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I have and it's +</I>><i> very interesting. As you know I've been a KDE developer for many years, +</I>><i> but I much prefer the Gnome approach to lower level things. People +</I>><i> involved in the Gnome project are very supportive to drive forward the +</I>><i> core underlying plumbing layers rather than just build abstraction +</I>><i> layers on top to rationalise the underlying insanity. I certainly have +</I>><i> much more affinity to this approach to engineering (as you can likely +</I>><i> tell when I share my opinions on stuff) than the KDE approach which does +</I>><i> quite often paper over the cracks rather than solve the underlying problems. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So I don't disagree with you with regards to how we, as a distro, should +</I>><i> treat Gnome, but do keep in mind that "Gnome OS" as a whole is something +</I>><i> we will all benefit from - this covers everything from how early boot +</I>><i> should deal with user interaction and encryption passwords etc (i.e. +</I>><i> plymouth) right up to GDM and X11 initialisation (including how to +</I>><i> handle things when it fails) and thus the desktop environment "Gnome" +</I>><i> will come with certain requirements for the underlying system on which +</I>><i> it runs. In most (if not all) cases, these requirements will be for the +</I>><i> general good anyway. +</I> +I certainly agree on your first paragraph (cause it makes sense and +the "Gnome way" is promising and it is trying to achieve a Good +Thing(tm)). Except for one point i already pointed out: a good part +(if not the larger part) of the users are not using Gnome. So, +whatever Gnome includes in its settings - if it is something which +affects the whole system (like "everything from how early boot should +deal with user interaction and encryption passwords etc (i.e. +plymouth) right up to GDM and X11 initialisation (including how to +handle things when it fails)") then distributions still need the tools +for these same tasks bnecause of users who do not use Gnome. + +If this tool for "non Gnomers" is such a central toolbox like the MCC +a duplication of tools for the same task is unavoidable with users who +use Gnome (as we have now), because you can't stop this system being +installed on the same system as Gnome. Also keep in mind that many of +those tools are needed before the desktop environment is even +installed. + +So, what I'd rather see is a common cross-distribution toolbox outside +of the desktop environments taking care of system business than a +common toolbox inside a certain desktop environment which is not +available if you do not use that desktop environment. This has not +much to do with development but more with logic and reality. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="016185.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="016470.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#16192">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#16192">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#16192">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#16192">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |