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+ <B>andre999</B>
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+ <I>Mon Jun 25 00:36:19 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2012/6/24 David Walser&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Saturday 23 June 2012 15:21, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The issue with the upgrade function at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the end of the installer is: &quot;it is not working properly even if a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> functioning network is available&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In all the years I have been running Mandrake, Mandriva and now Mageia, the upgrade packages function in the installer has not worked once
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for me, that I can remember. So I always skip it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I believe many others do the same.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is that what the &quot;feature request&quot; is talking about? If so, it's totally not clear. It sounded to me like it was talking about the ability
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for the installer to upgrade an existing system. If it's just talking about that &quot;install updates&quot; thing at the end of the installation,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that's never worked for me either in the few times I've tried it. It's also pretty unnecessary for me since I usually install from HDD or net,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which uses updates in the first place.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed I'm not speaking about updating packages at the end of the
+</I>&gt;<i> installation but using a DVD to upgrade an already installed system
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+But using a DVD to upgrade an already installed system is a good way to
+get around the fact that many packages, including nonfree firmware, are
+missing from the DVD.
+If one does a clean install, one has to try to find a lot of missing
+packages, because they are no longer installed. This impacts
+considerably the usability of the system. (Considering what the user
+had installed.)
+All one has to do after the upgrade install, is reboot and do a normal
+upgrade with rpmdrake (selecting &quot;all updates&quot; and &quot;all packages&quot;), and
+almost everything works well.
+(For me upgrade to mga1 worked perfectly. The last 2 upgrades with mdv
+had some problems, due to other factors. A clean install has always
+caused me a lot of problems.)
+With a clean install, it can be problematic to find all the missing
+packages, as well as missing firmware.
+
+Note that I don't use mgaapplet after an upgrade install, since it
+doesn't give me all the information I want, to help me decide if I
+should drop some packages that were installed.
+It may be that using mgaapplet after an upgrade install is the weak link
+in the chain.
+And certainly urpmi is not a convenient tool at this point. (Although I
+use it a lot at other times.)
+
+Note also that with upgrade install, even firmware that is missing from
+the release (and not only the DVD) remains installed. So there are
+cases where an upgrade install necessarily produces a better functioning
+system.
+
+So in sum, in my view, removing upgrade install for DVDs would be an
+important regression.
+But maybe we should suggest rebooting and using rpmdrake after such an
+install.
+
+Regards :)
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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