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Mention the source +</I>><i>  2. Mention the author +</I>><i>  3. Mention both source+author +</I>><i> +</I>><i> IMO 3 is too verbose for package changelogs, but I agree it would be +</I>><i> nice to be able to do this if it were made concise. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I also think that 2 is not ideal as this would then make it harder to +</I>><i> record the source. We'd either have to write a comment in the spec above +</I>><i> the PatchNN: line or put something into the patch itself to indicate the +</I>><i> source. This is typically a good idea anyway (I try to put any fedora +</I>><i> patches etc. in their own little section of the spec). If patches are +</I>><i> generated from git then you don't really want to add unmanaged extra +</I>><i> info in the patch file as when it is regenerated, this information would +</I>><i> be lost. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The opposite is not true - if option 1 were picked, then the author +</I>><i> would typically be included already in the patch itself if it is a git +</I>><i> formatted patch. I accept this is not always the case, so this isn't a +</I>><i> fool-proof alternative. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, in the end, I'm not against mentioning the author directly in commit +</I>><i> messages, but I think it's somewhat impractical and thus it is my +</I>><i> opinion that it should not be in the message. +</I>Then you're mixing two different things, this thing was about credting +authors, right? +But now you're replacing it with practical value in changelogs, which +is an entirely different issue about a totally different subject! +If you want to actually credit the person doing the work, then you +need to credit the actual authors of the work itself, a distribution +is certainly not what to be creditting itself for the work done by +others, they were the ones who put the distribution together, not the +distribution who put them together (lacking consciousness, thus no +assurance needs to fill, desire for recognition not possible). +If you're going to push this argument a bit further, for anything else +of software in the distribution that we've packaged with it, neither +would the authors of this software be the ones to be creditted for +their work, but rather the distribution carrying it! + +So if in Mandriva, we'd actually were to fully recognize your +arguments adopt this policy which you propose for Mageia iin Mandriva +again, we'd have to start mess with all the rest of the software we +ship to make sure that it credits Mandriva as we're carrying their +work (I'd veto against this, no matter what anyone else might try +propose and pushing)! +And while I myself actually don't wanna meddle in Mageia's businiss +(despite mine being meddled in first), I *really* don't think Mageia +should do so either.. + +And I *really* hope that this extremely bizarre example illustrates +for you that it's not even remotely far out at all. + +I just find this awkward, and not on my part, so I'll just leave it +with that.. :| + +-- +Getta grip, +Per Øyvind +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="016584.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="016707.html">[Mageia-dev] Collaboration policy +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#16661">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#16661">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#16661">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#16661">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |