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+ <B>AL13N</B>
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+ <I>Wed Jun 6 08:22:54 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 6 juni 2012 01:04:05 schreef JA Magall&#243;n:
+&gt;<i> On 06/05/2012 11:41 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 10:44:31PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le 05/06/2012 16:20, Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Also, with latest NetworkManager, it seems you can do pretty advanced
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; network configurations (lacks UI). The UI is planned for GNOME 3.6.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; However, seems that loads of Mageia users have issues with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; NetworkManager, so not sure what to do. Perhaps safer to wait a year and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; hope that other distributions solve the bugs?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Approximatively 50% of those problems come from the coexistence with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; drakxtools and sysinit, conflicting for the control of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; interface, rather than actual problems in NM code. Waiting for them
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to magically disapear won't help much...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ah ok, but shouldn't that all be fixed now that the patch is back to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; make NetworkManager properly ignore stuff that it should ignore?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I tink it is _lot_ easier even for drakxtools to write a file into
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections that to mess with ifcfg-* files.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And NM is the only sane way to have, in my case, 4 or 5 WiFi configurations
+</I>&gt;<i> for the same interface and let it pick the right one depending on my
+</I>&gt;<i> location. It is just marvelous, and without any ifcfg-* file rewriting
+</I>&gt;<i> on the fly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And I suppose it can also be done, but I never managed to do without NM:
+</I>&gt;<i> let my linux in the far corner of the house boot and connect to wifi
+</I>&gt;<i> without any user logged in...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So in my case, a big +1 for NM and kill all sysvinit files for network.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I acknowledge that I never tried to do bonding with NM, for example...
+</I>[...]
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+i need bonding and bridging and vlans, but what about AoE, or even STP in
+bridging.
+
+next to wifi, what about vpns?
+
+for NM to replace initscripts/drakxtools/mganetapplet it not only needs to do
+all that, but have for KDE and Gnome AND other DE's a way to graphically do
+all that, that's preferably the same.
+
+i guess this ties in the fact that imho gnome tries to do too much. maybe it
+would be better to have a single graphic UI that can handle NM no matter the
+DE.
+
+in any case, imho it's too soon for us to drop drakxtools/mganetapplet/if-cfg*
+(if ever).
+
+let's retalk about this for mga4.
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