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This impacts considerably +</I>>><i> the usability of the system. (Considering what the user had installed.) +</I>>><i> All one has to do after the upgrade install, is reboot and do a normal +</I>>><i> upgrade with rpmdrake (selecting "all updates" and "all packages"), and +</I>>><i> almost everything works well. +</I>>><i> (For me upgrade to mga1 worked perfectly. The last 2 upgrades with mdv had +</I>>><i> some problems, due to other factors. A clean install has always caused me a +</I>>><i> lot of problems.) +</I>>><i> With a clean install, it can be problematic to find all the missing +</I>>><i> packages, as well as missing firmware. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I'm not saying we remove all upgrade ways as we still have mgaapplet. +</I>><i> We experienced *a lot* of problem during QA tests using DVD to +</I>><i> upgrade. Really I don'"t understand your point... +</I>><i> +</I> +Well maybe I'm not understanding your proposal. Initially I thought it +was to remove the update option at the end of the upgrade process with +the DVD. + +Then a post earlier in this thread said that you didn't mean that, and +seemed to say that you were suggesting removing the upgrade install +option with the DVD, leaving only the clean install. +If so, I am strongly opposed, as in my experience, for the reasons +cited, it has been by far the best upgrade path for myself, and I'm sure +for many others. + +However, maybe I'm misunderstanding your proposal ? + +Maybe the introduction of systemd introduced a one-time transition +problem which will not normally be encountered with a DVD upgrade install ? + +>><i> Note that I don't use mgaapplet after an upgrade install, since it doesn't +</I>>><i> give me all the information I want, to help me decide if I should drop some +</I>>><i> packages that were installed. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> This is not the role of this tool. +</I>><i> +</I> +Sorry, just trying to put my approach in context. + +>><i> It may be that using mgaapplet after an upgrade install is the weak link in +</I>>><i> the chain. +</I>>><i> And certainly urpmi is not a convenient tool at this point. (Although I use +</I>>><i> it a lot at other times.) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> So because mgaapplet is buggy for upgrades, we should just let it down +</I>><i> and use DVD ? +</I>><i> +</I> +That is not the same thing as saying that we should *prevent* using the +DVD for upgrades. +In any case, with the reliability of Internet connexions available at my +location, it is highly unlikely that I could make an upgrade without the +DVD. And during a DVD upgrade, I don't have Internet access. (My +Internet supplier usually cuts the connexion if not active for 5 +minutes, which always happens with a DVD upgrade.) + +>><i> Note also that with upgrade install, even firmware that is missing from the +</I>>><i> release (and not only the DVD) remains installed. So there are cases where +</I>>><i> an upgrade install necessarily produces a better functioning system. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So in sum, in my view, removing upgrade install for DVDs would be an +</I>>><i> important regression. +</I>>><i> But maybe we should suggest rebooting and using rpmdrake after such an +</I>>><i> install. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> This is non sense... Either the upgrade tool does its job properly or +</I>><i> not... How can we say Mageia is easy when you propose such process? +</I>><i> +</I> +Sorry, but I think that even the least computer-savy user could easily +use this approach. +Simply +1) Do upgrade with DVD +2) Reboot +3) Do update with MCC/software/package_installer (rpmdrake) or +update_system (mgaapplet) + +Since an upgrade install only removes packages that are replaced, +nonfree firmware stays installed. Also packages not on the DVD stay +installed, even though not updated until step 3. + +Note that on Microsoft systems, it is generally recommended to reboot +after installing, even for relatively minor upgrades. Instead of only +after a release upgrade. + +If the user has reliable Internet access during upgrade, of course it +would be advantageous to do it in one step. + +Note also that at least in North America, users can usually download a +DVD for free at their local library, even if they don't have a good +Internet connexion at home. And in other regions, users could obtain a +copy of the DVD without having to download it themselves. +So the DVD upgrade install has its' place. + +Regards :) + +-- +André + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="016806.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="016813.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#16893">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#16893">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#16893">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#16893">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |