to point at whatever target
+we want to use by default.
+
+For ad-hoc changes you can pass systemd.unit=foo.target on the kernel
+command line or just append a runlevel number or the words &quot;single&quot; or
+&quot;failsafe&quot; as before.
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+Cheers
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 03/06/12 17:12 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/3 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 03/06/12 12:27 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I notice that when, at the end of the installation of MGA2, I select the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> level of security as HIGH, that I am permitted entry into the system in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Linux Single mode without a challenge password, which is a new, and IMHO
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> undesirable, behavior from previous versions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is this a new feature, or have I stumbled upon a bug?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The /etc/inittab does have ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin in it but I can get
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in without a password... Must be something new in system D
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/inittab is no longer used or read.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For single user mode now-a-days we boot to rescue.target (this is done
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> automatically if you just put a 1 at the end of the kernel command line
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to support &quot;runlevel 1&quot;).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok, convinced.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But if /etc/inittab is not used any more, where do I change initial
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> runlevel not for one boot but for a while? With inittab it was easy to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> change the default runlevel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The tools in drak* still let you configure this, so that's the &quot;easy&quot; way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For real men (and women), we just change the
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/systemd/system/default.target symlink to point at whatever target
+</I>&gt;<i> we want to use by default.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For ad-hoc changes you can pass systemd.unit=foo.target on the kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> command line or just append a runlevel number or the words &quot;single&quot; or
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;failsafe&quot; as before.
+</I>
+I knew there will be regressions in usage. No more easy change with sed! :)
+Or:
+I feel educated to use the GUIs!
+
+Thx
+
+-- 
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+    <B>Felix Miata</B> 
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>  /etc/inittab is no longer used or read.
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>  For single user mode now-a-days we boot to rescue.target (this is done
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>  automatically if you just put a 1 at the end of the kernel command line
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>  to support &quot;runlevel 1&quot;).
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i>  where do I change initial
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  runlevel not for one boot but for a while? With inittab it was easy to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  change the default runlevel.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> The tools in drak* still let you configure this, so that's the &quot;easy&quot; way.
+</I>
+Not when X is broken.
+
+&gt;<i> For real men (and women), we just change the
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/systemd/system/default.target symlink to point at whatever target
+</I>&gt;<i> we want to use by default.
+</I>
+So instead of changing one character in a file that has been standard for 
+decades, one must figure out the name of the desired target file, then type a 
+lot so as to get the required symlink.
+
+&gt;<i> For ad-hoc changes you can pass systemd.unit=foo.target on the kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> command line
+</I>
+Ditto.
+
+&gt;<i>  or just append a runlevel number or the words &quot;single&quot; or
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;failsafe&quot; as before.
+</I>
+Thank God everything that used to make good sense hasn't been replaced by 
+something more complicated. I've taken to including a digit on every Grub 
+kernel line quite some time ago.
+-- 
+&quot;The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
+words are persuasive.&quot; Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
+
+  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
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+&gt;<i> I guess for now submitting the needed x11-server to nonfree
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+</I>&gt;<i> it will work around this
+</I>So these packages must be (re)pushed into nonfree/updates_testing?:
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+&gt;<i> On 2012/06/03 17:46 (GMT+0100) Colin Guthrie composed:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;  /etc/inittab is no longer used or read.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For real men (and women), we just change the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /etc/systemd/system/default.target symlink to point at whatever target
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we want to use by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So instead of changing one character in a file that has been standard for 
+</I>&gt;<i> decades, one must figure out the name of the desired target file, then type a 
+</I>&gt;<i> lot so as to get the required symlink.
+</I>
+I agree with Felix, this is not a good change.
+I'm sure there is a perfectly valid ans sound reason for changig it, but there's a difference in changing it for the better and changing it for the worse.
+This is a bad change.
+
+Besides, the best thing about the inittab is that it is self-explanatory even to novices. A symlink is Not obvious.
+
+&gt;<i> Thank God everything that used to make good sense hasn't been replaced by 
+</I>&gt;<i> something more complicated. 
+</I>
+Don't give them any ideas. ;-)=
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+&gt;<i> I've taken to including a digit on every Grub  
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel line quite some time ago.
+</I>
+I've done the same for more than 10 years.
+
+Editing a text file to change a number, eg. from &quot;5&quot; to &quot;3&quot;, is much easier to remember than changing a symlink to &quot;/lib/systemd/system/runlevel3.target&quot;, especially when explaning this to a not so advanced user over the phone, who doesn't have a working X at the moment. (Yes, I actually do have such support calls.)
+The support departments are just going to love this. ;-)=
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> I agree with Felix, this is not a good change.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm sure there is a perfectly valid ans sound reason for changig it, but
+</I>&gt;<i> there's a difference in changing it for the better and changing it for the
+</I>&gt;<i> worse. This is a bad change.
+</I>[...]
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+I don't agree, it's not even a change, it's systemd vs sysvinit. if you don't 
+like it, you can still switch back to sysvinit, This is the way linux is 
+moving forward and i would say: &quot;be a man and at least try it for a bit&quot;, 
+there are no constants in this world anyway...
+
+For some of you, stuff you've known for ages is worthless now and you go back 
+to being a noob (for this sort of thing) and will have to relearn a different 
+way.
+
+So be it.
+
+after all, kernel changes to 2.6.X to 3.X, grub will change to grub2 (different 
+configuration, like no more 0-based numbers, it'll start from 1 instead..), 
+there's now dracut instead of mkinitrd.
+
+truth of the matter is that old stuff inevitably gets historical baggage and 
+different is not necessarily bad.
+
+so, bear with it, know that this mga2 release is a bit of a mix between 
+sysvinit and systemd, and that next release will be systemd only, and thus can 
+cut down on historical baggage which will solve some issues we're having now.
+
+try to relearn all this new stuff first, and see if it's better or worse from a 
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> it's not even a change, it's systemd vs sysvinit. 
+</I>
+That may be so, but it is still a change.
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+&gt;<i> if you don't like it, you can still switch back to sysvinit,
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+I don't have to like it to use it. :-)=
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+&gt;<i> Editing a text file to change a number, eg. from &quot;5&quot; to &quot;3&quot;, is much easier to remember than changing a symlink to &quot;/lib/systemd/system/runlevel3.target&quot;, especially when explaning this to a not so advanced user over the phone, who doesn't have a working X at the moment. (Yes, I actually do have such support calls.)
+</I>&gt;<i> The support departments are just going to love this. ;-)=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Is there anyone who stops you to contribute a script that does this for the user?
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+In order to fix <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4853">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4853</A> we would
+need a newer usb_modeswitch (and it's -data supplement).
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+Do you think it's worth updating to the newest version? I don't know
+this package well but it would seem to be quite a safe one for updating
+(especially the -data package)
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+Col
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+CCing dams as he updated usb_modeswitch in cauldron the other day - I've
+updated the -data package today.
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> truth of the matter is that old stuff inevitably gets historical baggage and 
+</I>&gt;<i> different is not necessarily bad.
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+It is when it doesn't work or if you need a master's degree to get it working (like, e.g. pulseaudio).
+I didn't try systemd yet (apart from the audio I have a perfectly running system, so why update?) but I fear it'll go the same downhill route.
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+<PRE>Le 03/06/2012 18:25, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>       Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> revert last commit: as stated by the comment, this is _NOT_ the boot loader
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>       Modified Paths
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+</I>&gt;<i>   * drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/fr.po
+</I>&gt;<i>     &lt;<A HREF="imap://manuel%40hiebel%2Eeu@mail.gandi.net:993/fetch%3EUID%3E.INBOX%3E113414#drakxtrunkperlinstallinstallsharepofrpo">imap://manuel%40hiebel%2Eeu@mail.gandi.net:993/fetch%3EUID%3E.INBOX%3E113414#drakxtrunkperlinstallinstallsharepofrpo</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/fr.po
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/fr.po	2012-06-03 14:28:13 UTC (rev 4790)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/fr.po	2012-06-03 16:25:53 UTC (rev 4791)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1404,9 +1404,9 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>   #. -PO: This is NOT the boot loader!!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>   #: steps_interactive.pm:1052
+</I>&gt;<i> -#, c-format
+</I>&gt;<i> +#, fuzzy, c-format
+</I>&gt;<i>   msgid &quot;Preparing initial startup program...&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> -msgstr &quot;Pr&#233;paration du programme d'amor&#231;age&#8230;&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> +msgstr &quot;Pr&#233;paration de l'installation&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>   #: steps_interactive.pm:1053
+</I>&gt;<i>   #, c-format
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Really ?
+
+It seems it's the cause of the wrong translation here:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484#c34">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484#c34</A> or with the last iso
+<A HREF="http://freeshell.de/~manu67/mageia/amorce.png">http://freeshell.de/~manu67/mageia/amorce.png</A>
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+and it seems it's the right step:
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+1047 	sub setupBootloaderBefore {
+1048 	my ($o) = @_;
+1049 	local $o-&gt;{pop_wait_messages} = 1;
+1050 	my $_w = $o-&gt;wait_message(N(&quot;Preparing bootloader...&quot;),
+1051 	#-PO: This is NOT the boot loader!!!!
+1052 	N(&quot;Preparing initial startup program...&quot;) . &quot;\n&quot; .
+1053 	N(&quot;Be patient, this may take a while...&quot;)
+1054 	);
+1055 	$o-&gt;SUPER::setupBootloaderBefore;
+1056 	}
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+<PRE>AL13N wrote earlier:
+&gt;<i> For some of you, stuff you've known for ages is worthless now and you go back
+</I>&gt;<i> to being a noob (for this sort of thing) and will have to relearn a different
+</I>&gt;<i> way.
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+The change here is new and needs a different way, yes. Nothing against
+that. But the same result has been reached before in a far easier way,
+it's not only a new way, it's a more complicated way. That's the
+point.
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+2012/6/3 Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 03.06.2012 20:49, Johnny A. Solbu kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Editing a text file to change a number, eg. from &quot;5&quot; to &quot;3&quot;, is much easier to remember than changing a symlink to &quot;/lib/systemd/system/runlevel3.target&quot;, especially when explaning this to a not so advanced user over the phone, who doesn't have a working X at the moment. (Yes, I actually do have such support calls.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The support departments are just going to love this. ;-)=
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there anyone who stops you to contribute a script that does this for the user?
+</I>
+Yes, you see that correctly: a script which is needed because the
+proper way is a regression in usability :)
+
+Don't misunderstand me - if this change is needed because of another
+change then it's ok by me. But that does not mean I have to be over
+enthousisastic about something which makes things not easier but quite
+the contrary.
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+&gt;<i> AL13N wrote earlier:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For some of you, stuff you've known for ages is worthless now and you go
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; back to being a noob (for this sort of thing) and will have to relearn a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; different way.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The change here is new and needs a different way, yes. Nothing against
+</I>&gt;<i> that. But the same result has been reached before in a far easier way,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's not only a new way, it's a more complicated way. That's the
+</I>&gt;<i> point.
+</I>[...]
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+I think that it's not more complicated, it's just different, for someone not 
+knowing about runlevels changing something from 5 to 3 doesn't make much 
+sense, having a symlink point to another file sounds better at least.
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+i think that if i ever understand how systemd works, i'll be likely a simple 
+change that's trivial
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+As most of you will know, doktor5000 has been the main provider of 
+support for Mageia users who go to the forum for help.
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+His workload has increased, at the moment, he makes in between 30 and 40 
+posts in the forum a day.
+That is too much, he has a full-time job, he has packages to maintain, 
+security updates and bug fixes to do, documentation to write, but 
+because of the workload he doesn't get around to doing those other 
+things for Mageia. Worse even, he doesn't have time left for some fun 
+part of life.
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+So your help is more than welcome.
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+Please go to the forum and sign up in this thread 
+<A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681</A> if you want to help.
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+&gt;<i> 03.06.2012 20:49, Johnny A. Solbu kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Editing a text file to change a number, eg. from &quot;5&quot; to &quot;3&quot;, is much easier to remember than changing a symlink to 
+</I>&quot;/lib/systemd/system/runlevel3.target&quot;, especially when explaning this to a not so advanced user over the phone, who doesn't have a working X 
+at the moment. (Yes, I actually do have such support calls.)
+&gt;&gt;<i> The support departments are just going to love this. ;-)=
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there anyone who stops you to contribute a script that does this for the user?
+</I>
+Like a lot of things in UNIX/Linux, it's easy to do it (just one ln command) once you know how to do it.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 03/06/12 18:49 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sunday 03 June 2012 19:09, Felix Miata wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 2012/06/03 17:46 (GMT+0100) Colin Guthrie composed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/inittab is no longer used or read.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For real men (and women), we just change the 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/systemd/system/default.target symlink to point at whatever 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> target we want to use by default.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So instead of changing one character in a file that has been 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> standard for decades, one must figure out the name of the desired 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> target file, then type a lot so as to get the required symlink.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree with Felix, this is not a good change. I'm sure there is a 
+</I>&gt;<i> perfectly valid ans sound reason for changig it, but there's a 
+</I>&gt;<i> difference in changing it for the better and changing it for the 
+</I>&gt;<i> worse. This is a bad change.
+</I>
+Well, if you think about inittab it's pretty crazy... it's a single file
+that contains no dependency information but allows you to create a
+watchable service (i.e. one that can be automatically restarted). Then
+there are sysvinit scripts which allow you to write a non-watchable
+service (unless you fork off your own watching service).
+
+That's two ways to do some pretty similar things. Why? Why do I have to
+learn which way is best and why it's appropriate to start some services
+via initscripts and some from inittab? Truth be told this is just a
+classic example of how features grow an mould over time. Thinking
+logically it's fundamentally broken to have packages install themselves
+and modify your initab file so that they are started automatically.
+That's one of the reasons the initscripts themselves came about, but
+inittab still supports this, even if we don't actively use it so much
+these days.
+
+systemd at very least provides a single, unified method of how units
+are started (with the exception that it still supports sysvinit scripts
+for compatibility although this has now been modularised such that a
+&quot;generator&quot; will actually generate native units in /run tree for
+sysvinit scripts and thus they are converted dynamically every boot).
+All units can contain complex dependency information and vastly improved
+logging and documentation. If you work with it for a while and follow
+what it does, I genuinely hope that you'd agree.
+
+
+With newer systemd's you could likely write a generator that would take
+the information from inittab and convert it to native units. This is
+pretty difficult due to the lack of dependency information, but it
+should work for the most part. You could certainly write a generator
+that parsed the default target easily enough, tho' I'd prefer to just
+leave it behind personally.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Besides, the best thing about the inittab is that it is 
+</I>&gt;<i> self-explanatory even to novices. A symlink is Not obvious.
+</I>
+I completely disagree - I'd say both are equally confusing to novices. I
+mean what the hell is /etc/inittab? It has no meaning unless I know what
+it means - just like the symlink.
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Thank God everything that used to make good sense hasn't been 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> replaced by something more complicated.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't give them any ideas. ;-)=
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've taken to including a digit on every Grub kernel line quite 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some time ago.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I've done the same for more than 10 years.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Editing a text file to change a number, eg. from &quot;5&quot; to &quot;3&quot;, is much 
+</I>&gt;<i> easier to remember than changing a symlink to 
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/lib/systemd/system/runlevel3.target&quot;, especially when explaning 
+</I>&gt;<i> this to a not so advanced user over the phone, who doesn't have a 
+</I>&gt;<i> working X at the moment. (Yes, I actually do have such support 
+</I>&gt;<i> calls.) The support departments are just going to love this. ;-)=
+</I>
+If you have to support a user to change their default runlevel then
+&quot;explaining&quot; to them how to use vi is your problem anyway! Now you don't
+need to school them in how to use a shell editor, you just need to tell
+them one command that support tab completion!. I'd personally say this
+is easier. There are also patches to turn this into an easy command:
+<A HREF="http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.systemd.devel/4911">http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.systemd.devel/4911</A>
+
+Not sure if it's upstream yet, but the principle IMO makes sense.
+
+
+Col
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+    <B>Florian Hubold</B> 
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+<PRE>Am 03.06.2012 20:45, schrieb Colin Guthrie:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In order to fix <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4853">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4853</A> we would
+</I>&gt;<i> need a newer usb_modeswitch (and it's -data supplement).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you think it's worth updating to the newest version? I don't know
+</I>&gt;<i> this package well but it would seem to be quite a safe one for updating
+</I>&gt;<i> (especially the -data package)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> CCing dams as he updated usb_modeswitch in cauldron the other day - I've
+</I>&gt;<i> updated the -data package today.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'm totally for it, as it was pretty much unmaintained before, and there
+are quite some issues about usb_modeswitch, so it's just better
+if there are less of these issues, and more hardware gets supported.
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
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+i read that moonlight is discontinued now. Do we still keep it or drop
+it ? as it seems that most of the websites doesn't work with our
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+&gt;<i> We need also torrent seeders to update it. A blog post is being
+</I>&gt;<i> proofreaded to inform about all this.
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+Too bad, almost had a ratio of 22 for the x86_64 dvd. Seeding again :)
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+&gt;<i> revert last commit: as stated by the comment, this is _NOT_ the boot
+</I>&gt;<i> loader
+</I>&gt;<i> Really ?
+</I>
+Really.
+Being the one who wrote it, yes it isn't.
+This is why we added a comment about it.
+We're only generating the kernel initrds
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+&gt;<i> It seems it's the cause of the wrong translation here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484#c34">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484#c34</A>
+</I>
+You're confusing things.
+We altered the message b/c of this bug report as indeed
+we're no more preparing the boot loader (and for quite
+a few years, as the bootloader is only set after the summary)
+
+&gt;<i> or with the last iso
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://freeshell.de/~manu67/mageia/amorce.png">http://freeshell.de/~manu67/mageia/amorce.png</A>
+</I>
+It's untranslated b/c nobody came with a right translation
+
+&gt;<i> and it seems it's the right step:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1047 sub setupBootloaderBefore {
+</I>&gt;<i> 1048 my ($o) = @_;
+</I>&gt;<i> 1049 local $o-&gt;{pop_wait_messages} = 1;
+</I>&gt;<i> 1050 my $_w = $o-&gt;wait_message(N(&quot;Preparing bootloader...&quot;),
+</I>&gt;<i> 1051 #-PO: This is NOT the boot loader!!!!
+</I>&gt;<i> 1052 N(&quot;Preparing initial startup program...&quot;) . &quot;\n&quot; .
+</I>&gt;<i> 1053 N(&quot;Be patient, this may take a while...&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> 1054 );
+</I>&gt;<i> 1055 $o-&gt;SUPER::setupBootloaderBefore;
+</I>&gt;<i> 1056 }
+</I>
+Before asking this again, just read further what the code do or the
+above bug report.
+
+This has nothing to do with the bootloader.
+The functions have kept their names but the
+bootloader is not set up before the summary,
+way later...
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+Again, this is why we added the &quot;NOT&quot; comment
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+&gt;<i> hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> i read that moonlight is discontinued now. Do we still keep it or drop
+</I>&gt;<i> it ? as it seems that most of the websites doesn't work with our
+</I>&gt;<i> moonlight ( too old )
+</I>
+Where did you read that ?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 03/06/12 21:54 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 03.06.2012 20:49, Johnny A. Solbu kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Editing a text file to change a number, eg. from &quot;5&quot; to &quot;3&quot;, is much easier to remember than changing a symlink to 
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/lib/systemd/system/runlevel3.target&quot;, especially when explaning this to a not so advanced user over the phone, who doesn't have a working X 
+</I>&gt;<i> at the moment. (Yes, I actually do have such support calls.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The support departments are just going to love this. ;-)=
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there anyone who stops you to contribute a script that does this for the user?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Like a lot of things in UNIX/Linux, it's easy to do it (just one ln command) once you know how to do it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora actually installs an /etc/inittab file that just has a comment in it that tells you how to do it with ln.  That's helpful.
+</I>
+Yup we can do that in mga3 where we won't use inittab at all.
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM, D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i read that moonlight is discontinued now. Do we still keep it or drop
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it ? as it seems that most of the websites doesn't work with our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> moonlight ( too old )
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Where did you read that ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/xamarin-abandons-its-silverlight-for-linux-technology/12797?tag=mantle_skin;content">http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/xamarin-abandons-its-silverlight-for-linux-technology/12797?tag=mantle_skin;content</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM, D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i read that moonlight is discontinued now. Do we still keep it or drop
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it ? as it seems that most of the websites doesn't work with our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> moonlight ( too old )
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Where did you read that ?
+</I>
+See: <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight_%28runtime%29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight_%28runtime%29</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight_%28runtime%29#cite_note-Xamarin_abandons_Moonlight-0">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight_%28runtime%29#cite_note-Xamarin_abandons_Moonlight-0</A>
+
+and
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+<A HREF="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/xamarin-abandons-its-silverlight-for-linux-technology/12797">http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/xamarin-abandons-its-silverlight-for-linux-technology/12797</A>
+
+and various other news articles doing the rounds on G+.
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM, D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hi,
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i read that moonlight is discontinued now. Do we still keep it or drop
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it ? as it seems that most of the websites doesn't work with our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> moonlight ( too old )
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Where did you read that ?
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://www.infoq.com/news/2012/05/Miguel-Moonlight">http://www.infoq.com/news/2012/05/Miguel-Moonlight</A>
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+    <B>David W. Hodgins</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Updating%20usb_modeswitch%20in%20mga2&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.wfcln7rbn7mcit%40hodgins.homeip.net%3E"
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+</I>&gt;<i> In order to fix <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4853">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4853</A> we would
+</I>&gt;<i> need a newer usb_modeswitch (and it's -data supplement).
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+As it's an update for a bugfix, where a patch is not suitable, I see
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 14:45:52 -0400, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In order to fix <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4853">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4853</A> we would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> need a newer usb_modeswitch (and it's -data supplement).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> As it's an update for a bugfix, where a patch is not suitable, I see
+</I>&gt;<i> no problem pushing it as an update.
+</I>
+Well in fairness I think it would be possible to patch it for this
+particular device. I just think that's a bit of a short-sighted view of
+the problem generally, hence why I figured it would be best to canvas
+opinions.
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> On 2 June 2012 14:08, fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0:13.0-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 253388
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - fix tarball dir
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - 13.0 final
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+Anyone notice this firefox not rendering some text properly? If I mouse
+over some text it sometimes gets distorted, some text doesn't render at
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+&gt;<i> Anyone notice this firefox not rendering some text properly? If I mouse
+</I>&gt;<i> over some text it sometimes gets distorted, some text doesn't render at
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+</I>
+With which x11 driver?
+Does it work better if you revert lib*cairo* to their mga2 version
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+&gt;<i> On 4 June 2012 09:35, Olav Vitters&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyone notice this firefox not rendering some text properly? If I mouse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> over some text it sometimes gets distorted, some text doesn't render at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all (like the text is transparent), etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I filed a bug on this yesterday -
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6312">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6312</A>
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+&gt;<i> With which x11 driver?
+</I>&gt;<i> Does it work better if you revert lib*cairo* to their mga2 version
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+As can be seen from this upstream report I just submitted:
+<A HREF="https://github.com/Pulse-Eight/libcec/issues/30">https://github.com/Pulse-Eight/libcec/issues/30</A>
+libcec implements a loader function in it's headers. This is a pain for
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+We will need to include the patch I've just submitted to cauldron and
+then rebuild any packages including libcec support to make it load the
+libcec library without the -devel package being installed. We will also
+have to add manual Requires (or at least suggests) for &quot;%mklib cec 1&quot; to
+such packages. *sigh*.
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+If anyone has time to write a proper patch to turn it into a normal
+library with automatic requires etc. etc. then please comment on the
+usptream bug.
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+Col
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 04/06/12 09:53 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> If anyone has time to write a proper patch to turn it into a normal
+</I>&gt;<i> library with automatic requires etc. etc. then please comment on the
+</I>&gt;<i> usptream bug.
+</I>
+I think I'm being an idiot here. I think it is entirely possible and it
+just depends on how you use the package. If you do link directly and
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+After upgrading one of my machines to Mageia 2 I noticed an error
+running cyrus imapd.
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+In the systemd version it runs a file before executing the daemon:
+/usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/cyr_systemd_helper start
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+This script (stolen from fedora) uses the &quot;runuser&quot; command from
+coreutils. While I'm not sure I fully appreciate the difference between
+runuser vs. &quot;su -c&quot; we do provide the utility, and thus IMO it should work!
+
+I've applied the same pam configs as fedora use to our coreutils package
+here:
+
+Can someone review? I've tested that that putting these files on my mga2
+box makes cyrus-imapd run fine.
+
+So if this is OK, it needs to be pushed as an update to Mga2. I'll do
+that once the maintainer (tmb) ACKs it.
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> On 04/06/12 08:45, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 4 June 2012 09:35, Olav Vitters&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anyone notice this firefox not rendering some text properly? If I mouse
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> over some text it sometimes gets distorted, some text doesn't render at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> all (like the text is transparent), etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I filed a bug on this yesterday -
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6312">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6312</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With which x11 driver?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Does it work better if you revert lib*cairo* to their mga2 version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll try that
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>\o/ Yay!
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+Yes - I reverted :-
+libcairo2-1.12.2-2.mga3
+lib64cairo2-1.12.2-2.mga3
+to :-
+libcairo2-1.10.2-6.mga2
+lib64cairo2-1.10.2-6.mga2
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+...and now FF and TB are working as normal.
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+I was not 100% sure whether I may have been running 32 bit FF so I 
+changed both to be sure.
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+I will now add that to the bug report.
+Thanks - I can now use Cauldron again :)
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I filed a bug on this yesterday -
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6312">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6312</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> With which x11 driver?
+</I>
+ping?
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Does it work better if you revert lib*cairo* to their mga2 version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll try that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> \o/ Yay!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes - I reverted :-
+</I>&gt;<i> libcairo2-1.12.2-2.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64cairo2-1.12.2-2.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> to :-
+</I>&gt;<i> libcairo2-1.10.2-6.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64cairo2-1.10.2-6.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...and now FF and TB are working as normal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was not 100% sure whether I may have been running 32 bit FF so I changed
+</I>&gt;<i> both to be sure.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will now add that to the bug report.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks - I can now use Cauldron again :)
+</I>
+No it's NOT a cairo bug.
+It's just unhiding a bug in the x11 driver.
+Again, which one are you using?
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+&gt;<i> On 4 June 2012 09:35, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Anyone notice this firefox not rendering some text properly? If I mouse
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; over some text it sometimes gets distorted, some text doesn't render at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; all (like the text is transparent), etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> With which x11 driver?
+</I>&gt;<i> Does it work better if you revert lib*cairo* to their mga2 version
+</I>
+nouveau, still the old x11 version... have to try the updates_testing.
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+haven't downgraded cairo yet, have to find time, hopefully tonight
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+ - Various releases of GNOME 3.5.x; another one being released atm
+ - 3.5.x will at one point require a really new systemd (with
+   hibernate/sleep functionality; in the systemd announcement Lennart
+   said he'd explain soon in a blogpost)
+ - GNOME online accounts 3.5.x at one point will depend on something to
+   allow you to use the Microsoft Cloud thing (whatever the name is)
+ - GNOME online accounts can depend on Facebook, but doesn't do by
+   default. Think I might activate this
+ - GNOME is adding some kind of initial setup screen, think handled by
+   GDM. No details yet.
+
+Cauldron:
+ - wait until new xorg is in cauldron (not testing)
+ - wait until new systemd (with udev) is in cauldron
+ - then move to 3.5.x and make GNOME require systemd
+   at same time: explicitly kill any ConsoleKit support
+   (some bits fall back to ConsoleKit, some bits don't.. supporting
+   sysvinit will go away with Mageia 3, and I rather prevent bugreports
+   from such configurations)
+
+For Mageia 2:
+ - there are still various bugreports open. Help welcome.
+ - GNOME 3.4.2 should be provided as an update
+   Hopefully can 
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>&#22312; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 20:12:17 +0800, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i> GNOME:
+</I>&gt;<i>  - Various releases of GNOME 3.5.x; another one being released atm
+</I>&gt;<i>  - 3.5.x will at one point require a really new systemd (with
+</I>&gt;<i>    hibernate/sleep functionality; in the systemd announcement Lennart
+</I>&gt;<i>    said he'd explain soon in a blogpost)
+</I>&gt;<i>  - GNOME online accounts 3.5.x at one point will depend on something to
+</I>&gt;<i>    allow you to use the Microsoft Cloud thing (whatever the name is)
+</I>&gt;<i>  - GNOME online accounts can depend on Facebook, but doesn't do by
+</I>&gt;<i>    default. Think I might activate this
+</I>&gt;<i>  - GNOME is adding some kind of initial setup screen, think handled by
+</I>&gt;<i>    GDM. No details yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I got a major concern about the input method in GNOME 3.6+.
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+According to some source from the CJK community here and in China,
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+GNOME3 would default to iBus  since 3.6+ and very hard to change the
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+<PRE>On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 08:17:44PM +0800, Kira wrote:
+&gt;<i> I got a major concern about the input method in GNOME 3.6+.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> According to some source from the CJK community here and in China,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> GNOME3 would default to iBus  since 3.6+ and very hard to change the
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> input method since it's hard-coded. Are we also going to follow this
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> direction?
+</I>
+GNOME seems to go to iBus.
+
+If GNOME chooses something, then of course it'll be that way in Mageia,
+unless work is done. And I'm not a developer, nor the best maintainer..
+
+I'm involved in upstream, so can change direction.
+
+One thing that's lacking is that nothing is clear about what the needs
+are for the input method. The goal is quite simple: it should do what
+you want by default. No configuration, changing, etc, just work by
+default. Only if something is impossible to automatically figure out,
+then add an option. But that's a last resort.
+
+Now, looking from above viewpoint, to make it work by default, it needs
+to be very clear what the needs are. But that bit is totally missing. At
+the moment the only feedback more or less is that &quot;iBus is not good, has
+to be changeable to software YYY and also changeable to software ZZZ&quot;.
+
+Such feedback is handy, but not what is needed when talking with
+developers/GNOME. What they need to know is what you want out of an
+input method. For example: if iBus is not good enough atm, it can be
+changed until it is. Extending the functionality of iBus until it meets
+everyones needs.
+
+I've seen a lot of feedback on <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">desktop-devel-list at gnome.org</A> regarding
+iBus, but the feedback was often focussed on YYY or ZZZ software instead
+of describing what functionality is needed. I haven't followed the
+latest discussion though.
+
+If you don't like iBus, find the <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">desktop-devel-list at gnome.org</A> thread
+(can give pointers if needed), answer the questions that the developers
+have about what you think iBus should do (that it currently does not)
+and give priorities (e.g. cannot use iBus if it doesn't do X, cumbersome
+if doesn't do Y, etc).
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+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1.8.1-2.mga3:
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+<PRE>&#22312; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 20:46:08 +0800, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i> GNOME seems to go to iBus.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If GNOME chooses something, then of course it'll be that way in Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> unless work is done. And I'm not a developer, nor the best maintainer..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm involved in upstream, so can change direction.
+</I>Thanks for your reply.
+
+&gt;<i> I've seen a lot of feedback on <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">desktop-devel-list at gnome.org</A> regarding
+</I>&gt;<i> iBus, but the feedback was often focussed on YYY or ZZZ software instead
+</I>&gt;<i> of describing what functionality is needed. I haven't followed the
+</I>&gt;<i> latest discussion though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you don't like iBus, find the <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">desktop-devel-list at gnome.org</A> thread
+</I>&gt;<i> (can give pointers if needed), answer the questions that the developers
+</I>&gt;<i> have about what you think iBus should do (that it currently does not)
+</I>&gt;<i> and give priorities (e.g. cannot use iBus if it doesn't do X, cumbersome
+</I>&gt;<i> if doesn't do Y, etc).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, I think the main point of arguing about this issue is that most  
+people
+
+is mostly used to other input method and they don't care about iBus...
+
+Still 2 points to be answered especially for Mageia here:
+
+1. In MCC, we can set up the input method in localedrake, and this
+
+setting would be system-wide except GNOME about 3.6+. This should be  
+mentioned,
+
+because it would destroy the unified user experience.
+
+2. For users who want other input method, is there a easy way to do it?
+
+I must remind here: I think most developer in GNOME don't really know the
+
+pain for our CJK user here. Whether iBus or other input method all don't  
+meet
+
+the completeness that most people need. iBus continuously lost the word  
+typed,
+
+Hime/GCIN, and others more don't have easy way to add up other input  
+module, and
+
+scim/oxim... and more are even out of maintenance.
+
+The main point of issue is that we hope to have the freedom and have the  
+input method
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+You guys do a good job, but the decision of easily bundle up a single  
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+previously. I've added some conflicts, so it might be useful when
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+2012/6/4 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 3 June 2012 15:16, fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1.8.1-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 253717
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - versioned obsoletes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ahem:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> installing x11-driver-video-intel-2.19.0-5.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-nv-2.1.18-8.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-s3-0.6.4-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-r128-6.8.2-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-tdfx-1.4.4-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-sis-0.10.4-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-trident-1.3.5-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-savage-2.3.4-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm from
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/tvignaud/mageia/media/core/updates_testing
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed: &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-xfixes0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-render0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-xprint0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-xvmc0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-glx0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-screensaver0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-res0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-shape0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-xevie0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-xv0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-composite0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-record0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-randr0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-xtest0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-dpms0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-sync0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-xf86dri0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-dri2_0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
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+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-xinerama0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-damage0-1.8.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;lib64xcb-util1 = 0.3.9-3.mga3 is needed by
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+<PRE>On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 09:13:53PM +0800, Kira wrote:
+&gt;<i> Well, I think the main point of arguing about this issue is that most
+</I>&gt;<i> people is mostly used to other input method and they don't care about
+</I>&gt;<i> iBus...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Still 2 points to be answered especially for Mageia here:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. In MCC, we can set up the input method in localedrake, and this
+</I>&gt;<i> setting would be system-wide except GNOME about 3.6+. This should be
+</I>&gt;<i> mentioned, because it would destroy the unified user experience.
+</I>
+As said, I don't code. And unified experience I care for GNOME, that it
+works consistently. I care about freedesktop.org standards. I don't care
+for differences between distributions. E.g. MCC is great, but I prefer
+if it didn't exist. MCC is only Mageia/Mandriva, another distro has
+other things, etc.
+I prefer something in gnome-control-center.
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+&gt;<i> 2. For users who want other input method, is there a easy way to do it?
+</I>&gt;<i> I must remind here: I think most developer in GNOME don't really know the
+</I>&gt;<i> pain for our CJK user here. Whether iBus or other input method all
+</I>&gt;<i> don't meet the completeness that most people need. iBus continuously
+</I>&gt;<i> lost the word typed, Hime/GCIN, and others more don't have easy way to
+</I>&gt;<i> add up other input module, and scim/oxim... and more are even out of
+</I>&gt;<i> maintenance.
+</I>
+iBus losing words sounds like something fixable.  Fairly strange that it
+does that though.
+
+And that most developers don't know much about CJK, agreed. That's why
+it is important to figure it out. I even have less of a grasp, as not a
+coder/developer.
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+&gt;<i> The main point of issue is that we hope to have the freedom and have
+</I>&gt;<i> the input method that fit each other's need( There's at least 10+
+</I>&gt;<i> input modules exist), and the way GNOME implement the unified input
+</I>&gt;<i> method had very bad impression for us.
+</I>
+GNOME is not about being able to change loads of things since
+development of 2.0 began. You say you need the freedom to ensure the
+input method does what you want.
+
+So why not ensure the default input method does what you want?
+
+I get the impression that each time a new input method is abandoned,
+some new project is started, gets abandoned again, etc. Resulting in a
+wish for the ability to always being able to change the input method.
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+&gt;<i> You guys do a good job, but the decision of easily bundle up a single
+</I>&gt;<i> input method is really a bad idea, because not all people want to
+</I>&gt;<i> contribute to iBus project, and they already have effort on other
+</I>&gt;<i> input methods.
+</I>
+Of course there are developers involved in other input methods. But
+not doing something because they might get offended.. this is not really
+how a decision would be taken. Focus is on what gives a nice experience.
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 09:13:53PM +0800, Kira wrote:
+</I>I hope this won't get some misunderstanding between you and me,
+
+since there's some obvious different viewpoint. :)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> 1. In MCC, we can set up the input method in localedrake, and this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> setting would be system-wide except GNOME about 3.6+. This should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mentioned, because it would destroy the unified user experience.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As said, I don't code. And unified experience I care for GNOME, that it
+</I>&gt;<i> works consistently. I care about freedesktop.org standards. I don't care
+</I>&gt;<i> for differences between distributions. E.g. MCC is great, but I prefer
+</I>&gt;<i> if it didn't exist. MCC is only Mageia/Mandriva, another distro has
+</I>&gt;<i> other things, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> I prefer something in gnome-control-center.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, I think this should be proposed to more upper level...
+
+Because this affect the Mageia distribution, though.
+
+I believe Mageia still keeps the faith to achieve better unified
+
+user experience than other distribution.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> 2. For users who want other input method, is there a easy way to do it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I must remind here: I think most developer in GNOME don't really know  
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pain for our CJK user here. Whether iBus or other input method all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't meet the completeness that most people need. iBus continuously
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lost the word typed, Hime/GCIN, and others more don't have easy way to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> add up other input module, and scim/oxim... and more are even out of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintenance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> iBus losing words sounds like something fixable.  Fairly strange that it
+</I>&gt;<i> does that though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And that most developers don't know much about CJK, agreed. That's why
+</I>&gt;<i> it is important to figure it out. I even have less of a grasp, as not a
+</I>&gt;<i> coder/developer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Here I just want to point out the problem of each input method existed...
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> The main point of issue is that we hope to have the freedom and have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the input method that fit each other's need( There's at least 10+
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> input modules exist), and the way GNOME implement the unified input
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> method had very bad impression for us.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> GNOME is not about being able to change loads of things since
+</I>&gt;<i> development of 2.0 began. You say you need the freedom to ensure the
+</I>&gt;<i> input method does what you want.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So why not ensure the default input method does what you want?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I get the impression that each time a new input method is abandoned,
+</I>&gt;<i> some new project is started, gets abandoned again, etc. Resulting in a
+</I>&gt;<i> wish for the ability to always being able to change the input method.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>So that's the problem of hard code iBus as the main player. SCIM had been
+
+once the major input method in major distribution, but ever since it's
+
+out of maintenance, iBus kicks in and gradually take the major for  
+&quot;global&quot;.
+
+But that's not the case here in Taiwan or in China. We got about 50-50 in
+
+Hime/GCIN vs iBus as far as I know, and most people would like fcitx in  
+China.
+
+Sure you could force people to use iBus instead, but that really bad  
+impression
+
+and does no good to others since Hime/GCIN/fcitx works great and many  
+efforts are
+
+put into them, and these effort can't be transplant to iBus since they  
+works differently.
+
+The problem of selecting single input method is that: what if, iBus dies,
+
+then GNOME would have to rewrite the whole structure, or GNOME would jump
+
+in and make sure it won't die? Isn't it better to do it like KDE or other  
+DE
+
+to have the possibility of choosing?
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> You guys do a good job, but the decision of easily bundle up a single
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> input method is really a bad idea, because not all people want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contribute to iBus project, and they already have effort on other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> input methods.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course there are developers involved in other input methods. But
+</I>&gt;<i> not doing something because they might get offended.. this is not really
+</I>&gt;<i> how a decision would be taken. Focus is on what gives a nice experience.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, I think the point is this decision won't brought nice experience to  
+CJK users, or even more.
+
+I know you are not the decision maker, but I hope, at least here,
+
+we could find a way to do better, not just follow the upstream.
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+&gt;<i> Waiting for you to test on more real HW...
+</I>&gt;<i> Remember to enable both core/updates_testing &amp; nonfree/updates_testing
+</I>Running on Nvidia's GTS 250 with nonfree driver - so long no obvious problems.
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+<PRE>On Sunday, 3 June 2012 17:52:47 Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> On the whole, this kind of &quot;security&quot; is basically bullshit anyway.
+</I>
+You can't make that assessment without understanding the rest of the security 
+environment.
+
+&gt;<i> It
+</I>&gt;<i> might make things a tiny bit harder, but if you can get into the
+</I>&gt;<i> bootloader to append a 1 on the command line,
+</I>
+Maybe you *can't* append anything you like to the command-line. Maybe the 
+bootloader configuration has a 'boot single' option, which should require 
+entry of the root password to access the system.
+
+&gt;<i> you can also append
+</I>&gt;<i> init=/bin/bash too which totally bypasses everything too.
+</I>
+Not if the bootloader configuration is password protected (IOW, you can boot 
+any configured option, but if you want to modify anything, you need to provide 
+a password, different from the root password).
+
+&gt;<i> So while it's
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe a nice idea, for all practical purposes, it's not any kind of real
+</I>&gt;<i> security anyway, so don't rely on it!
+</I>
+No security implementation relies on a single control being in place. A numebr 
+of modern security best practices have thousands of controls, and the 
+requirement for a password to be entered to boot single is almost always one 
+of them, and a requirement for a bootloader password is usually another.
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+&gt;<i> On 4 June 2012 16:49, Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Waiting for you to test on more real HW...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Remember to enable both core/updates_testing &amp; nonfree/updates_testing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Running on Nvidia's GTS 250 with nonfree driver - so long no obvious problems.
+</I>&gt;<i> Using nouveau or nvidia?
+</I>Is nouveau also nonfree? Anyway, nvidia's own driver.
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+    <B>Marcello</B> 
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+i've written some proposals for Mageia 3. Is there anyone who wants to 
+adopt them?
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE</A>
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CreateHibridISO">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CreateHibridISO</A>
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots</A>
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware</A>
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To</A>
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+Cheers,
+Marcello
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+PS= Feel free to comment them in this thread
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i've written some proposals for Mageia 3. Is there anyone who wants to
+</I>&gt;<i> adopt them?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CreateHibridISO">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CreateHibridISO</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This point will be discussed in a larger way to rethink the number of 
+isos and it's content as we have for now too many isos
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+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 09:13:53PM +0800, Kira wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, I think the main point of arguing about this issue is that most
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people is mostly used to other input method and they don't care about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> iBus...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Still 2 points to be answered especially for Mageia here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. In MCC, we can set up the input method in localedrake, and this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> setting would be system-wide except GNOME about 3.6+. This should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mentioned, because it would destroy the unified user experience.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As said, I don't code. And unified experience I care for GNOME, that it
+</I>&gt;<i> works consistently. I care about freedesktop.org standards. I don't care
+</I>&gt;<i> for differences between distributions. E.g. MCC is great, but I prefer
+</I>&gt;<i> if it didn't exist. MCC is only Mageia/Mandriva, another distro has
+</I>&gt;<i> other things, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> I prefer something in gnome-control-center.
+</I>
+And here we have the main point, the difference between Gnome and
+everybody else.
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+Gnome is a mere desktop environment, nothing more and nothing less. Period.
+And it is not the only desktop environment nor the only way a user can
+use the desktop. So the gnome-control-center must restrict itself to
+settings which concern Gnome,  nothing else. Same as the KDE
+control-center should do.
+
+Very simple and easy to understand reason: Not everbody uses Gnome or
+KDE. If system settings will be done by Gnome and KDE control-centers,
+we'd still need yet another &quot;setting-center&quot; for  people who do not
+use Gnome nor KDE. Simple logic that such a diversity makes no sense
+at all.
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+It would only make sense if Gnome was a Linux system of its own. Which
+it is clearly not.
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+&gt;<i> updated status:
+</I>
+updated status:
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+- major driver that were tested and works OK:
+ o video: fbdev intel nvidia radeon vesa
+ o input: wacom evdev mouse keyboard
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+- major driver that need being tested:
+ o video: fglrx nouveau
+ o input: synaptics
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+- minor driver that would be nice to test:
+ o video: openchrome sis vmware
+ o input: vmmouse
+
+The following drivers still fail to rebuild:
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+- virtualbox
+- x11-driver-video-sisimedia
+- x11-driver-video-sisusb
+- x11-driver-video-xgi
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+The only other driver we miss is virtualbox which fails to compile:
+/usr/include/xorg/os.h:496:25: error: expected identifier or '('
+before '__extension__'
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+Waiting for you to test on more real HW...
+Mainly : fglrx nouveau &amp; synaptics
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+    <B>Hugo Pereira Da Costa</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 3 June 2012 12:21,&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> really use oxygen theme
+</I>&gt;<i> (...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/list.xml	2012-06-03 07:45:29 UTC
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (rev 4788)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/list.xml	2012-06-03 10:21:12 UTC
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (rev 4789)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -186,7 +186,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     /etc/pango/ARCH/pango.modules
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     /usr/LIB/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     /usr/LIB/gtk-2.0/*/immodules/im-cedilla.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -  /usr/LIB/gtk-2.0/*/engines/libia_ora.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +  /usr/LIB/gtk-2.0/*/engines/liboxygen-gtk.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     /usr/share/mime/mime.cache
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     /usr/lib/libDrakX/keyboard.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> (...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not against this since:
+</I>&gt;<i> - Ia Ora is unmainted
+</I>&gt;<i> - Oxygen is our default theme
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, since installer runs with fbdev in 16 mode, it's a little ugly.
+</I>&gt;<i> Also we need to change the background as the greys &quot;collide&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> See attached screen-shots (and compare new5.png against old.png)
+</I>Hi Thierry, others
+
+thanks for the screenshots.
+I can probably help with the background inconsistency you mention. It is 
+due to default window background &quot;gradient&quot; in oxygen.
+the help I can provide: either provide a &quot;gradient&quot; to the background 
+used behind (though might not be trivial)
+or provide hook to disable the gradient in the window content (that 
+should be easy).
+I'll probably need help on how to test these things and where to send 
+possible patches.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Hugo (oxygen dev)
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+<PRE>On 4 June 2012 19:01, Hugo Pereira Da Costa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">hugo at oxygen-icons.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> However, since installer runs with fbdev in 16 mode, it's a little ugly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also we need to change the background as the greys &quot;collide&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> See attached screen-shots (and compare new5.png against old.png)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Thierry, others
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks for the screenshots.
+</I>&gt;<i> I can probably help with the background inconsistency you mention. It is due
+</I>&gt;<i> to default window background &quot;gradient&quot; in oxygen.
+</I>&gt;<i> the help I can provide: either provide a &quot;gradient&quot; to the background used
+</I>&gt;<i> behind (though might not be trivial)
+</I>
+We currently set some gray to the background window:
+See background in
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/share/themes-galaxy.rc?revision=4041&amp;view=markup&amp;sortby=date">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/share/themes-galaxy.rc?revision=4041&amp;view=markup&amp;sortby=date</A>
+
+But the issues with gradients on 16bit is the bad dithering as shown
+by the foreground dialog.
+(see screenshots)
+
+&gt;<i> or provide hook to disable the gradient in the window content (that should
+</I>&gt;<i> be easy).
+</I>
+Ready to test :-)
+
+&gt;<i> I'll probably need help on how to test these things
+</I>
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks#modifying_the_stage2">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks#modifying_the_stage2</A>
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks#drakx-in-chroot">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks#drakx-in-chroot</A>
+
+You can test drakx-in-chroot by running:
+drakx-in-chroot /path/to/your/mirror /dir/where/you/want/to/install
+
+eg:
+
+drakx-in-chroot /mageia/unstable/x86_64 /my_chroot/
+
+Though quite a lot less used, I added support for remote repo:
+
+drakx-in-chroot <A HREF="http://my_mirror/mageia">http://my_mirror/mageia</A>  /my/chroot
+
+Buf for theming, I think you'll need to alter the mdkinst.sqfs (the
+stage2 of the installer).
+Best is to mirror the distro, then go into install/stage2:
+
+unsquashfs mdkinst.sqfs
+#alter squashfs-root/*
+mksquashfs squashfs-root/ mdkinst.sqfs.
+
+test using a virtual maching booting on boot.iso (from install/images/boot.iso)
+which is the stage1 of the installer, that will load stage2
+
+&gt;<i> and where to send possible patches.
+</I>
+To me :-)
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+<PRE>On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/4 Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 09:13:53PM +0800, Kira wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Well, I think the main point of arguing about this issue is that most
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; people is mostly used to other input method and they don't care about
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; iBus...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Still 2 points to be answered especially for Mageia here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1. In MCC, we can set up the input method in localedrake, and this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; setting would be system-wide except GNOME about 3.6+. This should be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mentioned, because it would destroy the unified user experience.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As said, I don't code. And unified experience I care for GNOME, that it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; works consistently. I care about freedesktop.org standards. I don't care
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for differences between distributions. E.g. MCC is great, but I prefer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if it didn't exist. MCC is only Mageia/Mandriva, another distro has
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; other things, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I prefer something in gnome-control-center.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And here we have the main point, the difference between Gnome and
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody else.
+</I>
+I'm not interested into turning this into an us vs them thread.
+
+&gt;<i> Gnome is a mere desktop environment, nothing more and nothing less. Period.
+</I>&gt;<i> And it is not the only desktop environment nor the only way a user can
+</I>&gt;<i> use the desktop. So the gnome-control-center must restrict itself to
+</I>&gt;<i> settings which concern Gnome,  nothing else. Same as the KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> control-center should do.
+</I>
+- Please change your wording. You have zero say in what goes on at
+  gnome.org, nor about me. If you start by telling me what I must and
+  must not do, it is better to not respond.
+- I clearly stated freedesktop.org standards
+- Maybe to clarify my point: When using GNOME, there should not be any
+  need to resort to a distro specific configuration tool. E.g. xorg
+  should be setup automatically, not require any distro assistance. It
+  is long term and difficult.
+
+&gt;<i> Very simple and easy to understand reason: Not everbody uses Gnome or
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE. If system settings will be done by Gnome and KDE control-centers,
+</I>&gt;<i> we'd still need yet another &quot;setting-center&quot; for  people who do not
+</I>&gt;<i> use Gnome nor KDE. Simple logic that such a diversity makes no sense
+</I>&gt;<i> at all.
+</I>
+You clearly care about MCC, cool. But respect other people's opinion.
+I'd like to clarify more, but IMO, the mention freedesktop.org standard
+should be clear enough.
+
+&gt;<i> It would only make sense if Gnome was a Linux system of its own. Which
+</I>&gt;<i> it is clearly not.
+</I>
+You're assuming things I did not state. Such as that there is nothing
+outside of GNOME, etc.
+
+To make clear: I think it is stupid that various distributions have
+their own specific configuration tools. That should be shared across
+distributions.
+Secondly, I think you should be able to do everything from within System
+Settings.
+
+Two different points, not one.
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:08:27AM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> x11-server-1.12 and rebuild drivers are in */update_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> Please test.
+</I>
+1. It starts, no issues yet :P
+2. It shows the text that didn't show in Firefox 13! (with latest cairo,
+   didn't downgrade)
+3. See attached for full logfile
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+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
+-------------- next part --------------
+[ 71177.982] 
+X.Org X Server 1.12.2
+Release Date: 2012-05-29
+[ 71177.982] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
+[ 71177.982] Build Operating System: Linux_2.6.38.8-server-10.mga Mageia
+[ 71177.982] Current Operating System: Linux bkor.dhs.org 3.4.1-desktop-0.rc1.1.mga3 #1 SMP Mon May 28 06:43:04 UTC 2012 x86_64
+[ 71177.982] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=79c50886-b236-44bf-81c3-d5f9bff8c188 splash quiet init=/bin/systemd vga=788
+[ 71177.982] Build Date: 31 May 2012  06:15:54PM
+[ 71177.982]  
+[ 71177.982] Current version of pixman: 0.26.0
+[ 71177.982] 	Before reporting problems, check <A HREF="http://bugs.mageia.org">http://bugs.mageia.org</A>
+	to make sure that you have the latest version.
+[ 71177.982] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
+	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
+	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
+[ 71177.982] (==) Log file: &quot;/var/log/Xorg.0.log&quot;, Time: Mon Jun  4 19:43:48 2012
+[ 71177.993] (==) Using config file: &quot;/etc/X11/xorg.conf&quot;
+[ 71177.993] (==) Using system config directory &quot;/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d&quot;
+[ 71177.997] (==) ServerLayout &quot;layout1&quot;
+[ 71177.997] (**) |--&gt;Screen &quot;screen1&quot; (0)
+[ 71177.997] (**) |   |--&gt;Monitor &quot;monitor1&quot;
+[ 71177.997] (**) |   |--&gt;Device &quot;device1&quot;
+[ 71177.997] (**) Option &quot;DontZap&quot; &quot;False&quot;
+[ 71177.997] (**) Option &quot;AllowMouseOpenFail&quot;
+[ 71177.997] (==) Automatically adding devices
+[ 71177.997] (==) Automatically enabling devices
+[ 71177.997] (==) FontPath set to:
+	catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d
+[ 71177.997] (==) ModulePath set to &quot;/usr/lib64/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib64/xorg/modules&quot;
+[ 71177.997] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
+	If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
+[ 71177.997] (II) Loader magic: 0x7d4b00
+[ 71177.997] (II) Module ABI versions:
+[ 71177.997] 	X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
+[ 71177.997] 	X.Org Video Driver: 12.0
+[ 71177.997] 	X.Org XInput driver : 16.0
+[ 71177.997] 	X.Org Server Extension : 6.0
+[ 71177.998] (--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 10de:0402:1458:3452 rev 161, Mem @ 0xf6000000/16777216, 0xe0000000/268435456, 0xf4000000/33554432, I/O @ 0x0000b000/128, BIOS @ 0x????????/131072
+[ 71177.998] (WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such file or directory)
+[ 71177.998] (II) &quot;extmod&quot; will be loaded by default.
+[ 71177.998] (II) &quot;dbe&quot; will be loaded by default.
+[ 71177.998] (II) &quot;glx&quot; will be loaded by default.
+[ 71177.998] (II) &quot;record&quot; will be loaded by default.
+[ 71177.998] (II) &quot;dri&quot; will be loaded by default.
+[ 71177.998] (II) &quot;dri2&quot; will be loaded by default.
+[ 71177.998] (II) LoadModule: &quot;v4l&quot;
+[ 71178.014] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/v4l_drv.so
+[ 71178.014] (II) Module v4l: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;
+[ 71178.014] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 0.1.1
+[ 71178.014] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 12.0
+[ 71178.014] (II) LoadModule: &quot;extmod&quot;
+[ 71178.014] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
+[ 71178.014] (II) Module extmod: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;
+[ 71178.014] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.0.0
+[ 71178.014] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[ 71178.014] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[ 71178.014] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
+[ 71178.014] (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
+[ 71178.014] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
+[ 71178.014] (II) Loading extension DPMS
+[ 71178.014] (II) Loading extension XVideo
+[ 71178.014] (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
+[ 71178.014] (II) Loading extension X-Resource
+[ 71178.014] (II) LoadModule: &quot;dbe&quot;
+[ 71178.014] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so
+[ 71178.014] (II) Module dbe: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;
+[ 71178.014] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.0.0
+[ 71178.014] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[ 71178.014] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[ 71178.014] (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
+[ 71178.014] (II) LoadModule: &quot;glx&quot;
+[ 71178.014] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
+[ 71178.014] (II) Module glx: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;
+[ 71178.014] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.0.0
+[ 71178.014] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[ 71178.014] (==) AIGLX enabled
+[ 71178.014] (II) Loading extension GLX
+[ 71178.014] (II) LoadModule: &quot;record&quot;
+[ 71178.015] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so
+[ 71178.015] (II) Module record: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;
+[ 71178.015] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.13.0
+[ 71178.015] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[ 71178.015] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[ 71178.015] (II) Loading extension RECORD
+[ 71178.015] (II) LoadModule: &quot;dri&quot;
+[ 71178.015] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
+[ 71178.015] (II) Module dri: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;
+[ 71178.015] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.0.0
+[ 71178.015] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[ 71178.015] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
+[ 71178.015] (II) LoadModule: &quot;dri2&quot;
+[ 71178.015] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
+[ 71178.015] (II) Module dri2: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;
+[ 71178.015] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.2.0
+[ 71178.015] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[ 71178.015] (II) Loading extension DRI2
+[ 71178.015] (II) LoadModule: &quot;nouveau&quot;
+[ 71178.015] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so
+[ 71178.029] (II) Module nouveau: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;
+[ 71178.029] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 0.0.16
+[ 71178.029] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
+[ 71178.029] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 12.0
+[ 71178.029] (II) v4l driver for Video4Linux
+[ 71178.029] (II) NOUVEAU driver 
+[ 71178.029] (II) NOUVEAU driver for NVIDIA chipset families :
+[ 71178.029] 	RIVA TNT        (NV04)
+[ 71178.029] 	RIVA TNT2       (NV05)
+[ 71178.029] 	GeForce 256     (NV10)
+[ 71178.029] 	GeForce 2       (NV11, NV15)
+[ 71178.029] 	GeForce 4MX     (NV17, NV18)
+[ 71178.029] 	GeForce 3       (NV20)
+[ 71178.029] 	GeForce 4Ti     (NV25, NV28)
+[ 71178.029] 	GeForce FX      (NV3x)
+[ 71178.029] 	GeForce 6       (NV4x)
+[ 71178.029] 	GeForce 7       (G7x)
+[ 71178.030] 	GeForce 8       (G8x)
+[ 71178.030] 	GeForce GTX 200 (NVA0)
+[ 71178.030] 	GeForce GTX 400 (NVC0)
+[ 71178.030] (--) using VT number 2
+
+[ 71178.032] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for v4l
+[ 71178.032] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[ 71178.032] drmOpenDevice: open result is 7, (OK)
+[ 71178.032] drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:01:00.0
+[ 71178.032] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[ 71178.032] drmOpenDevice: open result is 7, (OK)
+[ 71178.032] drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 7
+[ 71178.032] drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci:0000:01:00.0
+[ 71178.032] (II) [drm] nouveau interface version: 1.0.0
+[ 71178.032] (II) Loading sub module &quot;dri&quot;
+[ 71178.032] (II) LoadModule: &quot;dri&quot;
+[ 71178.032] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
+[ 71178.032] (II) Module dri: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;
+[ 71178.032] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.0.0
+[ 71178.032] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[ 71178.032] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Loaded DRI module
+[ 71178.032] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[ 71178.032] drmOpenDevice: open result is 8, (OK)
+[ 71178.032] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[ 71178.032] drmOpenDevice: open result is 8, (OK)
+[ 71178.032] drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:01:00.0
+[ 71178.032] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[ 71178.032] drmOpenDevice: open result is 8, (OK)
+[ 71178.032] drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 8
+[ 71178.032] drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci:0000:01:00.0
+[ 71178.032] (II) [drm] DRM interface version 1.4
+[ 71178.032] (II) [drm] DRM open master succeeded.
+[ 71178.032] (--) NOUVEAU(0): Chipset: &quot;NVIDIA NV84&quot;
+[ 71178.032] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section
+	&quot;screen1&quot; for depth/fbbpp 24/32
+[ 71178.032] (==) NOUVEAU(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
+[ 71178.032] (==) NOUVEAU(0): RGB weight 888
+[ 71178.032] (==) NOUVEAU(0): Default visual is TrueColor
+[ 71178.032] (==) NOUVEAU(0): Using HW cursor
+[ 71178.032] (==) NOUVEAU(0): GLX sync to VBlank disabled.
+[ 71178.032] (==) NOUVEAU(0): Page flipping enabled
+[ 71178.032] (==) NOUVEAU(0): Swap limit set to 2 [Max allowed 2]
+[ 71178.077] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Output DVI-I-1 using monitor section monitor1
+[ 71178.171] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Output DVI-I-2 has no monitor section
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): EDID for output DVI-I-1
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Manufacturer: DEL  Model: a010  Serial#: 808531283
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Year: 2005  Week: 29
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): EDID Version: 1.3
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Digital Display Input
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 52  vert.: 33
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Gamma: 2.20
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 YCrCb 4:4:4 
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Default color space is primary color space
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): redX: 0.640 redY: 0.330   greenX: 0.300 greenY: 0.607
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): blueX: 0.149 blueY: 0.060   whiteX: 0.312 whiteY: 0.328
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Supported established timings:
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">720x400 at 70Hz</A>
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">640x480 at 60Hz</A>
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">640x480 at 75Hz</A>
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">800x600 at 60Hz</A>
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">800x600 at 75Hz</A>
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">1024x768 at 60Hz</A>
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">1024x768 at 75Hz</A>
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">1280x1024 at 75Hz</A>
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Supported standard timings:
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #0: hsize: 1280  vsize 1024  refresh: 60  vid: 32897
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #1: hsize: 1600  vsize 1200  refresh: 60  vid: 16553
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #2: hsize: 1152  vsize 864  refresh: 75  vid: 20337
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #3: hsize: 1680  vsize 1050  refresh: 60  vid: 179
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Supported detailed timing:
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): clock: 154.0 MHz   Image Size:  519 x 324 mm
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): h_active: 1920  h_sync: 1968  h_sync_end 2000 h_blank_end 2080 h_border: 0
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): v_active: 1200  v_sync: 1203  v_sync_end 1209 v_blanking: 1235 v_border: 0
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Serial No: M675457F015S
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Monitor name: DELL 2405FPW
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Ranges: V min: 56 V max: 76 Hz, H min: 30 H max: 81 kHz, PixClock max 175 MHz
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): EDID (in hex):
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 	00ffffffffffff0010ac10a053353130
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 	1d0f010380342178eeee50a3544c9b26
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 	0f5054a54b008180a940714fb3000101
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 	010101010101283c80a070b023403020
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 	360007442100001a000000ff004d3637
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 	35343537463031355320000000fc0044
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 	454c4c20323430354650570a000000fd
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): 	00384c1e5111000a2020202020200042
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): EDID vendor &quot;DEL&quot;, prod id 40976
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Using hsync ranges from config file
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1920x1200&quot;x0.0  154.00  1920 1968 2000 2080  1200 1203 1209 1235 +hsync -vsync (74.0 kHz eP)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;800x600&quot;x0.0   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;640x480&quot;x0.0   31.50  640 656 720 840  480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;640x480&quot;x0.0   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;720x400&quot;x0.0   28.32  720 738 846 900  400 412 414 449 -hsync +vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1280x1024&quot;x0.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1024x768&quot;x0.0   78.75  1024 1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1024x768&quot;x0.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;800x600&quot;x0.0   49.50  800 816 896 1056  600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1280x1024&quot;x0.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1600x1200&quot;x0.0  162.00  1600 1664 1856 2160  1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync (75.0 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1152x864&quot;x0.0  108.00  1152 1216 1344 1600  864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1680x1050&quot;x0.0  119.00  1680 1728 1760 1840  1050 1053 1059 1080 +hsync -vsync (64.7 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Not using mode &quot;768x576&quot; (vrefresh out of range)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Not using mode &quot;768x576&quot; (vrefresh out of range)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Printing probed modes for output DVI-I-1
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1920x1200&quot;x60.0  154.00  1920 1968 2000 2080  1200 1203 1209 1235 +hsync -vsync (74.0 kHz eP)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1920x1200&quot;x60.0  154.00  1920 1968 2000 2080  1200 1203 1209 1235 -hsync +vsync (74.0 kHz)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1600x1200&quot;x60.0  162.00  1600 1664 1856 2160  1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync (75.0 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1680x1050&quot;x60.0  146.25  1680 1784 1960 2240  1050 1053 1059 1089 -hsync +vsync (65.3 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1280x1024&quot;x75.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1280x1024&quot;x60.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1152x864&quot;x75.0  108.00  1152 1216 1344 1600  864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1024x768&quot;x75.1   78.80  1024 1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.1 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1024x768&quot;x60.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;800x600&quot;x75.0   49.50  800 816 896 1056  600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;800x600&quot;x60.3   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;640x480&quot;x75.0   31.50  640 656 720 840  480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;640x480&quot;x60.0   25.20  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[ 71178.200] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;720x400&quot;x70.1   28.32  720 738 846 900  400 412 414 449 -hsync +vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[ 71178.294] (II) NOUVEAU(0): EDID for output DVI-I-2
+[ 71178.294] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Output DVI-I-1 connected
+[ 71178.294] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Output DVI-I-2 disconnected
+[ 71178.294] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Using exact sizes for initial modes
+[ 71178.294] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Output DVI-I-1 using initial mode 1920x1200
+[ 71178.294] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Using default gamma of (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) unless otherwise stated.
+[ 71178.294] (--) NOUVEAU(0): Virtual size is 1920x1200 (pitch 0)
+[ 71178.295] (**) NOUVEAU(0):  Driver mode &quot;1920x1200&quot;: 154.0 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 74.0 kHz, 60.0 Hz
+[ 71178.295] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1920x1200&quot;x60.0  154.00  1920 1968 2000 2080  1200 1203 1209 1235 +hsync -vsync (74.0 kHz eP)
+[ 71178.295] (**) NOUVEAU(0):  Mode &quot;1920x1200&quot;: 154.0 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 74.0 kHz, 60.0 Hz
+[ 71178.295] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1920x1200&quot;x60.0  154.00  1920 1968 2000 2080  1200 1203 1209 1235 -hsync +vsync (74.0 kHz)
+[ 71178.295] (**) NOUVEAU(0):  Driver mode &quot;1600x1200&quot;: 162.0 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 75.0 kHz, 60.0 Hz
+[ 71178.295] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1600x1200&quot;x60.0  162.00  1600 1664 1856 2160  1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync (75.0 kHz e)
+[ 71178.295] (**) NOUVEAU(0):  Driver mode &quot;1680x1050&quot;: 146.2 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 65.3 kHz, 60.0 Hz
+[ 71178.295] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1680x1050&quot;x60.0  146.25  1680 1784 1960 2240  1050 1053 1059 1089 -hsync +vsync (65.3 kHz e)
+[ 71178.295] (**) NOUVEAU(0):  Driver mode &quot;1280x1024&quot;: 135.0 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 80.0 kHz, 75.0 Hz
+[ 71178.295] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1280x1024&quot;x75.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz e)
+[ 71178.295] (**) NOUVEAU(0):  Driver mode &quot;1280x1024&quot;: 108.0 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 64.0 kHz, 60.0 Hz
+[ 71178.295] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1280x1024&quot;x60.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz e)
+[ 71178.295] (**) NOUVEAU(0):  Driver mode &quot;1152x864&quot;: 108.0 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 67.5 kHz, 75.0 Hz
+[ 71178.295] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1152x864&quot;x75.0  108.00  1152 1216 1344 1600  864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz e)
+[ 71178.295] (**) NOUVEAU(0):  Driver mode &quot;1024x768&quot;: 78.8 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 60.1 kHz, 75.1 Hz
+[ 71178.295] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1024x768&quot;x75.1   78.80  1024 1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.1 kHz e)
+[ 71178.295] (**) NOUVEAU(0):  Driver mode &quot;1024x768&quot;: 65.0 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 48.4 kHz, 60.0 Hz
+[ 71178.295] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1024x768&quot;x60.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz e)
+[ 71178.295] (**) NOUVEAU(0):  Driver mode &quot;800x600&quot;: 49.5 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 46.9 kHz, 75.0 Hz
+[ 71178.295] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;800x600&quot;x75.0   49.50  800 816 896 1056  600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz e)
+[ 71178.295] (**) NOUVEAU(0):  Driver mode &quot;800x600&quot;: 40.0 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 37.9 kHz, 60.3 Hz
+[ 71178.295] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;800x600&quot;x60.3   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz e)
+[ 71178.295] (**) NOUVEAU(0):  Driver mode &quot;640x480&quot;: 31.5 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 37.5 kHz, 75.0 Hz
+[ 71178.295] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;640x480&quot;x75.0   31.50  640 656 720 840  480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz e)
+[ 71178.295] (**) NOUVEAU(0):  Driver mode &quot;640x480&quot;: 25.2 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 31.5 kHz, 60.0 Hz
+[ 71178.295] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;640x480&quot;x60.0   25.20  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[ 71178.295] (**) NOUVEAU(0):  Driver mode &quot;720x400&quot;: 28.3 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 31.5 kHz, 70.1 Hz
+[ 71178.295] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;720x400&quot;x70.1   28.32  720 738 846 900  400 412 414 449 -hsync +vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[ 71178.295] (**) NOUVEAU(0): Display dimensions: (520, 330) mm
+[ 71178.295] (**) NOUVEAU(0): DPI set to (93, 92)
+[ 71178.295] (II) Loading sub module &quot;fb&quot;
+[ 71178.295] (II) LoadModule: &quot;fb&quot;
+[ 71178.295] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libfb.so
+[ 71178.295] (II) Module fb: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;
+[ 71178.295] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.0.0
+[ 71178.295] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
+[ 71178.295] (II) Loading sub module &quot;exa&quot;
+[ 71178.295] (II) LoadModule: &quot;exa&quot;
+[ 71178.296] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libexa.so
+[ 71178.296] (II) Module exa: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;
+[ 71178.296] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 2.5.0
+[ 71178.296] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 12.0
+[ 71178.296] (II) Loading sub module &quot;shadowfb&quot;
+[ 71178.296] (II) LoadModule: &quot;shadowfb&quot;
+[ 71178.296] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libshadowfb.so
+[ 71178.296] (II) Module shadowfb: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;
+[ 71178.296] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.0.0
+[ 71178.296] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
+[ 71178.296] (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
+[ 71178.297] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Opened GPU channel 2
+[ 71178.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): [DRI2] Setup complete
+[ 71178.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): [DRI2]   DRI driver: nouveau
+[ 71178.303] (II) NOUVEAU(0): [DRI2]   VDPAU driver: nouveau
+[ 71178.304] (II) NOUVEAU(0): GART: 512MiB available
+[ 71178.310] (II) NOUVEAU(0): GART: Allocated 16MiB as a scratch buffer
+[ 71178.310] (II) EXA(0): Driver allocated offscreen pixmaps
+[ 71178.310] (II) EXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
+[ 71178.310] (II)         Solid
+[ 71178.310] (II)         Copy
+[ 71178.310] (II)         Composite (RENDER acceleration)
+[ 71178.310] (II)         UploadToScreen
+[ 71178.310] (II)         DownloadFromScreen
+[ 71178.310] (==) NOUVEAU(0): Backing store disabled
+[ 71178.310] (==) NOUVEAU(0): Silken mouse enabled
+[ 71178.310] (II) NOUVEAU(0): [XvMC] Associated with Nouveau GeForce 8/9 Textured Video.
+[ 71178.310] (II) NOUVEAU(0): [XvMC] Extension initialized.
+[ 71178.311] (**) NOUVEAU(0): DPMS enabled
+[ 71178.311] (II) NOUVEAU(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message.
+[ 71178.311] (--) RandR disabled
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
+[ 71178.311] (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
+[ 71178.715] (EE) AIGLX error: Calling driver entry point failed
+[ 71178.715] (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
+[ 71178.715] (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
+[ 71178.794] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized swrast
+[ 71178.794] (II) GLX: Initialized DRISWRAST GL provider for screen 0
+[ 71178.796] (II) NOUVEAU(0): NVEnterVT is called.
+[ 71178.806] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Setting screen physical size to 508 x 317
+[ 71178.806] resize called 1920 1200
+[ 71179.045] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-8AA988DD479FAABEC4FC3CCCF4CC29B4948840B4.xkm
+[ 71179.220] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event2)
+[ 71179.220] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass &quot;evdev keyboard catchall&quot;
+[ 71179.220] (II) LoadModule: &quot;evdev&quot;
+[ 71179.220] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[ 71179.220] (II) Module evdev: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;
+[ 71179.220] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 2.7.0
+[ 71179.220] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[ 71179.220] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 16.0
+[ 71179.220] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[ 71179.220] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[ 71179.220] (**) evdev: Power Button: Device: &quot;/dev/input/event2&quot;
+[ 71179.220] (--) evdev: Power Button: Vendor 0 Product 0x1
+[ 71179.220] (--) evdev: Power Button: Found keys
+[ 71179.220] (II) evdev: Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[ 71179.220] (**) Option &quot;config_info&quot; &quot;udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input2/event2&quot;
+[ 71179.220] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device &quot;Power Button&quot; (type: KEYBOARD, id 6)
+[ 71179.220] (**) Option &quot;xkb_rules&quot; &quot;evdev&quot;
+[ 71179.220] (**) Option &quot;xkb_model&quot; &quot;logii350&quot;
+[ 71179.220] (**) Option &quot;xkb_layout&quot; &quot;us&quot;
+[ 71179.220] (**) Option &quot;xkb_options&quot; &quot;compose:rwin&quot;
+[ 71179.223] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-B8CB22B6C8BBA9B16F37BB0B7158E5AC191B6A35.xkm
+[ 71179.256] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event1)
+[ 71179.256] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass &quot;evdev keyboard catchall&quot;
+[ 71179.256] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[ 71179.256] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[ 71179.256] (**) evdev: Power Button: Device: &quot;/dev/input/event1&quot;
+[ 71179.256] (--) evdev: Power Button: Vendor 0 Product 0x1
+[ 71179.256] (--) evdev: Power Button: Found keys
+[ 71179.256] (II) evdev: Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[ 71179.256] (**) Option &quot;config_info&quot; &quot;udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0C:00/input/input1/event1&quot;
+[ 71179.256] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device &quot;Power Button&quot; (type: KEYBOARD, id 7)
+[ 71179.256] (**) Option &quot;xkb_rules&quot; &quot;evdev&quot;
+[ 71179.256] (**) Option &quot;xkb_model&quot; &quot;logii350&quot;
+[ 71179.256] (**) Option &quot;xkb_layout&quot; &quot;us&quot;
+[ 71179.256] (**) Option &quot;xkb_options&quot; &quot;compose:rwin&quot;
+[ 71179.260] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech USB Laser Mouse (/dev/input/event3)
+[ 71179.260] (**) Logitech USB Laser Mouse: Applying InputClass &quot;evdev pointer catchall&quot;
+[ 71179.260] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Logitech USB Laser Mouse'
+[ 71179.260] (**) Logitech USB Laser Mouse: always reports core events
+[ 71179.260] (**) evdev: Logitech USB Laser Mouse: Device: &quot;/dev/input/event3&quot;
+[ 71179.260] (--) evdev: Logitech USB Laser Mouse: Vendor 0x46d Product 0xc062
+[ 71179.260] (--) evdev: Logitech USB Laser Mouse: Found 12 mouse buttons
+[ 71179.260] (--) evdev: Logitech USB Laser Mouse: Found scroll wheel(s)
+[ 71179.260] (--) evdev: Logitech USB Laser Mouse: Found relative axes
+[ 71179.260] (--) evdev: Logitech USB Laser Mouse: Found x and y relative axes
+[ 71179.260] (II) evdev: Logitech USB Laser Mouse: Configuring as mouse
+[ 71179.260] (II) evdev: Logitech USB Laser Mouse: Adding scrollwheel support
+[ 71179.260] (**) evdev: Logitech USB Laser Mouse: YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
+[ 71179.260] (**) evdev: Logitech USB Laser Mouse: EmulateWheelButton: 4, EmulateWheelInertia: 10, EmulateWheelTimeout: 200
+[ 71179.260] (**) Option &quot;config_info&quot; &quot;udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.1/usb2/2-2/2-2:1.0/input/input3/event3&quot;
+[ 71179.260] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device &quot;Logitech USB Laser Mouse&quot; (type: MOUSE, id 8)
+[ 71179.260] (II) evdev: Logitech USB Laser Mouse: initialized for relative axes.
+[ 71179.260] (**) Logitech USB Laser Mouse: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
+[ 71179.260] (**) Logitech USB Laser Mouse: (accel) acceleration profile 0
+[ 71179.260] (**) Logitech USB Laser Mouse: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
+[ 71179.260] (**) Logitech USB Laser Mouse: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
+[ 71179.267] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech USB Laser Mouse (/dev/input/mouse0)
+[ 71179.267] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[ 71179.267] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[ 71179.267] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Line Out Surround (/dev/input/event10)
+[ 71179.267] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[ 71179.267] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[ 71179.268] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Line Out Front (/dev/input/event11)
+[ 71179.268] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[ 71179.268] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[ 71179.268] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Line (/dev/input/event4)
+[ 71179.268] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[ 71179.268] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[ 71179.268] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Front Mic (/dev/input/event5)
+[ 71179.268] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[ 71179.268] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[ 71179.269] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Rear Mic (/dev/input/event6)
+[ 71179.269] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[ 71179.269] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[ 71179.269] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Front Headphone (/dev/input/event7)
+[ 71179.269] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[ 71179.269] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[ 71179.269] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Line Out Side (/dev/input/event8)
+[ 71179.269] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[ 71179.269] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[ 71179.269] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Line Out CLFE (/dev/input/event9)
+[ 71179.269] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[ 71179.269] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[ 71179.269] (II) config/udev: Adding input device AT Translated Set 2 keyboard (/dev/input/event0)
+[ 71179.269] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Applying InputClass &quot;evdev keyboard catchall&quot;
+[ 71179.270] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'AT Translated Set 2 keyboard'
+[ 71179.270] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: always reports core events
+[ 71179.270] (**) evdev: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Device: &quot;/dev/input/event0&quot;
+[ 71179.270] (--) evdev: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Vendor 0x1 Product 0x1
+[ 71179.270] (--) evdev: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Found keys
+[ 71179.270] (II) evdev: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Configuring as keyboard
+[ 71179.270] (**) Option &quot;config_info&quot; &quot;udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0/event0&quot;
+[ 71179.270] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device &quot;AT Translated Set 2 keyboard&quot; (type: KEYBOARD, id 9)
+[ 71179.270] (**) Option &quot;xkb_rules&quot; &quot;evdev&quot;
+[ 71179.270] (**) Option &quot;xkb_model&quot; &quot;logii350&quot;
+[ 71179.270] (**) Option &quot;xkb_layout&quot; &quot;us&quot;
+[ 71179.270] (**) Option &quot;xkb_options&quot; &quot;compose:rwin&quot;
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): EDID vendor &quot;DEL&quot;, prod id 40976
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Using hsync ranges from config file
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1920x1200&quot;x0.0  154.00  1920 1968 2000 2080  1200 1203 1209 1235 +hsync -vsync (74.0 kHz eP)
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;800x600&quot;x0.0   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz e)
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;640x480&quot;x0.0   31.50  640 656 720 840  480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz e)
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;640x480&quot;x0.0   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;720x400&quot;x0.0   28.32  720 738 846 900  400 412 414 449 -hsync +vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1280x1024&quot;x0.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz e)
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1024x768&quot;x0.0   78.75  1024 1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz e)
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1024x768&quot;x0.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz e)
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;800x600&quot;x0.0   49.50  800 816 896 1056  600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz e)
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1280x1024&quot;x0.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz e)
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1600x1200&quot;x0.0  162.00  1600 1664 1856 2160  1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync (75.0 kHz e)
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1152x864&quot;x0.0  108.00  1152 1216 1344 1600  864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz e)
+[ 71179.320] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1680x1050&quot;x0.0  119.00  1680 1728 1760 1840  1050 1053 1059 1080 +hsync -vsync (64.7 kHz e)
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): EDID vendor &quot;DEL&quot;, prod id 40976
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Using hsync ranges from config file
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1920x1200&quot;x0.0  154.00  1920 1968 2000 2080  1200 1203 1209 1235 +hsync -vsync (74.0 kHz eP)
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;800x600&quot;x0.0   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz e)
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;640x480&quot;x0.0   31.50  640 656 720 840  480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz e)
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;640x480&quot;x0.0   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;720x400&quot;x0.0   28.32  720 738 846 900  400 412 414 449 -hsync +vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1280x1024&quot;x0.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz e)
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1024x768&quot;x0.0   78.75  1024 1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz e)
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1024x768&quot;x0.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz e)
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;800x600&quot;x0.0   49.50  800 816 896 1056  600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz e)
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1280x1024&quot;x0.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz e)
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1600x1200&quot;x0.0  162.00  1600 1664 1856 2160  1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync (75.0 kHz e)
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1152x864&quot;x0.0  108.00  1152 1216 1344 1600  864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz e)
+[ 71181.143] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1680x1050&quot;x0.0  119.00  1680 1728 1760 1840  1050 1053 1059 1080 +hsync -vsync (64.7 kHz e)
+[ 71182.790] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-501A1DC453A78B25E0483A16D42BF0CC4B3C20A6.xkm
+[ 71185.060] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-501A1DC453A78B25E0483A16D42BF0CC4B3C20A6.xkm
+[ 71190.496] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-501A1DC453A78B25E0483A16D42BF0CC4B3C20A6.xkm
+[ 71191.563] (II) NOUVEAU(0): EDID vendor &quot;DEL&quot;, prod id 40976
+[ 71191.563] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Using hsync ranges from config file
+[ 71191.563] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file
+[ 71191.563] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
+[ 71191.563] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1920x1200&quot;x0.0  154.00  1920 1968 2000 2080  1200 1203 1209 1235 +hsync -vsync (74.0 kHz eP)
+[ 71191.563] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;800x600&quot;x0.0   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz e)
+[ 71191.564] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;640x480&quot;x0.0   31.50  640 656 720 840  480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz e)
+[ 71191.564] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;640x480&quot;x0.0   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[ 71191.564] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;720x400&quot;x0.0   28.32  720 738 846 900  400 412 414 449 -hsync +vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[ 71191.564] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1280x1024&quot;x0.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz e)
+[ 71191.564] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1024x768&quot;x0.0   78.75  1024 1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz e)
+[ 71191.564] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1024x768&quot;x0.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz e)
+[ 71191.564] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;800x600&quot;x0.0   49.50  800 816 896 1056  600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz e)
+[ 71191.564] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1280x1024&quot;x0.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz e)
+[ 71191.564] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1600x1200&quot;x0.0  162.00  1600 1664 1856 2160  1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync (75.0 kHz e)
+[ 71191.564] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1152x864&quot;x0.0  108.00  1152 1216 1344 1600  864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz e)
+[ 71191.564] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1680x1050&quot;x0.0  119.00  1680 1728 1760 1840  1050 1053 1059 1080 +hsync -vsync (64.7 kHz e)
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): EDID vendor &quot;DEL&quot;, prod id 40976
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Using hsync ranges from config file
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1920x1200&quot;x0.0  154.00  1920 1968 2000 2080  1200 1203 1209 1235 +hsync -vsync (74.0 kHz eP)
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;800x600&quot;x0.0   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz e)
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;640x480&quot;x0.0   31.50  640 656 720 840  480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz e)
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;640x480&quot;x0.0   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;720x400&quot;x0.0   28.32  720 738 846 900  400 412 414 449 -hsync +vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1280x1024&quot;x0.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz e)
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1024x768&quot;x0.0   78.75  1024 1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz e)
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1024x768&quot;x0.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz e)
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;800x600&quot;x0.0   49.50  800 816 896 1056  600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz e)
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1280x1024&quot;x0.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz e)
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1600x1200&quot;x0.0  162.00  1600 1664 1856 2160  1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync (75.0 kHz e)
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1152x864&quot;x0.0  108.00  1152 1216 1344 1600  864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz e)
+[ 71192.784] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1680x1050&quot;x0.0  119.00  1680 1728 1760 1840  1050 1053 1059 1080 +hsync -vsync (64.7 kHz e)
+[ 71193.359] (II) NOUVEAU(0): EDID vendor &quot;DEL&quot;, prod id 40976
+[ 71193.359] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Using hsync ranges from config file
+[ 71193.359] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file
+[ 71193.359] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
+[ 71193.359] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;1920x1200&quot;x0.0  154.00  1920 1968 2000 2080  1200 1203 1209 1235 +hsync -vsync (74.0 kHz eP)
+[ 71193.359] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;800x600&quot;x0.0   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz e)
+[ 71193.359] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;640x480&quot;x0.0   31.50  640 656 720 840  480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz e)
+[ 71193.359] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline &quot;640x480&quot;x0.0   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e)
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+    <B>Richard Couture</B> 
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+<PRE>I'm in full agreement, however the point of my initial post was not to 
+obtain an evaluation of the merits of being able to, as part of the 
+install as was the case in versions previous to system D, but to ask if 
+a mechanism, providing the same function as was previously available, 
+through msec or whatever, is in the plans...
+
+I value(d) this option and think that replacing it with whatever 
+mechanism is necessary would be an asset to Mageia, whereas I now view 
+it's lack of function as a loss.
+
+Perceptions are really important as can be seen in the various reviews 
+which condemn for seemingly irrelevant details...
+
+Thanks
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+Richard
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+On 06/04/2012 06:10 AM, Buchan Milne wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sunday, 3 June 2012 17:52:47 Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; On the whole, this kind of &quot;security&quot; is basically bullshit anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can't make that assessment without understanding the rest of the
+</I>&gt;<i> security environment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; It
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; might make things a tiny bit harder, but if you can get into the
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; bootloader to append a 1 on the command line,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe you *can't* append anything you like to the command-line. Maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> the bootloader configuration has a 'boot single' option, which should
+</I>&gt;<i> require entry of the root password to access the system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; you can also append
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; init=/bin/bash too which totally bypasses everything too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not if the bootloader configuration is password protected (IOW, you can
+</I>&gt;<i> boot any configured option, but if you want to modify anything, you need
+</I>&gt;<i> to provide a password, different from the root password).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; So while it's
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; maybe a nice idea, for all practical purposes, it's not any kind of real
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; security anyway, so don't rely on it!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No security implementation relies on a single control being in place. A
+</I>&gt;<i> numebr of modern security best practices have thousands of controls, and
+</I>&gt;<i> the requirement for a password to be entered to boot single is almost
+</I>&gt;<i> always one of them, and a requirement for a bootloader password is
+</I>&gt;<i> usually another.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Buchan
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+    <B>David W. Hodgins</B> 
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+<PRE>On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 11:39:08 -0400, Marcello &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> i've written some proposals for Mageia 3. Is there anyone who wants to
+</I>&gt;<i> adopt them?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE</A>
+</I>
+The installer already has these, so I don't understand what you
+want changed.  You can select kde or gnome, or custom, where these
+additional choices are present.
+
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CreateHibridISO">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CreateHibridISO</A>
+</I>
+Bad title.  All of the iso images are already hybrid iso images, in
+that they can be booted from cd/dvd or usb drive, etc.  I think you
+are referring to creating a live dvd, rather then the current live
+cd images.  Note that there are still a lot of people with limited
+download speed, and/or download caps, beyond which they have to pay
+extra.  I do agree that a live dvd would be more useful, and be less
+work to create/test than the current live cds.
+
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots</A>
+</I>
+The doc team does update the documentation for each release already.
+
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware</A>
+</I>
+But what packages should that include?  Ask 10 people, you'll get at
+least 10 different answers.
+
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To</A>
+</I>
+That I agree would be useful, but will require a lot of review to
+figure out what is actually needed for a new user.
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+<PRE>2012/6/4 Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>
+Leaving out the crap about &quot;change your wording&quot; and whatever.
+
+&gt;<i> - Maybe to clarify my point: When using GNOME, there should not be any
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;need to resort to a distro specific configuration tool. E.g. xorg
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;should be setup automatically, not require any distro assistance. It
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;is long term and difficult.
+</I>
+Ok, no problem. But what if a user decides NOT to use Gnome (what an
+idea!)? What should users use for configuration?
+
+&gt;<i> You clearly care about MCC, cool. But respect other people's opinion.
+</I>
+Actually I like MCC but this is not the point, it could be any similar
+tool. I do respect other's opinions as long as these others respect
+the necessity of such a tool for system-wide settings independent from
+desktop-environments.
+
+&gt;<i> To make clear: I think it is stupid that various distributions have
+</I>&gt;<i> their own specific configuration tools. That should be shared across
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions.
+</I>
+Od course I agree to that, never said anything against it. But I also
+think it is stupid to do system settings inside a configuration tool
+of a desktop environment. Please think again what that means:
+
+If there is no MCC (or any other central setting tool for the Linux system):
+ - a Gnome user will use gnome-settings
+ - a kde user will use kde-settings
+ - a lxde user will use.... and so on ad infinitum.
+
+And what if he has Gnome and KDE, having both their own system
+settings (hardware, msec, network settings, software management,
+etc.)?
+BTW: We are seeing this already in the forums: people see a setting in
+MCC and then the same in KDE/Gnome. They will obviously use the first
+they see - if that differs to the setting in MCC confusion is on the
+way.
+
+&gt;<i> Secondly, I think you should be able to do everything from within System
+</I>&gt;<i> Settings.
+</I>
+Yes, as long as it is not a setting tool for the settings of a
+desktop-environment which is not available when you do not use that
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+to this. It's software, not human rights.
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+<PRE>This chapter is wrong:
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+&gt;<i> BTW: We are seeing this already in the forums: people see a setting in
+</I>&gt;<i> MCC and then the same in KDE/Gnome. They will obviously use the first
+</I>&gt;<i> they see - if that differs to the setting in MCC confusion is on the
+</I>&gt;<i> way.
+</I>
+The las part should read:
+&quot;- if that differs to the setting in the other tool confusion is on the way.&quot;
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+&gt;<i> 2012/6/4 Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Leaving out the crap about &quot;change your wording&quot; and whatever.
+</I>[..]
+&gt;<i> BTW: Pls, calm down a bit, I am quite amazed how emotional you react
+</I>&gt;<i> to this. It's software, not human rights.
+</I>
+I indeed get annoyed if words such as &quot;crap&quot; are used in discussions.
+
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+
+Now you've seem to think I'm suggesting that every desktop implements
+their on tool. But that is not what I've suggested.
+
+Two things:
+- One thing that is shared across distributions
+- Another thing implemented in System Settings
+
+These are two separate things. This does NOT require a XFCE &quot;system
+settings&quot; tool, as it would be covered by the other tool. If you have
+*one* tool that is shared across distributions, then there must be
+standards to deal with the differences. Standards that can be used by
+the (GNOME) System Settings, more or less duplicating what the other
+tool does. Another possibility that more things are agreed upon between
+distributions, which can then be implemented in System Settings, but is
+still handled by various distro specific tools (MCC, etc) as well.
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - Please change your wording. You have zero say in what goes on at
+</I>&gt;<i>   gnome.org, nor about me. If you start by telling me what I must and
+</I>&gt;<i>   must not do, it is better to not respond.
+</I>
+Neither can gnome.org dictate what distros do, only suggest.
+
+&gt;<i> - I clearly stated freedesktop.org standards
+</I>
+Yes, standards is good as long as they actully are followed,
+wich is not always the case, but this is getting better...
+
+&gt;<i> - Maybe to clarify my point: When using GNOME, there should not be any
+</I>&gt;<i>   need to resort to a distro specific configuration tool. E.g. xorg
+</I>&gt;<i>   should be setup automatically, not require any distro assistance. It
+</I>&gt;<i>   is long term and difficult.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Well, the power and usability of DE agnostic control center is _way_
+better than what the DE integrated ones can offer for systemwide settings.
+
+Think of giving support: Instead of having first having to ask for what
+DE, and then have to to tell the user the DE-specific way of changing
+it, support can simply say open mcc, do this, then that, then...
+and you are done.
+
+But yes, integration between tools, and getting more stuff to
+work automatically is WIP, not something that changes over night.
+
+Not to mention pretty much every review out there lists mcc as one
+of the strong points, so it's also clear that endusers want it...
+
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 08:17:39PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/4 Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Leaving out the crap about &quot;change your wording&quot; and whatever.
+</I>&gt;<i> [..]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BTW: Pls, calm down a bit, I am quite amazed how emotional you react
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to this. It's software, not human rights.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I indeed get annoyed if words such as &quot;crap&quot; are used in discussions.
+</I>
+Yes, me too when someone starts with compalining about my wording.
+
+&gt;<i> Now you've seem to think I'm suggesting that every desktop implements
+</I>&gt;<i> their on tool. But that is not what I've suggested.
+</I>
+No, you suggest to implement everything into one desktop's tool.
+
+&gt;<i> Two things:
+</I>&gt;<i> - One thing that is shared across distributions
+</I>&gt;<i> - Another thing implemented in System Settings
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These are two separate things. This does NOT require a XFCE &quot;system
+</I>&gt;<i> settings&quot; tool, as it would be covered by the other tool. If you have
+</I>&gt;<i> *one* tool that is shared across distributions, then there must be
+</I>&gt;<i> standards to deal with the differences. Standards that can be used by
+</I>&gt;<i> the (GNOME) System Settings, more or less duplicating what the other
+</I>&gt;<i> tool does. Another possibility that more things are agreed upon between
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions, which can then be implemented in System Settings, but is
+</I>&gt;<i> still handled by various distro specific tools (MCC, etc) as well.
+</I>
+Yes, perfect. That's the situation we almost have:
+ - Desktops have the tools for their own settings (window behavior,
+themes, behavior of their own applications, etc.). These are the same
+no matter which distribution you are using (if the distribution do not
+change too much when inplementing the desktop).
+
+Now all we need is a selection of tools such as MCC or YaST or
+whatever you may call it for all distributions to do the system
+settings (hardware, security features, whatever there is in MCC or
+YaST). Of course there may be difficulties because of different
+package managements but the graphical tools for software management
+should not be too hard to &quot;unite&quot;.
+
+Then we are at the point you are heading at, no? As much uniformity as
+possible.
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+-- 
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+<PRE>On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 09:49:52PM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> 04.06.2012 20:32, Olav Vitters skrev:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Please change your wording. You have zero say in what goes on at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   gnome.org, nor about me. If you start by telling me what I must and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   must not do, it is better to not respond.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Neither can gnome.org dictate what distros do, only suggest.
+</I>
+I'm very well aware, which is why I don't use must. It is a very long
+process, not going to change any time soon. Again, this started out with
+me saying &quot;I prefer&quot;... a minor note about my thoughts. Don't think that
+any of my messages as something I don't intend e.g. as if they are
+instructions on what Mageia should so.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; - I clearly stated freedesktop.org standards
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, standards is good as long as they actully are followed,
+</I>&gt;<i> wich is not always the case, but this is getting better...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Maybe to clarify my point: When using GNOME, there should not be any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   need to resort to a distro specific configuration tool. E.g. xorg
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   should be setup automatically, not require any distro assistance. It
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   is long term and difficult.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, the power and usability of DE agnostic control center is _way_
+</I>&gt;<i> better than what the DE integrated ones can offer for systemwide settings.
+</I>
+Power I fully agree with.
+
+&gt;<i> Think of giving support: Instead of having first having to ask for what
+</I>&gt;<i> DE, and then have to to tell the user the DE-specific way of changing
+</I>&gt;<i> it, support can simply say open mcc, do this, then that, then...
+</I>&gt;<i> and you are done.
+</I>
+Depends on who is giving the support.
+
+&gt;<i> But yes, integration between tools, and getting more stuff to
+</I>&gt;<i> work automatically is WIP, not something that changes over night.
+</I>
+Indeed.
+
+&gt;<i> Not to mention pretty much every review out there lists mcc as one
+</I>&gt;<i> of the strong points, so it's also clear that endusers want it...
+</I>
+To be clear: I think MCC is great. But I also use Fedora sometimes. And
+sometimes Ubuntu. I highly prefer Mageia. I find it sad that something
+like MCC is distro specific. Other distributions have tools with their
+own advantages. I prefer if such tools are shared across distributions,
+just like most software is available between distributions. Possibly
+with some slight patches (like a lot of software), but that's it.
+
+Practically, probably not going to change any time soon, but I hope it
+does.. nothing more.
+
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+Olav
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+<PRE>04.06.2012 22:08, Olav Vitters skrev:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 09:49:52PM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 04.06.2012 20:32, Olav Vitters skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Please change your wording. You have zero say in what goes on at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   gnome.org, nor about me. If you start by telling me what I must and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   must not do, it is better to not respond.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Neither can gnome.org dictate what distros do, only suggest.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm very well aware, which is why I don't use must. It is a very long
+</I>&gt;<i> process, not going to change any time soon. Again, this started out with
+</I>
+Yep, but if we dont start the process, nothing happends either :)
+
+&gt;<i> me saying &quot;I prefer&quot;... a minor note about my thoughts. Don't think that
+</I>&gt;<i> any of my messages as something I don't intend e.g. as if they are
+</I>&gt;<i> instructions on what Mageia should so.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Nope, I didn't take it that way...
+
+I just pointed out that the  distro &lt;-&gt; DE symbiosis need to be
+considered from both POV.
+
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - I clearly stated freedesktop.org standards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, standards is good as long as they actully are followed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wich is not always the case, but this is getting better...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Maybe to clarify my point: When using GNOME, there should not be any
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   need to resort to a distro specific configuration tool. E.g. xorg
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   should be setup automatically, not require any distro assistance. It
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   is long term and difficult.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, the power and usability of DE agnostic control center is _way_
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> better than what the DE integrated ones can offer for systemwide settings.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Power I fully agree with.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Think of giving support: Instead of having first having to ask for what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> DE, and then have to to tell the user the DE-specific way of changing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it, support can simply say open mcc, do this, then that, then...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and you are done.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Depends on who is giving the support.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+So true.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> But yes, integration between tools, and getting more stuff to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work automatically is WIP, not something that changes over night.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not to mention pretty much every review out there lists mcc as one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the strong points, so it's also clear that endusers want it...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> To be clear: I think MCC is great. But I also use Fedora sometimes. And
+</I>&gt;<i> sometimes Ubuntu. I highly prefer Mageia. I find it sad that something
+</I>&gt;<i> like MCC is distro specific. Other distributions have tools with their
+</I>&gt;<i> own advantages. I prefer if such tools are shared across distributions,
+</I>&gt;<i> just like most software is available between distributions. Possibly
+</I>&gt;<i> with some slight patches (like a lot of software), but that's it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Yep, wich is why stuff like packagekit is in the works, slowly
+progressing...
+
+&gt;<i> Practically, probably not going to change any time soon, but I hope it
+</I>&gt;<i> does.. nothing more.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Same here,
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+<PRE>Op maandag 4 juni 2012 14:16:54 schreef David W. Hodgins:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That I agree would be useful, but will require a lot of review to
+</I>&gt;<i> figure out what is actually needed for a new user.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>
+Maybe it doesn't need to be an application, but it could be a link to 
+resources on the wiki (or documentation). the distrowatch.org review also 
+mentioned something like that: 
+<A HREF="http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120604">http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120604</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:08:27AM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; x11-server-1.12 and rebuild drivers are in */update_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please test.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. It starts, no issues yet :P
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. It shows the text that didn't show in Firefox 13! (with latest cairo,
+</I>&gt;<i>    didn't downgrade)
+</I>
+Update on 2:
+ - still perfect text rending, so better than previous x11 + new cairo
+ - chatting on facebook.com results in the small profile pictures not
+   always being updated correctly (image is garbled).. probably same
+   cairo issue.. haven't yet tried downgrading cairo
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+<PRE>Le 04/06/2012 17:39, Marcello a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i've written some proposals for Mageia 3. Is there anyone who wants to
+</I>&gt;<i> adopt them?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CreateHibridISO">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CreateHibridISO</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To</A>
+</I>
+Could you please use the proper name for these pages as stated here:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#How_to_define_and_propose_a_feature">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#How_to_define_and_propose_a_feature</A>
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PS= Feel free to comment them in this thread
+</I>
+
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+    <B>andre999</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi everyone,
+
+Since my last post, we have 2 new apprentice candidates looking for a mentor.
+
+simplew (Pedro), who is a longtime user of various rpm-based distros, is most 
+interested in Gnome and KDE packages.  As you have probably noticed, he has 
+already been struggling with packaging on his own.  His languages are en, pt, 
+and es.
+
+agron (Agron Selimaj), an mdv powerpack user since 2006, has skills in C++, 
+debugging, patch review, and rpm building, and is interested in focusing on 
+essential packages.
+
+Others have expressed interest in becoming packagers, but I have yet to confirm 
+their interest.
+
+You can find more details at:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+
+Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I'll update the tables for you.
+And if you feel that you can take on another apprentice, don't hesitate to post 
+to this thread.
+
+Thanks :-)
+
+----
+
+Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an 
+apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A> 
+
+
+See also the previous sections, on becoming a Mageia packager :
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager</A>
+
+To find a mentor, it helps to also post to this list (mageia-dev), or hang out 
+on IRC at freenode #mageia-mentoring.
+Don't forget that if you contact a mentor directly, they know that you are 
+actively interested.
+
+Regards :-)
+
+-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+    <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B> 
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since my last post, we have 2 new apprentice candidates looking for a
+</I>mentor.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> simplew (Pedro), who is a longtime user of various rpm-based distros, is
+</I>most interested in Gnome and KDE packages.  As you have probably noticed,
+he has already been struggling with packaging on his own.  His languages
+are en, pt, and es.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> agron (Agron Selimaj), an mdv powerpack user since 2006, has skills in
+</I>C++, debugging, patch review, and rpm building, and is interested in
+focusing on essential packages.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>I can mentored this guys, i think.
+&gt;<i> Others have expressed interest in becoming packagers, but I have yet to
+</I>confirm their interest.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can find more details at:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I><A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I'll update the tables for you.
+</I>&gt;<i> And if you feel that you can take on another apprentice, don't hesitate
+</I>to post to this thread.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as
+</I>an apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.
+&gt;<i>
+</I><A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See also the previous sections, on becoming a Mageia packager :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I><A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager</A>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To find a mentor, it helps to also post to this list (mageia-dev), or
+</I>hang out on IRC at freenode #mageia-mentoring.
+&gt;<i> Don't forget that if you contact a mentor directly, they know that you
+</I>are actively interested.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i> (Packager mentoring program coordinator)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 30/05/2012 23:43, Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Here is the process:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - until 15/06: make proposals for Mageia 3 specifications (features)
+</I>&gt;<i> following our policy
+</I>&gt;<i> - 16 to 18/06: choose features that will be added for official
+</I>&gt;<i> specifications of Mageia 3
+</I>&gt;<i> - publish and communicate on it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia features policy:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Template for feature proposal:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature_Template">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature_Template</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please read carefully this policy and use the template. Once it's done,
+</I>&gt;<i> feel free to mail -dev if you think you need to discuss your feature and
+</I>&gt;<i> find people so that you can propose resources to work on it.
+</I>
+ping all. Very few proposals for now. Please take some time to fill it, 
+it's important for coming release
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 04/06/12 17:16 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 2 June 2012 10:36, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updated status:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> updated status:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - major driver that were tested and works OK:
+</I>&gt;<i>  o video: fbdev intel nvidia radeon vesa
+</I>&gt;<i>  o input: wacom evdev mouse keyboard
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - major driver that need being tested:
+</I>&gt;<i>  o video: fglrx nouveau
+</I>&gt;<i>  o input: synaptics
+</I>
+Crap, forgot to mention but I have synaptics here too and it seems fine.
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 04/06/12 19:06 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I value(d) this option and think that replacing it with whatever
+</I>&gt;<i> mechanism is necessary would be an asset to Mageia, whereas I now view
+</I>&gt;<i> it's lack of function as a loss.
+</I>
+Did you check what I wrote tho'? Did you try configuring
+/etc/sysconfig/init to set the SINGLE= value as per your desires?
+
+As I said, it didn't work that great for me when I tested a while ago,
+but it may work better now. This then gives control to the various tools
+that use it to set the desired behaviour.
+
+So the features is not gone, it is still there as before - I'm just not
+100% convinced it's working perfectly - but please do test and let me know.
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> updated status:
+</I>
+updated status:
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+- major driver that were tested and works OK:
+ o video: fbdev intel nouveau nvidia radeon vesa
+ o input: evdev keyboard mouse synaptics wacom
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+- major driver that need being tested:
+ o video: fglrx
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+- minor driver that would be nice to test:
+ o video: openchrome sis vmware
+ o input: vmmouse
+
+The following drivers still fail to rebuild:
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+- virtualbox
+- x11-driver-video-sisimedia
+- x11-driver-video-sisusb
+- x11-driver-video-xgi
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+The only other driver we miss is virtualbox which fails to compile:
+/usr/include/xorg/os.h:496:25: error: expected identifier or '('
+before '__extension__'
+
+Waiting for you to test on more real HW...
+Mainly : fglrx
+
+It would be nice to to fix virtualbox build.
+In the meantime, I think we're ready to switch from x11-server-1.10.x to 1.12.x
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+&gt;<i> 3.7
+</I>
+You should run &quot;svn diff&quot; before commiting :-)
+tthat's he mdv plague :-) ...
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+&gt;<i> --- build_system/bcd/trunk/Makefile	2012-06-04 20:36:08 UTC (rev 4805)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ build_system/bcd/trunk/Makefile	2012-06-05 09:58:23 UTC (rev 4806)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>  NAME=bcd
+</I>&gt;<i> -VERSION=3.6
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+</I>&gt;<i>  ALL=
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>  POD=${name}.pod
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  all:	man tex
+</I>&gt;<i> -	#pdf
+</I>&gt;<i> +	pdf
+</I>&gt;<i>  	
+</I>&gt;<i>  clean:
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4806] 3.7">ennael at mageia.org
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+&gt;<i> On 5 June 2012 11:58,&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3.7
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should run &quot;svn diff&quot; before commiting :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> tthat's he mdv plague :-) ...bcd-3.6-1.mga2.src.rpm
+</I>
+Yep should have been 2 different commits. My bad
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- build_system/bcd/trunk/Makefile	2012-06-04 20:36:08 UTC (rev 4805)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ build_system/bcd/trunk/Makefile	2012-06-05 09:58:23 UTC (rev 4806)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   NAME=bcd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -VERSION=3.6
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +VERSION=3.7
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   PERL_VENDORLIB=$(shell eval &quot;`perl -V:installvendorlib`&quot;; echo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $$installvendorlib)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   ALL=
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   POD=${name}.pod
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   all:	man tex
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -	#pdf
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +	pdf
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   	
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   clean:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   	rm -rf *~
+</I>
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09bcd-3.7-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C4FCDFE84.4000803%40eesti.ee%3E"
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+<PRE>05.06.2012 15:27, ennael kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Name        : bcd                          Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 3.7                               Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Tue Jun  5 14:26:37 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group       : System/Configuration/Packaging   Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size        : 173808                           License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : ennael &lt;ennael&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://svn.mageia.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/soft/build_system/bcd">http://svn.mageia.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/soft/build_system/bcd</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary     : Iso builder for Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Create Mageia DVD and CD ISO usinf drakx installer
+</I>&gt;<i> - configuration file is now in XML format
+</I>&gt;<i> - use of genhdlist2 with file-deps
+</I>&gt;<i> - support the add of isolinux entry
+</I>&gt;<i> - change the theme on all.rdz files
+</I>&gt;<i> - just need an input and an exclude file per media
+</I>&gt;<i> - write media.cfg
+</I>&gt;<i> - use input or exclude list for each media
+</I>&gt;<i> - use custom rpmsrate of compssusers.pl
+</I>&gt;<i> - all sub-media supported (updates, testing...)
+</I>&gt;<i> - iso HEADER
+</I>&gt;<i> - suggests option per media
+</I>&gt;<i> - md5 in a file
+</I>&gt;<i> - create a product.id file
+</I>&gt;<i> - create a VERSION file
+</I>&gt;<i> - support rpmsrate CAT
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ennael &lt;ennael&gt; 3.7-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 255793
+</I>&gt;<i> - update for Mageia 2  release and further
+</I>&gt;<i> - initial import for bcd
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package bcd
+</I>Is there any wiki tutorial planned for this? So people could play with images a bit more. Or
+at least some basic steps how to set it up and create image.
+
+--
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 11:02:35AM +0200, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+&gt;<i> ping all. Very few proposals for now. Please take some time to fill
+</I>&gt;<i> it, it's important for coming release
+</I>
+Added <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:KillSysvinit">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:KillSysvinit</A>
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+I thought killing sysvinit was already agreed upon, so not sure a
+feature page is needed.
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+The instructions are a bit vague on how to create a new page using a
+template. It says to create, but not how to do so. I went to a
+non-existing page and copy pasted the source from the template... in
+moinmoin this works way better (you can basically have it show an
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 05/06/12 14:14 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 11:02:35AM +0200, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ping all. Very few proposals for now. Please take some time to fill
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it, it's important for coming release
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Added <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:KillSysvinit">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:KillSysvinit</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I thought killing sysvinit was already agreed upon, so not sure a
+</I>&gt;<i> feature page is needed.
+</I>
+Yeah I think this is agreed upon and I'm pretty happy with the response
+so far regarding systemd in mga2 which gives me even more confidence
+overall.
+
+However, having a feature page is still good from a documentation of the
+plan perspective when people question it in 4 months time!
+
+There are a couple other &quot;loose&quot; features I'd also like to complete too,
+such as not shipping any sysvinit scripts in our packages (even if we
+maintain support for it in systemd for now for the benefit of third
+party packages), however I don't think this needs a feature page.
+
+&gt;<i> The instructions are a bit vague on how to create a new page using a
+</I>&gt;<i> template. It says to create, but not how to do so. I went to a
+</I>&gt;<i> non-existing page and copy pasted the source from the template... in
+</I>&gt;<i> moinmoin this works way better (you can basically have it show an
+</I>&gt;<i> textbox + button.. user just has to fill in the pagename and click the
+</I>&gt;<i> button to get a new page using the template).
+</I>
+
+Yeah that's all I did too.
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 02:53:50PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 05/06/12 14:14 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 11:02:35AM +0200, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ping all. Very few proposals for now. Please take some time to fill
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; it, it's important for coming release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Added <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:KillSysvinit">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:KillSysvinit</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I thought killing sysvinit was already agreed upon, so not sure a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; feature page is needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah I think this is agreed upon and I'm pretty happy with the response
+</I>&gt;<i> so far regarding systemd in mga2 which gives me even more confidence
+</I>&gt;<i> overall.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> However, having a feature page is still good from a documentation of the
+</I>&gt;<i> plan perspective when people question it in 4 months time!
+</I>
+I guess it is handy to track the big changes and really ensure everyones
+aware with the change. I am planning to make GNOME depend on systemd,
+not sure if that should be another feature or not.
+
+This I really want to add:
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ckremoval">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ckremoval</A>
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome_shell_software_rendering">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome_shell_software_rendering</A>
+
+There is also stuff we can steal from Fedora. Stuff that I found
+interesting:
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RealHotspot">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RealHotspot</A>
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ReworkPackageGroups">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ReworkPackageGroups</A>
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs</A>
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RPM4.10">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RPM4.10</A>
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsermodeMigration">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsermodeMigration</A>
+
+Possibly controversial:
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove</A>
+
+Also, with latest NetworkManager, it seems you can do pretty advanced
+network configurations (lacks UI). The UI is planned for GNOME 3.6.
+However, seems that loads of Mageia users have issues with
+NetworkManager, so not sure what to do. Perhaps safer to wait a year and
+hope that other distributions solve the bugs?
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+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>Le 05/06/2012 14:41, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 05.06.2012 15:27, ennael kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : bcd                          Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 3.7                               Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Tue Jun  5 14:26:37 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group       : System/Configuration/Packaging   Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size        : 173808                           License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : ennael&lt;ennael&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://svn.mageia.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/soft/build_system/bcd">http://svn.mageia.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/soft/build_system/bcd</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary     : Iso builder for Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Create Mageia DVD and CD ISO usinf drakx installer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - configuration file is now in XML format
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - use of genhdlist2 with file-deps
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - support the add of isolinux entry
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - change the theme on all.rdz files
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - just need an input and an exclude file per media
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - write media.cfg
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - use input or exclude list for each media
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - use custom rpmsrate of compssusers.pl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - all sub-media supported (updates, testing...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - iso HEADER
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - suggests option per media
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - md5 in a file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - create a product.id file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - create a VERSION file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - support rpmsrate CAT
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ennael&lt;ennael&gt;  3.7-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 255793
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update for Mageia 2  release and further
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - initial import for bcd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - imported package bcd
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any wiki tutorial planned for this? So people could play with images a bit more. Or
+</I>&gt;<i> at least some basic steps how to set it up and create image.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+There is a documentation included in package. Antoine wrote it and 
+updated it quite often. It's rather clear one
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 04/06/12 16:51 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/4 Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 09:13:53PM +0800, Kira wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Well, I think the main point of arguing about this issue is that most
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; people is mostly used to other input method and they don't care about
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; iBus...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Still 2 points to be answered especially for Mageia here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1. In MCC, we can set up the input method in localedrake, and this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; setting would be system-wide except GNOME about 3.6+. This should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mentioned, because it would destroy the unified user experience.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; As said, I don't code. And unified experience I care for GNOME, that it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; works consistently. I care about freedesktop.org standards. I don't care
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; for differences between distributions. E.g. MCC is great, but I prefer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; if it didn't exist. MCC is only Mageia/Mandriva, another distro has
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; other things, etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I prefer something in gnome-control-center.
+</I>&gt;<i> And here we have the main point, the difference between Gnome and
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody else.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Gnome is a mere desktop environment, nothing more and nothing less. Period.
+</I>
+You've maybe not been following the Gnome OS stuff then? I have and it's
+very interesting. As you know I've been a KDE developer for many years,
+but I much prefer the Gnome approach to lower level things. People
+involved in the Gnome project are very supportive to drive forward the
+core underlying plumbing layers rather than just build abstraction
+layers on top to rationalise the underlying insanity. I certainly have
+much more affinity to this approach to engineering (as you can likely
+tell when I share my opinions on stuff) than the KDE approach which does
+quite often paper over the cracks rather than solve the underlying problems.
+
+So I don't disagree with you with regards to how we, as a distro, should
+treat Gnome, but do keep in mind that &quot;Gnome OS&quot; as a whole is something
+we will all benefit from - this covers everything from how early boot
+should deal with user interaction and encryption passwords etc (i.e.
+plymouth) right up to GDM and X11 initialisation (including how to
+handle things when it fails) and thus the desktop environment &quot;Gnome&quot;
+will come with certain requirements for the underlying system on which
+it runs. In most (if not all) cases, these requirements will be for the
+general good anyway.
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+<PRE>= Summary =
+
+The packages in the repository are signed, but metadata are currently
+not signed. This feature would add metadata signatures on the
+repository, and create tools to check them.
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+= Detailed Description =
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+The packages on the repository are signed with PGP. However, the
+repository metadata are not currently signed. This includes :
+* the hdlists
+* the list of media, and PGP key to use to check the packages
+* installer files used for network installs
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+This feature can be implemented in different steps :
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+== Publish checksum of important files on the mirrors ==
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+This will be done by sysadmin team. The mageia build system will be
+modified to generate a file containing sha1sum of important files
+on the mirror :
+* media.cfg file
+* media_info/MD5SUM and media_info/pubkey files for each repository.
+  Those files contain the checksums of the hdlists files, and the public
+  key used to check the package signatures.
+* timestamp file, containing the date of the last update of the mirror
+* installer files
+This file will be signed using Mageia PGP key.
+
+== Mirror integrity check tool ==
+
+A tool to check a mirror integrity will be created. It should be able
+to check all the mirror content, or only some medias.
+
+== Integration in MGA::Mirror ==
+
+The mirror integrity check will be integrated in Mga::Mirror so that
+incorrect or outdated mirrors are automatically removed from
+mirrorslist.
+
+== Integration in urpmi ==
+
+Urpmi will be updated to check the metadata signatures when updating
+medias.
+
+== Integration in installer ==
+
+The installer will be updated to check the signature of stage2
+downloaded from the server.
+
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RepositorySignatures">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RepositorySignatures</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 05/06/12 15:20 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 02:53:50PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 05/06/12 14:14 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 11:02:35AM +0200, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ping all. Very few proposals for now. Please take some time to fill
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it, it's important for coming release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Added <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:KillSysvinit">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:KillSysvinit</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I thought killing sysvinit was already agreed upon, so not sure a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> feature page is needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah I think this is agreed upon and I'm pretty happy with the response
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so far regarding systemd in mga2 which gives me even more confidence
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> overall.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, having a feature page is still good from a documentation of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> plan perspective when people question it in 4 months time!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess it is handy to track the big changes and really ensure everyones
+</I>&gt;<i> aware with the change. I am planning to make GNOME depend on systemd,
+</I>&gt;<i> not sure if that should be another feature or not.
+</I>
+I don't think it will need to be a separate feature due to fact that
+&quot;booting&quot; will likely depend on systemd anyway! If there is a reprieve
+for sysvinit in mga3 I think it's perfectly reasonable to depend on
+systemd for Gnome anyway without the need for a &quot;Feature&quot; per-se.
+
+&gt;<i> This I really want to add:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ckremoval">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ckremoval</A>
+</I>
+Yup +1 on that. Tho' I think it'll happen anyway even if we don't detail
+it as a feature specifically.
+
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome_shell_software_rendering">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome_shell_software_rendering</A>
+</I>
+Yup I think TV mentioned that the other day. Again I think this will
+come semi-automatically anyway without the need for a feature page.
+
+&gt;<i> There is also stuff we can steal from Fedora. Stuff that I found
+</I>&gt;<i> interesting:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RealHotspot">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RealHotspot</A>
+</I>
+Yeah that would be nice.
+
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs</A>
+</I>
+Yup I like that one too. Others disagree, but it's just a default and
+it's easy to disable. Probably worth a feature wiki page.
+
+&gt;<i> Possibly controversial:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove</A>
+</I>
+I already wrote that one up:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove</A>
+
+Feel free to flesh it out, but I mostly just referenced the fedora page.
+No point in massive copy+paste IMO.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Also, with latest NetworkManager, it seems you can do pretty advanced
+</I>&gt;<i> network configurations (lacks UI). The UI is planned for GNOME 3.6.
+</I>&gt;<i> However, seems that loads of Mageia users have issues with
+</I>&gt;<i> NetworkManager, so not sure what to do. Perhaps safer to wait a year and
+</I>&gt;<i> hope that other distributions solve the bugs?
+</I>
+Maybe. I've had good experience with NM tho'. Worked well for me with
+wired, wireless and 3G networks via a dongle when I tried. All pretty
+painless.
+
+Col
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+<PRE>05.06.2012 18:10, Colin Guthrie skrev:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup I like that one too. Others disagree, but it's just a default and
+</I>&gt;<i> it's easy to disable. Probably worth a feature wiki page.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+This one we have had as an opt-in &quot;for ages&quot; in the boot configuration
+(during install and after) when selecting Advanced -&gt; Clear /tmp on boot
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+So we already have users that rely on it being available :)
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+So flipping the default should not be to &quot;hard&quot;
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 05/06/12 16:25 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 05.06.2012 18:10, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yup I like that one too. Others disagree, but it's just a default and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's easy to disable. Probably worth a feature wiki page.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This one we have had as an opt-in &quot;for ages&quot; in the boot configuration
+</I>&gt;<i> (during install and after) when selecting Advanced -&gt; Clear /tmp on boot
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So we already have users that rely on it being available :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So flipping the default should not be to &quot;hard&quot;
+</I>
+Oh yeah good point. I remember someone mentioning this a couple weeks ago.
+
+So yeah, it should be less problematic to promote it to default.
+
+Col
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>David Walser</B> 
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+<PRE>Olav Vitters wrote:
+&gt;<i> This I really want to add:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ckremoval">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ckremoval</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome_shell_software_rendering">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome_shell_software_rendering</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> There is also stuff we can steal from Fedora. Stuff that I found
+</I>&gt;<i> interesting:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RealHotspot">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RealHotspot</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ReworkPackageGroups">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ReworkPackageGroups</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RPM4.10">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RPM4.10</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsermodeMigration">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsermodeMigration</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Possibly controversial:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove</A>
+</I>
+Also <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ChronyDefaultNTP">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ChronyDefaultNTP</A>
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+<PRE>05.06.2012 12:42, Thierry Vignaud skrev:
+&gt;<i> On 4 June 2012 18:16, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updated status:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> updated status:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - major driver that need being tested:
+</I>&gt;<i>  o video: fglrx
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+does not work.
+
+We need official 12.6 driver (that currently is released as beta)
+One &quot;side-effect&quot; is that when we update to 12.6 AMD is dropping
+support in fglrx for every GPU older than HD5xxx so we need to
+push updated ldetect-lst at the same time to get automatic switch
+to ati driver for the older GPUs
+
+&gt;<i> The following drivers still fail to rebuild:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - virtualbox
+</I>&gt;<i> - x11-driver-video-sisimedia
+</I>&gt;<i> - x11-driver-video-sisusb
+</I>&gt;<i> - x11-driver-video-xgi
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The only other driver we miss is virtualbox which fails to compile:
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/include/xorg/os.h:496:25: error: expected identifier or '('
+</I>&gt;<i> before '__extension__'
+</I>
+I'll take a look on this one tonight/tomorrow...
+
+--
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+&gt;<i> You've maybe not been following the Gnome OS stuff then? I have and it's
+</I>&gt;<i> very interesting. As you know I've been a KDE developer for many years,
+</I>&gt;<i> but I much prefer the Gnome approach to lower level things. People
+</I>&gt;<i> involved in the Gnome project are very supportive to drive forward the
+</I>&gt;<i> core underlying plumbing layers rather than just build abstraction
+</I>&gt;<i> layers on top to rationalise the underlying insanity. I certainly have
+</I>&gt;<i> much more affinity to this approach to engineering (as you can likely
+</I>&gt;<i> tell when I share my opinions on stuff) than the KDE approach which does
+</I>&gt;<i> quite often paper over the cracks rather than solve the underlying problems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I don't disagree with you with regards to how we, as a distro, should
+</I>&gt;<i> treat Gnome, but do keep in mind that &quot;Gnome OS&quot; as a whole is something
+</I>&gt;<i> we will all benefit from - this covers everything from how early boot
+</I>&gt;<i> should deal with user interaction and encryption passwords etc (i.e.
+</I>&gt;<i> plymouth) right up to GDM and X11 initialisation (including how to
+</I>&gt;<i> handle things when it fails) and thus the desktop environment &quot;Gnome&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> will come with certain requirements for the underlying system on which
+</I>&gt;<i> it runs. In most (if not all) cases, these requirements will be for the
+</I>&gt;<i> general good anyway.
+</I>
+I certainly agree on your first paragraph (cause it makes sense and
+the &quot;Gnome way&quot; is promising and it is trying to achieve a Good
+Thing(tm)). Except for one point i already pointed out: a good part
+(if not the larger part) of the users are not using Gnome. So,
+whatever Gnome includes in its settings - if it is something which
+affects the whole system (like &quot;everything from how early boot should
+deal with user interaction and encryption passwords etc (i.e.
+plymouth) right up to GDM and X11 initialisation (including how to
+handle things when it fails)&quot;) then distributions still need the tools
+for these same tasks bnecause of users who do not use Gnome.
+
+If this tool for &quot;non Gnomers&quot; is such a central toolbox like the MCC
+a duplication of tools for the same task is unavoidable with users who
+use Gnome (as we have now), because you can't stop this system being
+installed on the same system as Gnome. Also keep in mind that many of
+those tools are needed before the desktop environment is even
+installed.
+
+So, what I'd rather see is a common cross-distribution toolbox outside
+of the desktop environments taking care of system business than a
+common toolbox inside a certain desktop environment which is not
+available if you do not use that desktop environment. This has not
+much to do with development but more with logic and reality.
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+    <B>Simple .</B> 
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+Every time i try to use vdpau backend in mplayer it reports that doesnt exist:
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+]$ gmplayer
+MPlayer SVN-1.rc4.0.r34911.1.mga3.tainted-4.6.3 (C) 2000-2012 MPlayer
+Team
+mplayer: could not connect to socket
+mplayer: No such file or directory
+Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote
+control.
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 05/06/2012 16:20, Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Also, with latest NetworkManager, it seems you can do pretty advanced
+</I>&gt;<i> network configurations (lacks UI). The UI is planned for GNOME 3.6.
+</I>&gt;<i> However, seems that loads of Mageia users have issues with
+</I>&gt;<i> NetworkManager, so not sure what to do. Perhaps safer to wait a year and
+</I>&gt;<i> hope that other distributions solve the bugs?
+</I>Approximatively 50% of those problems come from the coexistence with 
+drakxtools and sysinit, conflicting for the control of the interface, 
+rather than actual problems in NM code. Waiting for them to magically 
+disapear won't help much...
+
+-- 
+The longer the title, the less important the job
+		-- Murphy's Laws on Work n&#176;30
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+&gt;<i> 05.06.2012 12:42, Thierry Vignaud skrev:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The only other driver we miss is virtualbox which fails to compile:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/include/xorg/os.h:496:25: error: expected identifier or '('
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before '__extension__'
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll take a look on this one tonight/tomorrow...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+virtualbox fixed.
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 10:44:31PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 05/06/2012 16:20, Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Also, with latest NetworkManager, it seems you can do pretty advanced
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;network configurations (lacks UI). The UI is planned for GNOME 3.6.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;However, seems that loads of Mageia users have issues with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;NetworkManager, so not sure what to do. Perhaps safer to wait a year and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;hope that other distributions solve the bugs?
+</I>&gt;<i> Approximatively 50% of those problems come from the coexistence with
+</I>&gt;<i> drakxtools and sysinit, conflicting for the control of the
+</I>&gt;<i> interface, rather than actual problems in NM code. Waiting for them
+</I>&gt;<i> to magically disapear won't help much...
+</I>
+Ah ok, but shouldn't that all be fixed now that the patch is back to
+make NetworkManager properly ignore stuff that it should ignore?
+
+meaning: only look for USE_NM/NM_CONTROLLED (I forgot which), not demand
+more than that.
+
+
+But ideally it would be nice if there was only one way to setup a
+network.. and for me that means NetworkManager :). But drakxtools was
+more advanced IIRC, so first NetworkManager needs to get more advanced,
+more documentation, etc.
+
+Cool possibilities with just NetworkManager:
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NMEnterpriseNetworking">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NMEnterpriseNetworking</A>
+
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677148:">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677148:</A>
+(all one bugzilla.gnome.org, seem duplicates, but there is a bug per
+ product, so bug for maybe gnome-control-center, gnome-shell, etc)
+
+677144: network: make sure bridged devices are handled
+677145: network: make sure bridged devices are handled
+677146: network: make sure bonded devices are handled
+677147: network: make sure bonded devices are handled
+677148: network: make sure vlans are handled
+677149: network: make sure vlans are handled
+677150: network: make sure ipoib is handled
+677151: network: make sure ipoib is handled
+
+I had to lookup what ipoib (IP over infiniband) meant, article is here:
+<A HREF="http://www.ietf.org/wg/concluded/ipoib.html">http://www.ietf.org/wg/concluded/ipoib.html</A>
+
+
+GNOME shell specific:
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677142:">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677142:</A> multiple nics (NM can
+handle it, GNOME shell not)
+  677142: network: make sure multiple nics are handled ok
+  677143: network: make sure multiple nics are handled ok
+
+Note: The support is in NetworkManager. The GNOME bugs are to ensure it
+is shown/exposed in the UI properly. Not sure if available in stuff like
+KNetworkManager, but NM is not specific to GNOME.
+
+All bugs above are really server like things. I thought drakxtools still
+was better at setting up Wifi; and I think that is more important to get
+right than vlan/bridging/etc.
+
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Sandro CAZZANIGA &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>
+&gt;<i> wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 5 juin 2012 10:26, &quot;andre999&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Since my last post, we have 2 new apprentice candidates looking for a
+</I>&gt;<i> mentor.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; simplew (Pedro), who is a longtime user of various rpm-based distros, is
+</I>&gt;<i> most interested in Gnome and KDE packages.  As you have probably noticed,
+</I>&gt;<i> he has already been struggling with packaging on his own.  His languages
+</I>&gt;<i> are en, pt, and es.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; agron (Agron Selimaj), an mdv powerpack user since 2006, has skills in
+</I>&gt;<i> C++, debugging, patch review, and rpm building, and is interested in
+</I>&gt;<i> focusing on essential packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I can mentored this guys, i think.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Others have expressed interest in becoming packagers, but I have yet to
+</I>&gt;<i> confirm their interest.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You can find more details at:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I'll update the tables for you.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And if you feel that you can take on another apprentice, don't hesitate
+</I>&gt;<i> to post to this thread.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ----
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as
+</I>&gt;<i> an apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; See also the previous sections, on becoming a Mageia packager :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To find a mentor, it helps to also post to this list (mageia-dev), or
+</I>&gt;<i> hang out on IRC at freenode #mageia-mentoring.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Don't forget that if you contact a mentor directly, they know that you
+</I>&gt;<i> are actively interested.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (Packager mentoring program coordinator)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
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+<PRE>On 06/05/2012 11:41 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 10:44:31PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 05/06/2012 16:20, Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Also, with latest NetworkManager, it seems you can do pretty advanced
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> network configurations (lacks UI). The UI is planned for GNOME 3.6.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, seems that loads of Mageia users have issues with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> NetworkManager, so not sure what to do. Perhaps safer to wait a year and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hope that other distributions solve the bugs?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Approximatively 50% of those problems come from the coexistence with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drakxtools and sysinit, conflicting for the control of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interface, rather than actual problems in NM code. Waiting for them
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to magically disapear won't help much...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah ok, but shouldn't that all be fixed now that the patch is back to
+</I>&gt;<i> make NetworkManager properly ignore stuff that it should ignore?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I tink it is _lot_ easier even for drakxtools to write a file into
+/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections that to mess with ifcfg-* files.
+
+And NM is the only sane way to have, in my case, 4 or 5 WiFi configurations
+for the same interface and let it pick the right one depending on my
+location. It is just marvelous, and without any ifcfg-* file rewriting
+on the fly.
+
+And I suppose it can also be done, but I never managed to do without NM:
+let my linux in the far corner of the house boot and connect to wifi
+without any user logged in...
+
+So in my case, a big +1 for NM and kill all sysvinit files for network.
+
+I acknowledge that I never tried to do bonding with NM, for example...
+
+&gt;<i> meaning: only look for USE_NM/NM_CONTROLLED (I forgot which), not demand
+</I>&gt;<i> more than that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But ideally it would be nice if there was only one way to setup a
+</I>&gt;<i> network.. and for me that means NetworkManager :). But drakxtools was
+</I>&gt;<i> more advanced IIRC, so first NetworkManager needs to get more advanced,
+</I>&gt;<i> more documentation, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cool possibilities with just NetworkManager:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NMEnterpriseNetworking">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NMEnterpriseNetworking</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677148:">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677148:</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> (all one bugzilla.gnome.org, seem duplicates, but there is a bug per
+</I>&gt;<i>   product, so bug for maybe gnome-control-center, gnome-shell, etc)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 677144: network: make sure bridged devices are handled
+</I>&gt;<i> 677145: network: make sure bridged devices are handled
+</I>&gt;<i> 677146: network: make sure bonded devices are handled
+</I>&gt;<i> 677147: network: make sure bonded devices are handled
+</I>&gt;<i> 677148: network: make sure vlans are handled
+</I>&gt;<i> 677149: network: make sure vlans are handled
+</I>&gt;<i> 677150: network: make sure ipoib is handled
+</I>&gt;<i> 677151: network: make sure ipoib is handled
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I had to lookup what ipoib (IP over infiniband) meant, article is here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.ietf.org/wg/concluded/ipoib.html">http://www.ietf.org/wg/concluded/ipoib.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> GNOME shell specific:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677142:">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677142:</A> multiple nics (NM can
+</I>&gt;<i> handle it, GNOME shell not)
+</I>&gt;<i>    677142: network: make sure multiple nics are handled ok
+</I>&gt;<i>    677143: network: make sure multiple nics are handled ok
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note: The support is in NetworkManager. The GNOME bugs are to ensure it
+</I>&gt;<i> is shown/exposed in the UI properly. Not sure if available in stuff like
+</I>&gt;<i> KNetworkManager, but NM is not specific to GNOME.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All bugs above are really server like things. I thought drakxtools still
+</I>&gt;<i> was better at setting up Wifi; and I think that is more important to get
+</I>&gt;<i> right than vlan/bridging/etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Le 30/05/2012 23:43, Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is the process:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - until 15/06: make proposals for Mageia 3 specifications (features)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> following our policy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - 16 to 18/06: choose features that will be added for official
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> specifications of Mageia 3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - publish and communicate on it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia features policy:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Template for feature proposal:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature_Template">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature_Template</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please read carefully this policy and use the template. Once it's done,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> feel free to mail -dev if you think you need to discuss your feature and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> find people so that you can propose resources to work on it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ping all. Very few proposals for now. Please take some time to fill it,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's important for coming release
+</I>
+Is there an index page that makes it easy to see what features
+have already been submitted?
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+&gt;<i> But ideally it would be nice if there was only one way to setup a
+</I>&gt;<i> network.. and for me that means NetworkManager :). But drakxtools was
+</I>&gt;<i> more advanced IIRC, so first NetworkManager needs to get more advanced,
+</I>&gt;<i> more documentation, etc.
+</I>
+If networkmanager can be installed without having to install half of
+gnome, and adds things like text only interfaces, then having it
+replace drakx-net makes sense to me.
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:41:15 -0400, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But ideally it would be nice if there was only one way to setup a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> network.. and for me that means NetworkManager :). But drakxtools was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more advanced IIRC, so first NetworkManager needs to get more advanced,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more documentation, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If networkmanager can be installed without having to install half of
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome, and adds things like text only interfaces, then having it
+</I>&gt;<i> replace drakx-net makes sense to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If a non-gui minimall install can not be done, simply because it requires
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome, then it can't replace drakx-net, in my opinion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is like MCC and GNOME CC, network-manager is just a CLI tool,
+you have a Gnome tool to feed it and you can also make drakx-net feed
+NM with connection description files.
+
+Anyways, there is a point with NM that I find also useful, it can configure
+wifi interfaces at the user level, no need to store them in system
+hierarchy. drakx-* are more system-oriented. Think in shared laptops over
+enterprise wifis...
+
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+Can someone please remove the following packages ? I had a typo in the
+lib name and they where created with the wrong name (already fixed and
+resubmitted):
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+lib64chromapaint0-0.6-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm
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+    <B>David W. Hodgins</B> 
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+the package ncpfs should be obsoleted in Mageia 3, unless we have
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 05:02:35 -0400, Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ping all. Very few proposals for now. Please take some time to fill it,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's important for coming release
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there an index page that makes it easy to see what features
+</I>&gt;<i> have already been submitted?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I><A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:ProposedFeatureMageia3">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:ProposedFeatureMageia3</A>
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 6 juni 2012 01:04:05 schreef JA Magall&#243;n:
+&gt;<i> On 06/05/2012 11:41 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 10:44:31PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le 05/06/2012 16:20, Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Also, with latest NetworkManager, it seems you can do pretty advanced
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; network configurations (lacks UI). The UI is planned for GNOME 3.6.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; However, seems that loads of Mageia users have issues with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; NetworkManager, so not sure what to do. Perhaps safer to wait a year and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; hope that other distributions solve the bugs?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Approximatively 50% of those problems come from the coexistence with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; drakxtools and sysinit, conflicting for the control of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; interface, rather than actual problems in NM code. Waiting for them
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to magically disapear won't help much...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ah ok, but shouldn't that all be fixed now that the patch is back to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; make NetworkManager properly ignore stuff that it should ignore?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I tink it is _lot_ easier even for drakxtools to write a file into
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections that to mess with ifcfg-* files.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And NM is the only sane way to have, in my case, 4 or 5 WiFi configurations
+</I>&gt;<i> for the same interface and let it pick the right one depending on my
+</I>&gt;<i> location. It is just marvelous, and without any ifcfg-* file rewriting
+</I>&gt;<i> on the fly.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And I suppose it can also be done, but I never managed to do without NM:
+</I>&gt;<i> let my linux in the far corner of the house boot and connect to wifi
+</I>&gt;<i> without any user logged in...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So in my case, a big +1 for NM and kill all sysvinit files for network.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I acknowledge that I never tried to do bonding with NM, for example...
+</I>[...]
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+i need bonding and bridging and vlans, but what about AoE, or even STP in 
+bridging.
+
+next to wifi, what about vpns?
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+for NM to replace initscripts/drakxtools/mganetapplet it not only needs to do 
+all that, but have for KDE and Gnome AND other DE's a way to graphically do 
+all that, that's preferably the same.
+
+i guess this ties in the fact that imho gnome tries to do too much. maybe it 
+would be better to have a single graphic UI that can handle NM no matter the 
+DE.
+
+in any case, imho it's too soon for us to drop drakxtools/mganetapplet/if-cfg* 
+(if ever).
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+let's retalk about this for mga4.
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> We need official 12.6 driver (that currently is released as beta)
+</I>&gt;<i> One &quot;side-effect&quot; is that when we update to 12.6 AMD is dropping
+</I>&gt;<i> support in fglrx for every GPU older than HD5xxx so we need to
+</I>&gt;<i> push updated ldetect-lst at the same time to get automatic switch
+</I>&gt;<i> to ati driver for the older GPUs
+</I>
+thx for fixing vbox.
+
+As this is Cauldron, I think we shoold just move x11-server-1.12 and
+the rebuild drivers from */updates_testing back into {core,nonfree}/release
+then push fglrx.
+
+updated status:
+=============
+
+- major driver that were tested and works OK:
+ o video: fbdev intel nouveau nvidia radeon vesa
+ o input: evdev keyboard mouse synaptics wacom
+
+- major driver that do not work:
+ o video: fglrx
+
+- minor driver that would be nice to test:
+ o video: openchrome sis virtualbox vmware
+ o input: vmmouse
+
+The following minor drivers still fail to rebuild:
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+- x11-driver-video-sisimedia
+- x11-driver-video-sisusb
+- x11-driver-video-xgi
+
+Waiting for you to test on more real HW...
+Mainly : fglrx
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 06/06/12 08:54 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 5 June 2012 18:46, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We need official 12.6 driver (that currently is released as beta)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One &quot;side-effect&quot; is that when we update to 12.6 AMD is dropping
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> support in fglrx for every GPU older than HD5xxx so we need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> push updated ldetect-lst at the same time to get automatic switch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to ati driver for the older GPUs
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> thx for fixing vbox.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> As this is Cauldron, I think we shoold just move x11-server-1.12 and
+</I>&gt;<i> the rebuild drivers from */updates_testing back into {core,nonfree}/release
+</I>&gt;<i> then push fglrx.
+</I>
+Yup the core testing is complete. I'd say go for it.
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+</I>&gt;<i> - sync tarball lua-5.2.0.tar.gz
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+&gt;&gt;<i> blue_prawn &lt;blue_prawn&gt; 5.2.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 253448
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - sync tarball lua-5.2.0.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update to last version lua-5.2.0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please introduce back lua-5.1 as lua51 (the same way we have lua50) as this
+</I>&gt;<i> breaks building of rpm.
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+Actuall I did it .
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We need official 12.6 driver (that currently is released as beta)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> One &quot;side-effect&quot; is that when we update to 12.6 AMD is dropping
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> support in fglrx for every GPU older than HD5xxx so we need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> push updated ldetect-lst at the same time to get automatic switch
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to ati driver for the older GPUs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thx for fixing vbox.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As this is Cauldron, I think we shoold just move x11-server-1.12 and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the rebuild drivers from */updates_testing back into {core,nonfree}/release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then push fglrx.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup the core testing is complete. I'd say go for it.
+</I>
+Can someone move core/updates_testing/{virtual,dkms,x11}* into core/release?
+Likewise for nonfree/updates_testing =&gt; nonfree/release
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+&gt;<i> If a non-gui minimall install can not be done, simply because it requires
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome, then it can't replace drakx-net, in my opinion.
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+Full agreed. My aim is not to push GNOME stuff.
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+either gtk+,glib or qt), and a well working CLI should be available (I
+didn't like nmcli). Furthermore, enough documentation. E.g. NM can run
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+&gt;<i> Can someone move core/updates_testing/{virtual,dkms,x11}* into core/release?
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+&gt;<i> Likewise for nonfree/updates_testing =&gt; nonfree/release
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+<PRE>06.06.2012 15:37, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 06/06/12 13:12 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone move core/updates_testing/{virtual,dkms,x11}* into core/release?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Likewise for nonfree/updates_testing =&gt;  nonfree/release
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+</I>&gt;<i> Presumably with the exception of x11-server in nonfree/updates_testing
+</I>&gt;<i> which should be deleted?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
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+</I>
+Or simply nuke all testing rpms and properly resubmit the whole set 
+through bs, makeing it clean up older rpms in */release automatically.
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
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+Because of the avalanche of support requests that doktor5000 received in 
+the forum, this proposal for a non-free DVD iso
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Non-free_DVD_iso">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Non-free_DVD_iso</A>
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+Nonfree driver issues are among the most reported users need help with.
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+Feel free to enhance the proposal, for many fields I didn't know what to 
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+Cheers,
+Marja
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 06/06/2012 15:11, Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because of the avalanche of support requests that doktor5000 received in
+</I>&gt;<i> the forum, this proposal for a non-free DVD iso
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Non-free_DVD_iso">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Non-free_DVD_iso</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nonfree driver issues are among the most reported users need help with.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Feel free to enhance the proposal, for many fields I didn't know what to
+</I>&gt;<i> put there.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marja
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+About that one, we would like to have a discussion about *all* install 
+media. We have zillions of proposal and thinking about a global proposal 
+will be more efficient.
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+&gt;<i> Or simply nuke all testing rpms and properly resubmit the whole set through bs, makeing it
+</I>&gt;<i> clean up older rpms in */release automatically.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -- 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yeah, sounds like a better idea.
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+    <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> 
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 6 juin 2012 15:10:12, Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> As usual it will be at 19hUTC on #mageia-dev. Here are the proposed
+</I>&gt;<i> topics:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - post-mortem review
+</I>&gt;<i> - collaboration policy
+</I>&gt;<i> - features
+</I>&gt;<i> - backports
+</I>&gt;<i> - non-free firmware management
+</I>&gt;<i> - mentoring review
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>
+And if possible finding a solution for bug 2317 (MageiaUpdate not being able 
+to install deps from release media) which caused new troubles after Mageia 1 
+to Mageia 2 upgrade, like we said during last QA team meeting.
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi.
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+I have a package which I want to add in Mageia. My only problem is that the package is big, 123MB, and it would take ages to upload on a 400kbps available uplink
+Is there some way I can make the mageia servers to download the source from the upstream proider, so I don't have to upload this huge file?
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+I notice that mgarepo have a &quot;switch&quot; tag available which &quot;relocate to mirror or upstream repository&quot;. But there is no documentation on how I'm suppose to use it, that I can find.
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+I can tell you right now that if I can't figure out how to make the servers download sources from the upstream provider, I am not uploading or maintaning packages which are more than a few MB, as I don't have the available bandwith do do it.
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a package which I want to add in Mageia. My only problem is that the package is big, 123MB, and it would take ages to upload on a 400kbps available uplink
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there some way I can make the mageia servers to download the source from the upstream proider, so I don't have to upload this huge file?
+</I>
+It's not possible at the moment.
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+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I notice that mgarepo have a &quot;switch&quot; tag available which &quot;relocate to mirror or upstream repository&quot;. But there is no documentation on how I'm suppose to use it, that I can find.
+</I>
+The switch option is useful if you want to checkout from an svn
+repository. Then commit on a different repository.
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+<PRE>On Tue, 05 Jun 2012, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone please remove the following packages ? I had a typo in the
+</I>&gt;<i> lib name and they where created with the wrong name (already fixed and
+</I>&gt;<i> resubmitted):
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64chromapaint0-0.6-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64chromapaint0-devel-0.6-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> On 2 June 2012 18:42, blue_prawn &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; blue_prawn &lt;blue_prawn&gt; 5.2.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 253448
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - sync tarball lua-5.2.0.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - update to last version lua-5.2.0
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please introduce back lua-5.1 as lua51 (the same way we have lua50) as this
+</I>&gt;<i> breaks building of rpm.
+</I>
+Under Debian they have liblua5.1 and they compile with -llua5.1
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I have a package which I want to add in Mageia. My only problem is
+</I>&gt;<i> that the package is big, 123MB, and it would take ages to upload on a
+</I>&gt;<i> 400kbps available uplink Is there some way I can make the mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> servers to download the source from the upstream proider, so I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> have to upload this huge file?
+</I>
+I can upload the file for you. 123MB is not too big (~580KB/s of upload)
+
+Just give me the spec file so I can do a mgarepo sync -d.
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+For another release, not sure what is best.
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; blue_prawn &lt;blue_prawn&gt; 5.2.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 253448
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - sync tarball lua-5.2.0.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - update to last version lua-5.2.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please introduce back lua-5.1 as lua51 (the same way we have lua50) as this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> breaks building of rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Under Debian they have liblua5.1 and they compile with -llua5.1
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+Which is what do my lua5.1 package (that I'll commit &amp; upload tonight)
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+&gt;<i> Maybe we could create a symlink for compatibility with them ?
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Le mercredi 6 juin 2012 15:10:12, Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As usual it will be at 19hUTC on #mageia-dev. Here are the proposed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> topics:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - post-mortem review
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - collaboration policy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - features
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - non-free firmware management
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - mentoring review
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And if possible finding a solution for bug 2317 (MageiaUpdate not being
+</I>&gt;<i> able
+</I>&gt;<i> to install deps from release media) which caused new troubles after Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> 1
+</I>&gt;<i> to Mageia 2 upgrade, like we said during last QA team meeting.
+</I>
+does this suffice:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UpdatesCanUseDependenciesFromOtherRepos">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UpdatesCanUseDependenciesFromOtherRepos</A>
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+    <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> 
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 6 juin 2012 15:10:12, Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As usual it will be at 19hUTC on #mageia-dev. Here are the proposed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; topics:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - post-mortem review
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - collaboration policy
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - features
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - non-free firmware management
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - mentoring review
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And if possible finding a solution for bug 2317 (MageiaUpdate not being
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; able
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to install deps from release media) which caused new troubles after
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia 1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to Mageia 2 upgrade, like we said during last QA team meeting.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> does this suffice:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UpdatesCanUseDependenciesFromOtherRepo">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UpdatesCanUseDependenciesFromOtherRepo</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> s ?
+</I>
+It is good to have it in specs for Mageia 3, but solving it is more in the 
+domain of maintenance for Mageia 2, were a number of package updates are 
+likely to fail after an upgrade from Mageia 1 to Mageia 2 (that, plus the 
+already known need to workaround from QA team when new dependencies are 
+added to a package).
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+So what we said during QA team meeting, where ennael was present, is that 
+we'd like to bring it to packager meeting so that a definitive solution is 
+found in a near future, it possible.
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Just give me the spec file so I can do a mgarepo sync -d.
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+I made a tarball with the spec, a patch and an destop file icon.
+<A HREF="http://www.solbu.net/progs/triplea.tar.gz">http://www.solbu.net/progs/triplea.tar.gz</A> (3,9k)
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+On Jun 6, 2012 10:19 AM, &quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 05 Jun 2012, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Can someone please remove the following packages ? I had a typo in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lib name and they where created with the wrong name (already fixed and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; resubmitted):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
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+On 05/06/12 10:02, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 30/05/2012 23:43, Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is the process:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - until 15/06: make proposals for Mageia 3 specifications 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (features) following our policy - 16 to 18/06: choose features
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that will be added for official specifications of Mageia 3 -
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> publish and communicate on it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia features policy:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy</A> Template for feature
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proposal: <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature_Template">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature_Template</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please read carefully this policy and use the template. Once
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's done, feel free to mail -dev if you think you need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> discuss your feature and find people so that you can propose
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> resources to work on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> ping all. Very few proposals for now. Please take some time to
+</I>&gt;<i> fill it, it's important for coming release
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Not, perhaps, the technical proposals that you are looking for, but if I
+may I'd like to raise a small issue.
+
+One thing that has always been annoying to me, in Mandrake, Mandriva
+and now Mageia, is the proliferation of entries in the Grub menu by
+the time you've done a few updates.  Fedora get around this by having
+a line in the yum configuration file that limits it to the last 3
+kernels installed.  Would it be possible to do something similar?
+
+I know I can get rid of them manually, but it would be better if less
+experienced users didn't meet the problem :-)
+
+Anne
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+I'll start pushing x11-server 1.12 to core/release.
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+Now we have tested it some already with rpms in &quot;core updates testing&quot;
+and think it is ready for all to start testing and use it.
+
+So you might whant to wait with updating until all needed packages are
+rebuilt.
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+I will post a follow-up message to this mail when it should be safe to
+upgrade.
+
+
+NOTE!
+
+For those of you using the proprietary AMD fglrx driver, I will
+upload fglrx 8.98 (Catalyst 12.6beta) as it's the first one to
+support the new x11-server.
+
+But Amd has dropped support for any hw older than HD5000 in the
+new driver so you need to switch to the free driver if you have
+older hw. (there is some rumours of a fglrx-legacy in the works,
+but I dont know when/if it will show up, or what it will support)
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+So you have been warned :)
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+--
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+&gt;<i> tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 1:1.4.1-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 256313
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for core/release
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll start pushing x11-server 1.12 to core/release.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Now we have tested it some already with rpms in &quot;core updates testing&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> and think it is ready for all to start testing and use it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So you might whant to wait with updating until all needed packages are
+</I>&gt;<i> rebuilt.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I will post a follow-up message to this mail when it should be safe to
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+
+And all packages are now rebuilt, and available on primary mirror so
+they should soon be on your preferred mirror...
+
+Note for Amd / Ati users:
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+if you make sure you get the package: ldetect-lst-0.1.304-1.mga3
+installed too before rebooting, then the switch from fglrx to free
+radeon driver on affected cards should happend automatically...
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+--
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 6 June 2012 13:28, Florent Monnier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">monnier.florent at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; blue_prawn &lt;blue_prawn&gt; 5.2.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 253448
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - sync tarball lua-5.2.0.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - update to last version lua-5.2.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please introduce back lua-5.1 as lua51 (the same way we have lua50) as this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> breaks building of rpm.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Under Debian they have liblua5.1 and they compile with -llua5.1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which is what do my lua5.1 package (that I'll commit &amp; upload tonight)
+</I>
+i have fixed the buildrequires, now this is available.
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+    <B>Charles A Edwards</B> 
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+luigiwalser wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name        : mplayer                      Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 1.0                               Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 1.rc4.0.r34991.1.mga3         Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Wed Jun  6 00:04:41 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group       :
+</I>&gt;<i> Video                         Source RPM: (none) Size        :
+</I>&gt;<i> 11793785                         License: GPLv2 Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : luigiwalser &lt;luigiwalser&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://www.mplayerhq.hu">http://www.mplayerhq.hu</A>
+</I>
+
+1.0 has been shelved.
+
+This is version 1.1, release 1.r34991.x.mga3
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+
+    Charles
+
+-- 
+We have met the enemy, and he is us.
+		-- Walt Kelly
+----------------------
+Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+Registered Linux user #182463
+3.4.1-tmb-server-1.mga3 x86_64
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Giving%20maint%20or%20comaint%20for%20the%20packages%20here%20-%0A%20http%3A//check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/updates.html&In-Reply-To=%3C20120607014332.4d172565%40lap.shlomifish.org%3E"
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+to help with unmaintained Mageia packages, my apprentice and I decided to
+make new releases to the packages here that belong to you:
+<A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/updates.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/updates.html</A> .
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+My question is: are you planning to continue maintaining them yourself? Or can
+you give maintainer or co-maintainer (assuming the latter exists) status to us?
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+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish 
+
+-- 
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
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+Stop Using MSIE - <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/no-ie/">http://www.shlomifish.org/no-ie/</A>
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+If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
+    &#8212; Unknown
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> luigiwalser &lt;luigiwalser&gt; 1.0-1.rc4.0.r34991.1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 256023
+</I>&gt;<i> - update to new svn snapshot r34991 (sync with mdv)
+</I>
+mplayer-1.1: <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTExNDg">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTExNDg</A>
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
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+AFAIK, there isn't an easy way to find the last sign of life of a 
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+The last sign of life of:
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+supp (Tom&#225;&#353; Kindl)  was on *2011-11-24* when he changed the status of 
+bug 3429 to ASSIGNED
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+shikamaru (R&#233;my Clouard) was on 2012-05-31, when he commented in bug 
+2822. That looks like he's still alive, however, his last sign of life 
+in a &quot;ruby-*&quot; bug was on *2011-10-22*, in bug 3070
+
+cjw alias spturtle (Christiaan Welvaart) was on *2011-12-30*, when he 
+commented in bug 2157
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+I only checked those three. There is undoubtedly a fast way to get a 
+list with the last sign of life of everyone in that ml. I don't know how 
+to do that.
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+<PRE>gioved&#236; 7 giugno 2012 alle 00:43, Shlomi Fish ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> My question is: are you planning to continue maintaining them yourself? Or can
+</I>&gt;<i> you give maintainer or co-maintainer (assuming the latter exists) status to us?
+</I>Well no policy on co-maintainance at the moment, that i know.
+But that is possible anyway. At least i share packages with Matteo (aka pasmatt
+or matteo) and that means if one of us can't do the work the other does, for the most.
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+On 2012.06.07, at 10:09, guillomovitch wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name        : openssh                      Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 6.0p1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
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+I have a problem with ssh updates...
+Each time openssh-server is updated, it restarts immediately even in middle
+of an urpmi group update, so you loose the connection to the box and
+urpmi breaks in the middle, so uninstalls are not processed:
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+cicely:~# urpmi openssh-server
+To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
+  Package                        Version      Release       Arch    
+(medium &quot;Core Release&quot;)
+  openssh                        6.0p1        1.mga3        x86_64  
+  openssh-askpass                6.0p1        1.mga3        x86_64  
+  openssh-askpass-gnome          6.0p1        1.mga3        x86_64  
+  openssh-clients                6.0p1        1.mga3        x86_64  
+  openssh-server                 6.0p1        1.mga3        x86_64  
+32KB of additional disk space will be used.
+813KB of packages will be retrieved.
+Proceed with the installation of the 5 packages? (Y/n) 
+
+
+    <A HREF="http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.cauldron.x86_64.list:">http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.cauldron.x86_64.list:</A> media/core/release/openssh-server-6.0p1-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+    <A HREF="http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.cauldron.x86_64.list:">http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.cauldron.x86_64.list:</A> media/core/release/openssh-askpass-6.0p1-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+    <A HREF="http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.cauldron.x86_64.list:">http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.cauldron.x86_64.list:</A> media/core/release/openssh-askpass-gnome-6.0p1-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+    <A HREF="http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.cauldron.x86_64.list:">http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.cauldron.x86_64.list:</A> media/core/release/openssh-clients-6.0p1-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+    <A HREF="http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.cauldron.x86_64.list:">http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.cauldron.x86_64.list:</A> media/core/release/openssh-6.0p1-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+installing openssh-askpass-6.0p1-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm openssh-server-6.0p1-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm openssh-askpass-gnome-6.0p1-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm openssh-6.0p1-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm openssh-clients-6.0p1-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+Preparing...                     ######################################################################
+      1/5: openssh               ######################################################################
+      2/5: openssh-clients       ######################################################################
+      3/5: openssh-server        ######################################################################
+Connection to cicely closed by remote host.
+Connection to cicely closed.
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+belly:~&gt; ssh <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at cicely</A>
+Last login: Thu Jun  7 11:54:30 2012 from belly.cps.unizar.es
+cicely:~# rpm -qa openssh*
+openssh-5.9p1-5.mga2
+openssh-6.0p1-1.mga3
+openssh-askpass-common-5.9p1-5.mga2
+openssh-server-5.9p1-5.mga2
+openssh-askpass-5.9p1-5.mga2
+openssh-clients-6.0p1-1.mga3
+openssh-clients-5.9p1-5.mga2
+openssh-askpass-gnome-5.9p1-5.mga2
+openssh-server-6.0p1-1.mga3
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+Previuosly this was not the case, I don't know if it is a problem in
+owns openssh %post* or is related to systemd, that realizes the binary change
+and does something.
+
+Restarting sshd under sysvinit does not kill active connections, that is
+the case on a CentOS box and was in Mageia under sysvinit.
+
+This looks like a serious issue...mostly for remote admin.
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+--
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+<PRE>07.06.2012 13:02, JA Magall&#243;n skrev:
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 2012.06.07, at 10:09, guillomovitch wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : openssh                      Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 6.0p1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a problem with ssh updates...
+</I>&gt;<i> Each time openssh-server is updated, it restarts immediately even in middle
+</I>&gt;<i> of an urpmi group update, so you loose the connection to the box and
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi breaks in the middle, so uninstalls are not processed:
+</I>
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#SSH_daemon">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#SSH_daemon</A>
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+On 2012.06.07, at 12:17, Thomas Backlund wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 07.06.2012 13:02, JA Magall&#243;n skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 2012.06.07, at 10:09, guillomovitch wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : openssh                      Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 6.0p1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have a problem with ssh updates...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Each time openssh-server is updated, it restarts immediately even in middle
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of an urpmi group update, so you loose the connection to the box and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi breaks in the middle, so uninstalls are not processed:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#SSH_daemon">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#SSH_daemon</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Thanks !!
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+--
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt;     \               Software is like sex:
+                                         \         It's better when it's free
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 06/06/2012 15:10, Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> As usual it will be at 19hUTC on #mageia-dev. Here are the proposed topics:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - post-mortem review
+</I>&gt;<i> - collaboration policy
+</I>&gt;<i> - features
+</I>&gt;<i> - backports
+</I>&gt;<i> - non-free firmware management
+</I>&gt;<i> - mentoring review
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Here are the logs of the meeting:
+<A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-06-06-19.10.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-06-06-19.10.html</A>
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> One thing that has always been annoying to me, in Mandrake, Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> and now Mageia, is the proliferation of entries in the Grub menu by
+</I>&gt;<i> the time you've done a few updates.  Fedora get around this by having
+</I>&gt;<i> a line in the yum configuration file that limits it to the last 3
+</I>&gt;<i> kernels installed.  Would it be possible to do something similar?
+</I>I like that could you please add it to proposals?
+
+Maybe someone will adopt it :)
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+This bug has been raised during last packagers meeting. This has been a 
+big discussion since ages now. And dealing specifically with Mageia, 
+it's causing lots of troubles also in QA team.
+
+After discussions yesterday evening, it seems solutions do exist. But 
+still it needs some volunteers to work on.
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+Comments, proposals...
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+Cheers
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This bug has been raised during last packagers meeting. This has been a big 
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion since ages now. And dealing specifically with Mageia, it's 
+</I>&gt;<i> causing lots of troubles also in QA team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After discussions yesterday evening, it seems solutions do exist. But still 
+</I>&gt;<i> it needs some volunteers to work on.
+</I>
+Main concern seems to be that it could make MageiaUpdate very slow. So
+what is needed is a patch to make MageiaUpdate use only update medias
+when searching for new updates, but all medias when installing. And some
+tests to compare speed before and after applying patch, to check if it
+is still acceptable.
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+<PRE>Le 06/06/2012 11:09, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 2 June 2012 18:42, blue_prawn&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blue_prawn&lt;blue_prawn&gt;  5.2.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 253448
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - sync tarball lua-5.2.0.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update to last version lua-5.2.0
+</I>I can't build rrdtool lua binding with this latest version, with just a 
+configure error:
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+/tmp/ccZEby7U.o: In function `main':
+/home/guillaume/work/mageia/cauldron/rrdtool/BUILD/rrdtool-1.4.7/conftest.c:127: 
+undefined reference to `lua_call'
+collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
+
+Does anyone else have any similar trouble ?
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #279:
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+The static electricity routing is acting up...
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+    <B>Anne Wilson</B> 
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+On 07/06/12 14:33, Angelo Naselli wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> One thing that has always been annoying to me, in Mandrake,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva and now Mageia, is the proliferation of entries in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Grub menu by the time you've done a few updates.  Fedora get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> around this by having a line in the yum configuration file that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> limits it to the last 3 kernels installed.  Would it be possible
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to do something similar?
+</I>&gt;<i> I like that could you please add it to proposals?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe someone will adopt it :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>OK - I've done that.  (Apologies for first editing the template - I've
+rolled it back, so there should be no damage.)
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels</A>
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+I feel guilty in requesting work when I have no coding skills myself,
+however, I am sure that there will be some tasks somewhere that you
+can give me.
+
+Anne
+Maintainer: <A HREF="http://userbase.kde.org">http://userbase.kde.org</A>
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels</A>
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+Please tell me how I, a non-coder, can help.
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+    <B>David</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] No updated Cauldron packages?">dgboles at gmail.com
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+&lt;<A HREF="http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.cauldron.x86_64.list">http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.cauldron.x86_64.list</A>&gt;
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+I am assigned:
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+&lt;<A HREF="rsync://distro.ibiblio.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/">rsync://distro.ibiblio.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/</A>&gt;
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+as my local mirror. This site has not had any updated packages for 
+several days.
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+Is this a Mageia system wide problem or just a problem with this mirror?
+-- 
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+    <B>Charles A Edwards</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09openssl-1.0.1c-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C20120607124318.3b165df8%40SuperSize.eslrahc.com%3E"
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+guillomovitch wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name        : openssl                      Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 1.0.1c                            Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Thu Jun  7 14:10:35 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group       :
+</I>&gt;<i> System/Libraries              Source RPM: (none) Size        :
+</I>&gt;<i> 4515010                          License: BSD-like Signature   :
+</I>&gt;<i> (none) Packager    : guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://www.openssl.org/">http://www.openssl.org/</A>
+</I>
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+Installation failed:
+	file /usr/lib64/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 from
+install of lib64openssl1.0.1-1.0.1c-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file
+from package lib64openssl1.0.0-1.0.0j-1.mga2.x86_64	
+	file /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0 from install of
+lib64openssl1.0.1-1.0.1c-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+lib64openssl1.0.0-1.0.0j-1.mga2.x86_64
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+    Charles
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+-- 
+[after Peter tells Lois an outlandish story] 
+Brian:  Congratulations, Peter. You're the Spalding Gray of crap.
+----------------------
+Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+Registered Linux user #182463
+3.4.1-tmb-server-1.mga3 x86_64
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Using:
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+</I>&gt;<i> I am assigned:
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+</I>&gt;<i> as my local mirror. This site has not had any updated packages for several 
+</I>&gt;<i> days.
+</I>
+I can see new packages on this mirror.
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+&gt;<i>For those of you using the proprietary AMD fglrx driver, I will
+</I>&gt;<i>upload fglrx 8.98 (Catalyst 12.6beta) as it's the first one to
+</I>&gt;<i>support the new x11-server.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>But Amd has dropped support for any hw older than HD5000 in the
+</I>&gt;<i>new driver so you need to switch to the free driver if you have
+</I>&gt;<i>older hw. (there is some rumours of a fglrx-legacy in the works,
+</I>&gt;<i>but I dont know when/if it will show up, or what it will support)
+</I>
+Thanks. It works for Cauldron quality. But is has a nasty splash:
+'AMD
+Testing 
+use only'
+though transparent - in the lower righthand corner the size of 4 desktop
+icons which goes away only during use of some tabs in catalyst control,
+when the big '2' is on top of everything. Alas.
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+&gt;<i> On Thu,  7 Jun 2012 14:18:28 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;<i> guillomovitch wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : openssl                      Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 1.0.1c                            Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thu Jun  7 14:10:35 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group       :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> System/Libraries              Source RPM: (none) Size        :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 4515010                          License: BSD-like Signature   :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (none) Packager    : guillomovitch&lt;guillomovitch&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://www.openssl.org/">http://www.openssl.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed:
+</I>&gt;<i> 	file /usr/lib64/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 from
+</I>&gt;<i> install of lib64openssl1.0.1-1.0.1c-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file
+</I>&gt;<i> from package lib64openssl1.0.0-1.0.0j-1.mga2.x86_64	
+</I>&gt;<i> 	file /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0 from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64openssl1.0.1-1.0.1c-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64openssl1.0.0-1.0.0j-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>      Charles
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>same here
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+&gt;<i> On 06/07/2012 06:43 PM, Charles A Edwards wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu,  7 Jun 2012 14:18:28 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> guillomovitch wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : openssl                      Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 1.0.1c                            Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thu Jun  7 14:10:35 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group       :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> System/Libraries              Source RPM: (none) Size        :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 4515010                          License: BSD-like Signature   :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (none) Packager    : guillomovitch&lt;guillomovitch&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://www.openssl.org/">http://www.openssl.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     file /usr/lib64/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install of lib64openssl1.0.1-1.0.1c-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from package lib64openssl1.0.0-1.0.0j-1.mga2.x86_64   
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     file /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0 from install of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64openssl1.0.1-1.0.1c-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64openssl1.0.0-1.0.0j-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      Charles
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> same here
+</I>&gt;<i> 
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 19:28:26 +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote about
+</I>&gt;<i> [Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For those of you using the proprietary AMD fglrx driver, I will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upload fglrx 8.98 (Catalyst 12.6beta) as it's the first one to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> support the new x11-server.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But Amd has dropped support for any hw older than HD5000 in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> new driver so you need to switch to the free driver if you have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> older hw. (there is some rumours of a fglrx-legacy in the works,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but I dont know when/if it will show up, or what it will support)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks. It works for Cauldron quality. But is has a nasty splash:
+</I>&gt;<i> 'AMD
+</I>&gt;<i> Testing
+</I>&gt;<i> use only'
+</I>&gt;<i> though transparent - in the lower righthand corner the size of 4 desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> icons which goes away only during use of some tabs in catalyst control,
+</I>&gt;<i> when the big '2' is on top of everything. Alas.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thats because it is not signed upstream.
+
+You can try to backup old file:
+mv /etc/ati/signature /etc/ati/signature.orig
+and copy the /etc/ati/signature from previous package
+(I saw it on the net, but I'm not sure it actually will work)
+and add it to /etc/ati/signature on your system.
+
+For simplicity I have an extracted signature here:
+<A HREF="http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/Cauldron/testing/fglrx/signature">http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/Cauldron/testing/fglrx/signature</A>
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+if it does not work, just rename the backup file back and reboot again
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Dick Gevers skrev 7.6.2012 21:04:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 19:28:26 +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For those of you using the proprietary AMD fglrx driver, I will
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upload fglrx 8.98 (Catalyst 12.6beta) as it's the first one to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> support the new x11-server.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But Amd has dropped support for any hw older than HD5000 in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> new driver so you need to switch to the free driver if you have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> older hw. (there is some rumours of a fglrx-legacy in the works,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but I dont know when/if it will show up, or what it will support)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks. It works for Cauldron quality. But is has a nasty splash:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'AMD
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Testing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> use only'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> though transparent - in the lower righthand corner the size of 4 desktop
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> icons which goes away only during use of some tabs in catalyst control,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when the big '2' is on top of everything. Alas.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thats because it is not signed upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can try to backup old file:
+</I>&gt;<i> mv /etc/ati/signature /etc/ati/signature.orig
+</I>&gt;<i> and copy the /etc/ati/signature from previous package
+</I>&gt;<i> (I saw it on the net, but I'm not sure it actually will work)
+</I>&gt;<i> and add it to /etc/ati/signature on your system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For simplicity I have an extracted signature here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/Cauldron/testing/fglrx/signature">http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/Cauldron/testing/fglrx/signature</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if it does not work, just rename the backup file back and reboot again
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And you can then try the sed hack here if you want:
+<A HREF="http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/20055/howto-amd-fglrx-in-wheezy/">http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/20055/howto-amd-fglrx-in-wheezy/</A>
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+wally wrote:
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+&gt;<i> This package is used to obsolete packages that are no longer
+</I>&gt;<i> supported.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> wally &lt;wally&gt; 3-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 257115
+</I>&gt;<i> - obsolete mousepad and xfprint
+</I>
+Just because we are dropping a pkg from the distro Does Not mean that
+the pkg either needs to be or should be obsoleted.
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+Both mousepad and xfprint still work in mga3 and it should be up to the
+user whether he wishes to remove them from his system.
+
+I pushed for the removal of both apps from the mirrors, as they are
+dead, upstream but I strongly object to the practice of adding Any
+working application to task-obsolete.
+
+My loathing is such that task-obsolete is the #1 on my urpmi skip.list.
+
+
+    Charles
+
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+-- 
+It's hard to keep your shirt on when you're getting something off your
+chest. ----------------------
+Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
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+Il 07/06/2012 18:11, Anne Wilson ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> I feel guilty in requesting work when I have no coding skills
+</I>&gt;<i> myself, however, I am sure that there will be some tasks somewhere
+</I>&gt;<i> that you can give me.
+</I>If you are talking about general help, I think you can ask to QA,
+i believe they need help (reading bugs, assigning, etc) or I think you
+are very good at following forum, but that depends on the time you can
+spend on it :)
+
+Have a look at [1] and see if there is something in which you think
+you can help ;)
+
+Cheers,
+	Angelo
+
+[1] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Contributing">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Contributing</A>
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+On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 10:44:31PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 05/06/2012 16:20, Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;Also, with latest NetworkManager, it seems you can do pretty advanced
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;network configurations (lacks UI).
+</I>
+lacks UI part is probably the most problematic issue today.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;However, seems that loads of Mageia users have issues with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;NetworkManager [...]
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> Approximatively 50% of those problems come from the coexistence with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drakxtools and sysinit, conflicting for the control of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interface, rather than actual problems in NM code.
+</I>
+Doesn't match my personal problems where I can only successfully setup
+a connection when I use a combination of both, because of the
+abovementioned lack of UI for &quot;basic&quot; (or better: essential)
+configuration item, namely setting CRDA comain.
+
+&gt;<i> Ah ok, but shouldn't that all be fixed now that the patch is back to
+</I>&gt;<i> make NetworkManager properly ignore stuff that it should ignore?
+</I>
+Nope. Network manager needs to have the featues that are currently
+lacking, but that net-applet did provide.
+
+* Setting CRDA domain
+* Allowing to setup static IP before setting up a connection with DHCP first
+* Leave hostname alone unless explicitly asked for changing it. (there
+is no option to disable it, so when using dhcp NM will change your
+hostname when the router suggests one, rendering your x-session
+unusable for administrative tools that then no longer can connect to
+the user's X-session)
+* allow to configure wireless netorks without those networks being
+available. You cannot preconfigure an access point without it actually
+be in reach. With preconfiguring I mainly mean assign the
+passphrase/authentification options.
+
+&gt;<i> But drakxtools was
+</I>&gt;<i> more advanced IIRC, so first NetworkManager needs to get more advanced,
+</I>&gt;<i> more documentation, etc.
+</I>
+NM in the beta iso was a horrible experience, and now it halfway works
+in the release, but my sympathies still are with drakxtools..
+
+&gt;<i> All bugs above are really server like things. I thought drakxtools still
+</I>&gt;<i> was better at setting up Wifi; and I think that is more important to get
+</I>&gt;<i> right than vlan/bridging/etc.
+</I>
+I absolutely agree. drakxtools didn't have any problem with open, WEP,
+WPA, be it with pre-shared keys or enterprise-style. Adding a VPN
+tunnel was easy as well (apart from the bug that the tun-device had to
+be added to the firewall manually, thankfully only once).
+
+Only bug with netapplet/drakx tools is that it doesn't properly handle
+static IP configuration after having connected to a dhcp network. Have
+to manually disconnect and reconnect to make use of static IP. Didn't
+have chance yet to check with NM...
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+ciao
+Christian
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+    <I>Fri Jun  8 04:11:50 CEST 2012</I>
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+&gt;<i> Using:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.cauldron.x86_64.list">http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.cauldron.x86_64.list</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am assigned:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="rsync://distro.ibiblio.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/">rsync://distro.ibiblio.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> as my local mirror. This site has not had any updated packages for
+</I>&gt;<i> several days.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this a Mageia system wide problem or just a problem with this mirror?
+</I>
+FIxed
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+    <B>Jani V&#228;limaa</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Thu,  7 Jun 2012 21:46:50 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;<i> wally wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This package is used to obsolete packages that are no longer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supported.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wally &lt;wally&gt; 3-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 257115
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - obsolete mousepad and xfprint
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Just because we are dropping a pkg from the distro Does Not mean that
+</I>&gt;<i> the pkg either needs to be or should be obsoleted.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Both mousepad and xfprint still work in mga3 and it should be up to the
+</I>&gt;<i> user whether he wishes to remove them from his system.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I pushed for the removal of both apps from the mirrors, as they are
+</I>&gt;<i> dead, upstream but I strongly object to the practice of adding Any
+</I>&gt;<i> working application to task-obsolete.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> My loathing is such that task-obsolete is the #1 on my urpmi skip.list.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yep.. <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2012-June/004459.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2012-June/004459.html</A>
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels</A>
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+    <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> 
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+are supported (security, bugfix), we need a way to push backport updates for 
+users who installed backports. Otherwise, we can't really say that we're 
+providing security updates to our backports.
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+My feature proposal is to implement something similar to what mgaonline + 
+MageiaUpdate does for updates, but for backports, with some changes due to the 
+fact that users will rarely want that &quot;all&quot; packages on the system be updated 
+from backports when the backports media are activated.
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+I don't think I can do the dev myself. I can work on more detailed 
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+Proposed Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels:
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+&gt;<i><A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i>Please tell me how I, a non-coder, can help.
+</I>
+My comments:
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+out before people start to backport packages. 
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+&quot;We need to ensure that upgrades never fail: cauldron must always have a 
+higher version/release than in stable releases.&quot;
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+This statement is true, but implies more than what it says. It means that we 
+can't backport a package for Mageia 1 with a higher version than what we have 
+in Mageia 2 release (and updates?) media. And this, until we are able to take 
+backports into account during upgrades.
+
+Example :
+- Mageia 2 has wesnoth 1.10.2 in core/release
+- Mageia 1 can't get a higher version in its backports media 
+
+Do you all agree with my understanding of the policy ?
+
+This is a serious limitation to our ability to backport to Mageia (n-1) and 
+even to our ability to provide security fixes to backports there (will not 
+prevent it, but will prevent to do it by a version upgrade, which is the 
+common way to fix that kind of issue in backports).
+
+Maybe we shouldn't open backports for Mageia 1, and make sure upgrade to 
+Mageia 3 can take backports from Mageia 2 into account so that backports to 
+Mageia 2 are not stopped when Mageia 3 is released. Then we'll be safe.
+
+Samuel
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+&gt;<i>Thats because it is not signed upstream.
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+&gt;<i>For simplicity I have an extracted signature here:
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I re-read the backports policy, and there's a part I think needs to be pointed 
+</I>&gt;<i> out before people start to backport packages. 
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;We need to ensure that upgrades never fail: cauldron must always have a 
+</I>&gt;<i> higher version/release than in stable releases.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This statement is true, but implies more than what it says. It means that we 
+</I>&gt;<i> can't backport a package for Mageia 1 with a higher version than what we have 
+</I>&gt;<i> in Mageia 2 release (and updates?) media. And this, until we are able to take 
+</I>&gt;<i> backports into account during upgrades.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Example :
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mageia 2 has wesnoth 1.10.2 in core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mageia 1 can't get a higher version in its backports media 
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you all agree with my understanding of the policy ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a serious limitation to our ability to backport to Mageia (n-1) and 
+</I>&gt;<i> even to our ability to provide security fixes to backports there (will not 
+</I>&gt;<i> prevent it, but will prevent to do it by a version upgrade, which is the 
+</I>&gt;<i> common way to fix that kind of issue in backports).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we shouldn't open backports for Mageia 1, and make sure upgrade to 
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 3 can take backports from Mageia 2 into account so that backports to 
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 2 are not stopped when Mageia 3 is released. Then we'll be safe.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>I think backports should be open until new stable is released. So we should not open
+backports for mga1 and when mga2 is released then backports for mga2 will be closed.
+It's the only way we can manage upgrades with our current packager resources.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 10:49:42, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 08.06.2012 11:38, Samuel Verschelde kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I re-read the backports policy, and there's a part I think needs to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pointed out before people start to backport packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;We need to ensure that upgrades never fail: cauldron must always have a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; higher version/release than in stable releases.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This statement is true, but implies more than what it says. It means that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we can't backport a package for Mageia 1 with a higher version than what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we have in Mageia 2 release (and updates?) media. And this, until we are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; able to take backports into account during upgrades.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Example :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Mageia 2 has wesnoth 1.10.2 in core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Mageia 1 can't get a higher version in its backports media
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Do you all agree with my understanding of the policy ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is a serious limitation to our ability to backport to Mageia (n-1)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and even to our ability to provide security fixes to backports there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (will not prevent it, but will prevent to do it by a version upgrade,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which is the common way to fix that kind of issue in backports).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe we shouldn't open backports for Mageia 1, and make sure upgrade to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia 3 can take backports from Mageia 2 into account so that backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to Mageia 2 are not stopped when Mageia 3 is released. Then we'll be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; safe.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think backports should be open until new stable is released. So we should
+</I>&gt;<i> not open backports for mga1 and when mga2 is released then backports for
+</I>&gt;<i> mga2 will be closed. It's the only way we can manage upgrades with our
+</I>&gt;<i> current packager resources.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+And what about security issues and bugs to those backports? It will use more 
+packager ressource to patch backports than to provide newer versions, won't 
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>@tmb: ping! As you are maintainer I don't want to push this without your
+ACK.
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+Col
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+'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 04/06/12 10:50 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> After upgrading one of my machines to Mageia 2 I noticed an error
+</I>&gt;<i> running cyrus imapd.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In the systemd version it runs a file before executing the daemon:
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/cyr_systemd_helper start
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This script (stolen from fedora) uses the &quot;runuser&quot; command from
+</I>&gt;<i> coreutils. While I'm not sure I fully appreciate the difference between
+</I>&gt;<i> runuser vs. &quot;su -c&quot; we do provide the utility, and thus IMO it should work!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I've applied the same pam configs as fedora use to our coreutils package
+</I>&gt;<i> here:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone review? I've tested that that putting these files on my mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> box makes cyrus-imapd run fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So if this is OK, it needs to be pushed as an update to Mga2. I'll do
+</I>&gt;<i> that once the maintainer (tmb) ACKs it.
+</I>
+
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
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+</I>&gt;<i> AFAIK, there isn't an easy way to find the last sign of life of a
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainer in our Bugzilla, I use the bugzilla-daemon mails for that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The last sign of life of:
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+</I>&gt;<i> supp (Tom&#225;&#353; Kindl) was on *2011-11-24* when he changed the status of bug
+</I>&gt;<i> 3429 to ASSIGNED
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+</I>&gt;<i> shikamaru (R&#233;my Clouard) was on 2012-05-31, when he commented in bug
+</I>&gt;<i> 2822. That looks like he's still alive, however, his last sign of life
+</I>&gt;<i> in a &quot;ruby-*&quot; bug was on *2011-10-22*, in bug 3070
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cjw alias spturtle (Christiaan Welvaart) was on *2011-12-30*, when he
+</I>&gt;<i> commented in bug 2157
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+dlucio (Daniel Lucio, AKA Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz) *2012-04-28*  when 
+he closed bug 5605 as fixed
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+He mentioned he had problems with email, but now:
+[11:28] &lt;xochiquetzal&gt; dlucio was last seen in #mageia-dev 67 days 7 
+hours ago saying &quot;whos fixing mysql-admin?&quot;.
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+&gt;<i> And what about security issues and bugs to those backports? It will use more 
+</I>&gt;<i> packager ressource to patch backports than to provide newer versions, won't 
+</I>&gt;<i> it?
+</I>If there is security issue then you have to fix it on cauldron too (usually with new
+version, so you can backport it to stable version). At least before release. And after
+backports are closed you can upgrade to latest stable version (for example mga3) and get
+patched version this way. I don't see the problem here.
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+&gt;<i> And what about security issues and bugs to those backports? It will use more 
+</I>&gt;<i> packager ressource to patch backports than to provide newer versions, won't 
+</I>&gt;<i> it?
+</I>Well if a new version is out it can be backported, a patch is needed otherwise.
+But it all depends on what package has been backported of course.
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> My feature proposal is to implement something similar to what mgaonline + 
+</I>&gt;<i> MageiaUpdate does for updates, but for backports, with some changes due to the 
+</I>&gt;<i> fact that users will rarely want that &quot;all&quot; packages on the system be updated 
+</I>&gt;<i> from backports when the backports media are activated.
+</I>I'm confused, enabling bp and bp-udates (same as tainted) should be enaough
+to get mageiaupdated for providing them as updates... or am i wrong?
+IIRC Mandriva plf worked in that manner...
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+&gt;&gt;<i> My feature proposal is to implement something similar to what mgaonline + 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MageiaUpdate does for updates, but for backports, with some changes due to the 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fact that users will rarely want that &quot;all&quot; packages on the system be updated 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from backports when the backports media are activated.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm confused, enabling bp and bp-udates (same as tainted) should be enaough
+</I>&gt;<i> to get mageiaupdated for providing them as updates... or am i wrong?
+</I>&gt;<i> IIRC Mandriva plf worked in that manner...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Angelo
+</I>Well, backports are not quite the same as tainted or nonfree or core. They are more like the
+updates folder of those repos.
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+Calenco user's guide meets a redirect, which goes to a 404.
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 07-06-12 09:41, Marja van Waes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> AFAIK, there isn't an easy way to find the last sign of life of a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintainer in our Bugzilla, I use the bugzilla-daemon mails for that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The last sign of life of:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supp (Tom&#225;&#353; Kindl) was on *2011-11-24* when he changed the status of bug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3429 to ASSIGNED
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shikamaru (R&#233;my Clouard) was on 2012-05-31, when he commented in bug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2822. That looks like he's still alive, however, his last sign of life
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in a &quot;ruby-*&quot; bug was on *2011-10-22*, in bug 3070
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cjw alias spturtle (Christiaan Welvaart) was on *2011-12-30*, when he
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> commented in bug 2157
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another one:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> dlucio (Daniel Lucio, AKA Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz) *2012-04-28* when he
+</I>&gt;<i> closed bug 5605 as fixed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> He mentioned he had problems with email, but now:
+</I>&gt;<i> [11:28] &lt;xochiquetzal&gt; dlucio was last seen in #mageia-dev 67 days 7
+</I>&gt;<i> hours ago saying &quot;whos fixing mysql-admin?&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+lol: another one
+
+erwan (Erwan Velu) *2011-10-05*
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+@ Erwan I know you're not dead, can you please have a look at bugs  44, 
+2038 and 2652..... or tell us if you're too busy or whatever and they 
+should be reassigned?
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+On 07/06/12 21:24, Angelo Naselli wrote:
+&gt;<i> Il 07/06/2012 18:11, Anne Wilson ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I feel guilty in requesting work when I have no coding skills 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> myself, however, I am sure that there will be some tasks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> somewhere that you can give me.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are talking about general help, I think you can ask to QA, i
+</I>&gt;<i> believe they need help (reading bugs, assigning, etc) or I think
+</I>&gt;<i> you are very good at following forum, but that depends on the time
+</I>&gt;<i> you can spend on it :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Have a look at [1] and see if there is something in which you
+</I>&gt;<i> think you can help ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers, Angelo
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Contributing">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Contributing</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Thanks, Angelo.  I've made first contact :-)
+
+Anne
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+&gt;<i> If there is security issue then you have to fix it on cauldron too (usually with new
+</I>&gt;<i> version, so you can backport it to stable version). At least before release. And after
+</I>&gt;<i> backports are closed you can upgrade to latest stable version (for example mga3) and get
+</I>&gt;<i> patched version this way. I don't see the problem here.
+</I>Well I can't see how we can close a bp since we say we give 9 months of supporting version.
+If we support bp, we also need to provides fixing at least. But i got your point, it's
+a kind o release freeze for bp for the mga n-2.
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+    <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> 
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 11:40:59, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 08.06.2012 11:51, Samuel Verschelde kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And what about security issues and bugs to those backports? It will use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; more packager ressource to patch backports than to provide newer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; versions, won't it?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If there is security issue then you have to fix it on cauldron too (usually
+</I>&gt;<i> with new version, so you can backport it to stable version). At least
+</I>&gt;<i> before release. And after backports are closed you can upgrade to latest
+</I>&gt;<i> stable version (for example mga3) and get patched version this way. I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't see the problem here.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+So you mean that backports are supported for 9 months and then you have to 
+upgrade to the next Mageia if you want security fixes... That's not what I call 
+support :/ What about people who want not to upgrade their whole system to the 
+next Mageia and still get support for that backport they installed?
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet">anaselli at linux.it
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+<PRE>venerd&#236; 8 giugno 2012 alle 12:49, Sander Lepik ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Well, backports are not quite the same as tainted or nonfree or core. They are more like the
+</I>&gt;<i> updates folder of those repos.
+</I>Yes but once you've enabled tehm, they should work as they were official
+repos, so why having two tools for that?
+
+Just wonder...
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+    <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> 
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 13:31:30, Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt; If there is security issue then you have to fix it on cauldron too
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (usually with new version, so you can backport it to stable version). At
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; least before release. And after backports are closed you can upgrade to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; latest stable version (for example mga3) and get patched version this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; way. I don't see the problem here.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Well I can't see how we can close a bp since we say we give 9 months of
+</I>&gt;<i> supporting version. If we support bp, we also need to provides fixing at
+</I>&gt;<i> least. But i got your point, it's a kind o release freeze for bp for the
+</I>&gt;<i> mga n-2.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+We support each release 18 month at least (that is, unless we manage to do 
+more in the future), so his proposal means stopping backports support too 
+early.
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+<PRE>On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 11:53:23 +0100
+Anne Wilson wrote:
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+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> Whilst following anaselli's advice to browse around, I discovered that
+</I>&gt;<i> on <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Documentation_team">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Documentation_team</A> the link to the
+</I>&gt;<i> Calenco user's guide meets a redirect, which goes to a 404.
+</I>
+Sorted
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+John
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)">anaselli at linux.it
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+<PRE>venerd&#236; 8 giugno 2012 alle 13:39, Samuel Verschelde ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> We support each release 18 month at least (that is, unless we manage to do 
+</I>&gt;<i> more in the future), so his proposal means stopping backports support too 
+</I>&gt;<i> early.
+</I>Sorry i meant 18 :)
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+The new openssl causes Handshake timeouts for me on some connections.
+e.g. in xchat connecting to an ircd-hybrid SSL server.
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+Can't find any specific reference, but reverting to the mga2 version
+solves the problems.
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+Cheers
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+Col
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+-- 
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+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On 08.06.2012 16:11, dams wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name        : openttd                      Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 1.2.1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Fri Jun  8 15:07:09 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group       : Games/Strategy                Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size        : 5722018                          License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : dams &lt;dams&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://www.openttd.org">http://www.openttd.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary     : An open source clone of the Microprose game &quot;Transport Tycoon Deluxe&quot; game
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenTTD is an open source clone of the Microprose game &quot;Transport Tycoon
+</I>&gt;<i> Deluxe&quot; game.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> dams &lt;dams&gt; 1.2.1-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 257715
+</I>&gt;<i> + rebuild (emptylog)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+You should not use SILENT if you bump rel and there's no other changes
+between new and previous release as it &quot;breaks&quot; the %changelog.
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+Please propedit your commit msgs.
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+&gt;<i> dams &lt;dams&gt; 0.2.3-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 257720
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+what changes did you made?
+Why changelog is empty?
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+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09lua-5.2.0-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C4FD204E0.9000007%40gmail.com%3E"
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+&gt;<i> /tmp/ccZEby7U.o: In function `main':
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+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `lua_call'
+</I>&gt;<i> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
+</I>Indeed, no lua_call symbole available:
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillaume at beria</A> lua]$ objdump -T /usr/lib64/liblua.so.5.2  | grep  lua_call
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+    <B>andre999</B> 
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+<PRE>Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 08.06.2012 11:38, Samuel Verschelde kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I re-read the backports policy, and there's a part I think needs to be pointed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> out before people start to backport packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;We need to ensure that upgrades never fail: cauldron must always have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> higher version/release than in stable releases.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This statement is true, but implies more than what it says. It means that we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can't backport a package for Mageia 1 with a higher version than what we have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in Mageia 2 release (and updates?) media. And this, until we are able to take
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports into account during upgrades.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Example :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Mageia 2 has wesnoth 1.10.2 in core/release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Mageia 1 can't get a higher version in its backports media
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you all agree with my understanding of the policy ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>
+I see your point.
+In most cases, a backport for mga1 would be essentially identical for 
+mga2 (except package file name and corresponding changes in the spec file).
+It would only differ if dependancies differ, which I suspect is unlikely 
+for wesnoth or most other games, for example.
+So this means that for a backport to mga1, we should first do one to mga2.
+This would more than likely be done at the same time by the same 
+packager, so not much more work.
+The demand for backports to mga1 is not likely to be very high, and 
+would depend on a willing packager.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> This is a serious limitation to our ability to backport to Mageia (n-1) and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> even to our ability to provide security fixes to backports there (will not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> prevent it, but will prevent to do it by a version upgrade, which is the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> common way to fix that kind of issue in backports).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>
+If we already have a backport with versions in mga2 and mga1, applying 
+security fixes to both would not likely be much more involved than only 
+to mga2.  If it only applies to mga1, as long as the version is lower 
+than that in mga2, we can always ensure that the version of the update 
+remains lower.  Similarly for mga2 with respect to cauldron.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we shouldn't open backports for Mageia 1, and make sure upgrade to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 3 can take backports from Mageia 2 into account so that backports to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 2 are not stopped when Mageia 3 is released. Then we'll be safe.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>
+Not to worry :)
+&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> I think backports should be open until new stable is released. So we should not open
+</I>&gt;<i> backports for mga1 and when mga2 is released then backports for mga2 will be closed.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's the only way we can manage upgrades with our current packager resources.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+A backport isn't going to happen without a packager willing to package 
+it.  There is no point in arbitrarily blocking backports to supported 
+releases for this reason.
+Although I would agree that there is not likely to be many backports to 
+mga1, because of this and the lower priority in QA, as well as the 
+understanding that the user requesting the backport would be implicated 
+in testing it.
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+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 08.06.2012 11:38, Samuel Verschelde kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I re-read the backports policy, and there's a part I think needs to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; pointed out before people start to backport packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;We need to ensure that upgrades never fail: cauldron must always have a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; higher version/release than in stable releases.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; This statement is true, but implies more than what it says. It means
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; that we can't backport a package for Mageia 1 with a higher version
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; than what we have in Mageia 2 release (and updates?) media. And this,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; until we are able to take backports into account during upgrades.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Example :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - Mageia 2 has wesnoth 1.10.2 in core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - Mageia 1 can't get a higher version in its backports media
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Do you all agree with my understanding of the policy ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I see your point.
+</I>&gt;<i> In most cases, a backport for mga1 would be essentially identical for
+</I>&gt;<i> mga2 (except package file name and corresponding changes in the spec file).
+</I>&gt;<i> It would only differ if dependancies differ, which I suspect is unlikely
+</I>&gt;<i> for wesnoth or most other games, for example.
+</I>&gt;<i> So this means that for a backport to mga1, we should first do one to mga2.
+</I>&gt;<i> This would more than likely be done at the same time by the same
+</I>&gt;<i> packager, so not much more work.
+</I>&gt;<i> The demand for backports to mga1 is not likely to be very high, and
+</I>&gt;<i> would depend on a willing packager.
+</I>
+I think you missed my point. If Mageia 1 &quot;backports&quot; has higher versions than 
+Mageia 2 &quot;release&quot; (not backports), upgrade can fail because currently our 
+tools do not take backports from the target release (mageia 2) into account 
+when upgrading a distro.
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+<PRE>venerd&#236; 8 giugno 2012 alle 16:22, Samuel Verschelde ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> I think you missed my point. If Mageia 1 &quot;backports&quot; has higher versions than 
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 2 &quot;release&quot; (not backports), upgrade can fail because currently our 
+</I>&gt;<i> tools do not take backports from the target release (mageia 2) into account 
+</I>&gt;<i> when upgrading a distro.
+</I>And i think a mga N-1 bp should have mga N bp as well in that case or
+should follow the same rules as between cauldron and updates e.g 1.1mgaN-1 means
+2mgaN. Who backports will care, some more work does not mean we can't have backports,
+just that we do really want that backport :)
+
+What we need is, however, being sure no one submits a package to bp_testing (as well
+as to update_testing) without asking to package maintaner or adding
+a bug report to manage that update/backport. I say that because it happened
+for updates. I think it should be clear that QA won't test a package
+only because it is in XX_testing repository and that maintainer does not
+have to go and see on testing to know that someone has already done the work,
+maybe after having done some work on it... am i wrong?
+
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+<PRE>Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 16:11:07, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 08.06.2012 11:38, Samuel Verschelde kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I re-read the backports policy, and there's a part I think needs to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pointed out before people start to backport packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;We need to ensure that upgrades never fail: cauldron must always have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> higher version/release than in stable releases.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This statement is true, but implies more than what it says. It means
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that we can't backport a package for Mageia 1 with a higher version
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> than what we have in Mageia 2 release (and updates?) media. And this,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> until we are able to take backports into account during upgrades.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Example :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Mageia 2 has wesnoth 1.10.2 in core/release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Mageia 1 can't get a higher version in its backports media
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you all agree with my understanding of the policy ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I see your point.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In most cases, a backport for mga1 would be essentially identical for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mga2 (except package file name and corresponding changes in the spec file).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would only differ if dependancies differ, which I suspect is unlikely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for wesnoth or most other games, for example.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So this means that for a backport to mga1, we should first do one to mga2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This would more than likely be done at the same time by the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packager, so not much more work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The demand for backports to mga1 is not likely to be very high, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would depend on a willing packager.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you missed my point. If Mageia 1 &quot;backports&quot; has higher versions than
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 2 &quot;release&quot; (not backports), upgrade can fail because currently our
+</I>&gt;<i> tools do not take backports from the target release (mageia 2) into account
+</I>&gt;<i> when upgrading a distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>But wouldn't current tools update backports if backports are active ?  
+(At least in an update after the release update.  Personally I alway do 
+an update step after a release update, as I never have a reliable 
+connexion during a release update, which I do from dvd.)
+This reinforces my idea that all backports should be tagged as 
+backports, and the tools adjusted for that.  Then backports could be 
+updated during the release update, instead of as a separate step afterwards.
+Maybe we should hold off on backports until we ensure that all backport 
+packages are tagged as such.
+See my comment about tagging backports on the backport policy discussion 
+page.
+
+This adds another factor to be considered in release updates.  The tools 
+should be changed for this before we have any problematic backports.  
+Leaf packages shouldn't cause a problem, besides the package itself 
+maybe not working properly.  In updates after the version update, the 
+user would see suggested updates with the current tools, as long as the 
+versions were appropriate, and backports were active.
+
+-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>On 08/06/12 13:21, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The new openssl causes Handshake timeouts for me on some connections.
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. in xchat connecting to an ircd-hybrid SSL server.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can't find any specific reference, but reverting to the mga2 version
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You had me worried there for a moment! :D
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 07 Jun 2012, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This bug has been raised during last packagers meeting. This has been a big
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> discussion since ages now. And dealing specifically with Mageia, it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> causing lots of troubles also in QA team.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After discussions yesterday evening, it seems solutions do exist. But still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it needs some volunteers to work on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Main concern seems to be that it could make MageiaUpdate very slow. So
+</I>&gt;<i> what is needed is a patch to make MageiaUpdate use only update medias
+</I>&gt;<i> when searching for new updates, but all medias when installing. And some
+</I>&gt;<i> tests to compare speed before and after applying patch, to check if it
+</I>&gt;<i> is still acceptable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I know everybody is concentrating on backports at the moment but it is 
+really important that this bug is fixed now. Backports could easily 
+provide further scenarios where this bug could strike, we already 
+discovered during ISO testing that it also affects upgrades.
+
+Backports will be very difficult for QA to manage without this being 
+fixed first. It has been difficult for QA to try and workaround this bug 
+for so long, the main reason it has been left is that we have been 
+mostly successful so far.
+
+We have a few new members in the QA team now who we are beginning to 
+mentor until they find their feet. It seems a bit silly to have to 
+create a wiki page explaining the need to work around a year old bug.
+
+Please please please can we fix this.
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+Many thanks!
+Claire
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 11:40:59, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 08.06.2012 11:51, Samuel Verschelde kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; And what about security issues and bugs to those backports? It will
+</I>use
+&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; more packager ressource to patch backports than to provide newer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; versions, won't it?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If there is security issue then you have to fix it on cauldron too
+</I>(usually
+&gt;<i> &gt; with new version, so you can backport it to stable version). At least
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; before release. And after backports are closed you can upgrade to latest
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stable version (for example mga3) and get patched version this way. I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; don't see the problem here.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So you mean that backports are supported for 9 months and then you have to
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade to the next Mageia if you want security fixes... That's not what
+</I>I call
+&gt;<i> support :/ What about people who want not to upgrade their whole system
+</I>to the
+&gt;<i> next Mageia and still get support for that backport they installed?
+</I>I don't think that we need to support backports that much. It should be
+clear that backports might not get all security updates. We should
+guarantee that it's possible to upgrade to next stable release and that's
+about it. We really don't have resources for more.
+And if user doesn't want to upgrade to next release but at the same time
+wants security updates s/he can always downgrade.
+
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+    <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I don't think that we need to support backports that much. It should be
+</I>&gt;<i> clear that backports might not get all security updates. We should
+</I>&gt;<i> guarantee that it's possible to upgrade to next stable release and that's
+</I>&gt;<i> about it. We really don't have resources for more.
+</I>
+That backports are supported is the key point of the policy, which was 
+discussed and validated months ago. It's not a &quot;let's throw in random 
+packages&quot; media, it's part of the distribution. Resources will limit the 
+number of different packages we are able to backport AND maintain, not the 
+quality of our support.
+
+So I'd like us to discuss the way to attain this objective rather than try to 
+force users needs to fit with what's simpler for us. Solutions probably revolve 
+around taking backports into account during upgrade, which is doable. Hard, 
+maybe, but doable:
+- online upgrade can use backports media for packages not coming from release. 
+If we don't know where a package comes from we can start storing that 
+information somewhere, or guess (any package with higher version installed 
+than that in target distro's updates should be updated using backports media). 
+- DVD could detect packages which can't be updated (in fact, it should do it 
+already since there are already, DVDs having limited space), and warn about 
+them. DVD upgrade should also, if possible, detect dependency problems 
+*before* actually upgrading. Then if network is available ask the user if they 
+want to use online media for safer upgrade.
+
+Samuel
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+    <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> 
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 16:45:28, Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> venerd&#236; 8 giugno 2012 alle 16:22, Samuel Verschelde ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think you missed my point. If Mageia 1 &quot;backports&quot; has higher versions
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; than Mageia 2 &quot;release&quot; (not backports), upgrade can fail because
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; currently our tools do not take backports from the target release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (mageia 2) into account when upgrading a distro.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And i think a mga N-1 bp should have mga N bp as well in that case or
+</I>&gt;<i> should follow the same rules as between cauldron and updates e.g 1.1mgaN-1
+</I>&gt;<i> means 2mgaN. Who backports will care, some more work does not mean we
+</I>&gt;<i> can't have backports, just that we do really want that backport :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> What we need is, however, being sure no one submits a package to bp_testing
+</I>&gt;<i> (as well as to update_testing) without asking to package maintaner or
+</I>&gt;<i> adding a bug report to manage that update/backport. I say that because it
+</I>&gt;<i> happened for updates. I think it should be clear that QA won't test a
+</I>&gt;<i> package only because it is in XX_testing repository and that maintainer
+</I>&gt;<i> does not have to go and see on testing to know that someone has already
+</I>&gt;<i> done the work, maybe after having done some work on it... am i wrong?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Yes, it is already clear in the policy as it is written, in my opinion.
+
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+&gt;<i> I think you missed my point. If Mageia 1 &quot;backports&quot; has higher versions than
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 2 &quot;release&quot; (not backports), upgrade can fail because currently our
+</I>&gt;<i> tools do not take backports from the target release (mageia 2) into account
+</I>&gt;<i> when upgrading a distro.
+</I>
+In the upgrade from Mandriva 2010.2 to Mageia 1, it was made clear, that
+upgrading from a system with 2010.2 Backports was not supported.  It may
+work, but was not recommended.
+
+I think we should keep the same policy for the upgrade from Mageia 1 to 2.
+I.E.  Don't use backports if you are planning on later doing an upgrade,
+rather then a clean install.
+
+That way, Mageia 1 users who want firefox 13 can get it, without us having
+to replace the Mageia 2 iso images with an upgraded installer, that will
+keep backports enabled for 2, if it was enabled for 1.
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 20:20:54, David W. Hodgins a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:22:41 -0400, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; 
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; I think you missed my point. If Mageia 1 &quot;backports&quot; has higher versions
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; than Mageia 2 &quot;release&quot; (not backports), upgrade can fail because
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; currently our tools do not take backports from the target release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (mageia 2) into account when upgrading a distro.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In the upgrade from Mandriva 2010.2 to Mageia 1, it was made clear, that
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrading from a system with 2010.2 Backports was not supported.  It may
+</I>&gt;<i> work, but was not recommended.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we should keep the same policy for the upgrade from Mageia 1 to 2.
+</I>&gt;<i> I.E.  Don't use backports if you are planning on later doing an upgrade,
+</I>&gt;<i> rather then a clean install.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That way, Mageia 1 users who want firefox 13 can get it, without us having
+</I>&gt;<i> to replace the Mageia 2 iso images with an upgraded installer, that will
+</I>&gt;<i> keep backports enabled for 2, if it was enabled for 1.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>
+Again, this is not the policy we adopted. When we defined the backports policy 
+(together, although it seems most people are just discovering it now) we said 
+that we didn't want to have backports that don't work, break a system, or 
+prevent upgrade.
+
+However, I think that for DVD upgrade without internet access this is a 
+sensible option. But the upgrader should detect the situation itself, not hope 
+that the user will read somewhere in the release notes that it's not 
+supported. 
+
+And there should be a way for those who have internet access to upgrade online 
+*with* backports too.
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+Samuel
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 16:58:24, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 16:11:07, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 08.06.2012 11:38, Samuel Verschelde kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I re-read the backports policy, and there's a part I think needs to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; pointed out before people start to backport packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;We need to ensure that upgrades never fail: cauldron must always have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; a higher version/release than in stable releases.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; This statement is true, but implies more than what it says. It means
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that we can't backport a package for Mageia 1 with a higher version
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; than what we have in Mageia 2 release (and updates?) media. And this,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; until we are able to take backports into account during upgrades.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Example :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - Mageia 2 has wesnoth 1.10.2 in core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - Mageia 1 can't get a higher version in its backports media
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Do you all agree with my understanding of the policy ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I see your point.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; In most cases, a backport for mga1 would be essentially identical for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mga2 (except package file name and corresponding changes in the spec
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; file). It would only differ if dependancies differ, which I suspect is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; unlikely for wesnoth or most other games, for example.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So this means that for a backport to mga1, we should first do one to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mga2. This would more than likely be done at the same time by the same
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; packager, so not much more work.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The demand for backports to mga1 is not likely to be very high, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; would depend on a willing packager.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think you missed my point. If Mageia 1 &quot;backports&quot; has higher versions
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; than Mageia 2 &quot;release&quot; (not backports), upgrade can fail because
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; currently our tools do not take backports from the target release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (mageia 2) into account when upgrading a distro.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> But wouldn't current tools update backports if backports are active ?
+</I>
+No, they wouldn't :)
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 8 juni 2012 20:40:04 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 16:58:24, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; But wouldn't current tools update backports if backports are active ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> No, they wouldn't :)
+</I>
+but isn't this a bug? just like nonfree/tainted... etc...
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+code to detect what you had and use it for next upgrade, would be good. but 
+that would not be easy, unless we just keep it simple and fallback if people 
+don't have a standard layout.
+
+In any case,
+
+Stormi: what is your suggestion to change in the backport policy? or do you 
+think we can keep it, but we'd need alot more effort for some &quot;features&quot;?
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+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 19:35:28, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't think that we need to support backports that much. It should be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; clear that backports might not get all security updates. We should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; guarantee that it's possible to upgrade to next stable release and that's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; about it. We really don't have resources for more.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That backports are supported is the key point of the policy, which was
+</I>&gt;<i> discussed and validated months ago. It's not a &quot;let's throw in random
+</I>&gt;<i> packages&quot; media, it's part of the distribution. Resources will limit the
+</I>&gt;<i> number of different packages we are able to backport AND maintain, not the
+</I>&gt;<i> quality of our support.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So I'd like us to discuss the way to attain this objective rather than try
+</I>&gt;<i> to force users needs to fit with what's simpler for us. Solutions probably
+</I>&gt;<i> revolve around taking backports into account during upgrade, which is
+</I>&gt;<i> doable. Hard, maybe, but doable:
+</I>&gt;<i> - online upgrade can use backports media for packages not coming from
+</I>&gt;<i> release. If we don't know where a package comes from we can start storing
+</I>&gt;<i> that information somewhere, or guess (any package with higher version
+</I>&gt;<i> installed than that in target distro's updates should be updated using
+</I>&gt;<i> backports media). - DVD could detect packages which can't be updated (in
+</I>&gt;<i> fact, it should do it already since there are already, DVDs having limited
+</I>&gt;<i> space), and warn about them. DVD upgrade should also, if possible, detect
+</I>&gt;<i> dependency problems *before* actually upgrading. Then if network is
+</I>&gt;<i> available ask the user if they want to use online media for safer upgrade.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
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+Il 08/06/2012 20:20, David W. Hodgins ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> That way, Mageia 1 users who want firefox 13 can get it, without us
+</I>&gt;<i> having to replace the Mageia 2 iso images with an upgraded
+</I>&gt;<i> installer, that will keep backports enabled for 2, if it was
+</I>&gt;<i> enabled for 1.
+</I>I think mageia 2 users maybe want firefox 13 as well, so where's the
+problem?
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+Just provide it for both and keep the system upgradable. But iirc ff
+is not a real problem, since we can update it, but it there is not
+a security issue or important matter, someone should at least open
+a bug request. In the case that an update request is made against
+mga1, we shall offer it for mga2 as well and so on...
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+Il 08/06/2012 20:38, Samuel Verschelde ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> However, I think that for DVD upgrade without internet access this
+</I>&gt;<i> is a sensible option. But the upgrader should detect the situation
+</I>&gt;<i> itself, not hope that the user will read somewhere in the release
+</I>&gt;<i> notes that it's not supported.
+</I>Not only for back-ports though, if you install developer stuff or other
+things not included into the DVD, you have that problem as well.
+
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+<PRE>08.06.2012 21:38, Samuel Verschelde kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> And there should be a way for those who have internet access to upgrade online 
+</I>&gt;<i> *with* backports too.
+</I>You are asking too much here. Mandriva probably never did that. And i don't know any other
+distro that is able to detect ONLY those backports you have installed and upgrade then only
+those, tho' the whole repo is enabled. For that urpmi needs a rewrite. And for me this is
+too much effort for backports. We have other things to fix.
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+&gt;<i> in any case, imho it's too soon for us to drop drakxtools/mganetapplet/if-cfg*
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+</I>&gt;<i> let's retalk about this for mga4.
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+perl-URPM &amp; urpmi testsuites pass OK
+urpmi urpme &amp; rpmdrake works OK
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+I spot only a new warning during the testsuite:
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+I'll look at it later.
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+I haven't yet look at RPM4 but anyway its SVN doesn't answer
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+&gt;<i> Em 06-06-2012 08:22, AL13N escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in any case, imho it's too soon for us to drop drakxtools/mganetapplet/if-cfg*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (if ever).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> let's retalk about this for mga4.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>
+I don't mean dropping them, just adaptimg them (except ifcfg-*)
+It looks much easier to write an independent file and drop it in
+a folder than to programatically edit ifcfg-*.
+Specifically:
+- make drakxtools read/write NM config files. People can use drakx*
+   or the DE tool at their will.
+- make mganetapplet live and use it for desktops that don't have
+   an specific applet. In Gnome, nm-applet fits better than mga one,
+   and I suppose it happens the same for KDE. Probably there is no
+   specfic applet for others.
+- if NM supports bonding and VPN, you can almost kill ifcfg-* files.
+   That is the future.
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+    <B>blind Pete</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Following Backports opening due soon, and since our policy is that
+</I>&gt;<i> backports are supported (security, bugfix), we need a way to push backport
+</I>&gt;<i> updates for users who installed backports. Otherwise, we can't really say
+</I>&gt;<i> that we're providing security updates to our backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> My feature proposal is to implement something similar to what mgaonline +
+</I>&gt;<i> MageiaUpdate does for updates, but for backports, with some changes due to
+</I>&gt;<i> the fact that users will rarely want that &quot;all&quot; packages on the system be
+</I>&gt;<i> updated from backports when the backports media are activated.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Backports_update_applet">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Backports_update_applet</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think I can do the dev myself. I can work on more detailed
+</I>&gt;<i> specifications with a developer though.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+There are a multiple ways that this problem could be handled.  
+Yours is one.  
+
+Samuel's way: 
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+Need &quot;something&quot; to know that a backport package 
+has been installed, to remember that fact, and to do an extra 
+backport update search when looking for updates.  
+
+It would need to keep working if the user changed desktop 
+environments, or even stopped used a desktop and just used 
+the command line.  Does mgaonline do this?  There could be 
+room to improve that.  
+
+If it can be detected that a backport package has been installed 
+(or less efficiently, detect that a backports repository 
+has been activated) set up a cron job (or reconfigure mgaonline) 
+and leave it like that for the life of the installation.  
+
+Geeks way: 
+
+Only use urpmi as a command line tool and edit urpmi.cfg with vi.  
+
+When activating a backports repository mark it as an update 
+repository.  Then update with &quot;urpmi --excludemedia [backport media, ...]&quot;
+accepting all suggestions, followed by &quot;urpmi --auto-select&quot; 
+and look at what is offered before accepting.  
+
+My suggestion: 
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+Add &quot;bp&quot; to the package name and have separate backports update 
+repositories.  
+
+Users would then be able to cherry pick from backports and 
+updates should _just work_ without extra intervention.  
+
+The only difficulty that I can think of is, when a backport 
+(or backport update) package is pushed to updates.  It would 
+not be necessary to do a real update but the rpm database 
+should be updated such that version N-bp supersedes version N.  
+(And the N-bp packages should be removed from the repositories.)  
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+Can anyone see any holes in the logic?  
+
+What would be easiest to implement?  
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+&gt;<i> I see your point.
+</I>&gt;<i> In most cases, a backport for mga1 would be essentially identical for
+</I>&gt;<i> mga2 (except package file name and corresponding changes in the spec
+</I>&gt;<i> file). It would only differ if dependancies differ, which I suspect is
+</I>&gt;<i> unlikely for wesnoth or most other games, for example.
+</I>&gt;<i> So this means that for a backport to mga1, we should first do one to mga2.
+</I>[snip]
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+&gt;<i> I re-read the backports policy, and there's a part I think needs to be
+</I>&gt;<i> pointed out before people start to backport packages.
+</I>
+I haven't, so if I get things badly wrong don't hesitate to tell me.  
+
+&gt;<i> &quot;We need to ensure that upgrades never fail: cauldron must always have a
+</I>&gt;<i> higher version/release than in stable releases.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This statement is true, but implies more than what it says. It means that
+</I>&gt;<i> we can't backport a package for Mageia 1 with a higher version than what
+</I>&gt;<i> we have in Mageia 2 release (and updates?) media. And this, until we are
+</I>&gt;<i> able to take backports into account during upgrades.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Example :
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mageia 2 has wesnoth 1.10.2 in core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mageia 1 can't get a higher version in its backports media
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you all agree with my understanding of the policy ?
+</I>
+No.  Well assuming that the backports policy is sane, then no.  
+
+- Mageia 1 can not get a higher version into _updates_ until 
+the new version (or an even higher one) has made its way into 
+Mageia 2 _updates_.  
+
+- Mageia 1 can not get a higher version into _backports_ until 
+the new version (or an even higher one) has made its way into 
+Mageia 2 _backports_.  
+
+&gt;<i> This is a serious limitation to our ability to backport to Mageia (n-1)
+</I>&gt;<i> and even to our ability to provide security fixes to backports there (will
+</I>&gt;<i> not prevent it, but will prevent to do it by a version upgrade, which is
+</I>&gt;<i> the common way to fix that kind of issue in backports).
+</I>
+I don't see it.  
+
+Most backports will have a version not higher than the which  
+is provided by the next release and so will just not be a problem.  
+
+Even in the *very* strange situation that the back ported package has a 
+version number that is higher than that of the next release it is 
+workable, all that is needed is the requirement that backports are 
+not made available to release N before they are made available to 
+release N+1 (Cauldron counts as a release) and that backport media 
+be available at upgrade time.  
+
+&gt;<i> Maybe we shouldn't open backports for Mageia 1, and make sure upgrade to
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 3 can take backports from Mageia 2 into account so that backports
+</I>&gt;<i> to Mageia 2 are not stopped when Mageia 3 is released. Then we'll be safe.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+Extreme hypothetical example:  
+
+Cauldron Core has long term support FF 29 and Cauldron Backports 
+has this week's official release of FF 41.  
+
+Mageia 5 gets released with Core and Core Backports.  Sensible 
+users get the long term support version.  Insane fools who are 
+trying to use the notoriously broken FF 35 get FF 41 (which is 
+broken in a different way).  
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+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 8 juni 2012 20:40:04 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 16:58:24, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; But wouldn't current tools update backports if backports are active ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, they wouldn't :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> but isn't this a bug? just like nonfree/tainted... etc...
+</I>
+Yes.  For a workaround add &quot;update&quot; to /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg 
+backports section.  
+
+&gt;<i> code to detect what you had and use it for next upgrade, would be good.
+</I>&gt;<i> but that would not be easy, unless we just keep it simple and fallback if
+</I>&gt;<i> people don't have a standard layout.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In any case,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Stormi: what is your suggestion to change in the backport policy? or do
+</I>&gt;<i> you think we can keep it, but we'd need alot more effort for some
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;features&quot;?
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 20:20:54, David W. Hodgins a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:22:41 -0400, Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I think you missed my point. If Mageia 1 &quot;backports&quot; has higher
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; versions than Mageia 2 &quot;release&quot; (not backports), upgrade can fail
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; because currently our tools do not take backports from the target
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; release (mageia 2) into account when upgrading a distro.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In the upgrade from Mandriva 2010.2 to Mageia 1, it was made clear, that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upgrading from a system with 2010.2 Backports was not supported.  It may
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work, but was not recommended.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should keep the same policy for the upgrade from Mageia 1 to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I.E.  Don't use backports if you are planning on later doing an upgrade,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rather then a clean install.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That way, Mageia 1 users who want firefox 13 can get it, without us
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> having to replace the Mageia 2 iso images with an upgraded installer,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that will keep backports enabled for 2, if it was enabled for 1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Again, this is not the policy we adopted. When we defined the backports
+</I>&gt;<i> policy (together, although it seems most people are just discovering it
+</I>&gt;<i> now) we said that we didn't want to have backports that don't work, break
+</I>&gt;<i> a system, or prevent upgrade.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> However, I think that for DVD upgrade without internet access this is a
+</I>&gt;<i> sensible option. But the upgrader should detect the situation itself, not
+</I>&gt;<i> hope that the user will read somewhere in the release notes that it's not
+</I>&gt;<i> supported.
+</I>
+No, just include Cauldron's backport repositories (disabled by default) 
+inside the DVD iso.  Upgrade to the release version, if possible.  
+If that is not possible, upgrade to the version in backports.  
+
+&gt;<i> And there should be a way for those who have internet access to upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> online *with* backports too.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
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+&gt;<i> andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I see your point.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In most cases, a backport for mga1 would be essentially identical for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mga2 (except package file name and corresponding changes in the spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file). It would only differ if dependancies differ, which I suspect is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unlikely for wesnoth or most other games, for example.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So this means that for a backport to mga1, we should first do one to mga2.
+</I>&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No.  Cauldron then mga2 then mga1.  
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, you can't do backport for mga2 if you don't have new version in cauldron ;)
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+&gt;<i> @tmb: ping! As you are maintainer I don't want to push this without your
+</I>&gt;<i> ACK.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
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+Sorry for missing this earlier.
+Looks good to me, so &quot;ACK&quot; :)
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 04/06/12 10:50 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After upgrading one of my machines to Mageia 2 I noticed an error
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> running cyrus imapd.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In the systemd version it runs a file before executing the daemon:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/cyr_systemd_helper start
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This script (stolen from fedora) uses the &quot;runuser&quot; command from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> coreutils. While I'm not sure I fully appreciate the difference between
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> runuser vs. &quot;su -c&quot; we do provide the utility, and thus IMO it should work!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've applied the same pam configs as fedora use to our coreutils package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone review? I've tested that that putting these files on my mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> box makes cyrus-imapd run fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So if this is OK, it needs to be pushed as an update to Mga2. I'll do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that once the maintainer (tmb) ACKs it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
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+<PRE>08.06.2012 11:38, Samuel Verschelde kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> I re-read the backports policy, and there's a part I think needs to be pointed 
+</I>&gt;<i> out before people start to backport packages. 
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;We need to ensure that upgrades never fail: cauldron must always have a 
+</I>&gt;<i> higher version/release than in stable releases.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This statement is true, but implies more than what it says. It means that we 
+</I>&gt;<i> can't backport a package for Mageia 1 with a higher version than what we have 
+</I>&gt;<i> in Mageia 2 release (and updates?) media. And this, until we are able to take 
+</I>&gt;<i> backports into account during upgrades.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Example :
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mageia 2 has wesnoth 1.10.2 in core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mageia 1 can't get a higher version in its backports media 
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you all agree with my understanding of the policy ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a serious limitation to our ability to backport to Mageia (n-1) and 
+</I>&gt;<i> even to our ability to provide security fixes to backports there (will not 
+</I>&gt;<i> prevent it, but will prevent to do it by a version upgrade, which is the 
+</I>&gt;<i> common way to fix that kind of issue in backports).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we shouldn't open backports for Mageia 1, and make sure upgrade to 
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 3 can take backports from Mageia 2 into account so that backports to 
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 2 are not stopped when Mageia 3 is released. Then we'll be safe.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>I reread the backports policy and there are two lines that make backporting from cauldron to
+mga1 impossible:
+* Backports can be cherry-picked (ie, enable backports, install, disable backports).
+* We need to ensure that upgrades never fail
+
+In this regard we can support backports only with new version that is lower than the one on
+next release. If we want to enable backports for mga1 we can backport only from mga2. Not
+from cauldron. This way we can submit updates by submitting new backport into mga1 backports
+repo (users would still have to update manually AFAIK).
+
+Any objections?
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> 09.06.2012 10:06, blind Pete kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I see your point.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In most cases, a backport for mga1 would be essentially identical for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga2 (except package file name and corresponding changes in the spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file). It would only differ if dependancies differ, which I suspect is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unlikely for wesnoth or most other games, for example.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So this means that for a backport to mga1, we should first do one to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No.  Cauldron then mga2 then mga1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, you can't do backport for mga2 if you don't have new version in
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron ;)
+</I>
+Just trying to be complete.  This is the sort of situation where 
+incompleteness becomes ambiguity which becomes a bug.  
+
+-- 
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+<PRE>blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 20:20:54, David W. Hodgins a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:22:41 -0400, Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think you missed my point. If Mageia 1 &quot;backports&quot; has higher
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> versions than Mageia 2 &quot;release&quot; (not backports), upgrade can fail
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because currently our tools do not take backports from the target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> release (mageia 2) into account when upgrading a distro.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In the upgrade from Mandriva 2010.2 to Mageia 1, it was made clear, that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upgrading from a system with 2010.2 Backports was not supported.  It may
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> work, but was not recommended.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should keep the same policy for the upgrade from Mageia 1 to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I.E.  Don't use backports if you are planning on later doing an upgrade,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rather then a clean install.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That way, Mageia 1 users who want firefox 13 can get it, without us
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> having to replace the Mageia 2 iso images with an upgraded installer,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that will keep backports enabled for 2, if it was enabled for 1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>
+Current tools will correctly update backports much of the time.  (From 
+my experience.)
+The tools just need to be reworked somewhat to ensure that backports are 
+updated correctly all of the time.
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Again, this is not the policy we adopted. When we defined the backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> policy (together, although it seems most people are just discovering it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> now) we said that we didn't want to have backports that don't work, break
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a system, or prevent upgrade.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, I think that for DVD upgrade without internet access this is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sensible option. But the upgrader should detect the situation itself, not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hope that the user will read somewhere in the release notes that it's not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supported.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> No, just include Cauldron's backport repositories (disabled by default)
+</I>&gt;<i> inside the DVD iso.  Upgrade to the release version, if possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> If that is not possible, upgrade to the version in backports.
+</I>
+Cauldron's backport repos will always be empty.
+If you introduce a new package, or a new version of an existing package 
+to Cauldron, it is not, by definition, a backport.  Even though the same 
+version (not counting the revision) may be a backport for previous releases.
+
+So if we do a release update to the latest release, backports will be 
+replaced by regular packages except in those cases where a newer version 
+has been introduced into Cauldron.  And if we update to Cauldron, all 
+backports will be replaced by regular packages -- according to our 
+backport policy.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> And there should be a way for those who have internet access to upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> online *with* backports too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>
+True, to allow the user to do the release upgrade in one step.
+&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>
+Effectively during release updates, we have to treat backports as 
+updates to installed backports.
+Because dependancies may differ between releases for the backport, 
+installed backports will always have to be updated.
+However many users are in a situation where they cannot do online 
+updates when installing a release update,  (That is my situation.)  So 
+they have to do updates as a separate step.
+This means that in would be prudent to always treat backports as updates 
+to installed backports, even if not doing a release update.
+If all backports packages are tagged as backports (in the file name), it 
+will be relatively easy for the tools to recognize and appropriately 
+treat backports.
+
+We have to avoid backports of packages that could make the system 
+unbootable, or the major desktops unstartable, but note that this is 
+already more than covered in the backport policy, under &quot;packages scope&quot;.
+
+In sum, as long as our tools can clearly identify backports, it should 
+be easy to adapt them to properly treat backports.
+So I think the policy should be changed to always tag backports in the 
+revision part of the file name to facilitate recognition of backports, 
+such as is usually done for &quot;tainted&quot; packages, and sometimes for &quot;nonfree&quot;
+
+Maybe to facilitate keeping backports up to date, we should ensure that 
+rpmdrake (and the other tools) include backports in the security and 
+bugfix options.  This may already be the case.  (While still treating 
+them as backports.)
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+<PRE>Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 08.06.2012 11:38, Samuel Verschelde kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I re-read the backports policy, and there's a part I think needs to be pointed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> out before people start to backport packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;We need to ensure that upgrades never fail: cauldron must always have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> higher version/release than in stable releases.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This statement is true, but implies more than what it says. It means that we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can't backport a package for Mageia 1 with a higher version than what we have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in Mageia 2 release (and updates?) media. And this, until we are able to take
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports into account during upgrades.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Example :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Mageia 2 has wesnoth 1.10.2 in core/release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Mageia 1 can't get a higher version in its backports media
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you all agree with my understanding of the policy ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is a serious limitation to our ability to backport to Mageia (n-1) and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> even to our ability to provide security fixes to backports there (will not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> prevent it, but will prevent to do it by a version upgrade, which is the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> common way to fix that kind of issue in backports).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we shouldn't open backports for Mageia 1, and make sure upgrade to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 3 can take backports from Mageia 2 into account so that backports to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 2 are not stopped when Mageia 3 is released. Then we'll be safe.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> I reread the backports policy and there are two lines that make backporting from cauldron to
+</I>&gt;<i> mga1 impossible:
+</I>&gt;<i> * Backports can be cherry-picked (ie, enable backports, install, disable backports).
+</I>&gt;<i> * We need to ensure that upgrades never fail
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In this regard we can support backports only with new version that is lower than the one on
+</I>&gt;<i> next release. If we want to enable backports for mga1 we can backport only from mga2. Not
+</I>&gt;<i> from cauldron. This way we can submit updates by submitting new backport into mga1 backports
+</I>&gt;<i> repo (users would still have to update manually AFAIK).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any objections?
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+OK.  To backport from Cauldron to mga1, we have to backport from 
+Cauldron to mga2, (bumping the revision in cauldron to ensure that is is 
+higher), then backport from mga2 to mga1, ensuring that the revision is 
+lower in mga1 than in mga2.    (e.g. revision x.1 in cauldron, x.0.1 in 
+mga2, x.0.0.1 in mga1)  Pretty straight forward.
+
+- Cherry-picking refers to the users' option to install a backport, 
+which has nothing to do with the packaging itself.
+
+- Ensure that upgrades never fail :  Properly packaged, there is no 
+reason why any available backports will not install properly, as long as 
+the tools are appropriately adjusted.  Backports should install just as 
+reliably as regular updates.
+Of course, if a particular backport or update is not available, it won't 
+install.  Packages requiring it should not install either, which may not 
+always be the case now.  (This should be verified - for backports and 
+updates.)
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+<PRE>09.06.2012 13:29, andre999 skrev:
+&gt;<i> OK.  To backport from Cauldron to mga1, we have to backport from 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron to mga2, (bumping the revision in cauldron to ensure that is is 
+</I>&gt;<i> higher), then backport from mga2 to mga1, ensuring that the revision is 
+</I>&gt;<i> lower in mga1 than in mga2.    (e.g. revision x.1 in cauldron, x.0.1 in 
+</I>&gt;<i> mga2, x.0.0.1 in mga1)  Pretty straight forward.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Not needed as 1.mgaX &gt; 1.mga3 &gt; 1.mga2 &gt; 1.mga1
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+&gt;<i> - Cherry-picking refers to the users' option to install a backport, 
+</I>&gt;<i> which has nothing to do with the packaging itself.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Oh but it has _everything_ to do with packaging...
+
+in order for cherrypicking to work, the deps must be stricter so
+that any deps in backports gets selected along with the package
+the user is selecting.
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+Thomas
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+<PRE>I have a newly installed Mageia 2 box which I then updated to Cauldron -
+
+When I try to install the Newshosting client (which worked before) - I
+get the following:
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at foxbase</A> Downloads]$ ./newshosting-1.2.1-linux-installer.run 
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Welcome to the Newshosting Setup Wizard.
+
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Please specify the directory where Newshosting will be installed.
+
+Installation Directory [/home/rfox/newshosting-1.2.1]: 
+
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Setup is now ready to begin installing Newshosting on your computer.
+
+Do you want to continue? [Y/n]: 
+
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Please wait while Setup installs Newshosting on your computer.
+
+ Installing
+ 0% ______________ 50% ______________ 100%
+ #########################################
+
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Setup has finished installing Newshosting on your computer.
+
+Do you want to launch Newshosting now? [Y/n]: 
+
+
+Error: There has been an error.
+Error running /home/rfox/newshosting-1.2.1/newshosting.sh  : 
+/home/rfox/newshosting-1.2.1/newshosting: error while loading shared
+libraries: 
+libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
+directory
+Press [Enter] to continue :
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at foxbase</A> Downloads]$ locate libgthread-2.0.so.0
+/lib64/libgthread-2.0.so.0
+/lib64/libgthread-2.0.so.0.3200.3
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at foxbase</A> Downloads]$ 
+
+So why is it not finding it when it clearly exists?
+
+Any help would be welcome.
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I have a newly installed Mageia 2 box which I then updated to Cauldron -
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When I try to install the Newshosting client (which worked before) - I
+</I>&gt;<i> get the following:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at foxbase</A> Downloads]$ ./newshosting-1.2.1-linux-installer.run
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Welcome to the Newshosting Setup Wizard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Please specify the directory where Newshosting will be installed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation Directory [/home/rfox/newshosting-1.2.1]:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Setup is now ready to begin installing Newshosting on your computer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Please wait while Setup installs Newshosting on your computer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Installing
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;0% ______________ 50% ______________ 100%
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;#########################################
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Setup has finished installing Newshosting on your computer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you want to launch Newshosting now? [Y/n]:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Error: There has been an error.
+</I>&gt;<i> Error running /home/rfox/newshosting-1.2.1/newshosting.sh &#160;:
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/rfox/newshosting-1.2.1/newshosting: error while loading shared
+</I>&gt;<i> libraries:
+</I>&gt;<i> libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
+</I>&gt;<i> directory
+</I>&gt;<i> Press [Enter] to continue :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at foxbase</A> Downloads]$ locate libgthread-2.0.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64/libgthread-2.0.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64/libgthread-2.0.so.0.3200.3
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at foxbase</A> Downloads]$
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So why is it not finding it when it clearly exists?
+</I>
+Random thought: It may want the 32 bits version
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 09/06/2012 15:24, Robert Fox a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Error: There has been an error.
+</I>&gt;<i> Error running /home/rfox/newshosting-1.2.1/newshosting.sh  :
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/rfox/newshosting-1.2.1/newshosting: error while loading shared
+</I>&gt;<i> libraries:
+</I>&gt;<i> libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
+</I>&gt;<i> directory
+</I>&gt;<i> Press [Enter] to continue :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at foxbase</A> Downloads]$ locate libgthread-2.0.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64/libgthread-2.0.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64/libgthread-2.0.so.0.3200.3
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at foxbase</A> Downloads]$
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So why is it not finding it when it clearly exists?
+</I>Probably because of an architecture mismatch (32 vs 64 bits).
+
+-- 
+The bullet that is forgotten while installing an antenna systems will 
+always be at the base of the antenna, and discovered at 5pm on a Friday 
+after the tower crew has left
+		-- Murphy's Laws of Broadcast Engineering n&#176;7
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+<PRE>On Sat, 2012-06-09 at 15:32 +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 09/06/2012 15:24, Robert Fox a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Error: There has been an error.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Error running /home/rfox/newshosting-1.2.1/newshosting.sh  :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /home/rfox/newshosting-1.2.1/newshosting: error while loading shared
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libraries:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; directory
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Press [Enter] to continue :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at foxbase</A> Downloads]$ locate libgthread-2.0.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /lib64/libgthread-2.0.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /lib64/libgthread-2.0.so.0.3200.3
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at foxbase</A> Downloads]$
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So why is it not finding it when it clearly exists?
+</I>&gt;<i> Probably because of an architecture mismatch (32 vs 64 bits).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Strange - I installed this on another Cauldron running system (one that
+I kept upgrading from Mageia 1 to Cauldron) - and it worked even though
+it was a 64bit install.
+
+Now I find out that there are several missing 32bit libraries like
+libglib2.0_0, libfontconfig1, libXrender, libsm6, libXext6, etc.  
+
+I don't recall having to install them on the other system to get it to
+work under a 64bit Mageia.
+
+Odd.
+
+Thanks - got it to work . . .
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+<PRE>On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:26:20 -0400
+andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Since my last post, we have 2 new apprentice candidates looking for a mentor.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> simplew (Pedro), who is a longtime user of various rpm-based distros, is most 
+</I>&gt;<i> interested in Gnome and KDE packages.  As you have probably noticed, he has 
+</I>&gt;<i> already been struggling with packaging on his own.  His languages are en, pt, 
+</I>&gt;<i> and es.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> agron (Agron Selimaj), an mdv powerpack user since 2006, has skills in C++, 
+</I>&gt;<i> debugging, patch review, and rpm building, and is interested in focusing on 
+</I>&gt;<i> essential packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Others have expressed interest in becoming packagers, but I have yet to confirm 
+</I>&gt;<i> their interest.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You can find more details at:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I'll update the tables for you.
+</I>&gt;<i> And if you feel that you can take on another apprentice, don't hesitate to post 
+</I>&gt;<i> to this thread.
+</I>
+I'm willing to take on another apprentice as long as they can speak English or
+Hebrew.
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish
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+&gt;<i> zezinho &lt;zezinho&gt; 0:1.1.13-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 258863
+</I>&gt;<i> - add a suggests for python-svn, as it does not work on svn repos without it
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+<PRE>09.06.2012 13:29, andre999 kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> OK.  To backport from Cauldron to mga1, we have to backport from Cauldron to mga2,
+</I>&gt;<i> (bumping the revision in cauldron to ensure that is is higher), then backport from mga2 to
+</I>&gt;<i> mga1, ensuring that the revision is lower in mga1 than in mga2.    (e.g. revision x.1 in
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron, x.0.1 in mga2, x.0.0.1 in mga1)  Pretty straight forward.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Cherry-picking refers to the users' option to install a backport, which has nothing to
+</I>&gt;<i> do with the packaging itself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Ensure that upgrades never fail :  Properly packaged, there is no reason why any
+</I>&gt;<i> available backports will not install properly, as long as the tools are appropriately
+</I>&gt;<i> adjusted.  Backports should install just as reliably as regular updates.
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, if a particular backport or update is not available, it won't install. 
+</I>&gt;<i> Packages requiring it should not install either, which may not always be the case now. 
+</I>&gt;<i> (This should be verified - for backports and updates.)
+</I>I see backports as the way to get some new stuff from cauldron before cauldron is fully
+stable. There is no point to backport from cauldron to n-2 (mga1 at the moment). If the user
+wants so much newer stuff s/he better upgrade to latest stable.
+
+To not fail upgrade you must make sure that n-1 backports are not newer than n +n's updates.
+You can't enable backports repo at upgrade time or it would upgrade all possible packages
+from backports repo. I'm quite sure most users don't want that to happen! Cherry-picking for
+me means that i can upgrade some packages from backports and then disable the repo. After
+that i'm still able to upgrade to fully stable next release (w/o backports).
+
+--
+Sander
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+Il 09/06/2012 12:39, Thomas Backlund ha scritto:
+&gt;&gt;<i> OK.  To backport from Cauldron to mga1, we have to backport from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cauldron to mga2, (bumping the revision in cauldron to ensure
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that is is higher), then backport from mga2 to mga1, ensuring
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that the revision is lower in mga1 than in mga2.    (e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> revision x.1 in cauldron, x.0.1 in mga2, x.0.0.1 in mga1)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Pretty straight forward.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Not needed as 1.mgaX &gt; 1.mga3 &gt; 1.mga2 &gt; 1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>IIUC the only problem is when in the above situation
+we have 1.1.mga1 for any reasons (bug fixing for instance, maybe not
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+I believe in that situation who makes the bug-fixing has to work on
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+Il 09/06/2012 20:38, Sander Lepik ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> I see backports as the way to get some new stuff from cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> before cauldron is fully stable. There is no point to backport from
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron to n-2 (mga1 at the moment). If the user wants so much
+</I>&gt;<i> newer stuff s/he better upgrade to latest stable.
+</I>There could be no point now -and maybe for you-, but it could be in
+future or for sombody who does not want to update to mga2 yet (kmail2,
+akonadi, kwallet issues) and want to get some leaf packages for his/her
+needs (firefox, mondevelop, ...).
+If we allow bp, and i'm in favor of that, we must consider all the
+possible cases, and must be able to upgrade to next mgaX without
+issues due to bp imho.
+
+&gt;<i> Cherry-picking for me means that i can upgrade some packages from
+</I>&gt;<i> backports and then disable the repo. After that i'm still able to
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade to fully stable next release (w/o backports).
+</I>I understood that also, and it should work exactly as we are using
+XXX_testing for some packages, if bp is approved must
+work as expected and allow either upgrade or disabling bp.
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+&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Following Backports opening due soon, and since our policy is that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports are supported (security, bugfix), we need a way to push backport
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates for users who installed backports. Otherwise, we can't really say
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that we're providing security updates to our backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My feature proposal is to implement something similar to what mgaonline +
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MageiaUpdate does for updates, but for backports, with some changes due to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the fact that users will rarely want that &quot;all&quot; packages on the system be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updated from backports when the backports media are activated.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Backports_update_applet">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Backports_update_applet</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think I can do the dev myself. I can work on more detailed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> specifications with a developer though.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> There are a multiple ways that this problem could be handled.
+</I>&gt;<i> Yours is one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel's way:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Need &quot;something&quot; to know that a backport package
+</I>&gt;<i> has been installed, to remember that fact, and to do an extra
+</I>&gt;<i> backport update search when looking for updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would need to keep working if the user changed desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> environments, or even stopped used a desktop and just used
+</I>&gt;<i> the command line.  Does mgaonline do this?  There could be
+</I>&gt;<i> room to improve that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If it can be detected that a backport package has been installed
+</I>&gt;<i> (or less efficiently, detect that a backports repository
+</I>&gt;<i> has been activated) set up a cron job (or reconfigure mgaonline)
+</I>&gt;<i> and leave it like that for the life of the installation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Geeks way:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Only use urpmi as a command line tool and edit urpmi.cfg with vi.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When activating a backports repository mark it as an update
+</I>&gt;<i> repository.  Then update with &quot;urpmi --excludemedia [backport media, ...]&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> accepting all suggestions, followed by &quot;urpmi --auto-select&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> and look at what is offered before accepting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My suggestion:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Add &quot;bp&quot; to the package name and have separate backports update
+</I>&gt;<i> repositories.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Users would then be able to cherry pick from backports and
+</I>&gt;<i> updates should _just work_ without extra intervention.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only difficulty that I can think of is, when a backport
+</I>&gt;<i> (or backport update) package is pushed to updates.  It would
+</I>&gt;<i> not be necessary to do a real update but the rpm database
+</I>&gt;<i> should be updated such that version N-bp supersedes version N.
+</I>&gt;<i> (And the N-bp packages should be removed from the repositories.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can anyone see any holes in the logic?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What would be easiest to implement?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>You got me thinking :)
+- Just marking all backport repos as update repos is almost enough to 
+solve the problem, in terms of the tools installing the backports.  
+Great idea !
+We just have to tweak the tools so that a backport is only installed as 
+an update of a backport.
+
+- Note that we should allow a non-backport to replace a backport, as 
+will likely be encountered in a release update.  If the versioning is 
+properly done (according to established packaging policy), a 
+non-backport in a newer release will have a higher version number, thus 
+replacing the backport.
+
+- Functioning as an update, it would only replace already installed 
+backports, once the tools are appropriately adjusted.
+
+- As with any update repo, one could always explicitly install a 
+backport which is not already installed.  No special treatment is 
+required for this.
+
+- using &quot;bp&quot; in the file name is nice and short, and definitively marks 
+it as a backport for the tools, and for the user once installed.  (I 
+would put it in the revision field.)
+I like this approach, as it doesn't matter from where the package is 
+installed; it will always be recognized as a backport.
+
+So I'm suggesting a variation of the last 2 solutions.
+I think that this would be relatively easy to implement.
+The trick is to find the right place in the code for the tweaks.
+(tv could probably do it really fast.)
+
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+Andr&#233;
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+Il 09/06/2012 22:53, andre999 ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> - Just marking all backport repos as update repos is almost enough
+</I>&gt;<i> to solve the problem, in terms of the tools installing the
+</I>&gt;<i> backports. Great idea ! We just have to tweak the tools so that a
+</I>&gt;<i> backport is only installed as an update of a backport.
+</I>e.g. as update repository.
+great, at least someone got my point, i think i have said that in the
+beginning of this thread or the related one for mgaupdate...
+
+&gt;<i> - using &quot;bp&quot; in the file name is nice and short, and definitively
+</I>&gt;<i> marks it as a backport for the tools, and for the user once
+</I>&gt;<i> installed.  (I would put it in the revision field.) I like this
+</I>&gt;<i> approach, as it doesn't matter from where the package is installed;
+</I>&gt;<i> it will always be recognized as a backport.
+</I>I'm not a rpm macro guru, but i think we should change mkrel for that
+and we should also manage bpmga1, bpmga2, etc. So I can't see why, since
+a bpmgaX package could always be uploaded without respecting any
+upgradable rules...
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+Just in case others are experiencing this, I've noticed recently that
+since Cauldron went to Firefox 13 I've seen frequent crashes, most often
+when interacting with Flash.
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+After getting annoyed enough about it today, I did some digging, got a
+(rubbish but mildly usable) backtrace and managed to do some educated
+Googling.
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+I ended up finding this:
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=759123">https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=759123</A>
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+The suggested solution of installing lib64proxy-webkit and removing
+lib64proxy-mozjs did the trick. Firefox has been much more stable.
+
+Just thought I'd share this with others should they also be suffering
+the same problem.
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+Depending on how widespread the problem is, we should maybe consider
+adding conflicts to firefox package on lib*proxy-mozjs.
+
+All the best
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>2012/6/9 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just in case others are experiencing this, I've noticed recently that
+</I>&gt;<i> since Cauldron went to Firefox 13 I've seen frequent crashes, most often
+</I>&gt;<i> when interacting with Flash.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After getting annoyed enough about it today, I did some digging, got a
+</I>&gt;<i> (rubbish but mildly usable) backtrace and managed to do some educated
+</I>&gt;<i> Googling.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I ended up finding this:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=759123">https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=759123</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The suggested solution of installing lib64proxy-webkit and removing
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64proxy-mozjs did the trick. Firefox has been much more stable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just thought I'd share this with others should they also be suffering
+</I>&gt;<i> the same problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Depending on how widespread the problem is, we should maybe consider
+</I>&gt;<i> adding conflicts to firefox package on lib*proxy-mozjs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All the best
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 09.06.2012 13:29, andre999 skrev:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK.  To backport from Cauldron to mga1, we have to backport from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cauldron to mga2, (bumping the revision in cauldron to ensure that is is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> higher), then backport from mga2 to mga1, ensuring that the revision is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lower in mga1 than in mga2.    (e.g. revision x.1 in cauldron, x.0.1 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mga2, x.0.0.1 in mga1)  Pretty straight forward.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> Not needed as 1.mgaX&gt;  1.mga3&gt;  1.mga2&gt;  1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+I was thinking of available packages changing between mga1 and mga2, but 
+if the backport is installed (with whatever requires being installed), 
+these requires wouldn't (or shouldn't) be removed with a release update 
+from mga1 to mga2.
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+But what do we do if a package required for installing the backport in 
+mga1 is not available due to conflicts in mga2 ?  Do we assume that the 
+conflicting package in mga2 has the appropriate provides, or even can 
+provide the required function ?
+Or do we try to detect such situations and remove the backport in question ?
+
+If we make a point of making a backport for mga2 (or upgrade if it 
+doesn't have to be a backport in mga2), then this problem would already 
+be resolved.
+Of course, most of the time this wouldn't be a problem, and we could 
+check for requires that are not available in mga2.
+Another thing that we should verify is the version specified for 
+requires.  That is very likely to change between release versions.
+
+Maybe a rule that the requires specified for the backport in the target 
+release should be compatible with Cauldron.
+That is, that all packages required for the backport in the target 
+release are provided in Cauldron (either by provides or the specific 
+package), and that the versions specified - if any - are compatible with 
+the versions available in Cauldron (and of course the target release).
+This should ensure that the requires would be available in any interim 
+releases.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> - Cherry-picking refers to the users' option to install a backport,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which has nothing to do with the packaging itself.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh but it has _everything_ to do with packaging...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in order for cherrypicking to work, the deps must be stricter so
+</I>&gt;<i> that any deps in backports gets selected along with the package
+</I>&gt;<i> the user is selecting.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+I was assuming that the requires would be well defined for a backport, 
+as they should be for any package.
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+It would be nice to have a tool to check for dependancies, if there 
+isn't one already.
+To avoid overlooking something because the test systems have some of the 
+dependancies already installed.  Particularly since QA would be less 
+implicated in the testing.
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> Il 09/06/2012 20:38, Sander Lepik ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I see backports as the way to get some new stuff from cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before cauldron is fully stable. There is no point to backport from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron to n-2 (mga1 at the moment). If the user wants so much
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> newer stuff s/he better upgrade to latest stable.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> There could be no point now -and maybe for you-, but it could be in
+</I>&gt;<i> future or for sombody who does not want to update to mga2 yet (kmail2,
+</I>&gt;<i> akonadi, kwallet issues) and want to get some leaf packages for his/her
+</I>&gt;<i> needs (firefox, mondevelop, ...).
+</I>&gt;<i> If we allow bp, and i'm in favor of that, we must consider all the
+</I>&gt;<i> possible cases, and must be able to upgrade to next mgaX without
+</I>&gt;<i> issues due to bp imho.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Angelo
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+    <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B> 
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+<PRE>i cannot use any more the google calendar in korganizer and probably i am affected from this bug :
+<A HREF="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301240">http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301240</A>
+<A HREF="http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8160/konqmageiaforum1.png">http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8160/konqmageiaforum1.png</A>
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+it means that i have to wait until Mageia 3 to have this update ?
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+It is a package that can be built without upgrade the whole KDE ?
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+    <B>Anssi Hannula</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bupdates-announce%5D%20MGASA-2012-0107%3A%0A%09quagga-0.99.18-1.2.mga1%20%281/core%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4FD45E92.4060906%40mageia.org%3E"
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+    <I>Sun Jun 10 10:45:06 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>10.06.2012 05:04, Mageia Updates kirjoitti:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> Affected Packages:
+</I>&gt;<i> quagga-0.99.18-1.2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> quagga-contrib-0.99.18-1.2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> lib(64)quagga0-0.99.18-1.2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> lib(64)quagga-devel-0.99.18-1.2.mga1
+</I>
+These are not the affected ( = vulnerable) packages, these are the
+updated packages...
+
+Could the update announcement template please be fixed?
+
+This affects all the announcements starting from this morning.
+
+-- 
+Anssi Hannula
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20akonadi-google%20update%20to%200.4.1%20needed&In-Reply-To=%3CCAOfq2QS-S_8BPGFJtu6Jb6PRRA-ndds%3DoVErR3yqY7kEeHNb3g%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed">fundawang at gmail.com
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+    <I>Sun Jun 10 11:11:58 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>I guess yes. akonadi-google was merged into kdepim-runtime 4.9, which
+will be the case of mageia 3.
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+If the author want to release akonadi-0.3.2 for kde 4.8, I'll be happy
+updating it.
+
+2012/6/10 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> i cannot use any more the google calendar in korganizer and probably i am affected from this bug :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301240">http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301240</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8160/konqmageiaforum1.png">http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8160/konqmageiaforum1.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it means that i have to wait until Mageia 3 to have this update ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is a package that can be built without upgrade the whole KDE ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bupdates-announce%5D%20MGASA-2012-0107%3A%0A%20quagga-0.99.18-1.2.mga1%20%281/core%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4FD46E43.5020806%40mageia.org%3E"
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+<PRE>10.06.2012 11:45, Anssi Hannula skrev:
+&gt;<i> 10.06.2012 05:04, Mageia Updates kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Affected Packages:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> quagga-0.99.18-1.2.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> quagga-contrib-0.99.18-1.2.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib(64)quagga0-0.99.18-1.2.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib(64)quagga-devel-0.99.18-1.2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> These are not the affected ( = vulnerable) packages, these are the
+</I>&gt;<i> updated packages...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Yep, it was a &quot;mind bug&quot; :)
+
+I was thinking of packages that this update affects ( = changes to),
+but ended up with bad wording...
+
+I should stop doing stuff in the middle of the night...
+
+
+&gt;<i> Could the update announcement template please be fixed?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Yep.
+
+&gt;<i> This affects all the announcements starting from this morning.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Thanks for pointing it out.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+    <B>John Balcaen</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20akonadi-google%20update%20to%200.4.1%20needed&In-Reply-To=%3CCABV-EOt_x15WkygdrqYxpD6DgK13n3pMWh5f2%3DEn3wGQT7O_4A%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed">mikala at mageia.org
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+    <I>Sun Jun 10 12:20:20 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>2012/6/10 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> It is a package that can be built without upgrade the whole KDE ?
+</I>Only akonadi-google.
+As said by fwang akondi-google is now merged in kdepim (libkgoogle
+under a specific library whith another name).
+The 0.3 branch also seems to be still active so we can expect a latter
+release (&amp; eventually use this git commit since the code (except for
+the rename) does not seems to have change a lot.
+
+
+
+-- 
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Feature:Grub2AsDefault (need adopters)">alien at rmail.be
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+    <I>Sun Jun 10 13:56:08 CEST 2012</I>
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+basically, people who can change the code slightly where needed to adapt to 
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories">alien at rmail.be
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+    <I>Sun Jun 10 13:54:32 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>see <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories</A>
+
+in essence, it's filling out the descriptions file.
+Can Sysadmins do this while they are moving the updates? Just until the tool 
+has been written for QA to do this themselves.
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+any comments on this?
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+    <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20akonadi-google%20update%20to%200.4.1%20needed&In-Reply-To=%3C1974680.UICqj0IX8i%40localhost.localdomain%3E"
+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed">dglent at gmail.com
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+    <I>Sun Jun 10 14:06:11 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>&#931;&#964;&#953;&#962; 10/06/2012 07:20:20 John Balcaen &#941;&#947;&#961;&#945;&#968;&#949;:
+&gt;<i>2012/6/10 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>[...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is a package that can be built without upgrade the whole KDE ?
+</I>&gt;<i>Only akonadi-google.
+</I>&gt;<i>As said by fwang akondi-google is now merged in kdepim (libkgoogle
+</I>&gt;<i>under a specific library whith another name).
+</I>&gt;<i>The 0.3 branch also seems to be still active so we can expect a latter
+</I>&gt;<i>release (&amp; eventually use this git commit since the code (except for
+</I>&gt;<i>the rename) does not seems to have change a lot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I replied to the bug report and i asked to release a new version, i hope that will be done soon.
+But it is something that i dont understand, i 've just found a way to sync my calendar with korganizer without the akonadi-google but with the calidav: 
+<A HREF="http://ossrocks.blogspot.fr/2012/02/sync-korganizer-and-google-calendar.html">http://ossrocks.blogspot.fr/2012/02/sync-korganizer-and-google-calendar.html</A>
+I tested and it works fine.  
+
+So, what does more the akonadi-google ?
+*Do you know if i can do the same thing for Tasks ?
+
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+-- 
+Dimitrios Glentadakis
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Feature:InstallerLeftSideRedesign (need	adopters/comments)">alien at rmail.be
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+    <I>Sun Jun 10 14:49:18 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>see <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:InstallerLeftSideRedesign">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:InstallerLeftSideRedesign</A>
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+in short, it means the left side of the installer could be partly 
+clickable/partly dynamic changed depending on various options chosen or via 
+which method/media you're installing.
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+ie: it looks differently if you're using live or DVD or network install and 
+some consistency in the steps. if you're in a certain step, that step should 
+be active and not the next/previous step.
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+<PRE>see <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign</A>
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+in short: basic design is good and reviewers say so, just allow rescan (for 
+usb) and in advanced mode, allow networked media NFS/drbd/iSCSI/AoE/... to be 
+shown too. (AND allow to install on NFS, needed for a diskless install via 
+PXE)
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+I'm personally spending some time in this one, but i can't do this alone. I 
+need some helpers.
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+    <B>John Balcaen</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20akonadi-google%20update%20to%200.4.1%20needed&In-Reply-To=%3CCABV-EOuK3ZY4WCuXs3NXzO8A%2B55dj2825noxZZxwnyvXuTu%3DdQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>2012/6/10 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+[....]
+&gt;<i> I replied to the bug report and i asked to release a new version, i hope that will be done soon.
+</I>Well in fact i probably misread the gitweb &amp; the 0.3 branch is indeed
+tagged in libkgoogle but not in akonadi-google :p
+So i don't know if we'll find an update (not to mention that 4.9 is on the way)
+
+&gt;<i> But it is something that i dont understand, i 've just found a way to sync my calendar with korganizer without the akonadi-google but with the calidav:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ossrocks.blogspot.fr/2012/02/sync-korganizer-and-google-calendar.html">http://ossrocks.blogspot.fr/2012/02/sync-korganizer-and-google-calendar.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I tested and it works fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, what does more the akonadi-google ?
+</I>Well google calendar support caldav since a long time, there was
+simply not native support for caldav in akonadi for kdepim 4.x.
+So akonadi-googledata &amp; later akonadi-google simply provides an answer
+for calendar/contacts support in kde.
+Also end users might not be able to configure &#171; easily &#187; the caldav
+agent while it's easy to enter your login/passwd for this instead of
+adding the &#171; long url &#187; &amp; especially do not forget the &quot;/&quot; .
+One more thing is that i'm not sure you have access to &#171; non local &#187;
+calendar via caldav (it's possible via akonadi-google).
+
+Just a question, which arch are you using ?
+I just build (not tested so far, while do it probably tonight) a i586
+package for mga2 with the git patch mentionned in the kde bug report
+(it should be attached to this mail so you can rebuild the 0.3.1 for
+x86_64 for example).
+
+&gt;<i> *Do you know if i can do the same thing for Tasks ?
+</I>No idea :p
+
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+Balcaen John
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+    <B>Balcaen John</B> 
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 10 juin 2012 11:30:48 vous avez &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Just a question, which arch are you using ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I just build (not tested so far, while do it probably tonight) 
+</I>Ok i just tested &amp; it seems to work without problem (i'm able at least to 
+add/authenticate from a &#171; fresh configuration &#187; ), please note that i did not 
+encounter your authentification error before.
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+    <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B> 
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+&gt;<i>Le dimanche 10 juin 2012 11:30:48 vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>[...] 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just a question, which arch are you using ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just build (not tested so far, while do it probably tonight) 
+</I>&gt;<i>Ok i just tested &amp; it seems to work without problem (i'm able at least to 
+</I>&gt;<i>add/authenticate from a &#171; fresh configuration &#187; ), please note that i did not 
+</I>&gt;<i>encounter your authentification error before.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I tested on my system 64bit and it works fine. I don't have the token failed error any more.
+
+I had this reply from the kde developer:
+
+&gt;<i> There will be no further release of akonadi-google ( = no tarballs with
+</I>&gt;<i> libkgoogle library and Akonadi resources together). Here's a proposed
+</I>&gt;<i> solution for you (or any other distributions):
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Distributions can package stable LibKGAPI. I will setup a scratch repo in
+</I>&gt;<i> git.kde.org/scratch/dvratil/akonadi-google-resources which will contain the
+</I>&gt;<i> Akonadi resources for Google from kdepim-runtime and I'll try to keep it in
+</I>&gt;<i> sync. The repository will have no versions or releases though, but I guess
+</I>&gt;<i> that should not be a problem (you can subscribe to repo RSS feed). The main
+</I>&gt;<i> feature development is going in LibKGAPI anyway and it has stable releases.
+</I><A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301240#c4">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301240#c4</A>
+
+
+Thanks very much (and for the clarification in the previous message)
+
+
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+    <B>Balcaen John</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed">mikala at mageia.org
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 10 juin 2012 17:36:15 Dimitrios Glentadakis a &#233;crit :
+[...]
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+&gt;<i> I tested on my system 64bit and it works fine. I don't have the token failed
+</I>&gt;<i> error any more.
+</I>Nice to hear,
+I'll add it on the todo list for mga2 then :o) ( QA team is going to hate me 
+:<i>p )
+</I>
+&gt;<i> I had this reply from the kde developer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There will be no further release of akonadi-google ( = no tarballs with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libkgoogle library and Akonadi resources together). Here's a proposed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; solution for you (or any other distributions):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Distributions can package stable LibKGAPI. I will setup a scratch repo in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; git.kde.org/scratch/dvratil/akonadi-google-resources which will contain
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Akonadi resources for Google from kdepim-runtime and I'll try to keep it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sync. The repository will have no versions or releases though, but I guess
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that should not be a problem (you can subscribe to repo RSS feed). The
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; main
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; feature development is going in LibKGAPI anyway and it has stable
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; releases.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301240#c4">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301240#c4</A>
+</I>Thanks,
+
+I'll have a look &amp; see what we can do for mga2 support.
+
+-- 
+Balcaen John
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+
+On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:21:37 +0100
+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The new openssl causes Handshake timeouts for me on some connections.
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. in xchat connecting to an ircd-hybrid SSL server.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Can't find any specific reference, but reverting to the mga2 version
+</I>&gt;<i> solves the problems.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Apparently, I was able to fix the problem by rebuilding the xchat source RPM.
+So, I submitted a new release to the build system. Please try it.
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+Regards,
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+	Shlomi Fish
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+&gt;<i> Cheers
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+</I>&gt;<i> Col
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+    <B>Marcello</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Le 04/06/2012 17:39, Marcello a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i've written some proposals for Mageia 3. Is there anyone who wants to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> adopt them?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CreateHibridISO">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CreateHibridISO</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you please use the proper name for these pages as stated here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#How_to_define_and_propose_a_feature">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#How_to_define_and_propose_a_feature</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+ok, now i'm really busy, as soon i have a little of spare time, i will 
+adapt the pages.
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+cheers,
+Marcello
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+&gt;<i> Hi Colin (and all),
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:21:37 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The new openssl causes Handshake timeouts for me on some connections.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> e.g. in xchat connecting to an ircd-hybrid SSL server.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can't find any specific reference, but reverting to the mga2 version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> solves the problems.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Apparently, I was able to fix the problem by rebuilding the xchat source RPM.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, I submitted a new release to the build system. Please try it.
+</I>
+This is annoying. The soname did not change, it is supposed to be compatible.
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+&gt;<i> On 6 June 2012 00:20, luigiwalser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; 
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> luigiwalser &lt;luigiwalser&gt; 1.0-1.rc4.0.r34991.1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 256023
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update to new svn snapshot r34991 (sync with mdv)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> mplayer-1.1: <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTExNDg">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTExNDg</A>
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+Yes, thanks.  I will update this next weekend.  I would have done it this weekend but I lost 
+internet (seems like the phone line got cut somewhere).
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+    <B>David Walser</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; 
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Colin (and all),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:21:37 +0100
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The new openssl causes Handshake timeouts for me on some connections.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> e.g. in xchat connecting to an ircd-hybrid SSL server.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can't find any specific reference, but reverting to the mga2 version
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> solves the problems.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Apparently, I was able to fix the problem by rebuilding the xchat source RPM.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, I submitted a new release to the build system. Please try it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This is annoying. The soname did not change, it is supposed to be compatible.
+</I>
+Indeed.  I wish there was an easier way to know what needs to be rebuilt when things get updated.
+
+Just FYI, Mandriva rebuilt a whole bunch of stuff when they updated to openssl 1.0.1.
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+PS - the same was true when they updated to ffmpeg 0.11, and we haven't follwed suit on that either.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 11/06/12 01:32 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Pascal Terjan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Colin (and all),
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:21:37 +0100
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The new openssl causes Handshake timeouts for me on some connections.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> e.g. in xchat connecting to an ircd-hybrid SSL server.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can't find any specific reference, but reverting to the mga2 version
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> solves the problems.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Apparently, I was able to fix the problem by rebuilding the xchat source RPM.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So, I submitted a new release to the build system. Please try it.
+</I>
+Confirmed that that solves the problem.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> This is annoying. The soname did not change, it is supposed to be compatible.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed.  I wish there was an easier way to know what needs to be rebuilt when things get updated.
+</I>
+Well it the .so name does not change then it *should* be ABI compatible.
+It seems in this case it's only API compatible but that doesn't rule out
+certain values, macros or flags changing such that everything needs a
+recompile.
+
+&gt;<i> Just FYI, Mandriva rebuilt a whole bunch of stuff when they updated to openssl 1.0.1.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> PS - the same was true when they updated to ffmpeg 0.11, and we haven't follwed suit on that either.
+</I>
+Well, as above it shouldn't be necessary, but &quot;shouldn't&quot; are &quot;isn't&quot;
+are two different things....
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+We need people with an AMD K10 CPU and mga2 to please test bug 6175.
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6175">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6175</A>
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+'dmesg | grep microcode' should tell you if you are affected.
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+QA can show the fix has been applied but not that it actually works, 
+without having the right hardware. We'd like to be sure before we 
+validate the update, if possible.
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+There is now microcode to test in Nonfree Updates Testing. Could you 
+please leave your comments on bug 6175.
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+    <B>Xavier Bertaux</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi
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+I can't connect to svn Sourceforge with ssh. Server answered bad library.
+Just on cauldron, work fine with 2
+
+Cheers
+Xavier
+
+Envoy&#233; de mon iPhone
+
+Le 11 juin 2012 &#224; 09:56, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> compatible but that doesn't rule out
+</I>&gt;<i> certain values, macros or flags changing such that everything needs a
+</I>&gt;<i> recompile.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just FYI, Mandriva rebuilt a whole bunch of stuff when they updated to openssl
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Xavier Bertaux at 11/06/12 09:05 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I can't connect to svn Sourceforge with ssh. Server answered bad library.
+</I>&gt;<i> Just on cauldron, work fine with 2
+</I>
+ssh seems to be working fine generally for me, but perhaps different end
+points have different requirements.
+
+That said, there was a problem in cauldron regarding libraries and such
+with the openssl upgrade, so if you upgraded your box during that window
+you might have some strange packages installed (a mix of the old and new).
+
+I had to manually removed and install the libs to get a clean install
+because I upgraded at the wrong time (and there were no warnings via
+rpmdrake).
+
+Make sure you copy all the relevant packages to your machine first tho',
+as wget and curl and scp etc. will all stop working if you remove
+libssl! RPM still works to install it tho' which is nice.
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+I started to have a look at the code with the help
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+so it's very hard to me. I'm trying to involve other
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 11/06/2012 09:56, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Well it the .so name does not change then it *should* be ABI compatible.
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems in this case it's only API compatible but that doesn't rule out
+</I>&gt;<i> certain values, macros or flags changing such that everything needs a
+</I>&gt;<i> recompile.
+</I>Just rebuilding openssl with different build options already triggered 
+such kind of issues. I remember adding SNI support broke ntp in the 
+past, until this last package was rebuilt. The safe way should be to 
+rebuild everything right now, but given than almost everything in the 
+distribution uses this library, I think just letting normal update flow 
+should be enough, unless actual problems are found.
+
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #335:
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+the AA battery in the wallclock sends magnetic interference
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+    <B>zezinho</B> 
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+<PRE>hi, toying with a pure IPv6 connection, I could not resolve DNS without 
+installing &quot;rdnssd&quot;. Maybe this one could be in the basesystem for MGA3?
+
+I tried to also display IPv6 scope global address in net_applet's tray icon.
+It needs an &quot;urpmi perl-Regexp-IPv6&quot;, so would bring a new requires in 
+drakx-net.
+Feel free to comment as I do NOT know Perl!
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+- So I added to lib/network/tools.pm :
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+use Regexp::IPv6 qw($IPv6_re);
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+sub get_interface_ip6_address {
+     my ($net, $interface) = @_;
+     `/sbin/ip addr show dev $interface` =~ 
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+     'no global address';
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+           &quot;\n\n&quot; . N(&quot;IPv6 address: %s&quot;, 
+network::tools::get_interface_ip6_address($net, $interface)) .
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+
+just below :
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+           &quot;\n\n&quot; . N(&quot;IP address: %s&quot;, 
+network::tools::get_interface_ip_address($net, $interface)) .
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 11/06/12 01:32 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed.  I wish there was an easier way to know what needs to be rebuilt
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when things get updated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well it the .so name does not change then it *should* be ABI compatible.
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems in this case it's only API compatible but that doesn't rule out
+</I>&gt;<i> certain values, macros or flags changing such that everything needs a
+</I>&gt;<i> recompile.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just FYI, Mandriva rebuilt a whole bunch of stuff when they updated to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> openssl 1.0.1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PS - the same was true when they updated to ffmpeg 0.11, and we haven't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> follwed suit on that either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, as above it shouldn't be necessary, but &quot;shouldn't&quot; are &quot;isn't&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> are two different things....
+</I>
+perhaps, after submission, it could suggest which are dependant on what
+you've just submitted?
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode">alien at rmail.be
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Hi guys
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need people with an AMD K10 CPU and mga2 to please test bug 6175.
+</I>
+is this Phenom machines? what kind of CPU's are in the K10 category?
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+    <B>zezinho</B> 
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+<PRE>Em 11-06-2012 11:52, AL13N escreveu:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Hi guys
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We need people with an AMD K10 CPU and mga2 to please test bug 6175.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> is this Phenom machines? what kind of CPU's are in the K10 category?
+</I>
+Yes Phenom are K10, as recent Mobile Athlons. The only question is : 
+does it load an updated AMD firmware?
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Hi guys
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We need people with an AMD K10 CPU and mga2 to please test bug 6175.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> is this Phenom machines? what kind of CPU's are in the K10 category?
+</I>
+I've no idea. Wikipedia says yes though..
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+since the new busybox (which I maintain in Mageia) package did not build with
+the uClibc version that was present in Cauldron, I grab maintainership for
+uClibc too, and commited a new uClibc package to the svn (based a lot on the
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+Which programs are using it on a Mageia system that I can use to test?
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Le 11/06/2012 09:56, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well it the .so name does not change then it *should* be ABI compatible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It seems in this case it's only API compatible but that doesn't rule out
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> certain values, macros or flags changing such that everything needs a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recompile.
+</I>&gt;<i> Just rebuilding openssl with different build options already triggered
+</I>&gt;<i> such kind of issues. I remember adding SNI support broke ntp in the
+</I>&gt;<i> past, until this last package was rebuilt. The safe way should be to
+</I>&gt;<i> rebuild everything right now, but given than almost everything in the
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution uses this library, I think just letting normal update flow
+</I>&gt;<i> should be enough, unless actual problems are found.
+</I>
+Probably true and I think we should ensure that a full rebuild is done
+before the beta cycle anwyay. We did moot this for mga2 but it was
+deemed (correctly IMO) too late to start messing with that.
+
+But until then a full rebuild is likely overkill.
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 11/06/12 10:19 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 11/06/2012 09:56, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Well it the .so name does not change then it *should* be ABI
+</I>compatible.
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It seems in this case it's only API compatible but that doesn't rule
+</I>out
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; certain values, macros or flags changing such that everything needs a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; recompile.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just rebuilding openssl with different build options already triggered
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; such kind of issues. I remember adding SNI support broke ntp in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; past, until this last package was rebuilt. The safe way should be to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rebuild everything right now, but given than almost everything in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distribution uses this library, I think just letting normal update flow
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; should be enough, unless actual problems are found.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Probably true and I think we should ensure that a full rebuild is done
+</I>&gt;<i> before the beta cycle anwyay. We did moot this for mga2 but it was
+</I>&gt;<i> deemed (correctly IMO) too late to start messing with that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But until then a full rebuild is likely overkill.
+</I>What about gcc 4.7? I think we should switch to that one as well. And then
+rebuild is needed anyway. So full rebuild at the moment is probably not the
+best idea.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Sander Lepik at 11/06/12 11:44 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Jun 11, 2012 1:14 PM, &quot;Colin Guthrie&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 11/06/12 10:19 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le 11/06/2012 09:56, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Well it the .so name does not change then it *should* be ABI
+</I>&gt;<i> compatible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It seems in this case it's only API compatible but that doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> rule out
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; certain values, macros or flags changing such that everything needs a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; recompile.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Just rebuilding openssl with different build options already triggered
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; such kind of issues. I remember adding SNI support broke ntp in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; past, until this last package was rebuilt. The safe way should be to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; rebuild everything right now, but given than almost everything in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; distribution uses this library, I think just letting normal update flow
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; should be enough, unless actual problems are found.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Probably true and I think we should ensure that a full rebuild is done
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before the beta cycle anwyay. We did moot this for mga2 but it was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> deemed (correctly IMO) too late to start messing with that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But until then a full rebuild is likely overkill.
+</I>&gt;<i> What about gcc 4.7? I think we should switch to that one as well. And
+</I>&gt;<i> then rebuild is needed anyway. So full rebuild at the moment is probably
+</I>&gt;<i> not the best idea.
+</I>
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 08/06/12 13:21 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The new openssl causes Handshake timeouts for me on some connections.
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. in xchat connecting to an ircd-hybrid SSL server.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Can't find any specific reference, but reverting to the mga2 version
+</I>&gt;<i> solves the problems.
+</I>
+Seems apache is also suffering...
+
+Core was generated by `/usr/sbin/httpd -k start'.
+Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
+#0  0x0000003fca244310 in SSL_CTX_ctrl () from /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+(gdb) p
+The history is empty.
+(gdb) bt
+#0  0x0000003fca244310 in SSL_CTX_ctrl () from /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+#1  0x00007fb02ad98e5a in ?? () from /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so
+#2  0x00007fb02ad9c01f in ?? () from /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so
+#3  0x0000003fca234142 in ssl_check_clienthello_tlsext () from
+/usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+#4  0x0000003fca21e06a in ssl3_get_client_hello () from
+/usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+#5  0x0000003fca222c25 in ssl3_accept () from /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+#6  0x0000003fca230640 in ssl23_accept () from /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+#7  0x00007fb02ad97218 in ?? () from /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so
+#8  0x00007fb02ad97810 in ?? () from /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so
+#9  0x000000000042b7b5 in ap_rgetline_core ()
+#10 0x000000000042dbde in ap_read_request ()
+#11 0x0000000000448f80 in ?? ()
+#12 0x0000000000444218 in ap_run_process_connection ()
+#13 0x000000000045170f in ?? ()
+#14 0x0000000000451f7c in ?? ()
+#15 0x0000000000452b4a in ap_mpm_run ()
+#16 0x0000000000424428 in main ()
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+As with xchat, a rebuild seems to fix it. Submitted.
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 28/03/12 13:46 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 27/03/12 19:47 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It was updated for a security update in Mageia 1 but was not updated in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cauldron, so it won't currently be updated when upgrading to Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The new version fixes usage with PHP 5.3.9 and newer.  I confirmed locally
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that it builds, installs, and works properly.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It also contains ABI breakage:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library
+</I>&gt;<i> '/usr/lib64/php/extensions/mbstring.so' -
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/php/extensions/mbstring.so: undefined symbol:
+</I>&gt;<i> mbfl_identify_encoding_no in Unknown on line 0
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I will try rebuilding PHP, but really this is a broken update!
+</I>
+This has now reappeared in cauldron due to this lib being updated...
+
+I'll post more in a reply to the update email to keep things relevant.
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C4FD5D376.3000401%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and spuhler at 10/06/12 01:11 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Name        : libmbfl                      Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 1.2.0                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Sun Jun 10 02:10:21 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group       : System/Libraries              Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size        : 776978                           License: LGPL
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://sourceforge.jp/projects/php-i18n/">http://sourceforge.jp/projects/php-i18n/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary     : Streamable kanji code filter and converter
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> This is Libmbfl, a streamable multibyte character code filter and converter
+</I>&gt;<i> library.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 1.2.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 259179
+</I>&gt;<i> - upgrade to 1.2.0
+</I>
+This breaks PHP and other things that use the
+mbfl_identify_encoding_no() symbols.
+
+1.2.0 is seriously broken. Please revert or find a proper fix without
+this PHP is pretty useless.
+
+We discovered this during the freeze cycle, so I think a proper fix
+should be found (maybe a PHP patch? maybe a patch to this lib), or
+accept that it should simply not be updated and a comment indicating as
+much added to the spec to prevent future submissions.
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+Hi,
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+here is my current plan for landing new GLIBC and GCC on Cauldron.
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+GCC-4.7.1 is currently in RC stage and will be finalized by end of
+this week if no release-critical bugs shows up.
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+So after it is actually released I plan to start working on
+upgrading  it, probably around the end of next week...
+(and I will probably sync up with later 4.7.x if released in
+  good time before mga3)
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+Now this upstream GCC timeline matches somewhat the GLIBC one.
+
+GLIBC 2.15.1 release is scheduled for end of this month.
+
+GLIBC 2.16.0 release is scheduled for beginning of next month.
+
+Because of this I have plans to skip 2.15 and go straight for
+2.16 (and sync up with 2.16.x ~november '12) for mga3 if it
+works better in the tests than the mess called 2.15.
+
+And so far 2.16 seems to be shaping up nicely.
+(yes I know 2.17 is sheduled ~november '12 too, but going
+  by past glibc schedules and releases I think it will be
+  too late for mga3 as I want a very stable core package)
+
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+So if we try to &quot;merge&quot; theese schedules somewhat, both new
+gcc and glibc should be available ~mid/end july and after
+that we should plan for a full rebuild of Cauldron.
+
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+Comments? Objections?
+
+Does this sound like a good plan?
+
+--
+Thomas
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+<PRE>On 11 June 2012 14:14, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> here is my current plan for landing new GLIBC and GCC on Cauldron.
+</I>
+(...)
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+&gt;<i> Comments? Objections?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does this sound like a good plan?
+</I>
+Looks good to me.
+Though I would push gcc-4.7.0 now for testing.
+If you've a build of glibc-2.15.1, I would like to grab it
+in order to see if 2.15 big issues are resolved at least.
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 10/05/2012 19:47, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, 22 Apr 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Despite not realling blocking for mageia 2 release, the issue is still to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> address, the sooner the better.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Here are the previous discussion references:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3101">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3101</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-March/013649.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-March/013649.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Various proposal sofar:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1) provide an upgrade package with current content and some README.urpmi
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file telling to fetch it from oracle
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2) provide an upgrade package with just the README.urpmi file
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3) provide an upgrade package with some kind of automated downloading
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> script
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We need both a consensus and someone to implement it, preferentially the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> maintainer of course.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anything new on this issue ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would vote for obsoleting java-1.6.0-sun in task-obsolete package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Everyone, including the maintainer, agreed on option 2 sofar...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Morgan, do you intend to handle it yourself, or do you prefer someone else
+</I>&gt;<i> to do it instead ?
+</I>
+i can do it, but i would need help to write the README.urpmi   if possible
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 11/06/12 13:14 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Comments? Objections?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Does this sound like a good plan?
+</I>
+That sounds pretty sensible to me.
+
+KUTGW :)
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+<PRE>On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:14:01 +0300
+Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> here is my current plan for landing new GLIBC and GCC on Cauldron.
+</I>[SNIP]
+&gt;<i> So if we try to &quot;merge&quot; theese schedules somewhat, both new
+</I>&gt;<i> gcc and glibc should be available ~mid/end july and after
+</I>&gt;<i> that we should plan for a full rebuild of Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Comments? Objections?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Does this sound like a good plan?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Sounds good.
+
+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've upload new rpm-4.10.0 with adapted perl-URPM &amp; urpmi in
+</I>&gt;<i> core/updates_testing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-URPM &amp; urpmi testsuites pass OK
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi urpme &amp; rpmdrake works OK
+</I>
+I've rebuild everything using rpm.
+Latest perl-URPM fixes importing pubkeys.
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+Status:
+======
+- perl-URPM &amp; urpmi testsuites pass OK
+- urpmi, urpme works OK
+- rpmdrake works OK
+- iurt works OK
+- drakx installer works OK
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+So I suggests moving core/updates_testing related stuff to core/release
+in order to get more test coverage.
+(at least *4.10.0*, perl-URPM &amp; perl-RPM4 else iurt may break).
+Full list:  *4.10.0*, perl-URPM, perl-RPM4, satsolver*, *zypp*, sectool*,
+*report*, *apt*, systemtap*, rpmstats*, *extract*, *abrt*, *deltarpm*
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+    <B>Claire Robinson</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Em 11-06-2012 11:52, AL13N escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi guys
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We need people with an AMD K10 CPU and mga2 to please test bug 6175.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is this Phenom machines? what kind of CPU's are in the K10 category?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes Phenom are K10, as recent Mobile Athlons. The only question is :
+</I>&gt;<i> does it load an updated AMD firmware?
+</I>
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+AL13N has tested successfully x86_64, thankyou.
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+Is anybody able to test this i586?
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6175">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6175</A>
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+Many thanks
+Claire
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+    <B>Thomas Spuhler</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and spuhler at 10/06/12 01:11 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name        : libmbfl                      Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version     : 1.2.0                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Sun Jun 10
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 02:10:21 2012 Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; jonund.mageia.org Group       : System/Libraries              Source
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Size        : 776978                           License: LGPL
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager    : spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; URL         : <A HREF="http://sourceforge.jp/projects/php-i18n/">http://sourceforge.jp/projects/php-i18n/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary     : Streamable kanji code filter and converter
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is Libmbfl, a streamable multibyte character code filter and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; converter library.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 1.2.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 259179
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - upgrade to 1.2.0
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This breaks PHP and other things that use the
+</I>&gt;<i> mbfl_identify_encoding_no() symbols.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 1.2.0 is seriously broken. Please revert or find a proper fix without
+</I>&gt;<i> this PHP is pretty useless.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We discovered this during the freeze cycle, so I think a proper fix
+</I>&gt;<i> should be found (maybe a PHP patch? maybe a patch to this lib), or
+</I>&gt;<i> accept that it should simply not be updated and a comment indicating as
+</I>&gt;<i> much added to the spec to prevent future submissions.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>I detected it as well. I an working on it. Seems mdv doesn't have the problem, 
+at least not on my cooker box.
+
+-- 
+Best regards
+Thomas Spuhler
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 11/06/12 15:02 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Monday, June 11, 2012 04:16:06 AM Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and spuhler at 10/06/12 01:11 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : libmbfl                      Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 1.2.0                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Sun Jun 10
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 02:10:21 2012 Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> jonund.mageia.org Group       : System/Libraries              Source
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size        : 776978                           License: LGPL
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://sourceforge.jp/projects/php-i18n/">http://sourceforge.jp/projects/php-i18n/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary     : Streamable kanji code filter and converter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is Libmbfl, a streamable multibyte character code filter and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> converter library.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 1.2.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 259179
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - upgrade to 1.2.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This breaks PHP and other things that use the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mbfl_identify_encoding_no() symbols.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1.2.0 is seriously broken. Please revert or find a proper fix without
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this PHP is pretty useless.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We discovered this during the freeze cycle, so I think a proper fix
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should be found (maybe a PHP patch? maybe a patch to this lib), or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> accept that it should simply not be updated and a comment indicating as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> much added to the spec to prevent future submissions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> I detected it as well. I an working on it. Seems mdv doesn't have the problem, 
+</I>&gt;<i> at least not on my cooker box.
+</I>
+Maybe PHP 5.4.* doesn't use those symbols any more?
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Claire Robinson</B> 
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+<PRE>On 07/06/12 15:13, nicolas vigier wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 07 Jun 2012, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This bug has been raised during last packagers meeting. This has been a big
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> discussion since ages now. And dealing specifically with Mageia, it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> causing lots of troubles also in QA team.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After discussions yesterday evening, it seems solutions do exist. But still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it needs some volunteers to work on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Main concern seems to be that it could make MageiaUpdate very slow. So
+</I>&gt;<i> what is needed is a patch to make MageiaUpdate use only update medias
+</I>&gt;<i> when searching for new updates, but all medias when installing. And some
+</I>&gt;<i> tests to compare speed before and after applying patch, to check if it
+</I>&gt;<i> is still acceptable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+ping for volunteers :)
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+<PRE>On 3 June 2012 12:21,  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> really use oxygen theme
+</I>
+(...)
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+&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/list.xml	2012-06-03 07:45:29 UTC
+</I>&gt;<i> (rev 4788)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/list.xml	2012-06-03 10:21:12 UTC
+</I>&gt;<i> (rev 4789)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -186,7 +186,7 @@
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+</I>&gt;<i>    /usr/lib/libDrakX/keyboard.pm
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+I'm not against this since:
+- Ia Ora is unmainted
+- Oxygen is our default theme
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+However, since installer runs with fbdev in 16 mode, it's a little ugly.
+Also we need to change the background as the greys &quot;collide&quot;.
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+    <B>zezinho</B> 
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+<PRE>Em 02-03-2012 21:37, Wojtulas escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Hi!
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+</I>&gt;<i> Why QT3 isn't available in Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is sill developed and it's needed for some users.
+</I>
+Developped? Last release is from 15-03-2007!
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+It is not in Mageia as there is no security updates available.
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+warning: Schema 'org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Logger' has path 
+'/apps/telepathy-logger/'.  Paths starting with '/apps/', '/desktop/' or 
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+warning: Schema 'org.freedesktop.gstreamer-0.10.default-elements' has 
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+warning: Schema 'org.gnome.Cheese' has path '/apps/cheese/'.  Paths 
+starting with '/apps/', '/desktop/' or '/system/' are deprecated.
+warning: Schema 'org.gnome.Vino' has path 
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+warning: Schema 'org.gnome.crypto.cache' has path 
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+warning: Schema 'org.gnome.crypto.pgp' has path 
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+warning: Schema 'org.gnome.EpiphanyExtensions.smart-bookmarks' has path 
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+warning: Schema 'org.gnome.EpiphanyExtensions.tab-states' has path 
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+'/desktop/' or '/system/' are deprecated.
+warning: Schema 'org.gnome.seahorse' has path '/apps/seahorse/'. Paths 
+starting with '/apps/', '/desktop/' or '/system/' are deprecated.
+warning: Schema 'org.gnome.seahorse.manager' has path 
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+warning: Schema 'org.gnome.system.dns_sd' has path '/system/dns-sd/'.  
+Paths starting with '/apps/', '/desktop/' or '/system/' are deprecated.
+warning: Schema 'org.gnome.system.locale' has path '/system/locale/'.  
+Paths starting with '/apps/', '/desktop/' or '/system/' are deprecated.
+warning: Schema 'org.gnome.system.proxy' has path '/system/proxy/'. 
+Paths starting with '/apps/', '/desktop/' or '/system/' are deprecated.
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+warning: Schema 'org.gnome.system.proxy.ftp' has path 
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+warning: Schema 'org.gnome.system.proxy.socks' has path 
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+warning: Schema 'org.gnome.system.smb' has path '/system/smb/'. Paths 
+starting with '/apps/', '/desktop/' or '/system/' are deprecated.
+warning: Schema 'org.gnome.totem.plugins.publish' has path 
+'/apps/totem/plugins/publish/'.  Paths starting with '/apps/', 
+'/desktop/' or '/system/' are deprecated.
+warning: Schema 
+'org.yorba.shotwell.sharing.org-yorba-shotwell-publishing-piwigo' has 
+path '/apps/shotwell/sharing/org-yorba-shotwell-publishing-piwigo/'. 
+Paths starting with '/apps/', '/desktop/' or '/system/' are deprecated.
+warning: Schema 
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+Paths starting with '/apps/', '/desktop/' or '/system/' are deprecated.
+warning: Schema 'org.yorba.shotwell' has path '/apps/shotwell/'. Paths 
+starting with '/apps/', '/desktop/' or '/system/' are deprecated.
+warning: Schema 'org.yorba.shotwell.preferences' has path 
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+warning: Schema 'org.yorba.shotwell.preferences.ui' has path 
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+warning: Schema 'org.yorba.shotwell.preferences.slideshow' has path 
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+warning: Schema 'org.yorba.shotwell.preferences.window' has path 
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+warning: Schema 'org.yorba.shotwell.preferences.files' has path 
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+warning: Schema 'org.yorba.shotwell.preferences.editing' has path 
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+warning: Schema 'org.yorba.shotwell.sharing' has path 
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+warning: Schema 'org.yorba.shotwell.sharing.facebook' has path 
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+warning: Schema 'org.yorba.shotwell.video' has path 
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+warning: Schema 'org.yorba.shotwell.plugins.enable-state' has path 
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+<PRE>On 11 June 2012 19:22, Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Whatever's causing this showed up on distrib-coffee in the last few
+</I>&gt;<i> hours....
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+1) that's not errors but warnings
+2) we see them for more than a month
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 11 June 2012 19:22, Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Whatever's causing this showed up on distrib-coffee in the last few
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hours....
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) that's not errors but warnings
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) we see them for more than a month
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hmmm,  I upgraded this morning and didn't see anything like this. On the 
+other hand, I've been off the grid for about 3 weeks, and didn't really 
+watch the massive upgrade I did to catch up when I returned, so I guess 
+the problem could have been triggered a month ago and only shows up when 
+certain packages are updated.
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+    <I>Mon Jun 11 20:04:40 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 2 maart 2012 21:37:40 schreef Wojtulas:
+&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Why QT3 isn't available in Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> It is sill developed and it's needed for some users.
+</I>
+I assume you mean it's still being used as development for apps.
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+iinm we decided to drop qt3 support in MGA1 already, but we still maintain LSB 
+compliance. so i suppose if you install a third party app that uses it, it 
+could still work.
+
+nevertheless, there has been requests of maintaining trinity, but it had to be 
+properly maintained and qt3 also, which proved to be too much for these 
+persons.
+
+i would say, if you really want to, you'd have to maintain it all yourself (or 
+you'd have to get enough volunteers) and had to guarantee it would not conflict 
+with qt4 and have security updates and you'd have to fix all the bugs, 
+essentially, you'd be the single upstream and downstream...
+
+imho it's too much for a single person, so it's not very likely it's gonna get 
+in there.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today">mageia at colin.guthr.ie
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+    <I>Mon Jun 11 20:23:21 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 11/06/12 19:04 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> and only shows up when certain packages are updated
+</I>
+Yeah I think it only happens when gconf schemas are updated or
+something. i.e. it's the result of a filetrigger somewhere.
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Upgrade%20errors%20today&In-Reply-To=%3C4FD637DF.3080302%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"
+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today">mageia at colin.guthr.ie
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 11/06/12 19:23 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 11/06/12 19:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and only shows up when certain packages are updated
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah I think it only happens when gconf schemas are updated or
+</I>&gt;<i> something. i.e. it's the result of a filetrigger somewhere.
+</I>
+Yup, it happens whenever this is run:
+/var/lib/rpm/filetriggers/glib-compile-schemas.script
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+
+Col
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 11 June 2012 19:22, Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Whatever's causing this showed up on distrib-coffee in the last few
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hours....
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) that's not errors but warnings
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) we see them for more than a month
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Yep. They were already around during mga2 beta testing,
+but we disabled the warnings for RC and final in
+glib2.0-2.32.1-2.mga2 on April 25th, 2012
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+But for Cauldron they are shown as it needs to be fixed
+for mga3
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+&gt;<i> I tried download <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/get/?q=Mageia-2-beta3-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-i586-CD.iso&amp;torrent=1">http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/get/?q=Mageia-2-beta3-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-i586-CD.iso&amp;torrent=1</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I got only &quot;faliled to change direcototry&quot; etc&#160; :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That's because that's an old link for beta release, Mageia 2 final was
+released on May 22. You can get the final version from:
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+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/</A>
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories">boklm at mars-attacks.org
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+<PRE>On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, AL13N wrote:
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+&gt;<i> see <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> in essence, it's filling out the descriptions file.
+</I>&gt;<i> Can Sysadmins do this while they are moving the updates? Just until the tool 
+</I>&gt;<i> has been written for QA to do this themselves.
+</I>
+Yes, we need someone to fill out the descriptions file until the tools
+to generate it are ready. Thanks for volunteering !
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+We can sync the descriptions file on the mirror from svn automatically.
+And you are responsible for browsing validated updates on bugzilla every
+day to manually fill out the descriptions file for each new package. Ok ?
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+<PRE>Op maandag 11 juni 2012 23:52:42 schreef nicolas vigier:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; see <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in essence, it's filling out the descriptions file.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Can Sysadmins do this while they are moving the updates? Just until the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tool has been written for QA to do this themselves.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, we need someone to fill out the descriptions file until the tools
+</I>&gt;<i> to generate it are ready. Thanks for volunteering !
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We can sync the descriptions file on the mirror from svn automatically.
+</I>
+any idea where the location of the svn file is?
+
+&gt;<i> And you are responsible for browsing validated updates on bugzilla every
+</I>&gt;<i> day to manually fill out the descriptions file for each new package. Ok ?
+</I>
+hmm, sounds like alot of work.
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+is there a way to have QA do this when they validate an update? iirc they need 
+to send out an email anyway with the advisory text?
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Op maandag 11 juni 2012 23:52:42 schreef nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; see <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; in essence, it's filling out the descriptions file.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Can Sysadmins do this while they are moving the updates? Just until the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; tool has been written for QA to do this themselves.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, we need someone to fill out the descriptions file until the tools
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to generate it are ready. Thanks for volunteering !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We can sync the descriptions file on the mirror from svn automatically.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> any idea where the location of the svn file is?
+</I>
+It's not on svn yet, but can be added if you want to be responsible for
+filling that descriptions file.
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And you are responsible for browsing validated updates on bugzilla every
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; day to manually fill out the descriptions file for each new package. Ok ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> hmm, sounds like alot of work.
+</I>
+That's why it's not done now. And is waiting until we have tools to
+generate that file automatically with the advisory email.
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi all,
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+here is a small HOWTO about using OpenSSL with Mageia Cauldron applications
+that broke with the new version of the &quot;openssl&quot; package (1.0.1), such as svn
+with <A HREF="https://">https://</A> URLs:
+
+1. Download openssl-1.0.0j.tar.gz from:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.openssl.org/source/">http://www.openssl.org/source/</A>
+
+2. Unpack it.
+
+3. Use the following shell script to configure it (you can customise the
+ossl_pref prefix to your liking:
+
+[QUOTE]
+#!/bin/bash
+ossl_pref=&quot;$HOME/apps/openssl&quot;
+./config --prefix=&quot;$ossl_pref&quot; --openssldir=&quot;$ossl_pref/openssl&quot; shared
+[/QUOTE]
+
+There is more coverage of this here:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.devside.net/guides/linux/openssl">http://www.devside.net/guides/linux/openssl</A>
+
+4. Add the following lines to your .bashrc:
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+[QUOTE]
+oldssl()
+{
+    export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=&quot;$HOME/apps/openssl/lib/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH&quot;
+}
+[/QUOTE]
+
+5. Now when you want to use svn with <A HREF="https://">https://</A> or whatever just type &quot;oldssl&quot;
+first.
+
+-------------
+
+I've tried to fix svn in Cauldron, but rebuilding it didn't help, and trying to
+rebuild libneon0.27 caused &quot;%check&quot; to fail. This was reported here:
+
+<A HREF="http://lists.manyfish.co.uk/pipermail/neon/2012-June/001473.html">http://lists.manyfish.co.uk/pipermail/neon/2012-June/001473.html</A>
+
+I tried to build libneon0.27 against gnutls, but I got a compilation
+error.
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish
+
+On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:21:37 +0100
+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The new openssl causes Handshake timeouts for me on some connections.
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. in xchat connecting to an ircd-hybrid SSL server.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Can't find any specific reference, but reverting to the mga2 version
+</I>&gt;<i> solves the problems.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+
+
+-- 
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
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+Linux, is a good text editor.
+    &#8212; based on <A HREF="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Emacs">http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Emacs</A>
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 12 juni 2012 00:14:55 schreef nicolas vigier:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 11 Jun 2012, AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op maandag 11 juni 2012 23:52:42 schreef nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; see <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; in essence, it's filling out the descriptions file.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Can Sysadmins do this while they are moving the updates? Just until
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; tool has been written for QA to do this themselves.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Yes, we need someone to fill out the descriptions file until the tools
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; to generate it are ready. Thanks for volunteering !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; We can sync the descriptions file on the mirror from svn automatically.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; any idea where the location of the svn file is?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not on svn yet, but can be added if you want to be responsible for
+</I>&gt;<i> filling that descriptions file.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; And you are responsible for browsing validated updates on bugzilla every
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; day to manually fill out the descriptions file for each new package. Ok
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hmm, sounds like alot of work.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That's why it's not done now. And is waiting until we have tools to
+</I>&gt;<i> generate that file automatically with the advisory email.
+</I>
+while this sounds nice (is the advisory email also manually?), it might take a 
+while to get this done.
+
+I was thinking if we have QA do this at the moment they validate the email and 
+have them commit directly to a svn location. is this possible as a quick 
+solution?
+
+perhaps you could add some details and howtos and pointers on that Feature? 
+since this is about the tool for it?
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+<PRE>On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:47:56 -0400, Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:43 PM, tumbeliina &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tumbeliina at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>
+                    ~~~~~~~~~~~
+
+&gt;<i> That's because that's an old link for beta release, Mageia 2 final was
+</I>&gt;<i> released on May 22. You can get the final version from:
+</I>
+Note the date.
+
+Seems old messages are just getting approved by moderators now.
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+<PRE>On 06/11/2012 10:22 PM, guillomovitch wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name        : nfs-utils                    Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 1.2.6                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Jun 11 22:21:14 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group       : Networking/Other              Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size        : 787418                           License: GPL
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/nfs/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/nfs/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary     : The utilities for Linux NFS server
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> This package provides various programs needed for NFS support on server.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 1:1.2.6-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 259882
+</I>&gt;<i> - add exports.d directory
+</I>&gt;<i> - use /var/lib/nfs/statd for statd, instead of /var/lib/nfs, as in fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> - add modprobe config file to alias 'nfs4' to 'nfs'
+</I>&gt;<i> - add systemd support
+</I>&gt;<i> - drop sysinit support
+</I>&gt;<i> - merge client and server package, as per redhat setup
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Some weird things happen with this and systemd...
+I had nfs server active. After update and reboot, I had no nfs server
+running.
+What do I have to add in systemd to get them working ?
+I got it by:
+systemctl enable nfs.target (still had no server...)
+systemctl enable nfs-server.service
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+Are those the correct top level units ?
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+TIA
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+    <B>Agron Selimaj</B> 
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+I noticed you have become my mentor. I was impatiently waiting to get
+started.
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+//Agron
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+On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:26:20 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Since my last post, we have 2 new apprentice candidates looking for a
+</I>&gt;<i> mentor.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; simplew (Pedro), who is a longtime user of various rpm-based distros, is
+</I>&gt;<i> most
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; interested in Gnome and KDE packages.  As you have probably noticed, he
+</I>&gt;<i> has
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; already been struggling with packaging on his own.  His languages are
+</I>&gt;<i> en, pt,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and es.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; agron (Agron Selimaj), an mdv powerpack user since 2006, has skills in
+</I>&gt;<i> C++,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; debugging, patch review, and rpm building, and is interested in focusing
+</I>&gt;<i> on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; essential packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Others have expressed interest in becoming packagers, but I have yet to
+</I>&gt;<i> confirm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their interest.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You can find more details at:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I'll update the tables for you.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And if you feel that you can take on another apprentice, don't hesitate
+</I>&gt;<i> to post
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to this thread.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm willing to take on another apprentice as long as they can speak
+</I>&gt;<i> English or
+</I>&gt;<i> Hebrew.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>        Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish       <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Understand what Open Source is - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/oss-fs">http://shlom.in/oss-fs</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No one knows all of Perl. Not even Larry Wall. Except Chuck Norris, who
+</I>&gt;<i> knows
+</I>&gt;<i> all of Perl 5, Perl 6, and can answer questions about the design of Perl 7.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> .
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On 06/12/2012 02:29 AM, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 06/11/2012 10:22 PM, guillomovitch wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : nfs-utils                    Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 1.2.6                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Jun 11 22:21:14 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group       : Networking/Other              Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size        : 787418                           License: GPL
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/nfs/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/nfs/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary     : The utilities for Linux NFS server
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This package provides various programs needed for NFS support on server.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 1:1.2.6-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 259882
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add exports.d directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - use /var/lib/nfs/statd for statd, instead of /var/lib/nfs, as in fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add modprobe config file to alias 'nfs4' to 'nfs'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add systemd support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - drop sysinit support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - merge client and server package, as per redhat setup
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some weird things happen with this and systemd...
+</I>&gt;<i> I had nfs server active. After update and reboot, I had no nfs server
+</I>&gt;<i> running.
+</I>&gt;<i> What do I have to add in systemd to get them working ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I got it by:
+</I>&gt;<i> systemctl enable nfs.target (still had no server...)
+</I>&gt;<i> systemctl enable nfs-server.service
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are those the correct top level units ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> TIA
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ah, and after reboot systemd still shows nfs-common.service:
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+werewolf:/etc/systemd# systemctl --all | grep nfs
+proc-fs-nfsd.mount        loaded active   mounted       RPC Pipe File System
+nfs-common.service        error  inactive dead          nfs-common.service
+nfs-idmap.service         loaded active   running       NFSv4 ID-name mapping daemon
+nfs-mountd.service        loaded active   running       NFS Mount Daemon
+nfs-rquotad.service       loaded inactive dead          NFS Remote Quota Server
+nfs-server.service        loaded active   exited        NFS Server
+nfs.target                loaded active   active        Network File System Server
+
+werewolf:/etc/systemd# systemctl status nfs-common.service
+nfs-common.service
+	  Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory)
+	  Active: inactive (dead) since Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:30:45 +0200; 1h 5min ago
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+-- 
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt;        \               Winter is coming...
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 11/06/12 15:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Monday, June 11, 2012 04:16:06 AM Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and spuhler at 10/06/12 01:11 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Name        : libmbfl                      Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; relocatable) Version     : 1.2.0                             Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Mageia.Org Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Sun
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Jun 10 02:10:21 2012 Install Date: (not installed)               Build
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Host: jonund.mageia.org Group       : System/Libraries             
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Size        : 776978                           License: LGPL
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Packager    : spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; URL         : <A HREF="http://sourceforge.jp/projects/php-i18n/">http://sourceforge.jp/projects/php-i18n/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Summary     : Streamable kanji code filter and converter
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; This is Libmbfl, a streamable multibyte character code filter and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; converter library.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 1.2.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; + Revision: 259179
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - upgrade to 1.2.0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; This breaks PHP and other things that use the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mbfl_identify_encoding_no() symbols.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1.2.0 is seriously broken. Please revert or find a proper fix without
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; this PHP is pretty useless.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; We discovered this during the freeze cycle, so I think a proper fix
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; should be found (maybe a PHP patch? maybe a patch to this lib), or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; accept that it should simply not be updated and a comment indicating as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; much added to the spec to prevent future submissions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Col
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I detected it as well. I an working on it. Seems mdv doesn't have the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; problem, at least not on my cooker box.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe PHP 5.4.* doesn't use those symbols any more?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+Yes. That could be it. I need to test this out before we go to an 5.4.* 
+upgrade.
+-- 
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+    <B>blind Pete</B> 
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+<PRE>andre999 wrote:
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+&gt;<i> blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Following Backports opening due soon, and since our policy is that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backports are supported (security, bugfix), we need a way to push
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backport updates for users who installed backports. Otherwise, we can't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> really say that we're providing security updates to our backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My feature proposal is to implement something similar to what mgaonline
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + MageiaUpdate does for updates, but for backports, with some changes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> due to the fact that users will rarely want that &quot;all&quot; packages on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> system be updated from backports when the backports media are activated.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Backports_update_applet">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Backports_update_applet</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think I can do the dev myself. I can work on more detailed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> specifications with a developer though.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are a multiple ways that this problem could be handled.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yours is one.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel's way:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Need &quot;something&quot; to know that a backport package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> has been installed, to remember that fact, and to do an extra
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backport update search when looking for updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would need to keep working if the user changed desktop
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> environments, or even stopped used a desktop and just used
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the command line.  Does mgaonline do this?  There could be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> room to improve that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If it can be detected that a backport package has been installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (or less efficiently, detect that a backports repository
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> has been activated) set up a cron job (or reconfigure mgaonline)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and leave it like that for the life of the installation.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Geeks way:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Only use urpmi as a command line tool and edit urpmi.cfg with vi.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When activating a backports repository mark it as an update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repository.  Then update with &quot;urpmi --excludemedia [backport media,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...]&quot; accepting all suggestions, followed by &quot;urpmi --auto-select&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and look at what is offered before accepting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My suggestion:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Add &quot;bp&quot; to the package name and have separate backports update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repositories.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Users would then be able to cherry pick from backports and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates should _just work_ without extra intervention.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The only difficulty that I can think of is, when a backport
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (or backport update) package is pushed to updates.  It would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not be necessary to do a real update but the rpm database
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should be updated such that version N-bp supersedes version N.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (And the N-bp packages should be removed from the repositories.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can anyone see any holes in the logic?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What would be easiest to implement?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;<i> You got me thinking :)
+</I>
+Thinking is always dangerous.  ;-)  
+
+&gt;<i> - Just marking all backport repos as update repos is almost enough to
+</I>&gt;<i> solve the problem, in terms of the tools installing the backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> Great idea !
+</I>&gt;<i> We just have to tweak the tools so that a backport is only installed as
+</I>&gt;<i> an update of a backport.
+</I>
+Because the contents of the backport repositories changes during 
+the life of an installation it is desirable to... well... um... 
+&quot;update&quot; the database about that.  
+
+&gt;<i> - Note that we should allow a non-backport to replace a backport, as
+</I>&gt;<i> will likely be encountered in a release update.  If the versioning is
+</I>&gt;<i> properly done (according to established packaging policy), a
+</I>&gt;<i> non-backport in a newer release will have a higher version number, thus
+</I>&gt;<i> replacing the backport.
+</I>
+If they had the same version number you would not want to do a 
+real update, but you might want to adjust the database.  I have 
+no idea if that would be more trouble than it is worth.  
+
+&gt;<i> - Functioning as an update, it would only replace already installed
+</I>&gt;<i> backports, once the tools are appropriately adjusted.
+</I>
+There are a couple of ways to do that.  The simplest that I can think 
+of is to split &quot;backports&quot; into &quot;backports&quot; and &quot;backports update&quot;.  
+Allow cherry picking from &quot;backports&quot; and apply &quot;backports update&quot; 
+automatically.  
+
+&gt;<i> - As with any update repo, one could always explicitly install a
+</I>&gt;<i> backport which is not already installed.  No special treatment is
+</I>&gt;<i> required for this.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - using &quot;bp&quot; in the file name is nice and short, and definitively marks
+</I>&gt;<i> it as a backport for the tools, and for the user once installed.  (I
+</I>&gt;<i> would put it in the revision field.)
+</I>&gt;<i> I like this approach, as it doesn't matter from where the package is
+</I>&gt;<i> installed; it will always be recognized as a backport.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So I'm suggesting a variation of the last 2 solutions.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that this would be relatively easy to implement.
+</I>&gt;<i> The trick is to find the right place in the code for the tweaks.
+</I>&gt;<i> (tv could probably do it really fast.)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi folks,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to propose a new feature for Mageia 3 - an accessible install
+</I>&gt;<i> with access tools on from startup. The feature proposal is here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Accessibility">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Accessibility</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This feature will depend on people being interested in joining in the
+</I>&gt;<i> effort - if that's you, add your name on that page somewhere, so we can
+</I>&gt;<i> see whether to go ahead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Just read this is about making it easier for blind people - and people 
+with other needs - to use Mageia. Great! Thanks a lot, Trish :)
+
+I didn't see this mail on dev ml, so sending it there, too, in case it 
+didn't get there.
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+<PRE>Le 12/06/2012 02:37, JA Magall&#243;n a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 06/12/2012 02:29 AM, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/11/2012 10:22 PM, guillomovitch wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : nfs-utils                    Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 1.2.6                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Jun 11
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 22:21:14 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group       : Networking/Other              Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size        : 787418                           License: GPL
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/nfs/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/nfs/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary     : The utilities for Linux NFS server
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This package provides various programs needed for NFS support on server.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 1:1.2.6-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 259882
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add exports.d directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - use /var/lib/nfs/statd for statd, instead of /var/lib/nfs, as in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add modprobe config file to alias 'nfs4' to 'nfs'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add systemd support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - drop sysinit support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - merge client and server package, as per redhat setup
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some weird things happen with this and systemd...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I had nfs server active. After update and reboot, I had no nfs server
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> running.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What do I have to add in systemd to get them working ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I got it by:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systemctl enable nfs.target (still had no server...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systemctl enable nfs-server.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Are those the correct top level units ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> TIA
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah, and after reboot systemd still shows nfs-common.service:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:/etc/systemd# systemctl --all | grep nfs
+</I>&gt;<i> proc-fs-nfsd.mount        loaded active   mounted       RPC Pipe File
+</I>&gt;<i> System
+</I>&gt;<i> nfs-common.service        error  inactive dead          nfs-common.service
+</I>&gt;<i> nfs-idmap.service         loaded active   running       NFSv4 ID-name
+</I>&gt;<i> mapping daemon
+</I>&gt;<i> nfs-mountd.service        loaded active   running       NFS Mount Daemon
+</I>&gt;<i> nfs-rquotad.service       loaded inactive dead          NFS Remote Quota
+</I>&gt;<i> Server
+</I>&gt;<i> nfs-server.service        loaded active   exited        NFS Server
+</I>&gt;<i> nfs.target                loaded active   active        Network File
+</I>&gt;<i> System Server
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:/etc/systemd# systemctl status nfs-common.service
+</I>&gt;<i> nfs-common.service
+</I>&gt;<i>        Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory)
+</I>&gt;<i>        Active: inactive (dead) since Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:30:45 +0200; 1h
+</I>&gt;<i> 5min ago
+</I>Same issue here. I think that's just another bogus output of systemctl 
+list-units --all output.
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+BTW, I switched from the debian model (composite services) to the fedora 
+model (one service per binary), easier to maintain and more inline with 
+systemd way of life. As a result, it's a bit difficult to figure what is 
+needed exactly to keep the service running...
+-- 
+Murphy was a grunt
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+<PRE>Le 12/06/2012 00:18, AL13N a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 12 juni 2012 00:14:55 schreef nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 11 Jun 2012, AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op maandag 11 juni 2012 23:52:42 schreef nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> see <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in essence, it's filling out the descriptions file.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can Sysadmins do this while they are moving the updates? Just until
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tool has been written for QA to do this themselves.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, we need someone to fill out the descriptions file until the tools
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to generate it are ready. Thanks for volunteering !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We can sync the descriptions file on the mirror from svn automatically.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> any idea where the location of the svn file is?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's not on svn yet, but can be added if you want to be responsible for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> filling that descriptions file.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And you are responsible for browsing validated updates on bugzilla every
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> day to manually fill out the descriptions file for each new package. Ok
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hmm, sounds like alot of work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's why it's not done now. And is waiting until we have tools to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> generate that file automatically with the advisory email.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> while this sounds nice (is the advisory email also manually?), it might take a
+</I>&gt;<i> while to get this done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was thinking if we have QA do this at the moment they validate the email and
+</I>&gt;<i> have them commit directly to a svn location. is this possible as a quick
+</I>&gt;<i> solution?
+</I>
+Please QA is already overloaded so any help is welcome.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> perhaps you could add some details and howtos and pointers on that Feature?
+</I>&gt;<i> since this is about the tool for it?
+</I>
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+<PRE>andre999 wrote:
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+&gt;<i> blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 20:20:54, David W. Hodgins a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:22:41 -0400, Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think you missed my point. If Mageia 1 &quot;backports&quot; has higher
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> versions than Mageia 2 &quot;release&quot; (not backports), upgrade can fail
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because currently our tools do not take backports from the target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> release (mageia 2) into account when upgrading a distro.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In the upgrade from Mandriva 2010.2 to Mageia 1, it was made clear,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upgrading from a system with 2010.2 Backports was not supported.  It
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> may work, but was not recommended.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should keep the same policy for the upgrade from Mageia 1 to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I.E.  Don't use backports if you are planning on later doing an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upgrade, rather then a clean install.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That way, Mageia 1 users who want firefox 13 can get it, without us
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> having to replace the Mageia 2 iso images with an upgraded installer,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that will keep backports enabled for 2, if it was enabled for 1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Current tools will correctly update backports much of the time.  (From
+</I>&gt;<i> my experience.)
+</I>&gt;<i> The tools just need to be reworked somewhat to ensure that backports are
+</I>&gt;<i> updated correctly all of the time.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Again, this is not the policy we adopted. When we defined the backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> policy (together, although it seems most people are just discovering it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> now) we said that we didn't want to have backports that don't work,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> break a system, or prevent upgrade.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, I think that for DVD upgrade without internet access this is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sensible option. But the upgrader should detect the situation itself,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not hope that the user will read somewhere in the release notes that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it's not supported.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, just include Cauldron's backport repositories (disabled by default)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> inside the DVD iso.  Upgrade to the release version, if possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If that is not possible, upgrade to the version in backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron's backport repos will always be empty.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you introduce a new package, or a new version of an existing package
+</I>&gt;<i> to Cauldron, it is not, by definition, a backport.  Even though the same
+</I>&gt;<i> version (not counting the revision) may be a backport for previous
+</I>&gt;<i> releases.
+</I>
+By definition you are completely correct, but I was deliberatly 
+bending the definition to cover beta software.  Or at least to 
+draw a distinction between an Extended Support Release package 
+and a standard package.  A new name would make sense here.  
+
+&gt;<i> So if we do a release update to the latest release, backports will be
+</I>&gt;<i> replaced by regular packages except in those cases where a newer version
+</I>&gt;<i> has been introduced into Cauldron.  And if we update to Cauldron, all
+</I>&gt;<i> backports will be replaced by regular packages -- according to our
+</I>&gt;<i> backport policy.
+</I>[snip]
+
+Some packages annoyingly have two current versions.  When that 
+happens it seems perfectly reasonable to just pick one, but if 
+anyone is ambitious enough to try two at once, this would be a 
+mechanism to handle it.  
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+-- 
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I've upload new rpm-4.10.0 with adapted perl-URPM &amp; urpmi in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> core/updates_testing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've rebuild everything using rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest perl-URPM fixes importing pubkeys.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Status:
+</I>&gt;<i> ======
+</I>&gt;<i> - perl-URPM &amp; urpmi testsuites pass OK
+</I>&gt;<i> - urpmi, urpme works OK
+</I>&gt;<i> - rpmdrake works OK
+</I>&gt;<i> - iurt works OK
+</I>&gt;<i> - drakx installer works OK
+</I>
+rpm-4.10.0 has landed in core/release.
+drakx has been rebuild to use it.
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+2012/6/12 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 1:1.2.6-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 259882
+</I>&gt;<i> - add exports.d directory
+</I>&gt;<i> - use /var/lib/nfs/statd for statd, instead of /var/lib/nfs, as in fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> - add modprobe config file to alias 'nfs4' to 'nfs'
+</I>&gt;<i> - add systemd support
+</I>&gt;<i> - drop sysinit support
+</I>&gt;<i> - merge client and server package, as per redhat setup
+</I>
+Now installing a kernel spits those messages:
+libkmod: conf_files_filter_out: Directories inside directories are not
+supported: /lib/modprobe.d/nfs.conf
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+    <B>blind Pete</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I re-read the backports policy, and there's a part I think needs to be
+</I>&gt;<i> pointed out before people start to backport packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;We need to ensure that upgrades never fail: cauldron must always have a
+</I>&gt;<i> higher version/release than in stable releases.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This statement is true, but implies more than what it says. It means that
+</I>&gt;<i> we can't backport a package for Mageia 1 with a higher version than what
+</I>&gt;<i> we have in Mageia 2 release (and updates?) media. And this, until we are
+</I>&gt;<i> able to take backports into account during upgrades.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Example :
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mageia 2 has wesnoth 1.10.2 in core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mageia 1 can't get a higher version in its backports media
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you all agree with my understanding of the policy ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a serious limitation to our ability to backport to Mageia (n-1)
+</I>&gt;<i> and even to our ability to provide security fixes to backports there (will
+</I>&gt;<i> not prevent it, but will prevent to do it by a version upgrade, which is
+</I>&gt;<i> the common way to fix that kind of issue in backports).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we shouldn't open backports for Mageia 1, and make sure upgrade to
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 3 can take backports from Mageia 2 into account so that backports
+</I>&gt;<i> to Mageia 2 are not stopped when Mageia 3 is released. Then we'll be safe.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+This might be an interesting way to restate the problem...  
+
+Imagine that example package 1 (ex1) is in mga1 _at the time of release_. 
+Ex2 is in mga2 _at the time of release_. 
+Ex3 is in mga3 _at the time of release_. 
+Ex4 is in cauldron. 
+
+Ignore backports for a moment, and imagine that there has been a 
+monumental security breach in the example package such that 
+versions one and two are completely untrustworth and Ex3.1 is 
+recommended for everyone.  
+
+The obvious thing to do is push updates of Ex3.1 to mga3, mga2, 
+and mga1, in that order.  
+
+What happens to a system running mga1 plus updates when you 
+attempt to update it?  Would the old ISOs be withdrawn?  
+Or re-released with Ex3.1?
+Or would you have to wait for an emergency release of mga4?  
+Or could a separate &quot;update&quot; iso be released along side 
+the pre-existing isos?  
+Or could on-line updates be made compulsory?  
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+    <B>blind Pete</B> 
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+<PRE>Sander Lepik wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 09.06.2012 13:29, andre999 kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK.  To backport from Cauldron to mga1, we have to backport from Cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to mga2, (bumping the revision in cauldron to ensure that is is higher),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then backport from mga2 to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mga1, ensuring that the revision is lower in mga1 than in mga2.    (e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> revision x.1 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron, x.0.1 in mga2, x.0.0.1 in mga1)  Pretty straight forward.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Cherry-picking refers to the users' option to install a backport, which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> has nothing to do with the packaging itself.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Ensure that upgrades never fail :  Properly packaged, there is no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reason why any available backports will not install properly, as long as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the tools are appropriately
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> adjusted.  Backports should install just as reliably as regular updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Of course, if a particular backport or update is not available, it won't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install. Packages requiring it should not install either, which may not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> always be the case now. (This should be verified - for backports and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates.)
+</I>&gt;<i> I see backports as the way to get some new stuff from cauldron before
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron is fully stable. There is no point to backport from cauldron to
+</I>&gt;<i> n-2 (mga1 at the moment). If the user wants so much newer stuff s/he
+</I>&gt;<i> better upgrade to latest stable.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> To not fail upgrade you must make sure that n-1 backports are not newer
+</I>&gt;<i> than n +n's updates. You can't enable backports repo at upgrade time or it
+</I>&gt;<i> would upgrade all possible packages from backports repo. I'm quite sure
+</I>&gt;<i> most users don't want that to happen! Cherry-picking for me means that i
+</I>&gt;<i> can upgrade some packages from backports and then disable the repo. After
+</I>&gt;<i> that i'm still able to upgrade to fully stable next release (w/o
+</I>&gt;<i> backports).
+</I>
+Create a key word &quot;cherry-picking&quot; for urpmi.cfg?  
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>
+-- 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 12/06/12 07:26 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 12/06/2012 02:37, JA Magall&#243;n a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/12/2012 02:29 AM, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/11/2012 10:22 PM, guillomovitch wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : nfs-utils                    Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 1.2.6                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Jun 11
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 22:21:14 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group       : Networking/Other              Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size        : 787418                           License: GPL
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/nfs/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/nfs/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary     : The utilities for Linux NFS server
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This package provides various programs needed for NFS support on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> server.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 1:1.2.6-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 259882
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add exports.d directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - use /var/lib/nfs/statd for statd, instead of /var/lib/nfs, as in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add modprobe config file to alias 'nfs4' to 'nfs'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add systemd support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - drop sysinit support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - merge client and server package, as per redhat setup
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some weird things happen with this and systemd...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I had nfs server active. After update and reboot, I had no nfs server
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> running.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do I have to add in systemd to get them working ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I got it by:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemctl enable nfs.target (still had no server...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemctl enable nfs-server.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Are those the correct top level units ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> TIA
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ah, and after reboot systemd still shows nfs-common.service:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:/etc/systemd# systemctl --all | grep nfs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proc-fs-nfsd.mount        loaded active   mounted       RPC Pipe File
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> System
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-common.service        error  inactive dead         
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-common.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-idmap.service         loaded active   running       NFSv4 ID-name
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mapping daemon
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-mountd.service        loaded active   running       NFS Mount Daemon
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-rquotad.service       loaded inactive dead          NFS Remote Quota
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Server
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-server.service        loaded active   exited        NFS Server
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nfs.target                loaded active   active        Network File
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> System Server
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:/etc/systemd# systemctl status nfs-common.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-common.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>        Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>        Active: inactive (dead) since Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:30:45 +0200; 1h
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 5min ago
+</I>&gt;<i> Same issue here. I think that's just another bogus output of systemctl
+</I>&gt;<i> list-units --all output.
+</I>
+This happens if it's referred to by another unit. i.e. as an After or a
+Before reference etc. It shows up wtthout a proper description and just
+the unit name. I think it would be better to put a generic &quot;[Missing] in
+the description rather than the unit fragment name, but hey ho. Maybe
+this is done already in newer versions.
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C4FD703C1.4060204%40gmail.com%3E"
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+&gt;<i> On 11 June 2012 22:22, guillomovitch &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 1:1.2.6-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 259882
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add exports.d directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - use /var/lib/nfs/statd for statd, instead of /var/lib/nfs, as in fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add modprobe config file to alias 'nfs4' to 'nfs'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add systemd support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - drop sysinit support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - merge client and server package, as per redhat setup
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now installing a kernel spits those messages:
+</I>&gt;<i> libkmod: conf_files_filter_out: Directories inside directories are not
+</I>&gt;<i> supported: /lib/modprobe.d/nfs.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> (...)
+</I>We currently have no such /lib/modprobe.d directory in the distribution, 
+only /etc/modprobe.d. I guess our kmod package doesn't support it yet, 
+but should sooner or later. If I'm wrong, it's easy to switch back to 
+/etc/modprobe.d instead.
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+<PRE>marted&#236; 12 giugno 2012 alle 08:25, blind Pete ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Some packages annoyingly have two current versions.  When that 
+</I>&gt;<i> happens it seems perfectly reasonable to just pick one, but if 
+</I>&gt;<i> anyone is ambitious enough to try two at once, this would be a 
+</I>&gt;<i> mechanism to handle it.  
+</I>Are you serious? Here it's not only a pakcage issue, what you're
+proposing to change package contents :/
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+foo-1.0.mga1 - (core)      -&gt; /bin/foo
+foo-1.2.mga1 - (backports) -&gt; /bin/foo
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+they can't be installed togheter, and changing
+package names would not solve this issue, but
+add packagers problems like conflict or obsoleting
+and upgradability issues....
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+<PRE>marted&#236; 12 giugno 2012 alle 09:30, blind Pete ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> What happens to a system running mga1 plus updates when you 
+</I>&gt;<i> attempt to update it?  Would the old ISOs be withdrawn? 
+</I>Who does that? the only way to get a new iso is
+to release a new distro version (even Major.Minor).
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+BTW, maybe exX is not into ISO and there isn't
+a problem ;)
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DynamicPackageChoice">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DynamicPackageChoice</A>
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+&gt;<i> andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Following Backports opening due soon, and since our policy is that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backports are supported (security, bugfix), we need a way to push
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backport updates for users who installed backports. Otherwise, we can't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> really say that we're providing security updates to our backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My feature proposal is to implement something similar to what mgaonline
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + MageiaUpdate does for updates, but for backports, with some changes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> due to the fact that users will rarely want that &quot;all&quot; packages on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> system be updated from backports when the backports media are activated.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Backports_update_applet">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Backports_update_applet</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think I can do the dev myself. I can work on more detailed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> specifications with a developer though.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are a multiple ways that this problem could be handled.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yours is one.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel's way:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Need &quot;something&quot; to know that a backport package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> has been installed, to remember that fact, and to do an extra
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backport update search when looking for updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It would need to keep working if the user changed desktop
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> environments, or even stopped used a desktop and just used
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the command line.  Does mgaonline do this?  There could be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> room to improve that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If it can be detected that a backport package has been installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (or less efficiently, detect that a backports repository
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> has been activated) set up a cron job (or reconfigure mgaonline)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and leave it like that for the life of the installation.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Geeks way:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Only use urpmi as a command line tool and edit urpmi.cfg with vi.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> When activating a backports repository mark it as an update
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> repository.  Then update with &quot;urpmi --excludemedia [backport media,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ...]&quot; accepting all suggestions, followed by &quot;urpmi --auto-select&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and look at what is offered before accepting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My suggestion:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Add &quot;bp&quot; to the package name and have separate backports update
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> repositories.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Users would then be able to cherry pick from backports and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updates should _just work_ without extra intervention.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The only difficulty that I can think of is, when a backport
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (or backport update) package is pushed to updates.  It would
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not be necessary to do a real update but the rpm database
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should be updated such that version N-bp supersedes version N.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (And the N-bp packages should be removed from the repositories.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can anyone see any holes in the logic?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What would be easiest to implement?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You got me thinking :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> Thinking is always dangerous.  ;-)
+</I>
+I guess I like living dangerously :)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> - Just marking all backport repos as update repos is almost enough to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> solve the problem, in terms of the tools installing the backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Great idea !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We just have to tweak the tools so that a backport is only installed as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an update of a backport.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> Because the contents of the backport repositories changes during
+</I>&gt;<i> the life of an installation it is desirable to... well... um...
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;update&quot; the database about that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Note that we should allow a non-backport to replace a backport, as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will likely be encountered in a release update.  If the versioning is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> properly done (according to established packaging policy), a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-backport in a newer release will have a higher version number, thus
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> replacing the backport.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> If they had the same version number you would not want to do a
+</I>&gt;<i> real update, but you might want to adjust the database.  I have
+</I>&gt;<i> no idea if that would be more trouble than it is worth.
+</I>
+Presently on a release update, all packages are replaced (if they exist 
+in the release), even if they are updates identical to the package in 
+the release being installed.  This is (at least in part) because we 
+ensure that the update has a version number (counting the revision) less 
+than that of the release.
+It shouldn't be different for backports.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> - Functioning as an update, it would only replace already installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports, once the tools are appropriately adjusted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> There are a couple of ways to do that.  The simplest that I can think
+</I>&gt;<i> of is to split &quot;backports&quot; into &quot;backports&quot; and &quot;backports update&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Allow cherry picking from &quot;backports&quot; and apply &quot;backports update&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+I was thinking of cases where the user chooses to &quot;update&quot; their 
+system.  New versions of backports already installed would be presented 
+as updates, along with those from the update repos.
+Just as we don't have any update-update repos, it wouldn't make sense to 
+have backport-update repos either.
+Not every user would choose to install every proposed update from the 
+update repo.
+In such cases, the update is proposed the next time the user asks for 
+updates.
+Similarly, available backport updates won't necessarily be installed the 
+first time, but should be proposed the next time the user asks for updates.
+
+I would favour these backport updates being offered even if the backport 
+repos are not active.
+However to see all backports, in normal install situations, it makes 
+sense to require that the backport repos be active.
+When the backport repos are active, during updates we could even show 
+backports as updates to non-backport packages, but I'm not sure that I 
+would favour that.  I would prefer the installation of a backport to be 
+more of an exceptional case.  My impression is that most users tend to 
+install all updates presented, without necessarily thinking of the 
+consequences.
+
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+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 20:20:54, David W. Hodgins a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:22:41 -0400, Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think you missed my point. If Mageia 1 &quot;backports&quot; has higher
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> versions than Mageia 2 &quot;release&quot; (not backports), upgrade can fail
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because currently our tools do not take backports from the target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> release (mageia 2) into account when upgrading a distro.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>              
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In the upgrade from Mandriva 2010.2 to Mageia 1, it was made clear,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upgrading from a system with 2010.2 Backports was not supported.  It
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> may work, but was not recommended.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should keep the same policy for the upgrade from Mageia 1 to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I.E.  Don't use backports if you are planning on later doing an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upgrade, rather then a clean install.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That way, Mageia 1 users who want firefox 13 can get it, without us
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> having to replace the Mageia 2 iso images with an upgraded installer,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that will keep backports enabled for 2, if it was enabled for 1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Current tools will correctly update backports much of the time.  (From
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my experience.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The tools just need to be reworked somewhat to ensure that backports are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updated correctly all of the time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Again, this is not the policy we adopted. When we defined the backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> policy (together, although it seems most people are just discovering it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> now) we said that we didn't want to have backports that don't work,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> break a system, or prevent upgrade.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, I think that for DVD upgrade without internet access this is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sensible option. But the upgrader should detect the situation itself,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not hope that the user will read somewhere in the release notes that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it's not supported.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No, just include Cauldron's backport repositories (disabled by default)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> inside the DVD iso.  Upgrade to the release version, if possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If that is not possible, upgrade to the version in backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cauldron's backport repos will always be empty.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you introduce a new package, or a new version of an existing package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to Cauldron, it is not, by definition, a backport.  Even though the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version (not counting the revision) may be a backport for previous
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> releases.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> By definition you are completely correct, but I was deliberatly
+</I>&gt;<i> bending the definition to cover beta software.  Or at least to
+</I>&gt;<i> draw a distinction between an Extended Support Release package
+</I>&gt;<i> and a standard package.  A new name would make sense here.
+</I>
+They would have different names (if generally only the version included 
+in one).
+Since a backport can only have one name, it would correspond to only one 
+of the packages.  Presumably that with the same (or closest) version.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> So if we do a release update to the latest release, backports will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> replaced by regular packages except in those cases where a newer version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> has been introduced into Cauldron.  And if we update to Cauldron, all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports will be replaced by regular packages -- according to our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backport policy.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some packages annoyingly have two current versions.  When that
+</I>&gt;<i> happens it seems perfectly reasonable to just pick one, but if
+</I>&gt;<i> anyone is ambitious enough to try two at once, this would be a
+</I>&gt;<i> mechanism to handle it.
+</I>
+Don't see how backport repos are related.
+To be installed simultaneously, they would have to install to different 
+locations, which is generally not the case.  There is more than one 
+version of Postgresql available, for example, but they conflict and so 
+can't be installed at the same time.
+
+-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+- get my act together and fix a bunch of bugs (a lot of wrong
+  suggests/requires, resulting in bugs&amp;crashers)
+- provide GNOME 3.4.2 as update
+
+But this concerns loads and loads of packages.
+
+How to best proceed?
+
+I saw mentioning that QA is really busy. How can I make this as simple
+as possible for QA (not for myself)?
+
+Should I:
+#1 :
+  - first fix the various bugs
+  - provide each bug as update
+  then later:
+  - one massive GNOME 3.4.2 update?
+
+#2 :
+  - do everything in one go (combine 3.4.2 update with the bugfixes)?
+
+#3 :
+  - try and split out all the changes as much as possible (e.g.
+    evolution would need new evolution-data-server, so must be updated
+    at the same time).. but ideally go for filing a bug per
+    update/package?
+
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+&gt;<i> For Mageia 2, I'd like to:
+</I>&gt;<i> - get my act together and fix a bunch of bugs (a lot of wrong
+</I>&gt;<i>    suggests/requires, resulting in bugs&amp;crashers)
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide GNOME 3.4.2 as update
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But this concerns loads and loads of packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How to best proceed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I saw mentioning that QA is really busy. How can I make this as simple
+</I>&gt;<i> as possible for QA (not for myself)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should I:
+</I>
+[...]
+
+&gt;<i> #2 :
+</I>&gt;<i>    - do everything in one go (combine 3.4.2 update with the bugfixes)?
+</I>
+I'd say this is the most sane way as it means testing the packages in 
+one go (and also matches how KDE has been upgraded)
+
+
+#1 and #3 will mean more work for QA.
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> There are a couple of ways to do that.  The simplest that I can think 
+</I>&gt;<i> of is to split &quot;backports&quot; into &quot;backports&quot; and &quot;backports update&quot;.  
+</I>&gt;<i> Allow cherry picking from &quot;backports&quot; and apply &quot;backports update&quot; 
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically.  
+</I>IMO an easy management is having only one repository, e.g. just backports.
+Official release exits without backports, so backports are a special
+&quot;update&quot;, any fixing/security/new version update needed here can override 
+the previous backported package itself, so only last version on backport 
+is available.
+
+Is that correct? well thinking of installing the previous version in 
+case of problem, i'd say no. But since backports are officially maintained 
+a problem seen by an user means a problem that has to be fixed and the
+fixing released. In this case i'd say yes, it's correct.
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+<PRE>marted&#236; 12 giugno 2012 alle 08:14, Marja van Waes ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> On 12-06-12 04:13, Patricia Fraser wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi folks,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'd like to propose a new feature for Mageia 3 - an accessible install
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with access tools on from startup. The feature proposal is here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Accessibility">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Accessibility</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This feature will depend on people being interested in joining in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; effort - if that's you, add your name on that page somewhere, so we can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; see whether to go ahead.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Just read this is about making it easier for blind people - and people 
+</I>&gt;<i> with other needs - to use Mageia. Great! Thanks a lot, Trish :)
+</I>I think it's a good task, but accessibility is not just a gnome-task,
+it should be a mageia task, since there are also kde users, maybe some
+lighter desktop ones for old computers... etc.
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+<PRE>Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> For Mageia 2, I'd like to:
+</I>&gt;<i> - get my act together and fix a bunch of bugs (a lot of wrong
+</I>&gt;<i>    suggests/requires, resulting in bugs&amp;crashers)
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide GNOME 3.4.2 as update
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But this concerns loads and loads of packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How to best proceed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I saw mentioning that QA is really busy. How can I make this as simple
+</I>&gt;<i> as possible for QA (not for myself)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should I:
+</I>&gt;<i> #1 :
+</I>&gt;<i>    - first fix the various bugs
+</I>&gt;<i>    - provide each bug as update
+</I>&gt;<i>    then later:
+</I>&gt;<i>    - one massive GNOME 3.4.2 update?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> #2 :
+</I>&gt;<i>    - do everything in one go (combine 3.4.2 update with the bugfixes)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> #3 :
+</I>&gt;<i>    - try and split out all the changes as much as possible (e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i>      evolution would need new evolution-data-server, so must be updated
+</I>&gt;<i>      at the same time).. but ideally go for filing a bug per
+</I>&gt;<i>      update/package?
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+QA will probably have their answer, but it seems to me much easier for 
+QA to verify one or two packages at a time, meaning #3 as much as 
+possible, and then #1.
+As far as how you do it for testing yourself (before presenting to QA), 
+you could use whatever approach seems easiest, but even there I would 
+think that #3 as much as possible would be easier.  Anyway, that is how 
+I tend to approach things.
+(#2 seems a potential nightmare, since you're bound to miss things.)
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+    <B>Claire Robinson</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20QA%20process%20for%20GNOME%203.4.2%20for%20Mageia%202&In-Reply-To=%3C4FD72A6F.1040400%40gmail.com%3E"
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+    <I>Tue Jun 12 13:39:27 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 12/06/12 12:19, andre999 wrote:
+&gt;<i> Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For Mageia 2, I'd like to:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - get my act together and fix a bunch of bugs (a lot of wrong
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suggests/requires, resulting in bugs&amp;crashers)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide GNOME 3.4.2 as update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But this concerns loads and loads of packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How to best proceed?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I saw mentioning that QA is really busy. How can I make this as simple
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as possible for QA (not for myself)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Should I:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #1 :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - first fix the various bugs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide each bug as update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then later:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - one massive GNOME 3.4.2 update?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #2 :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - do everything in one go (combine 3.4.2 update with the bugfixes)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #3 :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - try and split out all the changes as much as possible (e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> evolution would need new evolution-data-server, so must be updated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at the same time).. but ideally go for filing a bug per
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update/package?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> QA will probably have their answer, but it seems to me much easier for
+</I>&gt;<i> QA to verify one or two packages at a time, meaning #3 as much as
+</I>&gt;<i> possible, and then #1.
+</I>&gt;<i> As far as how you do it for testing yourself (before presenting to QA),
+</I>&gt;<i> you could use whatever approach seems easiest, but even there I would
+</I>&gt;<i> think that #3 as much as possible would be easier. Anyway, that is how I
+</I>&gt;<i> tend to approach things.
+</I>&gt;<i> (#2 seems a potential nightmare, since you're bound to miss things.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Regarding the wrong requires/suggests these are probably best dealt with 
+on separate bugs. They will receive proper attention that way and any 
+affected by bug 2317 can hopefully be found so we don't have broken 
+updates. That would be more difficult in one large update.
+
+Other bugfixes and the big update I would say to follow KDE's example 
+and list what has been fixed with bug numbers, packages being updated, 
+srpm's. If the advisory is detailed it makes performing QA alot easier.
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+That is my first thought anyway. We're organising a QA meeting later 
+this week, you're welcome to attend and ask the team. The time/date 
+hasn't been finalised yet.
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+<A HREF="http://framadate.org/kg48uzoef3p9hitx">http://framadate.org/kg48uzoef3p9hitx</A>
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Mmm.. Is there any reason that kdelibs4 has been stalled for two hours?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/6/12 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm-4.10.0 has landed in core/release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drakx has been rebuild to use it.
+</I>
+a conflict between rpm a jpackage-utils.
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:44 PM, D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mmm.. Is there any reason that kdelibs4 has been stalled for two hours?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/12 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rpm-4.10.0 has landed in core/release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> drakx has been rebuild to use it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> a conflict between rpm a jpackage-utils.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i am on it
+</I>
+should build OK now
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+    <I>Tue Jun 12 14:14:11 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>(saying this with trepidation, since I've been away for awhile)
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+In the last day or so, Wine is back to complaining that it can't find a 
+Gecko package for displaying help files.  In a new twist, it is also 
+complaining about not being able to find a MONO package for .NET support.
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+This was happening several months back (in the Gecko case), and IIRC had 
+to do either with an outdated wine-gecko package or a 32/64-bit package 
+mismatch.  I believe Thierry was the one who put it right at that time.
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+The Gecko issue, and now the MONO issue, should probably be tied to Wine 
+by a formal Requires to keep this from reoccurring.  If some 
+Wine-knowledgeable person can confirm what's happening, I'll be happy to 
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+    <B>Agron Selimaj</B> 
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+Frank, just because this mailing list is of a high volume I'd recomended filing a bug anyway.
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+//Agron
+
+
+----- Original message -----
+&gt;<i> (saying this with trepidation, since I've been away for awhile)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In the last day or so, Wine is back to complaining that it can't find a 
+</I>&gt;<i> Gecko package for displaying help files.&#160;  In a new twist, it is also 
+</I>&gt;<i> complaining about not being able to find a MONO package for .NET support.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This was happening several months back (in the Gecko case), and IIRC had 
+</I>&gt;<i> to do either with an outdated wine-gecko package or a 32/64-bit package 
+</I>&gt;<i> mismatch.&#160;  I believe Thierry was the one who put it right at that time.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The Gecko issue, and now the MONO issue, should probably be tied to Wine 
+</I>&gt;<i> by a formal Requires to keep this from reoccurring.&#160;  If some 
+</I>&gt;<i> Wine-knowledgeable person can confirm what's happening, I'll be happy to 
+</I>&gt;<i> enter a bug report.
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I would prefer the installation of a backport to be more of an exceptional case.
+</I>
+Untill this discussion, my impression was that we allready did that. I do, anyway.
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+&gt;<i> My impression is that most users tend to install all updates presented, 
+</I>&gt;<i> without necessarily thinking of the consequences.
+</I>
+And that is what updates are for, in my opinion. The average user shouldn't have to think about the consequences of accepting updates.
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Allow cherry picking from &quot;backports&quot;
+</I>
+I already do that now. Whenever I need something from backports, I activate backports, install the thing I need and deactivate backports.
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;<i> You got me thinking :)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Just marking all backport repos as update repos is almost enough to solve 
+</I>&gt;<i> the problem, in terms of the tools installing the backports.  Great idea !
+</I>&gt;<i> We just have to tweak the tools so that a backport is only installed as an 
+</I>&gt;<i> update of a backport.
+</I>
+No. People who only want to use a specific backport will not enable the
+backport repository. They will install the backport and keep the
+backports repository disabled.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Note that we should allow a non-backport to replace a backport, as will 
+</I>&gt;<i> likely be encountered in a release update.  If the versioning is properly 
+</I>&gt;<i> done (according to established packaging policy), a non-backport in a newer 
+</I>&gt;<i> release will have a higher version number, thus replacing the backport.
+</I>
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
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+a little over 2 weeks ago, when cauldron equalled Mageia 2, so there 
+wasn't a real cauldron, I did a mass ping for almost all cauldron bugs 
+(except package requests) to ask whether they were still valid for Mageia 2.
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+Most, if not all, of the following bugs were pinged then, but there 
+seems not to have been a reply. However, there are too many of them for 
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?negate0=1&amp;keywords=NEEDINFO&amp;chfieldto=2012-05-27&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;keywords_type=allwords&amp;chfieldfrom=2012-05-26&amp;field0-0-0=status_whiteboard&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED&amp;version=Cauldron&amp;type0-0-0=substring&amp;value0-0-0=MGA2TOO&amp;product=Mageia">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?negate0=1&amp;keywords=NEEDINFO&amp;chfieldto=2012-05-27&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;keywords_type=allwords&amp;chfieldfrom=2012-05-26&amp;field0-0-0=status_whiteboard&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED&amp;version=Cauldron&amp;type0-0-0=substring&amp;value0-0-0=MGA2TOO&amp;product=Mageia</A>
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+If you know about any of those bugs that it got solved, please make a 
+comment in it and close it as RESOLVED - FIXED
+
+If you know the bug is still there in Mageia 2 and/or current cauldron:
+Please make a comment that the bug is still valid and
+* remove the &quot;NEEDINFO&quot; keyword
+* put &quot;MGA2TOO&quot; on the whiteboard if it exists in Mageia 2 *and* cauldron
+* change version to &quot;2&quot; if you know it was recently solved for cauldron, 
+but not yet for &quot;2&quot;
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+Marja
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+&gt;<i> I re-read the backports policy, and there's a part I think needs to be pointed
+</I>&gt;<i> out before people start to backport packages.
+</I>
+I have a different question.
+
+Will repositories such as &quot;Core Backports&quot; ever actually be used?
+
+If we follow the procedures used for normal updates, a backport will first
+be submitted to &quot;Core Backports Testing&quot;, then assigned to qa.  Once
+validated, the backport srpm will be pushed to &quot;Core Backports Updates&quot;.
+
+When would &quot;Core Backports&quot; ever be used?
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+<PRE>12.06.2012 21:07, David W. Hodgins kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 04:38:06 -0400, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I re-read the backports policy, and there's a part I think needs to be pointed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> out before people start to backport packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a different question.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will repositories such as &quot;Core Backports&quot; ever actually be used?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we follow the procedures used for normal updates, a backport will first
+</I>&gt;<i> be submitted to &quot;Core Backports Testing&quot;, then assigned to qa.  Once
+</I>&gt;<i> validated, the backport srpm will be pushed to &quot;Core Backports Updates&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When would &quot;Core Backports&quot; ever be used?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>There is no such repo as &quot;Core Backports Updates&quot;. If the package is validated it will be
+pushed into &quot;Core Backports&quot;.
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+<PRE>On Fri, 08 Jun 2012, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we shouldn't open backports for Mageia 1, and make sure upgrade to 
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 3 can take backports from Mageia 2 into account so that backports to 
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 2 are not stopped when Mageia 3 is released. Then we'll be safe.
+</I>
+I think we cannot have both :
+- backports with higher version than in next stable release
+- easy upgrade to next stable release
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+We can only have one in this list, so I think we need to decide which
+one we want to keep.
+
+In my opinion, freezing backports of distribution N-1 when distribution
+N is released is a serious limitation and we should not do this. Instead
+I would say that easy upgrade when using new backports after release of
+distribution N+1 is not guaranteed (but should still work in many cases).
+
+Then users can decide to :
+- not use backports if they plan to do an upgrade later and avoid any
+  potential problem
+- use backports, and do a reinstall instead of an upgrade
+- use backports, do an upgrade, and know that in some case a few
+  packages may need to be manually reinstalled. But there still
+  shouldn't be important problems in most cases.
+
+We can provide a tool to list installed packages that are more recent
+than version available in repository. This list can help to know which
+packages may need to be reinstalled. But we don't know whether user
+wants to revert to release or updates repository version, or use the
+latest backports version.
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+<PRE>On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:10:02 -0400, Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> There is no such repo as &quot;Core Backports Updates&quot;. If the package is validated it will be
+</I>&gt;<i> pushed into &quot;Core Backports&quot;.
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+Ah. Yes. Should have looked more carefully first. Sorry for the noise.
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we shouldn't open backports for Mageia 1, and make sure upgrade to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 3 can take backports from Mageia 2 into account so that backports to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 2 are not stopped when Mageia 3 is released. Then we'll be safe.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we cannot have both :
+</I>&gt;<i> - backports with higher version than in next stable release
+</I>&gt;<i> - easy upgrade to next stable release
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+Why not ?
+We would have to ensure that the version of the backport is less than or 
+equal to the version of the package (backport or not) in the next stable 
+release.  We just have to follow the versioning policy of updates c.f. 
+Cauldron, i.e. an update always has a version less than cauldron.  
+(Which allows for adding updates without changing the version of the 
+next release.)
+
+We would also have to ensure that the requires of the backport would be 
+available in the next stable release, which would be somewhat trickier, 
+but doable.  (In most cases this would not be a problem.)
+I think that we should fine-tune the rules so that we have both.  (Thus 
+restricting how we define the requires, etc, and also restricting what 
+can be backported in some cases.)
+Note that there are already some (loosely defined) restrictions on what 
+can be backported.
+
+Maybe we should have a group which approves backports (including the 
+spec file), based on upgradability and other criteria.  Especially in 
+the beginning, when the details will be less well-defined and packagers 
+less experienced with backports.  Something like what we did for 
+exceptions to the version freeze for mga2.  (Maybe approval by one of 
+the packager team leaders ? ;-) )
+We could make that a requirement for moving from backports-testing to 
+backports.
+
+&gt;<i> We can only have one in this list, so I think we need to decide which
+</I>&gt;<i> one we want to keep.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In my opinion, freezing backports of distribution N-1 when distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> N is released is a serious limitation and we should not do this. Instead
+</I>&gt;<i> I would say that easy upgrade when using new backports after release of
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution N+1 is not guaranteed (but should still work in many cases).
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+Agreed about not denying backports for N-1 releases.
+
+&gt;<i> Then users can decide to :
+</I>&gt;<i> - not use backports if they plan to do an upgrade later and avoid any
+</I>&gt;<i>    potential problem
+</I>&gt;<i> - use backports, and do a reinstall instead of an upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> - use backports, do an upgrade, and know that in some case a few
+</I>&gt;<i>    packages may need to be manually reinstalled. But there still
+</I>&gt;<i>    shouldn't be important problems in most cases.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can provide a tool to list installed packages that are more recent
+</I>&gt;<i> than version available in repository. This list can help to know which
+</I>&gt;<i> packages may need to be reinstalled. But we don't know whether user
+</I>&gt;<i> wants to revert to release or updates repository version, or use the
+</I>&gt;<i> latest backports version.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>-- 
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+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we shouldn't open backports for Mageia 1, and make sure upgrade to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 3 can take backports from Mageia 2 into account so that backports to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 2 are not stopped when Mageia 3 is released. Then we'll be safe.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think we cannot have both :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - backports with higher version than in next stable release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - easy upgrade to next stable release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not ?
+</I>&gt;<i> We would have to ensure that the version of the backport is less than or 
+</I>&gt;<i> equal to the version of the package (backport or not) in the next stable 
+</I>&gt;<i> release.  We just have to follow the versioning policy of updates c.f. 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron, i.e. an update always has a version less than cauldron.  (Which 
+</I>&gt;<i> allows for adding updates without changing the version of the next 
+</I>&gt;<i> release.)
+</I>
+We are talking about backports, not updates, so we don't care about
+versionning policy of updates. And backports can have higher version
+than 'release' repository of next version, that's what this thread is
+about.
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we shouldn't open backports for Mageia 1, and make sure upgrade to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 3 can take backports from Mageia 2 into account so that backports to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 2 are not stopped when Mageia 3 is released. Then we'll be safe.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we cannot have both :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - backports with higher version than in next stable release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - easy upgrade to next stable release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why not ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We would have to ensure that the version of the backport is less than or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> equal to the version of the package (backport or not) in the next stable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release.  We just have to follow the versioning policy of updates c.f.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cauldron, i.e. an update always has a version less than cauldron.  (Which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> allows for adding updates without changing the version of the next
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> We are talking about backports, not updates, so we don't care about
+</I>&gt;<i> versionning policy of updates.
+</I>
+OK.  I was just suggesting that we use the same approach.
+
+&gt;<i>   And backports can have higher version
+</I>&gt;<i> than 'release' repository of next version, that's what this thread is
+</I>&gt;<i> about.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+Indeed.
+I'm suggesting that in those cases where the version of the backport is 
+higher than the corresponding package of the next release, we ensure 
+that the backport will continue to function in the next version.  As I 
+see it, this entails primarily that the dependancies will be available.  
+We can assume that the dependancies are satisfied where the backport is 
+initially installed.  Given this, if these dependancies (or an update of 
+these dependancies) will function in next higher release, then I would 
+say that these conditions would be met, and the backport will continue 
+to function.  Thus we can ensure, by establishing the appropriate 
+policies, that backports can continue to function with release updates.
+
+Of course that will mean that in certain cases this won't be possible, 
+and I would suggest that in those few cases the backport be denied.  
+Cases such as a dependancy being obsoleted by a package that doesn't 
+provide all the functions needed by the backport.  Not a very common 
+occurance.
+We already have restrictions on backports, so I don't see this as a big 
+liability in exchange for reliable release updates.
+
+It is possible that this problem could be solved by creating a backport 
+for the next stable release, in which case to do the backport for 
+release N-1 we would have to first create a backport for release N.  
+This assumes that during or after the update to the new release, one 
+does a regular update, and that the update will automatically present 
+backports which apply to already installed backports, even if the 
+backport repo is closed.
+Obviously requiring a certain fine-tuning of the tools.
+
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+Andr&#233;
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+    <B>Simple w</B> 
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+<PRE>2012/6/12 Agron Selimaj &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">as9902613 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hey Sandro,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I noticed you have become my mentor. I was impatiently waiting to get
+</I>&gt;<i> started.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> //Agron
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:26:20 -0400
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Since my last post, we have 2 new apprentice candidates looking for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; mentor.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; simplew (Pedro), who is a longtime user of various rpm-based distros, is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; most
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; interested in Gnome and KDE packages. &#160;As you have probably noticed, he
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; has
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; already been struggling with packaging on his own. &#160;His languages are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; en, pt,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; and es.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; agron (Agron Selimaj), an mdv powerpack user since 2006, has skills in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; C++,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; debugging, patch review, and rpm building, and is interested in focusing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; essential packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Others have expressed interest in becoming packagers, but I have yet to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; confirm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; their interest.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; You can find more details at:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I'll update the tables for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; you.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; And if you feel that you can take on another apprentice, don't hesitate
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; to post
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; to this thread.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm willing to take on another apprentice as long as they can speak
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> English or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hebrew.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish &#160; &#160; &#160; <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Understand what Open Source is - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/oss-fs">http://shlom.in/oss-fs</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No one knows all of Perl. Not even Larry Wall. Except Chuck Norris, who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> knows
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all of Perl 5, Perl 6, and can answer questions about the design of Perl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 7.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> .
+</I>
+Hi :)
+
+Im not understanding how this goes, who should i contact to know who
+can mentor me?
+I see that Sandro proposed to mentor and also Shlomi Fish said that
+could also do it but i havent received any mail in my account saying
+that the mentoring process has started, or its me who needs to do
+something?
+
+regards,
+Pedro
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Im not understanding how this goes, who should i contact to know who
+</I>&gt;<i> can mentor me?
+</I>&gt;<i> I see that Sandro proposed to mentor and also Shlomi Fish said that
+</I>&gt;<i> could also do it but i havent received any mail in my account saying
+</I>&gt;<i> that the mentoring process has started, or its me who needs to do
+</I>&gt;<i> something?
+</I>
+Mentoring is based on volunteers and their free time. So be patient
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Pedro
+</I>
+
+-- 
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+    <B>Steven Tucker</B> 
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+<PRE>*Problem*
+
+MCC is great, and I would love to be able to admin using it regardless 
+of whether I am using text interface or gtk/qt. The interface is 
+completely different in curses than gtk interfaces. Curses version is a 
+second rate citizen, and Gui is all GTK. A lot of the tools are not 
+available in curses interface, for instance, I don't see a way to 
+install software or managing repositories. It would be nice to have qt 
+version as well as gtk (not a major issue, but would be nice)
+
+*Possible solution* I have thought how this could be addressed and feel 
+that in the long term, the best solution would be to have the interface 
+layer abstracted. So when developing a module, you use the mcc UI 
+library, so you may call for instance mccGui.pushButton then if you are 
+running in curses it creates a curses button, if you are in KDE it 
+creates a QPushButton, if you are in Gnome it creates a GTKButton. This 
+would take a great deal of work, so I started looking around to find any 
+existing libraries. The first place I looked was openSuSE as Yast does 
+exactly what I am describing. In yast, the interface is laid out and 
+works the same way whether you are using curses, Gtk or Qt. To my 
+surprise they have put a lot of work into separating their Ui library 
+from the Yast tools. You can use the library to write curses/gtk/qt 
+programs that use the appropriate widget as needed, independent of Yast. 
+We could use the Yast Back end, and adapt our front end to use it. This 
+option would take the least amount of work, as there are perl bindings 
+to the yast libraries, and so it would only be the gui layer that would 
+need reworking. The current gtk only modules could become curses/qt/gtk 
+modules by changing the gtk calls to yast backend calls.
+
+Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that we port Yast to Mageia, I am 
+suggesting we use its Ui abstraction only. I use Mageia over openSuse 
+for many reasons, but I do admire how well Yast works, and would love to 
+see similar in Mageia. Perhaps we could start planning the next 
+generation of MCC ??
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+  Why it would be good for Mageia to include it
+
+It would provide consistency across terminal and gui administration, and 
+in doing so provide an easy entry into text based administration for 
+novices.
+
+Providing the abstraction layer would mean all modules created will be 
+available to all users.
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+<PRE>mercoled&#236; 13 giugno 2012 alle 00:53, nicolas vigier ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> We are talking about backports, not updates, so we don't care about
+</I>&gt;<i> versionning policy of updates. And backports can have higher version
+</I>&gt;<i> than 'release' repository of next version, that's what this thread is
+</I>&gt;<i> about.
+</I>??? The policy should be the *same*, otherwise you won't have an upgradable
+system, something is in bp for n-1 could be:
+a) in core for n
+b) in update for n
+c) in bp for n
+In any of them it should be upgradable, so why shouldn't we
+follow the versioning policy for updates, since a bp for mageia n-1
+*is* an upgrade/update in mageia n?
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+ennael could we add a point in tonight meeting? i seem we talked
+a lot and reached no decisions...
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+Installation failed:    file /usr/lib64/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 from install 
+of lib64openssl1.0.0-1.0.1c-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from 
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 13/06/2012 13:59, Steven Tucker a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that we port Yast to Mageia, I am
+</I>&gt;<i> suggesting we use its Ui abstraction only. I use Mageia over openSuse
+</I>&gt;<i> for many reasons, but I do admire how well Yast works, and would love to
+</I>&gt;<i> see similar in Mageia. Perhaps we could start planning the next
+</I>&gt;<i> generation of MCC ??
+</I>I guess you're volonteer to do the porting work, and to maintain the 
+tools thereafter. Otherwise, that's moot.
+
+In ten years of contribution to mandrake/mandriva/mageia, I've seen 
+several similar proposals to rewrite those tools for &quot;better graphical 
+consistency with my prefered desktop (tm)&quot; or &quot;better maintainability 
+unsing more adapted languages (c)&quot;. Unfortunatly, the level of actual 
+contributions to the code to reach those marvelous goals barely reached 
+the verbosity of the discussion on the mailing-list...
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #196:
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+Me no internet, only janitor, me just wax floors.
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+    <B>Steven Tucker</B> 
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+<PRE>On 13/06/12 22:06, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 13/06/2012 13:59, Steven Tucker a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that we port Yast to Mageia, I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suggesting we use its Ui abstraction only. I use Mageia over openSuse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for many reasons, but I do admire how well Yast works, and would love to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> see similar in Mageia. Perhaps we could start planning the next
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> generation of MCC ??
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess you're volonteer to do the porting work, and to maintain the 
+</I>&gt;<i> tools thereafter. Otherwise, that's moot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In ten years of contribution to mandrake/mandriva/mageia, I've seen 
+</I>&gt;<i> several similar proposals to rewrite those tools for &quot;better graphical 
+</I>&gt;<i> consistency with my prefered desktop (tm)&quot; or &quot;better maintainability 
+</I>&gt;<i> unsing more adapted languages (c)&quot;. Unfortunatly, the level of actual 
+</I>&gt;<i> contributions to the code to reach those marvelous goals barely 
+</I>&gt;<i> reached the verbosity of the discussion on the mailing-list...
+</I>
+Yeah I totally understand that attitude.
+I was in two minds about even suggesting it, but yes I would be part of 
+the effort, but no I can't do it all on my own.
+My other option was to say nothing and just start doing some work and if 
+I got far enough then suggest it. Perhaps that is the better approach.
+
+This proposal may be a bit different to the several others you have seen 
+in that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done. The Ui layer 
+is provided by libYui and friends, and the logic is already there in 
+mcc. With the perl bindings to libYui the effort is no where near as 
+large as a rewrite, which I imagine the several other proposals were. I 
+would prefer it all to be written in C++, but that would be more work 
+than adapting the current perl code, so you see it's not just pie in the 
+sky, I have actually put some thought into it.
+
+If no one else can see the benefit, or care to be involved, then I'll 
+just make an external project and see where it goes.
+
+And hey, with your response, it made the mailing list :-P
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+    <B>Pascal Terjan</B> 
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+<PRE>I don't know hia you could install
+lib64openssl1.0.1-1.0.1c-1.mga3.x86_64 it was conflicting with
+lib64openssl1.0.0 and then it was removed from mirrors, you should not
+be able to have it on your system
+
+On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:53 PM, EatDirt &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dirteat at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> How this is possible? That file should be updated no?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed: &#160; &#160;file /usr/lib64/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64openssl1.0.0-1.0.1c-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64openssl1.0.1-1.0.1c-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Chris.
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 13/06/2012 14:29, Pascal Terjan a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I don't know hia you could install
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64openssl1.0.1-1.0.1c-1.mga3.x86_64 it was conflicting with
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64openssl1.0.0 and then it was removed from mirrors, you should not
+</I>&gt;<i> be able to have it on your system
+</I>It was available for a short period, tough, it could have been installed 
+at this moment. Using --force if needed.
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+BOFH excuse #442:
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 13/06/12 13:29 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I don't know hia you could install
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64openssl1.0.1-1.0.1c-1.mga3.x86_64 it was conflicting with
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64openssl1.0.0 and then it was removed from mirrors, you should not
+</I>&gt;<i> be able to have it on your system
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+FWIW, I somehow ended up in a similar situation too. I ended up with
+both packages installed and when I removed one, it I eneded up with
+missing files from the other... at this point curl and wget stopped
+working but I still managed to download and install the relevant package.
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On 06/13/2012 08:06 AM, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 13/06/2012 13:59, Steven Tucker a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that we port Yast to Mageia, I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suggesting we use its Ui abstraction only. I use Mageia over openSuse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for many reasons, but I do admire how well Yast works, and would love to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> see similar in Mageia. Perhaps we could start planning the next
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> generation of MCC ??
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess you're volonteer to do the porting work, and to maintain the 
+</I>&gt;<i> tools thereafter. Otherwise, that's moot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In ten years of contribution to mandrake/mandriva/mageia, I've seen 
+</I>&gt;<i> several similar proposals to rewrite those tools for &quot;better graphical 
+</I>&gt;<i> consistency with my prefered desktop (tm)&quot; or &quot;better maintainability 
+</I>&gt;<i> unsing more adapted languages (c)&quot;. Unfortunatly, the level of actual 
+</I>&gt;<i> contributions to the code to reach those marvelous goals barely 
+</I>&gt;<i> reached the verbosity of the discussion on the mailing-list...
+</I>
+While i sympathize with the &quot;I've seen this before&quot; reaction, it seems 
+to me that Steven has actually looked into this at the code and 
+implementation level, so I wouldn't be too quick to blow it off.  Some 
+other things to be considered are:
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+1) MCC tools and the install are the two crown jewels that differentiate 
+MGA/MDV from other distros.  As such, they deserve more attention than 
+they get.
+
+2) How maintainable is the current code ?  From the bits and pieces I've 
+seen over the years and comments in this ML, it has the reputation (with 
+the exception of urpmi/rpmdrake, which sees active development) of being 
+hyper-abbreviated perl code that no one works with unless forced to.  
+Some standardization and modularity probably wouldn't hurt.  It's a lot 
+easier to find one person who groks drakconnect and other people who 
+grok Gtk, Qt, and curses than to find one person who groks all of them.
+
+3) The people who currently work in the code for these tools aren't 
+going to be around forever.  Anything that makes the code structure more 
+accessible to new developers ought to receive, at the least, serious 
+consideration.
+
+In this case, the proposal has the advantage of being able to be 
+implemented in stages, one tool at a time.  I think it would be a 
+productive exercise for those who know the code to respond with a sketch 
+of what the work would entail, with the expectation that the actual work 
+would be performed by those suggesting the change. Packaging isn't the 
+only MGA activity that benefits from the mentor/apprentice approach.
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+- Managing coming development planning
+- Backports (tmb can you send the mail to summarize current endless 
+discussions ?)
+- Collaboration policy
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+&gt;<i> MCC is great, and I would love to be able to admin using it regardless 
+</I>&gt;<i> of whether I am using text interface or gtk/qt. The interface is 
+</I>&gt;<i> completely different in curses than gtk interfaces. Curses version is a 
+</I>&gt;<i> second rate citizen, and Gui is all GTK. A lot of the tools are not 
+</I>&gt;<i> available in curses interface, for instance, I don't see a way to 
+</I>&gt;<i> install software or managing repositories. It would be nice to have qt 
+</I>&gt;<i> version as well as gtk (not a major issue, but would be nice)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Well a proposal[1] to work on it -porting to qt- is already added by me,
+I'm not a perl programmer so it's hard for me to do the most, but i'm
+trying to get helped by other people (i got one positive answer at the 
+moment)...
+I'm open to discuss :)
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+[1] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview</A>
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+&gt;<i> mercoled&#236; 13 giugno 2012 alle 13:59, Steven Tucker ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MCC is great, and I would love to be able to admin using it regardless
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of whether I am using text interface or gtk/qt. The interface is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> completely different in curses than gtk interfaces. Curses version is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> second rate citizen, and Gui is all GTK. A lot of the tools are not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> available in curses interface, for instance, I don't see a way to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install software or managing repositories. It would be nice to have qt
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version as well as gtk (not a major issue, but would be nice)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well a proposal[1] to work on it -porting to qt- is already added by me,
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not a perl programmer so it's hard for me to do the most, but i'm
+</I>&gt;<i> trying to get helped by other people (i got one positive answer at the
+</I>&gt;<i> moment)...
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm open to discuss :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview</A>
+</I>Okay, Ill join in the conversation tomorrow after a good sleep.
+In short however, the beauty of using libYui is that qt/gtk/curses are 
+supported by all modules implicitly.
+Also libYui is actively developed and maintained by attachmate/opensuse, 
+and has been ported to fedora, ubuntu, debian and Gentoo. The biggest 
+issues people seem to have is lack of resources to build and maintain, 
+well using this method we offload half of the development effort (Ui 
+layer already developed, tested and maintained). Collaboration with 
+other major distro's increases the developer pool and reduces the 
+maintenance load.
+
+You are not a perl developeer, what do you code in? libYui is in C++ 
+with bindings for perl, python and ruby that I know of.
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+Anyway, chat soon, would love to keep the discussion going.
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+On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 09:59:11PM +1000, Steven Tucker wrote:
+&gt;<i> MCC is great, and I would love to be able to admin using it
+</I>&gt;<i> regardless of whether I am using text interface or gtk/qt. The
+</I>&gt;<i> interface is completely different in curses than gtk interfaces.
+</I>&gt;<i> Curses version is a second rate citizen, and Gui is all GTK. A lot
+</I>&gt;<i> of the tools are not available in curses interface, for instance, I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't see a way to install software or managing repositories. It
+</I>&gt;<i> would be nice to have qt version as well as gtk (not a major issue,
+</I>&gt;<i> but would be nice)
+</I>
+If MCC was in Qt, I wouldn't care. Only slightly mind that the gtk
+version is not the latest.
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+&gt;<i> *Possible solution* I have thought how this could be addressed and
+</I>&gt;<i> feel that in the long term, the best solution would be to have the
+</I>&gt;<i> interface layer abstracted. So when developing a module, you use the
+</I>
+A few questions:
+* Are you proposing to do the work?
+* Do you have any experience developing in Yui?
+* Did you try and port one module to this Yui library?
+
+I noticed you put yourself as feature owner, so think above questions
+are fairly reasonable.
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+    <B>David Walser</B> 
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+This has advantages pretty much everywhere, but especially to laptops, desktops, and VMs.
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+It would impact the DrakX (installer and control center) code.
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> As Fedora has done, the proposal to change the default NTP client to chrony:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP</A>
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+Note that systemd has some deamon to control &quot;NTP&quot;:
+<A HREF="http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/timedated">http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/timedated</A>
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+Suggest MCC and so on make use of that as much as possible. If you
+agree, please add to feature page.
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+    <I>Wed Jun 13 15:42:43 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Monday 11 June 2012 10:58, Angelo Naselli wrote:
+&gt;<i> See
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview</A>
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+The suggestion to port the drakx tools it to QT have one implication with blind users which needs consideration.
+I have a blind friend which uses a braille to navigate a computer. Currently there is no support for QT applications when using brltty. Whenever he encounters a QT program, the braille does not report any output from the QT application. It's as if there is nothing in the porgram and it's just a big, empty, useless popup box. When I mention to him that I found this or that program that does X, the first thing he ask if he's interested in the program is whether it's GTK or QT.
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+So there should at least be a coexistence with the GTK version. Braille users need to be able to chose the GTQ version of drakxtools. Perhaps the installer should prefer the GTK version over QT if it detects a braille.
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+If we switch to QT and drop the GTK version, blind users will not be able to use the GUI drak tools.
+I know it's a long way untill this switch is beeing made, if it does, but this should be considered when making the decition.
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+    <B>Jani V&#228;limaa</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Name        : gambas3                      Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 3.1.1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 1.1.mga2                      Build Date: Wed Jun 13 13:04:14 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group       : Development/Other             Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size        : 8615965                          License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : matteo &lt;matteo&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://gambas.sourceforge.net">http://gambas.sourceforge.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary     : Complete IDE based on a BASIC interpreter with object extensions
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Gambas is a free development environment based on a Basic interpreter
+</I>&gt;<i> with object extensions, like Visual Basic(tm) (but it is NOT a clone!).
+</I>&gt;<i> With Gambas, you can quickly design your program GUI, access MySQL or
+</I>&gt;<i> PostgreSQL databases, translate your program into many languages,
+</I>&gt;<i> create network applications easily, build RPMs of your apps
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically, and so on...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> matteo &lt;matteo&gt; 3.1.1-1.1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 260284
+</I>&gt;<i> - added patch to fix bug mga#6413
+</I>
+Aaand the bug 6413 is about what??
+
+You should add one-liner comment about the bug too, not just the bug id.
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I got a major concern about the input method in GNOME 3.6+.
+</I>&gt;<i> According to some source from the CJK community here and in China,
+</I>&gt;<i> GNOME3 would default to iBus  since 3.6+ and very hard to change the
+</I>&gt;<i> input method since it's hard-coded. Are we also going to follow this
+</I>&gt;<i> direction?
+</I>
+I checked today and this is what I got:
+&quot;basically if you use ibus, you get a nicely integrated gnome ui; if
+ you use anything else, you get whatever the framework provides (probably
+ some kind of status icon in the message tray)&quot;
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+So in practice I presume that various bits within GNOME will check for
+IBus, and if it is there, show options to configure it wherever it makes
+sense. Maybe &quot;System Settings&quot;, maybe elsewhere.
+Whatever will be in UI, it will hide that IBus is used underneath.
+
+To use another input method:
+Same as currently. Remove ibus, install another. &quot;System Settings&quot; and
+so on won't allow you to configure anything other than ibus.. but you
+couldn't at the moment anyway.
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+In short:
+When using IBus, experience is nicer. When using another input method,
+no change.. except you might notice that the experience is not as nice
+as IBus experience.
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+    <B>David Walser</B> 
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+<PRE>Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 06:30:46AM -0700, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As Fedora has done, the proposal to change the default NTP client to chrony:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that systemd has some deamon to control &quot;NTP&quot;:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/timedated">http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/timedated</A>
+</I>
+Thanks for pointing that out, it's a new thing that I wasn't aware of.
+
+Fedora has just added it to their ntp package:
+<A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=ntp.git;a=commitdiff;h=a05ddcca8f863e9d2585271207bad00da4b30e6f">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=ntp.git;a=commitdiff;h=a05ddcca8f863e9d2585271207bad00da4b30e6f</A>
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+We'll pull that change in the next time we update our ntp package and its
+systemd unit file.
+
+They also added it to chrony, which we'll get when we import it:
+<A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=chrony.git;a=commitdiff;h=f56b1f868382bd6c4a2774e39bb4d9004c79c953">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=chrony.git;a=commitdiff;h=f56b1f868382bd6c4a2774e39bb4d9004c79c953</A>
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+I don't think anything needs to be added to the feature proposal page.
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+&gt;<i> Suggest MCC and so on make use of that as much as possible. If you
+</I>&gt;<i> agree, please add to feature page.
+</I>
+What changes would need to be made in MCC for this?
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 13/06/12 15:05 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 06:30:46AM -0700, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As Fedora has done, the proposal to change the default NTP client to chrony:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note that systemd has some deamon to control &quot;NTP&quot;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/timedated">http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/timedated</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for pointing that out, it's a new thing that I wasn't aware of.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora has just added it to their ntp package:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=ntp.git;a=commitdiff;h=a05ddcca8f863e9d2585271207bad00da4b30e6f">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=ntp.git;a=commitdiff;h=a05ddcca8f863e9d2585271207bad00da4b30e6f</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We'll pull that change in the next time we update our ntp package and its
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd unit file.
+</I>
+I already made the important part of that change in mga2 prior to release:
+
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/ntp/current/SOURCES/ntpd.service?r1=227388&amp;r2=234622">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/ntp/current/SOURCES/ntpd.service?r1=227388&amp;r2=234622</A>
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+We differ from fedora which effectively mades it static when installed
+(i.e. no way to disable it), whereas we still provide a way to disable
+it should the user wish (although it is enabled by default).
+
+&gt;<i> They also added it to chrony, which we'll get when we import it:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=chrony.git;a=commitdiff;h=f56b1f868382bd6c4a2774e39bb4d9004c79c953">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=chrony.git;a=commitdiff;h=f56b1f868382bd6c4a2774e39bb4d9004c79c953</A>
+</I>
+Yup. I'm not sure if we should take the same course of action as ntp
+(make them both still optional if installed) of if the packages
+themselves should conflict or similar. I'm not sure what kind of havoc
+is wreaked when both ntp and chrony are installed together.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Suggest MCC and so on make use of that as much as possible. If you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> agree, please add to feature page.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> What changes would need to be made in MCC for this?
+</I>
+Basically make it use the dbus service exclusively to adjust the time
+and timezone (tho' there may still be some files to be written with zone
+information etc, but I'm not 100% sure without looking properly)
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+&gt;<i> If we switch to QT and drop the GTK version
+</I>That will never happen, i believe.
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+I'm sorry for the QT problem and blind users, i'm really interested in that and i probaly
+mail you in private to get more info. Anyway it's not what
+i proposed, moving fron qt is not my request, what i proposed
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+&gt;<i> You are not a perl developeer, what do you code in? libYui is in C++ 
+</I>&gt;<i> with bindings for perl, python and ruby that I know of.
+</I>Well let's say C++ should not be a problem :)
+If we have a perl binding and we can save the interface we have
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+&gt;<i> what i proposed is to have the availability to choose a QT interface for our tools 
+</I>&gt;<i> as well as for any other libraries 
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+Ahh. That makes much more sense. :-)=
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+    <B>David Walser</B> 
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+&gt;<i> David Walser writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Olav Vitters writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Note that systemd has some deamon to control &quot;NTP&quot;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/timedated">http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/timedated</A>
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+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Suggest MCC and so on make use of that as much as possible. If you agree,
+</I>please add to feature page.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; What changes would need to be made in MCC for this?
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Basically make it use the dbus service exclusively to adjust the time
+</I>&gt;<i> and timezone (tho' there may still be some files to be written with zone
+</I>&gt;<i> information etc, but I'm not 100% sure without looking properly)
+</I>
+That sounds like the basis for its own feature proposal.
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+<PRE>I think at least chrony should be imported at first.
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+2012/6/13 David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> As Fedora has done, the proposal to change the default NTP client to chrony:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ChronyDefaultNTP">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ChronyDefaultNTP</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This has advantages pretty much everywhere, but especially to laptops, desktops, and VMs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would impact the DrakX (installer and control center) code.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP</A>
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+&gt;<i> It was available for a short period, tough, it could have been installed
+</I>&gt;<i> at this moment. Using --force if needed.
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+This is just a follow up email after the packagers meeting on behalf of QA.
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+* At packagers request we have recently been trialling the use of one 
+bug report where updates cover both releases. So mga1 and mga2 on the 
+same bug. So far it has been working quite well. Complex ones like php 
+have been using two bugs so if you do this please use common sense as to 
+whether it needs two (or more) or could be put onto one.
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+One which should really have been split was the recent postgresql update 
+where 8.4 &amp; 9.0 for mga1 and 8.4 9.0 &amp; 9.1 for mga2 were all on one bug 
+report. It could have been better with one for each version. Luckily 
+there was nothing wrong and validating went without a hitch but if 
+something was wrong then it would have been very difficult to keep track.
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+* As we are now mostly using one bug report for this type of update we 
+need a simple way to be able to spot those bugs. With current bugzilla 
+it is not possible to set multiple releases. We'd appreciate if you 
+could follow the bugsquad policy for this.
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+It is quite simple and elegant really. Set the 'Version' to 2 and add 
+MGA1TOO into the 'Whiteboard'.
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+Doing so will enable QA to see straight away that the bug has updates 
+for both releases.
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+In the meeting an action was set with the wrong keyword 'MGA2TOO' so 
+please ignore that, it should be 'MGA1TOO' as 'Version' will already be 
+set to '2'.
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+Much appreciated
+Thankyou
+Claire (MrsB)
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+    <B>Olivier Blin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Le 12/06/2012 09:41, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 11 June 2012 22:22, guillomovitch &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 1:1.2.6-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 259882
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add exports.d directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - use /var/lib/nfs/statd for statd, instead of /var/lib/nfs, as in fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add modprobe config file to alias 'nfs4' to 'nfs'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add systemd support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - drop sysinit support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - merge client and server package, as per redhat setup
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now installing a kernel spits those messages:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libkmod: conf_files_filter_out: Directories inside directories are not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supported: /lib/modprobe.d/nfs.conf
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (...)
+</I>&gt;<i> We currently have no such /lib/modprobe.d directory in the
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution, only /etc/modprobe.d. I guess our kmod package doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> support it yet, but should sooner or later. If I'm wrong, it's easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> switch back to /etc/modprobe.d instead.
+</I>
+Actually, you installed the file as /lib/modprobe.d/nfs.conf/nfs.conf
+I've removed the extra directory level.
+
+But we should probably use /etc/modprobe.d/nfs.conf instead.
+
+-- 
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 12/06/12 07:26 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 12/06/2012 02:37, JA Magall&#243;n a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/12/2012 02:29 AM, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/11/2012 10:22 PM, guillomovitch wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : nfs-utils                    Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 1.2.6                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Jun 11
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 22:21:14 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group       : Networking/Other              Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size        : 787418                           License: GPL
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/nfs/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/nfs/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary     : The utilities for Linux NFS server
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This package provides various programs needed for NFS support on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> server.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 1:1.2.6-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 259882
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add exports.d directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - use /var/lib/nfs/statd for statd, instead of /var/lib/nfs, as in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add modprobe config file to alias 'nfs4' to 'nfs'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add systemd support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - drop sysinit support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - merge client and server package, as per redhat setup
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some weird things happen with this and systemd...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I had nfs server active. After update and reboot, I had no nfs server
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> running.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do I have to add in systemd to get them working ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I got it by:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemctl enable nfs.target (still had no server...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemctl enable nfs-server.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Are those the correct top level units ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> TIA
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ah, and after reboot systemd still shows nfs-common.service:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:/etc/systemd# systemctl --all | grep nfs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proc-fs-nfsd.mount        loaded active   mounted       RPC Pipe File
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> System
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-common.service        error  inactive dead         
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-common.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-idmap.service         loaded active   running       NFSv4 ID-name
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mapping daemon
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-mountd.service        loaded active   running       NFS Mount Daemon
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-rquotad.service       loaded inactive dead          NFS Remote Quota
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Server
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-server.service        loaded active   exited        NFS Server
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs.target                loaded active   active        Network File
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> System Server
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:/etc/systemd# systemctl status nfs-common.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-common.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        Active: inactive (dead) since Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:30:45 +0200; 1h
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5min ago
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Same issue here. I think that's just another bogus output of systemctl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> list-units --all output.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This happens if it's referred to by another unit. i.e. as an After or a
+</I>&gt;<i> Before reference etc. It shows up wtthout a proper description and just
+</I>&gt;<i> the unit name. I think it would be better to put a generic &quot;[Missing] in
+</I>&gt;<i> the description rather than the unit fragment name, but hey ho. Maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> this is done already in newer versions.
+</I>
+Right, we have this in remote-fs-pre.target :
+After=nfs-common.service
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+&gt;<i> On 06/12/2012 02:29 AM, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/11/2012 10:22 PM, guillomovitch wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : nfs-utils                    Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 1.2.6                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Jun 11 22:21:14 2012
+</I>
+[...]
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Some weird things happen with this and systemd...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I had nfs server active. After update and reboot, I had no nfs server
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> running.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What do I have to add in systemd to get them working ?
+</I>
+It seems the service are not enabled automatically at package install.
+Guillaume, is there any reason why you did not add any %_post_service
+scriptlet for all these new systemd units?
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+I've just gone through the installer from the live CD a couple of times
+and noted a number of places where it's a little rough around the
+edges.  I'd like to propose, as a feature, a polished-up live CD
+installer.  I've started making notes on the wiki:
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+In fairness, I remember having many of the same complaints in the old
+Mandriva days.  I think there's an opportunity now to spend a bit of
+time and have the installer become much improved.  The notes in the page
+I put up shouldn't be considered complete, but I wanted to have it
+posted before the submission cutoff.
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 11/06/12 15:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Monday, June 11, 2012 04:16:06 AM Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and spuhler at 10/06/12 01:11 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Name        : libmbfl                      Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; relocatable) Version     : 1.2.0                             Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Mageia.Org Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Sun
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Jun 10 02:10:21 2012 Install Date: (not installed)               Build
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Host: jonund.mageia.org Group       : System/Libraries             
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Size        : 776978                           License: LGPL
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Packager    : spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; URL         : <A HREF="http://sourceforge.jp/projects/php-i18n/">http://sourceforge.jp/projects/php-i18n/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Summary     : Streamable kanji code filter and converter
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; This is Libmbfl, a streamable multibyte character code filter and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; converter library.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 1.2.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; + Revision: 259179
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - upgrade to 1.2.0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; This breaks PHP and other things that use the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mbfl_identify_encoding_no() symbols.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1.2.0 is seriously broken. Please revert or find a proper fix without
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; this PHP is pretty useless.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; We discovered this during the freeze cycle, so I think a proper fix
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; should be found (maybe a PHP patch? maybe a patch to this lib), or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; accept that it should simply not be updated and a comment indicating as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; much added to the spec to prevent future submissions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Col
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I detected it as well. I an working on it. Seems mdv doesn't have the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; problem, at least not on my cooker box.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe PHP 5.4.* doesn't use those symbols any more?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>5.4 made it disappear. I will start the upgrade process. There are a few 
+packages that need rebuild, so it may take a few days.
+-- 
+Best regards
+Thomas Spuhler
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+&gt;<i> I've just gone through the installer from the live CD a couple of times
+</I>&gt;<i> and noted a number of places where it's a little rough around the
+</I>&gt;<i> edges. &#160;I'd like to propose, as a feature, a polished-up live CD
+</I>&gt;<i> installer. &#160;I've started making notes on the wiki:
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:InstallerCleanup">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:InstallerCleanup</A>
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+You should rename it as Feature:LiveInstallerCleanup then.
+Installer is drakx (for install DVD not live cds).
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 1:1.2.6-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 260392
+</I>&gt;<i> - do not install modalias nfs.conf in a sub-directory (this is invalid)
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+dir-&gt;file =&gt; boom
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+      7/8: nfs-utils
+################################################################################
+error: unpacking of archive failed on file /lib/modprobe.d/nfs.conf:
+cpio: rename failed - Is a directory
+error: nfs-utils-1:1.2.6-3.mga3.x86_64: install failed
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+&gt;<i> since the new busybox (which I maintain in Mageia) package did not build with
+</I>&gt;<i> the uClibc version that was present in Cauldron, I grab maintainership for
+</I>&gt;<i> uClibc too, and commited a new uClibc package to the svn (based a lot on the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Cooker package).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, now I'm wondering how to best test it to make sure nothing got broken.
+</I>&gt;<i> Which programs are using it on a Mageia system that I can use to test?
+</I>
+Not that much.
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+    <B>Simple w</B> 
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Im not understanding how this goes, who should i contact to know who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can mentor me?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I see that Sandro proposed to mentor and also Shlomi Fish said that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could also do it but i havent received any mail in my account saying
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that the mentoring process has started, or its me who needs to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mentoring is based on volunteers and their free time. So be patient
+</I>
+I have all bumblebee (its dependencies) all packaged, i did asked
+Anssi sometime ago to check them, and he did but there were some
+changes to do.
+Meanwhile i have updated the packages so i ask if someone could review them.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pedro
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+]$ LC_ALL=C sudo urpmi lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+The following package cannot be installed because it depends on packages
+that are older than the installed ones:
+lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel-0.5.1-1.mga2
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+While some packages may have been installed, there were failures.
+The following package cannot be installed because it depends on packages
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+    <B>Olivier Blin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 13 June 2012 23:23, blino &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 1:1.2.6-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 260392
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - do not install modalias nfs.conf in a sub-directory (this is invalid)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> dir-&gt;file =&gt; boom
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>       7/8: nfs-utils
+</I>&gt;<i> ################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> error: unpacking of archive failed on file /lib/modprobe.d/nfs.conf:
+</I>&gt;<i> cpio: rename failed - Is a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> error: nfs-utils-1:1.2.6-3.mga3.x86_64: install failed
+</I>
+Yes, but it's cauldron, do we really want to have a %post script to
+handle this one-time cauldron mistake forever?
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+I'll move the conf to /etc/modprobe.d/nfs.conf then...
+-- 
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+2012/6/14 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> Im running mageia cauldron and i got this problem:
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+</I>&gt;<i> ]$ LC_ALL=C sudo urpmi lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> The following package cannot be installed because it depends on packages
+</I>&gt;<i> that are older than the installed ones:
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel-0.5.1-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;<i> While some packages may have been installed, there were failures.
+</I>&gt;<i> The following package cannot be installed because it depends on packages
+</I>&gt;<i> that are older than the installed ones:
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel-0.5.1-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway?
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+&gt;<i> JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/12/2012 02:29 AM, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/11/2012 10:22 PM, guillomovitch wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : nfs-utils                    Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 1.2.6                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Jun 11 22:21:14 2012
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some weird things happen with this and systemd...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I had nfs server active. After update and reboot, I had no nfs server
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> running.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do I have to add in systemd to get them working ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems the service are not enabled automatically at package install.
+</I>&gt;<i> Guillaume, is there any reason why you did not add any %_post_service
+</I>&gt;<i> scriptlet for all these new systemd units?
+</I>Mainly because I still don't understand the exact relationship between 
+the 8 different services, some of them being apparently alternatives 
+nfs-secure-server.service vs nfs-server.service), other very specifics 
+services (nfs-rquotad.service). So, the basic idea of automatically 
+enabling the service of any installed package, because installing it 
+usually denote the intent of using it, doesn't match very well here. 
+Especially since the merge of clients and server packages.
+
+Also, I have no idea about how to handle the mismatch between the old 
+sysinit service scripts (one for all clients service, one for all server 
+services) during the upgrade, for already configured services.
+
+-- 
+The first bug to land on your clean windshield will always splatter 
+right in front of your eyes
+		-- Murphy's Driving Laws n&#176;11
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 13/06/12 23:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 12/06/12 07:26 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 12/06/2012 02:37, JA Magall&#243;n a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/12/2012 02:29 AM, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/11/2012 10:22 PM, guillomovitch wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : nfs-utils                    Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 1.2.6                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Jun 11
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 22:21:14 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group       : Networking/Other              Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size        : 787418                           License: GPL
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/nfs/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/nfs/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary     : The utilities for Linux NFS server
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This package provides various programs needed for NFS support on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> server.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 1:1.2.6-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 259882
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add exports.d directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - use /var/lib/nfs/statd for statd, instead of /var/lib/nfs, as in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add modprobe config file to alias 'nfs4' to 'nfs'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add systemd support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - drop sysinit support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - merge client and server package, as per redhat setup
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some weird things happen with this and systemd...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I had nfs server active. After update and reboot, I had no nfs server
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> running.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do I have to add in systemd to get them working ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I got it by:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemctl enable nfs.target (still had no server...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemctl enable nfs-server.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Are those the correct top level units ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> TIA
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ah, and after reboot systemd still shows nfs-common.service:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:/etc/systemd# systemctl --all | grep nfs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proc-fs-nfsd.mount        loaded active   mounted       RPC Pipe File
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> System
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-common.service        error  inactive dead         
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-common.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-idmap.service         loaded active   running       NFSv4 ID-name
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mapping daemon
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-mountd.service        loaded active   running       NFS Mount Daemon
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-rquotad.service       loaded inactive dead          NFS Remote Quota
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Server
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-server.service        loaded active   exited        NFS Server
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs.target                loaded active   active        Network File
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> System Server
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:/etc/systemd# systemctl status nfs-common.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-common.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        Active: inactive (dead) since Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:30:45 +0200; 1h
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5min ago
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Same issue here. I think that's just another bogus output of systemctl
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> list-units --all output.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This happens if it's referred to by another unit. i.e. as an After or a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Before reference etc. It shows up wtthout a proper description and just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the unit name. I think it would be better to put a generic &quot;[Missing] in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the description rather than the unit fragment name, but hey ho. Maybe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this is done already in newer versions.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Right, we have this in remote-fs-pre.target :
+</I>&gt;<i> After=nfs-common.service
+</I>
+Yup, this was added to systemd as nfs-server package did not have native
+units. The correct thing is to ensure all the daemons are setup prior to
+remote-fs-pre.target.
+
+So the &quot;correct&quot; solution here is to put:
+
+Before=remote-fs-pre.target
+
+In the relevant nfs server units to ensure that NFS mount points are
+properly mounted at boot.
+
+See this bug for background (comment 6 in particular):
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5890#c6">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5890#c6</A>
+
+Col
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 14/06/12 08:30 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 14/06/2012 00:30, Olivier Blin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/12/2012 02:29 AM, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/11/2012 10:22 PM, guillomovitch wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : nfs-utils                    Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 1.2.6                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Jun 11
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 22:21:14 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some weird things happen with this and systemd...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I had nfs server active. After update and reboot, I had no nfs server
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> running.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do I have to add in systemd to get them working ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It seems the service are not enabled automatically at package install.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Guillaume, is there any reason why you did not add any %_post_service
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> scriptlet for all these new systemd units?
+</I>&gt;<i> Mainly because I still don't understand the exact relationship between
+</I>&gt;<i> the 8 different services, some of them being apparently alternatives
+</I>&gt;<i> nfs-secure-server.service vs nfs-server.service), other very specifics
+</I>&gt;<i> services (nfs-rquotad.service). So, the basic idea of automatically
+</I>&gt;<i> enabling the service of any installed package, because installing it
+</I>&gt;<i> usually denote the intent of using it, doesn't match very well here.
+</I>&gt;<i> Especially since the merge of clients and server packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, I have no idea about how to handle the mismatch between the old
+</I>&gt;<i> sysinit service scripts (one for all clients service, one for all server
+</I>&gt;<i> services) during the upgrade, for already configured services.
+</I>
+Yeah, I'm not sure how best to handle this either, but I'd suspect most
+of the NFS related servers would be bound together by a target of some
+sort (nfs-server.target?) I've not looked but that would be my guess as
+to how it would work. Then each of the required parts of an nfs-server
+can have .wants links shipped in the package (e.g.
+/lib/systemd/system/nfs-server.target.wants/nfs-rquotad.service).
+
+Of course if these sub-components are optional pats of an &quot;nfs server&quot;,
+then they shouldn't have symlinks shipped in the package. The ones we
+want to &quot;enable by default&quot; should be enabled in a %post script when the
+package is installed *for the first time* and by a %triggerun of the
+version that they were removed to handle upgrades (see systemd package
+for example of this).
+
+As these sub components should all have their install section with:
+[Install]
+WantedBy=nfs-server.target
+
+All you should need to do to migrate sysvinit to systemd is to look for
+the enabled sysvinit scripts and enable the nfs-server.target (the
+target unit itself should contain an install section that means it's
+WantedBy=multi-user.target.
+
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+But I've not really looked at the Fedora units or our nfs package since
+these updates so take the above as a general comment only :)
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 13/06/12 23:26 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Guillaume Rousse &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 12/06/2012 09:41, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 11 June 2012 22:22, guillomovitch &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 1:1.2.6-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 259882
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add exports.d directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - use /var/lib/nfs/statd for statd, instead of /var/lib/nfs, as in fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add modprobe config file to alias 'nfs4' to 'nfs'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add systemd support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - drop sysinit support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - merge client and server package, as per redhat setup
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now installing a kernel spits those messages:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libkmod: conf_files_filter_out: Directories inside directories are not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> supported: /lib/modprobe.d/nfs.conf
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We currently have no such /lib/modprobe.d directory in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distribution, only /etc/modprobe.d. I guess our kmod package doesn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> support it yet, but should sooner or later. If I'm wrong, it's easy to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> switch back to /etc/modprobe.d instead.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually, you installed the file as /lib/modprobe.d/nfs.conf/nfs.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> I've removed the extra directory level.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> But we should probably use /etc/modprobe.d/nfs.conf instead.
+</I>
+IMO we should not use /etc/ here. /etc/ should be the domain of
+administrator changes. IMO packages should always use /lib/ (or
+eventually /usr/lib/) for such things. I've been pushing for this proper
+separation for a while. udev and systemd do it properly although we do
+still ship several udev files in /etc/udev/rules.d/ in packages which
+should, by rights, be in /lib/udev/rules.d/
+
+dbus upstream is still a big offender with policy files often ending up
+in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/ rather than in a /lib/ tree. This can and does
+sometimes have security implications, e.g. with the privilege escalation
+I recently reported regarding sectool:
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=809437">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=809437</A>
+
+The policy file in question was marked with %config(noreplace) as it was
+in /etc. But really this is a policy file which shouldn't be modified by
+users. Therefore it shouldn't be marked as noreplace and it shouldn't
+live in /etc/
+
+
+So, if the /lib/modprobe.d/ dir isn't parsed by kmod, we should fix kmod.
+
+That's my opinion anyway :)
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> This is just a follow up email after the packagers meeting on behalf of QA.
+</I>Last night meeting i haven't thought to a feature i have heard but
+that i don't know and i seem not to find in our bugzilla (maybe it has to
+be enabled?) e.g. the bug clone functionality.
+Could that be useful and cover our needs? IIUC it clones a bug from a starting
+point, the cloner must change the version affected and what is different between the
+two bugs, but the link to the father is anyway in the history of the bug.
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+In such a way QA can follow the story of the single bug (closing it for the right version if needed), 
+and the packager can avoid doing cut&amp;paste for the most...
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 13/06/2012 14:51, Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are the proposed topics for tonight:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Features proposal (Mageia 3 specs)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Managing coming development planning
+</I>&gt;<i> - Backports (tmb can you send the mail to summarize current endless
+</I>&gt;<i> discussions ?)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Collaboration policy
+</I>
+
+Backport discussion is postponed to next week as we need first to mail a 
+summary of current discussion to avoid one more endless meeting about 
+all this.
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+Here is the log of this meeting
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+As discussed in meeting last week, a collaboration policy was needed to 
+make things clear and clean about reusing code/patches/artwork... from 
+other projects / distributions.
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+As a result, Colin wrote one on the wiki:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy</A>
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+Please have a look on it. Any comments welcome until tomorrow evening.
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+Cheers
+-- 
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Revision 4943 Author obgr_seneca Date 2012-06-14 11:42:32 +0200 (Thu, 14 Jun
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Right, we have this in remote-fs-pre.target :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After=nfs-common.service
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup, this was added to systemd as nfs-server package did not have native
+</I>&gt;<i> units. The correct thing is to ensure all the daemons are setup prior to
+</I>&gt;<i> remote-fs-pre.target.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So the &quot;correct&quot; solution here is to put:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Before=remote-fs-pre.target
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the relevant nfs server units to ensure that NFS mount points are
+</I>&gt;<i> properly mounted at boot.
+</I>I fixed systemd package in SVN, I'm waiting to add corresponding change 
+in nfs-utils package to submit it.
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+BOFH excuse #191:
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+<PRE>2012/6/14 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> urpmi --debug?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/6/14 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Im running mageia cauldron and i got this problem:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ]$ LC_ALL=C sudo urpmi lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The following package cannot be installed because it depends on packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that are older than the installed ones:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel-0.5.1-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While some packages may have been installed, there were failures.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The following package cannot be installed because it depends on packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that are older than the installed ones:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel-0.5.1-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway?
+</I>
+~]# LC_ALL=C urpmi --debug lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+getting lock on urpmi
+parsing: /etc/urpmi/mediacfg.d/Devel-2-x86_64
+parsing: /etc/urpmi/mediacfg.d/Devel-3-x86_64
+loading mirrors cache
+using mirror <A HREF="http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64">http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64</A>
+using mirror <A HREF="http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64">http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64</A>
+using mirror <A HREF="http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64">http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64</A>
+using mirror <A HREF="http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64">http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64</A>
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.core media.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core Release
+(distrib1)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree Release
+(distrib11)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Tainted Release
+(distrib21)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit Release
+(distrib31)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+getting exclusive lock on rpm
+search_packages: found lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel-0.5.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+matching lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+found package(s): lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel-0.5.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+opening rpmdb (root=, write=)
+selecting lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel-0.5.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+requiring lib64dbusmenu-glib-devel[==
+0.5.1],lib64dbusmenu-gtk3-gir0.4[== 0.5.1],lib64dbusmenu-gtk3_4[==
+0.5.1] for lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel-0.5.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+chosen lib64dbusmenu-gtk3-gir0.4-0.5.1-1.mga2.x86_64 for
+lib64dbusmenu-gtk3-gir0.4[== 0.5.1]
+the more recent lib64dbusmenu-gtk3-gir0.4-0.5.94-1.x86_64 is
+installed, but does not provide lib64dbusmenu-gtk3-gir0.4[== 0.5.1]
+whereas lib64dbusmenu-gtk3-gir0.4-0.5.1-1.mga2.x86_64 does
+selecting lib64dbusmenu-gtk3-gir0.4-0.5.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting lib64dbusmenu-gtk3-gir0.4-0.5.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel-0.5.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+requiring lib64dbusmenu-gtk3_4[== 0.5.1] for
+lib64dbusmenu-gtk3-gir0.4-0.5.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+The following package cannot be installed because it depends on packages
+that are older than the installed ones:
+lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel-0.5.1-1.mga2
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+scheduled sets of transactions:
+unlocking urpmi database
+unlocking rpm database
+While some packages may have been installed, there were failures.
+The following package cannot be installed because it depends on packages
+that are older than the installed ones:
+lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel-0.5.1-1.mga2
+Continue installation anyway?
+EXITING (pid=20599)
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+is starting to lessen and it would be worth sorting out a mentor for me. 
+I am in the UK.
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+Rob
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+On 14/06/12 06:41, Simple w wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/13 Anne Nicolas&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Im not understanding how this goes, who should i contact to know who
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can mentor me?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I see that Sandro proposed to mentor and also Shlomi Fish said that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> could also do it but i havent received any mail in my account saying
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that the mentoring process has started, or its me who needs to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> something?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mentoring is based on volunteers and their free time. So be patient
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have all bumblebee (its dependencies) all packaged, i did asked
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi sometime ago to check them, and he did but there were some
+</I>&gt;<i> changes to do.
+</I>&gt;<i> Meanwhile i have updated the packages so i ask if someone could review them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Pedro
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+&gt;<i> As discussed in meeting last week, a collaboration policy was needed to 
+</I>&gt;<i> make things clear and clean about reusing code/patches/artwork... from 
+</I>&gt;<i> other projects / distributions.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> As a result, Colin wrote one on the wiki:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please have a look on it. Any comments welcome until tomorrow evening.
+</I>
+It looks fine, and documents the unwritten rules most of us have already been
+following.  My only nitpick is with the last section, &quot;General Behavior.&quot;
+The connection between that section and the rest of the document or the
+&quot;Collaboration policy&quot; in general is not clear.
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+&gt;<i> 2012/6/15 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the more recent lib64dbusmenu-gtk3-gir0.4-0.5.94-1.x86_64 is
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess this one is not a mageia package, nor mandriva package.
+</I>
+Yes, sorry, i did made a rebuild with a newer version, ignore thia thread.
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+    <B>Olivier Blin</B> 
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+<PRE>Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As discussed in meeting last week, a collaboration policy was needed
+</I>&gt;<i> to make things clear and clean about reusing
+</I>&gt;<i> code/patches/artwork... from other projects / distributions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a result, Colin wrote one on the wiki:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please have a look on it. Any comments welcome until tomorrow evening.
+</I>
+Hello,
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+Crediting patchs from others by only mentionning the source
+(i.e. Mandriva, Fedora, XBMC, ...) is not enough IMHO.
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+If we want to give proper credits, we should also mention the author of
+the patch.
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+Olivier Blin - blino
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now installing a kernel spits those messages:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libkmod: conf_files_filter_out: Directories inside directories are not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> supported: /lib/modprobe.d/nfs.conf
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We currently have no such /lib/modprobe.d directory in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distribution, only /etc/modprobe.d. I guess our kmod package doesn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> support it yet, but should sooner or later. If I'm wrong, it's easy to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> switch back to /etc/modprobe.d instead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Actually, you installed the file as /lib/modprobe.d/nfs.conf/nfs.conf
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've removed the extra directory level.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But we should probably use /etc/modprobe.d/nfs.conf instead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMO we should not use /etc/ here. /etc/ should be the domain of
+</I>&gt;<i> administrator changes. IMO packages should always use /lib/ (or
+</I>&gt;<i> eventually /usr/lib/) for such things. I've been pushing for this proper
+</I>&gt;<i> separation for a while. udev and systemd do it properly although we do
+</I>&gt;<i> still ship several udev files in /etc/udev/rules.d/ in packages which
+</I>&gt;<i> should, by rights, be in /lib/udev/rules.d/
+</I>
+Yes, but currently, kmod and other system packages install modprobe
+config files in /etc/modprobe.d:
+$ rpm -qf /etc/modprobe.d/*
+kmod-8-1.mga3
+kmod-8-1.mga3
+kmod-8-1.mga3
+cups-common-1.5.3-5.mga3
+kmod-8-1.mga3
+kmod-8-1.mga3
+sound-scripts-0.62-9.mga3
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+To be consistent, I moved the nfs-utils file there
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+&gt;<i> dbus upstream is still a big offender with policy files often ending up
+</I>&gt;<i> in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/ rather than in a /lib/ tree. This can and does
+</I>&gt;<i> sometimes have security implications, e.g. with the privilege escalation
+</I>&gt;<i> I recently reported regarding sectool:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=809437">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=809437</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The policy file in question was marked with %config(noreplace) as it was
+</I>&gt;<i> in /etc. But really this is a policy file which shouldn't be modified by
+</I>&gt;<i> users. Therefore it shouldn't be marked as noreplace and it shouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> live in /etc/
+</I>
+Well, system administrators might want to change the default dbus
+permissions.
+
+&gt;<i> So, if the /lib/modprobe.d/ dir isn't parsed by kmod, we should fix kmod.
+</I>
+It seems it is parsed by kmod, but this doesn not seem to be mentionned
+in the doc, and no package owns the dir...
+
+I agree about moving modprobe config file into a system dir, but things
+have to be done properly (with doc, proper directory owning, and all
+packages doing the same).
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+</I>&gt;<i> have to be done properly (with doc, proper directory owning, and all
+</I>&gt;<i> packages doing the same).
+</I>
+Make it a feature :)
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+&gt;<i> Crediting patchs from others by only mentionning the source
+</I>&gt;<i> (i.e. Mandriva, Fedora, XBMC, ...) is not enough IMHO.
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+</I>&gt;<i> If we want to give proper credits, we should also mention the author of
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+It doesn't say we don't give credit to the patch author.  It just says in our
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+&gt;<i> Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Crediting patchs from others by only mentionning the source
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (i.e. Mandriva, Fedora, XBMC, ...) is not enough IMHO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If we want to give proper credits, we should also mention the author of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the patch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It doesn't say we don't give credit to the patch author.  It just says in our
+</I>&gt;<i> package changelog (a.k.a. our SVN commit messages), you mention where you got
+</I>&gt;<i> the patch from, because at that level you want to be concise and that's a much
+</I>&gt;<i> more useful piece of information.
+</I>
+It says that we prefer to mention &quot;source&quot; over &quot;author&quot;.
+That's not good enough IMHO if we want to be ok with credits.
+The &quot;source&quot; is not the one retaining the copyright on a change, only
+the author owns this.
+And mentionning an author's name is the minimum reward when
+cherry-picking a change.
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:23:07PM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I agree about moving modprobe config file into a system dir, but things
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have to be done properly (with doc, proper directory owning, and all
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+</I>&gt;<i> Make it a feature :)
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+</I>&gt;<i> and have rpmlint complain/prevent this?
+</I>Sure. That's a wonderful idea to invest some time to ensure an obsoletes 
+setup doesn't evolves inadvertently, instead of fixing kmod.
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+Apparently it was at one time a known issue and there was a flamewar about it.  I'm not totally sold on it myself, but I understand the argument.  Anyway, here's the issue...
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+Usually you use %exclude when you have some glob in a %files list, but you want to exclude something from it, because that file or directory is actually in another subpackage.
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+%exclude can also be used to just not package a file at all, which if that's what you meant to do, is OK IMO.  It's possible however, that you use an %exclude, thinking you are just excluding something from one subpackage, but you don't realize it's actually not packaged at all.  rpm will catch this and warn you about the unpackaged file, but we patched that out of rpm with this patch:
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/rpm/releases/1%3A4.6.1/6.mga1/SOURCES/rpm-4.6.0-dont-add-excluded-files-to-check_fileList.patch?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/rpm/releases/1%3A4.6.1/6.mga1/SOURCES/rpm-4.6.0-dont-add-excluded-files-to-check_fileList.patch?view=markup</A>
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+Personally I don't like that rpm will choke the build if it's what you meant to do, but it does make our specs incompatible with other distros like mdv if we make use of that use of %exclude.  It also could be a bigger problem if we have unpackaged files that we aren't aware of, and I've heard other packagers say they even try to go easy on the globs in %files lists because they want to be sure they know what is and isn't packaged.  So it seems we usually try to be more careful about this issue than what this patch allows.
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+Just in case it's not obvious, the way you handle files you actually want to exclude if you can't use %exclude is to either remove them in %install, or patch the Makefiles to not install them in the first place.
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+So, maybe we should do something about this.  My preference would have rpm still complain about unpackaged %excluded files, but not die, just give a warning instead.
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+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">abdul.alattawy at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hello Selimaj, I would like you to mentor be to become a packager. I am a
+</I>&gt;<i> linux user since 2008. I love Linux and I want to help and contribute time
+</I>&gt;<i> to help this great project. I use Centos 6.2, 5.8 and I have several ubuntu
+</I>&gt;<i> boxes. I am also a C/C++, Python programmer. I saw the Magiea linux on
+</I>&gt;<i> distrowatch and I knew that it's a new project so I decided to help the
+</I>&gt;<i> project to move forward.
+</I>&gt;<i> Sincerely,
+</I>&gt;<i> Abdulrahman Alotaibi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+I am flattered Mr. Alattawy. Unfortunately I am an apprentice and I haven't
+started anything yet. My mentor is *kharec* - Sandro CAZZANIGA. Mentors are
+on PINK rows, and apprentices are on WHITE rows.
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+If you look at this page
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+candidates  *heading. You have to edit the page.
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+&gt;<i> blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>[snip]
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Functioning as an update, it would only replace already installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backports, once the tools are appropriately adjusted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are a couple of ways to do that.  The simplest that I can think
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of is to split &quot;backports&quot; into &quot;backports&quot; and &quot;backports update&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Allow cherry picking from &quot;backports&quot; and apply &quot;backports update&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> automatically.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I was thinking of cases where the user chooses to &quot;update&quot; their
+</I>&gt;<i> system.  New versions of backports already installed would be presented
+</I>&gt;<i> as updates, along with those from the update repos.
+</I>&gt;<i> Just as we don't have any update-update repos, it wouldn't make sense to
+</I>&gt;<i> have backport-update repos either.
+</I>[snip]
+
+It depends on how you look at it.  
+
+If you consider non-free, tainted, and backport to be optional 
+and any update package to be highly recommended if and only if 
+the corresponding package is already installed.  Then is does 
+not matter if the old package is a tainted.rpm, nonfree.rpm, 
+bp.rpm, or an ordinary rpm.  Just one way to look at it, not 
+the only way.  
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+<PRE>blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Functioning as an update, it would only replace already installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backports, once the tools are appropriately adjusted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are a couple of ways to do that.  The simplest that I can think
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of is to split &quot;backports&quot; into &quot;backports&quot; and &quot;backports update&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Allow cherry picking from &quot;backports&quot; and apply &quot;backports update&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> automatically.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was thinking of cases where the user chooses to &quot;update&quot; their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> system.  New versions of backports already installed would be presented
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as updates, along with those from the update repos.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just as we don't have any update-update repos, it wouldn't make sense to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have backport-update repos either.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It depends on how you look at it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you consider non-free, tainted, and backport to be optional
+</I>&gt;<i> and any update package to be highly recommended if and only if
+</I>&gt;<i> the corresponding package is already installed.  Then is does
+</I>&gt;<i> not matter if the old package is a tainted.rpm, nonfree.rpm,
+</I>&gt;<i> bp.rpm, or an ordinary rpm.  Just one way to look at it, not
+</I>&gt;<i> the only way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>But how is it possible to distinguish a priori between a backport which 
+will be an update and one which will be a &quot;new&quot; backport on a users' 
+system.  It would only be an &quot;update&quot; if the user has already installed 
+the corresponding backport on their system.
+If the fact it is a backport is ignored, then every backport would be, 
+by definition, an update.  Even packages newly imported to Mageia.
+
+To me, a &quot;corresponding&quot; package is one from the same category, 
+according to whether is is backport or not, and according to whether in 
+&quot;core&quot;, &quot;nonfree&quot;, or &quot;tainted&quot;.
+To consider otherwise is to deny the importance of these categories.
+
+Backports are considered separately because they are much more at risk 
+to not function properly, since they weren't tested with the rest of the 
+release, being added afterwards.  So we have to be much more careful 
+about adding them.  The last thing we want is for the backports to be 
+included automatically with updates, even if the user had not already 
+decided to install the corresponding backport.  Installing a backport 
+should be an exceptional, explicitly decided activity -- except when the 
+user has already decided to install the corresponding backport, when it 
+is useful to present newer versions as updates.  They are likely 
+security or bug fixes.
+
+-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+    <B>David W. Hodgins</B> 
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+<PRE>On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:07:20 -0400, andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> If the fact it is a backport is ignored, then every backport would be,
+</I>&gt;<i> by definition, an update.  Even packages newly imported to Mageia.
+</I>
+It depends on whether the user has set the backport repsository
+as an update repository, or not.
+
+&gt;<i> Backports are considered separately because they are much more at risk
+</I>&gt;<i> to not function properly, since they weren't tested with the rest of the
+</I>&gt;<i> release, being added afterwards.  So we have to be much more careful
+</I>
+Thats why qa will be testing backports, to ensure they install cleanly, and
+the main features work.  As a qa member, I will not validate a backport that
+either requires --allow-force, or that doesn't at least run.
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+<PRE>I don't know about you guys, but I've been waiting for this release for
+some time - unfortunately, they only offer it for the &quot;other&quot;
+distributions:
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+Select your Linux distribution
+Ubuntu 10.04 32-bit
+Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit
+Debian 6.0 32-bit
+Debian 6.0 64-bit
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+OpenSUSE 12.1 32bit
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+I run Mageia Cauldron 64bit mostly - would be great to get a package in
+Cauldron for our Distro!
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+Thanks and have a nice weekend.
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+&gt;<i> I don't know about you guys, but I've been waiting for this release for
+</I>&gt;<i> some time - unfortunately, they only offer it for the &quot;other&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Select your Linux distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> Ubuntu 10.04 32-bit
+</I>&gt;<i> Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit
+</I>&gt;<i> Debian 6.0 32-bit
+</I>&gt;<i> Debian 6.0 64-bit
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora 16 32bit
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenSUSE 12.1 32bit
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I run Mageia Cauldron 64bit mostly - would be great to get a package in
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron for our Distro!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks and have a nice weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> R.Fox
+</I>
+this is in nonfree already
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+</I>&gt;<i> So, maybe we should do something about this.  My preference would have rpm still complain about unpackaged %excluded files, but not die, just give a warning instead.
+</I>
+My preference would be to keep upstream behaviour. And I see that the
+patch has been removed from Mageia 2 and Cauldron, so this is good. We
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+&gt;<i> So, maybe we should do something about this.  My preference would
+</I>&gt;<i> have rpm still complain about unpackaged %excluded files, but not
+</I>&gt;<i> die, just give a warning instead.
+</I>
+Personally, I don't see the point in using %exclude to exclude files
+completely from all sub packages. We can just use &quot;rm&quot; in the the
+%install section for that (we typically already do that to remove *.la
+files for example).
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+So for me %exclude should only operate on subpackage file list and
+should only be useful to undo any wildcard inclusions:
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+%{_libdir}/foo/*
+%exclude %{_libdir}/foo/something-in-another-sub-package
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+That kind of thing.
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+That, to me, seems most logical. I'm not sure what the upstream
+behaviour is, but I would agree that we should follow it all the same
+even if the goal would be to push for upstream changes when needed.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 15/06/12 01:42 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, maybe we should do something about this. &#160;My preference would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have rpm still complain about unpackaged %excluded files, but not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> die, just give a warning instead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally, I don't see the point in using %exclude to exclude files
+</I>&gt;<i> completely from all sub packages. We can just use &quot;rm&quot; in the the
+</I>&gt;<i> %install section for that (we typically already do that to remove *.la
+</I>&gt;<i> files for example).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So for me %exclude should only operate on subpackage file list and
+</I>&gt;<i> should only be useful to undo any wildcard inclusions:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> %files
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/foo/*
+</I>&gt;<i> %exclude %{_libdir}/foo/something-in-another-sub-package
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %files -n sub
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/foo/something-in-another-sub-package
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That kind of thing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That, to me, seems most logical. I'm not sure what the upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> behaviour is, but I would agree that we should follow it all the same
+</I>&gt;<i> even if the goal would be to push for upstream changes when needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+see with upstream. We won't change the behaviour of rpm for this &quot;only
+in mageia&quot; and be inconsistent with fedora/opensuse/...
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+    <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5BPATCH%5D%3A%20fix%20%25setup%20with%20ruby%20gems%20for%20rpmbuild&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2B0WU1T9ezwDcuLt6zbTG0pMzy75xw1T7KfAf24yRSjMRhnj7g%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+    <I>Fri Jun 15 12:02:07 CEST 2012</I>
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+Attached you'll find an updated version of the patch that gives %setup
+special behaviour for ruby gems.
+This takes care of automatically extracting the data.tar.gz as well so
+that it's no longer necessary to manually extract it after %setup in
+%prep.
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+It also replaces use of the obsolete rindex() function with strrchr().
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+Also worth mentioning is that this will fix &quot;incompatibilities&quot; with
+Mandriva ruby gem rpms as well.
+--
+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 15/06/12 01:42 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So, maybe we should do something about this. &#160;My preference would
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> have rpm still complain about unpackaged %excluded files, but not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> die, just give a warning instead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Personally, I don't see the point in using %exclude to exclude files
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> completely from all sub packages. We can just use &quot;rm&quot; in the the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %install section for that (we typically already do that to remove *.la
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> files for example).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So for me %exclude should only operate on subpackage file list and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should only be useful to undo any wildcard inclusions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %files
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/foo/*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %exclude %{_libdir}/foo/something-in-another-sub-package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %files -n sub
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/foo/something-in-another-sub-package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That kind of thing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That, to me, seems most logical. I'm not sure what the upstream
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> behaviour is, but I would agree that we should follow it all the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> even if the goal would be to push for upstream changes when needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> see with upstream. We won't change the behaviour of rpm for this &quot;only
+</I>&gt;<i> in mageia&quot; and be inconsistent with fedora/opensuse/...
+</I>
+Isn't it the upstream behavior already that he is describing?
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+I would like to prepare Mageia packages for more UNIX fortune cookies'
+collections (see the fortune-mod program and
+<A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/">http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/</A> ), but I'm wondering when it is
+acceptable to package them and when it wouldn't be, given that fortune files
+often contain texts and quotes from heterogeneous sources, and licensed under
+various licences (including &quot;All-Rights-Reserved&quot; ones).
+
+For example, can I package the collection here -
+<A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/">http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/</A> - which is by me and which its 
+blanket licence is the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike licence
+(CC-by-sa), but which contains text by many authors and under many licences?
+
+I will appreciate any insights.
+
+Regards,
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+	Shlomi Fish
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+<PRE>On Fri, 15 Jun 2012, Shlomi Fish wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to prepare Mageia packages for more UNIX fortune cookies'
+</I>&gt;<i> collections (see the fortune-mod program and
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/">http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/</A> ), but I'm wondering when it is
+</I>&gt;<i> acceptable to package them and when it wouldn't be, given that fortune files
+</I>&gt;<i> often contain texts and quotes from heterogeneous sources, and licensed under
+</I>&gt;<i> various licences (including &quot;All-Rights-Reserved&quot; ones).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> For example, can I package the collection here -
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/">http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/</A> - which is by me and which its 
+</I>&gt;<i> blanket licence is the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike licence
+</I>&gt;<i> (CC-by-sa), but which contains text by many authors and under many licences?
+</I>
+I think it is almost the same as wikiquote :
+<A HREF="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Copyrights">http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Copyrights</A>
+
+Most countries have laws that allows publishing short quotes of
+copyrighed work. So if done within limits, it should be ok.
+
+Maybe we can use the same limits as wikiquote :
+<A HREF="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Limits_on_quotations">http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Limits_on_quotations</A>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> see with upstream. We won't change the behaviour of rpm for this &quot;only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in mageia&quot; and be inconsistent with fedora/opensuse/...
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+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't it the upstream behavior already that he is describing?
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't know about you guys, but I've been waiting for this release for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; some time - unfortunately, they only offer it for the &quot;other&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distributions:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Select your Linux distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ubuntu 10.04 32-bit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Debian 6.0 32-bit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Debian 6.0 64-bit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Fedora 16 32bit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; OpenSUSE 12.1 32bit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I run Mageia Cauldron 64bit mostly - would be great to get a package in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cauldron for our Distro!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks and have a nice weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; R.Fox
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> this is in nonfree already
+</I>
+Sorry - missed that!  Disregard last message.
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+Cheers,
+Robert
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+Eh? All I can see is version 2.2.0.35 ??
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:40:48 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> D.Morgan wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this is in nonfree already
+</I>&gt;<i> Eh? All I can see is version 2.2.0.35 ??
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+</I>&gt;<i> John
+</I>Are you using cauldron? Is your mirror synced?
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+&gt;<i> Eh? All I can see is version 2.2.0.35 ??
+</I>Read again
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+Sander Lepik wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 15.06.2012 15:14, John kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:40:48 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; D.Morgan wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; this is in nonfree already
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Eh? All I can see is version 2.2.0.35 ??
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; John
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you using cauldron? Is your mirror synced?
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+Opps!! Goes back to hole - looking in wrong box :-)
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Eh? All I can see is version 2.2.0.35 ??
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> John
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Are you using cauldron? Is your mirror synced?
+</I>&gt;<i> Opps!! Goes back to hole - looking in wrong box :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> John
+</I>It should be possible to run it on mga1 and mga2 too (i'm using it on mga2). But for that
+you have to get the rpm manually from cauldron's repo.
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+&gt;<i> From: Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</I>&gt;<i> To: &quot;Mageia development mailing-list&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Cc: &quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Friday, June 15, 2012, 4:53 AM
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at
+</I>&gt;<i> 15/06/12 01:42 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, maybe we should do something about this.&#160; My
+</I>&gt;<i> preference would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; have rpm still complain about unpackaged %excluded
+</I>&gt;<i> files, but not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; die, just give a warning instead.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally, I don't see the point in using %exclude to
+</I>&gt;<i> exclude files
+</I>&gt;<i> completely from all sub packages. We can just use &quot;rm&quot; in
+</I>&gt;<i> the the
+</I>&gt;<i> %install section for that (we typically already do that to
+</I>&gt;<i> remove *.la
+</I>&gt;<i> files for example).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So for me %exclude should only operate on subpackage file
+</I>&gt;<i> list and
+</I>&gt;<i> should only be useful to undo any wildcard inclusions:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> %files
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/foo/*
+</I>&gt;<i> %exclude %{_libdir}/foo/something-in-another-sub-package
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> %files -n sub
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/foo/something-in-another-sub-package
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That kind of thing.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That, to me, seems most logical. I'm not sure what the
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> behaviour is, but I would agree that we should follow it all
+</I>&gt;<i> the same
+</I>&gt;<i> even if the goal would be to push for upstream changes when
+</I>&gt;<i> needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+So, if we want to follow Colin's suggestion, we drop the patch.  The patch changes upstream behavior, and adds the extra usage of %exclude, which as Colin and I pointed out, you can just rm things in %install (or patch Makefiles) instead.
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+&gt;<i> It should be possible to run it on mga1 and mga2 too (i'm using it on
+</I>&gt;<i> mga2). But for that
+</I>&gt;<i> you have to get the rpm manually from cauldron's repo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think this would be worth a backport to mga2 -  a lot of people will look
+for it and most don't have a clue how to get stuff from Cauldron and that
+it is safe to do so (mixing Cauldron and stable being bad idea in general).
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+&gt;<i> --- On Fri, 6/15/12, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> From: Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To: &quot;Mageia development mailing-list&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cc: &quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Date: Friday, June 15, 2012, 4:53 AM
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 15/06/12 01:42 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; So, maybe we should do something about this.&#160; My
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> preference would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; have rpm still complain about unpackaged %excluded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> files, but not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; die, just give a warning instead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Personally, I don't see the point in using %exclude to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> exclude files
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> completely from all sub packages. We can just use &quot;rm&quot; in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %install section for that (we typically already do that to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> remove *.la
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> files for example).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So for me %exclude should only operate on subpackage file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> list and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should only be useful to undo any wildcard inclusions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %files
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/foo/*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %exclude %{_libdir}/foo/something-in-another-sub-package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %files -n sub
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/foo/something-in-another-sub-package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That kind of thing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That, to me, seems most logical. I'm not sure what the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upstream
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> behaviour is, but I would agree that we should follow it all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> even if the goal would be to push for upstream changes when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, if we want to follow Colin's suggestion, we drop the patch. &#160;The patch changes upstream behavior, and adds the extra usage of %exclude, which as Colin and I pointed out, you can just rm things in %install (or patch Makefiles) instead.
+</I>
+WE DON'T USE ANY PATCH FOR THIS AND WE USE UPSTREAM %EXCLUDE BEHAVIOUR
+
+i wrote in big letters to be sure everybody reads well.
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 3:23 PM, David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- On Fri, 6/15/12, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> From: Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To: &quot;Mageia development mailing-list&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cc: &quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Date: Friday, June 15, 2012, 4:53 AM
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 15/06/12 01:42 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So, maybe we should do something about this.  My
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> preference would
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> have rpm still complain about unpackaged %excluded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> files, but not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> die, just give a warning instead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Personally, I don't see the point in using %exclude to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> exclude files
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> completely from all sub packages. We can just use &quot;rm&quot; in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %install section for that (we typically already do that to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> remove *.la
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> files for example).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So for me %exclude should only operate on subpackage file
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> list and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should only be useful to undo any wildcard inclusions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %files
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/foo/*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %exclude %{_libdir}/foo/something-in-another-sub-package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %files -n sub
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/foo/something-in-another-sub-package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That kind of thing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That, to me, seems most logical. I'm not sure what the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upstream
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> behaviour is, but I would agree that we should follow it all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> even if the goal would be to push for upstream changes when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, if we want to follow Colin's suggestion, we drop the patch.  The patch changes upstream behavior, and adds the extra usage of %exclude, which as Colin and I pointed out, you can just rm things in %install (or patch Makefiles) instead.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> WE DON'T USE ANY PATCH FOR THIS AND WE USE UPSTREAM %EXCLUDE BEHAVIOUR
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i wrote in big letters to be sure everybody reads well.
+</I>
+
+:<i>)
+</I>
+Yeah, that patch hasn't existed in our code for a long time it seems.
+
+Both rpm in mga1 and in mga2 don't have it applied. The link David sent
+originally is an old release it seems.
+
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 15/06/12 14:38 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 3:23 PM, David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --- On Fri, 6/15/12, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> From: Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To: &quot;Mageia development mailing-list&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cc: &quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Date: Friday, June 15, 2012, 4:53 AM
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 15/06/12 01:42 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So, maybe we should do something about this. &#160;My
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> preference would
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> have rpm still complain about unpackaged %excluded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> files, but not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> die, just give a warning instead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Personally, I don't see the point in using %exclude to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> exclude files
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> completely from all sub packages. We can just use &quot;rm&quot; in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %install section for that (we typically already do that to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> remove *.la
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> files for example).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So for me %exclude should only operate on subpackage file
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> list and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should only be useful to undo any wildcard inclusions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %files
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/foo/*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %exclude %{_libdir}/foo/something-in-another-sub-package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %files -n sub
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/foo/something-in-another-sub-package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That kind of thing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That, to me, seems most logical. I'm not sure what the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upstream
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> behaviour is, but I would agree that we should follow it all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> even if the goal would be to push for upstream changes when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So, if we want to follow Colin's suggestion, we drop the patch. &#160;The patch changes upstream behavior, and adds the extra usage of %exclude, which as Colin and I pointed out, you can just rm things in %install (or patch Makefiles) instead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WE DON'T USE ANY PATCH FOR THIS AND WE USE UPSTREAM %EXCLUDE BEHAVIOUR
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i wrote in big letters to be sure everybody reads well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, that patch hasn't existed in our code for a long time it seems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Both rpm in mga1 and in mga2 don't have it applied. The link David sent
+</I>&gt;<i> originally is an old release it seems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+yes this is only when we first imported rpm in mga from mdv 2010.x rpm.org.
+
+the goal is to be compatible with rpm.org based linux distribution. If
+you want to see %exclude behaviour to change provide the patch
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I think this would be worth a backport to mga2 -  a lot of people will look
+</I>&gt;<i> for it and most don't have a clue how to get stuff from Cauldron and that
+</I>&gt;<i> it is safe to do so (mixing Cauldron and stable being bad idea in general).
+</I>Backports are not open yet, they should be soon, at the end of our discussion,
+next meeting i hope...
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+<PRE>venerd&#236; 15 giugno 2012 alle 14:45, Sander Lepik ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> But for that
+</I>&gt;<i> you have to get the rpm manually from cauldron's repo.
+</I>it's a noarch, and could be installed easily, but you
+will have a mga3 package in your mga1 or mga2 distro....
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+&gt;<i> venerd&#236; 15 giugno 2012 alle 14:45, Sander Lepik ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But for that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you have to get the rpm manually from cauldron's repo.
+</I>&gt;<i> it's a noarch, and could be installed easily, but you
+</I>&gt;<i> will have a mga3 package in your mga1 or mga2 distro....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Angelo
+</I>Well, it's only the tag in name (mga3) that changes. Nothing else.
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+&gt;<i> 15.06.2012 17:59, Angelo Naselli kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> venerd&#236; 15 giugno 2012 alle 14:45, Sander Lepik ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But for that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you have to get the rpm manually from cauldron's repo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's a noarch, and could be installed easily, but you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will have a mga3 package in your mga1 or mga2 distro....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Angelo
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, it's only the tag in name (mga3) that changes. Nothing else.
+</I>
+In this case yes, but other folks who don't know the package might not
+know that and, buoyed by the success of installing this package may be
+tempted to install others which might not go so smoothly etc. etc.
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+Better to do it clearly if we can.
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+Cheers
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But for that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you have to get the rpm manually from cauldron's repo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it's a noarch, and could be installed easily, but you
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> will have a mga3 package in your mga1 or mga2 distro....
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Angelo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, it's only the tag in name (mga3) that changes. Nothing else.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In this case yes, but other folks who don't know the package might not
+</I>&gt;<i> know that and, buoyed by the success of installing this package may be
+</I>&gt;<i> tempted to install others which might not go so smoothly etc. etc.
+</I>
+Indeed
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+&gt;<i> Better to do it clearly if we can.
+</I>
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, it's only the tag in name (mga3) that changes. Nothing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> else.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In this case yes, but other folks who don't know the package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> might not know that and, buoyed by the success of installing this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package may be tempted to install others which might not go so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> smoothly etc. etc.
+</I>Yes that was exactly what i meant :)
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Better to do it clearly if we can.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Better clearly do it cleanly :-)
+</I>
+I backported by myself into mga1, and works, i will try it
+as well into mga2, but the right thing to do is that someone
+officially asks for it into bugzilla, then let's see what
+maintainer and our policy can do :)
+
+Angelo
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+    <B>Claire Robinson</B> 
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, it's only the tag in name (mga3) that changes. Nothing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> else.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In this case yes, but other folks who don't know the package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> might not know that and, buoyed by the success of installing this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package may be tempted to install others which might not go so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> smoothly etc. etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes that was exactly what i meant :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Better to do it clearly if we can.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Better clearly do it cleanly :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I backported by myself into mga1, and works, i will try it
+</I>&gt;<i> as well into mga2, but the right thing to do is that someone
+</I>&gt;<i> officially asks for it into bugzilla, then let's see what
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainer and our policy can do :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Angelo
+</I>
+Shouldn't this be a normal update to get-skype rather than a backport?
+
+Claire
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+&gt;<i> Shouldn't this be a normal update to get-skype rather than a backport?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Claire
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+</I>So long there is no reason to do that. 2.0.0.35 is still available and has no know secuirty
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+Il 15/06/2012 19:56, Sander Lepik ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> 15.06.2012 20:43, Claire Robinson kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Shouldn't this be a normal update to get-skype rather than a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backport?
+</I>
+That's why i said what maintainer and our policy can do :D
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+&gt;<i> So long there is no reason to do that. 2.0.0.35 is still available
+</I>&gt;<i> and has no know secuirty issues.
+</I>But it's also a proprietary sofware in which we are not always able to
+know that...
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I think this would be worth a backport to mga2 -  a lot of people will look
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for it and most don't have a clue how to get stuff from Cauldron and that
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+</I>&gt;<i> Backports are not open yet, they should be soon, at the end of our discussion,
+</I>&gt;<i> next meeting i hope...
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+As skype 2.x was a beta release, I think we should submit 4.x in 
+update_testing for 1 and 2.
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+&gt;<i> Le 15/06/2012 16:57, Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think this would be worth a backport to mga2 -  a lot of people will look
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for it and most don't have a clue how to get stuff from Cauldron and that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it is safe to do so (mixing Cauldron and stable being bad idea in general).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Backports are not open yet, they should be soon, at the end of our discussion,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> next meeting i hope...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As skype 2.x was a beta release, I think we should submit 4.x in update_testing for 1 and 2.
+</I>I'll test it a bit longer to see if it's really better than the previous version. So long i
+can tell that it's using quite a lot more memory.
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> I have run liveusb-creator and it does not detect the usb stick, no
+</I>&gt;<i> matter if i unplug and plug the usb stick it continues without being
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+</I>&gt;<i> The same problem also happens in unetbootin, so currently in Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> there is no application providing a GUI to burn .iso images into usb
+</I>&gt;<i> discs.
+</I>
+<A HREF="https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer">https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer</A>
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+&gt;<i> For Mageia 2, I'd like to:
+</I>&gt;<i> - get my act together and fix a bunch of bugs (a lot of wrong
+</I>&gt;<i>   suggests/requires, resulting in bugs&amp;crashers)
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide GNOME 3.4.2 as update
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> But this concerns loads and loads of packages.
+</I>[...]
+Do you have any ETA for this update ?
+Just to avoid killing our QA before pushing kde here (4.8.4 for mga2 is 
+waiting on svn :p ) 
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 12 juin 2012 13:01:28 Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For Mageia 2, I'd like to:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - get my act together and fix a bunch of bugs (a lot of wrong
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    suggests/requires, resulting in bugs&amp;crashers)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide GNOME 3.4.2 as update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But this concerns loads and loads of packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have any ETA for this update ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Just to avoid killing our QA before pushing kde here (4.8.4 for mga2 is
+</I>&gt;<i> waiting on svn :p )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+At the QA meeting last night we agreed that one bug would be OK for this 
+Olav.
+
+We'd ask that you detail any packages which have had requires/suggests 
+changed so we can check against bug 2317 and also a complete checklist 
+of bugs fixes etc in the advisory.
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+There is an example advisory here:
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Example_update_advisory_announcement">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Example_update_advisory_announcement</A>
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+&gt;<i> 2012/6/16 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have run liveusb-creator and it does not detect the usb stick, no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> matter if i unplug and plug the usb stick it continues without being
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> detected.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The same problem also happens in unetbootin, so currently in Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there is no application providing a GUI to burn .iso images into usb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> discs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer">https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> There're reports that it may damage disk drive, but it works for me.
+</I>
+Thats a win32 application.
+In Mageia theres no package installing a working GUI to burn iso
+images in USB sticks.
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+Currently there are security updates needed for three python packages that I'm aware of.
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+The python package itself:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843</A>
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162</A>
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+    <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 16 juin 2012 15:14, &quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As some of you may know, one of the developers left the project that was
+</I>the maintainer of the python package, as well as many other python modules
+and python-based software packages.  We need someone new to step up and
+maintain, at the very least, python, as it's a critical package.  Help with
+the other orphaned packages would be great as well.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently there are security updates needed for three python packages
+</I>that I'm aware of.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The python package itself:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> python-django, a module used by transifex (used by translators I think):
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gajim, a Jabber IM client (needs updated to version 0.15):
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432</A>
+</I>
+I can take a look for this last, in the afternoon.
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+    <I>Sat Jun 16 15:44:32 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Am 16.06.2012 15:18, schrieb Sandro CAZZANIGA:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 16 juin 2012 15:14, &quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; As some of you may know, one of the developers left the project that
+</I>&gt;<i> was the maintainer of the python package, as well as many other python
+</I>&gt;<i> modules and python-based software packages.  We need someone new to step
+</I>&gt;<i> up and maintain, at the very least, python, as it's a critical package.
+</I>&gt;<i>   Help with the other orphaned packages would be great as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; Currently there are security updates needed for three python packages
+</I>&gt;<i> that I'm aware of.
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; The python package itself:
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; python-django, a module used by transifex (used by translators I think):
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; gajim, a Jabber IM client (needs updated to version 0.15):
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can take a look for this last, in the afternoon.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ican help on python. But only if others come along. Since we do not have 
+group maintainership, I could take python officially and we could create 
+an inofficial group for it.
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+Oliver
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+    <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B> 
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 16 juin 2012 15:14, &quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit&#160;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As some of you may know, one of the developers left the project that was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the maintainer of the python package, as well as many other python modules
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and python-based software packages. &#160;We need someone new to step up and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintain, at the very least, python, as it's a critical package. &#160;Help with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the other orphaned packages would be great as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Currently there are security updates needed for three python packages that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm aware of.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The python package itself:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> python-django, a module used by transifex (used by translators I think):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gajim, a Jabber IM client (needs updated to version 0.15):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can take a look for this last, in the afternoon.
+</I>
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+I'm currently working on gajim, I take care of it :)
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+&#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/6/16 Sandro CAZZANIGA &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 16 juin 2012 15:14, &quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As some of you may know, one of the developers left the project that
+</I>was
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the maintainer of the python package, as well as many other python
+</I>modules
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and python-based software packages.  We need someone new to step up and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; maintain, at the very least, python, as it's a critical package.  Help
+</I>with
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the other orphaned packages would be great as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Currently there are security updates needed for three python packages
+</I>that
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm aware of.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The python package itself:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; python-django, a module used by transifex (used by translators I
+</I>think):
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; gajim, a Jabber IM client (needs updated to version 0.15):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I can take a look for this last, in the afternoon.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm currently working on gajim, I take care of it :)
+</I>
+I've sent gajim-0.15 in cauldron, as I said on bugzilla.
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+    <B>R&#233;mi Verschelde</B> 
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+</I>&gt;<i> Thats a win32 application.
+</I>&gt;<i> In Mageia theres no package installing a working GUI to burn iso
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+</I>
+Both liveusb-creator and unetbootin detect my USB stick when I plug
+it, in Mageia 2. So your issue is probably not related to these
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+Is your USB stick detected by the system?
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+&gt;<i> 2012/6/16 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thats a win32 application.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In Mageia theres no package installing a working GUI to burn iso
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> images in USB sticks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Both liveusb-creator and unetbootin detect my USB stick when I plug
+</I>&gt;<i> it, in Mageia 2. So your issue is probably not related to these
+</I>&gt;<i> software.
+</I>&gt;<i> Is your USB stick detected by the system?
+</I>
+The usb stick is detected in kde panel (device notification), so
+appears in dolphin.
+But liveusb-creator and unetbootin continue not detecting it, and this
+doesnt happen only with me, but at least with more 3 users, and 2  are
+using Mageia 2.
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+I tried Skype 4.0 and it didn't work until I did:
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+until doing that, it crashed on startup (SIGABRT)
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+&gt;<i> blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Functioning as an update, it would only replace already installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backports, once the tools are appropriately adjusted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are a couple of ways to do that.  The simplest that I can think
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of is to split &quot;backports&quot; into &quot;backports&quot; and &quot;backports update&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Allow cherry picking from &quot;backports&quot; and apply &quot;backports update&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> automatically.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was thinking of cases where the user chooses to &quot;update&quot; their
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> system.  New versions of backports already installed would be presented
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as updates, along with those from the update repos.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just as we don't have any update-update repos, it wouldn't make sense to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> have backport-update repos either.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It depends on how you look at it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you consider non-free, tainted, and backport to be optional
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and any update package to be highly recommended if and only if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the corresponding package is already installed.  Then is does
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not matter if the old package is a tainted.rpm, nonfree.rpm,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bp.rpm, or an ordinary rpm.  Just one way to look at it, not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the only way.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;<i> But how is it possible to distinguish a priori between a backport which
+</I>&gt;<i> will be an update and one which will be a &quot;new&quot; backport on a users'
+</I>&gt;<i> system.  It would only be an &quot;update&quot; if the user has already installed
+</I>&gt;<i> the corresponding backport on their system.
+</I>
+If the rpm is tagged, either internally or just by having &quot;bp&quot; in 
+the file name you can tell if it is a backport.  If a new package 
+has the same name - including the &quot;bp&quot; part - but a higher version 
+number, install it, else, just list it as available.  Or they could 
+be kept in different places.  
+
+&gt;<i> If the fact it is a backport is ignored, then every backport would be,
+</I>&gt;<i> by definition, an update.  Even packages newly imported to Mageia.
+</I>
+???  
+
+I meant that the logic for dealing with a bp-update would be the 
+same as for nonfree-update and tainted-update (and I suspect, 
+update itself).  Re-use existing code.  
+
+&gt;<i> To me, a &quot;corresponding&quot; package is one from the same category,
+</I>&gt;<i> according to whether is is backport or not, and according to whether in
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;core&quot;, &quot;nonfree&quot;, or &quot;tainted&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> To consider otherwise is to deny the importance of these categories.
+</I>
+Catagories multiply here, not add, you have listed six, not four.  
+
+&gt;<i> Backports are considered separately because they are much more at risk
+</I>&gt;<i> to not function properly, since they weren't tested with the rest of the
+</I>&gt;<i> release, being added afterwards.  So we have to be much more careful
+</I>&gt;<i> about adding them.  The last thing we want is for the backports to be
+</I>&gt;<i> included automatically with updates, even if the user had not already
+</I>&gt;<i> decided to install the corresponding backport.  Installing a backport
+</I>&gt;<i> should be an exceptional, explicitly decided activity -- except when the
+</I>&gt;<i> user has already decided to install the corresponding backport, when it
+</I>&gt;<i> is useful to present newer versions as updates.  They are likely
+</I>&gt;<i> security or bug fixes.
+</I>
+I think that we are in agreement.  
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+    <B>Simple w</B> 
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+I have been running arist-gtk to encode video and almost all presets
+fail because it needs gstreamer-faac, please see the output:
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+]$ arista-gtk
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+** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+'GMountMountFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+
+** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+'GDriveStartFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+
+** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+'GSocketMsgFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GstObject)
+arista.presets [435]: INFO Attempting to install elements: faac
+** Message: PackageKit: xid = 0
+** Message: PackageKit: Codec nice name: Elemento &quot;faac&quot; do GStreamer
+** Message: PackageKit: structure: gstreamer0.10(element-faac)()(64bit)
+** Message: PackageKit: Did not install codec: Message did not receive
+a reply (timeout by message bus)
+arista.presets [444]: ERROR Unable to install required elements!
+
+Found only 1 preset working so far in arista, seams it uses
+gstreamer-faac in almost all presets...
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 08/06/12 13:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The new openssl causes Handshake timeouts for me on some connections.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> e.g. in xchat connecting to an ircd-hybrid SSL server.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can't find any specific reference, but reverting to the mga2 version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> solves the problems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems apache is also suffering...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Core was generated by `/usr/sbin/httpd -k start'.
+</I>&gt;<i> Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
+</I>&gt;<i> #0 &#160;0x0000003fca244310 in SSL_CTX_ctrl () from /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> (gdb) p
+</I>&gt;<i> The history is empty.
+</I>&gt;<i> (gdb) bt
+</I>&gt;<i> #0 &#160;0x0000003fca244310 in SSL_CTX_ctrl () from /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> #1 &#160;0x00007fb02ad98e5a in ?? () from /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so
+</I>&gt;<i> #2 &#160;0x00007fb02ad9c01f in ?? () from /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so
+</I>&gt;<i> #3 &#160;0x0000003fca234142 in ssl_check_clienthello_tlsext () from
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> #4 &#160;0x0000003fca21e06a in ssl3_get_client_hello () from
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> #5 &#160;0x0000003fca222c25 in ssl3_accept () from /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> #6 &#160;0x0000003fca230640 in ssl23_accept () from /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> #7 &#160;0x00007fb02ad97218 in ?? () from /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so
+</I>&gt;<i> #8 &#160;0x00007fb02ad97810 in ?? () from /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so
+</I>&gt;<i> #9 &#160;0x000000000042b7b5 in ap_rgetline_core ()
+</I>&gt;<i> #10 0x000000000042dbde in ap_read_request ()
+</I>&gt;<i> #11 0x0000000000448f80 in ?? ()
+</I>&gt;<i> #12 0x0000000000444218 in ap_run_process_connection ()
+</I>&gt;<i> #13 0x000000000045170f in ?? ()
+</I>&gt;<i> #14 0x0000000000451f7c in ?? ()
+</I>&gt;<i> #15 0x0000000000452b4a in ap_mpm_run ()
+</I>&gt;<i> #16 0x0000000000424428 in main ()
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As with xchat, a rebuild seems to fix it. Submitted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+Im also having problems when svn co from some svn repos, i was trying
+to checkout kvirc irc client and i got this:
+
+]$ svn co <A HREF="https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc">https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc</A>
+svn: E175002: Unable to connect to a repository at URL
+'<A HREF="https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc">https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc</A>'
+svn: E175002: OPTIONS de '<A HREF="https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc">https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc</A>': SSL
+handshake failed: SSL disabled due to library version mismatch
+(<A HREF="https://svn.kvirc.de">https://svn.kvirc.de</A>)
+
+Does subversion also needs to be rebuild?
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi Simple W,
+
+On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 06:12:39 +0100
+Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/11 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 08/06/12 13:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The new openssl causes Handshake timeouts for me on some connections.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; e.g. in xchat connecting to an ircd-hybrid SSL server.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Can't find any specific reference, but reverting to the mga2 version
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; solves the problems.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Seems apache is also suffering...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Core was generated by `/usr/sbin/httpd -k start'.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #0 &#160;0x0000003fca244310 in SSL_CTX_ctrl () from /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (gdb) p
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The history is empty.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (gdb) bt
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #0 &#160;0x0000003fca244310 in SSL_CTX_ctrl () from /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #1 &#160;0x00007fb02ad98e5a in ?? () from /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #2 &#160;0x00007fb02ad9c01f in ?? () from /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #3 &#160;0x0000003fca234142 in ssl_check_clienthello_tlsext () from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #4 &#160;0x0000003fca21e06a in ssl3_get_client_hello () from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #5 &#160;0x0000003fca222c25 in ssl3_accept () from /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #6 &#160;0x0000003fca230640 in ssl23_accept () from /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #7 &#160;0x00007fb02ad97218 in ?? () from /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #8 &#160;0x00007fb02ad97810 in ?? () from /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ssl.so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #9 &#160;0x000000000042b7b5 in ap_rgetline_core ()
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #10 0x000000000042dbde in ap_read_request ()
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #11 0x0000000000448f80 in ?? ()
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #12 0x0000000000444218 in ap_run_process_connection ()
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #13 0x000000000045170f in ?? ()
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #14 0x0000000000451f7c in ?? ()
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #15 0x0000000000452b4a in ap_mpm_run ()
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #16 0x0000000000424428 in main ()
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As with xchat, a rebuild seems to fix it. Submitted.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Col
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Im also having problems when svn co from some svn repos, i was trying
+</I>&gt;<i> to checkout kvirc irc client and i got this:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> ]$ svn co <A HREF="https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc">https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> svn: E175002: Unable to connect to a repository at URL
+</I>&gt;<i> '<A HREF="https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc">https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc</A>'
+</I>&gt;<i> svn: E175002: OPTIONS de '<A HREF="https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc">https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc</A>': SSL
+</I>&gt;<i> handshake failed: SSL disabled due to library version mismatch
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="https://svn.kvirc.de">https://svn.kvirc.de</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Does subversion also needs to be rebuild?
+</I>
+No, I tried that, and it didn't help because the problem is with libneon, whose
+tests fail with the new openssl and so cannot be rebuilt. 
+
+To use Subversion, follow the instructions I have given here:
+
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016405.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016405.html</A>
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+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish
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+    <B>blind Pete</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 15 Jun 2012, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to prepare Mageia packages for more UNIX fortune cookies'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> collections (see the fortune-mod program and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/">http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/</A> ), but I'm wondering when it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is acceptable to package them and when it wouldn't be, given that fortune
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> files often contain texts and quotes from heterogeneous sources, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> licensed under various licences (including &quot;All-Rights-Reserved&quot; ones).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For example, can I package the collection here -
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/">http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/</A> - which is by me and which its
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blanket licence is the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike licence
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (CC-by-sa), but which contains text by many authors and under many
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> licences?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it is almost the same as wikiquote :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Copyrights">http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Copyrights</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Most countries have laws that allows publishing short quotes of
+</I>&gt;<i> copyrighed work. So if done within limits, it should be ok.
+</I>
+What most countries allow is not important.  What matters is the 
+law in the county (or countries) where you have a presence.  
+
+&gt;<i> Maybe we can use the same limits as wikiquote :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Limits_on_quotations">http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Limits_on_quotations</A>
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+&gt;<i> blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 20:20:54, David W. Hodgins a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:22:41 -0400, Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think you missed my point. If Mageia 1 &quot;backports&quot; has higher
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> versions than Mageia 2 &quot;release&quot; (not backports), upgrade can fail
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because currently our tools do not take backports from the target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> release (mageia 2) into account when upgrading a distro.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>              
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In the upgrade from Mandriva 2010.2 to Mageia 1, it was made clear,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upgrading from a system with 2010.2 Backports was not supported.  It
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> may work, but was not recommended.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should keep the same policy for the upgrade from Mageia 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I.E.  Don't use backports if you are planning on later doing an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upgrade, rather then a clean install.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That way, Mageia 1 users who want firefox 13 can get it, without us
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> having to replace the Mageia 2 iso images with an upgraded installer,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that will keep backports enabled for 2, if it was enabled for 1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Current tools will correctly update backports much of the time.  (From
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> my experience.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The tools just need to be reworked somewhat to ensure that backports are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updated correctly all of the time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Again, this is not the policy we adopted. When we defined the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backports policy (together, although it seems most people are just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> discovering it now) we said that we didn't want to have backports that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> don't work, break a system, or prevent upgrade.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, I think that for DVD upgrade without internet access this is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a sensible option. But the upgrader should detect the situation
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> itself, not hope that the user will read somewhere in the release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> notes that it's not supported.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No, just include Cauldron's backport repositories (disabled by default)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> inside the DVD iso.  Upgrade to the release version, if possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If that is not possible, upgrade to the version in backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cauldron's backport repos will always be empty.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you introduce a new package, or a new version of an existing package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to Cauldron, it is not, by definition, a backport.  Even though the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version (not counting the revision) may be a backport for previous
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> releases.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> By definition you are completely correct, but I was deliberatly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bending the definition to cover beta software.  Or at least to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> draw a distinction between an Extended Support Release package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and a standard package.  A new name would make sense here.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> They would have different names (if generally only the version included
+</I>&gt;<i> in one).
+</I>&gt;<i> Since a backport can only have one name, it would correspond to only one
+</I>&gt;<i> of the packages.  Presumably that with the same (or closest) version.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So if we do a release update to the latest release, backports will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> replaced by regular packages except in those cases where a newer version
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> has been introduced into Cauldron.  And if we update to Cauldron, all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backports will be replaced by regular packages -- according to our
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backport policy.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some packages annoyingly have two current versions.  When that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> happens it seems perfectly reasonable to just pick one, but if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anyone is ambitious enough to try two at once, this would be a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mechanism to handle it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't see how backport repos are related.
+</I>&gt;<i> To be installed simultaneously, they would have to install to different
+</I>&gt;<i> locations, which is generally not the case.  There is more than one
+</I>&gt;<i> version of Postgresql available, for example, but they conflict and so
+</I>&gt;<i> can't be installed at the same time.
+</I>
+Not installed simultaneously, but exist simultaneously.  
+Firefox and Chromium-browser are the bad examples that spring to mind.  
+
+$urpmq -Y chromium-browser- | sort | uniq
+chromium-browser
+chromium-browser-beta
+chromium-browser-stable
+chromium-browser-unstable
+$urpmq -ia chromium-browser- | grep Version | sort | uniq
+    $MIRRORLIST: media/core/updates/media_info/20120610-144059-info.xml.lzma
+Version     : 12.0.742.53
+Version     : 13.0.761.0
+Version     : 18.0.1025.168
+$
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+blind Pete
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+&gt;<i> marted&#236; 12 giugno 2012 alle 08:25, blind Pete ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some packages annoyingly have two current versions.  When that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> happens it seems perfectly reasonable to just pick one, but if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anyone is ambitious enough to try two at once, this would be a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mechanism to handle it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you serious? Here it's not only a pakcage issue, what you're
+</I>&gt;<i> proposing to change package contents :/
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> foo-1.0.mga1 - (core)      -&gt; /bin/foo
+</I>&gt;<i> foo-1.2.mga1 - (backports) -&gt; /bin/foo
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> they can't be installed togheter, and changing
+</I>&gt;<i> package names would not solve this issue, but
+</I>&gt;<i> add packagers problems like conflict or obsoleting
+</I>&gt;<i> and upgradability issues....
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> /me is confused
+</I>
+FireFox is availible in an Extended Support Release version, a standard 
+version, a beta version and Aurora.  
+
+I was suggesting ESR in Core and, if anyone wants to do the work, 
+standard in BackPorts.  
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have been running arist-gtk to encode video and almost all presets
+</I>&gt;<i> fail because it needs gstreamer-faac, please see the output:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ]$ arista-gtk
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;<i> 'GMountMountFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;<i> 'GDriveStartFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;<i> 'GSocketMsgFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;<i> ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GstObject)
+</I>&gt;<i> arista.presets [435]: INFO Attempting to install elements: faac
+</I>&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: xid = 0
+</I>&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: Codec nice name: Elemento &quot;faac&quot; do GStreamer
+</I>&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: structure: gstreamer0.10(element-faac)()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: Did not install codec: Message did not receive
+</I>&gt;<i> a reply (timeout by message bus)
+</I>&gt;<i> arista.presets [444]: ERROR Unable to install required elements!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Found only 1 preset working so far in arista, seams it uses
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer-faac in almost all presets...
+</I>
+Did you install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad ?
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+conclusion of not importing it because of its license.
+
+2012/6/17 R&#233;mi Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">remi at verschelde.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/17 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have been running arist-gtk to encode video and almost all presets
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fail because it needs gstreamer-faac, please see the output:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ]$ arista-gtk
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'GMountMountFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'GDriveStartFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'GSocketMsgFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GstObject)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> arista.presets [435]: INFO Attempting to install elements: faac
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: xid = 0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: Codec nice name: Elemento &quot;faac&quot; do GStreamer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: structure: gstreamer0.10(element-faac)()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: Did not install codec: Message did not receive
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a reply (timeout by message bus)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> arista.presets [444]: ERROR Unable to install required elements!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Found only 1 preset working so far in arista, seams it uses
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer-faac in almost all presets...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad ?
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+    <B>Philippe DIDIER</B> 
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+<PRE>R&#233;mi Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/17 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have been running arist-gtk to encode video and almost all presets
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fail because it needs gstreamer-faac, please see the output:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ]$ arista-gtk
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'GMountMountFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'GDriveStartFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'GSocketMsgFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GstObject)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> arista.presets [435]: INFO Attempting to install elements: faac
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: xid = 0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: Codec nice name: Elemento &quot;faac&quot; do GStreamer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: structure: gstreamer0.10(element-faac)()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: Did not install codec: Message did not receive
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a reply (timeout by message bus)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> arista.presets [444]: ERROR Unable to install required elements!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Found only 1 preset working so far in arista, seams it uses
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer-faac in almost all presets...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>It is an old problem :
+
+faac libfaac and libfaac-devel are not provided by Mageia ...
+They should be in tainted but contain a part of code that is not
+strictly GPL :
+everything is GPL but there's a 1997 copyright for
+a little part of the initial ISO MPEG4 reference code of FAAC
+
+so no faac and no rpm build with faac for vlc gstreamer ffmpeg
+libquicktime, no handbrake no cinerrela etc...
+
+There was a discuss in september 21 2011 about creating a repo
+&quot;nonfree-tainted&quot; for faac and faac built rpms... but it was decided to wait
+
+see bug 1730
+
+search for all bugs in bugzilla with the word faac
+
+What to do to obtain that Mageia provide faac so we are able to create
+mp4 files that are standard now for internet!
+(Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu, Mandriva etc... provide faac and faac
+built versions of VLC ffmpeg mencoder cinerella handbrake etc...)
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+since nowhere is specified where to report bug for urpmi-proxy, i'll
+send a mail to the list.
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+i always get 404 errors when trying to fetch a file. my tests are
+performed with the following command:
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+    $ wget -O- <A HREF="http://127.0.0.1/mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info/MD5SUM">http://127.0.0.1/mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info/MD5SUM</A> 
+    --2012-06-17 13:18:00-- <A HREF="http://127.0.0.1/mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info/MD5SUM">http://127.0.0.1/mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info/MD5SUM</A>
+    Connexion vers 127.0.0.1:80...connect&#233;.
+    requ&#234;te HTTP transmise, en attente de la r&#233;ponse...404 Not Found
+    2012-06-17 13:18:00 ERREUR 404: Not Found.
+
+
+here is my config file, trimmed to show only active lines:
+
+    # perl -nE 'print unless /^($|#)/' /etc/urpmi-proxy.conf
+    $sources = [
+            '<A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia</A>',
+    ];
+    $debug = 1;
+
+
+first, setting $debug = 1 doesn't make urpmi-proxy debug logs to go in
+/var/log/httpd/error_log. it would be wise to have all debug go
+somewhere else, either in messages or even in a private urpmi-proxy log
+file.
+
+so, i've used some printing to tmp file to get some more information.
+and i found that at line 310, urpmi-proxy is using $source . $file as
+the url of the file to fetch with curl. however, printing this source
+shows the following url:
+
+    <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info/MD5SUM">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info/MD5SUM</A>
+
+==&gt; definitely a problem, hence a 404.
+
+regards,
+j&#233;r&#244;me 
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+&gt;<i> hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> since nowhere is specified where to report bug for urpmi-proxy, i'll
+</I>&gt;<i> send a mail to the list.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i always get 404 errors when trying to fetch a file. my tests are
+</I>&gt;<i> performed with the following command:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>     $ wget -O-
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://127.0.0.1/mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info">http://127.0.0.1/mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> /MD5SUM --2012-06-17 13:18:00--
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://127.0.0.1/mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info">http://127.0.0.1/mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> /MD5SUM Connexion vers 127.0.0.1:80...connect&#233;.
+</I>&gt;<i>     requ&#234;te HTTP transmise, en attente de la r&#233;ponse...404 Not Found
+</I>&gt;<i>     2012-06-17 13:18:00 ERREUR 404: Not Found.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> here is my config file, trimmed to show only active lines:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>     # perl -nE 'print unless /^($|#)/' /etc/urpmi-proxy.conf
+</I>&gt;<i>     $sources = [
+</I>&gt;<i>             '<A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia</A>',
+</I>&gt;<i>     ];
+</I>&gt;<i>     $debug = 1;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> first, setting $debug = 1 doesn't make urpmi-proxy debug logs to go in
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/log/httpd/error_log. it would be wise to have all debug go
+</I>&gt;<i> somewhere else, either in messages or even in a private urpmi-proxy log
+</I>&gt;<i> file.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> so, i've used some printing to tmp file to get some more information.
+</I>&gt;<i> and i found that at line 310, urpmi-proxy is using $source . $file as
+</I>&gt;<i> the url of the file to fetch with curl. however, printing this source
+</I>&gt;<i> shows the following url:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/i58">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/i58</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 6/media/core/release/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info/MD5
+</I>&gt;<i> SUM
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> ==&gt; definitely a problem, hence a 404.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> j&#233;r&#244;me
+</I>
+you can make a bug report on bugs.mageia.org though, np about that.
+
+$debug =1 should have your logs into wherever apache logs, though.
+
+since i've used it dozens of times on various platforms (except for cauldron), 
+i think maybe there's something wrong.
+
+you are using apache? on mga1 or mga2? or another distro? are you using 
+mod_php or fcgi? i didn't test with fcgi though...
+
+can you look into this a bit more? i'd like to find out where all this 
+strangeness comes from.
+
+the debug logs are just error_log() calls, so...
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+&gt;<i> 2012/6/17 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have been running arist-gtk to encode video and almost all presets
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fail because it needs gstreamer-faac, please see the output:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ]$ arista-gtk
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'GMountMountFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'GDriveStartFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'GSocketMsgFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GstObject)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> arista.presets [435]: INFO Attempting to install elements: faac
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: xid = 0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: Codec nice name: Elemento &quot;faac&quot; do GStreamer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: structure: gstreamer0.10(element-faac)()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: Did not install codec: Message did not receive
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a reply (timeout by message bus)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> arista.presets [444]: ERROR Unable to install required elements!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Found only 1 preset working so far in arista, seams it uses
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer-faac in almost all presets...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad ?
+</I>
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+I am going into trouble and need some help in compiling mpi support for 
+fftw3. Checkout my failure logs:
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+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120617165035.eatdirt.valstar.1249/log/botcmd.1339951835.jonund.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120617165035.eatdirt.valstar.1249/log/botcmd.1339951835.jonund.log</A>
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+That's during the test section, &quot;make check&quot; run various calculations 
+using the freshly compiled library, and fails when using &quot;mpirun&quot; from 
+openmpi. Locally, everything works fine, the tests are passed without 
+problem.
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+I found this thread on debian claiming that openmpi fails under chroot; 
+might it be possible that we have similar pbs with iurt on the build 
+servers?
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+<A HREF="http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2012/03/msg00004.html">http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2012/03/msg00004.html</A>
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+As a temporary solution, I have disabled the checks, but better to have 
+them as the library is quite used in other packages. Any help welcome!
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+&gt;<i> Op zondag 17 juni 2012 13:18:57 schreef Jerome Quelin:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; first, setting $debug = 1 doesn't make urpmi-proxy debug logs to go in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /var/log/httpd/error_log. it would be wise to have all debug go
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; somewhere else, either in messages or even in a private urpmi-proxy log
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; file.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so, i've used some printing to tmp file to get some more information.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and i found that at line 310, urpmi-proxy is using $source . $file as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the url of the file to fetch with curl. however, printing this source
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; shows the following url:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/i5">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/i5</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 8
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 6/media/core/release/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info/M
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; D5 SUM
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ==&gt; definitely a problem, hence a 404.
+</I>[...]
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+that shouldn't be true, it should be
+$file = '/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info/MD5SUM';
+$source = '<A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia</A>';
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+why there is a extra /distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release is a bit of a 
+mystery here...
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+but the fact that your debug logging isn't appearing in the apache error logs 
+is even weirder...
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+of course, you're a perl wizard, so you likely know more about this than 
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+    <B>Simple w</B> 
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+unable to install lib64tiger-devel, the output:
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+]$ LC_ALL=C sudo urpmi --noclean -v lib64tiger-devel
+getting lock on urpmi
+using mirror <A HREF="http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64">http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64</A>
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.core media.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/cauldron32:local/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/cauldron:local/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core Release
+(distrib1)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree Release
+(distrib11)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Tainted Release
+(distrib21)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit Release
+(distrib31)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+getting exclusive lock on rpm
+found package(s): lib64tiger-devel-0.3.4-3.mga2.x86_64
+The following package cannot be installed because it depends on packages
+that are older than the installed ones:
+lib64tiger-devel-0.3.4-3.mga2
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+unlocking urpmi database
+unlocking rpm database
+While some packages may have been installed, there were failures.
+The following package cannot be installed because it depends on packages
+that are older than the installed ones:
+lib64tiger-devel-0.3.4-3.mga2
+Continue installation anyway?
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+    <B>Jani V&#228;limaa</B> 
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+<PRE>On 17.06.2012 21:38, Simple w wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> unable to install lib64tiger-devel, the output:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> ]$ LC_ALL=C sudo urpmi --noclean -v lib64tiger-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> getting lock on urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> using mirror <A HREF="http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64">http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.core media.cz]
+</I>&gt;<i> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/cauldron32:local/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+</I>&gt;<i> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/cauldron:local/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+</I>&gt;<i> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core Release
+</I>&gt;<i> (distrib1)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+</I>&gt;<i> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree Release
+</I>&gt;<i> (distrib11)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+</I>&gt;<i> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Tainted Release
+</I>&gt;<i> (distrib21)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+</I>&gt;<i> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit Release
+</I>&gt;<i> (distrib31)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+</I>&gt;<i> getting exclusive lock on rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> found package(s): lib64tiger-devel-0.3.4-3.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> The following package cannot be installed because it depends on packages
+</I>&gt;<i> that are older than the installed ones:
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64tiger-devel-0.3.4-3.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;<i> unlocking urpmi database
+</I>&gt;<i> unlocking rpm database
+</I>&gt;<i> While some packages may have been installed, there were failures.
+</I>&gt;<i> The following package cannot be installed because it depends on packages
+</I>&gt;<i> that are older than the installed ones:
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64tiger-devel-0.3.4-3.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Can't reproduce. Do you have again some self-build pkg installed which
+prevents installation?
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+And please use urpmi with --debug, your previous urpmi output doesn't
+tell much..
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+On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:49:12 +0200
+Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> As discussed in meeting last week, a collaboration policy was needed to 
+</I>&gt;<i> make things clear and clean about reusing code/patches/artwork... from 
+</I>&gt;<i> other projects / distributions.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> As a result, Colin wrote one on the wiki:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please have a look on it. Any comments welcome until tomorrow evening.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I tried following the putsrpm example there with a package from SUSE and it
+failed with an error message:
+
+&lt;&lt;&lt;
+mgarepo putsrpm -m &quot;Import SUSE package&quot; ~/npapi-vlc-2.0.0-3.2.src.rpm 
+error: no such option: -m
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'm on Cauldron. So either mgarepo or the synposis in the policy should be
+fixed.
+
+Regards,
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+	Shlomi Fish
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+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:49:12 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As discussed in meeting last week, a collaboration policy was needed to 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make things clear and clean about reusing code/patches/artwork... from 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other projects / distributions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As a result, Colin wrote one on the wiki:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please have a look on it. Any comments welcome until tomorrow evening.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried following the putsrpm example there with a package from SUSE and it
+</I>&gt;<i> failed with an error message:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;&lt;&lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo putsrpm -m &quot;Import SUSE package&quot; ~/npapi-vlc-2.0.0-3.2.src.rpm 
+</I>&gt;<i> error: no such option: -m
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+It's actually &quot;mgarepo putsrpm -l 'blah blah' foo.src.rpm&quot;. There's an
+error in mgarepo --help output and in the wiki page.
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, if we want to follow Colin's suggestion, we drop the patch.  The patch changes upstream behavior, and adds the extra usage of %exclude, 
+</I>which as Colin and I pointed out, you can just rm things in %install (or patch Makefiles) instead.
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> WE DON'T USE ANY PATCH FOR THIS AND WE USE UPSTREAM %EXCLUDE BEHAVIOUR
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+No need to yell.  I was misled.  We just removed this patch, which made our rpm's behavior the same as rpm5's, but not rpm.org's.  Removing the 
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+06.06.2012 21:50, shlomif kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> Name        : libbsd                       Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 0.3.0                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 4.mga3                        Build Date: Wed Jun  6 20:50:30 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group       : Development/C                 Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size        : 105088                           License: BSD and ISC and Copyright only and Public Domain
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/">http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary     : Library providing BSD-compatible functions for portability
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> libbsd provides useful functions commonly found on BSD systems, and
+</I>&gt;<i> lacking on others like GNU systems, thus making it easier to port
+</I>&gt;<i> projects with strong BSD origins, without needing to embed the same
+</I>&gt;<i> code over and over again on each project.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt; 0.3.0-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 256602
+</I>&gt;<i> - Correct the devel package Group
+</I>&gt;<i> - Correct the group
+</I>&gt;<i> - Bump the release
+</I>&gt;<i> - Fix the man pages globs
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>   + kamil &lt;kamil&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>     - imported package libbsd
+</I>
+We already have a libbsd.a from glibc. This package will cause software
+being linked with &quot;-lbsd&quot; to be linked against libbsd.so of libbsd
+package instead of libbsd.a of glibc.
+
+Why do we need this?
+
+We need to either rename or drop one of them (libbsd or libbsd.a from
+glibc), otherwise this will cause bad linking behavior.
+
+I raised this originally in my libbsd.spec review at
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-April/014102.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-April/014102.html</A>
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+I hope the other points in the above review have been addressed (haven't
+checked yet).
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+&gt;<i> (@shlomif, sorry for double post, I sent the previous one from an
+</I>&gt;<i> unsubscribed address)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 06.06.2012 21:50, shlomif kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: libbsd &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 0.3.0 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 4.mga3 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Wed Jun &#160;6 20:50:30 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Development/C &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 105088 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; License: BSD and ISC and Copyright only and Public Domain
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/">http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Library providing BSD-compatible functions for portability
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libbsd provides useful functions commonly found on BSD systems, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lacking on others like GNU systems, thus making it easier to port
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> projects with strong BSD origins, without needing to embed the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> code over and over again on each project.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt; 0.3.0-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 256602
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Correct the devel package Group
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Correct the group
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Bump the release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Fix the man pages globs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; + kamil &lt;kamil&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; - imported package libbsd
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We already have a libbsd.a from glibc. This package will cause software
+</I>&gt;<i> being linked with &quot;-lbsd&quot; to be linked against libbsd.so of libbsd
+</I>&gt;<i> package instead of libbsd.a of glibc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why do we need this?
+</I>
+Its needed for bumblebee.
+I remember you saying this when i asked you to review bumblebee
+packages and i explained you why was needed.
+
+&gt;<i> We need to either rename or drop one of them (libbsd or libbsd.a from
+</I>&gt;<i> glibc), otherwise this will cause bad linking behavior.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I raised this originally in my libbsd.spec review at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-April/014102.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-April/014102.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope the other points in the above review have been addressed (haven't
+</I>&gt;<i> checked yet).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 14/06/12 22:25 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Crediting patchs from others by only mentionning the source
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (i.e. Mandriva, Fedora, XBMC, ...) is not enough IMHO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we want to give proper credits, we should also mention the author of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the patch.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It doesn't say we don't give credit to the patch author.  It just says in our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package changelog (a.k.a. our SVN commit messages), you mention where you got
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the patch from, because at that level you want to be concise and that's a much
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more useful piece of information.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It says that we prefer to mention &quot;source&quot; over &quot;author&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's not good enough IMHO if we want to be ok with credits.
+</I>&gt;<i> The &quot;source&quot; is not the one retaining the copyright on a change, only
+</I>&gt;<i> the author owns this.
+</I>&gt;<i> And mentionning an author's name is the minimum reward when
+</I>&gt;<i> cherry-picking a change.
+</I>
+Well IMO, this is a trade off that relates to practical usefulness.
+
+The options for the commit message are:
+ 1. Mention the source
+ 2. Mention the author
+ 3. Mention both source+author
+
+IMO 3 is too verbose for package changelogs, but I agree it would be
+nice to be able to do this if it were made concise.
+
+I also think that 2 is not ideal as this would then make it harder to
+record the source. We'd either have to write a comment in the spec above
+the PatchNN: line or put something into the patch itself to indicate the
+source. This is typically a good idea anyway (I try to put any fedora
+patches etc. in their own little section of the spec). If patches are
+generated from git then you don't really want to add unmanaged extra
+info in the patch file as when it is regenerated, this information would
+be lost.
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+The opposite is not true - if option 1 were picked, then the author
+would typically be included already in the patch itself if it is a git
+formatted patch. I accept this is not always the case, so this isn't a
+fool-proof alternative.
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+So, in the end, I'm not against mentioning the author directly in commit
+messages, but I think it's somewhat impractical and thus it is my
+opinion that it should not be in the message.
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+It is, of course, open to discussion so further opinions on this topic
+are more than welcome.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 17/06/12 20:10 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> D.Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 3:23 PM, David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So, if we want to follow Colin's suggestion, we drop the patch.  The patch changes upstream behavior, and adds the extra usage of %exclude, 
+</I>&gt;<i> which as Colin and I pointed out, you can just rm things in %install (or patch Makefiles) instead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WE DON'T USE ANY PATCH FOR THIS AND WE USE UPSTREAM %EXCLUDE BEHAVIOUR
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> No need to yell.  I was misled.  We just removed this patch, which made our rpm's behavior the same as rpm5's, but not rpm.org's.  Removing the 
+</I>&gt;<i> patch matches us to that upstream.  Sorry for the noise :o(
+</I>
+Don't worry about the caps, I think the next line (which wasn't quoted)
+made it clear that this was a friendly shout :)
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+If there are issues that confuse people, it's worth mentioning it, so no
+need to apologise for the &quot;noise&quot; (I certainly don't consider it noise).
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+I've just submitted systemd v185 to updates_testing.
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+There are several important changes worth noting:
+ 1. &quot;systemd-sysvinit&quot; has been merged into the main &quot;systemd&quot; package
+thus effectively making systemd the only choice for booting.
+ 2. &quot;systemd&quot; package now contains systemd-udevd binary thus replacing
+the separate udev package (I see no reason to keep the binaries in
+separate packages).
+ 3. The libudev major number has been bumped so several packages will
+need rebuilt when this hits main, but so far I've only rebuilt lvm2 for
+updates_testing. This seems to be enough for basic testing (I have LVM
+here).
+ 4. Due to the new udevd path, dracut needed updating too. I've updated
+this and submitted to release (as it's backwards compatible). At a later
+date I'll update to latest dracut.
+
+Please ensure you are capable of restoring your system in the event of
+things messing up. This will mean booting and manually downgrading
+packages and reinstalling the older udev package.
+
+If all is well, this will go into cauldron at the end of the week.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 17/06/12 20:10 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> D.Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WE DON'T USE ANY PATCH FOR THIS AND WE USE UPSTREAM %EXCLUDE BEHAVIOUR
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No need to yell.  I was misled.  We just removed this patch, which made our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm's behavior the same as rpm5's, but not rpm.org's.  Removing the 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patch matches us to that upstream.  Sorry for the noise :o(
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't worry about the caps, I think the next line (which wasn't quoted)
+</I>&gt;<i> made it clear that this was a friendly shout :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If there are issues that confuse people, it's worth mentioning it, so no
+</I>&gt;<i> need to apologise for the &quot;noise&quot; (I certainly don't consider it noise).
+</I>
+Thanks Colin.  This thing still could be an issue, but I think the lesson is
+that upstream rpm.org would be the place to address it, not Mageia.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Why do we need this?
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+</I>&gt;<i> Its needed for bumblebee.
+</I>&gt;<i> I remember you saying this when i asked you to review bumblebee
+</I>&gt;<i> packages and i explained you why was needed.
+</I>Since when is 'we need it' a sufficient raison for ignoring technical 
+concerns ?
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+    <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've just submitted systemd v185 to updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are several important changes worth noting:
+</I>&gt;<i>   1. &quot;systemd-sysvinit&quot; has been merged into the main &quot;systemd&quot; package
+</I>&gt;<i> thus effectively making systemd the only choice for booting.
+</I>&gt;<i>   2. &quot;systemd&quot; package now contains systemd-udevd binary thus replacing
+</I>&gt;<i> the separate udev package (I see no reason to keep the binaries in
+</I>&gt;<i> separate packages).
+</I>&gt;<i>   3. The libudev major number has been bumped so several packages will
+</I>&gt;<i> need rebuilt when this hits main, but so far I've only rebuilt lvm2 for
+</I>&gt;<i> updates_testing. This seems to be enough for basic testing (I have LVM
+</I>&gt;<i> here).
+</I>&gt;<i>   4. Due to the new udevd path, dracut needed updating too. I've updated
+</I>&gt;<i> this and submitted to release (as it's backwards compatible). At a later
+</I>&gt;<i> date I'll update to latest dracut.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please ensure you are capable of restoring your system in the event of
+</I>&gt;<i> things messing up. This will mean booting and manually downgrading
+</I>&gt;<i> packages and reinstalling the older udev package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If all is well, this will go into cauldron at the end of the week.
+</I>
+It seems to work ok in my netbook, just two minor problems:
+
+- in install:
+    7/28: systemd               #############################################
+    /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.bM0Lmo: line 5: /usr/bin/systemctl: No such file or directory
+   in post-install, systemctl is already moved to /bin
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+- keyboard layout under Gnome got reset to English (from Spanish). Changed manually under
+   system settings and fine again.
+
+If I find anything more, I'll tell here...
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+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt;        \               Winter is coming...
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> &#160;+ dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- New version 184
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- Copy current for systemd/udev merge
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- Do not build the gtk UI anymore ( will be in an other rpm)
+</I>
+We need epoch as gudev version is actually smaller:
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+<PRE>On 18 June 2012 01:02, colin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> colin &lt;colin&gt; 185-0.1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 261372
+</I>&gt;<i> - Add BR for gobject-introspection-devel for gudev
+</I>&gt;<i> - Fix the blkid BR.
+</I>&gt;<i> - Add BR on util-linux (for blkid)
+</I>&gt;<i> - De-version the -devel packages as per policy
+</I>&gt;<i> - Move the systemd-sysvinit file into systemd main package.
+</I>&gt;<i> - Rename patches
+</I>&gt;<i> - Update to 185
+</I>&gt;<i> - Move files back to / for now (we will move to /usr but it requires more work and cannot test in isolation easily)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Apply upstream patches for udev libexecdir location
+</I>&gt;<i> - Drop NFS server patch (already done in main systemd package)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Replace oneshot timeout patch with upstream patch
+</I>
+You drop a needed provides:
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+installing libgudev1.0_0-185-0.1.mga3.i586.rpm from
+/mageia/unstable/i586/media/core/updates_testing
+Installation failed:    libgudev &gt;= 146 is needed by (installed)
+gudev-sharp-0.1-2.mga1.noarch
+While some packages may have been installed, there were failures.
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+    <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Lemonldap-ng's spec rewrite">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
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+<PRE>Hello guys,
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+I'm the maintainer of lemonldap-ng, and of the 4 cpan modules related
+to. In order to have a cleaned spec file, I want to totally rewrite
+it.
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+I've packaged the 4 perl modules separately of the main package. To
+allow my rewrite, I need a sysadmin to remove the following pkg from
+the repositories:
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+perl-Lemonldap-NG-Common
+perl-Lemonldap-NG-Handler
+perl-Lemonldap-NG-Manager
+perl-Lemonldap-NG-Portal
+
+This modules will be included in the main package, in this way we'll
+have a full-compatible spec with upstream and we'll be able to adapt
+our spec file when upstream will modify theirs.
+
+Thanks to sysadmin.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/updates_testing%0A%09systemd-185-0.1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C4FDEE11C.3090703%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"
+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing	systemd-185-0.1.mga3">mageia at colin.guthr.ie
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+    <I>Mon Jun 18 10:04:44 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 18/06/12 08:13 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 18 June 2012 01:02, colin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> colin &lt;colin&gt; 185-0.1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 261372
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Add BR for gobject-introspection-devel for gudev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Fix the blkid BR.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Add BR on util-linux (for blkid)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - De-version the -devel packages as per policy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Move the systemd-sysvinit file into systemd main package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Rename patches
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Update to 185
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Move files back to / for now (we will move to /usr but it requires more work and cannot test in isolation easily)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Apply upstream patches for udev libexecdir location
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Drop NFS server patch (already done in main systemd package)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Replace oneshot timeout patch with upstream patch
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You drop a needed provides:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> installing libgudev1.0_0-185-0.1.mga3.i586.rpm from
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/unstable/i586/media/core/updates_testing
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed:    libgudev &gt;= 146 is needed by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> gudev-sharp-0.1-2.mga1.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> While some packages may have been installed, there were failures.
+</I>
+I think this is actually the same underlying problem as the previous
+mail as I don't see any need for an epoch.
+
+I missed it on my system as I had the (old) 32 bit libgudev installed
+here so it satisfied the requirement.
+
+I've added the missing provide now.
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+    <I>Mon Jun 18 10:11:55 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 18/06/12 07:03 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 06/18/2012 01:15 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've just submitted systemd v185 to updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are several important changes worth noting:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   1. &quot;systemd-sysvinit&quot; has been merged into the main &quot;systemd&quot; package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thus effectively making systemd the only choice for booting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   2. &quot;systemd&quot; package now contains systemd-udevd binary thus replacing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the separate udev package (I see no reason to keep the binaries in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> separate packages).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   3. The libudev major number has been bumped so several packages will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> need rebuilt when this hits main, but so far I've only rebuilt lvm2 for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates_testing. This seems to be enough for basic testing (I have LVM
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   4. Due to the new udevd path, dracut needed updating too. I've updated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this and submitted to release (as it's backwards compatible). At a later
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> date I'll update to latest dracut.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please ensure you are capable of restoring your system in the event of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> things messing up. This will mean booting and manually downgrading
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages and reinstalling the older udev package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If all is well, this will go into cauldron at the end of the week.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems to work ok in my netbook, just two minor problems:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - in install:
+</I>&gt;<i>    7/28: systemd              
+</I>&gt;<i> #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i>    /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.bM0Lmo: line 5: /usr/bin/systemctl: No such file or
+</I>&gt;<i> directory
+</I>&gt;<i>   in post-install, systemctl is already moved to /bin
+</I>
+Ahh yes, this was me forgetting to revert a few paths. Dexter moved
+everything to /usr (which I support) but that requires a bigger change
+overall for other parts of the system which we'll need to plan a bit
+more holistically I think. It will come soon enough but I wanted to get
+this merged version in sooner rather than later.
+
+&gt;<i> - keyboard layout under Gnome got reset to English (from Spanish).
+</I>&gt;<i> Changed manually under
+</I>&gt;<i>   system settings and fine again.
+</I>
+Interesting. Does this new setting survive a reboot? Does the new
+mapping work at the system level (i.e. is the layout respected in GDM)?
+
+Do you have a /etc/vconsole.conf file?
+
+&gt;<i> If I find anything more, I'll tell here...
+</I>
+Many thanks :)
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C4FDEE33B.2020500%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 18/06/12 06:58 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 17/06/2012 22:44, Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Why do we need this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Its needed for bumblebee.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I remember you saying this when i asked you to review bumblebee
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages and i explained you why was needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> Since when is 'we need it' a sufficient raison for ignoring technical
+</I>&gt;<i> concerns ?
+</I>
+I think that's a little unfair. Simple is just commenting on the
+reasoning, not necessarily the technical correctness either way.
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+That said, the technical correctness can now be argued about
+appropriately :D
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+Col
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+<A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/cooker/man/current/SPECS/man.spec?r1=666363&amp;r2=791691">http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/cooker/man/current/SPECS/man.spec?r1=666363&amp;r2=791691</A>
+that Mdv did switch from the old flat text based man pages to the 
+berkley db based man-db.
+According to <A HREF="http://nongnu.org/man-db/">http://nongnu.org/man-db/</A> several larger distros did switch 
+some time ago as well.
+So what do you think, should we follow them as well? I have yet to 
+really look into it, but I wanted to ask for opinions first, so I won't 
+be spending my time on nothing.
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+Cheers,
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
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+<PRE>On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:18 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 17/06/12 20:10 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> D.Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 3:23 PM, David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So, if we want to follow Colin's suggestion, we drop the patch. &#160;The patch changes upstream behavior, and adds the extra usage of %exclude,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which as Colin and I pointed out, you can just rm things in %install (or patch Makefiles) instead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WE DON'T USE ANY PATCH FOR THIS AND WE USE UPSTREAM %EXCLUDE BEHAVIOUR
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No need to yell. &#160;I was misled. &#160;We just removed this patch, which made our rpm's behavior the same as rpm5's, but not rpm.org's. &#160;Removing the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patch matches us to that upstream. &#160;Sorry for the noise :o(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't worry about the caps, I think the next line (which wasn't quoted)
+</I>&gt;<i> made it clear that this was a friendly shout :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If there are issues that confuse people, it's worth mentioning it, so no
+</I>&gt;<i> need to apologise for the &quot;noise&quot; (I certainly don't consider it noise).
+</I>
+of course this was friendly, this &quot;always&quot; is :)
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+<PRE>On 18 June 2012 11:27,  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> update distro credit for mageia
+</I>
+(...)
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+&gt;<i> Modified: rpm/urpmi/trunk/urpme
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- rpm/urpmi/trunk/urpme	2012-06-17 20:41:09 UTC (rev 4977)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ rpm/urpmi/trunk/urpme	2012-06-18 09:27:09 UTC (rev 4978)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -40,6 +40,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>  sub usage() {
+</I>&gt;<i>      print N(&quot;urpme version %s
+</I>&gt;<i>  Copyright (C) 1999-2010 Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i> +Copyright (C) 2012 Mageia.
+</I>
+That would be &quot;2011-2012&quot; instead of &quot;2012&quot;
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+    <B>Simple w</B> 
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+<PRE>2012/6/17 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/17 R&#233;mi Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">remi at verschelde.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/17 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I have been running arist-gtk to encode video and almost all presets
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fail because it needs gstreamer-faac, please see the output:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ]$ arista-gtk
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'GMountMountFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'GDriveStartFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'GSocketMsgFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GstObject)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> arista.presets [435]: INFO Attempting to install elements: faac
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: xid = 0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: Codec nice name: Elemento &quot;faac&quot; do GStreamer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: structure: gstreamer0.10(element-faac)()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: Did not install codec: Message did not receive
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a reply (timeout by message bus)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> arista.presets [444]: ERROR Unable to install required elements!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Found only 1 preset working so far in arista, seams it uses
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer-faac in almost all presets...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Did you install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes
+</I>
+Packages like:
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+faac
+amrwb
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+couldnt exist in non-free repository?
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+I see that these packages for example in Fedora they exist in Rpm
+Fusion <A HREF="http://rpmfusion.org/">http://rpmfusion.org/</A>
+Seams to be a repository for packages with license &quot;issues&quot;.
+
+Can this be reviewed in Mageia?
+Currently users are limited to handle video codifications and they
+dont have any option to install faac and amrwb.
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello guys,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm the maintainer of lemonldap-ng, and of the 4 cpan modules related
+</I>&gt;<i> to. In order to have a cleaned spec file, I want to totally rewrite
+</I>&gt;<i> it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've packaged the 4 perl modules separately of the main package. To
+</I>&gt;<i> allow my rewrite, I need a sysadmin to remove the following pkg from
+</I>&gt;<i> the repositories:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-Lemonldap-NG-Common
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-Lemonldap-NG-Handler
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-Lemonldap-NG-Manager
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-Lemonldap-NG-Portal
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This modules will be included in the main package, in this way we'll
+</I>&gt;<i> have a full-compatible spec with upstream and we'll be able to adapt
+</I>&gt;<i> our spec file when upstream will modify theirs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks to sysadmin.
+</I>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Simple w at 18/06/12 10:52 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/17 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/17 R&#233;mi Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">remi at verschelde.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/17 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I have been running arist-gtk to encode video and almost all presets
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fail because it needs gstreamer-faac, please see the output:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ]$ arista-gtk
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'GMountMountFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'GDriveStartFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ** (process:3757): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'GSocketMsgFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GstObject)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> arista.presets [435]: INFO Attempting to install elements: faac
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: xid = 0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: Codec nice name: Elemento &quot;faac&quot; do GStreamer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: structure: gstreamer0.10(element-faac)()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ** Message: PackageKit: Did not install codec: Message did not receive
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a reply (timeout by message bus)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> arista.presets [444]: ERROR Unable to install required elements!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Found only 1 preset working so far in arista, seams it uses
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer-faac in almost all presets...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Did you install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Packages like:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> faac
+</I>&gt;<i> amrwb
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> couldnt exist in non-free repository?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I see that these packages for example in Fedora they exist in Rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Fusion <A HREF="http://rpmfusion.org/">http://rpmfusion.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seams to be a repository for packages with license &quot;issues&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Can this be reviewed in Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently users are limited to handle video codifications and they
+</I>&gt;<i> dont have any option to install faac and amrwb.
+</I>
+As mentioned in the previous email, this particular bit of software has
+both license issues *and* patent issues in some countries.
+
+It's the combination of these two things that make things awkward for us
+as we have:
+ non-free (for software with license issues)
+and
+ tainted (for software with patent issues).
+
+To ship this package we would need yet another repository:
+ non-free+tainted
+
+And this is the general dilemma. Too many media sources are confusing to
+users. But clean separation is important for users who live in certain
+jurisdictions (and also potentially for mirror servers in certain
+jurisdictions who may not be able to carry tainted, but can carry non-free)
+
+Hope that explains the issue. It would be nice to solve it, but I'm not
+sure how without another media than that's a pain to support cleanly.
+
+Col
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+</I>&gt;<i> faac
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> couldnt exist in non-free repository?
+</I>No, the problem with faac is that it contains nonfree parts and is 
+tainted. So it's a no-go currently.
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+&gt;<i> I see that these packages for example in Fedora they exist in Rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Fusion <A HREF="http://rpmfusion.org/">http://rpmfusion.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seams to be a repository for packages with license &quot;issues&quot;.
+</I>rpmfusion is no official fedora repository, it's a third-party-repo 
+without any official connection to the fedora project.
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+Oliver
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+    <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B> 
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+<PRE>2012/6/18 D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello guys,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm the maintainer of lemonldap-ng, and of the 4 cpan modules related
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to. In order to have a cleaned spec file, I want to totally rewrite
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've packaged the 4 perl modules separately of the main package. To
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> allow my rewrite, I need a sysadmin to remove the following pkg from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the repositories:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perl-Lemonldap-NG-Common
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perl-Lemonldap-NG-Handler
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perl-Lemonldap-NG-Manager
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perl-Lemonldap-NG-Portal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This modules will be included in the main package, in this way we'll
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have a full-compatible spec with upstream and we'll be able to adapt
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> our spec file when upstream will modify theirs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks to sysadmin.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Done
+</I>
+Thanks, dmorgan :)
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+    <B>Philippe DIDIER</B> 
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+    <I>Mon Jun 18 13:33:08 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 18.06.2012 11:52, schrieb Simple w:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> faac
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> couldnt exist in non-free repository?
+</I>&gt;<i> No, the problem with faac is that it contains nonfree parts and is
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted. So it's a no-go currently.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I see that these packages for example in Fedora they exist in Rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Fusion <A HREF="http://rpmfusion.org/">http://rpmfusion.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Seams to be a repository for packages with license &quot;issues&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmfusion is no official fedora repository, it's a third-party-repo
+</I>&gt;<i> without any official connection to the fedora project.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Every distribution has (or had) this kind of non official but well known
+&quot;third-party&quot; repo ...
+Debian multimedia for Debian
+rpmfusion for Fedora
+packman for openSUSE
+plf for Mandriva
+etc...
+All of them provide faac
+
+Mageia chooses to clearly provide the problematic packages in 2 special
+repos : non-free &amp; tainted (letting mirror administrators include or not
+these repos to respect their own local law )
+Letting users choose to use or not these repos and install the licensed
+or patented programs or non-free drivers or microcodes or downloaders
+(for skype or adobe)
+more simple indeed !
+
+but faac is a platypus (mammalian laying eggs) : both non-free and
+tainted !!!
+it needs a special repo ... same for the programs built with it...
+
+3 ways :
+1)
+Mageia creates an official non-free-tainted repo with a special suffix
+(I proposed long time ago &quot;twisted&quot; suffix so that we may have for
+instance :
+vlc-x.y.z.mga2 in core repo,
+vlc-x.y.z.mga2.tainted in tainted repo,
+and vlc-x.y.z-maga2.twisted in non-free-tainted repo
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+allowing to simply &quot;update&quot; from core to tainted
+or to &quot;update&quot; from core or tainted to twisted
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+2)
+We hope that a third-party repo is created by unofficial dev but there
+are risks of bad compatibility (remember Thac's or MIB for Mandrake and
+Mandriva)
+
+3)
+some Mageia dev create themselves an unofficial third party repo (same
+way as plf...)
+
+
+NB : all the spec files, ( for vlc, gstreamer, mplayer-mencoder,
+etc...) inherited from mandriva-plf contains an option to validate a
+build with faac ... just a # prevent this kind of build...
+
+You are allowed to build your own rpms, but it's not very user friendly
+and not easy for a beginner !!!
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+</I>&gt;<i> I've just submitted systemd v185 to updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>...
+&gt;<i> Please ensure you are capable of restoring your system in the event of
+</I>&gt;<i> things messing up. This will mean booting and manually downgrading
+</I>&gt;<i> packages and reinstalling the older udev package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If all is well, this will go into cauldron at the end of the week.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Please,somebody fix <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6453">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6453</A> before 
+this hits release, because if it has to be withdrawn from release, a 
+fresh cauldron install may be the easiest and least messy way to revert it.
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+<PRE>On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Revision: 261308
+</I>&gt;<i> Author:   shlomif
+</I>&gt;<i> Date:     2012-06-17 23:48:59 +0200 (Sun, 17 Jun 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message:
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------
+</I>&gt;<i> Imported from Fedora RawHide
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Added Paths:
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------
+</I>&gt;<i>     cauldron/muParser/current/
+</I>&gt;<i>     cauldron/muParser/current/SOURCES/
+</I>&gt;<i>     cauldron/muParser/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst
+</I>&gt;<i>     cauldron/muParser/current/SPECS/
+</I>&gt;<i>     cauldron/muParser/current/SPECS/muParser.spec
+</I>&gt;<i>     cauldron/muParser/releases/
+</I>
+This package shouldn't have been imported. It was already present as
+&quot;muparser&quot;.
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+<PRE>Le 18 juin 2012 09:27, &quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Revision: 261308
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Author:   shlomif
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Date:     2012-06-17 23:48:59 +0200 (Sun, 17 Jun 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Log Message:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -----------
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Imported from Fedora RawHide
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Added Paths:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -----------
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/SOURCES/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/SPECS/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/SPECS/muParser.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     cauldron/muParser/releases/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This package shouldn't have been imported. It was already present as
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;muparser&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I guess/hope it's imported like this because muparser 1.34 broke scidavis &amp;
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+<PRE>On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, John Balcaen wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le 18 juin 2012 09:27, &quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Revision: 261308
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Author:   shlomif
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Date:     2012-06-17 23:48:59 +0200 (Sun, 17 Jun 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Log Message:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; -----------
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Imported from Fedora RawHide
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Added Paths:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; -----------
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/SOURCES/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/SPECS/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/SPECS/muParser.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/releases/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This package shouldn't have been imported. It was already present as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;muparser&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess/hope it's imported like this because muparser 1.34 broke scidavis &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> qwplot so we stick to 1.32
+</I>
+If it was reimported for this reason, then muparser / muParser names are
+confusing. If muparser 1.32 should be kept for some reason in parrallel
+with newer versions, I think the package should be renamed to muparser1.32
+instead.
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bsoft-commits%5D%20%5B4978%5D%20update%20distro%20credit%20for%0A%09mageia&In-Reply-To=%3CCAOfq2QRyhdhnQ1y%3DpX29ofhRLJJ1MZPAZDf7R-EzsGgo0nKqBQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+    <I>Mon Jun 18 15:23:21 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Well, I didn't find changes made in 2011 in svn history for urpme.
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+2012/6/18 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 18 June 2012 11:27, &#160;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update distro credit for mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: rpm/urpmi/trunk/urpme
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- rpm/urpmi/trunk/urpme &#160; &#160; 2012-06-17 20:41:09 UTC (rev 4977)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ rpm/urpmi/trunk/urpme &#160; &#160; 2012-06-18 09:27:09 UTC (rev 4978)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -40,6 +40,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;sub usage() {
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;print N(&quot;urpme version %s
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Copyright (C) 1999-2010 Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Copyright (C) 2012 Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would be &quot;2011-2012&quot; instead of &quot;2012&quot;
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+<PRE>Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+&gt;<i> I saw at 
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I><A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/cooker/man/current/SPECS/man.spec?r1=666363&amp;r2=791691">http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/cooker/man/current/SPECS/man.spec?r1=666363&amp;r2=791691</A>
+&gt;<i> that Mdv did switch from the old flat text based man pages to the 
+</I>&gt;<i> berkley db based man-db.
+</I>&gt;<i> According to <A HREF="http://nongnu.org/man-db/">http://nongnu.org/man-db/</A> several larger distros did switch 
+</I>&gt;<i> some time ago as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> So what do you think, should we follow them as well? I have yet to 
+</I>&gt;<i> really look into it, but I wanted to ask for opinions first, so I won't 
+</I>&gt;<i> be spending my time on nothing.
+</I>
+Yes, there are a few packages where other distros have switched to different
+upstreams and we have fallen behind.  This is one of them that I had noticed,
+and I do think we should follow suit.
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+Another is procps, and I already asked about this on this list and people
+were in favor of switching to the new upstream, I just haven't gotten around
+to working on it yet.
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+Another one I discovered is utempter.  Fedora and some others have switched to
+a new upstream (who calls it libutempter, but the Fedora package name is still
+utempter).
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+I think Mandriva may have switched to a different upstream of libjpeg as well.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and nicolas vigier at 18/06/12 14:12 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, John Balcaen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 18 juin 2012 09:27, &quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Revision: 261308
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Author:   shlomif
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Date:     2012-06-17 23:48:59 +0200 (Sun, 17 Jun 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -----------
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Imported from Fedora RawHide
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Added Paths:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -----------
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     cauldron/muParser/current/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     cauldron/muParser/current/SOURCES/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     cauldron/muParser/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     cauldron/muParser/current/SPECS/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     cauldron/muParser/current/SPECS/muParser.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     cauldron/muParser/releases/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This package shouldn't have been imported. It was already present as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;muparser&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I guess/hope it's imported like this because muparser 1.34 broke scidavis &amp;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> qwplot so we stick to 1.32
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If it was reimported for this reason, then muparser / muParser names are
+</I>&gt;<i> confusing. If muparser 1.32 should be kept for some reason in parrallel
+</I>&gt;<i> with newer versions, I think the package should be renamed to muparser1.32
+</I>&gt;<i> instead.
+</I>
+Yup +1 here. muParser is against our packaging guidelines for package
+names anyway.
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+<PRE>If this isn't just a case of me not seeing something obvious, I'll enter 
+a bug report...
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at ftgme2</A> release]$ pwd
+/mnt/cauldron/i586/media/core/release
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at ftgme2</A> release]$ ls -l *keyring*
+-rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg 717173 Apr 18 18:21 gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+-rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg  19170 Nov 21  2011 
+gnome-keyring-sharp-1.0.2-2.mga2.i586.rpm
+-rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg  13759 Nov 21  2011 
+gnome-keyring-sharp-doc-1.0.2-2.mga2.i586.rpm
+-rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg  24632 Nov 26  2011 
+gnome-python-gnomekeyring-2.32.0-12.mga2.i586.rpm
+-rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg  24829 Nov 20  2011 
+jpilot-keyring-1.8.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+-rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg  54372 Apr 18 18:16 
+libgnome-keyring0-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+-rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg  77144 Apr 18 18:16 
+libgnome-keyring-devel-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+-rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg  11033 Apr 18 18:16 
+libgnome-keyring-gir1.0-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+-rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg  33992 Apr 18 18:16 
+libgnome-keyring-i18n-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+-rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg   9647 Jun 14 02:15 
+libsvn-gnome-keyring0-1.7.5-3.mga3.i586.rpm
+-rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg   5763 Jun 14 02:15 
+subversion-gnome-keyring-devel-1.7.5-3.mga3.i586.rpm
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at ftgme2</A> release]$
+
+but
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> init.d]# urpmi gnome-keyring
+Package gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.x86_64 is already installed
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> init.d]# urpmi 
+/mnt/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> init.d]# urpmq gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+urpmq: cannot read rpm file &quot;gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm&quot;
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> init.d]# rpm -i 
+/mnt/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+error: Failed dependencies:
+         libgck-1.so.0 is needed by gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586
+         libgcr-base-3.so.1 is needed by gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586
+         libpam.so.0 is needed by gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> init.d]#
+
+rpmdrake using an &quot;in names&quot; search of &quot;gnome-keyring&quot; finds the i586 
+gnome-keyring-debug package, but not the i586 gnome-keyring itself .
+
+I've checked, and Core 32 Release is enabled.
+
+This came about because a Wine app that has been working all along 
+suddenly can't find /usr/lib/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so which is 
+part of the i586 gnome-keyring package.  Trying to install it, as shown 
+above, gives no joy.
+
+What am I missing here ?
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+<PRE>On 18 June 2012 15:23, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Well, I didn't find changes made in 2011 in svn history for urpme.
+</I>
+There were fixes for urpme done in URPM. eg:
+&quot;fix crashing while removing several packages (#248)&quot;
+
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/18 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --- rpm/urpmi/trunk/urpme &#160; &#160; 2012-06-17 20:41:09 UTC (rev 4977)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +++ rpm/urpmi/trunk/urpme &#160; &#160; 2012-06-18 09:27:09 UTC (rev 4978)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -40,6 +40,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;sub usage() {
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;print N(&quot;urpme version %s
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Copyright (C) 1999-2010 Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +Copyright (C) 2012 Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That would be &quot;2011-2012&quot; instead of &quot;2012&quot;
+</I>
+fix crashing while removing several packages (#248)
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 18/06/12 15:40 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> If this isn't just a case of me not seeing something obvious, I'll enter
+</I>&gt;<i> a bug report...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at ftgme2</A> release]$ pwd
+</I>&gt;<i> /mnt/cauldron/i586/media/core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at ftgme2</A> release]$ ls -l *keyring*
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg 717173 Apr 18 18:21
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg  19170 Nov 21  2011
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-keyring-sharp-1.0.2-2.mga2.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg  13759 Nov 21  2011
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-keyring-sharp-doc-1.0.2-2.mga2.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg  24632 Nov 26  2011
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-python-gnomekeyring-2.32.0-12.mga2.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg  24829 Nov 20  2011
+</I>&gt;<i> jpilot-keyring-1.8.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg  54372 Apr 18 18:16
+</I>&gt;<i> libgnome-keyring0-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg  77144 Apr 18 18:16
+</I>&gt;<i> libgnome-keyring-devel-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg  11033 Apr 18 18:16
+</I>&gt;<i> libgnome-keyring-gir1.0-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg  33992 Apr 18 18:16
+</I>&gt;<i> libgnome-keyring-i18n-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg   9647 Jun 14 02:15
+</I>&gt;<i> libsvn-gnome-keyring0-1.7.5-3.mga3.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-r--r-- 1 ftg ftg   5763 Jun 14 02:15
+</I>&gt;<i> subversion-gnome-keyring-devel-1.7.5-3.mga3.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at ftgme2</A> release]$
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> but
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> init.d]# urpmi gnome-keyring
+</I>&gt;<i> Package gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.x86_64 is already installed
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> init.d]# urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> /mnt/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> init.d]# urpmq gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmq: cannot read rpm file &quot;gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> init.d]# rpm -i
+</I>&gt;<i> /mnt/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> error: Failed dependencies:
+</I>&gt;<i>         libgck-1.so.0 is needed by gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586
+</I>&gt;<i>         libgcr-base-3.so.1 is needed by gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586
+</I>&gt;<i>         libpam.so.0 is needed by gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.mga2.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> init.d]#
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmdrake using an &quot;in names&quot; search of &quot;gnome-keyring&quot; finds the i586
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-keyring-debug package, but not the i586 gnome-keyring itself .
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I've checked, and Core 32 Release is enabled.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This came about because a Wine app that has been working all along
+</I>&gt;<i> suddenly can't find /usr/lib/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so which is
+</I>&gt;<i> part of the i586 gnome-keyring package.  Trying to install it, as shown
+</I>&gt;<i> above, gives no joy.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> What am I missing here ?
+</I>
+This is pretty standard.
+
+It's not installing gnome-keyring because you already have it installed.
+
+You can install it manually, via rpm -i but this will lead to some other
+problems (i.e. two pacakges with the same name installed, some shared
+files e.g. /usr/bin/gnome-keyring, all the translation messages etc.
+will be overwritten.
+
+Essentually It's not really something we should support even if you can
+force it with rpm directly. One of your rpm -V commands on that package
+(32 vs. 64 bit) will fail.
+
+So the correctly solution if some of the files are missing is to split
+the file:
+
+/usr/lib{64,}/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so
+
+out into a separate package that is properly libified.
+
+Then you can happily install the different modules for both arches
+without affecting the main gnome-keyring application.
+
+That said, is it offiically supported to use
+/usr/lib{64,}/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so outside of the main
+gnome-keyring binary? I don't know but it would be worth asking before
+looking to split it all up.
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 1)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia creates an official non-free-tainted repo with a special suffix
+</I>&gt;<i> (I proposed long time ago &quot;twisted&quot; suffix so that we may have for
+</I>&gt;<i> instance :
+</I>&gt;<i> vlc-x.y.z.mga2 in core repo,
+</I>&gt;<i> vlc-x.y.z.mga2.tainted in tainted repo,
+</I>&gt;<i> and vlc-x.y.z-maga2.twisted in non-free-tainted repo
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3)
+</I>&gt;<i> some Mageia dev create themselves an unofficial third party repo (same
+</I>&gt;<i> way as plf...)
+</I>
+I would be in favour of (1), since (3) would mean &quot;We don't want to
+add a fourth repo to Mageia so we put it aside&quot;, but this is not
+really the Mageia philosophy. The purpose of having non-free and
+tainted is that the Mageia project is self-sufficient and our users
+don't have to rely on 3rd party repositories.
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Am 18.06.2012 11:52, schrieb Simple w:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; faac
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; couldnt exist in non-free repository?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No, the problem with faac is that it contains nonfree parts and is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tainted. So it's a no-go currently.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I see that these packages for example in Fedora they exist in Rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Fusion <A HREF="http://rpmfusion.org/">http://rpmfusion.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Seams to be a repository for packages with license &quot;issues&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rpmfusion is no official fedora repository, it's a third-party-repo
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; without any official connection to the fedora project.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> Every distribution has (or had) this kind of non official but well known
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;third-party&quot; repo ...
+</I>&gt;<i> Debian multimedia for Debian
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmfusion for Fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> packman for openSUSE
+</I>&gt;<i> plf for Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> etc...
+</I>&gt;<i> All of them provide faac
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia chooses to clearly provide the problematic packages in 2 special
+</I>&gt;<i> repos : non-free &amp; tainted (letting mirror administrators include or not
+</I>&gt;<i> these repos to respect their own local law )
+</I>&gt;<i> Letting users choose to use or not these repos and install the licensed
+</I>&gt;<i> or patented programs or non-free drivers or microcodes or downloaders
+</I>&gt;<i> (for skype or adobe)
+</I>&gt;<i> more simple indeed !
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> but faac is a platypus (mammalian laying eggs) : both non-free and
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted !!!
+</I>&gt;<i> it needs a special repo ... same for the programs built with it...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 3 ways :
+</I>&gt;<i> 1)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia creates an official non-free-tainted repo with a special suffix
+</I>&gt;<i> (I proposed long time ago &quot;twisted&quot; suffix so that we may have for
+</I>&gt;<i> instance :
+</I>&gt;<i> vlc-x.y.z.mga2 in core repo,
+</I>&gt;<i> vlc-x.y.z.mga2.tainted in tainted repo,
+</I>&gt;<i> and vlc-x.y.z-maga2.twisted in non-free-tainted repo
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> allowing to simply &quot;update&quot; from core to tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> or to &quot;update&quot; from core or tainted to twisted
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 2)
+</I>&gt;<i> We hope that a third-party repo is created by unofficial dev but there
+</I>&gt;<i> are risks of bad compatibility (remember Thac's or MIB for Mandrake and
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 3)
+</I>&gt;<i> some Mageia dev create themselves an unofficial third party repo (same
+</I>&gt;<i> way as plf...)
+</I>
+4)
+wait until someone creates an open source version of faac.
+
+I'm not sure faac support is worth the complexity added by adding an
+other repository, and an other duplication of packages for mplayer,
+ffmpeg, mythtv, gstreamer, vlc, xine, ...
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+&gt;<i> This is pretty standard. It's not installing gnome-keyring because you 
+</I>&gt;<i> already have it installed. 
+</I>
+Thanks for the reply, Col, but something has still changed or is not 
+right here.
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+For one thing, rpmdrake has always displayed both flavors of 
+arch-specific packages.  For another, urpmi when asked to install the 
+i586 RPM just ends without doing anything; it's not giving the &quot;package 
+already installed&quot; error.
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+i agree with you about splitting out the library.  In any case, this 
+turned out to be a red herring; I blew away .wine and reinstalled the 
+application, and the pkcs11 message still appears but execution proceeds 
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 18/06/12 16:44 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 06/18/2012 11:08 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is pretty standard. It's not installing gnome-keyring because you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> already have it installed. 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for the reply, Col, but something has still changed or is not
+</I>&gt;<i> right here.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> For one thing, rpmdrake has always displayed both flavors of
+</I>&gt;<i> arch-specific packages.  For another, urpmi when asked to install the
+</I>&gt;<i> i586 RPM just ends without doing anything; it's not giving the &quot;package
+</I>&gt;<i> already installed&quot; error.
+</I>
+Yeah I encountered this general problem when replacing my i586 install
+with an x86_64 in-place.
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+So yeah this could be handled more gracefully but it's quite a corner
+case IMO.
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+Col
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+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>philippe makowski</B> 
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+<PRE>2012/6/16 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">obgr_seneca at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Ican help on python. But only if others come along. Since we do not have
+</I>&gt;<i> group maintainership, I could take python officially and we could create an
+</I>&gt;<i> inofficial group for it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'm quiet busy for the next 6 months, but feel free to ring me (by email ;) )
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi there,
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+I commited an update to the python package today to resolve 
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843</A>
+Since python is a rather central and big package I'd like someone to 
+have a look at it before I submit it to Cauldron and before I commit the 
+fixes to the Mga1 and Mga2 packages.
+
+Thanks,
+
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+
+-- 
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
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+    <B>Antoine Pitrou</B> 
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+<PRE>On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:24:34 +0200
+Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I commited an update to the python package today to resolve 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since python is a rather central and big package I'd like someone to 
+</I>&gt;<i> have a look at it before I submit it to Cauldron and before I commit the 
+</I>&gt;<i> fixes to the Mga1 and Mga2 packages.
+</I>
+Can the patch be viewed somewhere?
+
+Regards
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+Antoine.
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+<PRE>Am 18.06.2012 21:23, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
+&gt;<i> Can the patch be viewed somewhere?
+</I>
+Of course:
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/python-2.7.3-upstream-pypirc-secure.patch?revision=261722&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/python-2.7.3-upstream-pypirc-secure.patch?revision=261722&amp;view=markup</A>
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+As I understood it, this was upstream's prposed patch for python 2.7.4
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+Oliver
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+-- 
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
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+Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+wrote:
+&gt;<i> Am 18.06.2012 21:23, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Can the patch be viewed somewhere?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/python-2.7.3-upstream-pypirc-secure.patch?revision=261722&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/python-2.7.3-upstream-pypirc-secure.patch?revision=261722&amp;view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> As I understood it, this was upstream's prposed patch for python 2.7.4
+</I>
+Yes, this looks fine as far as 2.7.3 is concerned.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 18/06/12 09:11 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 18/06/12 07:03 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/18/2012 01:15 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've just submitted systemd v185 to updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are several important changes worth noting:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   1. &quot;systemd-sysvinit&quot; has been merged into the main &quot;systemd&quot; package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> thus effectively making systemd the only choice for booting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   2. &quot;systemd&quot; package now contains systemd-udevd binary thus replacing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the separate udev package (I see no reason to keep the binaries in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> separate packages).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   3. The libudev major number has been bumped so several packages will
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> need rebuilt when this hits main, but so far I've only rebuilt lvm2 for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updates_testing. This seems to be enough for basic testing (I have LVM
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> here).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   4. Due to the new udevd path, dracut needed updating too. I've updated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this and submitted to release (as it's backwards compatible). At a later
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> date I'll update to latest dracut.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please ensure you are capable of restoring your system in the event of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> things messing up. This will mean booting and manually downgrading
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages and reinstalling the older udev package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If all is well, this will go into cauldron at the end of the week.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It seems to work ok in my netbook, just two minor problems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - in install:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    7/28: systemd              
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.bM0Lmo: line 5: /usr/bin/systemctl: No such file or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   in post-install, systemctl is already moved to /bin
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahh yes, this was me forgetting to revert a few paths. Dexter moved
+</I>&gt;<i> everything to /usr (which I support) but that requires a bigger change
+</I>&gt;<i> overall for other parts of the system which we'll need to plan a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> more holistically I think. It will come soon enough but I wanted to get
+</I>&gt;<i> this merged version in sooner rather than later.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - keyboard layout under Gnome got reset to English (from Spanish).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Changed manually under
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   system settings and fine again.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Interesting. Does this new setting survive a reboot? Does the new
+</I>&gt;<i> mapping work at the system level (i.e. is the layout respected in GDM)?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have a /etc/vconsole.conf file?
+</I>
+OK, so I don't really understand why it's broken. I think it's maybe a
+regression in that X is no longer inheriting settings from the console,
+but I think longer term this is a valid thing (maybe there will not be a
+console to inherit from in the future?)
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+So, it seems that systemd-localed will write an Xorg snippet into
+/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf when the keyboard is set. Thus
+your setting of it via the Gnome System Settings will have written this
+file (can you confirm it exists?) and it will remain there for the
+remaining boots.
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+Longer term, we need to make sure the installer runs this daemon for
+fresh installs. And perhaps we should run it on upgrade automatically
+too to ensure it's written as needed.
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+Cheers
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> I've just submitted systemd v185 to updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are several important changes worth noting:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;1. &quot;systemd-sysvinit&quot; has been merged into the main &quot;systemd&quot; package
+</I>&gt;<i> thus effectively making systemd the only choice for booting.
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;2. &quot;systemd&quot; package now contains systemd-udevd binary thus replacing
+</I>&gt;<i> the separate udev package (I see no reason to keep the binaries in
+</I>&gt;<i> separate packages).
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;3. The libudev major number has been bumped so several packages will
+</I>&gt;<i> need rebuilt when this hits main, but so far I've only rebuilt lvm2 for
+</I>&gt;<i> updates_testing. This seems to be enough for basic testing (I have LVM
+</I>&gt;<i> here).
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;4. Due to the new udevd path, dracut needed updating too. I've updated
+</I>&gt;<i> this and submitted to release (as it's backwards compatible). At a later
+</I>&gt;<i> date I'll update to latest dracut.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please ensure you are capable of restoring your system in the event of
+</I>&gt;<i> things messing up. This will mean booting and manually downgrading
+</I>&gt;<i> packages and reinstalling the older udev package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If all is well, this will go into cauldron at the end of the week.
+</I>
+I've rebooted two machines with it with success
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+Sorry for the delay, I've been busy with end-of-term festivals in
+my children' schools ;)...
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+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - keyboard layout under Gnome got reset to English (from Spanish).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Changed manually under
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>    system settings and fine again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+One addtional problem is that GDM starts with english keyboard which
+is a problem for passwords with non alpha-num chars... :).
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Interesting. Does this new setting survive a reboot? Does the new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mapping work at the system level (i.e. is the layout respected in GDM)?
+</I>
+Yep, the setting survives a reboot for the user that changed it, but
+as I said above it does not change GDM settings. I did not try to do it
+with system tools, just user preferences.
+And keymap is OK in virtual consoles.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have a /etc/vconsole.conf file?
+</I>
+Nop, I have not. I think system settings were in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, so I don't really understand why it's broken. I think it's maybe a
+</I>&gt;<i> regression in that X is no longer inheriting settings from the console,
+</I>&gt;<i> but I think longer term this is a valid thing (maybe there will not be a
+</I>&gt;<i> console to inherit from in the future?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, it seems that systemd-localed will write an Xorg snippet into
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf when the keyboard is set. Thus
+</I>&gt;<i> your setting of it via the Gnome System Settings will have written this
+</I>&gt;<i> file (can you confirm it exists?) and it will remain there for the
+</I>&gt;<i> remaining boots.
+</I>
+This file does not exist in my box, I just used user prefs to change
+the map, not sytem ones.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Longer term, we need to make sure the installer runs this daemon for
+</I>&gt;<i> fresh installs. And perhaps we should run it on upgrade automatically
+</I>&gt;<i> too to ensure it's written as needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I will try to write an /etc/vconsole.conf and see if it works.
+Perhaps the fix is just to write it from /etc/syscofig/keyboard...
+
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+    <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B> 
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+<PRE>On 06/18/2012 11:28 PM, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry for the delay, I've been busy with end-of-term festivals in
+</I>&gt;<i> my children' schools ;)...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - keyboard layout under Gnome got reset to English (from Spanish).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Changed manually under
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>    system settings and fine again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One addtional problem is that GDM starts with english keyboard which
+</I>&gt;<i> is a problem for passwords with non alpha-num chars... :).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Interesting. Does this new setting survive a reboot? Does the new
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mapping work at the system level (i.e. is the layout respected in GDM)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep, the setting survives a reboot for the user that changed it, but
+</I>&gt;<i> as I said above it does not change GDM settings. I did not try to do it
+</I>&gt;<i> with system tools, just user preferences.
+</I>&gt;<i> And keymap is OK in virtual consoles.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have a /etc/vconsole.conf file?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nop, I have not. I think system settings were in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, so I don't really understand why it's broken. I think it's maybe a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regression in that X is no longer inheriting settings from the console,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but I think longer term this is a valid thing (maybe there will not be a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> console to inherit from in the future?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, it seems that systemd-localed will write an Xorg snippet into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf when the keyboard is set. Thus
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> your setting of it via the Gnome System Settings will have written this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file (can you confirm it exists?) and it will remain there for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> remaining boots.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This file does not exist in my box, I just used user prefs to change
+</I>&gt;<i> the map, not sytem ones.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Longer term, we need to make sure the installer runs this daemon for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fresh installs. And perhaps we should run it on upgrade automatically
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> too to ensure it's written as needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will try to write an /etc/vconsole.conf and see if it works.
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps the fix is just to write it from /etc/syscofig/keyboard...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This file did not work for GDM.
+So i checked systemd-localed, it was not started and started it manually,
+and then copied my settings to system in gnome settings tool.
+That made the file in xorg.conf.d appear, and GDM was OK.
+
+Perhaps udev/dbus do not talk to X server anymore about keyboard layout.
+My settiongs in xorg.conf were:
+Section &quot;InputDevice&quot;
+     Identifier &quot;keyboard&quot;
+     Driver &quot;evdev&quot;
+#    Option &quot;XkbLayout&quot; &quot;es&quot;
+#    Option &quot;XkbModel&quot; &quot;pc105&quot;
+#    Option &quot;XkbOptions&quot; &quot;&quot;
+EndSection
+
+File generated by localed is:
+
+# Read and parsed by systemd-localed. It's probably wise not to edit this file
+# manually too freely.
+Section &quot;InputClass&quot;
+         Identifier &quot;system-keyboard&quot;
+         MatchIsKeyboard &quot;on&quot;
+         Option &quot;XkbLayout&quot; &quot;es&quot;
+EndSection
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+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt;        \               Winter is coming...
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+    <B>Philippe DIDIER</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 4)
+</I>&gt;<i> wait until someone creates an open source version of faac.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure faac support is worth the complexity added by adding an
+</I>&gt;<i> other repository, and an other duplication of packages for mplayer,
+</I>&gt;<i> ffmpeg, mythtv, gstreamer, vlc, xine, ...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Do you mean that we'll have to wait til Mageia4 ?
+
+there's vo-aacenc which is an opensource project to replace faac ...
+(the last version was published in february 2012)
+but it is still less complete and good than faac, and needs to be improved.
+When it is OK... then, that will need to modify the source code of
+mplayer, gstreamer, mythtv, vlc, xine, cinerella to build them upon it
+(to port them from faac to vo-aacenc)
+
+ffmpeg seems to have been already modified to use libvo-aacenc
+
+
+
+Nevertheless, until it's done and good there's no solution to work on
+mp4 or mpa or aac files with Mageia2 ... and certainly  won't either
+with Mageia3 ... people who need that will go elsewhere.
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+&gt;<i> 2012/6/18 Philippe DIDIER &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia creates an official non-free-tainted repo with a special suffix
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (I proposed long time ago &quot;twisted&quot; suffix so that we may have for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instance :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> vlc-x.y.z.mga2 in core repo,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> vlc-x.y.z.mga2.tainted in tainted repo,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and vlc-x.y.z-maga2.twisted in non-free-tainted repo
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some Mageia dev create themselves an unofficial third party repo (same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> way as plf...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would be in favour of (1), since (3) would mean &quot;We don't want to
+</I>&gt;<i> add a fourth repo to Mageia so we put it aside&quot;, but this is not
+</I>&gt;<i> really the Mageia philosophy. The purpose of having non-free and
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted is that the Mageia project is self-sufficient and our users
+</I>&gt;<i> don't have to rely on 3rd party repositories.
+</I>
+Thats seams to be whats happening, i dont see any interest in
+resolving this situation, so users like me are forced to look for
+solutions else where, and this is specially for users that need to
+handle video/audio encoding, they will need for sure to look for
+another distro.
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+I thought Mageia policy was against this but seams i was wrong.
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+&gt;<i> Op zondag 17 juni 2012 17:28:43 schreef AL13N:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op zondag 17 juni 2012 13:18:57 schreef Jerome Quelin:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; first, setting $debug = 1 doesn't make urpmi-proxy debug logs to go in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; /var/log/httpd/error_log. it would be wise to have all debug go
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; somewhere else, either in messages or even in a private urpmi-proxy log
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; file.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; so, i've used some printing to tmp file to get some more information.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; and i found that at line 310, urpmi-proxy is using $source . $file as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; the url of the file to fetch with curl. however, printing this source
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; shows the following url:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; i5
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 8
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 6/media/core/release/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; /M
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; D5 SUM
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; ==&gt; definitely a problem, hence a 404.
+</I>[...]
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Simple w at 18/06/12 10:52 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/17 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/17 R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">remi at verschelde.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>
+[snip]
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Did you install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packages like:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> faac
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> amrwb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> couldnt exist in non-free repository?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I see that these packages for example in Fedora they exist in Rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Fusion <A HREF="http://rpmfusion.org/">http://rpmfusion.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Seams to be a repository for packages with license &quot;issues&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can this be reviewed in Mageia?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Currently users are limited to handle video codifications and they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dont have any option to install faac and amrwb.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> As mentioned in the previous email, this particular bit of software has
+</I>&gt;<i> both license issues *and* patent issues in some countries.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It's the combination of these two things that make things awkward for us
+</I>&gt;<i> as we have:
+</I>&gt;<i>  non-free (for software with license issues)
+</I>&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;<i>  tainted (for software with patent issues).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> To ship this package we would need yet another repository:
+</I>&gt;<i>  non-free+tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And this is the general dilemma. Too many media sources are confusing to
+</I>&gt;<i> users. But clean separation is important for users who live in certain
+</I>&gt;<i> jurisdictions (and also potentially for mirror servers in certain
+</I>&gt;<i> jurisdictions who may not be able to carry tainted, but can carry
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hope that explains the issue. It would be nice to solve it, but I'm not
+</I>&gt;<i> sure how without another media than that's a pain to support cleanly.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col 
+</I>
+Real life is confusing.  :-(  
+
+Hide the messy bit.  They can edit urpmi.cfg if they want to.  
+
+The user interface should just ask simple questions; like, 
+&quot;Do you want to avoid non-free software?&quot;,  
+&quot;Do you want to avoid possibly patented software?&quot;, 
+&quot;Do you want to avoid backported software?&quot;, 
+&quot;Do you want to avoid software not approve by QA yet?&quot;, and
+&quot;Do you want to avoid software that gives debug messages?&quot;.  
+Where each of those questions applies to half of the repositories.  
+
+I am assuming automatic answers to the unasked questions about 
+updates and about 64 bit versus 32 bit.  Each of which also 
+applies to half of the repositories.  
+
+Five answers handle 128 repositories.  
+
+If you assume that only advance users will want to know about 
+backports, testing and debug then you only have to ask TWO 
+questions.  Maybe three; non-free, tainted, advanced?  
+
+This should be posted somewhere else, I just don't know where.  
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Hope that explains the issue. It would be nice to solve it, but I'm not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure how without another media than that's a pain to support cleanly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Real life is confusing.  :-(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hide the messy bit.  They can edit urpmi.cfg if they want to.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The user interface should just ask simple questions; like,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Do you want to avoid non-free software?&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Do you want to avoid possibly patented software?&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Do you want to avoid backported software?&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Do you want to avoid software not approve by QA yet?&quot;, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Do you want to avoid software that gives debug messages?&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Where each of those questions applies to half of the repositories.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am assuming automatic answers to the unasked questions about
+</I>&gt;<i> updates and about 64 bit versus 32 bit.  Each of which also
+</I>&gt;<i> applies to half of the repositories.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Five answers handle 128 repositories.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you assume that only advance users will want to know about
+</I>&gt;<i> backports, testing and debug then you only have to ask TWO
+</I>&gt;<i> questions.  Maybe three; non-free, tainted, advanced?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This should be posted somewhere else, I just don't know where.
+</I>
+actually, i've sent an email in the past about restructuring of the &quot;media
+screen&quot; during install.
+
+it's that screen that asks you if you have more media.
+
+we should redesign it as such:
+
+--------------------------------
+
+What repositories do you want to use for install? (In case of doubt, just
+click 'next'.)
+
+[X] &lt;current media&gt; (that's DVD|LiveCD|USBStick|network... whatever that
+is used to install)
+[ ] online repositories
+[ ] (placeholders for manually added custom repositories)
+
+[X] updates
+[ ] backports
+[ ] non-free
+[ ] tainted
+[ ] testing
+[ ] debug
+
+------------------------------------
+
+since testing and debug is hidden in advanced mode, (and the placeholders
+are only added with the advanced button). I think this would be a very
+nice screen.
+
+in advanced mode, you could one or more manual repositories (or even a
+--distrib repos).
+
+it would even allow for unchecking online repos, and add distrib repos
+through an urpmi-proxy server.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 18/06/12 22:47 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 06/18/2012 11:28 PM, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry for the delay, I've been busy with end-of-term festivals in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my children' schools ;)...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - keyboard layout under Gnome got reset to English (from Spanish).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Changed manually under
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>    system settings and fine again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One addtional problem is that GDM starts with english keyboard which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is a problem for passwords with non alpha-num chars... :).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Interesting. Does this new setting survive a reboot? Does the new
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mapping work at the system level (i.e. is the layout respected in GDM)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yep, the setting survives a reboot for the user that changed it, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as I said above it does not change GDM settings. I did not try to do it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with system tools, just user preferences.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And keymap is OK in virtual consoles.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have a /etc/vconsole.conf file?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nop, I have not. I think system settings were in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, so I don't really understand why it's broken. I think it's maybe a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> regression in that X is no longer inheriting settings from the console,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but I think longer term this is a valid thing (maybe there will not be a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> console to inherit from in the future?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So, it seems that systemd-localed will write an Xorg snippet into
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf when the keyboard is set. Thus
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> your setting of it via the Gnome System Settings will have written this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file (can you confirm it exists?) and it will remain there for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> remaining boots.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This file does not exist in my box, I just used user prefs to change
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the map, not sytem ones.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Longer term, we need to make sure the installer runs this daemon for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fresh installs. And perhaps we should run it on upgrade automatically
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> too to ensure it's written as needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I will try to write an /etc/vconsole.conf and see if it works.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Perhaps the fix is just to write it from /etc/syscofig/keyboard...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This file did not work for GDM.
+</I>
+Yup, I realise now that it's only good for the console. I think in the
+past we must have somehow inherited from the console but that's no
+longer working (I could be wrong on this one).
+
+&gt;<i> So i checked systemd-localed, it was not started and started it manually,
+</I>&gt;<i> and then copied my settings to system in gnome settings tool.
+</I>&gt;<i> That made the file in xorg.conf.d appear, and GDM was OK.
+</I>
+You shouldn't actually need to start it manually. It should start
+on-demand (it's dbus activated). That worked here.
+
+Strangely, I wasn't able to write the file immediately It somehow
+detected my system settings as the same as my local settings and refused
+to write a file. I think perhaps that my &quot;local&quot; settings were a little
+bit broken tho' (years of upgrades I guess) and adding a layout,
+removing it and then copying did indeed write the xorg.conf.d snippet.
+
+&gt;<i> Perhaps udev/dbus do not talk to X server anymore about keyboard layout.
+</I>
+Well I'm not sure at what point X will talk to udev or dbus about this?
+Maybe udev no longer carries locale information in it's db? Maybe it's
+simply due to X being linked against an old libudev at the moment (until
+this lands in the release repo)? That said I don't see any layout
+information in my udev database for my console on mga2 machines. So I'm
+not really sure how this stuff works to be honest.
+
+&gt;<i> My settiongs in xorg.conf were:
+</I>&gt;<i> Section &quot;InputDevice&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>     Identifier &quot;keyboard&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>     Driver &quot;evdev&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> #    Option &quot;XkbLayout&quot; &quot;es&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> #    Option &quot;XkbModel&quot; &quot;pc105&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> #    Option &quot;XkbOptions&quot; &quot;&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> EndSection
+</I>
+Well these options are commented out so won't have any effect. Most of
+the time xorg.conf isn't even needed any more, hence the desire to use
+the xorg.conf.d folder instead.
+
+
+&gt;<i> File generated by localed is:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> # Read and parsed by systemd-localed. It's probably wise not to edit
+</I>&gt;<i> this file
+</I>&gt;<i> # manually too freely.
+</I>&gt;<i> Section &quot;InputClass&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>         Identifier &quot;system-keyboard&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>         MatchIsKeyboard &quot;on&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>         Option &quot;XkbLayout&quot; &quot;es&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> EndSection
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Yup that seems correct.
+
+Likely we'll need to update things accordingly to deal with this, but on
+the whole I'm sure we'll get it working smoothly :)
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
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+&gt;<i> Likely we'll need to update things accordingly to deal with this, but on
+</I>&gt;<i> the whole I'm sure we'll get it working smoothly :)
+</I>
+This is maybe my fault, not fault of new systemd. I enabled systemd
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+I hope I announced that systemd support on mageia-dev.
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+If I have time, I'll test the new systemd tonight. I'd like to switch to
+GNOME 3.5.x soon (new dependencies, lots of fun), but first fix some
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+&gt;<i> Nevertheless, until it's done and good there's no solution to work on
+</I>&gt;<i> mp4 or mpa or aac files with Mageia2 ... and certainly  won't either
+</I>&gt;<i> with Mageia3 ... people who need that will go elsewhere.
+</I>Well, we really can't hold them back. Can we? :)
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 09:07:46AM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Likely we'll need to update things accordingly to deal with this, but on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the whole I'm sure we'll get it working smoothly :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This is maybe my fault, not fault of new systemd. I enabled systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> support in GNOME fairly recently. That likely resulted in a change of
+</I>&gt;<i> behaviour.
+</I>
+Well I'm not sure it's related to new GNOME as this problem exists in
+KDM+KDE too.
+
+So I still think something has changed recently regarding the default
+keymapping. It might not be systemd package specifically of course but
+two people have reported keymap issues since trying it - can't rule out
+a new X11 and a lack of a recent reboot being to blame tho' :D
+
+&gt;<i> I hope I announced that systemd support on mageia-dev.
+</I>
+Yup you did.
+
+&gt;<i> If I have time, I'll test the new systemd tonight. I'd like to switch to
+</I>&gt;<i> GNOME 3.5.x soon (new dependencies, lots of fun), but first fix some
+</I>&gt;<i> more dependencies problems. For 3.5.x, I've seen bugs marked as fixed
+</I>&gt;<i> which want latest systemd.
+</I>
+I guess this is why I can no longer suspend from GNOME? Need to work out
+exactly how this is supposed to work these days, but it could be related
+to the lack of consolekit support in gdm or something... (my
+ck-list-sessions shows me as inactive and thus perhaps the old ways of
+working out if the user can suspend stopped working?)
+
+Not a big issue as this is cauldron after all and there will likely be a
+few changes in this kind of stuff before mga3 :D
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> 19.06.2012 03:29, Philippe DIDIER kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nevertheless, until it's done and good there's no solution to work on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mp4 or mpa or aac files with Mageia2 ... and certainly &#160;won't either
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with Mageia3 ... people who need that will go elsewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, we really can't hold them back. Can we? :)
+</I>
+Yes we could :)
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+We would just need to add these packages. I see that Mageia developers
+want to do things correct, but listen this,  i have installed
+Linuxmint 13 Cinnamon (that uses also ubuntu repos) and i have not
+added any new repos and i have faac available to install.
+
+Couldnt developers in mageia put these kind of packages simply in
+non-free repository (at least until isnt found a better solution) ?
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+&gt;<i> 2012/6/19 Sander Lepik&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 19.06.2012 03:29, Philippe DIDIER kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nevertheless, until it's done and good there's no solution to work on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mp4 or mpa or aac files with Mageia2 ... and certainly  won't either
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with Mageia3 ... people who need that will go elsewhere.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, we really can't hold them back. Can we? :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes we could :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We would just need to add these packages. I see that Mageia developers
+</I>&gt;<i> want to do things correct, but listen this,  i have installed
+</I>&gt;<i> Linuxmint 13 Cinnamon (that uses also ubuntu repos) and i have not
+</I>&gt;<i> added any new repos and i have faac available to install.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Couldnt developers in mageia put these kind of packages simply in
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free repository (at least until isnt found a better solution) ?
+</I>
+No! We do know, others (Ubuntu in this case) do not care about such 
+legal/licensing issues, but we do.
+So only because someone else does jump off a building do you jump as well?
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+Oliver
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+&gt;<i> I guess this is why I can no longer suspend from GNOME? Need to work out
+</I>&gt;<i> exactly how this is supposed to work these days, but it could be related
+</I>&gt;<i> to the lack of consolekit support in gdm or something... (my
+</I>&gt;<i> ck-list-sessions shows me as inactive and thus perhaps the old ways of
+</I>&gt;<i> working out if the user can suspend stopped working?)
+</I>
+I killed the consolekit support if there was an option to do so (IIRC
+only gdm had that). So ck-list-sessions indeed doesn't work anymore.
+There is a related systemd command for that (guess you'd know :P).
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+In any case, it should still suspend, as this setup is used in Fedora
+(the no consolekit I mean) IIRC.
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+In GNOME 3.6 the way of suspending will change (use systemd
+functionality; which is why a new systemd is needed), but suspending
+should just work in 3.4 as well.
+
+No clue what needs changing to make it work now. Thinking maybe
+policykit or similar?
+
+&gt;<i> Not a big issue as this is cauldron after all and there will likely be a
+</I>&gt;<i> few changes in this kind of stuff before mga3 :D
+</I>
+Yeah, I'm potentially breaking stuff on purpose. It is early in the
+cycle and now we have enough time to figure out what needs changing to
+work in a systemd-only environment.
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+&gt;<i> Am 19.06.2012 13:21, schrieb Simple w:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/19 Sander Lepik&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 19.06.2012 03:29, Philippe DIDIER kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nevertheless, until it's done and good there's no solution to work on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mp4 or mpa or aac files with Mageia2 ... and certainly won't either
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with Mageia3 ... people who need that will go elsewhere.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, we really can't hold them back. Can we? :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes we could :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We would just need to add these packages. I see that Mageia developers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> want to do things correct, but listen this, i have installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Linuxmint 13 Cinnamon (that uses also ubuntu repos) and i have not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> added any new repos and i have faac available to install.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Couldnt developers in mageia put these kind of packages simply in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-free repository (at least until isnt found a better solution) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No! We do know, others (Ubuntu in this case) do not care about such
+</I>&gt;<i> legal/licensing issues, but we do.
+</I>&gt;<i> So only because someone else does jump off a building do you jump as well?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hum; we can also have another viewpoint:
+So only because some countries have strange laws about patents and 
+copywright the rest of the planet should follow-on!
+
+just a constatation; not pointing at or bashing anyone.
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+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3-2.patch?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3-2.patch?view=markup</A>
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3.patch?revision=260507&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3.patch?revision=260507&amp;view=markup</A>
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+Since we do have lib64db5.1-5.1.25 in Mga2, should we add them to the 
+Mga2 python package as well?
+Or are they not needed in Mga2?
+
+Oliver
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+&gt;<i> No clue what needs changing to make it work now. Thinking maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> policykit or similar?
+</I>
+Enabled it in polkit and upgraded to 0.106. It isn't building as it has
+changed the config files to javascript.. so the custom Mageia things
+have to be redone :-(
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+Left it for now.
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+Btw: had no maintainer (I'm not interested).
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+    <B>Antoine Pitrou</B> 
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+Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+wrote:
+&gt;<i> While looking into the Mageia2 python package I noticed we do have those 
+</I>&gt;<i> berkley db patches in the cauldron package we don't have in the Mga2 one:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3-2.patch?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3-2.patch?view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3.patch?revision=260507&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3.patch?revision=260507&amp;view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Since we do have lib64db5.1-5.1.25 in Mga2, should we add them to the 
+</I>&gt;<i> Mga2 python package as well?
+</I>&gt;<i> Or are they not needed in Mga2?
+</I>
+Sorry, I don't know anything about the bsddb bindings. Furthermore, they
+are not really maintained anymore, users are recommended to use pybsddb
+instead:
+<A HREF="http://pypi.python.org/pypi/bsddb3/">http://pypi.python.org/pypi/bsddb3/</A>
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+Regards
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+Antoine.
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+    <B>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad</B> 
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+Now, I have a problem with davfs2.
+In the fstab, I have :
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://my_web_dav">https://my_web_dav</A>  /mnt/dav_org davfs2 noauto,user,uid=500,no_netdev 0 0
+</I>I do :
+&gt;<i> mount /mnt/dav_org/
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+And the computer say :
+&gt;<i> Please enter the username to authenticate with server
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://my_web_dav">https://my_web_dav</A> or hit enter for none.
+</I>&gt;<i>   Username: siaud
+</I>&gt;<i> Please enter the password to authenticate user siaud with server
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://my_web_dav">https://my_web_dav</A> or hit enter for none.
+</I>&gt;<i>   Password:
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin/mount.davfs2: Mounting failed.
+</I>&gt;<i> SSL handshake failed: SSL disabled due to library version mismatch
+</I>
+
+-- 
+Amicalement vOOotre              Troumad Alias Bernard SIAUD
+mon site : <A HREF="http://troumad.org">http://troumad.org</A> : AD&amp;D maths WEB...
+Pour la libert&#233; <A HREF="http://www.developpez.net/forums/f17/systemes/linux/">http://www.developpez.net/forums/f17/systemes/linux/</A> 
+N'envoyez que des documents avec des formats ouverts, comme 
+<A HREF="http://fr.libreoffice.org">http://fr.libreoffice.org</A>
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:01:53 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver Burger&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While looking into the Mageia2 python package I noticed we do have those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> berkley db patches in the cauldron package we don't have in the Mga2 one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3-2.patch?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3-2.patch?view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3.patch?revision=260507&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3.patch?revision=260507&amp;view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since we do have lib64db5.1-5.1.25 in Mga2, should we add them to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mga2 python package as well?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or are they not needed in Mga2?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, I don't know anything about the bsddb bindings. Furthermore, they
+</I>&gt;<i> are not really maintained anymore, users are recommended to use pybsddb
+</I>&gt;<i> instead:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pypi.python.org/pypi/bsddb3/">http://pypi.python.org/pypi/bsddb3/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>As I see it, we don't have bsddb3 in the repos, someone should import 
+it. I can look at it in the next days.
+
+But when the bindings are not supported upstream (I read something along 
+those lines, while looking at those patches), I won't backport them to 
+the Mga2 (and perhaps Mga1 as well?) package.
+I will just backport the security related patches from the cauldron 
+package then.
+
+Oliver
+
+-- 
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
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+Mageia contributor
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+<PRE>On 19 June 2012 14:01, Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> While looking into the Mageia2 python package I noticed we do have those
+</I>&gt;<i> berkley db patches in the cauldron package we don't have in the Mga2 one:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3-2.patch?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3-2.patch?view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3.patch?revision=260507&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3.patch?revision=260507&amp;view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since we do have lib64db5.1-5.1.25 in Mga2, should we add them to the Mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> python package as well?
+</I>&gt;<i> Or are they not needed in Mga2?
+</I>
+They're not.
+I added them in cauldron in order to rebuild against db52
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+&gt;<i> On 19 June 2012 14:01, Oliver Burger&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While looking into the Mageia2 python package I noticed we do have those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> berkley db patches in the cauldron package we don't have in the Mga2 one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3-2.patch?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3-2.patch?view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3.patch?revision=260507&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SOURCES/Python-2.7.1-berkeley-db-5.3.patch?revision=260507&amp;view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since we do have lib64db5.1-5.1.25 in Mga2, should we add them to the Mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> python package as well?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or are they not needed in Mga2?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They're not.
+</I>&gt;<i> I added them in cauldron in order to rebuild against db52
+</I>Ok, thanks!
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and jpbfree at 19/06/12 12:54 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 19/06/2012 13:26, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 19.06.2012 13:21, schrieb Simple w:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/19 Sander Lepik&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 19.06.2012 03:29, Philippe DIDIER kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nevertheless, until it's done and good there's no solution to work on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mp4 or mpa or aac files with Mageia2 ... and certainly won't either
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with Mageia3 ... people who need that will go elsewhere.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, we really can't hold them back. Can we? :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes we could :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We would just need to add these packages. I see that Mageia developers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> want to do things correct, but listen this, i have installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Linuxmint 13 Cinnamon (that uses also ubuntu repos) and i have not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> added any new repos and i have faac available to install.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Couldnt developers in mageia put these kind of packages simply in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> non-free repository (at least until isnt found a better solution) ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No! We do know, others (Ubuntu in this case) do not care about such
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> legal/licensing issues, but we do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So only because someone else does jump off a building do you jump as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> well?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hum; we can also have another viewpoint:
+</I>&gt;<i> So only because some countries have strange laws about patents and
+</I>&gt;<i> copywright the rest of the planet should follow-on!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> just a constatation; not pointing at or bashing anyone.
+</I>
+Without wanting to complain, this has been discussed several times before.
+
+We do support installing things that have patent issues. THis is the
+whole point of the &quot;tainted&quot; repository. You can do this if you like.
+
+However we also want to ensure that people who care about Free Software
+are also catered for, so anything that is distributed under a non-free
+licence is shipped in the non-free repository.
+
+The problem specifically with faac is that it is both non-free *AND*
+tainted.
+
+AFAIK, this is the only bit of software that we even half way want to
+ship that falls into this category. As it's unmaintained and old, I do
+not think that setting up a fourth repository (and when we setup up a
+fourth repository it's actually five more internally: release, updates,
+updates_testing, backports, backports_testing)
+
+Doing this is a lot of work.
+
+For one package, I personally feel we've got better things to spend our
+time on. For the handful of people that really want this package, they
+can rebuild it themselves. There are enough guides out there detailing
+how to do this.
+
+I think it is a far better strategy generally that the effort that could
+have been spend implementing and supporting this very special case would
+rather be focussed on ensuring that the ffmpeg aac encoding support
+works as needed and port applications relying on the faac to use ffmpeg
+instead. It does seem to be under active development:
+<A HREF="http://git.videolan.org/?p=ffmpeg.git;a=history;f=libavcodec/aacenc.c;hb=HEAD">http://git.videolan.org/?p=ffmpeg.git;a=history;f=libavcodec/aacenc.c;hb=HEAD</A>
+
+The latest ffmpeg was released just a few days ago. Has anyone actually
+investigated the aac encoding capabilities it has?
+
+This is the most recent discussion I could find:
+<A HREF="http://ffmpeg-users.933282.n4.nabble.com/Choosing-between-experimental-libavcodec-aac-or-faac-encoders-td4347417.html">http://ffmpeg-users.933282.n4.nabble.com/Choosing-between-experimental-libavcodec-aac-or-faac-encoders-td4347417.html</A>
+
+Seems like it would be very much worth looking at the native ffmpeg one IMO.
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
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+Cannot open /dev/input/eventX: Permission denied
+Cannot open /dev/input/eventX: Permission denied
+Cannot open /dev/input/eventX: Permission denied
+Cannot open /dev/input/eventX: Permission denied
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+Now that Seamonkey 2.10.1 has been released, I made new RPMs for Mageia
+2. Usual suspects can be found at <A HREF="http://voguemerry.com/mageia/2/">http://voguemerry.com/mageia/2/</A> . I
+may do a release for Mageia 1 under <A HREF="http://voguemerry.com/mageia/1">http://voguemerry.com/mageia/1</A> if I
+have time to reinstall this version.
+
+Eric
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+PS: and yes, I still hope someone can grab my work and take
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+    <B>Simple w</B> 
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+<PRE>2012/6/19 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and jpbfree at 19/06/12 12:54 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 19/06/2012 13:26, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 19.06.2012 13:21, schrieb Simple w:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/19 Sander Lepik&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 19.06.2012 03:29, Philippe DIDIER kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nevertheless, until it's done and good there's no solution to work on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mp4 or mpa or aac files with Mageia2 ... and certainly won't either
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with Mageia3 ... people who need that will go elsewhere.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, we really can't hold them back. Can we? :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes we could :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We would just need to add these packages. I see that Mageia developers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> want to do things correct, but listen this, i have installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Linuxmint 13 Cinnamon (that uses also ubuntu repos) and i have not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> added any new repos and i have faac available to install.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Couldnt developers in mageia put these kind of packages simply in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> non-free repository (at least until isnt found a better solution) ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No! We do know, others (Ubuntu in this case) do not care about such
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> legal/licensing issues, but we do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So only because someone else does jump off a building do you jump as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> well?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hum; we can also have another viewpoint:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So only because some countries have strange laws about patents and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> copywright the rest of the planet should follow-on!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just a constatation; not pointing at or bashing anyone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Without wanting to complain, this has been discussed several times before.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We do support installing things that have patent issues. THis is the
+</I>&gt;<i> whole point of the &quot;tainted&quot; repository. You can do this if you like.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However we also want to ensure that people who care about Free Software
+</I>&gt;<i> are also catered for, so anything that is distributed under a non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> licence is shipped in the non-free repository.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem specifically with faac is that it is both non-free *AND*
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> AFAIK, this is the only bit of software that we even half way want to
+</I>&gt;<i> ship that falls into this category. As it's unmaintained and old, I do
+</I>&gt;<i> not think that setting up a fourth repository (and when we setup up a
+</I>&gt;<i> fourth repository it's actually five more internally: release, updates,
+</I>&gt;<i> updates_testing, backports, backports_testing)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doing this is a lot of work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For one package, I personally feel we've got better things to spend our
+</I>&gt;<i> time on. For the handful of people that really want this package, they
+</I>&gt;<i> can rebuild it themselves. There are enough guides out there detailing
+</I>&gt;<i> how to do this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it is a far better strategy generally that the effort that could
+</I>&gt;<i> have been spend implementing and supporting this very special case would
+</I>&gt;<i> rather be focussed on ensuring that the ffmpeg aac encoding support
+</I>&gt;<i> works as needed and port applications relying on the faac to use ffmpeg
+</I>&gt;<i> instead. It does seem to be under active development:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://git.videolan.org/?p=ffmpeg.git;a=history;f=libavcodec/aacenc.c;hb=HEAD">http://git.videolan.org/?p=ffmpeg.git;a=history;f=libavcodec/aacenc.c;hb=HEAD</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The latest ffmpeg was released just a few days ago. Has anyone actually
+</I>&gt;<i> investigated the aac encoding capabilities it has?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is the most recent discussion I could find:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ffmpeg-users.933282.n4.nabble.com/Choosing-between-experimental-libavcodec-aac-or-faac-encoders-td4347417.html">http://ffmpeg-users.933282.n4.nabble.com/Choosing-between-experimental-libavcodec-aac-or-faac-encoders-td4347417.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems like it would be very much worth looking at the native ffmpeg one IMO.
+</I>
+As always Colin interventions are quite clarifying.
+
+But i thought there were more software like this, like for example
+there was in mandriva PLF, but the main issue is that severall
+applications continue depending on faac to encode and untill those
+apps dont change users will be stuck.
+
+Wouldnt be possible for someone put these software build in some
+third-party repo (untill the apps that need faac change)?
+That way users wouldnt be stuck and would be able to handle
+video/audio encodes in Mageia.
+
+&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+&gt;<i> As always Colin interventions are quite clarifying.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But i thought there were more software like this, like for example
+</I>&gt;<i> there was in mandriva PLF
+</I>Most of this software is in nonfree or tainted.
+&gt;<i> Wouldnt be possible for someone put these software build in some
+</I>&gt;<i> third-party repo (untill the apps that need faac change)?
+</I>You can always create that repo if you wish.
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+&gt;<i> 19.06.2012 17:41, Simple w kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As always Colin interventions are quite clarifying.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But i thought there were more software like this, like for example
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there was in mandriva PLF
+</I>&gt;<i> Most of this software is in nonfree or tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wouldnt be possible for someone put these software build in some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> third-party repo (untill the apps that need faac change)?
+</I>&gt;<i> You can always create that repo if you wish.
+</I>
+I thought about building faac and rebuild gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
+but atm in Mageia building faac doesnt seams to be possible, build
+breaks.
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+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
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+&gt;<i> So for some unexplained reason it segfaults and I have to start it
+</I>&gt;<i> again.
+</I>
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+2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>
+Nice. I've always wondered how oe get a backtrace.
+I'll save this in my hints file. :-)=
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+    <B>Robert Fox</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 19 June 2012 16:01, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So for some unexplained reason it segfaults and I have to start it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; again.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) install perl-debug glibc-debug perl-Glib-debug perl-Gtk2-debug
+</I>&gt;<i> gtk2.0-debug gdb
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>&gt;<i> 5) paste the backtrace in a text file you'll _attach_ to a bug report
+</I>
+Thanks for that Thierry - before I go through the trouble, it would be
+helpful to know if this problem is affecting more than myself.  I don't
+have the debug repository set-up on this machine and it would take some
+time because I am traveling right now and don't have a good connection.
+
+Also, it looks like this bug could be the same:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6138">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6138</A>
+
+Anyone else experiencing such a problem??
+
+Thx,
+Robert
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+    <B>Anssi Hannula</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 2012/6/17 Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (@shlomif, sorry for double post, I sent the previous one from an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unsubscribed address)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 06.06.2012 21:50, shlomif kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : libbsd                       Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 0.3.0                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 4.mga3                        Build Date: Wed Jun  6 20:50:30 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group       : Development/C                 Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size        : 105088                           License: BSD and ISC and Copyright only and Public Domain
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/">http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary     : Library providing BSD-compatible functions for portability
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libbsd provides useful functions commonly found on BSD systems, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lacking on others like GNU systems, thus making it easier to port
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> projects with strong BSD origins, without needing to embed the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> code over and over again on each project.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt; 0.3.0-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 256602
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Correct the devel package Group
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Correct the group
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Bump the release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Fix the man pages globs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   + kamil &lt;kamil&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     - imported package libbsd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We already have a libbsd.a from glibc. This package will cause software
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> being linked with &quot;-lbsd&quot; to be linked against libbsd.so of libbsd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package instead of libbsd.a of glibc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why do we need this?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Its needed for bumblebee.
+</I>&gt;<i> I remember you saying this when i asked you to review bumblebee
+</I>&gt;<i> packages and i explained you why was needed.
+</I>
+It seems I was a bit unclear. I meant &quot;Why is it needed by bumblebee and
+why is glibc's libbsd.a not enough?&quot;
+
+In any case, the packaging issue needs to be fixed by a library removal
+or a rename.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> We need to either rename or drop one of them (libbsd or libbsd.a from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> glibc), otherwise this will cause bad linking behavior.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I raised this originally in my libbsd.spec review at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-April/014102.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-April/014102.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I hope the other points in the above review have been addressed (haven't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> checked yet).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
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+-- 
+Anssi Hannula
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+    <B>Philippe DIDIER</B> 
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+<PRE>Simple w a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/19 Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 19.06.2012 17:41, Simple w kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As always Colin interventions are quite clarifying.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But i thought there were more software like this, like for example
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> there was in mandriva PLF
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Most of this software is in nonfree or tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Wouldnt be possible for someone put these software build in some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> third-party repo (untill the apps that need faac change)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can always create that repo if you wish.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I thought about building faac and rebuild gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
+</I>&gt;<i> but atm in Mageia building faac doesnt seams to be possible, build
+</I>&gt;<i> breaks.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>blogdrake provides faac libfaac libfaac-devel for mageia2
+
+<A HREF="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia2/free/">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia2/free/</A>
+
+
+you can use and modify the spec file from their srpm if you want to
+package faac yourself
+
+You can download the srpms from mageia2 for vlc quicktime gstreamer
+audiokonverter xine mplayer ffmpeg etc... and rebuild the packages after
+having validated the build with faac in the spec files...
+
+after having installed the buildrequires for each of them...
+
+If you need handbrake or cinerella you will have to write yourself the
+spec files
+
+The answer seems to be do it yourself !!!! (that's a repo for nearly 10
+programs built with faac)
+
+
+Waiting for a solution from Mageia, I kept my Mandriva 2010.2 on the
+computer (with plf rpms),  beside Mageia, to work on multimedia files !
+I know now that it seems to be a definite no go !!!
+after having been told several times to wait for a new discussion about
+non-free+tainted repo, I hear now that we have to wait until programs
+are ported to libvoaacenc
+
+Don't know if I'm gonna struggle anymore ...
+
+
+To Sander who replied to me :
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Nevertheless, until it's done and good there's no solution to work on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mp4 or mpa or aac files with Mageia2 ... and certainly  won't either
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with Mageia3 ... people who need that will go elsewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, we really can't hold them back. Can we? :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>
+Sorry I surrender !
+
+
+Philippe
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+    <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B> 
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+<PRE>2012/6/18 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 14/06/12 22:25 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Crediting patchs from others by only mentionning the source
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (i.e. Mandriva, Fedora, XBMC, ...) is not enough IMHO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we want to give proper credits, we should also mention the author of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the patch.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It doesn't say we don't give credit to the patch author. &#160;It just says in our
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package changelog (a.k.a. our SVN commit messages), you mention where you got
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the patch from, because at that level you want to be concise and that's a much
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> more useful piece of information.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It says that we prefer to mention &quot;source&quot; over &quot;author&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's not good enough IMHO if we want to be ok with credits.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The &quot;source&quot; is not the one retaining the copyright on a change, only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the author owns this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And mentionning an author's name is the minimum reward when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cherry-picking a change.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well IMO, this is a trade off that relates to practical usefulness.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The options for the commit message are:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;1. Mention the source
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;2. Mention the author
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;3. Mention both source+author
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMO 3 is too verbose for package changelogs, but I agree it would be
+</I>&gt;<i> nice to be able to do this if it were made concise.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also think that 2 is not ideal as this would then make it harder to
+</I>&gt;<i> record the source. We'd either have to write a comment in the spec above
+</I>&gt;<i> the PatchNN: line or put something into the patch itself to indicate the
+</I>&gt;<i> source. This is typically a good idea anyway (I try to put any fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> patches etc. in their own little section of the spec). If patches are
+</I>&gt;<i> generated from git then you don't really want to add unmanaged extra
+</I>&gt;<i> info in the patch file as when it is regenerated, this information would
+</I>&gt;<i> be lost.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The opposite is not true - if option 1 were picked, then the author
+</I>&gt;<i> would typically be included already in the patch itself if it is a git
+</I>&gt;<i> formatted patch. I accept this is not always the case, so this isn't a
+</I>&gt;<i> fool-proof alternative.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, in the end, I'm not against mentioning the author directly in commit
+</I>&gt;<i> messages, but I think it's somewhat impractical and thus it is my
+</I>&gt;<i> opinion that it should not be in the message.
+</I>Then you're mixing two different things, this thing was about credting
+authors, right?
+But now you're replacing it with practical value in changelogs, which
+is an entirely different issue about a totally different subject!
+If you want to actually credit the person doing the work, then you
+need to credit the actual authors of the work itself, a distribution
+is certainly not what to be creditting itself for the work done by
+others, they were the ones who put the distribution together, not the
+distribution who put them together (lacking consciousness, thus no
+assurance needs to fill, desire for recognition not possible).
+If you're going to push this argument a bit further, for anything else
+of software in the distribution that we've packaged with it, neither
+would the authors of this software be the ones to be creditted for
+their work, but rather the distribution carrying it!
+
+So if in Mandriva, we'd actually were to fully recognize your
+arguments adopt this policy which you propose for Mageia iin Mandriva
+again, we'd have to start mess with all the rest of the software we
+ship to make sure that it credits Mandriva as we're carrying their
+work (I'd veto against this, no matter what anyone else might try
+propose and pushing)!
+And while I myself actually don't wanna meddle in Mageia's businiss
+(despite mine being meddled in first), I *really* don't think Mageia
+should do so either..
+
+And I *really* hope that this extremely bizarre example illustrates
+for you that it's not even remotely far out at all.
+
+I just find this awkward, and not on my part, so I'll just leave it
+with that.. :|
+
+--
+Getta grip,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+    <B>Agron Selimaj</B> 
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">robert.wood at apostrophe.co.uk</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I am [hopefully] now going to have a bit more spare time as my workload is
+</I>&gt;<i> starting to lessen and it would be worth sorting out a mentor for me. I am
+</I>&gt;<i> in the UK.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Rob
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 14/06/12 06:41, Simple w wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/13 Anne Nicolas&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>  Hi :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Im not understanding how this goes, who should i contact to know who
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can mentor me?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I see that Sandro proposed to mentor and also Shlomi Fish said that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> could also do it but i havent received any mail in my account saying
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that the mentoring process has started, or its me who needs to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> something?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mentoring is based on volunteers and their free time. So be patient
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have all bumblebee (its dependencies) all packaged, i did asked
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi sometime ago to check them, and he did but there were some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> changes to do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Meanwhile i have updated the packages so i ask if someone could review
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Pedro
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>Hey Sandro,
+
+I looked as some packages that have no maintainer and I think uDev and Wine
+are some technologies that have fascinated me in Linux. I would like to
+take one of them over. What do you think?
+
+BTW, if you are too busy at this time I can always wait or look for another
+mentor to help me out if you say so. So far I have seen the good intention
+that you want to mentor but you haven't had the time to even say 'hi'.
+
+//Agron
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+&gt;<i> dams &lt;dams&gt; 0.4.13-3.mga3:
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+</I>&gt;<i> - update icon for a better render
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 19 juni 2012 22:31:37 schreef Agron Selimaj:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> Hey Sandro,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I looked as some packages that have no maintainer and I think uDev and Wine
+</I>&gt;<i> are some technologies that have fascinated me in Linux. I would like to
+</I>&gt;<i> take one of them over. What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, if you are too busy at this time I can always wait or look for another
+</I>&gt;<i> mentor to help me out if you say so. So far I have seen the good intention
+</I>&gt;<i> that you want to mentor but you haven't had the time to even say 'hi'.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> //Agron
+</I>
+Just a small note: udev is now inside systemd, and that already has a 
+maintainer
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+    <B>Simple w</B> 
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+<PRE>2012/6/19 Philippe DIDIER &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/19 Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 19.06.2012 17:41, Simple w kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As always Colin interventions are quite clarifying.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But i thought there were more software like this, like for example
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> there was in mandriva PLF
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Most of this software is in nonfree or tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Wouldnt be possible for someone put these software build in some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> third-party repo (untill the apps that need faac change)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You can always create that repo if you wish.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I thought about building faac and rebuild gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but atm in Mageia building faac doesnt seams to be possible, build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> breaks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> blogdrake provides faac libfaac libfaac-devel for mageia2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia2/free/">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia2/free/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you can use and modify the spec file from their srpm if you want to
+</I>&gt;<i> package faac yourself
+</I>
+I have tried building faac, but the problem is i use Mageia Cauldron,
+and faac does not build in cauldron:
+
+/usr/include/string.h:369:28: error: ambiguates old declaration &#8216;const
+char* strcasestr(const char*, const char*)&#8217;
+
+Colin even pointed a website that referred a solution to this and in
+fact let the build go further but still broke.
+
+So for who uses cauldron like me is stuck regarding faac use, of
+course some developer could investigate this and could build faac and
+put it available in some third party repo...
+
+
+&gt;<i> You can download the srpms from mageia2 for vlc quicktime gstreamer
+</I>&gt;<i> audiokonverter xine mplayer ffmpeg etc... and rebuild the packages after
+</I>&gt;<i> having validated the build with faac in the spec files...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> after having installed the buildrequires for each of them...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you need handbrake or cinerella you will have to write yourself the
+</I>&gt;<i> spec files
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The answer seems to be do it yourself !!!! (that's a repo for nearly 10
+</I>&gt;<i> programs built with faac)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Waiting for a solution from Mageia, I kept my Mandriva 2010.2 on the
+</I>&gt;<i> computer (with plf rpms), &#160;beside Mageia, to work on multimedia files !
+</I>&gt;<i> I know now that it seems to be a definite no go !!!
+</I>&gt;<i> after having been told several times to wait for a new discussion about
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free+tainted repo, I hear now that we have to wait until programs
+</I>&gt;<i> are ported to libvoaacenc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't know if I'm gonna struggle anymore ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To Sander who replied to me :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nevertheless, until it's done and good there's no solution to work on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mp4 or mpa or aac files with Mageia2 ... and certainly &#160;won't either
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with Mageia3 ... people who need that will go elsewhere.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, we really can't hold them back. Can we? :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry I surrender !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Philippe
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 19 juni 2012 22:31:37 schreef Agron Selimaj:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hey Sandro,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I looked as some packages that have no maintainer and I think uDev and Wine
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are some technologies that have fascinated me in Linux. I would like to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> take one of them over. What do you think?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, if you are too busy at this time I can always wait or look for another
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mentor to help me out if you say so. So far I have seen the good intention
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that you want to mentor but you haven't had the time to even say 'hi'.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> //Agron
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a small note: udev is now inside systemd, and that already has a
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainer
+</I>
+but &quot;help&quot; is welcome anyway
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+    <B>Malo Deni&#233;lou</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I am [hopefully] now going to have a bit more spare time as my workload
+</I>&gt;<i> is starting to lessen and it would be worth sorting out a mentor for me.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am in the UK.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Rob
+</I>
+Hey Rob, please register on
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager</A>
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+Cheers,
+-- 
+Malo
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+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; So for some unexplained reason it segfaults and I have to start it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1) install perl-debug glibc-debug perl-Glib-debug perl-Gtk2-debug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gtk2.0-debug gdb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 5) paste the backtrace in a text file you'll _attach_ to a bug report
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for that Thierry - before I go through the trouble, it would be
+</I>&gt;<i> helpful to know if this problem is affecting more than myself. &#160;I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> have the debug repository set-up on this machine and it would take some
+</I>&gt;<i> time because I am traveling right now and don't have a good connection.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, it looks like this bug could be the same:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6138">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6138</A>
+</I>
+No it'sn't.
+Yours is a segfault, this one is a crash
+
+You'll have to open a BR and provide the backtrace...
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This package shouldn't have been imported. It was already present as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;muparser&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess/hope it's imported like this because muparser 1.34 broke scidavis &amp;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> qwplot so we stick to 1.32
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If it was reimported for this reason, then muparser / muParser names are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> confusing. If muparser 1.32 should be kept for some reason in parrallel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with newer versions, I think the package should be renamed to muparser1.32
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup +1 here. muParser is against our packaging guidelines for package
+</I>&gt;<i> names anyway.
+</I>
+To prevent this to happen again &amp; again, it would be nice if mgarepo import
+would refuse to import such packages with upcase letters...
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+&gt;<i> On 20 June 2012 01:37, dams &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dams &lt;dams&gt; 0.4.13-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 262020
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update icon for a better render
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add 'fltk-devel' as BuildRequires
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add patchs from fedora to fix mga#6466
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That is?
+</I>
+If you check spec file, there were no patchs before.
+So, easy to see that they all come from fedora. :-)
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+Or perhaps &quot;That is?&quot; was for anything else?
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+&gt;<i> Le 20/06/2012 07:24, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 20 June 2012 01:37, dams &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dams &lt;dams&gt; 0.4.13-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 262020
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - update icon for a better render
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add 'fltk-devel' as BuildRequires
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add patchs from fedora to fix mga#6466
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That is?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you check spec file, there were no patchs before.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, easy to see that they all come from fedora. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or perhaps &quot;That is?&quot; was for anything else?
+</I>
+this was more for &quot;what is bug 6466?&quot;.
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+This is better to explain shortly what the bugs are about instead of
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Damien Lallement &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at damsweb.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 20/06/2012 07:24, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 20 June 2012 01:37, dams &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dams &lt;dams&gt; 0.4.13-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 262020
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - update icon for a better render
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add 'fltk-devel' as BuildRequires
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add patchs from fedora to fix mga#6466
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That is?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you check spec file, there were no patchs before.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, easy to see that they all come from fedora. :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or perhaps &quot;That is?&quot; was for anything else?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this was more for &quot;what is bug 6466?&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is better to explain shortly what the bugs are about instead of
+</I>&gt;<i> just adding the bug number.
+</I>
+Ok, thank you father. :-)
+So, do I need to propedit my previous commit or &quot;nevermind&quot;?
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+    <B>Simple w</B> 
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+In gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad  we have:
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+%define build_amrwb	0
+%define build_faac	0
+%define build_faad	1
+%define build_xvid	1
+%define build_dts	1
+%endif
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+about faac was already discussed, but i dont understand why amrwb
+wasnt packaged so that apps can be build against it, it exists in svn,
+could anyone please clarify?
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+I see that amrwd doesnt have the same problems that faac has, so it
+could easily go to the non-free repository since its under a
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+<PRE>Am 20.06.2012 12:45, schrieb Simple w:
+&gt;<i> about faac was already discussed, but i dont understand why amrwb
+</I>&gt;<i> wasnt packaged so that apps can be build against it, it exists in svn,
+</I>&gt;<i> could anyone please clarify?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I see that amrwd doesnt have the same problems that faac has, so it
+</I>&gt;<i> could easily go to the non-free repository since its under a
+</I>&gt;<i> commercial license.
+</I>According to wikipedia it's patented as well. So it's the same issue.
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+Oliver
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+    <B>Simple w</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Am 20.06.2012 12:45, schrieb Simple w:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about faac was already discussed, but i dont understand why amrwb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wasnt packaged so that apps can be build against it, it exists in svn,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could anyone please clarify?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I see that amrwd doesnt have the same problems that faac has, so it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could easily go to the non-free repository since its under a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> commercial license.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> According to wikipedia it's patented as well. So it's the same issue.
+</I>
+Appears to be different from faac case, because this one doesnt have a
+GPL license, so it could be in non-free repository.
+This is whats in COPYING:
+
+The 3GPP TS 26.204 V 10.0.0 reference code has a commercial license.
+
+To use package compiled by this code, you may need a license from
+3GPP/Via Licensing.
+
+The wrapper code is released under BSD-3 style license:
+
+Copyright (c) 2012, Stanislav Brabec
+All rights reserved.
+
+Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
+modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:
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+* Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this
+list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
+
+* Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice,
+this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation
+and/or other materials provided with the distribution.
+
+* Neither the name of the Novell nor the names of its contributors may be
+used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without
+specific prior written permission.
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+&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> 2012/6/20 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 20.06.2012 12:45, schrieb Simple w:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> about faac was already discussed, but i dont understand why amrwb
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wasnt packaged so that apps can be build against it, it exists in svn,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> could anyone please clarify?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I see that amrwd doesnt have the same problems that faac has, so it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> could easily go to the non-free repository since its under a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> commercial license.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> According to wikipedia it's patented as well. So it's the same issue.
+</I>&gt;<i> Appears to be different from faac case, because this one doesnt have a
+</I>&gt;<i> GPL license, so it could be in non-free repository.
+</I>How does it differ if it's patented?
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Appears to be different from faac case, because this one doesnt have a
+</I>&gt;<i> GPL license, so it could be in non-free repository.
+</I>The issue with faac is not, that it's partly GPL, the problem is, it's 
+partly nonfree.
+Packages that are _pure_ OpenSource and patented are going into tainted.
+Packages that are non-free and not patented are going into nonfree.
+But this is nonfree and patented, unless someeone can prove me and 
+wikipedia wrong.
+So it's a no-go.
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+&gt;<i> 2012/6/20 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Am 20.06.2012 12:45, schrieb Simple w:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; about faac was already discussed, but i dont understand why amrwb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; wasnt packaged so that apps can be build against it, it exists in svn,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; could anyone please clarify?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I see that amrwd doesnt have the same problems that faac has, so it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; could easily go to the non-free repository since its under a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; commercial license.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; According to wikipedia it's patented as well. So it's the same issue.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Appears to be different from faac case, because this one doesnt have a
+</I>&gt;<i> GPL license, so it could be in non-free repository.
+</I>
+It seems the license doesn't allow distribution of compiled versions,
+so it's not suitable for nonfree repository.
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+    <B>Claire Robinson</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Am 20.06.2012 13:45, schrieb Simple w:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Appears to be different from faac case, because this one doesnt have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> GPL license, so it could be in non-free repository.
+</I>&gt;<i> The issue with faac is not, that it's partly GPL, the problem is, it's
+</I>&gt;<i> partly nonfree.
+</I>&gt;<i> Packages that are _pure_ OpenSource and patented are going into tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i> Packages that are non-free and not patented are going into nonfree.
+</I>&gt;<i> But this is nonfree and patented, unless someeone can prove me and
+</I>&gt;<i> wikipedia wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i> So it's a no-go.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't want to add fuel to the fire but just out of interest, why is it 
+that we don't allow nonfree-tainted in Tainted?
+
+I understand that open source purists may not want it but are we 
+catering to a minority and ignoring a majority?
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+Claire
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Am 20.06.2012 13:45, schrieb Simple w:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Appears to be different from faac case, because this one doesnt have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> GPL license, so it could be in non-free repository.
+</I>&gt;<i> The issue with faac is not, that it's partly GPL, the problem is, it's 
+</I>&gt;<i> partly nonfree.
+</I>&gt;<i> Packages that are _pure_ OpenSource and patented are going into tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i> Packages that are non-free and not patented are going into nonfree.
+</I>&gt;<i> But this is nonfree and patented, unless someeone can prove me and 
+</I>&gt;<i> wikipedia wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i> So it's a no-go.
+</I>
+Actually we are not allowed to distribute this program without signing
+an agreement with them :
+<A HREF="http://www.voiceage.com/openinit_amrwb_eula.php">http://www.voiceage.com/openinit_amrwb_eula.php</A>
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+So the only suitable repository would be the &quot;copyright-violations&quot;
+repository.
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+&gt;<i> I don't want to add fuel to the fire but just out of interest, why is it
+</I>&gt;<i> that we don't allow nonfree-tainted in Tainted?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand that open source purists may not want it but are we
+</I>&gt;<i> catering to a minority and ignoring a majority?
+</I>Well, above all we are an OpenSource project and one of our most central 
+values being an OpenSource project is promoting OpenSource software.
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+Oliver
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+-- 
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
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+&gt;<i> I don't want to add fuel to the fire but just out of interest, why is it
+</I>&gt;<i> that we don't allow nonfree-tainted in Tainted?
+</I>Heaven ! You would violate the fondemental rule that says 'thou should 
+not put in a subdirectory called &quot;tainted&quot; any package whose license is 
+not a trully and pure open-source one, because poor unaware end-users 
+could be contaminated by such filth and corruption'.
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #189:
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+&gt;<i> On 20/06/12 13:05, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 20.06.2012 13:45, schrieb Simple w:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Appears to be different from faac case, because this one doesnt have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> GPL license, so it could be in non-free repository.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The issue with faac is not, that it's partly GPL, the problem is, it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> partly nonfree.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packages that are _pure_ OpenSource and patented are going into tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packages that are non-free and not patented are going into nonfree.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But this is nonfree and patented, unless someeone can prove me and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wikipedia wrong.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So it's a no-go.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't want to add fuel to the fire but just out of interest, why is it 
+</I>&gt;<i> that we don't allow nonfree-tainted in Tainted?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand that open source purists may not want it but are we catering 
+</I>&gt;<i> to a minority and ignoring a majority?
+</I>
+So you are saying that someone who wants to have free and nonfree
+software in separate repositories is an open source purist and a
+minority, but you don't want to add fuel to the fire ?
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+    <B>Claire Robinson</B> 
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+&gt;<i> So you are saying that someone who wants to have free and nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> software in separate repositories is an open source purist and a
+</I>&gt;<i> minority, but you don't want to add fuel to the fire ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nope, I was just interested as to the reason. You say purist like it's a 
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 20/06/2012 14:26, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 20.06.2012 14:15, schrieb Claire Robinson:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that we don't allow nonfree-tainted in Tainted?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I understand that open source purists may not want it but are we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> catering to a minority and ignoring a majority?
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, above all we are an OpenSource project and one of our most central
+</I>&gt;<i> values being an OpenSource project is promoting OpenSource software.
+</I>I wonder why you can tolerate stuff as 'automatic skype downloader' or 
+its flash equivalent being in the distribution then.
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+This kind of code need constant efforts on packager side to keep them 
+up-to-date, whereas even the most clueless end user could easily 
+download and install it manually. The ratio between the developper time 
+spent and the added value for end user is quite low.
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+On the other hand, this codec issue is totally obscure for any end user, 
+and the skills needed to rebuild the whole software chain is way out of 
+scope for the average mageia target population.
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+So, it would be far more consistent to either follow the debian way of 
+life, and get rid of flash and skype downloaders, or to make life easier 
+for end-users, just by adding this miserable faac package in less 
+problematic repository.
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #105:
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+UPS interrupted the server's power
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+I just noticed that we do have some starnge package versions:
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at beteigeuze</A> qgis]# urpmf --name -f -m lib64avcodec | sort
+lib64avcodec53-0.10.3-1.mga2.tainted.x86_64:tainted_release
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+So we have libavcodec53 and libavcodec54 in tainted but only 
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+Shouldn't the old libavcodec be removed from tainted as well?
+So my builds won't jump me into the face :D
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+Oliver
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+<PRE>Am 20.06.2012 14:54, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+&gt;<i> Le 20/06/2012 14:26, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 20.06.2012 14:15, schrieb Claire Robinson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't want to add fuel to the fire but just out of interest, why is it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that we don't allow nonfree-tainted in Tainted?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I understand that open source purists may not want it but are we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> catering to a minority and ignoring a majority?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, above all we are an OpenSource project and one of our most central
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> values being an OpenSource project is promoting OpenSource software.
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder why you can tolerate stuff as 'automatic skype downloader' or
+</I>&gt;<i> its flash equivalent being in the distribution then.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This kind of code need constant efforts on packager side to keep them
+</I>&gt;<i> up-to-date, whereas even the most clueless end user could easily
+</I>&gt;<i> download and install it manually. The ratio between the developper time
+</I>&gt;<i> spent and the added value for end user is quite low.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On the other hand, this codec issue is totally obscure for any end user,
+</I>&gt;<i> and the skills needed to rebuild the whole software chain is way out of
+</I>&gt;<i> scope for the average mageia target population.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, it would be far more consistent to either follow the debian way of
+</I>&gt;<i> life, and get rid of flash and skype downloaders, or to make life easier
+</I>&gt;<i> for end-users, just by adding this miserable faac package in less
+</I>&gt;<i> problematic repository.
+</I>Actiually we have two repos containing free software (core and tainted) 
+and one repo conatining nonfree software.
+We have two repos not tainted by patents (core and nonfree) and one 
+other (tainted).
+So either we redefine something about our repos or we add a fourth one 
+or we don't build that kind of software.
+
+Oliver
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+-- 
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
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+Mageia contributor
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Am 20.06.2012 14:54, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 20/06/2012 14:26, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 20.06.2012 14:15, schrieb Claire Robinson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't want to add fuel to the fire but just out of interest, why is it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that we don't allow nonfree-tainted in Tainted?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I understand that open source purists may not want it but are we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> catering to a minority and ignoring a majority?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, above all we are an OpenSource project and one of our most central
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> values being an OpenSource project is promoting OpenSource software.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I wonder why you can tolerate stuff as 'automatic skype downloader' or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> its flash equivalent being in the distribution then.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This kind of code need constant efforts on packager side to keep them
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> up-to-date, whereas even the most clueless end user could easily
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> download and install it manually. The ratio between the developper time
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> spent and the added value for end user is quite low.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On the other hand, this codec issue is totally obscure for any end user,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and the skills needed to rebuild the whole software chain is way out of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> scope for the average mageia target population.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, it would be far more consistent to either follow the debian way of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> life, and get rid of flash and skype downloaders, or to make life easier
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for end-users, just by adding this miserable faac package in less
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problematic repository.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actiually we have two repos containing free software (core and tainted) and
+</I>&gt;<i> one repo conatining nonfree software.
+</I>&gt;<i> We have two repos not tainted by patents (core and nonfree) and one other
+</I>&gt;<i> (tainted).
+</I>&gt;<i> So either we redefine something about our repos or we add a fourth one or we
+</I>&gt;<i> don't build that kind of software.
+</I>
+Maybe we can track of the forbidden packages on the wiki, with the
+reason, and if at some point we list enough non free tainted packages,
+add the media.
+But in this case it is more that non free and tainted, it does not
+allow us to distribute it.
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+<PRE>Le 20/06/2012 15:18, Pascal Terjan a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;<i> Actiually we have two repos containing free software (core and tainted) and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one repo conatining nonfree software.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We have two repos not tainted by patents (core and nonfree) and one other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (tainted).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So either we redefine something about our repos or we add a fourth one or we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't build that kind of software.
+</I>&quot;software with patent issues should go in tainted&quot; doesn't means 
+&quot;software with patent issues should never go elsewhere&quot;. And if this 
+last rule is ever written anywhere, it's time to rediscuss it, with more 
+connection to reality.
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+&gt;<i> Maybe we can track of the forbidden packages on the wiki, with the
+</I>&gt;<i> reason, and if at some point we list enough non free tainted packages,
+</I>&gt;<i> add the media.
+</I>That would be a reasonable solution.
+
+&gt;<i> But in this case it is more that non free and tainted, it does not
+</I>&gt;<i> allow us to distribute it.
+</I>For amrwb, yes. For faac, no.
+
+-- 
+Any circuit design must contain at least one part which is obsolete, two 
+parts which are unobtainable and three parts which are still under 
+development
+		-- Murphy's Laws on Technology n&#176;23
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+    <B>Christiaan Welvaart</B> 
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+&gt;<i> In gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad  we have:
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+</I>&gt;<i> %if %build_plf
+</I>&gt;<i> %define build_amrwb	0
+</I>&gt;<i> %define build_faac	0
+</I>&gt;<i> %define build_faad	1
+</I>&gt;<i> %define build_xvid	1
+</I>&gt;<i> %define build_dts	1
+</I>&gt;<i> %endif
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> about faac was already discussed, but i dont understand why amrwb
+</I>&gt;<i> wasnt packaged so that apps can be build against it, it exists in svn,
+</I>&gt;<i> could anyone please clarify?
+</I>
+We have vo-amrwbenc in tainted, this should be available to 
+applications using gstreamer through ffmpeg (libavcodec).
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+On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Simple w wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I have been running arist-gtk to encode video and almost all presets
+</I>&gt;<i> fail because it needs gstreamer-faac, please see the output:
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Found only 1 preset working so far in arista, seams it uses
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer-faac in almost all presets...
+</I>
+I uploaded a new arista to cauldron that uses vo-aacenc instead of faac. 
+Only tested using commandline arista-transcode so not sure if arista-gtk 
+also works and you likely need to run
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+<PRE>see <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317</A>
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+in short:
+I've provided a patch which does this, but there is discussion about it.
+Since the patch seems to indicate a change of behavior, people there
+requested this be mailed to -dev ML.
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+so, it's about having new dependencies when you're doing updates and those
+dependencies are not in the update media.
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+The way I see it, there 2 opinions:
+A. fetch dependencies only from enabled release/update repositories
+Problems:
+ - patch doesn't exist yet and code complexity is alot higher
+ - if backports are enabled, a dependency fetched from release could
+conflict with other installed (from backports or other). thus the update
+would fail.
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+Solutions for this:
+ - this is not cleanly solvable, we would have to remove the backport.
+
+B. fetch dependencies only from enabled repositories
+Problems:
+ - if backports are enabled, dependencies could come from backports
+instead of release.
+
+Solutions for this:
+ - this can be prevented in various ways: even as simple as the backport
+packager to bump an update with stricter requires so that the backport
+wouldn't be fetched (_IF_ it indeed would be incompatible) AND the update
+could have stricter requires for that new dependency.
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+IMHO, it's very simple: we should choose B because if you have backports
+enabled, you'd want the backport to be pulled for new dependency (IF it
+doesn't conflict).
+
+(in the above i state backports, but it could be any enabled repository,
+like testing, or even 3rd party repos.)
+
+In short, we shouldn't be thinking of cherrypicking backports, and if
+users are trusting repositories, we should be using them.
+
+since QA is waiting for a fix for this for a long time (pre-mga1), we
+should get this fixed asap.
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+PS: since we're enabling backports, we should make sure that the update
+validation process would have one of both required tests for validation
+with backports enabled and the other disabled.
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+iinm, suggests can come from other repositories too.
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+<PRE>21.06.2012 13:35, AL13N kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> B. fetch dependencies only from enabled repositories
+</I>&gt;<i> Problems:
+</I>&gt;<i>  - if backports are enabled, dependencies could come from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Solutions for this:
+</I>&gt;<i>  - this can be prevented in various ways: even as simple as the backport
+</I>&gt;<i> packager to bump an update with stricter requires so that the backport
+</I>&gt;<i> wouldn't be fetched (_IF_ it indeed would be incompatible) AND the update
+</I>&gt;<i> could have stricter requires for that new dependency.
+</I>I still can't see how are you going to solve this case:
+I have backports enabled. There are packages that are newer than the one in release. I
+haven't installed them. Now new update requires such package that is both in release and in
+backports. Update will pull package from enabled backports as they are newer - i didn't want
+that. And you can't just submit new backport that blocks it. Older backports are still
+there. So you can install those if new backport doesn't work for you (the same we have for
+updates at the moment).
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+--
+Sander
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+&gt;<i> 21.06.2012 13:35, AL13N kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> B. fetch dependencies only from enabled repositories
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Problems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  - if backports are enabled, dependencies could come from backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instead of release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Solutions for this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  - this can be prevented in various ways: even as simple as the backport
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packager to bump an update with stricter requires so that the backport
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wouldn't be fetched (_IF_ it indeed would be incompatible) AND the update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could have stricter requires for that new dependency.
+</I>&gt;<i> I still can't see how are you going to solve this case:
+</I>&gt;<i> I have backports enabled. There are packages that are newer than the one in release. I
+</I>&gt;<i> haven't installed them. Now new update requires such package that is both in release and in
+</I>&gt;<i> backports. Update will pull package from enabled backports as they are newer - i didn't want
+</I>&gt;<i> that.
+</I>
+But enabling backport means that you want that, no?
+Otherwise you don't enable backports.
+
+&gt;<i> And you can't just submit new backport that blocks it. Older backports are still
+</I>&gt;<i> there. So you can install those if new backport doesn't work for you (the same we have for
+</I>&gt;<i> updates at the moment).
+</I>
+Cheers,
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+    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> 21.06.2012 13:35, AL13N kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> B. fetch dependencies only from enabled repositories
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Problems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  - if backports are enabled, dependencies could come from backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instead of release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Solutions for this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  - this can be prevented in various ways: even as simple as the backport
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packager to bump an update with stricter requires so that the backport
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wouldn't be fetched (_IF_ it indeed would be incompatible) AND the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could have stricter requires for that new dependency.
+</I>&gt;<i> I still can't see how are you going to solve this case:
+</I>&gt;<i> I have backports enabled. There are packages that are newer than the one
+</I>&gt;<i> in release. I
+</I>&gt;<i> haven't installed them. Now new update requires such package that is both
+</I>&gt;<i> in release and in
+</I>&gt;<i> backports. Update will pull package from enabled backports as they are
+</I>&gt;<i> newer - i didn't want
+</I>&gt;<i> that. And you can't just submit new backport that blocks it. Older
+</I>&gt;<i> backports are still
+</I>&gt;<i> there. So you can install those if new backport doesn't work for you (the
+</I>&gt;<i> same we have for
+</I>&gt;<i> updates at the moment).
+</I>
+IF the update cannot work with the backported new dependency, it should be
+strict required in the update. in that case, the one from release will be
+used.
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+if the update does work with the backport, then i don't see why you
+wouldn't want that, since you enabled backports.
+==&gt; this sounds like cherry-picking backports.
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+in other words, you're advanced enough to find out what you want, because
+i don't think we can support all forms of cherry-picking backports.
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+&gt;<i> IF the update cannot work with the backported new dependency, it should be
+</I>&gt;<i> strict required in the update. in that case, the one from release will be
+</I>&gt;<i> used.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if the update does work with the backport, then i don't see why you
+</I>&gt;<i> wouldn't want that, since you enabled backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> ==&gt; this sounds like cherry-picking backports.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in other words, you're advanced enough to find out what you want, because
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't think we can support all forms of cherry-picking backports.
+</I>Well, AFAIK there is still no stance on backports policy (are we backporting from cauldron
+(n) to n-2 or not - if we do, we break upgradability here!). Cherry-picking backports is
+needed. And i don't think that the packager who is creating update should check all possible
+backports. What if that backport comes into play later? When the update is already released?
+I still think that backports should not be used during updates. And it doesn't make QA work
+any easier here. This is what we are trying to achieve.
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+--
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+&gt;<i> But enabling backport means that you want that, no?
+</I>&gt;<i> Otherwise you don't enable backports.
+</I>Enabling backports means that i might want to cherry-pick some packages from backports. It
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> 21.06.2012 14:25, Malo kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But enabling backport means that you want that, no?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Otherwise you don't enable backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> Enabling backports means that i might want to cherry-pick some packages
+</I>&gt;<i> from backports. It
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't mean i want to enable it as updates media so that all packages
+</I>&gt;<i> from backports would
+</I>&gt;<i> be installed.
+</I>
+since we want to support backports, i see this as the only way to have
+support for backports, either you have all backports, or you don't.
+
+the QA resources required to make cherry-picking be supported is
+uncountably high. and exponentially so.
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+this can never be tested in all combinations.
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+besides, we're talking about people who don't have your skills, they
+either have it enabled or not.
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> 21.06.2012 14:30, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> Well, AFAIK there is still no stance on backports policy (are we
+</I>&gt;<i> backporting from cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> (n) to n-2 or not - if we do, we break upgradability here!).
+</I>&gt;<i> Cherry-picking backports is
+</I>&gt;<i> needed.
+</I>
+This is true, but has to be solved anyway, no bearing on this problem. and
+cherry-picking should not be needed(since it's not supported), so that's a
+different problem.
+
+&gt;<i> And i don't think that the packager who is creating update should
+</I>&gt;<i> check all possible backports.
+</I>
+no, since cherrypicking is not supported, only needs to be test with
+backports and without.
+
+&gt;<i> What if that backport comes into play later? When the update is
+</I>&gt;<i> already released?
+</I>
+then the backport packager needs to make sure his backport works, and
+since he's part of QA (according to policy), he'll need to test with and
+without backports.
+
+&gt;<i> I still think that backports should not be used during updates.
+</I>
+you're free to think so, but with your skills, i'm sure you can make that
+easily happen, like keeping backports disabled, unless you need something.
+
+&gt;<i> And it doesn't make QA work any easier here.
+</I>[...]
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+actually, i think it is easier for QA, because cherry-picking cannot be
+supported, and the backport packager is responsible for his backport
+testing. for updates, only needs to be tested with or without backports.
+so, since they need 2 tests anyway (i586 and x86_64), if one of them is
+with backports enabled and the other is without, it doesn't need any more
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+    <B>Sandro Cazzaniga</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi guys!
+
+I've uploaded a new spec and a new lemonldap-ng a few days ago, and I
+would like backports. Can someone do this? As I centralised all the
+files and perl modules, no dependancies will miss.
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+Thanks!
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
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+<PRE>On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Sandro Cazzaniga
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi guys!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've uploaded a new spec and a new lemonldap-ng a few days ago, and I
+</I>&gt;<i> would like backports. Can someone do this? As I centralised all the
+</I>&gt;<i> files and perl modules, no dependancies will miss.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>
+backports are not yet enabled.
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+    <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20lemonldap-ng&In-Reply-To=%3CCAFLWM9SbHRX1M7wyGWHUO%2Be2dyb5BDB%2B6XRkw9qYcqKcYEshNw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
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+<PRE>2012/6/21 D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi guys!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've uploaded a new spec and a new lemonldap-ng a few days ago, and I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would like backports. Can someone do this? As I centralised all the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> files and perl modules, no dependancies will miss.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> backports are not yet enabled.
+</I>
+Even for 1?
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> 2012/6/21 D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports are not yet enabled.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Even for 1?
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+&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/21 D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backports are not yet enabled.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Even for 1?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yes, even for mga1
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+<PRE>On 21 June 2012 14:28, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Well, AFAIK there is still no stance on backports policy (are we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backporting from cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (n) to n-2 or not - if we do, we break upgradability here!).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cherry-picking backports is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is true, but has to be solved anyway, no bearing on this problem. and
+</I>&gt;<i> cherry-picking should not be needed(since it's not supported), so that's a
+</I>&gt;<i> different problem.
+</I>
+You claim that it's not  supported.
+But cherry picking one backport is usually what people do.
+
+Denying the reality won't help you make progress...
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Per &#216;yvind Karlsen at 20/06/12 02:05 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/18 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 14/06/12 22:25 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Crediting patchs from others by only mentionning the source
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (i.e. Mandriva, Fedora, XBMC, ...) is not enough IMHO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we want to give proper credits, we should also mention the author of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the patch.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It doesn't say we don't give credit to the patch author.  It just says in our
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package changelog (a.k.a. our SVN commit messages), you mention where you got
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the patch from, because at that level you want to be concise and that's a much
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> more useful piece of information.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It says that we prefer to mention &quot;source&quot; over &quot;author&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's not good enough IMHO if we want to be ok with credits.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The &quot;source&quot; is not the one retaining the copyright on a change, only
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the author owns this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And mentionning an author's name is the minimum reward when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cherry-picking a change.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well IMO, this is a trade off that relates to practical usefulness.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The options for the commit message are:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  1. Mention the source
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  2. Mention the author
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  3. Mention both source+author
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IMO 3 is too verbose for package changelogs, but I agree it would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nice to be able to do this if it were made concise.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I also think that 2 is not ideal as this would then make it harder to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> record the source. We'd either have to write a comment in the spec above
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the PatchNN: line or put something into the patch itself to indicate the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> source. This is typically a good idea anyway (I try to put any fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patches etc. in their own little section of the spec). If patches are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> generated from git then you don't really want to add unmanaged extra
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> info in the patch file as when it is regenerated, this information would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be lost.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The opposite is not true - if option 1 were picked, then the author
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would typically be included already in the patch itself if it is a git
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> formatted patch. I accept this is not always the case, so this isn't a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fool-proof alternative.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, in the end, I'm not against mentioning the author directly in commit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> messages, but I think it's somewhat impractical and thus it is my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> opinion that it should not be in the message.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Then you're mixing two different things, this thing was about credting
+</I>&gt;<i> authors, right?
+</I>
+It's not solely about crediting individual authors. It's designed to be
+a set of guidelines for working with other groups as well as other
+people. It's certainly not set in stone and there are other opinions on
+the topic than mine, so I don't want my general take on things to be
+seen as anything concrete.
+
+It's also important to note the distinction between two classes outlined
+in the document: packages and software. These have to be handled
+different and each treated on with their own set of rules (albeit
+governed by the same general principles overall).
+
+&gt;<i> But now you're replacing it with practical value in changelogs, which
+</I>&gt;<i> is an entirely different issue about a totally different subject!
+</I>
+I agree it would be different if the subject were specifically about
+&quot;crediting authors&quot; but it's not. I guess the subject is best summed up
+as &quot;collaboration guidelines&quot;. There are obviously huge crossovers
+there, but there is a distinction and practicalities have to factor too
+if people are to be expected to follow it. If it takes ten minutes to do
+a complex report on authorship before committing a simple fix, it's
+clearly not going to win much favour!
+
+&gt;<i> If you want to actually credit the person doing the work, then you
+</I>&gt;<i> need to credit the actual authors of the work itself, a distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> is certainly not what to be creditting itself for the work done by
+</I>&gt;<i> others, they were the ones who put the distribution together, not the
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution who put them together (lacking consciousness, thus no
+</I>&gt;<i> assurance needs to fill, desire for recognition not possible).
+</I>
+Well it somewhat depends on how you look at it I think. I don't
+necessarily disagree with your statements, but if I look at Fedora's
+git, Mandriva's svn or the (horrible) bundle of patches that is the
+Ubuntu/Debian diff thingy, then I'm benefiting from the fact that the
+distro has collected these fixes and made them available conveniently
+for me (with various values of &quot;convenient&quot; with the deb patches!).
+Likewise if I simply search a mailing list of an upstream project should
+I not credit them for proving a known, easy location for me to find such
+fixes?
+
+Perhaps not, but I certainly appreciate the effort that Fedora et al go
+to in this regard and find it a massively useful resource for me when
+I'm fixing bugs and hacking on things.
+
+I guess you could argue that you should credit the individual packager
+inside Fedora for their work in collecting it together rather than the
+generic entity, but again, I personally feel that I am representing
+Mageia when I do my packaging and if I manage to unearth a patch from
+somewhere and include it in a Mageia package and a Fedora packager sees
+that and subsequently uses it, I'm more than happy for this work (of
+finding, applying and testing the patch) to be credited generically
+under the &quot;Mageia&quot; project (and again, this isn't just about credit,
+it's also leaving an audit trail for the future).
+
+&gt;<i> If you're going to push this argument a bit further, for anything else
+</I>&gt;<i> of software in the distribution that we've packaged with it, neither
+</I>&gt;<i> would the authors of this software be the ones to be creditted for
+</I>&gt;<i> their work, but rather the distribution carrying it!
+</I>
+I'm not sure what you mean by this statement.
+
+Typically, in any given package shipped, the individual authors who
+contributed code to the (upstream) project are not included in the
+(downstream) package changelog. In most software the upstream project
+is, by definition, referenced in the software name itself. I would
+suggest that any individual who contributed code to the upstream project
+does not expect to be named explicitly in any downstream changelog of
+the builds of that project (after all that's what the traditional
+AUTHORS file that is typically included in the package if for), but
+rather accepts that the name of the software itself represents them and
+their contribution to it.
+
+In this regard, I see the same being true when taking a patch from
+Fedora or Mandriva - i.e. credit the &quot;upstream&quot; generically (I use
+&quot;upstream&quot; in quotes here as if I take a patch that is only available in
+a fedora package for e.g. systemd, then fedora is the effective
+&quot;upstream&quot; for this particular change - perhaps &quot;sidestream&quot; is the
+better term?)
+
+So think of this point as a log of &quot;where I, as a packager, got this
+from&quot; rather than anything that explicitly credits individuals. Of
+course you may want to follow the chain a little to see if Fedora got it
+from somewhere first etc. and if so I think that's fine.
+
+As stated previously however, it is highly desirable to have the actual
+author listed inside the patch itself. Git makes this nice and easy and
+I don't want to de-emphasis this part of the process.
+
+Again, this is just my opinion and take on things - it's certainly not
+gospel.
+
+&gt;<i> So if in Mandriva, we'd actually were to fully recognize your
+</I>&gt;<i> arguments adopt this policy which you propose for Mageia iin Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> again, we'd have to start mess with all the rest of the software we
+</I>&gt;<i> ship to make sure that it credits Mandriva as we're carrying their
+</I>&gt;<i> work 
+</I>
+As above, I'm not really sure what you'd need to change if Mandriva
+adopted a similar set of guidelines. AFAICT all that would be needed is
+to ensure that commit messages on packages referenced any &quot;sidestream&quot;
+you happened to use. Can you clarify a bit here so I can understand
+properly? (or did you maybe mean Red Hat rather than that last reference
+to Mandriva above because Mand[riva|rake] was originally based on it?)
+
+Perhaps there is a context problem here too. Are you talking primarily
+about package svn commits here (and thus changelogs) or software
+repository commits?
+
+&gt;<i> And while I myself actually don't wanna meddle in Mageia's businiss
+</I>&gt;<i> (despite mine being meddled in first), I *really* don't think Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> should do so either..
+</I>
+I don't consider this meddling personally. I value your feedback here,
+but I don't fully understand some of your arguments so any
+clarifications you can provide would be appreciated.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> On 21 June 2012 14:28, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, AFAIK there is still no stance on backports policy (are we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backporting from cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (n) to n-2 or not - if we do, we break upgradability here!).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cherry-picking backports is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is true, but has to be solved anyway, no bearing on this problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cherry-picking should not be needed(since it's not supported), so that's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> different problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You claim that it's not  supported.
+</I>&gt;<i> But cherry picking one backport is usually what people do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Denying the reality won't help you make progress...
+</I>
+well, this time we agreed to have supported backports.
+
+it is true that almost all devs are cherry-picking backports, but are real
+users going to do that? i doubt it, but we don't have any data about this
+in any case.
+
+the reality is that if you want supported backports, there's literally no
+way of testing if all combinations of cherrypicking will work or not.
+thus, there is no other way solution than to support only having backports
+or not.
+
+but even if you're cherry picking backports, it's still not a problem. you
+have the knowhow to cherry pick and thus also to select which ones you
+want as dependencies for updates.
+
+if everyone is cherry picking backports, there's no use to having
+supported backports, and thus we should just have unsupported backports.
+it'll make all of this alot easier.
+
+
+nonetheless, this isn't only about backports, but also for testing and 3rd
+party repos or custom repositories.
+
+in the end, the best i can come up with is to trust all enabled
+repositories. Since the user obviously trusts them.
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+&gt;<i> A. fetch dependencies only from enabled release/update repositories
+</I>&gt;<i> Problems:
+</I>&gt;<i>  - patch doesn't exist yet and code complexity is alot higher
+</I>&gt;<i>  - if backports are enabled, a dependency fetched from release could
+</I>&gt;<i> conflict with other installed (from backports or other). thus the update
+</I>&gt;<i> would fail.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Solutions for this:
+</I>&gt;<i>  - this is not cleanly solvable, we would have to remove the backport.
+</I>[...]
+
+In this thread at the moment, I see mostly people having (personal
+preference) problems with how i would solve this bug.
+
+while they aren't less important, what I would rather see in this thread
+is alternative solutions, or how the problem with A can be solved if it
+happens.
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+even if both A and B are regarded as bad, I'd even prefer people to say
+that B is the lesser evil.
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+complaining on how B is not good for you, doesn't get us anywhere with
+this bug.
+
+So please, give alternative solutions or state how A is perfectly viable.
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+<PRE>On 21 June 2012 17:27, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> You claim that it's not &#160;supported.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But cherry picking one backport is usually what people do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Denying the reality won't help you make progress...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> well, this time we agreed to have supported backports.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it is true that almost all devs are cherry-picking backports, but are real
+</I>&gt;<i> users going to do that? i doubt it, but we don't have any data about this
+</I>&gt;<i> in any case.
+</I>
+End users do not know about urpmi.
+They knows about mgaupdate which shows them updates and about
+rpmdrake which shows everything.
+Thy _ONLY_ way for them to get a backport package installed is to
+manually select one.
+Period.
+
+&gt;<i> the reality is that if you want supported backports, there's literally no
+</I>&gt;<i> way of testing if all combinations of cherrypicking will work or not.
+</I>&gt;<i> thus, there is no other way solution than to support only having backports
+</I>&gt;<i> or not.
+</I>
+That's bogus.
+The truth is and always has been: if you install a backport package, it's
+unsupported, it's at your own risks.
+Claiming we support backports would be a like: we won't retest all existing
+backported packages when pushing a new one.
+
+&gt;<i> but even if you're cherry picking backports, it's still not a problem. you
+</I>&gt;<i> have the knowhow to cherry pick and thus also to select which ones you
+</I>&gt;<i> want as dependencies for updates.
+</I>
+You don't understand: cherry picking backports is the only way for end
+users to install backports
+
+&gt;<i> if everyone is cherry picking backports, there's no use to having
+</I>&gt;<i> supported backports, and thus we should just have unsupported backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> it'll make all of this alot easier.
+</I>
+Indeed. As we always did.
+
+&gt;<i> nonetheless, this isn't only about backports, but also for testing and 3rd
+</I>&gt;<i> party repos or custom repositories.
+</I>
+We don't support those.
+
+&gt;<i> in the end, the best i can come up with is to trust all enabled
+</I>&gt;<i> repositories. Since the user obviously trusts them.
+</I>
+NACK. That's totally bogus.
+Enabling the backport media DOES NOT imply &quot;I want to install every
+backports&quot;.
+You're twisting the reality and the existing experience in order to match
+your goals. That won't work...
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+&gt;&gt;<i> A. fetch dependencies only from enabled release/update repositories
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Problems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- patch doesn't exist yet and code complexity is alot higher
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- if backports are enabled, a dependency fetched from release could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> conflict with other installed (from backports or other). thus the update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would fail.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Solutions for this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- this is not cleanly solvable, we would have to remove the backport.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In this thread at the moment, I see mostly people having (personal
+</I>&gt;<i> preference) problems with how i would solve this bug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> while they aren't less important, what I would rather see in this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> is alternative solutions, or how the problem with A can be solved if it
+</I>&gt;<i> happens.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> even if both A and B are regarded as bad, I'd even prefer people to say
+</I>&gt;<i> that B is the lesser evil.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> complaining on how B is not good for you, doesn't get us anywhere with
+</I>&gt;<i> this bug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So please, give alternative solutions or state how A is perfectly viable.
+</I>
+You're inversing the roles :-)
+You cannot knowly break things just b/c of one need (which btw was
+managed back @mdv).
+You're trading one infrastruture enhancement for:
+- several new usability issues:
+  o more memory
+  o slower to compute updates
+- breaking people installation by blindly installing all backports along updates
+  if they're ever enabled.
+- ...
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+&gt;<i> On 21 June 2012 17:36, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; A. fetch dependencies only from enabled release/update repositories
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Problems:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;  - patch doesn't exist yet and code complexity is alot higher
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;  - if backports are enabled, a dependency fetched from release could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; conflict with other installed (from backports or other). thus the update
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; would fail.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Solutions for this:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;  - this is not cleanly solvable, we would have to remove the backport.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In this thread at the moment, I see mostly people having (personal
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; preference) problems with how i would solve this bug.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; while they aren't less important, what I would rather see in this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is alternative solutions, or how the problem with A can be solved if it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; happens.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; even if both A and B are regarded as bad, I'd even prefer people to say
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that B is the lesser evil.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; complaining on how B is not good for you, doesn't get us anywhere with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this bug.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So please, give alternative solutions or state how A is perfectly viable.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You're inversing the roles :-)
+</I>
+inversing roles is good :-)
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+&gt;<i> You cannot knowly break things just b/c of one need (which btw was
+</I>&gt;<i> managed back @mdv).
+</I>
+well, the situations are a bit different now, we do have supported backports 
+now, and alot of code is now improved.
+
+In any case, i'd like to find out how the above problem was managed @ mdv? 
+perhaps since backports wasn't supported, it was also unsupported? and thus 
+not needing to be managed?
+
+&gt;<i> You're trading one infrastruture enhancement for:
+</I>&gt;<i> - several new usability issues:
+</I>&gt;<i>   o more memory
+</I>&gt;<i>   o slower to compute updates
+</I>
+actually, it would be nice to have some data on this, according to MrsB, some 
+people have marked release as update media, thus alleviating their problem, 
+they didn't think it was a problem.
+
+also, when i read the code, all signs (even comments) pointed to this exact 
+solution (all was marked for searchmedia), and only limited on this one point.
+
+&gt;<i> - breaking people installation by blindly installing all backports along
+</I>&gt;<i> updates if they're ever enabled.
+</I>
+well, as i said before, if we strictly require, it won't break. and it's not 
+blindly at all, only dependencies for updates marked repos.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> if everyone is cherry picking backports, there's no use to having
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supported backports, and thus we should just have unsupported backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it'll make all of this alot easier.
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed. As we always did.
+</I>QA is needed for backports, but only at that level that it's possible to install the package
+and basic functionality works. After that QA should not worry about it no more. Then you are
+on your own. AFAIK at Mandriva backports didn't pass even that step, they were just pushed
+into backports and that's it.
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 21 juni 2012 17:36:58 schreef Thierry Vignaud:
+&gt;<i> On 21 June 2012 17:27, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; You claim that it's not  supported.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But cherry picking one backport is usually what people do.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Denying the reality won't help you make progress...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; well, this time we agreed to have supported backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it is true that almost all devs are cherry-picking backports, but are real
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; users going to do that? i doubt it, but we don't have any data about this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in any case.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> End users do not know about urpmi.
+</I>&gt;<i> They knows about mgaupdate which shows them updates and about
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmdrake which shows everything.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thy _ONLY_ way for them to get a backport package installed is to
+</I>&gt;<i> manually select one.
+</I>&gt;<i> Period.
+</I>
+actually, that could change, i think it was stormi who proposed to adjust 
+mgaapplet to handle &quot;backports for end users&quot;.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; the reality is that if you want supported backports, there's literally no
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; way of testing if all combinations of cherrypicking will work or not.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; thus, there is no other way solution than to support only having backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or not.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That's bogus.
+</I>&gt;<i> The truth is and always has been: if you install a backport package, it's
+</I>&gt;<i> unsupported, it's at your own risks.
+</I>&gt;<i> Claiming we support backports would be a like: we won't retest all existing
+</I>&gt;<i> backported packages when pushing a new one.
+</I>
+this is exactly my point. but it's been decided several times in several 
+meetings (even since before mga1) that backports would be supported now.
+
+There's even a policy accepted about QA on backports. I guess you didn't 
+follow the meetings or read up on the meeting logs?
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i> NACK. That's totally bogus.
+</I>&gt;<i> Enabling the backport media DOES NOT imply &quot;I want to install every
+</I>&gt;<i> backports&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> You're twisting the reality and the existing experience in order to match
+</I>&gt;<i> your goals. That won't work...
+</I>
+i'm not twisting anything.
+
+the only way you ever have supported backports, is that you only support 
+installing all backports that have packages in release.
+
+If you find another way to support backports, please let us know.
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+&gt;<i> 21.06.2012 18:36, Thierry Vignaud kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; if everyone is cherry picking backports, there's no use to having
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; supported backports, and thus we should just have unsupported backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; it'll make all of this alot easier.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Indeed. As we always did.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> QA is needed for backports, but only at that level that it's possible to
+</I>&gt;<i> install the package and basic functionality works. After that QA should not
+</I>&gt;<i> worry about it no more. Then you are on your own. AFAIK at Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> backports didn't pass even that step, they were just pushed into backports
+</I>&gt;<i> and that's it.
+</I>
+yes, but that's exactly the step that's problematic. (installing the package)
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+i'm not even talking about have the application start, just installing.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> You cannot knowly break things just b/c of one need (which btw was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> managed back @mdv).
+</I>&gt;<i> well, the situations are a bit different now, we do have supported backports 
+</I>&gt;<i> now, and alot of code is now improved.
+</I>Actually, no, we don't :) Haven't seen any yet :P Supporting backports with updates can't be
+done. Not the way our repos are set up today.
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+    <B>Claire Robinson</B> 
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+&gt;<i> since QA is waiting for a fix for this for a long time (pre-mga1), we
+</I>&gt;<i> should get this fixed asap.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PS: since we're enabling backports, we should make sure that the update
+</I>&gt;<i> validation process would have one of both required tests for validation
+</I>&gt;<i> with backports enabled and the other disabled.
+</I>
+We very much appreciate the work being done on this now. It is vital 
+that this be fixed with backports opening. I know you have been a hero 
+in this respect so the last thing I want to do is prevent progress.
+
+This is not a good solution, sorry. If QA has to test every update twice 
+(with and without backports enabled) it literally doubles our already 
+doubled workload overnight.
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+It is doubled now because we have two releases and most updates include 
+both. It will be effectively quadrupled with this plan and that would be 
+unsustainable. We just don't have the manpower or enough hours in a day, 
+we are struggling to cope as it is.
+
+Two people have tested simply enabling Release media as update media and 
+not really noticed any drop in performance. I don't know what the 
+implications are for memory footprint though. It could be one simple 
+solution though perhaps, to enable them as updates by default, if the 
+complexity of others if prohibitive.
+
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+&gt;<i> &gt; since QA is waiting for a fix for this for a long time (pre-mga1), we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; should get this fixed asap.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; PS: since we're enabling backports, we should make sure that the update
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; validation process would have one of both required tests for validation
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with backports enabled and the other disabled.
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> It is doubled now because we have two releases and most updates include
+</I>&gt;<i> both. It will be effectively quadrupled with this plan and that would be
+</I>&gt;<i> unsustainable. We just don't have the manpower or enough hours in a day,
+</I>&gt;<i> we are struggling to cope as it is.
+</I>[...]
+
+actually, it doesn't need to be.
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+you already test twice before validating updates, right?
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+so, there's 2 options:
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+- testing i586 with backports enabled
+- testing x86_64 without backports enabled
+
+this is still 2 tests, and this is sufficient.
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+    <B>Claire Robinson</B> 
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+&gt;<i> actually, it doesn't need to be.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you already test twice before validating updates, right?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so, there's 2 options:
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+</I>&gt;<i> - testing i586 with backports enabled
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing x86_64 without backports enabled
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this is still 2 tests, and this is sufficient.
+</I>
+QA backports testing procedure has not yet been agreed, we can't really 
+without knowing what packager policy is and that is not even close yet. 
+They will be our lowest priority though obviously.
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+It is very likely we will test backports the same as an update. ie. i586 
+and x86_64.
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+In the case where an update has a tainted build we test the tainted 
+build x86_64 and i586 aswell as the core build x86_64 and i586.
+
+Your suggestion adds further complexity and work to a team already 
+swamped and struggling to cope, this without backports even being open. 
+That is not sustainable. It would be remiss of me to pretend otherwise, 
+sorry.
+
+We would be using a workaround for the solution to the workaround for 
+the bug.
+
+There has to be another solution..
+
+Claire
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+To me, &quot;Mageia&quot; and &quot;Mageia&quot; looks exactly the same, so here it would seem to be a search and replace error when one replaced the various Mandriva texts with Mageia equivalent.
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+Should I file this as a bug?
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+</I>&gt;<i> so, there's 2 options:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing i586 with backports enabled
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing x86_64 without backports enabled
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this is still 2 tests, and this is sufficient.
+</I>Are you serious?
+I've seen bugs were i586 and x86_64 doesn't work quite the same. Every arch
++ repo must be tested separately (be it tainted or release, i'm still not
+mixing backports with updates ... until you promise to do all the testing
+here and not bother QA;)).
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 21 juni 2012 22:21:52 schreef Sander Lepik:
+&gt;<i> On Jun 21, 2012 9:10 PM, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so, there's 2 options:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - testing i586 with backports enabled
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - testing x86_64 without backports enabled
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this is still 2 tests, and this is sufficient.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you serious?
+</I>&gt;<i> I've seen bugs were i586 and x86_64 doesn't work quite the same. Every arch
+</I>&gt;<i> + repo must be tested separately (be it tainted or release, i'm still not
+</I>&gt;<i> mixing backports with updates ... until you promise to do all the testing
+</I>&gt;<i> here and not bother QA;)).
+</I>
+I see...
+
+however, as long as backports is installed, it could still be that due to an 
+update a new dependency from release is pulled, which could conflict (or not 
+work correctly) with some of the installed backports.
+
+if we want to have supported both backports and updates, these cases should 
+still be tested. And if you want to support cherrypicking backports, the 
+possibilities are even bigger.
+
+It seems to me that people don't really see what kind of QA resources 
+backports will need if all this need to be supported. This is completely 
+irrelevant to this solution however. whatever solution we pick for bug 2317 
+(A, B, or even doing nothing), it seems you think this solution has any effect 
+on QA resources, but it doesn't, it's only enabling backports that does it.
+
+Let me give you an overview on options for the amount of support in backports 
+and it's impact on QA (also with example) for only 1 release:
+
+(package X has update A &amp; backport B;
+package Y has update C and backport D;
+package Z has update E and backport F)
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+A. backports is fully supported + cherry-picking backports is also supported 
+(for only mga2)
+
+for update validation of package X (let's call it update A2):
+1. testing combination: A,C,E for arch i586
+2. testing combination: A,D,E for arch i586
+3. testing combination: A,C,F for arch i586
+4. testing combination: A,D,F for arch i586
+5. testing combination: A,C,E for arch x86_64
+6. testing combination: A,D,E for arch x86_64
+7. testing combination: A,C,F for arch x86_64
+8. testing combination: A,D,F for arch x86_64
+
+for backport validation of package X (let's call it backport B2):
+1. testing combination: B,C,E for arch i586
+2. testing combination: B,D,E for arch i586
+3. testing combination: B,C,F for arch i586
+4. testing combination: B,D,F for arch i586
+5. testing combination: B,C,E for arch x86_64
+6. testing combination: B,D,E for arch x86_64
+7. testing combination: B,C,F for arch x86_64
+8. testing combination: B,D,F for arch x86_64
+
+Validations required: 2*2^(number of backported packages - 1)
+==&gt; this is completely impossible
+
+B. backports is fully supported, but cherry-picking isn't
+
+for update validation of package X (let's call it update A2):
+1. testing combination: A,C,E for arch i586
+2. testing combination: A,D,F for arch i586
+3. testing combination: A,C,E for arch x86_64
+4. testing combination: A,D,F for arch x86_64
+
+for backport validation of package X (let's call it backport B2):
+1. testing combination: B,C,E for arch i586
+2. testing combination: B,D,F for arch i586
+3. testing combination: B,C,E for arch x86_64
+4. testing combination: B,D,F for arch x86_64
+
+Validations required: 4 for each package
+==&gt; this is quadrupling the QA workload
+
+B2. i thought perhaps that testing these on one arch would be ok:
+
+for update validation of package X (let's call it update A2):
+1. testing combination: A,C,E for arch i586
+2. testing combination: A,D,F for arch x86_64
+
+OR
+
+1. testing combination: A,D,F for arch i586
+2. testing combination: A,C,E for arch x86_64
+
+for backport validation of package X (let's call it backport B2):
+1. testing combination: B,C,E for arch i586
+2. testing combination: B,D,F for arch x86_64
+
+OR
+
+1. testing combination: B,D,F for arch i586
+2. testing combination: B,C,E for arch x86_64
+
+Validations required: 2 for each package
+=&gt; this could be doable by QA, even though it's perhaps not completely tested
+
+C. perhaps backports being semi-supported
+
+for update validation of package X (let's call it update A2):
+1. testing combination: A,C,E for arch i586
+2. testing combination: A,C,E for arch x86_64
+
+for backport validation of package X (let's call it backport B2):
+1. testing combination: B,C,E for arch i586
+2. testing combination: B,C,E for arch x86_64
+
+Validations required: 2 for each package
+=&gt; this could be doable by QA, but even though a package might work, it's 
+possible that an update (or backport), might not be cleanly installable and 
+give errors.
+
+D. not supporting backports
+
+for update validation of package X (let's call it update A2):
+1. testing combination: A,C,E for arch i586
+2. testing combination: A,C,E for arch x86_64
+
+for backport validation of package X (let's call it backport B2):
+No testing
+
+Validations required: 2 for each update
+=&gt; this is how it is now
+
+--------------------------------------------------
+I would implore all of you to look at this above and try to understand.
+
+(of course, you can tell me if i'm wrong here)
+
+
+It seems to me that all of you had thought that C was good enough validation 
+(except for tv, i guess he saw this from the beginning and figured D would be 
+best or even E, no backports at all).
+
+I'm was thinking that if C was good enough for you, then perhaps B2 would also 
+be good, as i think it doesn't give any extra load on QA.
+
+
+IMPORTANT: Again, i'm stating that this does NOT matter whatever solution for 
+bug 2317 is chosen.
+
+even my preferred solution on bug 2317 ONLY has more testing requirement for 
+the backport packager
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+
+Is this more clear?
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+<PRE>Em 21-06-2012 23:01, AL13N escreveu:
+&gt;<i> I would implore all of you to look at this above and try to understand.
+</I> &gt; ...
+&gt;<i> even my preferred solution on bug 2317 ONLY has more testing requirement for
+</I>&gt;<i> the backport packager
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, don't dream, backport packagers won't do more testing without QA 
+bugging them. And tests cannot be done by packagers, because they always 
+have a particular system, where bugs may not arise.
+
+I feel we must face the fact our policies are nothing without manpower. 
+If #2317 is a major bug, it must be fixed quickly. The fact we didn't 
+fix it in more than a year makes me wonder how we drive ourselves : 
+maybe QA should strike until it is fixed ;-)
+
+I vote for Mrs.B workaround :
+
+Two people have tested simply enabling Release media as update media and 
+not really noticed any drop in performance. I don't know what the 
+implications are for memory footprint though. It could be one simple 
+solution though perhaps, to enable them as updates by default, if the 
+complexity of others if prohibitive.
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+<PRE>On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:17:50 -0400, zezinho &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I vote for Mrs.B workaround :
+</I>
+I agree. Simply treating release media that's enabled, as if it had the
+update flag seems to the easiest way to safely fix 2317.
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+&gt;<i> Two people have tested simply enabling Release media as update media and
+</I>&gt;<i> not really noticed any drop in performance. I don't know what the
+</I>
+In my case, I compared the time between mgaapplet &quot;Computing new updates&quot;,
+and the message &quot;Checking... Updates are available&quot; (with updates actually
+being available), was 18 seconds when Release was not marked as an update
+repository, and it was 18 seconds when it was marked as an update repository.
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+As mgaapplet is only using around 30 KB of ram, I don't see memory being
+an issue.
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+so I checked out the package on Debian using svn co, but the sources wasn't checked out.
+
+So how do I use svn on Debian (and not on Mageia/Mandriva) to checkout and checkin the SOURCES, and not just the sha1, and the specfile?
+The mageia wikipage on svn usage doesn't explain this, and Google doesn't help on this.
+
+If this works as I hope, I plan to maintain ufoai and ufoai-data, starting by upgrading them to the latest version. (Which is the software that made me start rpm packaging back in 2010, as apprentice on Mandriva, to begin with. :-)= )
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+    <B>Olivier Thauvin</B> 
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+Since fews days all my cauldron urpmi config get broken because puppet
+is unable to discover the distribution is cauldron and not '3'.
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+I don't know who's: lsb-release ? mageia-release ?
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+It is very annoying to not be able to make difference between cauldron
+(dev computer) and regular setup.
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+Regards.
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+&gt;<i> As someone who have a limited uplink bandwith and originally planed to work on a package which have almost a gigabyte of sources, I thought that maybe I can circumvent this by using my external Debian server to upload the huge sources, so as to avoid using a hole day of uploading using mgarepo.
+</I>
+Silly question, can't you add a mageia vm there? I believe you need to test also what you're working on...
+ 
+&gt;<i> so I checked out the package on Debian using svn co, but the sources wasn't checked out.
+</I>Another silly thing, mgarepo is based on python, maybe you can try to import that in debian...
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20bug%202317%20revisited%3A%20--update%20option%20should%20behave%0A%20like%20--search-media&In-Reply-To=%3C4FE431E5.2020306%40eesti.ee%3E"
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+<PRE>22.06.2012 00:01, AL13N kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 21 juni 2012 22:21:52 schreef Sander Lepik:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Jun 21, 2012 9:10 PM, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so, there's 2 options:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - testing i586 with backports enabled
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - testing x86_64 without backports enabled
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this is still 2 tests, and this is sufficient.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Are you serious?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've seen bugs were i586 and x86_64 doesn't work quite the same. Every arch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + repo must be tested separately (be it tainted or release, i'm still not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mixing backports with updates ... until you promise to do all the testing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here and not bother QA;)).
+</I>&gt;<i> I see...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> however, as long as backports is installed, it could still be that due to an 
+</I>&gt;<i> update a new dependency from release is pulled, which could conflict (or not 
+</I>&gt;<i> work correctly) with some of the installed backports.
+</I>Like has been said for many times now, you should not backport such packages.
+And about the conflicting part - well, at that point you are already on your own, at least
+as i see it. Backports can break updating/upgrading, we can't avoid that (and for the same
+reason backports should be cherry-picked, so you get as little trouble as possible). The
+best you can do at that point is to submit a bug about broken update and maybe (just maybe)
+we can submit the updated package that needs those new deps into backports too - so you can
+pull it from there and get over the update problem. But this should be a rare case anyway.
+&gt;<i> D. not supporting backports
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for update validation of package X (let's call it update A2):
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. testing combination: A,C,E for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. testing combination: A,C,E for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for backport validation of package X (let's call it backport B2):
+</I>&gt;<i> No testing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Validations required: 2 for each update
+</I>&gt;<i> =&gt; this is how it is now
+</I>And for updates it should stay like that.
+
+--
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+<PRE>22.06.2012 01:14, David W. Hodgins kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:17:50 -0400, zezinho &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I vote for Mrs.B workaround :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree. Simply treating release media that's enabled, as if it had the
+</I>&gt;<i> update flag seems to the easiest way to safely fix 2317.
+</I>+1 here. Today's computers shouldn't have too many problems here and for sure they don't get
+any slower :)
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 22/06/12 04:03 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> As someone who have a limited uplink bandwith and originally planed
+</I>&gt;<i> to work on a package which have almost a gigabyte of sources, I
+</I>&gt;<i> thought that maybe I can circumvent this by using my external Debian
+</I>&gt;<i> server to upload the huge sources, so as to avoid using a hole day of
+</I>&gt;<i> uploading using mgarepo.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> so I checked out the package on Debian using svn co, but the sources
+</I>&gt;<i> wasn't checked out.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So how do I use svn on Debian (and not on Mageia/Mandriva) to
+</I>&gt;<i> checkout and checkin the SOURCES, and not just the sha1, and the
+</I>&gt;<i> specfile?
+</I>
+You can use wget to download the sources (can't remember the URL but the
+path is just the sha1 and I think it's sometimes displayed when updating
+a package), but I think you need to have ssh to upload new sources (I'm
+not 100% sure how the upload works tho', so it
+could be some other mechanism).
+
+Either way is there any specific reason you can't just use mgarepo on
+your debian box?
+
+It'll make keeping the sha1 file and the upload itself in sync a bit
+easier so I'd try and make it work if I were you.
+
+Col.
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 22/06/12 06:51 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Since fews days all my cauldron urpmi config get broken because puppet
+</I>&gt;<i> is unable to discover the distribution is cauldron and not '3'.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> $ facter | grep -i cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> $
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The template is generated using somthing like:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia/distrib/&lt;%= lsbdistrelease.downcase() %&gt;/&lt;%= distarch %&gt;/
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know who's: lsb-release ? mageia-release ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It is very annoying to not be able to make difference between cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> (dev computer) and regular setup.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>
+
+I also found on my system:
+/etc/lsb-release.rpmnew
+
+Should this file really be marked as config(noreplace)? I'd personally
+say it's not a true config file that admins should tweak, but perhaps
+there are some justifications.
+
+Note to whoever fixes this, please update both lsb-release and
+magea-release-common to fix /etc/os-release too.
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 21/06/12 19:35 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I am installing Mageia on a system here, and i'm using boot.iso. 
+</I>&gt;<i> Since I'm concerned with what Licenses and EULAs i am willing to
+</I>&gt;<i> accept, I've actually taken the time to read the license as presented
+</I>&gt;<i> during the installation, that one have to agree to in order to
+</I>&gt;<i> install.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In section 4 I found a formulation that I think is the result of an
+</I>&gt;<i> accident. The last sentence reads: == &quot;Mageia&quot;, &quot;Mageia&quot; and
+</I>&gt;<i> associated logos are trademarks of Mageia. ==
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> To me, &quot;Mageia&quot; and &quot;Mageia&quot; looks exactly the same, so here it would
+</I>&gt;<i> seem to be a search and replace error when one replaced the various
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva texts with Mageia equivalent.
+</I>
+Looks like a a search/replace problem as you suggest.
+
+&gt;<i> Should I file this as a bug?
+</I>
+Sounds like a good plan :) (assuming no one fixes it first)
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Sandro CAZZANIGA at 21/06/12 14:20 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/21 AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/21 D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backports are not yet enabled.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Even for 1?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> yes, even for mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks guys.
+</I>
+There is progress on this however. AFAIUI they will hopefully be
+available &quot;soon&quot; (for various values of soon).
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B> 
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+    <I>Fri Jun 22 11:17:15 CEST 2012</I>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Sandro CAZZANIGA at 21/06/12 14:20 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2012/6/21 AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 2012/6/21 D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; backports are not yet enabled.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Even for 1?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; yes, even for mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks guys.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is progress on this however. AFAIUI they will hopefully be
+</I>&gt;<i> available &quot;soon&quot; (for various values of soon).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks Col :)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i>  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 18/06/2012 01:15, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> If all is well, this will go into cauldron at the end of the week.
+</I>Strangely enough, I was not able to log in anymore in gdm. The log 
+doesn't bring much information:
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+Jun 22 10:01:10 localhost gdm-password][4225]: 
+pam_succeed_if(gdm-password:auth): requirement &quot;user ingroup 
+nopasswdlogin&quot; not met by user &quot;guillaume&quot;
+Jun 22 10:01:25 localhost gdm-password][4225]: 
+pam_tcb(gdm-password:auth): Authentication failed for guillaume from (uid=0)
+
+Login in tty was OK, tough, so I'd rather incriminate gdm pam configuration.
+
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #242:
+
+Software uses US measurements, but the OS is in metric...
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+<PRE>On Friday 22 June 2012 10:00, Angelo Naselli wrote:
+&gt;<i> can't you add a mageia vm there? 
+</I>
+Not enough resources on the server. So, no.
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+&gt;<i> I believe you need to test also what you're working on... 
+</I>
+I plan to do that locally. It's just the part of uploading the upstream source that I plan to do externaly, by downloading the huge source to the external server.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 22/06/12 10:18 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 18/06/2012 01:15, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If all is well, this will go into cauldron at the end of the week.
+</I>&gt;<i> Strangely enough, I was not able to log in anymore in gdm. The log
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't bring much information:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Jun 22 10:01:10 localhost gdm-password][4225]:
+</I>&gt;<i> pam_succeed_if(gdm-password:auth): requirement &quot;user ingroup
+</I>&gt;<i> nopasswdlogin&quot; not met by user &quot;guillaume&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> Jun 22 10:01:25 localhost gdm-password][4225]:
+</I>&gt;<i> pam_tcb(gdm-password:auth): Authentication failed for guillaume from
+</I>&gt;<i> (uid=0)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Login in tty was OK, tough, so I'd rather incriminate gdm pam
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration.
+</I>
+GDM here is fine for me.
+
+Anything special in your gdm pam configs? Or even in the system-auth pam
+file?
+
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Claire Robinson</B> 
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+<PRE>On 21/06/12 22:01, AL13N wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 21 juni 2012 22:21:52 schreef Sander Lepik:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Jun 21, 2012 9:10 PM, &quot;AL13N&quot;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so, there's 2 options:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - testing i586 with backports enabled
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - testing x86_64 without backports enabled
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this is still 2 tests, and this is sufficient.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Are you serious?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've seen bugs were i586 and x86_64 doesn't work quite the same. Every arch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + repo must be tested separately (be it tainted or release, i'm still not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mixing backports with updates ... until you promise to do all the testing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here and not bother QA;)).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I see...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> however, as long as backports is installed, it could still be that due to an
+</I>&gt;<i> update a new dependency from release is pulled, which could conflict (or not
+</I>&gt;<i> work correctly) with some of the installed backports.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if we want to have supported both backports and updates, these cases should
+</I>&gt;<i> still be tested. And if you want to support cherrypicking backports, the
+</I>&gt;<i> possibilities are even bigger.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems to me that people don't really see what kind of QA resources
+</I>&gt;<i> backports will need if all this need to be supported. This is completely
+</I>&gt;<i> irrelevant to this solution however. whatever solution we pick for bug 2317
+</I>&gt;<i> (A, B, or even doing nothing), it seems you think this solution has any effect
+</I>&gt;<i> on QA resources, but it doesn't, it's only enabling backports that does it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let me give you an overview on options for the amount of support in backports
+</I>&gt;<i> and it's impact on QA (also with example) for only 1 release:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (package X has update A&amp;  backport B;
+</I>&gt;<i> package Y has update C and backport D;
+</I>&gt;<i> package Z has update E and backport F)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A. backports is fully supported + cherry-picking backports is also supported
+</I>&gt;<i> (for only mga2)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for update validation of package X (let's call it update A2):
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. testing combination: A,C,E for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. testing combination: A,D,E for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. testing combination: A,C,F for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. testing combination: A,D,F for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. testing combination: A,C,E for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 6. testing combination: A,D,E for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 7. testing combination: A,C,F for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 8. testing combination: A,D,F for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for backport validation of package X (let's call it backport B2):
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. testing combination: B,C,E for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. testing combination: B,D,E for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. testing combination: B,C,F for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. testing combination: B,D,F for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. testing combination: B,C,E for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 6. testing combination: B,D,E for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 7. testing combination: B,C,F for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 8. testing combination: B,D,F for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Validations required: 2*2^(number of backported packages - 1)
+</I>&gt;<i> ==&gt;  this is completely impossible
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> B. backports is fully supported, but cherry-picking isn't
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for update validation of package X (let's call it update A2):
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. testing combination: A,C,E for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. testing combination: A,D,F for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. testing combination: A,C,E for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. testing combination: A,D,F for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for backport validation of package X (let's call it backport B2):
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. testing combination: B,C,E for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. testing combination: B,D,F for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. testing combination: B,C,E for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. testing combination: B,D,F for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Validations required: 4 for each package
+</I>&gt;<i> ==&gt;  this is quadrupling the QA workload
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> B2. i thought perhaps that testing these on one arch would be ok:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for update validation of package X (let's call it update A2):
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. testing combination: A,C,E for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. testing combination: A,D,F for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OR
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. testing combination: A,D,F for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. testing combination: A,C,E for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for backport validation of package X (let's call it backport B2):
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. testing combination: B,C,E for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. testing combination: B,D,F for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OR
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. testing combination: B,D,F for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. testing combination: B,C,E for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Validations required: 2 for each package
+</I>&gt;<i> =&gt;  this could be doable by QA, even though it's perhaps not completely tested
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> C. perhaps backports being semi-supported
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for update validation of package X (let's call it update A2):
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. testing combination: A,C,E for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. testing combination: A,C,E for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for backport validation of package X (let's call it backport B2):
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. testing combination: B,C,E for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. testing combination: B,C,E for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Validations required: 2 for each package
+</I>&gt;<i> =&gt;  this could be doable by QA, but even though a package might work, it's
+</I>&gt;<i> possible that an update (or backport), might not be cleanly installable and
+</I>&gt;<i> give errors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> D. not supporting backports
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for update validation of package X (let's call it update A2):
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. testing combination: A,C,E for arch i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. testing combination: A,C,E for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for backport validation of package X (let's call it backport B2):
+</I>&gt;<i> No testing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Validations required: 2 for each update
+</I>&gt;<i> =&gt;  this is how it is now
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> I would implore all of you to look at this above and try to understand.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (of course, you can tell me if i'm wrong here)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems to me that all of you had thought that C was good enough validation
+</I>&gt;<i> (except for tv, i guess he saw this from the beginning and figured D would be
+</I>&gt;<i> best or even E, no backports at all).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm was thinking that if C was good enough for you, then perhaps B2 would also
+</I>&gt;<i> be good, as i think it doesn't give any extra load on QA.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMPORTANT: Again, i'm stating that this does NOT matter whatever solution for
+</I>&gt;<i> bug 2317 is chosen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> even my preferred solution on bug 2317 ONLY has more testing requirement for
+</I>&gt;<i> the backport packager
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this more clear?
+</I>
+
+All this assumes that backport media will be treated as a normal update 
+media. That is certainly not my impression. My impression of backports 
+are being able to install a new blender for example, not having a system 
+where backports are just another update media and replace everything 
+available. The QA task for that scenario would be ridiculously huge. If 
+you want to have backports which go any further than backports testing 
+then you seriously need to rethink this idea.
+
+I don't think you understand quite how short handed we are in QA. For 
+the life of Mageia 1 it was mainly just two people. This bug is a major 
+bug for QA and has been since it was first discovered almost a year ago. 
+It adds complexity and extra workload to an already severely overloaded 
+team.
+
+We have a few (very few) new people since Mageia 2 was released who are 
+beginning to help out, understand the process and how to find ways to 
+test things. Thankyou all, you know who you are. The complexity of 
+working around this bug is something they shouldn't have to learn. The 
+extra workload involved in working around this bug is something we can't 
+continue with, even in our current state with no backport medias. I 
+spent most of yesterday on it for example instead of testing updates. 
+Validating updates is now taking twice as long because there is twice as 
+much testing involved for two releases - plus the extra time spent 
+working around bug 2317 for each release. Yesterday we even found its 
+effects are different for some rpm's on i586 than they are on x86_64 
+(see p11-kit bug 6502).
+
+Anything which, at this stage, slows this process further will lead to 
+updates being further and further delayed. That is a situation nobody 
+wants to see, and personally I'd like to be able to take a day off now 
+and again too. I'm sure others feel the same.
+
+The aim of fixing this bug is to reduce the complexity and extra 
+workload of working around it for QA. This assumption and solution 
+actually has the opposite effect, dramatically increasing the complexity 
+and workload. As I've explained, that is simply not possible if we want 
+to release timely updates.
+
+I hope this makes the situation clearer. There is a workable solution 
+but I'm afraid it isn't this one, for the reasons given above.
+
+Thanks
+Claire
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> 22.06.2012 00:01, AL13N kirjutas:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;<i> however, as long as backports is installed, it could still be that due
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update a new dependency from release is pulled, which could conflict (or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work correctly) with some of the installed backports.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Like has been said for many times now, you should not backport such
+</I>&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>
+but that's my point, you can't guarantee it, because it's a new dependency
+from an update. _any_ package can be the new dependency. even one that was
+backported before.
+
+&gt;<i> And about the conflicting part - well, at that point you are already on
+</I>&gt;<i> your own, at least
+</I>&gt;<i> as i see it. Backports can break updating/upgrading, we can't avoid that
+</I>&gt;<i> (and for the same
+</I>&gt;<i> reason backports should be cherry-picked, so you get as little trouble as
+</I>&gt;<i> possible). The
+</I>&gt;<i> best you can do at that point is to submit a bug about broken update and
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe (just maybe)
+</I>&gt;<i> we can submit the updated package that needs those new deps into backports
+</I>&gt;<i> too - so you can
+</I>&gt;<i> pull it from there and get over the update problem. But this should be a
+</I>&gt;<i> rare case anyway.
+</I>
+Breaking updates because we try to support backports is not something that
+i wish to have, no matter how rare the case.
+
+And your solution wouldn't work, except for backporting the update and
+having the user manually try to use the backported version for that too...
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> D. not supporting backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for update validation of package X (let's call it update A2):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. testing combination: A,C,E for arch i586
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. testing combination: A,C,E for arch x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for backport validation of package X (let's call it backport B2):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No testing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Validations required: 2 for each update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> =&gt; this is how it is now
+</I>&gt;<i> And for updates it should stay like that.
+</I>
+both B2, C and D have the same amount of tests for updates.
+
+i thought i had made this clear, but it seems i failed in this.
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+<PRE>AL13N skrev 21.6.2012 20:39:
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 21 juni 2012 17:36:58 schreef Thierry Vignaud:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> End users do not know about urpmi.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They knows about mgaupdate which shows them updates and about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpmdrake which shows everything.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thy _ONLY_ way for them to get a backport package installed is to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> manually select one.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Period.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> actually, that could change, i think it was stormi who proposed to adjust
+</I>&gt;<i> mgaapplet to handle &quot;backports for end users&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I dont think we should even think of extending mgaapplet to cover 
+backports at this point as we need to focus on fixing #2317 for 
+release/updates first...
+
+When that part is fixed and considered stable, we can think of
+extending it to support backports...
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+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> AL13N skrev 21.6.2012 20:39:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op donderdag 21 juni 2012 17:36:58 schreef Thierry Vignaud:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> End users do not know about urpmi.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> They knows about mgaupdate which shows them updates and about
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rpmdrake which shows everything.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thy _ONLY_ way for them to get a backport package installed is to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> manually select one.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Period.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> actually, that could change, i think it was stormi who proposed to adjust
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mgaapplet to handle &quot;backports for end users&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I dont think we should even think of extending mgaapplet to cover
+</I>&gt;<i> backports at this point as we need to focus on fixing #2317 for
+</I>&gt;<i> release/updates first...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When that part is fixed and considered stable, we can think of
+</I>&gt;<i> extending it to support backports...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Marking the Release media as update media by default would support 
+update medias and backport medias, whatever the policy is later decided 
+to be. Unless there is a downside we haven't noticed yet then it looks 
+to be a simple fix.
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+Thanks
+Claire
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+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 21 juni 2012 19:01:51 schreef Claire Robinson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> since QA is waiting for a fix for this for a long time (pre-mga1), we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should get this fixed asap.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> PS: since we're enabling backports, we should make sure that the update
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> validation process would have one of both required tests for validation
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with backports enabled and the other disabled.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is doubled now because we have two releases and most updates include
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> both. It will be effectively quadrupled with this plan and that would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unsustainable. We just don't have the manpower or enough hours in a day,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we are struggling to cope as it is.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> actually, it doesn't need to be.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you already test twice before validating updates, right?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so, there's 2 options:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing i586 with backports enabled
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing x86_64 without backports enabled
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this is still 2 tests, and this is sufficient.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+NO.
+
+First of all, _anything_ heading for updates that is not noarch needs
+to be validated on both arches.
+
+Secondly, when QA validate stuff for /updates, they dont need
+to test _anything_ against backports as /updates is _only_ used to
+fix stuff in /release &amp; /updates.
+
+If something in backports breaks as a result of something going to
+/updates, that's a separate bug against backported package and will
+be handled after.
+
+Remember that /updates is priority 1, and /backports is handled
+as QA time permits at lower priority.
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+Thomas
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> On 21/06/12 22:01, AL13N wrote:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> All this assumes that backport media will be treated as a normal update
+</I>&gt;<i> media. That is certainly not my impression. My impression of backports
+</I>&gt;<i> are being able to install a new blender for example, not having a system
+</I>&gt;<i> where backports are just another update media and replace everything
+</I>&gt;<i> available. The QA task for that scenario would be ridiculously huge. If
+</I>&gt;<i> you want to have backports which go any further than backports testing
+</I>&gt;<i> then you seriously need to rethink this idea.
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> The aim of fixing this bug is to reduce the complexity and extra
+</I>&gt;<i> workload of working around it for QA. This assumption and solution
+</I>&gt;<i> actually has the opposite effect, dramatically increasing the complexity
+</I>&gt;<i> and workload. As I've explained, that is simply not possible if we want
+</I>&gt;<i> to release timely updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope this makes the situation clearer. There is a workable solution
+</I>&gt;<i> but I'm afraid it isn't this one, for the reasons given above.
+</I>
+No offense, but i think it didn't make myself clear and as a result i
+think you are not understanding this properly.
+
+my proposal is actually to make sure QA only needs to test twice for each
+package (both updates and backports).
+
+&quot;My impression of backports are being able to install a new blender for
+example&quot;
+
+this exact idea that you have, will make QA testing unworkable. let me try
+to explain:
+
+suppose that only blender and firefox and gimp and java is backported. any
+kind of combination would have to be tested to be able to support
+backports:
+- testing backports blender on a system without backports
+- testing backports blender on a system with backports and only firefox
+installed from backports
+- testing backports blender on a system with backports and only gimp
+installed from backports
+- testing backports blender on a system with backports and only java
+installed from backports
+- testing backports blender on a system with backports and both firefox
+and gimp installed from backports
+- testing backports blender on a system with backports and both firefox
+and java installed from backports
+- testing backports blender on a system with backports and both gimp and
+java installed from backports
+- testing backports blender on a system with backports and firefox and
+gimp and java installed from backports
+
+This for each arch: thus 16 tests.
+
+This amount of tests is a direct result of trying to support backports
+when you can have any single backported package installed, that you want.
+
+you'd have to test this because in case of new dependencies, it could even
+conflict during installation!!!
+
+and the biggest problem is that the same problem exists when having an
+update that has a new dependency. Thus, the same tests should be done for
+updates as well.
+
+all of this, just to support backports being cherry-picked.
+
+I'd rather have unsupported backports.
+
+My proposal (B2) is a compromise that has only supporting backports if you
+use it for everything, and has only 2 tests per package. THE SAME AS WE DO
+NOW!
+
+to repeat: i'm trying to propose a solution that makes QA have NO INCREASE
+of workload.
+
+the only extra point, is that for validating:
+
+right now, you're asking if it's tested for both i586 and x86_64.
+
+for B2, this is still the same, except that i586 should have backports
+disabled and x86_64 have backports enabled.
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+I hope this is clearer now
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> AL13N skrev 21.6.2012 21:09:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op donderdag 21 juni 2012 19:01:51 schreef Claire Robinson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> since QA is waiting for a fix for this for a long time (pre-mga1), we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should get this fixed asap.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> PS: since we're enabling backports, we should make sure that the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> validation process would have one of both required tests for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> validation
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with backports enabled and the other disabled.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It is doubled now because we have two releases and most updates include
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> both. It will be effectively quadrupled with this plan and that would
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unsustainable. We just don't have the manpower or enough hours in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> day,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we are struggling to cope as it is.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> actually, it doesn't need to be.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you already test twice before validating updates, right?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so, there's 2 options:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - testing i586 with backports enabled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - testing x86_64 without backports enabled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this is still 2 tests, and this is sufficient.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> NO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First of all, _anything_ heading for updates that is not noarch needs
+</I>&gt;<i> to be validated on both arches.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Secondly, when QA validate stuff for /updates, they dont need
+</I>&gt;<i> to test _anything_ against backports as /updates is _only_ used to
+</I>&gt;<i> fix stuff in /release &amp; /updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If something in backports breaks as a result of something going to
+</I>&gt;<i> /updates, that's a separate bug against backported package and will
+</I>&gt;<i> be handled after.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remember that /updates is priority 1, and /backports is handled
+</I>&gt;<i> as QA time permits at lower priority.
+</I>
+I do agree with you here, except that i'm trying to prevent this from
+happening, because it's not something that can be easily fixed.
+
+1. package A is backported into X
+1b. package A-foo is backported into X-foo (subpackage)
+2. package B is updated into Y at a later date
+3. package update Y has a new dependency A-foo
+4. person has X installed; but didn't install X-foo.
+5. person updates B into Y
+
+result is that Y pulls in as new dependency A-foo
+
+but X conflicts with A-foo
+
+so the update does not happen, and you get an ugly error.
+
+
+my point is that:
+1. since it's a new dependency, we can't know before we backport A that it
+would be used as a new dependency for an update. because the update isn't
+there yet, so we don't know beforehand.
+2. more importantly, i don't see anyway to get this fixed without the user
+manually fiddling with things (downgrading back to unbackported package;
+or manually installing X-foo;)
+
+
+Maybe i'm looking too far ahead, but unless i'm missing an obvious way to
+cleanly fix this at the time of the update, this is still something we
+should avoid.
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+    <B>Claire Robinson</B> 
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+&gt;<i> suppose that only blender and firefox and gimp and java is backported. any
+</I>&gt;<i> kind of combination would have to be tested to be able to support
+</I>&gt;<i> backports:
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing backports blender on a system without backports
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing backports blender on a system with backports and only firefox
+</I>&gt;<i> installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing backports blender on a system with backports and only gimp
+</I>&gt;<i> installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing backports blender on a system with backports and only java
+</I>&gt;<i> installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing backports blender on a system with backports and both firefox
+</I>&gt;<i> and gimp installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing backports blender on a system with backports and both firefox
+</I>&gt;<i> and java installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing backports blender on a system with backports and both gimp and
+</I>&gt;<i> java installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing backports blender on a system with backports and firefox and
+</I>&gt;<i> gimp and java installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This for each arch: thus 16 tests.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This amount of tests is a direct result of trying to support backports
+</I>&gt;<i> when you can have any single backported package installed, that you want.
+</I>
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+I think you are misunderstanding the kind of support we can offer for 
+backports. See Thomas's email. We will test a package installs and 
+works. We don't plan on supporting updates against already installed 
+backports, at least none that I'm aware of and if so then we maybe ought 
+to rethink opening backports altogether.
+
+We obviously support updates against already installed updates. If that 
+happens to break a backported package then that is not our main concern. 
+We certainly have no plans to add an extra layer of testing to regular 
+updates to check for that. I've never used a distro where backports were 
+treated that way and we absolutely do not have the manpower in QA to 
+support it. I'm not sure what other way to say it. I apologise if that 
+narrows the options on backports policy but this is the reality of it.
+
+That though is a separate discussion (or should be) and not related to 
+fixing bug 2317.
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+<PRE>AL13N a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;<i> On 21/06/12 22:01, AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All this assumes that backport media will be treated as a normal update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> media. That is certainly not my impression. My impression of backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are being able to install a new blender for example, not having a system
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> where backports are just another update media and replace everything
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> available. The QA task for that scenario would be ridiculously huge. If
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you want to have backports which go any further than backports testing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then you seriously need to rethink this idea.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The aim of fixing this bug is to reduce the complexity and extra
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> workload of working around it for QA. This assumption and solution
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> actually has the opposite effect, dramatically increasing the complexity
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and workload. As I've explained, that is simply not possible if we want
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to release timely updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I hope this makes the situation clearer. There is a workable solution
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but I'm afraid it isn't this one, for the reasons given above.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> No offense, but i think it didn't make myself clear and as a result i
+</I>&gt;<i> think you are not understanding this properly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my proposal is actually to make sure QA only needs to test twice for each
+</I>&gt;<i> package (both updates and backports).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;My impression of backports are being able to install a new blender for
+</I>&gt;<i> example&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this exact idea that you have, will make QA testing unworkable. let me try
+</I>&gt;<i> to explain:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> suppose that only blender and firefox and gimp and java is backported. any
+</I>&gt;<i> kind of combination would have to be tested to be able to support
+</I>&gt;<i> backports:
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing backports blender on a system without backports
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing backports blender on a system with backports and only firefox
+</I>&gt;<i> installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing backports blender on a system with backports and only gimp
+</I>&gt;<i> installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing backports blender on a system with backports and only java
+</I>&gt;<i> installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing backports blender on a system with backports and both firefox
+</I>&gt;<i> and gimp installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing backports blender on a system with backports and both firefox
+</I>&gt;<i> and java installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing backports blender on a system with backports and both gimp and
+</I>&gt;<i> java installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> - testing backports blender on a system with backports and firefox and
+</I>&gt;<i> gimp and java installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This for each arch: thus 16 tests.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+This analysis makes absolutely no sense.
+All &quot;cherry-picking&quot; backports means is that a user can choose to 
+install only one or several backport packages, just as a user can 
+install only one or several optional release packages, or one or several 
+proposed updates.
+Do you really think that QA tests release blender with/without firefox 
+installed, with/without gimp installed, etc ?  Considering that there 
+are a lot more than 5 optional packages in a release, that would make an 
+incredible number of tests.
+
+&gt;<i> This amount of tests is a direct result of trying to support backports
+</I>&gt;<i> when you can have any single backported package installed, that you want.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you'd have to test this because in case of new dependencies, it could even
+</I>&gt;<i> conflict during installation!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and the biggest problem is that the same problem exists when having an
+</I>&gt;<i> update that has a new dependency. Thus, the same tests should be done for
+</I>&gt;<i> updates as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> all of this, just to support backports being cherry-picked.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+Just think what is meant by &quot;cherry-picked&quot;.
+
+&gt;<i> I'd rather have unsupported backports.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My proposal (B2) is a compromise that has only supporting backports if you
+</I>&gt;<i> use it for everything, and has only 2 tests per package. THE SAME AS WE DO
+</I>&gt;<i> NOW!
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+Which is all that is ever needed.
+
+&gt;<i> to repeat: i'm trying to propose a solution that makes QA have NO INCREASE
+</I>&gt;<i> of workload.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+It does increase the total workload, as each backport package has to be 
+tested in the release to which it applies.  But only one test per 
+architecture.
+Don't forget that backports will be leaf packages (or a set of related 
+packages on which nothing else is dependant), so they will be simpler to 
+test.
+
+&gt;<i> the only extra point, is that for validating:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> right now, you're asking if it's tested for both i586 and x86_64.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for B2, this is still the same, except that i586 should have backports
+</I>&gt;<i> disabled and x86_64 have backports enabled.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope this is clearer now
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Le 22/06/2012 12:00, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 22/06/12 10:18 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 18/06/2012 01:15, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If all is well, this will go into cauldron at the end of the week.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Strangely enough, I was not able to log in anymore in gdm. The log
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> doesn't bring much information:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Jun 22 10:01:10 localhost gdm-password][4225]:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pam_succeed_if(gdm-password:auth): requirement &quot;user ingroup
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nopasswdlogin&quot; not met by user &quot;guillaume&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Jun 22 10:01:25 localhost gdm-password][4225]:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pam_tcb(gdm-password:auth): Authentication failed for guillaume from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (uid=0)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Login in tty was OK, tough, so I'd rather incriminate gdm pam
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> GDM here is fine for me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anything special in your gdm pam configs? Or even in the system-auth pam
+</I>&gt;<i> file?
+</I>Yes, I'm using pam_mount to automatically mount my encrypted home 
+directory. But given that it is handled in system-auth, and that other 
+kind of login works, I'm sceptic.
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #279:
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+The static electricity routing is acting up...
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+&gt;<i> I do agree with you here, except that i'm trying to prevent this from
+</I>&gt;<i> happening, because it's not something that can be easily fixed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. package A is backported into X
+</I>&gt;<i> 1b. package A-foo is backported into X-foo (subpackage)
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. package B is updated into Y at a later date
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. package update Y has a new dependency A-foo
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. person has X installed; but didn't install X-foo.
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. person updates B into Y
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> result is that Y pulls in as new dependency A-foo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but X conflicts with A-foo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so the update does not happen, and you get an ugly error.
+</I>Yes, that's what happens when you use backports. But this case can be solved. Person having
+this problem will install X-foo from backports and case is probably closed (yes! this is
+what you have to do if you are using backports). If not then s/he is still on his/her own as
+we are dealing with backports. It's not something you can make bulletproof (and we really
+shouldn't waste too much time on it).
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+<PRE>22.06.2012 13:20, AL13N kirjutas:
+&gt;&gt;<i> And about the conflicting part - well, at that point you are already on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> your own, at least
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as i see it. Backports can break updating/upgrading, we can't avoid that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (and for the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reason backports should be cherry-picked, so you get as little trouble as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> possible). The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> best you can do at that point is to submit a bug about broken update and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maybe (just maybe)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we can submit the updated package that needs those new deps into backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> too - so you can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pull it from there and get over the update problem. But this should be a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rare case anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i> Breaking updates because we try to support backports is not something that
+</I>&gt;<i> i wish to have, no matter how rare the case.
+</I>Sorry to disappoint you, but this is something you can't avoid. And for that reason
+backports are not enabled by default ;)
+&gt;<i> And your solution wouldn't work, except for backporting the update and
+</I>&gt;<i> having the user manually try to use the backported version for that too...
+</I>Yes, you are finally starting to get my point. User has to manually fix those problems with
+backports and there is nothing we can do about it (at least it won't be easy).
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 22/06/12 12:36 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 22/06/2012 12:00, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 22/06/12 10:18 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 18/06/2012 01:15, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If all is well, this will go into cauldron at the end of the week.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Strangely enough, I was not able to log in anymore in gdm. The log
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> doesn't bring much information:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Jun 22 10:01:10 localhost gdm-password][4225]:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pam_succeed_if(gdm-password:auth): requirement &quot;user ingroup
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nopasswdlogin&quot; not met by user &quot;guillaume&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Jun 22 10:01:25 localhost gdm-password][4225]:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pam_tcb(gdm-password:auth): Authentication failed for guillaume from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (uid=0)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Login in tty was OK, tough, so I'd rather incriminate gdm pam
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> configuration.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> GDM here is fine for me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anything special in your gdm pam configs? Or even in the system-auth pam
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file?
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I'm using pam_mount to automatically mount my encrypted home
+</I>&gt;<i> directory. But given that it is handled in system-auth, and that other
+</I>&gt;<i> kind of login works, I'm sceptic.
+</I>
+Well I'm somewhat sceptical too, but I'd still like to work out why it
+fails for you.
+
+I would imagine it works for TV tho' I don't know for certain if the two
+machines he referred to run a DE or not.
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+Any chance you can test with a dummy user or manually mount your home
+first and disable the pam_mount just to rule it out?
+
+Col
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+<PRE>On 22 June 2012 14:58, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anything special in your gdm pam configs? Or even in the system-auth pam
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, I'm using pam_mount to automatically mount my encrypted home
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> directory. But given that it is handled in system-auth, and that other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kind of login works, I'm sceptic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well I'm somewhat sceptical too, but I'd still like to work out why it
+</I>&gt;<i> fails for you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would imagine it works for TV tho' I don't know for certain if the two
+</I>&gt;<i> machines he referred to run a DE or not.
+</I>
+One does, one doesn't.
+On the one that does, btw, one must provide the root password in order
+to mount a USB key if &quot;su - foobar&quot; is run in a terminal...
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 22 juni 2012 15:00:14 schreef Sander Lepik:
+&gt;<i> 22.06.2012 13:20, AL13N kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; And about the conflicting part - well, at that point you are already on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; your own, at least
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; as i see it. Backports can break updating/upgrading, we can't avoid that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (and for the same
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; reason backports should be cherry-picked, so you get as little trouble as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; possible). The
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; best you can do at that point is to submit a bug about broken update and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; maybe (just maybe)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; we can submit the updated package that needs those new deps into
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; too - so you can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; pull it from there and get over the update problem. But this should be a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; rare case anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Breaking updates because we try to support backports is not something that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i wish to have, no matter how rare the case.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry to disappoint you, but this is something you can't avoid. And for that
+</I>&gt;<i> reason backports are not enabled by default ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And your solution wouldn't work, except for backporting the update and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; having the user manually try to use the backported version for that too...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, you are finally starting to get my point. User has to manually fix
+</I>&gt;<i> those problems with backports and there is nothing we can do about it (at
+</I>&gt;<i> least it won't be easy).
+</I>
+considering both these points, we can't call backports supported IMHO.
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+i'd rather have unsupported backports then, as we had before in mdv. calling 
+it supported and not being able to fix these 2 points is just ridiculous.
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+I've tried to find a solution where backports are feasable, but it seems noone 
+wishes to use it or consider it like that (where you're using all backports), 
+so let's just cut the case and have unsupported backports. it's less work on 
+QA.
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+but this is all regarding backports, and not for bug 2317.
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+considering that backports is unsupported, my patch for 2317 is still valid, 
+because you shouldn't have backports selected when updating, because it's not 
+supported.
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+I still think my patch is better, but if someone can make the patch using the 
+corresponding release media, i'll not object anymore...
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+&gt;<i> &gt; suppose that only blender and firefox and gimp and java is backported. any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; kind of combination would have to be tested to be able to support
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backports:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - testing backports blender on a system without backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - testing backports blender on a system with backports and only firefox
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - testing backports blender on a system with backports and only gimp
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - testing backports blender on a system with backports and only java
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - testing backports blender on a system with backports and both firefox
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and gimp installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - testing backports blender on a system with backports and both firefox
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and java installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - testing backports blender on a system with backports and both gimp and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; java installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - testing backports blender on a system with backports and firefox and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gimp and java installed from backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This for each arch: thus 16 tests.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This amount of tests is a direct result of trying to support backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; when you can have any single backported package installed, that you want.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you are misunderstanding the kind of support we can offer for
+</I>&gt;<i> backports. See Thomas's email. We will test a package installs and
+</I>&gt;<i> works. We don't plan on supporting updates against already installed
+</I>&gt;<i> backports, at least none that I'm aware of and if so then we maybe ought
+</I>&gt;<i> to rethink opening backports altogether.
+</I>
+exactly, at this point, since noone thinks having supported backports is 
+feasably, i think we should just have backports being unsupported, less QA 
+that way too.
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+because i'd hate to have &quot;supported backports&quot;, but breaking updates in the 
+process...
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+&gt;<i> We obviously support updates against already installed updates. If that
+</I>&gt;<i> happens to break a backported package then that is not our main concern.
+</I>&gt;<i> We certainly have no plans to add an extra layer of testing to regular
+</I>&gt;<i> updates to check for that. I've never used a distro where backports were
+</I>&gt;<i> treated that way and we absolutely do not have the manpower in QA to
+</I>&gt;<i> support it. I'm not sure what other way to say it. I apologise if that
+</I>&gt;<i> narrows the options on backports policy but this is the reality of it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That though is a separate discussion (or should be) and not related to
+</I>&gt;<i> fixing bug 2317.
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> 22.06.2012 13:53, AL13N kirjutas
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I do agree with you here, except that i'm trying to prevent this from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; happening, because it's not something that can be easily fixed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. package A is backported into X
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1b. package A-foo is backported into X-foo (subpackage)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. package B is updated into Y at a later date
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3. package update Y has a new dependency A-foo
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 4. person has X installed; but didn't install X-foo.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 5. person updates B into Y
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; result is that Y pulls in as new dependency A-foo
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but X conflicts with A-foo
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so the update does not happen, and you get an ugly error.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that's what happens when you use backports. But this case can be
+</I>&gt;<i> solved. Person having this problem will install X-foo from backports and
+</I>&gt;<i> case is probably closed (yes! this is what you have to do if you are using
+</I>&gt;<i> backports). If not then s/he is still on his/her own as we are dealing with
+</I>&gt;<i> backports. It's not something you can make bulletproof (and we really
+</I>&gt;<i> shouldn't waste too much time on it).
+</I>
+which is exactly my point, this is not being &quot;supported&quot; at all...
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+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 22 juni 2012 14:46:17 schreef Sander Lepik:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 22.06.2012 13:53, AL13N kirjutas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I do agree with you here, except that i'm trying to prevent this from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> happening, because it's not something that can be easily fixed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. package A is backported into X
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1b. package A-foo is backported into X-foo (subpackage)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. package B is updated into Y at a later date
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3. package update Y has a new dependency A-foo
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 4. person has X installed; but didn't install X-foo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5. person updates B into Y
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> result is that Y pulls in as new dependency A-foo
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but X conflicts with A-foo
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so the update does not happen, and you get an ugly error.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, that's what happens when you use backports. But this case can be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> solved. Person having this problem will install X-foo from backports and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> case is probably closed (yes! this is what you have to do if you are using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports). If not then s/he is still on his/her own as we are dealing with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports. It's not something you can make bulletproof (and we really
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shouldn't waste too much time on it).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> which is exactly my point, this is not being &quot;supported&quot; at all...
+</I>
+Perhaps &quot;tested&quot; is a better word :)
+
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+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 22 juni 2012 11:58:10 schreef Claire Robinson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think you are misunderstanding the kind of support we can offer for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports. See Thomas's email. We will test a package installs and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> works. We don't plan on supporting updates against already installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports, at least none that I'm aware of and if so then we maybe ought
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to rethink opening backports altogether.
+</I>&gt;<i> exactly, at this point, since noone thinks having supported backports is 
+</I>&gt;<i> feasably, i think we should just have backports being unsupported, less QA 
+</I>&gt;<i> that way too.
+</I>We support them only that much that they can be installed and basic functionality works (and
+this was needed because at Mandriva times some backports just didn't work at all and so
+backports got bad reputation - we wanted to fix that part). For me it never was more than that.
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+<PRE>22.06.2012 19:29, Claire Robinson kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> On 22/06/12 17:00, AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 22 juni 2012 14:46:17 schreef Sander Lepik:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, that's what happens when you use backports. But this case can be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> solved. Person having this problem will install X-foo from backports and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> case is probably closed (yes! this is what you have to do if you are using
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backports). If not then s/he is still on his/her own as we are dealing with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backports. It's not something you can make bulletproof (and we really
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> shouldn't waste too much time on it).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which is exactly my point, this is not being &quot;supported&quot; at all...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps &quot;tested&quot; is a better word :)
+</I>+1, tested sounds a lot better. &quot;Tested by QA&quot; and that's it :)
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">4FE4378F.3070701 at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 21/06/12 19:35 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To me, &quot;Mageia&quot; and &quot;Mageia&quot; looks exactly the same, so here it would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> seem to be a search and replace error when one replaced the various
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva texts with Mageia equivalent.
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+</I>&gt;<i>Looks like a a search/replace problem as you suggest.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Should I file this as a bug?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Sounds like a good plan :) (assuming no one fixes it first)
+</I>
+Old one... <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1122">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1122</A>
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+&gt;<i> 22.06.2012 18:59, AL13N kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op vrijdag 22 juni 2012 11:58:10 schreef Claire Robinson:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I think you are misunderstanding the kind of support we can offer for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; backports. See Thomas's email. We will test a package installs and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; works. We don't plan on supporting updates against already installed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; backports, at least none that I'm aware of and if so then we maybe ought
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to rethink opening backports altogether.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; exactly, at this point, since noone thinks having supported backports is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; feasably, i think we should just have backports being unsupported, less QA
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that way too.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We support them only that much that they can be installed and basic
+</I>&gt;<i> functionality works (and this was needed because at Mandriva times some
+</I>&gt;<i> backports just didn't work at all and so backports got bad reputation - we
+</I>&gt;<i> wanted to fix that part). For me it never was more than that.
+</I>
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 22 juni 2012 19:38:05 schreef Sander Lepik:
+&gt;<i> 22.06.2012 19:29, Claire Robinson kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 22/06/12 17:00, AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Op vrijdag 22 juni 2012 14:46:17 schreef Sander Lepik:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Yes, that's what happens when you use backports. But this case can be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; solved. Person having this problem will install X-foo from backports and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; case is probably closed (yes! this is what you have to do if you are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; backports). If not then s/he is still on his/her own as we are dealing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; backports. It's not something you can make bulletproof (and we really
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; shouldn't waste too much time on it).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; which is exactly my point, this is not being &quot;supported&quot; at all...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Perhaps &quot;tested&quot; is a better word :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> +1, tested sounds a lot better. &quot;Tested by QA&quot; and that's it :)
+</I>
+ok, i guess when people said, supported, i immediately assumed full support. 
+that kind of misled me.
+
+tested by QA, ok. but we still can't guarantee that it won't be installable 
+without error, or even that update might not be installable due to an 
+installed backport.
+
+In any case, not something i'll recommend to people, and as such, i don't 
+think there's a need for mgaapplet to handle backport functionality either.
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+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 22 juni 2012 19:34:54 schreef Sander Lepik:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 22.06.2012 18:59, AL13N kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 22 juni 2012 11:58:10 schreef Claire Robinson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think you are misunderstanding the kind of support we can offer for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backports. See Thomas's email. We will test a package installs and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> works. We don't plan on supporting updates against already installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backports, at least none that I'm aware of and if so then we maybe ought
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to rethink opening backports altogether.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> exactly, at this point, since noone thinks having supported backports is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> feasably, i think we should just have backports being unsupported, less QA
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that way too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We support them only that much that they can be installed and basic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> functionality works (and this was needed because at Mandriva times some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports just didn't work at all and so backports got bad reputation - we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wanted to fix that part). For me it never was more than that.
+</I>&gt;<i> but, you cannot guarantee install without errors, as we spoke of above.
+</I>Why not? At the moment when backport is submitted from backports_testing to backports it
+must be installable. If something will break after then it's another problem. But i don't
+remember any such problems from Mandriva times.
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+    <I>Fri Jun 22 22:41:59 CEST 2012</I>
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+I spent some time this evening on porting the npapi-vlc package from SUSE to
+Mageia Cauldron and it was now uploaded:
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+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A>
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+This implements a media playback plugin for such browsers as Firefox and
+Chromium (did not try others but they should be fine as well) using the VLC
+engine. You should be able to install it by running &quot;urpmi npapi-vlc&quot;.
+
+I'd like to thank:
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+1. The VLC project for their work on the core player and the plugin.
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+2. The SUSE packagers for preparing a package.
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+Enjoy!
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish
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+&gt;<i> This implements a media playback plugin for such browsers as Firefox and
+</I>&gt;<i> Chromium (did not try others but they should be fine as well) using the VLC
+</I>&gt;<i> engine. You should be able to install it by running &quot;urpmi npapi-vlc&quot;.
+</I>[...]
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+Does this show only regular videos, or does this also work for HTML5 videos?
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+    <B>David W. Hodgins</B> 
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+    <I>Sat Jun 23 00:14:50 CEST 2012</I>
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+&gt;<i> ok, i guess when people said, supported, i immediately assumed full support.
+</I>&gt;<i> that kind of misled me.
+</I>
+My understanding, is that backports will have minimal testing.
+
+We ensure the backport will install, on a system that currently
+only has release + updates, and that the basic functions of the
+package work, where it's possible for us to test.
+
+We cannot possibly test every possible combination of selected
+backports, and will not attempt to.
+
+What I don't want to see, which I did with Mandriva backports,
+is cases where unsigned rpm packages were in the repositories,
+or installation required the use of --allow-nodeps or --allow-force,
+due to file conflicts with release or updates packages.  Those
+problems were rare, but often enough, that I wouldn't let the end
+users I support install backports themselves.
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+bugfix release in the same major version.
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+however, mariadb has been having rpm build issues and as such one of the last 
+changes seemed to introduce a few things:
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+- 2 man pages missing (i reverted this for us)
+- 1 config file missing. (i reverted this for us)
+- private header files are installed (i removed this from our package)
+- selinux configuration for RHEL4 now appears (i also removed this)
+- handlersocket plugin is now installed. (i put this in the -extra subpackage)
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+This looks obviously a feature, except that i didn't it was stable for 5.5.23 
+and was simply forgotten to be installed, and is thus categorized as a bugfix.
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+Next to these are quite the amount of bugfixes. (none security related afaik).
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:11:58 -0400, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ok, i guess when people said, supported, i immediately assumed full
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; support. that kind of misled me.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> My understanding, is that backports will have minimal testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We ensure the backport will install, on a system that currently
+</I>&gt;<i> only has release + updates, and that the basic functions of the
+</I>&gt;<i> package work, where it's possible for us to test.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We cannot possibly test every possible combination of selected
+</I>&gt;<i> backports, and will not attempt to.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> What I don't want to see, which I did with Mandriva backports,
+</I>&gt;<i> is cases where unsigned rpm packages were in the repositories,
+</I>&gt;<i> or installation required the use of --allow-nodeps or --allow-force,
+</I>&gt;<i> due to file conflicts with release or updates packages.  Those
+</I>&gt;<i> problems were rare, but often enough, that I wouldn't let the end
+</I>&gt;<i> users I support install backports themselves.
+</I>
+well, imho even with this testing it's still possible, allthough likely rarer 
+that the user would have to use these or any other manual procedures. even 
+with updates.
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+(unsigned rpms should be caught by the build process, even though it still 
+sometimes fails for reasons unbeknownst)
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+in any case, i don't think of this as supported and won't suggest backports to 
+any user who doesn't have the necessary skills to fix it himself.
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+&gt;<i> I was planning on doing 5.5.25 as an update since all post-GA releases are
+</I>&gt;<i> bugfix release in the same major version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> however, mariadb has been having rpm build issues and as such one of the last
+</I>&gt;<i> changes seemed to introduce a few things:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - 2 man pages missing (i reverted this for us)
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 config file missing. (i reverted this for us)
+</I>&gt;<i> - private header files are installed (i removed this from our package)
+</I>&gt;<i> - selinux configuration for RHEL4 now appears (i also removed this)
+</I>&gt;<i> - handlersocket plugin is now installed. (i put this in the -extra subpackage)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This looks obviously a feature, except that i didn't it was stable for 5.5.23
+</I>&gt;<i> and was simply forgotten to be installed, and is thus categorized as a bugfix.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Next to these are quite the amount of bugfixes. (none security related afaik).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this acceptable for updates? or isn't it?
+</I>
+why do you ask *after* commiting on the svn ? would be better to ask &quot;before&quot;
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+<PRE>AL13N a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 22 juni 2012 18:14:50 schreef David W. Hodgins:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:11:58 -0400, AL13N&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ok, i guess when people said, supported, i immediately assumed full
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> support. that kind of misled me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My understanding, is that backports will have minimal testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We ensure the backport will install, on a system that currently
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> only has release + updates, and that the basic functions of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package work, where it's possible for us to test.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We cannot possibly test every possible combination of selected
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports, and will not attempt to.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What I don't want to see, which I did with Mandriva backports,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is cases where unsigned rpm packages were in the repositories,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or installation required the use of --allow-nodeps or --allow-force,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> due to file conflicts with release or updates packages.  Those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problems were rare, but often enough, that I wouldn't let the end
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> users I support install backports themselves.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> well, imho even with this testing it's still possible, allthough likely rarer
+</I>&gt;<i> that the user would have to use these or any other manual procedures. even
+</I>&gt;<i> with updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (unsigned rpms should be caught by the build process, even though it still
+</I>&gt;<i> sometimes fails for reasons unbeknownst)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in any case, i don't think of this as supported and won't suggest backports to
+</I>&gt;<i> any user who doesn't have the necessary skills to fix it himself.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+Note that it depends what we mean by support.
+In terms of support that would be provided by an expensive commercial 
+entity that specializes in support, some might argue that our release 
+packages aren't supported.
+
+For backports, there is the understanding that in addition to being 
+tested by QA (after initial packager and end-user tests), that the 
+packager would commit to providing security updates as necessary.  This 
+is much more than &quot;no support at all&quot;, as happened with mdv backports.
+
+Considering that each backport will be a leaf package (or exceptionally, 
+a leaf group of related packages), any breakage that would occur should 
+only affect the backport (or backport group) in question.
+
+In terms of updates to backports, which I think is a good idea for 
+security fixes, any conflicts introduced should be rare.  In those 
+cases, indeed updates could fail.  But I don't think it is much more 
+likely than with packages from release or update repos.
+
+Note that an end-user installing the occasional backport, to provide a 
+specific function desired, should not generally cause any problems.  
+Even for an end-user with minimal skills.  As long as the user 
+understands that backports have a lower level of support.  We have the 
+discuss list and the forum to help the end-user in the case of problems.
+
+In sum, I like the idea of saying &quot;tested by QA&quot;, as Claire proposed, 
+which suggests the lower level of support we propose for backports.
+
+My 2 cents :)
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 12:42 AM, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I was planning on doing 5.5.25 as an update since all post-GA releases are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; bugfix release in the same major version.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; however, mariadb has been having rpm build issues and as such one of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; last changes seemed to introduce a few things:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - 2 man pages missing (i reverted this for us)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - 1 config file missing. (i reverted this for us)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - private header files are installed (i removed this from our package)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - selinux configuration for RHEL4 now appears (i also removed this)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - handlersocket plugin is now installed. (i put this in the -extra
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; subpackage)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This looks obviously a feature, except that i didn't it was stable for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 5.5.23 and was simply forgotten to be installed, and is thus categorized
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as a bugfix.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Next to these are quite the amount of bugfixes. (none security related
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; afaik).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is this acceptable for updates? or isn't it?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> why do you ask *after* commiting on the svn ? would be better to ask
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;before&quot;
+</I>
+huh? i didn't commit yet? or at least i didn't think i had?
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+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 23 juni 2012 01:00:03 schreef D.Morgan:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 12:42 AM, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I was planning on doing 5.5.25 as an update since all post-GA releases
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; bugfix release in the same major version.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; however, mariadb has been having rpm build issues and as such one of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; last changes seemed to introduce a few things:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - 2 man pages missing (i reverted this for us)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - 1 config file missing. (i reverted this for us)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - private header files are installed (i removed this from our package)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - selinux configuration for RHEL4 now appears (i also removed this)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - handlersocket plugin is now installed. (i put this in the -extra
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; subpackage)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; This looks obviously a feature, except that i didn't it was stable for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 5.5.23 and was simply forgotten to be installed, and is thus categorized
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; as a bugfix.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Next to these are quite the amount of bugfixes. (none security related
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; afaik).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Is this acceptable for updates? or isn't it?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; why do you ask *after* commiting on the svn ? would be better to ask
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;before&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> huh? i didn't commit yet? or at least i didn't think i had?
+</I>
+ah wait, i did a &quot;mgarepo sync -d&quot; . are you referring to that?
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+i did almost accidentally commit, but it told me that the commit had failed 
+(due to my CTRL+C)
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+but checking my svn workspace, the spec file and the extra patch isn't 
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 23 juni 2012 07:53:40 schreef AL13N:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 23 juni 2012 01:00:03 schreef D.Morgan:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 12:42 AM, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I was planning on doing 5.5.25 as an update since all post-GA releases
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; bugfix release in the same major version.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; however, mariadb has been having rpm build issues and as such one of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; last changes seemed to introduce a few things:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - 2 man pages missing (i reverted this for us)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - 1 config file missing. (i reverted this for us)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - private header files are installed (i removed this from our package)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - selinux configuration for RHEL4 now appears (i also removed this)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - handlersocket plugin is now installed. (i put this in the -extra
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; subpackage)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; This looks obviously a feature, except that i didn't it was stable for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 5.5.23 and was simply forgotten to be installed, and is thus categorized
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; as a bugfix.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Next to these are quite the amount of bugfixes. (none security related
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; afaik).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Is this acceptable for updates? or isn't it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; why do you ask *after* commiting on the svn ? would be better to ask
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;before&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> huh? i didn't commit yet? or at least i didn't think i had?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ah wait, i did a &quot;mgarepo sync -d&quot; . are you referring to that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i did almost accidentally commit, but it told me that the commit had failed
+</I>&gt;<i> (due to my CTRL+C)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but checking my svn workspace, the spec file and the extra patch isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> committed though
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/updates/2/mariadb/current/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/updates/2/mariadb/current/</A>
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+commited 10 hours ago
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+Version:        5.5.25
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+so spec file have been commited.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 23/06/12 10:10 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 8:03 AM, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 23 juni 2012 07:53:40 schreef AL13N:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 23 juni 2012 01:00:03 schreef D.Morgan:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 12:42 AM, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was planning on doing 5.5.25 as an update since all post-GA releases
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> bugfix release in the same major version.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> however, mariadb has been having rpm build issues and as such one of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> last changes seemed to introduce a few things:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - 2 man pages missing (i reverted this for us)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - 1 config file missing. (i reverted this for us)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - private header files are installed (i removed this from our package)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - selinux configuration for RHEL4 now appears (i also removed this)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - handlersocket plugin is now installed. (i put this in the -extra
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> subpackage)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This looks obviously a feature, except that i didn't it was stable for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5.5.23 and was simply forgotten to be installed, and is thus categorized
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as a bugfix.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Next to these are quite the amount of bugfixes. (none security related
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> afaik).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is this acceptable for updates? or isn't it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> why do you ask *after* commiting on the svn ? would be better to ask
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;before&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> huh? i didn't commit yet? or at least i didn't think i had?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ah wait, i did a &quot;mgarepo sync -d&quot; . are you referring to that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i did almost accidentally commit, but it told me that the commit had failed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (due to my CTRL+C)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but checking my svn workspace, the spec file and the extra patch isn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> committed though
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/updates/2/mariadb/current/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/updates/2/mariadb/current/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> commited 10 hours ago
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Version:        5.5.25
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> so spec file have been commited.
+</I>
+Yeah I've often found that with SVN commits where I realise a mistake
+has been made, my CTRL-C never seems to be quick enough!
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 23/06/12 10:10 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 8:03 AM, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 23 juni 2012 07:53:40 schreef AL13N:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 23 juni 2012 01:00:03 schreef D.Morgan:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 12:42 AM, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was planning on doing 5.5.25 as an update since all post-GA releases
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> bugfix release in the same major version.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> however, mariadb has been having rpm build issues and as such one of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> last changes seemed to introduce a few things:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - 2 man pages missing (i reverted this for us)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - 1 config file missing. (i reverted this for us)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - private header files are installed (i removed this from our package)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - selinux configuration for RHEL4 now appears (i also removed this)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - handlersocket plugin is now installed. (i put this in the -extra
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> subpackage)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This looks obviously a feature, except that i didn't it was stable for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5.5.23 and was simply forgotten to be installed, and is thus categorized
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as a bugfix.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Next to these are quite the amount of bugfixes. (none security related
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> afaik).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is this acceptable for updates? or isn't it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> why do you ask *after* commiting on the svn ? would be better to ask
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;before&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> huh? i didn't commit yet? or at least i didn't think i had?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ah wait, i did a &quot;mgarepo sync -d&quot; . are you referring to that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i did almost accidentally commit, but it told me that the commit had failed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (due to my CTRL+C)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but checking my svn workspace, the spec file and the extra patch isn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> committed though
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/updates/2/mariadb/current/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/updates/2/mariadb/current/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> commited 10 hours ago
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version: &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;5.5.25
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so spec file have been commited.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah I've often found that with SVN commits where I realise a mistake
+</I>&gt;<i> has been made, my CTRL-C never seems to be quick enough!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+btw to go back to the subject,  i am not &quot;against&quot; as there is no
+change in the major, so no rebuild needed.
+Do you have a list of the changes of this release ?
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+I'd like to propose this one:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
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+Feel free to comment
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+Cheers
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to propose this one:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Feel free to comment
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+* Many people (many reporters in the forums) had problems with the 
+upgrade function of Mgaapplet, because it doesn't respect the additional 
+nonfree (and tainted) repositories that were added by the user. Will 
+that be fixed first?
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6061">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6061</A>
+
+* Till when has the period to propose new Features been extended?
+
+I told Macxi he was too late to propose 
+<A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2824&amp;p=21181#p21131">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2824&amp;p=21181#p21131</A>
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+Cheers,
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 23/06/2012 14:24, Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 23/06/2012 13:50, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like to propose this one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Feel free to comment
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Many people (many reporters in the forums) had problems with the
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade function of Mgaapplet, because it doesn't respect the additional
+</I>&gt;<i> nonfree (and tainted) repositories that were added by the user. Will
+</I>&gt;<i> that be fixed first?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6061">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6061</A>
+</I>
+Then add it on wiki page for this feature
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Till when has the period to propose new Features been extended?
+</I>
+Well this is not the subject of this thread. But yes we are late due to 
+french event in Paris. I hope we will be able to give a status in the 
+beginning of next week
+&gt;<i> .
+</I>&gt;<i> I told Macxi he was too late to propose
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2824&amp;p=21181#p21131">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2824&amp;p=21181#p21131</A>
+</I>
+It's not too late. It's not because we have a fixed list of features 
+that people cannot propose some and work on it.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> marja
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+Anne
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+
+On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:52:43 +0200
+AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 22 juni 2012 23:41:59 schreef Shlomi Fish:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This implements a media playback plugin for such browsers as Firefox and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Chromium (did not try others but they should be fine as well) using the VLC
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; engine. You should be able to install it by running &quot;urpmi npapi-vlc&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Does this show only regular videos, or does this also work for HTML5 videos?
+</I>
+I think it only works when you view normal video files that are served with the
+right MIME encoding, and it does not try to prove of use for the HTML 5&#8217;s
+&lt;video&gt; tag.
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish
+
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer">mageia at colin.guthr.ie
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anne Nicolas at 23/06/12 12:50 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to propose this one:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
+</I>
+Hmm, I wonder if it should be fully removed, or whether it should just
+require that an internet connection is present such that anything not
+present on the media can be downloaded as needed. This could be a good
+compromise?
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Anne nicolas</B> 
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+<PRE>2012/6/23 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Nicolas at 23/06/12 12:50 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like to propose this one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, I wonder if it should be fully removed, or whether it should just
+</I>&gt;<i> require that an internet connection is present such that anything not
+</I>&gt;<i> present on the media can be downloaded as needed. This could be a good
+</I>&gt;<i> compromise?
+</I>
+pb also is to manage non-free repositories. Some users use DVD and add
+non-free drivers after.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+-- 
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>2012/6/23 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Nicolas at 23/06/12 12:50 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like to propose this one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, I wonder if it should be fully removed, or whether it should just
+</I>&gt;<i> require that an internet connection is present such that anything not
+</I>&gt;<i> present on the media can be downloaded as needed. This could be a good
+</I>&gt;<i> compromise?
+</I>
+This function is already available at the beginning of the installer
+(adding an additional media). The issue with the upgrade function at
+the end of the installer is: &quot;it is not working properly even if a
+functioning network is available&quot;.
+
+-- 
+wobo
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+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed-0.90.0-13.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3Cjs4vc3%24cab%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"
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+<PRE>luigiwalser wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name        : perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed           Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 0.90.0                            Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 13.mga3                       Build Date: Sat Jun 23 17:06:45 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> luigiwalser &lt;luigiwalser&gt; 0.90.0-13.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 262783
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for new xulrunner
+</I>
+I noticed that this is not in Mageia 2.  Should this not be in Cauldron?  If so, could someone delete it and move it to /obsolete?  Thanks.
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Nicolas at 23/06/12 12:50 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like to propose this one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, I wonder if it should be fully removed, or whether it should just
+</I>&gt;<i> require that an internet connection is present such that anything not
+</I>&gt;<i> present on the media can be downloaded as needed. This could be a good
+</I>&gt;<i> compromise?
+</I>
+Indeed.  I remember discussion when the mga2 release was being prepared of removing upgrade capability from the CD/DVD, because that can be 
+problematic when not all of the packages are available.  I don't remember anyone proposing removing upgrade capability from DrakX altogether, 
+and we should absolutely *NOT* do that, that would be terrible!  Doing upgrades with urpmi is fine in some cases, but in others it's 
+better/easier/more reliable to just take the machine down and do it with the installer.  Using a HDD or net install from a local repository, 
+all packages are available and there are no problems, this has always worked well for several years.  Doing it with urpmi hasn't always worked 
+as well (usually has been fine for servers with minimal packages installed, but desktops with more stuff has been problematic at times).
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+    <B>David Walser</B> 
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+&gt;<i> For backports, there is the understanding that in addition to being 
+</I>&gt;<i> tested by QA (after initial packager and end-user tests), that the 
+</I>&gt;<i> packager would commit to providing security updates as necessary.  This 
+</I>&gt;<i> is much more than &quot;no support at all&quot;, as happened with mdv backports.
+</I>
+I hope this point is clear to everyone before we open backports.  As most of you probably know, I keep a watchful eye on security updates and 
+file bugs and build some updates for things that need security fixes in Cauldron and the released, supported versions of Mageia.  This takes a 
+lot of time, and I have no intention of adding backports to the list of versions I track.  If you backport a package, *you* are responsible for 
+monitoring that package for any needed security updates and providing them as necessary.
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 23 juni 2012 13:50:14 schreef Anne Nicolas:
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 23 juni 2012 10:44:35 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 23/06/12 10:10 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/updates/2/mariadb/current/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/updates/2/mariadb/current/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; commited 10 hours ago
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version:        5.5.25
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so spec file have been commited.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah I've often found that with SVN commits where I realise a mistake
+</I>&gt;<i> has been made, my CTRL-C never seems to be quick enough!
+</I>
+it's even worse, it seems it went through for the server, but broke off for my 
+local repository, so after doing &quot;mgarepo up&quot; i'm getting conflicts :-(
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 23 juni 2012 12:39:14 schreef D.Morgan:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> btw to go back to the subject,  i am not &quot;against&quot; as there is no
+</I>&gt;<i> change in the major, so no rebuild needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have a list of the changes of this release ?
+</I>
+yes, but i don't think you'll find this usefull, there's just too much to 
+browse through it:
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+<A HREF="http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-5524-changelog/">http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-5524-changelog/</A>
+<A HREF="http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-5525-changelog/">http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-5525-changelog/</A>
+
+the release notes don't help much either:
+- <A HREF="http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-5524-release-notes/">http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-5524-release-notes/</A> (it was mostly a 
+release with slightly better upstream build process; and due to mysql shipping 
+5.5.24 which included a extremely serious security bug which had been in(and 
+was proposed by) mariadb for several months before.)
+- <A HREF="http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-5525-release-notes/">http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-5525-release-notes/</A> (major upstream rpm 
+building fixes (cause they weren't good at all))
+
+both releases had fixes, which were mostly minor, and mostly upstream packaging 
+changes (which doesn't affect us; except for the missing file bugs they 
+introduced; but even those files are not important at all).
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+i can't give a better summary of the changes though...
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+&gt;<i> The issue with the upgrade function at
+</I>&gt;<i> the end of the installer is: &quot;it is not working properly even if a
+</I>&gt;<i> functioning network is available&quot;.
+</I>
+In all the years I have been running Mandrake, Mandriva and now Mageia, the upgrade packages function in the installer has not worked once for me, that I can remember. So I always skip it.
+I believe many others do the same.
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+<PRE>Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 23/06/2012 13:50, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like to propose this one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Feel free to comment
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Many people (many reporters in the forums) had problems with the 
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade function of Mgaapplet, because it doesn't respect the 
+</I>&gt;<i> additional nonfree (and tainted) repositories that were added by the 
+</I>&gt;<i> user. Will that be fixed first?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6061">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6061</A>
+</I>
+It would be nice to do backports as well (for core, nonfree, and tainted)
+
+&gt;<i> * Till when has the period to propose new Features been extended?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I told Macxi he was too late to propose 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2824&amp;p=21181#p21131">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2824&amp;p=21181#p21131</A>
+</I>
+The deadline got adjusted to the 18th (instead of the 15th) and Macxi 
+got it in on the 17th :
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Educational_Distro_LTS">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Educational_Distro_LTS</A>
+
+It would help us get a LTS release (for mga3), if we manage to negociate it.
+
+&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> marja
+</I>
+Regards :)
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+<PRE>Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/23 Colin Guthrie&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Nicolas at 23/06/12 12:50 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like to propose this one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, I wonder if it should be fully removed, or whether it should just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> require that an internet connection is present such that anything not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> present on the media can be downloaded as needed. This could be a good
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> compromise?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>
+The update option at the end of the installer has never worked for me, 
+using the dvd (or cd sets before) with mdk/mdv/mga.  I think largely 
+because my internet connection has never been reliable with the installer.
+(Recently installed networkmanager, which brings me a considerably more 
+reliable connexion, so that may have changed.)
+But after rebooting the connexion is usually fine for updating.
+
+If the user is installing using Internet repos (even if also an ISO), it 
+seems a good idea to use update repos as well as release repos, so as to 
+avoid downloading different versions of the same package, while 
+producing an updated system.  If that is not too complicated.
+
+However the update option at the end of the install process doesn't seem 
+to add anything over a subsequent update, except more complexity in the 
+installer.
+
+&gt;<i> pb also is to manage non-free repositories. Some users use DVD and add
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free drivers after.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+I always do an update install (rather than clean install), partly to 
+keep my non-free drivers/firmware.  It would be a considerable advantage 
+for users in my circumstances, particularly those with fewer computer 
+skills, to have a DVD with non-free firmware where no reliable free 
+equivalent exists.  We could call it &quot;Essentially free&quot;.
+(And if we want to continue to produce the handicapped version without 
+any nonfree firmware, call it &quot;totally free&quot;.)
+This would be particularly advantageous for those with limited Internet 
+connexions, like myself.
+(I have to go to the local library to download my ISOs.)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>
+My 2 cents :)
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 23 juni 2012 22:37:26 schreef andre999:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Educational_Distro_LTS">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Educational_Distro_LTS</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It would help us get a LTS release (for mga3), if we manage to negociate it.
+</I>
+i believe that we should look into our own interests and don't mind whatever 
+company's want to base on us for.
+
+nevertheless, i'd like a LTS mga3 release, even though 5 years seems a bit 
+much.
+
+all the other parts seem irrelevant, except collaboration into opensource is a 
+mageia value.
+
+in any case, i don't think we should be too much influenced by other 
+organisations.
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+<PRE>Le samedi 23 juin 2012 13:50:14, Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to propose this one:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Feel free to comment
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>
+This would make a lot of things easier and allow to concentrate on rock-solid 
+upgrade via mgaapplet (including tainted/non-free issues, and even backports 
+if possible), so I'm all for it. 
+
+And as a QA team member I'm twice for it :)
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+<PRE>On Sunday 24 June 2012 05:57, andre999 wrote:
+&gt;<i> It would be a considerable advantage 
+</I>&gt;<i> for users in my circumstances, particularly those with fewer computer 
+</I>&gt;<i> skills, to have a DVD with non-free firmware where no reliable free 
+</I>&gt;<i> equivalent exists. 
+</I>
+Even thou I'm not going to use the non-free iso-s myself, I see the benefit for those that doesn't care about their freedom, and just want something that works.
+(Yes, I am a Free Software activist. :-)= )
+
+During installation from CD/DVD, one of the quiestions is if one have additional installation medias (cd, dvd, internett mirror) available. We could have an ISO with only the non-free drivers as an additional media one could (download and) select in the installer. This could be a dual arch iso, and it would use less space on the mirrors.
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+&gt;<i> We could call it &quot;Essentially free&quot;. 
+</I>
+No. That would really Not make things better for the average user. It would just confuse things to have both the non-free AND the Free version labeled &quot;free&quot;, as &quot;free&quot; in FOSS projects are often the equivalent of saying it doesn't contain non-free software.
+
+Besides, many users never use the download pages on the distro's homepages to download the latest ISO, they go directly to their favourite mirror and get it from there. And if the free and non-free version are both labeled free, it is no longer obvious which iso he should get when he wan't the Free version. And it would make some users think that none of them have non-free drivers.
+
+&gt;<i> And if we want to continue to produce the handicapped version without 
+</I>&gt;<i> any nonfree firmware, call it &quot;totally free&quot;.
+</I>
+Some of us think it's the other way around: the non-free version is the one which is handicaped. ;-)=
+
+Also, if we stop shipping the Free version and only make a non-free version available, some users would no longer install Mageia. I am one of them. I would also no longer recommend it to my friends, because no longer have a Free version available.
+
+This is exactly the kind of thing that made me switch from Mandriva to Mageia in the first place. In MDV 2011 one could no longer chose to install only free software. I was even told on the cooker list that if I wanted only free software, I had to manually uninstall the non-free packages after installation. How is the average user supposed to figuer out which of the installed packages are non-free packages... This is not easy even for the advanced users.
+
+There's a difference in giving us another option, and replacing the existing option.
+Some of us really do care about our Freedom. Please don't take it away.
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:14:55AM +0100, Colin wrote in
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">4FE4378F.3070701 at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 21/06/12 19:35 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To me, &quot;Mageia&quot; and &quot;Mageia&quot; looks exactly the same, so here it would
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> seem to be a search and replace error when one replaced the various
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva texts with Mageia equivalent.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Looks like a a search/replace problem as you suggest.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Should I file this as a bug?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sounds like a good plan :) (assuming no one fixes it first)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Old one... <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1122">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1122</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> (so I don't expect anyone to fix it before it being filed as a bug :P )
+</I>
+To me this looks correct.
+
+The first &quot;Mageia&quot; is referring to the name, the second to &quot;Mageia&quot; 
+logos etc.
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+&gt;<i> The first &quot;Mageia&quot; is referring to the name, the second to &quot;Mageia&quot; 
+</I>&gt;<i> logos etc.
+</I>
+How do you get that from the sentence?
+
+Remember, the original sentence from Mandriva is this:
+	&quot;Mandriva,&quot; &quot;Mandriva Linux&quot; and associated logos are trademarks of Mandriva S.A.
+
+None of the two first quotes are refering to any logos, only the names. That's why it is expliticly listed in the sentence. Remember that Mandriva's product is &quot;Mandriva Linux&quot;, not &quot;Mandriva&quot;. As far as I can tell, we don't have &quot;Mageia Linux&quot;, but have &quot;Mageia&quot;. There's a difference.
+
+The correct sentence for Mageia would be this:
+	&quot;Mageia&quot; and associated logos are trademarks of Mageia.
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:50:14 +0200
+Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to propose this one:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Feel free to comment
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I personally don't mind because I always do network upgrades using urpmi/etc.
+I don't know how many people will miss this functionality, but if it
+simplifies the maintainers' lives, and no longer works properly anyway (because
+people may install packages that are not on the DVD), then I'm all for it. 
+
+Regards,
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+</I>&gt;<i> Remember, the original sentence from Mandriva is this:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;&quot;Mandriva,&quot; &quot;Mandriva Linux&quot; and associated logos are trademarks of Mandriva S.A.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
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+</I>&gt;<i> The correct sentence for Mageia would be this:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;&quot;Mageia&quot; and associated logos are trademarks of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Indeed, we just used s/Mandriva Linux/Mageia and s/Mandriva/Mageia
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+    <B>David Walser</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Saturday 23 June 2012 15:21, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The issue with the upgrade function at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the end of the installer is: &quot;it is not working properly even if a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> functioning network is available&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In all the years I have been running Mandrake, Mandriva and now Mageia, the upgrade packages function in the installer has not worked once 
+</I>for me, that I can remember. So I always skip it.
+&gt;<i> I believe many others do the same.
+</I>
+Is that what the &quot;feature request&quot; is talking about?  If so, it's totally not clear.  It sounded to me like it was talking about the ability 
+for the installer to upgrade an existing system.  If it's just talking about that &quot;install updates&quot; thing at the end of the installation, 
+that's never worked for me either in the few times I've tried it.  It's also pretty unnecessary for me since I usually install from HDD or net, 
+which uses updates in the first place.
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+    <B>Robert Fox</B> 
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+longer available as packages in Mageia - These programs, although no
+longer supported, worked quite well - and I can't seem to find a good
+alternative yet (for recording Internet radio) under Linux -
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+Is it possible to have them available in Mageia (maybe as unsupported
+packages??)  Looks like someone decided they don't belong in Mageia
+anymore (<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2202">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2202</A>)
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+    <B>EatDirt</B> 
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+
+Ahem, either it was a trivial question, or a too much non-trivial 
+question????
+
+May someone managing the bs could simply test if, under iurt, after 
+having installed the package &quot;openmpi&quot;, those commands work:
+
+&quot;mpirun --version&quot;
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+&quot;mpirun -np 2 /usr/bin/pwd&quot;
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+the result should be something like:
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+------
+mpirun (Open MPI) 1.6
+
+Report bugs to <A HREF="http://www.open-mpi.org/community/help/">http://www.open-mpi.org/community/help/</A>
+------
+
+
+and 2 times the result of &quot;pwd&quot;.
+
+
+and not
+
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+------
+It looks like orte_init failed for some reason; your parallel process is
+likely to abort.  There are many reasons that a parallel process can
+fail during orte_init; some of which are due to configuration or
+environment problems.  This failure appears to be an internal failure;
+here's some additional information (which may only be relevant to an
+Open MPI developer):
+
+   orte_plm_base_select failed
+   --&gt; Returned value Not found (-13) instead of ORTE_SUCCESS
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------
+[jonund.mageia.org:15513] [[INVALID],INVALID] ORTE_ERROR_LOG: Not found 
+in file runtime/orte_init.c at line 128
+------
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+    <B>Pascal Terjan</B> 
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+<PRE>On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 4:16 PM, EatDirt &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dirteat at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Ping?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahem, either it was a trivial question, or a too much non-trivial
+</I>&gt;<i> question????
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> May someone managing the bs could simply test if, under iurt, after having
+</I>&gt;<i> installed the package &quot;openmpi&quot;, those commands work:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;mpirun --version&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;mpirun -np 2 /usr/bin/pwd&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the result should be something like:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------
+</I>&gt;<i> mpirun (Open MPI) 1.6
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Report bugs to <A HREF="http://www.open-mpi.org/community/help/">http://www.open-mpi.org/community/help/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and 2 times the result of &quot;pwd&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and not
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like orte_init failed for some reason; your parallel process is
+</I>&gt;<i> likely to abort. &#160;There are many reasons that a parallel process can
+</I>&gt;<i> fail during orte_init; some of which are due to configuration or
+</I>&gt;<i> environment problems. &#160;This failure appears to be an internal failure;
+</I>&gt;<i> here's some additional information (which may only be relevant to an
+</I>&gt;<i> Open MPI developer):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;orte_plm_base_select failed
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;--&gt; Returned value Not found (-13) instead of ORTE_SUCCESS
+</I>&gt;<i> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> [jonund.mageia.org:15513] [[INVALID],INVALID] ORTE_ERROR_LOG: Not found in
+</I>&gt;<i> file runtime/orte_init.c at line 128
+</I>&gt;<i> ------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It works fine if run manually in a iurt chroot, but was failing when
+trying in a chroot without a tty (which will be the case during a
+build), however the error was different:
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+--------------------------------------------------------------------------
+mpirun was unable to launch the specified application as it
+encountered an error:
+
+Error: pipe function call failed when setting up I/O forwarding subsystem
+Node: jonund.mageia.org
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+while attempting to start process rank 0.
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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+&gt;<i> I just discovered to my dismay that Streamtuner and Streamripper are no
+</I>&gt;<i> longer available as packages in Mageia - These programs, although no
+</I>&gt;<i> longer supported, worked quite well - and I can't seem to find a good
+</I>&gt;<i> alternative yet (for recording Internet radio) under Linux -
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it possible to have them available in Mageia (maybe as unsupported
+</I>&gt;<i> packages??)  Looks like someone decided they don't belong in Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> anymore (<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2202">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2202</A>)
+</I>
+looks valid, because there is a streamtuner2 app.
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+    <B>Anne nicolas</B> 
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+<PRE>2012/6/24 David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Saturday 23 June 2012 15:21, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The issue with the upgrade function at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the end of the installer is: &quot;it is not working properly even if a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> functioning network is available&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In all the years I have been running Mandrake, Mandriva and now Mageia, the upgrade packages function in the installer has not worked once
+</I>&gt;<i> for me, that I can remember. So I always skip it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I believe many others do the same.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is that what the &quot;feature request&quot; is talking about? &#160;If so, it's totally not clear. &#160;It sounded to me like it was talking about the ability
+</I>&gt;<i> for the installer to upgrade an existing system. &#160;If it's just talking about that &quot;install updates&quot; thing at the end of the installation,
+</I>&gt;<i> that's never worked for me either in the few times I've tried it. &#160;It's also pretty unnecessary for me since I usually install from HDD or net,
+</I>&gt;<i> which uses updates in the first place.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Indeed  I'm not speaking about updating packages at the end of the
+installation but using a DVD to upgrade an already installed system
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+-- 
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/24 David Walser&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Saturday 23 June 2012 15:21, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The issue with the upgrade function at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the end of the installer is: &quot;it is not working properly even if a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> functioning network is available&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In all the years I have been running Mandrake, Mandriva and now Mageia, the upgrade packages function in the installer has not worked once
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for me, that I can remember. So I always skip it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I believe many others do the same.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is that what the &quot;feature request&quot; is talking about?  If so, it's totally not clear.  It sounded to me like it was talking about the ability
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for the installer to upgrade an existing system.  If it's just talking about that &quot;install updates&quot; thing at the end of the installation,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that's never worked for me either in the few times I've tried it.  It's also pretty unnecessary for me since I usually install from HDD or net,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which uses updates in the first place.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed  I'm not speaking about updating packages at the end of the
+</I>&gt;<i> installation but using a DVD to upgrade an already installed system
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+But using a DVD to upgrade an already installed system is a good way to 
+get around the fact that many packages, including nonfree firmware, are 
+missing from the DVD.
+If one does a clean install, one has to try to find a lot of missing 
+packages, because they are no longer installed.  This impacts 
+considerably the usability of the system.  (Considering what the user 
+had installed.)
+All one has to do after the upgrade install, is reboot and do a normal 
+upgrade with rpmdrake (selecting &quot;all updates&quot; and &quot;all packages&quot;), and 
+almost everything works well.
+(For me upgrade to mga1 worked perfectly.  The last 2 upgrades with mdv 
+had some problems, due to other factors.  A clean install has always 
+caused me a lot of problems.)
+With a clean install, it can be problematic to find all the missing 
+packages, as well as missing firmware.
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+Note that I don't use mgaapplet after an upgrade install, since it 
+doesn't give me all the information I want, to help me decide if I 
+should drop some packages that were installed.
+It may be that using mgaapplet after an upgrade install is the weak link 
+in the chain.
+And certainly urpmi is not a convenient tool at this point.  (Although I 
+use it a lot at other times.)
+
+Note also that with upgrade install, even firmware that is missing from 
+the release (and not only the DVD) remains installed.  So there are 
+cases where an upgrade install necessarily produces a better functioning 
+system.
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+So in sum, in my view, removing upgrade install for DVDs would be an 
+important regression.
+But maybe we should suggest rebooting and using rpmdrake after such an 
+install.
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+Regards :)
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+-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:36 PM, andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note also that with upgrade install, even firmware that is missing from the
+</I>&gt;<i> release (and not only the DVD) remains installed. &#160;So there are cases where
+</I>&gt;<i> an upgrade install necessarily produces a better functioning system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr&#233;
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+Andre,
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+Can you confirm that the nonfree firmware wasn't removed during a DVD
+upgrade?  Upgrading
+using mgaapplet DID seem to remove the firmware from my install.  I
+had major issues with AMD
+graphics, discussed elsewhere.
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+<PRE>Jeff Robins a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:36 PM, andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note also that with upgrade install, even firmware that is missing from the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release (and not only the DVD) remains installed.  So there are cases where
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an upgrade install necessarily produces a better functioning system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> Andre,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you confirm that the nonfree firmware wasn't removed during a DVD
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade?  Upgrading
+</I>&gt;<i> using mgaapplet DID seem to remove the firmware from my install.  I
+</I>&gt;<i> had major issues with AMD
+</I>&gt;<i> graphics, discussed elsewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --Jeff
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+Yes, absolutely sure, using rpmdrake for updates after rebooting.  At 
+least with the upgrades with mdk/mdv, and from mdv2010.1/2 to mga1.  I 
+haven't yet upgraded to mga2, but I expect it to be the same.
+I've noticed some issues being discussed about AMD graphics, which I 
+suspect aren't related to upgrading, per se.
+I have ATI graphics myself and haven't had problems, but with the newer 
+ATI-becoming-AMD graphics, I expect that some things have changed.  
+Maybe a firmware replacement was installed, but didn't work ?
+In any case, I've never encountered a package that was removed in 
+upgrade (or update) without being replaced by another.  Sometimes that 
+causes problems, as when installing LibreOffice removes OpenOffice, 
+because the LibreOffice packages inappropriately specified obsoleting 
+OpenOffice, when there was no real conflict.
+
+Note that I used rpmdrake for updates, and not mgaapplet.  That way I 
+can easily confirm exactly what is proposed for update, and exactly what 
+is installed.  Often when there are a lot of updates proposed (as is 
+frequently the case with release upgrades), I do updates in several steps.
+Also, I avoid updating minor versions or revisions/subreleases of 
+documentation, especially near the end of a release cycle, since there 
+are probably no changes (other than the versioning).
+As well, sometimes I decide I don't need the package being proposed for 
+update, and uninstall it.
+
+Since mgaapplet has problems due to not functioning the same as other 
+update tools, that could be the cause of your difficulties.
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+Hope your problems were resolved.
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+Regards :)
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+    <B>Anne nicolas</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> But using a DVD to upgrade an already installed system is a good way to get
+</I>&gt;<i> around the fact that many packages, including nonfree firmware, are missing
+</I>&gt;<i> from the DVD.
+</I>&gt;<i> If one does a clean install, one has to try to find a lot of missing
+</I>&gt;<i> packages, because they are no longer installed. &#160;This impacts considerably
+</I>&gt;<i> the usability of the system. &#160;(Considering what the user had installed.)
+</I>&gt;<i> All one has to do after the upgrade install, is reboot and do a normal
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade with rpmdrake (selecting &quot;all updates&quot; and &quot;all packages&quot;), and
+</I>&gt;<i> almost everything works well.
+</I>&gt;<i> (For me upgrade to mga1 worked perfectly. &#160;The last 2 upgrades with mdv had
+</I>&gt;<i> some problems, due to other factors. &#160;A clean install has always caused me a
+</I>&gt;<i> lot of problems.)
+</I>&gt;<i> With a clean install, it can be problematic to find all the missing
+</I>&gt;<i> packages, as well as missing firmware.
+</I>
+I'm not saying we remove all upgrade ways as we still have mgaapplet.
+We experienced *a lot* of problem during QA tests using DVD to
+upgrade.  Really I don'&quot;t understand your point...
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that I don't use mgaapplet after an upgrade install, since it doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> give me all the information I want, to help me decide if I should drop some
+</I>&gt;<i> packages that were installed.
+</I>
+This is not the role of this tool.
+
+&gt;<i> It may be that using mgaapplet after an upgrade install is the weak link in
+</I>&gt;<i> the chain.
+</I>&gt;<i> And certainly urpmi is not a convenient tool at this point. &#160;(Although I use
+</I>&gt;<i> it a lot at other times.)
+</I>
+So because mgaapplet is buggy for upgrades, we should just let it down
+and use DVD ?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note also that with upgrade install, even firmware that is missing from the
+</I>&gt;<i> release (and not only the DVD) remains installed. &#160;So there are cases where
+</I>&gt;<i> an upgrade install necessarily produces a better functioning system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So in sum, in my view, removing upgrade install for DVDs would be an
+</I>&gt;<i> important regression.
+</I>&gt;<i> But maybe we should suggest rebooting and using rpmdrake after such an
+</I>&gt;<i> install.
+</I>
+This is non sense... Either the upgrade tool does its job properly or
+not... How can we say Mageia is easy when you propose such process?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 22/06/12 15:17 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 22 June 2012 14:58, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anything special in your gdm pam configs? Or even in the system-auth pam
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, I'm using pam_mount to automatically mount my encrypted home
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> directory. But given that it is handled in system-auth, and that other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> kind of login works, I'm sceptic.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well I'm somewhat sceptical too, but I'd still like to work out why it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fails for you.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would imagine it works for TV tho' I don't know for certain if the two
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> machines he referred to run a DE or not.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> One does, one doesn't.
+</I>&gt;<i> On the one that does, btw, one must provide the root password in order
+</I>&gt;<i> to mount a USB key if &quot;su - foobar&quot; is run in a terminal...
+</I>
+Does the one running a DM let you login OK via gdm?
+
+So USB keys mount OK after a fresh boot, but as soon as you do &quot;su -
+foobar&quot; mounting is broken? Or have I misunderstood the problem?
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 22/06/2012 14:58, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Any chance you can test with a dummy user or manually mount your home
+</I>&gt;<i> first and disable the pam_mount just to rule it out?
+</I>Done, with same result: pam_mount is apparently not the problem here.
+
+-- 
+The more pretentious a corporate name, the smaller the organization
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 25/06/12 10:25 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 22/06/2012 14:58, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any chance you can test with a dummy user or manually mount your home
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> first and disable the pam_mount just to rule it out?
+</I>&gt;<i> Done, with same result: pam_mount is apparently not the problem here.
+</I>
+Bummer :(
+
+I'd like to narrow this down. It's clearly not a universal problem as I
+have login via gdm here...
+
+What is odd tho', is that this is failing at the auth section of pam...
+systemd only really comes into play in the session section, so shouldn't
+really be getting in the way even if it was buggy.
+
+Wonder how best to debug? Are you certain it was the systemd upgrade
+that caused this or could there be something else lurking do you think?
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like to propose this one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
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+I disagree, it's very usefull.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, I wonder if it should be fully removed, or whether it should just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> require that an internet connection is present such that anything not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> present on the media can be downloaded as needed. This could be a good
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> compromise?
+</I>
+A warning would be better for the DVD case.
+Or we could try to detect unupgradable media and suggests to add network
+media.
+
+&gt;<i> pb also is to manage non-free repositories. Some users use DVD and add
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free drivers after.
+</I>
+I've a non merged yet branch where drakx offers to enable non-free/tainted if
+available and suggests to add network media if non-free firmware is needed
+but not available (eg: DVD case)
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anything special in your gdm pam configs? Or even in the system-auth pam
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, I'm using pam_mount to automatically mount my encrypted home
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> directory. But given that it is handled in system-auth, and that other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> kind of login works, I'm sceptic.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well I'm somewhat sceptical too, but I'd still like to work out why it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fails for you.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would imagine it works for TV tho' I don't know for certain if the two
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> machines he referred to run a DE or not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One does, one doesn't.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On the one that does, btw, one must provide the root password in order
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to mount a USB key if &quot;su - foobar&quot; is run in a terminal...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does the one running a DM let you login OK via gdm?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So USB keys mount OK after a fresh boot, but as soon as you do &quot;su -
+</I>&gt;<i> foobar&quot; mounting is broken? Or have I misunderstood the problem?
+</I>
+The computer is logged by my gf, but I &quot;su - my_account&quot; in a terminal
+with screen then running some root sessions too in order to work on my
+stuff.
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+In that case, plugging a USB partitionned disk now results in having to type in
+the root password due to other users being logged.
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+Of course, it's not a generic issue... It'll probably annoy only me.
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+&gt;<i> I've a non merged yet branch where drakx offers to enable non-free/tainted if
+</I>&gt;<i> available and suggests to add network media if non-free firmware is needed
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+On 24/06/12 23:36, andre999 wrote:
+&gt;<i> But using a DVD to upgrade an already installed system is a good
+</I>&gt;<i> way to get around the fact that many packages, including nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> firmware, are missing from the DVD. If one does a clean install,
+</I>&gt;<i> one has to try to find a lot of missing packages, because they are
+</I>&gt;<i> no longer installed.  This impacts considerably the usability of
+</I>&gt;<i> the system.  (Considering what the user had installed.)
+</I>
+The loss of the one that is vital, namely the internet connection
+firmware, would make installation impossible for someone without a
+spare system, wouldn't it?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 25/06/12 11:04 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 25 June 2012 11:10, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anything special in your gdm pam configs? Or even in the system-auth pam
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, I'm using pam_mount to automatically mount my encrypted home
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> directory. But given that it is handled in system-auth, and that other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> kind of login works, I'm sceptic.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well I'm somewhat sceptical too, but I'd still like to work out why it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fails for you.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would imagine it works for TV tho' I don't know for certain if the two
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> machines he referred to run a DE or not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> One does, one doesn't.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On the one that does, btw, one must provide the root password in order
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to mount a USB key if &quot;su - foobar&quot; is run in a terminal...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Does the one running a DM let you login OK via gdm?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So USB keys mount OK after a fresh boot, but as soon as you do &quot;su -
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> foobar&quot; mounting is broken? Or have I misunderstood the problem?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The computer is logged by my gf, but I &quot;su - my_account&quot; in a terminal
+</I>&gt;<i> with screen then running some root sessions too in order to work on my
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In that case, plugging a USB partitionned disk now results in having to type in
+</I>&gt;<i> the root password due to other users being logged.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, it's not a generic issue... It'll probably annoy only me.
+</I>
+Ahh right, I think I understand the setup. It likely comes down to
+whether or not both sessions are active or not or is perhaps related to
+the fact that both sessions are active at the same time and are on the
+same seat.
+
+Either way this is likely something that can be fixed eventually with
+appropriate udisk/policykit or whatever updates/integration (I'd suggest
+that your session in the background should be &quot;inactive&quot; (see loginctl
+session-status N)
+
+What is interesting is that if I try to emulate here, I don't get any
+other sessions listed in loginctl.... This is at least partly deliberate
+as I didn't want to change the pam.d/su or pam.d/su-l (or the sudo ones)
+files for Mga2 to include pam_systemd.so due to there being a few quirks
+relating to session management. That said, the pam.d/su file should
+include system-auth so I guess I would expect to see a session listed
+but IIRC the code will actually skip starting a new session if one
+already exists, so not 100% surprising.
+
+Really should update how the pam stuff fits together at some point.
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Philippe DIDIER</B> 
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+    <I>Mon Jun 25 13:07:09 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Simple a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6493">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6493</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> --- Comment #14 from Simple &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt; 2012-06-25 10:33:14 CEST ---
+</I>&gt;<i> Im causing too much noiseand i never wanted this.
+</I>&gt;<i> Ill try to expain some confusions, my name is Pedro Gomes, and i was more a
+</I>&gt;<i> Windows user but i always got influenced with my cousin so i also had linux
+</I>&gt;<i> installed in my machine. First i started with Mandriva like my cousin, but i
+</I>&gt;<i> also tried other distros like Fedora, Opensuse and Debian and the ones i like
+</I>&gt;<i> more were Opensuse and Mandriva, but with Mandriva started appearing several
+</I>&gt;<i> problems manly with the drak tools, so i decided to try Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> I already knew that Ze had left Mandriva but i didnt knew about his experience
+</I>&gt;<i> in Mageia, so i installed Mageia and i liked the project.
+</I>&gt;<i> I also saw the packages my cousin made and i also wanted to do like him, to
+</I>&gt;<i> learn all those skills.
+</I>&gt;<i> So i asked his help and the first thing he told me when he knew i was in Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> was to move distro, but i insisted in using Mageia, and still he helped me.
+</I>&gt;<i> The confusion starts from this point, since when we were in my home, sometimes
+</I>&gt;<i> there were some doubts and we used irc to clarify some questions, and several
+</I>&gt;<i> times i was already connected as simplew and we both were talking under the
+</I>&gt;<i> same nick, also other times he started in irc as zemo and when he left my home
+</I>&gt;<i> then i changed back to my nick and was from that point that people started to
+</I>&gt;<i> see simples with ID zemo since several times i forgot to identify, or would
+</I>&gt;<i> simply identify instead reconnect as simplew.
+</I>&gt;<i> When my cousin brought his computer we were talking with different nicknames,
+</I>&gt;<i> me with simplew and him with zemo,and we did talked with other persons, we
+</I>&gt;<i> never hide anything, and neither my cousin ever tried to be me.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So please dont say im my cousin, we are 2 different persons, and i insisted in
+</I>&gt;<i> continuing in Mageia even though my cousin was against. I liked this project
+</I>&gt;<i> and thats why i  started contributing and learning howto package, but i never
+</I>&gt;<i> thought i would create all this confusion, i understand that exist reasons you
+</I>&gt;<i> dont like my cousin but i can assure that he also doesnt want to be related
+</I>&gt;<i> with Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Google translate ?
+I will use it from now : it got very well improved ...
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to propose this one:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Feel free to comment
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+and i would add also the removing of the update option of the system 
+during the installation trough the media.
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 23 June 2012 15:20, Anne nicolas&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like to propose this one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I disagree, it's very usefull.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, I wonder if it should be fully removed, or whether it should just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> require that an internet connection is present such that anything not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> present on the media can be downloaded as needed. This could be a good
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> compromise?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A warning would be better for the DVD case.
+</I>
+I agree
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+&gt;<i> Or we could try to detect unupgradable media and suggests to add network
+</I>&gt;<i> media.
+</I>
+If the detection works good, that would be even better
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pb also is to manage non-free repositories. Some users use DVD and add
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-free drivers after.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've a non merged yet branch where drakx offers to enable non-free/tainted if
+</I>&gt;<i> available and suggests to add network media if non-free firmware is needed
+</I>&gt;<i> but not available (eg: DVD case)
+</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 23/06/12 22:13 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 23 juni 2012 10:44:35 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 23/06/12 10:10 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/updates/2/mariadb/current/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/updates/2/mariadb/current/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> commited 10 hours ago
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version:        5.5.25
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so spec file have been commited.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah I've often found that with SVN commits where I realise a mistake
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> has been made, my CTRL-C never seems to be quick enough!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> it's even worse, it seems it went through for the server, but broke off for my 
+</I>&gt;<i> local repository, so after doing &quot;mgarepo up&quot; i'm getting conflicts :-(
+</I>
+Yup that's pretty standard with subversion when you interrupt it sadly :(
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+Col
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+Colin Guthrie
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+    <I>Mon Jun 25 21:21:04 CEST 2012</I>
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+You can find on this page the policy for selecting features :
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#Features_acceptance">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#Features_acceptance</A>
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+We have reviewed this morning with ennael all feature proposal submitted
+on the wiki. You can find the results on this page :
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
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+This page is a preliminary list of accepted and rejected features. Some
+features are interesting (or sometimes mandatory), but are missing
+details in the description or planning, or don't have enough people that
+listed themself as interested to participate on the feature. So this
+needs to be corrected for the features to be moved to accepted list.
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+Planning is :
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+2012-06-25: 
+   publication of preliminary list of accepted features
+
+2012-06-25 to 2012-07-04:
+   discussions about features on mailing lists and during IRC meeting
+
+2012-07-05: 
+   publication and communication on the final list of Mageia 3
+   specifications
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+So you can now read review of your features, and send comments or
+questions on this mailing list.
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+<PRE>Op maandag 25 juni 2012 21:21:04 schreef nicolas vigier:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> So you can now read review of your features, and send comments or
+</I>&gt;<i> questions on this mailing list.
+</I>
+I've updated <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign</A> to become 
+clearer and to note that it can be partially done and finished in Mageia 4 if 
+unfinished.
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+I updated the description on 
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories</A> a bit, hoping that 
+this tool can be developped soon-ish.
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:InstallerLeftSideRedesign">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:InstallerLeftSideRedesign</A> can't really be 
+rewritten for right side, it's completely about the left side. ok the 
+installer will likely have to undergo major changes for this, but this feature 
+isn't high priority. Atm, the left side is inaccurate, and allowing this to be 
+more dynamic (and thus also the installer) would be nice from a users' pov. 
+even if it's alot of work.
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+&gt;<i> We have reviewed this morning with ennael all feature proposal submitted
+</I>&gt;<i> on the wiki. You can find the results on this page :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
+</I>
+The features policy didn't list &quot;Resources&quot; as one of the required sections:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#Criteria_used_to_choose_features">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#Criteria_used_to_choose_features</A>
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+Which is probably why it was left out on a lot of proposals including mine.
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+&quot;Resources&quot; is also a strange, unintuitive name for that section.
+
+For mine, it was obvious without explicitly listing it, and the comment here:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
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+makes it pretty clear it was obvious.  Regardless, I have added it now:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP</A>
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:InstallerLeftSideRedesign">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:InstallerLeftSideRedesign</A> can't really be 
+</I>&gt;<i> rewritten for right side, it's completely about the left side. ok the 
+</I>&gt;<i> installer will likely have to undergo major changes for this, but this feature 
+</I>&gt;<i> isn't high priority. Atm, the left side is inaccurate, and allowing this to be 
+</I>&gt;<i> more dynamic (and thus also the installer) would be nice from a users' pov. 
+</I>&gt;<i> even if it's alot of work.
+</I>
+The left side used to be clickable years ago, but the developers decided to
+disable it because it complicated things in terms of code having to cope with
+later things possibly having been done already.  It was a nice feature, and a
+bummer to see it go, but I suppose the last thing we want to do is make the
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+<PRE>Related to this:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Grub2AsDefault">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Grub2AsDefault</A>
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+We have one other problem at our hands...
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+That is supporting (or not) the SecureBoot that upcoming Windows 8 will 
+require.
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+Ubuntu plans are here:
+<A HREF="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-June/035445.html">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-June/035445.html</A>
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+    <B>Philippe DIDIER</B> 
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+<PRE>Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Simple a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6493">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6493</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- Comment #14 from Simple &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt; 2012-06-25 10:33:14 CEST ---
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Im causing too much noiseand i never wanted this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ill try to expain some confusions, my name is Pedro Gomes, and i was more a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Windows user but i always got influenced with my cousin so i also had linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed in my machine. First i started with Mandriva like my cousin, but i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> also tried other distros like Fedora, Opensuse and Debian and the ones i like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more were Opensuse and Mandriva, but with Mandriva started appearing several
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problems manly with the drak tools, so i decided to try Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I already knew that Ze had left Mandriva but i didnt knew about his experience
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in Mageia, so i installed Mageia and i liked the project.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I also saw the packages my cousin made and i also wanted to do like him, to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> learn all those skills.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So i asked his help and the first thing he told me when he knew i was in Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> was to move distro, but i insisted in using Mageia, and still he helped me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The confusion starts from this point, since when we were in my home, sometimes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there were some doubts and we used irc to clarify some questions, and several
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> times i was already connected as simplew and we both were talking under the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> same nick, also other times he started in irc as zemo and when he left my home
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then i changed back to my nick and was from that point that people started to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> see simples with ID zemo since several times i forgot to identify, or would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simply identify instead reconnect as simplew.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When my cousin brought his computer we were talking with different nicknames,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> me with simplew and him with zemo,and we did talked with other persons, we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> never hide anything, and neither my cousin ever tried to be me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So please dont say im my cousin, we are 2 different persons, and i insisted in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> continuing in Mageia even though my cousin was against. I liked this project
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and thats why i  started contributing and learning howto package, but i never
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thought i would create all this confusion, i understand that exist reasons you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dont like my cousin but i can assure that he also doesnt want to be related
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Google translate ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I will use it from now : it got very well improved ...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Sorry : My mistake !!!
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+I didn't add a comment in bugzilla, but stupidly answered on the mailing
+list in gmame.linux.mageia.bugs ...
+
+This bad joke seems meaningless here, out of its context !
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+(the author of comment 14 was supposed not to write a fluent English and
+supposed to need &quot;Google translate&quot; from  English to Portuguese and
+backward...     reading his comment, I was doubtful )
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+if you want to have fun, let &quot;Google translate&quot; works on this (from
+latin) : Larvatus prodit ...
+You'll get something different from the real meaning which is :
+he comes, wearing a mask !
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+Or funnier, from French : &quot;le vaisseau sombre&quot; and then &quot;le navire
+sombre&quot; ...
+You will understand what I am thinking about (and perhaps sinking a boat )
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+<PRE>Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Simple a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6493">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6493</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- Comment #14 from Simple &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt; 2012-06-25 10:33:14 CEST ---
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Im causing too much noiseand i never wanted this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ill try to expain some confusions, my name is Pedro Gomes, and i was more a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Windows user but i always got influenced with my cousin so i also had linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed in my machine. First i started with Mandriva like my cousin, but i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> also tried other distros like Fedora, Opensuse and Debian and the ones i like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more were Opensuse and Mandriva, but with Mandriva started appearing several
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problems manly with the drak tools, so i decided to try Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I already knew that Ze had left Mandriva but i didnt knew about his experience
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in Mageia, so i installed Mageia and i liked the project.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I also saw the packages my cousin made and i also wanted to do like him, to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> learn all those skills.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So i asked his help and the first thing he told me when he knew i was in Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> was to move distro, but i insisted in using Mageia, and still he helped me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The confusion starts from this point, since when we were in my home, sometimes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there were some doubts and we used irc to clarify some questions, and several
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> times i was already connected as simplew and we both were talking under the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> same nick, also other times he started in irc as zemo and when he left my home
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then i changed back to my nick and was from that point that people started to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> see simples with ID zemo since several times i forgot to identify, or would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simply identify instead reconnect as simplew.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When my cousin brought his computer we were talking with different nicknames,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> me with simplew and him with zemo,and we did talked with other persons, we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> never hide anything, and neither my cousin ever tried to be me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So please dont say im my cousin, we are 2 different persons, and i insisted in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> continuing in Mageia even though my cousin was against. I liked this project
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and thats why i  started contributing and learning howto package, but i never
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thought i would create all this confusion, i understand that exist reasons you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dont like my cousin but i can assure that he also doesnt want to be related
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Google translate ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I will use it from now : it got very well improved ...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Sorry : My mistake !!!
+
+I didn't add a comment in bugzilla, but stupidly answered on the mailing
+list in gmame.linux.mageia.bugs ...
+
+This bad joke seems meaningless here, out of its context !
+
+(the author of comment 14 was supposed not to write a fluent English and
+supposed to need &quot;Google translate&quot; from  English to Portuguese and
+backward...     reading his comment, I was doubtful )
+
+
+if you want to have fun, let &quot;Google translate&quot; works on this (from
+latin) : Larvatus prodit ...
+You'll get something different from the real meaning which is :
+he comes, wearing a mask !
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+Or funnier, from French : &quot;le vaisseau sombre&quot; and then &quot;le navire
+sombre&quot; ...
+You will understand what I am thinking about (and perhaps sinking a boat )
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+&gt;<i> Related to this:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Grub2AsDefault">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Grub2AsDefault</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We have one other problem at our hands...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That is supporting (or not) the SecureBoot that upcoming Windows 8 will
+</I>&gt;<i> require.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora plans are here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html?style=light">http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html?style=light</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Ubuntu plans are here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-June/035445.html">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-June/035445.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>
+i would like a linux root CA being maintained by some independant organisation 
+like cacert or something... 
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+<PRE>Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> Related to this:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Grub2AsDefault">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Grub2AsDefault</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We have one other problem at our hands...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That is supporting (or not) the SecureBoot that upcoming Windows 8 will 
+</I>&gt;<i> require.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora plans are here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html?style=light">http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html?style=light</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Ubuntu plans are here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-June/035445.html">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-June/035445.html</A>
+</I>
+Interesting.  So the main reason people have complained about us not using GRUB2 is poor interaction 
+when trying to dual boot with other distros that do use it, namely Ubuntu.  If Ubuntu isn't going to 
+use it by default, is it really mandatory that we switch to it?
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Ahh right, I think I understand the setup. It likely comes down to
+</I>&gt;<i> whether or not both sessions are active or not or is perhaps related to
+</I>&gt;<i> the fact that both sessions are active at the same time and are on the
+</I>&gt;<i> same seat.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Either way this is likely something that can be fixed eventually with
+</I>&gt;<i> appropriate udisk/policykit or whatever updates/integration (I'd suggest
+</I>&gt;<i> that your session in the background should be &quot;inactive&quot; (see loginctl
+</I>&gt;<i> session-status N)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is interesting is that if I try to emulate here, I don't get any
+</I>&gt;<i> other sessions listed in loginctl....
+</I>
+I've one session only too...
+BTW in that case, it asks for root password for every password
+of the USB disk.
+It should ask only once and remember the permission for the
+whole disk IMHO.
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 25/06/2012 11:38, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Wonder how best to debug? Are you certain it was the systemd upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> that caused this or could there be something else lurking do you think?
+</I>It is clearly the systemd upgrade here, as upgrading only those packages 
+causes the problem, and downgrading them fix it.
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+pam modules usually support a debug flag. Testing is a bit invasive, 
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 26/06/12 09:36 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 25/06/2012 11:38, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wonder how best to debug? Are you certain it was the systemd upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that caused this or could there be something else lurking do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> It is clearly the systemd upgrade here, as upgrading only those packages
+</I>&gt;<i> causes the problem, and downgrading them fix it.
+</I>
+OK, that's good to know.
+
+&gt;<i> pam modules usually support a debug flag. Testing is a bit invasive,
+</I>&gt;<i> tough, I'll try again tonight if possible.
+</I>
+Great. I'm holding off on pushing this to a wider target in order to
+test this specifically. I wonder if it's related to libudev... did you
+definitely upgrade the dmsetup (especially lib[64]devmapper1.02) stuff
+from testing too and not just systemd? (I can't immediately see any need
+to rebuild more than that for pam_mount stuff. but I could be wrong).
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 26/06/12 10:20 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 26/06/12 09:36 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 25/06/2012 11:38, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Wonder how best to debug? Are you certain it was the systemd upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that caused this or could there be something else lurking do you think?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is clearly the systemd upgrade here, as upgrading only those packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> causes the problem, and downgrading them fix it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, that's good to know.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pam modules usually support a debug flag. Testing is a bit invasive,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tough, I'll try again tonight if possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Great. I'm holding off on pushing this to a wider target in order to
+</I>&gt;<i> test this specifically. I wonder if it's related to libudev... did you
+</I>&gt;<i> definitely upgrade the dmsetup (especially lib[64]devmapper1.02) stuff
+</I>&gt;<i> from testing too and not just systemd? (I can't immediately see any need
+</I>&gt;<i> to rebuild more than that for pam_mount stuff. but I could be wrong).
+</I>
+Actually this can't be a fundamental issue as it works on the tty. I'm
+guessing that somewhere along the way gdm is pulling in the old udev
+library (can't see it immediately but I wouldn't be surprised) and this
+then causes problems with pam_mount which uses libdevmapper which uses
+the new libudev.
+
+Therefore, I'd hope this is just a product of me not rebuilding
+everything under the sun for new udev...
+
+That's my current guess... :)
+
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 26/06/12 09:55 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> There are various difficulties:
+</I>&gt;<i> - evolution-data-server saw huge changes, requiring changes all over the
+</I>&gt;<i>   place
+</I>&gt;<i> - wants a new systemd, which is still being tested
+</I>&gt;<i> - various new dependencies
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I've pushed just the easy stuff, leaving the more difficult things for
+</I>&gt;<i> later.
+</I>
+I'm just waiting to get some kind of confirmation of some pam_mount
+related login issues with gdm. Not quite sussed out what the problem is
+just yet, but that's the only thing holding the push of the new systemd.
+
+More testing welcome!
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+Col
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+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?">alien at rmail.be
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> btw to go back to the subject,  i am not &quot;against&quot; as there is no
+</I>&gt;<i> change in the major, so no rebuild needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have a list of the changes of this release ?
+</I>
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+<PRE>i'm planning on having some structural changes to the mariadb package:
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+1. stripping out everything related only to initscripts
+2. cleaning up the local scripts and compare with upstream
+3. comparing my.cnf to upstream (to see what tuning is default)
+4. splitting up my.cnf into my.cnf.d/ and putting files in that dir in
+subpackages
+5. try to see if i can clean up better regarding -common, -core &amp;
+-common-core
+6. have subpackage try to use the INSTALL PLUGIN feature (dynamically
+loading plugins)
+7. there's alot of scripts being packaged, i'd like to put a selection of
+them in a subpackage so that it doesn't need to be installed.
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+any thoughts regarding this?
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 26/06/2012 11:27, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Therefore, I'd hope this is just a product of me not rebuilding
+</I>&gt;<i> everything under the sun for new udev...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's my current guess... :)
+</I>...and the winner is....(heavy rolling drum sound)... invalid keyboard 
+mappings. I'd say some udev rule is just missing, but what is puzzling 
+me is that only X display is affected, whereas TTY display is OK.
+
+How are keyboards mapping managed nowadays ?
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #449:
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+greenpeace free'd the mallocs
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+    <B>Christian Lohmaier</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20What%20is%20Mageia%27s%20policy%20reagarding%20filesize%20display%3F%0A%20%28units/base%202%20vs%20base%2010%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCAOPHaVQ7dOoSR1069sp%2BPUSo02W9hoL81TvGrSqNb25nx-9UqA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+
+having installed Mageia 2 recently and not only peaked into it using
+the live-disk I noticed something that really bothers me a lot:
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+* Nautilus uses base10 to display filesizes
+
+This to me is very annoying and contrary to all the previous years I
+have been using a computer. As I use both the commandline as well as
+the graphical filemanager, this discrepancy is driving me nuts.
+
+Apparently this did originate from ubuntu with their unit policy
+<A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy</A> which is rather flawed in my
+opinion.
+
+Why I fully support the idea to be clear about what value is
+represented, the only sensible way to do it would have been to change
+the units accordingly as opposed to the values. (as many comments also
+read)
+The policy even contradicts its own use-case. Bob is not able to
+compare the filesizes between ubuntu (nautilus) and windows
+(explorer), unless they patched nautilus to use base2, and that is
+contradicting their implementation requirements).
+##################################
+
+So what is Mageia's POV on this topic?
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+* Would a patch against nautilus that restores base2 behavior be accepted?
+If not:
+* Do you think it is OK to have commandline tools show different
+values from GUI tools?
+* Do you think it is OK to display different numeric values than the
+rest of the computer world?
+
+Note that I don't question the use of correct units, i.e. 132 KiB for
+base2 and 135 kB for base10 - and I also don't question changing the
+default basis in any random software, but the use in the filemanager.
+
+Upstream very likely will not revert to base10 for nautilus
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665005">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665005</A> a after-the-change
+bug and <A HREF="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=554172">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=554172</A> a bug asking
+for clear values, i.e. matching units that resulted in keeping the
+unit and changing the base instead of the other way round, heated
+discussion, with not much consensus)
+
+ciao
+Christian
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+    <I>Tue Jun 26 15:35:55 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 02:57:16PM +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
+&gt;<i> Apparently this did originate from ubuntu with their unit policy
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy</A> which is rather flawed in my
+</I>&gt;<i> opinion.
+</I>
+FWIW, I'm not interested in making such changes. I prefer base 2, but
+don't see the point of making glib/gtk+ behave differently across
+distributions.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 26/06/12 12:41 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 26/06/2012 11:27, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Therefore, I'd hope this is just a product of me not rebuilding
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everything under the sun for new udev...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's my current guess... :)
+</I>&gt;<i> ...and the winner is....(heavy rolling drum sound)... invalid keyboard
+</I>&gt;<i> mappings. I'd say some udev rule is just missing, but what is puzzling
+</I>&gt;<i> me is that only X display is affected, whereas TTY display is OK.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> How are keyboards mapping managed nowadays ?
+</I>
+Ahh fudge. And that was mentioned earlier as well... I should have
+realised. d'oh!
+
+Yeah I think there was a change here, but upstream haven't confirmed
+what is really is to blame yet. I'll go prod them again.
+
+Basically the &quot;correct&quot; (apparently) way of doing it is to ensure a
+snippet is written to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that sets up the correct
+keyboard layout for the system - user settings can override this but the
+primary mapping will be used by e.g. gdm, kdm etc.
+
+This is done and managed by localed (which is stated on-demand when such
+settings are changed at a higher level - e.g. in gnome's system
+settings) so it's really just a matter of doing some dbus magic and it's
+nicely abstracted from X11 stuff so when Wayland comes along, the higher
+level stuff will still work the same which is nice.
+
+I need to find a way to write this config on package upgrade I guess.
+
+
+Regarding what actually changed, I think X used to inherit the tty's
+locale settings (which are obviously correct as you can login there) but
+now it does not. Something like that.
+
+I'll dig some more.
+
+Col
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+<PRE>On 26 June 2012 15:47, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Yeah I think there was a change here, but upstream haven't confirmed
+</I>&gt;<i> what is really is to blame yet. I'll go prod them again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Basically the &quot;correct&quot; (apparently) way of doing it is to ensure a
+</I>&gt;<i> snippet is written to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that sets up the correct
+</I>&gt;<i> keyboard layout for the system - user settings can override this but the
+</I>&gt;<i> primary mapping will be used by e.g. gdm, kdm etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is done and managed by localed (which is stated on-demand when such
+</I>&gt;<i> settings are changed at a higher level - e.g. in gnome's system
+</I>&gt;<i> settings) so it's really just a matter of doing some dbus magic and it's
+</I>&gt;<i> nicely abstracted from X11 stuff so when Wayland comes along, the higher
+</I>&gt;<i> level stuff will still work the same which is nice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I need to find a way to write this config on package upgrade I guess.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regarding what actually changed, I think X used to inherit the tty's
+</I>&gt;<i> locale settings (which are obviously correct as you can login there) but
+</I>&gt;<i> now it does not. Something like that.
+</I>
+I doubt this. That would have affected mga2 too.
+
+Maybe related: keyboard is OK for me under GNOME, but not under XFCE.
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+<PRE>On 26 June 2012 14:57, Christian Lohmaier
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lohmaier+mageia at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> * Would a patch against nautilus that restores base2 behavior be accepted?
+</I>
+No.
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+&gt;<i> If not:
+</I>&gt;<i> * Do you think it is OK to have commandline tools show different
+</I>&gt;<i> values from GUI tools?
+</I>&gt;<i> * Do you think it is OK to display different numeric values than the
+</I>&gt;<i> rest of the computer world?
+</I>
+Are you aware KiB != Kb ?
+<A HREF="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobit">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobit</A>
+<A HREF="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiB">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiB</A>
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Regarding what actually changed, I think X used to inherit the tty's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; locale settings (which are obviously correct as you can login there) but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; now it does not. Something like that.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I doubt this. That would have affected mga2 too.
+</I>
+I enabled all the systemd configure options for the various GNOME
+packages. So this is a fallout from that.
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 03:49:25PM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regarding what actually changed, I think X used to inherit the tty's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> locale settings (which are obviously correct as you can login there) but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> now it does not. Something like that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I doubt this. That would have affected mga2 too.
+</I>
+Not if the change in behaviour was between systemd 44 and systemd 185
+(or udev 181 and usev 185). Then this is mostly expected.
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+&gt;<i> I enabled all the systemd configure options for the various GNOME
+</I>&gt;<i> packages. So this is a fallout from that.
+</I>
+I don't think so as if this were the case, downgrading the systemd
+package would not cause things to work again...
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+Also, I think this also affected Dexter Morgan in KDM+KDE so I don't
+think it is gnome related.
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+I think it's somehow a product of the environment that starts X, either
+by not setting the tty settings for the pseudo console or something like
+that...
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+I'll need to poke upstream some more, but the long term solution is
+likely the same as we're gearing up for a tty-less word with Wayland
+anyway so anything that relies solely on the tty to inherit things from
+is probably flawed by design (and I'm talking purely design here - I do
+not even want to enter into any kind of discussion about not enabling
+ttys as it's not something I care to think about for a long time -
+doesn't hurt to keep it in mind tho')
+
+Col
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+    <B>Christian Lohmaier</B> 
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+On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 02:57:16PM +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Apparently this did originate from ubuntu with their unit policy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy</A> which is rather flawed in my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> opinion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> FWIW, I'm not interested in making such changes. I prefer base 2, but
+</I>&gt;<i> don't see the point of making glib/gtk+ behave differently across
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions.
+</I>
+It is not making glib/gtk behave differently, it is just requesting
+differently processed string from glib.
+
+glib already provides functions / corresponding flags to switch
+between the two bases.
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+A patch would be passing G_FORMAT_SIZE_IEC_UNITS to the function call.
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+ciao
+Christian
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+    <B>Christian Lohmaier</B> 
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Thierry Vignaud
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 26 June 2012 14:57, Christian Lohmaier
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lohmaier+mageia at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Would a patch against nautilus that restores base2 behavior be accepted?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No.
+</I>
+Why not?
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> If not:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Do you think it is OK to have commandline tools show different
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> values from GUI tools?
+</I>
+You did not provide and answer to this one.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> * Do you think it is OK to display different numeric values than the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rest of the computer world?
+</I>
+You did not provide an answer to this one.
+
+&gt;<i> Are you aware KiB != Kb ?
+</I>
+Obviously I am. That's why I started the thread in the first place.
+And that is why I wrote *numeric* values explicitly. It shows
+&quot;different numbers&quot;, the user doesn't pay so much attention to the
+units themselves, only &quot;k vs M vs G&quot; - what matters is that a file
+that has 240MB on Windows now is 252MB in nautilus.
+Or that file he copied over the network from linux to his windows
+computer now suddenly is 14 MB smaller.
+
+Irrespective of that windows uses wrong units, that is not what the
+user cares about, the user knows that there is a difference between MB
+and KB. Whether the user is aware that windows uses 1024*1024 for &quot;M&quot;
+as supposed to SI-style multiplier is irrelevant.
+You don't expect users to compare the sizes in raw bytes, do you?
+
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobit">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobit</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiB">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiB</A>
+</I>
+Thanks for clearly demonstrating that you did not bother trying to
+understand the topic at hand.
+
+ciao
+Christian
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Thanks for clearly demonstrating that you did not bother trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> understand the topic at hand.
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 26 June 2012 15:51, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Note that I don't question the use of correct units, i.e. 132 KiB for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; base2 and 135 kB for base10
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Are you aware KiB != Kb ?
+</I>
+Clearly he understand the diference, as he gave a specific example to show the difference.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Christian Lohmaier at 26/06/12 15:26 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Obviously I am. That's why I started the thread in the first place.
+</I>&gt;<i> And that is why I wrote *numeric* values explicitly. It shows
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;different numbers&quot;, the user doesn't pay so much attention to the
+</I>&gt;<i> units themselves, only &quot;k vs M vs G&quot; - what matters is that a file
+</I>&gt;<i> that has 240MB on Windows now is 252MB in nautilus.
+</I>&gt;<i> Or that file he copied over the network from linux to his windows
+</I>&gt;<i> computer now suddenly is 14 MB smaller.
+</I>
+What about if they transfer a file from OSX to Linux? OSX uses base 10:
+
+e.g. my file created by:
+
+dd if=/dev/zero of=foo.txt bs=1m count=10
+
+ls -l shows the size as:  10485760
+ls -lh shows the size as: 10M
+
+i.e. base 2.
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+And in the Finder GUI it's shown as 10.5MB (i.e. base 10)
+
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+So what $OTHER_OS does is liable to be an avenue that will lead to
+contradictions anyway.
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+Personally I don't give a flying fig what's shown :)
+
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+Col
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+-- 
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+    <B>Christian Lohmaier</B> 
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+On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Christian Lohmaier at 26/06/12 15:26 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about if they transfer a file from OSX to Linux? OSX uses base 10:
+</I>
+can not confirm, see
+<A HREF="http://frupic.frubar.net/25973">http://frupic.frubar.net/25973</A>
+
+But regardless...
+
+&gt;<i> Personally I don't give a flying fig what's shown :)
+</I>
+I take that as you're not opposing a patch to change nautilus'
+file-size-display.
+
+ciao
+Christian
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20What%20is%20Mageia%27s%20policy%20reagarding%20filesize%0A%20display%3F%20%28units/base%202%20vs%20base%2010%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4FE9DF90.3010102%40googlemail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>At the moment we have
+the bash showing values in base 2 with the unit K,
+dolphin showing them in base 2 with the unit KiB,
+pcmanfm showing them in base 2 with the unit KB.
+
+So patching nautilus to use base 2 woul make for a more common behaviour 
+of the distro, but it will create work for our GNOME maintainer since he 
+would have to maintain that patch for every future version.
+And it could break any other thing in GNOME since GNOME apps are quite 
+interweaved with one another and you never know, what app uses nautilus 
+in parts for what.
+
+So personally I would prefer not to patch such a minor flaw, especially 
+not knowing when other upstream projects will choose to go to base 10 as 
+well.
+
+Oliver
+
+
+-- 
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
+
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Christian Lohmaier at 26/06/12 16:51 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi Colin, *,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Christian Lohmaier at 26/06/12 15:26 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What about if they transfer a file from OSX to Linux? OSX uses base 10:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> can not confirm, see
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://frupic.frubar.net/25973">http://frupic.frubar.net/25973</A>
+</I>
+Well I literally just confirmed it on the OSX box next to me, so take it
+as you like. It said, literally: &quot;10.5MB on disk&quot;. This was both in
+finder itself in the little file preview and in the &quot;Get Info&quot; dialog
+which also showed the size in bytes in brackets.
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+I'm not an expert but the above screen shot looks like a very old
+version of OSX.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Personally I don't give a flying fig what's shown :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I take that as you're not opposing a patch to change nautilus'
+</I>&gt;<i> file-size-display.
+</I>
+I'm saying I don't really care what's shown. If given the choice between
+maintaining patched downstream behaviour vs. unpatched upstream
+behaviour I'd take the latter seeing as it is cleaner and I don't
+personally care which is shown.
+
+So based purely on the principle of keeping downstream patching as light
+as possible, I'd be against such a change. I should point out that this
+is an opinion that is not based on the functionality of the change
+itself, just general principles, so I was deliberately trying not to
+voice a particular opinion on the functionality itself :)
+
+I don't think I ever use any summarised value for knowing anything more
+than the rough size of a file - if I need to know it's size properly, I
+use bytes - anything that displays things with an M or G suffix is an
+approximation to me and I don't really care if that approximation is
+somewhat ambiguous due to the base used).
+
+Col
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Armando B.</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi all :)
+
+from 2/3 weeks should arrive my raspberry pi, so i'm available to
+perform tests with Mageia Arm porting.
+I saw that there is a specific mirror here <A HREF="http://packages.rtp-net.org/mageia/">http://packages.rtp-net.org/mageia/</A>
+
+is there a most recent repository ?
+i saw that this repo missing of some packages.
+
+Could we try to build Mageia 2 ARM for Raspberry ?
+
+-- 
+&#160; themonospot project - <A HREF="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot</A>
+&#160; monosim project - <A HREF="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim</A>
+&#160; comex project - <A HREF="http://comex-project.googlecode.com">http://comex-project.googlecode.com</A>
+&#160; webpman project - <A HREF="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Armando B. at 26/06/12 17:45 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi all :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> from 2/3 weeks should arrive my raspberry pi, so i'm available to
+</I>&gt;<i> perform tests with Mageia Arm porting.
+</I>&gt;<i> I saw that there is a specific mirror here <A HREF="http://packages.rtp-net.org/mageia/">http://packages.rtp-net.org/mageia/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> is there a most recent repository ?
+</I>&gt;<i> i saw that this repo missing of some packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Could we try to build Mageia 2 ARM for Raspberry ?
+</I>
+Mine arrived yesterday so I'd be interested in seeing progress here too.
+Not sure when I'll find time to actually play with the thing tho'!!!
+
+COl
+
+
+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Oliver Burger
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> At the moment we have
+</I>&gt;<i> the bash showing values in base 2 with the unit K,
+</I>&gt;<i> dolphin showing them in base 2 with the unit KiB,
+</I>&gt;<i> pcmanfm showing them in base 2 with the unit KB.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So patching nautilus to use base 2 woul make for a more common behaviour of
+</I>&gt;<i> the distro, but it will create work for our GNOME maintainer since he would
+</I>&gt;<i> have to maintain that patch for every future version.
+</I>
+To get a better idea of the &quot;effort&quot; it would take: This is the patch
+
+diff -ru nautilus-3.4.1_orig/libnautilus-private/nautilus-file.c
+nautilus-3.4.1/libnautilus-private/nautilus-file.c
+--- nautilus-3.4.1_orig/libnautilus-private/nautilus-file.c	2012-04-13
+19:01:03.000000000 +0200
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+16:13:48.649538611 +0200
+@@ -5847,7 +5847,7 @@
+ 	if (file-&gt;details-&gt;size == -1) {
+ 		return NULL;
+ 	}
+-	return g_format_size (file-&gt;details-&gt;size);
++	return g_format_size_full (file-&gt;details-&gt;size, G_FORMAT_SIZE_IEC_UNITS);
+ }
+
+ /**
+@@ -5885,7 +5885,7 @@
+ 		return NULL;
+ 	}
+
+-	return g_format_size_full (file-&gt;details-&gt;size, G_FORMAT_SIZE_LONG_FORMAT);
++	return g_format_size_full (file-&gt;details-&gt;size,
+G_FORMAT_SIZE_IEC_UNITS &amp; G_FORMAT_SIZE_LONG_FORMAT);
+ }
+
+
+@@ -5945,7 +5945,7 @@
+ 	 * directly if desired.
+ 	 */
+ 	if (report_size) {
+-		return g_format_size (total_size);
++		return g_format_size_full (total_size, G_FORMAT_SIZE_IEC_UNITS);
+ 	}
+
+ 	return format_item_count_for_display (report_directory_count
+@@ -6675,7 +6675,7 @@
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+ 	res = NULL;
+ 	if (file-&gt;details-&gt;free_space != (guint64)-1) {
+-		res = g_format_size (file-&gt;details-&gt;free_space);
++		res = g_format_size_full (file-&gt;details-&gt;free_space,
+G_FORMAT_SIZE_IEC_UNITS);
+ 	}
+
+ 	return res;
+diff -ru nautilus-3.4.1_orig/src/nautilus-view.c
+nautilus-3.4.1/src/nautilus-view.c
+--- nautilus-3.4.1_orig/src/nautilus-view.c	2012-04-13 19:01:03.000000000 +0200
++++ nautilus-3.4.1/src/nautilus-view.c	2012-06-26 16:13:48.652538574 +0200
+@@ -2826,7 +2826,7 @@
+ 		if (non_folder_size_known) {
+ 			char *size_string;
+
+-			size_string = g_format_size (non_folder_size);
++			size_string = g_format_size_full (non_folder_size, G_FORMAT_SIZE_IEC_UNITS);
+ 			/* This is marked for translation in case a localiser
+ 			 * needs to use something other than parentheses. The
+ 			 * first message gives the number of items selected;
+
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+&gt;<i> And it could break any other thing in GNOME since GNOME apps are quite
+</I>&gt;<i> interweaved with one another and you never know, what app uses nautilus in
+</I>&gt;<i> parts for what.
+</I>
+See above. It is not a massive change in the internals of nautilus.
+This is nautilus-only.
+
+And unless glib breaks its API the patch will continue to work. Both
+g_format_size and g_format_size_full return a human-readable string,
+just the default units differ. If you'd use
+
+g_format_size(size); is the very same as
+g_format_size_full(size, G_FORMAT_SIZE_DEFAULT)
+
+So this is purely switching the base, nothing else. No custom &quot;hacks&quot;,
+no black magic.
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+ciao
+Christian
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+<PRE>So,
+we have been discussing this many times, and not gotten any
+satisfactory decision to go ahead yet...
+
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+
+First off, we decided long ago that backports will be
+better supported than during mdv times, meaning security
+and bugfixes and has to pass QA.
+
+
+
+Now for references:
+* we have the backports policy:
+   <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Backports_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Backports_policy</A>
+
+* Last discussions started by Stormi:
+   * [Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+     <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016265.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016265.html</A>
+
+   * [Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+     <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016263.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016263.html</A>
+
+* It also came up in the discussion about fixing bug 2317:
+   * [Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like 
+--search-media
+      <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016692.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016692.html</A>
+
+
+People seem to agree on most things, but there is a few questions
+that need to be decided how to handle.
+
+
+
+
+Lets start with the summary and suggestion of how to get it started:
+(addendum / refinements / important points of current backports policy)
+
+* backports is supported as long as the rest of the release
+* packages must always be in cauldron first
+* if you want to backport a package someone else is maintainer
+   for, you need to discuss with maintainer first. if he dont
+   want the package to be backported _and_ have valid reasons,
+   respect that. (if you disagree, you can still ask council)
+* if you backport anything, (regardless if you are the real
+   maintainer or not) you accept the responsibility of
+   handling the bugreports against the backport and make sure
+   it gets patched (or upgraded) to get security fixes.
+* cherrypicking backports must work, so requires need
+   to be checked and be strict to make sure they work
+* nothing in backports must require the use of &quot;--nodeps&quot;
+   or &quot;--force&quot; to get it to install
+* QA will do basic tests to make sure it works and obeys the rules
+* QA can deny package(s) to be backported if it breaks the policy
+* QA has /updates as priority, and /backports will be handled
+   if/when there is time, so if you want faster response, join QA
+   to help out with the workload.
+
+
+
+Now a point that got raised during discussion of bug 2317:
+* if a backport break because of something ending up in /updates
+   it's a bug to be reported against the backport (and not against
+   the released update) as packages ending up in /updates are only
+   validated against /release and /updates (and rightfully so as
+   thats how they are built too)
+
+
+
+And some important points to avoid making backports_testing a
+&quot;dumping ground&quot; for package(r)s trying to avoid the policy:
+* after submitting anything to backports_testing you have
+   48 hours to file/assign a &quot;Backport to validate&quot; at
+   bugs.mageia.org.
+* package needs to be validated within 1 month (or shorter/longer
+   time if QA wants that)
+* failure to match any of the two timelimits will get the
+   package removed from updates_testing again. (I understand this
+   will get some questions, but if we cant get people to help out
+   with QA we might as well never open backports)
+
+
+
+And then the questions we need to decide on:
+(substitute mga1/mga2 for any future release...)
+1. Do we support backporting package with higher version
+    than package in the following next mageia release has ?
+    (meaning if mga1 has v12, and mga2 has v14, is it ok
+     to backport v16 to mga1?)
+    * PRO: more uptodate package in backports
+    * CON: can cause trouble during distro upgrade
+    * imho both technically ok as long as we make sure
+      its documented so people know what to expect.
+
+2. If one want to backport a package to mga1, does it mean
+    it must be backported to mga2 in order to preserve
+    upgrade path (unless already in mga2, depending on
+    question 1)?
+
+
+
+And since we can continue this what/if discussion forever,
+and thereby delay backports even more here is my take on it:
+
+my suggestions to decide on question 1 and 2:
+1. backporting bigger version to mga1 than mga2 has is
+    allowed as it will otherwise restrict backporting
+    too much. (and since its leaf packages, it should
+    not break (too much)). Lets just make it clear to
+    everyone using backports.
+
+2. we cant really require that as the one backporting
+    the package to mga1 has to backport it to mga2 too
+    as he/she might not be using mga2 at all. if someone
+    wants/needs the backport for mga2, they need to
+    request that. (in reality, going by how backports
+    got handled in mdv most backports will end up in
+    all supported releases anyway)
+
+
+
+If we can agree on this as a start, we can open backports
+soon so we get actual facts of how backports policy and
+process works.
+
+Then we rewiew backports policy and process in ~6 months,
+and adjust it if needed.
+
+
+
+Comments? Questions ?
+
+--
+
+Thomas
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+    <B>Anne nicolas</B> 
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+Our meeting will happen tomorrow evening at 19hUTC. Here are the
+proposed topics:
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+- pending security updates
+- Mageia 3 features
+- Backports policy
+
+For the 2 last topics please read following links *before* meeting:
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+Anne
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+<PRE>Thomas Backlund skrev 26.6.2012 22:25:
+&gt;<i> So,
+</I>&gt;<i> we have been discussing this many times, and not gotten any
+</I>&gt;<i> satisfactory decision to go ahead yet...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First off, we decided long ago that backports will be
+</I>&gt;<i> better supported than during mdv times, meaning security
+</I>&gt;<i> and bugfixes and has to pass QA.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now for references:
+</I>&gt;<i> * we have the backports policy:
+</I>&gt;<i>     <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Backports_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Backports_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Last discussions started by Stormi:
+</I>&gt;<i>     * [Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</I>&gt;<i>       <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016265.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016265.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     * [Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</I>&gt;<i>       <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016263.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016263.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * It also came up in the discussion about fixing bug 2317:
+</I>&gt;<i>     * [Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like
+</I>&gt;<i> --search-media
+</I>&gt;<i>        <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016692.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016692.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> People seem to agree on most things, but there is a few questions
+</I>&gt;<i> that need to be decided how to handle.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Lets start with the summary and suggestion of how to get it started:
+</I>&gt;<i> (addendum / refinements / important points of current backports policy)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * backports is supported as long as the rest of the release
+</I>&gt;<i> * packages must always be in cauldron first
+</I>&gt;<i> * if you want to backport a package someone else is maintainer
+</I>&gt;<i>     for, you need to discuss with maintainer first. if he dont
+</I>&gt;<i>     want the package to be backported _and_ have valid reasons,
+</I>&gt;<i>     respect that. (if you disagree, you can still ask council)
+</I>&gt;<i> * if you backport anything, (regardless if you are the real
+</I>&gt;<i>     maintainer or not) you accept the responsibility of
+</I>&gt;<i>     handling the bugreports against the backport and make sure
+</I>&gt;<i>     it gets patched (or upgraded) to get security fixes.
+</I>&gt;<i> * cherrypicking backports must work, so requires need
+</I>&gt;<i>     to be checked and be strict to make sure they work
+</I>&gt;<i> * nothing in backports must require the use of &quot;--nodeps&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>     or &quot;--force&quot; to get it to install
+</I>&gt;<i> * QA will do basic tests to make sure it works and obeys the rules
+</I>&gt;<i> * QA can deny package(s) to be backported if it breaks the policy
+</I>&gt;<i> * QA has /updates as priority, and /backports will be handled
+</I>&gt;<i>     if/when there is time, so if you want faster response, join QA
+</I>&gt;<i>     to help out with the workload.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now a point that got raised during discussion of bug 2317:
+</I>&gt;<i> * if a backport break because of something ending up in /updates
+</I>&gt;<i>     it's a bug to be reported against the backport (and not against
+</I>&gt;<i>     the released update) as packages ending up in /updates are only
+</I>&gt;<i>     validated against /release and /updates (and rightfully so as
+</I>&gt;<i>     thats how they are built too)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And some important points to avoid making backports_testing a
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;dumping ground&quot; for package(r)s trying to avoid the policy:
+</I>&gt;<i> * after submitting anything to backports_testing you have
+</I>&gt;<i>     48 hours to file/assign a &quot;Backport to validate&quot; at
+</I>&gt;<i>     bugs.mageia.org.
+</I>&gt;<i> * package needs to be validated within 1 month (or shorter/longer
+</I>&gt;<i>     time if QA wants that)
+</I>&gt;<i> * failure to match any of the two timelimits will get the
+</I>&gt;<i>     package removed from updates_testing again. (I understand this
+</I>
+This should have stated &quot;backports_testing&quot;
+
+&gt;<i>     will get some questions, but if we cant get people to help out
+</I>&gt;<i>     with QA we might as well never open backports)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And then the questions we need to decide on:
+</I>&gt;<i> (substitute mga1/mga2 for any future release...)
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Do we support backporting package with higher version
+</I>&gt;<i>      than package in the following next mageia release has ?
+</I>&gt;<i>      (meaning if mga1 has v12, and mga2 has v14, is it ok
+</I>&gt;<i>       to backport v16 to mga1?)
+</I>&gt;<i>      * PRO: more uptodate package in backports
+</I>&gt;<i>      * CON: can cause trouble during distro upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i>      * imho both technically ok as long as we make sure
+</I>&gt;<i>        its documented so people know what to expect.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. If one want to backport a package to mga1, does it mean
+</I>&gt;<i>      it must be backported to mga2 in order to preserve
+</I>&gt;<i>      upgrade path (unless already in mga2, depending on
+</I>&gt;<i>      question 1)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And since we can continue this what/if discussion forever,
+</I>&gt;<i> and thereby delay backports even more here is my take on it:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my suggestions to decide on question 1 and 2:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. backporting bigger version to mga1 than mga2 has is
+</I>&gt;<i>      allowed as it will otherwise restrict backporting
+</I>&gt;<i>      too much. (and since its leaf packages, it should
+</I>&gt;<i>      not break (too much)). Lets just make it clear to
+</I>&gt;<i>      everyone using backports.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. we cant really require that as the one backporting
+</I>&gt;<i>      the package to mga1 has to backport it to mga2 too
+</I>&gt;<i>      as he/she might not be using mga2 at all. if someone
+</I>&gt;<i>      wants/needs the backport for mga2, they need to
+</I>&gt;<i>      request that. (in reality, going by how backports
+</I>&gt;<i>      got handled in mdv most backports will end up in
+</I>&gt;<i>      all supported releases anyway)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we can agree on this as a start, we can open backports
+</I>&gt;<i> soon so we get actual facts of how backports policy and
+</I>&gt;<i> process works.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we rewiew backports policy and process in ~6 months,
+</I>&gt;<i> and adjust it if needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comments? Questions ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i> .
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary">sander.lepik at eesti.ee
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+    <I>Tue Jun 26 22:15:16 CEST 2012</I>
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+&gt;<i> * backports is supported as long as the rest of the release
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comments? Questions ?
+</I>I think we should change the wording from &quot;supported&quot; to &quot;tested&quot;. Currently we can
+&quot;support&quot; backport with a newer version of the backport. But i don't think it's a wise move
+to mark backports repo as an updates repo. So i don't see how we can _support_ backports.
+And QA has no time to deal with updates for backports (i mean to search for security holes
+in backports). But this can be discussed tomorrow.
+
+--
+Sander
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 02:57:16PM +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Apparently this did originate from ubuntu with their unit policy
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy</A> which is rather flawed in my
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; opinion.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; FWIW, I'm not interested in making such changes. I prefer base 2, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; don't see the point of making glib/gtk+ behave differently across
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distributions.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It is not making glib/gtk behave differently, it is just requesting
+</I>&gt;<i> differently processed string from glib.
+</I>
+glib/gtk+/nautilus/transmission (it shows me base 10)
+
+Note that Windows is inconsistent. It sometimes shows base 10, sometimes
+base 2. Furthermore, the only reason they left it as base 2 was because
+other OSes did (was once in a MSDN blog). Suggesting Windows as
+comparison is pretty arbitrary.
+
+In any case, my main point is that I don't see why development should be
+done within a distribution. E.g. you're advocating changing this, but
+this is basically repeating a discussion that has been held upstream
+various times.
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
+
+PS: Above list of programs is incomplete; there are more which show base
+10.
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+<PRE>On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 08:59:43PM -0400, David Walser wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Fedora plans are here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html?style=light">http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html?style=light</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ubuntu plans are here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-June/035445.html">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-June/035445.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Interesting.  So the main reason people have complained about us not
+</I>&gt;<i> using GRUB2 is poor interaction when trying to dual boot with other
+</I>&gt;<i> distros that do use it, namely Ubuntu.  If Ubuntu isn't going to use
+</I>&gt;<i> it by default, is it really mandatory that we switch to it?
+</I>
+You cannot use the Ubuntu method, they plan their Ubuntu-only
+certificate.
+
+Fedora way is by using Grub 2 and having a small boot bit which is
+certified.
+
+So Grub2 seems the way to go.
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+GCC-4.7.1 was released upstream on 2012-06-14,
+and it has now passed my builds and testing on both i586 and x86_64.
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+So it's time to push it to Cauldron.
+
+I will rebuild core packages:
+gcc, binutils, glibc, kernel and kmod-* packages
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+so you might want to wait with updating your local caldron install
+until all packages are available.
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+I'll post a follow-up when it's done.
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+&gt;<i> - various new dependencies
+</I>
+If someone could package:
+  pwquality
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:55:00AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - various new dependencies
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If someone could package:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;pwquality
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for me.. appreciated :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Olav
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+    <B>Agron Selimaj</B> 
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+Did it work under QEMU with ARM emulation?
+
+
+----- Original message -----
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Armando B. at 26/06/12 17:45 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from 2/3 weeks should arrive my raspberry pi, so i'm available to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; perform tests with Mageia Arm porting.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I saw that there is a specific mirror here
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://packages.rtp-net.org/mageia/">http://packages.rtp-net.org/mageia/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is there a most recent repository ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i saw that this repo missing of some packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Could we try to build Mageia 2 ARM for Raspberry ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Mine arrived yesterday so I'd be interested in seeing progress here too.
+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure when I'll find time to actually play with the thing tho'!!!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> COl
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> -- 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160;  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
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+</I>&gt;<i>&#160; &#160;  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>n54 at gmx.com</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Idea%20to%20fix%20%22Way%20too%20many%20languages%20to%20choose%20from%20for%0A%20spell%20checking%20in%20FF%20and%20TB%22%20mga%236125&In-Reply-To=%3C20120626233803.30950%40gmx.com%3E"
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+    <I>Wed Jun 27 01:38:03 CEST 2012</I>
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+I have got an idea to fix this bug with a new drak tool (DrakSpell?). It would be an assistant with a list of all available languages with all their variants to select and install. And the trick: it will install a package (like hunspell-en) and remove (rm -f) the unselected dicts (en_CA, en_GB ...).
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+ This seems to be against rules.. but would be a solution. And this seems to be much better than producing (and maintaining!) 1000 packages with single dicts.
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 26 juni 2012 21:40:51 schreef Anne nicolas:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Our meeting will happen tomorrow evening at 19hUTC. Here are the
+</I>&gt;<i> proposed topics:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - pending security updates
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mageia 3 features
+</I>&gt;<i> - Backports policy
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> For the 2 last topics please read following links *before* meeting:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016819.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016819.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016855.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016855.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>
+can we have another talk of bug 2317? to find people willing to make a new 
+patch that's quite more complex?
+
+ideally bug 2317 should be fixed before backports opens
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Idea%20to%20fix%20%22Way%20too%20many%20languages%20to%20choose%20from%0A%20for%20spell%20checking%20in%20FF%20and%20TB%22%20mga%236125&In-Reply-To=%3C4FEAA52F.1000803%40xs4all.nl%3E"
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+<PRE>On 27/06/2012 01:38, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A> wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have got an idea to fix this bug with a new drak tool (DrakSpell?). It
+</I>&gt;<i> would be an assistant with a list of all available languages with all
+</I>&gt;<i> their variants to select and install. And the trick: it will install a
+</I>&gt;<i> package (like hunspell-en) and remove (rm -f) the unselected dicts
+</I>&gt;<i> (en_CA, en_GB ...).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This seems to be against rules.. but would be a solution. And this seems
+</I>&gt;<i> to be much better than producing (and maintaining!) 1000 packages with
+</I>&gt;<i> single dicts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>
+
+Sounds great, I'm willing to test :)
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+As a workaround for now, can we just remove all
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 26 juni 2012 23:15:16 schreef Sander Lepik:
+&gt;<i> 26.06.2012 22:25, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * backports is supported as long as the rest of the release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Comments? Questions ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we should change the wording from &quot;supported&quot; to &quot;tested&quot;. Currently
+</I>&gt;<i> we can &quot;support&quot; backport with a newer version of the backport. But i don't
+</I>&gt;<i> think it's a wise move to mark backports repo as an updates repo. So i
+</I>&gt;<i> don't see how we can _support_ backports. And QA has no time to deal with
+</I>&gt;<i> updates for backports (i mean to search for security holes in backports).
+</I>&gt;<i> But this can be discussed tomorrow.
+</I>
+i agree, this is only a wording change, but is imho substantially different 
+from complete support, which is impossible.
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 26 juni 2012 22:25:10 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+&gt;<i> So,
+</I>&gt;<i> we have been discussing this many times, and not gotten any
+</I>&gt;<i> satisfactory decision to go ahead yet...
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> Now a point that got raised during discussion of bug 2317:
+</I>&gt;<i> * if a backport break because of something ending up in /updates
+</I>&gt;<i>    it's a bug to be reported against the backport (and not against
+</I>&gt;<i>    the released update) as packages ending up in /updates are only
+</I>&gt;<i>    validated against /release and /updates (and rightfully so as
+</I>&gt;<i>    thats how they are built too)
+</I>
+* in the rare event that an update breaks because of something ending up in 
+/backports before the update was done, the users who had installed that 
+backport, will either need to install the new dependency that's in /release, 
+by replacing it with it's backported version manually. or will have to remove 
+the backport manually to allow the update to be installed.
+
+I'm just giving this for reference, it should be added to the policy imho.
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i> And since we can continue this what/if discussion forever,
+</I>&gt;<i> and thereby delay backports even more here is my take on it:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> my suggestions to decide on question 1 and 2:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. backporting bigger version to mga1 than mga2 has is
+</I>&gt;<i>     allowed as it will otherwise restrict backporting
+</I>&gt;<i>     too much. (and since its leaf packages, it should
+</I>&gt;<i>     not break (too much)). Lets just make it clear to
+</I>&gt;<i>     everyone using backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. we cant really require that as the one backporting
+</I>&gt;<i>     the package to mga1 has to backport it to mga2 too
+</I>&gt;<i>     as he/she might not be using mga2 at all. if someone
+</I>&gt;<i>     wants/needs the backport for mga2, they need to
+</I>&gt;<i>     request that. (in reality, going by how backports
+</I>&gt;<i>     got handled in mdv most backports will end up in
+</I>&gt;<i>     all supported releases anyway)
+</I>
+I agree either way here. your suggestion is fine for me, another solution is 
+also fine
+
+&gt;<i> If we can agree on this as a start, we can open backports
+</I>&gt;<i> soon so we get actual facts of how backports policy and
+</I>&gt;<i> process works.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we rewiew backports policy and process in ~6 months,
+</I>&gt;<i> and adjust it if needed.
+</I>
+I agree with you fully, except for the addendum and bug 2317. iinm QA 
+requested that bug 2317 would be fixed before backports opens, because it'll 
+make their job harder.
+
+the patch i proposed was not good enough, so someone with more in-depth 
+knowledge of perl-urpm than myself needs to take a look at things.
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 26 juni 2012 22:43:44 schreef Olav Vitters:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 08:59:43PM -0400, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Fedora plans are here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html?style=light">http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html?style=light</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Ubuntu plans are here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-June/035445.html">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-June/035445.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Interesting.  So the main reason people have complained about us not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; using GRUB2 is poor interaction when trying to dual boot with other
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distros that do use it, namely Ubuntu.  If Ubuntu isn't going to use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it by default, is it really mandatory that we switch to it?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You cannot use the Ubuntu method, they plan their Ubuntu-only
+</I>&gt;<i> certificate.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora way is by using Grub 2 and having a small boot bit which is
+</I>&gt;<i> certified.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So Grub2 seems the way to go.
+</I>
+I thought they were planning on signing all the stuff after grub2 as well?
+
+I have no trouble having signed bootloader. but i would prefer it to be from a 
+completely free CA. ie: NOT from microsoft.
+
+above signing from microsoft, I would even prefer to have a documentation that 
+requests to disable Secure Boot, then generate your own key and adding that, 
+and then setting up Secure Boot again, with your own personal signed stuff.
+
+of course, if there was an independant org that had it's CA in all hardware, 
+and signed all free OSes, that would be alot better.
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+<PRE>On 27 June 2012 06:22, kharec &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: perl-HTML-HTML5-Entities &#160; &#160; Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 0.3.0 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 1.mga3 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Wed Jun 27 06:21:45 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Development/Perl &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 69102 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: GPL+ or Artistic
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: kharec &lt;kharec&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://search.cpan.org/dist/HTML-HTML5-Entities">http://search.cpan.org/dist/HTML-HTML5-Entities</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Drop-in replacement for HTML::Entities
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a drop-in replacement for the HTML::Entities manpage, providing the
+</I>&gt;<i> character entities defined in HTML5. Some caveats:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * * The implementation is pure perl, hence in some cases slower, especially
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;decoding.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> where is the tarball ?
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+<A HREF="https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/libpwquality/">https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/libpwquality/</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:15:07AM +0200, Dexter Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> where is the tarball ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/libpwquality/">https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/libpwquality/</A>
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+<PRE>Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund skrev 26.6.2012 22:25:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we have been discussing this many times, and not gotten any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> satisfactory decision to go ahead yet...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> First off, we decided long ago that backports will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> better supported than during mdv times, meaning security
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and bugfixes and has to pass QA.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now for references:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * we have the backports policy:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Backports_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Backports_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Last discussions started by Stormi:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     * [Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016265.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016265.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     * [Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016263.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016263.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * It also came up in the discussion about fixing bug 2317:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     * [Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --search-media
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>        <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016692.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016692.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> People seem to agree on most things, but there is a few questions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that need to be decided how to handle.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Lets start with the summary and suggestion of how to get it started:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (addendum / refinements / important points of current backports policy)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * backports is supported as long as the rest of the release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * packages must always be in cauldron first
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * if you want to backport a package someone else is maintainer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     for, you need to discuss with maintainer first. if he dont
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     want the package to be backported _and_ have valid reasons,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     respect that. (if you disagree, you can still ask council)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * if you backport anything, (regardless if you are the real
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     maintainer or not) you accept the responsibility of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     handling the bugreports against the backport and make sure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     it gets patched (or upgraded) to get security fixes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * cherrypicking backports must work, so requires need
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     to be checked and be strict to make sure they work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * nothing in backports must require the use of &quot;--nodeps&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     or &quot;--force&quot; to get it to install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * QA will do basic tests to make sure it works and obeys the rules
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * QA can deny package(s) to be backported if it breaks the policy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * QA has /updates as priority, and /backports will be handled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     if/when there is time, so if you want faster response, join QA
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     to help out with the workload.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now a point that got raised during discussion of bug 2317:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * if a backport break because of something ending up in /updates
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     it's a bug to be reported against the backport (and not against
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     the released update) as packages ending up in /updates are only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     validated against /release and /updates (and rightfully so as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     thats how they are built too)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And some important points to avoid making backports_testing a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;dumping ground&quot; for package(r)s trying to avoid the policy:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * after submitting anything to backports_testing you have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     48 hours to file/assign a &quot;Backport to validate&quot; at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     bugs.mageia.org.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * package needs to be validated within 1 month (or shorter/longer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     time if QA wants that)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * failure to match any of the two timelimits will get the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     package removed from updates_testing again. (I understand this
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This should have stated &quot;backports_testing&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     will get some questions, but if we cant get people to help out
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     with QA we might as well never open backports)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And then the questions we need to decide on:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (substitute mga1/mga2 for any future release...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Do we support backporting package with higher version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      than package in the following next mageia release has ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      (meaning if mga1 has v12, and mga2 has v14, is it ok
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       to backport v16 to mga1?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      * PRO: more uptodate package in backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      * CON: can cause trouble during distro upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      * imho both technically ok as long as we make sure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>        its documented so people know what to expect.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. If one want to backport a package to mga1, does it mean
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      it must be backported to mga2 in order to preserve
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      upgrade path (unless already in mga2, depending on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      question 1)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And since we can continue this what/if discussion forever,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and thereby delay backports even more here is my take on it:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my suggestions to decide on question 1 and 2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. backporting bigger version to mga1 than mga2 has is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      allowed as it will otherwise restrict backporting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      too much. (and since its leaf packages, it should
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      not break (too much)). Lets just make it clear to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      everyone using backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. we cant really require that as the one backporting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      the package to mga1 has to backport it to mga2 too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      as he/she might not be using mga2 at all. if someone
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      wants/needs the backport for mga2, they need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      request that. (in reality, going by how backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      got handled in mdv most backports will end up in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      all supported releases anyway)
+</I>
+I would favour adding the requirement that the dependancies of the 
+backport must be available in the next release.  So that we would expect 
+that the backport would continue to function properly on an update to 
+the next release, but we don't require that it be tested, so it may not.
+This is a relatively simple to check, so it won't have a big impact on 
+QA, but should increase significantly the reliability of backports.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> If we can agree on this as a start, we can open backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> soon so we get actual facts of how backports policy and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> process works.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then we rewiew backports policy and process in ~6 months,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and adjust it if needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Comments? Questions ?
+</I>
+I would favour tagging backports as update repos, so that in the event 
+of a newer backport for security or bug fixes, that it will be 
+automatically presented with other updates.
+This would require some modification to update tools, so it seems to me 
+ok to open backports beforehand, with the understanding that the update 
+tools would be changed to accommodate this.
+&gt;&gt;<i> -- 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>-- 
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+<PRE>AL13N a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 26 juni 2012 23:15:16 schreef Sander Lepik:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 26.06.2012 22:25, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * backports is supported as long as the rest of the release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Comments? Questions ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should change the wording from &quot;supported&quot; to &quot;tested&quot;. Currently
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we can &quot;support&quot; backport with a newer version of the backport. But i don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think it's a wise move to mark backports repo as an updates repo. So i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't see how we can _support_ backports. And QA has no time to deal with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates for backports (i mean to search for security holes in backports).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But this can be discussed tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> i agree, this is only a wording change, but is imho substantially different
+</I>&gt;<i> from complete support, which is impossible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>Or we could say &quot;partially supported&quot;, or &quot;low-priority support&quot;.
+Since the support is more than just testing.
+Nominally, it is almost as much as regular packages, but with a lower 
+priority.
+
+(Some might argue that we don't offer &quot;complete&quot; support for regular 
+packages, as we don't garantee a response within 24 hours.)
+
+-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+    <B>Olivier Thauvin</B> 
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+<PRE>I was updating remotly my build machine when:
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+  192/254: openssh-server
+#############################################################################################################################################################
+Migrating sysvinit service 'sshd' to systemd native unit 'sshd.service'
+via systemd install rules.
+Connection to cauldron64.latmos.ipsl.fr closed by remote host.
+Connection to cauldron64.latmos.ipsl.fr closed.
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+This must _never_ happend if the update goes wrong you completly loose
+the hand on the computer.
+
+BTW: restarting sshd never shutdown pending ssh connection.
+
+Please remove or fix this.
+
+Let's see the state of machine now I was disconnected during urpmi...
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+-- 
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+<PRE>27.06.2012 10:56, andre999 kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Or we could say &quot;partially supported&quot;, or &quot;low-priority support&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Since the support is more than just testing.
+</I>How is it more than testing? QA will test if the package installs w/o conflicts + will check
+that it at least starts. But that's about it. No deeper testing like with Firefox or with
+LibreOffice.
+&gt;<i> Nominally, it is almost as much as regular packages, but with a lower priority.
+</I>Regular packages get updates in special repo. Backports won't - so can't agree here either. :)
+
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+<PRE>27.06.2012 11:06, Olivier Thauvin kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> I was updating remotly my build machine when:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>   192/254: openssh-server
+</I>&gt;<i> #############################################################################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> Migrating sysvinit service 'sshd' to systemd native unit 'sshd.service'
+</I>&gt;<i> via systemd install rules.
+</I>&gt;<i> Connection to cauldron64.latmos.ipsl.fr closed by remote host.
+</I>&gt;<i> Connection to cauldron64.latmos.ipsl.fr closed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This must _never_ happend if the update goes wrong you completly loose
+</I>&gt;<i> the hand on the computer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW: restarting sshd never shutdown pending ssh connection.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please remove or fix this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's see the state of machine now I was disconnected during urpmi...
+</I>Check your /etc/ssh/sshd_config - you must use &quot;UsePAM yes&quot; there.
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#SSH_daemon_issues">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#SSH_daemon_issues</A>
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+--
+Sander
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+    <B>Olivier Thauvin</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org
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+<PRE>* Sander Lepik (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> 27.06.2012 11:06, Olivier Thauvin kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I was updating remotly my build machine when:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   192/254: openssh-server
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #############################################################################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Migrating sysvinit service 'sshd' to systemd native unit 'sshd.service'
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; via systemd install rules.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Connection to cauldron64.latmos.ipsl.fr closed by remote host.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Connection to cauldron64.latmos.ipsl.fr closed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This must _never_ happend if the update goes wrong you completly loose
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the hand on the computer.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; BTW: restarting sshd never shutdown pending ssh connection.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please remove or fix this.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Let's see the state of machine now I was disconnected during urpmi...
+</I>&gt;<i> Check your /etc/ssh/sshd_config - you must use &quot;UsePAM yes&quot; there.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#SSH_daemon_issues">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#SSH_daemon_issues</A>
+</I>
+We already use PAM in ssh (because ldap)...
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+-- 
+
+Olivier Thauvin
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+<PRE>Sander Lepik skrev 26.6.2012 23:15:
+&gt;<i> 26.06.2012 22:25, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * backports is supported as long as the rest of the release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Comments? Questions ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we should change the wording from &quot;supported&quot; to &quot;tested&quot;. Currently we can
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;support&quot; backport with a newer version of the backport. But i don't think it's a wise move
+</I>&gt;<i> to mark backports repo as an updates repo. So i don't see how we can _support_ backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> And QA has no time to deal with updates for backports (i mean to search for security holes
+</I>&gt;<i> in backports). But this can be discussed tomorrow.
+</I>
+Well,
+
+It's the backporters job to make sure its fixed for security issues as 
+stated by:
+
+* if you backport anything, (regardless if you are the real
+   maintainer or not) you accept the responsibility of
+   handling the bugreports against the backport and make sure
+   it gets patched (or upgraded) to get security fixes.
+
+
+It's not supposed to be flagged as an update repo as that would make it 
+upgrade all packages it find in the system with matching backports packages.
+
+So we need to either create a &quot;backports update applet&quot; or extend 
+current update applet.
+
+(or &quot;worst case&quot; until we get it automated tell the user of backported
+  packages to make sure they check if a new/fixed rpm is available in
+  backports)
+
+And there will still be some advisory notifying people of new backports,
+just like we do for security and bugfix updates now.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+<PRE>Thomas Backlund skrev 26.6.2012 23:48:
+&gt;<i> So,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> GCC-4.7.1 was released upstream on 2012-06-14,
+</I>&gt;<i> and it has now passed my builds and testing on both i586 and x86_64.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So it's time to push it to Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will rebuild core packages:
+</I>&gt;<i> gcc, binutils, glibc, kernel and kmod-* packages
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so you might want to wait with updating your local caldron install
+</I>&gt;<i> until all packages are available.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll post a follow-up when it's done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It should now be safe to upgrade as the rebuilt core packages and 
+kernels are now available ...
+
+--
+Thomas
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection">mageia at colin.guthr.ie
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 27/06/12 09:17 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> * Sander Lepik (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 27.06.2012 11:06, Olivier Thauvin kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was updating remotly my build machine when:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   192/254: openssh-server
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> #############################################################################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Migrating sysvinit service 'sshd' to systemd native unit 'sshd.service'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> via systemd install rules.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Connection to cauldron64.latmos.ipsl.fr closed by remote host.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Connection to cauldron64.latmos.ipsl.fr closed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This must _never_ happend if the update goes wrong you completly loose
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the hand on the computer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> BTW: restarting sshd never shutdown pending ssh connection.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please remove or fix this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Let's see the state of machine now I was disconnected during urpmi...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Check your /etc/ssh/sshd_config - you must use &quot;UsePAM yes&quot; there.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#SSH_daemon_issues">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#SSH_daemon_issues</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We already use PAM in ssh (because ldap)...
+</I>
+Then check your /etc/pam.d/system-auth (or /etc/pam.d/sshd which should
+include system-auth).
+
+
+The system-auth we ship includes:
+
+-session    optional      pam_systemd.so
+
+
+This ensures that user processes inside sshd are not marked as processes
+of the service and thus do not get reaped.
+
+
+So it looks like something has not been propagated properly there on
+upgrade (system-auth should be modified appropriately, but perhaps sshd
+is custom or some other changes are messing things up).
+
+There is certainly not a fundamental error, so it must be configuration
+in some regard:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> ~]$ ssh marley
+Last login: Wed Jun 27 09:23:42 2012 from jimmy.rasta.guthr.ie
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at marley</A> ~]$ sudo -i
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at marley</A> ~]# systemctl restart sshd.service
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at marley</A> ~]# logout
+
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+<PRE>Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Sander Lepik skrev 26.6.2012 23:15:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 26.06.2012 22:25, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * backports is supported as long as the rest of the release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Comments? Questions ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should change the wording from &quot;supported&quot; to &quot;tested&quot;. 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Currently we can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;support&quot; backport with a newer version of the backport. But i don't 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think it's a wise move
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to mark backports repo as an updates repo. So i don't see how we can 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _support_ backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And QA has no time to deal with updates for backports (i mean to 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> search for security holes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in backports). But this can be discussed tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's the backporters job to make sure its fixed for security issues as 
+</I>&gt;<i> stated by:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * if you backport anything, (regardless if you are the real
+</I>&gt;<i>   maintainer or not) you accept the responsibility of
+</I>&gt;<i>   handling the bugreports against the backport and make sure
+</I>&gt;<i>   it gets patched (or upgraded) to get security fixes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not supposed to be flagged as an update repo as that would make 
+</I>&gt;<i> it upgrade all packages it find in the system with matching backports 
+</I>&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So we need to either create a &quot;backports update applet&quot; or extend 
+</I>&gt;<i> current update applet.
+</I>
+I would favour extending the current update tools, and then flagging 
+backport repos as updates, so that newer backports would be treated as 
+updates to already installed backports at the same time as other updates.
+
+&gt;<i> (or &quot;worst case&quot; until we get it automated tell the user of backported
+</I>&gt;<i>  packages to make sure they check if a new/fixed rpm is available in
+</I>&gt;<i>  backports)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And there will still be some advisory notifying people of new backports,
+</I>&gt;<i> just like we do for security and bugfix updates now.
+</I>
++1
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -- 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+Andr&#233;
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+    <B>Olivier Thauvin</B> 
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+<PRE>* Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 27/06/12 09:17 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Sander Lepik (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 27.06.2012 11:06, Olivier Thauvin kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I was updating remotly my build machine when:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;   192/254: openssh-server
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; #############################################################################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Migrating sysvinit service 'sshd' to systemd native unit 'sshd.service'
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; via systemd install rules.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Connection to cauldron64.latmos.ipsl.fr closed by remote host.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Connection to cauldron64.latmos.ipsl.fr closed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; This must _never_ happend if the update goes wrong you completly loose
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; the hand on the computer.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; BTW: restarting sshd never shutdown pending ssh connection.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Please remove or fix this.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Let's see the state of machine now I was disconnected during urpmi...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Check your /etc/ssh/sshd_config - you must use &quot;UsePAM yes&quot; there.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#SSH_daemon_issues">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#SSH_daemon_issues</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We already use PAM in ssh (because ldap)...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Then check your /etc/pam.d/system-auth (or /etc/pam.d/sshd which should
+</I>&gt;<i> include system-auth).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The system-auth we ship includes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> -session    optional      pam_systemd.so
+</I>
+My system-auth is pushed via puppet to setup ldap authentication.
+
+So at time I'll add this to sshd pam config file.
+
+I wonder how other sys admin does to automated setup of their servers.
+
+Thanks.
+
+-- 
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS  -  LATMOS
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+<PRE>On 27 June 2012 08:11, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Our meeting will happen tomorrow evening at 19hUTC. Here are the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proposed topics:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - pending security updates
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Mageia 3 features
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Backports policy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For the 2 last topics please read following links *before* meeting:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016819.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016819.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016855.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016855.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> can we have another talk of bug 2317? to find people willing to make a new
+</I>&gt;<i> patch that's quite more complex?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ideally bug 2317 should be fixed before backports opens
+</I>
+No, it's not related since you can't garanty that every user will get the update
+prior to use backports.
+So there's no need to rush...
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+<PRE>Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 27.06.2012 10:56, andre999 kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or we could say &quot;partially supported&quot;, or &quot;low-priority support&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since the support is more than just testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> How is it more than testing? QA will test if the package installs w/o conflicts + will check
+</I>&gt;<i> that it at least starts. But that's about it. No deeper testing like with Firefox or with
+</I>&gt;<i> LibreOffice.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+Ok, testing by QA is less detailed.  After preliminary testing before 
+reaching QA, which presumably is more involved.  Complex packages like 
+Firefox or LibreOffice necessarily need more testing in any case.
+But don't forget that the packager is committed to providing security 
+updates and bug fixes, much as for regular packages.  Which is more than 
+&quot;just testing&quot;.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Nominally, it is almost as much as regular packages, but with a lower priority.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> Regular packages get updates in special repo. Backports won't - so can't agree here either. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+The advantage of separate release repos when looking for updates, is 
+that scanning all the (much more numerous) release packages is avoided.  
+Otherwise (as far as updates are concerned), one could put the release 
+and regular updates in the same repo.
+Backports will be relatively limited in number, and the release repo for 
+backports would be necessarily empty.  So there is no point in two repos 
+for backports.  Backports are essentially updates.  (Albeit a special 
+kind.)  That is, changes from the release.
+
+We only want to install a backport if expressly selected, or a 
+corresponding backport is already installed.
+Much as we would only want to install a package from an update repo if 
+it is expressly selected, or a corresponding update or release package 
+is already installed.
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>-- 
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+<PRE>Thierry Vignaud skrev 27.6.2012 11:55:
+&gt;<i> On 27 June 2012 08:11, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> can we have another talk of bug 2317? to find people willing to make a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patch that's quite more complex?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ideally bug 2317 should be fixed before backports opens
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, it's not related since you can't garanty that every user will get the update
+</I>&gt;<i> prior to use backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> So there's no need to rush...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, its no need to rush it &quot;for backports&quot; as we wont do any linking 
+/checking for that (since we dont have any update applet for that either)
+
+But it's absolutely _critical_ to get it done for managing current 
+/updates as the amount of extra work to check deps and link them are
+insane...
+
+
+At the rate we are linking stuff to updates tree it will soon be
+almost like:
+
+pushd media/core/release
+for pkg in *.rpm; do ln $pkg ../updates/$pkg;done
+popd
+
+
+And comparing with mdv and their linking they have it easy...
+
+As only /main is supported they only have to check that,
+wich means:
+~ 2950 srpms
+~ 7600 rpms
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+Compare that to our /core:
+~ 9970 srpms
+~ 19340 rpms
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+Then we have /nonfree to cover (as mdv non-free)
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+Then we have /tainted
+(mdv didn't need to think about that either as that was plf)
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+So as a carrot (or a whip) to get someone to try to fix #2317,
+one could say &quot;it needs to be fixed before opening backports&quot;
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+--
+Thomas
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary">anaselli at linux.it
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+    <I>Wed Jun 27 11:58:39 CEST 2012</I>
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+Il 27/06/2012 10:23, Thomas Backlund ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> It's not supposed to be flagged as an update repo as that would
+</I>&gt;<i> make it upgrade all packages it find in the system with matching
+</I>&gt;<i> backports packages.
+</I>Why not? Just let the user to decide, who does want it, just enable it.
+Who wants cherry-peeking it just enable the bp repo and disable it
+after.
+
+The real problem is how to make people understanding that a bp has
+been released as bug or security fixing of an already backported
+package... No problems if you enable bp as updates, while you
+have problems if you cherry-peek a package...
+
+Angelo
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+Il 27/06/2012 10:23, Thomas Backlund ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> And there will still be some advisory notifying people of new
+</I>&gt;<i> backports, just like we do for security and bugfix updates now.
+</I>This could solve my last :)
+
+Angelo
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> So as a carrot (or a whip) to get someone to try to fix #2317,
+</I>&gt;<i> one could say &quot;it needs to be fixed before opening backports&quot;
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+No it's still orthogonal: not every people will have installed the needed
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+    <B>R&#233;mi Verschelde</B> 
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+    <I>Wed Jun 27 12:26:54 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hi,
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+As Oliver proposed in the &#8220;Mageia 2 post-mortem&#8221; topic on this mailing
+list, our team meeting will be held tomorrow, on Thursday 28th at
+17.30 UTC (that is 18h30 London time and 19h30 Paris time, search for
+the correspondance with your timezone here[1] if you don't know what
+is the &#916;t in your case). As usual the meeting will be on Freenode's
+#mageia-i18n IRC channel.
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+We will discuss quite important topics for our team and workflow so
+please try to attend.
+
+The topics will be:
+1) Mageia 2 post-mortem: see this mail[2] for the various feedback and
+suggestions.
+2) Transifex replacement; clarification of the workflow until we
+replace Tx with something else.
+3) Wiki translation: this has been discussed yesterday in the
+documentation team meeting. I will try to see with Marja and Oliver
+what is the current status.
+4) Feel free to suggest other topics.
+
+See you tomorrow!
+
+Regards,
+R&#233;mi / Akien
+
+[1] <A HREF="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/">http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/</A>
+[2] <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-i18n/2012-June/002988.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-i18n/2012-June/002988.html</A>
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+    <B>R&#233;mi Verschelde</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Meeting%20on%20Thursday%2028th%20at%2017.30%20UTC&In-Reply-To=%3CCAHWeTybEtbvJcnROefQnXuHP3EOMMbFpRUYh6QQc5s8B%3DQHSPw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Meeting on Thursday 28th at 17.30 UTC">remi at verschelde.fr
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+    <I>Wed Jun 27 12:27:22 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Wrong ML, sorry ;)
+
+2012/6/27 R&#233;mi Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">remi at verschelde.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As Oliver proposed in the &#8220;Mageia 2 post-mortem&#8221; topic on this mailing
+</I>&gt;<i> list, our team meeting will be held tomorrow, on Thursday 28th at
+</I>&gt;<i> 17.30 UTC (that is 18h30 London time and 19h30 Paris time, search for
+</I>&gt;<i> the correspondance with your timezone here[1] if you don't know what
+</I>&gt;<i> is the &#916;t in your case). As usual the meeting will be on Freenode's
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-i18n IRC channel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We will discuss quite important topics for our team and workflow so
+</I>&gt;<i> please try to attend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The topics will be:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) Mageia 2 post-mortem: see this mail[2] for the various feedback and
+</I>&gt;<i> suggestions.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) Transifex replacement; clarification of the workflow until we
+</I>&gt;<i> replace Tx with something else.
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) Wiki translation: this has been discussed yesterday in the
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation team meeting. I will try to see with Marja and Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> what is the current status.
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) Feel free to suggest other topics.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See you tomorrow!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> R&#233;mi / Akien
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/">http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> [2] <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-i18n/2012-June/002988.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-i18n/2012-June/002988.html</A>
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+<PRE>Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;<i> But using a DVD to upgrade an already installed system is a good way to get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> around the fact that many packages, including nonfree firmware, are missing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from the DVD.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If one does a clean install, one has to try to find a lot of missing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages, because they are no longer installed.  This impacts considerably
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the usability of the system.  (Considering what the user had installed.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All one has to do after the upgrade install, is reboot and do a normal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upgrade with rpmdrake (selecting &quot;all updates&quot; and &quot;all packages&quot;), and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> almost everything works well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (For me upgrade to mga1 worked perfectly.  The last 2 upgrades with mdv had
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some problems, due to other factors.  A clean install has always caused me a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lot of problems.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With a clean install, it can be problematic to find all the missing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages, as well as missing firmware.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not saying we remove all upgrade ways as we still have mgaapplet.
+</I>&gt;<i> We experienced *a lot* of problem during QA tests using DVD to
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade.  Really I don'&quot;t understand your point...
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+Well maybe I'm not understanding your proposal.  Initially I thought it 
+was to remove the update option at the end of the upgrade process with 
+the DVD.
+
+Then a post earlier in this thread said that you didn't mean that, and 
+seemed to say that you were suggesting removing the upgrade install 
+option with the DVD, leaving only the clean install.
+If so, I am strongly opposed, as in my experience, for the reasons 
+cited, it has been by far the best upgrade path for myself, and I'm sure 
+for many others.
+
+However, maybe I'm misunderstanding your proposal ?
+
+Maybe the introduction of systemd introduced a one-time transition 
+problem which will not normally be encountered with a DVD upgrade install ?
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Note that I don't use mgaapplet after an upgrade install, since it doesn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> give me all the information I want, to help me decide if I should drop some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages that were installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> This is not the role of this tool.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+Sorry, just trying to put my approach in context.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> It may be that using mgaapplet after an upgrade install is the weak link in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the chain.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And certainly urpmi is not a convenient tool at this point.  (Although I use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it a lot at other times.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> So because mgaapplet is buggy for upgrades, we should just let it down
+</I>&gt;<i> and use DVD ?
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+That is not the same thing as saying that we should *prevent* using the 
+DVD for upgrades.
+In any case, with the reliability of Internet connexions available at my 
+location, it is highly unlikely that I could make an upgrade without the 
+DVD.  And during a DVD upgrade, I don't have Internet access.  (My 
+Internet supplier usually cuts the connexion if not active for 5 
+minutes, which always happens with a DVD upgrade.)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Note also that with upgrade install, even firmware that is missing from the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release (and not only the DVD) remains installed.  So there are cases where
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an upgrade install necessarily produces a better functioning system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So in sum, in my view, removing upgrade install for DVDs would be an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> important regression.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But maybe we should suggest rebooting and using rpmdrake after such an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> This is non sense... Either the upgrade tool does its job properly or
+</I>&gt;<i> not... How can we say Mageia is easy when you propose such process?
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+Sorry, but I think that even the least computer-savy user could easily 
+use this approach.
+Simply
+1) Do upgrade with DVD
+2) Reboot
+3) Do update with MCC/software/package_installer (rpmdrake) or 
+update_system (mgaapplet)
+
+Since an upgrade install only removes packages that are replaced, 
+nonfree firmware stays installed. Also packages not on the DVD stay 
+installed, even though not updated until step 3.
+
+Note that on Microsoft systems, it is generally recommended to reboot 
+after installing, even for relatively minor upgrades.  Instead of only 
+after a release upgrade.
+
+If the user has reliable Internet access during upgrade, of course it 
+would be advantageous to do it in one step.
+
+Note also that at least in North America, users can usually download a 
+DVD for free at their local library, even if they don't have a good 
+Internet connexion at home.  And in other regions, users could obtain a 
+copy of the DVD without having to download it themselves.
+So the DVD upgrade install has its' place.
+
+Regards :)
+
+-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Thierry Vignaud skrev 27.6.2012 13:09:
+&gt;<i> On 27 June 2012 11:52, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So as a carrot (or a whip) to get someone to try to fix #2317,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one could say &quot;it needs to be fixed before opening backports&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No it's still orthogonal: not every people will have installed the needed
+</I>&gt;<i> updates packages...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, technically yes, but as the purpose of this &quot;carrot&quot; is exactly
+&quot;if user want to get backports repos opened&quot; then &quot;user need to help
+fix #2317 (or help find someone that can)&quot; :)
+
+Point is that we are slowly killing QA, wich means at some point it will 
+stop working -&gt; we might as well stop doing releases.
+
+And people are also dreaming of LTS, wich with current resources
+will never happend.
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+So we _really_ need to help QA minimize their workload as much as
+possible.
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 27 juin 2012 11:06:49 Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 27.06.2012 10:56, andre999 kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Or we could say &quot;partially supported&quot;, or &quot;low-priority support&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Since the support is more than just testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> How is it more than testing? QA will test if the package installs w/o
+</I>&gt;<i> conflicts + will check that it at least starts. But that's about it. No
+</I>&gt;<i> deeper testing like with Firefox or with LibreOffice.
+</I>
+It should be obvious : support is not just testing, it's also commitment from 
+the packager to fix future bugs and security issues. Don't you see the 
+difference ?
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Nominally, it is almost as much as regular packages, but with a lower
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; priority.
+</I>&gt;<i> Regular packages get updates in special repo. Backports won't - so can't
+</I>&gt;<i> agree here either. :)
+</I>
+An update for an update is in the same media as the previous update. Same as 
+backports. Thomas is right.
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund a &#195;&#169;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sander Lepik skrev 26.6.2012 23:15:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 26.06.2012 22:25, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * backports is supported as long as the rest of the release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Comments? Questions ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should change the wording from &quot;supported&quot; to &quot;tested&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Currently we can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;support&quot; backport with a newer version of the backport. But i don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> think it's a wise move
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to mark backports repo as an updates repo. So i don't see how we can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _support_ backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And QA has no time to deal with updates for backports (i mean to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> search for security holes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in backports). But this can be discussed tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's the backporters job to make sure its fixed for security issues as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stated by:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * if you backport anything, (regardless if you are the real
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   maintainer or not) you accept the responsibility of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   handling the bugreports against the backport and make sure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   it gets patched (or upgraded) to get security fixes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's not supposed to be flagged as an update repo as that would make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it upgrade all packages it find in the system with matching backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So we need to either create a &quot;backports update applet&quot; or extend
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> current update applet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would favour extending the current update tools, and then flagging
+</I>&gt;<i> backport repos as updates, so that newer backports would be treated as
+</I>&gt;<i> updates to already installed backports at the same time as other updates.
+</I>
+actually, since the applet will have to works like this: (cf bug 2317)
+
+1. mark media to get updates from
+2. mark seachmedia to get it's dependencies from (release)
+3. do updates
+
+extending this to backports does the following:
+
+1. mark update media + backport media
+2. mark search media to get it's dependencies from (release)
+3. do updates
+
+With regard to dependencies, this means we'd be including backports too,
+which means we could use my patch for bug 2317 anyway.
+
+If you don't want this, you'd have to do the updates and backports
+separately. which is again quite some complexity.
+
+(besides, if we do have strict requires, to make cherry-picking work, the
+problems we'd get from using the patch would go away anyway.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> (or &quot;worst case&quot; until we get it automated tell the user of backported
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  packages to make sure they check if a new/fixed rpm is available in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  backports)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And there will still be some advisory notifying people of new backports,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just like we do for security and bugfix updates now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr&#195;&#169;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> On 27 June 2012 08:11, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Our meeting will happen tomorrow evening at 19hUTC. Here are the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proposed topics:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - pending security updates
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Mageia 3 features
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Backports policy
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For the 2 last topics please read following links *before* meeting:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016819.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016819.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016855.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016855.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can we have another talk of bug 2317? to find people willing to make a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patch that's quite more complex?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ideally bug 2317 should be fixed before backports opens
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, it's not related since you can't garanty that every user will get the
+</I>&gt;<i> update
+</I>&gt;<i> prior to use backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> So there's no need to rush...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+QA team told me that it would increase their workload dramatically, so i
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+&gt;<i> So as a carrot (or a whip) to get someone to try to fix #2317,
+</I>&gt;<i> one could say &quot;it needs to be fixed before opening backports&quot;
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+<PRE>andre999 skrev 27.6.2012 10:47:
+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund skrev 26.6.2012 22:25:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And then the questions we need to decide on:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (substitute mga1/mga2 for any future release...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Do we support backporting package with higher version
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       than package in the following next mageia release has ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       (meaning if mga1 has v12, and mga2 has v14, is it ok
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        to backport v16 to mga1?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       * PRO: more uptodate package in backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       * CON: can cause trouble during distro upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       * imho both technically ok as long as we make sure
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>         its documented so people know what to expect.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. If one want to backport a package to mga1, does it mean
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       it must be backported to mga2 in order to preserve
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       upgrade path (unless already in mga2, depending on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       question 1)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And since we can continue this what/if discussion forever,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and thereby delay backports even more here is my take on it:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> my suggestions to decide on question 1 and 2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. backporting bigger version to mga1 than mga2 has is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       allowed as it will otherwise restrict backporting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       too much. (and since its leaf packages, it should
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       not break (too much)). Lets just make it clear to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       everyone using backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. we cant really require that as the one backporting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       the package to mga1 has to backport it to mga2 too
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       as he/she might not be using mga2 at all. if someone
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       wants/needs the backport for mga2, they need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       request that. (in reality, going by how backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       got handled in mdv most backports will end up in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       all supported releases anyway)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would favour adding the requirement that the dependancies of the
+</I>&gt;<i> backport must be available in the next release.  So that we would expect
+</I>
+
+This is esentially stating that we cant backport any bigger version to 
+mga2 /backports than mga3 will havein /release wich means when we hit 
+version freeze for mga3, it also freezes mga2 /backports...
+
+
+&gt;<i> that the backport would continue to function properly on an update to
+</I>&gt;<i> the next release, but we don't require that it be tested, so it may not.
+</I>
+-ENOTCOMPUTE
+
+&quot;continue to function properly&quot; vs &quot;don't require that it be tested&quot;
+
+&gt;<i> This is a relatively simple to check, so it won't have a big impact on
+</I>&gt;<i> QA, but should increase significantly the reliability of backports.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nothing is &quot;simple&quot; if it's supposed to &quot;continue to function properly&quot;
+as it then must be tested.
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we can agree on this as a start, we can open backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> soon so we get actual facts of how backports policy and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> process works.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Then we rewiew backports policy and process in ~6 months,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and adjust it if needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Comments? Questions ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would favour tagging backports as update repos, so that in the event
+</I>&gt;<i> of a newer backport for security or bug fixes, that it will be
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically presented with other updates.
+</I>
+No.
+as the update applet currently works it would show the backport as
+an update even if you dont have an earlier backport installed,
+defeating the purpose of having separate /updates vs /backports
+
+&gt;<i> This would require some modification to update tools, so it seems to me
+</I>&gt;<i> ok to open backports beforehand, with the understanding that the update
+</I>&gt;<i> tools would be changed to accommodate this.
+</I>
+Tools must work before the backports repo affect them.
+
+--
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+<PRE>AL13N skrev 27.6.2012 09:17:
+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 26 juni 2012 23:15:16 schreef Sander Lepik:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 26.06.2012 22:25, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * backports is supported as long as the rest of the release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Comments? Questions ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should change the wording from &quot;supported&quot; to &quot;tested&quot;. Currently
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we can &quot;support&quot; backport with a newer version of the backport. But i don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think it's a wise move to mark backports repo as an updates repo. So i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't see how we can _support_ backports. And QA has no time to deal with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates for backports (i mean to search for security holes in backports).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But this can be discussed tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i agree, this is only a wording change, but is imho substantially different
+</I>&gt;<i> from complete support, which is impossible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, it's supposed to be supported with security and bugfixes.
+
+The support is about _providing_ the fixed packages.
+
+As to wether people install them or not, it's sort of the same as 
+current /updates. we provide them and suggest them to be updated,
+but we dont force anyone to install the updates.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+<PRE>27.06.2012 13:29, Thomas Backlund kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Well, technically yes, but as the purpose of this &quot;carrot&quot; is exactly
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;if user want to get backports repos opened&quot; then &quot;user need to help
+</I>&gt;<i> fix #2317 (or help find someone that can)&quot; :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Point is that we are slowly killing QA, wich means at some point it will stop working -&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> we might as well stop doing releases.
+</I>I still don't understand where's the big problem if we enable release media for updates.
+It's not updated, so it shouldn't slow down updating too much. Hardware that can run DEs
+today should have no problems with release media enabled for updates. QA is proposing this
+solution again and again. Is this really that hard to change?
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+    <B>R&#233;mi Verschelde</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I still don't understand where's the big problem if we enable release media for updates.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not updated, so it shouldn't slow down updating too much. Hardware that can run DEs
+</I>&gt;<i> today should have no problems with release media enabled for updates. QA is proposing this
+</I>&gt;<i> solution again and again. Is this really that hard to change?
+</I>
+The _simplest_ solution (conceptually speaking) would be to use a
+condition which would enable release media for updates _if_ one or
+more of the dependancies cannot be found in the updates media.
+But I guess that it's not that simple in the code if it still has not
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+<PRE>On Sat, 23 Jun 2012, Anne Nicolas wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to propose this one:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
+</I>
+If we are removing upgrade from installer, we can maybe replace it with
+something in mgaapplet to allow offline upgrades, similar to what is
+doing Fedora :
+<A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates</A>
+
+mgaapplet could have an option to :
+- download all updated packages
+- reboot the system in special system update mode
+- snapshot filesystems (optionally)
+- install all updated packages
+- reboot on the upgraded system, or restore snapshot if upgrade failed
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> 2012/6/27 Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I still don't understand where's the big problem if we enable release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> media for updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's not updated, so it shouldn't slow down updating too much. Hardware
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that can run DEs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> today should have no problems with release media enabled for updates. QA
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is proposing this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> solution again and again. Is this really that hard to change?
+</I>
+Don't forget that upgrades work similarly.
+
+&gt;<i> The _simplest_ solution (conceptually speaking) would be to use a
+</I>&gt;<i> condition which would enable release media for updates _if_ one or
+</I>&gt;<i> more of the dependancies cannot be found in the updates media.
+</I>&gt;<i> But I guess that it's not that simple in the code if it still has not
+</I>&gt;<i> been considered otherwise than conceptually.
+</I>
+I think the simplest solution (code-wise) is to make sure that where-ever
+you're looking for dependencies, is to have strict requires so that it
+will always get the correct one.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/27 Sander Lepik&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I still don't understand where's the big problem if we enable release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> media for updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's not updated, so it shouldn't slow down updating too much. Hardware
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that can run DEs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> today should have no problems with release media enabled for updates. QA
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is proposing this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> solution again and again. Is this really that hard to change?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't forget that upgrades work similarly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The _simplest_ solution (conceptually speaking) would be to use a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> condition which would enable release media for updates _if_ one or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more of the dependancies cannot be found in the updates media.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But I guess that it's not that simple in the code if it still has not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> been considered otherwise than conceptually.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the simplest solution (code-wise) is to make sure that where-ever
+</I>&gt;<i> you're looking for dependencies, is to have strict requires so that it
+</I>&gt;<i> will always get the correct one.
+</I>
+
+That would have no effect. If the any recursive require was in Release 
+media, it would fail. It includes if a Tainted package recursively 
+requires something from Core Release.
+
+Plus if there is an added suggest that has recursive requires in Release 
+media then an upgrade will also fail, we recently found.
+
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+<PRE>Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> andre999 skrev 27.6.2012 10:47:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund skrev 26.6.2012 22:25:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And then the questions we need to decide on:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (substitute mga1/mga2 for any future release...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Do we support backporting package with higher version
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       than package in the following next mageia release has ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       (meaning if mga1 has v12, and mga2 has v14, is it ok
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        to backport v16 to mga1?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       * PRO: more uptodate package in backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       * CON: can cause trouble during distro upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       * imho both technically ok as long as we make sure
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>         its documented so people know what to expect.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. If one want to backport a package to mga1, does it mean
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       it must be backported to mga2 in order to preserve
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       upgrade path (unless already in mga2, depending on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       question 1)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And since we can continue this what/if discussion forever,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and thereby delay backports even more here is my take on it:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> my suggestions to decide on question 1 and 2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. backporting bigger version to mga1 than mga2 has is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       allowed as it will otherwise restrict backporting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       too much. (and since its leaf packages, it should
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       not break (too much)). Lets just make it clear to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       everyone using backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. we cant really require that as the one backporting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       the package to mga1 has to backport it to mga2 too
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       as he/she might not be using mga2 at all. if someone
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       wants/needs the backport for mga2, they need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       request that. (in reality, going by how backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       got handled in mdv most backports will end up in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       all supported releases anyway)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would favour adding the requirement that the dependancies of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backport must be available in the next release.  So that we would expect
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is esentially stating that we cant backport any bigger version to 
+</I>&gt;<i> mga2 /backports than mga3 will havein /release wich means when we hit 
+</I>&gt;<i> version freeze for mga3, it also freezes mga2 /backports...
+</I>
+I'm not following this point.
+What I mean is that if backport xx for mga1 requires yy version 12 in 
+mga1, but yy is version 13 in mga2, we would define the requires for yy 
+to accept versions 12 to 13 (or maybe wider).
+If the user updates to mga2, yy would be updated to version 13, and the 
+backport would still be expected to work (without being tested).  Of 
+course it is possible that it doesn't for some reason, as it hasn't been 
+tested.  But adding this requirement makes it much more likely to work.
+
+If there is a further update to mga3, the backport would be replaced by 
+what was the cauldron package, which would have the appropriate requires.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> that the backport would continue to function properly on an update to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the next release, but we don't require that it be tested, so it may not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -ENOTCOMPUTE
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;continue to function properly&quot; vs &quot;don't require that it be tested&quot;
+</I>
+See my explanation above.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> This is a relatively simple to check, so it won't have a big impact on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> QA, but should increase significantly the reliability of backports.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nothing is &quot;simple&quot; if it's supposed to &quot;continue to function properly&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> as it then must be tested.
+</I>
+My point is simply that if we ensure that the backport requires match 
+what is available in the next release, then it is more likely to work 
+than if we don't meet this condition.
+I'm not saying that it &quot;must&quot; continue to function properly, only that 
+it is more likely to.
+There are many cases where the available packages change, and it 
+required packages are no longer available, it could be more prudent to 
+deny the backport.
+Just a suggestion.
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we can agree on this as a start, we can open backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> soon so we get actual facts of how backports policy and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> process works.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Then we rewiew backports policy and process in ~6 months,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and adjust it if needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Comments? Questions ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would favour tagging backports as update repos, so that in the event
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of a newer backport for security or bug fixes, that it will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> automatically presented with other updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No.
+</I>&gt;<i> as the update applet currently works it would show the backport as
+</I>&gt;<i> an update even if you dont have an earlier backport installed,
+</I>&gt;<i> defeating the purpose of having separate /updates vs /backports
+</I>
+This is conditional on first modifying the update tools, as suggested next.
+A backport should only update an already installed backport.
+(Similarly for nonfree and tainted, if that is not already the case.)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This would require some modification to update tools, so it seems to me
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ok to open backports beforehand, with the understanding that the update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tools would be changed to accommodate this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tools must work before the backports repo affect them.
+</I>
+I agree that it would be very much better to modify the tools first.
+Just suggesting that as an alternative, if we are in a hurry to open 
+backports.
+
+&gt;<i> -- 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>On 27 June 2012 12:38, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can we have another talk of bug 2317? to find people willing to make a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> new patch that's quite more complex?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ideally bug 2317 should be fixed before backports opens
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, it's not related since you can't garanty that every user will get the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update prior to use backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So there's no need to rush...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> QA team told me that it would increase their workload dramatically, so i
+</I>&gt;<i> think there is need rush.
+</I>
+Again, there's no rush to change mgaapplet as anyway, not all users
+will use it.
+We cannot break those systems...
+We have to continue supporting those.
+
+Once a release is released, we've to support it.
+It's done.
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+build failures due to new tool chain?
+
+2012/6/27 Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund skrev 26.6.2012 23:48:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> GCC-4.7.1 was released upstream on 2012-06-14,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and it has now passed my builds and testing on both i586 and x86_64.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So it's time to push it to Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I will rebuild core packages:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gcc, binutils, glibc, kernel and kmod-* packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so you might want to wait with updating your local caldron install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> until all packages are available.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll post a follow-up when it's done.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It should now be safe to upgrade as the rebuilt core packages and kernels
+</I>&gt;<i> are now available ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+<PRE>andre999 skrev 27.6.2012 14:40:
+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 skrev 27.6.2012 10:47:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would favour adding the requirement that the dependancies of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backport must be available in the next release.  So that we would expect
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is esentially stating that we cant backport any bigger version to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mga2 /backports than mga3 will havein /release wich means when we hit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version freeze for mga3, it also freezes mga2 /backports...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not following this point.
+</I>&gt;<i> What I mean is that if backport xx for mga1 requires yy version 12 in
+</I>&gt;<i> mga1, but yy is version 13 in mga2, we would define the requires for yy
+</I>&gt;<i> to accept versions 12 to 13 (or maybe wider).
+</I>
+Point is what if you backport version 14 to mga1, and mga2 has version 
+13, then upgrade path breaks.
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+Not until we upgrade glibc first.
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+    <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> 
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+<PRE>Le mardi 26 juin 2012 22:25:10 Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> And since we can continue this what/if discussion forever,
+</I>&gt;<i> and thereby delay backports even more here is my take on it:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> my suggestions to decide on question 1 and 2:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. backporting bigger version to mga1 than mga2 has is
+</I>&gt;<i>     allowed as it will otherwise restrict backporting
+</I>&gt;<i>     too much. (and since its leaf packages, it should
+</I>&gt;<i>     not break (too much)). Lets just make it clear to
+</I>&gt;<i>     everyone using backports.
+</I>
+Ok for me, but would be better if before upgrade a warning is raised because 
+of backports that cannot be updated and could possibily prevent the upgrade of 
+other packages.
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. we cant really require that as the one backporting
+</I>&gt;<i>     the package to mga1 has to backport it to mga2 too
+</I>&gt;<i>     as he/she might not be using mga2 at all. if someone
+</I>&gt;<i>     wants/needs the backport for mga2, they need to
+</I>&gt;<i>     request that. (in reality, going by how backports
+</I>&gt;<i>     got handled in mdv most backports will end up in
+</I>&gt;<i>     all supported releases anyway)
+</I>
+Thinking of when upgrade tools will allow to take backports into account for 
+upgrade, I'd rather require that packages be backported to both mga2 and mga1 
+so that upgrade always works, but until then if people prefer your option I 
+won't speak against.
+
+Ok, and people join QA to test backports if you really want them ! :)
+
+Samuel
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Will there be rebuilding robot for cauldron so that we could detect
+</I>&gt;<i> build failures due to new tool chain?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Not yet.
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+In order to avoid a dual rebuild we will wait for GLIBC 2.16
+to land on cauldron too.
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+GLIBC 2.16 is scheduled to be released on first week of july.
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+The other thing I haven't decided on yet is if we should upgrade
+binutils to 2.22.52.0.4 (wich is a beta) to get better support
+for the new x32 &quot;arch&quot; or wait for 2.23 to be released...
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+Of course if someone want to set up a local rebuild set to test
+already, and report breakages already that's ok to...
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+    <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B> 
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+On 2012.06.27, at 13:58, Thomas Backlund wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Funda Wang skrev 27.6.2012 14:48:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Will there be rebuilding robot for cauldron so that we could detect
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> build failures due to new tool chain?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Not yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In order to avoid a dual rebuild we will wait for GLIBC 2.16
+</I>&gt;<i> to land on cauldron too.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> GLIBC 2.16 is scheduled to be released on first week of july.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The other thing I haven't decided on yet is if we should upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> binutils to 2.22.52.0.4 (wich is a beta) to get better support
+</I>&gt;<i> for the new x32 &quot;arch&quot; or wait for 2.23 to be released...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course if someone want to set up a local rebuild set to test
+</I>&gt;<i> already, and report breakages already that's ok to...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+As always happens with CUDA, new gcc breaks CUDA.
+I will post a patch in a bug report against CUDA.
+
+--
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt;     \               Software is like sex:
+                                         \         It's better when it's free
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+    <B>Jani V&#228;limaa</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:55:00AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - various new dependencies
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+</I>&gt;<i> If someone could package:
+</I>&gt;<i>   pwquality
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+</I>&gt;<i> for me.. appreciated :-)
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anne nicolas at 26/06/12 20:40 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Our meeting will happen tomorrow evening at 19hUTC. Here are the
+</I>&gt;<i> proposed topics:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - pending security updates
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mageia 3 features
+</I>&gt;<i> - Backports policy
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> For the 2 last topics please read following links *before* meeting:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016819.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016819.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016855.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016855.html</A>
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+Sadly I'm not around this evening. Please let me know before 5:30pm if
+there is anything you specifically want to ask me.
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+Cheers
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+Col
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+Il 27/06/2012 12:46, Thomas Backlund ha scritto:
+&gt;&gt;<i> I would favour tagging backports as update repos, so that in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> event of a newer backport for security or bug fixes, that it will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be automatically presented with other updates.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> No. as the update applet currently works it would show the backport
+</I>&gt;<i> as an update even if you dont have an earlier backport installed, 
+</I>&gt;<i> defeating the purpose of having separate /updates vs /backports
+</I>hmm, only if it is enabled as update by default. Again, let the user
+decide, he knows if he wants all the backports (and updated) or just
+cherry-peeked
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+|<i> Enable | Update |Type     |
+</I>|<i>   X    |        |Backport |
+</I>or
+|<i> Enable | Update |Type     |
+</I>|<i>   X    |    X   |Backport |
+</I>
+Usually &quot;Update&quot; is blocked, but once it was clickable by User
+I know we can change it by editing configuration files, I propose
+to let the user enable again it at least for backports...
+
+Angelo
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+    <B>andre999</B> 
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+<PRE>Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> andre999 skrev 27.6.2012 14:40:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 skrev 27.6.2012 10:47:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would favour adding the requirement that the dependancies of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backport must be available in the next release.  So that we would 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> expect
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is esentially stating that we cant backport any bigger version to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga2 /backports than mga3 will havein /release wich means when we hit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version freeze for mga3, it also freezes mga2 /backports...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not following this point.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What I mean is that if backport xx for mga1 requires yy version 12 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mga1, but yy is version 13 in mga2, we would define the requires for yy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to accept versions 12 to 13 (or maybe wider).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Point is what if you backport version 14 to mga1, and mga2 has version 
+</I>&gt;<i> 13, then upgrade path breaks.
+</I>
+No problem.  If the requirements of version 14 are present in mga2, then 
+the backport will (very likely) continue to work normally.  If the 
+versions of the required packages change, they will be updated with the 
+upgrade.  Since version 13 of mga2 is less than the version 14 of the 
+backport, it won't be installed.
+
+If by chance the newer versions of the required packages don't provide 
+all the functions required by the backport, which is possible, then the 
+backport will not function completely, or maybe not at all.  This is a 
+risk of the backport, but by restricting backports to those for which 
+required packages are present in subsequent releases, we lessen this 
+risk, relative to no such requirement.
+We could say that backports will &quot;likely but not necessarily&quot; work after 
+a release upgrade.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -- 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>-- 
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> glib/gtk+/nautilus/transmission (it shows me base 10)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that Windows is inconsistent. It sometimes shows base 10, sometimes
+</I>&gt;<i> base 2. Furthermore, the only reason they left it as base 2 was because
+</I>&gt;<i> other OSes did (was once in a MSDN blog). Suggesting Windows as
+</I>&gt;<i> comparison is pretty arbitrary.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In any case, my main point is that I don't see why development should be
+</I>&gt;<i> done within a distribution. E.g. you're advocating changing this, but
+</I>&gt;<i> this is basically repeating a discussion that has been held upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> various times.
+</I>
++1
+This cannot be applied until accepted upstream.
+You're basically forcing your preferences whereas current displaying is fine
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+<PRE>Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+&gt;<i> Our meeting will happen tomorrow evening at 19hUTC. Here are the
+</I>&gt;<i> proposed topics:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - pending security updates
+</I>
+There are a few things to talk about here.  I believe Anne wanted to talk
+about the fact that there's a ton of security updates assigned to QA.  QA is
+doing a good job with these, but they could always use more help.
+
+There are some other issues too.  There are a few security updates that have
+been pushed to QA that they have found some issues with, and I need help
+correcting these issues.  I don't want to make executive decisions about
+changing things in packages I don't know much about when I'm just trying to
+push security updates, and I could use some input from more experienced people.
+
+Bug 6379 - groff (groffer command in groff package needs groff-perl)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6379">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6379</A>
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+Bug 6469 - krb5 (problems with kadmin and/or krlogin)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469</A>
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+Bug 6544 - tftp (problems with xinetd service configuration)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6544">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6544</A>
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+Bug 6548 - firefox (gnome-python-gtkmozembed segfaulting)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6548">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6548</A>
+
+Finally, there are several other needed security updates for which no update
+has been built yet and I have CC'd other packagers, but in many cases haven't
+received any input on yet.
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+Thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer.
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+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 skrev 27.6.2012 14:40:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 skrev 27.6.2012 10:47:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would favour adding the requirement that the dependancies of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backport must be available in the next release.  So that we would 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> expect
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is esentially stating that we cant backport any bigger version to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga2 /backports than mga3 will havein /release wich means when we hit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version freeze for mga3, it also freezes mga2 /backports...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not following this point.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What I mean is that if backport xx for mga1 requires yy version 12 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga1, but yy is version 13 in mga2, we would define the requires for yy
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to accept versions 12 to 13 (or maybe wider).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Point is what if you backport version 14 to mga1, and mga2 has version 13, 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then upgrade path breaks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No problem.  If the requirements of version 14 are present in mga2, then 
+</I>&gt;<i> the backport will (very likely) continue to work normally.  If the versions 
+</I>&gt;<i> of the required packages change, they will be updated with the upgrade.  
+</I>&gt;<i> Since version 13 of mga2 is less than the version 14 of the backport, it 
+</I>&gt;<i> won't be installed.
+</I>
+There is no guaranty that requirements of version 14 mga1 backports are
+all available in mageia 2. If it is linked with libsomething.so.1, but
+mageia 2 only has libsomething.so.2, then there is a problem.
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+<PRE>On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, andre999 wrote:
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would favour tagging backports as update repos, so that in the event
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of a newer backport for security or bug fixes, that it will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> automatically presented with other updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as the update applet currently works it would show the backport as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an update even if you dont have an earlier backport installed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> defeating the purpose of having separate /updates vs /backports
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is conditional on first modifying the update tools, as suggested next.
+</I>&gt;<i> A backport should only update an already installed backport.
+</I>&gt;<i> (Similarly for nonfree and tainted, if that is not already the case.)
+</I>
+We should not change the behaviour of medias tagged as update repo. If
+we want a different behaviour for backports then we should tag those
+medias as backport, not update.
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 skrev 27.6.2012 14:40:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 skrev 27.6.2012 10:47:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would favour adding the requirement that the dependancies of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backport must be available in the next release.  So that we would
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> expect
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>              
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is esentially stating that we cant backport any bigger version to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga2 /backports than mga3 will havein /release wich means when we hit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version freeze for mga3, it also freezes mga2 /backports...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not following this point.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What I mean is that if backport xx for mga1 requires yy version 12 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga1, but yy is version 13 in mga2, we would define the requires for yy
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to accept versions 12 to 13 (or maybe wider).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Point is what if you backport version 14 to mga1, and mga2 has version 13,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> then upgrade path breaks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No problem.  If the requirements of version 14 are present in mga2, then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the backport will (very likely) continue to work normally.  If the versions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the required packages change, they will be updated with the upgrade.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since version 13 of mga2 is less than the version 14 of the backport, it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> won't be installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> There is no guaranty that requirements of version 14 mga1 backports are
+</I>&gt;<i> all available in mageia 2. If it is linked with libsomething.so.1, but
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia 2 only has libsomething.so.2, then there is a problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>That was my point.
+I was suggesting that it be required that backport requires be 
+compatible with newer releases.
+In your example, cauldron would probably require the libsomething.so.2, 
+so if the backport requires could be adjusted to work with 
+libsomething.so.1, we would keep the requires compatible with 
+libsomething.so.2.  If that isn't possible, then it wouldn't be accepted.
+I'm no expert of course, but it seems to me that it would be generally 
+possible as long as there weren't important code changes made to make 
+the backport work.
+So it would largely be a question of appropriately adjusting the 
+specified requires.
+
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+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 27 juin 2012 16:08:10 nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I would favour tagging backports as update repos, so that in the event
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; of a newer backport for security or bug fixes, that it will be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; automatically presented with other updates.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; No.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; as the update applet currently works it would show the backport as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; an update even if you dont have an earlier backport installed,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; defeating the purpose of having separate /updates vs /backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is conditional on first modifying the update tools, as suggested
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; next.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A backport should only update an already installed backport.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (Similarly for nonfree and tainted, if that is not already the case.)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We should not change the behaviour of medias tagged as update repo. If
+</I>&gt;<i> we want a different behaviour for backports then we should tag those
+</I>&gt;<i> medias as backport, not update.
+</I>
+Fully agreed
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+&gt;<i> On 27.06.2012 00:16, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:55:00AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - various new dependencies
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If someone could package:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   pwquality
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for me.. appreciated :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Imported.
+</I>
+Thanks! For some reason gnome-disk-utility still doesn't build, cannot
+link against pwquality, don't get why... no time atm to figure it out.
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+pwquality is also needed for gnome-control-center, but that one is
+complicated upgrade. First need new systemd, evolution stuff, etc.
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 03:53:01PM +0300, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 27.06.2012 00:16, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:55:00AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - various new dependencies
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If someone could package:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   pwquality
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for me.. appreciated :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Imported.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks! For some reason gnome-disk-utility still doesn't build, cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> link against pwquality, don't get why... no time atm to figure it out.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Yes, I noticed and I'm on it. I'll push gnome-disk-utility too after
+I've fixed pwquality issue.
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would favour tagging backports as update repos, so that in the event
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of a newer backport for security or bug fixes, that it will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> automatically presented with other updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as the update applet currently works it would show the backport as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> an update even if you dont have an earlier backport installed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> defeating the purpose of having separate /updates vs /backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is conditional on first modifying the update tools, as suggested next.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A backport should only update an already installed backport.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Similarly for nonfree and tainted, if that is not already the case.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> We should not change the behaviour of medias tagged as update repo. If
+</I>&gt;<i> we want a different behaviour for backports then we should tag those
+</I>&gt;<i> medias as backport, not update.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+The idea is, once the tools are appropriately adjusted, to tag the 
+backport repos as update media, as in rpmdrake.  But alternately we 
+could get the update tools to automatically treat backport repos as 
+update media for backports.
+The concept is that backports would be presented for update along with 
+other updates.  Backport updates would only replace backports, but 
+backports could be replaced by regular updates, if the version is equal 
+or higher.
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+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 skrev 27.6.2012 14:40:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 skrev 27.6.2012 10:47:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would favour adding the requirement that the dependancies of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backport must be available in the next release.  So that we would
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> expect
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>              
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is esentially stating that we cant backport any bigger version to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga2 /backports than mga3 will havein /release wich means when we hit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version freeze for mga3, it also freezes mga2 /backports...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not following this point.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What I mean is that if backport xx for mga1 requires yy version 12 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga1, but yy is version 13 in mga2, we would define the requires for yy
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to accept versions 12 to 13 (or maybe wider).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Point is what if you backport version 14 to mga1, and mga2 has version 13,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> then upgrade path breaks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No problem.  If the requirements of version 14 are present in mga2, then
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the backport will (very likely) continue to work normally.  If the versions
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of the required packages change, they will be updated with the upgrade.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Since version 13 of mga2 is less than the version 14 of the backport, it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> won't be installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is no guaranty that requirements of version 14 mga1 backports are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all available in mageia 2. If it is linked with libsomething.so.1, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia 2 only has libsomething.so.2, then there is a problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;<i> That was my point.
+</I>&gt;<i> I was suggesting that it be required that backport requires be compatible 
+</I>&gt;<i> with newer releases.
+</I>
+And how do you check that it is compatible, without testing ? And how do
+you test that it will be compatible with a newer release that is not yet
+released ?
+
+Maybe we can also require that backports are bugfree, so we don't have
+to manage backport updates.
+
+&gt;<i> In your example, cauldron would probably require the libsomething.so.2, so 
+</I>&gt;<i> if the backport requires could be adjusted to work with libsomething.so.1, 
+</I>&gt;<i> we would keep the requires compatible with libsomething.so.2.  If that 
+</I>&gt;<i> isn't possible, then it wouldn't be accepted.
+</I>
+We cannot link a program with both libsomething.so.1 and
+libsomething.so.2.
+
+&gt;<i> I'm no expert of course, but it seems to me that it would be generally 
+</I>&gt;<i> possible as long as there weren't important code changes made to make the 
+</I>&gt;<i> backport work.
+</I>&gt;<i> So it would largely be a question of appropriately adjusting the specified 
+</I>&gt;<i> requires.
+</I>
+A lot of requires are generated automatically, we cannot change them
+(and changing them would probably be wrong). And a lot of requires are
+not versionned, but implicitly require the version available in the
+same mageia release, without any guaranty that it works with a different
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+Il 27/06/2012 15:41, nicolas vigier ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> There is no guaranty that requirements of version 14 mga1 backports
+</I>&gt;<i> are all available in mageia 2. If it is linked with
+</I>&gt;<i> libsomething.so.1, but mageia 2 only has libsomething.so.2, then
+</I>&gt;<i> there is a problem.
+</I>Our library policy allows both libraries on the system, so even if not
+upgradable well the system should continue working anyway... Or
+upgrading, packages will be removed cause of their dependencies...
+
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+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would favour tagging backports as update repos, so that in the event
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of a newer backport for security or bug fixes, that it will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> automatically presented with other updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as the update applet currently works it would show the backport as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> an update even if you dont have an earlier backport installed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> defeating the purpose of having separate /updates vs /backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is conditional on first modifying the update tools, as suggested next.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A backport should only update an already installed backport.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (Similarly for nonfree and tainted, if that is not already the case.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We should not change the behaviour of medias tagged as update repo. If
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we want a different behaviour for backports then we should tag those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> medias as backport, not update.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The idea is, once the tools are appropriately adjusted, to tag the backport 
+</I>&gt;<i> repos as update media, as in rpmdrake.  But alternately we could get the 
+</I>&gt;<i> update tools to automatically treat backport repos as update media for 
+</I>&gt;<i> backports.
+</I>
+backports are not updates, why should we tag them as update ?
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> On 27 June 2012 12:38, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can we have another talk of bug 2317? to find people willing to make a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> new patch that's quite more complex?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ideally bug 2317 should be fixed before backports opens
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No, it's not related since you can't garanty that every user will get
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update prior to use backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So there's no need to rush...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> QA team told me that it would increase their workload dramatically, so i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think there is need rush.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Again, there's no rush to change mgaapplet as anyway, not all users
+</I>&gt;<i> will use it.
+</I>&gt;<i> We cannot break those systems...
+</I>&gt;<i> We have to continue supporting those.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once a release is released, we've to support it.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+i was under the impression that we would be fixing this for both mgaapplet
+and urpmi --update (by changing perl-urpm; like my patch does)
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+&gt;<i> On 27.06.2012 17:40, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 03:53:01PM +0300, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 27.06.2012 00:16, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:55:00AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - various new dependencies
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If someone could package:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   pwquality
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for me.. appreciated :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Imported.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks! For some reason gnome-disk-utility still doesn't build, cannot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> link against pwquality, don't get why... no time atm to figure it out.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I noticed and I'm on it. I'll push gnome-disk-utility too after
+</I>&gt;<i> I've fixed pwquality issue.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Fixed pwquality and pushed gnome-disk-utility.
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+BTW, there's a missing semicolon in gnome-disk-image-mounter.desktop:
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/rejected/cauldron/core/release/20120627150640.wally.valstar.758.youri">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/rejected/cauldron/core/release/20120627150640.wally.valstar.758.youri</A>
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I thought they were planning on signing all the stuff after grub2 as well?
+</I>
+They are. The Secure Boot feature requires the kernel and all drivers to be signed.
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I thought they were planning on signing all the stuff after grub2 as well?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I have no trouble having signed bootloader. but i would prefer it to be from a 
+</I>&gt;<i> completely free CA. ie: NOT from microsoft.
+</I>
+Then you need to convince all the hardware manufacturers to put your key
+in their hardware, as explained in the blogpost. Seems really unlikely
+to happen.
+
+&gt;<i> above signing from microsoft, I would even prefer to have a documentation that 
+</I>&gt;<i> requests to disable Secure Boot, then generate your own key and adding that, 
+</I>&gt;<i> and then setting up Secure Boot again, with your own personal signed stuff.
+</I>
+Thought disabling secure boot means first booting?
+
+&gt;<i> of course, if there was an independant org that had it's CA in all hardware, 
+</I>&gt;<i> and signed all free OSes, that would be alot better.
+</I>
+There is none.
+
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+    <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 27 juin 2012 08:16, &quot;Marja van Waes&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 27/06/2012 01:38, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have got an idea to fix this bug with a new drak tool (DrakSpell?). It
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would be an assistant with a list of all available languages with all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their variants to select and install. And the trick: it will install a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package (like hunspell-en) and remove (rm -f) the unselected dicts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (en_CA, en_GB ...).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This seems to be against rules.. but would be a solution. And this seems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to be much better than producing (and maintaining!) 1000 packages with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> single dicts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sounds great, I'm willing to test :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a workaround for now, can we just remove all
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/hunspell/*.aff
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/hunspell/*.dic
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> except for the ones we want to keep?
+</I>
+I would like to delete these disctionnaries but i do nt know how, i have 16
+variet&#233;s of english and i found only a couple of files for english. I think
+en and en_ca , i am not 100% sure because i am not at home now.
+However, if there is a solution to delete manualy the dictionnaries , it is
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 skrev 27.6.2012 14:40:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>              
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 skrev 27.6.2012 10:47:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>                
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would favour adding the requirement that the dependancies of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backport must be available in the next release.  So that we would
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> expect
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>                  
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is esentially stating that we cant backport any bigger version to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga2 /backports than mga3 will havein /release wich means when we hit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version freeze for mga3, it also freezes mga2 /backports...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>                
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not following this point.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What I mean is that if backport xx for mga1 requires yy version 12 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga1, but yy is version 13 in mga2, we would define the requires for yy
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to accept versions 12 to 13 (or maybe wider).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>              
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Point is what if you backport version 14 to mga1, and mga2 has version 13,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> then upgrade path breaks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No problem.  If the requirements of version 14 are present in mga2, then
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the backport will (very likely) continue to work normally.  If the versions
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of the required packages change, they will be updated with the upgrade.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Since version 13 of mga2 is less than the version 14 of the backport, it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> won't be installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There is no guaranty that requirements of version 14 mga1 backports are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> all available in mageia 2. If it is linked with libsomething.so.1, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mageia 2 only has libsomething.so.2, then there is a problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That was my point.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was suggesting that it be required that backport requires be compatible
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with newer releases.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> And how do you check that it is compatible, without testing ? And how do
+</I>&gt;<i> you test that it will be compatible with a newer release that is not yet
+</I>&gt;<i> released ?
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+You split in the middle of the point.  (The above sentence could have 
+been better worded.)
+See below.
+&gt;<i> Maybe we can also require that backports are bugfree, so we don't have
+</I>&gt;<i> to manage backport updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+That would be nice, if you can see how to do it :D
+&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In your example, cauldron would probably require the libsomething.so.2, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if the backport requires could be adjusted to work with libsomething.so.1,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we would keep the requires compatible with libsomething.so.2.  If that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> isn't possible, then it wouldn't be accepted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> We cannot link a program with both libsomething.so.1 and
+</I>&gt;<i> libsomething.so.2.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+If the spec file requires cannot be adjusted to accept linking with 
+whichever of the 2 is available, then in that case the backport wouldn't 
+be accepted - if my suggested restriction is accepted.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> I'm no expert of course, but it seems to me that it would be generally
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> possible as long as there weren't important code changes made to make the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backport work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So it would largely be a question of appropriately adjusting the specified
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> requires.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> A lot of requires are generated automatically, we cannot change them
+</I>&gt;<i> (and changing them would probably be wrong). And a lot of requires are
+</I>&gt;<i> not versionned, but implicitly require the version available in the
+</I>&gt;<i> same mageia release, without any guaranty that it works with a different
+</I>&gt;<i> version.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+You mean generated automatically in the spec file ?  Surprising.
+If the require isn't versioned, since it would work in cauldron, and 
+also works in the backport release, then I would expect that it would 
+work in interim releases.  If it doesn't, that is in the risk of a backport.
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+Don't forget, my suggestion is to increase the _probability_ that a 
+backport will work in interim releases.  Not to garantee that it will.
+In my experience, it is essentially the unavailability of required 
+packages that makes a package from an older release stop working.  A 
+backport would fit in this mold, except it will be a variation of what 
+is already working in cauldron.
+Collectively we may think it is not worth the increased reliability of 
+backports, but I think that for little effort we see an important gain.
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
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+<PRE>On 27/06/2012 19:13, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 27 juin 2012 08:16, &quot;Marja van Waes&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; On 27/06/2012 01:38, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;&gt; Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;&gt; I have got an idea to fix this bug with a new drak tool (DrakSpell?). It
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;&gt; would be an assistant with a list of all available languages with all
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;&gt; their variants to select and install. And the trick: it will install a
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;&gt; package (like hunspell-en) and remove (rm -f) the unselected dicts
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;&gt; (en_CA, en_GB ...).
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;&gt; This seems to be against rules.. but would be a solution. And this seems
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;&gt; to be much better than producing (and maintaining!) 1000 packages with
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;&gt; single dicts.
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;&gt; What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; Sounds great, I'm willing to test :)
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; As a workaround for now, can we just remove all
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; /usr/share/hunspell/*.aff
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; /usr/share/hunspell/*.dic
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  &gt; except for the ones we want to keep?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to delete these disctionnaries but i do nt know how, i have
+</I>&gt;<i> 16 variet&#233;s of english and i found only a couple of files for english. I
+</I>&gt;<i> think en and en_ca , i am not 100% sure because i am not at home now.
+</I>&gt;<i> However, if there is a solution to delete manualy the dictionnaries , it
+</I>&gt;<i> is fine for me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Firefox seems to get all the languages it sees from /usr/share/hunspell/
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+It is mostly links in that folder, the ones I had for English are shown 
+below. I just removed a lot of such links, and after restarting Firefox, 
+my list of languages to choose from was much shorter. All the removed 
+ones have disappeared. I haven't restarted Thunderbird yet, so I don't 
+know whether the effect will be the same there
+
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_AG.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_AG.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_AU.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_AU.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_BS.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_BS.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_BW.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_BW.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_BZ.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_BZ.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    3115 mars  20 02:30 en_CA.aff
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  535896 mars  20 02:30 en_CA.dic
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_DK.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_DK.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   27471 mars  20 02:29 en_GB.aff
+-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  527336 mars  20 02:29 en_GB.dic
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_GH.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_GH.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_HK.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_HK.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_IE.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_IE.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_IN.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_IN.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_JM.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_JM.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_NA.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_NA.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_NG.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_NG.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_NZ.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_NZ.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
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+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_PH.dic -&gt; en_US.dic
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_SG.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_SG.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_TT.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_TT.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
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+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_ZA.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_ZA.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_ZW.aff -&gt; en_GB.aff
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       9 mai   23 17:50 en_ZW.dic -&gt; en_GB.dic
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In your example, cauldron would probably require the libsomething.so.2, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if the backport requires could be adjusted to work with libsomething.so.1,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we would keep the requires compatible with libsomething.so.2.  If that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> isn't possible, then it wouldn't be accepted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We cannot link a program with both libsomething.so.1 and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libsomething.so.2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the spec file requires cannot be adjusted to accept linking with 
+</I>&gt;<i> whichever of the 2 is available, then in that case the backport wouldn't be 
+</I>&gt;<i> accepted - if my suggested restriction is accepted.
+</I>
+It's not adjusted in the spec file, it's built against the version that
+is available in the repository when building the package, and require is
+added automatically.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm no expert of course, but it seems to me that it would be generally
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> possible as long as there weren't important code changes made to make the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backport work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So it would largely be a question of appropriately adjusting the specified
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> requires.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A lot of requires are generated automatically, we cannot change them
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (and changing them would probably be wrong). And a lot of requires are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not versionned, but implicitly require the version available in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> same mageia release, without any guaranty that it works with a different
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You mean generated automatically in the spec file ?  Surprising.
+</I>
+Generated by rpm find-requires scripts.
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+But discussing this if you don't know the basic functionning of rpm is a
+waste of time, so end of discussion for me.
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would favour tagging backports as update repos, so that in the event
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of a newer backport for security or bug fixes, that it will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> automatically presented with other updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>              
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as the update applet currently works it would show the backport as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> an update even if you dont have an earlier backport installed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> defeating the purpose of having separate /updates vs /backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is conditional on first modifying the update tools, as suggested next.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A backport should only update an already installed backport.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (Similarly for nonfree and tainted, if that is not already the case.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We should not change the behaviour of medias tagged as update repo. If
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we want a different behaviour for backports then we should tag those
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> medias as backport, not update.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is, once the tools are appropriately adjusted, to tag the backport
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repos as update media, as in rpmdrake.  But alternately we could get the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update tools to automatically treat backport repos as update media for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> backports are not updates, why should we tag them as update ?
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>If you are talking about the packages themselves, of course _backports 
+packages_ should be tagged as backports, and regular update packages as 
+updates.
+However talking about _backport repos_, exactly how we tag them is 
+arbitrary.
+Although obviously backports are updates relative to the initial release 
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 27/06/2012 19:13, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to delete these disctionnaries but i do nt know how, i have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 16 variet&#233;s of english and i found only a couple of files for english. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think en and en_ca , i am not 100% sure because i am not at home now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, if there is a solution to delete manualy the dictionnaries , it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is fine for me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Firefox seems to get all the languages it sees from /usr/share/hunspell/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is mostly links in that folder
+</I>
+&gt;<i> I just removed a lot of such links, and after restarting Firefox,
+</I>&gt;<i> my list of languages to choose from was much shorter. All the removed
+</I>&gt;<i> ones have disappeared. I haven't restarted Thunderbird yet, so I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> know whether the effect will be the same there
+</I>
+The effect is the same in TB: after removing all links in that folder 
+and after restarting Thunderbird, I have only 13 languages instead of 
+176 &quot;languages&quot; to choose from.
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+I'm happy :-D
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+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would favour tagging backports as update repos, so that in the event
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of a newer backport for security or bug fixes, that it will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> automatically presented with other updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>              
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as the update applet currently works it would show the backport as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> an update even if you dont have an earlier backport installed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> defeating the purpose of having separate /updates vs /backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is conditional on first modifying the update tools, as suggested next.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A backport should only update an already installed backport.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (Similarly for nonfree and tainted, if that is not already the case.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We should not change the behaviour of medias tagged as update repo. If
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we want a different behaviour for backports then we should tag those
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> medias as backport, not update.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is, once the tools are appropriately adjusted, to tag the backport
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> repos as update media, as in rpmdrake.  But alternately we could get the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update tools to automatically treat backport repos as update media for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports are not updates, why should we tag them as update ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are talking about the packages themselves, of course _backports 
+</I>&gt;<i> packages_ should be tagged as backports, and regular update packages as 
+</I>&gt;<i> updates.
+</I>
+packages themselves are not tagged as backports or updates.
+
+&gt;<i> However talking about _backport repos_, exactly how we tag them is 
+</I>&gt;<i> arbitrary.
+</I>&gt;<i> Although obviously backports are updates relative to the initial release in 
+</I>&gt;<i> question, so it is not unreasonable to tag the backport repos as updates.
+</I>
+backports and updates repos need to be handled differently by
+urpmi/rpmdrake. So they should be tagged differently. Is it so hard to
+understand ?
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would favour tagging backports as update repos, so that in the event
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of a newer backport for security or bug fixes, that it will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> automatically presented with other updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>                  
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as the update applet currently works it would show the backport as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> an update even if you dont have an earlier backport installed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> defeating the purpose of having separate /updates vs /backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>                
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is conditional on first modifying the update tools, as suggested next.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A backport should only update an already installed backport.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (Similarly for nonfree and tainted, if that is not already the case.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>              
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We should not change the behaviour of medias tagged as update repo. If
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we want a different behaviour for backports then we should tag those
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> medias as backport, not update.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>            
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is, once the tools are appropriately adjusted, to tag the backport
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> repos as update media, as in rpmdrake.  But alternately we could get the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update tools to automatically treat backport repos as update media for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backports are not updates, why should we tag them as update ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you are talking about the packages themselves, of course _backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages_ should be tagged as backports, and regular update packages as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> packages themselves are not tagged as backports or updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However talking about _backport repos_, exactly how we tag them is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> arbitrary.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Although obviously backports are updates relative to the initial release in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> question, so it is not unreasonable to tag the backport repos as updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> backports and updates repos need to be handled differently by
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi/rpmdrake. So they should be tagged differently. Is it so hard to
+</I>&gt;<i> understand ?
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+Backport packages and update packages need to be handled differently.
+This can be more reliably dealt with by tagging the backport packages 
+themselves.
+As a user could copy the backport to any location, it won't necessarily 
+be installed from a backport repo.
+Which I and others have already suggested numerous times in previous 
+threads.
+By tagging the package in the name (someone suggested using &quot;bp&quot;), it 
+could be readily determined by any user that a package is a backport.
+My suggestion of tagging the backport repos as updates was recognizing 
+an obvious fact, which apparently is used by installer tools.  
+(Otherwise why bother ?)
+And indeed, backports will be used as updates, albeit only to already 
+installed backports.
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 08:35:35AM +0200, AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I thought they were planning on signing all the stuff after grub2 as well?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have no trouble having signed bootloader. but i would prefer it to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from a completely free CA. ie: NOT from microsoft.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Then you need to convince all the hardware manufacturers to put your key
+</I>&gt;<i> in their hardware, as explained in the blogpost. Seems really unlikely
+</I>&gt;<i> to happen.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; above signing from microsoft, I would even prefer to have a documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that requests to disable Secure Boot, then generate your own key and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; adding that, and then setting up Secure Boot again, with your own
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; personal signed stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thought disabling secure boot means first booting?
+</I>
+there's likely a bios setting or jumper than can disable secure boot for 
+desktops.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; of course, if there was an independant org that had it's CA in all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hardware, and signed all free OSes, that would be alot better.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> There is none.
+</I>
+yes, i don't think there is one, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. And 
+it's ideally the perfect way for every distro.
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+if RH and Canonical both had worked together with some independant entity 
+(like cacert.org ) it could've been handled alot better.
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+Il 27/06/2012 20:27, andre999 ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> By tagging the package in the name (someone suggested using &quot;bp&quot;),
+</I>&gt;<i> it could be readily determined by any user that a package is a
+</I>&gt;<i> backport.
+</I>And as i told already, changing the name is not a good thing.
+because we need to manage the update (yes *update*) from the
+installed version because foo-1.0 is not upgraded by bp-foo.1.1 just
+because it has 1.1 into the name...
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+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We have reviewed this morning with ennael all feature proposal submitted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on the wiki. You can find the results on this page :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The features policy didn't list &quot;Resources&quot; as one of the required sections:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#Criteria_used_to_choose_features">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#Criteria_used_to_choose_features</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Which is probably why it was left out on a lot of proposals including mine.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Resources&quot; is also a strange, unintuitive name for that section.
+</I>
+Yes, maybe the resources part was not clear enough. It should list the
+name of people who plan to be involved in the feature. The goal is to
+list only features which have good chances to be done, so it needs to
+have enough people who plans to be involved in that feature.
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> For mine, it was obvious without explicitly listing it, and the comment here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> makes it pretty clear it was obvious.  Regardless, I have added it now:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP</A>
+</I>
+So what is still missing is someone to implement the drakx changes ? Or
+you think you can do that part too ?
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I've just submitted systemd v185 to updates_testing.
+</I>
+It boots! :P
+
+Following is a bit weird:
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+$ uptime
+ 21:30:07 up 8 min,  1 user,  load average: 2.53, 2.85, 1.61
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+Bootup is not yet finished. Please try again later.
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+Never really tried making a plot quickly after booting, but 8min should
+be enough to have every service started.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Il 27/06/2012 20:27, andre999 ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> By tagging the package in the name (someone suggested using &quot;bp&quot;),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it could be readily determined by any user that a package is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backport.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> And as i told already, changing the name is not a good thing.
+</I>&gt;<i> because we need to manage the update (yes *update*) from the
+</I>&gt;<i> installed version because foo-1.0 is not upgraded by bp-foo.1.1 just
+</I>&gt;<i> because it has 1.1 into the name...
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+I meant in the file name of the package, in the revision/subversion 
+field would be good.
+Not the package name part.
+&gt;<i> Angelo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
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+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> - various new dependencies
+</I>
+Another package request:
+colord-gtk-0.1.22.tar.xz
+<A HREF="http://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/releases/">http://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/releases/</A>
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+2. mailing list for backport announce (???)
+3. add warning when activating backports in drakrpm-edit-media for mga1 and 
+mga2 as updates, this needs to have a checkbox that it doesn't warn anymore. 
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+4. we need to ensure the upgrade works even if it fails for the installed 
+backported packages. The user could be warned when this happens (???)
+5. bug 2317 MUST be fixed before backports are opened (???)
+6. we need to add support for automatic updates of installed backports either 
+in mgaapplet, or a new one. (???)
+7. sysadmin will likely need to open things up (???)
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+All these needs to be done. At the very least need people who know the 
+existing code. and preferably some more who want to learn.
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+Personally, i'm willing to help, but i can't do it without help from people 
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+&gt;<i> Never really tried making a plot quickly after booting, but 8min should
+</I>&gt;<i> be enough to have every service started.
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+Due to mysqld/mariadb not starting
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+Hi,
+I'm back to this subject, because, as you probably know, the
+proposal[1] has been accepted[2] and has to be merged with mine[3]
+and discussed a bit to understand what we have to do and who can help.
+
+Il 13/06/2012 14:35, Steven Tucker ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> This proposal may be a bit different to the several others you
+</I>&gt;<i> have seen in that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done.
+</I>&gt;<i> The Ui layer is provided by libYui and friends, and the logic is
+</I>&gt;<i> already there in mcc. With the perl bindings to libYui the effort
+</I>&gt;<i> is no where near as large as a rewrite, which I imagine the several
+</I>&gt;<i> other proposals were. I would prefer it all to be written in C++,
+</I>&gt;<i> but that would be more work than adapting the current perl code, so
+</I>&gt;<i> you see it's not just pie in the sky, I have actually put some
+</I>&gt;<i> thought into it.
+</I>
+In a first read i understood the idea was to provide a new gui
+abstraction layer, and you told me the suggested libYui library
+is written in C++ with some script bindings (one for all perl) and
+since I'm not a perl programmer and i know C++ and QT (something on GTk
+also) i could help.
+So should i assume you want to rewrite all?
+Steven, can you please point me and other potential contributors
+to your plans?
+Planning is also needed to our proposal to be definitely accepted :)
+
+I don't have a lot of spare time, but i will help as much as possible.
+
+Matteo Pasotti is adding libyui to mageia repository so we could
+start using it, I do also believe he's going to help us as well :)
+
+Let's start this new adventure...
+
+Cheers,
+	Angelo
+
+
+[1] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc</A>
+[2] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
+[3] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview</A>
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+    <B>Steven Tucker</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi Angelo,
+
+great to see you put your hand up.
+My position at the moment, is to get through this week at work, then 
+starting Monday begin work on this project.
+The first step is to port the relevant libYui and related libraries 
+which is what I had planned to work on next week, but if Matteo is 
+working on this then that will work out great (I am just an apprentice 
+with only 2 packages to date, so perhaps not the best person for that job).
+
+To begin with, I planned to make a basic proof of concept Control 
+Centre, so just simply a copy of the current main window of MCC but 
+without any functionality, just to see it work across the widget sets. 
+Then work on a single module to work out some standards and 
+documentation, how to make it as easy as possible for others to come 
+along and add a module.
+
+I understand the desire to have everything in the one language (and the 
+obvious choice is perl due to inertia), however I am not personally 
+against individual modules being in python/perl/C++, the reason is that 
+there are people who potentially would add a module but don't want to 
+use a language they are not familiar with and would only use for that 
+module and nothing else. So I guess I would like to give options so that 
+entry to contribution is as easy as it can be. This all started for me 
+when I looked into writing a module I wanted but found very little 
+documentation, and realised it would be more work to make my module 
+available in curses as well at gtk.
+
+As far as other contributors, I only have one willing to dive into code, 
+but it is very convenient as we work together (We just finished setting 
+up our new Mageia Cluster and so now are ready for more Mageia goodness 
+:<i>-P  ) so a very small group at the moment, but to be honest, I think 
+</I>that is probably a good thing in the early stages.
+
+As I said, I have to get through this week at work first, a week of 
+deadlines, but then I can start writing some more concrete plans, and 
+start playing with the code.
+
+I'll make contact again in a few days when I am ready to get going.
+
+Cheers
+
+Tuxta
+
+On 28/06/12 08:02, Angelo Naselli wrote:
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm back to this subject, because, as you probably know, the
+</I>&gt;<i> proposal[1] has been accepted[2] and has to be merged with mine[3]
+</I>&gt;<i> and discussed a bit to understand what we have to do and who can help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Il 13/06/2012 14:35, Steven Tucker ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This proposal may be a bit different to the several others you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have seen in that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The Ui layer is provided by libYui and friends, and the logic is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> already there in mcc. With the perl bindings to libYui the effort
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is no where near as large as a rewrite, which I imagine the several
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other proposals were. I would prefer it all to be written in C++,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but that would be more work than adapting the current perl code, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you see it's not just pie in the sky, I have actually put some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thought into it.
+</I>&gt;<i> In a first read i understood the idea was to provide a new gui
+</I>&gt;<i> abstraction layer, and you told me the suggested libYui library
+</I>&gt;<i> is written in C++ with some script bindings (one for all perl) and
+</I>&gt;<i> since I'm not a perl programmer and i know C++ and QT (something on GTk
+</I>&gt;<i> also) i could help.
+</I>&gt;<i> So should i assume you want to rewrite all?
+</I>&gt;<i> Steven, can you please point me and other potential contributors
+</I>&gt;<i> to your plans?
+</I>&gt;<i> Planning is also needed to our proposal to be definitely accepted :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't have a lot of spare time, but i will help as much as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Matteo Pasotti is adding libyui to mageia repository so we could
+</I>&gt;<i> start using it, I do also believe he's going to help us as well :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's start this new adventure...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> 	Angelo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> [2] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> [3] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview</A>
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of&quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; &#160;(mga#3791)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oups, why that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As far as I'm concerned no deadkeys is the default for German users and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that's good!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any reasons for this change?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Call it &quot;Competitive analysis&quot; if you want. Keyboards comes with those
+</I>&gt;<i> little keys that are meant to produce accented characters in
+</I>&gt;<i> combination with regular letters, and this how it works on Windows,
+</I>&gt;<i> the platform most users will migrate from, and also on Mac OS X.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regular users don't have any use of stand-alone-accent-characters. And
+</I>&gt;<i> even with deadkeys it is easy to produce the standalone accent by just
+</I>&gt;<i> pressing the key twice (so you can get backticks easily).
+</I>&gt;<i> If you're a programmer and are using a nodeadkeys variant for that
+</I>&gt;<i> reason, you're not the target population of a suggested default. (If
+</I>&gt;<i> you know what is meant with &quot;deadkeys&quot; and &quot;nodeadkeys&quot;, you're not in
+</I>&gt;<i> target of that dialog, and have the knowledge to not accept the
+</I>&gt;<i> default, but choose the nodeadkeys variant that is listed right next
+</I>&gt;<i> to the regular variant).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The variant with deadkeys is called &quot;German&quot; without any addition for
+</I>&gt;<i> a reason. If nodeadkeys were the expected/more common choice, then it
+</I>&gt;<i> would be &quot;German (international)&quot; or &quot;German (deadkeys)&quot;, like it is
+</I>&gt;<i> the case for the US-variants.
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> if RH and Canonical both had worked together with some independant entity 
+</I>&gt;<i> (like cacert.org ) it could've been handled alot better.
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+RedHat explored that idea and turned it down, because no one was viling to do it, and doing it them selves was hugely expensive.
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+<A HREF="http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html">http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html</A>
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+&quot;An alternative was producing some sort of overall Linux key. It turns out that this is also difficult, since it would mean finding an entity who was willing to take responsibility for managing signing or key distribution. That means having the ability to keep the root key absolutely secure and perform adequate validation of people asking for signing. That's expensive. Like millions of dollars expensive. It would also take a lot of time to set up, and that's not really time we had. And, finally, nobody was jumping at the opportunity to volunteer. So no generic Linux key.&quot;
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> However talking about _backport repos_, exactly how we tag them is arbitrary.
+</I>
+The fact that this stirs a huge conversation surely serves to show that it is Not arbitrarely how we tag them.
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+&gt;<i> Although obviously backports are updates relative to the initial release 
+</I>&gt;<i> in question, so it is not unreasonable to tag the backport repos as updates.
+</I>
+No, it is Not obvious.
+It is called Backports for a reason. It is software that is not part of the release, and is to be treated as experimental/beta software, as it could wery well break your system if you don't know what you are doing.
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Fwd%3A%20%5BPROPOSAL%5D%20GNOME%20Goal%20for%203.8%3A%20No%20more%20Python%0A%202&In-Reply-To=%3C4FEC0CB8.8090801%40googlemail.com%3E"
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+    <I>Thu Jun 28 09:50:16 CEST 2012</I>
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+&gt;<i> Any feedback on going Python 3 only for GNOME 3.8 (release around April
+</I>&gt;<i> 2013)? Please take part in the upstream discussion at
+</I>&gt;<i> desktop-devel-list. Subscribe instructions at:
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+</I>In what way does that &quot;touch&quot; Mageia aside from GNOME packaging?
+We can't abandon Python 2 in the distro since there's loads of Python 2 
+software out there.
+So this will only change some of GNOME's dependancies, won't it?
+
+Oliver
+
+-- 
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
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+Mageia contributor
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+    <B>Sandro Cazzaniga</B> 
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+I've asked (one week ago) if some peoples can test lemonldap-ng package.
+I have no any bugs on my computer, I've added two patches to the package.
+Can someone else test this package? It's simple and very fast.
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Fwd%3A%20%5BPROPOSAL%5D%20GNOME%20Goal%20for%203.8%3A%20No%20more%20Python%0A%092&In-Reply-To=%3C20120628081610.GA16545%40bkor.dhs.org%3E"
+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python	2">olav at vitters.nl
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+    <I>Thu Jun 28 10:16:10 CEST 2012</I>
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+&gt;<i> In what way does that &quot;touch&quot; Mageia aside from GNOME packaging?
+</I>&gt;<i> We can't abandon Python 2 in the distro since there's loads of
+</I>&gt;<i> Python 2 software out there.
+</I>&gt;<i> So this will only change some of GNOME's dependancies, won't it?
+</I>
+No clue on what it would impact. That is why I am asking :)
+
+I see that atm python3 package is not on my system. I guess GNOME should
+use #!/usr/bin/python3 and then everything is fine?
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+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 27/06/12 22:21 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 09:31:44PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Never really tried making a plot quickly after booting, but 8min should
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be enough to have every service started.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Due to mysqld/mariadb not starting
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Loads of repeating messages in the logs:
+</I>&gt;<i> Jun 27 21:56:03 bkor systemd[1]: mysqld.service holdoff time over,
+</I>&gt;<i> scheduling restart.
+</I>&gt;<i> Jun 27 21:56:03 bkor systemd[1]: Job pending for unit, delaying
+</I>&gt;<i> automatic restart.
+</I>
+Hmm, interesting. MySQL starts fine here.
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+&gt;<i> I uninstalled mariadb and it went through. Before that tried a chkconfig
+</I>&gt;<i> mysqld off, but that didn't seem to help.
+</I>
+MySQL has a native systemd unit so you should have done &quot;systemctl
+disable mysqld.service&quot;. Once a native unit exists the enabled/disabled
+status of the sysvinit script is irrelevant.
+
+
+As a side note, how was your keyboard layout and do you have a
+/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf file?
+
+
+Just FYI, having spoken to Lennart, the plan is to write a patch for
+systemd-localed that will allow us to force a sync of locale settings
+(and thus write the above Xorg snippet) to ensure everyone gets the
+right keymapping. We will trigger this functionality on upgrade. This is
+currently the only thing holding me back from pushing this. I'll try and
+find time to write such a patch at the weekend.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Il 28/06/2012 04:00, Johnny A. Solbu ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> No, it is Not obvious. It is called Backports for a reason. It is
+</I>&gt;<i> software that is not part of the release, and is to be treated as
+</I>&gt;<i> experimental/beta software, as it could wery well break your system
+</I>&gt;<i> if you don't know what you are doing.
+</I>This is *not* obvious as well. It's not written anywhere that should be
+experimental, with beta/alpha programs....
+A backport is just something that is not part of the release, yes,
+but also that should not be get through update.
+There's no reasons to talk about backports in fedora probably,
+since all goes to update for the most, our policy says (or will do)
+what can (and what can't) go to backports.
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+Said that, backports have been approved last night meeting,
+let's talk about bp subject again in case of problems (that of course
+we won't have since we're very good at :D )
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+Cheers,
+	Angelo
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 27/06/2012 08:16, Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 27/06/2012 01:38, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have got an idea to fix this bug with a new drak tool (DrakSpell?). It
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would be an assistant with a list of all available languages with all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their variants to select and install. And the trick: it will install a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package (like hunspell-en) and remove (rm -f) the unselected dicts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (en_CA, en_GB ...).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This seems to be against rules.. but would be a solution. And this seems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to be much better than producing (and maintaining!) 1000 packages with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> single dicts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>Directly removing file on the system installed by rpm will break rpm 
+assumption than its DB content should match actual filesystem.
+
+If there is really an issue with multiple packages with single-file 
+content (this is not the only example in the distribution), I don't see 
+any actual issue merging them into a single package, and installing akk 
+files at once. And if you really want to reduce disk space usage, you'd 
+better use builtin exclusion of locale-specific files: just tag your 
+files with appropriate %lang macro in the package.
+-- 
+Never stand when you can sit, never sit when you can lie down, never 
+stay awake when you can sleep
+		-- Murphy's Military Laws n&#176;60
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 27/06/12 22:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 09:31:44PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Never really tried making a plot quickly after booting, but 8min should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; be enough to have every service started.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Due to mysqld/mariadb not starting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Loads of repeating messages in the logs:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Jun 27 21:56:03 bkor systemd[1]: mysqld.service holdoff time over,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; scheduling restart.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Jun 27 21:56:03 bkor systemd[1]: Job pending for unit, delaying
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; automatic restart.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, interesting. MySQL starts fine here.
+</I>
+Table corruption :P
+
+|<i> InnoDB: The log sequence number in ibdata files does not match
+</I>|<i> InnoDB: the log sequence number in the ib_logfiles!
+</I>|<i> 120627 21:22:06  InnoDB: Database was not shut down normally!
+</I>|<i> InnoDB: Starting crash recovery.
+</I>|<i> InnoDB: Reading tablespace information from the .ibd files...
+</I>|<i> InnoDB: Restoring possible half-written data pages from the doublewrite
+</I>|<i> InnoDB: buffer...
+</I>|<i> 120627 21:22:06  InnoDB: Assertion failure in thread 140513125668672 in
+</I>|<i> file fsp0fsp.c line 2874
+</I>|<i> InnoDB: Failing assertion: space != 0
+</I>
+A bit strange as I always reboot cleanly, but in any case not related to
+systemd. Could be that I never noticed this failing (haven't used the
+databases in many months).
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; I uninstalled mariadb and it went through. Before that tried a chkconfig
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mysqld off, but that didn't seem to help.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> MySQL has a native systemd unit so you should have done &quot;systemctl
+</I>&gt;<i> disable mysqld.service&quot;. Once a native unit exists the enabled/disabled
+</I>&gt;<i> status of the sysvinit script is irrelevant.
+</I>
+chkconfig forwards things right? I'm still using chkconfig + service.
+
+&gt;<i> As a side note, how was your keyboard layout and do you have a
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf file?
+</I>
+Don't have /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf. My keyboard layout
+is&amp;was standard (US). I have capslock as compose key in xorg, but didn't
+check if that is still working.
+
+&gt;<i> Just FYI, having spoken to Lennart, the plan is to write a patch for
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-localed that will allow us to force a sync of locale settings
+</I>&gt;<i> (and thus write the above Xorg snippet) to ensure everyone gets the
+</I>&gt;<i> right keymapping. We will trigger this functionality on upgrade. This is
+</I>&gt;<i> currently the only thing holding me back from pushing this. I'll try and
+</I>&gt;<i> find time to write such a patch at the weekend.
+</I>
+Nice! Because then I can finish the GNOME upgrade :-)
+(most pending stuff is either waiting on systemd, or new
+evolution-data-server.. and cannot upgrade evolution-data-server without
+upgrading the stuff which wants a newer systemd)
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+    <B>Anne nicolas</B> 
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+<PRE>2012/6/26 Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Our meeting will happen tomorrow evening at 19hUTC. Here are the
+</I>&gt;<i> proposed topics:
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+</I>&gt;<i> - pending security updates
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mageia 3 features
+</I>&gt;<i> - Backports policy
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the 2 last topics please read following links *before* meeting:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016819.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016819.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016855.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016855.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Here are the logs
+<A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-06-27-19.11.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-06-27-19.11.html</A>
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+-- 
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I have got an idea to fix this bug with a new drak tool (DrakSpell?).
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be an assistant with a list of all available languages with
+</I>&gt;<i> all their variants to select and install. And the trick: it will
+</I>&gt;<i> install a package (like hunspell-en) and remove (rm -f) the unselected
+</I>&gt;<i> dicts (en_CA, en_GB ...).
+</I>
+How would you be able to select a previously not selected language?
+
+Maybe package differently:
+  /usr/real/spell/something
+and then have links from
+  /usr/spell/something
+to the real languages?
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+Then you could remove and add languages as you please, plus RPM would be
+more or less happy? Think you can teach it to ignore symlinks with ghost
+maybe?
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+Hi there
+
+
+&gt;<i> So,
+</I>&gt;<i> we have been discussing this many times, and not gotten any
+</I>&gt;<i> satisfactory decision to go ahead yet...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+So we had our weekly meeting yesterday and backports were in topics list.
+logs : <A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-06-27-19.11.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-06-27-19.11.html</A>
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+Here are all the point now we agreed on:
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+- backports will be opened, supported with security updates and bugfix
+- opening backports for mageia 1 too, but users should be aware that
+it can potentialy create problems when upgrading, and may need to fix
+some problems manually
+- it is planned to add a warking when activating a backport media in
+drakrpm-edit-media, with checkbox to tell &quot;don't warn anymore&quot;
+- work is needed to add support for automatic updates of installed backports
+- mailing list will be created for backports announces
+- QA will provide updated backport validation procedure in the following days
+
+So discussion is now closed :). QA is waiting now for volunteers to
+help on validating backports. No QA, no backports!
+
+Also we need volunteers to work on
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317.">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317.</A> At the moment QA can
+hardly manage updates and backports while this is not solved. So again
+volunteers needed!
+
+Cheers
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+Anne
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 28/06/12 09:54 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 09:21:10AM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 27/06/12 22:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 09:31:44PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Never really tried making a plot quickly after booting, but 8min should
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be enough to have every service started.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Due to mysqld/mariadb not starting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Loads of repeating messages in the logs:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Jun 27 21:56:03 bkor systemd[1]: mysqld.service holdoff time over,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> scheduling restart.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Jun 27 21:56:03 bkor systemd[1]: Job pending for unit, delaying
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> automatic restart.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, interesting. MySQL starts fine here.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Table corruption :P
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> | InnoDB: The log sequence number in ibdata files does not match
+</I>&gt;<i> | InnoDB: the log sequence number in the ib_logfiles!
+</I>&gt;<i> | 120627 21:22:06  InnoDB: Database was not shut down normally!
+</I>&gt;<i> | InnoDB: Starting crash recovery.
+</I>&gt;<i> | InnoDB: Reading tablespace information from the .ibd files...
+</I>&gt;<i> | InnoDB: Restoring possible half-written data pages from the doublewrite
+</I>&gt;<i> | InnoDB: buffer...
+</I>&gt;<i> | 120627 21:22:06  InnoDB: Assertion failure in thread 140513125668672 in
+</I>&gt;<i> | file fsp0fsp.c line 2874
+</I>&gt;<i> | InnoDB: Failing assertion: space != 0
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> A bit strange as I always reboot cleanly, but in any case not related to
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd. Could be that I never noticed this failing (haven't used the
+</I>&gt;<i> databases in many months).
+</I>
+Yeah, as none of the other services will really depend on mysql (or note
+that you actively use at least) and thus systemd has probably been
+diligently trying hard to start it for a while. It will eventually give
+up and your systemd-analyze plot will show a nice loooooooooong bar for
+this particular service :)
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I uninstalled mariadb and it went through. Before that tried a chkconfig
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mysqld off, but that didn't seem to help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MySQL has a native systemd unit so you should have done &quot;systemctl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> disable mysqld.service&quot;. Once a native unit exists the enabled/disabled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> status of the sysvinit script is irrelevant.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> chkconfig forwards things right? I'm still using chkconfig + service.
+</I>
+Nope. The brige is the other way around. i.e. systemctl disable will
+forward TO chkconfig if there is no native systemd unit, but chkconfig
+will NOT forward to systemctl if there is a native systemd unit.
+
+Rule: Always use systemctl, forget chkconfig.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> As a side note, how was your keyboard layout and do you have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf file?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't have /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf. My keyboard layout
+</I>&gt;<i> is&amp;was standard (US). I have capslock as compose key in xorg, but didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> check if that is still working.
+</I>
+Ahh if you have a US layout then that's likely not an issue you'd get
+tripped up by.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Just FYI, having spoken to Lennart, the plan is to write a patch for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systemd-localed that will allow us to force a sync of locale settings
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (and thus write the above Xorg snippet) to ensure everyone gets the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> right keymapping. We will trigger this functionality on upgrade. This is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> currently the only thing holding me back from pushing this. I'll try and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> find time to write such a patch at the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Nice! Because then I can finish the GNOME upgrade :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> (most pending stuff is either waiting on systemd, or new
+</I>&gt;<i> evolution-data-server.. and cannot upgrade evolution-data-server without
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrading the stuff which wants a newer systemd)
+</I>
+
+Yup, I appreciate I'm holding things up here :s I'll try and get this
+done ASAP.
+
+Cheers!
+
+Col
+
+-- 
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B> 
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+<PRE>2012/6/28 Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 01:38:03AM +0200, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have got an idea to fix this bug with a new drak tool (DrakSpell?).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It would be an assistant with a list of all available languages with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; all their variants to select and install. And the trick: it will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; install a package (like hunspell-en) and remove (rm -f) the unselected
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dicts (en_CA, en_GB ...).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How would you be able to select a previously not selected language?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe package differently:
+</I>&gt;<i>  /usr/real/spell/something
+</I>&gt;<i> and then have links from
+</I>&gt;<i>  /usr/spell/something
+</I>&gt;<i> to the real languages?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then you could remove and add languages as you please, plus RPM would be
+</I>&gt;<i> more or less happy? Think you can teach it to ignore symlinks with ghost
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Olav
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I filled a bug in KDe bug tracker
+<A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302689">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302689</A>
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I filled a bug in KDe bug tracker
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302689">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302689</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>
+With wich applications do you still use aspell?
+
+After I removed all those links in /usr/share/hunspell/ the list of 
+dictionaries in Kwrite is just as short as in Thunderbird or in Firefox.
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> On Wednesday 27 June 2012 20:37, AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if RH and Canonical both had worked together with some independant
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> entity
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (like cacert.org ) it could've been handled alot better.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> RedHat explored that idea and turned it down, because no one was viling to
+</I>&gt;<i> do it, and doing it them selves was hugely expensive.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html">http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ===
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;An alternative was producing some sort of overall Linux key. It turns out
+</I>&gt;<i> that this is also difficult, since it would mean finding an entity who was
+</I>&gt;<i> willing to take responsibility for managing signing or key distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i> That means having the ability to keep the root key absolutely secure and
+</I>&gt;<i> perform adequate validation of people asking for signing. That's
+</I>&gt;<i> expensive. Like millions of dollars expensive. It would also take a lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> time to set up, and that's not really time we had. And, finally, nobody
+</I>&gt;<i> was jumping at the opportunity to volunteer. So no generic Linux key.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> ===
+</I>
+I've read this too, that's why i said it. But that's exactly it, before
+this was sent out, there is no mention anywhere of plan or request for
+help anywhere...
+
+It would have been better if they had stated their plans and requested
+assistance and collaborate with other distros at the very least.
+
+But, they kept everything under wraps, and &quot;noone presented itself&quot; even
+though they didn't _really_ ask.
+
+As i said, if all the major distro players had come together with this
+problem and asked organizations who have such experience (==&gt; cacert.org),
+it would've been a different picture.
+
+I call bullshit, lack of openness and corporate competitivity.
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Yup, I appreciate I'm holding things up here :s I'll try and get this
+</I>&gt;<i> done ASAP.
+</I>
+No need to hurry btw, I need to package various things. Don't mind being
+able to say I'm not holding things up :P
+
+furthermore, probably not a lot of time to actually finish the rest
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I've read this too, that's why i said it. But that's exactly it, before
+</I>&gt;<i> this was sent out, there is no mention anywhere of plan or request for
+</I>&gt;<i> help anywhere...
+</I>[..]
+&gt;<i> It would have been better if they had stated their plans and requested
+</I>&gt;<i> assistance and collaborate with other distros at the very least.
+</I>
+mjg or Canonical?
+
+&gt;<i> But, they kept everything under wraps, and &quot;noone presented itself&quot; even
+</I>&gt;<i> though they didn't _really_ ask.
+</I>
+mjg seems to indicate he did have a discussion with others. It seems
+logical to me to talk to other companies.
+
+&gt;<i> As i said, if all the major distro players had come together with this
+</I>&gt;<i> problem and asked organizations who have such experience (==&gt; cacert.org),
+</I>&gt;<i> it would've been a different picture.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I call bullshit, lack of openness and corporate competitivity.
+</I>
+mjg was doing this as a pet project and for the love of Fedora.
+
+
+Just because you weren't involved doesn't make it bullshit. He's been
+blogging about this for ages, one of the few who actually does something
+and prepares.
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6548">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6548</A>
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+if there's no objections, I'll push stable Xfce 4.10 from Cauldron to
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+requested it in IRC/bugzilla.
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+Currently we have a mixture of stable and unstable versions of Xfce in
+mga2. Also, I've not faced problems with Xfce 4.10 in daily usage (in
+Cauldron, though) so it should be a pretty safe upgrade if all goes
+smoothly and like in movies. :)
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+    <B>Florian Hubold</B> 
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+    <I>Thu Jun 28 18:38:40 CEST 2012</I>
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+i'd like to know what the current status of the ARM port is
+and if there's any documentation available, and if so, where?
+I may be forgiven for asking, as i still have ~800 unread -dev
+mails, but i saw there was somebody asking for ARM on
+Raspberry Pi, but not any results so far.
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+Only ocassions where i saw ARM port mentioned was in
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#Stage_1">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#Stage_1</A>
+and <A HREF="http://packages.rtp-net.org/mageia/cauldron/armv5tl/docs/README.ARMv5TL">http://packages.rtp-net.org/mageia/cauldron/armv5tl/docs/README.ARMv5TL</A>
+which seems quite outdated from looking at the mtime.
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+And what does that mean currently, one can fire up stage1
+on an ARM system and just point it to rtp's ARM mirror,
+and it will install, say basesystem-minimal or so? Or
+still much porting work to be done?
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 4.7.1-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 264094
+</I>&gt;<i> - BR texinfo-tex
+</I>&gt;<i> - update filelists
+</I>&gt;<i> - ada/gcc-interface/Makefile.in: fix missing -fPIC flag (P108, upstream)
+</I>&gt;<i> - rediff P115, P201, P208, P211, P302, P304, P507
+</I>&gt;<i> - add packages for GNU Transactional Memory library (libitm) support
+</I>&gt;<i> - update libstdcxx_minor, libgcj_major and libobjc_major
+</I>&gt;<i> - update to 4.7.1
+</I>
+new gcc break rpm (&amp; thus urpmi) testsuites.
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+Compare:
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120627230129.tv.valstar.7997/rpm-4.10.0-2.mga3/build.0.20120627230131.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120627230129.tv.valstar.7997/rpm-4.10.0-2.mga3/build.0.20120627230131.log</A>
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120626181707.tv.valstar.32401/rpm-4.10.0-1.mga3/build.0.20120626182702.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120626181707.tv.valstar.32401/rpm-4.10.0-1.mga3/build.0.20120626182702.log</A>
+(Search for &quot;Basic tests&quot;)
+
+Reverting the unrelated change between the two builds doesn't fix
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+    <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Idea%20to%20fix%20%22Way%20too%20many%20languages%20to%20choose%20from%0A%20for%20spell%20checking%20in%20FF%20and%20TB%22%20mga%236125&In-Reply-To=%3CCALVo_BjXuXbyMoECS7XJbVF-mpinRuyaZdswzNLYhcJYJ7VuBQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>Le 28 juin 2012 12:24, &quot;Marja van Waes&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 28/06/2012 12:05, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I filled a bug in KDe bug tracker
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302689">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302689</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With wich applications do you still use aspell?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After I removed all those links in /usr/share/hunspell/ the list of
+</I>dictionaries in Kwrite is just as short as in Thunderbird or in Firefox.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> marja
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I did nt search about hunspell i looked only about aspell til now. I will
+look about hunspell and its dictionnaries
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+&gt;<i> On 27 June 2012 00:09, tmb &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 4.7.1-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 264094
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - BR texinfo-tex
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update filelists
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - ada/gcc-interface/Makefile.in: fix missing -fPIC flag (P108, upstream)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rediff P115, P201, P208, P211, P302, P304, P507
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add packages for GNU Transactional Memory library (libitm) support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update libstdcxx_minor, libgcj_major and libobjc_major
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update to 4.7.1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> new gcc break rpm (&amp; thus urpmi) testsuites.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Compare:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120627230129.tv.valstar.7997/rpm-4.10.0-2.mga3/build.0.20120627230131.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120627230129.tv.valstar.7997/rpm-4.10.0-2.mga3/build.0.20120627230131.log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120626181707.tv.valstar.32401/rpm-4.10.0-1.mga3/build.0.20120626182702.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120626181707.tv.valstar.32401/rpm-4.10.0-1.mga3/build.0.20120626182702.log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Search for &quot;Basic tests&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Reverting the unrelated change between the two builds doesn't fix
+</I>&gt;<i> anything of course.
+</I>
+Actually it looks like it's new fakechroot that's the issue
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+I am not sure about which update caused this, but
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+this would critically affect my system running cauldron.
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+I had tried with fglrx and radeon driver, both with same
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+    <B>n54 at gmx.com</B> 
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+    <I>Thu Jun 28 21:16:53 CEST 2012</I>
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+Sent: 06/28/12 10:34 AM
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+ Directly removing file on the system installed by rpm will break rpm assumption than its DB content should match actual filesystem.  Ah, I was affraid of this. So we cannot break the filesystem.
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+ There is also an additional solution: stop following Fedora and so stop installing symlinks (like &quot;en_US&quot; -&gt; &quot;en_X1&quot;, &quot;en_X2&quot;, &quot;en_X3&quot; etc). This solution can reduce language variants for most (IIRC all) of languages to 1,2 or 3 dictionaries.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 26/06/12 12:41 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 26/06/2012 11:27, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Therefore, I'd hope this is just a product of me not rebuilding
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everything under the sun for new udev...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's my current guess... :)
+</I>&gt;<i> ...and the winner is....(heavy rolling drum sound)... invalid keyboard
+</I>&gt;<i> mappings. I'd say some udev rule is just missing, but what is puzzling
+</I>&gt;<i> me is that only X display is affected, whereas TTY display is OK.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> How are keyboards mapping managed nowadays ?
+</I>
+Right I think I sussed it.
+
+It seems it's done via mageia-setup-keyboard in x11-server-keyboard.
+
+It detects when it's not run via udev, and calls udevadm trigger to
+import the keyboard settings into the udev database which are
+subsequently read by evdev etc. when loading.
+
+
+In the new systemd the path to udevadm has changed. In order to fix
+things up for now, I've added a compat symlink to it's old path such
+that external calls using the full path still succeed.
+
+I've just submitted a new systemd build to updates_testing.
+
+
+Can users please try deleting the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf
+file and rebooting to make sure the keymap is set correctly (especially
+in the DM if you are using Gnome as user-specific settings may override
+the initial defaults).
+
+Assuming I get confirmation that this is OK, I'll submit this tomorrow.
+
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 29/06/12 00:35 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 26/06/12 12:41 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 26/06/2012 11:27, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Therefore, I'd hope this is just a product of me not rebuilding
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> everything under the sun for new udev...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's my current guess... :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...and the winner is....(heavy rolling drum sound)... invalid keyboard
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mappings. I'd say some udev rule is just missing, but what is puzzling
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> me is that only X display is affected, whereas TTY display is OK.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How are keyboards mapping managed nowadays ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Right I think I sussed it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems it's done via mageia-setup-keyboard in x11-server-keyboard.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It detects when it's not run via udev, and calls udevadm trigger to
+</I>&gt;<i> import the keyboard settings into the udev database which are
+</I>&gt;<i> subsequently read by evdev etc. when loading.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In the new systemd the path to udevadm has changed. In order to fix
+</I>&gt;<i> things up for now, I've added a compat symlink to it's old path such
+</I>&gt;<i> that external calls using the full path still succeed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I've just submitted a new systemd build to updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Can users please try deleting the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> file and rebooting to make sure the keymap is set correctly (especially
+</I>&gt;<i> in the DM if you are using Gnome as user-specific settings may override
+</I>&gt;<i> the initial defaults).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Assuming I get confirmation that this is OK, I'll submit this tomorrow.
+</I>
+Very Important!!!!! Also update x11-server too!
+
+It's actually really lucky the path to udevadm changed as I'd have
+otherwise been super confused! It turns out correcting this problem
+highlighted another - an infinite trigger loop in udev.
+
+The rules file:
+  /etc/udev/rules.d/61-x11-input.rules
+calls /sbin/mageia-setup-keyboard.
+
+
+mageia-setup-keyboard in turn uses the variable UDEV_LOG to work out if
+we're called within udev or not. If not it assumes it's being run
+&quot;standalone&quot; rather than via udev.
+
+
+I've fixed this looping now and it should be backwards compatible with
+the current udev.
+
+So make sure you update the x11-server at the same time otherwise you
+might have a hard time until you reboot.
+
+If you do get stuck, just rm /sbin/udevadm symlink in rescue.target (aka
+runlevel 1). udevd will be happily going quite nuts until you reboot :)
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>John Balcaen</B> 
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hello,
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+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any plan pushing kde 4.9 rc1 into cauldron? Thanks.
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+As said initially the idea was to jump in the 4.9 during beta2 or rc1.
+However due to a non working computer i'm not able to work on cauldron
+currently (a working computer is expected in 2 weeks ).
+You can start working on it if you want (this means also upgrading soprano
+to the current beta, shared desktop ontologies etc..).
+There's also several changes in kdelibs kde runtime regarding nepomuk which
+is now also splitted out.
+You should also cherry pick the udisk2 patch from fedora so colin will be
+happy ;)
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+It would be also nice to push everything in the same time to minimize
+downtime four our ten kde users ;)
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+    <B>John Balcaen</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: alacarte &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 3.5.3 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 1.mga3 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Sun Jun 24 23:35:42 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : System/Configuration/Other &#160; &#160;Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 198396 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://www.realistanew.com/projects/alacarte/">http://www.realistanew.com/projects/alacarte/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Simple menu editor for Gnome
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Alacarte is a menu editor for GNOME that lets you get things done,
+</I>&gt;<i> simply and quickly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just click and type to edit, add, and delete any menu entry.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 3.5.3-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 263331
+</I>&gt;<i> - drop upstream patch
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 3.5.3
+</I>Hello,
+
+does alacarte really need to pull devel [1] stuff like this  :
+
+requiring pkgconfig(libgnome-menu-3.0)[&gt;= 3.2.0.1] for
+alacarte-3.5.3-1.mga3.noarch
+chosen libgnome-menu-devel-3.5.3-1.mga3.i586 for
+pkgconfig(libgnome-menu-3.0)[&gt;= 3.2.0.1]
+selecting libgnome-menu-devel-3.5.3-1.mga3.i586
+requiring devel(libgio-2.0),devel(libglib-2.0),devel(libgobject-2.0),libgnome-menu3_0[==
+3.5.3],pkgconfig(gio-unix-2.0) for
+libgnome-menu-devel-3.5.3-1.mga3.i586
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+[1] <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/alacarte/current/SPECS/alacarte.spec?r1=252914&amp;r2=253426">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/alacarte/current/SPECS/alacarte.spec?r1=252914&amp;r2=253426</A>
+
+Regards,
+-- 
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Assuming I get confirmation that this is OK, I'll submit this tomorrow.
+</I>Works fine for me, thanks.
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+What's quite curious, tough, is that neither 
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+Sometimes I understand the frustration of people pissed of by the 
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+<PRE>On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 05:12:43AM -0300, John Balcaen wrote:
+&gt;<i> does alacarte really need to pull devel [1] stuff like this  :
+</I>
+Not at all. No idea why I added that :P
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 29/06/12 09:24 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 29/06/2012 02:48, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Assuming I get confirmation that this is OK, I'll submit this tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;<i> Works fine for me, thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> What's quite curious, tough, is that neither
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/udev/rules.d/61-x11-input.rules nor
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf files exist on my system...
+</I>&gt;<i> Sometimes I understand the frustration of people pissed of by the
+</I>&gt;<i> current trend toward complexity.
+</I>
+Ahh sorry, I moved /etc/udev/rules.d/61-x11-input.rules to
+/lib/udev/rules.d/61-x11-input.rules as it's not an
+autogenerated/administrator controlled rule and thus has no place in
+/etc tree.
+
+You would only have /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf if you'd gone
+through the Gnome system settings -&gt; Regional and Language -&gt; System and
+selected &quot;Copy Settings&quot; option to copy the user settings to the system
+default settings.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 29/06/12 09:24 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 29/06/2012 02:48, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Assuming I get confirmation that this is OK, I'll submit this tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Works fine for me, thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What's quite curious, tough, is that neither
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/udev/rules.d/61-x11-input.rules nor
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf files exist on my system...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sometimes I understand the frustration of people pissed of by the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> current trend toward complexity.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahh sorry, I moved /etc/udev/rules.d/61-x11-input.rules to
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib/udev/rules.d/61-x11-input.rules as it's not an
+</I>&gt;<i> autogenerated/administrator controlled rule and thus has no place in
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc tree.
+</I>with GOTO statements inside :)
+
+&gt;<i> You would only have /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf if you'd gone
+</I>&gt;<i> through the Gnome system settings -&gt; Regional and Language -&gt; System and
+</I>&gt;<i> selected &quot;Copy Settings&quot; option to copy the user settings to the system
+</I>&gt;<i> default settings.
+</I>Well, I'm quite old-fashioned in this regard, and never use 
+desktop-level configuration tools for system-wide settings :/
+
+Thanks for these explanations.
+-- 
+Anything you purchase will get stuck and hang on the edge of the rack
+		-- Murphy's Laws on Vending Machines n&#176;4
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+    <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B> 
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+&gt;<i> The QA team has been testing the update for Firefox 10.0.5 and has run into problems with xulrunner.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Trying to test it through either perl-Gtk-MozEmbed or gnome-python-gtkmozembed which have both been rebuilt against xulrunner 10.0.5, segfaults are happening.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Claire found a reference to an old Mandriva bug that may be relevant:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=30801">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=30801</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See our bugs for the FF update for more:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6389">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6389</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6548">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6548</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can this be fixed, or is all moz/gecko embedding hopelessly broken forever?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Not sure it is xulrunner to blame.
+I am getting segfaults on nautilus and in CUPS's pdftops (the one in /usr/lib64/cups...,
+not that in /usr/bin), so currently I can't print.
+I am waiting to test in other boxes to fill a bug report...
+
+It looks like bugs in new glibc/gcc or bugs in the apps that surface due
+to new libs/toolchain...
+
+-- 
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt;        \               Winter is coming...
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 06/28/2012 05:12 PM, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The QA team has been testing the update for Firefox 10.0.5 and has run into problems with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> xulrunner.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Trying to test it through either perl-Gtk-MozEmbed or gnome-python-gtkmozembed which have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> both been rebuilt against xulrunner 10.0.5, segfaults are happening.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Claire found a reference to an old Mandriva bug that may be relevant:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=30801">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=30801</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> See our bugs for the FF update for more:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6389">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6389</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6548">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6548</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can this be fixed, or is all moz/gecko embedding hopelessly broken forever?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure it is xulrunner to blame.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am getting segfaults on nautilus and in CUPS's pdftops (the one in /usr/lib64/cups...,
+</I>&gt;<i> not that in /usr/bin), so currently I can't print.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am waiting to test in other boxes to fill a bug report...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like bugs in new glibc/gcc or bugs in the apps that surface due
+</I>&gt;<i> to new libs/toolchain...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>David's message is clearly not about cauldron. Why hijack thread like that?!
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> Either way is there any specific reason you can't just use mgarepo on
+</I>&gt;<i> your debian box?
+</I>
+I've installed mgarepo on a Debian box now, but I still can't use it.
+
+===
+$ cat /etc/debian_version
+6.0.5
+
+$ LC_ALL=C mgarepo co ufoai
+Host key verification failed.
+svn: To better debug SSH connection problems, remove the -q option from 'ssh' in the [tunnels] section of your Subversion configuration file.
+svn: Network connection closed unexpectedly
+
+$ grep ^ssh /etc/subversion/config
+ssh = $SVN_SSH ssh
+===
+
+I have manually copied and added the SSH hostkey's to my known_hosts file, and that disn't change anything.
+
+Now what?
+
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+
+&gt;<i> On Friday 22 June 2012 11:08, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Either way is there any specific reason you can't just use mgarepo on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; your debian box?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I've installed mgarepo on a Debian box now, but I still can't use it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> ===
+</I>&gt;<i> $ cat /etc/debian_version
+</I>&gt;<i> 6.0.5
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> $ LC_ALL=C mgarepo co ufoai
+</I>&gt;<i> Host key verification failed.
+</I>&gt;<i> svn: To better debug SSH connection problems, remove the -q option from 'ssh' in the [tunnels] section of your Subversion configuration file.
+</I>&gt;<i> svn: Network connection closed unexpectedly
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> $ grep ^ssh /etc/subversion/config
+</I>&gt;<i> ssh = $SVN_SSH ssh
+</I>&gt;<i> ===
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I have manually copied and added the SSH hostkey's to my known_hosts file, and that disn't change anything.
+</I>
+try to see if you can checkout from svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/">ssh://svn.mageia.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> try to see if you can checkout from svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/">ssh://svn.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>
+That works. And now I can access using mgarepo on debian. 
+Thank you for the pointer. ;-)=
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+&gt;<i> I've installed mgarepo on a Debian box now
+</I>
+I have a veird problem that I am unable to resolve, it works on mdv, mga2 and cauldron but not on debian:
+===
+$ mgarepo sync -d
+error: line 3: Tag takes single token only: Release:    %mkrel 1
+Traceback (most recent call last):
+  File &quot;/usr/bin/mgarepo&quot;, line 93, in &lt;module&gt;
+    do_command(parse_options, dispatch_command)
+  File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MgaRepo/command.py&quot;, line 39, in do_command
+    main_func(**opt.__dict__)
+  File &quot;/usr/bin/mgarepo&quot;, line 84, in dispatch_command
+    command_module.main()
+  File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MgaRepo/commands/sync.py&quot;, line 38, in main
+    do_command(parse_options, sync)
+  File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MgaRepo/command.py&quot;, line 39, in do_command
+    main_func(**opt.__dict__)
+  File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MgaRepo/rpmutil.py&quot;, line 514, in sync
+    spec = rpm.TransactionSet().parseSpec(specpath)
+  File &quot;/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/rpm/transaction.py&quot;, line 35, in parseSpec
+    return _rpmb.spec(specfile)
+ValueError: can't parse specfile
+===
+(rpmbuild is installed. A google search suggested it to another user.)
+
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+<PRE>Now that the keyboard mapping issue has been sussed, I will be
+submitting this today. You have been warned!
+
+I will, of course, be going immediately AFK for several weeks right
+after submitting, as is tradition :D
+
+But more seriously, the changes merge in udev and sysvinit stuff into
+the main systemd package. I will eventually move the units into the main
+package also, but I also need to find a way to not require the actual
+systemd binary for the chroots as it pulls in a lot of stuff and a
+minimal chroot is still desirable when the packages being build to not
+specifically need systemd. I will write more about this in due course
+(and with some suggestions for tasks to be completed before the &quot;big
+rebuild&quot; in order to get our specs in really good shape).
+
+
+Anyway, systemd booting is now the only way, so if you use sysvinit
+still, I'd advise not updating cauldron and discussing why you still
+need sysvinit such that I can help you transition.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+
+
+-- 
+
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+
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> need sysvinit such that I can help you transition.
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+&gt;<i> Le 29/06/2012 13:41, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyway, systemd booting is now the only way, so if you use sysvinit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> still, I'd advise not updating cauldron and discussing why you still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> need sysvinit such that I can help you transition.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;explain me your needs, I'll explain you how to dismiss them&quot;. Colin,
+</I>&gt;<i> you're ready for user support :)
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 29 June 2012 12:49, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've installed mgarepo on a Debian box now
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a veird problem that I am unable to resolve, it works on mdv, mga2 and cauldron but not on debian:
+</I>&gt;<i> ===
+</I>&gt;<i> $ mgarepo sync -d
+</I>&gt;<i> error: line 3: Tag takes single token only: Release:    %mkrel 1
+</I>&gt;<i> Traceback (most recent call last):
+</I>&gt;<i>    File &quot;/usr/bin/mgarepo&quot;, line 93, in &lt;module&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>      do_command(parse_options, dispatch_command)
+</I>&gt;<i>    File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MgaRepo/command.py&quot;, line 39, in do_command
+</I>&gt;<i>      main_func(**opt.__dict__)
+</I>&gt;<i>    File &quot;/usr/bin/mgarepo&quot;, line 84, in dispatch_command
+</I>&gt;<i>      command_module.main()
+</I>&gt;<i>    File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MgaRepo/commands/sync.py&quot;, line 38, in main
+</I>&gt;<i>      do_command(parse_options, sync)
+</I>&gt;<i>    File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MgaRepo/command.py&quot;, line 39, in do_command
+</I>&gt;<i>      main_func(**opt.__dict__)
+</I>&gt;<i>    File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MgaRepo/rpmutil.py&quot;, line 514, in sync
+</I>&gt;<i>      spec = rpm.TransactionSet().parseSpec(specpath)
+</I>&gt;<i>    File &quot;/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/rpm/transaction.py&quot;, line 35, in parseSpec
+</I>&gt;<i>      return _rpmb.spec(specfile)
+</I>&gt;<i> ValueError: can't parse specfile
+</I>&gt;<i> ===
+</I>&gt;<i> (rpmbuild is installed. A google search suggested it to another user.)
+</I>mgarepo doesn't use rpmbuild to parse spec file, but python rpm 
+bindings. And it doesn't look like a missing component issue, rather 
+like some kind of version incompatibility (python 2.6, from the stack 
+trace). Not really surprising on a debian stable version.
+
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+&gt;<i> You'd rather invest some time in learning to debug python code if you're 
+</I>&gt;<i> really wanting to suceed with this kind of setup.
+</I>
+Well. What I want is to be able to use an external Debian server to upload source tarballs.
+In this case the tarball is almost 900MB, and I have a small upstream bandwith. Uploading this file from home would take the hole day, and that ain't happening.
+
+I don't mind haing to use scp or some veird command to do it, as long as I can do it from an external server.
+So, is there a way to upload tarballs to the svn, binrepo or whereever it goes, without using mgarepo?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 29/06/12 13:35 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Friday 29 June 2012 14:28, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You'd rather invest some time in learning to debug python code if you're 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> really wanting to suceed with this kind of setup.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Well. What I want is to be able to use an external Debian server to upload source tarballs.
+</I>&gt;<i> In this case the tarball is almost 900MB, and I have a small upstream bandwith. Uploading this file from home would take the hole day, and that ain't happening.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't mind haing to use scp or some veird command to do it, as long as I can do it from an external server.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, is there a way to upload tarballs to the svn, binrepo or whereever it goes, without using mgarepo?
+</I>
+Well if it's only upload, just use &quot;mgarepo upload&quot; and &quot;mgarepo del&quot;
+rather than &quot;sync&quot; and just make sure you svn commit the sha1.txt file
+afterwards.
+
+These commands shouldn't require any of the rpm bindings.
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
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+<PRE>Le 29/06/2012 14:35, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Friday 29 June 2012 14:28, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You'd rather invest some time in learning to debug python code if you're
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> really wanting to suceed with this kind of setup.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well. What I want is to be able to use an external Debian server to upload source tarballs.
+</I>&gt;<i> In this case the tarball is almost 900MB, and I have a small upstream bandwith. Uploading this file from home would take the hole day, and that ain't happening.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't mind haing to use scp or some veird command to do it, as long as I can do it from an external server.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, is there a way to upload tarballs to the svn, binrepo or whereever it goes, without using mgarepo?
+</I>Sure.
+Something in the line of &quot;cat file | ssh binrepo.mageia.org 
+/usr/local/bin/wrapper.upload-bin&quot; should work, according to mgarepo code.
+
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+<PRE>On Friday 29 June 2012 14:39, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> just make sure you svn commit the sha1.txt file
+</I>&gt;<i> afterwards.
+</I>
+Do I have to do anything to make the sha1 file it see the new tarball?
+Like, should I make a sha1sum of the new trball and add it to the sha1 file?
+
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+    <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B> 
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+<PRE>On 06/29/2012 12:46 PM, Sander Lepik wrote:
+&gt;<i> 29.06.2012 13:14, JA Magall&#243;n kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/28/2012 05:12 PM, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The QA team has been testing the update for Firefox 10.0.5 and has run into problems with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> xulrunner.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Trying to test it through either perl-Gtk-MozEmbed or gnome-python-gtkmozembed which have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> both been rebuilt against xulrunner 10.0.5, segfaults are happening.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Claire found a reference to an old Mandriva bug that may be relevant:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=30801">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=30801</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> See our bugs for the FF update for more:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6389">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6389</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6548">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6548</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can this be fixed, or is all moz/gecko embedding hopelessly broken forever?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not sure it is xulrunner to blame.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am getting segfaults on nautilus and in CUPS's pdftops (the one in /usr/lib64/cups...,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not that in /usr/bin), so currently I can't print.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am waiting to test in other boxes to fill a bug report...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It looks like bugs in new glibc/gcc or bugs in the apps that surface due
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to new libs/toolchain...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> David's message is clearly not about cauldron. Why hijack thread like that?!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Oops, sorry...
+
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 29/06/12 13:43 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Friday 29 June 2012 14:39, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just make sure you svn commit the sha1.txt file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> afterwards.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Do I have to do anything to make the sha1 file it see the new tarball?
+</I>&gt;<i> Like, should I make a sha1sum of the new trball and add it to the sha1 file?
+</I>
+&quot;mgarepo upload&quot; and &quot;mgarepo del&quot; will modify the checked out sha1.txt
+for you. You just need to commit it afterwards.
+
+Col
+
+
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+As I rebuild things for new systemd/udev I see a few build problems
+related to the basic &quot;read&quot;, &quot;close&quot; etc functions.
+
+Before I continue rebuilding can something maybe take a look at these
+examples and let me know what they think?
+
+Cheers
+
+e.g. see here for libcec (very simple library):
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120629130430.colin.valstar.8451/log/libcec-1.5-0.git20120305.3.mga3/build.0.20120629130450.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120629130430.colin.valstar.8451/log/libcec-1.5-0.git20120305.3.mga3/build.0.20120629130450.log</A>
+
+
+and here in gvfs when checking for samba support:
+
+
+configure:17463: checking for SMBCCTX.close
+configure:17463: gcc -c -O2 -g -pipe -Wformat -Werror=format-security
+-Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4
+-I/usr/includ
+e conftest.c &gt;&amp;5
+conftest.c: In function 'main':
+conftest.c:70:12: error: 'SMBCCTX' has no member named 'close'
+configure:17463: $? = 1
+configure: failed program was:
+|<i> /* confdefs.h */
+</I>|<i> #define PACKAGE_NAME &quot;gvfs&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define PACKAGE_TARNAME &quot;gvfs&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define PACKAGE_VERSION &quot;1.13.2&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define PACKAGE_STRING &quot;gvfs 1.13.2&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT
+</I>&quot;<A HREF="http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=gvfs">http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=gvfs</A>&quot;
+|<i> #define PACKAGE_URL &quot;&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define PACKAGE &quot;gvfs&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define VERSION &quot;1.13.2&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define STDC_HEADERS 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_STRING_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_MEMORY_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_STDINT_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_DLFCN_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define LT_OBJDIR &quot;.libs/&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define RETSIGTYPE void
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_STRUCT_STAT_ST_MTIM_TV_NSEC 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_STRUCT_STAT_ST_ATIM_TV_NSEC 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_STRUCT_STAT_ST_CTIM_TV_NSEC 1
+</I>|<i> #define GETTEXT_PACKAGE &quot;gvfs&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_LOCALE_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_LC_MESSAGES 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_BIND_TEXTDOMAIN_CODESET 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_GETTEXT 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_DCGETTEXT 1
+</I>|<i> #define ENABLE_NLS 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_SYS_UN_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_STROPTS_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_TERMIOS_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_UTMP_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_SYS_UIO_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_SYS_PARAM_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_GETPT 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_POSIX_OPENPT 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_GRANTPT 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_UNLOCKPT 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_PTSNAME 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_PTSNAME_R 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_SOCKETPAIR 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_LOGIN_TTY /**/
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_HTTP 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_AVAHI /**/
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_LIBXML /**/
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_LIBUDEV 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_FUSE 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_UDISKS2 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_LIBSYSTEMD_LOGIN 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_GUDEV 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_CDDA 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_AFC 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_EXPAT_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_OBEXFTP 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_GPHOTO2 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_KEYRING 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_BLURAY 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_SAMBA_FLAGS /**/
+</I>|<i> /* end confdefs.h.  */
+</I>|<i> #include &lt;libsmbclient.h&gt;
+</I>|<i>
+</I>|<i> int
+</I>|<i> main ()
+</I>|<i> {
+</I>|<i> static SMBCCTX ac_aggr;
+</I>|<i> if (ac_aggr.close)
+</I>|<i> return 0;
+</I>|<i>   ;
+</I>|<i>   return 0;
+</I>|<i> }
+</I>configure:17463: gcc -c -O2 -g -pipe -Wformat -Werror=format-security
+-Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4
+-I/usr/includ
+e conftest.c &gt;&amp;5
+conftest.c: In function 'main':
+conftest.c:70:19: error: 'SMBCCTX' has no member named 'close'
+configure:17463: $? = 1
+configure: failed program was:
+|<i> /* confdefs.h */
+</I>|<i> #define PACKAGE_NAME &quot;gvfs&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define PACKAGE_TARNAME &quot;gvfs&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define PACKAGE_VERSION &quot;1.13.2&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define PACKAGE_STRING &quot;gvfs 1.13.2&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT
+</I>&quot;<A HREF="http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=gvfs">http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=gvfs</A>&quot;
+|<i> #define PACKAGE_URL &quot;&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define PACKAGE &quot;gvfs&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define VERSION &quot;1.13.2&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define STDC_HEADERS 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_STRING_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_MEMORY_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_STDINT_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_DLFCN_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define LT_OBJDIR &quot;.libs/&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define RETSIGTYPE void
+</I>
+|<i> #define HAVE_STRUCT_STAT_ST_MTIM_TV_NSEC 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_STRUCT_STAT_ST_ATIM_TV_NSEC 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_STRUCT_STAT_ST_CTIM_TV_NSEC 1
+</I>|<i> #define GETTEXT_PACKAGE &quot;gvfs&quot;
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_LOCALE_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_LC_MESSAGES 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_BIND_TEXTDOMAIN_CODESET 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_GETTEXT 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_DCGETTEXT 1
+</I>|<i> #define ENABLE_NLS 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_SYS_UN_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_STROPTS_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_TERMIOS_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_UTMP_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_SYS_UIO_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_SYS_PARAM_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_GETPT 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_POSIX_OPENPT 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_GRANTPT 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_UNLOCKPT 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_PTSNAME 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_PTSNAME_R 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_SOCKETPAIR 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_LOGIN_TTY /**/
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_HTTP 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_AVAHI /**/
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_LIBXML /**/
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_LIBUDEV 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_FUSE 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_UDISKS2 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_LIBSYSTEMD_LOGIN 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_GUDEV 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_CDDA 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_AFC 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_EXPAT_H 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_OBEXFTP 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_GPHOTO2 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_KEYRING 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_BLURAY 1
+</I>|<i> #define HAVE_SAMBA_FLAGS /**/
+</I>|<i> /* end confdefs.h.  */
+</I>|<i> #include &lt;libsmbclient.h&gt;
+</I>|<i>
+</I>|<i> int
+</I>|<i> main ()
+</I>|<i> {
+</I>|<i> static SMBCCTX ac_aggr;
+</I>|<i> if (sizeof ac_aggr.close)
+</I>|<i> return 0;
+</I>|<i>   ;
+</I>|<i>   return 0;
+</I>|<i> }
+</I>configure:17463: result: no
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5BSOLVED%5D%20mgarepo%2C%0A%09svn%20and%20working%20from%20external%20debian%20server&In-Reply-To=%3C201206291533.44250.cooker%40solbu.net%3E"
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+&gt;<i> &quot;mgarepo upload&quot; and &quot;mgarepo del&quot; will modify the checked out sha1.txt
+</I>&gt;<i> for you. You just need to commit it afterwards.
+</I>
+Nice. It seems to be working now.
+Thank you all for great help.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>Can someone please fix?
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+Col
+
+-- 
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Can someone please fix?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
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+see <A HREF="http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2011-March/007876.html">http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2011-March/007876.html</A>
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mesa%20doesn%27t%20build%20due%20to%20missing%20nouveau_device.h&In-Reply-To=%3CCAL%2BdqvAiY1VNCBJpGYwWWbEGp%3DtrWMtfkdgRdr1g7SA1KEhSSg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone please fix?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> see <A HREF="http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2011-March/007876.html">http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2011-March/007876.html</A>
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+&gt;<i> Can someone please fix?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+That means either build mesa git, or pull in this:
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+&gt;<i> 29.06.2012 17:22, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone please fix?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That means either build mesa git, or pull in this:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=6d1cdec3ba151168bfc3aef222fba6265dfb41fb">http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=6d1cdec3ba151168bfc3aef222fba6265dfb41fb</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And all needed fixes after...
+</I>
+I vote to go to git... what's the worst that can happen :D
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> conftest.c:70:12: error: 'SMBCCTX' has no member named 'close'
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> conftest.c:70:12: error: 'SMBCCTX' has no member named 'close'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This seems to be a change in samba, SMBCCTX is from their header
+</I>
+Reading the internet, it is normal to have this one to no :)
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+checking for libsmbclient.h... yes
+checking for SMBCCTX.flags... yes
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> conftest.c:70:12: error: 'SMBCCTX' has no member named 'close'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This seems to be a change in samba, SMBCCTX is from their header
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Reading the internet, it is normal to have this one to no :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> checking for libsmbclient.h... yes
+</I>&gt;<i> checking for SMBCCTX.flags... yes
+</I>&gt;<i> checking for SMBCCTX.close... no
+</I>&gt;<i> checking for smbc_option_get in -lsmbclient... yes
+</I>
+Yeah I guess it's just a red herring... I'm trying to work out why gvfs
+samba stuff seems to have broken... likely needs some newer version or
+something.
+
+Col
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+The package is building on my cauldron system.
+
+Does anyone see why it doesn't build on the cluster?
+
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120629150007.solbu.valstar.12675/log/ufoai-2.4-1.mga3/build.0.20120629150424.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120629150007.solbu.valstar.12675/log/ufoai-2.4-1.mga3/build.0.20120629150424.log</A>
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+The only thing I can see that fail, are these lines, but I don't know what I can do to fix it:
+===
+/usr/bin/ld: release-linux-x86_64/ufo/libs/mxml/mxml-private.c.o: undefined reference to symbol 'pthread_once@@GLIBC_2.2.5'
+/usr/bin/ld: note: 'pthread_once@@GLIBC_2.2.5' is defined in DSO /lib64/libpthread.so.0 so try adding it to the linker command line
+/lib64/libpthread.so.0: could not read symbols: Invalid operation
+collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
+make: *** [ufo] Error 1
+make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
+===
+
+
+The rest of the logs are here:
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120629150007.solbu.valstar.12675/log/ufoai-2.4-1.mga3/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120629150007.solbu.valstar.12675/log/ufoai-2.4-1.mga3/</A>
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+&gt;<i> I have troubles getting ufoai to build on the build servers.
+</I>&gt;<i> The package is building on my cauldron system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does anyone see why it doesn't build on the cluster?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120629150007.solbu.valstar.12675/log/ufoai-2.4-1.mga3/build.0.20120629150424.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120629150007.solbu.valstar.12675/log/ufoai-2.4-1.mga3/build.0.20120629150424.log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only thing I can see that fail, are these lines, but I don't know what I can do to fix it:
+</I>&gt;<i> ===
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin/ld: release-linux-x86_64/ufo/libs/mxml/mxml-private.c.o: undefined reference to symbol 'pthread_once@@GLIBC_2.2.5'
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin/ld: note: 'pthread_once@@GLIBC_2.2.5' is defined in DSO /lib64/libpthread.so.0 so try adding it to the linker command line
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64/libpthread.so.0: could not read symbols: Invalid operation
+</I>&gt;<i> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
+</I>&gt;<i> make: *** [ufo] Error 1
+</I>&gt;<i> make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
+</I>&gt;<i> ===
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The rest of the logs are here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120629150007.solbu.valstar.12675/log/ufoai-2.4-1.mga3/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120629150007.solbu.valstar.12675/log/ufoai-2.4-1.mga3/</A>
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+I would guess you need -lpthread as suggested by the message.
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+&gt;<i> On 06/29/2012 12:46 PM, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 29.06.2012 13:14, JA Magall&#243;n kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Not sure it is xulrunner to blame.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I am getting segfaults on nautilus and in CUPS's pdftops (the one in
+</I>/usr/lib64/cups...,
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; not that in /usr/bin), so currently I can't print.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I am waiting to test in other boxes to fill a bug report...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It looks like bugs in new glibc/gcc or bugs in the apps that surface due
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to new libs/toolchain...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; David's message is clearly not about cauldron. Why hijack thread like that?!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Oops, sorry...
+</I>
+No worries.  IIRC xulrunner 10.0.5 is still in Cauldron, so it should apply
+there as well.  Bug 6610 has been filed for these issues:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6610">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6610</A>
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+xulrunner and packages that depend on it have been excluded from our security
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+&gt;<i> JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/29/2012 12:46 PM, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 29.06.2012 13:14, JA Magall&#243;n kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Not sure it is xulrunner to blame.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I am getting segfaults on nautilus and in CUPS's pdftops (the one in
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/cups...,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; not that in /usr/bin), so currently I can't print.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I am waiting to test in other boxes to fill a bug report...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It looks like bugs in new glibc/gcc or bugs in the apps that surface due
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to new libs/toolchain...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; David's message is clearly not about cauldron. Why hijack thread like that?!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oops, sorry...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No worries. &#160;IIRC xulrunner 10.0.5 is still in Cauldron, so it should apply
+</I>&gt;<i> there as well. &#160;Bug 6610 has been filed for these issues:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6610">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6610</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> xulrunner and packages that depend on it have been excluded from our security
+</I>&gt;<i> update for Firefox 10.0.5 because of this issue.
+</I>
+What do you mean?
+Isn't firefox using xulrunner and most of the code (and the security
+fixes) in xulrunner?
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+&gt;<i> I would guess you need -lpthread as suggested by the message.
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+And how do I get that? :-)=
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 29 June 2012 19:46, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would guess you need -lpthread as suggested by the message.
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+</I>&gt;<i> And how do I get that? :-)=
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+&gt;&gt;<i> No worries. &#160;IIRC xulrunner 10.0.5 is still in Cauldron, so it should apply
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there as well. &#160;Bug 6610 has been filed for these issues:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6610">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6610</A>
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> xulrunner and packages that depend on it have been excluded from our security
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update for Firefox 10.0.5 because of this issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you mean?
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't firefox using xulrunner and most of the code (and the security
+</I>&gt;<i> fixes) in xulrunner?
+</I>
+No.
+For quite a while, firefox isn't linked anymore with xulrunner.
+Both are build from the same sources though.
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+    <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B> 
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+I post it here as it applies to various packages.
+Some systemd files still reference old udev services/targets, even some in
+systemd itself:
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+werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev.*\.service&quot; *
+fedora-wait-storage.service:After=udev-settle.service
+fedora-wait-storage.service:Wants=udev.service udev-settle.service
+mandriva-save-dmesg.service:After=udev-settle.service local-fs.target
+systemd-udev-settle.service:After=udev-trigger.service
+werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev.*\.target&quot; *
+libvirtd.service:After=udev.target
+mandriva-save-dmesg.service:After=udev-settle.service local-fs.target
+
+Should not these change to refer to systemd-udev-* ?
+
+TIA
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+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I would guess you need -lpthread as suggested by the message.
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And how do I get that? :-)=
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You would need to patch the Makefile
+</I>
+Oh. Right. 
+Then howcome I didn't have to do that on Mandriva a few months back on the exact same version?
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+The only difference in the spec from mdv is that on Cauldron the buildrequire &quot;pkgconfig(gtk+)&quot; was invalid or didn't exist, whereas it does in mdv.
+I suspect that  the buildrequire gtk2-devel isn't enough, but I dont know what else I'm missing.
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 29 June 2012 20:43, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I would guess you need -lpthread as suggested by the message.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; And how do I get that? :-)=
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You would need to patch the Makefile
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh. Right.
+</I>&gt;<i> Then howcome I didn't have to do that on Mandriva a few months back on the exact same version?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only difference in the spec from mdv is that on Cauldron the buildrequire &quot;pkgconfig(gtk+)&quot; was invalid or didn't exist, whereas it does in mdv.
+</I>&gt;<i> I suspect that &#160;the buildrequire gtk2-devel isn't enough, but I dont know what else I'm missing.
+</I>
+It may only support gtk1 and not gtk2 so it now builds without gtk
+support, and gtk causes to link to pthread so the build is broken when
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+After updating systemd and the sundry other pkgs this evening I
+rebooted this system.
+
+I have never used the nouveau driver.
+	fron xorg.conf
+
+Section &quot;Device&quot;
+    Identifier &quot;device1&quot;
+    VendorName &quot;nVidia Corporation&quot;
+    BoardName &quot;&quot;
+    Driver &quot;nvidia&quot;
+    BusID &quot;PCI:1:0:0&quot;
+    Option &quot;DPMS&quot;
+    Option &quot;SLI&quot; &quot;Auto&quot;
+    Option &quot;DynamicTwinView&quot; &quot;false&quot;
+    Option &quot;AddARGBGLXVisuals&quot;
+    Option &quot;IgnoreEDID&quot; &quot;1&quot;
+EndSection
+
+lilo append contains nokmsboot
+
+In spite of these facts All the nouveau modules are loaded and the
+nvidia driver Can Not be used.
+
+The only way I was able to fix this issue was to
+blacklist nouveau
+
+Issue #2
+
+I now have no sound.
+
+Pulseaudio segfaults
+
+and alsa fails.
+
+service alsa restart
+Restarting alsa (via systemctl):  Failed to issue method call: Unit
+alsa.service is masked. [FAILED]
+
+
+    Charles
+
+
+-- 
+Oh Dad!  We're ALL Devo!
+----------------------
+Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+Registered Linux user #182463
+3.4.4-tmb-server-1.mga3 x86_64
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+&gt;<i> I would guess you need -lpthread as suggested by the message.
+</I>
+That definately didn't work. It barks up a long list of unused libs warning.
+
+This is really frustrating.
+No matter what I try the package (ufoai) builds localy on cauldron, but /Not/ on the build servers.
+it builds on Mandriva 2010.2, 2011, 2012 and Mageia Cauldron. Just not on Mageias build servers.
+And as far as I can tell from the logs, the build servers are installing all required deps.
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+I am most definately missing something.
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+    <B>Pascal Terjan</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 29 June 2012 19:46, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would guess you need -lpthread as suggested by the message.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That definately didn't work. It barks up a long list of unused libs warning.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is really frustrating.
+</I>&gt;<i> No matter what I try the package (ufoai) builds localy on cauldron, but /Not/ on the build servers.
+</I>&gt;<i> it builds on Mandriva 2010.2, 2011, 2012 and Mageia Cauldron. Just not on Mageias build servers.
+</I>&gt;<i> And as far as I can tell from the logs, the build servers are installing all required deps.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am most definately missing something.
+</I>
+You need a BuildRequires: mxml-devel
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+&gt;<i> &gt; I am most definately missing something.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You need a BuildRequires: mxml-devel
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+Success! \o/
+Thank you so much.
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> if there's no objections, I'll push stable Xfce 4.10 from Cauldron to
+</I>&gt;<i> mga2 core/updates_testing in a couple of days as users have asked and
+</I>&gt;<i> requested it in IRC/bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently we have a mixture of stable and unstable versions of Xfce in
+</I>&gt;<i> mga2. Also, I've not faced problems with Xfce 4.10 in daily usage (in
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron, though) so it should be a pretty safe upgrade if all goes
+</I>&gt;<i> smoothly and like in movies. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll inform here and in -discuss when I'm going to start pushing and
+</I>&gt;<i> when it should be safe to start testing the new Xfce pkgs from
+</I>&gt;<i> core/updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I've prepared the xfce 4.10 core pkgs update in SVN and will start
+pushing pkgs to core/updates_testing.
+
+Will probably do the same later for pkgs (mainly plugins) needing
+rebuild against the new libxfce4util lib.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 29/06/12 16:48 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 29/06/12 16:30 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> conftest.c:70:12: error: 'SMBCCTX' has no member named 'close'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This seems to be a change in samba, SMBCCTX is from their header
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Reading the internet, it is normal to have this one to no :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> checking for libsmbclient.h... yes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> checking for SMBCCTX.flags... yes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> checking for SMBCCTX.close... no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> checking for smbc_option_get in -lsmbclient... yes
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah I guess it's just a red herring... I'm trying to work out why gvfs
+</I>&gt;<i> samba stuff seems to have broken... likely needs some newer version or
+</I>&gt;<i> something.
+</I>
+In actual fact the gvfs samba issue seems to be related to kerberos somehow.
+
+/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/4.7.1/../../../../lib64/libsmbclient.so:
+undefined reference to `<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">krb5_locate_kdc at krb5_3_MIT</A>'
+collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
+
+Rebuilding samba allowed this compilation to succeed.
+
+Hey ho.
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 29/06/12 23:38 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I post it here as it applies to various packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> Some systemd files still reference old udev services/targets, even some in
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd itself:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev.*\.service&quot; *
+</I>&gt;<i> fedora-wait-storage.service:After=udev-settle.service
+</I>&gt;<i> fedora-wait-storage.service:Wants=udev.service udev-settle.service
+</I>&gt;<i> mandriva-save-dmesg.service:After=udev-settle.service local-fs.target
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-udev-settle.service:After=udev-trigger.service
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev.*\.target&quot; *
+</I>&gt;<i> libvirtd.service:After=udev.target
+</I>&gt;<i> mandriva-save-dmesg.service:After=udev-settle.service local-fs.target
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Should not these change to refer to systemd-udev-* ?
+</I>
+Yup, I'll fix them up, but I want to rename systemd-udev* to
+systemd-udevd* as this better fits the other upstream daemon services.
+I've discussed with upstream so a patch will be submitted upstream too :)
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Charles A Edwards at 30/06/12 03:46 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> After updating systemd and the sundry other pkgs this evening I
+</I>&gt;<i> rebooted this system.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I have never used the nouveau driver.
+</I>&gt;<i> 	fron xorg.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Section &quot;Device&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>     Identifier &quot;device1&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>     VendorName &quot;nVidia Corporation&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>     BoardName &quot;&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>     Driver &quot;nvidia&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>     BusID &quot;PCI:1:0:0&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>     Option &quot;DPMS&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>     Option &quot;SLI&quot; &quot;Auto&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>     Option &quot;DynamicTwinView&quot; &quot;false&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>     Option &quot;AddARGBGLXVisuals&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>     Option &quot;IgnoreEDID&quot; &quot;1&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> EndSection
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> lilo append contains nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In spite of these facts All the nouveau modules are loaded and the
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia driver Can Not be used
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The only way I was able to fix this issue was to
+</I>&gt;<i> blacklist nouveau
+</I>
+OK, this will require a bit of investigation.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Issue #2
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I now have no sound.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Pulseaudio segfaults
+</I>
+Yup, I can reproduce this. I'll fix is sometime today.
+
+&gt;<i> and alsa fails.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> service alsa restart
+</I>&gt;<i> Restarting alsa (via systemctl):  Failed to issue method call: Unit
+</I>&gt;<i> alsa.service is masked. [FAILED]
+</I>
+That's expected. Both alsa and sound services are useless under systemd
+and are thus masked (this is how things are on mga2). They will be
+removed from Cauldron soon.
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
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+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 30/06/12 11:56 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Issue #2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I now have no sound.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pulseaudio segfaults
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup, I can reproduce this. I'll fix is sometime today.
+</I>
+Fixed in the latest build.
+
+Col
+
+
+
+-- 
+
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+    <B>Felix Miata</B> 
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+<PRE>On 2012/06/30 11:56 (GMT+0100) Colin Guthrie composed:
+
+&gt;<i> Charles A Edwards composed:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i>  lilo append contains nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  In spite of these facts All the nouveau modules are loaded and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  nvidia driver Can Not be used
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i>  The only way I was able to fix this issue was to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  blacklist nouveau
+</I>
+&gt;<i> OK, this will require a bit of investigation.
+</I>
+Re your investigation, I remember rather vaguely having a dysfunctional 
+nouveau block use of nv where the only solution was nouveau blacklisting some 
+months back, possibly as long ago as last summer, with both of my older 
+nvidia systems. What I don't remember was with which kernels, or whether it 
+was in devel of Mandriva, openSUSE, Fedora and/or Gentoo. Those two boxes 
+have never yet had Mageia installed. I think it most likely openSUSE 12.1 
+Factory, and ISTR discussion on the subject on openSUSE mailing list(s) at 
+the time being a pervasive problem.
+-- 
+&quot;The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
+words are persuasive.&quot; Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
+
+  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 30/06/12 11:38 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 29/06/12 23:38 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I post it here as it applies to various packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some systemd files still reference old udev services/targets, even some in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systemd itself:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev.*\.service&quot; *
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fedora-wait-storage.service:After=udev-settle.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fedora-wait-storage.service:Wants=udev.service udev-settle.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mandriva-save-dmesg.service:After=udev-settle.service local-fs.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systemd-udev-settle.service:After=udev-trigger.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev.*\.target&quot; *
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libvirtd.service:After=udev.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mandriva-save-dmesg.service:After=udev-settle.service local-fs.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Should not these change to refer to systemd-udev-* ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup, I'll fix them up, but I want to rename systemd-udev* to
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-udevd* as this better fits the other upstream daemon services.
+</I>&gt;<i> I've discussed with upstream so a patch will be submitted upstream too :)
+</I>
+These should all be fixed in the next build.
+
+Col
+
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+    <B>Stefan Wilhelm</B> 
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+<PRE>HI everybody!   :-)
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+As suggested in the Mageia wiki here is an email to make some advertising
+for my feature request for Cauldron3.
+
+Before Mageia I was using Pardus and in the last version there was a very
+handy tool introduced:   Quickformat
+Maybe it is possible to implement this handy tool into Mageia although it
+is not longer maintained.
+IMHO those little tools help to break the edges and proof that is is
+created not only with brain, also with heart.
+Maybe You have to remove some specific pardus code but is should not be a
+big deal for an expert.  :o)
+
+Here is my proposal request in the wiki:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Quickformat">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Quickformat</A>
+
+btw: thanks for all Your outstanding work! Mageia2 is a shining star!
+
+
+Cheers,
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/06/12 16:00 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 29.06.2012 17:22, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone please fix?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That means either build mesa git, or pull in this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=6d1cdec3ba151168bfc3aef222fba6265dfb41fb">http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=6d1cdec3ba151168bfc3aef222fba6265dfb41fb</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And all needed fixes after...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I vote to go to git... what's the worst that can happen :D
+</I>
+Hmm, mesa git needs newer wayland.... following the chain...
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 29/06/12 16:12 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/06/12 16:00 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 29.06.2012 17:22, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone please fix?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That means either build mesa git, or pull in this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=6d1cdec3ba151168bfc3aef222fba6265dfb41fb">http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=6d1cdec3ba151168bfc3aef222fba6265dfb41fb</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And all needed fixes after...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I vote to go to git... what's the worst that can happen :D
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, mesa git needs newer wayland.... following the chain...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I think the least painful thing right now would be to back out the
+libdrm_nouveau-2.0 merge from current libdrm  (iirc ~4 patches) so
+we can get current mesa rebuilt right now.
+
+That would give some time to work on newer mesa...
+
+--
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 30/06/12 17:35 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 30.06.2012 19:12, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 29/06/12 16:12 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/06/12 16:00 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 29.06.2012 17:22, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone please fix?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That means either build mesa git, or pull in this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=6d1cdec3ba151168bfc3aef222fba6265dfb41fb">http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=6d1cdec3ba151168bfc3aef222fba6265dfb41fb</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And all needed fixes after...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I vote to go to git... what's the worst that can happen :D
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, mesa git needs newer wayland.... following the chain...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the least painful thing right now would be to back out the
+</I>&gt;<i> libdrm_nouveau-2.0 merge from current libdrm  (iirc ~4 patches) so
+</I>&gt;<i> we can get current mesa rebuilt right now.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That would give some time to work on newer mesa...
+</I>
+That seems somewhat sensible.
+
+Even with the latest wayland mesa git is having issues building...
+
+g++ -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--build-id
+-Wl,--enable-new-dtags -L/usr/lib64/llvm  -lpthread -lffi -ldl -lm
+lp_test_blend.o lp_test_main.o -o lp_test_blend -Wl,--start-group
+-L../../auxiliary/ -lgallium libllvmpipe.a -lLLVM  -lXext -lXdamage
+-lXfixes -lX11-xcb -lX11 -lxcb-glx -lxcb -lXxf86vm   -ldrm   -lm
+-lpthread -ldl -Wl,--end-group
+/usr/bin/ld: ../../auxiliary//libgallium.a(u_dl.o): undefined reference
+to symbol 'dlclose@@GLIBC_2.2.5'
+/usr/bin/ld: note: 'dlclose@@GLIBC_2.2.5' is defined in DSO
+/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/4.7.1/../../../../lib64/libdl.so so
+try adding it to the linker command line
+/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/4.7.1/../../../../lib64/libdl.so:
+could not read symbols: Invalid operation
+collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
+
+
+So the suggested fix of adding -ldl shouldn't be needed as -ldl is
+already there! Could be a weird ordering quirk I guess - certainly
+manually placing the -ldl outside of the -Wl,--start-group block does
+fix it... too much fu for me tho'.
+
+Col
+
+-- 
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 30/06/12 17:46 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 30/06/12 17:35 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 30.06.2012 19:12, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 29/06/12 16:12 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/06/12 16:00 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 29.06.2012 17:22, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone please fix?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That means either build mesa git, or pull in this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=6d1cdec3ba151168bfc3aef222fba6265dfb41fb">http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=6d1cdec3ba151168bfc3aef222fba6265dfb41fb</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And all needed fixes after...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I vote to go to git... what's the worst that can happen :D
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, mesa git needs newer wayland.... following the chain...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think the least painful thing right now would be to back out the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libdrm_nouveau-2.0 merge from current libdrm  (iirc ~4 patches) so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we can get current mesa rebuilt right now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That would give some time to work on newer mesa...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That seems somewhat sensible.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Even with the latest wayland mesa git is having issues building...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> g++ -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--build-id
+</I>&gt;<i> -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -L/usr/lib64/llvm  -lpthread -lffi -ldl -lm
+</I>&gt;<i> lp_test_blend.o lp_test_main.o -o lp_test_blend -Wl,--start-group
+</I>&gt;<i> -L../../auxiliary/ -lgallium libllvmpipe.a -lLLVM  -lXext -lXdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> -lXfixes -lX11-xcb -lX11 -lxcb-glx -lxcb -lXxf86vm   -ldrm   -lm
+</I>&gt;<i> -lpthread -ldl -Wl,--end-group
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin/ld: ../../auxiliary//libgallium.a(u_dl.o): undefined reference
+</I>&gt;<i> to symbol 'dlclose@@GLIBC_2.2.5'
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin/ld: note: 'dlclose@@GLIBC_2.2.5' is defined in DSO
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/4.7.1/../../../../lib64/libdl.so so
+</I>&gt;<i> try adding it to the linker command line
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/4.7.1/../../../../lib64/libdl.so:
+</I>&gt;<i> could not read symbols: Invalid operation
+</I>&gt;<i> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So the suggested fix of adding -ldl shouldn't be needed as -ldl is
+</I>&gt;<i> already there! Could be a weird ordering quirk I guess - certainly
+</I>&gt;<i> manually placing the -ldl outside of the -Wl,--start-group block does
+</I>&gt;<i> fix it... too much fu for me tho'.
+</I>
+OK, so I've backed out the patches in libdrm and rebuilt mesa but now
+x11-driver-video-nouveau doesn't build (unsurprisingly).
+
+I've not got much more time to poke at this today, so hopefully the
+maintainer can pick it up.
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 28/06/12 01:55 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> A lot of packages need rebuilding against libavformat/libavcodec.so.53:
+</I>&gt;<i> gnash
+</I>&gt;<i> gpac
+</I>&gt;<i> grass
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64moon0
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64valhalla2
+</I>&gt;<i> libquicktime
+</I>&gt;<i> lives
+</I>&gt;<i> qutecom
+</I>&gt;<i> transcode
+</I>&gt;<i> ultrastardx
+</I>&gt;<i> vdr-plugin-osdpip
+</I>&gt;<i> x264
+</I>&gt;<i> xbmc
+</I>&gt;<i> zoneminder
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> See urpmf --requires libavcodec.so.53|sort -u &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmf --requires libavformat.so.53|sort -u
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> See you
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I've added plenty patches to libvalhalla (most from upstream) to make it
+build. I had to add two custom patches (not upstream) also. I've no idea
+if it's the right way to do things, so the maintainer should really look
+at it.
+
+(I looked at this because I needed to rebuilt enna for new udev - and it
+wouldn't build due to libvalhalla issue)
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
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+    <B>Buchan Milne</B> 
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+<PRE>On Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:25:10 Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> So,
+</I>&gt;<i> we have been discussing this many times, and not gotten any
+</I>&gt;<i> satisfactory decision to go ahead yet...
+</I>
+Sorry for the late reply, but as some of you are aware, I have had some 
+problems replying to Mageia-related mails (which are finally resolved).
+
+&gt;<i> First off, we decided long ago that backports will be
+</I>&gt;<i> better supported than during mdv times,
+</I>
+This may be an unfair generalisation.
+
+&gt;<i> meaning security
+</I>&gt;<i> and bugfixes and has to pass QA.
+</I>
+In some cases, this is a basic feature of backports. For example, the primary 
+targets of my backports typically ship new releases for any security fix, and 
+bugfixes are typically released in new releases (and only in severe cases do 
+we cherry-pick the bugfix from a new release for a bugfix update).
+
+In the case of samba, openldap etc., my primary motivation for wanting 
+backports is so that we can provide early bugfixes (which in most cases have 
+been well tested by the rest of the upstream community) with less delay than 
+cherry-picking bugfixes, QA, etc.
+
+The other motivation for me, is to make newly packaged software in cauldron 
+available to stable releases. The probability of a security update being 
+required is usually quite low in this case.
+
+&gt;<i> Now for references:
+</I>&gt;<i> * we have the backports policy:
+</I>&gt;<i>    <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Backports_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Backports_policy</A>
+</I>
+I think we are over-engineering everything here.
+
+See for example:
+<A HREF="https://www.google.com/search?q=%22main/backports%20openldap-2.4%22%20site:lists.mandriva.com">https://www.google.com/search?q=%22main/backports%20openldap-2.4%22%20site:lists.mandriva.com</A>
+
+For openldap, since upstream doesn't really look at bugs on old releases, I 
+backported every new release to every version that had a build system 
+available.
+
+In all that time, there was only ever one bug reported on the backports, due 
+to a NMU backport.
+
+&gt;<i> * Last discussions started by Stormi:
+</I>&gt;<i>    * [Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</I>&gt;<i>      <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016265.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016265.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>    * [Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</I>&gt;<i>      <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016263.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016263.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> * It also came up in the discussion about fixing bug 2317:
+</I>&gt;<i>    * [Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like
+</I>&gt;<i> --search-media
+</I>&gt;<i>       <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016692.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016692.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> People seem to agree on most things, but there is a few questions
+</I>&gt;<i> that need to be decided how to handle.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Lets start with the summary and suggestion of how to get it started:
+</I>&gt;<i> (addendum / refinements / important points of current backports policy)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> * backports is supported as long as the rest of the release
+</I>
+But this is not a committment to always backport every already-backported 
+package.
+
+&gt;<i> * packages must always be in cauldron first
+</I>
+Of course.
+
+&gt;<i> * if you want to backport a package someone else is maintainer
+</I>&gt;<i>    for, you need to discuss with maintainer first. if he dont
+</I>&gt;<i>    want the package to be backported _and_ have valid reasons,
+</I>&gt;<i>    respect that. (if you disagree, you can still ask council)
+</I>&gt;<i> * if you backport anything, (regardless if you are the real
+</I>&gt;<i>    maintainer or not) you accept the responsibility of
+</I>&gt;<i>    handling the bugreports against the backport and make sure
+</I>&gt;<i>    it gets patched (or upgraded) to get security fixes.
+</I>&gt;<i> * cherrypicking backports must work, so requires need
+</I>&gt;<i>    to be checked and be strict to make sure they work
+</I>
+Agreed, but it is not critical to QA every possible combination of packages. 
+Users are able to resolve these problems themselves, and report the problem.
+
+&gt;<i> * nothing in backports must require the use of &quot;--nodeps&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>    or &quot;--force&quot; to get it to install
+</I>&gt;<i> * QA will do basic tests to make sure it works and obeys the rules
+</I>&gt;<i> * QA can deny package(s) to be backported if it breaks the policy
+</I>&gt;<i> * QA has /updates as priority, and /backports will be handled
+</I>&gt;<i>    if/when there is time, so if you want faster response, join QA
+</I>&gt;<i>    to help out with the workload.
+</I>
+Hmm, in many cases, I actually test backports on the stable release myself 
+before submitting them ... I am concerned QA will become a bottle-neck that 
+doesn't necessarily always add much value.
+
+&gt;<i> Now a point that got raised during discussion of bug 2317:
+</I>&gt;<i> * if a backport break because of something ending up in /updates
+</I>&gt;<i>    it's a bug to be reported against the backport (and not against
+</I>&gt;<i>    the released update) as packages ending up in /updates are only
+</I>&gt;<i>    validated against /release and /updates (and rightfully so as
+</I>&gt;<i>    thats how they are built too)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And some important points to avoid making backports_testing a
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;dumping ground&quot; for package(r)s trying to avoid the policy:
+</I>&gt;<i> * after submitting anything to backports_testing you have
+</I>&gt;<i>    48 hours to file/assign a &quot;Backport to validate&quot; at
+</I>&gt;<i>    bugs.mageia.org.
+</I>&gt;<i> * package needs to be validated within 1 month (or shorter/longer
+</I>&gt;<i>    time if QA wants that)
+</I>&gt;<i> * failure to match any of the two timelimits will get the
+</I>&gt;<i>    package removed from updates_testing again. (I understand this
+</I>&gt;<i>    will get some questions, but if we cant get people to help out
+</I>&gt;<i>    with QA we might as well never open backports)
+</I>
+I would prefer if we could crowd-source and automate this, otherwise, again, 
+this will be the bottle-neck.
+
+&gt;<i> And then the questions we need to decide on:
+</I>&gt;<i> (substitute mga1/mga2 for any future release...)
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Do we support backporting package with higher version
+</I>&gt;<i>     than package in the following next mageia release has ?
+</I>&gt;<i>     (meaning if mga1 has v12, and mga2 has v14, is it ok
+</I>&gt;<i>      to backport v16 to mga1?)
+</I>
+As long as it was backported to mga2 first.
+
+&gt;<i>     * PRO: more uptodate package in backports
+</I>&gt;<i>     * CON: can cause trouble during distro upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i>     * imho both technically ok as long as we make sure
+</I>&gt;<i>       its documented so people know what to expect.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+E.g., if upgrading from mga1 to mga2 and having used backports  after mga2 
+release, the users should enable backports in mga2 during upgrade, or post-
+upgrade.
+
+&gt;<i> 2. If one want to backport a package to mga1, does it mean
+</I>&gt;<i>     it must be backported to mga2 in order to preserve
+</I>&gt;<i>     upgrade path (unless already in mga2, depending on
+</I>&gt;<i>     question 1)?
+</I>
+Yes.
+
+&gt;<i> And since we can continue this what/if discussion forever,
+</I>&gt;<i> and thereby delay backports even more here is my take on it:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> my suggestions to decide on question 1 and 2:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. backporting bigger version to mga1 than mga2 has is
+</I>&gt;<i>     allowed as it will otherwise restrict backporting
+</I>&gt;<i>     too much. (and since its leaf packages, it should
+</I>&gt;<i>     not break (too much)). Lets just make it clear to
+</I>&gt;<i>     everyone using backports.
+</I>
+What about an update to a backport for a security issue?
+
+&gt;<i> 2. we cant really require that as the one backporting
+</I>&gt;<i>     the package to mga1 has to backport it to mga2 too
+</I>&gt;<i>     as he/she might not be using mga2 at all. if someone
+</I>&gt;<i>     wants/needs the backport for mga2, they need to
+</I>&gt;<i>     request that. (in reality, going by how backports
+</I>&gt;<i>     got handled in mdv most backports will end up in
+</I>&gt;<i>     all supported releases anyway)
+</I>
+Typically, if it backports easily to mga1, it will backport more easily to 
+mga2.
+
+&gt;<i> If we can agree on this as a start, we can open backports
+</I>&gt;<i> soon so we get actual facts of how backports policy and
+</I>&gt;<i> process works.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we rewiew backports policy and process in ~6 months,
+</I>&gt;<i> and adjust it if needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Comments? Questions ?
+</I>
+I think we may want to review this policy one month after we open backports, 
+as I think some pieces in the process/policy may not scale as well as the 
+others.
+
+Regards,
+Buchan
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+         <b>Messages:</b> 1004<p>
+     <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016193.html">[Mageia-dev] mplayer vdpau backend broken
+</A><A NAME="16193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple .
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016333.html">[Mageia-dev] Crashes with Firefox 13 + Flash (inc. fix)
+</A><A NAME="16333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple .
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016050.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016054.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016056.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016096.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016098.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016108.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016115.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016169.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016205.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016225.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016301.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016302.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016342.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016341.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:Grub2AsDefault (need adopters)
+</A><A NAME="16341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016344.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:InstallerLeftSideRedesign (need	adopters/comments)
+</A><A NAME="16344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016345.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign (need help with this)
+</A><A NAME="16345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016362.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016363.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016397.html">[Mageia-dev] QT3 in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="16397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016403.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016406.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016573.html">[Mageia-dev] bug in urpmi-proxy
+</A><A NAME="16573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016576.html">[Mageia-dev] bug in urpmi-proxy
+</A><A NAME="16576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016631.html">[Mageia-dev] bug in urpmi-proxy
+</A><A NAME="16631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016633.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016664.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016692.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016693.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016699.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016700.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016704.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016708.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016709.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016712.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016714.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016715.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016718.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016722.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016739.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016743.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016744.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016752.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016753.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016754.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016759.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016760.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016763.html">[Mageia-dev] A Usable Browser Media Playback Plugin At Last -	npapi-vlc-2.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016765.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016766.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016769.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016770.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016784.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016785.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016786.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016790.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016801.html">[Mageia-dev] Streamtuner &amp; Streamripper - MIA
+</A><A NAME="16801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016820.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016826.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016834.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016835.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron mariadb planned changes
+</A><A NAME="16835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016866.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016868.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016869.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016870.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016896.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016898.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016904.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016930.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016942.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016948.html">[Mageia-dev] BACKPORTS: Resources needed to do the actual work
+</A><A NAME="16948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016970.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016852.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
+</A><A NAME="16852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016046.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016062.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016065.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016067.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016080.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016086.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016087.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016125.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016165.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016168.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016188.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016191.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016195.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016213.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016230.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016232.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016240.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssh-6.0p1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016255.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016256.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016315.html">[Mageia-dev] coreutils runuser pam config (aka cyrus-imapd refuses to start on mga2).
+</A><A NAME="16315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016320.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016339.html">[Mageia-dev] [updates-announce] MGASA-2012-0107: quagga-0.99.18-1.2.mga1 (1/core)
+</A><A NAME="16339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016373.html">[Mageia-dev] GCC and GLIBC plans for mga3
+</A><A NAME="16373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016400.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016430.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016740.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016742.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016823.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016855.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016857.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016861.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016880.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016881.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016887.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016894.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016899.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016900.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016909.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016912.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017011.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017039.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016340.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016346.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016607.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from Fedora	RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016984.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9 for cauldron?
+</A><A NAME="16984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016985.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	alacarte-3.5.3-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016123.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016202.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove packages
+</A><A NAME="16202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016228.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove packages
+</A><A NAME="16228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016401.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-artwork] Mageia 2 beta 3 available for	tests
+</A><A NAME="16401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016357.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Xavier Bertaux
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016063.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016064.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016480.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016481.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016482.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016490.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016506.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016507.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016510.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016092.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016095.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016097.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016102.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016104.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016114.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016154.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016162.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016163.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016166.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016192.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016780.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016556.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security issues)
+</A><A NAME="16556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016596.html">[Mageia-dev] Switch to man-db
+</A><A NAME="16596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016602.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016621.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016623.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016640.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016643.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016647.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016649.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016674.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016677.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016681.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016686.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with package versions
+</A><A NAME="16686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016687.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016850.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016957.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python 2
+</A><A NAME="16957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016048.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016051.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016055.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016057.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016173.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016555.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016557.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016558.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016592.html">[Mageia-dev] Lemonldap-ng's spec rewrite
+</A><A NAME="16592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016603.html">[Mageia-dev] Lemonldap-ng's spec rewrite
+</A><A NAME="16603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016615.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng-1.2.0
+</A><A NAME="16615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016703.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016705.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016734.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016701.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016958.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016534.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016156.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4789] really use oxygen theme
+</A><A NAME="16156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hugo Pereira Da Costa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016081.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="16081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016089.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016091.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016160.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016088.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016120.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016233.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016375.html">[Mageia-dev] sun java issue for mga 1 handling
+</A><A NAME="16375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016435.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016436.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016518.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016521.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016535.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016537.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016597.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016600.html">[Mageia-dev] Lemonldap-ng's spec rewrite
+</A><A NAME="16600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016666.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016671.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lmms-0.4.13-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016702.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016767.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016771.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016773.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016863.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017009.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017010.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016571.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016604.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016629.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016660.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016815.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 6493] &quot;simplew&quot; Should be Granted a Commit Bit
+</A><A NAME="16815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016824.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 6493] &quot;simplew&quot; Should be Granted a Commit Bit
+</A><A NAME="16824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016825.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 6493] &quot;simplew&quot; Should be Granted a Commit Bit
+</A><A NAME="16825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016249.html">[Mageia-dev] No updated Cauldron packages?
+</A><A NAME="16249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016260.html">[Mageia-dev] No updated Cauldron packages?  ;SOLVED]
+</A><A NAME="16260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016667.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016455.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016478.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016799.html">[Mageia-dev] [help] does openmpi works under iurt?
+</A><A NAME="16799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016041.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] New file uploaded: a36225e1f08cc8078bf770307f6855bd1c5a55c0 - Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.054.tar.gz
+</A><A NAME="16041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016042.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] New file uploaded: a36225e1f08cc8078bf770307f6855bd1c5a55c0 - Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.054.tar.gz
+</A><A NAME="16042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016234.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34991.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016250.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssl-1.0.1c-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016257.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	task-obsolete-3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017026.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016652.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade: Seamonkey 2.10.1
+</A><A NAME="16652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eric Elena
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016235.html">[Mageia-dev] Giving maint or comaint for the packages here - http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/updates.html
+</A><A NAME="16235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016325.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016350.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016366.html">[Mageia-dev] How to Test the new uClibc?
+</A><A NAME="16366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016377.html">[Mageia-dev] GCC and GLIBC plans for mga3
+</A><A NAME="16377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016405.html">[Mageia-dev] Old OpenSSL HOWTO [was Re:  openssl regression]
+</A><A NAME="16405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016524.html">[Mageia-dev] Fortune Cookies Collections Policy
+</A><A NAME="16524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016565.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016579.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016762.html">[Mageia-dev] A Usable Browser Media Playback Plugin At Last - npapi-vlc-2.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016777.html">[Mageia-dev] A Usable Browser Media Playback Plugin At Last - npapi-vlc-2.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016795.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016321.html">[Mageia-dev] Don't get it -
+</A><A NAME="16321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016324.html">[Mageia-dev] Don't get it -
+</A><A NAME="16324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016517.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016527.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016651.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016658.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016798.html">[Mageia-dev] Streamtuner &amp; Streamripper - MIA
+</A><A NAME="16798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016035.html">[Mageia-dev] fglrx-8.961-3.mga3 not working with kernel-server-3.4.1-0.rc1.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016058.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016252.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016264.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels
+</A><A NAME="16264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016266.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016336.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016343.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016348.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016934.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016968.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016977.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016394.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016396.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016437.html">[Mageia-dev] Wine MONO/Gecko
+</A><A NAME="16437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016447.html">[Mageia-dev] resolvconf and DHCP domain-search
+</A><A NAME="16447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016461.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016605.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016612.html">[Mageia-dev] 64-bit urpmi not &quot;seeing&quot; Core 32 even if enabled ?
+</A><A NAME="16612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016618.html">[Mageia-dev] 64-bit urpmi not &quot;seeing&quot; Core 32 even if enabled ?
+</A><A NAME="16618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016043.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016099.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016100.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="16100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016101.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016103.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016111.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating usb_modeswitch in mga2
+</A><A NAME="16111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016118.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016124.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016126.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016129.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating usb_modeswitch in mga2
+</A><A NAME="16129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016133.html">[Mageia-dev] libcec &quot;static lib&quot; problem...
+</A><A NAME="16133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016134.html">[Mageia-dev] libcec &quot;static lib&quot; problem...
+</A><A NAME="16134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016135.html">[Mageia-dev] coreutils runuser pam config (aka cyrus-imapd refuses to start on mga2).
+</A><A NAME="16135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016175.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016176.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016182.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016185.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016187.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016189.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016207.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016212.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016269.html">[Mageia-dev] coreutils runuser pam config (aka cyrus-imapd refuses to start on mga2).
+</A><A NAME="16269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016284.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016332.html">[Mageia-dev] Crashes with Firefox 13 + Flash (inc. fix)
+</A><A NAME="16332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016355.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016358.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016367.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016369.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016370.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016371.html">[Mageia-dev] Freeze push: libmbfl
+</A><A NAME="16371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016372.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016376.html">[Mageia-dev] GCC and GLIBC plans for mga3
+</A><A NAME="16376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016381.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016398.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016399.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016422.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016460.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016472.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016493.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016494.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016495.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016520.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016536.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016541.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016584.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016585.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016586.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016593.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing	systemd-185-0.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016594.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016595.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016601.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016611.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from Fedora RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016614.html">[Mageia-dev] 64-bit urpmi not &quot;seeing&quot; Core 32 even if enabled ?
+</A><A NAME="16614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016619.html">[Mageia-dev] 64-bit urpmi not &quot;seeing&quot; Core 32 even if enabled ?
+</A><A NAME="16619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016625.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016635.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016638.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016650.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016707.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016730.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016731.html">[Mageia-dev] 'Cauldron' version is not report anymore
+</A><A NAME="16731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016732.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016733.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016737.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016750.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016772.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016778.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016807.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016809.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016814.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016818.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016831.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016832.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016833.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016839.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016843.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016848.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016851.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016853.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
+</A><A NAME="16853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016882.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016915.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016960.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016967.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016981.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016982.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016988.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016996.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="16996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016998.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="16998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017001.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017005.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017006.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017008.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017012.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017015.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017031.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017032.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017033.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017034.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017036.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017038.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017040.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017041.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017043.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against	libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="17043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016337.html">[Mageia-dev] [updates-announce] MGASA-2012-0107:	quagga-0.99.18-1.2.mga1 (1/core)
+</A><A NAME="16337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016582.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016659.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016483.html">[Mageia-dev] proposed feature: installer cleanup
+</A><A NAME="16483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steve Havelka
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016077.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016093.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016113.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4791] revert last commit: as stated by the comment, this is _NOT_ the boot loader
+</A><A NAME="16113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016530.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016128.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating usb_modeswitch in mga2
+</A><A NAME="16128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016161.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016199.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016200.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016203.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion to obsolete ncpfs for Mageia 3.
+</A><A NAME="16203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016298.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016407.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-artwork] Mageia 2 beta 3 available for	tests
+</A><A NAME="16407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016443.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016446.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016516.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016724.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016764.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016550.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016119.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating usb_modeswitch in mga2
+</A><A NAME="16119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016975.html">[Mageia-dev] Current status of Mageia ARM port
+</A><A NAME="16975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016132.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016136.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016793.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016282.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken web  link
+</A><A NAME="16282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016528.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016531.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016347.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016349.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016551.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016522.html">[Mageia-dev] [PATCH]: fix %setup with ruby gems for rpmbuild
+</A><A NAME="16522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016661.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016140.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016143.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016147.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016979.html">[Mageia-dev] Severe Memory Leakage about X with AMD graphic cards.
+</A><A NAME="16979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016078.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016547.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016670.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lmms-0.4.13-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016672.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lmms-0.4.13-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016061.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016070.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016106.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016110.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016148.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016151.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016180.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bcd-3.7-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016217.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016267.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016271.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016274.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016294.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016305.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016314.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016316.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016327.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016368.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016444.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016529.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016532.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016540.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016545.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016548.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016637.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016654.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016676.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016694.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016697.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016698.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016713.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016716.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016721.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016728.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016729.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016748.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016749.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016756.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016757.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016761.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016858.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016877.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016878.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016901.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016991.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="16991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016259.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016837.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016844.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016845.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016849.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016854.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016198.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016201.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016239.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssh-6.0p1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016241.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssh-6.0p1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016308.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016408.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016410.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016589.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016627.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016628.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016913.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016990.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="16990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017004.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="17004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017023.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016695.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016152.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016351.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016816.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016105.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017035.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016149.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017057.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="17057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016068.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016071.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016073.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016222.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016238.html">[Mageia-dev] Giving maint or comaint for the packages here -	http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/updates.html
+</A><A NAME="16238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016243.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016258.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016272.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016273.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016278.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016280.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016283.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016290.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016303.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016304.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016328.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016329.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016331.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016359.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DrakXtoolsReview
+</A><A NAME="16359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016424.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016425.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016431.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016432.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Accessibility in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="16432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016454.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016463.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016473.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DrakXtoolsReview
+</A><A NAME="16473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016474.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016496.html">[Mageia-dev] QA bugs for MGA1 and MGA2
+</A><A NAME="16496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016538.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016539.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016543.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016546.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016727.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016888.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016889.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016916.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016928.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016943.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016950.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="16950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016961.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016082.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016153.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016171.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016174.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016179.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4806] 3.7
+</A><A NAME="16179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016184.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bcd-3.7-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016214.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016216.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for new feature: non-free DVD iso
+</A><A NAME="16216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016242.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016244.html">[Mageia-dev] #2317: --update option should behave like --search-media &lt;list of the update media&gt;
+</A><A NAME="16244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016415.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016426.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature: Dynamic screen for packages choice
+</A><A NAME="16426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016452.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016462.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016497.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016498.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016774.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016776.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016112.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016309.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016311.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016310.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016313.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016312.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016317.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016412.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016416.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016421.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016420.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016514.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016562.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016566.html">[Mageia-dev] Fortune Cookies Collections Policy
+</A><A NAME="16566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016568.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016567.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016632.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016622.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016624.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016645.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016040.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016572.html">[Mageia-dev] bug in urpmi-proxy
+</A><A NAME="16572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016049.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016758.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016804.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016292.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016293.html">[Mageia-dev] #2317: --update option should behave like --search-media &lt;list of the update media&gt;
+</A><A NAME="16293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016356.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016365.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016379.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016382.html">[Mageia-dev] #2317: --update option should behave like --search-media &lt;list of the update media&gt;
+</A><A NAME="16382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016434.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016479.html">[Mageia-dev] QA bugs for MGA1 and MGA2
+</A><A NAME="16479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016544.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016552.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016679.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016684.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016717.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016719.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016738.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016741.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016745.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016755.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016905.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016194.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016246.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016287.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016323.html">[Mageia-dev] Don't get it -
+</A><A NAME="16323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016360.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016414.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016423.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016456.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016459.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016492.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016500.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016511.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016588.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016682.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016685.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016689.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016735.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016747.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016808.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016829.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016836.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016962.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016986.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016989.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016997.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="16997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016999.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017002.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016197.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016409.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016438.html">[Mageia-dev] Wine MONO/Gecko
+</A><A NAME="16438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016513.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia mentor
+</A><A NAME="16513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016662.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016864.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
+</A><A NAME="16864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016107.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016109.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016219.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo commit question
+</A><A NAME="16219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016227.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo commit question
+</A><A NAME="16227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016439.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016440.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016468.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DrakXtoolsReview
+</A><A NAME="16468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016475.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DrakXtoolsReview
+</A><A NAME="16475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016657.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016720.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016725.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo, svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016736.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016787.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016792.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016794.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016847.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize	display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016932.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016954.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016955.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016992.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016994.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo, svn and working from external debian	server
+</A><A NAME="16994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016995.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017000.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017003.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017007.html">[Mageia-dev] [SOLVED] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017016.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017020.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017024.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017027.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017029.html">[Mageia-dev] [SOLVED] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016380.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016411.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016484.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016039.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016060.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016032.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016033.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016052.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016322.html">[Mageia-dev] Don't get it -
+</A><A NAME="16322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016352.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016458.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016523.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016688.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016800.html">[Mageia-dev] [help] does openmpi works under iurt?
+</A><A NAME="16800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017013.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017014.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017017.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017019.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="17019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017021.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017025.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017028.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016726.html">[Mageia-dev] 'Cauldron' version is not report anymore
+</A><A NAME="16726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016876.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016879.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016884.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016646.html">[Mageia-dev] [cauldron]SSL disabled due to library version mismatch
+</A><A NAME="16646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016453.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016457.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016464.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016951.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="16951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016696.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016897.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016083.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016084.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016559.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016569.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016616.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016796.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016891.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting on Thursday 28th at 17.30 UTC
+</A><A NAME="16891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016892.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting on Thursday 28th at 17.30 UTC
+</A><A NAME="16892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016902.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016072.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016075.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016218.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016226.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016263.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016265.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016268.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016279.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016281.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016289.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016295.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016296.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016299.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016300.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016791.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016895.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016911.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016923.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016034.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-5.16.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016036.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-5.16.0-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016037.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016044.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-IO-Compress-2.52.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016059.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016066.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016085.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4784] use oxygen-gtk theme
+</A><A NAME="16085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016122.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4791] revert last commit: as stated by the comment, this is _NOT_ the boot loader
+</A><A NAME="16122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016131.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016137.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016142.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libxcb-1.8.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016150.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016392.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4789] really use oxygen theme
+</A><A NAME="16392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016155.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016157.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4789] really use oxygen theme
+</A><A NAME="16157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016177.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016178.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4806] 3.7
+</A><A NAME="16178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016206.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016208.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016209.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016210.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016224.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016231.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	x11-driver-input-aiptek-1.4.1-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016236.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron tainted/release	mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34991.1.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="16236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016262.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels
+</A><A NAME="16262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016286.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openttd-opensfx-0.2.3-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016297.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-HTML-Links-Localize-0.2.7-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016307.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016326.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	viewvc-1.1.13-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016374.html">[Mageia-dev] GCC and GLIBC plans for mga3
+</A><A NAME="16374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016378.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016395.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016417.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016419.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016485.html">[Mageia-dev] proposed feature: installer cleanup
+</A><A NAME="16485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016486.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016487.html">[Mageia-dev] How to Test the new uClibc?
+</A><A NAME="16487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016499.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4943] - Fixed German translation
+</A><A NAME="16499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016526.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016542.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016590.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing	systemd-185-0.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016591.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing	systemd-185-0.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016598.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4978] update distro credit for	mageia
+</A><A NAME="16598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016613.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4978] update distro credit for	mageia
+</A><A NAME="16613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016626.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016634.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016648.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016656.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016663.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lmms-0.4.13-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016668.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016669.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from Fedora	RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016706.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016710.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016711.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016751.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016810.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016811.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016828.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016840.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016841.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016871.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-HTML-HTML5-Entities-0.3.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016885.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016890.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016907.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016910.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016918.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016952.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4436] german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead of &quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; ( mga#3791)
+</A><A NAME="16952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016953.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against	libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="16953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016976.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gcc-4.7.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016978.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gcc-4.7.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017022.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="17022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016038.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016121.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016130.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016138.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016139.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016141.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016146.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016158.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016159.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016164.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016167.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016170.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016181.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016183.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016196.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016211.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016223.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo commit question
+</A><A NAME="16223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016429.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016465.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016467.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016470.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016508.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016561.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016636.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016641.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016644.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016830.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016838.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016842.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016846.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016859.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016860.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016862.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016872.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016924.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016933.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016945.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016947.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016949.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016956.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python 2
+</A><A NAME="16956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016959.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python	2
+</A><A NAME="16959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016963.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016965.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016971.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016972.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016987.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release alacarte-3.5.3-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016074.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016090.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016094.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016254.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssl-1.0.1c-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016261.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	task-obsolete-3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016285.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openttd-1.2.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016469.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	gambas3-3.1.1-1.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="16469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016578.html">[Mageia-dev] unable to install lib64tiger-devel
+</A><A NAME="16578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016580.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016873.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016914.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016925.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016931.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016974.html">[Mageia-dev] Xfce 4.10 update for mga2
+</A><A NAME="16974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017030.html">[Mageia-dev] Xfce 4.10 update for mga2
+</A><A NAME="17030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016116.html">[Mageia-dev] Forum support: your help is needed!
+</A><A NAME="16116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016204.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016215.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for new feature: non-free DVD iso
+</A><A NAME="16215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016237.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="16237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016270.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="16270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016276.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="16276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016413.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Accessibility in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="16413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016442.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass ping: continued
+</A><A NAME="16442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016775.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016817.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016867.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016936.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016939.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016969.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016076.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016079.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016117.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016127.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016144.html">[Mageia-dev] DistroWatch review
+</A><A NAME="16144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016190.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016353.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron tainted/release	mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34991.1.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="16353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016354.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016466.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016471.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016476.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016503.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016509.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016512.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016533.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016554.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016581.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016587.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016610.html">[Mageia-dev] Switch to man-db
+</A><A NAME="16610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016781.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed-0.90.0-13.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016782.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016783.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016797.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016821.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016822.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016827.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016919.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016973.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="16973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017018.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="17018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016069.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016145.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libxcb-1.8.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016338.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016418.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016477.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016491.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016504.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016570.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016609.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4978] update distro credit for	mageia
+</A><A NAME="16609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016908.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016983.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9 for cauldron?
+</A><A NAME="16983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016690.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016691.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017037.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefan Wilhelm
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016045.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016047.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016229.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016247.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016248.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels
+</A><A NAME="16248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016275.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken web  link
+</A><A NAME="16275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016277.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016813.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016502.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016053.html">[Mageia-dev] Volunteering to [attempt] packaging.
+</A><A NAME="16053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016172.html">[Mageia-dev]   mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016288.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016291.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016318.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016319.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016330.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016334.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016335.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016427.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016428.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016433.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016448.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016450.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016515.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016746.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016768.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016788.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016789.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016803.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016805.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016874.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016875.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016883.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016886.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016893.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016906.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016917.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016922.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016926.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016935.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016938.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016941.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016946.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016575.html">[Mageia-dev] [help] does openmpi works under iurt?
+</A><A NAME="16575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016865.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016980.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017042.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:Python2and3support
+</A><A NAME="17042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016253.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssl-1.0.1c-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016642.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016620.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016779.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016802.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016806.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016856.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016964.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016966.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016186.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: RepositorySignatures
+</A><A NAME="16186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016220.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo commit question
+</A><A NAME="16220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016221.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove packages
+</A><A NAME="16221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016245.html">[Mageia-dev] #2317: --update option should behave	like	--search-media &lt;list of the update media&gt;
+</A><A NAME="16245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016251.html">[Mageia-dev] No updated Cauldron packages?
+</A><A NAME="16251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016402.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016404.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016441.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016445.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016449.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016519.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016525.html">[Mageia-dev] Fortune Cookies Collections Policy
+</A><A NAME="16525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016606.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from Fedora	RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016608.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from	Fedora	RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016617.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016678.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016680.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016683.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016819.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016903.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016920.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016921.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016927.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016929.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016937.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016940.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016944.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016993.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian	server
+</A><A NAME="16993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016451.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016488.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016489.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016501.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016505.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016549.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016553.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016560.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016563.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016564.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016574.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016577.html">[Mageia-dev] unable to install lib64tiger-devel
+</A><A NAME="16577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016583.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016599.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016630.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016639.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016653.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016655.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016665.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016673.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016675.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016306.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016361.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet and IPv6
+</A><A NAME="16361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016364.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016393.html">[Mageia-dev] QT3 in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="16393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016723.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016812.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+    </ul>
+    <p>
+      <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> 
+       <i>Sat Jun 30 22:56:26 CEST 2012</i><br>
+    <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Jul  1 19:21:36 CEST 2012</i>
+    <p>
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+      <h1>June 2012 Archives by date</h1>
+      <ul>
+         <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+
+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+                    </a></b></li>
+      </ul>
+      <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Jun  1 01:43:48 CEST 2012</i><br>
+         <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Jun 30 22:56:26 CEST 2012</i><br>
+         <b>Messages:</b> 1004<p>
+     <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016032.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016033.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016034.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-5.16.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016035.html">[Mageia-dev] fglrx-8.961-3.mga3 not working with kernel-server-3.4.1-0.rc1.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016036.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-5.16.0-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016037.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016038.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016039.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016040.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016041.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] New file uploaded: a36225e1f08cc8078bf770307f6855bd1c5a55c0 - Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.054.tar.gz
+</A><A NAME="16041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016042.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] New file uploaded: a36225e1f08cc8078bf770307f6855bd1c5a55c0 - Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.054.tar.gz
+</A><A NAME="16042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016043.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016044.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-IO-Compress-2.52.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016045.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016046.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016047.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016048.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016049.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016050.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016051.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016052.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016053.html">[Mageia-dev] Volunteering to [attempt] packaging.
+</A><A NAME="16053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016054.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016055.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016056.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016057.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016058.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016059.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016060.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016061.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016062.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016063.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016064.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016065.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016066.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016067.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016068.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016069.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016070.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016071.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016072.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016073.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016074.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016075.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016076.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016077.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016078.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016079.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016080.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016081.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="16081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016082.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016083.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016084.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016085.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4784] use oxygen-gtk theme
+</A><A NAME="16085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016086.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016087.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016088.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016089.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016090.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016091.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016092.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016093.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016094.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016095.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016096.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016097.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016098.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016099.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016100.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="16100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016101.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016102.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016103.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016104.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016105.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016106.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016107.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016108.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016109.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016110.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016112.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016111.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating usb_modeswitch in mga2
+</A><A NAME="16111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016113.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4791] revert last commit: as stated by the comment, this is _NOT_ the boot loader
+</A><A NAME="16113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016114.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016115.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016116.html">[Mageia-dev] Forum support: your help is needed!
+</A><A NAME="16116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016117.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016118.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016119.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating usb_modeswitch in mga2
+</A><A NAME="16119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016120.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016121.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016122.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4791] revert last commit: as stated by the comment, this is _NOT_ the boot loader
+</A><A NAME="16122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016123.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016124.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016125.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016126.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016127.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016128.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating usb_modeswitch in mga2
+</A><A NAME="16128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016129.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating usb_modeswitch in mga2
+</A><A NAME="16129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016130.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016131.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016132.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016133.html">[Mageia-dev] libcec &quot;static lib&quot; problem...
+</A><A NAME="16133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016134.html">[Mageia-dev] libcec &quot;static lib&quot; problem...
+</A><A NAME="16134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016135.html">[Mageia-dev] coreutils runuser pam config (aka cyrus-imapd refuses to start on mga2).
+</A><A NAME="16135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016136.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016149.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016137.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016138.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016139.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016140.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016141.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016142.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libxcb-1.8.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016143.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016144.html">[Mageia-dev] DistroWatch review
+</A><A NAME="16144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016145.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libxcb-1.8.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016146.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016147.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016148.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016150.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016392.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4789] really use oxygen theme
+</A><A NAME="16392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016151.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016152.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016153.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016154.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016155.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016156.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4789] really use oxygen theme
+</A><A NAME="16156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hugo Pereira Da Costa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016157.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4789] really use oxygen theme
+</A><A NAME="16157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016158.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016159.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016160.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016161.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016162.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016163.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016164.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016165.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016166.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016167.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016168.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016169.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016170.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016171.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016172.html">[Mageia-dev]   mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016173.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016174.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016175.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016176.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016177.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016178.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4806] 3.7
+</A><A NAME="16178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016179.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4806] 3.7
+</A><A NAME="16179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016180.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bcd-3.7-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016181.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016182.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016183.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016184.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bcd-3.7-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016185.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016186.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: RepositorySignatures
+</A><A NAME="16186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016187.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016188.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016189.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016190.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016191.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016192.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016193.html">[Mageia-dev] mplayer vdpau backend broken
+</A><A NAME="16193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple .
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016194.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016195.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016196.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016197.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016198.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016199.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016200.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016201.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016202.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove packages
+</A><A NAME="16202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016203.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion to obsolete ncpfs for Mageia 3.
+</A><A NAME="16203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016204.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016205.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016206.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016207.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016208.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016209.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016222.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016210.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016211.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016212.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016213.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016214.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016215.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for new feature: non-free DVD iso
+</A><A NAME="16215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016216.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for new feature: non-free DVD iso
+</A><A NAME="16216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016217.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016218.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016219.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo commit question
+</A><A NAME="16219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016220.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo commit question
+</A><A NAME="16220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016221.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove packages
+</A><A NAME="16221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016223.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo commit question
+</A><A NAME="16223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016224.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016225.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016226.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016227.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo commit question
+</A><A NAME="16227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016228.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove packages
+</A><A NAME="16228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016229.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016230.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016231.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	x11-driver-input-aiptek-1.4.1-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016232.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016233.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016235.html">[Mageia-dev] Giving maint or comaint for the packages here - http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/updates.html
+</A><A NAME="16235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016234.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34991.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016236.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron tainted/release	mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34991.1.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="16236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016237.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="16237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016238.html">[Mageia-dev] Giving maint or comaint for the packages here -	http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/updates.html
+</A><A NAME="16238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016239.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssh-6.0p1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016240.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssh-6.0p1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016241.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssh-6.0p1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016242.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016243.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016244.html">[Mageia-dev] #2317: --update option should behave like --search-media &lt;list of the update media&gt;
+</A><A NAME="16244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016245.html">[Mageia-dev] #2317: --update option should behave	like	--search-media &lt;list of the update media&gt;
+</A><A NAME="16245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016246.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016247.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016248.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels
+</A><A NAME="16248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016249.html">[Mageia-dev] No updated Cauldron packages?
+</A><A NAME="16249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016250.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssl-1.0.1c-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016251.html">[Mageia-dev] No updated Cauldron packages?
+</A><A NAME="16251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016252.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016253.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssl-1.0.1c-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016254.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssl-1.0.1c-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016255.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016256.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016257.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	task-obsolete-3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016258.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016259.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016260.html">[Mageia-dev] No updated Cauldron packages?  ;SOLVED]
+</A><A NAME="16260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016261.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	task-obsolete-3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016262.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels
+</A><A NAME="16262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016263.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016264.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels
+</A><A NAME="16264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016265.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016266.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016267.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016268.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016269.html">[Mageia-dev] coreutils runuser pam config (aka cyrus-imapd refuses to start on mga2).
+</A><A NAME="16269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016270.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="16270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016271.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016272.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016273.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016274.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016275.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken web  link
+</A><A NAME="16275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016276.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="16276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016277.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016278.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016279.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016280.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016281.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016282.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken web  link
+</A><A NAME="16282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016283.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016284.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016285.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openttd-1.2.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016286.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openttd-opensfx-0.2.3-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016287.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016288.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016289.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016290.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016291.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016292.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016293.html">[Mageia-dev] #2317: --update option should behave like --search-media &lt;list of the update media&gt;
+</A><A NAME="16293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016294.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016295.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016296.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016297.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-HTML-Links-Localize-0.2.7-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016298.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016299.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016300.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016301.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016302.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016303.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016304.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016305.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016306.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016307.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016308.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016309.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016311.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016310.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016313.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016312.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016314.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016315.html">[Mageia-dev] coreutils runuser pam config (aka cyrus-imapd refuses to start on mga2).
+</A><A NAME="16315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016316.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016317.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016318.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016319.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016320.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016321.html">[Mageia-dev] Don't get it -
+</A><A NAME="16321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016322.html">[Mageia-dev] Don't get it -
+</A><A NAME="16322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016323.html">[Mageia-dev] Don't get it -
+</A><A NAME="16323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016324.html">[Mageia-dev] Don't get it -
+</A><A NAME="16324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016325.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016326.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	viewvc-1.1.13-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016327.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016328.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016329.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016330.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016331.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016332.html">[Mageia-dev] Crashes with Firefox 13 + Flash (inc. fix)
+</A><A NAME="16332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016333.html">[Mageia-dev] Crashes with Firefox 13 + Flash (inc. fix)
+</A><A NAME="16333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple .
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016334.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016335.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016336.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016337.html">[Mageia-dev] [updates-announce] MGASA-2012-0107:	quagga-0.99.18-1.2.mga1 (1/core)
+</A><A NAME="16337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016338.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016339.html">[Mageia-dev] [updates-announce] MGASA-2012-0107: quagga-0.99.18-1.2.mga1 (1/core)
+</A><A NAME="16339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016340.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016342.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016341.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:Grub2AsDefault (need adopters)
+</A><A NAME="16341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016343.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016344.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:InstallerLeftSideRedesign (need	adopters/comments)
+</A><A NAME="16344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016345.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign (need help with this)
+</A><A NAME="16345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016346.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016347.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016348.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016349.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016350.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016351.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016352.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016353.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron tainted/release	mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34991.1.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="16353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016354.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016355.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016356.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016357.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Xavier Bertaux
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016358.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016359.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DrakXtoolsReview
+</A><A NAME="16359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016360.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016361.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet and IPv6
+</A><A NAME="16361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016362.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016363.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016364.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016365.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016366.html">[Mageia-dev] How to Test the new uClibc?
+</A><A NAME="16366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016367.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016368.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016369.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016370.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016371.html">[Mageia-dev] Freeze push: libmbfl
+</A><A NAME="16371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016372.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016373.html">[Mageia-dev] GCC and GLIBC plans for mga3
+</A><A NAME="16373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016374.html">[Mageia-dev] GCC and GLIBC plans for mga3
+</A><A NAME="16374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016375.html">[Mageia-dev] sun java issue for mga 1 handling
+</A><A NAME="16375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016376.html">[Mageia-dev] GCC and GLIBC plans for mga3
+</A><A NAME="16376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016377.html">[Mageia-dev] GCC and GLIBC plans for mga3
+</A><A NAME="16377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016378.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016379.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016380.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016381.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016382.html">[Mageia-dev] #2317: --update option should behave like --search-media &lt;list of the update media&gt;
+</A><A NAME="16382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016393.html">[Mageia-dev] QT3 in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="16393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016394.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016395.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016396.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016397.html">[Mageia-dev] QT3 in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="16397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016398.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016399.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016400.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016401.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-artwork] Mageia 2 beta 3 available for	tests
+</A><A NAME="16401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016402.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016403.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016404.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016405.html">[Mageia-dev] Old OpenSSL HOWTO [was Re:  openssl regression]
+</A><A NAME="16405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016406.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016407.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-artwork] Mageia 2 beta 3 available for	tests
+</A><A NAME="16407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016408.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016409.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016410.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016411.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016412.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016413.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Accessibility in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="16413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016416.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016414.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016415.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016417.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016418.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016421.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016420.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016419.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016422.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016423.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016424.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016425.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016426.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature: Dynamic screen for packages choice
+</A><A NAME="16426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016427.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016428.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016429.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016430.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016431.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016432.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Accessibility in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="16432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016433.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016434.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016435.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016436.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016437.html">[Mageia-dev] Wine MONO/Gecko
+</A><A NAME="16437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016438.html">[Mageia-dev] Wine MONO/Gecko
+</A><A NAME="16438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016439.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016440.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016441.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016442.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass ping: continued
+</A><A NAME="16442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016443.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016444.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016445.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016446.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016447.html">[Mageia-dev] resolvconf and DHCP domain-search
+</A><A NAME="16447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016448.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016449.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016450.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016451.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016452.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016454.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016455.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016453.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016456.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016458.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016457.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016459.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016460.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016461.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016462.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016463.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016464.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016465.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016466.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016467.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016468.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DrakXtoolsReview
+</A><A NAME="16468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016469.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	gambas3-3.1.1-1.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="16469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016470.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016471.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016472.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016473.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DrakXtoolsReview
+</A><A NAME="16473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016474.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016475.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DrakXtoolsReview
+</A><A NAME="16475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016476.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016477.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016478.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016479.html">[Mageia-dev] QA bugs for MGA1 and MGA2
+</A><A NAME="16479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016480.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016481.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016482.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016483.html">[Mageia-dev] proposed feature: installer cleanup
+</A><A NAME="16483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steve Havelka
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016484.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016485.html">[Mageia-dev] proposed feature: installer cleanup
+</A><A NAME="16485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016486.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016487.html">[Mageia-dev] How to Test the new uClibc?
+</A><A NAME="16487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016488.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016489.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016490.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016491.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016492.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016493.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016494.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016495.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016496.html">[Mageia-dev] QA bugs for MGA1 and MGA2
+</A><A NAME="16496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016497.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016498.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016499.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4943] - Fixed German translation
+</A><A NAME="16499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016500.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016501.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016502.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016503.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016504.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016505.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016506.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016507.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016508.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016509.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016510.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016511.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016512.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016513.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia mentor
+</A><A NAME="16513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016514.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016515.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016516.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016517.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016518.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016519.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016520.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016521.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016522.html">[Mageia-dev] [PATCH]: fix %setup with ruby gems for rpmbuild
+</A><A NAME="16522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016524.html">[Mageia-dev] Fortune Cookies Collections Policy
+</A><A NAME="16524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016523.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016525.html">[Mageia-dev] Fortune Cookies Collections Policy
+</A><A NAME="16525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016526.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016527.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016528.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016529.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016530.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016531.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016532.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016533.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016534.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016535.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016536.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016537.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016538.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016539.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016540.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016547.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016541.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016542.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016543.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016544.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016545.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016546.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016548.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016549.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016550.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016551.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016552.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016553.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016554.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016555.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016556.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security issues)
+</A><A NAME="16556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016562.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016557.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016558.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016559.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016560.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016561.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016563.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016564.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016565.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016566.html">[Mageia-dev] Fortune Cookies Collections Policy
+</A><A NAME="16566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016568.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016567.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016569.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016570.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016571.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016572.html">[Mageia-dev] bug in urpmi-proxy
+</A><A NAME="16572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016573.html">[Mageia-dev] bug in urpmi-proxy
+</A><A NAME="16573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016574.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016575.html">[Mageia-dev] [help] does openmpi works under iurt?
+</A><A NAME="16575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016576.html">[Mageia-dev] bug in urpmi-proxy
+</A><A NAME="16576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016579.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016577.html">[Mageia-dev] unable to install lib64tiger-devel
+</A><A NAME="16577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016578.html">[Mageia-dev] unable to install lib64tiger-devel
+</A><A NAME="16578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016581.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016580.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016582.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016583.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016584.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016585.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016586.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016587.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016588.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016589.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016590.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing	systemd-185-0.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016591.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing	systemd-185-0.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016592.html">[Mageia-dev] Lemonldap-ng's spec rewrite
+</A><A NAME="16592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016593.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing	systemd-185-0.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016594.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016595.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016596.html">[Mageia-dev] Switch to man-db
+</A><A NAME="16596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016597.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016598.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4978] update distro credit for	mageia
+</A><A NAME="16598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016599.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016600.html">[Mageia-dev] Lemonldap-ng's spec rewrite
+</A><A NAME="16600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016601.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016602.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016603.html">[Mageia-dev] Lemonldap-ng's spec rewrite
+</A><A NAME="16603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016604.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016605.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016606.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from Fedora	RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016607.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from Fedora	RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016608.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from	Fedora	RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016609.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4978] update distro credit for	mageia
+</A><A NAME="16609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016610.html">[Mageia-dev] Switch to man-db
+</A><A NAME="16610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016611.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from Fedora RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016612.html">[Mageia-dev] 64-bit urpmi not &quot;seeing&quot; Core 32 even if enabled ?
+</A><A NAME="16612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016613.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4978] update distro credit for	mageia
+</A><A NAME="16613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016614.html">[Mageia-dev] 64-bit urpmi not &quot;seeing&quot; Core 32 even if enabled ?
+</A><A NAME="16614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016615.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng-1.2.0
+</A><A NAME="16615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016616.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016617.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016618.html">[Mageia-dev] 64-bit urpmi not &quot;seeing&quot; Core 32 even if enabled ?
+</A><A NAME="16618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016619.html">[Mageia-dev] 64-bit urpmi not &quot;seeing&quot; Core 32 even if enabled ?
+</A><A NAME="16619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016620.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016621.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016622.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016623.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016624.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016625.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016626.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016627.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016628.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016629.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016630.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016631.html">[Mageia-dev] bug in urpmi-proxy
+</A><A NAME="16631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016646.html">[Mageia-dev] [cauldron]SSL disabled due to library version mismatch
+</A><A NAME="16646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016632.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016633.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016634.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016635.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016636.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016637.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016638.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016639.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016640.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016641.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016642.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016643.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016644.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016645.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016647.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016648.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016649.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016650.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016651.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016653.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016652.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade: Seamonkey 2.10.1
+</A><A NAME="16652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eric Elena
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016654.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016655.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016656.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016657.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016658.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016659.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016660.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016661.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016662.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016663.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lmms-0.4.13-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016664.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016665.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016666.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016667.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016668.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016669.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from Fedora	RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016670.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lmms-0.4.13-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016671.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lmms-0.4.13-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016672.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lmms-0.4.13-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016673.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016674.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016675.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016676.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016677.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016678.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016679.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016680.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016681.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016682.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016683.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016684.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016685.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016686.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with package versions
+</A><A NAME="16686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016687.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016688.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016690.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016689.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016691.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016692.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016693.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016694.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016695.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016696.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016697.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016698.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016699.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016701.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016700.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016702.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016703.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016704.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016705.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016706.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016707.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016708.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016709.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016710.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016711.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016712.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016714.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016713.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016715.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016716.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016717.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016718.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016719.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016720.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016721.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016722.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016723.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016724.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016725.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo, svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016726.html">[Mageia-dev] 'Cauldron' version is not report anymore
+</A><A NAME="16726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016727.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016728.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016729.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016730.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016731.html">[Mageia-dev] 'Cauldron' version is not report anymore
+</A><A NAME="16731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016732.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016733.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016734.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016735.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016736.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016737.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016738.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016739.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016740.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016741.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016742.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016743.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016744.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016745.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016746.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016747.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016748.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016749.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016750.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016751.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016752.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016753.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016754.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016755.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016756.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016757.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016758.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016759.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016760.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016761.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016762.html">[Mageia-dev] A Usable Browser Media Playback Plugin At Last - npapi-vlc-2.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016763.html">[Mageia-dev] A Usable Browser Media Playback Plugin At Last -	npapi-vlc-2.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016764.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016765.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016766.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016767.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016768.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016769.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016770.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016771.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016772.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016773.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016774.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016775.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016776.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016777.html">[Mageia-dev] A Usable Browser Media Playback Plugin At Last - npapi-vlc-2.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016778.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016779.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016780.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016781.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed-0.90.0-13.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016782.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016783.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016784.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016785.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016786.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016787.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016788.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016789.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016790.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016791.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016792.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016793.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016794.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016795.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016796.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016797.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016798.html">[Mageia-dev] Streamtuner &amp; Streamripper - MIA
+</A><A NAME="16798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016799.html">[Mageia-dev] [help] does openmpi works under iurt?
+</A><A NAME="16799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016800.html">[Mageia-dev] [help] does openmpi works under iurt?
+</A><A NAME="16800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016801.html">[Mageia-dev] Streamtuner &amp; Streamripper - MIA
+</A><A NAME="16801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016802.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016803.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016804.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016805.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016806.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016807.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016808.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016809.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016813.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016810.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016811.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016812.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016814.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016815.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 6493] &quot;simplew&quot; Should be Granted a Commit Bit
+</A><A NAME="16815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016816.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016817.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016818.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016819.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016820.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016821.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016822.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016823.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016824.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 6493] &quot;simplew&quot; Should be Granted a Commit Bit
+</A><A NAME="16824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016825.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 6493] &quot;simplew&quot; Should be Granted a Commit Bit
+</A><A NAME="16825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016826.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016827.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016828.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016829.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016830.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016831.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016832.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016833.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016834.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016835.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron mariadb planned changes
+</A><A NAME="16835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016836.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016837.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016838.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016839.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016840.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016841.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016842.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016843.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016844.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016845.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016846.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016847.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize	display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016848.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016849.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016850.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016851.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016852.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
+</A><A NAME="16852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016853.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
+</A><A NAME="16853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016854.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016855.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016856.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016857.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016858.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016859.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016860.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016861.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016862.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016863.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016864.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
+</A><A NAME="16864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016865.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016866.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016867.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016868.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016869.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016872.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016870.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016871.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-HTML-HTML5-Entities-0.3.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016873.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016874.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016875.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016876.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016877.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016878.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016879.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016880.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016881.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016882.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016883.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016884.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016885.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016886.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016887.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016888.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016889.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016890.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016891.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting on Thursday 28th at 17.30 UTC
+</A><A NAME="16891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016892.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting on Thursday 28th at 17.30 UTC
+</A><A NAME="16892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016893.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016894.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016895.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016896.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016897.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016898.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016899.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016900.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016901.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016902.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016903.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016904.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016905.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016906.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016907.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016908.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016909.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016910.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016911.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016912.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016913.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016914.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016915.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016916.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016917.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016918.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016919.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016920.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016921.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016923.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016922.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016924.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016925.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016926.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016927.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016928.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016929.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016930.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016931.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016932.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016933.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016934.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016935.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016936.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016937.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016938.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016939.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016940.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016941.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016942.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016943.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016945.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016944.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016946.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016947.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016948.html">[Mageia-dev] BACKPORTS: Resources needed to do the actual work
+</A><A NAME="16948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016949.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016950.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="16950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016951.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="16951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016952.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4436] german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead of &quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; ( mga#3791)
+</A><A NAME="16952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016953.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against	libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="16953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016954.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016955.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016956.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python 2
+</A><A NAME="16956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016957.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python 2
+</A><A NAME="16957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016958.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017057.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="17057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016959.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python	2
+</A><A NAME="16959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016960.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016961.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016962.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016963.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016964.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016965.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016966.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016967.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016968.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016969.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016970.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016971.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016972.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016973.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="16973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016974.html">[Mageia-dev] Xfce 4.10 update for mga2
+</A><A NAME="16974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016975.html">[Mageia-dev] Current status of Mageia ARM port
+</A><A NAME="16975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016976.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gcc-4.7.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016977.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016978.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gcc-4.7.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016979.html">[Mageia-dev] Severe Memory Leakage about X with AMD graphic cards.
+</A><A NAME="16979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016980.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016981.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016982.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016983.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9 for cauldron?
+</A><A NAME="16983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016984.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9 for cauldron?
+</A><A NAME="16984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016985.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	alacarte-3.5.3-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016986.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016987.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release alacarte-3.5.3-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016988.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016989.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016990.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="16990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016991.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="16991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016992.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016993.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian	server
+</A><A NAME="16993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016994.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo, svn and working from external debian	server
+</A><A NAME="16994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016995.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016996.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="16996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016997.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="16997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016998.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="16998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016999.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017000.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017001.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017002.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017003.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017004.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="17004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017005.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017006.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017007.html">[Mageia-dev] [SOLVED] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017008.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017009.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017010.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017011.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017012.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017013.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017014.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017015.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017016.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017017.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017018.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="17018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017019.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="17019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017020.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017021.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017022.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="17022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017023.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017024.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017025.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017026.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017027.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017028.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017029.html">[Mageia-dev] [SOLVED] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017030.html">[Mageia-dev] Xfce 4.10 update for mga2
+</A><A NAME="17030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017031.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017032.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017033.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017034.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017035.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017036.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017037.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefan Wilhelm
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017038.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017039.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017040.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017041.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017042.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:Python2and3support
+</A><A NAME="17042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017043.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against	libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="17043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+    </ul>
+    <p>
+      <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> 
+       <i>Sat Jun 30 22:56:26 CEST 2012</i><br>
+    <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Jul  1 19:21:36 CEST 2012</i>
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+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+      <h1>June 2012 Archives by subject</h1>
+      <ul>
+         <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+	        <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
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+		<a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+		<a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+                    </a></b></li>
+      </ul>
+      <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Jun  1 01:43:48 CEST 2012</i><br>
+         <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Jun 30 22:56:26 CEST 2012</i><br>
+         <b>Messages:</b> 1004<p>
+     <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016245.html">[Mageia-dev] #2317: --update option should behave	like	--search-media &lt;list of the update media&gt;
+</A><A NAME="16245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016244.html">[Mageia-dev] #2317: --update option should behave like --search-media &lt;list of the update media&gt;
+</A><A NAME="16244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016293.html">[Mageia-dev] #2317: --update option should behave like --search-media &lt;list of the update media&gt;
+</A><A NAME="16293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016382.html">[Mageia-dev] #2317: --update option should behave like --search-media &lt;list of the update media&gt;
+</A><A NAME="16382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016726.html">[Mageia-dev] 'Cauldron' version is not report anymore
+</A><A NAME="16726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016731.html">[Mageia-dev] 'Cauldron' version is not report anymore
+</A><A NAME="16731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016612.html">[Mageia-dev] 64-bit urpmi not &quot;seeing&quot; Core 32 even if enabled ?
+</A><A NAME="16612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016614.html">[Mageia-dev] 64-bit urpmi not &quot;seeing&quot; Core 32 even if enabled ?
+</A><A NAME="16614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016618.html">[Mageia-dev] 64-bit urpmi not &quot;seeing&quot; Core 32 even if enabled ?
+</A><A NAME="16618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016619.html">[Mageia-dev] 64-bit urpmi not &quot;seeing&quot; Core 32 even if enabled ?
+</A><A NAME="16619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016307.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016378.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016417.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016418.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016435.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016436.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016815.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 6493] &quot;simplew&quot; Should be Granted a Commit Bit
+</A><A NAME="16815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016824.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 6493] &quot;simplew&quot; Should be Granted a Commit Bit
+</A><A NAME="16824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016825.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 6493] &quot;simplew&quot; Should be Granted a Commit Bit
+</A><A NAME="16825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016646.html">[Mageia-dev] [cauldron]SSL disabled due to library version mismatch
+</A><A NAME="16646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016469.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	gambas3-3.1.1-1.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="16469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016985.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	alacarte-3.5.3-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016180.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bcd-3.7-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016184.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bcd-3.7-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016066.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016067.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016076.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016077.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016078.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016079.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016080.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016088.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016131.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016132.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016136.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016137.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016976.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gcc-4.7.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016978.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gcc-4.7.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016582.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016583.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016588.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016595.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016659.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016142.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libxcb-1.8.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016145.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libxcb-1.8.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016663.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lmms-0.4.13-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016670.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lmms-0.4.13-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016671.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lmms-0.4.13-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016672.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lmms-0.4.13-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016208.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016209.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016222.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016224.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016233.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016246.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016287.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016408.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016410.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016414.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016419.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016422.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016423.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016480.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016481.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016482.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016492.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016493.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016494.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016495.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016500.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016507.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016511.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016486.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016490.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016239.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssh-6.0p1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016240.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssh-6.0p1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016241.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssh-6.0p1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016250.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssl-1.0.1c-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016253.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssl-1.0.1c-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016254.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssl-1.0.1c-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016285.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openttd-1.2.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016286.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openttd-opensfx-0.2.3-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016034.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-5.16.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016036.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-5.16.0-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016871.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-HTML-HTML5-Entities-0.3.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016297.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-HTML-Links-Localize-0.2.7-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016044.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-IO-Compress-2.52.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016257.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	task-obsolete-3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016261.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	task-obsolete-3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016326.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	viewvc-1.1.13-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016231.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	x11-driver-input-aiptek-1.4.1-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016634.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016987.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release alacarte-3.5.3-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016130.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016138.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016234.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34991.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016508.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016590.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing	systemd-185-0.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016591.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing	systemd-185-0.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016593.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing	systemd-185-0.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016236.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron tainted/release	mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34991.1.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="16236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016353.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron tainted/release	mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34991.1.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="16353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016372.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016380.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016381.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016411.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016484.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016781.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed-0.90.0-13.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016575.html">[Mageia-dev] [help] does openmpi works under iurt?
+</A><A NAME="16575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016799.html">[Mageia-dev] [help] does openmpi works under iurt?
+</A><A NAME="16799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016800.html">[Mageia-dev] [help] does openmpi works under iurt?
+</A><A NAME="16800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016401.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-artwork] Mageia 2 beta 3 available for	tests
+</A><A NAME="16401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016407.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-artwork] Mageia 2 beta 3 available for	tests
+</A><A NAME="16407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016413.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Accessibility in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="16413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016432.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Accessibility in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="16432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016038.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016403.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016404.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016406.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016415.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016039.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016608.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from	Fedora	RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016606.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from Fedora	RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016607.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from Fedora	RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016669.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from Fedora	RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016611.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from Fedora RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016041.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] New file uploaded: a36225e1f08cc8078bf770307f6855bd1c5a55c0 - Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.054.tar.gz
+</A><A NAME="16041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016042.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] New file uploaded: a36225e1f08cc8078bf770307f6855bd1c5a55c0 - Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.054.tar.gz
+</A><A NAME="16042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016522.html">[Mageia-dev] [PATCH]: fix %setup with ruby gems for rpmbuild
+</A><A NAME="16522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016037.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016059.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016060.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016061.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016062.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016063.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016065.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016101.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016106.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016148.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016150.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016151.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016155.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016159.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016170.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016175.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016177.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016191.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016195.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016206.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016207.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016210.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016212.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016213.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016217.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016952.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4436] german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead of &quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; ( mga#3791)
+</A><A NAME="16952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016085.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4784] use oxygen-gtk theme
+</A><A NAME="16085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016392.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4789] really use oxygen theme
+</A><A NAME="16392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016156.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4789] really use oxygen theme
+</A><A NAME="16156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hugo Pereira Da Costa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016157.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4789] really use oxygen theme
+</A><A NAME="16157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016113.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4791] revert last commit: as stated by the comment, this is _NOT_ the boot loader
+</A><A NAME="16113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016122.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4791] revert last commit: as stated by the comment, this is _NOT_ the boot loader
+</A><A NAME="16122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016178.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4806] 3.7
+</A><A NAME="16178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016179.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4806] 3.7
+</A><A NAME="16179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016499.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4943] - Fixed German translation
+</A><A NAME="16499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016598.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4978] update distro credit for	mageia
+</A><A NAME="16598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016609.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4978] update distro credit for	mageia
+</A><A NAME="16609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016613.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4978] update distro credit for	mageia
+</A><A NAME="16613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017029.html">[Mageia-dev] [SOLVED] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017007.html">[Mageia-dev] [SOLVED] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016337.html">[Mageia-dev] [updates-announce] MGASA-2012-0107:	quagga-0.99.18-1.2.mga1 (1/core)
+</A><A NAME="16337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016339.html">[Mageia-dev] [updates-announce] MGASA-2012-0107: quagga-0.99.18-1.2.mga1 (1/core)
+</A><A NAME="16339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016953.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against	libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="16953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017043.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against	libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="17043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016763.html">[Mageia-dev] A Usable Browser Media Playback Plugin At Last -	npapi-vlc-2.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016762.html">[Mageia-dev] A Usable Browser Media Playback Plugin At Last - npapi-vlc-2.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016777.html">[Mageia-dev] A Usable Browser Media Playback Plugin At Last - npapi-vlc-2.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016336.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016338.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016340.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016343.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016346.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016347.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016348.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016349.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016586.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016589.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016594.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016605.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016625.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016626.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016627.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016628.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016635.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016638.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016735.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016737.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016747.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016750.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016751.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016807.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016808.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016809.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016811.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016814.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016828.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016829.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016831.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016832.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016836.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016839.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016840.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016843.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016960.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016967.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016981.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016982.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016986.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016988.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016989.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016636.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016641.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016644.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016842.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016945.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016949.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016963.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016971.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016861.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016881.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016908.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016910.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016912.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016913.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016230.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016232.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016252.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016255.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016256.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016266.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016265.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016267.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016268.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016271.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016272.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016278.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016279.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016281.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016283.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016288.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016289.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016290.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016291.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016294.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016295.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016296.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016298.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016299.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016300.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016301.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016302.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016303.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016304.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016305.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016311.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016310.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016313.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016312.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016314.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016316.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016317.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016318.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016319.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016320.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016327.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016328.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016329.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016334.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016335.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016416.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016421.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016420.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016424.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016425.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016428.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016443.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016444.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016445.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016446.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016448.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016449.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016450.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016454.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016568.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016567.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016855.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016857.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016858.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016868.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016869.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016874.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016875.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016877.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016880.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016883.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016886.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016888.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016889.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016895.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016896.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016899.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016900.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016906.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016909.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016911.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016916.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016917.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016920.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016921.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016923.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016922.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016926.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016927.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016928.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016929.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016935.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016937.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016938.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016940.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016941.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016943.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016946.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016955.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017057.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="17057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016961.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016966.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016948.html">[Mageia-dev] BACKPORTS: Resources needed to do the actual work
+</A><A NAME="16948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016275.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken web  link
+</A><A NAME="16275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016282.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken web  link
+</A><A NAME="16282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016973.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="16973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016990.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="16990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016991.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="16991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017004.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="17004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017018.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="17018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017019.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="17019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017022.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="17022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016712.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016714.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016715.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016718.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016722.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016752.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016753.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016754.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016759.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016760.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016766.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016783.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016692.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016693.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016694.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016695.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016696.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016697.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016698.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016699.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016700.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016706.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016708.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016709.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016710.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016711.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016713.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016716.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016717.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016719.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016721.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016723.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016724.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016728.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016729.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016738.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016739.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016740.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016741.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016742.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016743.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016744.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016745.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016746.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016748.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016749.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016755.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016756.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016757.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016761.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016764.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016768.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016572.html">[Mageia-dev] bug in urpmi-proxy
+</A><A NAME="16572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016573.html">[Mageia-dev] bug in urpmi-proxy
+</A><A NAME="16573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016576.html">[Mageia-dev] bug in urpmi-proxy
+</A><A NAME="16576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016631.html">[Mageia-dev] bug in urpmi-proxy
+</A><A NAME="16631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016089.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016090.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016091.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016092.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016093.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016094.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016095.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016096.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016097.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016098.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016099.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016102.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016103.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016104.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016105.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016107.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016108.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016109.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016110.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016112.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016114.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016115.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016117.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016118.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016124.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016149.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016160.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016176.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016442.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass ping: continued
+</A><A NAME="16442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017016.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017017.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017020.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017021.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017024.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017025.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017027.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017028.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017006.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017013.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017014.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017015.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017031.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016835.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron mariadb planned changes
+</A><A NAME="16835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016048.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016050.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016051.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016052.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016054.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016055.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016056.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016057.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016058.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016498.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016503.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016506.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016509.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016510.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016579.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016580.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016584.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016661.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016707.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016135.html">[Mageia-dev] coreutils runuser pam config (aka cyrus-imapd refuses to start on mga2).
+</A><A NAME="16135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016269.html">[Mageia-dev] coreutils runuser pam config (aka cyrus-imapd refuses to start on mga2).
+</A><A NAME="16269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016315.html">[Mageia-dev] coreutils runuser pam config (aka cyrus-imapd refuses to start on mga2).
+</A><A NAME="16315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016332.html">[Mageia-dev] Crashes with Firefox 13 + Flash (inc. fix)
+</A><A NAME="16332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016333.html">[Mageia-dev] Crashes with Firefox 13 + Flash (inc. fix)
+</A><A NAME="16333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple .
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016975.html">[Mageia-dev] Current status of Mageia ARM port
+</A><A NAME="16975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016144.html">[Mageia-dev] DistroWatch review
+</A><A NAME="16144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016321.html">[Mageia-dev] Don't get it -
+</A><A NAME="16321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016322.html">[Mageia-dev] Don't get it -
+</A><A NAME="16322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016323.html">[Mageia-dev] Don't get it -
+</A><A NAME="16323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016324.html">[Mageia-dev] Don't get it -
+</A><A NAME="16324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016032.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016033.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016040.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016043.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016045.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016046.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016047.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016049.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016064.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016426.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature: Dynamic screen for packages choice
+</A><A NAME="16426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016345.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign (need help with this)
+</A><A NAME="16345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016359.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DrakXtoolsReview
+</A><A NAME="16359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016468.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DrakXtoolsReview
+</A><A NAME="16468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016473.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DrakXtoolsReview
+</A><A NAME="16473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016475.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DrakXtoolsReview
+</A><A NAME="16475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016341.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:Grub2AsDefault (need adopters)
+</A><A NAME="16341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016344.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:InstallerLeftSideRedesign (need	adopters/comments)
+</A><A NAME="16344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017042.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:Python2and3support
+</A><A NAME="17042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016342.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016402.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016081.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="16081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016100.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="16100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016035.html">[Mageia-dev] fglrx-8.961-3.mga3 not working with kernel-server-3.4.1-0.rc1.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016524.html">[Mageia-dev] Fortune Cookies Collections Policy
+</A><A NAME="16524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016525.html">[Mageia-dev] Fortune Cookies Collections Policy
+</A><A NAME="16525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016566.html">[Mageia-dev] Fortune Cookies Collections Policy
+</A><A NAME="16566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016116.html">[Mageia-dev] Forum support: your help is needed!
+</A><A NAME="16116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016371.html">[Mageia-dev] Freeze push: libmbfl
+</A><A NAME="16371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016959.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python	2
+</A><A NAME="16959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016956.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python 2
+</A><A NAME="16956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016957.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python 2
+</A><A NAME="16957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016373.html">[Mageia-dev] GCC and GLIBC plans for mga3
+</A><A NAME="16373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016374.html">[Mageia-dev] GCC and GLIBC plans for mga3
+</A><A NAME="16374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016376.html">[Mageia-dev] GCC and GLIBC plans for mga3
+</A><A NAME="16376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016377.html">[Mageia-dev] GCC and GLIBC plans for mga3
+</A><A NAME="16377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016238.html">[Mageia-dev] Giving maint or comaint for the packages here -	http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/updates.html
+</A><A NAME="16238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016235.html">[Mageia-dev] Giving maint or comaint for the packages here - http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/updates.html
+</A><A NAME="16235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016139.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016140.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016141.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016143.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016146.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016147.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016154.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016158.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016162.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016163.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016164.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016165.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016166.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016167.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016168.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016185.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016192.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016470.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016563.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016569.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016570.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016571.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016574.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016599.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016601.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016602.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016604.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016616.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016617.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016629.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016630.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016632.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016633.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016637.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016639.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016640.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016642.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016650.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016653.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016654.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016655.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016660.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016665.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016691.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016366.html">[Mageia-dev] How to Test the new uClibc?
+</A><A NAME="16366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016487.html">[Mageia-dev] How to Test the new uClibc?
+</A><A NAME="16487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016865.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016867.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016934.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016936.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016939.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016962.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016965.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016968.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016969.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016977.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016980.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017026.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017033.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017034.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017035.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016983.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9 for cauldron?
+</A><A NAME="16983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016984.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9 for cauldron?
+</A><A NAME="16984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016237.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="16237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016270.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="16270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016276.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="16276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016701.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016702.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016703.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016704.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016705.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016733.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016734.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016958.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016592.html">[Mageia-dev] Lemonldap-ng's spec rewrite
+</A><A NAME="16592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016600.html">[Mageia-dev] Lemonldap-ng's spec rewrite
+</A><A NAME="16600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016603.html">[Mageia-dev] Lemonldap-ng's spec rewrite
+</A><A NAME="16603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016615.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng-1.2.0
+</A><A NAME="16615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016133.html">[Mageia-dev] libcec &quot;static lib&quot; problem...
+</A><A NAME="16133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016134.html">[Mageia-dev] libcec &quot;static lib&quot; problem...
+</A><A NAME="16134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016082.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016083.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016084.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016086.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016087.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016121.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016720.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016732.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016758.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016793.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016794.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016796.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016819.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016820.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016821.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016822.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016823.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016826.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016827.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016860.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016870.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016932.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016933.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016942.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016944.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016954.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016970.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016972.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016174.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016181.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016182.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016183.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016187.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016188.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016189.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016190.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016194.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016196.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016198.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016199.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016200.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016201.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016204.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016205.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016211.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016229.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016243.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016247.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016258.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016259.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016277.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016306.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016308.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016852.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
+</A><A NAME="16852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016853.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
+</A><A NAME="16853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016864.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
+</A><A NAME="16864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016513.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia mentor
+</A><A NAME="16513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016765.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016767.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016769.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016770.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016771.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016772.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016773.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016785.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016786.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016818.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016834.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016891.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting on Thursday 28th at 17.30 UTC
+</A><A NAME="16891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016892.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting on Thursday 28th at 17.30 UTC
+</A><A NAME="16892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016172.html">[Mageia-dev]   mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016173.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016197.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016325.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016409.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016451.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016452.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016488.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016502.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016662.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016664.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016666.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016667.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017008.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017009.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017010.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017011.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017012.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017038.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017039.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017040.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017041.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016356.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016363.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016364.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016365.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016379.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016219.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo commit question
+</A><A NAME="16219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016220.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo commit question
+</A><A NAME="16220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016223.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo commit question
+</A><A NAME="16223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016227.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo commit question
+</A><A NAME="16227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016993.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian	server
+</A><A NAME="16993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016727.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016730.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016736.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016992.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016995.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016999.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017000.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017001.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017002.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017003.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017005.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016994.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo, svn and working from external debian	server
+</A><A NAME="16994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016725.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo, svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016193.html">[Mageia-dev] mplayer vdpau backend broken
+</A><A NAME="16193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple .
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016152.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016153.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016161.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016169.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016171.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016351.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016361.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet and IPv6
+</A><A NAME="16361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016651.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016656.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016657.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016658.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016668.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016549.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016550.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016553.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016559.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016560.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016249.html">[Mageia-dev] No updated Cauldron packages?
+</A><A NAME="16249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016251.html">[Mageia-dev] No updated Cauldron packages?
+</A><A NAME="16251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016260.html">[Mageia-dev] No updated Cauldron packages?  ;SOLVED]
+</A><A NAME="16260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016405.html">[Mageia-dev] Old OpenSSL HOWTO [was Re:  openssl regression]
+</A><A NAME="16405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016455.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016458.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016459.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016460.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016478.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016284.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016292.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016350.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016352.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016354.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016355.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016357.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Xavier Bertaux
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016358.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016360.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016362.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016367.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016368.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016369.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016370.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016564.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016565.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016856.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016866.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016885.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016887.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016890.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016894.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016897.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016898.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016901.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016902.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016904.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016905.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016907.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016915.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016919.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016930.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016964.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016673.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016674.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016675.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016676.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016677.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016678.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016679.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016680.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016681.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016682.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016683.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016684.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016685.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016687.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016688.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016690.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016689.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016489.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016491.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016501.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016504.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016505.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016686.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with package versions
+</A><A NAME="16686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016215.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for new feature: non-free DVD iso
+</A><A NAME="16215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016216.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for new feature: non-free DVD iso
+</A><A NAME="16216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016466.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016467.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016471.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016472.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016476.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016477.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016483.html">[Mageia-dev] proposed feature: installer cleanup
+</A><A NAME="16483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steve Havelka
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016485.html">[Mageia-dev] proposed feature: installer cleanup
+</A><A NAME="16485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016186.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: RepositorySignatures
+</A><A NAME="16186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016263.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016273.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016274.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016280.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016309.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016330.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016331.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016412.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016427.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016431.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016439.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016440.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016441.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016514.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016515.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016516.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016562.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016248.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels
+</A><A NAME="16248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016262.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels
+</A><A NAME="16262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016264.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels
+</A><A NAME="16264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016453.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016456.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016457.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016461.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016463.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016464.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016465.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016474.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017037.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefan Wilhelm
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016068.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016069.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016070.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016071.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016072.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016073.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016074.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016075.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016621.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016622.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016623.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016624.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016643.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016645.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016647.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016648.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016649.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016479.html">[Mageia-dev] QA bugs for MGA1 and MGA2
+</A><A NAME="16479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016496.html">[Mageia-dev] QA bugs for MGA1 and MGA2
+</A><A NAME="16496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016429.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016430.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016433.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016434.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016551.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016552.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016393.html">[Mageia-dev] QT3 in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="16393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016397.html">[Mageia-dev] QT3 in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="16397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017023.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017032.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017036.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016120.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016123.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016125.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016126.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016127.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016202.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove packages
+</A><A NAME="16202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016221.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove packages
+</A><A NAME="16221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016228.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove packages
+</A><A NAME="16228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016774.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016775.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016776.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016778.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016779.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016780.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016782.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016784.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016787.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016788.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016789.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016790.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016791.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016792.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016795.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016797.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016802.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016803.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016804.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016805.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016806.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016813.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016810.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016812.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016816.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016817.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016893.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016903.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016447.html">[Mageia-dev] resolvconf and DHCP domain-search
+</A><A NAME="16447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016979.html">[Mageia-dev] Severe Memory Leakage about X with AMD graphic cards.
+</A><A NAME="16979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016517.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016518.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016527.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016528.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016529.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016530.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016531.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016532.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016534.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016538.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016539.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016540.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016547.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016541.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016542.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016543.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016544.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016545.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016546.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016548.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016561.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016830.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016833.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016862.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016863.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016872.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016873.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016914.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016924.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016925.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016931.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016947.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016798.html">[Mageia-dev] Streamtuner &amp; Streamripper - MIA
+</A><A NAME="16798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016801.html">[Mageia-dev] Streamtuner &amp; Streamripper - MIA
+</A><A NAME="16801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016203.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion to obsolete ncpfs for Mageia 3.
+</A><A NAME="16203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016375.html">[Mageia-dev] sun java issue for mga 1 handling
+</A><A NAME="16375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016596.html">[Mageia-dev] Switch to man-db
+</A><A NAME="16596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016610.html">[Mageia-dev] Switch to man-db
+</A><A NAME="16610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016214.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016218.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016225.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016226.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016242.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016462.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016497.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016950.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="16950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016951.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="16951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016577.html">[Mageia-dev] unable to install lib64tiger-devel
+</A><A NAME="16577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016578.html">[Mageia-dev] unable to install lib64tiger-devel
+</A><A NAME="16578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016512.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016519.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016520.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016521.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016523.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016526.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016533.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016535.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016536.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016537.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016581.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016585.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016587.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016597.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016876.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016878.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016879.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016882.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016884.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016111.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating usb_modeswitch in mga2
+</A><A NAME="16111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016119.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating usb_modeswitch in mga2
+</A><A NAME="16119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016128.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating usb_modeswitch in mga2
+</A><A NAME="16128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016129.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating usb_modeswitch in mga2
+</A><A NAME="16129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016394.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016395.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016396.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016398.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016399.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016400.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016652.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade: Seamonkey 2.10.1
+</A><A NAME="16652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eric Elena
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016053.html">[Mageia-dev] Volunteering to [attempt] packaging.
+</A><A NAME="16053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016996.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="16996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016997.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="16997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016998.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="16998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016554.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016555.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016557.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016558.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016620.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016556.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security issues)
+</A><A NAME="16556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016847.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize	display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016837.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016838.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016841.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016844.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016845.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016846.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016848.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016849.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016850.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016851.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016854.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016859.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016918.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016437.html">[Mageia-dev] Wine MONO/Gecko
+</A><A NAME="16437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016438.html">[Mageia-dev] Wine MONO/Gecko
+</A><A NAME="16438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="016974.html">[Mageia-dev] Xfce 4.10 update for mga2
+</A><A NAME="16974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017030.html">[Mageia-dev] Xfce 4.10 update for mga2
+</A><A NAME="17030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+    </ul>
+    <p>
+      <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> 
+       <i>Sat Jun 30 22:56:26 CEST 2012</i><br>
+    <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Jul  1 19:21:36 CEST 2012</i>
+    <p>
+   <ul>
+         <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+                    </a></b></li>
+     </ul>
+     <p>
+     <hr>
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+      <h1>June 2012 Archives by thread</h1>
+      <ul>
+         <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+	        
+		<a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+		<a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+		<a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+                    </a></b></li>
+      </ul>
+      <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Jun  1 01:43:48 CEST 2012</i><br>
+         <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Jun 30 22:56:26 CEST 2012</i><br>
+         <b>Messages:</b> 1004<p>
+     <ul>
+
+<!--0 01338507828- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016032.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338507828-01338508432- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016033.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338530433- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016034.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-5.16.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01338530916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016035.html">[Mageia-dev] fglrx-8.961-3.mga3 not working with kernel-server-3.4.1-0.rc1.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01338538635- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016036.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-5.16.0-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01338540938- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016037.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338540938-01338626205- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016059.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338540938-01338626205-01338631025- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016060.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01338540938-01338626205-01338632102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016061.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338540938-01338626205-01338632102-01338633438- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016062.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338540938-01338626205-01338632102-01338633438-01338635146- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016063.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338540938-01338626205-01338632102-01338633438-01338635146-01338635934- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016065.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338540938-01338626205-01338632102-01338633438-01338635146-01338635934-01338743446- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016106.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01338540938-01338626205-01338739670- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016101.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01338540938-01338626205-01338821369- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016148.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338540938-01338626205-01338821369-01338822716- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016150.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338540938-01338626205-01338821369-01338822716-01338823858- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016151.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01338540938-01338626205-01338826579- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016155.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338540938-01338626205-01338826579-01338888546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016175.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338540938-01338626205-01338826579-01338889356- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016177.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338540938-01338626205-01338826579-01338889356-01338914804- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016191.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338540938-01338626205-01338826579-01338889356-01338914804-01338929447- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016195.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338540938-01338626205-01338826579-01338889356-01338914804-01338969251- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016206.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338540938-01338626205-01338826579-01338889356-01338914804-01338969251-01338973196- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016207.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338540938-01338626205-01338826579-01338889356-01338914804-01338969251-01338973196-01338984731- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016210.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338540938-01338626205-01338826579-01338889356-01338914804-01338969251-01338973196-01338984731-01338986232- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016212.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338540938-01338626205-01338826579-01338889356-01338914804-01338969251-01338973196-01338984731-01338986232-01338986562- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016213.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338540938-01338626205-01338826579-01338889356-01338914804-01338969251-01338973196-01338984731-01338986232-01338986562-01338988834- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016217.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338541063- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016038.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338541063-01338543785- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016039.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338558264- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016040.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338558264-01338561830- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016043.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338558264-01338561830-01338573330- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016045.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338558264-01338561830-01338573330-01338573735- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016046.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338558264-01338561830-01338573330-01338573735-01338575613- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016047.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01338558264-01338580330- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016049.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338558264-01338580330-01338635269- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016064.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="16064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338560018- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016041.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] New file uploaded: a36225e1f08cc8078bf770307f6855bd1c5a55c0 - Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.054.tar.gz
+</A><A NAME="16041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338560018-01338561386- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016042.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] New file uploaded: a36225e1f08cc8078bf770307f6855bd1c5a55c0 - Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.054.tar.gz
+</A><A NAME="16042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338572901- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016044.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-IO-Compress-2.52.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01338579018- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016048.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338579018-01338582994- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016050.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338579018-01338582994-01338592994- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016051.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338579018-01338582994-01338592994-01338621000- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016054.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338579018-01338582994-01338592994-01338621000-01338621408- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016055.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338579018-01338582994-01338592994-01338621000-01338621408-01338621688- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016056.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338579018-01338582994-01338592994-01338621000-01338621408-01338621688-01338622064- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016057.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338579018-01338582994-01338592994-01338621000-01338621408-01338693204- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016081.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="16081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338579018-01338582994-01338592994-01338621000-01338621408-01338693204-01338739322- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016100.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="16100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01338579018-01338582994-01338622546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016058.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01338579018-01338594332- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016052.html">[Mageia-dev] Clamav
+</A><A NAME="16052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338619300- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016053.html">[Mageia-dev] Volunteering to [attempt] packaging.
+</A><A NAME="16053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01338639476- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016066.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338639476-01338639751- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016067.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01338639476-01338676964- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016076.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338639476-01338676964-01338677250- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016077.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01338639476-01338676964-01338677311- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016078.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338639476-01338676964-01338677311-01338681649- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016079.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338639476-01338676964-01338677311-01338681649-01338682501- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016080.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338639476-01338676964-01338677311-01338681649-01338721948- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016088.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01338639476-01338795350- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016130.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338639476-01338795350-01338795923- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016131.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338639476-01338795350-01338795923-01338799349- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016132.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338639476-01338795350-01338795923-01338799349-01338804184- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016136.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338639476-01338795350-01338795923-01338799349-01338804184-01338809192- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016137.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338639476-01338795350-01338795923-01338810181- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016138.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-13.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338641828- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016068.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338641828-01338642479- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016069.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01338641828-01338643087- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016070.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338641828-01338643087-01338645196- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016071.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338641828-01338643087-01338645196-01338652479- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016072.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338641828-01338643087-01338645196-01338654411- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016073.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338641828-01338643087-01338645196-01338654411-01338654773- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016074.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338641828-01338643087-01338645196-01338654411-01338658576- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016075.html">[Mageia-dev] provide bugfix
+</A><A NAME="16075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338711465- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016082.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338711465-01338715813- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016083.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338711465-01338715813-01338716019- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016084.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338711465-01338715813-01338716019-01338718565- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016087.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01338711465-01338715813-01338718292- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016086.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01338711465-01338722842- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016089.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338711465-01338722842-01338723028- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016090.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338723028-01338723332- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016091.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338723028-01338723332-01338723623- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016092.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338723028-01338723332-01338723623-01338723659- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016093.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338723028-01338723332-01338723716- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016094.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338723028-01338723332-01338723716-01338725047- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016095.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338723028-01338723332-01338723716-01338725047-01338728190- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016096.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338723028-01338723332-01338723716-01338725047-01338728190-01338729448- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016097.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338723028-01338723332-01338723716-01338725047-01338728190-01338729448-01338737792- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016098.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016099.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338739920- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016102.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338739920-01338742017- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016103.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338739920-01338742017-01338742368- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016104.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338739920-01338742017-01338743357- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016105.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338739920-01338742017-01338743357-01338745744- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016107.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338739920-01338742017-01338743357-01338745744-01338747384- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016108.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338739920-01338742017-01338743357-01338745744-01338747384-01338748148- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016109.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338739920-01338742017-01338743357-01338745744-01338747384-01338748406- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016112.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338739920-01338742017-01338743357-01338745744-01338748218- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016110.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338739920-01338742017-01338743357-01338745744-01338748218-01338749861- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016114.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338739920-01338742017-01338743357-01338745744-01338748218-01338749861-01338752837- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016115.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338739920-01338742017-01338743357-01338745744-01338748218-01338756898- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016117.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338739920-01338742017-01338743357-01338745744-01338748218-01338756898-01338760105- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016124.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338739920-01338742017-01338743357-01338745744-01338756970- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016118.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338808224- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016149.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338808224-01338833176- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016160.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338711465-01338722842-01338738767-01338808224-01338833176-01338888882- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016176.html">[Mageia-dev] bug, omission or feature
+</A><A NAME="16176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01338711465-01338759265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016121.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 and Cauldron updated with proper design
+</A><A NAME="16121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338718006- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016085.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4784] use oxygen-gtk theme
+</A><A NAME="16085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01338749152- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016111.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating usb_modeswitch in mga2
+</A><A NAME="16111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338749152-01338758644- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016119.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating usb_modeswitch in mga2
+</A><A NAME="16119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01338749152-01338762021- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016128.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating usb_modeswitch in mga2
+</A><A NAME="16128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338749152-01338762021-01338762900- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016129.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating usb_modeswitch in mga2
+</A><A NAME="16129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338749624- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016113.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4791] revert last commit: as stated by the comment, this is _NOT_ the boot loader
+</A><A NAME="16113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338749624-01338759423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016122.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4791] revert last commit: as stated by the comment, this is _NOT_ the boot loader
+</A><A NAME="16122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338755201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016116.html">[Mageia-dev] Forum support: your help is needed!
+</A><A NAME="16116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01338758930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016120.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338758930-01338759881- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016123.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338758930-01338759881-01338760167- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016125.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01338758930-01338759881-01338760443- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016126.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01338758930-01338759881-01338760475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016127.html">[Mageia-dev] remove moonlight
+</A><A NAME="16127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338800003- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016133.html">[Mageia-dev] libcec &quot;static lib&quot; problem...
+</A><A NAME="16133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338800003-01338801714- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016134.html">[Mageia-dev] libcec &quot;static lib&quot; problem...
+</A><A NAME="16134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338803441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016135.html">[Mageia-dev] coreutils runuser pam config (aka cyrus-imapd refuses to start on mga2).
+</A><A NAME="16135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338803441-01339145657- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016269.html">[Mageia-dev] coreutils runuser pam config (aka cyrus-imapd refuses to start on mga2).
+</A><A NAME="16269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338803441-01339145657-01339229446- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016315.html">[Mageia-dev] coreutils runuser pam config (aka cyrus-imapd refuses to start on mga2).
+</A><A NAME="16315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338811937- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016139.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338811937-01338812264- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016140.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338811937-01338812264-01338813968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016141.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338811937-01338812264-01338813968-01338815633- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016143.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338811937-01338812264-01338813968-01338815633-01338819870- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016146.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338811937-01338812264-01338813968-01338815633-01338819870-01338821305- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016147.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338811937-01338812264-01338813968-01338815633-01338819870-01338825071- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016154.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338811937-01338812264-01338813968-01338815633-01338819870-01338825071-01338831167- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016158.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338811937-01338812264-01338813968-01338815633-01338819870-01338825071-01338831167-01338833859- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016162.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338811937-01338812264-01338813968-01338815633-01338819870-01338825071-01338831167-01338833859-01338834013- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016163.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338811937-01338812264-01338813968-01338815633-01338819870-01338825071-01338831167-01338833859-01338835772- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016164.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338811937-01338812264-01338813968-01338815633-01338819870-01338825071-01338831167-01338833859-01338835772-01338836853- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016166.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338811937-01338812264-01338813968-01338815633-01338819870-01338825071-01338831167-01338835792- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016165.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338811937-01338812264-01338813968-01338815633-01338819870-01338825071-01338831167-01338835792-01338836911- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016167.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338811937-01338812264-01338813968-01338815633-01338819870-01338825071-01338831167-01338835792-01338836911-01338837674- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016168.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338811937-01338812264-01338813968-01338815633-01338819870-01338825071-01338908661- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016185.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338811937-01338812264-01338813968-01338815633-01338819870-01338825071-01338908661-01338916065- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016192.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01338811937-01338812264-01339596098- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016470.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans
+</A><A NAME="16470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338814333- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016142.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libxcb-1.8.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338814333-01338819699- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016145.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libxcb-1.8.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338818070- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016144.html">[Mageia-dev] DistroWatch review
+</A><A NAME="16144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01338822954- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016392.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4789] really use oxygen theme
+</A><A NAME="16392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01338824348- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016152.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338824348-01338824522- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016153.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01338824348-01338833814- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016161.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338824348-01338833814-01338839586- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016169.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01338824348-01338884551- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016171.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338824348-01338884551-01339358431- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016351.html">[Mageia-dev] My proposals for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="16351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338829285- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016156.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4789] really use oxygen theme
+</A><A NAME="16156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hugo Pereira Da Costa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338829285-01338831125- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016157.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4789] really use oxygen theme
+</A><A NAME="16157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338832136- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016159.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338832136-01338846666- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016170.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.12
+</A><A NAME="16170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338884780- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016172.html">[Mageia-dev]   mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338884780-01338886337- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016173.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338884780-01338886337-01338934953- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016197.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01338884780-01339257957- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016325.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338884780-01339257957-01339461123- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016409.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338884780-01339257957-01339461123-01339557488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016451.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338884780-01339257957-01339461123-01339557488-01339572869- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016452.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338884780-01339257957-01339461123-01339557488-01339572869-01339652499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016488.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338884780-01339257957-01339461123-01339557488-01339572869-01339652499-01339690719- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016502.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338884780-01339257957-01339461123-01339557488-01339572869-01339652499-01339690719-01340159497- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016662.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338884780-01339257957-01339461123-01339557488-01339572869-01339652499-01339690719-01340159497-01340171287- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016664.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338884780-01339257957-01339461123-01339557488-01339572869-01339652499-01339690719-01340159497-01340171287-01340175644- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016666.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338884780-01339257957-01339461123-01339557488-01339572869-01339652499-01339690719-01340176488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016667.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="16667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338886955- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016174.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338886955-01338902046- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016181.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338886955-01338902046-01338904430- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016182.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338886955-01338902046-01338904430-01338906053- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016183.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338886955-01338902046-01338904430-01338906053-01338909057- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016187.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338886955-01338902046-01338904430-01338906053-01338909057-01338909958- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016188.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338886955-01338902046-01338904430-01338906053-01338909057-01338909958-01338910244- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016189.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338886955-01338902046-01338904430-01338906053-01338912869- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016190.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338886955-01338902046-01338904430-01338906053-01338929071- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016194.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338886955-01338902046-01338904430-01338906053-01338929071-01338932475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016196.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338886955-01338902046-01338904430-01338906053-01338929071-01338932475-01338937445- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016198.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338886955-01338902046-01338904430-01338906053-01338929071-01338932475-01338937445-01338963774- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016205.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338886955-01338902046-01338904430-01338906053-01338929071-01338932475-01338937445-01338963774-01339189921- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016306.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338886955-01338902046-01338904430-01338906053-01338929071-01338932475-01338937445-01338963774-01339189921-01339191272- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016308.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338886955-01338902046-01338904430-01338906053-01338929071-01338932475-01338942393- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016200.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338886955-01338902046-01338904430-01338906053-01338929071-01338932475-01338942393-01338942752- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016201.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338886955-01338902046-01338904430-01338906053-01338929071-01338932475-01338942393-01338985445- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016211.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338886955-01338902046-01338904430-01338906053-01338929071-01338932475-01339110366- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016259.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01338886955-01338942019- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016199.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338886955-01338942019-01338960522- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016204.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01338886955-01338999470- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016229.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338886955-01338999470-01339075987- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016243.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338886955-01338999470-01339075987-01339085487- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016247.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338886955-01338999470-01339075987-01339085487-01339100683- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016258.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01338886955-01338999470-01339075987-01339085487-01339100683-01339154937- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016277.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 specifications
+</A><A NAME="16277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338890392- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016178.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4806] 3.7
+</A><A NAME="16178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338890392-01338890719- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016179.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4806] 3.7
+</A><A NAME="16179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338900100- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016180.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bcd-3.7-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338900100-01338906244- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016184.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bcd-3.7-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338909052- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016186.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: RepositorySignatures
+</A><A NAME="16186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01338921801- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016193.html">[Mageia-dev] mplayer vdpau backend broken
+</A><A NAME="16193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple .
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01338943565- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016202.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove packages
+</A><A NAME="16202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338943565-01338995989- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016221.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove packages
+</A><A NAME="16221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338943565-01338995989-01338999278- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016228.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove packages
+</A><A NAME="16228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338956213- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016203.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion to obsolete ncpfs for Mageia 3.
+</A><A NAME="16203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01338973788- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016208.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338973788-01338974686- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016209.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01338973788-01338982113- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016222.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338973788-01338982113-01338996846- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016224.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338973788-01338982113-01338996846-01339021357- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016233.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01338973788-01339081162- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016246.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338973788-01339081162-01339163872- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016287.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lua-5.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338988212- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016214.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338988212-01338990114- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016218.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338988212-01338990114-01338998074- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016225.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01338988212-01338990114-01338998074-01338998678- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016226.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01338988212-01339075880- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016242.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338988303- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016215.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for new feature: non-free DVD iso
+</A><A NAME="16215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338988303-01338988478- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016216.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for new feature: non-free DVD iso
+</A><A NAME="16216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338995384- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016219.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo commit question
+</A><A NAME="16219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338995384-01338995741- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016220.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo commit question
+</A><A NAME="16220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01338995384-01338996799- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016223.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo commit question
+</A><A NAME="16223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338995384-01338996799-01338999126- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016227.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo commit question
+</A><A NAME="16227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339000106- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016230.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339000106-01339007866- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016232.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01339000106-01339092290- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016252.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339000106-01339092290-01339098621- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016255.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339000106-01339092290-01339098621-01339099062- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016256.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339000106-01339092290-01339098621-01339144897- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016266.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.12 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339002071- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016231.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	x11-driver-input-aiptek-1.4.1-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339022612- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016235.html">[Mageia-dev] Giving maint or comaint for the packages here - http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/updates.html
+</A><A NAME="16235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339022612-01339058973- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016238.html">[Mageia-dev] Giving maint or comaint for the packages here -	http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/updates.html
+</A><A NAME="16238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339025571- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016234.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34991.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339028000- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016236.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron tainted/release	mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34991.1.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="16236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339028000-01339374176- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016353.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron tainted/release	mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34991.1.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="16353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339054873- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016237.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="16237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339054873-01339147794- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016270.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="16270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339054873-01339147794-01339152835- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016276.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="16276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339063343- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016239.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssh-6.0p1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339063343-01339064236- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016240.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssh-6.0p1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339063343-01339064236-01339072300- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016241.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssh-6.0p1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339077602- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016244.html">[Mageia-dev] #2317: --update option should behave like --search-media &lt;list of the update media&gt;
+</A><A NAME="16244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339077602-01339078435- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016245.html">[Mageia-dev] #2317: --update option should behave	like	--search-media &lt;list of the update media&gt;
+</A><A NAME="16245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339077602-01339078435-01339168266- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016293.html">[Mageia-dev] #2317: --update option should behave like --search-media &lt;list of the update media&gt;
+</A><A NAME="16293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01339077602-01339078435-01339425764- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016382.html">[Mageia-dev] #2317: --update option should behave like --search-media &lt;list of the update media&gt;
+</A><A NAME="16382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339085792- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016248.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels
+</A><A NAME="16248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339085792-01339141564- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016262.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels
+</A><A NAME="16262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01339085792-01339144105- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016264.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels
+</A><A NAME="16264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339087047- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016249.html">[Mageia-dev] No updated Cauldron packages?
+</A><A NAME="16249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339087047-01339087448- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016251.html">[Mageia-dev] No updated Cauldron packages?
+</A><A NAME="16251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01339087047-01339121510- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016260.html">[Mageia-dev] No updated Cauldron packages?  ;SOLVED]
+</A><A NAME="16260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339087398- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016250.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssl-1.0.1c-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339087398-01339093795- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016253.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssl-1.0.1c-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339087398-01339093795-01339094129- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016254.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openssl-1.0.1c-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339100112- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016257.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	task-obsolete-3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339100112-01339129000- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016261.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	task-obsolete-3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339144007- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016263.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339144007-01339149789- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016273.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339144007-01339149789-01339152553- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016274.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339144007-01339149789-01339152553-01339155218- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016280.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339144007-01339209694- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016309.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016330.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339276225- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016331.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016412.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387-01339497065- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016427.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387-01339497065-01339509956- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016439.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387-01339497065-01339728909- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016514.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387-01339497065-01339728909-01339736840- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016515.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387-01339497065-01339728909-01339736840-01339745388- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016516.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387-01339497065-01339728909-01339736840-01339855384- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016562.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387-01339499730- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016431.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387-01339513296- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016440.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387-01339588751- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016453.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387-01339588751-01339589206- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016456.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387-01339588751-01339589206-01339590941- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016457.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387-01339588751-01339589206-01339591706- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016461.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387-01339588751-01339592020- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016463.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387-01339588751-01339592020-01339593607- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016464.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387-01339588751-01339592020-01339593607-01339598272- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016474.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339479387-01339588751-01339594005- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016465.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc
+</A><A NAME="16465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144007-01339209694-01339275219-01339519601- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016441.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet
+</A><A NAME="16441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339144686- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016265.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339144686-01339145382- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016267.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339144686-01339145382-01339145512- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016268.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339145512-01339148459- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016271.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339145512-01339148459-01339155090- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016278.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339145512-01339148459-01339155090-01339155547- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016281.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339145512-01339148459-01339155090-01339155547-01339156055- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016283.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339145512-01339148459-01339155189- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016279.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339145512-01339148459-01339155189-01339176928- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016294.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339145512-01339148459-01339155189-01339176928-01339178212- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016295.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339145512-01339148459-01339155189-01339176928-01339178212-01339182431- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016302.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339145512-01339149566- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016272.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016288.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016289.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339166728- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016290.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339166728-01339178265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016296.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339167504- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016291.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339167504-01339180804- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016300.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339167504-01339180804-01339182341- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016301.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339167504-01339180804-01339182341-01339225901- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016312.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339179654- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016298.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339179654-01339180723- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016299.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339179654-01339180723-01339183096- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016304.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339179654-01339180723-01339187732- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016305.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339179654-01339180723-01339225696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016313.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339179654-01339180723-01339225696-01339236281- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016318.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339179654-01339180723-01339225696-01339236281-01339482330- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016416.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339179654-01339180723-01339225696-01339236281-01339482330-01339494063- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016424.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339179654-01339180723-01339225696-01339236281-01339482330-01339494063-01339913377- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016568.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339179654-01339180723-01339225696-01339236281-01339482330-01339498839- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016428.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339179654-01339180723-01339225696-01339236281-01339482330-01339498839-01339914454- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016567.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339165361-01339179654-01339182962- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016303.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339225592- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016310.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339225592-01339228820- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016314.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339145382-01339164667-01339225592-01339228820-01339231849- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016317.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339144686-01339225582- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016311.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01339144686-01339230298- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016316.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339144686-01339230298-01339237777- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016319.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339144686-01339230298-01339237777-01339238390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016320.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339230298-01339237777-01339238390-01339269977- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016328.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339230298-01339237777-01339238390-01339308670- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016334.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339230298-01339237777-01339267107- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016327.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339230298-01339237777-01339267107-01339270474- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016329.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339230298-01339237777-01339267107-01339270474-01339310842- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016335.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339230298-01339237777-01339267107-01339486196- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016421.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339144686-01339486203- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016420.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339144686-01339486203-01339494467- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016425.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339144686-01339524426- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016443.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339144686-01339524426-01339524602- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016444.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339144686-01339524426-01339524602-01339532609- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016446.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339144686-01339524722- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016445.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339144686-01339524722-01339540425- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016448.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339144686-01339524722-01339540425-01339541596- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016449.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339524722-01339540425-01339541596-01339544886- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016450.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339144686-01339524722-01339540425-01339541596-01339588368- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016454.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)
+</A><A NAME="16454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339152803- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016275.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken web  link
+</A><A NAME="16275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339152803-01339155747- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016282.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken web  link
+</A><A NAME="16282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339158097- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016284.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339158097-01339167670- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016292.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01339158097-01339354047- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016350.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339158097-01339354047-01339363490- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016352.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339158097-01339354047-01339363490-01339374774- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016354.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339158097-01339354047-01339363490-01339374774-01339401413- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016355.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339158097-01339354047-01339363490-01339374774-01339401413-01339401930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016357.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Xavier Bertaux
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339158097-01339354047-01339363490-01339374774-01339401413-01339401930-01339404073- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016358.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339158097-01339354047-01339363490-01339374774-01339401413-01339406398- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016360.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339158097-01339354047-01339363490-01339374774-01339401413-01339406398-01339409639- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016367.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339158097-01339354047-01339363490-01339374774-01339401413-01339406398-01339409639-01339411476- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016368.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339158097-01339354047-01339363490-01339374774-01339401413-01339406398-01339409639-01339411476-01339412076- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016369.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339158097-01339354047-01339363490-01339374774-01339401413-01339408257- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016362.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339158097-01339413071- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016370.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339158097-01339413071-01339909959- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016564.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339158097-01339413071-01339909959-01339912369- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016565.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl regression
+</A><A NAME="16565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339158097-01339452955- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016405.html">[Mageia-dev] Old OpenSSL HOWTO [was Re:  openssl regression]
+</A><A NAME="16405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339161728- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016285.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openttd-1.2.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339163064- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016286.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	openttd-opensfx-0.2.3-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339178497- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016297.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-HTML-Links-Localize-0.2.7-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339189928- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016307.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339189928-01339419059- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016378.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339189928-01339419059-01339485472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016417.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339189928-01339419059-01339485472-01339485901- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016418.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339189928-01339419059-01339485472-01339485901-01339501470- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016435.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339189928-01339419059-01339485472-01339485901-01339501470-01339502439- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016436.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] rpm-4.10.0 in core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339248275- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016321.html">[Mageia-dev] Don't get it -
+</A><A NAME="16321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339248275-01339248552- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016322.html">[Mageia-dev] Don't get it -
+</A><A NAME="16322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01339248275-01339248771- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016323.html">[Mageia-dev] Don't get it -
+</A><A NAME="16323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339248275-01339248771-01339250922- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016324.html">[Mageia-dev] Don't get it -
+</A><A NAME="16324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339261602- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016326.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	viewvc-1.1.13-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339281259- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016332.html">[Mageia-dev] Crashes with Firefox 13 + Flash (inc. fix)
+</A><A NAME="16332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339281259-01339284590- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016333.html">[Mageia-dev] Crashes with Firefox 13 + Flash (inc. fix)
+</A><A NAME="16333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple .
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339314536- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016336.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339314536-01339319518- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016338.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01339314536-01339323620- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016340.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339314536-01339323620-01339329971- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016343.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339314536-01339323620-01339329971-01339338648- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016346.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339314536-01339323620-01339329971-01339338648-01339340142- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016347.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339314536-01339323620-01339329971-01339338648-01339340142-01339342575- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016348.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339314536-01339323620-01339329971-01339338648-01339340142-01339342575-01339343886- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016349.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-google update to 0.4.1 needed
+</A><A NAME="16349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339317906- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016337.html">[Mageia-dev] [updates-announce] MGASA-2012-0107:	quagga-0.99.18-1.2.mga1 (1/core)
+</A><A NAME="16337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339317906-01339321923- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016339.html">[Mageia-dev] [updates-announce] MGASA-2012-0107: quagga-0.99.18-1.2.mga1 (1/core)
+</A><A NAME="16339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339329272- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016342.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339329272-01339451562- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016402.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339329272-01339451562-01339451695- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016403.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339329272-01339451562-01339451695-01339452895- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016404.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339329272-01339451562-01339451695-01339452895-01339453098- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016406.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339329272-01339451562-01339451695-01339452895-01339453098-01339482621- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016415.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-sysadm]  Feature:RpmDrakeShowsAdvisories
+</A><A NAME="16415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339329368- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016341.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:Grub2AsDefault (need adopters)
+</A><A NAME="16341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339332558- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016344.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:InstallerLeftSideRedesign (need	adopters/comments)
+</A><A NAME="16344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339333732- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016345.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign (need help with this)
+</A><A NAME="16345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339401595- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016356.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339401595-01339408350- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016363.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339401595-01339408350-01339408785- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016364.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339401595-01339408350-01339408785-01339421205- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016379.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01339401595-01339408350-01339408873- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016365.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Testing Request: Microcode
+</A><A NAME="16365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339405096- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016359.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DrakXtoolsReview
+</A><A NAME="16359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339405096-01339594963- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016468.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DrakXtoolsReview
+</A><A NAME="16468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339405096-01339594963-01339597357- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016473.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DrakXtoolsReview
+</A><A NAME="16473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339405096-01339594963-01339597357-01339599525- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016475.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:DrakXtoolsReview
+</A><A NAME="16475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339407662- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016361.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet and IPv6
+</A><A NAME="16361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339409153- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016366.html">[Mageia-dev] How to Test the new uClibc?
+</A><A NAME="16366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339409153-01339650663- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016487.html">[Mageia-dev] How to Test the new uClibc?
+</A><A NAME="16487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339413251- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016371.html">[Mageia-dev] Freeze push: libmbfl
+</A><A NAME="16371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339413366- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016372.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339413366-01339423373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016380.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339413366-01339423373-01339424986- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016381.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339413366-01339423373-01339424986-01339468467- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016411.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339413366-01339423373-01339424986-01339645501- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016484.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	libmbfl-1.2.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339416841- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016373.html">[Mageia-dev] GCC and GLIBC plans for mga3
+</A><A NAME="16373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339416841-01339417703- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016374.html">[Mageia-dev] GCC and GLIBC plans for mga3
+</A><A NAME="16374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01339416841-01339418485- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016376.html">[Mageia-dev] GCC and GLIBC plans for mga3
+</A><A NAME="16376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01339416841-01339418720- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016377.html">[Mageia-dev] GCC and GLIBC plans for mga3
+</A><A NAME="16377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339417809- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016375.html">[Mageia-dev] sun java issue for mga 1 handling
+</A><A NAME="16375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339430932- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016393.html">[Mageia-dev] QT3 in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="16393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339435339- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016394.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339435339-01339436538- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016395.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339435339-01339436538-01339437841- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016396.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339435339-01339436538-01339437841-01339439001- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016398.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339435339-01339436538-01339437841-01339439001-01339439071- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016399.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01339435339-01339436538-01339440688- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016400.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade errors today
+</A><A NAME="16400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339437880- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016397.html">[Mageia-dev] QT3 in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="16397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339444076- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016401.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-artwork] Mageia 2 beta 3 available for	tests
+</A><A NAME="16401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339444076-01339453827- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016407.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-artwork] Mageia 2 beta 3 available for	tests
+</A><A NAME="16407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339460986- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016408.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339460986-01339461477- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016410.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339460986-01339461477-01339482378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016414.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339460986-01339461477-01339482378-01339489305- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016422.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339460986-01339461477-01339482378-01339489305-01339626504- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016481.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339460986-01339461477-01339482378-01339489305-01339626504-01339661166- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016493.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339460986-01339461477-01339482378-01339489305-01339626504-01339661166-01339673813- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016500.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01339460986-01339461477-01339626627- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016482.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339460986-01339461477-01339626627-01339659059- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016492.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339460986-01339461477-01339626627-01339659059-01339661668- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016494.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339481640- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016413.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Accessibility in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="16413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339481640-01339499976- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016432.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Accessibility in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="16432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339486900- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016419.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339486900-01339491265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016423.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339486900-01339491265-01339626409- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016480.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339486900-01339491265-01339626409-01339661986- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016495.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339486900-01339491265-01339626409-01339661986-01339705387- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016507.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339486900-01339491265-01339626409-01339661986-01339705387-01339706428- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016508.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339486900-01339491265-01339626409-01339661986-01339705387-01339706428-01339712496- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016511.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339496881- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016426.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature: Dynamic screen for packages choice
+</A><A NAME="16426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339498888- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016429.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339498888-01339499312- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016430.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01339498888-01339499995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016433.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339498888-01339499995-01339501167- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016434.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339498888-01339844958- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016551.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339498888-01339844958-01339846402- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016552.html">[Mageia-dev] QA process for GNOME 3.4.2 for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="16552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339503251- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016437.html">[Mageia-dev] Wine MONO/Gecko
+</A><A NAME="16437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339503251-01339508118- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016438.html">[Mageia-dev] Wine MONO/Gecko
+</A><A NAME="16438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339523960- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016442.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass ping: continued
+</A><A NAME="16442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339539400- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016447.html">[Mageia-dev] resolvconf and DHCP domain-search
+</A><A NAME="16447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339588422- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016455.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339588422-01339590581- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016458.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339588422-01339590581-01339591557- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016459.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339588422-01339590581-01339591557-01339611593- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016478.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01339588422-01339590581-01339591587- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016460.html">[Mageia-dev] openssl install conflicts?
+</A><A NAME="16460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339591899- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016462.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339591899-01339667064- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016497.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="16497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339594246- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016466.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339594246-01339594711- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016467.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339594246-01339594711-01339596308- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016471.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339594246-01339594711-01339596308-01339596807- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016472.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339594246-01339594711-01339596308-01339596807-01339601896- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016476.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339594246-01339604887- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016477.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: Chrony as default NTP client
+</A><A NAME="16477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339595890- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016469.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	gambas3-3.1.1-1.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="16469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339618978- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016479.html">[Mageia-dev] QA bugs for MGA1 and MGA2
+</A><A NAME="16479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339618978-01339666374- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016496.html">[Mageia-dev] QA bugs for MGA1 and MGA2
+</A><A NAME="16496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339642112- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016483.html">[Mageia-dev] proposed feature: installer cleanup
+</A><A NAME="16483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steve Havelka
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339642112-01339647768- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016485.html">[Mageia-dev] proposed feature: installer cleanup
+</A><A NAME="16485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339647904- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016486.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339647904-01339655287- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016490.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nfs-utils-1.2.6-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339652625- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016489.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339652625-01339657734- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016491.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339652625-01339657734-01339690422- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016501.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339652625-01339657734-01339690422-01339692408- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016504.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339652625-01339657734-01339690422-01339692408-01339692864- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016505.html">[Mageia-dev] problems installing lib64dbusmenu-gtk-devel
+</A><A NAME="16505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339667352- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016498.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339667352-01339691003- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016503.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01339667352-01339704629- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016506.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339667352-01339704629-01339707043- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016509.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339667352-01339704629-01339707043-01339709125- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016510.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339667352-01339704629-01339707043-01339709125-01339971391- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016584.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339667352-01339704629-01339707043-01339709125-01339971391-01340154315- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016661.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339667352-01339704629-01339707043-01339709125-01339971391-01340154315-01340292132- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016707.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339667352-01339958073- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016579.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339667352-01339958073-01339960231- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016580.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy
+</A><A NAME="16580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339668464- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016499.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4943] - Fixed German translation
+</A><A NAME="16499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339720942- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016512.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339720942-01339750009- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016519.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01339720942-01339750432- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016520.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339720942-01339750432-01339753087- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016521.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339720942-01339750432-01339753087-01339755603- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016523.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339720942-01339750432-01339753087-01339755603-01339761077- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016526.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01339720942-01339750432-01339766609- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016533.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339720942-01339750432-01339766609-01339767539- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016535.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339720942-01339750432-01339766609-01339767539-01339768848- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016536.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339720942-01339750432-01339766609-01339767539-01339768848-01339769543- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016537.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339720942-01339750432-01339766609-01339767539-01339960218- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016581.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339720942-01339750432-01339766609-01339767539-01339960218-01339971493- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016585.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339720942-01339750432-01339766609-01339767539-01339960218-01339971493-01339988141- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016587.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339720942-01339750432-01339766609-01339767539-01339960218-01339971493-01340011449- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016597.html">[Mageia-dev] unpackaged files lurking in the weeds
+</A><A NAME="16597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339726742- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016513.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia mentor
+</A><A NAME="16513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339748710- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016517.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339748710-01339749648- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016518.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339748710-01339749648-01339761393- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016527.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016528.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440-01339762569- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016529.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440-01339762569-01339763061- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016531.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440-01339762569-01339763061-01339764326- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016532.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440-01339762569-01339763061-01339764326-01339766916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016534.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440-01339762569-01339763061-01339764326-01339766916-01339772263- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016538.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440-01339762569-01339763061-01339764326-01339766916-01339772263-01339773889- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016547.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440-01339762569-01339763061-01339764326-01339766916-01339772263-01339773889-01339792122- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016548.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440-01339762569-01339763061-01339764326-01339772370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016539.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440-01339762569-01339763061-01339764326-01339772370-01339773499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016540.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440-01339762569-01339763061-01339764326-01339772370-01339773499-01339775647- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016541.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440-01339762569-01339763061-01339764326-01339772370-01339773499-01339775647-01339776508- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016542.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440-01339762569-01339763061-01339764326-01339772370-01339773499-01339775647-01339776508-01339781838- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016543.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440-01339762569-01339763061-01339764326-01339772370-01339773499-01339775647-01339776508-01339781838-01339782199- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016544.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440-01339762569-01339763061-01339764326-01339772370-01339773499-01339775647-01339776508-01339781838-01339782199-01339782982- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016545.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440-01339762569-01339763061-01339764326-01339772370-01339773499-01339775647-01339776508-01339781838-01339782199-01339782982-01339783928- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016546.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339748710-01339749648-01339762440-01339762743- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016530.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339748710-01339878718- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016561.html">[Mageia-dev] Skype 4.0 for Linux - Package request
+</A><A NAME="16561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339754527- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016522.html">[Mageia-dev] [PATCH]: fix %setup with ruby gems for rpmbuild
+</A><A NAME="16522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339755390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016524.html">[Mageia-dev] Fortune Cookies Collections Policy
+</A><A NAME="16524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339755390-01339757313- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016525.html">[Mageia-dev] Fortune Cookies Collections Policy
+</A><A NAME="16525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339755390-01339757313-01339912462- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016566.html">[Mageia-dev] Fortune Cookies Collections Policy
+</A><A NAME="16566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339796431- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016549.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339796431-01339835930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016550.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339796431-01339835930-01339852214- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016553.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339796431-01339835930-01339852214-01339860904- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016559.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339796431-01339835930-01339852214-01339860904-01339863826- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016560.html">[Mageia-dev] No GUI available to burn iso into USB sticks
+</A><A NAME="16560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339852462- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016554.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339852462-01339852708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016555.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339852462-01339852708-01339854272- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016556.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security issues)
+</A><A NAME="16556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339852462-01339852708-01339854272-01340040710- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016620.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01339852462-01339852708-01339857291- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016557.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339852462-01339852708-01339857291-01339860782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016558.html">[Mageia-dev] We need a Python maintainer (&amp; help with security	issues)
+</A><A NAME="16558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339908417- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016563.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339908417-01339918475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016569.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339908417-01339918475-01339926516- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016570.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01339908417-01339918475-01339926967- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016571.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016574.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016599.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013795- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016601.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013795-01340089834- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016632.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013795-01340089834-01340090812- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016633.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013919- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016602.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013919-01340019188- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016604.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013919-01340019188-01340032203- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016616.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013919-01340019188-01340032203-01340067791- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016630.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013919-01340019188-01340033656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016617.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013919-01340019188-01340033656-01340065775- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016629.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013919-01340019188-01340033656-01340065775-01340097376- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016637.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013919-01340019188-01340033656-01340065775-01340097376-01340104909- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016639.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013919-01340019188-01340033656-01340065775-01340097376-01340104909-01340105197- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016640.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013919-01340019188-01340033656-01340065775-01340097376-01340104909-01340105197-01340106859- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016642.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013919-01340019188-01340033656-01340065775-01340097376-01340104909-01340105197-01340106859-01340112479- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016650.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013919-01340019188-01340033656-01340065775-01340097376-01340104909-01340105197-01340106859-01340112479-01340116873- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016653.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013919-01340019188-01340033656-01340065775-01340097376-01340104909-01340105197-01340106859-01340112479-01340116873-01340118421- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016654.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013919-01340019188-01340033656-01340065775-01340097376-01340104909-01340105197-01340106859-01340112479-01340116873-01340118421-01340119071- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016655.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013919-01340019188-01340033656-01340065775-01340097376-01340104909-01340105197-01340106859-01340112479-01340116873-01340118421-01340119071-01340145608- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016660.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339908417-01339918475-01339949181-01340013159-01340013919-01340019188-01340033656-01340065775-01340097376-01340104909-01340105197-01340106859-01340112479-01340116873-01340118421-01340119071-01340145608-01340174711- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016665.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339908417-01340204279- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016691.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request
+</A><A NAME="16691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339931937- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016572.html">[Mageia-dev] bug in urpmi-proxy
+</A><A NAME="16572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339931937-01339946923- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016573.html">[Mageia-dev] bug in urpmi-proxy
+</A><A NAME="16573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339931937-01339946923-01339956950- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016576.html">[Mageia-dev] bug in urpmi-proxy
+</A><A NAME="16576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339931937-01339946923-01339956950-01340085267- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016631.html">[Mageia-dev] bug in urpmi-proxy
+</A><A NAME="16631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339954975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016575.html">[Mageia-dev] [help] does openmpi works under iurt?
+</A><A NAME="16575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339954975-01340551017- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016799.html">[Mageia-dev] [help] does openmpi works under iurt?
+</A><A NAME="16799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339954975-01340551017-01340556336- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016800.html">[Mageia-dev] [help] does openmpi works under iurt?
+</A><A NAME="16800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339958331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016577.html">[Mageia-dev] unable to install lib64tiger-devel
+</A><A NAME="16577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339958331-01339958687- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016578.html">[Mageia-dev] unable to install lib64tiger-devel
+</A><A NAME="16578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339964472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016582.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339964472-01339965890- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016583.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339964472-01339965890-01339999136- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016588.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339964472-01339965890-01339999136-01340007227- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016595.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01339964472-01339965890-01340142922- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016659.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339974940- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016586.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339974940-01339999419- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016589.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339974940-01339999419-01340007115- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016594.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339974940-01339999419-01340007115-01340053468- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016625.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01339999419-01340007115-01340053468-01340054883- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016627.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01339999419-01340007115-01340053468-01340054883-01340056032- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016628.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01339999419-01340007115-01340053468-01340054883-01340056032-01340093266- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016635.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01339999419-01340007115-01340053468-01340054883-01340056032-01340093266-01340095045- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016636.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01339999419-01340007115-01340053468-01340054883-01340056032-01340093266-01340095045-01340104779- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016638.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01339999419-01340007115-01340053468-01340054883-01340056032-01340093266-01340095045-01340104779-01340105636- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016641.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01339999419-01340007115-01340053468-01340054883-01340056032-01340093266-01340095045-01340104779-01340105636-01340108275- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016644.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339974940-01340021957- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016605.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01339974940-01340054108- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016626.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01339974940-01340356708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016735.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016737.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016747.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016750.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340374672- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016751.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340374672-01340615413- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016807.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340374672-01340615413-01340618657- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016811.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340374672-01340615413-01340618657-01340619975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016814.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340374672-01340615413-01340618657-01340619975-01340691090- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016828.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340616305- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016808.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340616305-01340617096- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016809.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340616305-01340617096-01340699819- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016829.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340616305-01340617096-01340699819-01340702441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016831.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340616305-01340617096-01340699819-01340702441-01340702847- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016832.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340616305-01340617096-01340699819-01340702441-01340702847-01340710888- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016836.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340616305-01340617096-01340699819-01340702441-01340702847-01340710888-01340718423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016839.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340616305-01340617096-01340699819-01340702441-01340702847-01340710888-01340718423-01340718565- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016840.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340616305-01340617096-01340699819-01340702441-01340702847-01340710888-01340718423-01340718565-01340718896- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016842.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340616305-01340617096-01340699819-01340702441-01340702847-01340710888-01340718423-01340718565-01340718896-01340719520- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016843.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340616305-01340617096-01340699819-01340702441-01340702847-01340710888-01340926500- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016981.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340616305-01340617096-01340699819-01340702441-01340702847-01340710888-01340926500-01340930882- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016982.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340616305-01340617096-01340699819-01340702441-01340702847-01340710888-01340926500-01340930882-01340958270- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016986.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340616305-01340617096-01340699819-01340702441-01340702847-01340710888-01340926500-01340930882-01340958270-01340959982- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016988.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340356708-01340359219-01340364997-01340369915-01340616305-01340617096-01340699819-01340702441-01340702847-01340710888-01340926500-01340930882-01340958270-01340959982-01340961254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016989.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339974940-01340825504- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016945.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339974940-01340825504-01340832104- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016949.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339974940-01340825504-01340832104-01340871670- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016960.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340825504-01340832104-01340871670-01340873685- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016963.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340825504-01340832104-01340871670-01340873685-01340875035- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016967.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron	updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339974940-01340825504-01340832104-01340871670-01340873685-01340875035-01340885762- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016971.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: For the brave. systemd v185 in cauldron updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="16971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340000917- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016590.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing	systemd-185-0.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340003600- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016591.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing	systemd-185-0.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340003600-01340006684- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016593.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing	systemd-185-0.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340005616- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016592.html">[Mageia-dev] Lemonldap-ng's spec rewrite
+</A><A NAME="16592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340005616-01340013696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016600.html">[Mageia-dev] Lemonldap-ng's spec rewrite
+</A><A NAME="16600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340005616-01340013696-01340014628- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016603.html">[Mageia-dev] Lemonldap-ng's spec rewrite
+</A><A NAME="16603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340008185- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016596.html">[Mageia-dev] Switch to man-db
+</A><A NAME="16596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340008185-01340027586- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016610.html">[Mageia-dev] Switch to man-db
+</A><A NAME="16610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340012536- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016598.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4978] update distro credit for	mageia
+</A><A NAME="16598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340012536-01340025801- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016609.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4978] update distro credit for	mageia
+</A><A NAME="16609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340012536-01340025801-01340030917- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016613.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4978] update distro credit for	mageia
+</A><A NAME="16613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340022418- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016606.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from Fedora	RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340022418-01340024543- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016607.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from Fedora	RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340022418-01340024543-01340025175- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016608.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from	Fedora	RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340022418-01340024543-01340025175-01340030443- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016611.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from Fedora RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340022418-01340024543-01340025175-01340030443-01340180114- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016669.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [261308] Imported from Fedora	RawHide
+</A><A NAME="16669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340030444- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016612.html">[Mageia-dev] 64-bit urpmi not &quot;seeing&quot; Core 32 even if enabled ?
+</A><A NAME="16612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340030444-01340032122- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016614.html">[Mageia-dev] 64-bit urpmi not &quot;seeing&quot; Core 32 even if enabled ?
+</A><A NAME="16614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340030444-01340032122-01340034284- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016618.html">[Mageia-dev] 64-bit urpmi not &quot;seeing&quot; Core 32 even if enabled ?
+</A><A NAME="16618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340030444-01340032122-01340034284-01340034619- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016619.html">[Mageia-dev] 64-bit urpmi not &quot;seeing&quot; Core 32 even if enabled ?
+</A><A NAME="16619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340032157- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016615.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng-1.2.0
+</A><A NAME="16615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340043874- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016621.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340043874-01340047429- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016622.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340043874-01340047429-01340047944- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016623.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340043874-01340047429-01340047944-01340050136- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016624.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340043874-01340047429-01340047944-01340050136-01340107313- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016643.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340043874-01340047429-01340047944-01340050136-01340107313-01340108476- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016645.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340043874-01340047429-01340047944-01340050136-01340107313-01340108476-01340109489- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016647.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340043874-01340047429-01340047944-01340050136-01340107313-01340112017- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016648.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340043874-01340047429-01340047944-01340050136-01340107313-01340112017-01340112366- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016649.html">[Mageia-dev] Python package
+</A><A NAME="16649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340087736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016646.html">[Mageia-dev] [cauldron]SSL disabled due to library version mismatch
+</A><A NAME="16646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340092206- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016634.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340114464- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016651.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340114464-01340128001- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016656.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340114464-01340128001-01340131854- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016657.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01340114464-01340128001-01340139546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016658.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340114464-01340128001-01340139546-01340179283- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016668.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="16668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340117564- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016652.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade: Seamonkey 2.10.1
+</A><A NAME="16652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eric Elena
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340169843- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016663.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lmms-0.4.13-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340169843-01340183852- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016670.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lmms-0.4.13-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340169843-01340183852-01340184751- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016671.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lmms-0.4.13-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340169843-01340183852-01340184751-01340184851- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016672.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	lmms-0.4.13-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340189155- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016673.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340189155-01340191883- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016674.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340189155-01340191883-01340192744- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016675.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340189155-01340191883-01340192744-01340193743- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016676.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340189155-01340191883-01340192744-01340193944- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016677.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340189155-01340191883-01340192744-01340193944-01340194528- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016679.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340189155-01340191883-01340192744-01340193944-01340194528-01340195210- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016681.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340189155-01340191883-01340192744-01340193944-01340194528-01340195210-01340196862- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016685.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340189155-01340191883-01340192744-01340193944-01340194528-01340195210-01340196862-01340197914- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016687.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340189155-01340191883-01340192744-01340193944-01340194528-01340195210-01340196862-01340197914-01340198339- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016688.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340189155-01340191883-01340192744-01340193944-01340194528-01340195210-01340196862-01340197914-01340198339-01340198614- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016689.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340189155-01340191883-01340192744-01340193944-01340194528-01340195230- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016682.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340189155-01340191883-01340192744-01340193944-01340194528-01340195884- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016683.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340189155-01340191883-01340192744-01340193944-01340194528-01340195884-01340196013- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016684.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340189155-01340191883-01340192744-01340193944-01340195080- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016680.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340189155-01340191883-01340192744-01340194391- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016678.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340189155-01340198357- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016690.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging amrwb ?
+</A><A NAME="16690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340197615- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016686.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with package versions
+</A><A NAME="16686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340274959- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016692.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340274959-01340276722- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016693.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01340274959-01340277756- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016694.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340274959-01340277756-01340277924- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016695.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340274959-01340277756-01340277924-01340278879- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016698.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340277756-01340277924-01340278879-01340281362- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016699.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01340274959-01340277756-01340278210- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016696.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340274959-01340277756-01340278210-01340278725- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016697.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340277756-01340278210-01340278725-01340281720- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016700.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340277756-01340278210-01340278725-01340281720-01340288084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016706.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340277756-01340278210-01340278725-01340281720-01340288084-01340292425- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016708.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340277756-01340278210-01340278725-01340281720-01340288084-01340292425-01340293018- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016710.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340277756-01340278210-01340278725-01340281720-01340288084-01340292425-01340293018-01340300365- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016714.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340277756-01340278210-01340278725-01340281720-01340288084-01340292425-01340293018-01340300365-01340360715- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016740.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340277756-01340278210-01340278725-01340281720-01340288084-01340292425-01340293018-01340300365-01340360715-01340361262- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016741.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340277756-01340278210-01340278725-01340281720-01340288084-01340292425-01340293018-01340300373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016713.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340277756-01340278210-01340278725-01340281720-01340288084-01340292425-01340293018-01340300373-01340300489- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016715.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340274959-01340292965- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016709.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340274959-01340292965-01340293251- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016711.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340274959-01340292965-01340293251-01340299998- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016712.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340292965-01340293251-01340299998-01340300677- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016716.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340274959-01340301711- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016717.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016718.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340302872- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016719.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016721.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512-01340312488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016722.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512-01340312488-01340313470- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016723.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512-01340312488-01340313470-01340316846- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016724.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512-01340312488-01340313470-01340316846-01340355377- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016729.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512-01340312488-01340355045- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016728.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512-01340312488-01340355045-01340360441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016739.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512-01340312488-01340355045-01340360441-01340366414- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016749.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512-01340312488-01340355045-01340360441-01340366414-01340380632- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016752.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512-01340312488-01340359812- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016738.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512-01340312488-01340359812-01340361766- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016743.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512-01340312488-01340359812-01340361766-01340362690- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016745.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512-01340312488-01340359812-01340361766-01340362690-01340380772- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016753.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512-01340312488-01340359812-01340361766-01340362690-01340380772-01340382894- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016756.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512-01340312488-01340359812-01340361766-01340362690-01340380772-01340382894-01340388602- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016759.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512-01340312488-01340359812-01340361766-01340362690-01340380772-01340382894-01340388602-01340390086- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016761.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340306512-01340312488-01340359812-01340361766-01340364506- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016746.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340361444- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016742.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340361444-01340362436- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016744.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340361444-01340362436-01340365577- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016748.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340361444-01340362436-01340365577-01340380839- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016754.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340361444-01340362436-01340365577-01340380839-01340382559- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016755.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340361444-01340362436-01340365577-01340380839-01340382559-01340383085- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016757.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340361444-01340362436-01340365577-01340380839-01340382559-01340383085-01340388718- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016760.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340361444-01340362436-01340365577-01340380839-01340382559-01340383085-01340388718-01340403290- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016764.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340361444-01340362436-01340365577-01340380839-01340382559-01340383085-01340388718-01340403290-01340405323- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016766.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340361444-01340362436-01340365577-01340380839-01340382559-01340383085-01340388718-01340403290-01340405323-01340408398- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016768.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340274959-01340301711-01340302145-01340361444-01340362436-01340365577-01340380839-01340382559-01340383085-01340388718-01340403290-01340405323-01340408398-01340477168- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016783.html">[Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave	like --search-media
+</A><A NAME="16783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340281715- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016701.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340281715-01340283538- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016702.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340281715-01340283538-01340283569- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016703.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340281715-01340283538-01340283569-01340284484- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016704.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340281715-01340283538-01340283569-01340284484-01340284808- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016705.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340281715-01340283538-01340283569-01340284484-01340284808-01340356569- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016733.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340281715-01340283538-01340283569-01340284484-01340284808-01340356569-01340356635- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016734.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340303725- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016720.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340303725-01340356495- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016732.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340303725-01340356495-01340384562- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016758.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340303725-01340356495-01340384562-01340534836- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016793.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340303725-01340356495-01340384562-01340534836-01340535708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016794.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340303725-01340356495-01340384562-01340534836-01340535708-01340537473- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016796.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 Installer - Possible License bug
+</A><A NAME="16796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340334217- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016725.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo, svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340334217-01340352013- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016727.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340334217-01340352013-01340358316- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016736.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340334217-01340356112- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016730.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340334217-01340356112-01340966957- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016992.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340334217-01340356112-01340966957-01340967854- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016993.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian	server
+</A><A NAME="16993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340334217-01340356112-01340966957-01340967854-01340968503- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016994.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo, svn and working from external debian	server
+</A><A NAME="16994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340334217-01340356112-01340966957-01340970079- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016995.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340334217-01340356112-01340966957-01340970079-01340972928- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016999.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="16999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340334217-01340356112-01340966957-01340970079-01340972928-01340973321- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017000.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340334217-01340356112-01340966957-01340970079-01340972928-01340973321-01340973594- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017001.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340334217-01340356112-01340966957-01340970079-01340972928-01340973321-01340973594-01340973821- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017003.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340334217-01340356112-01340966957-01340970079-01340972928-01340973321-01340973594-01340973821-01340976449- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017005.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340334217-01340356112-01340966957-01340970079-01340972928-01340973321-01340973594-01340973821-01340976449-01340976818- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017007.html">[Mageia-dev] [SOLVED] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340334217-01340356112-01340966957-01340970079-01340972928-01340973321-01340973800- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017002.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo,	svn and working from external debian server
+</A><A NAME="17002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340344306- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016726.html">[Mageia-dev] 'Cauldron' version is not report anymore
+</A><A NAME="16726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340344306-01340356410- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016731.html">[Mageia-dev] 'Cauldron' version is not report anymore
+</A><A NAME="16731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340397719- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016762.html">[Mageia-dev] A Usable Browser Media Playback Plugin At Last - npapi-vlc-2.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340397719-01340401963- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016763.html">[Mageia-dev] A Usable Browser Media Playback Plugin At Last -	npapi-vlc-2.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340397719-01340401963-01340456762- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016777.html">[Mageia-dev] A Usable Browser Media Playback Plugin At Last - npapi-vlc-2.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340404945- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016765.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340404945-01340406003- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016767.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340404945-01340406003-01340430820- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016769.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340404945-01340406003-01340430820-01340431415- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016770.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340404945-01340406003-01340430820-01340431415-01340442656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016771.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340404945-01340406003-01340430820-01340431415-01340442656-01340444675- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016772.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340404945-01340406003-01340430820-01340431415-01340442656-01340444675-01340447954- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016773.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340404945-01340406003-01340430820-01340431415-01340442656-01340444675-01340447954-01340486581- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016786.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340404945-01340406003-01340430820-01340431415-01340442656-01340444675-01340447954-01340706041- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016834.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340404945-01340406003-01340430820-01340431415-01340442656-01340444675-01340485997- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016785.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340404945-01340406003-01340430820-01340431415-01340442656-01340444675-01340485997-01340650660- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016818.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb: update for mga2?
+</A><A NAME="16818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340452214- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016774.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340452214-01340454264- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016775.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340452214-01340454264-01340454510- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016776.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01340452214-01340454264-01340505446- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016788.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340452214-01340454264-01340505446-01340530378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016790.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340452214-01340457465- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016778.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340452214-01340457465-01340457643- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016779.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340452214-01340457465-01340457643-01340510234- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016789.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340452214-01340457465-01340457643-01340510234-01340533228- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016792.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340452214-01340457465-01340457643-01340618499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016810.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340452214-01340457465-01340457643-01340618499-01340619533- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016812.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340452214-01340457465-01340457643-01340618499-01340649956- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016817.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01340452214-01340457465-01340457702- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016780.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340452214-01340457465-01340457702-01340505087- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016787.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340452214-01340457465-01340457702-01340505087-01340538161- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016797.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340452214-01340457465-01340457702-01340505087-01340538161-01340570820- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016802.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340452214-01340457465-01340457702-01340505087-01340538161-01340570820-01340577379- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016803.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340452214-01340457465-01340457702-01340505087-01340538161-01340570820-01340577379-01340602160- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016804.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340452214-01340457465-01340457702-01340505087-01340538161-01340570820-01340577379-01340602160-01340606858- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016805.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340452214-01340457465-01340457702-01340505087-01340538161-01340570820-01340577379-01340609070- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016806.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340452214-01340457465-01340457702-01340505087-01340538161-01340570820-01340577379-01340609070-01340792974- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016893.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340452214-01340457465-01340457702-01340505087-01340538161-01340570820-01340577379-01340617700- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016813.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01340452214-01340457465-01340476286- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016782.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340452214-01340485849- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016784.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01340452214-01340532642- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016791.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01340452214-01340536504- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016795.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01340452214-01340636977- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016816.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01340452214-01340794819- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016903.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="16903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340473539- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016781.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed-0.90.0-13.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340541588- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016798.html">[Mageia-dev] Streamtuner &amp; Streamripper - MIA
+</A><A NAME="16798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340541588-01340560349- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016801.html">[Mageia-dev] Streamtuner &amp; Streamripper - MIA
+</A><A NAME="16801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340622429- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016815.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 6493] &quot;simplew&quot; Should be Granted a Commit Bit
+</A><A NAME="16815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340622429-01340664902- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016824.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 6493] &quot;simplew&quot; Should be Granted a Commit Bit
+</A><A NAME="16824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01340622429-01340665073- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016825.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 6493] &quot;simplew&quot; Should be Granted a Commit Bit
+</A><A NAME="16825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340652064- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016819.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340652064-01340656083- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016820.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340652064-01340656083-01340663474- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016822.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340652064-01340663148- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016821.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340652064-01340663148-01340826965- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016944.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340652064-01340664696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016823.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340652064-01340664696-01340666988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016826.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01340652064-01340664696-01340672383- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016827.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340652064-01340664696-01340672383-01340743424- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016860.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340652064-01340664696-01340672383-01340743424-01340778935- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016870.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340652064-01340664696-01340672383-01340743424-01340778935-01340813359- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016932.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340652064-01340664696-01340672383-01340743424-01340778935-01340815510- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016933.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340652064-01340664696-01340672383-01340743424-01340778935-01340815510-01340822243- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016942.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340652064-01340664696-01340672383-01340743424-01340778935-01340815510-01340822243-01340847961- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016954.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340652064-01340664696-01340672383-01340743424-01340778935-01340815510-01340822243-01340847961-01340882952- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016970.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340652064-01340664696-01340672383-01340743424-01340778935-01340815510-01340822243-01340847961-01340882952-01340886402- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016972.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="16972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340700900- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016830.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340700900-01340703329- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016833.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01340700900-01340745406- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016862.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340700900-01340745406-01340748907- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016863.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340700900-01340745406-01340748907-01340778483- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016872.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340700900-01340745406-01340748907-01340778483-01340781986- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016873.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01340700900-01340745406-01340801581- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016914.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340700900-01340745406-01340801581-01340808025- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016924.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340700900-01340745406-01340801581-01340808025-01340808266- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016925.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340700900-01340745406-01340801581-01340808025-01340808266-01340810550- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016931.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340700900-01340827913- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016947.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="16947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340707275- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016835.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron mariadb planned changes
+</A><A NAME="16835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340715436- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016837.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340715436-01340717755- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016838.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340715436-01340717755-01340720336- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016844.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340715436-01340717755-01340720336-01340742969- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016859.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340715436-01340717755-01340720336-01340742969-01340804096- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016918.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340715436-01340718682- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016841.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340715436-01340718682-01340720772- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016845.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340715436-01340718682-01340720772-01340722150- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016846.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340715436-01340718682-01340720772-01340723680- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016848.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340715436-01340718682-01340720772-01340723680-01340725915- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016849.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340715436-01340718682-01340720772-01340723680-01340725915-01340727184- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016850.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340715436-01340718682-01340720772-01340723680-01340725915-01340727184-01340730090- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016854.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340715436-01340718682-01340720772-01340723680-01340725915-01340728502- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016851.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01340715436-01340718682-01340722448- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016847.html">[Mageia-dev] What is Mageia's policy reagarding filesize	display? (units/base 2 vs base 10)
+</A><A NAME="16847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340729155- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016852.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
+</A><A NAME="16852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340729155-01340729770- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016853.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
+</A><A NAME="16853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340729155-01340729770-01340753765- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016864.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
+</A><A NAME="16864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Agron Selimaj
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340738710- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016855.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340738710-01340740015- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016857.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016874.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016899.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016906.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340797781- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016909.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340797781-01340803415- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016917.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340797781-01340803415-01340804474- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016920.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340797781-01340803415-01340804474-01340807813- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016922.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340797781-01340803415-01340804474-01340807813-01340808824- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016927.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340797781-01340803415-01340804474-01340807813-01340808824-01340819182- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016935.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340797781-01340803415-01340804474-01340807813-01340808824-01340819182-01340820047- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016937.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340797781-01340803415-01340804474-01340808979- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016928.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340806090- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016921.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340806090-01340807390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016923.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340806090-01340808423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016926.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340806090-01340808423-01340809024- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016929.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340806090-01340808423-01340809024-01340820322- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016938.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340806090-01340808423-01340809024-01340820322-01340820880- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016940.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340806090-01340808423-01340809024-01340820322-01340820880-01340821635- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016941.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340806090-01340808423-01340809024-01340820322-01340820880-01340821635-01340823953- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016943.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340806090-01340808423-01340809024-01340820322-01340820880-01340821635-01340823953-01340827185- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016946.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340806090-01340808423-01340809024-01340820322-01340848833- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016955.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340797250-01340806090-01340808423-01340809024-01340820322-01340848833-01340871878- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016961.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340740015-01340783256-01340793972-01340803159- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016916.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340738710-01340741716- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016858.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340738710-01340741716-01340777839- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016868.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340738710-01340741716-01340777839-01340783770- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016875.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340741716-01340777839-01340783770-01340784409- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016877.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340741716-01340777839-01340783770-01340784409-01340788578- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016886.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340741716-01340777839-01340783770-01340784409-01340793033- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016895.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340741716-01340777839-01340794254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016900.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01340738710-01340741716-01340785399- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016880.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340738710-01340741716-01340785399-01340786742- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016883.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340741716-01340785399-01340786742-01340793385- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016896.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340741716-01340785399-01340791119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016888.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340738710-01340741716-01340785399-01340791205- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016889.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340738710-01340778376- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016869.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01340738710-01340797898- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016911.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01340738710-01340870220- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017057.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="17057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01340738710-01340875027- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016966.html">[Mageia-dev] Backports Summary
+</A><A NAME="16966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340739651- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016856.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340739651-01340777465- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016866.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340739651-01340777465-01340787324- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016885.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340739651-01340777465-01340787324-01340790758- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016887.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340739651-01340777465-01340787324-01340790758-01340791771- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016890.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340739651-01340777465-01340787324-01340790758-01340791771-01340792975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016894.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340739651-01340777465-01340787324-01340790758-01340791771-01340792975-01340794327- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016901.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340739651-01340777465-01340787324-01340790758-01340791771-01340792975-01340794327-01340794804- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016902.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340739651-01340777465-01340787324-01340790758-01340791771-01340792975-01340794327-01340794804-01340795634- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016904.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340739651-01340777465-01340787324-01340790758-01340791771-01340792975-01340794327-01340794804-01340795634-01340795923- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016905.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340739651-01340777465-01340787324-01340790758-01340793615- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016898.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340739651-01340777465-01340787324-01340793499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016897.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340739651-01340777465-01340787324-01340793499-01340797616- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016907.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340739651-01340777465-01340787324-01340793499-01340797616-01340809605- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016930.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340739651-01340802645- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016915.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01340739651-01340804230- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016919.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01340739651-01340874722- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016964.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="16964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340743710- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016861.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340743710-01340785477- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016881.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340743710-01340785477-01340797706- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016908.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340743710-01340785477-01340797706-01340797818- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016910.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340743710-01340785477-01340797706-01340798311- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016912.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340743710-01340785477-01340797706-01340798311-01340799131- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016913.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GCC-4.7.1 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="16913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340753883- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016865.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340753883-01340777775- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016867.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340753883-01340777775-01340817197- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016934.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340753883-01340777775-01340817197-01340819404- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016936.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340753883-01340777775-01340817197-01340819404-01340820678- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016939.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01340753883-01340777775-01340872491- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016962.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340753883-01340874977- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016965.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340753883-01340874977-01340877939- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016968.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340753883-01340874977-01340877939-01340879032- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016969.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340753883-01340874977-01340877939-01340879032-01340901963- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016977.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340779196- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016871.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-HTML-HTML5-Entities-0.3.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340784380- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016876.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340784380-01340784768- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016878.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340784380-01340784768-01340785025- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016879.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340784380-01340784768-01340785025-01340785506- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016882.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340784380-01340784768-01340785025-01340785506-01340787126- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016884.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="16884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340792814- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016891.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting on Thursday 28th at 17.30 UTC
+</A><A NAME="16891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340792814-01340792842- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016892.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting on Thursday 28th at 17.30 UTC
+</A><A NAME="16892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340831975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016948.html">[Mageia-dev] BACKPORTS: Resources needed to do the actual work
+</A><A NAME="16948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340834544- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016950.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="16950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340834544-01340840297- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016951.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="16951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340844686- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016952.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4436] german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead of &quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; ( mga#3791)
+</A><A NAME="16952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340844900- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016953.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against	libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="16953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340844900-01341089786- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017043.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against	libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="17043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340868589- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016956.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python 2
+</A><A NAME="16956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340868589-01340869816- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016957.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python 2
+</A><A NAME="16957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340868589-01340869816-01340871370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016959.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python	2
+</A><A NAME="16959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340870056- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016958.html">[Mageia-dev] lemonldap-ng
+</A><A NAME="16958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340896369- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016973.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="16973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340896369-01340964866- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016990.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="16990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340896369-01340964866-01340966763- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016991.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="16991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340896369-01340964866-01340966763-01340974513- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017004.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="17004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340896369-01340964866-01340966763-01340974513-01340993062- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017018.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="17018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340896369-01340964866-01340966763-01340974513-01340993062-01340993450- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017019.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="17019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340896369-01340964866-01340966763-01340974513-01340993062-01340993450-01340995652- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017022.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken xulrunner
+</A><A NAME="17022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340896831- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016974.html">[Mageia-dev] Xfce 4.10 update for mga2
+</A><A NAME="16974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340896831-01341041046- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017030.html">[Mageia-dev] Xfce 4.10 update for mga2
+</A><A NAME="17030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340901520- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016975.html">[Mageia-dev] Current status of Mageia ARM port
+</A><A NAME="16975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340901913- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016976.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gcc-4.7.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340901913-01340902950- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016978.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gcc-4.7.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340906106- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016979.html">[Mageia-dev] Severe Memory Leakage about X with AMD graphic cards.
+</A><A NAME="16979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340911013- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016980.html">[Mageia-dev] Idea to fix &quot;Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB&quot; mga#6125
+</A><A NAME="16980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340942472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016983.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9 for cauldron?
+</A><A NAME="16983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340942472-01340951998- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016984.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9 for cauldron?
+</A><A NAME="16984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340957563- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016985.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	alacarte-3.5.3-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340957563-01340958517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016987.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release alacarte-3.5.3-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="16987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340970109- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016996.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="16996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340970109-01340970540- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016997.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="16997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340970109-01340970540-01340972822- -->
+<LI><A HREF="016998.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="16998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340976801- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017006.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340976801-01340983673- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017013.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340976801-01340983673-01340983809- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017014.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340976801-01340983673-01340983809-01340984893- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017015.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340976801-01340983673-01340983809-01340984893-01341052644- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017031.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failures. GCC related?
+</A><A NAME="17031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340979773- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017008.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340979773-01340981362- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017009.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340979773-01340981362-01340981406- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017010.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01340979773-01340982007- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017011.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340979773-01340982007-01340982768- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017012.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340979773-01340982007-01340982768-01341072773- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017038.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340979773-01340982007-01340982768-01341072773-01341074112- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017039.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340979773-01340982007-01340982768-01341072773-01341074112-01341074791- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017040.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340979773-01340982007-01340982768-01341072773-01341074112-01341074791-01341077229- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017041.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340988606- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017016.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340988606-01340992011- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017017.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340988606-01340992011-01340994320- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017020.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340988606-01340992011-01340994320-01340995402- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017021.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340988606-01340992011-01340994320-01340995402-01341012552- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017024.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340988606-01340992011-01340994320-01340995402-01341012552-01341016937- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017025.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01340988606-01340992011-01341029407- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017027.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340988606-01340992011-01341029407-01341030277- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017028.html">[Mageia-dev] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340988606-01340992011-01341029407-01341030277-01341032103- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017029.html">[Mageia-dev] [SOLVED] Build failure - but why?
+</A><A NAME="17029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341009524- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017023.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341009524-01341052724- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017032.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341009524-01341052724-01341069441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017036.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341024373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017026.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341024373-01341053776- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017033.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341024373-01341053776-01341062136- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017034.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01341024373-01341053776-01341067491- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017035.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341071412- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017037.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefan Wilhelm
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341085289- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017042.html">[Mageia-dev] Feature:Python2and3support
+</A><A NAME="17042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+    </ul>
+    <p>
+      <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> 
+       <i>Sat Jun 30 22:56:26 CEST 2012</i><br>
+    <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Jul  1 19:21:36 CEST 2012</i>
+    <p>
+   <ul>
+         <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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