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+&gt;<i> Le 23/06/2011 07:58, Dexter Morgan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Thierry Vignaud
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 22 June 2011 19:41, Florian Hubold&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, it's quite possible that we have to include that in Mageia 1 as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> well, as this will be security update for Firefox 4. If we don't want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> patch every CVE then we have to include it into Mageia 1 as well..
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But i think sec team need to speak of FF5 first because i think this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will be a candidate for updates regarding new firefox upstream policy
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I think Firefox 5 should be an updates.
+</I>&gt;<i> Firefox 5 is a security update for Firefox 4 and 4.0.1. There will be no
+</I>&gt;<i> Firefox 4.0.2.
+</I>
+Yes, as patch to fix security are not provided for firefox 4, and not
+easy to backport, it needs to be updated to version 5. It is listed as
+an exception on the updates policy page :
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
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+<PRE>This is making me crazy. After upgrading to KDE 4.6.90 (cauldron, of course), the bloody m*f*er kded4 (the worse idea in KDE4) constantly takes 55-75% CPU.
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+Of course, killing it is possible, but this affects the plasmoids. (E.g. it made me inadvertently filling an invalid bug report 1981, which disappeared once I let kded4 live.)
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+(This is making me crazy. Otherwise, I'll tell you some day about a bug/crash that was *accidentally* fixed by KDE 4.6.90.)
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
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+</I>&gt;<i> i would like us to update to gnome 3.1 ( which will give gnome 3.2 ).
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> This is making me crazy. After upgrading to KDE 4.6.90 (cauldron, of
+</I>&gt;<i> course), the bloody m*f*er kded4 (the worse idea in KDE4) constantly takes
+</I>&gt;<i> 55-75% CPU.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, killing it is possible, but this affects the plasmoids. (E.g. it
+</I>&gt;<i> made me inadvertently filling an invalid bug report 1981, which disappeared
+</I>&gt;<i> once I let kded4 live.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The solution which worked most of the time for such issues in kde 4.6.xx
+was:
+1. open a terminal
+2. run killall plasma-desktop
+3. plasma-desktop
+
+the plasmoids and the desktop come back, and kded4 stops using that much
+CPU.
+
+Last time I looked what it was looking CPU at, it was caused by some
+run-away timer loop deep in kdelibs, but as those issues are quite random I
+haven't figured out what exactly causes this.
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+</I>&gt;<i> When is the release of gnome 3.2 planned ?
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+ <B>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU</B>
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+&gt;<i> The solution which worked most of the time for such issues in kde 4.6.xx was:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. open a terminal
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. run killall plasma-desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. plasma-desktop
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the plasmoids and the desktop come back, and kded4 stops using that much CPU.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Last time I looked what it was looking CPU at, it was caused by some run-away timer loop
+</I>
+&gt;<i> deep in kdelibs, but as those issues are quite random I haven't figured out what exactly causes this.
+</I>
+
+&#1045;&#1074;&#1075;&#1077;&#1085;&#1080;&#1081;, thank you, but this is not a solution.
+
+It is not a solution because, as soon as plasma-desktop is back, kded4 takes the same 55...75% CPU.
+
+It is not a solution because, even if it were a temporary fix, it needed to be run after each and every login.
+
+Now, I know my KDE is somewhat b0rken, because akonadiserver can't start -- but I could live just fine this way in KDE 4.6.3-4.6.4, if not even better than with it.
+
+So I should report this as a bug, however I won't do it as long as I'm the only Cauldron user to experience it.
+
+OTOH, let me tell you how to crash *any* KDE4 version (have to report it upstream, works on F15 too):
+1. Folder View for the Desktop.
+2. Click on a desktop icon, F2 (rename), select the text, right-click (as a reflex to find a menu with Copy);
+3. plasma-desktop glorious crash.
+
+Here's the KDE bug that was fixed by accident in KDE 4.6.90:
+Upstream bug 235020, with duplicates 228036, 236800, 256257, 255393, 256993, 257591, 262912, 264287, 264664, 265064, 265823, 266245, 270591, 272198, 272662, 274792, 274135, 274659, 275301, 275906, 275906, 276020, 276261.
+In short: KCharSelect crashes in some circumstances.
+How to make KCharSelect crash on any version up to and including 4.6.4:
+1. Open KCharSelect and make it have the minimum horizontal size (it should display 18 characters on a row; if it doesn't, keep it at this size nevertheless);
+2. Select the &quot;DejaVu Sans&quot; or any other DejaVu typeface.
+3. Keep &quot;European Alphabets&quot; in the first drop-down list.
+4. In the second drop-down list, start to switch the code pages between the available ones, in order:
+-- Basic Latin
+-- Latin-1 Supplement
+-- Latin Extended A
+-- Latin Extended B
+-- Latin Extended Additional
+-- Latin Extended C
+-- Latin Extended D
+and so on.
+5. It should have crashed by now. If not, keep switching back and forth between the code pages until it does!
+The bug is actually triggered by unknown errors in some fonts (the DejaVu family being one of them).
+
+It's funny to use KDE4 (I was a GNOME guy, that is, until GNOME Shell was announced). Except that kded4 is not funny.
+
+Best regards,
+R-C aka beranger
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+<PRE>On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 20:10, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The solution which worked most of the time for such issues in kde 4.6.xx
+</I>&gt;<i> was:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. open a terminal
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. run killall plasma-desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3. plasma-desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the plasmoids and the desktop come back, and kded4 stops using that much
+</I>&gt;<i> CPU.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Last time I looked what it was looking CPU at, it was caused by some
+</I>&gt;<i> run-away timer loop
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; deep in kdelibs, but as those issues are quite random I haven't figured
+</I>&gt;<i> out what exactly causes this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#1045;&#1074;&#1075;&#1077;&#1085;&#1080;&#1081;, thank you, but this is not a solution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is not a solution because, as soon as plasma-desktop is back, kded4
+</I>&gt;<i> takes the same 55...75% CPU.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This is a different issues from the one had in mind than, nevermind, I think
+you should wait from a proper fix from KDE for this :).
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+Eugeni Dodonov
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+<PRE>2011/6/30 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Thursday 30 June 2011 22:09:15 Z&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/6/29 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - no need to buildrequire and use kde-macros
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - use rpm native macros and not variables
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; We were using kde4-macros especially because attica is maintained &amp;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; requires by KDE, so it's easier to follow it (like a urpmf --requires
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; kde4-macros Core_Release_SRPMS )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since attica only needs qt4 theres no need to use kde-macros, thats
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> why you also have qt cmake macros like %cmake_qt4
+</I>&gt;<i> I know that it's just using qt4 but we're using kde4 macros as convention here
+</I>&gt;<i> following our kde's spec layout.
+</I>
+But that layout is to apply for kde packages and for the ones that
+require kde, when thats not the case why is there any need to apply
+kde macros?
+I dont see the point for that.
+
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+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i> Jabber ID: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+&gt;<i> This is making me crazy. After upgrading to KDE 4.6.90 (cauldron, of
+</I>&gt;<i> course), the bloody m*f*er kded4 (the worse idea in KDE4) constantly takes
+</I>&gt;<i> 55-75% CPU.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Of course, killing it is possible, but this affects the plasmoids. (E.g. it
+</I>&gt;<i> made me inadvertently filling an invalid bug report 1981, which disappeared
+</I>&gt;<i> once I let kded4 live.)
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Really, isn't anybody experiencing high CPU from kded4?
+</I>Nop you're not the only one.
+However here killing this process does not seems to affect my plasmoids.
+It could be an upstream bug but it would be nice to narrow it.
+@ first i was looking @ the nm applet, but a fresh install (by dropping all
+package &amp; only install the minimum aka kmail, dolphin,kdebase4-workspace)
+does not fix the problem
+ (there's an upstream bug related to kded with networkmanagement kde #220047)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (This is making me crazy. Otherwise, I'll tell you some day about a
+</I>&gt;<i> bug/crash that was *accidentally* fixed by KDE 4.6.90.)
+</I>
+Which one ? ;o)
+
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+&gt;<i> Now, I know my KDE is somewhat b0rken, because akonadiserver can't start --
+</I>&gt;<i> but I could live just fine this way in KDE 4.6.3-4.6.4, if not even better
+</I>&gt;<i> than with it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well only kdepim is broken so it's not a big deal if you're not using it.
+(You should be able to use akregator).
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+<PRE>Le 2011-06-30 18:34, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> This is making me crazy. After upgrading to KDE 4.6.90 (cauldron, of
+</I>&gt;<i> course), the bloody m*f*er kded4 (the worse idea in KDE4) constantly
+</I>&gt;<i> takes 55-75% CPU.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, killing it is possible, but this affects the plasmoids. (E.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> it made me inadvertently filling an invalid bug report 1981, which
+</I>&gt;<i> disappeared once I let kded4 live.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Really, isn't anybody experiencing high CPU from kded4?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (This is making me crazy. Otherwise, I'll tell you some day about a
+</I>&gt;<i> bug/crash that was *accidentally* fixed by KDE 4.6.90.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i> R-C aka beranger
+</I>
+Mine was doing this and I tried to stop it (I don't really know how to
+do this), so in the end I let it go. It has now stopped. Could it be
+that it is indexing all of your files? I know that I have 600 gigs of
+data, and, if KDE4 was trying to index all of these files (photos, music
+and larger LibreOffice files that it would take quite a while to index them.
+
+Maybe this is the problem? My CPU has returned to normal after a couple
+days of &quot;churning&quot;. I also never log-out of my system.
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+Marc
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+&gt;<i> Le 30/06/2011 06:54, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It seems libperl.so is hiding
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It is wehre it should be but cyrus-imap cannot find it.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we have to check cyrus-imap instead of libperl.so, so.
+</I>it gives the pretty much same error if you want to rebuild it. I remember it
+still work with perl-514.0 but not with 5.14.1
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+# service cyrus-imapd start
+Starting cyrus-imapd: /usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/cyrus-master: error while loading
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+<PRE>On Thursday, June 30, 2011 05:23:58 pm Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 2011-06-30 18:34, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is making me crazy. After upgrading to KDE 4.6.90 (cauldron, of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; course), the bloody m*f*er kded4 (the worse idea in KDE4) constantly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; takes 55-75% CPU.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Of course, killing it is possible, but this affects the plasmoids. (E.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it made me inadvertently filling an invalid bug report 1981, which
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; disappeared once I let kded4 live.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Really, isn't anybody experiencing high CPU from kded4?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (This is making me crazy. Otherwise, I'll tell you some day about a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; bug/crash that was *accidentally* fixed by KDE 4.6.90.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; R-C aka beranger
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mine was doing this and I tried to stop it (I don't really know how to
+</I>&gt;<i> do this), so in the end I let it go. It has now stopped. Could it be
+</I>&gt;<i> that it is indexing all of your files? I know that I have 600 gigs of
+</I>&gt;<i> data, and, if KDE4 was trying to index all of these files (photos, music
+</I>&gt;<i> and larger LibreOffice files that it would take quite a while to index
+</I>&gt;<i> them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe this is the problem? My CPU has returned to normal after a couple
+</I>&gt;<i> days of &quot;churning&quot;. I also never log-out of my system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>I get 50% on a VM
+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> On Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:16:47 am Cazzaniga Sandro wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 30/06/2011 06:54, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; It seems libperl.so is hiding
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It is wehre it should be but cyrus-imap cannot find it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we have to check cyrus-imap instead of libperl.so, so.
+</I>&gt;<i> it gives the pretty much same error if you want to rebuild it. I remember it
+</I>&gt;<i> still work with perl-514.0 but not with 5.14.1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Below is the message
+</I>&gt;<i> # service cyrus-imapd start
+</I>&gt;<i> Starting cyrus-imapd: /usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/cyrus-master: error while loading
+</I>&gt;<i> shared libraries: libperl.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
+</I>&gt;<i> directory
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+net-snmp hardcodes the path to libperl.so, so it needed a rebuild,
+I've submitted it.
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+--
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+<PRE>On Thursday, June 30, 2011 08:08:48 pm Ahmad Samir wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 1 July 2011 03:24, Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:16:47 am Cazzaniga Sandro wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le 30/06/2011 06:54, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; It seems libperl.so is hiding
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; It is wehre it should be but cyrus-imap cannot find it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Maybe we have to check cyrus-imap instead of libperl.so, so.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it gives the pretty much same error if you want to rebuild it. I remember
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it still work with perl-514.0 but not with 5.14.1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Below is the message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; # service cyrus-imapd start
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Starting cyrus-imapd: /usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/cyrus-master: error while
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; loading shared libraries: libperl.so: cannot open shared object file: No
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> net-snmp hardcodes the path to libperl.so, so it needed a rebuild,
+</I>&gt;<i> I've submitted it.
+</I>Thanks Ahmad
+Just curious, how did you find out?
+
+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> On Thursday, June 30, 2011 08:08:48 pm Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 1 July 2011 03:24, Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:16:47 am Cazzaniga Sandro wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le 30/06/2011 06:54, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; It seems libperl.so is hiding
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; It is wehre it should be but cyrus-imap cannot find it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Maybe we have to check cyrus-imap instead of libperl.so, so.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; it gives the pretty much same error if you want to rebuild it. I remember
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; it still work with perl-514.0 but not with 5.14.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Below is the message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; # service cyrus-imapd start
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Starting cyrus-imapd: /usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/cyrus-master: error while
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; loading shared libraries: libperl.so: cannot open shared object file: No
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; such file or directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> net-snmp hardcodes the path to libperl.so, so it needed a rebuild,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've submitted it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks Ahmad
+</I>&gt;<i> Just curious, how did you find out?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I sort of remembered from a previous perl upgrade that net-snmp was
+the culprit behind cyrus-imapd didn't work after the upgrade, that
+and:
+$ ldd /usr/lib64/libnetsnmpagent.so.25
+ linux-vdso.so.1 =&gt; (0x00007fff2c5ff000)
+ libnetsnmp.so.25 =&gt; /usr/lib64/libnetsnmp.so.25 (0x00007f242c5ad000)
+ libwrap.so.0 =&gt; /lib64/libwrap.so.0 (0x00007f242c3a2000)
+ libperl.so =&gt; not found
+ libpthread.so.0 =&gt; /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f242c186000)
+ libc.so.6 =&gt; /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007f242be14000)
+ libcrypto.so.1.0.0 =&gt; /usr/lib64/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 (0x00007f242ba29000)
+ libnsl.so.1 =&gt; /lib64/libnsl.so.1 (0x00007f242b810000)
+ /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f242cb1a000)
+ libdl.so.2 =&gt; /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f242b60b000)
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+Ahmad Samir
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bug/crash that was *accidentally* fixed by KDE 4.6.90.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which one ? ;o)
+</I>
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+ <B>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Could it be that it is indexing all of your files?
+</I>
+NOPE. I never ever use indexing, no matter what the OS is.
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+&gt;<i> Well only kdepim is broken so it's not a big deal if you're not using
+</I>&gt;<i> it.
+</I>&gt;<i> (You should be able to use akregator).
+</I>
+Yes, akregator works just fine.
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+&gt;<i> However here&#160; killing this process does not seems to affect my plasmoids.
+</I>
+I'm surprised to see you writing it. After killing kded4:
+1. Klipper was not reacting.
+2. The keyboard layout systray icon was dead.
+3. Any changes in the way the clock is displayed (hour/date format) were not applied.
+4. Hibernation was completely broken (doing nothing), only logout, shutdown and restart worked.
+5. Power Management profiles were not displayed and could not be editer, nor were they functional.
+
+Other effects might have taken place, that was at first sight.
+
+So kded4 is indeed a *vital* process of the KDE4 desktop.
+
+&gt;<i> It could be an upstream bug but it would be nice to narrow it.
+</I>&gt;<i> @ first i was looking @ the nm applet, but a fresh install (by dropping all
+</I>&gt;<i> package &amp; only install the minimum aka kmail, dolphin,kdebase4-workspace)&#160;
+</I>&gt;<i> does not fix the problem
+</I>&gt;<i> (there's an upstream bug related to kded with networkmanagement&#160; kde
+</I>&gt;<i> #220047)
+</I>
+Not easy to narrow it here either.
+
+If it's an upstream one (can't test 4.6.90 in other distro for now), then the upstream QA is non-existent.
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+R-C aka beranger
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+Since we have determined to use iBus as the default input method,
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+investigate some upstream reports, even if not necessarily reported for 4.6.90.
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+Some such reports were related to ntrack, e.g. <A HREF="http://bugs.kde.org/268038">http://bugs.kde.org/268038</A>
+
+What the heck is ntrack and why do we need it? (The official description tells
+me exactly nothing).
+
+There is *no* ntrack in either of Mandriva or Fedora -- it's actually likely
+to be an Ubuntu project; either way, it's definitely *not* part of the KDE4
+project, as it's hosted on <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/ntrack">https://launchpad.net/ntrack</A>
+
+Then why the heck removing libntrack0 wants to remove *all* the KDE???
+
+Is Mageia becoming Kubuntu?
+
+All these excessive dependencies are making me sick. Everything depends on
+everything. Is dynamic loading of libraries, with dynamically getting pointers
+to functions and using them or not, depending on availability, a mechanism
+that only works in Windows?
+
+Then, you'll excuse me, for the fist time in 9 days, I'll reboot into XP SP3.
+
+And I'm doing that because, after having rebooted in F15, their plasma (4.6.3)
+crashed on me for 3 times in 5 minutes. This is unbearable.
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+Pissed off,
+R-C aka beranger
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+&gt;<i> Mine was doing this and I tried to stop it (I don't really know how to do
+</I>&gt;<i> this), so in the end I let it go. It has now stopped. Could it be that it is
+</I>&gt;<i> indexing all of your files? I know that I have 600 gigs of data, and, if
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE4 was trying to index all of these files (photos, music and larger
+</I>&gt;<i> LibreOffice files that it would take quite a while to index them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe this is the problem? My CPU has returned to normal after a couple
+</I>&gt;<i> days of &quot;churning&quot;. I also never log-out of my system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't believe.
+</I>My installation has no data.
+
+One core is using continuously 100% (with sometimes switching the core)
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 01 juli 2011 07:40:24 schreef Radu-Cristian FOTESCU:
+&gt;<i> I was trying to investigate the kded4 high CPU load, and I started to
+</I>&gt;<i> investigate some upstream reports, even if not necessarily reported for
+</I>&gt;<i> 4.6.90.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some such reports were related to ntrack, e.g. <A HREF="http://bugs.kde.org/268038">http://bugs.kde.org/268038</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What the heck is ntrack and why do we need it? (The official description
+</I>&gt;<i> tells me exactly nothing).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is *no* ntrack in either of Mandriva or Fedora -- it's actually
+</I>&gt;<i> likely to be an Ubuntu project; either way, it's definitely *not* part of
+</I>&gt;<i> the KDE4 project, as it's hosted on <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/ntrack">https://launchpad.net/ntrack</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then why the heck removing libntrack0 wants to remove *all* the KDE???
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is Mageia becoming Kubuntu?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All these excessive dependencies are making me sick. Everything depends on
+</I>&gt;<i> everything. Is dynamic loading of libraries, with dynamically getting
+</I>&gt;<i> pointers to functions and using them or not, depending on availability, a
+</I>&gt;<i> mechanism that only works in Windows?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then, you'll excuse me, for the fist time in 9 days, I'll reboot into XP
+</I>&gt;<i> SP3.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And I'm doing that because, after having rebooted in F15, their plasma
+</I>&gt;<i> (4.6.3) crashed on me for 3 times in 5 minutes. This is unbearable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pissed off,
+</I>&gt;<i> R-C aka beranger
+</I>
+dude, it kind of pisses me off what i read here...
+
+you're using &quot;cauldron&quot;; it's nice that you find these bugs so they can be
+fixed, but i mean... it's &quot;cauldron&quot;, imho you can't expect s stable state in
+our &quot;development version&quot;... so please, do what everyone else does in
+cauldron:
+ - use another DE if the current one is unworkable.
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+afaik ntrack, if that is a problem, why don't you try and recompile KDE
+locally without ntrack? see if it improves stuff?
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+&gt;<i> Revision 117096 Author fwang Date 2011-07-01 08:31:34 +0200 (Fri, 01 Jul
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
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+&gt;<i> afaik ntrack, if that is a problem, why don't you try and recompile KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> locally without ntrack? see if it improves stuff?
+</I>
+But _why_ is ntrack a *required* dependency of KDE as long as:
+1. other distros don't have it, neither as required by KDE, nor as an independent library;
+2. It is obviously *not* part of the KDE project.
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+No, I can't recompile KDE with my Celeron M-520, I am not suicidal.
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+R-C
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+&gt;<i> Note that if someone shows an interest in getting involved with Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> we don't have to focus only on packaging. We need all sorts of
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+</I>&gt;<i> experiences, such as bug triaging and QA. So far, it seems everyone it
+</I>&gt;<i> the team is taking such an approach.
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+&#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Am 06/29/2011 11:27 PM, schrieb andre999:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note that if someone shows an interest in getting involved with Mageia,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we don't have to focus only on packaging. We need all sorts of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contributions, and it would be useful to packagers to have other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> experiences, such as bug triaging and QA. So far, it seems everyone it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the team is taking such an approach.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Someone who is only a developer should also have experience with
+</I>packaging.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Maybe notin as an advanced packager but at least main policies what can help
+to have cleaner code for integration in distribution. Which make life easier
+for packager
+&gt;<i>
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+Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 01:19:59, Z&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/6/30 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thursday 30 June 2011 22:09:15 Z&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011/6/29 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; 2011/6/29 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Revision 115962 Author ze Date 2011-06-29 15:57:57 +0200 (Wed, 29 Jun
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; - no need to buildrequire and use kde-macros
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; - use rpm native macros and not variables
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; We were using kde4-macros especially because attica is maintained &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; requires by KDE, so it's easier to follow it (like a urpmf --requires
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; kde4-macros Core_Release_SRPMS )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Since attica only needs qt4 theres no need to use kde-macros, thats
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; why you also have qt cmake macros like %cmake_qt4
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I know that it's just using qt4 but we're using kde4 macros as convention
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; here following our kde's spec layout.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But that layout is to apply for kde packages and for the ones that
+</I>&gt;<i> require kde, when thats not the case why is there any need to apply
+</I>&gt;<i> kde macros?
+</I>&gt;<i> I dont see the point for that.
+</I>
+Same question for me, I maintain qtads which is a qt4 app, but doesn't require
+any KDE lib. Is it necessary to use kde-macros for that ?
+
+Samuel
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+As said during our last meeting, here is the review for proposed
+specifications on Mageia wiki. Comments are not about we will do or not
+(unless it was not reasonable) but:
+- ask for more information when needed
+- give a minimal status
+- ask for discussions when we are talking a very intrusive modification
+
+So please have a look on this page:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</A>
+especially on comments
+
+Now we need to organize work for all this. As a proposal all specs will be
+reported in Bugzilla with a given target so that we can follow it in coming
+months. You can start doing it if you are especially interested in one of
+them.t prio
+
+Please do not add new proposals on that page as it's coming after deadline.
+We will put priority on current one. A new wiki page will collect more ideas
+here: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</A>
+
+Of course as you cnan see all these proposals are implying packagers, QA but
+also artwork and marcom teams. Stay connected! :)
+
+If you want to comment these proposals please create one thread /proposal so
+that we can work on it properly. If you are interested in one of these, add
+your name on wiki.
+
+Cheers
+
+--
+Anne
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+</I>&gt;<i> Please do not add new proposals on that page as it's coming after deadline.
+</I>&gt;<i> We will put priority on current one. A new wiki page will collect more ideas
+</I>&gt;<i> here: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=ideas">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=ideas</A>
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+--
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+<PRE>On Friday 01 July 2011 13:00:45 Kira wrote:
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1836">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1836</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There's a special plasmoid which can help with user experience of
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> those who used input method, but ever since the package request,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> there's no response. Would someone help with this one?
+</I>Well i did answer on the bug which has been marked as duplicate by You Shein,
+maybe you can have a look to this duplicate bug.
+
+--
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+<PRE>On Thursday 30 June 2011 23:37:22 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; afaik ntrack, if that is a problem, why don't you try and recompile KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; locally without ntrack? see if it improves stuff?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But _why_ is ntrack a *required* dependency of KDE as long as:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. other distros don't have it, neither as required by KDE, nor as an
+</I>&gt;<i> independent library;
+</I>Because it's cauldron so it's the moment to test some requirement, report
+bugs, &amp; eventually get fixed.
+For example here ntrack is a optionnal BUILD dependency for kdebase4-runtime
+which can provides additional features regarding the CmakeList cf :
+
+macro_log_feature(QNTRACK_FOUND &quot;QNtrack&quot; &quot;Network status tracking library&quot;
+&quot;<A HREF="http://launchpad.net/ntrack">http://launchpad.net/ntrack</A>&quot; FALSE &quot;&quot; &quot;Provides data input for Solid network
+status&quot;)
+
+We're just trying to provide our KDE with as much as functionnality as it's
+possible.
+
+&gt;<i>2. It is obviously *not* part of the KDE project.
+</I>libqdbusmenu-qt is not part of the KDE project but we're still using it?
+(and it was initially only used in kubuntu for the Ayatana project).
+
+We're also provinding the OpenSLP functionnality for network:/ by adding a
+dependency on openslp, should we get ride of ol thoses dependency because they
+are not part of KDE ?
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+I personally think we should test them during the cauldron period &amp; eventually
+remove some of them if they are not working as expected.
+
+--
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+</I>&gt;<i> Same question for me, I maintain qtads which is a qt4 app, but doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> require any KDE lib. Is it necessary to use kde-macros for that ?
+</I>Well here it's was initially packaged by neoclust it seems so that's normal he
+used the kde4 spec layout :)
+however it is not used by KDE and/or maintained by KDE so of course you're not
+stick to this policy.
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 01 July 2011 13:00:45 Kira wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1836">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1836</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There's a special plasmoid which can help with user experience of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> those who used input method, but ever since the package request,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there's no response. Would someone help with this one?
+</I>&gt;<i> Well i did answer on the bug which has been marked as duplicate by You
+</I>&gt;<i> Shein,
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe you can have a look to this duplicate bug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes, I had read about it. The problem is that nothing happened ever
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+<PRE>&gt;<i>macro_log_feature(QNTRACK_FOUND &quot;QNtrack&quot; &quot;Network status tracking library&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>&quot;<A HREF="http://launchpad.net/ntrack">http://launchpad.net/ntrack</A>&quot;; FALSE &quot;&quot; &quot;Provides data input for Solid network
+</I>&gt;<i>status&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>We're just trying to provide our KDE with as much as functionnality as it's
+</I>&gt;<i>possible.
+</I>
+
+OK, OK, OK (Leo Getz / Joe Pesci voice).&#160;&#160;
+
+Some Debian KDE guy managed to add &quot;an optional QNTrack backend to the solid-networkstatus kded module&quot;, almost nobody knows exactly what this is good at, yet top-notch, bleeding-edge distros (but not Fedora rawhide) adds this Kubuntu-derived dependency, right?
+
+<A HREF="http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&amp;m=128570600407656&amp;w=2">http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&amp;m=128570600407656&amp;w=2</A>
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+Cool. I can hardly wait until KDE5 gets GNOME4 dependencies.
+
+
+R-C
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Dexter Morgan at 01/07/11 00:05 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:41 AM, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 30 Jun 2011, Dexter Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i would like us to update to gnome 3.1 ( which will give gnome 3.2 ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When is the release of gnome 3.2 planned ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in october so we will at least have gnome 3.2.x in mageia 2
+</I>
+I think this makes sense...
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+Col
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+<PRE>Daniel Kreuter a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 06/29/2011 11:27 PM, schrieb andre999:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note that if someone shows an interest in getting involved with Mageia,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we don't have to focus only on packaging. We need all sorts of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contributions, and it would be useful to packagers to have other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> experiences, such as bug triaging and QA. So far, it seems everyone it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the team is taking such an approach.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Someone who is only a developer should also have experience with packaging.
+</I>
+True.
+A developer would (almost always) be packaging their own creations.
+Often enhancements to upstream software.
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+Thanks for the comment. I'm including the idea in the wiki page.
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+&gt;<i> Daniel Kreuter a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 06/29/2011 11:27 PM, schrieb andre999:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Note that if someone shows an interest in getting involved with Mageia,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we don't have to focus only on packaging. We need all sorts of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> contributions, and it would be useful to packagers to have other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> experiences, such as bug triaging and QA. So far, it seems everyone it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the team is taking such an approach.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Someone who is only a developer should also have experience with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packaging.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> True.
+</I>&gt;<i> A developer would (almost always) be packaging their own creations.
+</I>&gt;<i> Often enhancements to upstream software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for the comment. &#160;I'm including the idea in the wiki page.
+</I>
+Was not exactly what I meant. You cannot expect developpers to package
+his own soft for zillions of distros. But at least you can expect him
+to follow main rules that will help packagers: using Makefile,
+following FHS...
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+Anne
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 1 juil. 2011 08:44, &quot;Daniel Kreuter&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Am 06/29/2011 11:27 PM, schrieb andre999:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Note that if someone shows an interest in getting involved with Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; we don't have to focus only on packaging. We need all sorts of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; contributions, and it would be useful to packagers to have other
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; experiences, such as bug triaging and QA. So far, it seems everyone it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the team is taking such an approach.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Someone who is only a developer should also have experience with
+</I>&gt;<i> packaging.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe not in as an advanced packager but at least main policies what can
+</I>&gt;<i> help to have cleaner code for integration in distribution. Which make
+</I>&gt;<i> life easier for packager
+</I>
+Even from my limited packaging experience, I see that.
+In some cases I couldn't package a newer version of an older package (which I
+had easily packaged), because of some unknown changes upstream.
+(Although I don't doubt that with more time and experience I would have succeeded.)
+There were also a lot of chaotic spec files, which needed a lot of cleaning.
+
+It's important to have clear, well-defined policies.
+I'm doing my best to help. But we wouldn't be where we are without a lot of key
+people.
+Including our president :)
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+<PRE>Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 01:19:59, Z&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/6/30 Balcaen John&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thursday 30 June 2011 22:09:15 Z&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/6/29 John Balcaen&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/6/29&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 115962 Author ze Date 2011-06-29 15:57:57 +0200 (Wed, 29 Jun
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - no need to buildrequire and use kde-macros
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - use rpm native macros and not variables
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We were using kde4-macros especially because attica is maintained&amp;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> requires by KDE, so it's easier to follow it (like a urpmf --requires
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> kde4-macros Core_Release_SRPMS )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Since attica only needs qt4 theres no need to use kde-macros, thats
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> why you also have qt cmake macros like %cmake_qt4
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I know that it's just using qt4 but we're using kde4 macros as convention
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> here following our kde's spec layout.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But that layout is to apply for kde packages and for the ones that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> require kde, when thats not the case why is there any need to apply
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kde macros?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I dont see the point for that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Same question for me, I maintain qtads which is a qt4 app, but doesn't require
+</I>&gt;<i> any KDE lib. Is it necessary to use kde-macros for that ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+I agree as well.
+I've avoided Qt-based packages because of unwanted kde packages being
+&quot;required&quot;. (Being a Gnome user.)
+(Luckily I was able to find non-Qt more-or-less equivalents.)
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+It seems to me more appropriate to let requires cascade, so as to minimize
+installed packages, rather than trying to include (and install) everything.
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+<PRE>2011/7/1 Kira &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 17:24:47 +0800, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Friday 01 July 2011 13:00:45 Kira wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1836">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1836</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There's a special plasmoid which can help with user experience of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> those who used input method, but ever since the package request,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> there's no response. Would someone help with this one?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well i did answer on the bug which has been marked as duplicate by You
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Shein,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maybe you can have a look to this duplicate bug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I had read about it. The problem is that nothing happened ever
+</I>&gt;<i> since....
+</I>because as i said on this bug report &#171; i'll try to do it &#187; &amp; not i'll
+dot it asap &amp; it's only
+since 5 days not a month or 2 weeks 5 days...
+during thoses 5 days i just wrote to package kde 4.7, &amp; some dependencies &amp; i
+also have a real life.
+So now maybe you can simply add fwang on cc on the bug list since he's the one
+who import ibus if i'm not wrong i guess he'll be pleased to fix it.
+
+Regards,
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+&gt;&gt;<i>macro_log_feature(QNTRACK_FOUND &quot;QNtrack&quot; &quot;Network status tracking library&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&quot;<A HREF="http://launchpad.net/ntrack">http://launchpad.net/ntrack</A>&quot;; FALSE &quot;&quot; &quot;Provides data input for Solid network
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>status&quot;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>We're just trying to provide our KDE with as much as functionnality as it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, OK, OK (Leo Getz / Joe Pesci voice).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some Debian KDE guy managed to add &quot;an optional QNTrack backend to the solid-networkstatus kded module&quot;, almost nobody knows exactly what this is good at, yet top-notch, bleeding-edge distros (but not Fedora rawhide) adds this Kubuntu-derived dependency, right?
+</I>Did you really read my mail about *testing* &amp; eventually removing
+thoses dependency non useful/problematic BR ?
+Or it is just the way you're used to talk without any consideration
+for the packager?
+
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+&gt;<i> &gt;macro_log_feature(QNTRACK_FOUND &quot;QNtrack&quot; &quot;Network status tracking
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;library&quot; &quot;<A HREF="http://launchpad.net/ntrack">http://launchpad.net/ntrack</A>&quot;; FALSE &quot;&quot; &quot;Provides data input for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Solid network status&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;We're just trying to provide our KDE with as much as functionnality as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;it's possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, OK, OK (Leo Getz / Joe Pesci voice).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some Debian KDE guy managed to add &quot;an optional QNTrack backend to the
+</I>&gt;<i> solid-networkstatus kded module&quot;, almost nobody knows exactly what this is
+</I>&gt;<i> good at, yet top-notch, bleeding-edge distros (but not Fedora rawhide) adds
+</I>&gt;<i> this Kubuntu-derived dependency, right?
+</I>Did you read my whole mail or are you just quoting something to start a
+flamewar ?
+
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+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> True.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A developer would (almost always) be packaging their own creations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Often enhancements to upstream software.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for the comment. I'm including the idea in the wiki page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Was not exactly what I meant. You cannot expect developpers to package
+</I>&gt;<i> his own soft for zillions of distros. But at least you can expect him
+</I>&gt;<i> to follow main rules that will help packagers: using Makefile,
+</I>&gt;<i> following FHS...
+</I>
+Not for zillions of distros, but someone who develops for Mageia should
+have some experience with packaging.
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+&gt;<i> because as i said on this bug report &#171; i'll try to do it &#187; &amp; not i'll
+</I>&gt;<i> dot it asap &amp; it's only
+</I>&gt;<i> since 5 days not a month or 2 weeks 5 days...
+</I>&gt;<i> during thoses 5 days i just wrote to package kde 4.7, &amp; some
+</I>&gt;<i> dependencies &amp; i
+</I>&gt;<i> also have a real life.
+</I>&gt;<i> So now maybe you can simply add fwang on cc on the bug list since he's
+</I>&gt;<i> the one
+</I>&gt;<i> who import ibus if i'm not wrong i guess he'll be pleased to fix it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sorry that I didn't notice the date you replied to the bug report..
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+<PRE>&gt;<i>Did you really read my mail about *testing* &amp; eventually removing
+</I>&gt;<i>thoses dependency non useful/problematic BR ?
+</I>
+I did. But how are we supposed to test as long we don't know what some of the dependencies are good for?!?
+
+
+&gt;<i>Or it is just the way you're used to talk without any consideration
+</I>&gt;<i>for the packager?
+</I>
+
+It's not the packager, it's the policy. Adding something just because upstream has provided an optional dependency...
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+R-C
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+<PRE>2011/7/1 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 07/01/2011 01:21 PM, Anne nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> True.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A developer would (almost always) be packaging their own creations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Often enhancements to upstream software.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for the comment. &#160;I'm including the idea in the wiki page.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Was not exactly what I meant. You cannot expect developpers to package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> his own soft for zillions of distros. But at least you can expect him
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to follow main rules that will help packagers: using Makefile,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> following &#160;FHS...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not for zillions of distros, but someone who develops for Mageia should have
+</I>&gt;<i> some experience with packaging.
+</I>
+Do you mean we should not share our devs with other distros ? :)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+--
+Anne
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+&gt;<i> It's not the packager, it's the policy. Adding something just because upstream has provided an optional dependency...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>So then how are you going to test the functionality without testing it ?
+Even if we're not going to keep it why should not we test it on
+cauldron since cauldron is cauldron ?
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+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 30 juin 2011 &#224; 16:32 -0400, Vincent a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi All,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to participate to your project and to help you by packaging
+</I>&gt;<i> rpms.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I don't know what needs to be packed, I've tried to make rpm for
+</I>&gt;<i> ZoneMinder 1.24.4. But it fails to install into BUILDROOT environment. I
+</I>&gt;<i> must have done something wrong while setting installation destinations.
+</I>
+Can you give the exact error message ?
+You may need to create the directory by hand, if the makefile don't.
+
+&gt;<i> Attached is the spec file, and the patch to make it compiled.
+</I>
+First, the description is too long and too big.
+
+The patch is not commented and do not explicitly what it does. And
+should also be sent upstream, so we will not have to apply it in the
+future.
+
+
+License: GPLV2 or later
+this is not the notation we usually use, this should be GPLv2+ ( see
+rpmlint to check that, and the wiki for licenses policy )
+
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+BuildRequires: %{_lib}ffmpeg-devel
+
+this is incorrect, the BuildRequires will depend on the architecture
+where the src was rebuild. The BuildRequires must not change. Usually,
+there is a provides added for that ( but we are moving to having
+libffmpeg-devel on both arch ).
+
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+ --enable-mmap=yes \
+ --disable-debug \
+ --enable-mmap=no \
+
+Why disable and then enable mmap ?
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+%post
+
+%postun
+[ $1 = 0 ] || exit 0
+
+Why ?
+
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+%files
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_bindir/zma
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+There is no documentation, and the file in /var do not seems to be
+present.
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+Michael Scherer
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+&gt;<i> So then how are you going to test the functionality without testing it ?
+</I>
+So what am I supposed to be testing? Apart that it doesn't kill my CPU, and that packaging etc. is correct, what is the _functionality_ to be tested? It's not documented, not even upstream. Just a commit from last September.
+
+&gt;<i> Even if we're not going to keep it why should not we test it on
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron since cauldron is cauldron ?
+</I>
+Cauldron or not, what can be tested in an addition that nobody knows what functionality it's _supposed_ to bring?
+
+For instance, when I added (for myself, and the suggestion was taken into account by the Mageia packager) python-dnspython as a requirement for the newer calibre (it was not in the spec and calibre can work w/o it), I knew exactly what's the use of it: allowing calibre to send e-mails (and I've tested that it works).
+
+Not to minimize your work as a packager. But I _feel_ (I didn't say _believe_) that, with huge projects such as KDE4, adding a non-mandatory dependency should be pondered on more carefully that with small projects -- because of the impact.
+
+Cheers,
+R-C aka beranger
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+<PRE>On Fri, 1 Jul 2011, John Balcaen wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/1 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's not the packager, it's the policy. Adding something just because upstream has provided an optional dependency...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So then how are you going to test the functionality without testing it ?
+</I>
+AFAICT the question was: what is this added functionality? Did this kde4
+component not get network status updates and now it does get them through
+the library?
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+As gnome 3.2 will be available on october ( and in mageia 2 ) we will
+start to update now to gnome 3.1 to be able to report as many issues
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+On 2011.07.01, at 14:42, Dexter Morgan wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As gnome 3.2 will be available on october ( and in mageia 2 ) we will
+</I>&gt;<i> start to update now to gnome 3.1 to be able to report as many issues
+</I>&gt;<i> as possible upstream.
+</I>
+Nice!!
+I have some questions in my queue, but will wait till new packages are
+there so they get solved automagically ;)
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 2011.07.01, at 14:42, Dexter Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As gnome 3.2 will be available on october ( and in mageia 2 ) we will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> start to update now to gnome 3.1 to be able to report as many issues
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as possible upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nice!!
+</I>&gt;<i> I have some questions in my queue, but will wait till new packages are
+</I>&gt;<i> there so they get solved automagically ;)
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 29 juin 2011 &#224; 17:27 -0400, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> proposal regarding mentoring program coordinator
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In various parts of the proposal I assume that users with a Mageia account can
+</I>&gt;<i> receive email redirected to them from <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pseudo at mageia.org</A>, to the address they
+</I>&gt;<i> give on the Mageia account. (pseudo being their mageia account name.)
+</I>&gt;<i> (Stormi : it should work for all packagers, but not for new users I think)
+</I>&gt;<i> (Which explains why it doesn't work for my account, as I'm not yet officially a
+</I>&gt;<i> packager.) (but it would be good to activate that for everyone.)
+</I>
+This is a no-go. Emails aliases are not given to everybody that ask, or
+it would be meaningless :/
+
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+&gt;<i> 2) Mentoring coordinating team
+</I>&gt;<i> An informal group which works with the coordinator, to accomplish required tasks.
+</I>&gt;<i> For the moment we have myself (andre999), Daniel Kreuter and magnus.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) The mentoring coordinator team will monitoring IRC, mailing lists and forums,
+</I>&gt;<i> for those interested in becoming a packager.
+</I>&gt;<i> Those considering becoming packagers will often be hesitant, and we need to
+</I>&gt;<i> encourage them. So let's try to maintain contact with those who show an interest.
+</I>&gt;<i> (It looks like we are already off to a good start.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We would like to have an email address for the team, which would direct messages
+</I>&gt;<i> to all team members.
+</I>&gt;<i> It could be <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mentoring at mageia.org</A> or similar (suggested by Daniel).
+</I>
+We keep @mageia.org for real persons. The usual way to have a group mail
+is something along <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A>, and this requires a ldap group.
+( which in turn requires 1) identity account 2) a list of person, and
+someone to manage the group )
+
+&gt;<i> 4) Miscelaneous suggestions
+</I>&gt;<i> - Currently apprentices are promoted to full packagers by their mentor, once the
+</I>&gt;<i> mentor is satisfied with the competence of the apprentice.
+</I>&gt;<i> It has been suggested that apprentices become full packagers by vote.
+</I>&gt;<i> Since this is a skill position, this would be presumably be a vote by mentors or
+</I>&gt;<i> packagers. Something to consider.
+</I>
+What is the rational for using a vote ?
+
+&gt;<i> - standard email with important info and links to send to potential apprentices.
+</I>&gt;<i> (This info is to be put in the potential packager section of the wiki page, so
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe we just send a link to that page.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Make list of new package requests, which are simple enough for apprentices to
+</I>&gt;<i> train with.
+</I>
+Or task such as bug triaging, patch triaging, etc.
+
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+<PRE>Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/1 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Daniel Kreuter a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 06/29/2011 11:27 PM, schrieb andre999:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Note that if someone shows an interest in getting involved with Mageia,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we don't have to focus only on packaging. We need all sorts of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> contributions, and it would be useful to packagers to have other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> experiences, such as bug triaging and QA. So far, it seems everyone it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the team is taking such an approach.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Someone who is only a developer should also have experience with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packaging.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> True.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A developer would (almost always) be packaging their own creations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Often enhancements to upstream software.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for the comment. I'm including the idea in the wiki page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Was not exactly what I meant. You cannot expect developpers to package
+</I>&gt;<i> his own soft for zillions of distros. But at least you can expect him
+</I>&gt;<i> to follow main rules that will help packagers: using Makefile,
+</I>&gt;<i> following FHS...
+</I>
+I was thinking that developers tend to have _some_ experience packaging their
+own software - and certainly not usually for many distros.
+
+I hadn't thought about makefile, but I totally agree about FHS.
+Reminds me of some discussions I've had in the past with developers who were
+very creative with their interpretations of FHS. But decided to concede to
+feedback from myself and (apparently) many others.
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+You certainly would be more aware of the finer points than myself :)
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+BTW, my wiki page is going to be pointing to other pages (created by experienced
+packagers) with the detailed documentation, so you don't have to worry about my
+lack of much packaging experience.
+Plus I've done a lot of software-related documentation (in English as well as
+French), so my presentation should be ok.
+
+It would somewhat easier if the wiki had a few more features. Could you tell me
+who would be best to talk to about that ? (I'm not expecting instant
+gratification, but giving a little input into the long-term setup.)
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+Thanks :)
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+&gt;<i> I was thinking that developers tend to have _some_ experience packaging their
+</I>&gt;<i> own software - and certainly not usually for many distros.
+</I>
+Unfortunately, they don't.
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+Look at the various php web software and how they tend to be happy with
+the approach of &quot;let's untar everything in one folder where the web
+server can write and read&quot;, or the tendency to bundle every possible
+java software in the sun in the same tarball, thus making proper version
+tracking a nightmare. Or ruby developers who just say &quot;use gem install
+bundle&quot;.
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+Developers are usually far away from the preoccupation of packagers, and
+from the complexity that is required for stuff like unified and
+centralized deployment, upgrading, integration, etc.
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+<PRE>Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 29 juin 2011 &#224; 17:27 -0400, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proposal regarding mentoring program coordinator
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In various parts of the proposal I assume that users with a Mageia account can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> receive email redirected to them from <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pseudo at mageia.org</A>, to the address they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> give on the Mageia account. (pseudo being their mageia account name.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Stormi : it should work for all packagers, but not for new users I think)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Which explains why it doesn't work for my account, as I'm not yet officially a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packager.) (but it would be good to activate that for everyone.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a no-go. Emails aliases are not given to everybody that ask, or
+</I>&gt;<i> it would be meaningless :/
+</I>
+No problem.
+The idea was automatically for everyone with a mageia account.
+Otherwise we have to use another approach.
+BTW, do packager's get such aliases ? I'd like to eventually have one.
+
+[...]
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+&gt;&gt;<i> We would like to have an email address for the team, which would direct messages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to all team members.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It could be <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mentoring at mageia.org</A> or similar (suggested by Daniel).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We keep @mageia.org for real persons. The usual way to have a group mail
+</I>&gt;<i> is something along <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A>, and this requires a ldap group.
+</I>&gt;<i> ( which in turn requires 1) identity account 2) a list of person, and
+</I>&gt;<i> someone to manage the group )
+</I>
+Would something like <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">coord at pmentoring.mageia.org</A> be Ok ?
+Presumably I would manage the group, which would include at least magnus + Daniel.
+So who should I talk to about setting it up ?
+Would I be able to add new persons myself, or would I have to request it ?
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> 4) Miscelaneous suggestions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Currently apprentices are promoted to full packagers by their mentor, once the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mentor is satisfied with the competence of the apprentice.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It has been suggested that apprentices become full packagers by vote.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since this is a skill position, this would be presumably be a vote by mentors or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packagers. Something to consider.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the rational for using a vote ?
+</I>
+That was an idea from what is/was apparently done at Ubuntu. Personally I like
+the current approach. If the mentor isn't sure, they are always free to consult
+another before deciding.
+
+[...]
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+&gt;&gt;<i> - Make list of new package requests, which are simple enough for apprentices to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> train with.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or task such as bug triaging, patch triaging, etc.
+</I>
+I've already have a similar suggestion in the wiki.
+But I like this better, so it will be added.
+
+Thanks for the feedback :)
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+<PRE>Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 01 juillet 2011 &#224; 09:48 -0400, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was thinking that developers tend to have _some_ experience packaging their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> own software - and certainly not usually for many distros.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately, they don't.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Look at the various php web software and how they tend to be happy with
+</I>&gt;<i> the approach of &quot;let's untar everything in one folder where the web
+</I>&gt;<i> server can write and read&quot;, or the tendency to bundle every possible
+</I>&gt;<i> java software in the sun in the same tarball, thus making proper version
+</I>&gt;<i> tracking a nightmare. Or ruby developers who just say &quot;use gem install
+</I>&gt;<i> bundle&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Developers are usually far away from the preoccupation of packagers, and
+</I>&gt;<i> from the complexity that is required for stuff like unified and
+</I>&gt;<i> centralized deployment, upgrading, integration, etc.
+</I>
+Hadn't thought of it that way before, but some of these points ring a bell.
+I still have a lot to learn about the problems encountered in packaging.
+It might be interesting to prepare a guide that could be sent to offending
+developers .. if there isn't one already.
+I've learned at lot about distro processes in the last few months.
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+<PRE>On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We would like to have an email address for the team, which would direct messages
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to all team members.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It could be <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mentoring at mageia.org</A> or similar (suggested by Daniel).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We keep @mageia.org for real persons. The usual way to have a group mail
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is something along <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A>, and this requires a ldap group.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ( which in turn requires 1) identity account 2) a list of person, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> someone to manage the group )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would something like <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">coord at pmentoring.mageia.org</A> be Ok ?
+</I>
+No, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A> with foo replaced by the group name.
+
+&gt;<i> Presumably I would manage the group, which would include at least magnus + Daniel.
+</I>&gt;<i> So who should I talk to about setting it up ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Would I be able to add new persons myself, or would I have to request it ?
+</I>
+What would be the use of this group and alias ?
+Shouldn't most discussions be public, so on a mailing list ?
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+I'm in favor of reverting tcl and tk into stable series 8.5 rather
+than current 8.6 beta1.
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+8.6b1 is released almost 2.5 years ago, and it seems that there is no
+plan pushing it into 8.6b2 or final stable release. Mandriva and
+Mageia are the only distros shipping 8.6b1. I don't think it is doable
+for a common distro.
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+Any negative ideas?
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+&gt;<i> &gt; So then how are you going to test the functionality without testing it ?
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+</I>&gt;<i> So what am I supposed to be testing? Apart that it doesn't kill my CPU, and
+</I>&gt;<i> that packaging etc. is correct, what is the _functionality_ to be tested?
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not documented, not even upstream. Just a commit from last September.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Even if we're not going to keep it why should not we test it on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cauldron since cauldron is cauldron ?
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Cauldron or not, what can be tested in an addition that nobody knows what
+</I>&gt;<i> functionality it's _supposed_ to bring?
+</I>[...]
+ntrack is supposed to provide more information regarding connection/route
+change for desktop applications &amp; such so we'll probably see applications or
+developpers used it later. If we can provide by default an environnement so
+developers can use it (aka no need to recompile/add 'x' br) if it's not a
+burden for end users why not providing it ?
+As i said earlier it's cauldron, so we can add it &amp; remove build dependency
+even more use it to report bug upstream if something is broken /not working as
+expected. From my point of view it's allow us to have eventually more
+interaction from upstream as a distribution trying to follow upstream as much
+as possible &amp; then probably get more developers using our distribution.
+Anyway it just seems
+
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+&gt;<i> Not to minimize your work as a packager. But I _feel_ (I didn't say
+</I>&gt;<i> _believe_) that, with huge projects such as KDE4, adding a non-mandatory
+</I>&gt;<i> dependency should be pondered on more carefully that with small projects --
+</I>&gt;<i> because of the impact.
+</I>Well i guess it was a little bit tested before getting merged in kde master
+even as an optionnal buildrequires. if it was such problematic i guess it
+would not have been merged or dropped after...
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+Balcaen John
+Jabber ID: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+&gt;<i> Hadn't thought of it that way before, but some of these points ring a bell.
+</I>&gt;<i> I still have a lot to learn about the problems encountered in packaging.
+</I>&gt;<i> It might be interesting to prepare a guide that could be sent to
+</I>&gt;<i> offending developers .. if there isn't one already.
+</I>&gt;<i> I've learned at lot about distro processes in the last few months.
+</I>
+i wrote sthg about perl packaging &amp; tips for perl module authors:
+<A HREF="http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2009/12/helping-perl-packagers-package-perl.html">http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2009/12/helping-perl-packagers-package-perl.html</A>
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+it was written when i was packaging for mandriva, but everything still
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+some of those items are perl-centric, but some of them can be used for
+profit whatever the language.
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+j&#233;r&#244;me
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+&gt;<i> 8.6b1 is released almost 2.5 years ago, and it seems that there is no
+</I>&gt;<i> plan pushing it into 8.6b2 or final stable release. Mandriva and
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia are the only distros shipping 8.6b1. I don't think it is doable
+</I>&gt;<i> for a common distro.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Any negative ideas?
+</I>
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+Looks like a good idea, judging by bug 2992970:
+<A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&amp;atid=110894&amp;aid=2992970&amp;group_id=10894">http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&amp;atid=110894&amp;aid=2992970&amp;group_id=10894</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.rhinocerus.net/forum/lang-tcl/616281-binary-reader-speed-comparison-tcl-8-5-8-tcl-8-6b1-1-a.html">http://www.rhinocerus.net/forum/lang-tcl/616281-binary-reader-speed-comparison-tcl-8-5-8-tcl-8-6b1-1-a.html</A>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm in favor of reverting tcl and tk into stable series 8.5 rather
+</I>&gt;<i> than current 8.6 beta1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 8.6b1 is released almost 2.5 years ago, and it seems that there is no
+</I>&gt;<i> plan pushing it into 8.6b2 or final stable release. Mandriva and
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia are the only distros shipping 8.6b1. I don't think it is doable
+</I>&gt;<i> for a common distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any negative ideas?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+with all the elements you gave i think you are right and that we
+should revert too.
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+So for me this is a +1
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+ <B>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU</B>
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+&gt;<i> ntrack is supposed to provide more information regarding connection/route
+</I>&gt;<i> change for desktop applications &amp; such so we'll probably see
+</I>&gt;<i> applications or developpers used it later. If we can provide by default
+</I>&gt;<i> an environnement so developers can use it (aka no need to
+</I>&gt;<i> recompile/add 'x' br) if it's not a burden for end users why not providing it ?
+</I>
+Thank you. It makes sense. However, it's very frustrating that the upstream doesn't bother to document what's new in such a release, being it an RC.
+They didn't even bother to list the most important bugs that are fixed (although I also suspect some bugs vanished as a side effect of some changes).
+
+Now, it's tough to determine what exactly is making kded4 to eat the CPU. As I'm having a single core, I'm burned. At the same time, minor changes that are actually small improvements make me want to stay with 4.6.90, not to revert to 4.6.4....
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+R-C
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+ <B>R&#233;mi Verschelde</B>
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+&gt;<i> This is making me crazy. After upgrading to KDE 4.6.90 (cauldron, of
+</I>&gt;<i> course), the bloody m*f*er kded4 (the worse idea in KDE4) constantly takes
+</I>&gt;<i> 55-75% CPU.
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, killing it is possible, but this affects the plasmoids. (E.g. it
+</I>&gt;<i> made me inadvertently filling an invalid bug report 1981, which disappeared
+</I>&gt;<i> once I let kded4 live.)
+</I>&gt;<i> Really, isn't anybody experiencing high CPU from kded4?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I experience the same problem.
+kded4 uses 50% of my dual core CPU (so, one core I suppose).
+
+Killing kded4 using kill -9 `pidof kded4` and launching it again fixed
+it (temporarily I guess).
+
+R&#233;mi / Akien
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+&gt;<i> Now, it's tough to determine what exactly is making kded4 to eat the
+</I>&gt;<i> CPU. As I'm having a single core, I'm burned. At the same time, minor
+</I>&gt;<i> changes that are actually small improvements make me want to stay with
+</I>&gt;<i> 4.6.90, not to revert to 4.6.4....
+</I>
+One way to figure that out is to attach gdb to it while it's running and
+then print a backtrace. If you do that several times, you may break in the
+code that's running a lot. But even if that works it is likely still not
+easy to figure out what's going on.
+
+Other ways to get information would be to strace (or ltrace) this daemon
+to get an idea what it's trying to do. But CPU usage by the application
+itself cannot be seen this way.
+
+An easier way to start is to run iotop and check if kded4 is doing any I/O
+related to this cpu usage.
+
+
+ Christaan
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+&gt;<i> One way to figure that out is to attach gdb to it while it's running and
+</I>&gt;<i> then print a backtrace. If you do that several times, you may break in the code
+</I>&gt;<i> that's running a lot. But even if that works it is likely still not easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> figure out what's going on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Other ways to get information would be to strace (or ltrace) this daemon to get
+</I>&gt;<i> an idea what it's trying to do. But CPU usage by the application itself
+</I>&gt;<i> cannot be seen this way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> An easier way to start is to run iotop and check if kded4 is doing any I/O
+</I>&gt;<i> related to this cpu usage.
+</I>
+Well, thanks for the ideas. As long as it takes at least 55% of the CPU anyway, this is going to be quite cumbersome, and I have some other (productive) tasks to do, so I don't expect to investigate this before Sunday night.
+
+R-C
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+<PRE>I've updated the spec according to some of your comments.
+
+The error I have is:
+make install-data-hook
+make[4]: Entering directory `/home/user/rpmbuild/BUILD/ZoneMinder-1.24.4/web'
+( cd /home/user/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/ZoneMinder-1.24.4-1.mga1.x86_64/var/www/ZoneMinder;
+chown apache:apache index.php )
+chown: changing ownership of `index.php': Operation not permitted
+
+Should I be root to run rpmbuild??
+
+Thanks for your help
+
+
+Vincent
+
+On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 30 juin 2011 &#224; 16:32 -0400, Vincent a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi All,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to participate to your project and to help you by packaging
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpms.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As I don't know what needs to be packed, I've tried to make rpm for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ZoneMinder 1.24.4. But it fails to install into BUILDROOT environment. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> must have done something wrong while setting installation destinations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you give the exact error message ?
+</I>&gt;<i> You may need to create the directory by hand, if the makefile don't.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Attached is the spec file, and the patch to make it compiled.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First, the description is too long and too big.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The patch is not commented and do not explicitly what it does. And
+</I>&gt;<i> should also be sent upstream, so we will not have to apply it in the
+</I>&gt;<i> future.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> License: &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;GPLV2 or later
+</I>&gt;<i> this is not the notation we usually use, this should be GPLv2+ ( see
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmlint to check that, and the wiki for licenses policy &#160;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: %{_lib}ffmpeg-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this is incorrect, the BuildRequires will depend on the architecture
+</I>&gt;<i> where the src was rebuild. The BuildRequires must not change. Usually,
+</I>&gt;<i> there is a provides added for that ( but we are moving to having
+</I>&gt;<i> libffmpeg-devel on both arch ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; --enable-mmap=yes \
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; --disable-debug \
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; --enable-mmap=no \
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why disable and then enable mmap ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> %post
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %postun
+</I>&gt;<i> [ $1 = 0 ] || exit 0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> %files
+</I>&gt;<i> %defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;<i> %_bindir/zma
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is no documentation, and the file in /var do not seems to be
+</I>&gt;<i> present.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Jerome Quelin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 11/07/01 11:20 -0400, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hadn't thought of it that way before, but some of these points ring a bell.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I still have a lot to learn about the problems encountered in packaging.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It might be interesting to prepare a guide that could be sent to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> offending developers .. if there isn't one already.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've learned at lot about distro processes in the last few months.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i wrote sthg about perl packaging&amp; tips for perl module authors:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2009/12/helping-perl-packagers-package-perl.html">http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2009/12/helping-perl-packagers-package-perl.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it was written when i was packaging for mandriva, but everything still
+</I>&gt;<i> holds true.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> some of those items are perl-centric, but some of them can be used for
+</I>&gt;<i> profit whatever the language.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> j&#233;r&#244;me
+</I>
+Thanks for the reference :)
+I could appreciate most of non perl-specific points.
+I liked the 1.470-to-1.50 point -- which _is_ kind of funny if you're not
+directly involved.
+The perl-specific points are interesting as well, since I'm interested in
+(eventually) helping with drak* tools
+I bookmarked the link -- it should go somewhere in our documentation
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> I've updated the spec according to some of your comments.
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+</I>&gt;<i> The error I have is:
+</I>&gt;<i> chown: changing ownership of `index.php': Operation not permitted
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We would like to have an email address for the team, which would direct messages
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to all team members.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It could be <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mentoring at mageia.org</A> or similar (suggested by Daniel).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We keep @mageia.org for real persons. The usual way to have a group mail
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is something along <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A>, and this requires a ldap group.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ( which in turn requires 1) identity account 2) a list of person, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> someone to manage the group )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would something like <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">coord at pmentoring.mageia.org</A> be Ok ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A> with foo replaced by the group name.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Presumably I would manage the group, which would include at least magnus + Daniel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So who should I talk to about setting it up ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would I be able to add new persons myself, or would I have to request it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What would be the use of this group and alias ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Shouldn't most discussions be public, so on a mailing list ?
+</I>
+This would be for potential packager apprentices or others to easily contact all
+members the mentoring coordinator team.
+So one of us can respond quickly, mostly to update our packages_mentoring wiki
+page. (Which will be ready in the next few days.)
+We could also use it to discuss among ourselves, which we now do by private email.
+So it wouldn't be of general interest. We wouldn't want those outside our group
+responding to messages received, like in a public mailing list.
+(The group might include a few outside our team.)
+(It could include mentors, but they will see useful info on our wiki page.)
+A restricted-access mailing list should work.
+
+So it boils down to whatever is easiest, I guess.
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pmentoring-coord at group.mageia.org</A> ?
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pmentoring-coord at ml.mageia.org</A> ?
+
+Your call :)
+--
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 22:49:29, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We would like to have an email address for the team, which would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; direct messages to all team members.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; It could be <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mentoring at mageia.org</A> or similar (suggested by Daniel).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; We keep @mageia.org for real persons. The usual way to have a group
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; mail is something along <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A>, and this requires a ldap
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; group. ( which in turn requires 1) identity account 2) a list of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; person, and someone to manage the group )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Would something like <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">coord at pmentoring.mageia.org</A> be Ok ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A> with foo replaced by the group name.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Presumably I would manage the group, which would include at least magnus
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; + Daniel. So who should I talk to about setting it up ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Would I be able to add new persons myself, or would I have to request it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What would be the use of this group and alias ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Shouldn't most discussions be public, so on a mailing list ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This would be for potential packager apprentices or others to easily
+</I>&gt;<i> contact all members the mentoring coordinator team.
+</I>&gt;<i> So one of us can respond quickly, mostly to update our packages_mentoring
+</I>&gt;<i> wiki page. (Which will be ready in the next few days.)
+</I>&gt;<i> We could also use it to discuss among ourselves, which we now do by private
+</I>&gt;<i> email. So it wouldn't be of general interest. We wouldn't want those
+</I>&gt;<i> outside our group responding to messages received, like in a public
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing list.
+</I>&gt;<i> (The group might include a few outside our team.)
+</I>&gt;<i> (It could include mentors, but they will see useful info on our wiki page.)
+</I>&gt;<i> A restricted-access mailing list should work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't think there's a need for restricted access, and it would be opposite
+to the way we try to do everything in the open.
+
+What you need is
+1) a way to be contacted directly by those who need (apprentices)
+2) a way to discuss within members of the team, but maybe other people too if
+some want to join the discussion
+
+For 1), I think your @mageia.org address once you will get one is sufficient.
+It's only one means of communication among others (MLs, forums, wiki), so I
+don't think a group is necessarily needed for that. You can still forward
+requests you can't handle yourself.
+
+For 2), I don't know what is better :
+- use an existing mailing list
+- create a new one
+
+I think you must try to use direct e-mail among you only when there's a good
+reason to avoid public discussion. Saying that it's not of general interest is
+not a good enough reason, I think. Do you have other reasons for wanting a
+private mailing list ?
+
+Best regards
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+<PRE>Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 01:07:00, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 22:49:29, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We would like to have an email address for the team, which would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; direct messages to all team members.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; It could be <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mentoring at mageia.org</A> or similar (suggested by Daniel).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; We keep @mageia.org for real persons. The usual way to have a group
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; mail is something along <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A>, and this requires a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; ldap group. ( which in turn requires 1) identity account 2) a list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; of person, and someone to manage the group )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Would something like <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">coord at pmentoring.mageia.org</A> be Ok ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; No, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A> with foo replaced by the group name.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Presumably I would manage the group, which would include at least
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; magnus + Daniel. So who should I talk to about setting it up ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Would I be able to add new persons myself, or would I have to request
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; What would be the use of this group and alias ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Shouldn't most discussions be public, so on a mailing list ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This would be for potential packager apprentices or others to easily
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; contact all members the mentoring coordinator team.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So one of us can respond quickly, mostly to update our packages_mentoring
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wiki page. (Which will be ready in the next few days.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We could also use it to discuss among ourselves, which we now do by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; private email. So it wouldn't be of general interest. We wouldn't want
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; those outside our group responding to messages received, like in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; public mailing list.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (The group might include a few outside our team.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (It could include mentors, but they will see useful info on our wiki
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; page.) A restricted-access mailing list should work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think there's a need for restricted access, and it would be
+</I>&gt;<i> opposite to the way we try to do everything in the open.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What you need is
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) a way to be contacted directly by those who need (apprentices)
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) a way to discuss within members of the team, but maybe other people too
+</I>&gt;<i> if some want to join the discussion
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For 1), I think your @mageia.org address once you will get one is
+</I>&gt;<i> sufficient. It's only one means of communication among others (MLs,
+</I>&gt;<i> forums, wiki), so I don't think a group is necessarily needed for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> You can still forward requests you can't handle yourself.
+</I>
+That being said, I have nothing against the use of a group for that, but only
+as a contact e-mail, not for discussion, or only for sensitive discussion
+about specific persons.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For 2), I don't know what is better :
+</I>&gt;<i> - use an existing mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> - create a new one
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you must try to use direct e-mail among you only when there's a
+</I>&gt;<i> good reason to avoid public discussion. Saying that it's not of general
+</I>&gt;<i> interest is not a good enough reason, I think. Do you have other reasons
+</I>&gt;<i> for wanting a private mailing list ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 29 juin 2011 23:27:08, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 3) The mentoring coordinator team will monitoring IRC, mailing lists and
+</I>&gt;<i> forums, for those interested in becoming a packager.
+</I>&gt;<i> Those considering becoming packagers will often be hesitant, and we need to
+</I>&gt;<i> encourage them. So let's try to maintain contact with those who show an
+</I>&gt;<i> interest. (It looks like we are already off to a good start.)
+</I>
+If you plan to let people add their names by themselves on the wiki, then you
+need also to monitor the wiki page for changes (I don't know if the new wiki
+will allow to send you an e-mail when the page changes).
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+<PRE>On Thursday, June 30, 2011 09:12:26 pm Ahmad Samir wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 1 July 2011 05:35, Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thursday, June 30, 2011 08:08:48 pm Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 1 July 2011 03:24, Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; On Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:16:47 am Cazzaniga Sandro wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Le 30/06/2011 06:54, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; It seems libperl.so is hiding
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; It is wehre it should be but cyrus-imap cannot find it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Maybe we have to check cyrus-imap instead of libperl.so, so.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; it gives the pretty much same error if you want to rebuild it. I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; remember it still work with perl-514.0 but not with 5.14.1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Below is the message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; # service cyrus-imapd start
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Starting cyrus-imapd: /usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/cyrus-master: error while
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; loading shared libraries: libperl.so: cannot open shared object file:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; net-snmp hardcodes the path to libperl.so, so it needed a rebuild,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I've submitted it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks Ahmad
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just curious, how did you find out?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I sort of remembered from a previous perl upgrade that net-snmp was
+</I>&gt;<i> the culprit behind cyrus-imapd didn't work after the upgrade, that
+</I>&gt;<i> and:
+</I>&gt;<i> $ ldd /usr/lib64/libnetsnmpagent.so.25
+</I>&gt;<i> linux-vdso.so.1 =&gt; (0x00007fff2c5ff000)
+</I>&gt;<i> libnetsnmp.so.25 =&gt; /usr/lib64/libnetsnmp.so.25
+</I>&gt;<i> (0x00007f242c5ad000) libwrap.so.0 =&gt; /lib64/libwrap.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> (0x00007f242c3a2000)
+</I>&gt;<i> libperl.so =&gt; not found
+</I>&gt;<i> libpthread.so.0 =&gt; /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f242c186000)
+</I>&gt;<i> libc.so.6 =&gt; /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007f242be14000)
+</I>&gt;<i> libcrypto.so.1.0.0 =&gt; /usr/lib64/libcrypto.so.1.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> (0x00007f242ba29000) libnsl.so.1 =&gt; /lib64/libnsl.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i> (0x00007f242b810000)
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f242cb1a000)
+</I>&gt;<i> libdl.so.2 =&gt; /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f242b60b000)
+</I>fixed. Actually it was net-snmp-mibs
+--
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 01:07:00, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 22:49:29, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Would something like <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">coord at pmentoring.mageia.org</A> be Ok ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A> with foo replaced by the group name.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Presumably I would manage the group, which would include at least
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> magnus + Daniel. So who should I talk to about setting it up ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Would I be able to add new persons myself, or would I have to request
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What would be the use of this group and alias ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Shouldn't most discussions be public, so on a mailing list ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This would be for potential packager apprentices or others to easily
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> contact all members the mentoring coordinator team.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So one of us can respond quickly, mostly to update our packages_mentoring
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wiki page. (Which will be ready in the next few days.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We could also use it to discuss among ourselves, which we now do by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> private email. So it wouldn't be of general interest. We wouldn't want
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> those outside our group responding to messages received, like in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> public mailing list.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (The group might include a few outside our team.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (It could include mentors, but they will see useful info on our wiki
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> page.) A restricted-access mailing list should work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think there's a need for restricted access, and it would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> opposite to the way we try to do everything in the open.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What you need is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1) a way to be contacted directly by those who need (apprentices)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2) a way to discuss within members of the team, but maybe other people too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if some want to join the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For 1), I think your @mageia.org address once you will get one is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sufficient. It's only one means of communication among others (MLs,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> forums, wiki), so I don't think a group is necessarily needed for that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can still forward requests you can't handle yourself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That being said, I have nothing against the use of a group for that, but only
+</I>&gt;<i> as a contact e-mail, not for discussion, or only for sensitive discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> about specific persons.
+</I>
+That was exactly the purpose -- one contact point !
+(Which we can put in various documentation, etc.)
+That way if I'm not available -- on holidays, sick or whatever, I could alert
+the others to ensure a fast response. And they could always help out if they
+wanted.
+And if someone takes my place, it would be a transparent changeover.
+
+Sensitive discussion could happen with the group, but we could use direct
+contact as well.
+(We've been doing a bit in private setting up, but I see that as mostly
+temporary. Other than sensitive issues, I would see it as mostly coordination
+among ourselves.)
+
+Otherwise I would prefer everything in the open.
+(And I'm sure the others would agree.)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> For 2), I don't know what is better :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - use an existing mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - create a new one
+</I>
+mageia-dev seems good. We can just try to limit it to a few threads at a time.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> I think you must try to use direct e-mail among you only when there's a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> good reason to avoid public discussion. Saying that it's not of general
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interest is not a good enough reason, I think. Do you have other reasons
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for wanting a private mailing list ?
+</I>
+Agree totally. No need.
+
+So in summary, it seems that we should have a group for contacts.
+(Say <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pmentoring-coord at group.mageia.org</A> ?)
+And no need to add a mailing list.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Regards :)
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 29 juin 2011 23:27:08, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3) The mentoring coordinator team will monitoring IRC, mailing lists and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> forums, for those interested in becoming a packager.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Those considering becoming packagers will often be hesitant, and we need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> encourage them. So let's try to maintain contact with those who show an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interest. (It looks like we are already off to a good start.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you plan to let people add their names by themselves on the wiki, then you
+</I>&gt;<i> need also to monitor the wiki page for changes (I don't know if the new wiki
+</I>&gt;<i> will allow to send you an e-mail when the page changes).
+</I>
+That was my intention. To verify the page at least every day, and correct any
+format problems, missing info, etc. (Formating can be a bit tricky, although
+I've tried to minimize potential problems.)
+
+Email notification would be nice. Like one gets with bugzilla.
+Also nice if we get contact info on those who changed the page, in case they
+don't enter their email adresse.
+
+&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2011/7/1 Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 1 Jul 2011, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now, it's tough to determine what exactly is making kded4 to eat the CPU.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As I'm having a single core, I'm burned. At the same time, minor changes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that are actually small improvements make me want to stay with 4.6.90, not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to revert to 4.6.4....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One way to figure that out is to attach gdb to it while it's running and
+</I>&gt;<i> then print a backtrace. If you do that several times, you may break in the
+</I>&gt;<i> code that's running a lot. But even if that works it is likely still not
+</I>&gt;<i> easy to figure out what's going on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Other ways to get information would be to strace (or ltrace) this daemon to
+</I>&gt;<i> get an idea what it's trying to do. But CPU usage by the application itself
+</I>&gt;<i> cannot be seen this way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> An easier way to start is to run iotop and check if kded4 is doing any I/O
+</I>&gt;<i> related to this cpu usage.
+</I>
+Did that (after installing all updates up to 07:00 UTC), no signs of
+any I/O activity other than the usual. Still, one of the 4 cores is on
+full load. What strikes me here is:
+ - on a CPU with 1 core, this is fully loaded
+ - on a dual core CPU only 1 core is loaded
+ - on a quadcore CPU only 1 core is loaded.
+
+So, whatever it is, it affects only one CPU core no matter how many
+cores the CPU offers.
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+--
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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+<PRE>On Saturday 02 July 2011 09:45:15 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> Did that (after installing all updates up to 07:00 UTC), no signs of
+</I>&gt;<i> any I/O activity other than the usual. Still, one of the 4 cores is on
+</I>&gt;<i> full load. What strikes me here is:
+</I>&gt;<i> - on a CPU with 1 core, this is fully loaded
+</I>&gt;<i> - on a dual core CPU only 1 core is loaded
+</I>&gt;<i> - on a quadcore CPU only 1 core is loaded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, whatever it is, it affects only one CPU core no matter how many
+</I>&gt;<i> cores the CPU offers.
+</I>Kded is not taking 100% of one core here since the ntrack update.
+Did you try eventually to unload modules from kcmshell4 kcmkded ?
+(especially the Network Status module which should be related to the ntrack
+process)
+
+Regards,
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber ID: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Saturday 02 July 2011 09:45:15 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Did that (after installing all updates up to 07:00 UTC), no signs of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> any I/O activity other than the usual. Still, one of the 4 cores is on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> full load. What strikes me here is:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- on a CPU with 1 core, this is fully loaded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- on a dual core CPU only 1 core is loaded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- on a quadcore CPU only 1 core is loaded.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, whatever it is, it affects only one CPU core no matter how many
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cores the CPU offers.
+</I>&gt;<i> Kded is not taking 100% of one core here since the ntrack update.
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you try eventually to unload modules from kcmshell4 kcmkded &#160;?
+</I>&gt;<i> (especially the Network Status module which should be related to the ntrack
+</I>&gt;<i> process)
+</I>
+No, I did not alter anything. ATM I do not work with Cauldron, I only
+do the updates and watch.
+Except for such special cases, where I do something to give output to you :)
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+I'm using gkrellm as &quot;rough&quot; information, so I know that in my i3 CPU
+only one core is affected (which changes from one core to another
+occasionally)
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+As kmail crashes right at the start (reproducible) and takes the whole
+kontact down with it, I couldn't use the system anyway.
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+how can it be that there are bad rpm's in Cauldron? Sure it is a
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+I can remember 2 examples of packages which failed:
+lib64kworkspace4 (4.6.90)
+lib64ktaskmanager
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+Or are there error's while downloading the packages??
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+<PRE>&#22312; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:07:26 +0800, Daniel Kreuter
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i> Hello guys,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> how can it be that there are bad rpm's in Cauldron? Sure it is a
+</I>&gt;<i> development build but shouldn't the rpm's be clean so that urpmi can
+</I>&gt;<i> install them?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can remember 2 examples of packages which failed:
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64kworkspace4 (4.6.90)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64ktaskmanager
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or are there error's while downloading the packages??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> D. Kreuter
+</I>Error message? What did urpmi tell you?
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+&gt;<i> &#22312; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:07:26 +0800, Daniel Kreuter
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello guys,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> how can it be that there are bad rpm's in Cauldron? Sure it is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> development build but shouldn't the rpm's be clean so that urpmi can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install them?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can remember 2 examples of packages which failed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64kworkspace4 (4.6.90)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64ktaskmanager
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or are there error's while downloading the packages??
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> D. Kreuter
+</I>&gt;<i> Error message? What did urpmi tell you?
+</I>
+That this are bad rpm's and he failed to install them.
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+&gt;<i> Am 07/02/2011 11:12 AM, schrieb Kira:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#22312; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:07:26 +0800, Daniel Kreuter
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello guys,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> how can it be that there are bad rpm's in Cauldron? Sure it is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> development build but shouldn't the rpm's be clean so that urpmi can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> install them?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I can remember 2 examples of packages which failed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64kworkspace4 (4.6.90)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64ktaskmanager
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Or are there error's while downloading the packages??
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> D. Kreuter
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Error message? What did urpmi tell you?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That this are bad rpm's and he failed to install them.
+</I>
+Could you pls give the exact error message, not your interpretation?
+If the error message was really &quot;This is a bad rpm I can not install
+it&quot; then I heve not seen such a message before as long as I am using
+*rpm*
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/2 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 07/02/2011 11:12 AM, schrieb Kira:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#22312; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:07:26 +0800, Daniel Kreuter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello guys,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> how can it be that there are bad rpm's in Cauldron? Sure it is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> development build but shouldn't the rpm's be clean so that urpmi can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> install them?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I can remember 2 examples of packages which failed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64kworkspace4 (4.6.90)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64ktaskmanager
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Or are there error's while downloading the packages??
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> D. Kreuter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Error message? What did urpmi tell you?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That this are bad rpm's and he failed to install them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you pls give the exact error message, not your interpretation?
+</I>&gt;<i> If the error message was really &quot;This is a bad rpm I can not install
+</I>&gt;<i> it&quot; then I heve not seen such a message before as long as I am using
+</I>&gt;<i> *rpm*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://pastebin.com/tTHmMz7b">http://pastebin.com/tTHmMz7b</A>
+
+--
+Mit freundlichen Gr&#252;&#223;en
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+Greetings
+
+Daniel Kreuter
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 2 July 2011 11:39, Daniel Kreuter &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/2 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 07/02/2011 11:12 AM, schrieb Kira:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#22312; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:07:26 +0800, Daniel Kreuter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello guys,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> how can it be that there are bad rpm's in Cauldron? Sure it is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> development build but shouldn't the rpm's be clean so that urpmi can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> install them?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I can remember 2 examples of packages which failed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64kworkspace4 (4.6.90)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64ktaskmanager
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Or are there error's while downloading the packages??
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> D. Kreuter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Error message? What did urpmi tell you?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That this are bad rpm's and he failed to install them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could you pls give the exact error message, not your interpretation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If the error message was really &quot;This is a bad rpm I can not install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it&quot; then I heve not seen such a message before as long as I am using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> *rpm*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pastebin.com/tTHmMz7b">http://pastebin.com/tTHmMz7b</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Mit freundlichen Gr&#252;&#223;en
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Daniel Kreuter
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Looks like a bad download, clear the cache:
+rm -fv /var/cache/urpmi/partial/{lib64taskmanager4,lib64kephal4}*
+
+then try again, urpmi will download them afresh.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 2 July 2011 11:39, Daniel Kreuter &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/2 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 07/02/2011 11:12 AM, schrieb Kira:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#22312; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:07:26 +0800, Daniel Kreuter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello guys,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> how can it be that there are bad rpm's in Cauldron? Sure it is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> development build but shouldn't the rpm's be clean so that urpmi can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> install them?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I can remember 2 examples of packages which failed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64kworkspace4 (4.6.90)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64ktaskmanager
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Or are there error's while downloading the packages??
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> D. Kreuter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Error message? What did urpmi tell you?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That this are bad rpm's and he failed to install them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Could you pls give the exact error message, not your interpretation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If the error message was really &quot;This is a bad rpm I can not install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it&quot; then I heve not seen such a message before as long as I am using
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> *rpm*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pastebin.com/tTHmMz7b">http://pastebin.com/tTHmMz7b</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mit freundlichen Gr&#252;&#223;en
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Daniel Kreuter
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks like a bad download, clear the cache:
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -fv /var/cache/urpmi/partial/{lib64taskmanager4,lib64kephal4}*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> then try again, urpmi will download them afresh.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+But before i will wait until urpmi has finished the rest, after that i
+will try to install the new packages.
+
+I also got an error on webkit, he wasn't able to download it can
+someone check that pls (I don't have the version in my mind)?
+
+--
+Mit freundlichen Gr&#252;&#223;en
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+Greetings
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+Daniel Kreuter
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20Cauldron%3A%20Bad%20RPM%27s%20while%20update%20via%20urpmi&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTim4rrwtp_mFf0RjTQYG4he%2BLvaAxA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>On 2 July 2011 11:47, Daniel Kreuter &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But before i will wait until urpmi has finished the rest, after that i
+</I>&gt;<i> will try to install the new packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also got an error on webkit, he wasn't able to download it can
+</I>&gt;<i> someone check that pls (I don't have the version in my mind)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Mit freundlichen Gr&#252;&#223;en
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Daniel Kreuter
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Without the exact error message we can't guess...
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+<PRE>&#22312; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:47:13 +0800, Daniel Kreuter
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+</I>&gt;<i> But before i will wait until urpmi has finished the rest, after that i
+</I>&gt;<i> will try to install the new packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also got an error on webkit, he wasn't able to download it can
+</I>&gt;<i> someone check that pls (I don't have the version in my mind)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Be patient, maybe the mirror you are using is still syncing....
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+<PRE>Hey,
+
+i'm having some trouble with adding get-skype into backports_testing. blino told me to cp
+get-skype into updates/1 as i can't submit it from cauldron. So i did. But now i get another
+error:
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+svn: URL 'svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/updates/1/get-skype/current/SOURCES">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/updates/1/get-skype/current/SOURCES</A>' doesn't
+exist
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+And this time i have no idea what to do. get-skype has no binary sources, so i have noting
+to upload either.
+
+Any help?
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+--
+Sander
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+<PRE>2011/7/2 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/2 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 07/02/2011 11:12 AM, schrieb Kira:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#22312; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:07:26 +0800, Daniel Kreuter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello guys,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> how can it be that there are bad rpm's in Cauldron? Sure it is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> development build but shouldn't the rpm's be clean so that urpmi can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> install them?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I can remember 2 examples of packages which failed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64kworkspace4 (4.6.90)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64ktaskmanager
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Or are there error's while downloading the packages??
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> D. Kreuter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Error message? What did urpmi tell you?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That this are bad rpm's and he failed to install them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could you pls give the exact error message, not your interpretation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If the error message was really &quot;This is a bad rpm I can not install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it&quot; then I heve not seen such a message before as long as I am using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> *rpm*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pastebin.com/tTHmMz7b">http://pastebin.com/tTHmMz7b</A>
+</I>
+This explains it!
+Change the mirror, you are using ibiblio which has been reported
+numerous times in the forum and the mailing lists to be syncing very
+badly.
+If you are located in north america, use mirrors.kernel.org which is
+fast and reliable.
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+--
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 02 juli 2011 12:00:27 schreef Sander Lepik:
+&gt;<i> Hey,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm having some trouble with adding get-skype into backports_testing. blino
+</I>&gt;<i> told me to cp get-skype into updates/1 as i can't submit it from cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> So i did. But now i get another error:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> svn: URL
+</I>&gt;<i> 'svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/updates/1/get-skype/current/SOURCES">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/updates/1/get-skype/current/SOURCES</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ' doesn't exist
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And this time i have no idea what to do. get-skype has no binary sources,
+</I>&gt;<i> so i have noting to upload either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any help?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>
+perhaps &quot;svn mkdir svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/updates/1/get-">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/updates/1/get-</A>
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/2 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/2 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 07/02/2011 11:12 AM, schrieb Kira:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#22312; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:07:26 +0800, Daniel Kreuter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello guys,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> how can it be that there are bad rpm's in Cauldron? Sure it is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> development build but shouldn't the rpm's be clean so that urpmi can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> install them?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I can remember 2 examples of packages which failed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64kworkspace4 (4.6.90)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64ktaskmanager
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Or are there error's while downloading the packages??
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> D. Kreuter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Error message? What did urpmi tell you?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That this are bad rpm's and he failed to install them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Could you pls give the exact error message, not your interpretation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If the error message was really &quot;This is a bad rpm I can not install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it&quot; then I heve not seen such a message before as long as I am using
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> *rpm*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pastebin.com/tTHmMz7b">http://pastebin.com/tTHmMz7b</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This explains it!
+</I>&gt;<i> Change the mirror, you are using ibiblio which has been reported
+</I>&gt;<i> numerous times in the forum and the mailing lists to be syncing very
+</I>&gt;<i> badly.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are located in north america, use mirrors.kernel.org which is
+</I>&gt;<i> fast and reliable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'm located in Germany, but maybe it's because i didn't choose my
+location during install??
+
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+--
+Mit freundlichen Gr&#252;&#223;en
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+Greetings
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+<PRE>2011/7/2 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/2 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/2 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 07/02/2011 11:12 AM, schrieb Kira:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#22312; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:07:26 +0800, Daniel Kreuter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello guys,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> how can it be that there are bad rpm's in Cauldron? Sure it is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> development build but shouldn't the rpm's be clean so that urpmi can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> install them?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I can remember 2 examples of packages which failed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64kworkspace4 (4.6.90)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64ktaskmanager
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Or are there error's while downloading the packages??
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> D. Kreuter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Error message? What did urpmi tell you?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That this are bad rpm's and he failed to install them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Could you pls give the exact error message, not your interpretation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If the error message was really &quot;This is a bad rpm I can not install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it&quot; then I heve not seen such a message before as long as I am using
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> *rpm*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pastebin.com/tTHmMz7b">http://pastebin.com/tTHmMz7b</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This explains it!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Change the mirror, you are using ibiblio which has been reported
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> numerous times in the forum and the mailing lists to be syncing very
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> badly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you are located in north america, use mirrors.kernel.org which is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fast and reliable.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm located in Germany, but maybe it's because i didn't choose my
+</I>&gt;<i> location during install??
+</I>
+Yes, may be.
+To change the mirror you can also use a dedicated mirror. Go to the
+media manager and remove all entries. Then open (I will use the German
+menue expressions now) &quot;Datei -&gt; Einen bestimmten Speigelserver
+hinzuf&#252;gen&quot; - &quot;Vollst&#228;ndiger Quellensatz&quot;.
+This will give you a list with mirrors in geographical order, you may
+select a German mirror like ftp.mandrivauser.de which syncs every 2
+hours with distrib-coffee.
+--
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+<PRE>On 02.07.2011 13:00, Sander Lepik wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> i'm having some trouble with adding get-skype into backports_testing. blino told me to cp
+</I>&gt;<i> get-skype into updates/1 as i can't submit it from cauldron. So i did.
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+<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> This explains it!
+</I>&gt;<i> Change the mirror, you are using ibiblio which has been reported
+</I>&gt;<i> numerous times in the forum and the mailing lists to be syncing very
+</I>&gt;<i> badly.
+</I>
+I don't know about badly, but I found it to be a little bit behind.
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+&gt;<i> If you are located in north america, use mirrors.kernel.org which is
+</I>&gt;<i> fast and reliable.
+</I>
+Has anyone had success using rsync with mirrors.kernel.org? When I tried it, the path to mageia kept toggling between mirrors/pub/mageia and
+mirrors/pub/pub/mageia every time I used it. It's like it's behind a load balancer where one of the machines behind it has the wrong rsync
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2011/7/2 David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This explains it!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Change the mirror, you are using ibiblio which has been reported
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> numerous times in the forum and the mailing lists to be syncing very
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> badly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know about badly, but I found it to be a little bit behind.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you are located in north america, use mirrors.kernel.org which is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fast and reliable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Has anyone had success using rsync with mirrors.kernel.org? &#160;When I tried it, the path to mageia kept toggling between mirrors/pub/mageia and
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrors/pub/pub/mageia every time I used it. &#160;It's like it's behind a load balancer where one of the machines behind it has the wrong rsync
+</I>&gt;<i> path configured.
+</I>
+Well I could not say about rsync (I'm syncing my mirror in Germany
+with distrib-coffee in France) but I tried mirrors.kernel.org with my
+Mageia system at home and even from here across the ocean I received
+all updates (Cauldron) with my maximum speed (32MBit/s download). So
+the mirror seems to be quite good and recommendable.
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+--
+wobo
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+Now i have a better one and everything went well.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Please do not add new proposals on that page as it's coming after
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; deadline. We will put priority on current one. A new wiki page will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; collect more ideas here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> (thanks Stormi)
+</I>
+I started filling out some of the bug reports and provided some extra info.
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+PS: I note that i didn't see the original email on mageia-dev ML; only on
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+<PRE>David Walser a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This explains it!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Change the mirror, you are using ibiblio which has been reported
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> numerous times in the forum and the mailing lists to be syncing very
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> badly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know about badly, but I found it to be a little bit behind.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you are located in north america, use mirrors.kernel.org which is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fast and reliable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Has anyone had success using rsync with mirrors.kernel.org? When I tried it, the path to mageia kept toggling between mirrors/pub/mageia and
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrors/pub/pub/mageia every time I used it. It's like it's behind a load balancer where one of the machines behind it has the wrong rsync
+</I>&gt;<i> path configured.
+</I>
+I just checked. I think that they haven't finished setting up the mirror.
+- They don't list Mageia in the sites they mirror.
+- Mageia's ftp and html links for them don't work.
+- It is the only rsync mirror in Mageia's list that doesn't list their bandwidth
+nor their source.
+
+You could try mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br (in Brazil), which is one of the faster rsync
+mirrors.
+My mirror in Canada uses it.
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>On 2 July 2011 18:05, andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> David Walser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This explains it!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Change the mirror, you are using ibiblio which has been reported
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> numerous times in the forum and the mailing lists to be syncing very
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> badly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know about badly, but I found it to be a little bit behind.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you are located in north america, use mirrors.kernel.org which is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fast and reliable.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Has anyone had success using rsync with mirrors.kernel.org? &#160;When I tried
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it, the path to mageia kept toggling between mirrors/pub/mageia and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mirrors/pub/pub/mageia every time I used it. &#160;It's like it's behind a load
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> balancer where one of the machines behind it has the wrong rsync
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> path configured.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just checked. &#160;I think that they haven't finished setting up the mirror.
+</I>&gt;<i> - They don't list Mageia in the sites they mirror.
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mageia's ftp and html links for them don't work.
+</I>&gt;<i> - It is the only rsync mirror in Mageia's list that doesn't list their
+</I>&gt;<i> bandwidth nor their source.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+<A HREF="ftp://mirrors.kernel.org">ftp://mirrors.kernel.org</A> has been working fine here for ~1 month now.
+
+&gt;<i> You could try mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br (in Brazil), which is one of the faster
+</I>&gt;<i> rsync mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i> My mirror in Canada uses it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
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+<PRE>I just update my wifes mandriva PC. One of the problems are these few
+packages:
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+# urpmi --auto-update
+medium &quot;MageiMain&quot; is up-to-date
+medium &quot;MageiMain_Erlangen&quot; is up-to-date
+medium &quot;Core Release (distrib1)&quot; is up-to-date
+medium &quot;Core Updates (distrib3)&quot; is up-to-date
+medium &quot;Nonfree Release (distrib11)&quot; is up-to-date
+medium &quot;Nonfree Updates (distrib13)&quot; is up-to-date
+medium &quot;Tainted Release (distrib21)&quot; is up-to-date
+The following packages can't be installed because they depend on packages
+that are older than the installed ones:
+perl-SVN-1.6.16-5.mga1
+git-svn-1.7.4.4-2.mga1
+git-1.7.4.4-2.mga1
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) y
+Packages are up to date
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+&gt;<i> On 02.07.2011 13:00, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hey,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i'm having some trouble with adding get-skype into backports_testing. blino told me to cp
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> get-skype into updates/1 as i can't submit it from cauldron. So i did.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> updates/1 is meant for updates, not backports.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+But as there was no get-skype for mageia 1 iirc we can push it on
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+<PRE>Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 19:07:17, Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I just update my wifes mandriva PC. One of the problems are these few
+</I>&gt;<i> packages:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-SVN-1.6.16-5.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> git-svn-1.7.4.4-2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> git-1.7.4.4-2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) y
+</I>&gt;<i> Packages are up to date
+</I>
+You have probably backports of those packages...
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+<PRE>Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 2 July 2011 18:05, andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> David Walser a &#233;crit :
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Has anyone had success using rsync with mirrors.kernel.org? When I tried
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it, the path to mageia kept toggling between mirrors/pub/mageia and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mirrors/pub/pub/mageia every time I used it. It's like it's behind a load
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> balancer where one of the machines behind it has the wrong rsync
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> path configured.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just checked. I think that they haven't finished setting up the mirror.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - They don't list Mageia in the sites they mirror.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Mageia's ftp and html links for them don't work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - It is the only rsync mirror in Mageia's list that doesn't list their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bandwidth nor their source.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://mirrors.kernel.org">ftp://mirrors.kernel.org</A> has been working fine here for ~1 month now.
+</I>
+It is up now, but it was down when I tried. And they don't yet list Mageia as a
+site they mirror.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On Saturday, July 02, 2011 11:58:05 am Jos&#233; Jorge wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 19:07:17, Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I just update my wifes mandriva PC. One of the problems are these few
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; perl-SVN-1.6.16-5.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; git-svn-1.7.4.4-2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; git-1.7.4.4-2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) y
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packages are up to date
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You have probably backports of those packages...
+</I>No I didn't. But a had a lot of mdv packages (&gt;100) that were not ugradeed or
+removed/replaced, mostly libs. I have now manually removed 99% of them and now
+they upgraded
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates/1 is meant for updates, not backports.
+</I>Hmm, ok, blino told me that into mga1 you can only submit from updates/1 and not from
+cauldron. So i did :/ And finally i got it submitted to backports_testing.
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But as there was no get-skype for mageia 1 iirc we can push it on
+</I>&gt;<i> testing_updates
+</I>It's probably possible to submit it into updates_testing then.
+
+In general we are lacking how-to for packagers. How to submit update? How to submit
+backport? etc ... I searched wiki but couldn't find.
+
+--
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+The packages-mentoring page has been modified to include sections for packaging
+apprentices.
+As well other parts of the page have been enhanced.
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+Taking into account feedback on those parts of the proposal.
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+Regards :)
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+&gt;<i> I just update my wifes mandriva PC. One of the problems are these few
+</I>&gt;<i> packages:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # urpmi --auto-update
+</I>&gt;<i> medium &quot;MageiMain&quot; is up-to-date
+</I>&gt;<i> medium &quot;MageiMain_Erlangen&quot; is up-to-date
+</I>&gt;<i> medium &quot;Core Release (distrib1)&quot; is up-to-date
+</I>&gt;<i> medium &quot;Core Updates (distrib3)&quot; is up-to-date
+</I>&gt;<i> medium &quot;Nonfree Release (distrib11)&quot; is up-to-date
+</I>&gt;<i> medium &quot;Nonfree Updates (distrib13)&quot; is up-to-date
+</I>&gt;<i> medium &quot;Tainted Release (distrib21)&quot; is up-to-date
+</I>&gt;<i> The following packages can't be installed because they depend on packages
+</I>&gt;<i> that are older than the installed ones:
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-SVN-1.6.16-5.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> git-svn-1.7.4.4-2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> git-1.7.4.4-2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) y
+</I>&gt;<i> Packages are up to date
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1700">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1700</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1521">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1521</A>
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+--
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
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+<PRE>In data domenica 3 luglio 2011 02:06:04, andre999 ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Following the proposal for the (packager) mentoring program coordinator,
+</I>&gt;<i> The packages-mentoring page has been modified to include sections for
+</I>&gt;<i> packaging apprentices.
+</I>&gt;<i> As well other parts of the page have been enhanced.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Taking into account feedback on those parts of the proposal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So if anyone is interested in taking a look, I'd welcome any feedback.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards :)
+</I>Just for who are lazy (as I am) is it this one:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring&amp;s[">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring&amp;s[</A>]=mentoring ?
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+Cheers,
+--
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+<PRE>Am 07/03/2011 10:37 AM, schrieb Angelo Naselli:
+&gt;<i> In data domenica 3 luglio 2011 02:06:04, andre999 ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Following the proposal for the (packager) mentoring program coordinator,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The packages-mentoring page has been modified to include sections for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packaging apprentices.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As well other parts of the page have been enhanced.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Taking into account feedback on those parts of the proposal.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So if anyone is interested in taking a look, I'd welcome any feedback.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Just for who are lazy (as I am) is it this one:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring&amp;s[">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring&amp;s[</A>]=mentoring ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>
+@Angelo, yes it's that page.
+
+@Andre In the Packagers Apprentices table you put the timezone/languages
+in one column. Can we put it into 2 so it is easier to read? Same to the
+Mentoring Team table.
+
+And every Mentor should update that table with missing information, f.e.
+the languages he speaks (I can only see the language of dlucio) but this
+depends on the Mentor if he wants to mentor in other languages than english.
+
+The rest is ok i think.
+
+Greetings
+
+D. Kreuter
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 03:02:24, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 01:07:00, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 22:49:29, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Would something like <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">coord at pmentoring.mageia.org</A> be Ok ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; No, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A> with foo replaced by the group name.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Presumably I would manage the group, which would include at least
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; magnus + Daniel. So who should I talk to about setting it up ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Would I be able to add new persons myself, or would I have to request
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; What would be the use of this group and alias ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Shouldn't most discussions be public, so on a mailing list ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; This would be for potential packager apprentices or others to easily
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; contact all members the mentoring coordinator team.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; So one of us can respond quickly, mostly to update our
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; packages_mentoring wiki page. (Which will be ready in the next few
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; days.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; We could also use it to discuss among ourselves, which we now do by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; private email. So it wouldn't be of general interest. We wouldn't want
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; those outside our group responding to messages received, like in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; public mailing list.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; (The group might include a few outside our team.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; (It could include mentors, but they will see useful info on our wiki
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; page.) A restricted-access mailing list should work.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't think there's a need for restricted access, and it would be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; opposite to the way we try to do everything in the open.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; What you need is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1) a way to be contacted directly by those who need (apprentices)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2) a way to discuss within members of the team, but maybe other people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; too if some want to join the discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For 1), I think your @mageia.org address once you will get one is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; sufficient. It's only one means of communication among others (MLs,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; forums, wiki), so I don't think a group is necessarily needed for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; You can still forward requests you can't handle yourself.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That being said, I have nothing against the use of a group for that, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; only as a contact e-mail, not for discussion, or only for sensitive
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; discussion about specific persons.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That was exactly the purpose -- one contact point !
+</I>&gt;<i> (Which we can put in various documentation, etc.)
+</I>&gt;<i> That way if I'm not available -- on holidays, sick or whatever, I could
+</I>&gt;<i> alert the others to ensure a fast response. And they could always help
+</I>&gt;<i> out if they wanted.
+</I>&gt;<i> And if someone takes my place, it would be a transparent changeover.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sensitive discussion could happen with the group, but we could use direct
+</I>&gt;<i> contact as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> (We've been doing a bit in private setting up, but I see that as mostly
+</I>&gt;<i> temporary. Other than sensitive issues, I would see it as mostly
+</I>&gt;<i> coordination among ourselves.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Otherwise I would prefer everything in the open.
+</I>&gt;<i> (And I'm sure the others would agree.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For 2), I don't know what is better :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - use an existing mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - create a new one
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-dev seems good. We can just try to limit it to a few threads at a
+</I>&gt;<i> time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I think you must try to use direct e-mail among you only when there's a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; good reason to avoid public discussion. Saying that it's not of general
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; interest is not a good enough reason, I think. Do you have other reasons
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; for wanting a private mailing list ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agree totally. No need.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So in summary, it seems that we should have a group for contacts.
+</I>&gt;<i> (Say <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pmentoring-coord at group.mageia.org</A> ?)
+</I>&gt;<i> And no need to add a mailing list.
+</I>
+This e-mail seems complicated. What about <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">packager-mentoring at group.mageia.org</A>
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+ <B>Daniel Kreuter</B>
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+<PRE>Am 07/03/2011 12:23 PM, schrieb Samuel Verschelde:
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 03:02:24, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 01:07:00, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 22:49:29, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Would something like <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">coord at pmentoring.mageia.org</A> be Ok ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A> with foo replaced by the group name.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Presumably I would manage the group, which would include at least
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> magnus + Daniel. So who should I talk to about setting it up ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Would I be able to add new persons myself, or would I have to request
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What would be the use of this group and alias ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Shouldn't most discussions be public, so on a mailing list ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This would be for potential packager apprentices or others to easily
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> contact all members the mentoring coordinator team.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So one of us can respond quickly, mostly to update our
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages_mentoring wiki page. (Which will be ready in the next few
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> days.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We could also use it to discuss among ourselves, which we now do by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> private email. So it wouldn't be of general interest. We wouldn't want
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> those outside our group responding to messages received, like in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> public mailing list.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (The group might include a few outside our team.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (It could include mentors, but they will see useful info on our wiki
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> page.) A restricted-access mailing list should work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think there's a need for restricted access, and it would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> opposite to the way we try to do everything in the open.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What you need is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1) a way to be contacted directly by those who need (apprentices)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2) a way to discuss within members of the team, but maybe other people
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> too if some want to join the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For 1), I think your @mageia.org address once you will get one is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sufficient. It's only one means of communication among others (MLs,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> forums, wiki), so I don't think a group is necessarily needed for that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You can still forward requests you can't handle yourself.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That being said, I have nothing against the use of a group for that, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> only as a contact e-mail, not for discussion, or only for sensitive
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> discussion about specific persons.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That was exactly the purpose -- one contact point !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Which we can put in various documentation, etc.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That way if I'm not available -- on holidays, sick or whatever, I could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alert the others to ensure a fast response. And they could always help
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> out if they wanted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And if someone takes my place, it would be a transparent changeover.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sensitive discussion could happen with the group, but we could use direct
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contact as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (We've been doing a bit in private setting up, but I see that as mostly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> temporary. Other than sensitive issues, I would see it as mostly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> coordination among ourselves.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Otherwise I would prefer everything in the open.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (And I'm sure the others would agree.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For 2), I don't know what is better :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - use an existing mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - create a new one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia-dev seems good. We can just try to limit it to a few threads at a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think you must try to use direct e-mail among you only when there's a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> good reason to avoid public discussion. Saying that it's not of general
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> interest is not a good enough reason, I think. Do you have other reasons
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for wanting a private mailing list ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Agree totally. No need.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So in summary, it seems that we should have a group for contacts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Say <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pmentoring-coord at group.mageia.org</A> ?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And no need to add a mailing list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This e-mail seems complicated. What about <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">packager-mentoring at group.mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>Sounds better.
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+<PRE>Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 03:02:24, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 01:07:00, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 22:49:29, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Would something like <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">coord at pmentoring.mageia.org</A> be Ok ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A> with foo replaced by the group name.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Presumably I would manage the group, which would include at least
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> magnus + Daniel. So who should I talk to about setting it up ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Would I be able to add new persons myself, or would I have to request
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What would be the use of this group and alias ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Shouldn't most discussions be public, so on a mailing list ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This would be for potential packager apprentices or others to easily
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> contact all members the mentoring coordinator team.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So one of us can respond quickly, mostly to update our
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages_mentoring wiki page. (Which will be ready in the next few
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> days.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We could also use it to discuss among ourselves, which we now do by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> private email. So it wouldn't be of general interest. We wouldn't want
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> those outside our group responding to messages received, like in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> public mailing list.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (The group might include a few outside our team.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (It could include mentors, but they will see useful info on our wiki
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> page.) A restricted-access mailing list should work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think there's a need for restricted access, and it would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> opposite to the way we try to do everything in the open.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What you need is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1) a way to be contacted directly by those who need (apprentices)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2) a way to discuss within members of the team, but maybe other people
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> too if some want to join the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For 1), I think your @mageia.org address once you will get one is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sufficient. It's only one means of communication among others (MLs,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> forums, wiki), so I don't think a group is necessarily needed for that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You can still forward requests you can't handle yourself.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That being said, I have nothing against the use of a group for that, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> only as a contact e-mail, not for discussion, or only for sensitive
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> discussion about specific persons.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That was exactly the purpose -- one contact point !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Which we can put in various documentation, etc.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That way if I'm not available -- on holidays, sick or whatever, I could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alert the others to ensure a fast response. And they could always help
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> out if they wanted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And if someone takes my place, it would be a transparent changeover.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sensitive discussion could happen with the group, but we could use direct
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contact as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (We've been doing a bit in private setting up, but I see that as mostly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> temporary. Other than sensitive issues, I would see it as mostly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> coordination among ourselves.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Otherwise I would prefer everything in the open.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (And I'm sure the others would agree.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For 2), I don't know what is better :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - use an existing mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - create a new one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia-dev seems good. We can just try to limit it to a few threads at a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think you must try to use direct e-mail among you only when there's a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> good reason to avoid public discussion. Saying that it's not of general
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> interest is not a good enough reason, I think. Do you have other reasons
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for wanting a private mailing list ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Agree totally. No need.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So in summary, it seems that we should have a group for contacts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Say <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pmentoring-coord at group.mageia.org</A> ?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And no need to add a mailing list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This e-mail seems complicated. What about <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">packager-mentoring at group.mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+OK :)
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+John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm going to push today KDE SC 4.7 RC1 on cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> Most of packages are ready except in fact some kdebindings related one, but
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm quite busy so i'll (or someone else funda maybe ) fix it later.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please note that KDEPIM SC 4.7 is now back in train so you might expect some
+</I>&gt;<i> problem :
+</I>&gt;<i> - it is know akonadi based (so i guess Radu is going to check for another MUA
+</I>&gt;<i> )
+</I>&gt;<i> - the migration can takes a lof of times ( here it takes 5 minutes for 2 DIMAP
+</I>&gt;<i> accounts however i had to wait 30 minutes before getting all my mails really
+</I>&gt;<i> available)
+</I>&gt;<i> - it's slower than kmail 1.x
+</I>&gt;<i> - it seems that kdepim translation are not included in current kde-l10n
+</I>&gt;<i> tarball
+</I>
+I found the KMail from the new KDEPIM unusable, and so switched to Claws-Mail.
+Claws-Mail is not perfect, but at least it works, it is fast, and it is usable.
+For some help with converting from KMail to it see:
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+<A HREF="https://bitbucket.org/shlomif/convert-away-from-kmail">https://bitbucket.org/shlomif/convert-away-from-kmail</A>
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+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+<PRE>Daniel Kreuter a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 07/03/2011 10:37 AM, schrieb Angelo Naselli:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In data domenica 3 luglio 2011 02:06:04, andre999 ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Following the proposal for the (packager) mentoring program coordinator,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The packages-mentoring page has been modified to include sections for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packaging apprentices.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As well other parts of the page have been enhanced.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Taking into account feedback on those parts of the proposal.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So if anyone is interested in taking a look, I'd welcome any feedback.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just for who are lazy (as I am) is it this one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring&amp;s[">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring&amp;s[</A>]=mentoring ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> @Angelo, yes it's that page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> @Andre In the Packagers Apprentices table you put the timezone/languages
+</I>&gt;<i> in one column. Can we put it into 2 so it is easier to read? Same to the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mentoring Team table.
+</I>
+I did that to save width, since the field to the right will tend to have a
+number of lines. There is now an entry in the apprentices table that tends to
+demonstrate the point. (most users will have more details in the
+interests/skills/comments column, rather than a link -- which in this case
+seems appropriate.)
+Note that the languages field will be empty in most cases - but is sometimes
+very useful.
+Why don't we wait a little to see a few other entries ?
+
+The same applies to the mentoring team table. (I've already emailed them
+directly about it as well.)
+
+&gt;<i> And every Mentor should update that table with missing information, f.e.
+</I>&gt;<i> the languages he speaks (I can only see the language of dlucio) but this
+</I>&gt;<i> depends on the Mentor if he wants to mentor in other languages than
+</I>&gt;<i> english.
+</I>
+He was the only one that has already indicated other languages.
+If they only want to mentor in English, they can leave it blank.
+(There is a description of the fields just below each table.)
+I transferred some info from the initial packagers table.
+
+&gt;<i> The rest is ok i think.
+</I>
+Thanks for the feedback :)
+
+&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> D. Kreuter
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> In data domenica 3 luglio 2011 02:06:04, andre999 ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Following the proposal for the (packager) mentoring program coordinator,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The packages-mentoring page has been modified to include sections for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packaging apprentices.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As well other parts of the page have been enhanced.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Taking into account feedback on those parts of the proposal.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So if anyone is interested in taking a look, I'd welcome any feedback.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Just for who are lazy (as I am) is it this one:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring&amp;s[">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring&amp;s[</A>]=mentoring ?
+</I>
+That's the page. The &quot;mentoring team&quot; and &quot;mentoring in progress&quot; tables are
+your info.
+The &quot;packager apprentices table&quot; is for new apprentices that you might want to
+take on.
+Any feedback on the whole page will be appreciated.
+
+We're all lazy, in our own way.
+My role is just to help you out in your important job :)
+
+&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>
+Regards
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+<PRE>andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In data domenica 3 luglio 2011 02:06:04, andre999 ha scritto:
+</I>
+[...]
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Just for who are lazy (as I am) is it this one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring&amp;s[">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring&amp;s[</A>]=mentoring ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's the page. The &quot;mentoring team&quot; and &quot;mentoring in progress&quot; tables
+</I>&gt;<i> are your info.
+</I>&gt;<i> The &quot;packager apprentices table&quot; is for new apprentices that you might
+</I>&gt;<i> want to take on.
+</I>&gt;<i> Any feedback on the whole page will be appreciated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We're all lazy, in our own way.
+</I>&gt;<i> My role is just to help you out in your important job :)
+</I>
+Sorry, I thought you were one of the mentors.
+But you would be welcome to volunteer :)
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
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+&gt;<i> Sorry, I thought you were one of the mentors.
+</I>Well indeed i am, i'm mentoring stblack :)
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+ <B>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU</B>
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+<PRE>It looks like the kded4 high-CPU is _not_ related to any of the following modules:
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+bluedevil
+desktopnotifier
+device_automounter
+dnssdwatcher
+favicons
+freespacenotifier
+keyboard
+khotkeys
+kmixd
+ksvnd
+ktimezoned
+kwrited
+networkstatus
+obexftpdaemon
+powerdevil
+randrmonitor
+remotedirnotify
+solidautoeject
+statusnotifierwatcher
+
+I have used &quot;qdbus org.kde.kded /kded unloadModule&quot; to unload, one by one, each and every module, until &quot;qdbus org.kde.kded /kded loadedModules&quot; listed nothing.
+
+So even with no loaded module, kded4 is taking too much CPU.
+
+Is kded4 broken? How come there is no upstream report about kded4's high CPU usage?
+
+I started to lose my confidence in the IQ of the Linux users...
+
+R-C aka beranger
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+<PRE>Op zondag 03 juli 2011 21:40:53 schreef Radu-Cristian FOTESCU:
+[..]
+&gt;<i> I started to lose my confidence in the IQ of the Linux users...
+</I>
+really? the &quot;users&quot;? i wonder what those &quot;users&quot; IQ have to do with KDE4
+taking too much CPU?
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+perhaps most users don't even care? with their quad and hexa-cored monsters...
+
+get your priorities straight, man; you sound like you're the single most
+important person in the universe, it pisses me off...
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+&gt;<i>________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i>really? the &quot;users&quot;? i wonder what those &quot;users&quot; IQ have to do with KDE4
+</I>&gt;<i>taking too much CPU?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>The same users who are reaching the climax each and every time KDE releases a RC, yet they don't bother
+</I>
+(1) to understand what they're running;
+(2) to report a bug.
+
+
+perhaps most users don't even care? with their quad and hexa-cored monsters...
+&gt;<i>Therefore, they're stupid. They should be using OS X or smth.
+</I>
+
+get your priorities straight, man; you sound like you're the single most
+&gt;<i>important person in the universe, it pisses me off...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>The feeling is mutual. OTOH, this has nothing to do with the importance of anyone, but rather to release totally untested software. Judging by the totality of the bug reports collected by different distros since KDE 4.0, I'm afraid kded4 is one of the most unreliable (yet crucial) component of KDE4. Which, one more time, makes me question the judgment of some people (like aseigo).
+</I>
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+<PRE>Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, I thought you were one of the mentors.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well indeed i am, i'm mentoring stblack :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>great, I've added you to the tables :)
+and your apprentice, too (in the Mentoring in progress table)
+You can take a look.
+
+To better complete the tables :
+For yourself
+- would you be interested in mentoring (partly) in another language (Italian ?)
+- how many apprentices would you be interested in taking on at a time (now)
+(you can say maybe)
+- would you like to focus on mentoring for a particular type of package ?
+
+For your apprentice, under progress/comments I put &quot;in progress&quot;
+
+It would probably a good idea if he lists his info as a (intended) packager in
+the packaging team table in the wiki at packaging#packaging_team. (email, time
+zone, skills, etc.)
+
+I you like, you can email me any info you would like added/changed, or add it
+yourself.
+I could do the same for your apprentice in the packaging team table, too.
+
+Good luck with your apprentice :)
+--
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+ <B>Renaud MICHEL</B>
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+<PRE>On dimanche 03 juillet 2011 at 21:40, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote :
+&gt;<i> I have used &quot;qdbus org.kde.kded /kded unloadModule&quot; to unload, one by
+</I>&gt;<i> one, each and every module, until &quot;qdbus org.kde.kded /kded
+</I>&gt;<i> loadedModules&quot; listed nothing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So even with no loaded module, kded4 is taking too much CPU.
+</I>
+You should do it the other way, because if one of the modules entered en
+infinite loop (which is likely if you have one core at 100% with no IO) it
+is likely that it won't unload properly. It may not be in kded's list
+anymore, but still running loose in his thread.
+
+So you should disable all kded modules (from systemsettings), then log off
+(or even restart to be sure no process is left running) then log back on. If
+you still get high CPU from kded then ths problem is in kded itself, if not
+you can start loading the modules one by one (waiting long enough between
+each) to identify which one will start eating the CPU.
+
+--
+Renaud Michel
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+Il 08/06/2011 11:20, Angelo Naselli ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hi Matteo,
+</I>&gt;<i> can you please answer to mailing list instead to the sender,
+</I>&gt;<i> other people can hardly follow the thread otherwise :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i> Angelo
+</I>
+I've not read this email till now, I'm sorry Angelo. I'm using the
+thunderbird's function &quot;reply to the mailing list&quot; so I don't understand
+what's the problem. Maybe sometimes I've pressed &quot;Reply to all&quot;?
+However, let me know if it still happens so I can verify what I'm doing
+wrong.
+
+I've done other tests to learn the art of packaging and these[1] are the
+results. Does anyone can take a look and tell me how they could be improved?
+
+Thank you all guys
+
+[1] axel, ardesia and kaptain at <A HREF="http://www.mageia.it/rpms/">http://www.mageia.it/rpms/</A>
+(there are monodevelop packages that are not built properly, you can
+ignore them, if you want)
+
+- --
+Matteo
+
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+ <B>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i>So you should disable all kded modules (from systemsettings), then log off
+</I>&gt;<i>(or even restart to be sure no process is left running) then log back on. If
+</I>&gt;<i>you still get high CPU from kded then ths problem is in kded itself, if not
+</I>&gt;<i>you can start loading the modules one by one (waiting long enough between
+</I>&gt;<i>each) to identify which one will start eating the CPU.
+</I>
+
+I did that.
+
+Unfortunately, I cannot stop from the KDE Services Configuration dialog:
+favicons
+
+Also, no matter I have disabled _all_ the Startup Services in KDE, the following are automatically started:
+networkstatus
+desktopnotifier
+ktimezoned
+
+So these are the 4 services whose modules I can only unload using qdbus.
+
+But if I unload them and kill kded4, not only I can't find ant process whose name suggests that any of them would be running, but also the CPU usage drops to 2-3%.
+
+
+Restarting kded4 automatically loads networkstatus... and the CPU goes mad!
+
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+Is networkstatus the culprit?
+
+
+R-C aka beranger
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 01 juillet 2011 &#224; 16:08 -0400, Vincent a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I've updated the spec according to some of your comments.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The error I have is:
+</I>&gt;<i> make install-data-hook
+</I>&gt;<i> make[4]: Entering directory `/home/user/rpmbuild/BUILD/ZoneMinder-1.24.4/web'
+</I>&gt;<i> ( cd /home/user/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/ZoneMinder-1.24.4-1.mga1.x86_64/var/www/ZoneMinder;
+</I>&gt;<i> chown apache:apache index.php )
+</I>&gt;<i> chown: changing ownership of `index.php': Operation not permitted
+</I>
+I guess you need to comment the command in the makefile. In fact, if
+this is the only thing done by make install-data-hook, just do not run
+the command.
+
+&gt;<i> Should I be root to run rpmbuild??
+</I>
+This is usually regarded as a bad practice. And if a rpm requires root
+privilege to be built it will no go far on our build system.
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+ <B>Damien Lallement</B>
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+<PRE>Le 02/07/2011 20:27, Dexter Morgan a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Anssi Hannula&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 02.07.2011 13:00, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hey,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i'm having some trouble with adding get-skype into backports_testing. blino told me to cp
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get-skype into updates/1 as i can't submit it from cauldron. So i did.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates/1 is meant for updates, not backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But as there was no get-skype for mageia 1 iirc we can push it on
+</I>&gt;<i> testing_updates
+</I>
+Not sur it will be good... All the non present packages in Mageia 1 I
+added after a bug request were added to backports_testing (as asked by
+boklm and you dmorgan ;)).
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+Damien Lallement
+Treasurer of Mageia.Org
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+twitter: damsweb - IRC: damsweb/coincoin
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+<PRE>andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Daniel Kreuter a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;&gt;<i> @Andre In the Packagers Apprentices table you put the timezone/languages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in one column. Can we put it into 2 so it is easier to read? Same to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mentoring Team table.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did that to save width, since the field to the right will tend to have
+</I>&gt;<i> a number of lines. There is now an entry in the apprentices table that
+</I>&gt;<i> tends to demonstrate the point. (most users will have more details in
+</I>&gt;<i> the interests/skills/comments column, rather than a link -- which in
+</I>&gt;<i> this case seems appropriate.)
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that the languages field will be empty in most cases - but is
+</I>&gt;<i> sometimes very useful.
+</I>&gt;<i> Why don't we wait a little to see a few other entries ?
+</I> &gt;
+ &gt; The same applies to the mentoring team table. ...
+ &gt;
+
+I've filled out a little more in the tables, and realise that display width
+isn't the problem I thought it would be.
+
+So I've separate the time zone / languages into 2 columns, as you suggested.
+Thanks again for the feedback :)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> D. Kreuter
+</I>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Is kded4 broken? How come there is no upstream report about kded4's high CPU
+</I>&gt;<i> usage?
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+You did not look very close?
+See <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220047">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220047</A>
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+<PRE>On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 01:07:00, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 22:49:29, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Would something like <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">coord at pmentoring.mageia.org</A> be Ok ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A> with foo replaced by the group name.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Presumably I would manage the group, which would include at least
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> magnus + Daniel. So who should I talk to about setting it up ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Would I be able to add new persons myself, or would I have to request
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What would be the use of this group and alias ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Shouldn't most discussions be public, so on a mailing list ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This would be for potential packager apprentices or others to easily
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> contact all members the mentoring coordinator team.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So one of us can respond quickly, mostly to update our packages_mentoring
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wiki page. (Which will be ready in the next few days.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We could also use it to discuss among ourselves, which we now do by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> private email. So it wouldn't be of general interest. We wouldn't want
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> those outside our group responding to messages received, like in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> public mailing list.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (The group might include a few outside our team.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (It could include mentors, but they will see useful info on our wiki
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> page.) A restricted-access mailing list should work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think there's a need for restricted access, and it would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> opposite to the way we try to do everything in the open.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What you need is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1) a way to be contacted directly by those who need (apprentices)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2) a way to discuss within members of the team, but maybe other people too
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if some want to join the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For 1), I think your @mageia.org address once you will get one is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sufficient. It's only one means of communication among others (MLs,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> forums, wiki), so I don't think a group is necessarily needed for that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You can still forward requests you can't handle yourself.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That being said, I have nothing against the use of a group for that, but only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as a contact e-mail, not for discussion, or only for sensitive discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about specific persons.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That was exactly the purpose -- one contact point !
+</I>&gt;<i> (Which we can put in various documentation, etc.)
+</I>&gt;<i> That way if I'm not available -- on holidays, sick or whatever, I could
+</I>&gt;<i> alert the others to ensure a fast response. And they could always help out
+</I>&gt;<i> if they wanted.
+</I>&gt;<i> And if someone takes my place, it would be a transparent changeover.
+</I>
+A public mailing list could be used as contact point. And would allow
+other people to join the team.
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 02 juli 2011 22:23:09 schreef Damien Lallement:
+&gt;<i> Le 02/07/2011 20:27, Dexter Morgan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Anssi Hannula&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 02.07.2011 13:00, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Hey,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; i'm having some trouble with adding get-skype into backports_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; blino told me to cp get-skype into updates/1 as i can't submit it from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; cauldron. So i did.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; updates/1 is meant for updates, not backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But as there was no get-skype for mageia 1 iirc we can push it on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; testing_updates
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not sur it will be good... All the non present packages in Mageia 1 I
+</I>&gt;<i> added after a bug request were added to backports_testing (as asked by
+</I>&gt;<i> boklm and you dmorgan ;)).
+</I>
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 01:07:00, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>
+[...]
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think there's a need for restricted access, and it would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> opposite to the way we try to do everything in the open.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What you need is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1) a way to be contacted directly by those who need (apprentices)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2) a way to discuss within members of the team, but maybe other people too
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if some want to join the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For 1), I think your @mageia.org address once you will get one is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sufficient. It's only one means of communication among others (MLs,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> forums, wiki), so I don't think a group is necessarily needed for that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You can still forward requests you can't handle yourself.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That being said, I have nothing against the use of a group for that, but only
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as a contact e-mail, not for discussion, or only for sensitive discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> about specific persons.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That was exactly the purpose -- one contact point !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Which we can put in various documentation, etc.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That way if I'm not available -- on holidays, sick or whatever, I could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alert the others to ensure a fast response. And they could always help out
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if they wanted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And if someone takes my place, it would be a transparent changeover.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A public mailing list could be used as contact point. And would allow
+</I>&gt;<i> other people to join the team.
+</I>
+I've been reflecting on that, and I agree.
+- I was mostly worried about interest in packaging being lost in the noise of
+heavy traffic lists like mageia-dev.
+- Any confidential/private communication could be handled by direct mail, as now.
+- A mailing list would be simpler to administer.
+
+If it were used for the actual mentoring process as well, that wouldn't be a
+problem - it's related, and requests to be mentored wouldn't be easily lost.
+
+We had the name <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">packager-mentoring at ...</A> in mind.
+So could we have <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">packager-mentoring at ml.mageia.org</A> ?
+
+Thanks :)
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+Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 22:23:09, Damien Lallement a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 02/07/2011 20:27, Dexter Morgan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Anssi Hannula&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 02.07.2011 13:00, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Hey,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; i'm having some trouble with adding get-skype into backports_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; blino told me to cp get-skype into updates/1 as i can't submit it from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; cauldron. So i did.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; updates/1 is meant for updates, not backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But as there was no get-skype for mageia 1 iirc we can push it on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; testing_updates
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not sur it will be good... All the non present packages in Mageia 1 I
+</I>&gt;<i> added after a bug request were added to backports_testing (as asked by
+</I>&gt;<i> boklm and you dmorgan ;)).
+</I>
+It would be good to clarify the situation because I've got a lot of new
+packages to push to Mageia 1 and I haven't done it yet because I still don't
+know if I must send them to updates_testing (as was agreed as a special case
+for Mageia 1) or backports_testing (seeing that new packages were already sent
+there), seing both being done at the moment, and the discussion about backport
+policy being not finished yet.
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+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 01:07:00, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think there's a need for restricted access, and it would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> opposite to the way we try to do everything in the open.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What you need is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1) a way to be contacted directly by those who need (apprentices)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2) a way to discuss within members of the team, but maybe other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> people too
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if some want to join the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For 1), I think your @mageia.org address once you will get one is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sufficient. It's only one means of communication among others (MLs,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> forums, wiki), so I don't think a group is necessarily needed for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You can still forward requests you can't handle yourself.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That being said, I have nothing against the use of a group for that,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but only
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as a contact e-mail, not for discussion, or only for sensitive
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> about specific persons.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That was exactly the purpose -- one contact point !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (Which we can put in various documentation, etc.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That way if I'm not available -- on holidays, sick or whatever, I could
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> alert the others to ensure a fast response. And they could always
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> help out
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if they wanted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And if someone takes my place, it would be a transparent changeover.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A public mailing list could be used as contact point. And would allow
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other people to join the team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been reflecting on that, and I agree.
+</I>&gt;<i> - I was mostly worried about interest in packaging being lost in the
+</I>&gt;<i> noise of heavy traffic lists like mageia-dev.
+</I>&gt;<i> - Any confidential/private communication could be handled by direct
+</I>&gt;<i> mail, as now.
+</I>&gt;<i> - A mailing list would be simpler to administer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If it were used for the actual mentoring process as well, that wouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> be a problem - it's related, and requests to be mentored wouldn't be
+</I>&gt;<i> easily lost.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We had the name <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">packager-mentoring at ...</A> in mind.
+</I>&gt;<i> So could we have <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">packager-mentoring at ml.mageia.org</A> ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks :)
+</I>
+The ML could also be good as direct input for people who like to
+contribute as packager.
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+As you said in your mail before, the mageia-dev or mageia-discuss ML's
+are very polulated, so the chances of overreading a mail of someone new
+could happen very easy.
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+Having a dedicated ML just for that as entry point for new guys, we can
+abandon that problem and we won't miss someone.
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+&gt;<i> Name : handbrake Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> obgr_seneca &lt;obgr_seneca&gt; 0.9.5-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 102461
+</I>&gt;<i> - added patches for libnotify and dbus-glib-1
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package handbrake
+</I>
+Doesn't this contain faac, which is both nonfree and tainted (yet the
+pkg is in core)?
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+Also, the package downloads source tarballs during %build. Shouldn't
+this be disallowed?
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+<PRE>Le lundi 04 juillet 2011 &#224; 12:42 +0300, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 09.06.2011 17:07, Mageia Team wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : handbrake Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; obgr_seneca &lt;obgr_seneca&gt; 0.9.5-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 102461
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - added patches for libnotify and dbus-glib-1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - imported package handbrake
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doesn't this contain faac, which is both nonfree and tainted (yet the
+</I>&gt;<i> pkg is in core)?
+</I>
+That would be ugly to bundle the library :/
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+&gt;<i> Also, the package downloads source tarballs during %build. Shouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> this be disallowed?
+</I>
+Yes.
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+<PRE>Am 04.07.2011 11:42, schrieb Anssi Hannula:
+&gt;<i> On 09.06.2011 17:07, Mageia Team wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : handbrake Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> obgr_seneca&lt;obgr_seneca&gt; 0.9.5-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 102461
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - added patches for libnotify and dbus-glib-1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - imported package handbrake
+</I>&gt;<i> Doesn't this contain faac, which is both nonfree and tainted (yet the
+</I>&gt;<i> pkg is in core)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, the package downloads source tarballs during %build. Shouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> this be disallowed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Anssi, please see my private mail to you.
+Don't know why Oliver pushed this, i have a package ready for Mageia,
+which also disables downloading during build. And yes, this should definitely
+got to Tainted, as is bundles many custom patches libraries like a52dec, lame
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+ <B>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i>You did not look very close?
+</I>&gt;<i>See <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220047">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220047</A>
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+Yes, but no. Yes, it looks very close to dozens of KDE and downstrem/distro bugs!
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+It's actually
+<A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268038">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268038</A>
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+And it was fixed (thanks, mikala!) by releasing of
+ntrack-014-3.mga2 !!!
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+The latest ntrack update was meant to fix
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1976">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1976</A>
+by applying an upstream patch for
+<A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ntrack/+bug/750554">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ntrack/+bug/750554</A>
+
+However, this also fixed
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ntrack/+bug/755608">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ntrack/+bug/755608</A>
+in the process.
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+Case closed.
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+Happy happy happy!
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+R-C aka beranger
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+While we are not in release time, please keep an eye on
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+We have now 17 missing deps. Would be nice not to wait too long for fixing it
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+Cheers
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+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+&gt;&gt;<i>You did not look very close?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>See <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220047">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220047</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, but no. Yes, it looks very close to dozens of KDE and downstrem/distro bugs!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's actually
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268038">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268038</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And it was fixed (thanks, mikala!) by releasing of
+</I>&gt;<i> ntrack-014-3.mga2 !!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The latest ntrack update was meant to fix
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1976">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1976</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> by applying an upstream patch for
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ntrack/+bug/750554">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ntrack/+bug/750554</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, this also fixed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ntrack/+bug/755608">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ntrack/+bug/755608</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> in the process.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Case closed.
+</I>
+Not so fast! :(
+
+It's nice that you are happy. But since last updates my windows do not
+have any decorations (no border, no title bar, no chance to
+close/minimize/maximize), konsole window does not get focus at all,
+after reboot I see all decorations for a split second, then they
+vanish from the screen, only the windows stay. Then after 10 seconds
+the complete task bar of KDE vanishes, such keybindings like Alt+F2 or
+Ctrl+TAB do not work at all, etc.
+Total failure at the moment. xsession_errors shows lots of errors, I
+can not distinguish which is related.
+
+--
+wobo
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+&gt;<i>________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i>Not so fast! :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>It's nice that you are happy. But since last updates my windows do not
+</I>&gt;<i>have any decorations (no border, no title bar, no chance to
+</I>&gt;<i>close/minimize/maximize), konsole window does not get focus at all,
+</I>&gt;<i>after reboot I see all decorations for a split second, then they
+</I>&gt;<i>vanish from the screen, only the windows stay. Then after 10 seconds
+</I>&gt;<i>the complete task bar of KDE vanishes, such keybindings like Alt+F2 or
+</I>&gt;<i>Ctrl+TAB do not work at all, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>Total failure at the moment. xsession_errors shows lots of errors, I
+</I>&gt;<i>can not distinguish which is related.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>OUCH! wobo, the gods don't love you!
+</I>However, by no means can this be related to ntrack!
+
+I have never encountered such a syndrome in KDE4, only in XFCE, but this can't be related.
+Using a different user acct helps or it doesn't help?
+
+R-C aka beranger
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+ <B>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU</B>
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+&gt;<i>Not so fast! :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>It's nice that you are happy. But since last updates my windows do not
+</I>&gt;<i>have any decorations (no border, no title bar, no chance to
+</I>&gt;<i>close/minimize/maximize), konsole window does not get focus at all,
+</I>&gt;<i>after reboot I see all decorations for a split second, then they
+</I>&gt;<i>vanish from the screen, only the windows stay. Then after 10 seconds
+</I>&gt;<i>the complete task bar of KDE vanishes, such keybindings like Alt+F2 or
+</I>&gt;<i>Ctrl+TAB do not work at all, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>Total failure at the moment. xsession_errors shows lots of errors, I
+</I>&gt;<i>can not distinguish which is related.
+</I>
+
+Oh, I see that kdebase4-runtime-4.6.90-4.mga2 was also updated, but I believe this update doesn't change anything (adding ntrack as a Requires is IMHO useless as it was installed anyway, and removing it was and it's still impossible, should you want to use KDE), and it also should not affect KDE.
+
+Are you using a reliable mirror? I updated from distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr.
+
+R-C
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Not so fast! :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's nice that you are happy. But since last updates my windows do not
+</I>&gt;<i> have any decorations (no border, no title bar, no chance to
+</I>&gt;<i> close/minimize/maximize), konsole window does not get focus at all,
+</I>&gt;<i> after reboot I see all decorations for a split second, then they
+</I>&gt;<i> vanish from the screen, only the windows stay. Then after 10 seconds
+</I>&gt;<i> the complete task bar of KDE vanishes, such keybindings like Alt+F2 or
+</I>&gt;<i> Ctrl+TAB do not work at all, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> Total failure at the moment. xsession_errors shows lots of errors, I
+</I>&gt;<i> can not distinguish which is related.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OUCH! wobo, the gods don't love you!
+</I>&gt;<i> However, by no means can this be related to ntrack!
+</I>&gt;<i> I have never encountered such a syndrome in KDE4, only in XFCE, but this
+</I>&gt;<i> can't be related.
+</I>&gt;<i> Using a different user acct helps or it doesn't help?
+</I>&gt;<i> R-C aka beranger
+</I>
+Yes, trying with xguest (the first I did after experiencing the
+problem) showed normal behavior.
+Then I moved the complete ~/.kde4 to a backup place and restarted with
+my normal user - back to the problem! :(
+I will create a new normal user and then compare ~/home entries.
+
+Oh! I just saw that the taskbar is not gone, it is hidden! When I move
+the mouse to the places where the menue and other standard items are
+located I can click and use these icons!
+Next: I suddenly get a message about Nepomuk and after that the
+taskbar is visible again! But no window borders nor decorations!
+
+This is weird - I'll come back after I created a new user.
+
+--
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh, I see that kdebase4-runtime-4.6.90-4.mga2 was also updated, but I believe this update doesn't change anything (adding ntrack as a Requires is IMHO useless as it was installed anyway, and removing it was and it's still impossible, should you want to use KDE), and it also should not affect KDE.
+</I>
+It's not useless at all in fact. kdebase4-runtime was ony pulling by
+internal requires lib(64)ntrack0 &amp; lib(64)ntrack-qt4
+ using only the &#171; built-in noop monitor (always online).&#187;, i did not
+notice only yesterday night that his package was installed locally
+(ntrack binary which provides
+/usr/lib(64)/ntrack/modules/ntrack-libnl1.so.
+Also it's strange that kded4 was fixed for you only today since i
+pushed the new ntrack 3 days ago
+when i noticed it the kde's bug you're referring in the last mail.
+
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's nice that you are happy. But since last updates my windows do not
+</I>&gt;<i> have any decorations (no border, no title bar, no chance to
+</I>&gt;<i> close/minimize/maximize), konsole window does not get focus at all,
+</I>&gt;<i> after reboot I see all decorations for a split second, then they
+</I>&gt;<i> vanish from the screen, only the windows stay. Then after 10 seconds
+</I>&gt;<i> the complete task bar of KDE vanishes, such keybindings like Alt+F2 or
+</I>&gt;<i> Ctrl+TAB do not work at all, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> Total failure at the moment. xsession_errors shows lots of errors, I
+</I>&gt;<i> can not distinguish which is related.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This is unrelated to the ntrack problem here. For some reason either
+kwin or plasma-desktop is crashing on your box.
+If you're not using gdm as your display manager you'll be able to
+relaunch plasma-desktop from the tty using DISPLAY=:0 plasma-desktop.
+
+
+
+
+--
+Balcaen John
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/4 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oh, I see that kdebase4-runtime-4.6.90-4.mga2 was also updated, but I believe this update doesn't change anything (adding ntrack as a Requires is IMHO useless as it was installed anyway, and removing it was and it's still impossible, should you want to use KDE), and it also should not affect KDE.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not useless at all in fact. kdebase4-runtime was ony pulling by
+</I>&gt;<i> internal requires lib(64)ntrack0 &amp; lib(64)ntrack-qt4
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;using only &#160;the &#171; &#160;built-in noop monitor (always online).&#187;, i did not
+</I>&gt;<i> notice only yesterday night that his package was installed locally
+</I>&gt;<i> (ntrack binary which provides
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib(64)/ntrack/modules/ntrack-libnl1.so.
+</I>&gt;<i> Also it's strange that kded4 was fixed for you only today since i
+</I>&gt;<i> pushed the new ntrack 3 days ago
+</I>
+Hmm, I saw the new ntrack update coming in 3 days ago but it did not
+fix the cpu load issue here!
+
+&gt;<i> when i noticed it the kde's bug you're referring in the last mail.
+</I>
+I just created a new normal user with same standard values as my main
+user - KDE desktop works ok. htop shows no unusual cpu load.
+So, I have to find out what makes the difference.
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/4 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> Hmm, I saw the new ntrack update coming in 3 days ago but it did not
+</I>&gt;<i> fix the cpu load issue here!
+</I>
+Because ntrack was not installed in fact, kdebase4-runtime requires
+should fix it.
+
+&gt;<i> I just created a new normal user with same standard values as my main
+</I>&gt;<i> user - KDE desktop works ok. htop shows no unusual cpu load.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, I have to find out what makes the difference.
+</I>for the kded usage, the fact that ntrack is now required.
+you can reproduce it by removing with --no-deps ntrack &amp; restart your
+kde session
+
+
+
+--
+Balcaen John
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+&gt;<i> It's not useless at all in fact. kdebase4-runtime was ony pulling by
+</I>&gt;<i> internal requires lib(64)ntrack0 &amp; lib(64)ntrack-qt4
+</I>&gt;<i> using only&#160; the &#171;&#160; built-in noop monitor (always online).&#187;, i did not
+</I>&gt;<i> notice only yesterday night that his package was installed locally
+</I>&gt;<i> (ntrack binary which provides
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib(64)/ntrack/modules/ntrack-libnl1.so.
+</I>&gt;<i> Also it's strange that kded4 was fixed for you only today since i
+</I>&gt;<i> pushed the new ntrack 3 days ago
+</I>&gt;<i> when i noticed it the kde's bug you're referring in the last mail.
+</I>
+
+mikala, I believe I've got it.
+
+I was only having&#160; libntrack0&#160; installed, but not&#160; ntrack.
+Therefore, no matter a new ntrack was released on July 1, I wasn't getting it anyway.
+
+It was kdebase4-runtime-4.6.90-4.mga2, released today, July 4, that brought as a dependency the new ntrack!
+
+Fabulous. (Still, I'm wondering why Fedora Rawide doesn't use ntrack at all.)
+
+Thanks,
+R-C aka beranger
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+
+as said before, here is the long over due report of the discussion we
+had with rtp when I seen him. Being sick and busy with job interview, I
+was unable to finish it sooner.
+
+on 24th June, I went to Paris to give the pandaboard ( a arm motherboard
+)
+donated by TI for zarb.org to arnaud patard (rtp) in order to prepare it
+for integration with the rest of the infrastructure.
+
+While on it, we discussed various technical issue, along with Damien
+(dams ), so here is the summary of the meeting.
+
+People present :
+_ michael scherer
+- arnaud patard
+- damien lallemand
+- nicolas vigier
+
+First, the pandaboard would be hosted at Lost Oasis, without surprise.
+Since the pandaboard alone is just a mother board,
+we need to more hardware to make it usable.
+After discussion, here is the list of hardware that would be needed :
+ - usb cable, to power it ( we have a limited supply of plug )
+ - serial cable, for the bootloader
+ - usb to serial adapter, to plug on a server as we are not sure that
+our servers have working serial
+ - a SD card, of 4 g, for storing kernel, and maybe a rescue FS
+ - a sata harddrive + external enclosure, for the main system
+ - a box for the board
+
+First step is to see how much it cost, and what/where to buy. Action
+assigned to rtp, in 2 weeks. Dams will also check if a mini-itx box
+would do the trick, should check on monday. Rtp also said he would check
+for a external power supply.
+
+In order to find needed length, we will try to get some estimation on
+the available space in our rack, and the required cable, and do some
+simulation.
+
+On the sysadmin side, the proposal is the following :
+ - the board will serve as a rebuilder for arm, which is not in sync
+with others arch for the moment
+ - we will need to adujst various part of the system for arm ( bugzilla,
+mirrors , etc )
+
+Among others, Arnaud spoke of using common flags instead of using %
+ifarch. The goal would be to be able to say &quot;I do compile without java&quot;
+by setting 1 file, instead of adding %ifnarch arm everywhere.
+But he promised me to send a more structured proposal on the -dev.
+
+In order to discuss details in a more open fashion , a meeting have been
+planed for 6 juillet, in the afternoon around 13h UTC ( paris time, 15h
+). We will use #mageia-meeting, and the goal is :
+1) see who is interested by arm ( if you are but cannot be there, please
+say it on irc )
+2) see if the task decided for the previous IRL meeting have been caried
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+&gt;<i> you can reproduce it by removing with --no-deps ntrack &amp; restart your
+</I>&gt;<i> kde session
+</I>
+You mean one could have been running &quot;kded4 --no-deps ntrack&quot; and experience no CPU issues even w/o these updates?!
+Geez, how would a regular user know that &quot;--no-deps ntrack&quot; was a valid parameter?
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/4 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/4 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, I saw the new ntrack update coming in 3 days ago but it did not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fix the cpu load issue here!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because ntrack was not installed in fact, kdebase4-runtime requires
+</I>&gt;<i> should fix it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just created a new normal user with same standard values as my main
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> user - KDE desktop works ok. htop shows no unusual cpu load.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, I have to find out what makes the difference.
+</I>&gt;<i> for the kded usage, the fact that ntrack is now required.
+</I>&gt;<i> you can reproduce it by removing with --no-deps ntrack &amp; restart your
+</I>&gt;<i> kde session
+</I>
+# urpme --no-deps ntrack
+--no-deps: unknown option
+Then it wants to remove all of 128 packages (kdebase4-runtime and all
+dependencies, in short: almost complete KDE)
+
+Anyhow, I thought the problems I have with my main user would be
+related to the new kdebase4-runtime version. If they are not, I'm
+stuck.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you can reproduce it by removing with --no-deps ntrack &amp; restart your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kde session
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You mean one could have been running &quot;kded4 --no-deps ntrack&quot; and experience no CPU issues even w/o these updates?!
+</I>
+Arrf! I misunderstood that part about &quot;removing&quot;!
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+&gt;<i> Am 04.07.2011 11:42, schrieb Anssi Hannula:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 09.06.2011 17:07, Mageia Team wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Name : handbrake Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; obgr_seneca&lt;obgr_seneca&gt; 0.9.5-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; + Revision: 102461
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - added patches for libnotify and dbus-glib-1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - imported package handbrake
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Doesn't this contain faac, which is both nonfree and tainted (yet the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pkg is in core)?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Also, the package downloads source tarballs during %build. Shouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this be disallowed?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi, please see my private mail to you.
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't know why Oliver pushed this, i have a package ready for Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> which also disables downloading during build. And yes, this should definitely
+</I>&gt;<i> got to Tainted, as is bundles many custom patches libraries like a52dec, lame
+</I>&gt;<i> and some others, too.
+</I>
+Custom patched libraries are evil and should be avoided. For security
+reasons, we should use the library of the system, or it will become
+quickly unmanageable if we need to fix a hole in some multimedia codec
+
+( it also take memory and disk space for nothing :/ )
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+&gt;<i>Then I moved the complete ~/.kde4 to a backup place and restarted with
+</I>&gt;<i>my normal user - back to the problem! :(
+</I>&gt;<i>I will create a new normal user and then compare ~/home entries.
+</I>
+
+I'm currently experiencing a similar situation with XFCE: it's broken all of a sudden, no titlebars, no focus in any window, it's totally unusable.
+Creating a different user shows that XFCE is not broken.
+However, deleting ~/.config/xfce4 and ~/.cache for my current user does not help, XFCE is still unusable.
+What else to delete? There is no ~/.xfce4 directory!
+
+This might be the last time I was using that piece of crap called XFCE...
+
+R-C
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you can reproduce it by removing with --no-deps ntrack &amp; restart your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kde session
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You mean one could have been running &quot;kded4 --no-deps ntrack&quot; and experience no CPU issues even w/o these updates?!
+</I>&gt;<i> Geez, how would a regular user know that &quot;--no-deps ntrack&quot; was a valid parameter?
+</I>it was a rpm command aka remove the ntrack package with --nodeps aka
+rpm -e --nodeps ntrack
+&amp; not running kded4 whith thoses argument.
+
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/4 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/4 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/4 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, I saw the new ntrack update coming in 3 days ago but it did not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fix the cpu load issue here!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Because ntrack was not installed in fact, kdebase4-runtime requires
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should fix it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just created a new normal user with same standard values as my main
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> user - KDE desktop works ok. htop shows no unusual cpu load.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So, I have to find out what makes the difference.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for the kded usage, the fact that ntrack is now required.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you can reproduce it by removing with --no-deps ntrack &amp; restart your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kde session
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # urpme --no-deps ntrack
+</I>&gt;<i> --no-deps: unknown option
+</I>&gt;<i> Then it wants to remove all of 128 packages (kdebase4-runtime and all
+</I>&gt;<i> dependencies, in short: almost complete KDE)
+</I>urpmi does not support --no-deps ,i was referring to &#171; rpm &#187; directly.
+
+
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+<PRE>2011/7/4 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/4 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/4 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/4 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/4 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, I saw the new ntrack update coming in 3 days ago but it did not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fix the cpu load issue here!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Because ntrack was not installed in fact, kdebase4-runtime requires
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should fix it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just created a new normal user with same standard values as my main
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> user - KDE desktop works ok. htop shows no unusual cpu load.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So, I have to find out what makes the difference.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for the kded usage, the fact that ntrack is now required.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you can reproduce it by removing with --no-deps ntrack &amp; restart your
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> kde session
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # urpme --no-deps ntrack
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --no-deps: unknown option
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then it wants to remove all of 128 packages (kdebase4-runtime and all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dependencies, in short: almost complete KDE)
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi does not support --no-deps ,i was referring to &#171; rpm &#187; directly.
+</I>
+Warning! Extensive usage of urpmi may lead to dumb usage of rpm!
+
+man rpm says:
+rpm -e --nodeps package_name
+
+:<i>)
+</I>
+Anyhow, it is not related to the problem I have.
+--
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+ <B>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU</B>
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+<PRE>But removing ntrack does not fix anything! (CPU 100%) Maybe removing libtrack0?
+
+R-C (sorry 4 top-posting, I'm on Nokia)
+
+On Mon Jul 4th, 2011 3:26 PM EEST John Balcaen wrote:
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+&gt;<i>2011/7/4 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you can reproduce it by removing with --no-deps ntrack &amp; restart your
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> kde session
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You mean one could have been running &quot;kded4 --no-deps ntrack&quot; and experience no CPU issues even w/o these updates?!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Geez, how would a regular user know that &quot;--no-deps ntrack&quot; was a valid parameter?
+</I>&gt;<i>it was a rpm command aka remove the ntrack package with --nodeps aka
+</I>&gt;<i>rpm -e --nodeps ntrack
+</I>&gt;<i>&amp; not running kded4 whith thoses argument.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>--
+</I>&gt;<i>Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i>Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+&gt;<i> But removing ntrack does not fix anything! (CPU 100%) Maybe removing libtrack0?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I said that you'll be able to reproduce the 100% CPU usage by kded4 if
+the ntrack package is removed.
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+&gt;<i> In order to discuss details in a more open fashion , a meeting have been
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+&gt;<i> While we are not in release time, please keep an eye on
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/missing-deps.i586.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/missing-deps.i586.txt</A> or
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> We have now 17 missing deps. Would be nice not to wait too long for fixing it
+</I>
+perl(Dist::Zilla::Plugin::WSDL::Types) is related to bug 1839 on
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+<PRE>Le lundi 04 juillet 2011 &#224; 08:15 -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Due to a spec error, these packages are now in cauldron core/release:
+</I>&gt;<i> libgcr-3_%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
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+</I>&gt;<i> and
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+</I>&gt;<i> libgck%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</I>
+This broke the build system, the sysadmins are on it.
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+I guess we should investigate to see why rpmlint didn't prevent the
+upload :/
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+complete srpm, and able to restore a old revision would be handy.
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+command ( genhdlist ), with specific argument, and needing the path of
+the media, 2 times. We also need to do the rsync by hand. Again, a tool
+for that would IMHO be helpful.
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+- the problem appeared because we have suggest installed in the default
+chroot. There is already a bug opened for that. Installing suggest is
+taking useless time, and may hide missing deps, so we should fix this.
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+- we still lake a way to say &quot;build system is broken, we are working on
+it&quot;. I guess the warning label that mandriva deployed could be adapted.
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+- finally, rpmlint should have prevented upload. We have enabled the
+check on upload, but it seems to be not working. Again, that's something
+that should be fix unless we want another problem to appear.
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 02.07.2011 13:00, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hey,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i'm having some trouble with adding get-skype into backports_testing. blino told me to cp
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; get-skype into updates/1 as i can't submit it from cauldron. So i did.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updates/1 is meant for updates, not backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But as there was no get-skype for mageia 1 iirc we can push it on
+</I>&gt;<i> testing_updates
+</I>
+It was not present on mandriva, so this hardly count as a missing
+packages.
+
+The exception for update was for people who did upgrade and couldn't get
+their software after
+
+Not for new rpms.
+
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+<PRE>Le lundi 04 juillet 2011 &#224; 09:15 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 22:23:09, Damien Lallement a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 02/07/2011 20:27, Dexter Morgan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Anssi Hannula&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; On 02.07.2011 13:00, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Hey,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; i'm having some trouble with adding get-skype into backports_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; blino told me to cp get-skype into updates/1 as i can't submit it from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; cauldron. So i did.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; updates/1 is meant for updates, not backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; But as there was no get-skype for mageia 1 iirc we can push it on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; testing_updates
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Not sur it will be good... All the non present packages in Mageia 1 I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; added after a bug request were added to backports_testing (as asked by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; boklm and you dmorgan ;)).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be good to clarify the situation because I've got a lot of new
+</I>&gt;<i> packages to push to Mageia 1 and I haven't done it yet because I still don't
+</I>&gt;<i> know if I must send them to updates_testing (as was agreed as a special case
+</I>&gt;<i> for Mageia 1) or backports_testing (seeing that new packages were already sent
+</I>&gt;<i> there), seing both being done at the moment, and the discussion about backport
+</I>&gt;<i> policy being not finished yet.
+</I>
+If :
+- a package was present in Mandriva 2010.1/2 ( and only in Mandriva, not
+in 3rd party repository, not cooker ), and
+- is not present in Mageia 1 ( */release or updates ),
+and
+- caused a problem to a user preventing his upgrade,
+
+then :
+- we can push it as a update ( ie, follow the QA , etc )
+
+Subsequent updates are subjected to the same rule as usual ( ie,
+backports, unless that's a upgrade following the update policy ).
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 02 juillet 2011 &#224; 20:27 +0200, Dexter Morgan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On 02.07.2011 13:00, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Hey,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; i'm having some trouble with adding get-skype into backports_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; blino told me to cp get-skype into updates/1 as i can't submit it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; from cauldron. So i did.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; updates/1 is meant for updates, not backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But as there was no get-skype for mageia 1 iirc we can push it on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; testing_updates
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was not present on mandriva, so this hardly count as a missing
+</I>&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The exception for update was for people who did upgrade and couldn't get
+</I>&gt;<i> their software after
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not for new rpms.
+</I>
+But skype was available for PWP, which i have.
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+<PRE>On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Maarten Vanraes
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> But skype was available for PWP, which i have.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>read again what misc wrote :
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+<PRE>On Monday, July 04, 2011 05:10:24 am Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; It's not useless at all in fact. kdebase4-runtime was ony pulling by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; internal requires lib(64)ntrack0 &amp; lib(64)ntrack-qt4
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; using only the &#171; built-in noop monitor (always online).&#187;, i did not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; notice only yesterday night that his package was installed locally
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (ntrack binary which provides
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /usr/lib(64)/ntrack/modules/ntrack-libnl1.so.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Also it's strange that kded4 was fixed for you only today since i
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pushed the new ntrack 3 days ago
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; when i noticed it the kde's bug you're referring in the last mail.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mikala, I believe I've got it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was only having libntrack0 installed, but not ntrack.
+</I>&gt;<i> Therefore, no matter a new ntrack was released on July 1, I wasn't getting
+</I>&gt;<i> it anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was kdebase4-runtime-4.6.90-4.mga2, released today, July 4, that brought
+</I>&gt;<i> as a dependency the new ntrack!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fabulous. (Still, I'm wondering why Fedora Rawide doesn't use ntrack at
+</I>&gt;<i> all.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i> R-C aka beranger
+</I>
+Same here, after installing ntrack, logging out and loggin in tagain the kde4
+cpu sage went to 0 = zero
+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Maarten Vanraes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But skype was available for PWP, which i have.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> read again what misc wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - a package was present in Mandriva 2010.1/2 ( and only in Mandriva, not
+</I>&gt;<i> in 3rd party repository, not cooker )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> skype wasn't in main nor contrib
+</I>
+yes, again...
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+it was in PWP (ie: the powerpack version? which _IS_ from mandriva? which had
+a _restricted_ repository? _not_ 3rd party???
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+i don't see where i'm misreading anything here...
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+&gt;<i> On Monday, July 04, 2011 05:10:24 am Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote:Same here,
+</I>&gt;<i> after installing ntrack, logging out and loggin in tagain the kde4
+</I>&gt;<i> cpu sage went to 0 = zero
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
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+dito here 64-bit system
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+<PRE>Le lundi 4 juillet 2011 13:14:12, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While we are not in release time, please keep an eye on
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/missing-deps.i586.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/missing-deps.i586.txt</A> or
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have now 17 missing deps. Would be nice not to wait too long for fixing
+</I>&gt;<i> it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I am silly, and added one that should not be there : I am importing wormux,
+and putted a require on it in task-games too early.
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 4 juillet 2011 13:14:12, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; While we are not in release time, please keep an eye on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/missing-deps.i586.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/missing-deps.i586.txt</A> or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We have now 17 missing deps. Would be nice not to wait too long for fixing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I am silly, and added one that should not be there : I am importing wormux,
+</I>&gt;<i> and putted a require on it in task-games too early.
+</I>
+Don't we have warmux already ?
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; I am silly, and added one that should not be there : I am importing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wormux, and putted a require on it in task-games too early.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't we have warmux already ?
+</I>yes we have.
+
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+&gt;<i> On 07/04/2011 08:28 AM, andre999 wrote:
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; We had the name <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">packager-mentoring at ...</A> in mind.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So could we have <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">packager-mentoring at ml.mageia.org</A> ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The ML could also be good as direct input for people who like to
+</I>&gt;<i> contribute as packager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you said in your mail before, the mageia-dev or mageia-discuss ML's
+</I>&gt;<i> are very polulated, so the chances of overreading a mail of someone new
+</I>&gt;<i> could happen very easy.
+</I>
+what do you mean by &quot;overreading&quot; ?
+
+&gt;<i> Having a dedicated ML just for that as entry point for new guys, we can
+</I>&gt;<i> abandon that problem and we won't miss someone.
+</I>
+You would still miss people who post on -dev, forums or irc. So for the
+mentoring team, this mean just more work or at least, it cannot be less
+work.
+
+For mentors and people interested in mentoring, that doesn't bring much
+either ( ie, they have to read -dev anyway ).
+
+And that's the same for people interested in packaging, this just mean 2
+lists to follow instead of one ( cause if the goal is to do packages,
+not subscribing to -dev is out of question IMHO ).
+
+So I do not see how yet another list would really help :/
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+&gt;<i> Op maandag 04 juli 2011 20:31:41 schreef Dexter Morgan:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Maarten Vanraes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; But skype was available for PWP, which i have.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; read again what misc wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - a package was present in Mandriva 2010.1/2 ( and only in Mandriva, not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in 3rd party repository, not cooker )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; skype wasn't in main nor contrib
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yes, again...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it was in PWP (ie: the powerpack version? which _IS_ from mandriva? which
+</I>&gt;<i> had
+</I>&gt;<i> a _restricted_ repository? _not_ 3rd party???
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't see where i'm misreading anything here...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Perhaps Anne could clarify it better than I, but I think that you are
+misreading the part that Powerpack is/was part of Mandriva distribution.
+Powerpack media is *not* part of Mandriva distribution, it is a separate
+3rd-party media (which happens to come from same company, but it is not part
+of Mandriva distribution), with access allowed only to paying customers,
+which is not shared with the Mandriva distribution.
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+&gt;<i> it was in PWP (ie: the powerpack version? which _IS_ from mandriva? which had
+</I>&gt;<i> a _restricted_ repository? _not_ 3rd party???
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't see where i'm misreading anything here...
+</I>
+For one, get-skype is not a direct upgrade of the skype package from
+Mandriva.
+
+And yes, I think we do consider powerpack as external repository :
+- we do not know what was in it
+- we do not have sources for anything
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+since it was asked quite a few time ( especially by thierry ) and since
+it broke the BS this afternoon, I took a look at the problem of
+unexpanded macro, and why rpmlint didn't catch it.
+
+And in fact, the problem was simply that the name of the check as
+changed. So this should be blocked now, and while I am on it, I am
+looking at the &quot;one word per commit&quot; problem.
+
+I pushed this ( not activated yet ) :
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/subversion/templates/single_word_commit?revision=1809&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/subversion/templates/single_word_commit?revision=1809&amp;view=markup</A>
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+But I am not sure if this is enough, or if this will not have unwanted
+side effect.
+
+Do people have a opinion ?
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+<PRE>On 5 July 2011 02:19, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> since it was asked quite a few time ( especially by thierry ) and since
+</I>&gt;<i> it broke the BS this afternoon, I took a look at the problem of
+</I>&gt;<i> unexpanded macro, and why rpmlint didn't catch it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And in fact, the problem was simply that the name of the check as
+</I>&gt;<i> changed. So this should be blocked now, and while I am on it, I am
+</I>&gt;<i> looking at the &quot;one word per commit&quot; problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I pushed this ( not activated yet ) :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/subversion/templates/single_word_commit?revision=1809&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/subversion/templates/single_word_commit?revision=1809&amp;view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I am not sure if this is enough, or if this will not have unwanted
+</I>&gt;<i> side effect.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do people have a opinion ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It doesn't account for &quot;- rebuild&quot; or &quot;rebuild.&quot;, IINM. Maybe:
+grep -qvP '^[-\s]*\b\S+\b[\s\.]*$'
+
+(Though I think any one can punch holes through that check).
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+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 04 juillet 2011 &#224; 09:37 +0200, Daniel Kreuter a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 07/04/2011 08:28 AM, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We had the name <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">packager-mentoring at ...</A> in mind.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So could we have <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">packager-mentoring at ml.mageia.org</A> ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The ML could also be good as direct input for people who like to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contribute as packager.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you said in your mail before, the mageia-dev or mageia-discuss ML's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are very polulated, so the chances of overreading a mail of someone new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could happen very easy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> what do you mean by &quot;overreading&quot; ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Having a dedicated ML just for that as entry point for new guys, we can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> abandon that problem and we won't miss someone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You would still miss people who post on -dev, forums or irc. So for the
+</I>&gt;<i> mentoring team, this mean just more work or at least, it cannot be less
+</I>&gt;<i> work.
+</I>
+It shouldn't be more work, just that package mentoring request are more likely
+to be more quickly responded to.
+
+&gt;<i> For mentors and people interested in mentoring, that doesn't bring much
+</I>&gt;<i> either ( ie, they have to read -dev anyway ).
+</I>
+True, for mentors.
+Unless it is also used for the mentoring process itself, in which case a higher
+priority could be given to the mentoring list.
+Actually, such a list might facilitate the mentoring process, since it wouldn't
+be tied to being on line at the same time, as is IRC. And also apprentices
+could read previous mentoring questions and answers.
+But of course, a mailing list can't give the advantages of the real-time
+response of IRC.
+
+&gt;<i> And that's the same for people interested in packaging, this just mean 2
+</I>&gt;<i> lists to follow instead of one ( cause if the goal is to do packages,
+</I>&gt;<i> not subscribing to -dev is out of question IMHO ).
+</I>
+I do agree that everyone subscribing to a mentoring list should also subscribe
+to -dev. (I would say likely also to -discuss, as well.)
+But the 2 lists would have a different focus. The -mentoring list would have
+more immediate importance to apprentices, and probably/possibly to mentors as well.
+
+&gt;<i> So I do not see how yet another list would really help :/
+</I>
+I had the idea of a contact point that packager mentoring requests could be
+directed to, where everyone working with the coordinator could easily monitor.
+ Assuming that messages to this contact point could be put it a separate
+folder, it would make it easier to ensure that such requests are not lost in
+the noise.
+If the coordinator is temporarily unavailable (vacation, etc) and doesn't have
+Internet access (which for me would likely coincide), others working with the
+coordinator could monitor the contact point to ensure a better response.
+Maybe that is overkill, since we do now have the packages_mentoring page
+adapted for those wanting to become packagers. But actively assisting
+potential mentors making contact is advantageous.
+
+But if a new such mailing list were also used for the mentoring process itself,
+that would not detract from it being a useful contact point, so maybe that
+would work.
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+I'm not trying to insist on it, but at least it seems like something we should
+consider :)
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to introduce several rpm autoprovs, such as mimehandler,
+</I>&gt;<i> fontconfig, the same as fedora, opensuse and mandriva. So that we
+</I>&gt;<i> could eventually doing something like 'urpmi font(:lang=jp)
+</I>&gt;<i> mimehandler(audio/x-mp3)&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And, will we cooperate with mandriva with urpmi backend for packagekit?
+</I>
+Would you please more clearly?
+
+&quot;urpmi font(:lang=jp)&quot; means install those who usually used by jp?
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+&quot;urpmi mimihandler(audio/x-mp3)&quot; would install codec for mp3?
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+&gt;<i> &#22312; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:45:50 +0800, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to introduce several rpm autoprovs, such as mimehandler,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fontconfig, the same as fedora, opensuse and mandriva. So that we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could eventually doing something like 'urpmi font(:lang=jp)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mimehandler(audio/x-mp3)&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And, will we cooperate with mandriva with urpmi backend for packagekit?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would you please more clearly?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;urpmi font(:lang=jp)&quot; means install those who usually used by jp?
+</I>Current in Mandriva:
+$ urpmq --whatprovides 'font(:lang=ja)'
+fonts-ttf-japanese-extra|fonts-ttf-japanese-ipamona|fonts-ttf-unifont|fonts-ttf-japanese-mplus_ipagothic|fonts-ttf-wqy-microhei|fonts-ttf-chinese-opendesktop|fonts-ttf-droid|fonts-ttf-japanese|x11-font-misc-misc
+
+so &quot;urpmi font(:lang=ja)&quot; will ask the user which package he want to
+isntall. And we could set a prefer font via rpmsrate.
+
+&gt;<i> &quot;urpmi mimihandler(audio/x-mp3)&quot; would install codec for mp3?
+</I>No, it will install a mp3 player, such as amarok. For installing
+codec, we currenly use codeina I guess.
+
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+<PRE>2011/7/5 Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: cogl &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 1.7.2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 1.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Tue Jul &#160;5 10:25:18 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : System/Libraries &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 1221358 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://www.clutter-project.org/">http://www.clutter-project.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : A library for using 3D graphics hardware to draw pretty pictures
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Cogl is a small open source library for using 3D graphics hardware to draw
+</I>&gt;<i> pretty pictures. The API departs from the flat state machine style of
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenGL and is designed to make it easy to write orthogonal components that
+</I>&gt;<i> can render without stepping on each others toes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As well aiming for a nice API, we think having a single library as opposed
+</I>&gt;<i> to an API specification like OpenGL has a few advantages too; like being
+</I>&gt;<i> able to paper over the inconsistencies/bugs of different OpenGL
+</I>&gt;<i> implementations in a centralized place, not to mention the myriad of OpenGL
+</I>&gt;<i> extensions. It also means we are in a better position to provide utility
+</I>&gt;<i> APIs that help software developers since they only need to be implemented
+</I>&gt;<i> once and there is no risk of inconsistency between implementations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Having other backends, besides OpenGL, such as drm, Gallium or D3D are
+</I>&gt;<i> options we are interested in for the future.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wally &lt;wally&gt; 1.7.2-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 118689
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 1.7.2
+</I>&gt;<i> - new major 1 for pango lib
+</I>&gt;<i> - clean .spec a bit
+</I>
+Oopsie!
+
+New major was for main lib. Used svn propedit to fix commit msg in
+SVN, %changelog should be correct when building next version/release,
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+I see packages like gstreamer0.10-soup installed as separate packages.
+Is there any real gain from this split? Other than pulling in other
+libraries etc, as it just causes potential problems for some packages
+that do not require it. e.g. totem and rhythmbox both reqire the -soup
+package but phonon-gstreamer does not (it should).
+
+But really, should this library just be bundled into the main -good
+package? Ditto for other &quot;overly split&quot; things, like the pulse plugin,
+and the neon plugin in -bad....
+
+Has anyone sad down and thought about it a bit recently (here or in Mdv?)
+
+Col
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+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to introduce several rpm autoprovs, such as mimehandler,
+</I>&gt;<i> fontconfig, the same as fedora, opensuse and mandriva. So that we
+</I>&gt;<i> could eventually doing something like 'urpmi font(:lang=jp)
+</I>&gt;<i> mimehandler(audio/x-mp3)&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And, will we cooperate with mandriva with urpmi backend for packagekit?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>On 5 July 2011 11:04, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I see packages like gstreamer0.10-soup installed as separate packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any real gain from this split? Other than pulling in other
+</I>&gt;<i> libraries etc, as it just causes potential problems for some packages
+</I>&gt;<i> that do not require it. e.g. totem and rhythmbox both reqire the -soup
+</I>&gt;<i> package but phonon-gstreamer does not (it should).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But really, should this library just be bundled into the main -good
+</I>&gt;<i> package?
+</I>
+I agree about merging -soup, without it gst-based apps can't seem to
+play online streams, this is a basic functionality, I guess.
+
+&gt;<i> Ditto for other &quot;overly split&quot; things, like the pulse plugin,
+</I>&gt;<i> and the neon plugin in -bad....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I dunno about pulse, it would pull pulseaudio on users' systems (I
+know it's installed by default, but some do a minimal install and
+don't install pulse, even if the some of pulse libs are too dug deep
+down the whole stack :)).
+
+&gt;<i> Has anyone sad down and thought about it a bit recently (here or in Mdv?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+(I have to admit, I didn't sit down and think about it before). Here goes:
+
+===========================
+-good:
+$ urpmf --sourcerpm gstreamer0.10-plugins-good | awk -F: '{print $1}'
+gstreamer0.10-caca
+gstreamer0.10-raw1394
+gstreamer0.10-soup
+gstreamer0.10-plugins-good
+gstreamer0.10-dv
+gstreamer0.10-wavpack
+gstreamer0.10-pulse
+gstreamer0.10-jack
+gstreamer0.10-speex
+gstreamer0.10-aalib
+gstreamer0.10-flac
+
+I think these can be merged in addition to -soup:
+-flac, an open format, expected to work o-o-t-b, IMHO
+-jack, doesn't matter really, it won't pull any more requires as
+libjack.so.0 is deep in the stack anyway (just tested with urpme
+--test and it wanted to yank 174 packages).
+
+As for the rest I am not sure, e.g. I've never used -wavpack, so I
+think they can remain split.
+
+=========================
+-ugly looks OK to me.
+
+$ urpmf --sourcerpm gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly | awk -F: '{print $1}'
+gstreamer0.10-sid
+gstreamer0.10-twolame
+gstreamer0.10-a52dec
+gstreamer0.10-cdio
+gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
+gstreamer0.10-mpeg
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+
+Though merging -a52dec looks like a good idea given how widely used
+the AC-3 codec is.
+
+==========================
+I left the &quot;bad&quot; for last, they look OK too, each sub-package
+pulls/requires a different lib (e.g. rtmp -&gt; librtmp.so.0), I guess
+that's a good splitting criteria; I've never used -neon so I'll take
+your word for it :)
+$ urpmf --sourcerpm gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad | awk -F: '{print $1}' |
+grep -v lib
+gstreamer0.10-rtmp
+gstreamer0.10-nas
+gstreamer0.10-rsvg
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+gstreamer0.10-mpeg2enc
+gstreamer0.10-vp8
+gstreamer0.10-cog
+gstreamer0.10-curl
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+(A bit off-topic, I think -nas should be deprecated, NAS doesn't seem
+that used lately?).
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to introduce several rpm autoprovs, such as mimehandler,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fontconfig, the same as fedora, opensuse and mandriva. So that we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could eventually doing something like 'urpmi font(:lang=jp)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mimehandler(audio/x-mp3)&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And, will we cooperate with mandriva with urpmi backend for packagekit?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> we already have the fontconfig macro since mga 1
+</I>Then maybe we should rebuild those packages?
+$ rpm -qp --provides fonts-ttf-wqy-microhei-0.2.0-5.mga1.noarch.rpm
+fonts-ttf-wqy-microhei = 0.2.0-5.mga1
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/5 Dexter Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to introduce several rpm autoprovs, such as mimehandler,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fontconfig, the same as fedora, opensuse and mandriva. So that we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> could eventually doing something like 'urpmi font(:lang=jp)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mimehandler(audio/x-mp3)&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And, will we cooperate with mandriva with urpmi backend for packagekit?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we already have the fontconfig macro since mga 1
+</I>&gt;<i> Then maybe we should rebuild those packages?
+</I>&gt;<i> $ rpm -qp --provides fonts-ttf-wqy-microhei-0.2.0-5.mga1.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> fonts-ttf-wqy-microhei = 0.2.0-5.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+yes it needs a rebuild to give the correct provides.
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+some fonts have been introduced &quot;before&quot; we add this provide script so
+some fonts may not have the good provides and need a rebuild
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+&lt;depth&gt;24&lt;/depth&gt;
+&lt;url&gt;.face&lt;/url&gt;
+&lt;height&gt;106&lt;/height&gt;
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+&gt;<i>For the last several days in my Cauldron KDE desktop, multiple instances of the &quot;Available Device&quot; notification keep coming up entitled &quot;Coherence Test Content&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>This appears to be caused by the following in /etc/coherence/coherence.conf:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>&lt;plugin active=&quot;yes&quot;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>&lt;name&gt;Coherence Test Content&lt;/name&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>&lt;backend&gt;FSStore&lt;/backend&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>&lt;uuid&gt;cb1b6feb-10fd-46a6-8347-f8ad46c73df9&lt;/uuid&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>&lt;content&gt;/srv/public&lt;/content&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>&lt;transcoding&gt;yes&lt;/transcoding&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>&lt;icon&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>&lt;mimetype&gt;image/png&lt;/mimetype&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>&lt;width&gt;120&lt;/width&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>&lt;depth&gt;24&lt;/depth&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>&lt;url&gt;.face&lt;/url&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>&lt;height&gt;106&lt;/height&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>&lt;/icon&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>&lt;/plugin&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Is this intentional, or is it some test setting that wasn't reverted before the package was built ?
+</I>
+
+Sorry for messing with an issue I am not familiar with, but AFAICT python-coherence was last built on Mon 21 Feb 2011, so I see no reason why this should only manifest now!
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+</I>&gt;<i> python-coherence was last built on Mon 21 Feb 2011, so I see no reason
+</I>&gt;<i> why this should only manifest now!
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+&gt;<i> For the last several days in my Cauldron KDE desktop, multiple instances of
+</I>&gt;<i> the &quot;Available Device&quot; notification keep coming up entitled &quot;Coherence Test
+</I>&gt;<i> Content&quot;.
+</I>The notification is probably related to the support of hupnp which was
+enable in our package with kdelibs 4.6.90.
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/5 Frank Griffin&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For the last several days in my Cauldron KDE desktop, multiple instances of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the &quot;Available Device&quot; notification keep coming up entitled &quot;Coherence Test
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Content&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> The notification is probably related to the support of hupnp which was
+</I>&gt;<i> enable in our package with kdelibs 4.6.90.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>So does that mean that this behavior is an error, or expected/desired.
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+&gt;<i> On 07/05/2011 10:22 AM, John Balcaen wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/5 Frank Griffin&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For the last several days in my Cauldron KDE desktop, multiple instances
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the &quot;Available Device&quot; notification keep coming up entitled &quot;Coherence
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Test
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Content&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The notification is probably related to the support of hupnp which was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> enable in our package with kdelibs 4.6.90.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So does that mean that this behavior is an error, or expected/desired. &#160;If
+</I>&gt;<i> it's an error, I'll open a bug report.
+</I>It's just an idea i'm not sure.
+Also i just installed coherence to see if i can reproduce here. (with
+the default setup)
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+mikala,
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+# urpmi kdegraphics4-devel
+The following package has to be removed for others to be upgraded:
+ksnapshot-4.6.90-1.mga2.i586
+&#160;(due to conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel[&lt;= 2:4.6.90]) (y/N)
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+Or, the other way around:
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+# urmpi ksnapshot
+The following package has to be removed for others to be upgraded:
+kdegraphics4-devel-4.6.90-1.mga2.noarch
+&#160;(due to conflicts with ksnapshot-4.6.90-1.mga2.i586) (y/N)
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+I admit I don't understand the new KDE 4.7 package &quot;fragmentation&quot; (why must they always change something upstream? I'm sick of this), but is this normal? I guess not.&#160;
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
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+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to introduce several rpm autoprovs, such as mimehandler,
+</I>&gt;<i> fontconfig, the same as fedora, opensuse and mandriva. So that we
+</I>&gt;<i> could eventually doing something like 'urpmi font(:lang=jp)
+</I>&gt;<i> mimehandler(audio/x-mp3)&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>
+If it provides extra functionality present in the other rpm distros, it sounds
+like a good idea.
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+&gt;<i> And, will we cooperate with mandriva with urpmi backend for packagekit?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think it is a very good idea, since we have that in common, and urpm* are
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+&gt;<i> Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to introduce several rpm autoprovs, such as mimehandler,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fontconfig, the same as fedora, opensuse and mandriva. So that we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could eventually doing something like 'urpmi font(:lang=jp)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mimehandler(audio/x-mp3)&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If it provides extra functionality present in the other rpm distros, it
+</I>&gt;<i> sounds like a good idea.
+</I>I agree that we can add some more functionalities to urpmi/rpm,
+
+but the user experience should be consistent.
+
+urpmi font(:lang=jp) is quite abnormal.....
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And, will we cooperate with mandriva with urpmi backend for packagekit?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it is a very good idea, since we have that in common, and urpm*
+</I>&gt;<i> are nice tools.
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+<PRE>On 6 July 2011 06:30, Kira &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 09:56:10 +0800, andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to introduce several rpm autoprovs, such as mimehandler,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fontconfig, the same as fedora, opensuse and mandriva. So that we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> could eventually doing something like 'urpmi font(:lang=jp)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mimehandler(audio/x-mp3)&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If it provides extra functionality present in the other rpm distros, it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sounds like a good idea.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree that we can add some more functionalities to urpmi/rpm,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but the user experience should be consistent.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi font(:lang=jp) is quite abnormal.....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ideally, it won't be run by the user, but triggered automatically by
+packagekit when needed, IIUC.
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+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And, will we cooperate with mandriva with urpmi backend for packagekit?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think it is a very good idea, since we have that in common, and urpm*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are nice tools.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: logrotate &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 3.8.0 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 1.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Mon Jul &#160;4 08:24:04 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : File tools &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 55428 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="https://fedorahosted.org/logrotate/">https://fedorahosted.org/logrotate/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Rotates, compresses, removes and mails system log files
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> The logrotate utility is designed to simplify the administration of
+</I>&gt;<i> log files on a system which generates a lot of log files. &#160;Logrotate
+</I>&gt;<i> allows for the automatic rotation compression, removal and mailing of
+</I>&gt;<i> log files. &#160;Logrotate can be set to handle a log file daily, weekly,
+</I>&gt;<i> monthly or when the log file gets to a certain size. &#160;Normally,
+</I>&gt;<i> logrotate runs as a daily cron job.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Install the logrotate package if you need a utility to deal with the
+</I>&gt;<i> log files on your system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ahmad &lt;ahmad&gt; 3.8.0-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 117993
+</I>&gt;<i> - Update to 3.8.0, fixes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; CVE-2011-1098
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; CVE-2011-1154
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; CVE-2011-1155
+</I>&gt;<i> - Drop patch0, fixed upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> - Add BR acl-devel and compile with WITH_ACL
+</I>&gt;<i> - Put 'make test' in a %check section
+</I>
+FWIW, I couldn't extract the commits from upstream SVN[1] that fixed
+those three CVE's (the upstream svn log isn't that clear to me..), so
+I can't backport the fixes to mga1.
+
+[1] <A HREF="http://svn.fedorahosted.org/svn/logrotate/">http://svn.fedorahosted.org/svn/logrotate/</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 4 July 2011 08:25, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: logrotate &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version &#160; &#160; : 3.8.0 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Release &#160; &#160; : 1.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Mon Jul &#160;4 08:24:04 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : File tools &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 55428 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="https://fedorahosted.org/logrotate/">https://fedorahosted.org/logrotate/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary &#160; &#160; : Rotates, compresses, removes and mails system log files
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The logrotate utility is designed to simplify the administration of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; log files on a system which generates a lot of log files. &#160;Logrotate
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; allows for the automatic rotation compression, removal and mailing of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; log files. &#160;Logrotate can be set to handle a log file daily, weekly,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; monthly or when the log file gets to a certain size. &#160;Normally,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; logrotate runs as a daily cron job.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Install the logrotate package if you need a utility to deal with the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; log files on your system.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ahmad &lt;ahmad&gt; 3.8.0-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 117993
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Update to 3.8.0, fixes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; CVE-2011-1098
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; CVE-2011-1154
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; CVE-2011-1155
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Drop patch0, fixed upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Add BR acl-devel and compile with WITH_ACL
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Put 'make test' in a %check section
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> FWIW, I couldn't extract the commits from upstream SVN[1] that fixed
+</I>&gt;<i> those three CVE's (the upstream svn log isn't that clear to me..), so
+</I>&gt;<i> I can't backport the fixes to mga1.
+</I>
+There are patchs on redhat bugzilla.
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+CVE-2011-1098:
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680798">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680798</A>
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+CVE-2011-1154:
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680796">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680796</A>
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+CVE-2011-1155:
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680797">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680797</A>
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+<PRE>I updated xcb-util and stupidly obsoleted the old libs (which have
+been merged in the one lib), this broke the BS.
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+First thing to do is rebuild startup-notification, but it fails, and I
+don't see why <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110706093849.ahmad.valstar.8189/log/startup-notification-0.12-2.mga2/install_deps-1.0.20110706093902.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110706093849.ahmad.valstar.8189/log/startup-notification-0.12-2.mga2/install_deps-1.0.20110706093902.log</A>
+
+lib64xcb-util0[== 0.3.8-1.mga2] should be available already from
+xcb-utils-0.3.8... so help!
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+<PRE>On 6 July 2011 11:29, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 06 Jul 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 4 July 2011 08:25, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: logrotate &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Version &#160; &#160; : 3.8.0 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Release &#160; &#160; : 1.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Mon Jul &#160;4 08:24:04 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : File tools &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 55428 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="https://fedorahosted.org/logrotate/">https://fedorahosted.org/logrotate/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Summary &#160; &#160; : Rotates, compresses, removes and mails system log files
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; The logrotate utility is designed to simplify the administration of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; log files on a system which generates a lot of log files. &#160;Logrotate
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; allows for the automatic rotation compression, removal and mailing of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; log files. &#160;Logrotate can be set to handle a log file daily, weekly,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; monthly or when the log file gets to a certain size. &#160;Normally,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; logrotate runs as a daily cron job.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Install the logrotate package if you need a utility to deal with the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; log files on your system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ahmad &lt;ahmad&gt; 3.8.0-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 117993
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - Update to 3.8.0, fixes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; CVE-2011-1098
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; CVE-2011-1154
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; CVE-2011-1155
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - Drop patch0, fixed upstream
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - Add BR acl-devel and compile with WITH_ACL
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - Put 'make test' in a %check section
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> FWIW, I couldn't extract the commits from upstream SVN[1] that fixed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> those three CVE's (the upstream svn log isn't that clear to me..), so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can't backport the fixes to mga1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are patchs on redhat bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> CVE-2011-1098:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680798">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680798</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> CVE-2011-1154:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680796">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680796</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> CVE-2011-1155:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680797">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680797</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+OK, thanks.
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 15 mars 2011 21:30:05, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 15 mars 2011 &#224; 20:34 +0100, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 15 March 2011 20:21
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Because some people do not care about patents and using tainted stuff,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but do care about free licenses and do care about what it bring to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I do. Stormi do ( or seems to do ). And I think that given we decided
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> split PLF for that precise reason, there is more than 2 of us to care.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Putting tainted packages in nonfree just causes more confusion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> IMHO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As much as the reverse, it all depends on what you tell to people
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> about
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the repository, what they expect and what you prefer to highlight.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's exactly why I suggested earlier in this thread that we need an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> additional repo for 'tainted+non-free' packages, that's the only solution
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that would satisfy every preference people might have and at the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> time make things clear for everyone (packagers, mirror maintainers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> users).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Instead of moving stuff in non-free, you move them in non-free +
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tainted. That just bring more headaches, and more complexity.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's not a solution.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, that would be a real solution if we really wanted to flag those packages
+</I>&gt;<i> both as tainted and as non-free, as some people give more importance to the
+</I>&gt;<i> fact that it is tainted and others to the fact that it is non-free.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For now, I would propose either to put that package in non-free, explain to
+</I>&gt;<i> users that non-free packages may be tainted too, and envision after Mageia 1
+</I>&gt;<i> to add a new media if the current solution really doesn't work, and maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> require a meta-package from tainted OR put it in tainted, explain that
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted can contain non-free packages, and require a dummy package from non-
+</I>&gt;<i> free, as Anssi proposed (on a second thought, I think that second option is
+</I>&gt;<i> better).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can we reach a decision ? (add this question to the next packagers meeting ?)
+</I>*bump*
+As there was no decision reached, not even a concensus, how do we proceed now?
+As there is the next package (HandBrake) which also falls under both
+categories, tainted and non-free.
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+The option of moving such packages to non-free, and requiring a package from
+tainted (or vice-versa)
+which explains shortly via a README.urpmi about the problem, and to enable the
+missing repo,
+sounds not that bad. (If you really want to go that far.)
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+<PRE>The problem is libxcb is obsoleting libxcb-util0:
+$ rpm -qp --obsoletes libxcb-dpms0-1.7-1.mga1.i586.rpm
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+2011/7/6 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> I updated xcb-util and stupidly obsoleted the old libs (which have
+</I>&gt;<i> been merged in the one lib), this broke the BS.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First thing to do is rebuild startup-notification, but it fails, and I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't see why <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110706093849.ahmad.valstar.8189/log/startup-notification-0.12-2.mga2/install_deps-1.0.20110706093902.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110706093849.ahmad.valstar.8189/log/startup-notification-0.12-2.mga2/install_deps-1.0.20110706093902.log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64xcb-util0[== 0.3.8-1.mga2] should be available already from
+</I>&gt;<i> xcb-utils-0.3.8... so help!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
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+&gt;<i> The problem is libxcb is obsoleting libxcb-util0:
+</I>&gt;<i> $ rpm -qp --obsoletes libxcb-dpms0-1.7-1.mga1.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> libxcb-util0
+</I>&gt;<i> libxcb-util1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+So we need to bump the Epoch in xcb-util?
+
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/6 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I updated xcb-util and stupidly obsoleted the old libs (which have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> been merged in the one lib), this broke the BS.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> First thing to do is rebuild startup-notification, but it fails, and I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't see why <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110706093849.ahmad.valstar.8189/log/startup-notification-0.12-2.mga2/install_deps-1.0.20110706093902.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110706093849.ahmad.valstar.8189/log/startup-notification-0.12-2.mga2/install_deps-1.0.20110706093902.log</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64xcb-util0[== 0.3.8-1.mga2] should be available already from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> xcb-utils-0.3.8... so help!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
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+&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 12:00, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The problem is libxcb is obsoleting libxcb-util0:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ rpm -qp --obsoletes libxcb-dpms0-1.7-1.mga1.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libxcb-util0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libxcb-util1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So we need to bump the Epoch in xcb-util?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Or remove the old obsoletes from libxcb. I think removing the old
+obsoletes is better.
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+&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 12:00, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The problem is libxcb is obsoleting libxcb-util0:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ rpm -qp --obsoletes libxcb-dpms0-1.7-1.mga1.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libxcb-util0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libxcb-util1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So we need to bump the Epoch in xcb-util?
+</I>No, we need to drop libxcb's obsoletes at first. I guess will need to
+add some conflicts in libxcb-util so that it will upgrade libxcb at
+first when upgrading from previous distros.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/6 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I updated xcb-util and stupidly obsoleted the old libs (which have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> been merged in the one lib), this broke the BS.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> First thing to do is rebuild startup-notification, but it fails, and I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> don't see why <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110706093849.ahmad.valstar.8189/log/startup-notification-0.12-2.mga2/install_deps-1.0.20110706093902.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110706093849.ahmad.valstar.8189/log/startup-notification-0.12-2.mga2/install_deps-1.0.20110706093902.log</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64xcb-util0[== 0.3.8-1.mga2] should be available already from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> xcb-utils-0.3.8... so help!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/6 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 12:00, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The problem is libxcb is obsoleting libxcb-util0:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $ rpm -qp --obsoletes libxcb-dpms0-1.7-1.mga1.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libxcb-util0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libxcb-util1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So we need to bump the Epoch in xcb-util?
+</I>&gt;<i> No, we need to drop libxcb's obsoletes at first. I guess will need to
+</I>&gt;<i> add some conflicts in libxcb-util so that it will upgrade libxcb at
+</I>&gt;<i> first when upgrading from previous distros.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, (you probably missed my previous email), anyway, we may needn't
+add the obsoletes back, it was added 2years+ ago
+<A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=383043">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=383043</A>
+
+I'll try and check more thoroughly though.
+
+Thanks a bunch for the fix.
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+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/6 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I updated xcb-util and stupidly obsoleted the old libs (which have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> been merged in the one lib), this broke the BS.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> First thing to do is rebuild startup-notification, but it fails, and I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> don't see why <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110706093849.ahmad.valstar.8189/log/startup-notification-0.12-2.mga2/install_deps-1.0.20110706093902.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110706093849.ahmad.valstar.8189/log/startup-notification-0.12-2.mga2/install_deps-1.0.20110706093902.log</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64xcb-util0[== 0.3.8-1.mga2] should be available already from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> xcb-utils-0.3.8... so help!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>2011/7/5 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> fwang,
+</I>&gt;<i> mikala,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # urpmi kdegraphics4-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> The following package has to be removed for others to be upgraded:
+</I>&gt;<i> ksnapshot-4.6.90-1.mga2.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;(due to conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel[&lt;= 2:4.6.90]) (y/N)
+</I>
+The conflicts against kdegraphics4-devel was added because somes files
+were wrongly available in the &#171; old &#187; -devel package &amp; especially the
+-devel package was not expected to live again .
+
+&gt;<i> Or, the other way around:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # urmpi ksnapshot
+</I>&gt;<i> The following package has to be removed for others to be upgraded:
+</I>&gt;<i> kdegraphics4-devel-4.6.90-1.mga2.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;(due to conflicts with ksnapshot-4.6.90-1.mga2.i586) (y/N)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I admit I don't understand the new KDE 4.7 package &quot;fragmentation&quot; (why must they always change something upstream? I'm sick of this), but is this normal? I guess not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ksnapshot can coexist with kdegraphics4, but not with kdegraphics4-devel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>In fact kdegraphics4-devel should not exist anymore, i'll remove it
+from the kdegraphics4 meta package.
+You should directly install the -devel package you need to build your
+package from libksane-devel , libkipi-devel, libkexiv2-devel or
+libkdcraw-devel
+
+Fwang &gt; i can understand that you want to keep an empty metapackage
+(even if i'm personnaly not agree as said earlier) for kdegraphics,
+but why adding a -devel metapackage here j ?
+I also noticed you did the same things for kdeedu so i'll remove it too.
+
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+&gt;<i> Fwang &gt; i can understand that you want to keep an empty metapackage
+</I>&gt;<i> (even if i'm personnaly not agree as said earlier) &#160;for kdegraphics,
+</I>&gt;<i> but why adding a -devel metapackage here &#160;j ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I also noticed you did the same things for kdeedu so i'll remove it too.
+</I>Then please rebuild the relevant packages before doing this. And,
+obsoletes are not the correct place for solve such problems.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i> Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+&gt;<i> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such
+</I>&gt;<i> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. All non-free goes into non-free
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of
+</I>&gt;<i> licensing) will go into tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's all. Clear and simple.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The question about GPL or other free licenses is not touched by
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted. So, everything which does not have to go to tainted will go
+</I>&gt;<i> to free (core) or non-free, depending on it's status.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+But PLF had free and non-free repos, whereas we only have tainted; our
+tainted is equivalent to PLF free, not PLF non-free, IIUC.
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/6 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Fwang &gt; i can understand that you want to keep an empty metapackage
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (even if i'm personnaly not agree as said earlier) for kdegraphics,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but why adding a -devel metapackage here j ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I also noticed you did the same things for kdeedu so i'll remove it too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then please rebuild the relevant packages before doing this.
+</I>It was expected but you suddenly start to change things.
+&gt;<i> And,
+</I>&gt;<i> obsoletes are not the correct place for solve such problems.
+</I>ksnapshot don't have any obsoletes but a conflict (which is probably indeed
+too much but was not expected to add any problem if you were not pushing again
+the -devel package)
+Regarding others obsoletes i put them in a specific library (for each project
+kdegraphics4 &amp; kdeeedu4) because i wanted to drop them from BS too in the same
+way but you removed them on the same movement when you pushed by the -devel
+package.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> obsoletes are not the correct place for solve such problems.
+</I>&gt;<i> ksnapshot don't have any obsoletes but a conflict (which is probably
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+&gt;<i> indeed too much but was not expected to add any problem i
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+Sorry to bother you, but since this is both about an upgrade and a change of package names (albeit via a fragmentation/split), why isn't &quot;Obsoletes&quot; a better choice?
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+If I am not very wrong, technically &quot;Conflicts&quot; will cause the install/upgrade to fail and therefore forbids an installation/upgrade. Which is both annoying and it requires a multiple-step action from the end-user's part. In contrast, &quot;Obsoletes&quot; forces an upgrade to the new packages names, automatically removing the old packages.
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+While in principle &quot;Obsoletes&quot; doesn't prevent the end-user from reinstalling the old package(s), this is not desired anyway. I mean, it's not like &quot;kdesomething-4.6.4&quot; and &quot;kdesomesplitpackage-4.6.90&quot; would coexist on the same machine -- it's either you upgraded from KDE 4.6.4 to 4.6.90, or you didn't.
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+So I suppose you say &quot;Obsoletes&quot; is not the right thing to do _as a principle_ (as a principle, GOTO is considered harmful too), but why is it unsuitable for this very case of an evolving (cauldron) repository in a situation of a kinky upgrade?
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+Of course, I am still waiting for a mentor, so I might be very, very wrong in my understanding of &quot;Conflicts vs Obsoletes&quot;. What I believe I know is that &quot;Obsoletes&quot; makes things transparent for the end-user, whereas &quot;Conflicts&quot; looks like an error...
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+&gt;<i> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such
+</I>&gt;<i> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference:
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+</I>&gt;<i> 1. All non-free goes into non-free
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+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of
+</I>&gt;<i> licensing) will go into tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's all. Clear and simple.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Doesn't seem so. If even Anssi asks me where this package should go,
+maybe this is not clear to everybody. Also if you reread this thread,
+there is no concesus here. Also regarding Ahmads answer.
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+my question is anwered, and HandBrake should go to tainted.
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+&gt;<i> Am 06.07.2011 12:10, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. All non-free goes into non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> licensing) will go into tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's all. Clear and simple.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doesn't seem so. If even Anssi asks me where this package should go,
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe this is not clear to everybody. Also if you reread this thread,
+</I>&gt;<i> there is no concesus here. Also regarding Ahmads answer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But if you tell me that is the status quo, and the others also say so,
+</I>&gt;<i> my question is anwered, and HandBrake should go to tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If HandBrake has a bundled faac, then it shouldn't go anywhere in the
+official Mageia repos, unless the bundles faac is disabled.... IIUC.
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+<PRE>On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such
+</I>&gt;<i> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. All non-free goes into non-free
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+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of
+</I>&gt;<i> licensing) will go into tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's all. Clear and simple.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The question about GPL or other free licenses is not touched by
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted. So, everything which does not have to go to tainted will go
+</I>&gt;<i> to free (core) or non-free, depending on it's status.
+</I>
+Indeed. <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses</A>
+says:
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+&quot;The tainted section accepts software under a license that is might be
+free or open source and which cannot be redistributed publicly in
+certain areas in the world, or due to patents issues.&quot;
+
+Reformulating it in an other, more explicit way maybe:
+ - &quot;core&quot; hosts 100% free software that can be redistributed anywhere
+(or almost, the world is a bit more complicated than that)
+ - &quot;nonfree&quot; hosts non-free software that can be redistributed anywhere (same)
+ - &quot;tainted&quot; hosts all the rest, be it free software or not.
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+&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 12:08, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/6 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 12:00, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The problem is libxcb is obsoleting libxcb-util0:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $ rpm -qp --obsoletes libxcb-dpms0-1.7-1.mga1.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libxcb-util0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libxcb-util1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So we need to bump the Epoch in xcb-util?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, we need to drop libxcb's obsoletes at first. I guess will need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> add some conflicts in libxcb-util so that it will upgrade libxcb at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> first when upgrading from previous distros.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, (you probably missed my previous email), anyway, we may needn't
+</I>&gt;<i> add the obsoletes back, it was added 2years+ ago
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=383043">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=383043</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll try and check more thoroughly though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I checked using Sophie, and can't find libxcb-util.so* or libxcb-util0
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+&gt;<i> Thanks a bunch for the fix.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. All non-free goes into non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> licensing) will go into tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's all. Clear and simple.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The question about GPL or other free licenses is not touched by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tainted. So, everything which does not have to go to tainted will go
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to free (core) or non-free, depending on it's status.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed. <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> says:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;The tainted section accepts software under a license that is might be
+</I>&gt;<i> free or open source and which cannot be redistributed publicly in
+</I>&gt;<i> certain areas in the world, or due to patents issues.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Reformulating it in an other, more explicit way maybe:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;core&quot; hosts 100% free software that can be redistributed anywhere
+</I>&gt;<i> (or almost, the world is a bit more complicated than that)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;nonfree&quot; hosts non-free software that can be redistributed anywhere (same)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;tainted&quot; hosts all the rest, be it free software or not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Third point is wrong, &quot;a license that is might be free or open
+source&quot;, which, I think, means only software with an open source
+software License.
+
+Although the wording should be clearer / more precise.
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+&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. All non-free goes into non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> licensing) will go into tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's all. Clear and simple.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The question about GPL or other free licenses is not touched by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tainted. So, everything which does not have to go to tainted will go
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to free (core) or non-free, depending on it's status.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed. <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;The tainted section accepts software under a license that is might be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> free or open source and which cannot be redistributed publicly in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> certain areas in the world, or due to patents issues.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Reformulating it in an other, more explicit way maybe:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - &quot;core&quot; hosts 100% free software that can be redistributed anywhere
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (or almost, the world is a bit more complicated than that)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - &quot;nonfree&quot; hosts non-free software that can be redistributed anywhere (same)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - &quot;tainted&quot; hosts all the rest, be it free software or not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Third point is wrong, &quot;a license that is might be free or open
+</I>&gt;<i> source&quot;, which, I think, means only software with an open source
+</I>&gt;<i> software License.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Although the wording should be clearer / more precise.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The reason why we have tainted is, that there are patents, which
+restrain some user to use this software. So, it's a question of
+legality, which should get the higher priority. The differentiation if
+it's free or not-free is only a question of ideology.
+
+Therefore, for me the situation is very simple. If there are
+questionable patents for a software, we have to put it in tainted
+(otherwise we destroy the whole idea of core/non-free/tainted). There is
+no other option. We may can think about a tainted-free and
+tainted-nonfree (like PLF) but IMHO it's not needed and as long as we
+don't have such a repo, all tainted packages have to be put into tainted
+(no matter what license they use).
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+Regards,
+Thorsten
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+&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. All non-free goes into non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> licensing) will go into tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's all. Clear and simple.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The question about GPL or other free licenses is not touched by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tainted. So, everything which does not have to go to tainted will go
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to free (core) or non-free, depending on it's status.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed. <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;The tainted section accepts software under a license that is might be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> free or open source and which cannot be redistributed publicly in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> certain areas in the world, or due to patents issues.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Reformulating it in an other, more explicit way maybe:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;core&quot; hosts 100% free software that can be redistributed anywhere
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (or almost, the world is a bit more complicated than that)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;nonfree&quot; hosts non-free software that can be redistributed anywhere (same)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;tainted&quot; hosts all the rest, be it free software or not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Third point is wrong, &quot;a license that is might be free or open
+</I>&gt;<i> source&quot;, which, I think, means only software with an open source
+</I>&gt;<i> software License.
+</I>
+I understand this as: software that might be free or open source =&gt;
+can be not free or open source. &quot;might&quot; expressed the possibility, not
+the requirement. IOW, tainted does not discriminate free and non free
+software.
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+&gt;<i> Although the wording should be clearer / more precise.
+</I>
+Indeed.
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+Romain
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. All non-free goes into non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> licensing) will go into tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's all. Clear and simple.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The question about GPL or other free licenses is not touched by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tainted. So, everything which does not have to go to tainted will go
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to free (core) or non-free, depending on it's status.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed. <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> says:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;The tainted section accepts software under a license that is might be
+</I>&gt;<i> free or open source and which cannot be redistributed publicly in
+</I>&gt;<i> certain areas in the world, or due to patents issues.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Reformulating it in an other, more explicit way maybe:
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;core&quot; hosts 100% free software that can be redistributed anywhere
+</I>&gt;<i> (or almost, the world is a bit more complicated than that)
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;nonfree&quot; hosts non-free software that can be redistributed anywhere (same)
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> - &quot;tainted&quot; hosts all the rest, be it free software or not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't think that the last line is entirely consistent with what I
+understood was Mageia's commitment to provide a free distro for those
+users who want it. Such a user would have to investigate whether or not
+a tainted package was free or nonfree, or not use the tainted repo at all.
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+</I>&gt;<i> The reason why we have tainted is, that there are patents, which restrain
+</I>&gt;<i> some user to use this software. So, it's a question of legality, which
+</I>&gt;<i> should get the higher priority. The differentiation if it's free or
+</I>&gt;<i> not-free is only a question of ideology.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Therefore, for me the situation is very simple. If there are questionable
+</I>&gt;<i> patents for a software, we have to put it in tainted (otherwise we destroy
+</I>&gt;<i> the whole idea of core/non-free/tainted). There is no other option. We may
+</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 05/07/11 10:50 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;<i> I see packages like gstreamer0.10-soup installed as separate packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there any real gain from this split? Other than pulling in other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libraries etc, as it just causes potential problems for some packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that do not require it. e.g. totem and rhythmbox both reqire the -soup
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package but phonon-gstreamer does not (it should).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But really, should this library just be bundled into the main -good
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree about merging -soup, without it gst-based apps can't seem to
+</I>&gt;<i> play online streams, this is a basic functionality, I guess.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ditto for other &quot;overly split&quot; things, like the pulse plugin,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and the neon plugin in -bad....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I dunno about pulse, it would pull pulseaudio on users' systems (I
+</I>&gt;<i> know it's installed by default, but some do a minimal install and
+</I>&gt;<i> don't install pulse, even if the some of pulse libs are too dug deep
+</I>&gt;<i> down the whole stack :)).
+</I>
+Hmmm, gstreamer0.10-pulse requires &quot;pulseaudio &gt;= 0.9.7&quot;. Interesting.
+
+I'm not sure why (it could easily be installed on a system that does not
+have a PA daemon and operates as a thin client.
+
+Wonder if we should just drop that require and then the gst-pulse plugin
+only really requires libpulse which a *lot* of other things need anyway,
+and thus no additional stuff pulled in. WDYT?
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Has anyone sad down and thought about it a bit recently (here or in Mdv?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (I have to admit, I didn't sit down and think about it before). Here goes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ===========================
+</I>&gt;<i> -good:
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmf --sourcerpm gstreamer0.10-plugins-good | awk -F: '{print $1}'
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-caca
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-raw1394
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-soup
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-plugins-good
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-dv
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-wavpack
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-pulse
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-jack
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-speex
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-aalib
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-flac
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think these can be merged in addition to -soup:
+</I>&gt;<i> -flac, an open format, expected to work o-o-t-b, IMHO
+</I>&gt;<i> -jack, doesn't matter really, it won't pull any more requires as
+</I>&gt;<i> libjack.so.0 is deep in the stack anyway (just tested with urpme
+</I>&gt;<i> --test and it wanted to yank 174 packages).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As for the rest I am not sure, e.g. I've never used -wavpack, so I
+</I>&gt;<i> think they can remain split.
+</I>
+Perhaps, but I'm just not convinced of the value of a split generally.
+Sure you could argue that pulling in an extra lib here and there can
+count for a lot of disk space, but then we end up with various problems
+for other packages (like the soup issue - although granted, one as
+obvious as that will likely not crop up with the more subtle extras -
+until some user plugs in their dv video camera...... :p)
+
+&gt;<i> =========================
+</I>&gt;<i> -ugly looks OK to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmf --sourcerpm gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly | awk -F: '{print $1}'
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-sid
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-twolame
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-a52dec
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-cdio
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-mpeg
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Though merging -a52dec looks like a good idea given how widely used
+</I>&gt;<i> the AC-3 codec is.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ==========================
+</I>&gt;<i> I left the &quot;bad&quot; for last, they look OK too, each sub-package
+</I>&gt;<i> pulls/requires a different lib (e.g. rtmp -&gt; librtmp.so.0), I guess
+</I>&gt;<i> that's a good splitting criteria; I've never used -neon so I'll take
+</I>&gt;<i> your word for it :)
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmf --sourcerpm gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad | awk -F: '{print $1}' |
+</I>&gt;<i> grep -v lib
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-rtmp
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-nas
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-rsvg
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-soundtouch
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-musepack
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-gsm
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-resindvd
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-kate
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-neon
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-voip
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-jp2k
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-ladspa
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-doc
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-celt
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-schroedinger
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-mms
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-dc1394
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-directfb
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-dirac
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-ofa
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-wildmidi
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-gme
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-vdpau
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-mpeg2enc
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-vp8
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-cog
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-curl
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (A bit off-topic, I think -nas should be deprecated, NAS doesn't seem
+</I>&gt;<i> that used lately?).
+</I>
+Yeah it is a bit of a grab-bag of stuff, but again, should we still just
+bundle everything together anyway and sod the extra disk space needed?
+It would be a lot simpler for users (&quot;oh you need $foo? sure, just
+installed -ugly/-bad&quot;) which is advise they can get direct from upstream
+without having to know our particular packaging quirks.
+
+As someone who does upstream support for other projects, it's a pain to
+put caveats in all your advice for distros you don't know.
+
+That said, the trade off may be too much, hence the canvassing of
+opinions here :)
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+ Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
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+ <B>Michael scherer</B>
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+So after reading all the feedback on the topic of release, here
+are the conclusion of the discussion made by Anne and me :
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+- some people have expressed some concern about the fixed nature of the time based release.
+While it was obvious, we do not plan to release with serious bug, especially if they cannot be
+corrected after the release. And the whole question is to decide what is serious or not. I guess we can
+do some more formal review of bugs in the release period.
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+- despites trying to focus the discussion about the release cycle, the topic of the
+support was touched. However, without more data, we couldn't evaluate much the requirement
+in term of ressources.
+Yet, several people proposed to follow the ubuntu model with LTS, or the suse one
+with evergreen. As said before, this topic will be discussed soon ( likely once the backports one
+are finished ), and we hope to be able to have more information since official support
+was started. While the proposal is not even started, I guess it would be in the form of
+having 1 distribution support for a longer time every X release,
+and to try to take this in account for the features and softwares selected.
+
+- several persons on forum have also expressed the need for having a rock
+solid release, which &quot;simply&quot; translate to have enough test and bugfixes. Yet, this
+conflict with what some others persons wanted, ie newer softwares ( which by definition are
+less tested, and so may be more subject to bugs ). How to solve
+the dilemna is yet to be found, even if we have started with the current backport discussion.
+The previous point about support could be also relevant to such issues, and we will take this in account.
+
+- and to finish, after reading everything the consensus seemed to be around having 9 months
+for developpement was enough for a majority of people.
+
+Since we took one month for various things ( such as discussing everything ), we propose
+the next release to be on 4th april, and start the cycle today. This is in the middle
+of the week on purpose, to avoid the weekend.
+
+There is no exact planning yet ( so do not ask for now ), but it will be sent for next
+week ( if everything goes well ). Once the planning is decided, a proper announce ( blog, forums,
+etc ) should be done.
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+<PRE>On 6 July 2011 14:27, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 14:04, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. All non-free goes into non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> licensing) will go into tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's all. Clear and simple.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The question about GPL or other free licenses is not touched by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tainted. So, everything which does not have to go to tainted will go
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to free (core) or non-free, depending on it's status.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed. <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;The tainted section accepts software under a license that is might be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> free or open source and which cannot be redistributed publicly in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> certain areas in the world, or due to patents issues.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Reformulating it in an other, more explicit way maybe:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;core&quot; hosts 100% free software that can be redistributed anywhere
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (or almost, the world is a bit more complicated than that)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;nonfree&quot; hosts non-free software that can be redistributed anywhere (same)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;tainted&quot; hosts all the rest, be it free software or not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Third point is wrong, &quot;a license that is might be free or open
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> source&quot;, which, I think, means only software with an open source
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software License.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand this as: software that might be free or open source =&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> can be not free or open source. &quot;might&quot; expressed the possibility, not
+</I>&gt;<i> the requirement. IOW, tainted does not discriminate free and non free
+</I>&gt;<i> software.
+</I>
+It does differentiate; given that Anssi is the one who worked on the
+tainted policy the most, and he doesn't think faac should be in
+tainted, is enough to say that the wording in the wiki needs to
+express our stance on the issue in a clearer way...
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Although the wording should be clearer / more precise.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> Yeah it is a bit of a grab-bag of stuff, but again, should we still just
+</I>&gt;<i> bundle everything together anyway and sod the extra disk space needed?
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be a lot simpler for users (&quot;oh you need $foo? sure, just
+</I>&gt;<i> installed -ugly/-bad&quot;) which is advise they can get direct from upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> without having to know our particular packaging quirks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As someone who does upstream support for other projects, it's a pain to
+</I>&gt;<i> put caveats in all your advice for distros you don't know.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That said, the trade off may be too much, hence the canvassing of
+</I>&gt;<i> opinions here :)
+</I>
+I think there are only 2 solutions:
+- Add a meta package, e.g. gstreamer-codecs-all that can be used to make
+ sure all available codecs are installed. Some people complain about
+ &quot;bad&quot; and &quot;ugly&quot; so using those names more is not a good idea.
+- Use the packagekit gstreamer plugin, so players install the correct
+ plugins on demand.
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+Here is an interesting topic :).Texlive is one of the biggest package
+we have for now. Of course split is needed but we postponed it after
+Mageia 1 to have a look on it. Now here we go!
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+It needs first to have a look on the way we want to split it, Fedora
+one (zillions of sub-packages) or our own one based on the wau
+different components are used.
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+Comments, proposals welcome
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+<PRE>&#22312; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:09:30 +0800, Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is an interesting topic :).Texlive is one of the biggest package
+</I>&gt;<i> we have for now. Of course split is needed but we postponed it after
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 1 to have a look on it. Now here we go!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It needs first to have a look on the way we want to split it, Fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> one (zillions of sub-packages) or our own one based on the wau
+</I>&gt;<i> different components are used.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comments, proposals welcome
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+First: Which version? Texlive 2007 or later ones build on luaTex?
+
+I have heard that after 2008, building texlive is almost impossible....
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+<PRE>On 6 July 2011 14:40, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 05/07/11 10:50 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I see packages like gstreamer0.10-soup installed as separate packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is there any real gain from this split? Other than pulling in other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libraries etc, as it just causes potential problems for some packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that do not require it. e.g. totem and rhythmbox both reqire the -soup
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package but phonon-gstreamer does not (it should).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But really, should this library just be bundled into the main -good
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I agree about merging -soup, without it gst-based apps can't seem to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> play online streams, this is a basic functionality, I guess.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Ditto for other &quot;overly split&quot; things, like the pulse plugin,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and the neon plugin in -bad....
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I dunno about pulse, it would pull pulseaudio on users' systems (I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> know it's installed by default, but some do a minimal install and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't install pulse, even if the some of pulse libs are too dug deep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> down the whole stack :)).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmmm, gstreamer0.10-pulse requires &quot;pulseaudio &gt;= 0.9.7&quot;. Interesting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure why (it could easily be installed on a system that does not
+</I>&gt;<i> have a PA daemon and operates as a thin client.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wonder if we should just drop that require and then the gst-pulse plugin
+</I>&gt;<i> only really requires libpulse which a *lot* of other things need anyway,
+</I>&gt;<i> and thus no additional stuff pulled in. WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Indeed; and draksound will install pulseaudio when configuring the
+system to use pulse.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Has anyone sad down and thought about it a bit recently (here or in Mdv?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (I have to admit, I didn't sit down and think about it before). Here goes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===========================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -good:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ urpmf --sourcerpm gstreamer0.10-plugins-good | awk -F: '{print $1}'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-caca
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-raw1394
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-soup
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-plugins-good
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-dv
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-wavpack
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-pulse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-jack
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-speex
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-aalib
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-flac
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think these can be merged in addition to -soup:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -flac, an open format, expected to work o-o-t-b, IMHO
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -jack, doesn't matter really, it won't pull any more requires as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libjack.so.0 is deep in the stack anyway (just tested with urpme
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --test and it wanted to yank 174 packages).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As for the rest I am not sure, e.g. I've never used -wavpack, so I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think they can remain split.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps, but I'm just not convinced of the value of a split generally.
+</I>
+Me neither (split only when there's something to gain).
+
+&gt;<i> Sure you could argue that pulling in an extra lib here and there can
+</I>&gt;<i> count for a lot of disk space, but then we end up with various problems
+</I>&gt;<i> for other packages (like the soup issue - although granted, one as
+</I>&gt;<i> obvious as that will likely not crop up with the more subtle extras -
+</I>&gt;<i> until some user plugs in their dv video camera...... :p)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> =========================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -ugly looks OK to me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ urpmf --sourcerpm gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly | awk -F: '{print $1}'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-sid
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-twolame
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-a52dec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-cdio
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-mpeg
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Though merging -a52dec looks like a good idea given how widely used
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the AC-3 codec is.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ==========================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I left the &quot;bad&quot; for last, they look OK too, each sub-package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pulls/requires a different lib (e.g. rtmp -&gt; librtmp.so.0), I guess
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that's a good splitting criteria; I've never used -neon so I'll take
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> your word for it :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ urpmf --sourcerpm gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad | awk -F: '{print $1}' |
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> grep -v lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-rtmp
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-nas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-rsvg
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-soundtouch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-musepack
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-gsm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-resindvd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-kate
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-neon
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-voip
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-jp2k
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-ladspa
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-doc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-celt
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-schroedinger
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-mms
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-dc1394
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-directfb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-dirac
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-ofa
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-wildmidi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-gme
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-vdpau
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-mpeg2enc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-vp8
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-cog
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-curl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (A bit off-topic, I think -nas should be deprecated, NAS doesn't seem
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that used lately?).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah it is a bit of a grab-bag of stuff, but again, should we still just
+</I>&gt;<i> bundle everything together anyway and sod the extra disk space needed?
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be a lot simpler for users (&quot;oh you need $foo? sure, just
+</I>&gt;<i> installed -ugly/-bad&quot;) which is advise they can get direct from upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> without having to know our particular packaging quirks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As someone who does upstream support for other projects, it's a pain to
+</I>&gt;<i> put caveats in all your advice for distros you don't know.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That said, the trade off may be too much, hence the canvassing of
+</I>&gt;<i> opinions here :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It would simplify things, for sure (though merging all those ones
+feels a bit queasy). Maybe we could experiment just to have some
+numbers, by installing all gst-{bad,ugly} in a clean chroot,
+respectively, and see how much more disk space that would eat (I could
+do that later on today or tomorrow).
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>On 6 July 2011 15:09, Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 6 Jul 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah it is a bit of a grab-bag of stuff, but again, should we still just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bundle everything together anyway and sod the extra disk space needed?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would be a lot simpler for users (&quot;oh you need $foo? sure, just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed -ugly/-bad&quot;) which is advise they can get direct from upstream
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> without having to know our particular packaging quirks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As someone who does upstream support for other projects, it's a pain to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> put caveats in all your advice for distros you don't know.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That said, the trade off may be too much, hence the canvassing of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> opinions here :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think there are only 2 solutions:
+</I>&gt;<i> - Add a meta package, e.g. gstreamer-codecs-all that can be used to make
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;sure all available codecs are installed. Some people complain about
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;&quot;bad&quot; and &quot;ugly&quot; so using those names more is not a good idea.
+</I>
+But that's how upstream calls them, hiding them won't work, since
+they're too popular already.
+
+FWIW, there's gstreamer0.10-decoders, a meta package in mdv (not
+imported yet in Mageia).
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+&gt;<i> - Use the packagekit gstreamer plugin, so players install the correct
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;plugins on demand.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+ATM it doesn't work, the urpmi backend needs some love..
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;Christiaan
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> &#22312; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:09:30 +0800, Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is an interesting topic :).Texlive is one of the biggest package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we have for now. Of course split is needed but we postponed it after
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 1 to have a look on it. Now here we go!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It needs first to have a look on the way we want to split it, Fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one (zillions of sub-packages) or our own one based on the wau
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> different components are used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Comments, proposals welcome
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First: Which version? Texlive 2007 or later ones build on luaTex?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have heard that after 2008, building texlive is almost impossible....
+</I>
+Texlive 2010 is already available in mageia, so I believe this is about
+improving the existing package(s). That consists mostly of splitting up
+texlive-texmf(?), but maybe also adding a dependency on a minimal set of
+fonts to texlive. Currently the texmf subpackage can be removed while most
+of the programs in the texlive package are probably useless without fonts.
+
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+ Christiaan
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+<PRE>2011/7/6 Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 6 Jul 2011, Kira wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#22312; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:09:30 +0800, Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Here is an interesting topic :).Texlive is one of the biggest package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we have for now. Of course split is needed but we postponed it after
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 1 to have a look on it. Now here we go!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It needs first to have a look on the way we want to split it, Fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> one (zillions of sub-packages) or our own one based on the wau
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> different components are used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Comments, proposals welcome
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> First: Which version? Texlive 2007 or later ones build on luaTex?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have heard that after 2008, building texlive is almost impossible....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Texlive 2010 is already available in mageia, so I believe this is about
+</I>&gt;<i> improving the existing package(s). That consists mostly of splitting up
+</I>&gt;<i> texlive-texmf(?), but maybe also adding a dependency on a minimal set of
+</I>&gt;<i> fonts to texlive. Currently the texmf subpackage can be removed while most
+</I>&gt;<i> of the programs in the texlive package are probably useless without fonts.
+</I>
+Indeed. Package is for now much too monolitic which does not help to
+reduce size of some installs.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;Christiaan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 14:27, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I understand this as: software that might be free or open source =&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can be not free or open source. &quot;might&quot; expressed the possibility, not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the requirement. IOW, tainted does not discriminate free and non free
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It does differentiate; given that Anssi is the one who worked on the
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted policy the most, and he doesn't think faac should be in
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted, is enough to say that the wording in the wiki needs to
+</I>&gt;<i> express our stance on the issue in a clearer way...
+</I>
+Ok, fine then, fix this in the definition on the wiki. But make sure
+to explicit what becomes of software that is non free and questionable
+regarding patents (id est, it goes nowhere), so that the layout is
+clearer (here with a changed triage):
+ - &quot;core&quot;: 100% free software
+ - &quot;tainted&quot;: 100% free software, but locally subject to software
+patents or local legal terms
+ - &quot;nonfree&quot;: non-free software
+ - nowhere, we don't package/distribute this: non-free software, for
+which we may still have the source code or binaries, and a license to
+redistribute from author but patent law or other local provision may
+prevent to redistribute it anyway.
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+(I am not taking sides here, just re-explaining your understanding)
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 6 juillet 2011 15:30:30, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there
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+</I>&gt;<i> Here are the topics for tonight's meeting at 19h UTC on #mageia-dev
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - release cycle, backports policies
+</I>&gt;<i> - starting implementing specifications for Mageia2
+</I>&gt;<i> - review of mentoring (andre555)
+</I>&gt;<i> - review of secteam (stewb)
+</I>&gt;<i> - support of Mageia 1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>
+I wont be able to attend this meeting which promises to be very interesting.
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+<PRE>2011/7/6 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 14:27, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 14:04, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. All non-free goes into non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> licensing) will go into tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's all. Clear and simple.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The question about GPL or other free licenses is not touched by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tainted. So, everything which does not have to go to tainted will go
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to free (core) or non-free, depending on it's status.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed. <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;The tainted section accepts software under a license that is might be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> free or open source and which cannot be redistributed publicly in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> certain areas in the world, or due to patents issues.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Reformulating it in an other, more explicit way maybe:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;core&quot; hosts 100% free software that can be redistributed anywhere
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (or almost, the world is a bit more complicated than that)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;nonfree&quot; hosts non-free software that can be redistributed anywhere (same)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;tainted&quot; hosts all the rest, be it free software or not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Third point is wrong, &quot;a license that is might be free or open
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> source&quot;, which, I think, means only software with an open source
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software License.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I understand this as: software that might be free or open source =&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can be not free or open source. &quot;might&quot; expressed the possibility, not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the requirement. IOW, tainted does not discriminate free and non free
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It does differentiate; given that Anssi is the one who worked on the
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted policy the most, and he doesn't think faac should be in
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted, is enough to say that the wording in the wiki needs to
+</I>&gt;<i> express our stance on the issue in a clearer way...
+</I>
+The point we made when discussing these issues was:
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+ - to provide a section where people who only want free software can
+have all free software (core)
+ - to provide a section where people who want non-free software
+(mainly proprietary drivers, plugins, codecs) can have their drivers,
+plugins, whatever (non-free)
+ - to provide a section where we can put software which may be illegal
+to use in certain countries (some codecs, libdvdcss2, etc.), so users
+and mirror maintainers in such countries can decide for themselves to
+use this or not (tainted)
+
+That's all. Now saying that faac should not be in tainted, where
+should it go if not in tainted? How does faac differ to other software
+which is in tainted? The only reason it should not be in tainted would
+be that we can not distribute it at all.
+This brings us back to the core of the discussion what kind of
+software Mageia should or should not provide.
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+A few package updates need testing on x86_64 (they have been tested on
+i586, thanks to Dave Hodgins) :
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1944">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1944</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1485">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1485</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1892">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1892</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1939</A>
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+<PRE>2011/7/6 nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A few package updates need testing on x86_64 (they have been tested on
+</I>&gt;<i> i586, thanks to Dave Hodgins) :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1944">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1944</A>
+</I>
+Successfully tested on Mageia 1 x86_64
+(reported also in the bug report)
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 6 juillet 2011 18:12:44, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A few package updates need testing on x86_64 (they have been tested on
+</I>&gt;<i> i586, thanks to Dave Hodgins) :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1944">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1944</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1485">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1485</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1892">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1892</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1939</A>
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+All tested, but without a testcase, some are hard to test.
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 05 juli 2011 01:15:52 schreef Eugeni Dodonov:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 16:57, Maarten Vanraes
+</I>&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Op maandag 04 juli 2011 20:31:41 schreef Dexter Morgan:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Maarten Vanraes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; But skype was available for PWP, which i have.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; read again what misc wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - a package was present in Mandriva 2010.1/2 ( and only in Mandriva,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; not in 3rd party repository, not cooker )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; skype wasn't in main nor contrib
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; yes, again...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it was in PWP (ie: the powerpack version? which _IS_ from mandriva? which
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; had
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a _restricted_ repository? _not_ 3rd party???
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i don't see where i'm misreading anything here...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps Anne could clarify it better than I, but I think that you are
+</I>&gt;<i> misreading the part that Powerpack is/was part of Mandriva distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i> Powerpack media is *not* part of Mandriva distribution, it is a separate
+</I>&gt;<i> 3rd-party media (which happens to come from same company, but it is not
+</I>&gt;<i> part of Mandriva distribution), with access allowed only to paying
+</I>&gt;<i> customers, which is not shared with the Mandriva distribution.
+</I>
+oic, so you're saying restricted was not a Mandriva distribution repository,
+but a 3rd party repository from the Mandriva company?
+
+Well, if it's like this, i do agree... but it isn't/wasn't all that clear to
+me as a customer of Mandriva.
+
+Thanks for clarifying this now.
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 06 juli 2011 14:44:07 schreef Michael scherer:
+&gt;<i> Hi
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+</I>&gt;<i> So after reading all the feedback on the topic of release, here
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+ <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B>
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+<PRE>2011/7/6 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 15:09, Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 6 Jul 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah it is a bit of a grab-bag of stuff, but again, should we still just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> bundle everything together anyway and sod the extra disk space needed?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It would be a lot simpler for users (&quot;oh you need $foo? sure, just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installed -ugly/-bad&quot;) which is advise they can get direct from upstream
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> without having to know our particular packaging quirks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As someone who does upstream support for other projects, it's a pain to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> put caveats in all your advice for distros you don't know.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That said, the trade off may be too much, hence the canvassing of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> opinions here :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think there are only 2 solutions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Add a meta package, e.g. gstreamer-codecs-all that can be used to make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;sure all available codecs are installed. Some people complain about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;&quot;bad&quot; and &quot;ugly&quot; so using those names more is not a good idea.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But that's how upstream calls them, hiding them won't work, since
+</I>&gt;<i> they're too popular already.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> FWIW, there's gstreamer0.10-decoders, a meta package in mdv (not
+</I>&gt;<i> imported yet in Mageia).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Use the packagekit gstreamer plugin, so players install the correct
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;plugins on demand.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ATM it doesn't work, the urpmi backend needs some love..
+</I>I've already given it the tender, love &amp; care required already:
+<A HREF="https://gitorious.org/+rpm5distro/packagekit/rpm5distro-packagekit">https://gitorious.org/+rpm5distro/packagekit/rpm5distro-packagekit</A>
+
+I *think* the backend itself should be working (ie. 'pkcon what-provides'
+behaves as expected), but when testing it with ie. totem, it'll fail installing.
+
+I kinda assumed I was the one to blame, but after discussing with packagekit
+upstream devs, they suspected it rather was kpackagekit in cooker that might
+be to blame for it's failure as the urpmi backend seemed to be okay..
+
+I was just starting to poke around with gnome-packagekit before leaving the
+office today, so I haven't verified it to work with it, but perhaps
+some of you'll
+beat me to it before I get into work tomorrow..? :)
+
+Note: I've implemented several other features &amp; filters missing from the backend
+as well while at it, and I cannot guarantee that I haven't broken anything with
+older urpmi/URPM versions (I've tried not to and even fixed my code later on
+where I've realized doign so), so lemme know if anything breaks for ya..
+(Of course, it would be *way* easier to coordinate any slightest change or what
+not with someone remotely interested in communicating)
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+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+&gt;<i> Name : gnome-control-center Relocations: (not relocatable)
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+</I>&gt;<i> cjw &lt;cjw&gt; 3.1.3-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 118992
+</I>&gt;<i> - 3.1.3
+</I>There's a file conflicts with gnome-color-manager :
+ file /usr/lib64/control-center-1/panels/libcolor.so from install of gnome-
+control-center-3.1.3-2.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from package gnome-
+color-manager-3.0.0-1.mga2.x86_64
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+Regards,
+--
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 06 July 2011 10:45:16 Mageia Team wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name : gnome-settings-daemon Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 3.1.3 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Wed Jul 6 10:42:17
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Graphical desktop/GNOME Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 1355472 License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.gnome.org/">http://www.gnome.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : GNOME Settings Daemon
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> GNOME settings daemon manages the configuration of the desktop in the
+</I>&gt;<i> background.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cjw &lt;cjw&gt; 3.1.3-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 119250
+</I>&gt;<i> - add BuildRequires: lcms2-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> - add BuildRequires: libcolord-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> - 3.1.3
+</I>There's a file conflicts with gnome-color-manager :
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+file /usr/lib64/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/color.gnome-settings-plugin from
+install of gnome-settings-daemon-3.1.3-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+package gnome-color-manager-3.0.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/lib64/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/libcolor.so from install of
+gnome-settings-daemon-3.1.3-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+gnome-color-manager-3.0.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.settings-
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+daemon-3.1.3-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from package gnome-color-
+manager-3.0.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+
+Regards,
+
+--
+Balcaen John
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+<PRE>On 06.07.2011 16:04, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 14:27, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 14:04, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. All non-free goes into non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> licensing) will go into tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's all. Clear and simple.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The question about GPL or other free licenses is not touched by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tainted. So, everything which does not have to go to tainted will go
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to free (core) or non-free, depending on it's status.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed. <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;The tainted section accepts software under a license that is might be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> free or open source and which cannot be redistributed publicly in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> certain areas in the world, or due to patents issues.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Reformulating it in an other, more explicit way maybe:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - &quot;core&quot; hosts 100% free software that can be redistributed anywhere
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (or almost, the world is a bit more complicated than that)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - &quot;nonfree&quot; hosts non-free software that can be redistributed anywhere (same)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - &quot;tainted&quot; hosts all the rest, be it free software or not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Third point is wrong, &quot;a license that is might be free or open
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> source&quot;, which, I think, means only software with an open source
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software License.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I understand this as: software that might be free or open source =&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can be not free or open source. &quot;might&quot; expressed the possibility, not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the requirement. IOW, tainted does not discriminate free and non free
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It does differentiate; given that Anssi is the one who worked on the
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted policy the most, and he doesn't think faac should be in
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted, is enough to say that the wording in the wiki needs to
+</I>&gt;<i> express our stance on the issue in a clearer way...
+</I>
+I don't remember saying that. Any consistent solution is acceptable to
+me (including put-in-nonfree, put-in-tainted, put-in-nowhere).
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+There was opposition (from e.g. misc) to having nonfree stuff in
+tainted, though.
+
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 04 juillet 2011 &#224; 14:12 +0200, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>
+&gt;<i> In order to discuss details in a more open fashion , a meeting have been
+</I>&gt;<i> planed for 6 juillet, in the afternoon around 13h UTC ( paris time, 15h
+</I>&gt;<i> ). We will use #mageia-meeting, and the goal is :
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) see who is interested by arm ( if you are but cannot be there, please
+</I>&gt;<i> say it on irc )
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) see if the task decided for the previous IRL meeting have been caried
+</I>
+So, no one came :(
+( I blame the time we chose ).
+
+Anyway, discussing with rtp, he told me :
+- there is some issue with the pandaboard ( like oom killer without much
+reason )
+- there is also some issue if we have external power and usb on the go
+
+So maybe we need to find another way to discuss this than irc ?
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2011/7/6 Michael scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So after reading all the feedback on the topic of release, here
+</I>&gt;<i> are the conclusion of the discussion made by Anne and me :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Good and (AFAIK) comprehensive summary!
+Now let's see what the &quot;backport discussion&quot; will produce.
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+ <B>David W. Hodgins</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 08:44:07 -0400, Michael scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Since we took one month for various things ( such as discussing everything ), we propose
+</I>&gt;<i> the next release to be on 4th april, and start the cycle today. This is in the middle
+</I>&gt;<i> of the week on purpose, to avoid the weekend.
+</I>
+Wasn't there a request some time ago to consider releasing just before the end of a month
+so people with monthly limits could choose to use up their current month's limit, or wait,
+depending on how close they were to the limit?
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+Can we get some more people testing etracer please?
+
+As per <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=616">https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=616</A> there is a
+problem with the fonts when I run it on my Mageia 1 install.
+
+I doesn't happen on my Cauldron install (I haven't been able to
+figure out why), or for anyone else participating in the bug report.
+
+If it works for most, without the font problem, I'm inclined to think
+it should go ahead into backports, and I'll open a separate bug
+report for the font problem.
+
+If others are seeing the font problem, then I think it should be
+held until we can figure out the cause, as it makes the game
+unplayable.
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+<PRE>Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 06.07.2011 16:04, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 14:27, Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 14:04, Ahmad Samir&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. All non-free goes into non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> licensing) will go into tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's all. Clear and simple.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The question about GPL or other free licenses is not touched by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tainted. So, everything which does not have to go to tainted will go
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to free (core) or non-free, depending on it's status.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed. <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;The tainted section accepts software under a license that is might be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> free or open source and which cannot be redistributed publicly in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> certain areas in the world, or due to patents issues.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Reformulating it in an other, more explicit way maybe:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - &quot;core&quot; hosts 100% free software that can be redistributed anywhere
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (or almost, the world is a bit more complicated than that)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - &quot;nonfree&quot; hosts non-free software that can be redistributed anywhere (same)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - &quot;tainted&quot; hosts all the rest, be it free software or not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Third point is wrong, &quot;a license that is might be free or open
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> source&quot;, which, I think, means only software with an open source
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software License.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I understand this as: software that might be free or open source =&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can be not free or open source. &quot;might&quot; expressed the possibility, not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the requirement. IOW, tainted does not discriminate free and non free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It does differentiate; given that Anssi is the one who worked on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tainted policy the most, and he doesn't think faac should be in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tainted, is enough to say that the wording in the wiki needs to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> express our stance on the issue in a clearer way...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't remember saying that. Any consistent solution is acceptable to
+</I>&gt;<i> me (including put-in-nonfree, put-in-tainted, put-in-nowhere).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There was opposition (from e.g. misc) to having nonfree stuff in
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted, though.
+</I>
+This discussion reminds me of the recent Oracle claims of patent infringement
+against Google, over Google's use of Java in Android.
+These patents were all issued by the US patent office.
+Google referred about 100 of these claims to the patent office for evaluation.
+The patent office invalidated all but 17.
+And these 17 may yet be invalidated by the courts.
+
+Google has not yet referred many other of the patent claims for examination by
+the patent office.
+
+So patent claims only _potentially_ result in legal problems. (As well as only
+in a few countries.)
+Which makes me think that the free/non-free distinction is probably much more
+important.
+
+My 2 cents :)
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+<PRE>Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 15:09, Christiaan Welvaart&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 6 Jul 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah it is a bit of a grab-bag of stuff, but again, should we still just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> bundle everything together anyway and sod the extra disk space needed?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It would be a lot simpler for users (&quot;oh you need $foo? sure, just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installed -ugly/-bad&quot;) which is advise they can get direct from upstream
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> without having to know our particular packaging quirks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As someone who does upstream support for other projects, it's a pain to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> put caveats in all your advice for distros you don't know.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That said, the trade off may be too much, hence the canvassing of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> opinions here :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think there are only 2 solutions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Add a meta package, e.g. gstreamer-codecs-all that can be used to make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure all available codecs are installed. Some people complain about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;bad&quot; and &quot;ugly&quot; so using those names more is not a good idea.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But that's how upstream calls them, hiding them won't work, since
+</I>&gt;<i> they're too popular already.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> FWIW, there's gstreamer0.10-decoders, a meta package in mdv (not
+</I>&gt;<i> imported yet in Mageia).
+</I>
+I like better using a meta package for &quot;bad&quot; and &quot;ugly&quot;.
+And I don't mind the names.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Christiaan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>2011/7/7 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 06.07.2011 16:04, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 14:27, Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; &#160;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 14:04, Ahmad Samir&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; &#160;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. All non-free goes into non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> licensing) will go into tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's all. Clear and simple.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The question about GPL or other free licenses is not touched by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tainted. So, everything which does not have to go to tainted will go
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to free (core) or non-free, depending on it's status.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;The tainted section accepts software under a license that is might be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> free or open source and which cannot be redistributed publicly in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> certain areas in the world, or due to patents issues.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Reformulating it in an other, more explicit way maybe:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;core&quot; hosts 100% free software that can be redistributed anywhere
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (or almost, the world is a bit more complicated than that)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;nonfree&quot; hosts non-free software that can be redistributed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> anywhere (same)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;tainted&quot; hosts all the rest, be it free software or not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Third point is wrong, &quot;a license that is might be free or open
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> source&quot;, which, I think, means only software with an open source
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software License.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I understand this as: software that might be free or open source =&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can be not free or open source. &quot;might&quot; expressed the possibility, not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the requirement. IOW, tainted does not discriminate free and non free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It does differentiate; given that Anssi is the one who worked on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tainted policy the most, and he doesn't think faac should be in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tainted, is enough to say that the wording in the wiki needs to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> express our stance on the issue in a clearer way...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't remember saying that. Any consistent solution is acceptable to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> me (including put-in-nonfree, put-in-tainted, put-in-nowhere).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There was opposition (from e.g. misc) to having nonfree stuff in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tainted, though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This discussion reminds me of the recent Oracle claims of patent
+</I>&gt;<i> infringement against Google, over Google's use of Java in Android.
+</I>&gt;<i> These patents were all issued by the US patent office.
+</I>&gt;<i> Google referred about 100 of these claims to the patent office for
+</I>&gt;<i> evaluation.
+</I>&gt;<i> The patent office invalidated all but 17.
+</I>&gt;<i> And these 17 may yet be invalidated by the courts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Google has not yet referred many other of the patent claims for examination
+</I>&gt;<i> by the patent office.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So patent claims only _potentially_ result in legal problems. (As well as
+</I>&gt;<i> only in a few countries.)
+</I>
+&quot;potentially&quot; and &quot;only in a few countries&quot; are not valid arguments -
+especially for those who live in such countries.
+
+&gt;<i> Which makes me think that the free/non-free distinction is probably much
+</I>&gt;<i> more important.
+</I>
+I must admit I do not understand the cause of this discussion, maybe I
+am thinking in too simple ways. Free goes in core, non-free goes in
+non-free. If a non-free software has a restrictive license it goes in
+tainted. A free software can not have a restrictive license, if it has
+it is not free and goes in tainted.
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+ <B>Remco Rijnders</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 07:47:49PM -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:
+&gt;<i>On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 08:44:07 -0400, Michael scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>Since we took one month for various things ( such as discussing everything ), we propose
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>the next release to be on 4th april, and start the cycle today. This is in the middle
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>of the week on purpose, to avoid the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Wasn't there a request some time ago to consider releasing just before the end of a month
+</I>&gt;<i>so people with monthly limits could choose to use up their current month's limit, or wait,
+</I>&gt;<i>depending on how close they were to the limit?
+</I>
+I don't recall seeing such a discussion... but I think we are now drifting
+too far off... I think the number of persons for which this is an issue is
+really limited and any date that we pick will be somewhat arbitrarily.
+
+That said, I believe April 1st will satisfy everyone as:
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+- It is exactly 10 months after the first release;
+- People will have the entire month to decide if they want to up their
+ month's limit or not;
+- Some people will only realise at the end of the month that the release
+ was for real and not an April fools joke so they won't have this dilemma;
+- The release of mga2 will coincide with my nieces second birthday.
+
+Kind regards,
+
+Remco
+
+PS. Please take this entire post with a grain of salt :-)
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+<PRE>On 6 July 2011 21:54, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 06.07.2011 16:04, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 14:27, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 14:04, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. All non-free goes into non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Software which may be illegal in some countries (mostly because of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> licensing) will go into tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's all. Clear and simple.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The question about GPL or other free licenses is not touched by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tainted. So, everything which does not have to go to tainted will go
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to free (core) or non-free, depending on it's status.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed. <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;The tainted section accepts software under a license that is might be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> free or open source and which cannot be redistributed publicly in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> certain areas in the world, or due to patents issues.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Reformulating it in an other, more explicit way maybe:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;core&quot; hosts 100% free software that can be redistributed anywhere
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (or almost, the world is a bit more complicated than that)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;nonfree&quot; hosts non-free software that can be redistributed anywhere (same)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- &quot;tainted&quot; hosts all the rest, be it free software or not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Third point is wrong, &quot;a license that is might be free or open
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> source&quot;, which, I think, means only software with an open source
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software License.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I understand this as: software that might be free or open source =&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can be not free or open source. &quot;might&quot; expressed the possibility, not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the requirement. IOW, tainted does not discriminate free and non free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It does differentiate; given that Anssi is the one who worked on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tainted policy the most, and he doesn't think faac should be in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tainted, is enough to say that the wording in the wiki needs to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> express our stance on the issue in a clearer way...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't remember saying that. Any consistent solution is acceptable to
+</I>&gt;<i> me (including put-in-nonfree, put-in-tainted, put-in-nowhere).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There was opposition (from e.g. misc) to having nonfree stuff in
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted, though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sorry, didn't mean to put words in your mouth; What I meant was, the
+current policy, from what I understood (and what you said in the
+thread about handbrake, and in the faac package request bug report)
+said tainted doesn't have nonfree software.
+
+I am not opposed to getting faac in the repos, but things should be
+clear about what goes where, IINM one thing we all agreed on was that
+there was no consistency about the enabled codecs in mdv, and that
+since we're starting afresh things should be clear.
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+Ahmad Samir
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+system default db 4.8, and only builds those packages which really
+require db5 against db5.1.
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+2011/7/7 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
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+&gt;<i> I must admit I do not understand the cause of this discussion, maybe I
+</I>&gt;<i> am thinking in too simple ways. Free goes in core, non-free goes in
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free. If a non-free software has a restrictive license it goes in
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted. A free software can not have a restrictive license, if it has
+</I>&gt;<i> it is not free and goes in tainted.
+</I>
+Tainted is not about restrictive license but patents. A free software
+can have a free license, but do something which is maybe patented.
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+<PRE>2011/7/7 nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I must admit I do not understand the cause of this discussion, maybe I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> am thinking in too simple ways. Free goes in core, non-free goes in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-free. If a non-free software has a restrictive license it goes in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tainted. A free software can not have a restrictive license, if it has
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it is not free and goes in tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tainted is not about restrictive license but patents. A free software
+</I>&gt;<i> can have a free license, but do something which is maybe patented.
+</I>
+Yes, right. I made a mistake there - just replace &quot;restrictive
+license&quot; with &quot;patents&quot; in my sentence.
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+ <B>James Kerr</B>
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 07:47:49PM -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 08:44:07 -0400, Michael scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Since we took one month for various things ( such as discussing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> everything ), we propose
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the next release to be on 4th april, and start the cycle today. This
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is in the middle
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of the week on purpose, to avoid the weekend.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wasn't there a request some time ago to consider releasing just before
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the end of a month
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so people with monthly limits could choose to use up their current
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> month's limit, or wait,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> depending on how close they were to the limit?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't recall seeing such a discussion... but I think we are now
+</I>&gt;<i> drifting too far off... I think the number of persons for which this is
+</I>&gt;<i> an issue is really limited and any date that we pick will be somewhat
+</I>&gt;<i> arbitrarily.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=984">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=984</A>
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+I believe that monthly download quotas are quite common in some
+countries, although the &quot;month&quot; to which the quota applies is not always
+a calendar month. My quota, for example, is re-set on my billing date,
+which is not the first day of the month.
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+I have no idea how many people have quotas that renew on the first of
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+<PRE>On Wed, 06 Jul 2011, Jos&#233; Jorge wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 6 juillet 2011 18:12:44, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A few package updates need testing on x86_64 (they have been tested on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i586, thanks to Dave Hodgins) :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1944">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1944</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1485">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1485</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1892">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1892</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1939</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All tested, but without a testcase, some are hard to test.
+</I>
+Yes, testcase need to be done for each package. Maybe we could have a
+wiki page to save all test cases, and use them when the same package is
+updated again ?
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Damien Lallement wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> security, qa and sysadmin team worked on the qa/updates process to provide
+</I>&gt;<i> updates as soon as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> All is now ready (boklm is finalizing a scrip to move updates from
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;testing&quot; to &quot;updates&quot;). This script will be uses by security team members
+</I>&gt;<i> and a few QA people to push updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can now read:
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_updates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_updates</A>
+</I>
+I have some questions about updates process :
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+The page says to assign bug after validation :
+Assign the bug to <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">security at groups.mageia.org</A> if it's a security update
+(check that <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">qa-bugs at ml.mageia.org</A> is in 'CC')
+Let it assigned to <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">qa-bugs at ml.mageia.org</A> if it's a standard update
+
+Is it usefull to assign differently for security and non-security
+updates ?
+
+Could we add a keyword &quot;validated_update&quot; to bugs that are ready to be
+moved to updates, so they can be found easily ?
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+<PRE>Le 07/07/2011 14:18, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 06 Jul 2011, Jos&#233; Jorge wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 6 juillet 2011 18:12:44, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A few package updates need testing on x86_64 (they have been tested on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i586, thanks to Dave Hodgins) :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1944">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1944</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1485">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1485</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1892">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1892</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1939</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All tested, but without a testcase, some are hard to test.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, testcase need to be done for each package. Maybe we could have a
+</I>&gt;<i> wiki page to save all test cases, and use them when the same package is
+</I>&gt;<i> updated again ?
+</I>
+No need to put this on the wiki as it will be useless for 90% of them as
+an update request must have a test case for the bug fixed, not for the
+whole package.
+So for me, it will be better if packagers follow the update policy and
+provide a testcase for each package.
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+Dams
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+&gt;<i> Le 07/07/2011 14:18, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 06 Jul 2011, Jos&#233; Jorge wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 6 juillet 2011 18:12:44, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A few package updates need testing on x86_64 (they have been tested on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i586, thanks to Dave Hodgins) :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1944">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1944</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1485">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1485</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1892">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1892</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1939</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All tested, but without a testcase, some are hard to test.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, testcase need to be done for each package. Maybe we could have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wiki page to save all test cases, and use them when the same package is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updated again ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No need to put this on the wiki as it will be useless for 90% of them as an
+</I>&gt;<i> update request must have a test case for the bug fixed, not for the whole
+</I>&gt;<i> package.
+</I>
+Yes, for the test about the bug fixed. But isn't there tests to check for
+regressions ?
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+<PRE>Le 07/07/2011 14:42, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Damien Lallement wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> security, qa and sysadmin team worked on the qa/updates process to provide
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates as soon as possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All is now ready (boklm is finalizing a scrip to move updates from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;testing&quot; to &quot;updates&quot;). This script will be uses by security team members
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and a few QA people to push updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can now read:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_updates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_updates</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have some questions about updates process :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The page says to assign bug after validation :
+</I>&gt;<i> Assign the bug to <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">security at groups.mageia.org</A> if it's a security update
+</I>&gt;<i> (check that <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">qa-bugs at ml.mageia.org</A> is in 'CC')
+</I>&gt;<i> Let it assigned to <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">qa-bugs at ml.mageia.org</A> if it's a standard update
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it usefull to assign differently for security and non-security
+</I>&gt;<i> updates ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could we add a keyword &quot;validated_update&quot; to bugs that are ready to be
+</I>&gt;<i> moved to updates, so they can be found easily ?
+</I>
+I just write this because that's what was discuss on the meeting at this
+time with misc, ennael, stew and I (you were here too IIRC).
+We can discuss this point again if needed. :-)
+
+The idea was just not to assign package to secteam if not a secteam
+update (not to distrub them for standard packages).
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+&gt;<i> Le 07/07/2011 14:42, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Damien Lallement wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> security, qa and sysadmin team worked on the qa/updates process to provide
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updates as soon as possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All is now ready (boklm is finalizing a scrip to move updates from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;testing&quot; to &quot;updates&quot;). This script will be uses by security team members
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and a few QA people to push updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You can now read:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_updates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_updates</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have some questions about updates process :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The page says to assign bug after validation :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Assign the bug to <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">security at groups.mageia.org</A> if it's a security update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (check that <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">qa-bugs at ml.mageia.org</A> is in 'CC')
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Let it assigned to <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">qa-bugs at ml.mageia.org</A> if it's a standard update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it usefull to assign differently for security and non-security
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could we add a keyword &quot;validated_update&quot; to bugs that are ready to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> moved to updates, so they can be found easily ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just write this because that's what was discuss on the meeting at this
+</I>&gt;<i> time with misc, ennael, stew and I (you were here too IIRC).
+</I>&gt;<i> We can discuss this point again if needed. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The idea was just not to assign package to secteam if not a secteam update
+</I>&gt;<i> (not to distrub them for standard packages).
+</I>
+Yes, but what is the difference between pushing standard update, and
+security update, after qa is done, and why should we disturb them for
+security updates, and not for standard updates ?
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 04 juillet 2011 &#224; 14:12 +0200, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In order to discuss details in a more open fashion , a meeting have been
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; planed for 6 juillet, in the afternoon around 13h UTC ( paris time, 15h
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ). We will use #mageia-meeting, and the goal is :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1) see who is interested by arm ( if you are but cannot be there, please
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; say it on irc )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2) see if the task decided for the previous IRL meeting have been caried
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, no one came :(
+</I>&gt;<i> ( I blame the time we chose ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, discussing with rtp, he told me :
+</I>&gt;<i> - there is some issue with the pandaboard ( like oom killer without much
+</I>&gt;<i> reason )
+</I>&gt;<i> - there is also some issue if we have external power and usb on the go
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So maybe we need to find another way to discuss this than irc ?
+</I>
+oops, i am mildly interested in it.
+
+i still want a small cheap nas that doesn't use alot of power, so i'm thinking
+about arm stuff... and if i have it, i can test it with mageia (if it can run
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+<PRE>I suggest to obsolete the 4.6.4 versions of
+task-kde4
+task-kde4-minimal
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+as to match the new package fragmentation of KDE 4.6.90.
+(Just removing them orphans packages, and unorphaning them is annoying.)
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+I am already cursing the whole KDE f*ing team for the new fragmentation, because this affects *all* the packages that have
+BuildRequires:&#160;&#160;&#160; kdegraphics4-devel
+and I still don't know what the correct BuildRequires would be under 4.6.90.
+(I am impatiently waiting for Win8, maybe this would alleviate my pains with Linux.)
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+&gt;<i> I suggest to obsolete the 4.6.4 versions of
+</I>&gt;<i> task-kde4
+</I>&gt;<i> task-kde4-minimal
+</I>&gt;<i> task-kde4-debug
+</I>&gt;<i> as to match the new package fragmentation of KDE 4.6.90.
+</I>&gt;<i> (Just removing them orphans packages, and unorphaning them is annoying.)
+</I>We'll keep thoses packages because they're still useful however we need to
+work on them:
+For example we need to define what's a minimal kde4 installation ,what's a &#171;
+full &#187; kde installation, they also should match the task-{xfce|gnome|lxde}
+package too
+For example from my point of view task-kde-minimal should really install
+*only* a minimum of kde app like the desktop (with few plasmoids) , a web
+browser, an editor, a terminal...
+When the task-kde could provides an irc client, more plasmoid, an agenda
+(korganizer for example) etc etc.
+
+&gt;<i> I am already cursing the whole KDE f*ing team for the new fragmentation,
+</I>&gt;<i> because this affects *all* the packages that have BuildRequires:
+</I>&gt;<i> kdegraphics4-devel
+</I>
+I'm not sure we still have a lot of packages which requires kdegraphics4-devel
+as buildrequires according to <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
+
+calligra is the only one package mentionned on this url and i fixed it already
+on svn (i did not push it because it's quite a big package)
+
+Currently kdedindings4 is the missing part of KDE SC, i pushed smokekde
+(without kdepimlibs support as suggested by fwang since smokegen seems to
+crash with akonadi) and i guess fwang is going to finish others subpackage
+soon.
+
+Regarding digikam2 Ze is working on it &amp; i guess it's probably appears soon.
+
+&gt;<i> and I still don't know what the correct BuildRequires would be under 4.6.90.
+</I>
+For which package ?
+
+&gt;<i> (I am impatiently waiting for Win8, maybe this would alleviate my pains
+</I>&gt;<i> with Linux.)
+</I>Well MacOS X Lion is probably the way to go :)
+
+Regards,
+
+--
+Balcaen John
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+Well MacOS X Lion is probably the way to go :)
+&gt;<i>mikala, I would rather support anal rape than to pay a single cent to Apple!
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+&gt;<i> Yes, for the test about the bug fixed. But isn't there tests to check for
+</I>&gt;<i> regressions ?
+</I>when you push a new minor version (only bugfix) for softwares like
+LibreOffice, Postgresql or Firebird for example, will the Mageia QA
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+<PRE>Hi folks,
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+don't know if it was discussed previously, but I could not find it in the
+archives.
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+Are there some plans for any kind of ppa-like repos in Mageia/BS? There are
+some cases where they could be useful. One special case which comes to mind
+is wayland packaging - I was discussing with Florian Hubold about it, and
+the trick about them is that:
+ - they require latest xorg stuff from git
+ - they require latest mesa from git
+ - they require latest libxkbcommon from git
+ - they require latest pixman from git
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+and it is, well, madness to provide such versions in main repositories.
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+However, it would be a nice case for providing them in some sort of private
+branch (like for example people.mageia.org/&lt;branch&gt;/ or something), using
+the same BS infrastructure (iurt/jurt) to compile them and generate hdlists
+automatically.
+
+I did some custom scripts to do this task, but before reinventing the wheel
+for either mandriva or mageia BS, perhaps there is something already planned
+in this sense...
+
+Cheers,
+
+--
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 07 juillet 2011 &#224; 17:50 -0300, Eugeni Dodonov a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi folks,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> don't know if it was discussed previously, but I could not find it in the
+</I>&gt;<i> archives.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are there some plans for any kind of ppa-like repos in Mageia/BS? There are
+</I>&gt;<i> some cases where they could be useful. One special case which comes to mind
+</I>&gt;<i> is wayland packaging - I was discussing with Florian Hubold about it, and
+</I>&gt;<i> the trick about them is that:
+</I>&gt;<i> - they require latest xorg stuff from git
+</I>&gt;<i> - they require latest mesa from git
+</I>&gt;<i> - they require latest libxkbcommon from git
+</I>&gt;<i> - they require latest pixman from git
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and it is, well, madness to provide such versions in main repositories.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, it would be a nice case for providing them in some sort of private
+</I>&gt;<i> branch (like for example people.mageia.org/&lt;branch&gt;/ or something), using
+</I>&gt;<i> the same BS infrastructure (iurt/jurt) to compile them and generate hdlists
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did some custom scripts to do this task, but before reinventing the wheel
+</I>&gt;<i> for either mandriva or mageia BS, perhaps there is something already planned
+</I>&gt;<i> in this sense...
+</I>
+There is nothing planned yet. ( we do not even have enough servers to
+have a shell for packagers or others :/ )
+
+The problem I see with ppa is they lack basic quality control, they
+often interfere with upgrade and when they break, people blame the
+distribution. There is also non user friendly inter-ppa requires.
+
+So personally, I would rather try to ease the usage of iurt first ( wit
+documentation , etc ) and let people host everything them self. Having
+this on our servers would mean to most people we endorse the package,
+and I think we shouldn't unless we are sure of the quality
+( which usually mean &quot;adding rules that people will complain about until
+they open 3rd party repository saying how much we are useless because we
+couldn't provide 'foo' rpm in a updated optimized version&quot; ).
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+--
+Michael Scherer
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+ <B>Eugeni Dodonov</B>
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+<PRE>On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 18:29, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> The problem I see with ppa is they lack basic quality control, they
+</I>&gt;<i> often interfere with upgrade and when they break, people blame the
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution. There is also non user friendly inter-ppa requires.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So personally, I would rather try to ease the usage of iurt first ( wit
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation , etc ) and let people host everything them self. Having
+</I>&gt;<i> this on our servers would mean to most people we endorse the package,
+</I>&gt;<i> and I think we shouldn't unless we are sure of the quality
+</I>&gt;<i> ( which usually mean &quot;adding rules that people will complain about until
+</I>&gt;<i> they open 3rd party repository saying how much we are useless because we
+</I>&gt;<i> couldn't provide 'foo' rpm in a updated optimized version&quot; ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The only major problem with hosting iurt/jurt/whatever is that it requires
+either full repositories locally or very good network connection for
+everything, and - in both cases - tons of disk space..
+
+But yes, I got your point, and I agree with it. Perhaps instead of full
+'PPAs' it would be possible to have some sort of iurt-powered public
+repositories. For example, <A HREF="http://people..../~user">http://people..../~user</A> dirs with 'upload'
+directory there, where someone could put src.rpms and they would be
+recompiled and stored in <A HREF="http://people.../~user/{i586,x86_64,arm">http://people.../~user/{i586,x86_64,arm</A>} when done,
+with full hdlists.
+
+But as for QA, yes, this is true. Probably the best solution for it was
+Meego's one, in the n800 era - when you install something from non-official
+repo it shows a window saying 'You are installing something that could break
+everything, so you are on your own, good luck'. For install/update, perhaps
+it could be solved by adding some new installer/updater window which would
+check of enabled urpmi medias, and if there are any non-official one, it
+could show a warning or something like it as well.
+
+--
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+ <B>Cazzaniga Sandro</B>
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+<PRE>Le 07/07/2011 23:38, Eugeni Dodonov a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> But yes, I got your point, and I agree with it. Perhaps instead of full
+</I>&gt;<i> 'PPAs' it would be possible to have some sort of iurt-powered public
+</I>&gt;<i> repositories. For example, <A HREF="http://people..../~user">http://people..../~user</A> dirs with 'upload'
+</I>&gt;<i> directory there, where someone could put src.rpms and they would be
+</I>&gt;<i> recompiled and stored in <A HREF="http://people.../~user/{i586,x86_64,arm">http://people.../~user/{i586,x86_64,arm</A>} when done,
+</I>&gt;<i> with full hdlists.
+</I>This solutions means more and more servers :/
+
+--
+Sandro Cazzaniga - <A HREF="https://lederniercoupdarchet.wordpress.com">https://lederniercoupdarchet.wordpress.com</A>
+IRC: Kharec (irc.freenode.net)
+Software/Hardware geek
+Conceptor
+Magnum's Coordinator/editor (<A HREF="http://magnum.tuxfamily.org">http://magnum.tuxfamily.org</A>)
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le 07/07/2011 23:38, Eugeni Dodonov a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But yes, I got your point, and I agree with it. Perhaps instead of full
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'PPAs' it would be possible to have some sort of iurt-powered public
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; repositories. For example, <A HREF="http://people..../~user">http://people..../~user</A> dirs with 'upload'
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; directory there, where someone could put src.rpms and they would be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; recompiled and stored in <A HREF="http://people.../~user/{i586,x86_64,arm">http://people.../~user/{i586,x86_64,arm</A>} when
+</I>&gt;<i> done,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with full hdlists.
+</I>&gt;<i> This solutions means more and more servers :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Or some smart scheduling, which would only recompile such packages when BS
+load is below 1 for example.
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/7 nicolas vigier&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I must admit I do not understand the cause of this discussion, maybe I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> am thinking in too simple ways. Free goes in core, non-free goes in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> non-free. If a non-free software has a restrictive license it goes in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tainted. A free software can not have a restrictive license, if it has
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it is not free and goes in tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tainted is not about restrictive license but patents. A free software
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can have a free license, but do something which is maybe patented.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, right. I made a mistake there - just replace &quot;restrictive
+</I>&gt;<i> license&quot; with &quot;patents&quot; in my sentence.
+</I>
+&quot;free&quot; means that it can be redistributed with source code, with a free/open
+source license.
+&quot;non-free&quot; (in terms of the repos) means that it can be redistributed, but
+either not with source code, according to the license + or we simply don't
+have/can't get the source code.
+&quot;tainted&quot; was mostly for packages affected to some extent by tainted patents.
+Such packages could be free or non-free, that has nothing to do with being in
+&quot;tainted&quot;.
+Some discussions in the past considered that the likelihood of a patent
+impacting a particular software (in the few countries that do accept software
+packages to some extent, like the USA), should affect whether it goes into
+tainted or not. I don't know what consensus there was on this point, if any.
+
+There were some suggestions that non-free packages should go into &quot;non-free&quot;,
+even if considered subject to tainted patents. And some proposed excluding
+such packages.
+
+So the question is, should a non-free package potentially affected by patents
+go into &quot;non-free&quot; or &quot;tainted&quot;.
+Those more interested in using &quot;free&quot; as much as possible, might tend to say
+&quot;non-free&quot;, especially if they use &quot;tainted&quot;. So as to avoid using any
+non-free packages.
+Those who consider patents legitimate, among others, might tend to say
+&quot;tainted&quot;, especially if they use &quot;non-free. So as to avoid using any software
+which might be subject to patents. If they live in an area where software
+patents risk to be found legitimate, such as the USA.
+Of course, those who don't use &quot;non-free&quot; (except for software coming from it's
+manufacturer) or &quot;tainted&quot;, wouldn't be concerned by this question.
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011, Damien Lallement wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 07/07/2011 14:18, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 06 Jul 2011, Jos&#233; Jorge wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 6 juillet 2011 18:12:44, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A few package updates need testing on x86_64 (they have been tested on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i586, thanks to Dave Hodgins) :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1944">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1944</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1485">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1485</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1892">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1892</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1939</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All tested, but without a testcase, some are hard to test.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, testcase need to be done for each package. Maybe we could have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wiki page to save all test cases, and use them when the same package is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updated again ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No need to put this on the wiki as it will be useless for 90% of them as an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update request must have a test case for the bug fixed, not for the whole
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, for the test about the bug fixed. But isn't there tests to check for
+</I>&gt;<i> regressions ?
+</I>
+The general idea sounds good.
+But that would make a pretty big wiki page, if we especially if we include big
+apps like LibreOffice &amp; Postgresql.
+Maybe link each bigger app to a standing bugz report for that purpose ?
+It would be pretty hard to make even close to complete regression tests for
+bigger apps as well. (imagine 599 tests for LibreOffice ...)
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+<PRE>On 07/07/2011 07:38 PM, andre999 wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All tested, but without a testcase, some are hard to test.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, testcase need to be done for each package. Maybe we could have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wiki page to save all test cases, and use them when the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updated again ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No need to put this on the wiki as it will be useless for 90% of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> them as an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update request must have a test case for the bug fixed, not for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> whole
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, for the test about the bug fixed. But isn't there tests to check
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regressions ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The general idea sounds good.
+</I>&gt;<i> But that would make a pretty big wiki page, if we especially if we
+</I>&gt;<i> include big apps like LibreOffice &amp; Postgresql.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe link each bigger app to a standing bugz report for that purpose ?
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be pretty hard to make even close to complete regression
+</I>&gt;<i> tests for bigger apps as well. (imagine 599 tests for LibreOffice ...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>There once was a project at Mandriva where each packager was to supposed
+to come up with a basic functionality test for his/her package(s),
+although I don't think it got much traction aside from those of us who
+were getting paid to work on the distro and whose manager made the tests
+a deliverable.
+iirc there was even some automation framework so they they could be run
+by machine.
+
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+&gt;<i> There once was a project at Mandriva where each packager was to supposed to
+</I>&gt;<i> come up with a basic functionality test for his/her package(s), although I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't think it got much traction aside from those of us who were getting
+</I>&gt;<i> paid to work on the distro and whose manager made the tests a deliverable.
+</I>&gt;<i> iirc there was even some automation framework so they they could be run by
+</I>&gt;<i> machine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Are you talking about testcould by a chance?
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+&gt;<i> On Thursday, 7 July 2011 06:38:44 Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; openldap-server needs rebuild against new db51
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; otherwise a lot of packages want to be uninstalled
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please wait for 2.4.26 which is in progress (well, submitted to Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> cooker, building on my internal build system for RH-based systems, to be
+</I>&gt;<i> synced to Mageia as soon as I have time).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Buchan
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+This is why I didn't touch it, the maintainer knows best how to fix it.
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/7 nicolas vigier&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I must admit I do not understand the cause of this discussion, maybe I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> am thinking in too simple ways. Free goes in core, non-free goes in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> non-free. If a non-free software has a restrictive license it goes in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tainted. A free software can not have a restrictive license, if it has
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it is not free and goes in tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Tainted is not about restrictive license but patents. A free software
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can have a free license, but do something which is maybe patented.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, right. I made a mistake there - just replace &quot;restrictive
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> license&quot; with &quot;patents&quot; in my sentence.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;free&quot; means that it can be redistributed with source code, with a free/open
+</I>&gt;<i> source license.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;non-free&quot; (in terms of the repos) means that it can be redistributed, but
+</I>&gt;<i> either not with source code, according to the license + or we simply don't
+</I>&gt;<i> have/can't get the source code.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;tainted&quot; was mostly for packages affected to some extent by tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> patents.
+</I>&gt;<i> Such packages could be free or non-free, that has nothing to do with being
+</I>&gt;<i> in &quot;tainted&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Some discussions in the past considered that the likelihood of a patent
+</I>&gt;<i> impacting a particular software (in the few countries that do accept
+</I>&gt;<i> software packages to some extent, like the USA), should affect whether it
+</I>&gt;<i> goes into tainted or not. &#160;I don't know what consensus there was on this
+</I>&gt;<i> point, if any.
+</I>
+That exactly was the reason why &quot;tainted&quot; was created. The gathering
+of such software in one repo to make it easy for users and mirror
+maintainers in those countries to avoid them if they chose (or are
+forced) to do so.
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+<PRE>Stew Benedict a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 07/07/2011 07:38 PM, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All tested, but without a testcase, some are hard to test.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, testcase need to be done for each package. Maybe we could have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wiki page to save all test cases, and use them when the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updated again ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No need to put this on the wiki as it will be useless for 90% of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> them as an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update request must have a test case for the bug fixed, not for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> whole
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, for the test about the bug fixed. But isn't there tests to check
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> regressions ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The general idea sounds good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But that would make a pretty big wiki page, if we especially if we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> include big apps like LibreOffice &amp; Postgresql.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe link each bigger app to a standing bugz report for that purpose ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would be pretty hard to make even close to complete regression
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tests for bigger apps as well. (imagine 599 tests for LibreOffice ...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There once was a project at Mandriva where each packager was to supposed
+</I>&gt;<i> to come up with a basic functionality test for his/her package(s),
+</I>&gt;<i> although I don't think it got much traction aside from those of us who
+</I>&gt;<i> were getting paid to work on the distro and whose manager made the tests
+</I>&gt;<i> a deliverable.
+</I>&gt;<i> iirc there was even some automation framework so they they could be run
+</I>&gt;<i> by machine.
+</I>
+That sounds like a good idea -- especially if we could implement it in a manner
+easy to do for packagers
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+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/8 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/7 nicolas vigier&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I must admit I do not understand the cause of this discussion, maybe I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> am thinking in too simple ways. Free goes in core, non-free goes in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> non-free. If a non-free software has a restrictive license it goes in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tainted. A free software can not have a restrictive license, if it has
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it is not free and goes in tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Tainted is not about restrictive license but patents. A free software
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can have a free license, but do something which is maybe patented.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, right. I made a mistake there - just replace &quot;restrictive
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> license&quot; with &quot;patents&quot; in my sentence.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;free&quot; means that it can be redistributed with source code, with a free/open
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> source license.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;non-free&quot; (in terms of the repos) means that it can be redistributed, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> either not with source code, according to the license + or we simply don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have/can't get the source code.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;tainted&quot; was mostly for packages affected to some extent by tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patents.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Such packages could be free or non-free, that has nothing to do with being
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in &quot;tainted&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some discussions in the past considered that the likelihood of a patent
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> impacting a particular software (in the few countries that do accept
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software packages to some extent, like the USA), should affect whether it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> goes into tainted or not. I don't know what consensus there was on this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> point, if any.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That exactly was the reason why &quot;tainted&quot; was created. The gathering
+</I>&gt;<i> of such software in one repo to make it easy for users and mirror
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainers in those countries to avoid them if they chose (or are
+</I>&gt;<i> forced) to do so.
+</I>
+Since as far as I know, nobody introduced any evidence during the debate of any
+mirror being pursued for carrying potentially patent-affected packages, despite
+the fact that many mirrors in the USA, for example, carry such packages, any
+problem for mirrors is a moot point.
+
+However users (or mirrors) that wish to respect patent claims would evidently
+appreciate avoiding the contents of a &quot;tainted&quot; repository.
+
+Remember that very few patent claims against software are ever validated by the
+courts. Most pursuits in the USA are against companies with very deep pockets,
+which are often settled out of court for convenience. Generally in these
+cases, the defending party is earning revenues from the subject of the patent
+claim. Which of course doesn't apply to software distributed for free by mirrors.
+(e.g., if I remember correctly, Novell paid license fees to Microsoft for
+patent claims, while other companies successfully contested the same claims in
+court.)
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+<PRE>On 7 July 2011 22:04, philippe makowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/7 nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, for the test about the bug fixed. But isn't there tests to check for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regressions ?
+</I>&gt;<i> when you push a new minor version (only bugfix) for softwares like
+</I>&gt;<i> LibreOffice, Postgresql or Firebird for example, will the Mageia QA
+</I>&gt;<i> team run tests for regression and for all bug fixed ?
+</I>&gt;<i> whaaaa !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+IMHO, for big packages like libreoffice, we'll have to rely on the
+free-cost-daily-usage QA, i.e. pushing it to Cauldron users for
+1-2month, and waiting till the dust settles before pushing to older
+stable releases.
+
+The interesting part about packages like libreoffice, is they're
+multi-purpose, so there's no easy way to make sure every functionality
+works(tm), other than actually letting testes/cauldron-users use it.
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+--
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+I've had a rather vague idea about standardising the virtual provides
+in the distro, there should be:
+Provides: %{name}-devel
+Provides: lib%{name}-devel
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+either both of them in _all_ packages, or one of them in _all_
+packages, so that we don't have to check urpmq --provides all the
+time. Personally, I am more inclined on having them both, so as not to
+break already working specs.
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+For example:
+$ urpmq --provides lib64gudev1.0-devel-166-5.mga1.x86_64
+libgudev-devel[== 166-5.mga1]
+pkgconfig(gudev-1.0)[== 166]
+devel(libgudev-1.0(64bit))
+lib64gudev1.0-devel[== 166-5.mga1]
+lib64gudev1.0-devel(x86-64)[== 166-5.mga1]
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+only libgudev-devel, so if I put BR gudev-devel in a spec it won't
+work, whereas I'd expect it to work since some other packages have
+such similar provides:
+$ urpmq --provides lib64dbus-1-devel
+libdbus-1-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+libdbus-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+dbus-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+[...]
+
+
+WDYT?
+
+(If we agree to go one way or the other, will just fix them gradually
+over time).
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+--
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+&gt;<i> There is nothing planned yet. ( we do not even have enough servers to
+</I>&gt;<i> have a shell for packagers or others :/ )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem I see with ppa is they lack basic quality control, they
+</I>&gt;<i> often interfere with upgrade and when they break, people blame the
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution. There is also non user friendly inter-ppa requires.
+</I>Maybe we could use build.opensuse.org to encourage people to host their own ppa.
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+<PRE>On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've had a rather vague idea about standardising the virtual provides
+</I>&gt;<i> in the distro, there should be:
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> either both of them in _all_ packages, or one of them in _all_
+</I>&gt;<i> packages, so that we don't have to check urpmq --provides all the
+</I>&gt;<i> time. Personally, I am more inclined on having them both, so as not to
+</I>&gt;<i> break already working specs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For example:
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmq --provides lib64gudev1.0-devel-166-5.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> libgudev-devel[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> pkgconfig(gudev-1.0)[== 166]
+</I>&gt;<i> devel(libgudev-1.0(64bit))
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64gudev1.0-devel[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64gudev1.0-devel(x86-64)[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> only libgudev-devel, so if I put BR gudev-devel in a spec it won't
+</I>&gt;<i> work, whereas I'd expect it to work since some other packages have
+</I>&gt;<i> such similar provides:
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmq --provides lib64dbus-1-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> libdbus-1-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> libdbus-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> dbus-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (If we agree to go one way or the other, will just fix them gradually
+</I>&gt;<i> over time).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+for me this is a +1 w/o hesitation
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+ <B>James Kerr</B>
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+<PRE>This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could be
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+Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be commingled
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+Given Mageia's commitment to the promotion of free software, I believe
+that they should not. If Mageia wishes to distribute tainted nonfeee
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+&gt;<i> On 07/07/2011 07:38 PM, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All tested, but without a testcase, some are hard to test.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, testcase need to be done for each package. Maybe we could have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wiki page to save all test cases, and use them when the same package is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updated again ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No need to put this on the wiki as it will be useless for 90% of them as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update request must have a test case for the bug fixed, not for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> whole
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, for the test about the bug fixed. But isn't there tests to check for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> regressions ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The general idea sounds good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But that would make a pretty big wiki page, if we especially if we include
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> big apps like LibreOffice &amp; Postgresql.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe link each bigger app to a standing bugz report for that purpose ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would be pretty hard to make even close to complete regression tests
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for bigger apps as well. (imagine 599 tests for LibreOffice ...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There once was a project at Mandriva where each packager was to supposed to
+</I>&gt;<i> come up with a basic functionality test for his/her package(s), although I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't think it got much traction aside from those of us who were getting
+</I>&gt;<i> paid to work on the distro and whose manager made the tests a deliverable.
+</I>&gt;<i> iirc there was even some automation framework so they they could be run by
+</I>&gt;<i> machine.
+</I>
+Fedora has this :
+<A HREF="https://fedorahosted.org/beakerlib/">https://fedorahosted.org/beakerlib/</A>
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 8 juillet 2011 06:22:38, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 7 July 2011 22:04, philippe makowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011/7/7 nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Yes, for the test about the bug fixed. But isn't there tests to check
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; for regressions ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; when you push a new minor version (only bugfix) for softwares like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; LibreOffice, Postgresql or Firebird for example, will the Mageia QA
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; team run tests for regression and for all bug fixed ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; whaaaa !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO, for big packages like libreoffice, we'll have to rely on the
+</I>&gt;<i> free-cost-daily-usage QA, i.e. pushing it to Cauldron users for
+</I>&gt;<i> 1-2month, and waiting till the dust settles before pushing to older
+</I>&gt;<i> stable releases.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The interesting part about packages like libreoffice, is they're
+</I>&gt;<i> multi-purpose, so there's no easy way to make sure every functionality
+</I>&gt;<i> works(tm), other than actually letting testes/cauldron-users use it.
+</I>
+Pushing it also soon to updates_testing and letting it rest there some time
+will also allow to test it on the stable release too (and please the people
+that reported bugs).
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+ <B>David W. Hodgins</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 00:22:38 -0400, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> IMHO, for big packages like libreoffice, we'll have to rely on the
+</I>&gt;<i> free-cost-daily-usage QA, i.e. pushing it to Cauldron users for
+</I>&gt;<i> 1-2month, and waiting till the dust settles before pushing to older
+</I>&gt;<i> stable releases.
+</I>
+I don't agree with putting a minimum time limit on testing.
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+Obviously, the qa team cannot test all software in an exhaustive
+manner.
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+To me. as a member of the qa team, it's a matter of using common
+sense, on a case by case basis.
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+Is the hardware widely available? If yes, wait for someone with
+that hardware test it. If not, confirm it installs on both
+platforms without conflicts, and at least one person with the
+hardware tests it, such as with the belgium card reader.
+
+In the case of security updates with no poc, just test that the
+package installs cleanly on both platforms, and basic functionality
+works, such as the iptables update.
+
+In the case of something like libreoffice, I would test that it
+installs cleanly, and each major function appears to work. I would
+not be testing to see if every possible formula in a spreadsheet
+works, just the basics.
+
+If every possible test had to be run, nothing would ever be updated.
+Trying to run every possible test in an automated manner would make
+the Mageia project look tiny by comparison.
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+&gt;<i> This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could be
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+</I>&gt;<i> Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be commingled in a
+</I>&gt;<i> single tainted repository?
+</I>
+How can tainted software be free software at the same time?
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+<PRE>Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/8 James Kerr&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> re-stated as:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be commingled in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> single tainted repository?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How can tainted software be free software at the same time?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Because free is a matter of license, while tainted is a matter of patents.
+For example, the libdvdcss2 is free, as the the source-code is open
+(GPL) but it touches the patent issue, so it's tainted.
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+Regards,
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 8 juillet 2011 10:20:16, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 8 juillet 2011 06:22:38, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 7 July 2011 22:04, philippe makowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2011/7/7 nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Yes, for the test about the bug fixed. But isn't there tests to check
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; for regressions ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; when you push a new minor version (only bugfix) for softwares like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; LibreOffice, Postgresql or Firebird for example, will the Mageia QA
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; team run tests for regression and for all bug fixed ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; whaaaa !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; IMHO, for big packages like libreoffice, we'll have to rely on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; free-cost-daily-usage QA, i.e. pushing it to Cauldron users for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1-2month, and waiting till the dust settles before pushing to older
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stable releases.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The interesting part about packages like libreoffice, is they're
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; multi-purpose, so there's no easy way to make sure every functionality
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; works(tm), other than actually letting testes/cauldron-users use it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pushing it also soon to updates_testing and letting it rest there some time
+</I>&gt;<i> will also allow to test it on the stable release too (and please the people
+</I>&gt;<i> that reported bugs).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I forgot to add that for this to work some testers have to use updates_testing
+as an update media, like I do myself.
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+<PRE>2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/8 James Kerr&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> re-stated as:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be commingled
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> single tainted repository?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How can tainted software be free software at the same time?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because free is a matter of license, while tainted is a matter of patents.
+</I>&gt;<i> For example, the libdvdcss2 is free, as the the source-code is open (GPL)
+</I>&gt;<i> but it touches the patent issue, so it's tainted.
+</I>
+Yes, if you regard patents not as a criterium for free or non-free
+then this division makes sense.
+&gt;<i>From that point of view we need the same structure as PLF
+</I>(tainted-free and tainted-non-free).
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+<PRE>On Thu, 07 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote:
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+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011, Damien Lallement wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 07/07/2011 14:18, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 06 Jul 2011, Jos&#233; Jorge wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 6 juillet 2011 18:12:44, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A few package updates need testing on x86_64 (they have been tested on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i586, thanks to Dave Hodgins) :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1944">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1944</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1485">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1485</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1892">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1892</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1939</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All tested, but without a testcase, some are hard to test.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, testcase need to be done for each package. Maybe we could have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wiki page to save all test cases, and use them when the same package is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updated again ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No need to put this on the wiki as it will be useless for 90% of them as an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update request must have a test case for the bug fixed, not for the whole
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, for the test about the bug fixed. But isn't there tests to check for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regressions ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The general idea sounds good.
+</I>&gt;<i> But that would make a pretty big wiki page, if we especially if we include
+</I>&gt;<i> big apps like LibreOffice &amp; Postgresql.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe link each bigger app to a standing bugz report for that purpose ?
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be pretty hard to make even close to complete regression tests for
+</I>&gt;<i> bigger apps as well. (imagine 599 tests for LibreOffice ...)
+</I>
+I think the goal is not to do full regression tests, as we don't have
+time for this. But do minimal testing, in 1 or 2 minutes, to check that
+basic functionality is still working, to check that the update didn't
+break everything. For LibreOffice that could be opening a test document.
+Most applications are easy to test. But some require knowledge of the
+software, or some configuration files, to test, so we could keep a list
+of test commands or things to do and config files.
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+<PRE>Hi folks,
+thanks to mamming we've improved our wiki page [1].
+It's always work in progress of course, new project entries
+and movement from to be packaged to package are
+always welcome :D
+
+Let's talk about what to do now, two main steps are:
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+* add missing educational programs
+* group educational programs in specialized meta-packages
+
+For the first step every packagers, or padawans are welcome.
+stblack, pasmatt (matteo) and I will start working asap.
+
+Latter instead is a little bit complex, in that page there
+are projects like monodevelop, blander... that are not
+easy to group in.
+
+IMO we could have three starting meta-packages at the moment
+focused on students age -maybe on their related teacher as
+well- something like:
+pre-school &lt;6 y.o.
+primary-school 6-10 y.o
+secondary-school 10-14 y.o
+
+I can't see how to group for people over (high school?)
+since in Italy for instance we have different kind of
+school addresses e.g. technical in computer science, in chemical, etc...
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+Then another issue could be the desktop, or better, installing things
+either for qt or gtk for instance.
+And is it right to install more than one project doing similar things?
+Should we/Are we able to decide which is the &quot;best&quot; to be included in the
+meta-package?
+
+What do you think about this subject?
+
+Cheers,
+ Angelo
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+ <B>philippe makowski</B>
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+<PRE>2011/7/8 nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> I think the goal is not to do full regression tests, as we don't have
+</I>&gt;<i> time for this. But do minimal testing, in 1 or 2 minutes, to check that
+</I>&gt;<i> basic functionality is still working, to check that the update didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> break everything. For LibreOffice that could be opening a test document.
+</I>&gt;<i> Most applications are easy to test. But some require knowledge of the
+</I>&gt;<i> software, or some configuration files, to test, so we could keep a list
+</I>&gt;<i> of test commands or things to do and config files.
+</I>make sense
+
+Fedora have interesting rules about update/testing updates
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+Once pushed to testing, people are able to +1/-1 the updates &quot;karma&quot;,
+based on whether or not it seems to be functional for them. If your
+update reaches a karma of 3, it will automatically be pushed to
+stable. Likewise, if it reaches -3, it will be automatically unpushed.
+If your update does not receive enough feedback to automatically push
+it to stable, you will have to submit it as a final update yourself.
+This can easily be done with the command-line tool, or with the web
+interface
+
+they also have &quot;proven tester&quot;
+<A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Proven_tester">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Proven_tester</A> for critical path package
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 07/07/11 22:38 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> But as for QA, yes, this is true. Probably the best solution for it was
+</I>&gt;<i> Meego's one, in the n800 era - when you install something from
+</I>&gt;<i> non-official repo it shows a window saying 'You are installing something
+</I>&gt;<i> that could break everything, so you are on your own, good luck'. For
+</I>&gt;<i> install/update, perhaps it could be solved by adding some new
+</I>&gt;<i> installer/updater window which would check of enabled urpmi medias, and
+</I>&gt;<i> if there are any non-official one, it could show a warning or something
+</I>&gt;<i> like it as well.
+</I>
+I think also the ppa-purge tool is quite useful (I've not used it
+myself, just read instructions of it's use) which can aid the &quot;purging&quot;
+of a given PPA's packages and the installation of the offical packages
+needed to solve any dependency &quot;holes&quot; left behind from uninstalling
+packages.
+
+
+This is still a &quot;power-user&quot; task IMO, but if (especially in the case of
+Wayland stuff) only power-users would attempt this.
+
+So while I too accept the QA issue (it's why I've spoken quite strongly
+against PPAs in the past), I do accept there are sometimes valid reasons
+to use them. If the tools are there to help, most of my concerns can be
+mitigated.
+
+Col
+
+PS, nice to see you here Eugeni :)
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
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+Open Source:
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+<PRE>Le 08/07/2011 12:28, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I think also the ppa-purge tool is quite useful (I've not used it
+</I>&gt;<i> myself, just read instructions of it's use) which can aid the &quot;purging&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> of a given PPA's packages and the installation of the offical packages
+</I>&gt;<i> needed to solve any dependency &quot;holes&quot; left behind from uninstalling
+</I>&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I've used it for downgrade from gnome-shell to gnome 2.32.
+
+It works as well as possible, anything was breaked.
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+<PRE>On 08/07/11 06:37, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've had a rather vague idea about standardising the virtual provides
+</I>&gt;<i> in the distro, there should be:
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> either both of them in _all_ packages, or one of them in _all_
+</I>&gt;<i> packages, so that we don't have to check urpmq --provides all the
+</I>&gt;<i> time. Personally, I am more inclined on having them both, so as not to
+</I>&gt;<i> break already working specs.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>
+Hi! YES!!!!!!!
+
+As a Padawan, this was one of my first troubles, to find the correct
+-devel package name. Some packages have even different --provides
+according to the arch :-/
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+Both &quot;Provides&quot; are certainly the best, but we may recommend the usage
+of only one of type in Requires: lib%{name}-devel?
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+Cheers,
+Chris.
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+&gt;<i> On 08/07/11 06:37, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've had a rather vague idea about standardising the virtual provides
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the distro, there should be:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> either both of them in _all_ packages, or one of them in _all_
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages, so that we don't have to check urpmq --provides all the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time. Personally, I am more inclined on having them both, so as not to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> break already working specs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi! YES!!!!!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a Padawan, this was one of my first troubles, to find the correct -devel
+</I>&gt;<i> package name. Some packages have even different --provides according to the
+</I>&gt;<i> arch :-/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+[..]
+
+&gt;<i> Both &quot;Provides&quot; are certainly the best, but we may recommend the usage of
+</I>&gt;<i> only one of type in Requires: lib%{name}-devel?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Chris.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+For new specs maybe, but for old ones, that would break compatibility
+with other specs that already have BR: %{name}-devel. So since we
+can't easily get rid of one or the other, better have both...
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+--
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+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've had a rather vague idea about standardising the virtual provides
+</I>&gt;<i> in the distro, there should be:
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> either both of them in _all_ packages, or one of them in _all_
+</I>&gt;<i> packages, so that we don't have to check urpmq --provides all the
+</I>&gt;<i> time. Personally, I am more inclined on having them both, so as not to
+</I>&gt;<i> break already working specs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For example:
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmq --provides lib64gudev1.0-devel-166-5.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> libgudev-devel[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> pkgconfig(gudev-1.0)[== 166]
+</I>&gt;<i> devel(libgudev-1.0(64bit))
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64gudev1.0-devel[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64gudev1.0-devel(x86-64)[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> only libgudev-devel, so if I put BR gudev-devel in a spec it won't
+</I>&gt;<i> work, whereas I'd expect it to work since some other packages have
+</I>&gt;<i> such similar provides:
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmq --provides lib64dbus-1-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> libdbus-1-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> libdbus-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> dbus-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (If we agree to go one way or the other, will just fix them gradually
+</I>&gt;<i> over time).
+</I>
+I remember having this discussion in Mandriva when we dropped %major
+from devel name. As a result the library policy (which we have on Mageia
+as well) was altered so that all packages should have
+- name-devel
+- tarballname-devel
+as provides, i.e. without lib%name-devel (except for existing pkgs).
+This is what I've been using for any new packages I've packaged.
+
+However, as usual, I'm fine with any consistent scheme (one or the other
+or both).
+
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've had a rather vague idea about standardising the virtual provides
+</I>&gt;<i> in the distro, there should be:
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel
+</I>
+Good idea.
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+<PRE>Am 08.07.2011 17:31, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 08 Jul 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've had a rather vague idea about standardising the virtual provides
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the distro, there should be:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> Good idea.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With version and release included :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>/me fully supporting this proposal.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 08 juillet 2011 &#224; 17:27 +0300, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 08.07.2011 07:37, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've had a rather vague idea about standardising the virtual provides
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in the distro, there should be:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Provides: %{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Provides: lib%{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; either both of them in _all_ packages, or one of them in _all_
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages, so that we don't have to check urpmq --provides all the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; time. Personally, I am more inclined on having them both, so as not to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; break already working specs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For example:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $ urpmq --provides lib64gudev1.0-devel-166-5.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libgudev-devel[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pkgconfig(gudev-1.0)[== 166]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; devel(libgudev-1.0(64bit))
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lib64gudev1.0-devel[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lib64gudev1.0-devel(x86-64)[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; only libgudev-devel, so if I put BR gudev-devel in a spec it won't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; work, whereas I'd expect it to work since some other packages have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; such similar provides:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $ urpmq --provides lib64dbus-1-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libdbus-1-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libdbus-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dbus-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (If we agree to go one way or the other, will just fix them gradually
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; over time).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I remember having this discussion in Mandriva when we dropped %major
+</I>&gt;<i> from devel name. As a result the library policy (which we have on Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> as well) was altered so that all packages should have
+</I>&gt;<i> - name-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> - tarballname-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> as provides, i.e. without lib%name-devel (except for existing pkgs).
+</I>&gt;<i> This is what I've been using for any new packages I've packaged.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, as usual, I'm fine with any consistent scheme (one or the other
+</I>&gt;<i> or both).
+</I>
+I would be in favor of keeping the compatibility with existing
+practice.
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+<PRE>philippe makowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/8 nicolas vigier&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think the goal is not to do full regression tests, as we don't have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time for this. But do minimal testing, in 1 or 2 minutes, to check that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> basic functionality is still working, to check that the update didn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> break everything. For LibreOffice that could be opening a test document.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Most applications are easy to test. But some require knowledge of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software, or some configuration files, to test, so we could keep a list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of test commands or things to do and config files.
+</I>&gt;<i> make sense
+</I>
+I agree
+with a list of packages needing special consideration
+
+&gt;<i> Fedora have interesting rules about update/testing updates
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once pushed to testing, people are able to +1/-1 the updates &quot;karma&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> based on whether or not it seems to be functional for them. If your
+</I>&gt;<i> update reaches a karma of 3, it will automatically be pushed to
+</I>&gt;<i> stable. Likewise, if it reaches -3, it will be automatically unpushed.
+</I>&gt;<i> If your update does not receive enough feedback to automatically push
+</I>&gt;<i> it to stable, you will have to submit it as a final update yourself.
+</I>&gt;<i> This can easily be done with the command-line tool, or with the web
+</I>&gt;<i> interface
+</I>
+I like that approach, in general.
+Although if it doesn't work for 1 user, but does for 4 others, it could end up
+being pushed despite still having a bug.
+(Likely if the bug depends on other apps installed, affecting only a subset of
+users.)
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+&gt;<i> they also have &quot;proven tester&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Proven_tester">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Proven_tester</A> for critical path package
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+<PRE>Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi folks,
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks to mamming we've improved our wiki page [1].
+</I>&gt;<i> It's always work in progress of course, new project entries
+</I>&gt;<i> and movement from to be packaged to package are
+</I>&gt;<i> always welcome :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's talk about what to do now, two main steps are:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * add missing educational programs
+</I>&gt;<i> * group educational programs in specialized meta-packages
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the first step every packagers, or padawans are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> stblack, pasmatt (matteo) and I will start working asap.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Latter instead is a little bit complex, in that page there
+</I>&gt;<i> are projects like monodevelop, blander... that are not
+</I>&gt;<i> easy to group in.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMO we could have three starting meta-packages at the moment
+</I>&gt;<i> focused on students age -maybe on their related teacher as
+</I>&gt;<i> well- something like:
+</I>&gt;<i> pre-school&lt;6 y.o.
+</I>&gt;<i> primary-school 6-10 y.o
+</I>&gt;<i> secondary-school 10-14 y.o
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can't see how to group for people over (high school?)
+</I>&gt;<i> since in Italy for instance we have different kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> school addresses e.g. technical in computer science, in chemical, etc...
+</I>
+In North America, your &quot;high school&quot; would be called &quot;middle school&quot;, which has
+more or less disappeared.
+primary is about 6-12 y
+secondary is about 13-18 y
+the range 10-14 y remains transitional, in terms of curriculum, however.
+Smarter kids near the end of primary would be more interested in secondary
+level (and the inverse, I would imagine).
+Maybe it would be better to designate by anticipated age range ?
+In any case, there should be a lot of overlap.
+(Just because someone turns 15 they won't suddenly loose interest in what they
+used before.)
+
+&gt;<i> Then another issue could be the desktop, or better, installing things
+</I>&gt;<i> either for qt or gtk for instance.
+</I>
+I might be mistaken, but wouldn't most of such apps be more or less
+desktop-agnostic ?
+If not, we should give alternatives -- a Gnome user probably wouldn't want to
+install half of KDE for one package, and the equivalent would apply to KDE
+users. And of course other desktops.
+
+&gt;<i> And is it right to install more than one project doing similar things?
+</I>
+Why not ? It gives a choice, which I think encourages a positive attitude
+toward the use of computers as a tool in their life.
+As long as we don't try to insist that they can't uninstall something they're
+not interested in.
+
+&gt;<i> Should we/Are we able to decide which is the &quot;best&quot; to be included in the
+</I>&gt;<i> meta-package?
+</I>
+We could make suggestions, but it seems difficult to decide what. There is
+such variation of interest and ability among the young (like everyone else),
+that it seems even more difficult to decide &quot;the&quot; best.
+
+For those of high school level and above, it might be an idea to have meta
+packages focused on the domaine of interert, such &quot;natural sciences&quot; or &quot;social
+sciences&quot;, etc.
+
+&gt;<i> What do you think about this subject?
+</I>
+It might be an idea to have a base meta package which includes LibreOffice,
+internet tools, and other apps good for all age groups interested in education ?
+
+&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Angelo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=sigedu">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=sigedu</A>
+</I>
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+<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/8 James Kerr&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> re-stated as:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be commingled
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> single tainted repository?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How can tainted software be free software at the same time?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Because free is a matter of license, while tainted is a matter of patents.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For example, the libdvdcss2 is free, as the the source-code is open (GPL)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but it touches the patent issue, so it's tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, if you regard patents not as a criterium for free or non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> then this division makes sense.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> From that point of view we need the same structure as PLF
+</I>&gt;<i> (tainted-free and tainted-non-free).
+</I>
+As well, the question of patent claims is a totally hypothetical problem, in
+almost every country -- including the USA -- for mirrors that carry distros
+like Mageia.
+(In the USA, the patent office used to systematically refuse patent claims on
+software. And patents are only examined for conflicting US patents before
+being registered. Not for the acceptability of the patent itself.)
+
+So basically, tainted is for the benefit of those who would like to support
+software patents.
+As non-free is for the benefit of those who would like to support free software.
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+--
+Andr&#233;
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+When submitting kdenetwork4, it was rejected because of unexpanded-macro:
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+/usr/share/apps/kppp/Provider/Netherlands/HetNet%032Frequent%032Surfen
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+But I think unexpanded macro should be checked only in rpm's header
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+&gt;<i> Revision: 120818
+</I>&gt;<i> Author: fwang
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: 2011-07-09 03:06:20 +0200 (Sat, 09 Jul 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message:
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------
+</I>&gt;<i> new version 2.4.1.90
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> Name: amarok
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary: A powerful media player for KDE4
+</I>&gt;<i> -Version: 2.4.1
+</I>&gt;<i> +Version: 2.4.1.90
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> %patch0001 -p0
+</I>&gt;<i> -%patch0002 -p0
+</I>&gt;<i> %patch0004 -p0
+</I>&gt;<i> -%patch0006 -p0
+</I>It would be nice to also add in the changelog that some patchs are dropped
+because merged, not apply anymore etc etc instead of silently drop them.
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+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 08 Jul 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've had a rather vague idea about standardising the virtual provides
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the distro, there should be:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good idea.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With version and release included :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, of course.
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+--
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When submitting kdenetwork4, it was rejected because of unexpanded-macro:
+</I>&gt;<i> - unexpanded-macro
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/apps/kppp/Provider/Netherlands/HetNet%032Frequent%032Surfen
+</I>&gt;<i> %032Frequent
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I think unexpanded macro should be checked only in rpm's header
+</I>&gt;<i> (such as name, req, prov, obsoletes), not on the content of the
+</I>&gt;<i> package. Is it wanted?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That looks like an unintended side-effect; it barfed on '%exclude
+%_kde_appsdir/kppp/Provider'; it shouldn't, IIUC.
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+Mandriva the url takes you to:
+<A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/cooker/$PKG/">http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/cooker/$PKG/</A>
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+IMHO, it would better be:
+<A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/cooker/$PKG/current/SPECS/$PKG.spec?view=log">http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/cooker/$PKG/current/SPECS/$PKG.spec?view=log</A>
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+as this is what we'd check for whatever got changed in the package...
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525</A>
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<A HREF="http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq">http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq</A> (announce:
+<A HREF="http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110709">http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110709</A> ).
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2011/7/9 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/8 James Kerr&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> re-stated as:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be commingled
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> single tainted repository?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How can tainted software be free software at the same time?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Because free is a matter of license, while tainted is a matter of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> patents.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For example, the libdvdcss2 is free, as the the source-code is open (GPL)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but it touches the patent issue, so it's tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, if you regard patents not as a criterium for free or non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then this division makes sense.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> From that point of view we need the same structure as PLF
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (tainted-free and tainted-non-free).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As well, the question of patent claims is a totally hypothetical problem, in
+</I>&gt;<i> almost every country -- including the USA -- for mirrors that carry distros
+</I>&gt;<i> like Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> (In the USA, the patent office used to systematically refuse patent claims
+</I>&gt;<i> on software. &#160;And patents are only examined for conflicting US patents
+</I>&gt;<i> before being registered. &#160;Not for the acceptability of the patent itself.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So basically, tainted is for the benefit of those who would like to support
+</I>&gt;<i> software patents.
+</I>
+You say that people who obey to the laws of their country are to blame
+for obeying these laws? That's ridiculous.
+The fact that nobody (in FOSS community) has been called to court yet
+does not mean that the related laws do not exist!
+The Debian paper (Romain linked to) has an answer to the reasons.
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+Besides, tainted is not only about patents, it's also about software
+which is illegal in certain countries (like libdvdcss).
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+adds all /usr/share/man/XX and /usr/share/man/XX/manX directories to the
+package, which, it seems, is bad.
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+Spturtle noticed that for example /usr/share/man/sr belongs to no other
+package and prefers that it belongs to too much packages than to no package at
+all.
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+I looked at what fedora does, and it looks like they added all those
+translated manpages dirs to the filesystem package ( see
+<A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/sr">http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/sr</A> and select fedora )
+It would solve the problem at hand and we could start cleaning wrong
+ownerships, such as those :
+<A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/fr">http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/fr</A> (select mageia)
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>Le samedi 9 juillet 2011 14:46:14, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I used the --with-man option of the %find_lang RPM macro, but noticed that
+</I>&gt;<i> it adds all /usr/share/man/XX and /usr/share/man/XX/manX directories to
+</I>&gt;<i> the package, which, it seems, is bad.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Spturtle noticed that for example /usr/share/man/sr belongs to no other
+</I>&gt;<i> package and prefers that it belongs to too much packages than to no package
+</I>&gt;<i> at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I looked at what fedora does, and it looks like they added all those
+</I>&gt;<i> translated manpages dirs to the filesystem package ( see
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/sr">http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/sr</A> and select fedora )
+</I>&gt;<i> It would solve the problem at hand and we could start cleaning wrong
+</I>&gt;<i> ownerships, such as those :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/fr">http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/fr</A> (select mageia)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+FYI I just found this redhat/fedora bug report :
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569536">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569536</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 09/07/11 08:25 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hello, just giving it more exposure
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525</A>
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+Some kind of hint as to what it is about is nice :) Fixed that for ya :D
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+--
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+<PRE>2011/7/9 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 9 July 2011 05:55, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When submitting kdenetwork4, it was rejected because of unexpanded-macro:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - unexpanded-macro
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/share/apps/kppp/Provider/Netherlands/HetNet%032Frequent%032Surfen
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %032Frequent
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But I think unexpanded macro should be checked only in rpm's header
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (such as name, req, prov, obsoletes), not on the content of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package. Is it wanted?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That looks like an unintended side-effect; it barfed on '%exclude
+</I>&gt;<i> %_kde_appsdir/kppp/Provider'; it shouldn't, IIUC.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hum probably not, for kdenetwork4 4.6.5 i remove the %exclude from
+kppp &amp; it's still failing cf
+
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/rejected/1/core/updates_testing/20110709144636.mikala.valstar.29217.youri">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/rejected/1/core/updates_testing/20110709144636.mikala.valstar.29217.youri</A>
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+Regards,
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+P.S: i put sysadmin in cc
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+--
+Balcaen John
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+<PRE>On 9 July 2011 16:22, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 09/07/11 08:25 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello, just giving it more exposure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some kind of hint as to what it is about is nice :) Fixed that for ya :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Or people could read the report, but indeed having an interesting
+subject is always key. Thanks.
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+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On 9 July 2011 18:20, John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/9 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 9 July 2011 05:55, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> When submitting kdenetwork4, it was rejected because of unexpanded-macro:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - unexpanded-macro
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/share/apps/kppp/Provider/Netherlands/HetNet%032Frequent%032Surfen
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %032Frequent
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But I think unexpanded macro should be checked only in rpm's header
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (such as name, req, prov, obsoletes), not on the content of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package. Is it wanted?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That looks like an unintended side-effect; it barfed on '%exclude
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %_kde_appsdir/kppp/Provider'; it shouldn't, IIUC.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hum probably not, for kdenetwork4 4.6.5 i remove the %exclude from
+</I>&gt;<i> kppp &amp; it's still failing cf
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/rejected/1/core/updates_testing/20110709144636.mikala.valstar.29217.youri">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/rejected/1/core/updates_testing/20110709144636.mikala.valstar.29217.youri</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Indeed; however are those file names correct? e.g.
+&quot;Internet%032Acces%032Facilities %032Acces&quot;, because that's the actual
+file name in the rpm (separate issue, I guess).
+
+&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> P.S: i put sysadmin in cc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i> Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> Indeed; however are those file names correct? e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Internet%032Acces%032Facilities %032Acces&quot;, because that's the actual
+</I>&gt;<i> file name in the rpm (separate issue, I guess).
+</I>They are provided like this in the tarball ( cf svn
+<A HREF="http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.6/kdenetwork/kppp/DB/Provider/Netherlands/">http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.6/kdenetwork/kppp/DB/Provider/Netherlands/</A>
+for example).
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+<PRE>On 7 June 2011 15:34, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision 101505 Author dmorgan Date 2011-06-07 15:34:09 +0200 (Tue, 07 Jun
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/gtk+3.0/current/SPECS/gtk+3.0.spec
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/gtk+3.0/current/SPECS/gtk+3.0.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- cauldron/gtk+3.0/current/SPECS/gtk+3.0.spec 2011-06-07 13:34:06 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 101504)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/gtk+3.0/current/SPECS/gtk+3.0.spec 2011-06-07 13:34:09 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 101505)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -6,7 +6,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> # enable_bootstrap: Toggle if bootstrapping package
+</I>&gt;<i> # 0 = no
+</I>&gt;<i> # 1 = yes
+</I>&gt;<i> -%define enable_bootstrap 0
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define enable_bootstrap 1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # enable_tests: Run test suite in build
+</I>&gt;<i> # 0 = no
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -43,12 +43,16 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary: The GIMP ToolKit (GTK+), a library for creating GUIs
+</I>&gt;<i> Name: %{pkgname}%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> -Version: 3.0.9
+</I>&gt;<i> +Version: 3.0.11
+</I>&gt;<i> Release: %mkrel 1
+</I>&gt;<i> License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Group: System/Libraries
+</I>&gt;<i> -Source0: <A HREF="http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/%pkgname/%{pkgname">http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/%pkgname/%{pkgname</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i> -BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-buildroot
+</I>&gt;<i> +Source0: <A HREF="http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/%pkgname/%{pkgname">http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/%pkgname/%{pkgname</A>}-%{version}.tar.xz
+</I>&gt;<i> +Source1: im-cedilla.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if !%{enable_bootstrap}
+</I>&gt;<i> +# use oxygen gtk3 theme by default if available
+</I>&gt;<i> +Patch12: gtk+-defaulttheme.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> URL: <A HREF="http://www.gtk.org">http://www.gtk.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Requires: common-licenses
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: gettext-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -82,6 +86,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: fonts-ttf-dejavu
+</I>&gt;<i> %if !%{enable_bootstrap}
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggests: xdg-user-dirs-gtk
+</I>&gt;<i> +Suggests: oxygen-gtk3
+</I>
+
+Since oxygen-gtk3 is only useful for KDE users, it should be suggested
+by a KDE package, not in gtk+3.0, IMHO.
+
+(The same for gtk+2.0 suggesting oxygen-gtk).
+
+
+&gt;<i> %endif
+</I>&gt;<i> Requires: %{libname} = %{version}
+</I>&gt;<i> Obsoletes: gtk-engines3 &lt; 3.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -96,6 +101,30 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are planning on using the GIMP or another program that uses GTK+,
+</I>&gt;<i> you'll need to have the gtk+ package installed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +%post
+</I>&gt;<i> +gtk-query-immodules-3.0-%{__isa_bits} --update-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> +glib-compile-schemas %{_datadir}/glib-2.0/schemas &amp;&gt; /dev/null || :
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +if [ -d %{_datadir}/icons ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> + for i in `/bin/ls %{_datadir}/icons` ; do
+</I>&gt;<i> + [ -d &quot;%{_datadir}/icons/$i&quot; -a -e
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;%{_datadir}/icons/$i/icon-theme.cache&quot; -a -e
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;%{_datadir}/icons/$i/index.theme&quot; ] &amp;&amp; gtk-update-icon-cache-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> --force --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/$i
+</I>&gt;<i> + done
+</I>&gt;<i> +exit 0
+</I>&gt;<i> +fi
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +%files -f gtk30.lang
+</I>&gt;<i> +%defattr(-, root, root)
+</I>&gt;<i> +%doc README
+</I>&gt;<i> +%_mandir/man1/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}.1*
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_datadir}/themes
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_datadir}/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gtk.Settings.FileChooser.gschema.xml
+</I>&gt;<i> +%dir %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/im-multipress.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_sysconfdir}/X11/xinit/xinput.d/im-cedilla.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> %package -n %{libname}
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary: %{summary}
+</I>&gt;<i> Group: %{group}
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -112,6 +141,37 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> This package contains the library needed to run programs dynamically
+</I>&gt;<i> linked with gtk+.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +%post -n %{libname}
+</I>&gt;<i> +if [ &quot;$1&quot; = &quot;2&quot; ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> + if [ -f %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/gtk.immodules ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> + rm -f %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/gtk.immodules
+</I>&gt;<i> + fi
+</I>&gt;<i> +fi
+</I>&gt;<i> +gtk-query-immodules-3.0-%{__isa_bits} --update-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/bin/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version} &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> %_libdir/gtk-%{api_version}/3.0.0/immodules.cache
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +%files -n %{libname}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%defattr(-, root, root)
+</I>&gt;<i> +%doc README
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-*
+</I>&gt;<i> +%ghost %verify (not md5 mtime size)
+</I>&gt;<i> %_libdir/gtk-%{api_version}/3.0.0/immodules.cache
+</I>&gt;<i> +%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/modules
+</I>&gt;<i> +%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/immodules
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/immodules/*.so
+</I>&gt;<i> +%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/printbackends
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/printbackends/*.so
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgtk-3.so.%{lib_major}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgtk-3.so.%{lib_major}.*
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgdk-3.so.%{lib_major}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgdk-3.so.%{lib_major}.*
+</I>&gt;<i> +%_libdir/girepository-1.0/Gdk-%{api_version}.typelib
+</I>&gt;<i> +%_libdir/girepository-1.0/GdkX11-%{api_version}.typelib
+</I>&gt;<i> +%_libdir/girepository-1.0/Gtk-%{api_version}.typelib
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> %package -n %{develname}
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary: Development files for GTK+ (GIMP ToolKit) applications
+</I>&gt;<i> Group: Development/GNOME and GTK+
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -132,6 +192,27 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> for writing GTK+ widgets and using GTK+ widgets in applications), and GTK+
+</I>&gt;<i> (the widget set).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +%files -n %{develname}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%defattr(-, root, root)
+</I>&gt;<i> +%doc docs/*.txt AUTHORS ChangeLog NEWS* README*
+</I>&gt;<i> +%doc %{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/gdk3
+</I>&gt;<i> +%doc %{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/gtk3
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_bindir}/gtk3-demo
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_datadir}/aclocal/*
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_datadir}/gtk-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_includedir}/gtk-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgtk-%{api}.so
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgtk-%{api}.la
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgdk-%{api}.so
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgdk-%{api}.la
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/gdk-*%{api_version}.pc
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/gtk+-*%{api_version}.pc
+</I>&gt;<i> +%_datadir/gir-1.0/Gdk-%{api_version}.gir
+</I>&gt;<i> +%_datadir/gir-1.0/GdkX11-%{api_version}.gir
+</I>&gt;<i> +%_datadir/gir-1.0/Gtk-%{api_version}.gir
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> %package -n %{gail_libname}
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary: GNOME Accessibility Implementation Library
+</I>&gt;<i> Group: System/Libraries
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -141,6 +222,14 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> %description -n %{gail_libname}
+</I>&gt;<i> Gail is the GNOME Accessibility Implementation Library
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +%files -n %gail_libname
+</I>&gt;<i> +%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgailutil-%{api}.so.%{gail_major}*
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/modules/libferret.so
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/modules/libgail.so
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> %package -n %gaildevelname
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary: Static libraries, include files for GAIL
+</I>&gt;<i> Group: Development/GNOME and GTK+
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -150,21 +239,37 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> %description -n %gaildevelname
+</I>&gt;<i> Gail is the GNOME Accessibility Implementation Library
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +%files -n %gaildevelname
+</I>&gt;<i> +%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/gail-libgail-util3
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgailutil-%{api}.so
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgailutil-%{api}.la
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_includedir}/gail-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/gail-%{api_version}.pc
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> %prep
+</I>&gt;<i> %setup -qn %{pkgname}-%{version}
+</I>&gt;<i> %apply_patches
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;<i> -%ifarch ppc64
+</I>&gt;<i> -export CFLAGS=&quot;$RPM_OPT_FLAGS -mminimal-toc&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> -%endif
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -# fix crash in nautilus (GNOME bug #596977)
+</I>&gt;<i> -export CFLAGS=`echo $RPM_OPT_FLAGS | sed -e 's/-fomit-frame-pointer//g'`
+</I>&gt;<i> +(if ! test -x configure; then NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh;
+</I>&gt;<i> CONFIGFLAGS=--enable-gtk-doc; fi;
+</I>&gt;<i> + %configure $CONFIGFLAGS \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-gtk2-dependency \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-xkb \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-xinerama \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-xinput \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-xrandr \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-xfixes \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-xcomposite \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-xdamage \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-x11-backend \
+</I>&gt;<i> +)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -export CPPFLAGS=&quot;-DGTK_COMPILATION&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> -%configure2_5x --enable-xinerama \
+</I>&gt;<i> - --enable-gtk2-dependency
+</I>&gt;<i> +# fight unused direct deps
+</I>&gt;<i> +sed -i -e 's/ -shared / -Wl,-O1,--as-needed\0/g' libtool
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %make
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -185,12 +290,12 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> touch
+</I>&gt;<i> $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%_libdir/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/immodules.cache
+</I>&gt;<i> mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/modules
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -%if %_lib != lib
+</I>&gt;<i> - mv %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-64
+</I>&gt;<i> -%else
+</I>&gt;<i> - mv %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-32
+</I>&gt;<i> -%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> +(cd $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_bindir}
+</I>&gt;<i> + mv gtk-query-immodules-3.0 gtk-query-immodules-3.0-%{__isa_bits}
+</I>&gt;<i> +)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +# Input method frameworks want this
+</I>&gt;<i> +install -D %{SOURCE1}
+</I>&gt;<i> $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_sysconfdir}/X11/xinit/xinput.d/im-cedilla.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> %{find_lang} gtk30 gtk30 gtk30-properties
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> #remove not packaged files
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -204,90 +309,3 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> %clean
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -%post -n %{libname}
+</I>&gt;<i> -if [ &quot;$1&quot; = &quot;2&quot; ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> - if [ -f %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/gtk.immodules ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> - rm -f %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/gtk.immodules
+</I>&gt;<i> - fi
+</I>&gt;<i> -fi
+</I>&gt;<i> -%if %_lib != lib
+</I>&gt;<i> - %{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-64 --update-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> -%else
+</I>&gt;<i> - %{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-32 --update-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> -%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> -%triggerin -n %{libname} --
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/immodules/*.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%if %_lib != lib
+</I>&gt;<i> - %{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-64 --update-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> -%else
+</I>&gt;<i> - %{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-32 --update-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> -%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> -%triggerpostun -n %{libname} --
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/immodules/*.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%if %_lib != lib
+</I>&gt;<i> - %{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-64 --update-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> -%else
+</I>&gt;<i> - %{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-32 --update-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> -%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> -%files -f gtk30.lang
+</I>&gt;<i> -%defattr(-, root, root)
+</I>&gt;<i> -%doc README
+</I>&gt;<i> -%_mandir/man1/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}.1*
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_datadir}/themes
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_datadir}/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gtk.Settings.FileChooser.gschema.xml
+</I>&gt;<i> -%dir %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/im-multipress.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> -%files -n %{libname}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%defattr(-, root, root)
+</I>&gt;<i> -%doc README
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-*
+</I>&gt;<i> -%ghost %verify (not md5 mtime size)
+</I>&gt;<i> %_libdir/gtk-%{api_version}/3.0.0/immodules.cache
+</I>&gt;<i> -%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/modules
+</I>&gt;<i> -%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/immodules
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/immodules/*.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/printbackends
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/printbackends/*.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgtk-3.so.%{lib_major}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgtk-3.so.%{lib_major}.*
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgdk-3.so.%{lib_major}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgdk-3.so.%{lib_major}.*
+</I>&gt;<i> -%_libdir/girepository-1.0/Gdk-%{api_version}.typelib
+</I>&gt;<i> -%_libdir/girepository-1.0/GdkX11-%{api_version}.typelib
+</I>&gt;<i> -%_libdir/girepository-1.0/Gtk-%{api_version}.typelib
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> -%files -n %{develname}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%defattr(-, root, root)
+</I>&gt;<i> -%doc docs/*.txt AUTHORS ChangeLog NEWS* README*
+</I>&gt;<i> -%doc %{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/gdk3
+</I>&gt;<i> -%doc %{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/gtk3
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_bindir}/gtk3-demo
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_datadir}/aclocal/*
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_datadir}/gtk-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_includedir}/gtk-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgtk-%{api}.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgtk-%{api}.la
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgdk-%{api}.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgdk-%{api}.la
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/gdk-*%{api_version}.pc
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/gtk+-*%{api_version}.pc
+</I>&gt;<i> -%_datadir/gir-1.0/Gdk-%{api_version}.gir
+</I>&gt;<i> -%_datadir/gir-1.0/GdkX11-%{api_version}.gir
+</I>&gt;<i> -%_datadir/gir-1.0/Gtk-%{api_version}.gir
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> -%files -n %gail_libname
+</I>&gt;<i> -%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgailutil-%{api}.so.%{gail_major}*
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/modules/libferret.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/modules/libgail.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> -%files -n %gaildevelname
+</I>&gt;<i> -%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/gail-libgail-util3
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgailutil-%{api}.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgailutil-%{api}.la
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_includedir}/gail-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/gail-%{api_version}.pc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5B101505%5D%20Revert%20rpm5%20stuffs%20and%20sync%20with%20fedora&In-Reply-To=%3C1043454117-1310278448-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1035693375-%40b12.c3.bise7.blackberry%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
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+ <I>Sun Jul 10 08:20:05 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>I'm agree with ahmad: +1
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Sender: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 05:55:37
+To: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Reply-To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+
+On 7 June 2011 15:34, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision 101505 Author dmorgan Date 2011-06-07 15:34:09 +0200 (Tue, 07 Jun
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/gtk+3.0/current/SPECS/gtk+3.0.spec
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/gtk+3.0/current/SPECS/gtk+3.0.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- cauldron/gtk+3.0/current/SPECS/gtk+3.0.spec 2011-06-07 13:34:06 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 101504)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/gtk+3.0/current/SPECS/gtk+3.0.spec 2011-06-07 13:34:09 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 101505)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -6,7 +6,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> # enable_bootstrap: Toggle if bootstrapping package
+</I>&gt;<i> # 0 = no
+</I>&gt;<i> # 1 = yes
+</I>&gt;<i> -%define enable_bootstrap 0
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define enable_bootstrap 1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # enable_tests: Run test suite in build
+</I>&gt;<i> # 0 = no
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -43,12 +43,16 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary: The GIMP ToolKit (GTK+), a library for creating GUIs
+</I>&gt;<i> Name: %{pkgname}%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> -Version: 3.0.9
+</I>&gt;<i> +Version: 3.0.11
+</I>&gt;<i> Release: %mkrel 1
+</I>&gt;<i> License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Group: System/Libraries
+</I>&gt;<i> -Source0: <A HREF="http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/%pkgname/%{pkgname">http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/%pkgname/%{pkgname</A>}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i> -BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-buildroot
+</I>&gt;<i> +Source0: <A HREF="http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/%pkgname/%{pkgname">http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/%pkgname/%{pkgname</A>}-%{version}.tar.xz
+</I>&gt;<i> +Source1: im-cedilla.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if !%{enable_bootstrap}
+</I>&gt;<i> +# use oxygen gtk3 theme by default if available
+</I>&gt;<i> +Patch12: gtk+-defaulttheme.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> URL: <A HREF="http://www.gtk.org">http://www.gtk.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Requires: common-licenses
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: gettext-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -82,6 +86,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: fonts-ttf-dejavu
+</I>&gt;<i> %if !%{enable_bootstrap}
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggests: xdg-user-dirs-gtk
+</I>&gt;<i> +Suggests: oxygen-gtk3
+</I>
+
+Since oxygen-gtk3 is only useful for KDE users, it should be suggested
+by a KDE package, not in gtk+3.0, IMHO.
+
+(The same for gtk+2.0 suggesting oxygen-gtk).
+
+
+&gt;<i> %endif
+</I>&gt;<i> Requires: %{libname} = %{version}
+</I>&gt;<i> Obsoletes: gtk-engines3 &lt; 3.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -96,6 +101,30 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are planning on using the GIMP or another program that uses GTK+,
+</I>&gt;<i> you'll need to have the gtk+ package installed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +%post
+</I>&gt;<i> +gtk-query-immodules-3.0-%{__isa_bits} --update-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> +glib-compile-schemas %{_datadir}/glib-2.0/schemas &amp;&gt; /dev/null || :
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +if [ -d %{_datadir}/icons ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> + for i in `/bin/ls %{_datadir}/icons` ; do
+</I>&gt;<i> + [ -d &quot;%{_datadir}/icons/$i&quot; -a -e
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;%{_datadir}/icons/$i/icon-theme.cache&quot; -a -e
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;%{_datadir}/icons/$i/index.theme&quot; ] &amp;&amp; gtk-update-icon-cache-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> --force --quiet %{_datadir}/icons/$i
+</I>&gt;<i> + done
+</I>&gt;<i> +exit 0
+</I>&gt;<i> +fi
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +%files -f gtk30.lang
+</I>&gt;<i> +%defattr(-, root, root)
+</I>&gt;<i> +%doc README
+</I>&gt;<i> +%_mandir/man1/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}.1*
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_datadir}/themes
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_datadir}/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gtk.Settings.FileChooser.gschema.xml
+</I>&gt;<i> +%dir %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/im-multipress.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_sysconfdir}/X11/xinit/xinput.d/im-cedilla.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> %package -n %{libname}
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary: %{summary}
+</I>&gt;<i> Group: %{group}
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -112,6 +141,37 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> This package contains the library needed to run programs dynamically
+</I>&gt;<i> linked with gtk+.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +%post -n %{libname}
+</I>&gt;<i> +if [ &quot;$1&quot; = &quot;2&quot; ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> + if [ -f %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/gtk.immodules ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> + rm -f %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/gtk.immodules
+</I>&gt;<i> + fi
+</I>&gt;<i> +fi
+</I>&gt;<i> +gtk-query-immodules-3.0-%{__isa_bits} --update-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/bin/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version} &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> %_libdir/gtk-%{api_version}/3.0.0/immodules.cache
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +%files -n %{libname}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%defattr(-, root, root)
+</I>&gt;<i> +%doc README
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-*
+</I>&gt;<i> +%ghost %verify (not md5 mtime size)
+</I>&gt;<i> %_libdir/gtk-%{api_version}/3.0.0/immodules.cache
+</I>&gt;<i> +%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/modules
+</I>&gt;<i> +%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/immodules
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/immodules/*.so
+</I>&gt;<i> +%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/printbackends
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/printbackends/*.so
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgtk-3.so.%{lib_major}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgtk-3.so.%{lib_major}.*
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgdk-3.so.%{lib_major}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgdk-3.so.%{lib_major}.*
+</I>&gt;<i> +%_libdir/girepository-1.0/Gdk-%{api_version}.typelib
+</I>&gt;<i> +%_libdir/girepository-1.0/GdkX11-%{api_version}.typelib
+</I>&gt;<i> +%_libdir/girepository-1.0/Gtk-%{api_version}.typelib
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> %package -n %{develname}
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary: Development files for GTK+ (GIMP ToolKit) applications
+</I>&gt;<i> Group: Development/GNOME and GTK+
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -132,6 +192,27 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> for writing GTK+ widgets and using GTK+ widgets in applications), and GTK+
+</I>&gt;<i> (the widget set).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +%files -n %{develname}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%defattr(-, root, root)
+</I>&gt;<i> +%doc docs/*.txt AUTHORS ChangeLog NEWS* README*
+</I>&gt;<i> +%doc %{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/gdk3
+</I>&gt;<i> +%doc %{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/gtk3
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_bindir}/gtk3-demo
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_datadir}/aclocal/*
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_datadir}/gtk-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_includedir}/gtk-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgtk-%{api}.so
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgtk-%{api}.la
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgdk-%{api}.so
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgdk-%{api}.la
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/gdk-*%{api_version}.pc
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/gtk+-*%{api_version}.pc
+</I>&gt;<i> +%_datadir/gir-1.0/Gdk-%{api_version}.gir
+</I>&gt;<i> +%_datadir/gir-1.0/GdkX11-%{api_version}.gir
+</I>&gt;<i> +%_datadir/gir-1.0/Gtk-%{api_version}.gir
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> %package -n %{gail_libname}
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary: GNOME Accessibility Implementation Library
+</I>&gt;<i> Group: System/Libraries
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -141,6 +222,14 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> %description -n %{gail_libname}
+</I>&gt;<i> Gail is the GNOME Accessibility Implementation Library
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +%files -n %gail_libname
+</I>&gt;<i> +%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgailutil-%{api}.so.%{gail_major}*
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/modules/libferret.so
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/modules/libgail.so
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> %package -n %gaildevelname
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary: Static libraries, include files for GAIL
+</I>&gt;<i> Group: Development/GNOME and GTK+
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -150,21 +239,37 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> %description -n %gaildevelname
+</I>&gt;<i> Gail is the GNOME Accessibility Implementation Library
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +%files -n %gaildevelname
+</I>&gt;<i> +%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/gail-libgail-util3
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgailutil-%{api}.so
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/libgailutil-%{api}.la
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_includedir}/gail-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/gail-%{api_version}.pc
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> %prep
+</I>&gt;<i> %setup -qn %{pkgname}-%{version}
+</I>&gt;<i> %apply_patches
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;<i> -%ifarch ppc64
+</I>&gt;<i> -export CFLAGS=&quot;$RPM_OPT_FLAGS -mminimal-toc&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> -%endif
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -# fix crash in nautilus (GNOME bug #596977)
+</I>&gt;<i> -export CFLAGS=`echo $RPM_OPT_FLAGS | sed -e 's/-fomit-frame-pointer//g'`
+</I>&gt;<i> +(if ! test -x configure; then NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh;
+</I>&gt;<i> CONFIGFLAGS=--enable-gtk-doc; fi;
+</I>&gt;<i> + %configure $CONFIGFLAGS \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-gtk2-dependency \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-xkb \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-xinerama \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-xinput \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-xrandr \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-xfixes \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-xcomposite \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-xdamage \
+</I>&gt;<i> + --enable-x11-backend \
+</I>&gt;<i> +)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -export CPPFLAGS=&quot;-DGTK_COMPILATION&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> -%configure2_5x --enable-xinerama \
+</I>&gt;<i> - --enable-gtk2-dependency
+</I>&gt;<i> +# fight unused direct deps
+</I>&gt;<i> +sed -i -e 's/ -shared / -Wl,-O1,--as-needed\0/g' libtool
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %make
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -185,12 +290,12 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> touch
+</I>&gt;<i> $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%_libdir/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/immodules.cache
+</I>&gt;<i> mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/modules
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -%if %_lib != lib
+</I>&gt;<i> - mv %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-64
+</I>&gt;<i> -%else
+</I>&gt;<i> - mv %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-32
+</I>&gt;<i> -%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> +(cd $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_bindir}
+</I>&gt;<i> + mv gtk-query-immodules-3.0 gtk-query-immodules-3.0-%{__isa_bits}
+</I>&gt;<i> +)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +# Input method frameworks want this
+</I>&gt;<i> +install -D %{SOURCE1}
+</I>&gt;<i> $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_sysconfdir}/X11/xinit/xinput.d/im-cedilla.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> %{find_lang} gtk30 gtk30 gtk30-properties
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> #remove not packaged files
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -204,90 +309,3 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> %clean
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -%post -n %{libname}
+</I>&gt;<i> -if [ &quot;$1&quot; = &quot;2&quot; ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> - if [ -f %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/gtk.immodules ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> - rm -f %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/gtk.immodules
+</I>&gt;<i> - fi
+</I>&gt;<i> -fi
+</I>&gt;<i> -%if %_lib != lib
+</I>&gt;<i> - %{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-64 --update-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> -%else
+</I>&gt;<i> - %{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-32 --update-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> -%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> -%triggerin -n %{libname} --
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/immodules/*.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%if %_lib != lib
+</I>&gt;<i> - %{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-64 --update-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> -%else
+</I>&gt;<i> - %{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-32 --update-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> -%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> -%triggerpostun -n %{libname} --
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/immodules/*.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%if %_lib != lib
+</I>&gt;<i> - %{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-64 --update-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> -%else
+</I>&gt;<i> - %{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-32 --update-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> -%endif
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> -%files -f gtk30.lang
+</I>&gt;<i> -%defattr(-, root, root)
+</I>&gt;<i> -%doc README
+</I>&gt;<i> -%_mandir/man1/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}.1*
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_datadir}/themes
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_datadir}/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gtk.Settings.FileChooser.gschema.xml
+</I>&gt;<i> -%dir %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/im-multipress.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> -%files -n %{libname}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%defattr(-, root, root)
+</I>&gt;<i> -%doc README
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-%{api_version}-*
+</I>&gt;<i> -%ghost %verify (not md5 mtime size)
+</I>&gt;<i> %_libdir/gtk-%{api_version}/3.0.0/immodules.cache
+</I>&gt;<i> -%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/modules
+</I>&gt;<i> -%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/immodules
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/immodules/*.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%dir %{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/printbackends
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/%{binary_version}/printbackends/*.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgtk-3.so.%{lib_major}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgtk-3.so.%{lib_major}.*
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgdk-3.so.%{lib_major}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgdk-3.so.%{lib_major}.*
+</I>&gt;<i> -%_libdir/girepository-1.0/Gdk-%{api_version}.typelib
+</I>&gt;<i> -%_libdir/girepository-1.0/GdkX11-%{api_version}.typelib
+</I>&gt;<i> -%_libdir/girepository-1.0/Gtk-%{api_version}.typelib
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> -%files -n %{develname}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%defattr(-, root, root)
+</I>&gt;<i> -%doc docs/*.txt AUTHORS ChangeLog NEWS* README*
+</I>&gt;<i> -%doc %{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/gdk3
+</I>&gt;<i> -%doc %{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/gtk3
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_bindir}/gtk3-demo
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_datadir}/aclocal/*
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_datadir}/gtk-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_includedir}/gtk-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgtk-%{api}.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgtk-%{api}.la
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgdk-%{api}.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgdk-%{api}.la
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/gdk-*%{api_version}.pc
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/gtk+-*%{api_version}.pc
+</I>&gt;<i> -%_datadir/gir-1.0/Gdk-%{api_version}.gir
+</I>&gt;<i> -%_datadir/gir-1.0/GdkX11-%{api_version}.gir
+</I>&gt;<i> -%_datadir/gir-1.0/Gtk-%{api_version}.gir
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> -%files -n %gail_libname
+</I>&gt;<i> -%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgailutil-%{api}.so.%{gail_major}*
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/modules/libferret.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/gtk-%{api_version}/modules/libgail.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> -%files -n %gaildevelname
+</I>&gt;<i> -%defattr(-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/gail-libgail-util3
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgailutil-%{api}.so
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/libgailutil-%{api}.la
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_includedir}/gail-%{api_version}
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/gail-%{api_version}.pc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Standardising%20the%20virtual%20Provides%20in%20-devel%0A%09packages&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJmd%2Bxri5DSV0ErbbAXNnSeUTJ%3De2s5BpfrvuP0U%3DHAAGC8eYA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+ <I>Sun Jul 10 10:03:21 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>On 8 July 2011 06:37, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've had a rather vague idea about standardising the virtual provides
+</I>&gt;<i> in the distro, there should be:
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> either both of them in _all_ packages, or one of them in _all_
+</I>&gt;<i> packages, so that we don't have to check urpmq --provides all the
+</I>&gt;<i> time. Personally, I am more inclined on having them both, so as not to
+</I>&gt;<i> break already working specs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For example:
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmq --provides lib64gudev1.0-devel-166-5.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> libgudev-devel[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> pkgconfig(gudev-1.0)[== 166]
+</I>&gt;<i> devel(libgudev-1.0(64bit))
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64gudev1.0-devel[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64gudev1.0-devel(x86-64)[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> only libgudev-devel, so if I put BR gudev-devel in a spec it won't
+</I>&gt;<i> work, whereas I'd expect it to work since some other packages have
+</I>&gt;<i> such similar provides:
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmq --provides lib64dbus-1-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> libdbus-1-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> libdbus-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> dbus-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (If we agree to go one way or the other, will just fix them gradually
+</I>&gt;<i> over time).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Adding to the above, spturtle has suggested using pkgconfig()
+provides: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2065">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2065</A>
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+&gt;<i> I'm agree with ahmad: +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since oxygen-gtk3 is only useful for KDE users, it should be suggested
+</I>&gt;<i> by a KDE package, not in gtk+3.0, IMHO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (The same for gtk+2.0 suggesting oxygen-gtk).
+</I>
+I guess it's not directly related to kde but rather to provide the
+same theme for xfce/gnome/kde aka oxygen while waiting for a decision
+of the artwork team (i guess no one want to port iaora to gtk3)
+
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/10 &#160;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm agree with ahmad: +1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since oxygen-gtk3 is only useful for KDE users, it should be suggested
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by a KDE package, not in gtk+3.0, IMHO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (The same for gtk+2.0 suggesting oxygen-gtk).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess it's not directly related to kde but rather to provide the
+</I>&gt;<i> same theme for xfce/gnome/kde aka oxygen while waiting for a decision
+</I>&gt;<i> of the artwork team (i guess no one want to port iaora to gtk3)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Right; but if Ia_Ora doesn't get ported to GTK+3.0 then we should
+stick with the upstream default, which is Adwaita. Less maintenance
+costs, less downstream bugs for us...
+
+(Oxygen looks good on Dolphin, but a bit quirky on Firefox, whereas
+Clearlooks/Nodoka look good on Firefox, but not-so-hot on Dolphin).
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i> Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+As I missed the tool rss2email in Mageia (see also
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1848">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1848</A> ), and I wanted to get some
+experience with packaging files myself I gave it a go and packaged it.
+Currently I do not have a mentor, and hence my request to you all to have
+a look at the rss2email package I created and the needed package
+python-html2text.
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+Both SRPMS and the spec files for these packages are available at
+<A HREF="https://milkzilla.webconquest.com/~remmy/mageia/">https://milkzilla.webconquest.com/~remmy/mageia/</A>
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+Any feedback you might have is appreciated.
+
+The changes to the rss2email packages compared to that found in Mandriva
+is quite extensive. The python2html package only has the main .py file
+updated to the newest upstream version.
+
+I'd like to thank Stormi who helped me with a few questions I had.
+
+Kind regards,
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+ <B>Christiaan Welvaart</B>
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+<PRE>hi,
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+The clutter library currently in cauldron doesn't work with current
+mesa, at least on my graphics hardware. This means programs like totem and
+gnibbles are not functional. Gnome-shell also appears to require a newer
+mesa.
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+A recent snapshot of mesa (the same one as in fedora rawhide probably) is
+already in svn and I tested that totem and gnibbles work with it. So maybe
+it's time to submit it to cauldron.
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+ <B>John Balcaen</B>
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+<PRE>2011/7/10 Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The clutter library currently in cauldron doesn't work with current mesa, at
+</I>&gt;<i> least on my graphics hardware. This means programs like totem and gnibbles
+</I>&gt;<i> are not functional. Gnome-shell also appears to require a newer mesa.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A recent snapshot of mesa (the same one as in fedora rawhide probably) is
+</I>&gt;<i> already in svn and I tested that totem and gnibbles work with it. So maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> it's time to submit it to cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well maybe we should update it to 7.11 rc1 ?
+cf <A HREF="http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2011-July/009273.html">http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2011-July/009273.html</A>
+
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+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 10/07/11 18:38 did gyre and
+gimble:
+&gt;<i> Gnome-shell also appears to require a newer mesa.
+</I>
+When you say it requires it, what are the symptoms of it's not there?
+
+I'm getting some interesting issues with certain apps not apparently not
+rendering certain sections correctly - I thought it was maybe due to a
+mutter patch I recommended to John, but looking at the code it seems all
+it place.
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+Could the issue I'm currently seeing be explained away by the need for a
+newer mesa?
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 10/07/11 18:38 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gnome-shell also appears to require a newer mesa.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When you say it requires it, what are the symptoms of it's not there?
+</I>There's some crash when clicking on the panel which are solved by upgrading
+ to the mesa snapshot available in the svn for my radeon card for example.
+After i stil have some graphical artificat but at least i can used it
+without crash.
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+--
+Balcaen John
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+
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/1 JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 2011.07.01, at 14:42, Dexter Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As gnome 3.2 will be available on october ( and in mageia 2 ) we will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; start to update now to gnome 3.1 to be able to report as many issues
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; as possible upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Nice!!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have some questions in my queue, but will wait till new packages are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; there so they get solved automagically ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i hope so :)
+</I>
+Well, I had no luck...
+
+Some things that crash, I will try to find info and submit proper bug
+reports:
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+- gdm crashed if I push down the power menu on the right top. Just press
+ the icon, see the menu down and wait for the crash...
+- gnome-settings-daemon crashes both for gdm and for the normal user
+- the (in) famous BSOD (&quot;Oh, no! Something has gone wrong&quot;), that I
+ relate to:
+ one:~&gt; grep register .xses*rs
+ gnome-session[15939]: WARNING: Application 'gnome-shell.desktop' failed to register before timeout
+
+I can post full .xsession-errors if you find usefoull.
+
+TIA
+
+--
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Winter is coming...
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/10 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 10/07/11 18:38 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Gnome-shell also appears to require a newer mesa.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; When you say it requires it, what are the symptoms of it's not there?
+</I>&gt;<i> There's some crash when clicking on the panel which are solved by upgrading
+</I>&gt;<i> to the mesa snapshot available in the svn for my radeon card for example.
+</I>&gt;<i> After i stil have some graphical artificat but at least i can used it
+</I>&gt;<i> without crash.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I have also something like this, in gdm login screen, just click on the
+menu icon on the right top, wait a couple seconds and gdm crashes.
+Don't know if it is related.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I have also something like this, in gdm login screen, just click on the
+</I>&gt;<i> menu icon on the right top, wait a couple seconds and gdm crashes.
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't know if it is related.
+</I>Do you have a backtrace of the crash ?
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+<PRE>2011/7/11 JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 1 Jul 2011 14:50:43 +0200, Dexter Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/1 JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On 2011.07.01, at 14:42, Dexter Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As gnome 3.2 will be available on october ( and in mageia 2 ) we will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; start to update now to gnome 3.1 to be able to report as many issues
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; as possible upstream.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Nice!!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I have some questions in my queue, but will wait till new packages are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; there so they get solved automagically ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i hope so :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I had no luck...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some things that crash, I will try to find info and submit proper bug
+</I>&gt;<i> reports:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - gdm crashed if I push down the power menu on the right top. Just press
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;the icon, see the menu down and wait for the crash...
+</I>&gt;<i> - gnome-settings-daemon crashes both for gdm and for the normal user
+</I>&gt;<i> - the (in) famous BSOD (&quot;Oh, no! Something has gone wrong&quot;), that I
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;relate to:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;one:~&gt; grep register .xses*rs
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;gnome-session[15939]: WARNING: Application 'gnome-shell.desktop' failed to register before timeout
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can post full .xsession-errors if you find usefoull.
+</I>
+yes i would appreciate your .xsession-errors please .
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 10/07/11 23:46 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 1 Jul 2011 14:50:43 +0200, Dexter Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/1 JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 2011.07.01, at 14:42, Dexter Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As gnome 3.2 will be available on october ( and in mageia 2 ) we will
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> start to update now to gnome 3.1 to be able to report as many issues
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as possible upstream.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nice!!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I have some questions in my queue, but will wait till new packages are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> there so they get solved automagically ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i hope so :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I had no luck...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some things that crash, I will try to find info and submit proper bug
+</I>&gt;<i> reports:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - gdm crashed if I push down the power menu on the right top. Just press
+</I>&gt;<i> the icon, see the menu down and wait for the crash...
+</I>
+Yeah I noticed this one recently too.
+
+&gt;<i> - gnome-settings-daemon crashes both for gdm and for the normal user
+</I>
+My g-s-d seems to run OK.
+
+&gt;<i> - the (in) famous BSOD (&quot;Oh, no! Something has gone wrong&quot;), that I
+</I>&gt;<i> relate to:
+</I>&gt;<i> one:~&gt; grep register .xses*rs
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-session[15939]: WARNING: Application 'gnome-shell.desktop' failed to register before timeout
+</I>
+I have the BSOD and this message in my .xsession-errors too FWIW.
+
+
+Ping me if more logs are helpful.
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/9 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Indeed; however are those file names correct? e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Internet%032Acces%032Facilities %032Acces&quot;, because that's the actual
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; file name in the rpm (separate issue, I guess).
+</I>&gt;<i> They are provided like this in the tarball ( cf svn
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.6/kdenetwork/kppp/DB/Provider/Netherlands/">http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.6/kdenetwork/kppp/DB/Provider/Netherlands/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> for example).
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+i disabled again the check.
+the plan would be to sync the configuration of rpmlint-mageia-policy
+with the current setup on the upload host.
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+Either using youri ( a trivial module ), or some svn script.
+I will see later, until someone beat me at this.
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/9 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/8 James Kerr&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> re-stated as:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be commingled
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> single tainted repository?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How can tainted software be free software at the same time?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Because free is a matter of license, while tainted is a matter of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> patents.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For example, the libdvdcss2 is free, as the the source-code is open (GPL)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but it touches the patent issue, so it's tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, if you regard patents not as a criterium for free or non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> then this division makes sense.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> From that point of view we need the same structure as PLF
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (tainted-free and tainted-non-free).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As well, the question of patent claims is a totally hypothetical problem, in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> almost every country -- including the USA -- for mirrors that carry distros
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> like Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (In the USA, the patent office used to systematically refuse patent claims
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on software. And patents are only examined for conflicting US patents
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before being registered. Not for the acceptability of the patent itself.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So basically, tainted is for the benefit of those who would like to support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software patents.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You say that people who obey to the laws of their country are to blame
+</I>&gt;<i> for obeying these laws? That's ridiculous.
+</I>
+It is not at all a question of obeying laws.
+A patent is granted to give certain civil rights on the part of the patent
+holder, for original developments, that are not obvious from existing
+knowledge. The idea is to encourage innovation by protecting the investments
+made by innovators.
+Because patents are granted essentially on the basis of not conflicting with
+other patents (especially software patents), there is no assurance that a
+patent is valid at all. Patents on software are particularly problematic, as
+software is based on logic, and what is obvious from existing knowledge is not
+necessarily apparent to those not in the computer field. It most countries
+such patents are denied.
+In the USA, patents on software are (at least sometimes) accepted, most patent
+claims are not supported by the courts. In other words, they are not valid.
+If you had read the reference, you should have understood that.
+
+&gt;<i> The fact that nobody (in FOSS community) has been called to court yet
+</I>&gt;<i> does not mean that the related laws do not exist!
+</I>&gt;<i> The Debian paper (Romain linked to) has an answer to the reasons.
+</I>
+Which clearly indicates that the risk is minimal in the countries where such a
+risk exists. According to the report, no cases to date against FOSS software,
+distributed by non-commercial entities. Basically my point.
+It also warns against paranoia about patents.
+This paranoia seems to me a bit like never crossing a street because one might
+get run over by a bus. Even if one crosses in a marked crosswalk.
+
+&gt;<i> Besides, tainted is not only about patents, it's also about software
+</I>&gt;<i> which is illegal in certain countries (like libdvdcss).
+</I>
+Ok, a relatively limited application.
+
+So in all, maybe a handful of packages at most should be in tainted.
+So why do we have more than 150 ?
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+&gt;<i> Speaking of the software patent stuff, the Debian Project just
+</I>&gt;<i> released a Community Distribution Patent Policy FAQ here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq">http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq</A> (announce:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110709">http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110709</A> ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>
+Interesting reading.
+Warning against paranoia regarding software patents.
+
+So maybe we should have a policy of putting packages in &quot;tainted&quot; for patent
+reasons only after being notified by the patent holder ?
+Or some other significant factor regarding actual willingness to attempt to
+enforce ? Or actual validity ?
+(In the few jurisdictions accepting software patents, of course.)
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+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Localizations for Firefox web browser.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fwang&lt;fwang&gt; 5.0.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 123010
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 5.0.1
+</I>I think cauldron should already have Firefox 6 (to test it for next
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+And there is still no Firefox 5 for mga1.. secteam?
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+&gt;<i> KDE is going to be updated to KDE SC 4.7 SC2.
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+But where the heck is 4.6.95? I can't find it on any KDE mirror!
+Where are you D/L it from?
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+&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/9 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/8 James Kerr&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> re-stated as:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> commingled
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> single tainted repository?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How can tainted software be free software at the same time?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Because free is a matter of license, while tainted is a matter of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> patents.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For example, the libdvdcss2 is free, as the the source-code is open
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (GPL)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but it touches the patent issue, so it's tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, if you regard patents not as a criterium for free or non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> then this division makes sense.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;From that point of view we need the same structure as PLF
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (tainted-free and tainted-non-free).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As well, the question of patent claims is a totally hypothetical problem,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> almost every country -- including the USA -- for mirrors that carry
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distros
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> like Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (In the USA, the patent office used to systematically refuse patent
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> claims
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on software. &#160;And patents are only examined for conflicting US patents
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> before being registered. &#160;Not for the acceptability of the patent
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> itself.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So basically, tainted is for the benefit of those who would like to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software patents.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You say that people who obey to the laws of their country are to blame
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for obeying these laws? That's ridiculous.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is not at all a question of obeying laws.
+</I>&gt;<i> A patent is granted to give certain civil rights on the part of the patent
+</I>&gt;<i> holder, for original developments, that are not obvious from existing
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge. &#160;The idea is to encourage innovation by protecting the
+</I>&gt;<i> investments made by innovators.
+</I>&gt;<i> Because patents are granted essentially on the basis of not conflicting with
+</I>&gt;<i> other patents (especially software patents), there is no assurance that a
+</I>&gt;<i> patent is valid at all. &#160;Patents on software are particularly problematic,
+</I>&gt;<i> as software is based on logic, and what is obvious from existing knowledge
+</I>&gt;<i> is not necessarily apparent to those not in the computer field. &#160;It most
+</I>&gt;<i> countries such patents are denied.
+</I>&gt;<i> In the USA, patents on software are (at least sometimes) accepted, most
+</I>&gt;<i> patent claims are not supported by the courts. &#160;In other words, they are not
+</I>&gt;<i> valid.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you had read the reference, you should have understood that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The fact that nobody (in FOSS community) has been called to court yet
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> does not mean that the related laws do not exist!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The Debian paper (Romain linked to) has an answer to the reasons.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which clearly indicates that the risk is minimal in the countries where such
+</I>&gt;<i> a risk exists. &#160;According to the report, no cases to date against FOSS
+</I>&gt;<i> software, distributed by non-commercial entities. &#160;Basically my point.
+</I>&gt;<i> It also warns against paranoia about patents.
+</I>&gt;<i> This paranoia seems to me a bit like never crossing a street because one
+</I>&gt;<i> might get run over by a bus. &#160;Even if one crosses in a marked crosswalk.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Besides, tainted is not only about patents, it's also about software
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which is illegal in certain countries (like libdvdcss).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, a relatively limited application.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So in all, maybe a handful of packages at most should be in tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i> So why do we have more than 150 ?
+</I>
+Sorry, but I do not understand your way of thinking. If a law exists
+it exists. It does not matter to a law whether it is likely to be
+enforced. Period.
+This is not paranoia, it is a matter of mind set. If robbery would not
+be prosecuted, would you go out and earn your doe by taking away
+handbags from old ladies? You would not, because it is wrong. For
+those who are living in countries where patents are valid and accepted
+by the law, using a patented software is wrong. So you must accept
+that there are people who would not do it. Telling them how they
+should think about it is not ours. That's why we have the tainted
+repo.
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+&gt;<i> Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Speaking of the software patent stuff, the Debian Project just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> released a Community Distribution Patent Policy FAQ here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq">http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq</A> (announce:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110709">http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110709</A> ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Interesting reading.
+</I>&gt;<i> Warning against paranoia regarding software patents.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So maybe we should have a policy of putting packages in &quot;tainted&quot; for
+</I>&gt;<i> patent reasons only after being notified by the patent holder ?
+</I>
+We are unlikely to be notified (Ubuntu/Debian hasn't been to my
+knowledge), so that would effectively make &quot;tainted&quot; empty.
+
+&gt;<i> Or some other significant factor regarding actual willingness to attempt
+</I>&gt;<i> to enforce ? Or actual validity ?
+</I>&gt;<i> (In the few jurisdictions accepting software patents, of course.)
+</I>
+That is what is done. If there is a licensing program or past
+enforcement, it is considered as &quot;tainted&quot;.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; KDE is going to be updated to KDE SC 4.7 SC2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> RC2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But where the heck is 4.6.95? I can't find it on any KDE mirror!
+</I>&gt;<i> Where are you D/L it from?
+</I>
+<A HREF="ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable">ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable</A> ?
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+&gt;<i> Not to mention that <A HREF="http://kde.org/info/4.6.95.php">http://kde.org/info/4.6.95.php</A> doesn't exist...
+</I>Of course 4.6.95 is the RC2 but you'll only find
+<A HREF="http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.7-rc2.php">http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.7-rc2.php</A>
+as an announce.
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+For example RC1 was 4.6.90
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+Regards
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+Following discussion about technical specifications, here is an
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+Bug report to follow discussion and history:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2120">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2120</A>
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+We need points of view, the way we could integrate it if we decide to
+go, planning (I guess it would need to start now to be full ready for
+final release)
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+Cheers
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Following discussion about technical specifications, here is an
+</I>&gt;<i> interesting item: systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> Bug report to follow discussion and history:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2120">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2120</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need points of view, the way we could integrate it if we decide to
+</I>&gt;<i> go, planning (I guess it would need to start now to be full ready for
+</I>&gt;<i> final release)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comments, proposals, shout ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a large
+experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without killing
+traditional sysvinit alternative.
+
+It would also be extremely interested to have native systemd services which
+use most of systemd features (like sound and alsa scripts, which we
+discussed with Colin and Andrey Borzenkov some months ago but never got to
+implement properly).
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>bobobot seems to have been unmaintained for a very long time (more than 10
+years), sound doesn't work anymore as it requires esound, game speed is too
+rapid on modern computers, and it's only a preview.
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+Couldn't we drop it ?
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+Samuel
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eugeni at dodonov.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:11, Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Following discussion about technical specifications, here is an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interesting item: systemd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bug report to follow discussion and history:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2120">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2120</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We need points of view, the way we could integrate it if we decide to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> go, planning (I guess it would need to start now to be full ready for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> final release)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Comments, proposals, shout ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a large
+</I>&gt;<i> experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without killing
+</I>&gt;<i> traditional sysvinit alternative.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would also be extremely interested to have native systemd services which
+</I>&gt;<i> use most of systemd features (like sound and alsa scripts, which we
+</I>&gt;<i> discussed with Colin and Andrey Borzenkov some months ago but never got to
+</I>&gt;<i> implement properly).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If you can soon that would be awesome that way we will have plenty of
+time to test before our first alpha ( and because we will have to
+rebuild packages with systemd switch to on
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+thanks for you help
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Comments, proposals, shout ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a large
+</I>&gt;<i> experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without killing
+</I>&gt;<i> traditional sysvinit alternative.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I don't have any objections ;o)
+Also since you work alot on it , why do we have some systemd files in
+initscripts ? (because i noticed that thoses files were moved back to systemd
+package)
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 12 July 2011 09:15:18 Eugeni Dodonov wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Comments, proposals, shout ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a
+</I>&gt;<i> large
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without killing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; traditional sysvinit alternative.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't have any objections ;o)
+</I>&gt;<i> Also since you work alot on it , why do we have some systemd files in
+</I>&gt;<i> initscripts ? (because i noticed that thoses files were moved back to
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> package)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Each package is free to provide its .service files for systemd, they are not
+tied to any development libraries or headers and such. In case of
+initscripts, there are (were?) many mandriva-specifics tricks which used to
+run on startup via rc.sysinit and similar approaches, so initscripts package
+looked as the best place to put them at the time I think.
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+--
+Eugeni Dodonov
+<A HREF="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 12/07/11 13:15 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a
+</I>&gt;<i> large experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without
+</I>&gt;<i> killing traditional sysvinit alternative.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would also be extremely interested to have native systemd services
+</I>&gt;<i> which use most of systemd features (like sound and alsa scripts, which
+</I>&gt;<i> we discussed with Colin and Andrey Borzenkov some months ago but never
+</I>&gt;<i> got to implement properly).
+</I>
+Massive +1 for systemd and massive +1 Eugeni wanting to help out! \o/
+
+I'll try and help out in bits and bobs too, tho' time is always a problem!
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+Open Source:
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Remove bobobot from distribution ?">mageia at colin.guthr.ie
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Samuel Verschelde at 12/07/11 13:24 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> bobobot seems to have been unmaintained for a very long time (more than 10
+</I>&gt;<i> years), sound doesn't work anymore as it requires esound, game speed is too
+</I>&gt;<i> rapid on modern computers, and it's only a preview.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Couldn't we drop it ?
+</I>
+Looks like a candidate for dropping to me.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+ Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
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+ <B>philippe makowski</B>
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+ <I>Tue Jul 12 15:03:46 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Hi,
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+remember this first draft (<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=python_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=python_policy</A>)
+that is still a draft
+
+now we have also Python3 so we really need to write our policy
+I see mainly two majors points :
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+1/ pyc, pyo management
+2/ having Python2 and Python3
+
+about 1/ :
+it seems that the best would be to package only py (smallest packages)
+and having triggers on install and on remove to manage pyc and pyo
+(That's in fact the Debian way
+(<A HREF="http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-module_packages.html#s-byte_compilation">http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-module_packages.html#s-byte_compilation</A>))
+
+if we go this way, we need someone to write triggers and people to
+review all Python packages
+(I'm ok to work on that review, for triggers, I have no clue on how to
+do, but may be that with some help I could try)
+
+about 2/ :
+
+again we have to review all Python packages to see if they run under
+Python3 or not and to package them for Python2 and Python3
+(I'm ok to work on that review)
+may be that the Fedora policy can help us for that ?:
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Python">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Python</A>
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2">ennael at mageia.org
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+<PRE>Yet another burning subject that needs time to think about it and
+eventually migrate to.
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2121">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2121</A>
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+Grub 2 is coming now regularly in proposals. What should we do about it :
+- Stay with Grub 1 - pb ? maintainance ? restrictions ?
+- Switch to Grub 2 : smooth migration, tests, integration...
+- another alternative ?
+
+As usual, comments, proposals...
+
+Cheers
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+&gt;<i> 12.07.2011 10:54, Mageia Team kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Localizations for Firefox web browser.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fwang&lt;fwang&gt; &#160;5.0.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 123010
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - new version 5.0.1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think cauldron should already have Firefox 6 (to test it for next stable
+</I>&gt;<i> release on mga1).
+</I>&gt;<i> And there is still no Firefox 5 for mga1.. secteam?
+</I>
+This is not up to sec team yet. I hope to finish to prepare FF 5.0.1
+for mga1 this week
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+ <B>Jos&#233; Jorge</B>
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+ <I>Tue Jul 12 16:29:31 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Le mardi 12 juillet 2011 15:12:52, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Yet another burning subject that needs time to think about it and
+</I>&gt;<i> eventually migrate to.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2121">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2121</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Grub 2 is coming now regularly in proposals. What should we do about it :
+</I>&gt;<i> - Stay with Grub 1 - pb ? maintainance ? restrictions ?
+</I>&gt;<i> - Switch to Grub 2 : smooth migration, tests, integration...
+</I>
+SWITCH!
+
+We can switch Cauldron now, to get massive tests, now that KDM knows it.
+
+I feel it is specially important that drakboot, gdm and kdm work nicely with
+it (ie. no regression).
+
+- Test also multiboot with Ubuntu and Fedora (auto-detection)
+
+And still keep GRUB1 till Mageia 3, to have a simple go back avalaible for
+people who will have problems with GRUB2.
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> SWITCH!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can switch Cauldron now, to get massive tests, now that KDM knows it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I feel it is specially important that drakboot, gdm and kdm work nicely
+</I>&gt;<i> with
+</I>&gt;<i> it (ie. no regression).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>More than that... Still other dm like LxDM need to be tested.
+
+But, is drakboot support LxDM/Slim..., other than KDM/GDM?
+
+&gt;<i> - Test also multiboot with Ubuntu and Fedora (auto-detection)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And still keep GRUB1 till Mageia 3, to have a simple go back avalaible
+</I>&gt;<i> for
+</I>&gt;<i> people who will have problems with GRUB2.
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+ <B>philippe makowski</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+I started to write a mgarepo howto
+feel free to contribute ;)
+
+I think also that part of this future howto can be added to man
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+<PRE>2011/7/12 philippe makowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I started to write a mgarepo howto
+</I>&gt;<i> feel free to contribute ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think also that part of this future howto can be added to man
+</I>
+url ? :)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Repository%20question%3A%20where%20do%20we%20put%0A%09non-free%2Btainted%20RPMs%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201107121204.16371.ewilcox%40bex.net%3E"
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:16:24 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</I>Message-ID:
+ &lt;CA+h4nj6KtYu8vUFcZ4mWUO08J5ZyxB5XnN2bsSLoqm8R7w6E=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">w at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/7/12 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011/7/9 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/7/8 James Kerr&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; This thread has strayed far from the original question, &gt; which
+</I>could
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; re-stated as:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; commingled
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; single tainted repository?
+</I>
+...
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Besides, tainted is not only about patents, it's also about software
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; which is illegal in certain countries (like libdvdcss).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ok, a relatively limited application.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So in all, maybe a handful of packages at most should be in tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So why do we have more than 150 ?
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Sorry, but I do not understand your way of thinking. If a law exists
+</I>&gt;<i> it exists. It does not matter to a law whether it is likely to be
+</I>&gt;<i> enforced. Period.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is not paranoia, it is a matter of mind set. If robbery would not
+</I>&gt;<i> be prosecuted, would you go out and earn your doe by taking away
+</I>&gt;<i> handbags from old ladies? You would not, because it is wrong. For
+</I>&gt;<i> those who are living in countries where patents are valid and accepted
+</I>&gt;<i> by the law, using a patented software is wrong. So you must accept
+</I>&gt;<i> that there are people who would not do it. Telling them how they
+</I>&gt;<i> should think about it is not ours. That's why we have the tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> repo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>
++1
+
+I live in the USA, and while I do not personally support the concept of
+software pantents, I also do not want to violate them as long as they are
+leagally recognized where I live.
+
+For me, this is not a matter of risk, but one of ethics, morality, and
+respect. IMHO, the fact that my Countries Society recognizes patents as being
+legally binding makes it my responsibility to honor them, so I want to know if
+a software package may be affected by one or more patent(s) before I install it
+on my computer. If I know that (for example) package foo is affected by a
+patent, I can search for the patent holder, and make contact to request
+permission to ust the software, then abide with their response. This way, I
+fulfill my obligation to ask permission before using software that is (or may
+be) affected by some one elses property. I would no more use patented software
+without permission here in the USA than I would take my neighbor's lawnmower
+to cut my grass without his permission.
+
+I understand that the following may not be practicable, but I would like all
+software that is affected by a patent (and perhaps other licensing or copyright
+restrictions) to be placed in a &quot;restricted&quot; (tainted) repository. Also I
+would like to see patent (or contact) information in the software package's
+description to help facilitate my ability to ask permission to use the
+software. By doing these things, Mageia is doing more to support my ability to
+live by my personal convictions than to support patent law.
+
+Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+Registered Linux User 247790
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?">molch.b at googlemail.com
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+ <I>Tue Jul 12 18:51:00 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>2011/7/12 Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ewilcox at bex.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:16:24 +0200
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> From: Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;&lt;CA+h4nj6KtYu8vUFcZ4mWUO08J5ZyxB5XnN2bsSLoqm8R7w6E=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">w at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/12 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011/7/9 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/7/8 James Kerr&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; This thread has strayed far from the original question, &gt; which
+</I>&gt;<i> could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; re-stated as:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; commingled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; single tainted repository?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Besides, tainted is not only about patents, it's also about software
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; which is illegal in certain countries (like libdvdcss).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Ok, a relatively limited application.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; So in all, maybe a handful of packages at most should be in tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; So why do we have more than 150 ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, but I do not understand your way of thinking. If a law exists
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it exists. It does not matter to a law whether it is likely to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> enforced. Period.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is not paranoia, it is a matter of mind set. If robbery would not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be prosecuted, would you go out and earn your doe by taking away
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> handbags from old ladies? You would not, because it is wrong. For
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> those who are living in countries where patents are valid and accepted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by the law, using a patented software is wrong. So you must accept
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that there are people who would not do it. Telling them how they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should think about it is not ours. That's why we have the tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I live in the USA, and while I do not personally support the concept of
+</I>&gt;<i> software pantents, I also do not want to violate them as long as they are
+</I>&gt;<i> leagally recognized where I live.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For me, this is not a matter of risk, but one of ethics, morality, and
+</I>&gt;<i> respect. IMHO, the fact that my Countries Society recognizes patents as being
+</I>&gt;<i> legally binding makes it my responsibility to honor them, so I want to know if
+</I>&gt;<i> a software package may be affected by one or more patent(s) before I install it
+</I>&gt;<i> on my computer. If &#160;I know that (for example) package foo is affected by a
+</I>&gt;<i> patent, I can search for the patent holder, and make contact to request
+</I>&gt;<i> permission to ust the software, then abide with their response. This way, I
+</I>&gt;<i> fulfill my obligation to ask permission before using software that is (or may
+</I>&gt;<i> be) affected by some one elses property. I would no more use patented software
+</I>&gt;<i> without permission here in the USA than I would take my neighbor's lawnmower
+</I>&gt;<i> to cut my grass without his permission.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand that the following may not be practicable, but I would like all
+</I>&gt;<i> software that is affected by a patent (and perhaps other licensing or copyright
+</I>&gt;<i> restrictions) to be placed in a &quot;restricted&quot; (tainted) repository. Also I
+</I>&gt;<i> would like to see patent (or contact) information in the software package's
+</I>&gt;<i> description to help facilitate my ability to ask permission to use the
+</I>&gt;<i> software. By doing these things, Mageia is doing more to support my ability to
+</I>&gt;<i> live by my personal convictions than to support patent law.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thx for youor thoughts, this is the first time a user participates in
+this discussion who is actually affected by the issue we are talking
+about. It's a totally different point of view if you are affected and
+you care. This is something we should regard as a standard in all
+discussions about such issues: ask the people who are affected by the
+issue in question.
+
+--
+wobo
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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 12 July 2011 17:48:00 <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision: 123240
+</I>&gt;<i> Author: fwang
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: 2011-07-12 17:48:00 +0200 (Tue, 12 Jul 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message:
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------
+</I>&gt;<i> new version 2.0 rc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+Just to be sure you did notice that digikam software collection is also
+providing kipi-plugins since beta1 ?
+Also it's comming with some libs provided by KDE SC ( libkipi, libkdcraw,
+libexiv2 &amp; libksane).
+Neoclust should patch digikam collection SE to check for system libs but if
+you don't want to wait maybe we can simply patch/sed the CMakeLists.txt to
+check system's one.
+Please note also that ze was working on it last week.
+
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+--
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+ <B>Matteo</B>
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+Il 12/07/2011 18:19, Anne nicolas ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/12 philippe makowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I started to write a mgarepo howto
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> feel free to contribute ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think also that part of this future howto can be added to man
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> url ? :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Maybe it's <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mgarepo_howto">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mgarepo_howto</A>
+bye
+
+- --
+Matteo
+
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+<PRE>On Sunday 10 July 2011 14:45:53 you wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/10 Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The clutter library currently in cauldron doesn't work with current
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mesa, at least on my graphics hardware. This means programs like totem
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and gnibbles are not functional. Gnome-shell also appears to require a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; newer mesa.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A recent snapshot of mesa (the same one as in fedora rawhide probably)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; already in svn and I tested that totem and gnibbles work with it. So
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; maybe it's time to submit it to cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well maybe we should update it to 7.11 rc1 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> cf <A HREF="http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2011-July/009273.html">http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2011-July/009273.html</A>
+</I>
+So i'm pushing mesa 7.11 rc1
+however i enabled back mesaglut.
+
+Regards,
+--
+Balcaen John
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Kira &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> SWITCH!
+</I>
+I vote for SWITCH too because GRUB2 supports booting large disks and
+hardware RAID devices with GPT partition tables.
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+<PRE>Jos&#233; Jorge a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 12 juillet 2011 15:12:52, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yet another burning subject that needs time to think about it and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> eventually migrate to.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2121">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2121</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Grub 2 is coming now regularly in proposals. What should we do about it :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Stay with Grub 1 - pb ? maintainance ? restrictions ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Switch to Grub 2 : smooth migration, tests, integration...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> SWITCH!
+</I>
++1
+
+&gt;<i> We can switch Cauldron now, to get massive tests, now that KDM knows it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I feel it is specially important that drakboot, gdm and kdm work nicely with
+</I>&gt;<i> it (ie. no regression).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Test also multiboot with Ubuntu and Fedora (auto-detection)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And still keep GRUB1 till Mageia 3, to have a simple go back avalaible for
+</I>&gt;<i> people who will have problems with GRUB2.
+</I>
++1
+So nobody gets stranded.
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+<PRE>philippe makowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> remember this first draft (<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=python_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=python_policy</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> that is still a draft
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> now we have also Python3 so we really need to write our policy
+</I>&gt;<i> I see mainly two majors points :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1/ pyc, pyo management
+</I>&gt;<i> 2/ having Python2 and Python3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> about 1/ :
+</I>&gt;<i> it seems that the best would be to package only py (smallest packages)
+</I>&gt;<i> and having triggers on install and on remove to manage pyc and pyo
+</I>&gt;<i> (That's in fact the Debian way
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-module_packages.html#s-byte_compilation">http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-module_packages.html#s-byte_compilation</A>))
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if we go this way, we need someone to write triggers and people to
+</I>&gt;<i> review all Python packages
+</I>&gt;<i> (I'm ok to work on that review, for triggers, I have no clue on how to
+</I>&gt;<i> do, but may be that with some help I could try)
+</I>
++1
+(Although I don't have any idea how to do it yet either, but would be willing
+to try with some help, as well.)
+
+&gt;<i> about 2/ :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> again we have to review all Python packages to see if they run under
+</I>&gt;<i> Python3 or not and to package them for Python2 and Python3
+</I>&gt;<i> (I'm ok to work on that review)
+</I>&gt;<i> may be that the Fedora policy can help us for that ?:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Python">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Python</A>
+</I>
+I think it would be very useful to have coexisting python2 &amp; 3 (like fedora).
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+<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/12 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/9 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/8 James Kerr&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> re-stated as:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> commingled
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> single tainted repository?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How can tainted software be free software at the same time?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Because free is a matter of license, while tainted is a matter of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> patents.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For example, the libdvdcss2 is free, as the the source-code is open
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (GPL)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but it touches the patent issue, so it's tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, if you regard patents not as a criterium for free or non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> then this division makes sense.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> From that point of view we need the same structure as PLF
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (tainted-free and tainted-non-free).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As well, the question of patent claims is a totally hypothetical problem,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> almost every country -- including the USA -- for mirrors that carry
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distros
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> like Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (In the USA, the patent office used to systematically refuse patent
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> claims
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on software. And patents are only examined for conflicting US patents
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> before being registered. Not for the acceptability of the patent
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> itself.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So basically, tainted is for the benefit of those who would like to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software patents.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You say that people who obey to the laws of their country are to blame
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for obeying these laws? That's ridiculous.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is not at all a question of obeying laws.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A patent is granted to give certain civil rights on the part of the patent
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> holder, for original developments, that are not obvious from existing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> knowledge. The idea is to encourage innovation by protecting the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> investments made by innovators.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Because patents are granted essentially on the basis of not conflicting with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other patents (especially software patents), there is no assurance that a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patent is valid at all. Patents on software are particularly problematic,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as software is based on logic, and what is obvious from existing knowledge
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is not necessarily apparent to those not in the computer field. It most
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> countries such patents are denied.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In the USA, patents on software are (at least sometimes) accepted, most
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patent claims are not supported by the courts. In other words, they are not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> valid.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you had read the reference, you should have understood that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The fact that nobody (in FOSS community) has been called to court yet
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> does not mean that the related laws do not exist!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The Debian paper (Romain linked to) has an answer to the reasons.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which clearly indicates that the risk is minimal in the countries where such
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a risk exists. According to the report, no cases to date against FOSS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software, distributed by non-commercial entities. Basically my point.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It also warns against paranoia about patents.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This paranoia seems to me a bit like never crossing a street because one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> might get run over by a bus. Even if one crosses in a marked crosswalk.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Besides, tainted is not only about patents, it's also about software
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> which is illegal in certain countries (like libdvdcss).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok, a relatively limited application.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So in all, maybe a handful of packages at most should be in tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So why do we have more than 150 ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, but I do not understand your way of thinking. If a law exists
+</I>&gt;<i> it exists. It does not matter to a law whether it is likely to be
+</I>&gt;<i> enforced. Period.
+</I>
+True. But patents have nothing to do with enforcing laws.
+
+&gt;<i> This is not paranoia, it is a matter of mind set. If robbery would not
+</I>&gt;<i> be prosecuted, would you go out and earn your doe by taking away
+</I>&gt;<i> handbags from old ladies? You would not, because it is wrong. For
+</I>&gt;<i> those who are living in countries where patents are valid and accepted
+</I>&gt;<i> by the law, using a patented software is wrong. So you must accept
+</I>&gt;<i> that there are people who would not do it. Telling them how they
+</I>&gt;<i> should think about it is not ours. That's why we have the tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> repo.
+</I>
+In my mind, this argument misses the concept of software patents.
+Firstly, patents are not laws. They are civil rights granted in exchange for
+encouraging innovation.
+However patents on software are granted without ensuring that the patents are
+valid. (At least in the USA.) There is only a check on conflicts with other
+patents. This is easy to understand, as validating patents on software is
+quasi-impossible without considerable time and expense. Which is probably why
+most countries do not accept software patents.
+
+Software patents in fact discourage innovation, going against the basic
+justification of patents.
+In practice, virtually all software patents in the USA are found to be invalid,
+when contested in the courts. Usually a form of costly legal harcelling is
+used to extract royalties, from companies with deep pockets.
+
+Note that patents are nothing more than a civil right, akin to trespassing.
+So if someone walks up your sidewalk to knock on your door, would you accuse
+them of trespassing ? I doubt it.
+And I don't think that I would want to have such a neighbour.
+A patent holder is not required to procecute, and in certain cases _not_
+procecuting is very much in the interest of the patent holder.
+Such as distributors of open source source software, who will tend to spread
+the use of the particular functionality referred to by the patent.
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+For all these reasons, I think that it is much more appropriate to wait to be
+approached by the patent holder.
+(If not ourselves, then some other distro.)
+And if that means that our constrained (&quot;tainted&quot;) repos are almost empty,
+wouldn't that simplify things ?
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+---
+I noticed that all packages in &quot;tainted&quot; contain &quot;.tainted.&quot; in the name.
+rsync permits adding the option
+--exclude '.tainted.'
+to permit excluding such packages if a mirror wants to.
+
+So we could eliminate the &quot;tainted&quot; repos, to facilitate putting packages in
+core or non-free as appropriate.
+There may have to be a few adjustments to show (or not) the packages tagged
+&quot;tainted&quot;, but that shouldn't be difficult.
+Wouldn't that be easier ?
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+(At the same time, we could choose a name that doesn't indicate that there is
+something intrinsically wrong with the package.)
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+Regards :)
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+</I>&gt;<i> For all these reasons, I think that it is much more appropriate to wait to
+</I>&gt;<i> be approached by the patent holder.
+</I>&gt;<i> (If not ourselves, then some other distro.)
+</I>&gt;<i> And if that means that our constrained (&quot;tainted&quot;) repos are almost empty,
+</I>&gt;<i> wouldn't that simplify things ?
+</I>
+I strongly advise NOT to do this. I gave my reasons and (much more
+important) one of the people who are affected gave his reasons.
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+I see no sense in continuing this. We have a different perception of
+laws, so it seems.
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+</I>&gt;<i> For all these reasons, I think that it is much more appropriate to wait to
+</I>&gt;<i> be approached by the patent holder.
+</I>&gt;<i> (If not ourselves, then some other distro.)
+</I>I hope you're not serious when writing thoses lines.
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+&gt;<i> I noticed that all packages in &quot;tainted&quot; contain &quot;.tainted.&quot; in the name.
+</I>&gt;<i> rsync permits adding the option
+</I>&gt;<i> --exclude '.tainted.'
+</I>&gt;<i> to permit excluding such packages if a mirror wants to.
+</I>
+You should not do that, because you will end up with a broken repository, as
+the hdlist files will contain references to files which are not present on
+the mirror.
+A repository must be mirrored entirely or not at all.
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+exclude some directory, they surely don't want to maintain per mirror custom
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+<PRE>andre999 skrev 12.7.2011 23:48:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So we could eliminate the &quot;tainted&quot; repos, to facilitate putting packages in
+</I>&gt;<i> core or non-free as appropriate.
+</I>&gt;<i> There may have to be a few adjustments to show (or not) the packages tagged
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;tainted&quot;, but that shouldn't be difficult.
+</I>&gt;<i> Wouldn't that be easier ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (At the same time, we could choose a name that doesn't indicate that there is
+</I>&gt;<i> something intrinsically wrong with the package.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+NO.
+
+The decision to have a separated repo for tainted software is not up for
+debate... It has already been discussed and decided long ago.
+
+as for the question that started this thread:
+
+&quot;Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?&quot;
+
+It's simple, and even outlined in the mirrors_policy:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy</A>
+
+If there is a package that otherwise matches core or nonfree repos,
+but has a possible patent issue it ends up in tainted.
+
+
+As for splitting up tainted in tainted-core/tainted-nonfree,
+I dont think it's really worth it, and no-one really argued
+for it when we discussed the mirror layout...
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 12 July 2011 16:48:58 andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For all these reasons, I think that it is much more appropriate to wait to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be approached by the patent holder.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (If not ourselves, then some other distro.)
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope you're not serious when writing thoses lines.
+</I>
+Actually, this is what seems to be a standard process in the industry
+when you read the headlines.
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+One doesn't hear about (software) patents when licensing occurs &quot;as
+expected&quot;, but when someone in the industry challenges (or is
+challenged by) some other actor patent. Because that's the only way to
+prove a patent to be ineffective (for various reasons) before it
+expires.
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+the initial question in this thread - tmb reframed it well).
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+&gt;<i> andre999 skrev 12.7.2011 23:48:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So we could eliminate the &quot;tainted&quot; repos, to facilitate putting packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> core or non-free as appropriate.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There may have to be a few adjustments to show (or not) the packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tagged
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;tainted&quot;, but that shouldn't be difficult.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wouldn't that be easier ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (At the same time, we could choose a name that doesn't indicate that there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something intrinsically wrong with the package.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> NO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The decision to have a separated repo for tainted software is not up for
+</I>&gt;<i> debate... It has already been discussed and decided long ago.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> as for the question that started this thread:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's simple, and even outlined in the mirrors_policy:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If there is a package that otherwise matches core or nonfree repos,
+</I>&gt;<i> but has a possible patent issue it ends up in tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As for splitting up tainted in tainted-core/tainted-nonfree,
+</I>&gt;<i> I dont think it's really worth it, and no-one really argued
+</I>&gt;<i> for it when we discussed the mirror layout...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i can't agree more with you thomas.
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+<PRE>2011/7/12 Dexter Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> andre999 skrev 12.7.2011 23:48:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So we could eliminate the &quot;tainted&quot; repos, to facilitate putting packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> core or non-free as appropriate.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There may have to be a few adjustments to show (or not) the packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tagged
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;tainted&quot;, but that shouldn't be difficult.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Wouldn't that be easier ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (At the same time, we could choose a name that doesn't indicate that there
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> something intrinsically wrong with the package.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> NO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The decision to have a separated repo for tainted software is not up for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> debate... It has already been discussed and decided long ago.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as for the question that started this thread:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's simple, and even outlined in the mirrors_policy:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If there is a package that otherwise matches core or nonfree repos,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but has a possible patent issue it ends up in tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As for splitting up tainted in tainted-core/tainted-nonfree,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I dont think it's really worth it, and no-one really argued
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for it when we discussed the mirror layout...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i can't agree more with you thomas.
+</I>
+That's what I've been saying at the beginning of this discussion
+(before I dived into the argument with andre999)
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+ <I>Wed Jul 13 00:30:41 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Hello.
+
+mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+
+$ mgarepo maintdb --help
+Usage:
+ Take maintainership of one package :
+ mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+
+ Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+ mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+
+ See who is maintainer of a package :
+ mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+
+ See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+ mgarepo maintdb get
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+ <B>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</B>
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+<PRE>Excellent, i'll be happy to try it! Thanks!
+------Message d'origine------
+De: nicolas vigier
+Exp&#233;diteur&#160;: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A>
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+Objet: [Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+Envoy&#233;: 13 juil. 2011 00:30
+
+Hello.
+
+mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
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+$ mgarepo maintdb --help
+Usage:
+ Take maintainership of one package :
+ mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+
+ Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+ mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+
+ See who is maintainer of a package :
+ mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+
+ See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+ mgarepo maintdb get
+
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+ <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2">jamagallon at ono.com
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+<PRE>On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:29:31 +0200, Jos&#233; Jorge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 12 juillet 2011 15:12:52, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yet another burning subject that needs time to think about it and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; eventually migrate to.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2121">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2121</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Grub 2 is coming now regularly in proposals. What should we do about it :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Stay with Grub 1 - pb ? maintainance ? restrictions ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Switch to Grub 2 : smooth migration, tests, integration...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> SWITCH!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
++1
+
+&gt;<i> We can switch Cauldron now, to get massive tests, now that KDM knows it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I feel it is specially important that drakboot, gdm and kdm work nicely with
+</I>&gt;<i> it (ie. no regression).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Test also multiboot with Ubuntu and Fedora (auto-detection)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And still keep GRUB1 till Mageia 3, to have a simple go back avalaible for
+</I>&gt;<i> people who will have problems with GRUB2.
+</I>
+What for ? Any day from now everybody will be using btrfs to boot and then
+GRUB 1 is useless...
+
+--
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Winter is coming...
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Repository%20question%3A%20where%20do%20we%20put%20non-free%2Btainted%0A%20RPMs%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4E1CD012.4040002%40laposte.net%3E"
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+<PRE>So there seems to be a wish for an other answer to this request :
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1730">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1730</A>
+
+Faac (and rpms built with it ) might appear at least in tainted repo ?
+same as they are in plf ... or in Debian squeeze multimedia repo, or in
+ATrpms repo for Fedora 15
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+<PRE>On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:13:40 +0200, Dexter Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/11 JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, 1 Jul 2011 14:50:43 +0200, Dexter Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011/7/1 JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; On 2011.07.01, at 14:42, Dexter Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; As gnome 3.2 will be available on october ( and in mageia 2 ) we will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; start to update now to gnome 3.1 to be able to report as many issues
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; as possible upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Nice!!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; I have some questions in my queue, but will wait till new packages are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; there so they get solved automagically ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i hope so :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well, I had no luck...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Some things that crash, I will try to find info and submit proper bug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; reports:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - gdm crashed if I push down the power menu on the right top. Just press
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160;the icon, see the menu down and wait for the crash...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - gnome-settings-daemon crashes both for gdm and for the normal user
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - the (in) famous BSOD (&quot;Oh, no! Something has gone wrong&quot;), that I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160;relate to:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160;one:~&gt; grep register .xses*rs
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160;gnome-session[15939]: WARNING: Application 'gnome-shell.desktop' failed to register before timeout
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I can post full .xsession-errors if you find usefoull.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yes i would appreciate your .xsession-errors please .
+</I>
+Here it goes:
+
+/etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
+/etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Setup done, will execute: /usr/bin/ssh-agent -- /usr/share/X11/xdm/Xsession GNOME
+gnome-session[3403]: WARNING: Could not parse desktop file /home/magallon/.config/autostart/xfconf-migration-4.6.desktop: Key file does not have key 'Name'
+gnome-session[3403]: WARNING: could not read /home/magallon/.config/autostart/xfconf-migration-4.6.desktop
+gnome-session[3403]: WARNING: Could not parse desktop file /home/magallon/.config/autostart/xfce4-tips-autostart.desktop: Key file does not have key 'Name'
+gnome-session[3403]: WARNING: could not read /home/magallon/.config/autostart/xfce4-tips-autostart.desktop
+gnome-session[3403]: WARNING: Could not parse desktop file /home/magallon/.config/autostart/xfce4-settings-helper-autostart.desktop: Key file does not have key 'Name'
+gnome-session[3403]: WARNING: could not read /home/magallon/.config/autostart/xfce4-settings-helper-autostart.desktop
+gnome-session[3403]: WARNING: Could not parse desktop file /home/magallon/.config/autostart/xfce4-firstrun.desktop: Key file does not have key 'Name'
+gnome-session[3403]: WARNING: could not read /home/magallon/.config/autostart/xfce4-firstrun.desktop
+** Message: couldn't connect to dbus session bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
+GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/magallon/keyring-DNlFhp
+GPG_AGENT_INFO=/tmp/magallon/keyring-DNlFhp/gpg:0:1
+GNOME_KEYRING_PID=3510
+** Message: couldn't connect to dbus session bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
+GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/magallon/keyring-SeyQws
+GNOME_KEYRING_PID=3514
+** Message: couldn't connect to dbus session bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
+GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/magallon/keyring-S53Crx
+SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/magallon/keyring-S53Crx/ssh
+GNOME_KEYRING_PID=3524
+** Message: couldn't connect to dbus session bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
+GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/magallon/keyring-8Ocupz
+GNOME_KEYRING_PID=3528
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): color-plugin-WARNING **: failed to enumerate directory /home/magallon/.color/icc: No such file or directory
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+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ffa9 (keycodes: 199) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ffb0 (keycodes: 200) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ffb1 (keycodes: 201) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff12 (keycodes: 121) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff11 (keycodes: 122) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff13 (keycodes: 123) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff2c (keycodes: 170) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff5d (keycodes: 152) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff32 (keycodes: 234) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff1d (keycodes: 148) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff1b (keycodes: 225) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff19 (keycodes: 223) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff2e (keycodes: 158) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff14 (keycodes: 215) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff31 (keycodes: 209) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff15 (keycodes: 174) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff16 (keycodes: 173) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff17 (keycodes: 171) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff3e (keycodes: 176) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff97 (keycodes: 216) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff59 (keycodes: 235) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+
+(gnome-settings-daemon:3522): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x1008ff74 (keycodes: 162) with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0) has no usable modifiers (usable modifiers are 0x140000ed)
+ JS LOG: GNOME Shell started at Wed Jul 13 2011 00:55:42 GMT+0200 (CEST)
+gnome-session[3403]: WARNING: Application 'gnome-shell.desktop' failed to register before timeout
+
+** (polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:3612): WARNING **: Unable to register authentication agent: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject
+Cannot register authentication agent: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject
+Initializing tracker-store...
+Tracker-Message: Checking XDG_DATA_HOME is writable and exists
+Tracker-Message: XDG_DATA_HOME is '(null)'
+Initializing tracker-miner-fs...
+Tracker-Message: Checking XDG_DATA_HOME is writable and exists
+Tracker-Message: XDG_DATA_HOME is '(null)'
+Tracker-Message: Path is OK
+Tracker-Message: XDG_DATA_HOME set to '/home/magallon/.local/share'
+Tracker-Message: Path is OK
+Tracker-Message: Setting up monitor for changes to config file:'/home/magallon/.config/tracker/tracker-store.cfg'
+Tracker-Message: Path is OK
+Tracker-Message: XDG_DATA_HOME set to '/home/magallon/.local/share'
+Tracker-Message: Path is OK
+Tracker-Message: Setting process priority
+Tracker-Message: Loading defaults into GKeyFile...
+Tracker-Message: Setting up monitor for changes to config file:'/home/magallon/.config/tracker/tracker-db.cfg'
+Tracker-Message: Setting up monitor for changes to config file:'/home/magallon/.config/tracker/tracker-miner-fs.cfg'
+Tracker-Message: Loading defaults into GKeyFile...
+Tracker-Message: Log verbosity is set to 0, disabling D-Bus client lookup
+Starting log:
+ File:'/home/magallon/.local/share/tracker/tracker-store.log'
+Tracker-Message: Loading defaults into GKeyFile...
+** Message: applet now removed from the notification area
+Initializing nautilus-open-terminal extension
+Starting log:
+ File:'/home/magallon/.local/share/tracker/tracker-miner-fs.log'
+** Message: applet now embedded in the notification area
+Initializing nautilus-gdu extension
+
+(evolution-alarm-notify:3621): GLib-GIO-WARNING **: Your application does not implement g_application_activate() and has no handlers connected to the 'activate' signal. It should do one of these.
+/home/magallon/.net_applet should be set to TRUE or use net_applet --force
+ JS ERROR: !!! Exception was: TypeError: this._workspaces is undefined
+ JS ERROR: !!! lineNumber = '804'
+ JS ERROR: !!! fileName = '&quot;/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/workspacesView.js&quot;'
+ JS ERROR: !!! stack = '&quot;([object _private_Meta_Screen],[object _private_GLib_ParamSpec])@/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/workspacesView.js:804
+([object _private_Meta_Screen],[object _private_GLib_ParamSpec])@/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:110
+()@/usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions/<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">auto-move-windows at gnome-shell-extensions.gnome.org</A>/extension.js:92
+&quot;'
+ JS ERROR: !!! message = '&quot;this._workspaces is undefined&quot;'
+
+--
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Winter is coming...
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+ <B>Thomas Spuhler</B>
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+ <I>Wed Jul 13 03:56:07 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>I am working on kolab upgrade which requirtes a lot of horde packages to be
+ugraded and/or added. Expect some breakage.
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+Thomas
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?">andr55 at laposte.net
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+<PRE>Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 23:08, Balcaen John&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tuesday 12 July 2011 16:48:58 andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For all these reasons, I think that it is much more appropriate to wait to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be approached by the patent holder.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (If not ourselves, then some other distro.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I hope you're not serious when writing thoses lines.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually, this is what seems to be a standard process in the industry
+</I>&gt;<i> when you read the headlines.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One doesn't hear about (software) patents when licensing occurs &quot;as
+</I>&gt;<i> expected&quot;, but when someone in the industry challenges (or is
+</I>&gt;<i> challenged by) some other actor patent. Because that's the only way to
+</I>&gt;<i> prove a patent to be ineffective (for various reasons) before it
+</I>&gt;<i> expires.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (I am not proposing one or the other option - and it's going out of
+</I>&gt;<i> the initial question in this thread - tmb reframed it well).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>
+Ok.
+Part of my last post seems to have been overlooked.
+It proposes a solution to the problem presented in this thread ... where to put
+packages which qualify for both non-free and &quot;tainted&quot;.
+
+Note that all packages in &quot;tainted&quot; contain &quot;.tainted.&quot; in the name.
+
+rsync, used to update the mirrors, permits adding the option
+--exclude '.tainted.'
+to permit excluding such packages if a mirror wants to.
+
+So packages now in the &quot;tainted&quot; repos would be put in core or non-free as
+appropriate.
+
+And mirrors in affected countries, who choose to opt out of packages now in
+&quot;tainted&quot; would simply add the above rsync option.
+Most mirrors, which now carry &quot;tainted&quot;, would drop the &quot;tainted&quot; repos. (If
+they don't, these repos would simply become empty, so no harm done.)
+
+This would have the effect of making packages now in &quot;tainted&quot; more readily
+available, since it wouldn't be necessary to add these repos.
+Which should please the packagers that make these packages.
+
+We would have to make a few adjustments to show (or not) the packages tagged as
+&quot;tainted&quot;, but that shouldn't be difficult.
+
+So we would eliminate 10 respositories, while keeping the same functionality,
+as well as solving the non-free vs. tainted problem.
+
+Wouldn't that work ?
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>On 12 July 2011 23:14, Renaud MICHEL &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On mardi 12 juillet 2011 at 22:48, andre999 wrote :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I noticed that all packages in &quot;tainted&quot; contain &quot;.tainted.&quot; in the name.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rsync permits adding the option
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --exclude '.tainted.'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to permit excluding such packages if a mirror wants to.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should not do that, because you will end up with a broken repository, as
+</I>&gt;<i> the hdlist files will contain references to files which are not present on
+</I>&gt;<i> the mirror.
+</I>&gt;<i> A repository must be mirrored entirely or not at all.
+</I>
+Yes, but then tainted is a separate repo, mirror admins can simply not
+mirror it if they want (that was one of the reasons why it _is_ a
+separate repo). So not mirroring tainted wouldn't break anything
+(other than that users won't get the full set of repos, but that's up
+to each mirror admin to decide, we only offer the option).
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (And I think it is already enough work for the mirror maintainers to have to
+</I>&gt;<i> exclude some directory, they surely don't want to maintain per mirror custom
+</I>&gt;<i> rules)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Renaud Michel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+I used the wrong name when importing
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 03:03:46PM +0200, philippe makowski wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> remember this first draft (<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=python_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=python_policy</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> that is still a draft
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> now we have also Python3 so we really need to write our policy
+</I>&gt;<i> I see mainly two majors points :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1/ pyc, pyo management
+</I>&gt;<i> 2/ having Python2 and Python3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> about 1/ :
+</I>&gt;<i> it seems that the best would be to package only py (smallest packages)
+</I>&gt;<i> and having triggers on install and on remove to manage pyc and pyo
+</I>&gt;<i> (That's in fact the Debian way
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-module_packages.html#s-byte_compilation">http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-module_packages.html#s-byte_compilation</A>))
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if we go this way, we need someone to write triggers and people to
+</I>&gt;<i> review all Python packages
+</I>&gt;<i> (I'm ok to work on that review, for triggers, I have no clue on how to
+</I>&gt;<i> do, but may be that with some help I could try)
+</I>
+The tricky part was not to make sure that file are properly ghosted ?
+
+&gt;<i> about 2/ :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> again we have to review all Python packages to see if they run under
+</I>&gt;<i> Python3 or not and to package them for Python2 and Python3
+</I>&gt;<i> (I'm ok to work on that review)
+</I>&gt;<i> may be that the Fedora policy can help us for that ?:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Python">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Python</A>
+</I>
+I would be in favor of treating python2 and python 3 as 2 differents languages.
+The rational is that :
+- we cannot garantee to have support for both
+- we will likely have some module who would be updated only on
+python 3 sooner or later
+- we will need to do upgrade of package at different time, since both python2 and python3 are
+released at different time.
+
+So rather than a complex scheme that will confuse packagers, just consider they
+are separate, and use the almost same policy ( with s/python/python3/ )
+
+Regarding a review of all package, that sound like daunting task :/
+--
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 01:23:32, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Name : unknown-horizons Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2011 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Wed Jul 13 01:19:29
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 82606743 License: GPLv2+ ; CC-BY-SA
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.0 ; OFL ; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.unknown-horizons.org">http://www.unknown-horizons.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : A popular economy and city building 2D RTS game
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Unknown Horizons is a 2D real-time strategy simulation with an emphasis
+</I>&gt;<i> on economy and city building. Expand your small settlement to a strong
+</I>&gt;<i> and wealthy colony, collect taxes and supply your inhabitants with
+</I>&gt;<i> valuable goods. Increase your power with a well balanced economy and
+</I>&gt;<i> with strategic trade and diplomacy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ---
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.unknown-horizons.org">http://www.unknown-horizons.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.unknown-horizons.org/media/screenshot-gallery">http://www.unknown-horizons.org/media/screenshot-gallery</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> anaselli &lt;anaselli&gt; 2011-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 123512
+</I>&gt;<i> - Updated to version 2011.2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + matteo &lt;matteo&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - unknown-horizons.spec: spec file polished
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + stblack &lt;stblack&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package unknown-horizons
+</I>
+The group Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time doesn't exist in Mageia :)
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 01:23:32, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Name : unknown-horizons Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2011 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Wed Jul 13 01:19:29
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 82606743 License: GPLv2+ ; CC-BY-SA
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.0 ; OFL ; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.unknown-horizons.org">http://www.unknown-horizons.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : A popular economy and city building 2D RTS game
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Unknown Horizons is a 2D real-time strategy simulation with an emphasis
+</I>&gt;<i> on economy and city building. Expand your small settlement to a strong
+</I>&gt;<i> and wealthy colony, collect taxes and supply your inhabitants with
+</I>&gt;<i> valuable goods. Increase your power with a well balanced economy and
+</I>&gt;<i> with strategic trade and diplomacy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ---
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.unknown-horizons.org">http://www.unknown-horizons.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.unknown-horizons.org/media/screenshot-gallery">http://www.unknown-horizons.org/media/screenshot-gallery</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> anaselli &lt;anaselli&gt; 2011-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 123512
+</I>&gt;<i> - Updated to version 2011.2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + matteo &lt;matteo&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - unknown-horizons.spec: spec file polished
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + stblack &lt;stblack&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package unknown-horizons
+</I>
+The group Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time doesn't exist in Mageia. 3
+different packagers haven't seen this ? :)
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+Samuel
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+ <B>philippe makowski</B>
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+<PRE>2011/7/13 Michael scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would be in favor of treating python2 and python 3 as 2 differents languages.
+</I>&gt;<i> The rational is that :
+</I>&gt;<i> - we cannot garantee to have support for both
+</I>&gt;<i> - &#160;we will likely have some module who would be updated only on
+</I>&gt;<i> python 3 sooner or later
+</I>&gt;<i> - we will need to do upgrade of package at different time, since both python2 and python3 are
+</I>&gt;<i> released at different time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So rather than a complex scheme that will confuse packagers, just consider they
+</I>&gt;<i> are separate, and use the almost same policy ( with s/python/python3/ )
+</I>And how do you manage package that support both P2 and P3 ?
+(same source)
+
+&gt;<i> Regarding a review of all package, that sound like daunting task :/
+</I>yes, but do you see another solution ?
+we can have a priority list
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+ <I>Wed Jul 13 09:51:54 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 09:47:57, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 01:23:32, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : unknown-horizons Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version : 2011 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Wed Jul 13
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 01:19:29 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ecosse Group : Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time Source RPM:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (none) Size : 82606743 License: GPLv2+ ;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; CC-BY-SA 3.0 ; OFL ; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; URL : <A HREF="http://www.unknown-horizons.org">http://www.unknown-horizons.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary : A popular economy and city building 2D RTS game
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Unknown Horizons is a 2D real-time strategy simulation with an emphasis
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on economy and city building. Expand your small settlement to a strong
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and wealthy colony, collect taxes and supply your inhabitants with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; valuable goods. Increase your power with a well balanced economy and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with strategic trade and diplomacy.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ---
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.unknown-horizons.org">http://www.unknown-horizons.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.unknown-horizons.org/media/screenshot-gallery">http://www.unknown-horizons.org/media/screenshot-gallery</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; anaselli &lt;anaselli&gt; 2011-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 123512
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Updated to version 2011.2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + matteo &lt;matteo&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - unknown-horizons.spec: spec file polished
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + stblack &lt;stblack&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - imported package unknown-horizons
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The group Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time doesn't exist in Mageia :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+Hmm, I should have received a &quot;you're being moderated&quot; message that would also
+have allowed me to cancel this message (sent from wrong address). Has
+something changed in MLs configuration ?
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>2011/7/13 JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:29:31 +0200, Jos&#233; Jorge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 12 juillet 2011 15:12:52, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Yet another burning subject that needs time to think about it and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; eventually migrate to.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2121">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2121</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Grub 2 is coming now regularly in proposals. What should &#160;we do about it :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - Stay with Grub 1 - pb ? maintainance ? restrictions ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - Switch to Grub 2 : smooth migration, tests, integration...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> SWITCH!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We can switch Cauldron now, to get massive tests, now that KDM knows it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I feel it is specially important that drakboot, gdm and kdm work nicely with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it (ie. no regression).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Test also multiboot with Ubuntu and Fedora (auto-detection)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And still keep GRUB1 till Mageia 3, to have a simple go back avalaible for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people who will have problems with GRUB2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What for ? Any day from now everybody will be using btrfs to boot and then
+</I>&gt;<i> GRUB 1 is useless...
+</I>
+How many percent of $ALL is your &quot;everybody&quot;? Most not-so-experienced
+users will not use btrfs until it is the standard filesystem in the
+installer. People who will not install Mageia2 but upgrade Mageia1
+will continue with their current filesystem. There are more reasons to
+keep Grub1 for a while as an option.
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+--
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 03:12:52PM +0200, Anne nicolas wrote:
+&gt;<i> Yet another burning subject that needs time to think about it and
+</I>&gt;<i> eventually migrate to.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2121">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2121</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Grub 2 is coming now regularly in proposals. What should we do about it :
+</I>&gt;<i> - Stay with Grub 1 - pb ? maintainance ? restrictions ?
+</I>&gt;<i> - Switch to Grub 2 : smooth migration, tests, integration...
+</I>&gt;<i> - another alternative ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As usual, comments, proposals...
+</I>
+I think we should offer support for it, ie package, patch the tools
+( given the fact that 5 people are ready to do the switch, I guess they are
+all eager to help on creating a proper package ).
+
+But not do a change in the default before Mageia 3. While Grub 2 is working
+fine ( I use it since 3 years ), there was people complaining about this on ubuntu ( because
+this changed their habits, because the documentation was sparse ) to warrant
+not rushing the change. We value quality, and so we can offer grub2 as a option,
+and make sure it got enough test, even by people on the stable release before deciding.
+
+IE, without any test, we should not change, so I would set a deadline to have grub2
+ready befre saying &quot;we switch&quot;.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+People that want grub 2 should be able to do it like those that use lilo.
+
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+<PRE>On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Michael scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 03:12:52PM +0200, Anne nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yet another burning subject that needs time to think about it and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> eventually migrate to.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2121">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2121</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Grub 2 is coming now regularly in proposals. What should &#160;we do about it :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Stay with Grub 1 - pb ? maintainance ? restrictions ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Switch to Grub 2 : smooth migration, tests, integration...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - another alternative ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As usual, comments, proposals...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we should offer support for it, ie package, patch the tools
+</I>&gt;<i> ( given the fact that 5 people are ready to do the switch, I guess they are
+</I>&gt;<i> all eager to help on creating a proper package ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But not do a change in the default before Mageia 3. While Grub 2 is working
+</I>&gt;<i> fine ( I use it since 3 years ), there was people complaining about this on ubuntu ( because
+</I>&gt;<i> this changed their habits, because the documentation was sparse ) to warrant
+</I>&gt;<i> not rushing the change. We value quality, and so we can offer grub2 as a option,
+</I>&gt;<i> and make sure it got enough test, even by people on the stable release before deciding.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IE, without any test, we should not change, so I would set a deadline to have grub2
+</I>&gt;<i> ready befre saying &quot;we switch&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i> People that want grub 2 should be able to do it like those that use lilo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i agree with this:
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+mageia 2 : Add support of grub2 in mageia 2
+mageia 3 : Enable it by default but still provide grub 14 support for
+people prefering it
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+Il 13/07/2011 09:49, Samuel Verschelde ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 01:23:32, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : unknown-horizons Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 2011 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Wed Jul 13 01:19:29
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group : Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 82606743 License: GPLv2+ ; CC-BY-SA
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3.0 ; OFL ; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.unknown-horizons.org">http://www.unknown-horizons.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : A popular economy and city building 2D RTS game
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unknown Horizons is a 2D real-time strategy simulation with an emphasis
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on economy and city building. Expand your small settlement to a strong
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and wealthy colony, collect taxes and supply your inhabitants with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> valuable goods. Increase your power with a well balanced economy and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with strategic trade and diplomacy.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ---
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.unknown-horizons.org">http://www.unknown-horizons.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.unknown-horizons.org/media/screenshot-gallery">http://www.unknown-horizons.org/media/screenshot-gallery</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anaselli &lt;anaselli&gt; 2011-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 123512
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Updated to version 2011.2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + matteo &lt;matteo&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - unknown-horizons.spec: spec file polished
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + stblack &lt;stblack&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - imported package unknown-horizons
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The group Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time doesn't exist in Mageia. 3
+</I>&gt;<i> different packagers haven't seen this ? :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>I'm sorry Samuel, next time I'll pay more attention.
+
+- --
+Matteo
+
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
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+<PRE>BTW,
+I noticed that in mandriva bs mdvsys has
+a bash_completion file. I imported it for myself
+and changed to work with mgarepo, if we don't have it -I
+haven't checked it- and someone wants to give it a try,
+check if there are mistakes, and check if we can release
+it for license reasons etc... I can provide it somewhere.
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+Angelo
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> &gt; Group : Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time Source RPM: (none)
+</I>
+&gt;<i> The group Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time doesn't exist in Mageia. 3
+</I>&gt;<i> different packagers haven't seen this ? :)
+</I>Eheheh, too tired to check all :) luckily is cauldron :D
+
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+ <B>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca
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+ <I>Wed Jul 13 10:43:43 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Sorry for polluting the whole list, but as I don't have a mentor...
+
+This is the first time I'm building 64-bit packages, and I'm running into the following issue.
+
+Requirements such as:
+
+BuildRequires:&#160;&#160;&#160; qt4-devel&#160;
+BuildRequires:&#160;&#160;&#160; python-devel
+
+expand very well (automatically) on 64-bit into:
+
+lib64qt4-devel
+
+lib64python-devel
+
+However, requirements such as:
+
+BuildRequires:&#160;&#160;&#160; magick-devel
+BuildRequires:&#160;&#160;&#160; chm-devel
+BuildRequires:&#160;&#160;&#160; wmf-devel
+
+do NOT expand into the existing:
+
+lib64magick-devel
+lib64chm-devel
+lib64wmf-devel
+
+therefore I have to use:
+
+
+BuildRequires:&#160;&#160;&#160; %{_lib}magick-devel
+BuildRequires:&#160;&#160;&#160; %{_lib}chm-devel
+BuildRequires:&#160;&#160;&#160; %{_lib}wmf-devel
+
+Of course(?), magick-devel%{?_isa} etc. does NOT help.
+
+Question 1: why some libraries name do expand on 64-bit, whereas others don't?
+
+Question 2: why some other libraries expand even when incorrect names are given?
+E.g.:
+BuildRequires:&#160;&#160;&#160; libpoppler-qt4-devel
+
+accepts the installed lib:
+
+lib64poppler-qt4-devel
+
+although the name is incorrect, it should be limited to 32-bit!
+
+Is the building system broken, am I stupid, or both?
+
+Thanks,
+
+R-C aka beranger
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+ <B>Sander Lepik</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question">sander.lepik at eesti.ee
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+<PRE>13.07.2011 11:43, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> do NOT expand into the existing:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64magick-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64chm-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64wmf-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Currently there is urpmq --provides for that.
+
+For example:
+$ urpmq --provides lib64magick-devel
+imagemagick-devel[== 6.6.6.10-5.mga1]
+ImageMagick-devel[== 6.6.6.10-5.mga1]
+libmagick-devel[== 6.6.6.10-5.mga1]
+libMagick-devel[== 6.6.6.10-5.mga1]
+libMagick5-devel[== 6.6.6.10-5.mga1]
+pkgconfig(ImageMagick)[== 6.6.6]
+pkgconfig(ImageMagick++)[== 6.6.6]
+pkgconfig(Magick++)[== 6.6.6]
+pkgconfig(MagickCore)[== 6.6.6]
+pkgconfig(MagickWand)[== 6.6.6]
+pkgconfig(Wand)[== 6.6.6]
+devel(libMagick++(64bit))
+devel(libMagickCore(64bit))
+devel(libMagickWand(64bit))
+lib64magick-devel[== 6.6.6.10-5.mga1]
+lib64magick-devel(x86-64)[== 6.6.6.10-5.mga1]
+
+You should use libmagick-devel
+
+--
+Sander
+
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 10:43:43, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Sorry for polluting the whole list, but as I don't have a mentor...
+</I>
+That's not pollution, that's an interesting question (for which I have no
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 00:30:41, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ mgarepo maintdb --help
+</I>&gt;<i> Usage:
+</I>&gt;<i> Take maintainership of one package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See who is maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb get
+</I>
+I used in in Mageia 1 using the package in updates_testing and it works well.
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Sorry for polluting the whole list, but as I don't have a mentor...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is the first time I'm building 64-bit packages, and I'm running into the following issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Requirements such as:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: qt4-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: python-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> expand very well (automatically) on 64-bit into:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64qt4-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64python-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, requirements such as:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: magick-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: chm-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: wmf-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> do NOT expand into the existing:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64magick-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64chm-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64wmf-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> therefore I have to use:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: %{_lib}magick-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: %{_lib}chm-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: %{_lib}wmf-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course(?), magick-devel%{?_isa} etc. does NOT help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Question 1: why some libraries name do expand on 64-bit, whereas others don't?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Question 2: why some other libraries expand even when incorrect names are given?
+</I>&gt;<i> E.g.:
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires: libpoppler-qt4-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> accepts the installed lib:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64poppler-qt4-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> although the name is incorrect, it should be limited to 32-bit!
+</I>
+Its' spec file must contain a virtual provides :
+Provides: libpoppler-qt4-devel
+
+A neat trick used sometimes to simplify requires.
+
+&gt;<i> Is the building system broken, am I stupid, or both?
+</I>
+You couldn't know if someone didn't tell you.
+I'll try to get you a mentor :)
+
+&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> R-C aka beranger
+</I>
+Regards :)
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+ <B>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU</B>
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+<PRE>Thanks. So I've got from 2 answers:
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+
+&gt;<i> You should use libmagick-devel
+</I>
+and:
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+&gt;<i> Its' spec file must contain a virtual provides :
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides:&#160; libpoppler-qt4-devel
+</I>
+Indeed, libmagick-devel, libwmf-devel, libchm-devel, libpoppler-qt4-devel, etc. do expand/match/find_provides correctly on 64-bit too!
+
+But then *why* some names have to be written as:
+qt4-devel and *not* libqt4-devel
+python-devel and *not* libpython-devel
+?
+Isn't this an inconsistency?
+
+Moreover, excuse me, but I find it stupid to have a 64-bit lib called `libksane-devel`.&#160;
+This is its full 64-bit name, *not* the name from BuildRequires!
+It's another inconsistency IMHO.
+
+Of course, there is urpmq --provides to find out what resolves to the needed devel library, but still...
+
+Thank you all!
+
+R-C aka beranger
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 11:17:31, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Thanks. So I've got from 2 answers:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You should use libmagick-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Its' spec file must contain a virtual provides :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Provides: libpoppler-qt4-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed, libmagick-devel, libwmf-devel, libchm-devel, libpoppler-qt4-devel,
+</I>&gt;<i> etc. do expand/match/find_provides correctly on 64-bit too!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But then *why* some names have to be written as:
+</I>&gt;<i> qt4-devel and *not* libqt4-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> python-devel and *not* libpython-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't this an inconsistency?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Moreover, excuse me, but I find it stupid to have a 64-bit lib called
+</I>&gt;<i> `libksane-devel`. This is its full 64-bit name, *not* the name from
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires!
+</I>&gt;<i> It's another inconsistency IMHO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, there is urpmq --provides to find out what resolves to the
+</I>&gt;<i> needed devel library, but still...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you all!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> R-C aka beranger
+</I>
+Have you seen the discussion entitled &quot;[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual
+Provides in -devel packages&quot; from 5 days ago ? If Ahmad proposes to
+standardize them that means that we already know about some inconsistencies
+and want to improve this.
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>13.07.2011 12:17, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU kirjutas:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed, libmagick-devel, libwmf-devel, libchm-devel, libpoppler-qt4-devel, etc. do expand/match/find_provides correctly on 64-bit too!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But then *why* some names have to be written as:
+</I>&gt;<i> qt4-devel and *not* libqt4-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> python-devel and *not* libpython-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't this an inconsistency?
+</I>That's why there was discussion started, some time ago, in this list, to
+create devel packages so that they will provide %{name}-devel and
+lib%{name}-deve.
+
+<A HREF="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/6365">http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/6365</A>
+&gt;<i> Moreover, excuse me, but I find it stupid to have a 64-bit lib called `libksane-devel`.
+</I>This is devel package, not library itself, so it's OK.
+
+--
+Sander
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+&gt;<i>Have you seen the discussion entitled &quot;[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual
+</I>&gt;<i>Provides in -devel packages&quot; from 5 days ago ? If Ahmad proposes to
+</I>&gt;<i>standardize them that means that we already know about some inconsistencies
+</I>&gt;<i>and want to improve this.
+</I>
+
+Yes, I've noticed it, but I'm afraid it wasn't quite clear what the outcome was.
+These ML discussions are always so long and confusing :-/
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+Thanks,
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+ <B>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU</B>
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+&gt;<i> That's why there was discussion started, some time ago, in this list, to
+</I>&gt;<i> create devel packages so that they will provide %{name}-devel and
+</I>&gt;<i> lib%{name}-deve.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/6365">http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/6365</A>
+</I>
+It isn't clear to me whether the situation to be fixed is Mageia-specific or the inconsistency shows up also in Fedora, openSUSE, etc.
+I thought it was about a small number of some peculiar libs, but it looks like it's a more generic issue.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Moreover, excuse me, but I find it stupid to have a 64-bit lib called
+</I>&gt;<i> `libksane-devel`.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is devel package, not library itself, so it's OK.
+</I>
+I must admit I failed to understand your statement.
+
+What's the difference between:
+`libksane-devel` &lt;&lt;-- correct 64-bit name
+and
+`lib64djvulibre-devel` &lt;&lt;-- correct 64-bit name
+?
+
+Why not `lib64ksane-devel` ?
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+&gt;&gt;<i> That's why there was discussion started, some time ago, in this list, to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> create devel packages so that they will provide %{name}-devel and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib%{name}-deve.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/6365">http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/6365</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It isn't clear to me whether the situation to be fixed is Mageia-specific or the inconsistency shows up also in Fedora, openSUSE, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> I thought it was about a small number of some peculiar libs, but it looks like it's a more generic issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Moreover, excuse me, but I find it stupid to have a 64-bit lib called
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> `libksane-devel`.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is devel package, not library itself, so it's OK.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> I must admit I failed to understand your statement.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What's the difference between:
+</I>&gt;<i> `libksane-devel` &lt;&lt;-- correct 64-bit name
+</I>&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;<i> `lib64djvulibre-devel` &lt;&lt;-- correct 64-bit name
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not `lib64ksane-devel` ?
+</I>
+You are right, the package name libksane-devel is incorrect. See
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=libraries">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=libraries</A>
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+<PRE>On 10 July 2011 10:03, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 8 July 2011 06:37, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've had a rather vague idea about standardising the virtual provides
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the distro, there should be:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> either both of them in _all_ packages, or one of them in _all_
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages, so that we don't have to check urpmq --provides all the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time. Personally, I am more inclined on having them both, so as not to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> break already working specs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For example:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ urpmq --provides lib64gudev1.0-devel-166-5.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libgudev-devel[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pkgconfig(gudev-1.0)[== 166]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> devel(libgudev-1.0(64bit))
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64gudev1.0-devel[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64gudev1.0-devel(x86-64)[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> only libgudev-devel, so if I put BR gudev-devel in a spec it won't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work, whereas I'd expect it to work since some other packages have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> such similar provides:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ urpmq --provides lib64dbus-1-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libdbus-1-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libdbus-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dbus-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (If we agree to go one way or the other, will just fix them gradually
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> over time).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Adding to the above, spturtle has suggested using pkgconfig()
+</I>&gt;<i> provides: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2065">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2065</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Using pkgconfig provides looks like an optimal option, we could start
+now, whenever we touch a spec we change to the pkgconfig provides, and
+gradually all the specs will be adapted.
+
+And for the packages that don't have .pc files we add:
+Provides: %{name}-devel = %{version}-release
+Provides: lib%{name}-devel = %{version}-release
+
+or we could add them to all packages whether they have .pc files or
+not, but still always use pkgconfig() provides as BR in our specs.
+
+WDYT?
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 00:30:41, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $ mgarepo maintdb --help
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Usage:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Take maintainership of one package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; See who is maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo maintdb get
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I used in in Mageia 1 using the package in updates_testing and it works well.
+</I>
+Ok, it's moved to updates now.
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+<PRE>philippe makowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/13 Michael scherer&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would be in favor of treating python2 and python 3 as 2 differents languages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The rational is that :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - we cannot garantee to have support for both
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - we will likely have some module who would be updated only on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> python 3 sooner or later
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - we will need to do upgrade of package at different time, since both python2 and python3 are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> released at different time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So rather than a complex scheme that will confuse packagers, just consider they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are separate, and use the almost same policy ( with s/python/python3/ )
+</I>&gt;<i> And how do you manage package that support both P2 and P3 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> (same source)
+</I>
+If we use misc's approach, we could minimize the urgency of the conversion.
+If upstream supports both, we could either add a virtual provides in P2 and P3
+for that (to be used only by such packages), or support just P3 (or maybe just P2).
+I don't know which is best, but I'd still like to help out.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Regarding a review of all package, that sound like daunting task :/
+</I>&gt;<i> yes, but do you see another solution ?
+</I>&gt;<i> we can have a priority list
+</I>
+--
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+<PRE>13.07.2011 13:02, Ahmad Samir kirjutas:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Using pkgconfig provides looks like an optimal option, we could start
+</I>&gt;<i> now, whenever we touch a spec we change to the pkgconfig provides, and
+</I>&gt;<i> gradually all the specs will be adapted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And for the packages that don't have .pc files we add:
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel = %{version}-release
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel = %{version}-release
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or we could add them to all packages whether they have .pc files or
+</I>&gt;<i> not, but still always use pkgconfig() provides as BR in our specs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>+1
+
+IMHO provides should be added anyway.
+
+Who's gonna update policy? :)
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+<PRE>On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2065">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2065</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Using pkgconfig provides looks like an optimal option, we could start
+</I>&gt;<i> now, whenever we touch a spec we change to the pkgconfig provides, and
+</I>&gt;<i> gradually all the specs will be adapted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And for the packages that don't have .pc files we add:
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel = %{version}-release
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel = %{version}-release
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or we could add them to all packages whether they have .pc files or
+</I>&gt;<i> not, but still always use pkgconfig() provides as BR in our specs.
+</I>
+Always adding the same provides regardless of what gets added
+automatically is probably better and easier. I'd like to modify or clarify
+your proposal a bit. When name starts with &quot;lib&quot;, use %{oname}-devel and
+lib%{oname}-devel as provides. oname must be defined in the specfile as
+the name without the lib prefix. That is usually already the case and this
+macro is used as argument for mklibname.
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+ Christiaan
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+ <B>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU</B>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Why not `lib64ksane-devel` ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>You are right, the package name libksane-devel is incorrect. See
+</I>&gt;<i><A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=libraries">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=libraries</A>
+</I>
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+Thanks for the pointer, Christiaan!
+
+OTOH, as a self-apprentice packager, I've collected a number of pages to help me with understanding the building issues, e.g. rpmlint -i warnings and errors,&#160; etc.
+
+From <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</A>
+=&gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rpm_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rpm_start</A>
+=&gt; <A HREF="http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/RPM_Guide/index.html">http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/RPM_Guide/index.html</A>
+
+Extras, bookmarked for consulting:
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Packaging/Problems">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Packaging/Problems</A> (!)
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/Library">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/Library</A>
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/RPM">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/RPM</A> (obsolete)
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/RpmSpecProposal">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/RpmSpecProposal</A>
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines</A>
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_Rpmlint_issues">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_Rpmlint_issues</A> (!)
+<A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Packaging_checks">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Packaging_checks</A> (!)
+<A HREF="http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/">http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/</A> (root)
+<A HREF="http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/p5208.html">http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/p5208.html</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/s1-rpm-inside-macros.html">http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/s1-rpm-inside-macros.html</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.rpm.org/wiki/PackagerDocs/ArchDependencies">http://www.rpm.org/wiki/PackagerDocs/ArchDependencies</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=libraries">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=libraries</A>
+
+Am I right to do this? Mageia's wiki pages are not clarifying enough.
+
+E.g.
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+-- it does not say about %{buildroot} vs. $RPM_BUILD_ROOT used consistently, ie, no mixing of %{buildroot} and $RPM_BUILD_ROOT, see <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Using_.25.7Bbuildroot.7D_and_.25.7Boptflags.7D_vs_.24RPM_BUILD_ROOT_and_.24RPM_OPT_FLAGS">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Using_.25.7Bbuildroot.7D_and_.25.7Boptflags.7D_vs_.24RPM_BUILD_ROOT_and_.24RPM_OPT_FLAGS</A>
+
+-- it does not say about desktop-file-install vs.desktop-file-validate see <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#desktop-file-install_usage">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#desktop-file-install_usage</A>
+
+
+-- it does not tell the apprentice packagers about what rpmlint errors or warnings should *never* be ignored (e.g. explicit-lib-dependency, binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath, no-cleaning-of-buildroot, no-buildroot-tag, hardcoded-library-path, etc.)
+
+Actually, it was `invalid-build-requires` that made me inspect the 64-bit library thing!
+
+
+-- it does not tell what rpmlint errors/warnings *should* usually be ignored, e.g.:
+1. non-standard-group when the Group is valid in Mageia, e.g.: Graphics, Video, ...
+2. no-documentation, no-manual-page-for-binary, manpage-not-compressed, incorrect-fsf-address, file-not-utf8, name-repeated-in-summary, etc.
+
+I'm still not sure about library-without-ldconfig-postin/library-without-ldconfig-postun, because as long as the SPRM was taken from MDV or F15... and as long as the installed package works...
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+Andr&#233;, what do you think?
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+R-C aka beranger
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2065">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2065</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Using pkgconfig provides looks like an optimal option, we could start
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> now, whenever we touch a spec we change to the pkgconfig provides, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gradually all the specs will be adapted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And for the packages that don't have .pc files we add:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel = %{version}-release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel = %{version}-release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or we could add them to all packages whether they have .pc files or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not, but still always use pkgconfig() provides as BR in our specs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Always adding the same provides regardless of what gets added automatically
+</I>&gt;<i> is probably better and easier. I'd like to modify or clarify your proposal a
+</I>&gt;<i> bit. When name starts with &quot;lib&quot;, use %{oname}-devel and lib%{oname}-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> as provides. oname must be defined in the specfile as the name without the
+</I>&gt;<i> lib prefix. That is usually already the case and this macro is used as
+</I>&gt;<i> argument for mklibname.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;Christiaan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Agreed, liblib* shouldn't exist.
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> On 10 July 2011 10:03, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 8 July 2011 06:37, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I've had a rather vague idea about standardising the virtual provides
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; in the distro, there should be:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Provides: %{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Provides: lib%{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; either both of them in _all_ packages, or one of them in _all_
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; packages, so that we don't have to check urpmq --provides all the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; time. Personally, I am more inclined on having them both, so as not to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; break already working specs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For example:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; $ urpmq --provides lib64gudev1.0-devel-166-5.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; libgudev-devel[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; pkgconfig(gudev-1.0)[== 166]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; devel(libgudev-1.0(64bit))
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; lib64gudev1.0-devel[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; lib64gudev1.0-devel(x86-64)[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; only libgudev-devel, so if I put BR gudev-devel in a spec it won't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; work, whereas I'd expect it to work since some other packages have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; such similar provides:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; $ urpmq --provides lib64dbus-1-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; libdbus-1-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; libdbus-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; dbus-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (If we agree to go one way or the other, will just fix them gradually
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; over time).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Adding to the above, spturtle has suggested using pkgconfig()
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; provides: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2065">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2065</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Using pkgconfig provides looks like an optimal option, we could start
+</I>&gt;<i> now, whenever we touch a spec we change to the pkgconfig provides, and
+</I>&gt;<i> gradually all the specs will be adapted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And for the packages that don't have .pc files we add:
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel = %{version}-release
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel = %{version}-release
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or we could add them to all packages whether they have .pc files or
+</I>&gt;<i> not, but still always use pkgconfig() provides as BR in our specs.
+</I>
+I think it's better to use %{name}-devel for packages which don't have
+pkgconfig files. And keep pkgconfig() provides for packages with .pc
+files.
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+<PRE>On 13 July 2011 12:34, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 10 July 2011 10:03, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On 8 July 2011 06:37, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I've had a rather vague idea about standardising the virtual provides
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; in the distro, there should be:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Provides: %{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Provides: lib%{name}-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; either both of them in _all_ packages, or one of them in _all_
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; packages, so that we don't have to check urpmq --provides all the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; time. Personally, I am more inclined on having them both, so as not to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; break already working specs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For example:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; $ urpmq --provides lib64gudev1.0-devel-166-5.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; libgudev-devel[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; pkgconfig(gudev-1.0)[== 166]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; devel(libgudev-1.0(64bit))
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; lib64gudev1.0-devel[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; lib64gudev1.0-devel(x86-64)[== 166-5.mga1]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; only libgudev-devel, so if I put BR gudev-devel in a spec it won't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; work, whereas I'd expect it to work since some other packages have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; such similar provides:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; $ urpmq --provides lib64dbus-1-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; libdbus-1-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; libdbus-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; dbus-devel[== 1.4.1-3.mga1]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (If we agree to go one way or the other, will just fix them gradually
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; over time).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Adding to the above, spturtle has suggested using pkgconfig()
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; provides: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2065">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2065</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Using pkgconfig provides looks like an optimal option, we could start
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> now, whenever we touch a spec we change to the pkgconfig provides, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gradually all the specs will be adapted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And for the packages that don't have .pc files we add:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel = %{version}-release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel = %{version}-release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or we could add them to all packages whether they have .pc files or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not, but still always use pkgconfig() provides as BR in our specs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it's better to use %{name}-devel for packages which don't have
+</I>&gt;<i> pkgconfig files. And keep pkgconfig() provides for packages with .pc
+</I>&gt;<i> files.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+As spturtle said, conformity/consistency is good, i.e. all our
+packages should have the same Provides, that's better in the long run,
+and less confusing for new (and old too) packagers.
+
+The cost of dropping lib%{name}-devel altogether is some specs may
+break, but that can be mitigated by adding the SRPMS repos manually (I
+didn't know those repos had hdlists, until tv pointed it out in
+another thread some time ago), and checking:
+urpmf --media Core-SRPMS --requires lib%{name}-devel
+
+and then fixing all the specs that has lib%{name}-devel (that may be a
+daunting task sometimes, though).
+
+The point is, we don't have to fix this tomorrow, we start now and
+with mga2/3 all the specs will have been cleaned up.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+</I>Nicolas are you interested in mgarepo bash_completion?
+I imported it from mdvsys...
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+<PRE>hi,
+
+On 11/07/13 00:30 +0200, nicolas vigier wrote:
+&gt;<i> mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ mgarepo maintdb --help
+</I>&gt;<i> Usage:
+</I>&gt;<i> Take maintainership of one package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See who is maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb get
+</I>
+great.
+
+will there be some automatic assignment, such as &quot;1st to upload a
+package gets ownership&quot;?
+
+will it supports multiple assignment, or teams?
+
+j&#233;r&#244;me
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+<PRE>On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Jerome Quelin wrote:
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+&gt;<i> hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 11/07/13 00:30 +0200, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $ mgarepo maintdb --help
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Usage:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Take maintainership of one package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; See who is maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo maintdb get
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> great.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> will there be some automatic assignment, such as &quot;1st to upload a
+</I>&gt;<i> package gets ownership&quot;?
+</I>
+Yes, that's what is done for new packages.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> will it supports multiple assignment, or teams?
+</I>
+It's not supported yet. But I think it could be added.
+
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+</I>&gt;<i> The group Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time doesn't exist in Mageia. 3
+</I>&gt;<i> different packagers haven't seen this ? :)
+</I>Maybe we should check it via rpmlint on package upload ?
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+--
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+<PRE>On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Angelo Naselli wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Ok, it's moved to updates now.
+</I>&gt;<i> Nicolas are you interested in mgarepo bash_completion?
+</I>&gt;<i> I imported it from mdvsys...
+</I>
+Yes, I think you can add it.
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+<PRE>On 13 July 2011 13:53, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Angelo Naselli wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Ok, it's moved to updates now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nicolas are you interested in mgarepo bash_completion?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I imported it from mdvsys...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I think you can add it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+FWIW, I've been using the attached bash-completion file for some
+months now, however since I am not a bash-completion guru I didn't
+want to plague anyone else with any things I've messed up with it.
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+@Angelo: Feel free to use anything from it, if any, to add to the file
+you have (note that I disabled the &quot;auto completion of package names
+in SVN&quot; since it's too slow for taste).
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+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Repository%20question%3A%20where%20do%20we%0A%09put%09non-free%2Btainted%20RPMs%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20110713122726.GN21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"
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+<PRE>On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:16:24 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; From: Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;CA+h4nj6KtYu8vUFcZ4mWUO08J5ZyxB5XnN2bsSLoqm8R7w6E=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">w at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011/7/12 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; 2011/7/9 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/7/8 James Kerr&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; This thread has strayed far from the original question, &gt; which
+</I>&gt;<i> could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; re-stated as:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; commingled
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; single tainted repository?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Besides, tainted is not only about patents, it's also about software
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; which is illegal in certain countries (like libdvdcss).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Ok, a relatively limited application.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So in all, maybe a handful of packages at most should be in tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So why do we have more than 150 ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sorry, but I do not understand your way of thinking. If a law exists
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it exists. It does not matter to a law whether it is likely to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; enforced. Period.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is not paranoia, it is a matter of mind set. If robbery would not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be prosecuted, would you go out and earn your doe by taking away
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; handbags from old ladies? You would not, because it is wrong. For
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; those who are living in countries where patents are valid and accepted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; by the law, using a patented software is wrong. So you must accept
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that there are people who would not do it. Telling them how they
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; should think about it is not ours. That's why we have the tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; repo.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wobo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I live in the USA, and while I do not personally support the concept of
+</I>&gt;<i> software pantents, I also do not want to violate them as long as they are
+</I>&gt;<i> leagally recognized where I live.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For me, this is not a matter of risk, but one of ethics, morality, and
+</I>&gt;<i> respect. IMHO, the fact that my Countries Society recognizes patents as being
+</I>&gt;<i> legally binding makes it my responsibility to honor them, so I want to know if
+</I>&gt;<i> a software package may be affected by one or more patent(s) before I install it
+</I>&gt;<i> on my computer. If I know that (for example) package foo is affected by a
+</I>&gt;<i> patent, I can search for the patent holder, and make contact to request
+</I>&gt;<i> permission to ust the software, then abide with their response. This way, I
+</I>&gt;<i> fulfill my obligation to ask permission before using software that is (or may
+</I>&gt;<i> be) affected by some one elses property. I would no more use patented software
+</I>&gt;<i> without permission here in the USA than I would take my neighbor's lawnmower
+</I>&gt;<i> to cut my grass without his permission.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand that the following may not be practicable, but I would like all
+</I>&gt;<i> software that is affected by a patent (and perhaps other licensing or copyright
+</I>&gt;<i> restrictions) to be placed in a &quot;restricted&quot; (tainted) repository. Also I
+</I>&gt;<i> would like to see patent (or contact) information in the software package's
+</I>&gt;<i> description to help facilitate my ability to ask permission to use the
+</I>&gt;<i> software. By doing these things, Mageia is doing more to support my ability to
+</I>&gt;<i> live by my personal convictions than to support patent law.
+</I>
+I think we should not do that. Because we probably have more useful
+things to do than documenting patents and helping patent holders. And
+because it doesn't help users, on the contrary, it makes it more
+dangerous for them to use the software, because they cannot say they
+didn't know about the patent.
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Repository%20question%3A%20where%20do%20we%20put%0A%20non-free%2Btainted%20RPMs%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJmd%2Bxq_JKDu7r9r7G1PEQgAdCPjXZOKTxiwT-Bfa_QWW30OhQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>On 13 July 2011 14:27, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:16:24 +0200
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; From: Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &lt;CA+h4nj6KtYu8vUFcZ4mWUO08J5ZyxB5XnN2bsSLoqm8R7w6E=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">w at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 2011/7/12 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; 2011/7/9 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/7/8 James Kerr&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; This thread has strayed far from the original question, &gt; which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; re-stated as:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; commingled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; single tainted repository?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Besides, tainted is not only about patents, it's also about software
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; which is illegal in certain countries (like libdvdcss).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Ok, a relatively limited application.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So in all, maybe a handful of packages at most should be in tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So why do we have more than 150 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Sorry, but I do not understand your way of thinking. If a law exists
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; it exists. It does not matter to a law whether it is likely to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; enforced. Period.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; This is not paranoia, it is a matter of mind set. If robbery would not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; be prosecuted, would you go out and earn your doe by taking away
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; handbags from old ladies? You would not, because it is wrong. For
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; those who are living in countries where patents are valid and accepted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; by the law, using a patented software is wrong. So you must accept
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; that there are people who would not do it. Telling them how they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; should think about it is not ours. That's why we have the tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; repo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I live in the USA, and while I do not personally support the concept of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software pantents, I also do not want to violate them as long as they are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> leagally recognized where I live.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For me, this is not a matter of risk, but one of ethics, morality, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> respect. IMHO, the fact that my Countries Society recognizes patents as being
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> legally binding makes it my responsibility to honor them, so I want to know if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a software package may be affected by one or more patent(s) before I install it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on my computer. If &#160;I know that (for example) package foo is affected by a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patent, I can search for the patent holder, and make contact to request
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> permission to ust the software, then abide with their response. This way, I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fulfill my obligation to ask permission before using software that is (or may
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be) affected by some one elses property. I would no more use patented software
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> without permission here in the USA than I would take my neighbor's lawnmower
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to cut my grass without his permission.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I understand that the following may not be practicable, but I would like all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software that is affected by a patent (and perhaps other licensing or copyright
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> restrictions) to be placed in a &quot;restricted&quot; (tainted) repository. Also I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would like to see patent (or contact) information in the software package's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> description to help facilitate my ability to ask permission to use the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software. By doing these things, Mageia is doing more to support my ability to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> live by my personal convictions than to support patent law.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we should not do that. Because we probably have more useful
+</I>&gt;<i> things to do than documenting patents and helping patent holders. And
+</I>&gt;<i> because it doesn't help users, on the contrary, it makes it more
+</I>&gt;<i> dangerous for them to use the software, because they cannot say they
+</I>&gt;<i> didn't know about the patent.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+(However, each package has a URL field, with a link to the upstream
+web site, that could be a good starting point for a search for those
+who wanna do it).
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+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> FWIW, I've been using the attached bash-completion file for some
+</I>&gt;<i> months now, however since I am not a bash-completion guru I didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> want to plague anyone else with any things I've messed up with it.
+</I>Great that means it works :)
+I'm not a bash-completion guru as well, but i thought it was useful
+for someone else, since we're two... that means we could be more :)
+
+&gt;<i> @Angelo: Feel free to use anything from it, if any, to add to the file
+</I>&gt;<i> you have (note that I disabled the &quot;auto completion of package names
+</I>&gt;<i> in SVN&quot; since it's too slow for taste).
+</I>The attached one has it activated, i believe it is the same as yours but
+for that change.
+FWIW i find slower urpmi bash_complention, expecially if i want to
+install a local package - i always forget ./XXX- you can figure out :)
+
+HTH,
+ Angelo
+
+-------------- next part --------------
+# mgarepo(1) completion
+#
+_cauldron_packages()
+{
+ COMPREPLY=( $( compgen -W '$(svn ls \
+ svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron</A> \
+ | sed -e &quot;s|/$||&quot; )' -- $cur ) )
+}
+
+_mgarepo_actions()
+{
+ COMPREPLY=( $( compgen -W 'import create checkout co update info log \
+ tag submit extract sync commit ci build strip mass-update \
+ help' -- $cur ) )
+}
+
+_mgarepo()
+{
+ local cur prev command options i
+
+ COMPREPLY=()
+ cur=${COMP_WORDS[COMP_CWORD]}
+
+ if [[ $COMP_CWORD -eq 1 ]] ; then
+ _mgarepo_actions
+ else
+ prev=${COMP_WORDS[COMP_CWORD-1]}
+
+ case &quot;$prev&quot; in
+ -@(c|-config))
+ _filedir
+ return 0
+ ;;
+ esac
+
+ command=${COMP_WORDS[1]}
+
+ if [[ &quot;$cur&quot; == -* ]]; then
+ # possible options for the command
+ case $command in
+ @(import|create))
+ options=&quot;--revision --distribution \
+ --branch --message --nocommit&quot;
+ ;;
+ @(checkout|co|info|log))
+ options=&quot;--revision --distribution \
+ --branch&quot;
+ ;;
+ update)
+ options=&quot;--revision --distribution \
+ --branch --release \
+ --spec-line-expression \
+ --keep-on-failure --message \
+ --target --nocommit --nosubmit&quot;
+ ;;
+ mass-update)
+ options=&quot;--include --exclude \
+ --keep-on-failure --nocommit \
+ --nosubmit&quot;
+ ;;
+ tag)
+ options=&quot;--revision&quot;
+ ;;
+ submit)
+ options=&quot;--revision --distribution \
+ --branch --target&quot;
+ ;;
+ extract)
+ options=&quot;--revision --distribution \
+ --branch --destdir --noprefix&quot;
+ ;;
+ @(commit|ci))
+ options=&quot;--sync --message&quot;
+ ;;
+ esac
+ options=&quot;$options --verbose -v --config -c --help&quot;
+ COMPREPLY=( $( compgen -W &quot;$options&quot; -- $cur ) )
+ else
+ case $command in
+ help)
+ _mgarepo_actions
+ return 0
+ ;;
+ import)
+ _filedir 'src.rpm'
+ return 0
+ ;;
+ @(create|checkout|co|update|info|log|tag|submit|extract))
+ _cauldron_packages
+ return 0
+ ;;
+ @(sync|commit|ci))
+ _filedir -d
+ return 0
+ ;;
+ @(build|strip))
+ _filedir 'spec'
+ return 0
+ ;;
+ esac
+ fi
+ fi
+
+}
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+<PRE>mercoled&#236; 13 luglio 2011 alle 13:53, Balcaen John ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 13 July 2011 09:49:01 Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The group Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time doesn't exist in Mageia. 3
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; different packagers haven't seen this ? :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we should check it via rpmlint on package upload ?
+</I>Good point
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+ <B>Marianne Lombard</B>
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+<PRE>Le 13/07/2011 00:30, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ mgarepo maintdb --help
+</I>&gt;<i> Usage:
+</I>&gt;<i> Take maintainership of one package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See who is maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb get
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi,
+
+I'm trying to do a anonymous checkout with mgarepo and ... it doesn't
+work (anonymous co because I don't have a packager account)
+
+What is the right configuration I need to put in my /etc/mgarepo.conf
+
+
+Regards
+
+--
+Marianne Lombard (Jehane)
+Mageia User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
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+<PRE>On 13 July 2011 13:53, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 13 July 2011 09:49:01 Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The group Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time doesn't exist in Mageia. 3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> different packagers haven't seen this ? :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we should check it via rpmlint on package upload ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+s/upload/submit/.
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 13 July 2011 15:27, Marianne Lombard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marianne at tuxette.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 13/07/2011 00:30, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ mgarepo maintdb --help
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Usage:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; Take maintainership of one package :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; See who is maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;mgarepo maintdb get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm trying to do a anonymous checkout with mgarepo and ... it doesn't work
+</I>&gt;<i> (anonymous co because I don't have a packager account)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the right configuration I need to put in my /etc/mgarepo.conf
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+(Reposting what I posted on IRC):
+$ mkdir -p ~/.mgarepo; cp /etc/mgarepo.conf ~/.mgarepo/config
+
+Then edit ~/.mgarepo/config and change:
+repository = svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/</A>
+binaries-repository = svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos</A>
+
+to
+repository = <A HREF="svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/">svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/</A>
+binaries-repository = <A HREF="svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos">svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos</A>
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Marianne Lombard (Jehane)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia User - Mageia french translation team
+</I>&gt;<i> Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+&gt;<i> On 13 July 2011 13:53, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wednesday 13 July 2011 09:49:01 Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The group Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time doesn't exist in Mageia. 3
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> different packagers haven't seen this ? :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we should check it via rpmlint on package upload ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> s/upload/submit/.
+</I>
+yes this would prevent to build for &quot;nothing&quot;
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 13 July 2011 16:32:52 Ahmad Samir wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 13 July 2011 13:53, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wednesday 13 July 2011 09:49:01 Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The group Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time doesn't exist in Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 3
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; different packagers haven't seen this ? :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe we should check it via rpmlint on package upload ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> s/upload/submit/.
+</I>Indeed, i thought about that but wrote upload.
+
+
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+ <B>Marianne Lombard</B>
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+<PRE>Le 13/07/2011 15:34, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Reposting what I posted on IRC):
+</I>&gt;<i> $ mkdir -p ~/.mgarepo; cp /etc/mgarepo.conf ~/.mgarepo/config
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then edit ~/.mgarepo/config and change:
+</I>&gt;<i> repository = svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> binaries-repository = svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> to
+</I>&gt;<i> repository = <A HREF="svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/">svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> binaries-repository = <A HREF="svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos">svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>It works
+
+but the comment in the config file is ... what you MUST not do ....
+&gt;<i> ## uncomment it in case you don't have a account in the Mageia build
+</I>&gt;<i> system:
+</I>&gt;<i> #mirror = <A HREF="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/">http://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/</A>
+</I>
+I will open the bugreport
+
+Marianne
+
+--
+Marianne Lombard (Jehane)
+Mageia User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 13 July 2011 16:16, Marianne Lombard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marianne at tuxette.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 13/07/2011 15:34, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Reposting what I posted on IRC):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ mkdir -p ~/.mgarepo; cp /etc/mgarepo.conf ~/.mgarepo/config
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then edit ~/.mgarepo/config and change:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repository = svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> binaries-repository = svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repository = <A HREF="svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/">svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> binaries-repository = <A HREF="svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos">svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It works
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but the comment in the config file is ... what you MUST not do ....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ## uncomment it in case you don't have a account in the Mageia build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> system:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #mirror = <A HREF="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/">http://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will open the bugreport
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marianne
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yeah, that's a remnant of repsys, which wouldn't work with our split
+binrepos, IINM.
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Marianne Lombard (Jehane)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia User - Mageia french translation team
+</I>&gt;<i> Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
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+<PRE>hmm command update is wrong, mgarepo update fails
+
+mgarepo update
+error: invalid command 'update'
+
+Sorry
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 13 juli 2011 00:30:41 schreef nicolas vigier:
+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ mgarepo maintdb --help
+</I>&gt;<i> Usage:
+</I>&gt;<i> Take maintainership of one package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See who is maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb get
+</I>
+
+Nice!
+
+Can we also have a
+ See all your packages (or packages from other user login):
+ mgarepo maintdb show [login]
+
+Is this process also available for novice packagers?
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can we also have a
+</I>&gt;<i> See all your packages (or packages from other user login):
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb show [login]
+</I>
+It's already possible with :
+ mgarepo maintdb get | grep :login
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this process also available for novice packagers?
+</I>
+Novice packagers cannot be maintainer. But content of maintdb is
+also available at this url :
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt</A>
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+I will not at the mageia packagers meeting, and I'm sorry.
+I will at the next.
+
+Have a good meeting! (I'll read logs)
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Can we also have a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; See all your packages (or packages from other user login):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo maintdb show [login]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's already possible with :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb get | grep :login
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is this process also available for novice packagers?
+</I>
+yes, good enough,
+
+&gt;<i> Novice packagers cannot be maintainer. But content of maintdb is
+</I>&gt;<i> also available at this url :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt</A>
+</I>
+huh, novice packagers cannot be maintainer?
+
+I've been maintainer in mandriva before for my packages, even though i was
+novice?
+
+after all, i can't exactly be a burden to my mentor for all those things?
+
+Please allow me to be maintainer of those few packages that i have.
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; Is this process also available for novice packagers?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Novice packagers cannot be maintainer. But content of maintdb is
+</I>&gt;<i> also available at this url :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt</A>
+</I>
+I would like novices to be allowed to grab maintainership as well for the
+following 3 reasons:
+ - easier as a padawan to check your packages and followup to see which have
+to be updated/backported
+ - the day a padawan gets full packager, he would have to set all the
+packages, and it might not be easy to find them, or even alot of work, if the
+mentor has alot of them
+ - bug reports would then be assigned to the mentor instead of the novice,
+which would perhaps give a bit more work towards mentor to notify his novice
+about it.
+
+WDYT?
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+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ mgarepo maintdb --help
+</I>&gt;<i> Usage:
+</I>&gt;<i> Take maintainership of one package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See who is maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb get
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>A bit hijacking the thread, but I have a quick question - would it be
+possible to have repsys on mageia?
+
+There is mgarepo on Mandriva for the ones willing to work with Mageia
+repositories from Mandriva; is it too much to ask for the opposite? (E.g.,
+for the ones willing to work on Mandriva repos from Mageia)?
+
+--
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:48, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 12/07/11 13:15 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; large experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; killing traditional sysvinit alternative.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It would also be extremely interested to have native systemd services
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which use most of systemd features (like sound and alsa scripts, which
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we discussed with Colin and Andrey Borzenkov some months ago but never
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; got to implement properly).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Massive +1 for systemd and massive +1 Eugeni wanting to help out! \o/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll try and help out in bits and bobs too, tho' time is always a problem!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+Ok, some n00b questions arise from my part, sorry if they seem too basic - I
+am only catching up with mga style of development :).
+
+Systemd 30 is out, with lots of nice changes, so I think we should use it
+now as we are quite early in the release cycle. It is working on my machine,
+but before doing something about it, I prefer to hear opinions :).
+
+Firstly, systemdrequires udev &gt;= 172, what is the policy to update it?
+According to 'mgarepo maintdb get udev', it has no maintainers, does anyone
+objects if I grab/update it as well?
+
+Secondly, what should be the correct way of supporting systemd in a package?
+In Mandriva, I thought on adding a --with flag to enable/disable systemd,
+but in most cases it does (almost) nothing. All services which want to
+support systemd only need to place their files into /lib/systemd - and
+that's it. Should we support opting-out of systemd in specs? I believe
+fcrozat is having the same dilemma in SuSE now as well, and he settled on
+some common packaging macros.
+
+Almost finally, should the systemd files belong to the main package, the
+same way as they do with initscripts-based one (e.g., the package would
+provide /lib/systemd/system/%{name}.service together with
+%_sysconfig/rc.d/init.d/%{name} for example), with no extra subpackages or
+flags - or should all systemd-specific files go into %{name}-systemd package
+for example? What do you think?
+
+And finally, what does seems to be the best way of starting to use systemd
+in cauldron? I have thought on 3 alternatives:
+ - easy way, only having it packaged, but not
+providing/obsoleting/conflicting with sysvinit. This way, it will work when
+kernel is booted with init=/bin/systemd (the least invasive way)
+ - compatible way (like in Mandriva) - it is available, systemd-sysvinit
+conflicts with sysvinit, so if someone installs systemd-sysvinit, sysvinit
+goes away and systemd is run by default. This seems to be the most sane way
+to me (but I could be biased), and it is easiest one for testing
+ - ultimate way - systemd provides and obsoletes sysvinit and its goodies.
+This way, systemd will be the only one (e.g., highlander style). This is how
+fedora did it if I am not mistaken, but I am not sure if it the best way.
+
+So, that's it for now from my part..
+
+Opinions?
+
+--
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+<PRE>On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 22:47, Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eugeni at dodonov.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Firstly, systemdrequires udev &gt;= 172, what is the policy to update it?
+</I>&gt;<i> According to 'mgarepo maintdb get udev', it has no maintainers, does anyone
+</I>&gt;<i> objects if I grab/update it as well?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+(I forgot to mention that it is already up and running fine on my machine).
+
+--
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> A bit hijacking the thread, but I have a quick question - would it be
+</I>&gt;<i> possible to have repsys on mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is mgarepo on Mandriva for the ones willing to work with Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> repositories from Mandriva; is it too much to ask for the opposite? (E.g.,
+</I>&gt;<i> for the ones willing to work on Mandriva repos from Mageia)?
+</I>
+IMO there's nothing that should block that, but packaging or license... ;)
+As a mandriva contributor -well something more indeed :)-, you could ask
+to get part of pacakgers, if you wish to :)
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+In any case i cannot test it at the moment, but if you rebuilt on
+mageia and tested it, i could offer myself to submit it, just send me the srpms
+link :)
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+&gt;<i> Firstly, systemdrequires udev &gt;= 172, what is the policy to update it?
+</I>&gt;<i> According to 'mgarepo maintdb get udev', it has no maintainers, does anyone
+</I>&gt;<i> objects if I grab/update it as well?
+</I>
+Since you volunteered, could you take a look at:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1454">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1454</A>
+Hotplug works, coldplug doesn't, so I guess something goes wrong with
+udev. Updating packages to newer versions needs to be done and help with
+that is welcome, but we also need to fix reported problems.
+
+Unrelated: AFAIK you are registered as maintainer of both
+system-config-printer and hplip in mandriva linux, maybe you want to apply
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/hplip/current/SPECS/hplip.spec?r1=106333&amp;r2=106663">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/hplip/current/SPECS/hplip.spec?r1=106333&amp;r2=106663</A>
+there to fix an old bug which mageia inherited.
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+&gt;<i> We have a different perception of
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+Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. wrote:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:16:24 +0200
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> From: Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev-
+</I><A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">odJJhXpcy38dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org</A>&gt;
+&gt;&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;CA+h4nj6KtYu8vUFcZ4mWUO08J5ZyxB5XnN2bsSLoqm8R7w6E=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">w at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/12 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011/7/9 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/7/8 James Kerr&lt;jim-
+</I>t9WuiTNHXmZ/<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pmDbDnXM4b3SaDeIAXZp0Fzj8UutsXo at public.gmane.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; This thread has strayed far from the original question, &gt; which
+</I>&gt;<i> could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; re-stated as:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; commingled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; single tainted repository?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Besides, tainted is not only about patents, it's also about software
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; which is illegal in certain countries (like libdvdcss).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Ok, a relatively limited application.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; So in all, maybe a handful of packages at most should be in tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; So why do we have more than 150 ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, but I do not understand your way of thinking. If a law exists
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it exists. It does not matter to a law whether it is likely to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> enforced. Period.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is not paranoia, it is a matter of mind set. If robbery would not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be prosecuted, would you go out and earn your doe by taking away
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> handbags from old ladies? You would not, because it is wrong. For
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> those who are living in countries where patents are valid and accepted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by the law, using a patented software is wrong. So you must accept
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that there are people who would not do it. Telling them how they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should think about it is not ours. That's why we have the tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I live in the USA, and while I do not personally support the concept of
+</I>&gt;<i> software pantents, I also do not want to violate them as long as they are
+</I>&gt;<i> leagally recognized where I live.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For me, this is not a matter of risk, but one of ethics, morality, and
+</I>&gt;<i> respect. IMHO, the fact that my Countries Society recognizes patents as being
+</I>&gt;<i> legally binding makes it my responsibility to honor them, so I want to know if
+</I>&gt;<i> a software package may be affected by one or more patent(s) before I install it
+</I>&gt;<i> on my computer. If I know that (for example) package foo is affected by a
+</I>&gt;<i> patent, I can search for the patent holder, and make contact to request
+</I>&gt;<i> permission to ust the software, then abide with their response. This way, I
+</I>&gt;<i> fulfill my obligation to ask permission before using software that is (or may
+</I>&gt;<i> be) affected by some one elses property. I would no more use patented software
+</I>&gt;<i> without permission here in the USA than I would take my neighbor's lawnmower
+</I>&gt;<i> to cut my grass without his permission.
+</I>
+Does that lawnmower have wheels on it? The wheel has been patented.
+&lt;www.ipmenu.com/archive/AUI_2001100012.pdf&gt;
+
+I do not live in the USA. I am not a lawyer.
+
+If you are interested, I can give you some background about why I
+laugh at some patents.
+
+&gt;<i> I understand that the following may not be practicable, but I would like all
+</I>&gt;<i> software that is affected by a patent (and perhaps other licensing or copyright
+</I>&gt;<i> restrictions) to be placed in a &quot;restricted&quot; (tainted) repository. Also I
+</I>&gt;<i> would like to see patent (or contact) information in the software package's
+</I>&gt;<i> description to help facilitate my ability to ask permission to use the
+</I>&gt;<i> software. By doing these things, Mageia is doing more to support my ability to
+</I>&gt;<i> live by my personal convictions than to support patent law.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+</I>&gt;<i> Registered Linux User 247790
+</I>
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 14 July 2011 11:13, Angelo Naselli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> A bit hijacking the thread, but I have a quick question - would it be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> possible to have repsys on mageia?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is mgarepo on Mandriva for the ones willing to work with Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repositories from Mandriva; is it too much to ask for the opposite? (E.g.,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for the ones willing to work on Mandriva repos from Mageia)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMO there's nothing that should block that, but packaging or license... ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> As a mandriva contributor -well something more indeed :)-, you could ask
+</I>&gt;<i> to get part of pacakgers, if you wish to :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In any case i cannot test it at the moment, but if you rebuilt on
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia and tested it, i could offer myself to submit it, just send me the srpms
+</I>&gt;<i> link :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Angelo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Like Angelo, I don't think there're any restrictions on importing
+repsys, so I've imported it, should be on the mirrors soon.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2011/7/14 blind Pete &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">0123peter at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> on Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:04
+</I>&gt;<i> in the Usenet newsgroup gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+</I>&gt;<i> Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:16:24 +0200
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> From: Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev-
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">odJJhXpcy38dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &lt;CA+h4nj6KtYu8vUFcZ4mWUO08J5ZyxB5XnN2bsSLoqm8R7w6E=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">w at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/12 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011/7/9 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/7/8 James Kerr&lt;jim-
+</I>&gt;<i> t9WuiTNHXmZ/<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pmDbDnXM4b3SaDeIAXZp0Fzj8UutsXo at public.gmane.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; This thread has strayed far from the original question, &gt; which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; re-stated as:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; commingled
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; single tainted repository?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Besides, tainted is not only about patents, it's also about software
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; which is illegal in certain countries (like libdvdcss).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Ok, a relatively limited application.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; So in all, maybe a handful of packages at most should be in tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; So why do we have more than 150 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, but I do not understand your way of thinking. If a law exists
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it exists. It does not matter to a law whether it is likely to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> enforced. Period.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is not paranoia, it is a matter of mind set. If robbery would not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be prosecuted, would you go out and earn your doe by taking away
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> handbags from old ladies? You would not, because it is wrong. For
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> those who are living in countries where patents are valid and accepted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> by the law, using a patented software is wrong. So you must accept
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that there are people who would not do it. Telling them how they
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should think about it is not ours. That's why we have the tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> repo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I live in the USA, and while I do not personally support the concept of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software pantents, I also do not want to violate them as long as they are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> leagally recognized where I live.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For me, this is not a matter of risk, but one of ethics, morality, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> respect. IMHO, the fact that my Countries Society recognizes patents as being
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> legally binding makes it my responsibility to honor them, so I want to know if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a software package may be affected by one or more patent(s) before I install it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on my computer. If &#160;I know that (for example) package foo is affected by a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patent, I can search for the patent holder, and make contact to request
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> permission to ust the software, then abide with their response. This way, I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fulfill my obligation to ask permission before using software that is (or may
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be) affected by some one elses property. I would no more use patented software
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> without permission here in the USA than I would take my neighbor's lawnmower
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to cut my grass without his permission.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does that lawnmower have wheels on it? &#160;The wheel has been patented.
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;www.ipmenu.com/archive/AUI_2001100012.pdf&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not live in the USA. &#160;I am not a lawyer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are interested, I can give you some background about why I
+</I>&gt;<i> laugh at some patents.
+</I>
+Everybody here laughs at software patents (more or less). That's not the issue.
+
+--
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
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+<PRE>gioved&#236; 14 luglio 2011 alle 12:18, Ahmad Samir ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Like Angelo, I don't think there're any restrictions on importing
+</I>&gt;<i> repsys, so I've imported it, should be on the mirrors soon.
+</I>There's who talks... and who does :)
+
+Thanks Ahmad.
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 14 July 2011 12:46, Angelo Naselli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> gioved&#236; 14 luglio 2011 alle 12:18, Ahmad Samir ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Like Angelo, I don't think there're any restrictions on importing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repsys, so I've imported it, should be on the mirrors soon.
+</I>&gt;<i> There's who talks... and who does :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+(Sorry, didn't mean to step on your toes).
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+&gt;<i> Thanks Ahmad.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Angelo
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Eugeni Dodonov</B>
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+<PRE>On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 06:25, Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Eugeni Dodonov wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Firstly, systemdrequires udev &gt;= 172, what is the policy to update it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> According to 'mgarepo maintdb get udev', it has no maintainers, does
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anyone
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> objects if I grab/update it as well?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since you volunteered, could you take a look at:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_**bug.cgi?id=1454&lt;https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1454">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_**bug.cgi?id=1454&lt;https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1454</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Hotplug works, coldplug doesn't, so I guess something goes wrong with udev.
+</I>&gt;<i> Updating packages to newer versions needs to be done and help with that is
+</I>&gt;<i> welcome, but we also need to fix reported problems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think that updating udev could fix it as well, there were many different
+changes all around..
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unrelated: AFAIK you are registered as maintainer of both
+</I>&gt;<i> system-config-printer and hplip in mandriva linux, maybe you want to apply
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/**packages/cauldron/hplip/**">http://svnweb.mageia.org/**packages/cauldron/hplip/**</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> current/SPECS/hplip.spec?r1=**106333&amp;r2=106663&lt;<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/hplip/current/SPECS/hplip.spec?r1=106333&amp;r2=106663">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/hplip/current/SPECS/hplip.spec?r1=106333&amp;r2=106663</A>&gt;there to fix an old bug which mageia inherited.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nope, I am not cups nor hplip maintainer, I had to give up on them because I
+don't have any printers around to do any testing at all :(.
+
+--
+Eugeni Dodonov
+<A HREF="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</A>
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+</I>Neither did i. I only wanted to thanks you -as usual-
+because you're always ready to help.
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+on August, 20th and 21st the FrOSCon ( Free and Open Source Software
+Conference <A HREF="http://www.froscon.org/">http://www.froscon.org/</A> ) will take place at the campus of
+the University of Applied Sciences Bonn-Rhein-Sieg.
+Mageia will share a booth there with mandrivauser.de community.
+We will have a project room of our own in which at least four
+conferences will take place. Also it is possible to stay over night in
+the project room (provided you bring a sleeping bag).
+We welcome any visitors from opur neighbour countries (after all, Bonn
+isn't all that far from the French, Dutch and Belgish border).
+
+An information page about the planing status (in German) can be found
+here: <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/doku/doku.php?id=veranstaltungen">http://www.mandrivauser.de/doku/doku.php?id=veranstaltungen</A>
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+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110211/002535.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110211/002535.html</A>
+but related to
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging_hints">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging_hints</A>
+which says
+&quot;filetriggers: mageia has filetriggers, don't put needless stuff in %post.&quot;
+
+can the experinced Mageia packagers confirm me that:
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+-- desktop-file-install / desktop-file-validate is *not* needed in Mageia? (I can validate with rpmlint)
+-- gtk-update-icon-cache is *not* needed in Mageia?
+-- scrollkeeper is *not* needed in Mageia?
+-- BuildRequires:&#160;&#160;&#160; desktop-file-utils&#160;&#160;&#160; is therefore *not* needed in Mageia?
+-- BuildRequires:&#160;&#160;&#160; scrollkeeper&#160;&#160;&#160; is therefore *not* needed in Mageia?
+
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+Thank you very much,
+R-C aka beranger
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 14/07/11 02:47 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:48, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 12/07/11 13:15 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; large experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; killing traditional sysvinit alternative.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It would also be extremely interested to have native systemd services
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which use most of systemd features (like sound and alsa scripts, which
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we discussed with Colin and Andrey Borzenkov some months ago but never
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; got to implement properly).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Massive +1 for systemd and massive +1 Eugeni wanting to help out! \o/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll try and help out in bits and bobs too, tho' time is always a
+</I>&gt;<i> problem!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, some n00b questions arise from my part, sorry if they seem too basic
+</I>&gt;<i> - I am only catching up with mga style of development :).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Systemd 30 is out, with lots of nice changes, so I think we should use
+</I>&gt;<i> it now as we are quite early in the release cycle. It is working on my
+</I>&gt;<i> machine, but before doing something about it, I prefer to hear opinions :).
+</I>
+Well, IMO (for what it matters) I'm massive for using it ASAP!
+
+&gt;<i> Firstly, systemdrequires udev &gt;= 172, what is the policy to update it?
+</I>&gt;<i> According to 'mgarepo maintdb get udev', it has no maintainers, does
+</I>&gt;<i> anyone objects if I grab/update it as well?
+</I>
+I think that would be most welcome!
+
+&gt;<i> Secondly, what should be the correct way of supporting systemd in a
+</I>&gt;<i> package? In Mandriva, I thought on adding a --with flag to
+</I>&gt;<i> enable/disable systemd, but in most cases it does (almost) nothing. All
+</I>&gt;<i> services which want to support systemd only need to place their files
+</I>&gt;<i> into /lib/systemd - and that's it. Should we support opting-out of
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd in specs? I believe fcrozat is having the same dilemma in SuSE
+</I>&gt;<i> now as well, and he settled on some common packaging macros.
+</I>
+IMO, unless something goes horribly wrong with systemd (which I very
+seriously doubt will happen - it's actually been amazing to watch this
+project from birth to wide adoption) I'd say we just jump right in and
+package the units unconditionally. They don't really take up much space
+and do nothing if you choose to not use it for the time being. I think
+by mga3 we'll likely *only* offer systemd (if not in mga2), so I'd say
+putting in effort to opt out now is pretty much not going to be worth it.
+
+If anyone else feels super strongly to the contrary, speak up now or
+forever hold your peace :D
+
+&gt;<i> Almost finally, should the systemd files belong to the main package, the
+</I>&gt;<i> same way as they do with initscripts-based one (e.g., the package would
+</I>&gt;<i> provide /lib/systemd/system/%{name}.service together with
+</I>&gt;<i> %_sysconfig/rc.d/init.d/%{name} for example), with no extra subpackages
+</I>&gt;<i> or flags - or should all systemd-specific files go into %{name}-systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> package for example? What do you think?
+</I>
+I vote to put them in the same place as the initscripts-based ones. As I
+predicted above, I reckon it won't take too long for systemd to be the
+only system offered and obsoleting all those subpackages would be a bit
+of a PITA down the line. And if systemd isn't used those files do
+nothing, so no harm done.
+
+&gt;<i> And finally, what does seems to be the best way of starting to use
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd in cauldron? I have thought on 3 alternatives:
+</I>&gt;<i> - easy way, only having it packaged, but not
+</I>&gt;<i> providing/obsoleting/conflicting with sysvinit. This way, it will work
+</I>&gt;<i> when kernel is booted with init=/bin/systemd (the least invasive way)
+</I>&gt;<i> - compatible way (like in Mandriva) - it is available, systemd-sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i> conflicts with sysvinit, so if someone installs systemd-sysvinit,
+</I>&gt;<i> sysvinit goes away and systemd is run by default. This seems to be the
+</I>&gt;<i> most sane way to me (but I could be biased), and it is easiest one for
+</I>&gt;<i> testing
+</I>&gt;<i> - ultimate way - systemd provides and obsoletes sysvinit and its
+</I>&gt;<i> goodies. This way, systemd will be the only one (e.g., highlander
+</I>&gt;<i> style). This is how fedora did it if I am not mistaken, but I am not
+</I>&gt;<i> sure if it the best way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, that's it for now from my part..
+</I>
+I'd like option 2 please! :) It doesn't exclude using option 1 along
+with it (I was doing this for a while), so it's most flexible.
+
+If all goes well for those testing it, we can vote on whether we jump in
+with both feet :)
+
+That's my take on it anyway!
+
+:<i>)
+</I>
+Col
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+ <B>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU</B>
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+&gt;<i> can the experinced Mageia packagers confirm me that:
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+</I>&gt;<i> -- desktop-file-install / desktop-file-validate is *not* needed in Mageia? (I
+</I>&gt;<i> can validate with rpmlint)
+</I>&gt;<i> -- gtk-update-icon-cache is *not* needed in Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> -- scrollkeeper is *not* needed in Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> -- BuildRequires:&#160;&#160;&#160; desktop-file-utils&#160;&#160;&#160; is therefore *not* needed in Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> -- BuildRequires:&#160;&#160;&#160; scrollkeeper&#160;&#160;&#160; is therefore *not* needed in Mageia?
+</I>
+Oh, wait, I've found
+$ ls /var/lib/rpm/filetriggers/
+fc-cache.filter&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; glib-compile-schemas.script*&#160;&#160;&#160; ldconfig.filter&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; rarian.script*
+fc-cache.script*&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; gtk-icon-cache-gnome.filter&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; ldconfig.script*&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; uclibc.ldconfig.filter
+gconf-schemas.filter&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; gtk-icon-cache-gnome.script*&#160;&#160;&#160; make-session.filter&#160;&#160;&#160; uclibc.ldconfig.script*
+gconf-schemas.script*&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; gtk-icon-cache-hicolor.filter&#160;&#160; make-session.script*&#160;&#160; update-desktop-database.filter
+gio-querymodules.filter&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; gtk-icon-cache-hicolor.script*&#160; mime-database.filter&#160;&#160; update-desktop-database.script*
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+ <B>Eugeni Dodonov</B>
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+<PRE>On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 18:26, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Systemd 30 is out, with lots of nice changes, so I think we should use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it now as we are quite early in the release cycle. It is working on my
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; machine, but before doing something about it, I prefer to hear opinions
+</I>&gt;<i> :).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, IMO (for what it matters) I'm massive for using it ASAP!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ok, systemd 30 is in svn, and (apparently) working, at least on my machine.
+
+However, as I will have a limited Internet connection between tomorrow and
+next week, I am not feeling that safe to send it to cooker. So if someone
+(colin?) would be able to do some additional testing with it before
+submitting, it would be great :).
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+<PRE>On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:26:37 +0100, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And finally, what does seems to be the best way of starting to use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; systemd in cauldron? I have thought on 3 alternatives:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - easy way, only having it packaged, but not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; providing/obsoleting/conflicting with sysvinit. This way, it will work
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; when kernel is booted with init=/bin/systemd (the least invasive way)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - compatible way (like in Mandriva) - it is available, systemd-sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; conflicts with sysvinit, so if someone installs systemd-sysvinit,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sysvinit goes away and systemd is run by default. This seems to be the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; most sane way to me (but I could be biased), and it is easiest one for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; testing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - ultimate way - systemd provides and obsoletes sysvinit and its
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; goodies. This way, systemd will be the only one (e.g., highlander
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; style). This is how fedora did it if I am not mistaken, but I am not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sure if it the best way.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, that's it for now from my part..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like option 2 please! :) It doesn't exclude using option 1 along
+</I>&gt;<i> with it (I was doing this for a while), so it's most flexible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+After my tries with mandriva, I vote for the highlander way (option 3).
+Systemd was almost working (for me, I suppose that with some more questions
+I could have got it working fine), but I always had problems with the mix of
+init and systemd scripts. You could disable something with chkconfig,
+but systemd still lanunched it, you never knew if you had to disable
+something in one place or another, and anyways, it looks like systemd
+is not really thought to &quot;disable&quot; services.
+
+So go for all and go systemd only, so problems will be discovered early and
+fixed early.
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+This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to
+networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network scripts.
+NetworkManger is the only sane way where I can have 5 wifi setups and
+system chooses the good one automagically, and connects on boot.
+Do you think this is worth a separate thread, or there is no point in
+discussion ?
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+TIA
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+&gt;<i> As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and networkmanager.
+</I>&gt;<i> This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to
+</I>&gt;<i> networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network scripts.
+</I>&gt;<i> NetworkManger is the only sane way where I can have 5 wifi setups and
+</I>&gt;<i> system chooses the good one automagically, and connects on boot.
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you think this is worth a separate thread, or there is no point in
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I am all up for networkmanager since 2009, but let's hear Blino's opinion
+:<i>).
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/14 JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and networkmanager.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network scripts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> NetworkManger is the only sane way where I can have 5 wifi setups and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> system chooses the good one automagically, and connects on boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you think this is worth a separate thread, or there is no point in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> discussion ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am all up for networkmanager since 2009, but let's hear Blino's opinion
+</I>&gt;<i> :).
+</I>
+We can probably keep some compatibility (like the sysvinit/systemd
+duality).
+
+What is the issue with ifplugd and NM?
+If NM is used for an interface, ifplugd should not be started for the
+same interface. What's actually happening?
+
+If you have 5 wifi networks configured, wpa_supplicant is normally able
+to automatically select the right one at boot, and it used to work for
+me. What happens in your case?
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+&gt;<i> Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eugeni at dodonov.net</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011/7/14 JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and
+</I>&gt;<i> networkmanager.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network scripts.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; NetworkManger is the only sane way where I can have 5 wifi setups and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; system chooses the good one automagically, and connects on boot.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Do you think this is worth a separate thread, or there is no point in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; discussion ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am all up for networkmanager since 2009, but let's hear Blino's opinion
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; :).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can probably keep some compatibility (like the sysvinit/systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> duality).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is how they work now, except that in mageia networkmanager uses keyfile
+plugin instead of networkmanager-mdv (which is a bit outdated at the moment)
+so the network configuration is different among them.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Secondly, what should be the correct way of supporting systemd in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package? In Mandriva, I thought on adding a --with flag to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> enable/disable systemd, but in most cases it does (almost) nothing. All
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> services which want to support systemd only need to place their files
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> into /lib/systemd - and that's it. Should we support opting-out of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systemd in specs? I believe fcrozat is having the same dilemma in SuSE
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> now as well, and he settled on some common packaging macros.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMO, unless something goes horribly wrong with systemd (which I very
+</I>&gt;<i> seriously doubt will happen - it's actually been amazing to watch this
+</I>&gt;<i> project from birth to wide adoption) I'd say we just jump right in and
+</I>&gt;<i> package the units unconditionally. They don't really take up much space
+</I>&gt;<i> and do nothing if you choose to not use it for the time being. I think
+</I>&gt;<i> by mga3 we'll likely *only* offer systemd (if not in mga2), so I'd say
+</I>&gt;<i> putting in effort to opt out now is pretty much not going to be worth it.
+</I>
+I agree, it does not seem useful to avoid shipping systemd services.
+
+Though, when systemd is enabled, what happens if one has both systemd +
+sysvinit services files installed for a given package?
+Will the initscript be run in addition to the systemd service?
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Almost finally, should the systemd files belong to the main package, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> same way as they do with initscripts-based one (e.g., the package would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> provide /lib/systemd/system/%{name}.service together with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %_sysconfig/rc.d/init.d/%{name} for example), with no extra subpackages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or flags - or should all systemd-specific files go into %{name}-systemd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package for example? What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I vote to put them in the same place as the initscripts-based ones. As I
+</I>&gt;<i> predicted above, I reckon it won't take too long for systemd to be the
+</I>&gt;<i> only system offered and obsoleting all those subpackages would be a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> of a PITA down the line. And if systemd isn't used those files do
+</I>&gt;<i> nothing, so no harm done.
+</I>
+Agreed as well.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> And finally, what does seems to be the best way of starting to use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systemd in cauldron? I have thought on 3 alternatives:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - easy way, only having it packaged, but not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> providing/obsoleting/conflicting with sysvinit. This way, it will work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when kernel is booted with init=/bin/systemd (the least invasive way)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - compatible way (like in Mandriva) - it is available, systemd-sysvinit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> conflicts with sysvinit, so if someone installs systemd-sysvinit,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sysvinit goes away and systemd is run by default. This seems to be the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> most sane way to me (but I could be biased), and it is easiest one for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> testing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - ultimate way - systemd provides and obsoletes sysvinit and its
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> goodies. This way, systemd will be the only one (e.g., highlander
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> style). This is how fedora did it if I am not mistaken, but I am not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure if it the best way.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, that's it for now from my part..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like option 2 please! :) It doesn't exclude using option 1 along
+</I>&gt;<i> with it (I was doing this for a while), so it's most flexible.
+</I>
+Option 2 seems good as well, but does it really have to uninstall
+sysvinit? Isn't it enough to put some alternatives symlinks for
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+&gt;<i> Option 2 seems good as well, but does it really have to uninstall
+</I>&gt;<i> sysvinit? Isn't it enough to put some alternatives symlinks for
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin/init?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is actually a great idea! A perfect candidate for update-alternatives,
+thanks, I haven't thought on that!
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+</I>&gt;<i> This is how they work now, except that in mageia networkmanager uses keyfile
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin instead of networkmanager-mdv (which is a bit outdated at the
+</I>&gt;<i> moment) so the network configuration is different among them.
+</I>Well for cauldron nm-mdv is not available at all because nm 0.9 is quite
+different than 0.8. From a fast look i guess it should not be too difficult to
+adapt your patch starting from the fedora/redhat plugin .
+Regarding a total switch to nm, if i'm not wrong the most problematic part is
+the installer integration.
+Maybe it's possible to adapt our draktools to edit/drop files directly in
+/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ if we're sticking with the native
+plugin (keyfile).
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+&gt;<i> On Thursday 14 July 2011 20:08:17 Eugeni Dodonov wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is how they work now, except that in mageia networkmanager uses
+</I>&gt;<i> keyfile
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; plugin instead of networkmanager-mdv (which is a bit outdated at the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; moment) so the network configuration is different among them.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well for cauldron nm-mdv is not available at all because nm 0.9 is quite
+</I>&gt;<i> different than 0.8. From a fast look i guess it should not be too difficult
+</I>&gt;<i> to
+</I>&gt;<i> adapt your patch starting from the fedora/redhat plugin .
+</I>&gt;<i> Regarding a total switch to nm, if i'm not wrong the most problematic part
+</I>&gt;<i> is
+</I>&gt;<i> the installer integration.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe it's possible to adapt our draktools to edit/drop files directly in
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ if we're sticking with the native
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin (keyfile).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I actually vote for keyfile plugin, because it is most stable and upstream.
+NM-mdv would be the best solution if it would be incorporated upstream, but
+it still needs lots of work to get there.
+
+One big issue with NM only by default is the installation via boot.iso and
+similar methods, and also overall installation via network - while it is
+certainly possible to configure networkmanager from the console, it is by no
+means easy. This was not the case for Mandriva desktop, but I believe that
+it is one nice feature to have in Mageia.
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 22:47, Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eugeni at dodonov.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Firstly, systemdrequires udev &gt;= 172, what is the policy to update it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> According to 'mgarepo maintdb get udev', it has no maintainers, does anyone
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> objects if I grab/update it as well?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (I forgot to mention that it is already up and running fine on my machine).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i just fixed buildrequires and added the source on the SVN ( don't
+forget to use mgarepo sync -c to sync the sources )
+
+I am pushing it on the BS to allow the maximum of ppl to test it.
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+&gt;<i> Flash Player 11 Beta 1 is now available.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer11.html">http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer11.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> This release offers Both 32 and 64 bit support.
+</I>
+Already raised as a bug report
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2146">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2146</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:08, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Option 2 seems good as well, but does it really have to uninstall
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sysvinit? Isn't it enough to put some alternatives symlinks for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /sbin/init?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is actually a great idea! A perfect candidate for update-alternatives,
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks, I haven't thought on that!
+</I>
+Alternatives is not the most reliable system so it should not be used for
+/sbin/init. You could make 2 conflicting packages that only contain a
+/sbin/init symlink and provide something which basesystem depends on.
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+<PRE>In data mercoled&#236; 29 giugno 2011 23:27:08, andre999 ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Any suggestions are welcome.
+</I>Hi,
+I speak for myself, one silly suggestion, can you add links
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+For one who reads mail when he/she can, like me, it could
+be easier to check the state of the art by clicking the links
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+Thanks
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>Hello.
+
+As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new
+version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta
+but seems to work well, some questions:
+- Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping
+the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install
+nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an
+improvement, IMHO.
+
+- For Cauldron:
+ o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch?
+ o Just x86_64 and keep the 32bit stable flash for now
+ o Keep the 32bit stable and create another spec (Name:
+flash-player-pluing11) for 11 beta1? this way 32bit users will have a
+choice to install the version they want.
+
+WDYT?
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 13 July 2011 00:30, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ mgarepo maintdb --help
+</I>&gt;<i> Usage:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;Take maintainership of one package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;See who is maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; mgarepo maintdb get
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Works OK, thanks.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 15/07/11 09:10 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new
+</I>&gt;<i> version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta
+</I>&gt;<i> but seems to work well, some questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping
+</I>&gt;<i> the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install
+</I>&gt;<i> nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an
+</I>&gt;<i> improvement, IMHO.
+</I>
+I'd offer it in main/testing for both arches personally... breaking the
+rules somewhat but it does at least make life easier for debugging and
+triaging anyway to keep things consistent on both arches.
+
+
+&gt;<i> - For Cauldron:
+</I>&gt;<i> o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch?
+</I>
+Yes (IMO)
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+ Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 15 July 2011 11:34, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 15/07/11 09:10 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but seems to work well, some questions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> improvement, IMHO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd offer it in main/testing for both arches personally... breaking the
+</I>&gt;<i> rules somewhat but it does at least make life easier for debugging and
+</I>&gt;<i> triaging anyway to keep things consistent on both arches.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+But it's still a beta, with a &quot;it'll be release before the end of
+2011&quot; which is pretty elastic in terms of ETA....
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> - For Cauldron:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes (IMO)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>venerd&#236; 15 luglio 2011 alle 10:10, Ahmad Samir ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new
+</I>&gt;<i> version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta
+</I>&gt;<i> but seems to work well, some questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping
+</I>&gt;<i> the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install
+</I>&gt;<i> nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an
+</I>&gt;<i> improvement, IMHO.
+</I>I'm in favour with some doubts though.
+
+Some people think mageia is quiet... so maybe we should start to increase
+updates/backports and improving people feelings...
+I say that without using that much mga1, but some days ago updates were
+so little...
+
+The big problem with this package though is that if it is buggy and moreover
+for security reasons, it isn't so upstream responsive, at least for x86_64
+till now...
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - For Cauldron:
+</I>&gt;<i> o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch?
+</I>i vote for that, cauldron is cauldron and we can revert or change things
+before freeze time, some months of testing will show us upstream movements
+also...
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 14/07/11 23:40 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 18:26, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Systemd 30 is out, with lots of nice changes, so I think we should use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it now as we are quite early in the release cycle. It is working on my
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; machine, but before doing something about it, I prefer to hear
+</I>&gt;<i> opinions :).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, IMO (for what it matters) I'm massive for using it ASAP!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, systemd 30 is in svn, and (apparently) working, at least on my machine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, as I will have a limited Internet connection between tomorrow
+</I>&gt;<i> and next week, I am not feeling that safe to send it to cooker. So if
+</I>&gt;<i> someone (colin?) would be able to do some additional testing with it
+</I>&gt;<i> before submitting, it would be great :).
+</I>
+OK, I tried to compile it up locally, but it didn't build:
+
+checking for m4... /usr/bin/m4
+configure: creating ./config.status
+config.status: creating Makefile
+config.status: creating po/Makefile.in
+config.status: creating config.h
+config.status: executing depfiles commands
+config.status: executing libtool commands
+config.status: executing po/stamp-it commands
+configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --with-syslog-service
+
+ systemd 30
+
+ Distribution: mageia
+ SysV compatibility: yes
+ SysV init scripts: /etc/rc.d/init.d
+ SysV rc?.d directories: /etc/rc.d
+ Gtk: yes
+ libcryptsetup: no
+ tcpwrap: yes
+ PAM: yes
+ AUDIT: yes
+ SELinux: no
+ ACL: yes
+ binfmt: yes
+ plymouth: yes
+ prefix: /usr
+ root dir:
+ udev rules dir: /lib/udev/rules.d
+ pam modules dir: /lib/../lib64/security
+ dbus policy dir: /etc/dbus-1/system.d
+ dbus session dir: /usr/share/dbus-1/services
+ dbus system dir:
+/usr/share/dbus-1/services/../system-services
+ dbus interfaces dir: /usr/share/dbus-1/services/../interfaces
+
++ make -j2
+Makefile:7228: *** missing separator. Stop.
+error: Bad exit status from /home/colin/rpm/tmp/rpm-tmp.vn9NeJ (%build)
+
+
+RPM build errors:
+ Bad exit status from /home/colin/rpm/tmp/rpm-tmp.vn9NeJ (%build)
+
+
+This appears to be the result of some tab/spaces mixup in the
+Makefile.am patch, so I've fixed that up.
+
+Next problem as a TARGET_MANDRIVA define rather than a TARGET_MAGEIA one
+(easily done), so I tweaked that too.
+
+Then there was a syntax error with an #ifndef line in service.c so fixed
+that up.
+
+Now that it's compiled, I need to test it :D
+
+(I've pushed the updated patch back to SVN, but you probably want to
+update your git checkout before regenerating and posting the patch upstream)
+
+Col
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+ Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
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+<PRE>2011/7/15 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Any objections about offering it in mga1?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+No I agree.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - For Cauldron:
+</I>&gt;<i> o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I vote for that.
+</I>
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think, as Angelo wrote, that the updates for mga1 should be increased, and
+that's why I'll start to help the QA team to test packages.
+
+--
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+<PRE>On 15 July 2011 11:55, Angelo Naselli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> venerd&#236; 15 luglio 2011 alle 10:10, Ahmad Samir ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but seems to work well, some questions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> improvement, IMHO.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm in favour with some doubts though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some people think mageia is quiet... so maybe we should start to increase
+</I>&gt;<i> updates/backports and improving people feelings...
+</I>
+You mean create &quot;hype&quot; with updates? just updating for updating's sake
+is not useful, for me at least, unless an update fixes a bug in a
+package I am using.
+
+&gt;<i> I say that without using that much mga1, but some days ago updates were
+</I>&gt;<i> so little...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The big problem with this package though is that if it is buggy and moreover
+</I>&gt;<i> for security reasons, it isn't so upstream responsive, at least for x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> till now...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't have hard numbers, but my guess would be that a lot of x86_64
+users are already using the 11 beta1..... adding it in the repos is
+just a convenience sort of thing (the same with packaging a binary
+blob that doesn't need compiling... even more so if the package in
+question is a skeleton package that downloads a tarball/rpm from
+upstream when the user installs a package).
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - For Cauldron:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch?
+</I>&gt;<i> i vote for that, cauldron is cauldron and we can revert or change things
+</I>&gt;<i> before freeze time, some months of testing will show us upstream movements
+</I>&gt;<i> also...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+[....]
+
+&gt;<i> Angelo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>venerd&#236; 15 luglio 2011 alle 12:37, Ahmad Samir ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Some people think mageia is quiet... so maybe we should start to increase
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updates/backports and improving people feelings...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You mean create &quot;hype&quot; with updates? just updating for updating's sake
+</I>&gt;<i> is not useful, for me at least, unless an update fixes a bug in a
+</I>&gt;<i> package I am using.
+</I>agree with that, what i meant is just improving our update process
+we're focusing on packaging mentoring maybe we should do more on QA... don't know,
+what i mean is let's see we're alive...
+
+Note that i know we are... ;)
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+<PRE>On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:37:49 +0300
+Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On 15 July 2011 11:55, Angelo Naselli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; venerd&#236; 15 luglio 2011 alle 10:10, Ahmad Samir ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit support,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; it's still in beta but seems to work well, some questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; keeping the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; install nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; is an improvement, IMHO.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm in favour with some doubts though.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Some people think mageia is quiet... so maybe we should start
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to increase updates/backports and improving people feelings...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You mean create &quot;hype&quot; with updates? just updating for updating's
+</I>&gt;<i> sake is not useful, for me at least, unless an update fixes a bug
+</I>&gt;<i> in a package I am using.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Quiet is good! As long as all bugs and security issues are fixed,
+why make unnecessary noise?
+
+
+--
+Margot
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+**Otford Ducks Computers**
+We teach, you learn...
+...and, if you don't do your homework, we set the cat on you!
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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+<PRE>Ahmad Samir skrev 15.7.2011 12:43:
+&gt;<i> On 15 July 2011 11:34, Colin Guthrie&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd offer it in main/testing for both arches personally... breaking the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rules somewhat but it does at least make life easier for debugging and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> triaging anyway to keep things consistent on both arches.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But it's still a beta, with a &quot;it'll be release before the end of
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011&quot; which is pretty elastic in terms of ETA....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+_if_ we provide it for mageia 1, it belongs in backports(_testing), not
+updates(_testing)
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+--
+Thomas
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 15 July 2011 14:17, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir skrev 15.7.2011 12:43:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 15 July 2011 11:34, Colin Guthrie&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; &#160;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'd offer it in main/testing for both arches personally... breaking the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rules somewhat but it does at least make life easier for debugging and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> triaging anyway to keep things consistent on both arches.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But it's still a beta, with a &quot;it'll be release before the end of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011&quot; which is pretty elastic in terms of ETA....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _if_ we provide it for mageia 1, it belongs in backports(_testing), not
+</I>&gt;<i> updates(_testing)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Good point, I didn't say where I'd submit it (but somehow I was
+thinking updates_testing...), you're right, should be backports.
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+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 15/07/11 13:20 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 15 July 2011 14:17, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir skrev 15.7.2011 12:43:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 15 July 2011 11:34, Colin Guthrie&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'd offer it in main/testing for both arches personally... breaking the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rules somewhat but it does at least make life easier for debugging and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> triaging anyway to keep things consistent on both arches.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But it's still a beta, with a &quot;it'll be release before the end of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011&quot; which is pretty elastic in terms of ETA....
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _if_ we provide it for mageia 1, it belongs in backports(_testing), not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates(_testing)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good point, I didn't say where I'd submit it (but somehow I was
+</I>&gt;<i> thinking updates_testing...), you're right, should be backports.
+</I>
+I said main/testing so I probably polluted your mind! But yeah backports
+makes sense.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+ Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+Open Source:
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+the BS is now fixed, you can work and push again new stuffs
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5BMageia%202%20specifications%5D%20Systemd%20or%20not%20systemd&In-Reply-To=%3C4E203F6B.40900%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd">mageia at colin.guthr.ie
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+ <I>Fri Jul 15 15:23:55 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 15/07/11 11:01 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Now that it's compiled, I need to test it :D
+</I>
+Well it boots. And I have network connections! I have a problem where
+bluetoothd does not start but I'll solve that one at some point (it was
+a problem when I last used systemd too!)
+
+The various issues can now be solved as we go!
+
+Col
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+ Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
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+ <B>Sandro Cazzaniga</B>
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+<PRE>Thanks :)
+------Message d'origine------
+De: D.Morgan
+Exp&#233;diteur&#160;: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+&#192;: Mageia development mailing-list
+R&#233;pondre &#224;: Mageia development mailing-list
+Objet: [Mageia-dev] BS fixed
+Envoy&#233;: 15 juil. 2011 15:22
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+Hello,
+
+the BS is now fixed, you can work and push again new stuffs
+
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+Sandro Cazzaniga
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5BMageia%202%20specifications%5D%20Systemd%20or%20not%20systemd&In-Reply-To=%3CCAL%2BdqvAoD0y0QtdfF5DO9a4__fehqJKkFDs8AY%2Bf_vQYhBouhw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 15/07/11 11:01 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now that it's compiled, I need to test it :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well it boots. And I have network connections! I have a problem where
+</I>&gt;<i> bluetoothd does not start but I'll solve that one at some point (it was
+</I>&gt;<i> a problem when I last used systemd too!)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The various issues can now be solved as we go!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+Now that we have latest systemd rpm, is it OK to enable the systemd
+switches in the other rpms ? udev, ...
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
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+<PRE>I just noticed this package during sync:
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+libwordsexportfilters%wordsexportfilters_major-2.4-0.alpha3.1.mga2
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+Thomas
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+ <B>D.Morgan</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I just noticed this package during sync:
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+</I>&gt;<i> libwordsexportfilters%wordsexportfilters_major-2.4-0.alpha3.1.mga2
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+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
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+i was working on valstar when i saw you mail, so i am removing the
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+ <B>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU</B>
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+ <B>D.Morgan</B>
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+ <I>Fri Jul 15 16:58:32 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 4:55 PM, D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just noticed this package during sync:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libwordsexportfilters%wordsexportfilters_major-2.4-0.alpha3.1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i was working on valstar when i saw you mail, so i am removing the
+</I>&gt;<i> file from the repos and fixing calligra
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This should be fixed now.
+
+thanks for your mail
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+ <I>Fri Jul 15 17:14:40 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Radu-Cristian FOTESCU at 15/07/11 15:55 did gyre and
+gimble:
+&gt;<i> Should I report as a bug the fact that using %apply_patches (from /usr/lib/rpm/macros) instead of the list of patches, one per line, makes rpmlint complain that W: patch-not-applied ?
+</I>
+Smells like a valid reason to open a bug IMO.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+ Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20ANN%3A%20kernel-3.0-rc7-git2%20landing%20on%20Cauldron...&In-Reply-To=%3C4E2062F8.8070203%40mageia.org%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.0-rc7-git2 landing on Cauldron...">tmb at mageia.org
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+This is just a headsup...
+
+core kernel is being updated to 3.0-rc7-git2
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+I just submitted it to the buildsystem so it should be on the mirrors in
+ 4-7 hours...
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+--
+Thomas
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+ <I>Fri Jul 15 20:28:20 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Has anyone else noticed that as of updating yesterday or today, the
+windows in KDE have no titlebars, and cannot be moved or closed (except
+through the individual app) ?
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+I used to see this occasionally under GNOME 2.32, but logging out/in
+again usually put it right. That doesn't work in the current KDE. All
+windows open in the top left of the screen with no enclosing frame, i.e.
+the MenuBar is the topmost thing you see.
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>On 07/15/2011 02:28 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> Has anyone else noticed that as of updating yesterday or today, the
+</I>&gt;<i> windows in KDE have no titlebars, and cannot be moved or closed
+</I>&gt;<i> (except through the individual app) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I used to see this occasionally under GNOME 2.32, but logging out/in
+</I>&gt;<i> again usually put it right. That doesn't work in the current KDE.
+</I>&gt;<i> All windows open in the top left of the screen with no enclosing
+</I>&gt;<i> frame, i.e. the MenuBar is the topmost thing you see.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Turning Compiz off gets the titlebars back, but I've had Compiz on for a
+week or more without this problem. Googling shows that there is some
+conflict between Compiz and KDE, and other distro forums mentioned a
+compiz-kde package. Has something similar not been rebuilt for the new
+KDE ?
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+<PRE>On Friday 15 July 2011 15:06:11 Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 07/15/2011 02:28 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Has anyone else noticed that as of updating yesterday or today, the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; windows in KDE have no titlebars, and cannot be moved or closed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (except through the individual app) ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I used to see this occasionally under GNOME 2.32, but logging out/in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; again usually put it right. That doesn't work in the current KDE.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; All windows open in the top left of the screen with no enclosing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; frame, i.e. the MenuBar is the topmost thing you see.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Turning Compiz off gets the titlebars back, but I've had Compiz on for a
+</I>&gt;<i> week or more without this problem. Googling shows that there is some
+</I>&gt;<i> conflict between Compiz and KDE, and other distro forums mentioned a
+</I>&gt;<i> compiz-kde package. Has something similar not been rebuilt for the new
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE ?
+</I>I just finished to push compiz 0.8.8 (works is done by julien) &amp; everything is
+working here.
+How do you configure compiz ?
+Here it's simply working by selecting compiz as the default windows manager
+using systemsettings ( kcmshell4 componentchooser in konsole)
+
+Regards,
+
+--
+Balcaen John
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Balcaen John at 15/07/11 20:16 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Friday 15 July 2011 15:06:11 Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 07/15/2011 02:28 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Has anyone else noticed that as of updating yesterday or today, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> windows in KDE have no titlebars, and cannot be moved or closed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (except through the individual app) ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I used to see this occasionally under GNOME 2.32, but logging out/in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> again usually put it right. That doesn't work in the current KDE.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All windows open in the top left of the screen with no enclosing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> frame, i.e. the MenuBar is the topmost thing you see.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Turning Compiz off gets the titlebars back, but I've had Compiz on for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> week or more without this problem. Googling shows that there is some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> conflict between Compiz and KDE, and other distro forums mentioned a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> compiz-kde package. Has something similar not been rebuilt for the new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> KDE ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I just finished to push compiz 0.8.8 (works is done by julien) &amp; everything is
+</I>&gt;<i> working here.
+</I>&gt;<i> How do you configure compiz ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Here it's simply working by selecting compiz as the default windows manager
+</I>&gt;<i> using systemsettings ( kcmshell4 componentchooser in konsole)
+</I>
+Interesting, that method never really worked before (or at least I never
+tested it).
+
+Normally, you pick compiz via drak3d....
+
+Col
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+
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
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+Open Source:
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+<PRE>On Friday 15 July 2011 22:20:40 Colin Guthrie wrote:
+[...]
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+</I>&gt;<i> Interesting, that method never really worked before (or at least I never
+</I>&gt;<i> tested it).
+</I>It was not working for mageia 1.
+
+&gt;<i> Normally, you pick compiz via drak3d....
+</I>The last time i used drak3d was during the launch of Metisse :)
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+<PRE>Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> In data mercoled&#236; 29 giugno 2011 23:27:08, andre999 ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any suggestions are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> I speak for myself, one silly suggestion, can you add links
+</I>&gt;<i> of wiki pages you talk about in the bottom of your mails?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For one who reads mail when he/she can, like me, it could
+</I>&gt;<i> be easier to check the state of the art by clicking the links
+</I>&gt;<i> especially if he/she reads the thread some days later and the
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion has been almost to the end.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>
+Very good idea.
+I'll do my best to remember :)
+
+The page this thread refers to is here :
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring</A>
+Hopefully the simplified table of contents is clear.
+(It's been rearranged somewhat since I started the thread.)
+
+Regards
+--
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+<PRE>Some packages must be submitted only to tainted. Is there already a way to
+prevent a wrong submit to the core section, when a package builds without
+buildrequires in tainted ?
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+If yes, what is the way, and if not, shouldn't we define a standard way to do
+that in the spec files ?
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+Best regards
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+Samuel
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>Le samedi 9 juillet 2011 14:46:14, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I used the --with-man option of the %find_lang RPM macro, but noticed that
+</I>&gt;<i> it adds all /usr/share/man/XX and /usr/share/man/XX/manX directories to
+</I>&gt;<i> the package, which, it seems, is bad.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Spturtle noticed that for example /usr/share/man/sr belongs to no other
+</I>&gt;<i> package and prefers that it belongs to too much packages than to no package
+</I>&gt;<i> at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I looked at what fedora does, and it looks like they added all those
+</I>&gt;<i> translated manpages dirs to the filesystem package ( see
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/sr">http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/sr</A> and select fedora )
+</I>&gt;<i> It would solve the problem at hand and we could start cleaning wrong
+</I>&gt;<i> ownerships, such as those :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/fr">http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/fr</A> (select mageia)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+No opinion, or did I ask when everybody was at the Libre Software Meeting ?
+
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+<PRE>Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 01:17 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Some packages must be submitted only to tainted. Is there already a way to
+</I>&gt;<i> prevent a wrong submit to the core section, when a package builds without
+</I>&gt;<i> buildrequires in tainted ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If yes, what is the way, and if not, shouldn't we define a standard way to do
+</I>&gt;<i> that in the spec files ?
+</I>
+We could add a requies to some dummy rpm that is present in tainted
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+But I think this problem would not occurs often. If someone push it
+without saying where to go, it should go to the proper repository.
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+And if someone push it to core, we should assume that he know what he
+does. There is no way to push by error to core, as you would need to add
+specific option ( iirc ).
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+&gt;<i> Almost finally, should the systemd files belong to the main package, the
+</I>&gt;<i> same way as they do with initscripts-based one (e.g., the package would
+</I>&gt;<i> provide /lib/systemd/system/%{name}.service together with
+</I>&gt;<i> %_sysconfig/rc.d/init.d/%{name} for example), with no extra subpackages or
+</I>&gt;<i> flags - or should all systemd-specific files go into %{name}-systemd package
+</I>&gt;<i> for example? What do you think?
+</I>
+Everything in 1 package.
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+&gt;<i> And finally, what does seems to be the best way of starting to use systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> in cauldron? I have thought on 3 alternatives:
+</I>&gt;<i> - easy way, only having it packaged, but not
+</I>&gt;<i> providing/obsoleting/conflicting with sysvinit. This way, it will work when
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel is booted with init=/bin/systemd (the least invasive way)
+</I>&gt;<i> - compatible way (like in Mandriva) - it is available, systemd-sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i> conflicts with sysvinit, so if someone installs systemd-sysvinit, sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i> goes away and systemd is run by default. This seems to be the most sane way
+</I>&gt;<i> to me (but I could be biased), and it is easiest one for testing
+</I>&gt;<i> - ultimate way - systemd provides and obsoletes sysvinit and its goodies.
+</I>&gt;<i> This way, systemd will be the only one (e.g., highlander style). This is how
+</I>&gt;<i> fedora did it if I am not mistaken, but I am not sure if it the best way.
+</I>
+Option 2 for Mageia 2, and option 3 for Mageia 3.
+
+People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least
+), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in
+the last minute. Rtp was not really fond of systemd on arm and embedded
+system either.
+
+So we should keep the possibility of letting people choose for Mageia 2.
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+Also, systemd was reverted for f14, and while it was working fine for
+me, I would rather make sure we have a reputation of being cautious and
+choosing the quality rather than trying to steal the reputation of
+Fedora.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 15 juillet 2011 &#224; 11:10 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new
+</I>&gt;<i> version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta
+</I>&gt;<i> but seems to work well, some questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> - Any objections about offering it in mga1?
+</I>
+Yes, I do.
+That's a beta, and stable is not a dumping ground for that.
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 &#224; 00:30 +0200, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>
+It was not uploaded to the mirrors.
+ie, nothing on :
+<A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/software/mgarepo">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/software/mgarepo</A>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 &#224; 12:11 +0200, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 00:30:41, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; $ mgarepo maintdb --help
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Usage:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Take maintainership of one package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; See who is maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; mgarepo maintdb get
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I used in in Mageia 1 using the package in updates_testing and it works well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, it's moved to updates now.
+</I>
+Wasn't it against the policy ( ie, this is neither a bugfix, this is a
+version update, providing feature ) ?
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 &#224; 21:10 +0200, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op woensdag 13 juli 2011 20:46:30 schreef nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Can we also have a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; See all your packages (or packages from other user login):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; mgarepo maintdb show [login]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It's already possible with :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo maintdb get | grep :login
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Is this process also available for novice packagers?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yes, good enough,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Novice packagers cannot be maintainer. But content of maintdb is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; also available at this url :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> huh, novice packagers cannot be maintainer?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been maintainer in mandriva before for my packages, even though i was
+</I>&gt;<i> novice?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> after all, i can't exactly be a burden to my mentor for all those things?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please allow me to be maintainer of those few packages that i have.
+</I>
+Just complete the required step to become maintainer.
+
+It doesn't make sense to be listed as a maintainer if you are just a
+apprentice.
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 &#224; 21:31 +0200, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op woensdag 13 juli 2011 20:46:30 schreef nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Is this process also available for novice packagers?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Novice packagers cannot be maintainer. But content of maintdb is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; also available at this url :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like novices to be allowed to grab maintainership as well for the
+</I>&gt;<i> following 3 reasons:
+</I>&gt;<i> - easier as a padawan to check your packages and followup to see which have
+</I>&gt;<i> to be updated/backported
+</I>
+Then we should not use maintainership as the only source for such
+informations. The tool written by stormi ( madb ) should fill that gap.
+
+&gt;<i> - the day a padawan gets full packager, he would have to set all the
+</I>&gt;<i> packages, and it might not be easy to find them, or even alot of work, if the
+</I>&gt;<i> mentor has alot of them
+</I>
+If there is lots of packages, then either the packages are not good
+enough, and the mentor should not accept them so the problem should not
+exist in practice, or they are good enough, and then the novice should
+have become packager sooner.
+
+The goal of novice is not to add lots of packages to become packagers,
+but to demonstrate enough knowledge while maintaining them. So I would
+rather have a system that discourage adding lots of rpms. Ie, if there
+is a incentive to focus on existing rpms, I think we should use it.
+
+&gt;<i> - bug reports would then be assigned to the mentor instead of the novice,
+</I>&gt;<i> which would perhaps give a bit more work towards mentor to notify his novice
+</I>&gt;<i> about it.
+</I>
+If the novice disappear, then someone should take care of the packages,
+and it should be the mentor. This way, they will not accept random rpms
+thinking &quot;this is not my duty to take care&quot;.
+
+A novice is not responsible for a package, since he is novice. So the
+database should simply reflect that.
+
+And if restricting the access is a way to motivate a novice to finish
+his training, then we should simply do it.
+
+Also, having people being listed while not being able to submit will
+make the creation of re-assignation rules harder. ( ie, if for example
+we say that a package that was not touched by the original maintainer
+after X submit is reassigned to the current uploader, stuff like that ).
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 &#224; 15:34 +0200, Dexter Morgan a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 13 July 2011 13:53, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Wednesday 13 July 2011 09:49:01 Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; The group Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time doesn't exist in Mageia. 3
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; different packagers haven't seen this ? :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Maybe we should check it via rpmlint on package upload ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; s/upload/submit/.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yes this would prevent to build for &quot;nothing&quot;
+</I>
+I think it wouldn't work for sub packages.
+
+And before enabling this, we need to have a way to keep
+rpmlint-mageia-policy in sync on valstar ( as the last time I restricted
+upload, people complained ).
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 &#224; 09:51 +0200, philippe makowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/13 Michael scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I would be in favor of treating python2 and python 3 as 2 differents languages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The rational is that :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - we cannot garantee to have support for both
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - we will likely have some module who would be updated only on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; python 3 sooner or later
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - we will need to do upgrade of package at different time, since both python2 and python3 are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; released at different time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So rather than a complex scheme that will confuse packagers, just consider they
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; are separate, and use the almost same policy ( with s/python/python3/ )
+</I>&gt;<i> And how do you manage package that support both P2 and P3 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> (same source)
+</I>
+Either 2 rpms with the same source, or 1 rpm that generate 2 sub rpms.
+
+I would rather use 2 separate rpms, as this seems to be easier.
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 &#224; 09:55 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/13 JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:29:31 +0200, Jos&#233; Jorge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le mardi 12 juillet 2011 15:12:52, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Yet another burning subject that needs time to think about it and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; eventually migrate to.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2121">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2121</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Grub 2 is coming now regularly in proposals. What should we do about it :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; - Stay with Grub 1 - pb ? maintainance ? restrictions ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; - Switch to Grub 2 : smooth migration, tests, integration...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; SWITCH!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; We can switch Cauldron now, to get massive tests, now that KDM knows it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I feel it is specially important that drakboot, gdm and kdm work nicely with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; it (ie. no regression).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - Test also multiboot with Ubuntu and Fedora (auto-detection)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; And still keep GRUB1 till Mageia 3, to have a simple go back avalaible for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; people who will have problems with GRUB2.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What for ? Any day from now everybody will be using btrfs to boot and then
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; GRUB 1 is useless...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How many percent of $ALL is your &quot;everybody&quot;? Most not-so-experienced
+</I>&gt;<i> users will not use btrfs until it is the standard filesystem in the
+</I>&gt;<i> installer. People who will not install Mageia2 but upgrade Mageia1
+</I>&gt;<i> will continue with their current filesystem. There are more reasons to
+</I>&gt;<i> keep Grub1 for a while as an option.
+</I>
+Grub 2 is also able to boot ext4 without trouble since several years. So
+keeping grub 1 for a while doesn't make sense at all if this is related
+to file system.
+
+And grub 2 also support reading grub 1 configuration file since
+September 2010.
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+&gt;<i> I used the --with-man option of the %find_lang RPM macro, but noticed that it
+</I>&gt;<i> adds all /usr/share/man/XX and /usr/share/man/XX/manX directories to the
+</I>&gt;<i> package, which, it seems, is bad.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Spturtle noticed that for example /usr/share/man/sr belongs to no other
+</I>&gt;<i> package and prefers that it belongs to too much packages than to no package at
+</I>&gt;<i> all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I looked at what fedora does, and it looks like they added all those
+</I>&gt;<i> translated manpages dirs to the filesystem package ( see
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/sr">http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/sr</A> and select fedora )
+</I>&gt;<i> It would solve the problem at hand and we could start cleaning wrong
+</I>&gt;<i> ownerships, such as those :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/fr">http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/fr</A> (select mageia)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+Just saw your post, and reflected a bit.
+/usr/share/man/man* belongs to filesystem (of course)
+On my system, most /usr/share/man/{lang}/man1/ belong to the same 2 packages
+(or just one of them).
+fr belongs to one more.
+sv to none.
+So most packages don't take ownership of /usr/share/man/{lang}/man*.
+And some do, even after the directory already exists.
+
+Having no owner seems fine to me, and belonging to the filesystem package seems
+the only reasonable alternative.
+Whatever everyone prefers, and is doable.
+
+Maybe we should use the buildsystem to enforce the chosen option ?
+Or just add it to rpmlint-mageia-policy ?
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+(I'm curious as to what controls this.)
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+&gt;<i> Option 2 for Mageia 2, and option 3 for Mageia 3.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least
+</I>&gt;<i> ), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in
+</I>&gt;<i> the last minute. Rtp was not really fond of systemd on arm and embedded
+</I>&gt;<i> system either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ok, so we all agree :).
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+discussion before mga3. On further thinking, there are some cases where
+initscripts could be preferred to systemd, so better not considering killing
+them at all.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 &#224; 00:30 +0200, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was not uploaded to the mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i> ie, nothing on :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/software/mgarepo">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/software/mgarepo</A>
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+Strange ... it's in core/updates on my local mirror (in Canada).
+I've already updated.
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+ <B>Eugeni Dodonov</B>
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+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 15 juillet 2011 &#224; 11:10 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but seems to work well, some questions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Any objections about offering it in mga1?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I do.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's a beta, and stable is not a dumping ground for that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Right, let's do a head count:
+Mageia 64bit users who are using the 64bit Adobe Flash 11 Beta 1,
+please raise your hand (my hand is raised already, I've been using it
+for 2-3 days).
+
+The point, if there's no other easy way to watch flash for 64bit users
+without jumping through hoops (using nspluginwrapper, which is
+occasionally problematic, or using a 32bit browser on an x86_64
+system, which entails installing some more 32bit libs), there's a good
+chance they'll use flash 11, alpha/beta/rc is still better than the
+hoops.
+
+Also we're talking about pushing it to backports, not updates.
+
+Anyway, since I am personally not affected by the whole issue, I am
+not pushing to submit to mga1, do a poll or whatever, when a consensus
+is reached we can act accordingly.
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Right, let's do a head count:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 64bit users who are using the 64bit Adobe Flash 11 Beta 1,
+</I>&gt;<i> please raise your hand (my hand is raised already, I've been using it
+</I>&gt;<i> for 2-3 days).
+</I>+1
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+This beta works OK, a lot better than any other option on 64-bit systems.
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Balcaen John at 15/07/11 20:16 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Friday 15 July 2011 15:06:11 Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 07/15/2011 02:28 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Has anyone else noticed that as of updating yesterday or today, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> windows in KDE have no titlebars, and cannot be moved or closed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (except through the individual app) ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I used to see this occasionally under GNOME 2.32, but logging out/in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> again usually put it right. &#160;That doesn't work in the current KDE.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All windows open in the top left of the screen with no enclosing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> frame, i.e. the MenuBar is the topmost thing you see.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Turning Compiz off gets the titlebars back, but I've had Compiz on for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> week or more without this problem. &#160;Googling shows that there is some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> conflict between Compiz and KDE, and other distro forums mentioned a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> compiz-kde package. &#160;Has something similar not been rebuilt for the new
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> KDE ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just finished to push compiz 0.8.8 (works is done by julien) &amp; everything is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> working here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How do you configure compiz ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here it's simply working by selecting compiz as the default windows manager
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using systemsettings ( kcmshell4 componentchooser &#160;in konsole)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Interesting, that method never really worked before (or at least I never
+</I>&gt;<i> tested it).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It worked since mikala added
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdebase4-runtime/current/SOURCES/kdebase-runtime-4.6.0-fedora-support-for-compiz.patch,">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdebase4-runtime/current/SOURCES/kdebase-runtime-4.6.0-fedora-support-for-compiz.patch,</A>
+IIUC.
+
+&gt;<i> Normally, you pick compiz via drak3d....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>2011/7/16 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 16 July 2011 02:57, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 15 juillet 2011 &#224; 11:10 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but seems to work well, some questions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Any objections about offering it in mga1?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, I do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's a beta, and stable is not a dumping ground for that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Right, let's do a head count:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 64bit users who are using the 64bit Adobe Flash 11 Beta 1,
+</I>&gt;<i> please raise your hand (my hand is raised already, I've been using it
+</I>&gt;<i> for 2-3 days).
+</I>
+Same here.
+
+&gt;<i> The point, if there's no other easy way to watch flash for 64bit users
+</I>&gt;<i> without jumping through hoops (using nspluginwrapper, which is
+</I>&gt;<i> occasionally problematic, or using a 32bit browser on an x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> system, which entails installing some more 32bit libs), there's a good
+</I>&gt;<i> chance they'll use flash 11, alpha/beta/rc is still better than the
+</I>&gt;<i> hoops.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also we're talking about pushing it to backports, not updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, since I am personally not affected by the whole issue, I am
+</I>&gt;<i> not pushing to submit to mga1, do a poll or whatever, when a consensus
+</I>&gt;<i> is reached we can act accordingly.
+</I>
+Yes, sure, no need to hurry.
+For those who do not know how to install it from the Adobe site
+somebody already posted a HowTo in the forum. So, a Mageia package
+will only be needed for those who can not read, all others will
+already have it installed by then.
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+But what do I know about technical things....
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+--
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux 2.19+
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 15 juillet 2011 &#224; 22:27 -0400, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 &#224; 00:30 +0200, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It was not uploaded to the mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ie, nothing on :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/software/mgarepo">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/software/mgarepo</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Strange ... it's in core/updates on my local mirror (in Canada).
+</I>&gt;<i> I've already updated.
+</I>
+I speak of the tarball, not the package. I use it to create a fedora
+package for my laptop ( and I plan to submit it for inclusion later ).
+
+And the lack of tarball was one of the reason we identified for the lack
+of reuse of our tools.
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+Michael Scherer
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+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new
+</I>&gt;<i> version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta
+</I>&gt;<i> but seems to work well, some questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping
+</I>&gt;<i> the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install
+</I>&gt;<i> nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an
+</I>&gt;<i> improvement, IMHO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - For Cauldron:
+</I>&gt;<i> o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch?
+</I>&gt;<i> o Just x86_64 and keep the 32bit stable flash for now
+</I>&gt;<i> o Keep the 32bit stable and create another spec (Name:
+</I>&gt;<i> flash-player-pluing11) for 11 beta1? this way 32bit users will have a
+</I>&gt;<i> choice to install the version they want.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>
+I'd provide it as 'flash-player-plugin11' or 'flash-player-plugin-beta'
+for both cauldron and mga1.
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+--
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+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 15 juillet 2011 &#224; 22:27 -0400, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 &#224; 00:30 +0200, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; It was not uploaded to the mirrors.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ie, nothing on :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/software/mgarepo">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/software/mgarepo</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Strange ... it's in core/updates on my local mirror (in Canada).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've already updated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I speak of the tarball, not the package. I use it to create a fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> package for my laptop ( and I plan to submit it for inclusion later ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And the lack of tarball was one of the reason we identified for the lack
+</I>&gt;<i> of reuse of our tools.
+</I>
+just wait the miror to be updated and you will find the tarball in
+<A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/software/mgarepo">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/software/mgarepo</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 15/07/11 11:01 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now that it's compiled, I need to test it :D
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well it boots. And I have network connections! I have a problem where
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bluetoothd does not start but I'll solve that one at some point (it was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a problem when I last used systemd too!)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The various issues can now be solved as we go!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now that we have latest systemd rpm, is it OK to enable the systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> switches in the other rpms ? udev, ...
+</I>
+OK? it is necessary: I had to fix dbus, consolekit, and accountsservice
+to get a working system. But mediatomb now starts serving files from nfs
+on boot, so the new systemd seems to be an improvement.
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+<PRE>Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 03:02:21, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 &#224; 12:11 +0200, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 00:30:41, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; $ mgarepo maintdb --help
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Usage:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Take maintainership of one package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; See who is maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; mgarepo maintdb get
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I used in in Mageia 1 using the package in updates_testing and it works
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; well.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ok, it's moved to updates now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wasn't it against the policy ( ie, this is neither a bugfix, this is a
+</I>&gt;<i> version update, providing feature ) ?
+</I>
+Strictly speaking, maybe, but the policy says &quot;Things are not set in stone,
+but we need a policy to move ahead with releasing updates for mga1, and we can
+refine the process as we find issues/shortcomings.&quot;, and I think this is one of
+the cases where we can allow updates, to ease packager's work. We could add
+&quot;updates of mageia distribution building tools are allowed to ensure that
+packagers using stable releases have the same tools than those using cauldron&quot;
+
+What do you think ?
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 01:17 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Some packages must be submitted only to tainted. Is there already a way
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to prevent a wrong submit to the core section, when a package builds
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; without buildrequires in tainted ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If yes, what is the way, and if not, shouldn't we define a standard way
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to do that in the spec files ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could add a requies to some dummy rpm that is present in tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> only.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I think this problem would not occurs often. If someone push it
+</I>&gt;<i> without saying where to go, it should go to the proper repository.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And if someone push it to core, we should assume that he know what he
+</I>&gt;<i> does. There is no way to push by error to core, as you would need to add
+</I>&gt;<i> specific option ( iirc ).
+</I>
+You mean that I can type &quot;mdvsys submit transcode&quot; and it will know that it
+must not go to core but to tainted ? Based on what information ?
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+<PRE>Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 10:57 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 16 July 2011 02:57, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le vendredi 15 juillet 2011 &#224; 11:10 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; but seems to work well, some questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - Any objections about offering it in mga1?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, I do.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's a beta, and stable is not a dumping ground for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Right, let's do a head count:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 64bit users who are using the 64bit Adobe Flash 11 Beta 1,
+</I>&gt;<i> please raise your hand (my hand is raised already, I've been using it
+</I>&gt;<i> for 2-3 days).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The point, if there's no other easy way to watch flash for 64bit users
+</I>&gt;<i> without jumping through hoops (using nspluginwrapper, which is
+</I>&gt;<i> occasionally problematic, or using a 32bit browser on an x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> system, which entails installing some more 32bit libs), there's a good
+</I>&gt;<i> chance they'll use flash 11, alpha/beta/rc is still better than the
+</I>&gt;<i> hoops.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also we're talking about pushing it to backports, not updates.
+</I>
+I think we were all agreeing to raise confidence in backports.
+
+I think we can also all agree that if Adobe say that's a beta version,
+they are likely more knowledgeable than us about this too.
+
+Is the plugin supported by adobe ? Being still beta, I would say it is
+not for now.
+
+Some of us may have forgot, but they did withdraw the 64 bits version
+plugin in the past with any communication, because it was insecure and
+unsupported, and already a beta version.
+
+We can also agree that taking the same policy regarding backporting than
+at Mandriva will just yield the same result, ie saying &quot;it is not
+supported, so use it at your own risk&quot;.
+
+And so, if we want to send the message &quot;backports are supported&quot;, we
+should just act accordingly, and not send unsupported softwares to it.
+
+The plugin may work fine now on the machine of everybody, it would still
+be unsupported by adobe.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 02:45:04, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 01:17 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Some packages must be submitted only to tainted. Is there already a way
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; to prevent a wrong submit to the core section, when a package builds
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; without buildrequires in tainted ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; If yes, what is the way, and if not, shouldn't we define a standard way
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; to do that in the spec files ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We could add a requies to some dummy rpm that is present in tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; only.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But I think this problem would not occurs often. If someone push it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; without saying where to go, it should go to the proper repository.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And if someone push it to core, we should assume that he know what he
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; does. There is no way to push by error to core, as you would need to add
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; specific option ( iirc ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You mean that I can type &quot;mdvsys submit transcode&quot; and it will know that it
+</I>&gt;<i> must not go to core but to tainted ? Based on what information ?
+</I>
+Based on the fact the package is already in tainted, iirc.
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+It was the case in mandriva for contribs/main, so it should still work.
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 11:42 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 02:45:04, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 01:17 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Some packages must be submitted only to tainted. Is there already a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; way to prevent a wrong submit to the core section, when a package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; builds without buildrequires in tainted ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; If yes, what is the way, and if not, shouldn't we define a standard
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; way to do that in the spec files ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; We could add a requies to some dummy rpm that is present in tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; only.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; But I think this problem would not occurs often. If someone push it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; without saying where to go, it should go to the proper repository.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; And if someone push it to core, we should assume that he know what he
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; does. There is no way to push by error to core, as you would need to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; add specific option ( iirc ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You mean that I can type &quot;mdvsys submit transcode&quot; and it will know that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it must not go to core but to tainted ? Based on what information ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Based on the fact the package is already in tainted, iirc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was the case in mandriva for contribs/main, so it should still work.
+</I>
+Can I test ? And if the package lands into core, are you ready to delete it ?
+:<i>)
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> I think it wouldn't work for sub packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And before enabling this, we need to have a way to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmlint-mageia-policy in sync on valstar ( as the last time I restricted
+</I>&gt;<i> upload, people complained ).
+</I>Could we have at least a rpmlint configuration that we can run as
+packagers?
+I mean not necessary on build system, some more warnings or errors
+could prevent wrong uploads, at least the ones tested by using rpmlint
+first...
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 03:02:21, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Wasn't it against the policy ( ie, this is neither a bugfix, this is a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; version update, providing feature ) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Strictly speaking, maybe, but the policy says &quot;Things are not set in stone,
+</I>&gt;<i> but we need a policy to move ahead with releasing updates for mga1, and we can
+</I>&gt;<i> refine the process as we find issues/shortcomings.&quot;, and I think this is one of
+</I>&gt;<i> the cases where we can allow updates, to ease packager's work. We could add
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;updates of mageia distribution building tools are allowed to ensure that
+</I>&gt;<i> packagers using stable releases have the same tools than those using cauldron&quot;
+</I>
+Personally, I would prefer that we first refine the policy and then act
+rather than the contrary :)
+
+And so, if we provides newer version of tools, what is wrong with using
+backports for that ?
+
+I am not keen on pushing our newer tool on update, since we plan to have
+our server using mageia, and so in the futur, if we push newer iurt,
+mgarepo, rpmlint, they may potentially disrupt build system. So by being
+clear and using backports, we would avoid such problem more easily.
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+&gt;<i> I used the --with-man option of the %find_lang RPM macro, but noticed that it
+</I>&gt;<i> adds all /usr/share/man/XX and /usr/share/man/XX/manX directories to the
+</I>&gt;<i> package, which, it seems, is bad.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Spturtle noticed that for example /usr/share/man/sr belongs to no other
+</I>&gt;<i> package and prefers that it belongs to too much packages than to no package at
+</I>&gt;<i> all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I looked at what fedora does, and it looks like they added all those
+</I>&gt;<i> translated manpages dirs to the filesystem package ( see
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/sr">http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/sr</A> and select fedora )
+</I>&gt;<i> It would solve the problem at hand and we could start cleaning wrong
+</I>&gt;<i> ownerships, such as those :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/fr">http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/fr</A> (select mageia)
+</I>
+Filesystem sound the logical place to put everything.
+The real problem is to find the canonical list of supported languages.
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Quiet is good!
+</I>I will say more quiet isn't bad...
+
+&gt;<i> As long as all bugs and security issues are fixed,
+</I>&gt;<i> why make unnecessary noise?
+</I>Funny bugzilla query:
+ Status: NEW, ASSIGNED, REOPENED
+ Version: 1
+...
+354 bugs found.
+But i don't want to make noise :p
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+<PRE>Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 12:20:22, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 11:36 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 03:02:21, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Wasn't it against the policy ( ie, this is neither a bugfix, this is a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; version update, providing feature ) ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Strictly speaking, maybe, but the policy says &quot;Things are not set in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stone, but we need a policy to move ahead with releasing updates for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mga1, and we can refine the process as we find issues/shortcomings.&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and I think this is one of the cases where we can allow updates, to ease
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packager's work. We could add &quot;updates of mageia distribution building
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tools are allowed to ensure that packagers using stable releases have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the same tools than those using cauldron&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally, I would prefer that we first refine the policy and then act
+</I>&gt;<i> rather than the contrary :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Indeed :)
+
+&gt;<i> And so, if we provides newer version of tools, what is wrong with using
+</I>&gt;<i> backports for that ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not keen on pushing our newer tool on update, since we plan to have
+</I>&gt;<i> our server using mageia, and so in the futur, if we push newer iurt,
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo, rpmlint, they may potentially disrupt build system. So by being
+</I>&gt;<i> clear and using backports, we would avoid such problem more easily.
+</I>
+Except if you plan to use those newer version on the build system, in which
+case sending to updates_testing to have them well tested then pushed to
+updates would avoid having to install backports on the BS ?
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+<PRE>I think your words are wise, and you're right since we want to enhance
+backports credibility.
+But i also think that we could give that package at
+least in backports/testing maybe with a -beta suffix to halp those of whom
+don't want to download flashplayer from adobe site directly.... and that maybe
+to send another message to mga1 users (expecially 64 bits arch ones), like
+&quot;we can't support that, but we don't forget about you&quot; :)
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+
+making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2 instead of kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.
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+there should have been something like kernel-desktop-latest3 for a while, to let people test that 3.0 thing (rc, right? I know this is cauldron, but I'd still prefer a kernel that works) while still having a 2.6 kernel.
+
+this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311 doesn't work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a fully-fledged pita.
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+reverting to 2.6.38.8-5 brought back the joy (and the wireless internet).
+
+but I suppose there won't be any update to the 2.6.38.8 kernel, right? even for an unstable thing like cauldron this is rather wrong, because 3.0.0 is not a released kernel as of yet. and a working kernel is a precondition to a working distro.
+
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+forcing an rc-something as the current kernel is... unbenevolent dictatorship.
+
+yeah, I know, fedora rawhide and kubuntu 11.10 also have this 3.0.0-rc7-crap sort of thing. so you can't have the latest packages (including the latest kde) w/o having a broken kernel. sigh.
+
+but my message stands. tmb, I hate you for pushing this kernel as a forced update via kernel-desktop-latest.
+
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 07:47, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I
+</I>&gt;<i> have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a
+</I>&gt;<i> fully-fledged pita.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+My acer laptops are having a completely different experience with it, they
+just work (acer timelinex 4820, acer aspire one d450, acer travelmate T4100
+and acer travelmate C312XMi - yes, I have a nice acer collection with me
+:<i>)).
+</I>
+So at least for me, kernel 3.0 is a huge win!
+
+--
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+<PRE>Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 12:17 +0200, Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> In data sabato 16 luglio 2011 03:30:20, Michael Scherer ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think it wouldn't work for sub packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And before enabling this, we need to have a way to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rpmlint-mageia-policy in sync on valstar ( as the last time I restricted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; upload, people complained ).
+</I>&gt;<i> Could we have at least a rpmlint configuration that we can run as
+</I>&gt;<i> packagers?
+</I>&gt;<i> I mean not necessary on build system, some more warnings or errors
+</I>&gt;<i> could prevent wrong uploads, at least the ones tested by using rpmlint
+</I>&gt;<i> first...
+</I>
+See :
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110304/003013.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110304/003013.html</A>
+
+So urpmi rpmlint-mageia-policy should do the trick.
+
+The configuration deployed on the bs for now is the regular one of
+Mandriva, no specific stuff yet. I plan to fix that however, likely a
+youri plugin to deploy on upload.
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> My acer laptops are having a completely different experience with it, they just work
+</I>&gt;<i> (acer timelinex 4820, acer aspire one d450, acer travelmate T4100 and acer travelmate
+</I>
+&gt;<i> C312XMi - yes, I have a nice acer collection with me :)).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So at least for me, kernel 3.0 is a huge win!
+</I>
+
+Eugeni, you must be lucky.
+
+At least, you don't have a bcm4311, I suppose.
+
+
+You know, Ubuntu is has provided the hybrid Broadcom-STA for ages. (Pardus 2011.1 also has bcm4311 working out-of-the-box.)
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+Mageia just doesn't.
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+R-C aka beranger
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+<PRE>Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 12:16 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 12:12:15, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 11:42 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 02:45:04, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 01:17 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; You mean that I can type &quot;mdvsys submit transcode&quot; and it will know that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; it must not go to core but to tainted ? Based on what information ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Based on the fact the package is already in tainted, iirc.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It was the case in mandriva for contribs/main, so it should still work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can I test ? And if the package lands into core, are you ready to delete it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>
+Yep.
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> tmb, I hate you.
+</I>
+really clever and polite ...
+
+
+&gt;<i> making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.
+</I>
+your call, should have been &quot;i think ....&quot; would have been better
+
+
+&gt;<i> there should have been something like kernel-desktop-latest3 for a while, to
+</I>&gt;<i> let people test that 3.0 thing (rc, right? I know this is cauldron, but I'd
+</I>&gt;<i> still prefer a kernel that works) while still having a 2.6 kernel.
+</I>
+you still can use the kernel 2.6 which is installed on your machine,
+installing a newer kernel doesn't uninstall the previous one.
+
+
+&gt;<i> this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I
+</I>&gt;<i> have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I
+</I>&gt;<i> have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a
+</I>&gt;<i> fully-fledged pita.
+</I>&gt;<i> reverting to 2.6.38.8-5 brought back the joy (and the wireless internet).
+</I>&gt;<i> but I suppose there won't be any update to the 2.6.38.8 kernel, right? even
+</I>&gt;<i> for an unstable thing like cauldron this is rather wrong, because 3.0.0 is
+</I>&gt;<i> not a released kernel as of yet. and a working kernel is a precondition to a
+</I>&gt;<i> working distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> forcing an rc-something as the current kernel is... unbenevolent
+</I>&gt;<i> dictatorship.
+</I>
+your message is not that democratic too
+
+
+&gt;<i> yeah, I know, fedora rawhide and kubuntu 11.10 also have this 3.0.0-rc7-crap
+</I>&gt;<i> sort of thing. so you can't have the latest packages (including the latest
+</I>&gt;<i> kde) w/o having a broken kernel. sigh.
+</I>&gt;<i> but my message stands. tmb, I hate you for pushing this kernel as a forced
+</I>&gt;<i> update via kernel-desktop-latest.
+</I>
+for my part i still love tmb a lot for his awesome work
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 07:58, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; My acer laptops are having a completely different experience with it,
+</I>&gt;<i> they just work
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (acer timelinex 4820, acer aspire one d450, acer travelmate T4100 and
+</I>&gt;<i> acer travelmate
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; C312XMi - yes, I have a nice acer collection with me :)).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So at least for me, kernel 3.0 is a huge win!
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Eugeni, you must be lucky.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At least, you don't have a bcm4311, I suppose.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I have:
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+brcmsmac : Broadcom Corporation|BCM43225 802.11b/g/n [NETWORK_OTHER]
+(rev: 01)
+
+which is probably different then.
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+<PRE>In data sabato 16 luglio 2011 03:27:18, Michael Scherer ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> The goal of novice is not to add lots of packages to become packagers,
+</I>&gt;<i> but to demonstrate enough knowledge while maintaining them. So I would
+</I>&gt;<i> rather have a system that discourage adding lots of rpms. Ie, if there
+</I>&gt;<i> is a incentive to focus on existing rpms, I think we should use it.
+</I>Good point. But often who want to become a packager, does it
+to have at least his preferred ones on the system. That's good if he become a
+maintainer, because he uses them and at least we could hope they won't
+be broken.
+So why should avoid them to import new packages?
+I agree though to start working on bug reports and fixing existing ones, but
+that is ok now because there are no real maintainers, so we could work on that
+and this, but after....
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+&gt;<i> &gt; - bug reports would then be assigned to the mentor instead of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;novice,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which would perhaps give a bit more work towards mentor to notify his
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; novice about it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the novice disappear, then someone should take care of the packages,
+</I>&gt;<i> and it should be the mentor. This way, they will not accept random rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> thinking &quot;this is not my duty to take care&quot;.
+</I>How can we prevent that? even after the novice becomes official packager
+that could happen....
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+<PRE>On Sat, 16 Jul 2011, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote:
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+&gt;<i> making kernel-desktop-latest to point to
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2 instead of
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> there should have been something like kernel-desktop-latest3 for a
+</I>&gt;<i> while, to let people test that 3.0 thing (rc, right? I know this is
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron, but I'd still prefer a kernel that works) while still having a
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.6 kernel.
+</I>
+Please understand linux 3.0 is just a different name for 2.6.40, there's
+nothing special about it. So a kernel-desktop-latest3 doesn't make any
+sense.
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+ <B>Sandro Cazzaniga</B>
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+<PRE>I still love and congrats tmb too, for his hardwork!
+Sandro Cazzaniga
+
+-----Original Message-----
+From: &quot;D.Morgan&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Sender: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:07:26
+To: Mageia development mailing-list&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Reply-To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+
+On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> tmb, I hate you.
+</I>
+really clever and polite ...
+
+
+&gt;<i> making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.
+</I>
+your call, should have been &quot;i think ....&quot; would have been better
+
+
+&gt;<i> there should have been something like kernel-desktop-latest3 for a while, to
+</I>&gt;<i> let people test that 3.0 thing (rc, right? I know this is cauldron, but I'd
+</I>&gt;<i> still prefer a kernel that works) while still having a 2.6 kernel.
+</I>
+you still can use the kernel 2.6 which is installed on your machine,
+installing a newer kernel doesn't uninstall the previous one.
+
+
+&gt;<i> this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I
+</I>&gt;<i> have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I
+</I>&gt;<i> have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a
+</I>&gt;<i> fully-fledged pita.
+</I>&gt;<i> reverting to 2.6.38.8-5 brought back the joy (and the wireless internet).
+</I>&gt;<i> but I suppose there won't be any update to the 2.6.38.8 kernel, right? even
+</I>&gt;<i> for an unstable thing like cauldron this is rather wrong, because 3.0.0 is
+</I>&gt;<i> not a released kernel as of yet. and a working kernel is a precondition to a
+</I>&gt;<i> working distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> forcing an rc-something as the current kernel is... unbenevolent
+</I>&gt;<i> dictatorship.
+</I>
+your message is not that democratic too
+
+
+&gt;<i> yeah, I know, fedora rawhide and kubuntu 11.10 also have this 3.0.0-rc7-crap
+</I>&gt;<i> sort of thing. so you can't have the latest packages (including the latest
+</I>&gt;<i> kde) w/o having a broken kernel. sigh.
+</I>&gt;<i> but my message stands. tmb, I hate you for pushing this kernel as a forced
+</I>&gt;<i> update via kernel-desktop-latest.
+</I>
+for my part i still love tmb a lot for his awesome work
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+<PRE>Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 12:34 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 12:20:22, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am not keen on pushing our newer tool on update, since we plan to have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; our server using mageia, and so in the futur, if we push newer iurt,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo, rpmlint, they may potentially disrupt build system. So by being
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; clear and using backports, we would avoid such problem more easily.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Except if you plan to use those newer version on the build system, in which
+</I>&gt;<i> case sending to updates_testing to have them well tested then pushed to
+</I>&gt;<i> updates would avoid having to install backports on the BS ?
+</I>
+We already have backports on the BS, and we will likely not be able to
+avoid it. For example, transifex, while not being part of the BS per
+se, is backported from cooker/cauldron. And it is planned to upgrade it
+to next stable release, as asked by i18n team. There is no way that a
+new tx would be pushed as update, that's too disruptive.
+
+Moreover, I do not exclude the case that someone would deploy the same
+build system as us ( let's say a company that provides custom version of
+Mageia, a university that deploy custom build of software, whatever ),
+and would prefer to not follow our upgrade path.
+
+So I think the build system stuff should not have a exception for
+updates.
+
+Now, the problem arise also because mgarepo is used on both client side,
+and server side.
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+On client side, it could likely fall as &quot;needed to follow API changes&quot;,
+at least for this version ( like would tx-client, or wesnoth ), even if
+the problem is also the lack of web interface ( as this would avoid
+requiring a new command line client ).
+
+But on server side, the update reason doesn't apply.
+
+So having a separate binary ( and/or tarball, while on it ) for the
+server part, and make sure this one do not change much would be cleaner,
+IMHO.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+</I>&gt;<i> for my part i still love tmb a lot for his awesome work
+</I>+1
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+R-C, please behave.. this is cauldron, it breaks stuff and we almost want it (at least
+sometimes :)). If you don't like the way it is, please don't use it!
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+<PRE>Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 13:03:43, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 12:16 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 12:12:15, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 11:42 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 02:45:04, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 01:17 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; You mean that I can type &quot;mdvsys submit transcode&quot; and it will know
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; that it must not go to core but to tainted ? Based on what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; information ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Based on the fact the package is already in tainted, iirc.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; It was the case in mandriva for contribs/main, so it should still work.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Can I test ? And if the package lands into core, are you ready to delete
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep.
+</I>
+The package went to tainted :)
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+<PRE>2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I
+</I>&gt;<i> have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a
+</I>&gt;<i> fully-fledged pita.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Where are the detailed error messages?
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+Everything else doesn't help.
+
+Your posting is something for sysout class = Z
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> tmb, I hate you.
+</I>&gt;<i> making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i> there should have been something like kernel-desktop-latest3 for a while, to
+</I>&gt;<i> let people test that 3.0 thing (rc, right? I know this is cauldron, but I'd
+</I>&gt;<i> still prefer a kernel that works) while still having a 2.6 kernel.
+</I>
+For your information the final kernel 3.0 is planned in some days so
+we have nearly the final one
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+ <B>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20kernel%203.0%20is%20a%20big%20mistake%20in%20cauldron&In-Reply-To=%3C1310815767.58771.YahooMailNeo%40web161713.mail.bf1.yahoo.com%3E"
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+ <I>Sat Jul 16 13:29:27 CEST 2011</I>
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+&gt;<i> you still can use the kernel 2.6 which is installed on your machine,
+</I>&gt;<i> installing a newer kernel doesn't uninstall the previous one.
+</I>
+yes, I can, but only because I've edited menu.lst _manually_.
+the new kernel added 2 grub entries, at the end, both pointing to the 3.0.0 kernel.
+and the default one (first one) also booted the 3.0.0 kernel.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> forcing an rc-something as the current kernel is... unbenevolent
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dictatorship.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> your message is not that democratic too
+</I>
+it is. normally, when an update pushes a totally new kernel, it should make sure GRUB still has an entry with the previous kernel.
+no, not &quot;failsafe&quot; with the latest kernel, but just the previous working kernel.
+
+with either of Mageia 1 and Mageia Cauldron, I could _never_ get an updated kernel to _properly_ update GRUB's menu.list.
+I suppose it's rocket science. It's like GRUB was release yesterday and nobody knows how to deal with it.
+&#160;
+
+&gt;<i> for my part i still love tmb a lot for his awesome work.
+</I>
+for the past, yes.
+for pushing 3.0.0 as a forced update to 2.6.38... this is just a bad decision!
+
+you all squeak and tweak over pushing or not pushing Adobe Flash 11 Beta1 x86_64 into Cauldron, because it's beta.
+heck, it's just a bloody plugin!
+but when comes to such a crucial thing as the kernel... forcing rc7over a working kernel is always good, because it's signed by Linus, and because tmb has pushed the mga patches.
+
+well, I beg to strongly disagree.
+
+r-c aka beranger
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 16 July 2011 03:02, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 &#224; 12:11 +0200, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 00:30:41, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; $ mgarepo maintdb --help
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Usage:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &#160; &#160; Take maintainership of one package :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &#160; &#160; Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &#160; &#160; See who is maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &#160; &#160; See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;mgarepo maintdb get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I used in in Mageia 1 using the package in updates_testing and it works well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok, it's moved to updates now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wasn't it against the policy ( ie, this is neither a bugfix, this is a
+</I>&gt;<i> version update, providing feature ) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That is a bug fix; is there any other way a Mageia packager running
+mga1 can set/unset himself as a maintainer of a package in the
+official Mageia repos?
+
+That is not a &quot;feature&quot;, that's a &quot;basic requirement&quot; in repository
+access and management tool for a distro, that was missing and is now
+available, that warrants an official update, IMHO...
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Please understand linux 3.0 is just a different name for 2.6.40, there's
+</I>&gt;<i> nothing special about it. So a kernel-desktop-latest3 doesn't make any
+</I>&gt;<i> sense.
+</I>
+ok, then how about
+kernel-desktop-latest-unstable
+kernel-desktop-latest-rc
+kernel-desktop-latest-beta
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+because it's not a properly tested kernel.
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+and it's not 2.6.40 yet, it's a prerelease.
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+<PRE>&#22312; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:29:27 +0800, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you still can use the kernel 2.6 which is installed on your machine,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installing a newer kernel doesn't uninstall the previous one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yes, I can, but only because I've edited menu.lst _manually_.
+</I>&gt;<i> the new kernel added 2 grub entries, at the end, both pointing to the
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.0.0 kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i> and the default one (first one) also booted the 3.0.0 kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>In drakboot, you can setup the default pointing to 2.6.38 kernel...
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> for my part i still love tmb a lot for his awesome work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for the past, yes.
+</I>&gt;<i> for pushing 3.0.0 as a forced update to 2.6.38... this is just a bad
+</I>&gt;<i> decision!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you all squeak and tweak over pushing or not pushing Adobe Flash 11
+</I>&gt;<i> Beta1 x86_64 into Cauldron, because it's beta.
+</I>&gt;<i> heck, it's just a bloody plugin!
+</I>&gt;<i> but when comes to such a crucial thing as the kernel... forcing rc7over
+</I>&gt;<i> a working kernel is always good, because it's signed by Linus, and
+</I>&gt;<i> because tmb has pushed the mga patches.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> well, I beg to strongly disagree.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>A big difference is that kernel needs more test, but flash plugin can
+
+still use 32-bits to work. It's in cauldron so we can do more test and
+
+maybe report to upstream/make our own changes. You can't stop at 2.6.38
+
+for long, the development of kernel would continue, and more testing
+
+would do good to us and other user in other distro.
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+&gt;<i> yes, I can, but only because I've edited menu.lst _manually_.
+</I>&gt;<i> the new kernel added 2 grub entries, at the end, both pointing to the 3.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i> and the default one (first one) also booted the 3.0.0 kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>On my machine there isnt't this problem.
+The last entry in the menu.lst points to 2.6.38.8-desktop-4
+all automatically, without editing.
+
+so grub works normally.
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+<PRE>Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 04:29 -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> you all squeak and tweak over pushing or not pushing Adobe Flash 11 Beta1 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> into Cauldron, because it's beta.
+</I>&gt;<i> heck, it's just a bloody plugin!
+</I>
+The mail is about pushing flash to stable, not cauldron.
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+<PRE>Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 04:31 -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please understand linux 3.0 is just a different name for 2.6.40, there's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; nothing special about it. So a kernel-desktop-latest3 doesn't make any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sense.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ok, then how about
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-desktop-latest-unstable
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-desktop-latest-rc
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-desktop-latest-beta
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> because it's not a properly tested kernel.
+</I>
+Yes, and we could even have a whole distribution dedicated to have
+packages to be tested.
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 04:31 -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Please understand linux 3.0 is just a different name for 2.6.40, there's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; nothing special about it. So a kernel-desktop-latest3 doesn't make any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; sense.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ok, then how about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kernel-desktop-latest-unstable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kernel-desktop-latest-rc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kernel-desktop-latest-beta
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because it's not a properly tested kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, and we could even have a whole distribution dedicated to have
+</I>&gt;<i> packages to be tested.
+</I>
+ and could we call it cauldron ? :)
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+<PRE>16.07.2011 14:31, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> ok, then how about
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-desktop-latest-unstable
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-desktop-latest-rc
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-desktop-latest-beta
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>But why not kernel-desktop-latest-unstable-beta and kernel-desktop-latest-unstable-rc, etc..
+as well?
+
+I think buildsystem would love it (one kernel submission would take a day) :)
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+It's cauldron, face it &amp;&amp; deal with it!
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+<PRE>&gt;<i>On my machine there isnt't this problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>The last entry in the menu.lst points to 2.6.38.8-desktop-4
+</I>&gt;<i>all automatically, without editing.
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160;
+</I>&gt;<i>so grub works normally.
+</I>
+
+no, it does not. it never did. the testing scenarios have always been insufficient.
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+I needed to add an entry to menu.lst to chain to a different menu.lst from another partition (this GRUB dual-boots Mageia Cauldron 32-bit with Windows XP, and the chained GRUB boots Mageia Cauldron 64-bit).
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+Once you manually touch menu.lst, it's never going to be properly updated afterwards.
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+such is life, I suppose -- buggy.
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+r-c aka beranger
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+<PRE>2011/7/16 D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, and we could even have a whole distribution dedicated to have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages to be tested.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;and could we call it cauldron ? :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That's a great idea! :D
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+And by the way, this thread has one good point. I have one person
+less, I'm gonna listen to, because some things just disqualify
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+<PRE>On 16 July 2011 11:11, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 15.07.2011 11:10, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but seems to work well, some questions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> improvement, IMHO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - For Cauldron:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; o Just x86_64 and keep the 32bit stable flash for now
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; o Keep the 32bit stable and create another spec (Name:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> flash-player-pluing11) for 11 beta1? this way 32bit users will have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> choice to install the version they want.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd provide it as 'flash-player-plugin11' or 'flash-player-plugin-beta'
+</I>&gt;<i> for both cauldron and mga1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I had started working on flash-player-plugin11 yesterday (based on the
+current spec and the old PLF flash-player10.2).
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>&#22312; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:55:11 +0800, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> On my machine there isnt't this problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The last entry in the menu.lst points to 2.6.38.8-desktop-4
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all automatically, without editing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so grub works normally.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> no, it does not. it never did. the testing scenarios have always been
+</I>&gt;<i> insufficient.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I needed to add an entry to menu.lst to chain to a different menu.lst
+</I>&gt;<i> from another partition (this GRUB dual-boots Mageia Cauldron 32-bit with
+</I>&gt;<i> Windows XP, and the chained GRUB boots Mageia Cauldron 64-bit).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once you manually touch menu.lst, it's never going to be properly
+</I>&gt;<i> updated afterwards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> such is life, I suppose -- buggy.
+</I>If so, then please report it out and tell others what your menu.lst
+
+looks like...Keep complaining won't change the fact that &quot;it's buggy&quot;.
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%20pymecavideo-5.4-1.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3C201107161409.29691.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"
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+<PRE>Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 13:18:14, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Name : pymecavideo Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 5.4 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Sat Jul 16 13:17:25
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Sciences/Physics Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 2850208 License: GPLv3
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://outilsphysiques.tuxfamily.org/pmwiki.php/Oppl/Pymecavideo">http://outilsphysiques.tuxfamily.org/pmwiki.php/Oppl/Pymecavideo</A> Summary
+</I>&gt;<i> : Pymecavideo permet de tracer les trajectoires d?crites par un ou
+</I>&gt;<i> plusieurs points d'un objet en utilisant une video Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> pymecavideo permet de tracer point par point la trajectoire de point ainsi
+</I>&gt;<i> que choisir un r?f?rentiel particulier pour ?tudier la trajectoire dans
+</I>&gt;<i> celui-ci. Les donn?es ainsi recueillies peuvent ?tre export?es dans un
+</I>&gt;<i> logiciel de traitement.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ofaurax &lt;ofaurax&gt; 5.4-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 124735
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package pymecavideo
+</I>
+Shouldn't the summary be in english ?
+
+Samuel
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+&gt;<i> R-C, please behave.. this is cauldron, it breaks stuff and we almost want it
+</I>&gt;<i> (at least sometimes :)). If you don't like the way it is, please don't use it!
+</I>
+
+Sander,
+
+As long as Linux distros are such idiotically designed that one can _not_ have the latest packages for the applications I need, and this also includes the latest KDE in a _stable_ distro (unless you're using something like some PPA in Ubuntu, or maybe you're luck enough to have backports in your preferred distro, or maybe you're using openSUSE and one of the gazillions extra repos has what you want), I _have_ to use cauldron/cooker/rawhide/unstable!
+
+This is not the place for a flamewar but, as I am using Linux since 1995, over all this time, this is one thing I keep saying:
+
+&quot;THE ONE AND ONLY THING properly designed in Windows is that you can use (almost) ANY version of ANY application w/o breaking the system and w/o upgrading the system!&quot;
+
+In all the Linux distros, once the official repos have upgraded an application, you're normally supposed to use it, because downgrading is:
+(1) difficult;
+(2) discouraged.
+
+Sticking to a _stable_ release of any Linux distro for its supported lifetime or until the next stable release is out means that, for most of the time. you'll be using OLDER versions of many applications -- whereas, should those applications be cross-platform (e.g. VLC, LibreOffice, Calibre, etc. etc.), any Windows user is able to use ANY desired version of these applications W/O BREAKING THE WHOLE SYSTEM!
+
+Not to mention that whoever still complains about the &quot;DLL Hell&quot; in Windows has probably never really used Linux enough. I can see
+(1) broken dependencies;
+(2) breakages;
+(3) packages that need to be rebuilt because some library has been upgraded and the API or the ABI has changed;
+(4) libraries that need to be upgraded because the stupid developer of some application (package) can't release any update w/o requiring the latest and greatest version of some lib;
+...all these, not in cauldron/cooker/rawhide/unstable, but even in stable distros too!
+
+Because, postulate 2, &quot;whereas different versions of system DLLs can coexist in a given Windows release, this is typically impossible in Linux, BY DESIGN&quot; (and this is not about GTK+1 coexisting with GTK+2, nor about KDE3 compatibility libs in KDE4, and also not about installing in /opt or other tricks).
+
+By design, Linux has inherited a lot of decisions made decades ago in Unix, decisions that are not appropriate for today's desktop users, but we have to live with that.
+
+To end this flamewar: when I decide to use a cauldron/cooker/rawhide/unstable system, I expect I will need to fix some breakages, but at least
+(1) let me have a proper choice of kernels in GRUB, including the previous one;
+(2) don't force UNRELEASED kernels on me!
+
+Breaking a package is one thing, breaking the kernel is a totally different one.
+
+Postulate #3: &quot;In Windows, adding support for some new hardware means you just have to bring a new driver. In Linux, it requires a new kernel -- which typically means breakages, regressions, the need to rebuild a lot, and so on.&quot;
+
+Most of you are very skilled Linux developers and packages, and some of you have also been Windows developers at some point. I'm puzzled that you're unable to see the flaws in Linux -- not that you would be able to do anything. As Linux is not a centralized project (except for Linus' dictatorship over the kernel), major redesign is impossible.
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+But still, unstable is unstable, and pushing a kernel update like that...
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+And no, I won't investigate anything, I'll not file any report on what it's not working with this kernel and my hardware. As a sign of protest over the way the kernel policies are with Cauldron, I'll use 2.6.38.8 for as long as it's possible, leaving to other guinea pigs the task to blame, complain, report, fix.
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+Regressions in kernels are the thing I hate the most in this world. I've experienced kernel regressions in the past every 6 months with each and every Ubuntu release -- and those were kernels supposed to be tested well-enough.
+
+What I like in Linux is never the kernel. Never ever. It's monolithic, impossible to be properly tested, and managed by a stupid fat arrogant guy called Linus. The only kernels I loved were 1.2.13 and1.3.18. After that, the kernel was just a nuisance -- like the government, the taxes, the Microsoft tax, etc.
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+<PRE>In data sabato 16 luglio 2011 13:56:38, Oliver Burger ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/16 D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Yes, and we could even have a whole distribution dedicated to have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; packages to be tested.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and could we call it cauldron ? :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's a great idea! :D
+</I>
+I think I'm going to work on that, i like it :D
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+&gt;<i> On 16 July 2011 11:11, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 15.07.2011 11:10, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but seems to work well, some questions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> improvement, IMHO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - For Cauldron:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; o Just x86_64 and keep the 32bit stable flash for now
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; o Keep the 32bit stable and create another spec (Name:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> flash-player-pluing11) for 11 beta1? this way 32bit users will have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> choice to install the version they want.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd provide it as 'flash-player-plugin11' or 'flash-player-plugin-beta'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for both cauldron and mga1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I had started working on flash-player-plugin11 yesterday (based on the
+</I>&gt;<i> current spec and the old PLF flash-player10.2).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I've imported it in Cauldron.
+
+@Anssi (since you worked on the flash spec the most), please review,
+feel free to fix anything I missed.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>16.07.2011 15:11, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU kirjutas:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> R-C, please behave.. this is cauldron, it breaks stuff and we almost want it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (at least sometimes :)). If you don't like the way it is, please don't use it!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [didn't read it all - don't have that much time]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> R-C aka beranger
+</I>I have to say.. for the last 10+ years you have used OS that's not for you and that you
+don't understand. Sorry for you, maybe Mr. Jobs can help you out?
+
+(Sorry for feeding trolls, my last time ;))
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+<PRE>Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 05:11 -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; R-C, please behave.. this is cauldron, it breaks stuff and we almost want it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (at least sometimes :)). If you don't like the way it is, please don't use it!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As long as Linux distros are such idiotically designed that one can _not_ have the latest packages for the applications I need, and this also includes the latest KDE in a _stable_ distro (unless you're using something like some PPA in Ubuntu, or maybe you're luck enough to have backports in your preferred distro, or maybe you're using openSUSE and one of the gazillions extra repos has what you want), I _have_ to use cauldron/cooker/rawhide/unstable!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is not the place for a flamewar but, as I am using Linux since 1995, over all this time, this is one thing I keep saying:
+</I>
+As you say, this is not the place for flamewar or anything.
+
+if you continue to insult people ( &quot;fat stupid&quot; and &quot;idiotically&quot;, plus
+the repeated flaming on the list ), I will just have no choice but to
+request to block you.
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+Michael Scherer
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+ <B>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU</B>
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+&gt;<i> if you continue to insult people ( &quot;fat stupid&quot; and
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;idiotically&quot;, plus the repeated flaming on the list ),
+</I>&gt;<i> I will just have no choice but to
+</I>&gt;<i> request to block you.
+</I>
+misc, do whatever you want.
+I can see that iossif vissarionovich torvalds has pro bono attorneys.
+that's cool as for the critical spirit.
+also, using words such as &quot;flaming&quot; should be reserved to teenagers, not to serious people.
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+farewell,
+r-c aka beranger
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+&gt;&gt;<i> [didn't read it all - don't have that much time]
+</I>
+that's very considerate. at least, you were able to write the above line.
+
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+&gt;<i> I have to say.. for the last 10+ years you have used OS that's not for you
+</I>&gt;<i> and that you don't understand. Sorry for you, maybe Mr. Jobs can help you out?
+</I>
+I'd rather die than to pay a dime to Steve Jobs. I hate Apple more than I hate Microsoft.
+
+&#160;
+&gt;<i> (Sorry for feeding trolls, my last time ;))
+</I>
+Last time indeed.
+
+BTW, Sander, using words such as &quot;trolls&quot; should be reserved to teenagers, not to serious people.
+
+When a Linux developer writes/speaks about &quot;trolling&quot;, he only looks like mentally immature and a fanboy.
+
+Serious people are not fanboys of anything.
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+farewell,
+r-c aka beranger
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+&gt;<i> misc, do whatever you want.
+</I>&gt;<i> I can see that iossif vissarionovich torvalds has pro bono attorneys.
+</I>&gt;<i> that's cool as for the critical spirit.
+</I>&gt;<i> also, using words such as &quot;flaming&quot; should be reserved to teenagers, not to
+</I>&gt;<i> serious people.
+</I>While flamewar is not
+&gt;<i> This is not the place for a flamewar but, as I am using Linux since 1995,
+</I>&gt;<i> over all this time, this is one thing I keep saying:
+</I>and
+&gt;<i> To end this flamewar: when I decide to use a
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/cooker/rawhide/unstable system, I expect I will need to fix some
+</I>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> &quot;THE ONE AND ONLY THING properly designed in Windows is that you can use
+</I>&gt;<i> (almost) ANY version of ANY application w/o breaking the system and w/o
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrading the system!&quot;
+</I>*Almost* as you said. Also windows changed and sometimes changes
+between a sp to another, sometimes (often) some applications
+just stop working.
+And yes you can take the old one. But it's not always easy.
+It depends on the good will of developers, not all the not open source
+projects leave old packages to download...
+And yes, you've probably been right, it's *very* *easy* to downgrade a
+W. service pack...
+
+&gt;<i> In all the Linux distros, once the official repos have upgraded an
+</I>&gt;<i> application, you're normally supposed to use it, because downgrading is:
+</I>&gt;<i> (1) difficult;
+</I>For those who do not want to learn yes. For those who are just users yes.
+The first kind cannot complain, the second one yes. But some distros
+add some package that allows to install new programs locally
+(one of those was called autopackage, now forked... i tested once,
+worked but *I* did not need such a feature).
+&gt;<i> (2) discouraged.
+</I>Why? locally you can always do what you want. I remember a friend that
+installed a RH, but after that he installed all the programs he needs
+by using configure make make install... it was not a red hat anymore
+but it started like it was. He had what he needed and worked how he liked to.
+
+&gt;<i> Because, postulate 2, &quot;whereas different versions of system DLLs can
+</I>&gt;<i> coexist in a given Windows release, this is typically impossible in Linux,
+</I>&gt;<i> BY DESIGN&quot; (and this is not about GTK+1 coexisting with GTK+2, nor about
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE3 compatibility libs in KDE4, and also not about installing in /opt or
+</I>&gt;<i> other tricks).
+</I>different dlls can lay on the system only if the are different. e.g name version
+etc, the same it's for .so files. So the problem is not on the system but on
+the developers, if they break abi and don't change the so version according
+and the packager does not see that, then yes they can't co-exists.
+
+&gt;<i> Breaking a package is one thing, breaking the kernel is a totally different
+</I>&gt;<i> one.
+</I>Why don't you ask that to those people that run to buy windows vista after
+an update of a famous anti-virus in XP, because they cannot use their system
+any more?
+
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+<PRE>I just updated my system and am now running kernel-3.0...
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+Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely
+not. Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message.
+can anyone confirm?
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+If yes, I'd post a bug report (against what?), Which outputs,
+information would be needed?
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+<PRE>&#22312; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:03:50 +0800, Oliver Burger
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i> I just updated my system and am now running kernel-3.0...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely
+</I>&gt;<i> not. Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message.
+</I>&gt;<i> can anyone confirm?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If yes, I'd post a bug report (against what?), Which outputs,
+</I>&gt;<i> information would be needed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Confirm for a long time...Even before kernel-3.0, my drakconnect is broken.
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2152">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2152</A>
+
+This is the bug report I opened. It seems something is wrong with
+ldetect...
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+<PRE>In data sabato 16 luglio 2011 15:03:50, Oliver Burger ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> I just updated my system and am now running kernel-3.0...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely
+</I>&gt;<i> not. Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message.
+</I>&gt;<i> can anyone confirm?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If yes, I'd post a bug report (against what?), Which outputs,
+</I>&gt;<i> information would be needed?
+</I>Confirm that, after updating, my virtual box VM is affected.
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 09:11, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> To end this flamewar: when I decide to use a
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/cooker/rawhide/unstable system, I expect I will need to fix some
+</I>&gt;<i> breakages, but at least
+</I>&gt;<i> (1) let me have a proper choice of kernels in GRUB, including the previous
+</I>&gt;<i> one;
+</I>&gt;<i> (2) don't force UNRELEASED kernels on me!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This thread was certainly amused and very fruitful for at least my fortunes
+file, but may I suggest you to start using some other distribution or
+operating system which better satisfies your needs, and leave us, poor
+mortals, with Mandriva/Mageia stable/cooker/cauldron gnu/linux solutions -
+which work the way we love? :)
+
+They are imperfect, they have unreleased versions all the time, they have
+breakages, upgrades, updates, flaws, problems, design issues, and so on -
+but this is fine for us!
+
+
+&gt;<i> Breaking a package is one thing, breaking the kernel is a totally different
+</I>&gt;<i> one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And breaking a window is totally different as well, I agree :(. As well as
+breaking a leg for example, and breaking habits. And let us not forget that
+it is completely and if I might say, even oppository - to breaking a home
+run (all via <A HREF="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/break">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/break</A>)!
+
+
+&gt;<i> And no, I won't investigate anything, I'll not file any report on what it's
+</I>&gt;<i> not working with this kernel and my hardware.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yep, I have already realized this, but thanks to confirming nonetheless :).
+
+
+&gt;<i> Regressions in kernels are the thing I hate the most in this world.
+</I>
+
+Yes, this is certainly one of the cruelest and merciless things in the
+world, I must agree.. :(
+
+
+&gt;<i> I've experienced kernel regressions in the past every 6 months with each
+</I>&gt;<i> and every Ubuntu release -- and those were kernels supposed to be tested
+</I>&gt;<i> well-enough.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Apparently they weren't. Let me apologize on behalf of Ubuntu developers and
+Linus Torvalds himself for not being proactive enough to make kernels work
+on your hardware, I believe that they will be really ashamed of themselves
+at the moment they'll read this. Sorry :(.
+
+
+&gt;<i> What I like in Linux is never the kernel.
+</I>
+
+This seems to be apparently contradictory to some other phrases, but I have
+to agree - I like never kernel, for example, the 3.0 seems to be great (for
+me!)
+
+
+&gt;<i> Never ever.
+</I>
+
+World is soooo busy those days...
+
+
+&gt;<i> It's monolithic, impossible to be properly tested, and managed by a stupid
+</I>&gt;<i> fat arrogant guy called Linus.
+</I>
+
+Yep, I agree, he will be even more ashamed of himself after reading this...
+:<i>(
+</I>
+The only kernels I loved were 1.2.13 and1.3.18.
+
+
+2.2.16 was pretty cool, and 2.4.1 with reiserfs was nice too, but yes, those
+new shiny trending things - even being a bit cool - are still among the most
+hated things, this is so very true :(. I have to confess that they must
+learn a thing or two from DOS - almost 30 years without a remote hole in
+default install, and working as stable and fast as possible since their
+first release!
+
+
+&gt;<i> After that, the kernel was just a nuisance -- like the government, the
+</I>&gt;<i> taxes, the Microsoft tax, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yep, I agree with you, the governments, taxes, Microsoft and its tax are
+almost as bad as kernel regressions (mentioned above), but they are still
+are a far cry from those!
+
+But once again, let me apologize for the Linux community, Free Software
+developers, Linus Torvalds himself and - of course - mr. Richard Matthew
+Stallman for not being proactive enough in their efforts to make GNU/Linux
+working on your computer in most flawless and perfect way. I believe they
+feel really achamed now and as a sign of my support for their cause, and due
+to my involvement in the open source community, I will mourn those tragic
+events today with a minute of silence on this mailing list (starting now).
+
+--
+Eugeni Dodonov
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+ <I>Sat Jul 16 15:42:54 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>On 07/16/2011 07:29 AM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> you still can use the kernel 2.6 which is installed on your machine,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installing a newer kernel doesn't uninstall the previous one.
+</I>&gt;<i> yes, I can, but only because I've edited menu.lst _manually_.
+</I>&gt;<i> the new kernel added 2 grub entries, at the end, both pointing to the 3.0.0 kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i> and the default one (first one) also booted the 3.0.0 kernel.
+</I>Every previous kernel I've installed (all of them) updates menu.lst with
+an entry for the previous kernel. Granted, it's not the default, but if
+you're hanging out here you ought to be able to handle that :) If it's
+as you describe, then it's a packaging bug that breaks with previous
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+ <B>magnus</B>
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+Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> not.
+</I>
+I cannot confirm, I'm offline
+ Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message.
+
+&gt;<i> can anyone confirm?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> confirm
+</I>
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+<PRE>Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 14:31 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 16 July 2011 03:02, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 &#224; 12:11 +0200, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 00:30:41, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; $ mgarepo maintdb --help
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Usage:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Take maintainership of one package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; See who is maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; mgarepo maintdb get
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; I used in in Mageia 1 using the package in updates_testing and it works well.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Ok, it's moved to updates now.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Wasn't it against the policy ( ie, this is neither a bugfix, this is a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; version update, providing feature ) ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That is a bug fix; is there any other way a Mageia packager running
+</I>&gt;<i> mga1 can set/unset himself as a maintainer of a package in the
+</I>&gt;<i> official Mageia repos?
+</I>
+Yes :
+- using cauldron in a vm, a chroot
+- backporting by himself the package
+
+Packagers convenience do not seems a reason to bypass our policies.
+
+&gt;<i> That is not a &quot;feature&quot;, that's a &quot;basic requirement&quot; in repository
+</I>&gt;<i> access and management tool for a distro, that was missing and is now
+</I>&gt;<i> available, that warrants an official update, IMHO...
+</I>
+Everybody has a different vision of what is a basic requirement, and the
+problem with such reasoning is that we first start to say &quot;this is not a
+new feature&quot;, and then, someone say &quot;I need to have this in stable and
+like $FOO, I think that's a basic requirement, so we should
+backport/upgrade&quot;.
+
+All packagers should have a cauldron installed somewhere, or that mean
+they cannot test any packages or try to reproduce any bugs on it ( ie,
+do the job of a package maintainer ).
+
+And so if they do not have, I do not think we should encourage them to
+do so.
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+&gt;<i> People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least
+</I>&gt;<i> ), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in
+</I>&gt;<i> the last minute. Rtp was not really fond of systemd on arm and embedded
+</I>&gt;<i> system either.
+</I>
+Do you have more details about the issues on arm/embedded?
+How could it be worse than forking our dozens of shell scripts?
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eugeni at dodonov.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux 2.19+
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; planned?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> not yet because nobody proposed or had time, but if you want this is
+</I>&gt;<i> i think the perfect time
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Cool, I can help with that!
+
+What would be the best solution - import a new util-linux package, with
+Obsoletes/Provides for util-linux-ng; or rename util-linux-ng in svn to
+util-linux and update the spec?
+
+--
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eugeni at dodonov.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 05:33, D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eugeni at dodonov.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 2.19+
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; planned?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not yet because nobody proposed or had time, but if you want &#160;this is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i think the perfect time
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cool, I can help with that!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What would be the best solution - import a new util-linux package, with
+</I>&gt;<i> Obsoletes/Provides for util-linux-ng; or rename util-linux-ng in svn to
+</I>&gt;<i> util-linux and update the spec?
+</I>
+i would prefer a rename, that way we keep the history in the SVN
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eugeni at dodonov.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 05:33, D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eugeni at dodonov.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; 2.19+
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; planned?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; not yet because nobody proposed or had time, but if you want this is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i think the perfect time
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cool, I can help with that!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What would be the best solution - import a new util-linux package, with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Obsoletes/Provides for util-linux-ng; or rename util-linux-ng in svn to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; util-linux and update the spec?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i would prefer a rename, that way we keep the history in the SVN
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new
+package, mostly for 1 reason:
+ - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for
+mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn)
+
+Also, I've disabled the loopAES patch which is hopelessly outdated and
+broken and only gets updated sometimes over past years. I think there are
+much better solutions now, and actually I think that we could drop it - but
+I did not wanted to take this decision without additional discussion.
+
+If we should keep it, it can be updated after a reasonable amount of work,
+but it will get broken again with a new util-linux release over and over
+again. So I'd vote for dropping it.
+
+But besides that, util-linux 2.19.1 is there now, I'll try importing it
+today (but with 3g connections it is hard to make promises)..
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+&gt;<i> On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new
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+</I>&gt;<i> - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn)
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+<PRE>2011/7/16 magnus &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">magnus.mud at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
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+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/7/16 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I cannot confirm, I'm offline
+</I>
+LOL!
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+&gt;<i> &#160;Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can anyone confirm?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> confirm
+</I>
+Confirmed here as well. But it must be related to kernel change.
+Booting with previous kernel = wifi works, booting with new kernel =
+wifi does not work
+(The chip is recognized and I see the available access points but no
+connection possible)
+See also <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=782">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=782</A>
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+experiencing this:
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+Afte upgrading a guest system from mandriva 2010.2 or older to cooker or
+Mageia, the system becomes very unresponsive after a random period or time (
+just after boot up to 3 hours).
+Upgrading the virtualbox on the host to 4.0.10 solved this problem. I haven't
+been seen it anymore for two days.
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+&gt;<i> Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eugeni at dodonov.net</A>&gt; writes:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; package, mostly for 1 reason:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why that? It will still be available in the /updates/1/ SVN branch
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hmm perhaps you are right and I am over-thinking this.
+
+In any case, it is in svn now.
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+&gt;<i> Confirmed here as well. But it must be related to kernel change.
+</I>&gt;<i> Booting with previous kernel = wifi works, booting with new kernel =
+</I>&gt;<i> wifi does not work
+</I>&gt;<i> (The chip is recognized and I see the available access points but no
+</I>&gt;<i> connection possible)
+</I>&gt;<i> See also <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=782">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=782</A>
+</I>
+I just tried it. After rebooting into Kernel-2.6.38.8 the applet is
+showing the status correct as online. Everything works.
+
+After rebooting into kernel-3.0.0 gain, the applet shows the status as
+inactive, but wlan works. Since someone mentioned something about
+suspend, I tried that as well. After resume, there is no change here.
+The applet shows inactive, but the wlan works.
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+Oliver
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+<PRE>2011/7/16 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/16 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Confirmed here as well. But it must be related to kernel change.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Booting with previous kernel = wifi works, booting with new kernel =
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wifi does not work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (The chip is recognized and I see the available access points but no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> connection possible)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> See also <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=782">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=782</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just tried it. After rebooting into Kernel-2.6.38.8 the applet is
+</I>&gt;<i> showing the status correct as online. Everything works.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After rebooting into kernel-3.0.0 gain, the applet shows the status as
+</I>&gt;<i> inactive, but wlan works. Since someone mentioned something about
+</I>&gt;<i> suspend, I tried that as well. After resume, there is no change here.
+</I>&gt;<i> The applet shows inactive, but the wlan works.
+</I>
+Wow! I would not think of this! I did not try because the system tells
+me that wifi does not work - one must either have a very sick mind or
+be a Linux user to test it anyway! :)
+
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/16 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/7/16 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Confirmed here as well. But it must be related to kernel change.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Booting with previous kernel = wifi works, booting with new kernel =
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wifi does not work
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (The chip is recognized and I see the available access points but no
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> connection possible)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> See also <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=782">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=782</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just tried it. After rebooting into Kernel-2.6.38.8 the applet is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> showing the status correct as online. Everything works.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After rebooting into kernel-3.0.0 gain, the applet shows the status as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> inactive, but wlan works. Since someone mentioned something about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suspend, I tried that as well. After resume, there is no change here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The applet shows inactive, but the wlan works.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wow! I would not think of this! I did not try because the system tells
+</I>&gt;<i> me that wifi does not work - one must either have a very sick mind or
+</I>&gt;<i> be a Linux user to test it anyway! :)
+</I>Your decision :D
+
+
+To be honest, I wouldn't have tried as well, but I had pidgin opened
+and somebody began to chat with me although the applet showed me, I'm
+offline...
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+So I checked with ifconfig, after he convinced me, he was not some
+ghost on my motherboard ;-)
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+So at least here it's only a problem with the applet, not with the wlan itself.
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+Oliver
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+gimble:
+&gt;<i> tmb, I hate you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> making kernel-desktop-latest to point to
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2 instead of
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> there should have been something like kernel-desktop-latest3 for a
+</I>&gt;<i> while, to let people test that 3.0 thing (rc, right? I know this is
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron, but I'd still prefer a kernel that works) while still having a
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.6 kernel.
+</I>
+WTF? We do this quite regularly... the rc's have been pushed in cooker
+and I'm pretty sure cauldron in the past. The fact that this is 3.x.x
+rather 2.6.38 is pretty much a whim of numbering and nothing
+specifically relating to anything &quot;significant&quot; or similar.
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+And who cares if -latest is updated. Your old kernel is not removed and
+TMB gave you forewarning about it.
+
+This is really one of the lamest complaints ever!!!
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+Col
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+&gt;<i> Once you manually touch menu.lst, it's never going to be properly updated afterwards.
+</I>
+Rubbish. I've manually edited menu.lst in the past and my
+changes/additions are correctly kept and also added to newly installed
+kernels and I still get version-specific entries added until I uninstall
+the kernel in question.
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+Whatever you've done to cause this it's your own doing. If you delve
+into such things you have to suffer the consequences.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 16/07/11 09:06 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 15 July 2011 23:20, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Balcaen John at 15/07/11 20:16 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Friday 15 July 2011 15:06:11 Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 07/15/2011 02:28 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Has anyone else noticed that as of updating yesterday or today, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> windows in KDE have no titlebars, and cannot be moved or closed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (except through the individual app) ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I used to see this occasionally under GNOME 2.32, but logging out/in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> again usually put it right. That doesn't work in the current KDE.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All windows open in the top left of the screen with no enclosing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> frame, i.e. the MenuBar is the topmost thing you see.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Turning Compiz off gets the titlebars back, but I've had Compiz on for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> week or more without this problem. Googling shows that there is some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> conflict between Compiz and KDE, and other distro forums mentioned a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> compiz-kde package. Has something similar not been rebuilt for the new
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> KDE ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just finished to push compiz 0.8.8 (works is done by julien) &amp; everything is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> working here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How do you configure compiz ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Here it's simply working by selecting compiz as the default windows manager
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> using systemsettings ( kcmshell4 componentchooser in konsole)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Interesting, that method never really worked before (or at least I never
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tested it).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It worked since mikala added
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdebase4-runtime/current/SOURCES/kdebase-runtime-4.6.0-fedora-support-for-compiz.patch,">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdebase4-runtime/current/SOURCES/kdebase-runtime-4.6.0-fedora-support-for-compiz.patch,</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIUC.
+</I>
+Ahh.
+
+FWIW, I think I always patched compiz to ensure it started the decorator
+for you...
+
+So a question is: Is compiz running but without decorations?
+
+If yes, then is the decoration plugin loaded in compiz itself?
+
+If yes, then I'd suggest that either:
+ 1. Compiz is no longer staring the decorator for some reason.
+or
+ 2. The script &quot;compiz-window-decorator&quot; is not working.
+
+
+That's probably the first place to start.
+
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+Col
+
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+&gt;<i> WTF? We do this quite regularly... the rc's have been pushed in cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> and I'm pretty sure cauldron in the past. The fact that this is 3.x.x
+</I>&gt;<i> rather 2.6.38 is pretty much a whim of numbering and nothing
+</I>&gt;<i> specifically relating to anything &quot;significant&quot; or similar.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And who cares if -latest is updated. Your old kernel is not removed and
+</I>&gt;<i> TMB gave you forewarning about it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is really one of the lamest complaints ever!!!
+</I>
+Notwithstanding that this is cauldron, not stable, it is _not_ like an update from
+2.6.38.8-desktop-2
+to
+2.6.38.8-desktop-5
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+This is a _major_ kernel update, even if 3.0.0-rc7 is actually 2.6.40-rc7.
+
+As a matter of fact, while 2.6.38.8 was a _very_ stable kernel, this one is _not_,
+
+The latest _stable_ kernel is 2.6.39.3, not this bloody 2.6.40-rc7, aka 3.0.0-rc7.
+
+And I don't remember of any &quot;forewarning&quot;.
+
+Also, even in Cauldron, shouldn't it have stayed for more time in testing?
+
+Finally, when you upgrade a regular package (say, LibreOffice, which was recently updated) to a new version, it is extremely unlikely that you would update it to a Beta/RC one, even in Cauldron. Then why your standards are _lower_ when comes to the kernel -- the most important component of all?!?!?
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+I am using Mageia because it's one of the best distros out there. I am using Cauldron because I need newer stuff -- and I'm also building some even newer packages every now and then, as I need them.
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+But I don't trust _your_ judgment, folks, your inconsistent policies, your questionable common sense. As FLOSS developers, you're first of all full of pride, pride, and pride again. You're _always_ right -- you're Gods, after all. Well, I'm an atheist then.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Finally, when you upgrade a regular package (say, LibreOffice, which was
+</I>&gt;<i> recently updated) to a new version, it is extremely unlikely that you would
+</I>&gt;<i> update it to a Beta/RC one, even in Cauldron. Then why your standards are
+</I>&gt;<i> _lower_ when comes to the kernel -- the most important component of all?!?!?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, LO is probably exception, AFAIK mostly due to its building troubles
+</I>but at least KDE has always had almost all alphas and betas and RCs in
+cooker/cauldron
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+&gt;<i> R-C
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+<PRE>Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le samedi 09 juillet 2011 &#224; 14:46 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I used the --with-man option of the %find_lang RPM macro, but noticed that it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> adds all /usr/share/man/XX and /usr/share/man/XX/manX directories to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package, which, it seems, is bad.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Spturtle noticed that for example /usr/share/man/sr belongs to no other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package and prefers that it belongs to too much packages than to no package at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I looked at what fedora does, and it looks like they added all those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> translated manpages dirs to the filesystem package ( see
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/sr">http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/sr</A> and select fedora )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would solve the problem at hand and we could start cleaning wrong
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ownerships, such as those :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/fr">http://sophie.zarb.org/explorer/usr/share/man/fr</A> (select mageia)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Filesystem sound the logical place to put everything.
+</I>&gt;<i> The real problem is to find the canonical list of supported languages.
+</I>
+It seems to me that we should treat all languages the same. But not create
+directories/assign ownership for languages not on the user's system.
+
+So that would mean assigning ownership (to filesystem) when an arbitrary new
+language is added, or systematically denying ownership for all such directories.
+(If readily done, assigning to filesystem does sound better.)
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+Either way I think the build system could play a role in this.
+And maybe rpmlint.
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+Since I don't know how ownership is stored, nor how ownership is now assigned
+for such directories, I don't know how we would implement this.
+But it might be an idea, once we decide what to do (depending on what is
+workable), that we have a utility that will clean the users' package database,
+to conform to our new rules.
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+Another 2 cents.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Radu-Cristian FOTESCU at 16/07/11 18:48 did gyre and
+gimble:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WTF? We do this quite regularly... the rc's have been pushed in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cooker and I'm pretty sure cauldron in the past. The fact that this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is 3.x.x rather 2.6.38 is pretty much a whim of numbering and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nothing specifically relating to anything &quot;significant&quot; or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> similar.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And who cares if -latest is updated. Your old kernel is not removed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and TMB gave you forewarning about it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is really one of the lamest complaints ever!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Notwithstanding that this is cauldron, not stable, it is _not_ like
+</I>&gt;<i> an update from 2.6.38.8-desktop-2 to 2.6.38.8-desktop-5
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a _major_ kernel update, even if 3.0.0-rc7 is actually
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.6.40-rc7.
+</I>
+It is a major version update only in number, not in features. If it is
+actually 2.6.40, then it is technically a &quot;micro&quot; update... (version
+numbers are major.minor.micro... this is accepted terminology).
+
+&gt;<i> As a matter of fact, while 2.6.38.8 was a _very_ stable kernel, this
+</I>&gt;<i> one is _not_,
+</I>
+Perhaps not for you. It's working fine for me. That is a _very_
+subjective statement without _any_ facts.
+
+&gt;<i> The latest _stable_ kernel is 2.6.39.3, not this bloody 2.6.40-rc7,
+</I>&gt;<i> aka 3.0.0-rc7.
+</I>
+So? No one said this was a stable kernel anyway! This is a _development_
+distro. You've got to expect this kind of thing. If you don't, you
+shouldn't use it and you shouldn't be trolling our *development* mailing
+lists with your requests for *stability*! (and regardless of what you
+say about not calling &quot;serious people&quot; trolls, your behaviour is classic
+troll behaviour and you have done nothing to present yourself as a
+serious person other than just saying you are. This is something you
+have to earn by your actions, not state and expect people to accept).
+
+&gt;<i> And I don't remember of any &quot;forewarning&quot;.
+</I>
+Then you obviously don't read the development list, nor read the list of
+packages you are installing. This is therefore entirely your own fault.
+
+&gt;<i> Also, even in Cauldron, shouldn't it have stayed for more time in
+</I>&gt;<i> testing?
+</I>
+Cauldron is for testing. That's the whole point of it? This is exactly
+what's happening now. You are under a massive miscomprehension me thinks.
+
+&gt;<i> Finally, when you upgrade a regular package (say, LibreOffice, which
+</I>&gt;<i> was recently updated) to a new version, it is extremely unlikely that
+</I>&gt;<i> you would update it to a Beta/RC one, even in Cauldron. Then why your
+</I>&gt;<i> standards are _lower_ when comes to the kernel -- the most important
+</I>&gt;<i> component of all?!?!?
+</I>
+RC and beta versions will hit cauldron frequently when the maintainer
+feels it is the right thing to do. Perhaps the maintainer is an upstream
+developer too and is using cauldron to get wider feedback (I'll be doing
+this soon for PulseAudio for example). RC and even beta versions hit
+cooker all the time and this isn't going to be any different here.
+You're making statements with no basis in reality here.
+
+
+
+&gt;<i> I am using Mageia because it's one of the best distros out there. I
+</I>&gt;<i> am using Cauldron because I need newer stuff -- and I'm also building
+</I>&gt;<i> some even newer packages every now and then, as I need them.
+</I>
+If you are using Cauldron, then you should expect this kind of thing. If
+you don't want this, do not use cauldron. It's not a hard choice.
+
+&gt;<i> But I don't trust _your_ judgment, folks, your inconsistent policies,
+</I>&gt;<i> your questionable common sense. As FLOSS developers, you're first of
+</I>&gt;<i> all full of pride, pride, and pride again. You're _always_ right --
+</I>&gt;<i> you're Gods, after all. Well, I'm an atheist then.
+</I>
+WTF? Jeeze I wish I hadn't spent time replying sensibly to the points
+above when you sign off with such a blatant troll....
+
+Col
+
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
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+<PRE>&gt;<i>Well, LO is probably exception, AFAIK mostly due to its building troubles but
+</I>
+&gt;<i>at least KDE has always had almost all alphas and betas and RCs in cooker/cauldron
+</I>
+KDE is the main reason I'm using Cauldron.
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+Since KDE 4.0.0, KDE is never &quot;good/stable enough&quot;, so it _always_ makes sense
+to install all the RCs.
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+polished -- think KDE 3.5.10 or GNOME 2.32 --, there are some benevolent teams
+of dictators who decide to jump to an unstable boat -- thinl KDE 4.0.0, GNOME 3.0.)
+
+I've seen no betas here, only RCs (4.6.3 -&gt; 4.6.4 -&gt; 4.6.90 -&gt; 4.6.95). Fair enough.
+
+But I should unsubscribe from all these lists. I could never get along with the
+Linux and FreeBSD developers -- too proud of themselves.
+
+R-C
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Radu-Cristian FOTESCU at 16/07/11 19:12 did gyre and
+gimble:
+&gt;<i> But I should unsubscribe from all these lists. I could never get along with the
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux and FreeBSD developers -- too proud of themselves.
+</I>
+I don't think it's pride. I think it's the fact that you don't listen to
+people and just decide yourself what you think a given product or system
+actually is. When you start to make things up in your head and then
+reality doesn't match that picture you somehow feel victimised, then
+justify that feeling of victimisation by projecting some flaw onto other
+people.
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+Seriously, look in a mirror and judge yourself, not others.
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
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+&gt;<i> &gt;Well, LO is probably exception, AFAIK mostly due to its building troubles
+</I>&gt;<i> but
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;at least KDE has always had almost all alphas and betas and RCs in
+</I>&gt;<i> cooker/cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE is the main reason I'm using Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since KDE 4.0.0, KDE is never &quot;good/stable enough&quot;, so it _always_ makes
+</I>&gt;<i> sense
+</I>&gt;<i> to install all the RCs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (There are some DEs that are never &quot;stable enough&quot;. Or, when they are
+</I>&gt;<i> really
+</I>&gt;<i> polished -- think KDE 3.5.10 or GNOME 2.32 --, there are some benevolent
+</I>&gt;<i> teams
+</I>&gt;<i> of dictators who decide to jump to an unstable boat -- thinl KDE 4.0.0,
+</I>&gt;<i> GNOME 3.0.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've seen no betas here, only RCs (4.6.3 -&gt; 4.6.4 -&gt; 4.6.90 -&gt; 4.6.95).
+</I>&gt;<i> Fair enough.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not in Mageia, yet... But Mandriva had e.g after 4.5.0 4.5.65, 4.5.67,
+</I>4.5.68. 4.5.71, 4.5.74 and so on - i.e. surely betas and IINM some alphas,
+too. So it surely is not so rare to have in development version as
+cooker/cauldron quite unstable versions.
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WTF? We do this quite regularly... the rc's have been pushed in cooker
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and I'm pretty sure cauldron in the past. The fact that this is 3.x.x
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rather 2.6.38 is pretty much a whim of numbering and nothing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> specifically relating to anything &quot;significant&quot; or similar.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And who cares if -latest is updated. Your old kernel is not removed and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> TMB gave you forewarning about it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is really one of the lamest complaints ever!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Notwithstanding that this is cauldron, not stable, it is _not_ like an update from
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.6.38.8-desktop-2
+</I>&gt;<i> to
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.6.38.8-desktop-5
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a _major_ kernel update, even if 3.0.0-rc7 is actually 2.6.40-rc7.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a matter of fact, while 2.6.38.8 was a _very_ stable kernel, this one is _not_,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The latest _stable_ kernel is 2.6.39.3, not this bloody &#160;2.6.40-rc7, aka 3.0.0-rc7.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And I don't remember of any &quot;forewarning&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, even in Cauldron, shouldn't it have stayed for more time in testing?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Finally, when you upgrade a regular package (say, LibreOffice, which was recently updated) to a new version, it is extremely unlikely that you would update it to a Beta/RC one, even in Cauldron. Then why your standards are _lower_ when comes to the kernel -- the most important component of all?!?!?
+</I>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Seriously, look in a mirror and judge yourself, not others.
+</I>
+OK, updating from 2.6.38 to 2.6.40-0.rc7 aka 3.0.0-0.rc7 was the right
+thing.
+
+Satisfied now?
+
+There seem to be several standards when judging what to do in an unstable
+distro.
+
+In a released distro, the common rule is _not_ to update anything, unless
+the minor updates stop and there isn't any other way to provide a security
+fix. A next major (or, sometimes, even a next minor) update only comes with
+the next distro release. Backports are possible, but optional. People
+needing newer versions of specific packages either are building them
+themselves from upstream (quite rare), or they're using 3rd-party repos
+(e.g. PPAs).
+
+So, sorry to repeat: in a _stable_ distro, even upgrading to the next
+_stable_ release is usually _forbidden_. (Fedora is kind of an exception
+here, but passons...)
+
+In something like Cauldron them, there are several degrees of possible
+freedoms:
+
+i. Upgrading packages to the next _stable_ version, like the recent
+LibreOffice update.
+This is the first degree of differentiation from a stable/release distro.
+
+ii. Upgrading packages to the next _beta/RC_ version, like it's usually the
+case with KDE, GNOME (and rightfully so).
+This is the second degree of differentiation from a stable/release distro.
+IMHO, this should be used with care.
+When you say &quot;caludron is by definition unstable, we don't need an extra
+testing stage&quot;, you implicitely state that Fedora Rawhide's policies are
+stupid and only yours is a valid one.
+
+iii. Upgrading the _kernel_ (or the system and session manager, or other
+_critical_ system parts) to the next _beta/RC_ version, which IMNSHO is not
+the right thing to do, unless there are 2 different metapackages
+(latest-stable-kernel and latest-kernel), so that people who are using a
+cooker/cauldron/rawhide/unstable distro be able to choose the degree of risk
+they're willing to adopt:
+a). risking everything;
+b). risking mostly application/DE breakage, yet having a reasonable degree
+of confidence that the system as a whole is not really broken except in
+extremely rare cases.
+
+
+Of course, your distro, your policies.
+
+
+OTOH, I've had in the past the proof that FLOSS developers typically lack
+common sense. A few examples:
+
+1. Arch Linux developers can't understand that developing a few scripts (a
+la Slackware, not a la Mandriva) that would assist the user into further
+system &amp; DE configuration after the initial install makes a lot of sense.
+100 hours of developers' time&#160; vs. 1,000,000 hours of users' wasted
+post-install time. =&gt; Develop once, use by everyone.
+
+2. The same for Gentoo-like distros (stage 1). Having everybody building
+every package for every system is useless in 99.9999% of the time, as the
+claimed &quot;optimisations&quot; might be of 2-3% in terms of speed, whereas the
+millions of users' wasted time (and electrical energy!) are a huge nonsense
+-- and it's anti-ecological too! =&gt; Build once, install by everyone.
+
+3. FreeBSD devs have been extremely opaque wrt binary updates. I've not been
+using FreeBSD since ages, but I believe that, even if they do have binary
+updates now, they're not in plain repositories that could be browsed
+(FTP/HTTP) like the Linux updates repos. Once again, patching the FreeBSD
+style is a huge waste of time and adds unnecessary risks.
+
+4. XFCE devs really can't understand/accept that _not_ having for the
+desktop icons a text label drawn with transparency &amp; outline (instead of the
+default opaque background) makes their DE look like Win95. (Transparency
+came with Win98 and outlining... I'm not sure.)
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+5. There are gazillions of _relevant_ bugs (even in applications like gedit,
+kate, whatnot) that never got fixed, whereas the developers of the
+respective DEs always try to add new features, sometimes exotic and
+irrelevant ones (compiz-included). It's like they prefer the glitter (the
+bling-bling) to _relevant_ functionality. Yet, they develop for Linux, not
+for Windows. Go figure.
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+6. &quot;If it ain't broken, don't fix it.&quot; Countless examples (y compris KDE4,
+GNOME3, but I'n not going into this), I'll just say SysV
+init/systemd/upstart/whatnot -- I'm not even interested in this crap. It is
+crap for me because:
+i. Booting time is irrelevant for servers, they're 99.99999% up.
+ii. Only stupid desktop users would shutdown when hybernation
+(suspend-to-disk) is available.
+iii. Gaining 10 seconds in boot time is not worthing, if the price is a
+disruptive redesign of the _entire_ init process, with tons of downstream
+work for everyone.
+
+But, as I said, I never trust the judgment of FLOSS/pro-bono developers. So
+I don't expect any of you to understand my rationale -- I even expect
+Dodonov to piss on my words, as he already did today. (Quite unexpected, as
+he already worked for Microsoft, and so far no Microsoft guy mocked me.)
+
+R-C aka beranger
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I just updated my system and am now running kernel-3.0...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely
+</I>&gt;<i> not. Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message.
+</I>&gt;<i> can anyone confirm?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If yes, I'd post a bug report (against what?), Which outputs,
+</I>&gt;<i> information would be needed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>see :
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Radu-Cristian FOTESCU at 16/07/11 20:28 did gyre and
+gimble:
+&gt;<i> 6. &quot;If it ain't broken, don't fix it.&quot; Countless examples (y compris KDE4,
+</I>&gt;<i> GNOME3, but I'n not going into this), I'll just say SysV
+</I>&gt;<i> init/systemd/upstart/whatnot -- I'm not even interested in this crap. It is
+</I>&gt;<i> crap for me because:
+</I>&gt;<i> i. Booting time is irrelevant for servers, they're 99.99999% up.
+</I>&gt;<i> ii. Only stupid desktop users would shutdown when hybernation
+</I>&gt;<i> (suspend-to-disk) is available.
+</I>&gt;<i> iii. Gaining 10 seconds in boot time is not worthing, if the price is a
+</I>&gt;<i> disruptive redesign of the _entire_ init process, with tons of downstream
+</I>&gt;<i> work for everyone.
+</I>
+The above statement clearly says &quot;I've only read one feature of systemd&quot;
+ and that you don't care about the actual, genuine design reasons for
+providing a *much* more robust system for system administrators and
+things like upgrading and restarting network services without loosing
+ANY connections.
+
+Tracking and controlling the spawned processes adds much greater security.
+
+Booting is only one aspect, and as a sysadmin, I very much appreciate
+the additional control I get with a systemd system. It is very relevant
+to me in circumstances where boot time is of minor importance.
+
+I can't say I'm surprised that you're jumping to conclusions again and
+making up your own reason and justifications as this is exactly how
+you've behaved on this list thus far.
+
+Col
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
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+<PRE>On 07/16/2011 03:53 PM, D.Morgan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Oliver Burger
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just updated my system and am now running kernel-3.0...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not. Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can anyone confirm?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If yes, I'd post a bug report (against what?), Which outputs,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> information would be needed?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> see :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1266">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1266</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yep, the workaround in the bug report fixes the issue.
+
+--- tools.pm 2011-07-16 16:03:19.729969872 -0400
++++ /usr/lib/libDrakX/network/tools.pm 2011-07-16 16:00:55.702129467 -0400
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+ if (defined $3) { $routes{$1}{gateway} = hex($3) ?
+host_hex_to_dotted($3) : $routes{$1}{network} }
+ if (defined $2) { $routes{$1}{network} =
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+&gt;<i> The above statement clearly says &quot;I've only read one feature of
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd&quot;
+</I>
+Maybe it's not about systemd. Maybe it's about upstart. Or maybe
+it's about a half-dozen init system I don't care about -- and you know
+why?
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+Not just because I'm not a sysadmin, but because the public image --
+those 99% of the enthusiastic blog posts and reviews and whatever
+the Linux fanbois are doing -- only stress on boot time charts, and
+&quot;hey, this one boots 1 second faster!&quot;
+
+The bling-bling &amp; glitter is not my fault. This is how Linux is marketed
+-- and not only by Ubuntu/Canonical.
+
+Still, restarting the network w/o losing any connection (I can't figure
+out how this is possible) should not belong IMVHO to the init system.
+It could as well be a specific change only related to networking.
+There must be more than one way to do a thing.
+
+&gt;<i> I can't say I'm surprised that you're jumping to conclusions again
+</I>&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;<i> making up your own reason and justifications as this is exactly how
+</I>&gt;<i> you've behaved on this list thus far.
+</I>
+This doesn't change the fact that in Linux, as soon as a technology is
+mature &amp; stable enough, someone gets on steroids and decides to
+develop a totally different replacement, which is then pushed on the
+market while not entirely production-ready.
+
+Of course, RHEL won't get it until it's production ready (except that it
+got KDE4 with plenty of bugs), but by &quot;market&quot; I wasn't only referring
+to the commercial offerings. Market is also people trying to escape
+the Microsoft tax.
+
+I am using Linux because it's funny, but XP SP3 is far more stable
+to me, so I always keep a working partition with it. 2 BSODs in 2 years
+(and it's constantly updated), at pair with 2 kernel panics in 2 years
+(for stable distros!), but hundreds and hundreds of KDE or apps crashes.
+
+I'm not jumping to any conclusion, I'm just not a fan of anything. It's hard
+to find someone working in IT that is not proud of the field -- you too are
+proud. I am working in IT and I don't praise anything. I'm sick of the lack
+of quality in the software field, that's all, and planned or perceived
+obsolescence is one of the causes, unnecessary complexity is another
+one, and there are many more -- mostly cultural and a sign of our ages.
+(Maybe I'm too old and, as an electrical engineer, I remember the times
+when everything that worked was hardware and wired logic at most.)
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+<PRE>hello,
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+with my sysadmin hat i just reverted on the main server + on the svn.
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+This have been asked by mikala because this breaks soprarno ( so KDE )
+and ardour ( and maybe more applications ).
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+Please do not update packages randomly if you don't know what you do,
+this can save our days.
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+&gt;<i> hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> with my sysadmin hat i just reverted on the main server + on the svn.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This have been asked by mikala because this breaks soprarno ( so KDE )
+</I>&gt;<i> and ardour ( and maybe more applications ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please do not update packages randomly if you don't know what you do,
+</I>&gt;<i> this can save our days.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>here a bugreport mikala shown to me that explain the pb :
+<A HREF="http://bugs.librdf.org/mantis/view.php?id=441">http://bugs.librdf.org/mantis/view.php?id=441</A>
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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+<PRE>On Sunday 17 July 2011 00:14:07 D.Morgan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 12:02 AM, D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with my sysadmin hat i just reverted on the main server + on the svn.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This have been asked by mikala because this breaks soprarno ( so KDE )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and ardour ( and maybe more applications ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please do not update packages randomly if you don't know what you do,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this can save our days.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> here a bugreport mikala shown to me that explain the pb :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://bugs.librdf.org/mantis/view.php?id=441">http://bugs.librdf.org/mantis/view.php?id=441</A>
+</I>In summary we should wait for upgrade until soprano is ported to the &#171; new &#187;
+redland.
+Adour build is also broken with the new redland
+&amp; i did not test libreoffice (too long to build just for a test for me :D )
+neither slv2
+
+Regards,
+
+--
+Balcaen John
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Radu-Cristian FOTESCU at 16/07/11 22:33 did gyre and
+gimble:
+&gt;<i> I'm not jumping to any conclusion, I'm just not a fan of anything. It's hard
+</I>&gt;<i> to find someone working in IT that is not proud of the field -- you too are
+</I>&gt;<i> proud. I am working in IT and I don't praise anything. I'm sick of the lack
+</I>&gt;<i> of quality in the software field, that's all, and planned or perceived
+</I>&gt;<i> obsolescence is one of the causes, unnecessary complexity is another
+</I>&gt;<i> one, and there are many more -- mostly cultural and a sign of our ages.
+</I>&gt;<i> (Maybe I'm too old and, as an electrical engineer, I remember the times
+</I>&gt;<i> when everything that worked was hardware and wired logic at most.)
+</I>
+Of course I'm proud of certain things I've done, but I'm not stupid
+enough to think that everything I've touched is perfect or that things
+do not need more work. If I thought everything was perfect, I'd stop
+stop working on things as there would be nothing left to do. That
+doesn't meant I cannot praise anything. The two are not mutually
+exclusive as you seem to suggest. I can appreciate good design in a
+product, even if it does have bugs or gaps in it's implementation yet to
+be filled.
+
+I fully appreciate things need to be fixed in certain areas and I
+appreciate the perfectly valid reasons for people wanting to change even
+mature and established packages. Just because something is mature
+doesn't mean it works in the best or most robust way. Just because
+something has been around for while should not make it immune to any
+rethinks.
+
+Sick of the lack of quality is perfectly acceptable, but you know what
+fixes that? People who care about it actually *working* on it.
+Complaining about it doesn't help anyone!
+
+Col
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+ Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
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+&gt;<i> Sick of the lack of quality is perfectly acceptable, but you know what
+</I>&gt;<i> fixes that? People who care about it actually *working* on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Complaining about it doesn't help anyone!
+</I>
+You're right in theory, and probably also in practice. However, as a
+skeptical and pessimistic by nature (and by experience: I believe
+not in progress, but in human regress, and this has nothing to do
+with technological progress), I fear that the OS field might eventually
+reach the status we're now seeing in the smartphones field:
+1. everyone curses his or her smartphone, no matter the make and model,
+for various design flaws, hardware or software (always software too);
+2. what happens is that newer smartphones models are issued
+(updating the firmware for existing/old models is discouraged in this
+consumerist society), with different design or implementation flaws
+(including software issues);
+3. now curses his or her smartphone, just a different model.
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+Sticking to maturity and stability is generally a sign of stagnation, not
+a sign of progress. However, nowadays everything is incredibly complex
+as compared to, say, 50 years ago. At the same time, no matter what
+we believe, our capabilities of dealing with complex situations, and the
+procedures of managing such processes are not satisfactory enough.
+Through complexity, we've reached a level of fragility unforeseen before.
+And that includes software. When I'm looking at the hundreds of thousands
+of bug reports at an upstream project (KDE, GNOME) or distros like
+*buntu, Fedora, EL, I cannot but jump to the conclusion that the whole
+process is out of control, and the bug-fixing (or even bug triaging) is nothing
+else but a lottery.
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+R-C
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+ <I>Sun Jul 17 03:26:12 CEST 2011</I>
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+Hello,
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+I updated my system and it installed the latest kernel
+(2.6.38.8-desktop). When I rebooted the system it hung when starting
+udev. I shut down the system after 1 minute.
+
+When I booted into kernel 2.6.38.7-desktop, udev started in less than 10
+seconds.
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+Also, neither kernel/udev created the /dev/dvd or /dev/sr0 symlinks.
+When I created the /dev/dvd symlink I had to change the permission of
+the original device to 0x666 from 0x660 so that the software could play
+the DVD.
+
+Is anyone else having this problem?
+
+Thank you,
+
+Jeff
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+&gt;<i> Name : gtk+2.0 Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2.24.5 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 6.mga2 Build Date: Mon Jul 11 21:15:24
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> wally &lt;wally&gt; 2.24.5-6.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 122408
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix gir package requires (require libs)
+</I>We should remove from repository lib(64)gtk+2.0-gir2.0-2.24.5-4.mga2. binary
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hello,
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+</I>&gt;<i> I updated my system and it installed the latest kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> (2.6.38.8-desktop). When I rebooted the system it hung when starting
+</I>&gt;<i> udev. I shut down the system after 1 minute.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If you boot without the 'splash=silent' parameter to kernel, does it says
+where exactly it stops?
+
+Also, it happens with the 3.0 kernel as well?
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 17:05, Michael Altizer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">xiche at verizon.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 07/16/2011 03:53 PM, D.Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Oliver Burger
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just updated my system and am now running kernel-3.0...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not. Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can anyone confirm?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If yes, I'd post a bug report (against what?), Which outputs,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> information would be needed?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> see :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_**bug.cgi?id=1266&lt;https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1266">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_**bug.cgi?id=1266&lt;https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1266</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yep, the workaround in the bug report fixes the issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --- tools.pm 2011-07-16 16:03:19.729969872 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ /usr/lib/libDrakX/network/tool**s.pm &lt;<A HREF="http://tools.pm">http://tools.pm</A>&gt; 2011-07-16
+</I>&gt;<i> 16:00:55.702129467 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -263,7 +263,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sub get_routes() {
+</I>&gt;<i> my %routes;
+</I>&gt;<i> - foreach (cat_(&quot;/proc/net/route&quot;)) {
+</I>&gt;<i> + foreach (sort {$b cmp $a} cat_(&quot;/proc/net/route&quot;)) {
+</I>&gt;<i> if (/^(\S+)\s+([0-9A-F]+)\s+([0-**9A-F]+)\s+[0-9A-F]+\s+\d+\s+\**d+\s+(\d+)\s+([0-9A-F]+)/)
+</I>&gt;<i> {
+</I>&gt;<i> if (defined $3) { $routes{$1}{gateway} = hex($3) ?
+</I>&gt;<i> host_hex_to_dotted($3) : $routes{$1}{network} }
+</I>&gt;<i> if (defined $2) { $routes{$1}{network} = host_hex_to_dotted($2)
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+/proc/net/routes is a bit strange with 3.0+ kernels, I think that this patch
+is probably the best way to handle it at the moment.
+
+On a side note, Blino, is there a need to parse its content with a regexp?
+All values there are tab-separated, so perhaps this 'if' check could be much
+simplified with a split(), no?
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:02, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eugeni at dodonov.net</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; package, mostly for 1 reason:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why that? It will still be available in the /updates/1/ SVN branch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm perhaps you are right and I am over-thinking this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In any case, it is in svn now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And now it is in cauldron, please let me know if it breaks something.
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+&gt;<i> I thought I would post this because very likely some other user are
+</I>&gt;<i> experiencing this:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Afte upgrading a guest system from mandriva 2010.2 or older to cooker or
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia, the system becomes very unresponsive after a random period or time
+</I>&gt;<i> (
+</I>&gt;<i> just after boot up to 3 hours).
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Yes, I've seen that, but just to confirm - the system was running kde,
+right?
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+&gt;<i> Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the last minute. Rtp was not really fond of systemd on arm and embedded
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; system either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have more details about the issues on arm/embedded?
+</I>&gt;<i> How could it be worse than forking our dozens of shell scripts?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think that it is not the case - if no specific systemd .service files are
+there, systemd will gladly execute initscripts init scripts.
+
+Of course, there are always ordering issues, unexpected systemd-specific
+behavior (like accessing /dev/ being treated as service activation or such),
+but nothing unfixable as far as I know.
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+&gt;<i> Grub 2 is also able to boot ext4 without trouble since several years. So
+</I>&gt;<i> keeping grub 1 for a while doesn't make sense at all if this is related
+</I>&gt;<i> to file system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And grub 2 also support reading grub 1 configuration file since
+</I>&gt;<i> September 2010.
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+Perhaps a stupid question, but does it works with our gfxboot and drakboot?
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+</I>&gt;<i> Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 14:31 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 16 July 2011 03:02, Michael Scherer&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 &#224; 12:11 +0200, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 00:30:41, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $ mgarepo maintdb --help
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Usage:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Take maintainership of one package :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> See who is maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb get
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I used in in Mageia 1 using the package in updates_testing and it works well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ok, it's moved to updates now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Wasn't it against the policy ( ie, this is neither a bugfix, this is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version update, providing feature ) ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That is a bug fix; is there any other way a Mageia packager running
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mga1 can set/unset himself as a maintainer of a package in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> official Mageia repos?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes :
+</I>&gt;<i> - using cauldron in a vm, a chroot
+</I>&gt;<i> - backporting by himself the package
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Packagers convenience do not seems a reason to bypass our policies.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That is not a &quot;feature&quot;, that's a &quot;basic requirement&quot; in repository
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> access and management tool for a distro, that was missing and is now
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> available, that warrants an official update, IMHO...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Everybody has a different vision of what is a basic requirement, and the
+</I>&gt;<i> problem with such reasoning is that we first start to say &quot;this is not a
+</I>&gt;<i> new feature&quot;, and then, someone say &quot;I need to have this in stable and
+</I>&gt;<i> like $FOO, I think that's a basic requirement, so we should
+</I>&gt;<i> backport/upgrade&quot;.
+</I>
++1
+I think it's better to follow policy as much as possible. And try to avoid a
+lot of ad hoc exceptions. If we come to a concensus on an exception, that
+would effectively revise our policy. But it is better to revise policy first.
+
+A new feature, however essential it may seem, is still a new feature.
+And nothing is wrong with using the occasional backport for specific reasons.
+
+Although I installed the mgarepo update, I would have looked for it in
+backports if it hadn't been in updates.
+
+&gt;<i> All packagers should have a cauldron installed somewhere, or that mean
+</I>&gt;<i> they cannot test any packages or try to reproduce any bugs on it ( ie,
+</I>&gt;<i> do the job of a package maintainer ).
+</I>
+Good point. Have to do that soon. That should be documented for apprentices.
+ (If not already.)
+
+&gt;<i> And so if they do not have, I do not think we should encourage them to
+</I>&gt;<i> do so.
+</I>
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+As said after our last meetings, here is the announcement for release
+cycle, time support and development planning for Mageia 2
+<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the last minute. Rtp was not really fond of systemd on arm and embedded
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; system either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have more details about the issues on arm/embedded?
+</I>&gt;<i> How could it be worse than forking our dozens of shell scripts?
+</I>
+It isn't (IMHO), it is better to have systemd (IMHO). But that was a
+attempt to make rtp speak on the list ( like speaking of his proposal
+about flags ) :)
+
+His point (IIRC) was that adding cgroup to the kernel would have a small
+overhead, and big overhead are made of lots of smaller one.
+
+And (maybe) that systemd take ressources all the time, while shell
+scripts only take them on boot.
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+On the other hand, we do not really target specific ultra specific
+embedded system for now, so this point may be moot.
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+&gt;<i> Either 2 rpms with the same source, or 1 rpm that generate 2 sub rpms.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would rather use 2 separate rpms, as this seems to be easier.
+</I>I see, so really &quot; treating python2 and python 3 as 2 differents languages&quot;
+why not, that will increase the number of rpms
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+On 07/16/2011 07:42 PM, Eugeni Dodonov wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> If you boot without the 'splash=silent' parameter to kernel, does it says
+</I>&gt;<i> where exactly it stops?
+</I>
+I will reboot and remove the parameter later. I simply hit &lt;ESC&gt; when I
+saw the splash screen and watched the output.
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+&gt;<i> Also, it happens with the 3.0 kernel as well?
+</I>
+This is my main home computer, so I am not using cooker. I did not see
+the 3.0 kernel in the main repository. Can I just install the single
+RPM or are there a lot of new dependencies versus the 2.6.38 series?
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+Thank you,
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+Jeff
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+On 07/17/2011 02:02 AM, Jeff Robins wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I will reboot and remove the parameter later. I simply hit &lt;ESC&gt; when I
+</I>&gt;<i> saw the splash screen and watched the output.
+</I>
+I rebooted without the parameter and the results are the same. However,
+I found out that it only hangs when there is not CD/DVD in the drive. I
+still get no DVD in the device notifier and no symlinks are created when
+booting with a DVD in the drive.
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+Thank you,
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+Jeff
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+</I>&gt;<i> it is. normally, when an update pushes a totally new kernel, it should make sure GRUB still has an entry with the previous kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i> no, not &quot;failsafe&quot; with the latest kernel, but just the previous working kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I> &gt;
+&gt;<i> with either of Mageia 1 and Mageia Cauldron, I could _never_ get an updated kernel to _properly_ update GRUB's menu.list.
+</I>&gt;<i> I suppose it's rocket science. It's like GRUB was release yesterday and nobody knows how to deal with it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I totally agree with that. The normal behaviour should be that the old
+kernel stays in the list for a while so if the new one fails you will
+still be able to boot your system.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for my part i still love tmb a lot for his awesome work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for the past, yes.
+</I>&gt;<i> for pushing 3.0.0 as a forced update to 2.6.38... this is just a bad decision!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you all squeak and tweak over pushing or not pushing Adobe Flash 11 Beta1 x86_64 into Cauldron, because it's beta.
+</I>&gt;<i> heck, it's just a bloody plugin!
+</I>&gt;<i> but when comes to such a crucial thing as the kernel... forcing rc7over a working kernel is always good, because it's signed by Linus, and because tmb has pushed the mga patches.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Why that? Mageia2 will be released somewhere on April 2012. So until
+there we will have Kernel 3.1 or 3.2 so why should we stay on an old
+kernel if there is a newer one???
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+And as is told, this is Cauldron so it will break sometimes. My last try
+of Cauldron with Gnome caused me a problem so i wasn't able to upgrade
+to the latest packages because of a conflict of 2 packages. So what it's
+a development environment which is known to be unstable and that's why i
+only enable it in a vm.
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+&gt;<i> well, I beg to strongly disagree.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> r-c aka beranger
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+</I>&gt;<i> I totally agree with that. The normal behaviour should be that the old
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel stays in the list for a while so if the new one fails you will
+</I>&gt;<i> still be able to boot your system.
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+</I>Do you have the same issue?
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+<PRE>On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:47:09 +0200
+Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 16 juillet 2011 &#224; 10:57 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 16 July 2011 02:57, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le vendredi 15 juillet 2011 &#224; 11:10 +0300, Ahmad Samir a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; there's a new version of flash which has native 64bit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; support, it's still in beta but seems to work well, some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; - Any objections about offering it in mga1?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Yes, I do.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; That's a beta, and stable is not a dumping ground for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Right, let's do a head count:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia 64bit users who are using the 64bit Adobe Flash 11 Beta
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1, please raise your hand (my hand is raised already, I've been
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; using it for 2-3 days).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The point, if there's no other easy way to watch flash for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 64bit users without jumping through hoops (using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; nspluginwrapper, which is occasionally problematic, or using a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 32bit browser on an x86_64 system, which entails installing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; some more 32bit libs), there's a good chance they'll use flash
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 11, alpha/beta/rc is still better than the hoops.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Also we're talking about pushing it to backports, not updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we were all agreeing to raise confidence in backports.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we can also all agree that if Adobe say that's a beta
+</I>&gt;<i> version, they are likely more knowledgeable than us about this
+</I>&gt;<i> too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is the plugin supported by adobe ? Being still beta, I would say
+</I>&gt;<i> it is not for now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some of us may have forgot, but they did withdraw the 64 bits
+</I>&gt;<i> version plugin in the past with any communication, because it was
+</I>&gt;<i> insecure and unsupported, and already a beta version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can also agree that taking the same policy regarding
+</I>&gt;<i> backporting than at Mandriva will just yield the same result, ie
+</I>&gt;<i> saying &quot;it is not supported, so use it at your own risk&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And so, if we want to send the message &quot;backports are supported&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> we should just act accordingly, and not send unsupported
+</I>&gt;<i> softwares to it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The plugin may work fine now on the machine of everybody, it
+</I>&gt;<i> would still be unsupported by adobe.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If we want to send the message &#8220;backports are supported&#8221;, all we
+are actually able to guarantee is that they will be supported *by
+Mageia*. And this applies to ALL packages which originate from third
+parties, not just backports.
+
+We cannot guarantee that ANY package which is produced outside
+Mageia will continue to receive upstream support. Although it seems
+unlikely, it is entirely possible that any third party (Mozilla,
+KDE, Gnome, Adobe etc.) could close down before the EOL of the
+Mageia version in which the third party package is included.
+
+So, if someone *from Mageia* is prepared to support 64-bit Flash 11
+- including providing simple instructions for uninstalling it if it
+proves to cause problems or is a security risk - then I can see no
+reason why it should not be provided as a &quot;supported&quot; backport.
+
+--
+Margot
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+**Otford Ducks Computers**
+We teach, you learn...
+...and, if you don't do your homework, we set the cat on you!
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+<PRE>On 16.07.2011 15:17, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 16 July 2011 14:02, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 16 July 2011 11:11, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 15.07.2011 11:10, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but seems to work well, some questions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> improvement, IMHO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - For Cauldron:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> o Just x86_64 and keep the 32bit stable flash for now
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> o Keep the 32bit stable and create another spec (Name:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> flash-player-pluing11) for 11 beta1? this way 32bit users will have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> choice to install the version they want.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'd provide it as 'flash-player-plugin11' or 'flash-player-plugin-beta'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for both cauldron and mga1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I had started working on flash-player-plugin11 yesterday (based on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> current spec and the old PLF flash-player10.2).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've imported it in Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> @Anssi (since you worked on the flash spec the most), please review,
+</I>&gt;<i> feel free to fix anything I missed.
+</I>
+I removed an unwanted old obsoletes and made conflicts unversioned (as
+it indeed conflicts with all versions). Otherwise looks ok if it works.
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/16 Wolfgang Bornath&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Confirmed here as well. But it must be related to kernel change.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Booting with previous kernel = wifi works, booting with new kernel =
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wifi does not work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (The chip is recognized and I see the available access points but no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> connection possible)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> See also <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=782">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=782</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just tried it. After rebooting into Kernel-2.6.38.8 the applet is
+</I>&gt;<i> showing the status correct as online. Everything works.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After rebooting into kernel-3.0.0 gain, the applet shows the status as
+</I>&gt;<i> inactive, but wlan works. Since someone mentioned something about
+</I>&gt;<i> suspend, I tried that as well. After resume, there is no change here.
+</I>&gt;<i> The applet shows inactive, but the wlan works.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I wonder if we have some code somewhere checking for 2.6.* as the change
+to 3.0 (as in 2 numbers only) would trigger a lots of breakages, wich is
+why kernel identifies itself as 3.0.0 even if is 3.0
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+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I updated my system and it installed the latest kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> (2.6.38.8-desktop). When I rebooted the system it hung when starting
+</I>&gt;<i> udev. I shut down the system after 1 minute.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When I booted into kernel 2.6.38.7-desktop, udev started in less than 10
+</I>&gt;<i> seconds.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, neither kernel/udev created the /dev/dvd or /dev/sr0 symlinks.
+</I>&gt;<i> When I created the /dev/dvd symlink I had to change the permission of
+</I>&gt;<i> the original device to 0x666 from 0x660 so that the software could play
+</I>&gt;<i> the DVD.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is anyone else having this problem?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ouch,
+
+Can you try kernel-linus-2.6.38.8-1 to rule out (or not) additional
+patches in core kernel...
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+&gt;<i> On Monday 11 July 2011 21:46:33 Mageia Team wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : gtk+2.0 Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 2.24.5 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 6.mga2 Build Date: Mon Jul 11 21:15:24
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wally &lt;wally&gt; 2.24.5-6.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 122408
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix gir package requires (require libs)
+</I>&gt;<i> We should remove from repository lib(64)gtk+2.0-gir2.0-2.24.5-4.mga2. binary
+</I>&gt;<i> package.
+</I>
+Orphan packages (without a src.rpm in the repository) should be removed
+automatically after a few days, we have talked about this before. Maybe
+you should file a bug report about it if there isn't any yet.
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+<PRE>On 17 July 2011 13:09, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 16.07.2011 15:17, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 16 July 2011 14:02, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 16 July 2011 11:11, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 15.07.2011 11:10, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but seems to work well, some questions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> improvement, IMHO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - For Cauldron:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; o Just x86_64 and keep the 32bit stable flash for now
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; o Keep the 32bit stable and create another spec (Name:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> flash-player-pluing11) for 11 beta1? this way 32bit users will have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> choice to install the version they want.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'd provide it as 'flash-player-plugin11' or 'flash-player-plugin-beta'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for both cauldron and mga1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I had started working on flash-player-plugin11 yesterday (based on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> current spec and the old PLF flash-player10.2).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've imported it in Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @Anssi (since you worked on the flash spec the most), please review,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> feel free to fix anything I missed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I removed an unwanted old obsoletes and made conflicts unversioned (as
+</I>&gt;<i> it indeed conflicts with all versions). Otherwise looks ok if it works.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks for the review, it works AFAICS, I tested both x86_64 and i586.
+Submitting to Cauldron for now.
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+&gt;<i> tmb, I hate you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> making kernel-desktop-latest to point to
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2 instead of
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nope. It was intended, planned, tested and announced before:
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-July/006681.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-July/006681.html</A>
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+&gt;<i> there should have been something like kernel-desktop-latest3 for a
+</I>&gt;<i> while, to let people test that 3.0 thing (rc, right? I know this is
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron, but I'd still prefer a kernel that works) while still having a
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.6 kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You still have the 2.6.38.8 kernel installed so you can boot it if 3.0
+does not work.
+
+&gt;<i> this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically
+</I>&gt;<i> (now I have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will
+</I>&gt;<i> reboot, now I have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown
+</I>&gt;<i> it), bcm4311 doesn't work even with the correct firmware in
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib/firmware/b43, a fully-fledged pita.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Have you filed bugreports here or upstream ?
+
+&gt;<i> reverting to 2.6.38.8-5 brought back the joy (and the wireless internet).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but I suppose there won't be any update to the 2.6.38.8 kernel, right?
+</I>
+Nope.
+
+&gt;<i> even for an unstable thing like cauldron this is rather wrong, because
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.0.0 is not a released kernel as of yet. and a working kernel is a
+</I>&gt;<i> precondition to a working distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well it works here. (and for many other Cauldron users).
+
+and both i586 and x86_64 kernels were tested on a i7-860 workstation and
+on a Acer TravelMate 5720 laptop before submitting to the buildsystem...
+
+
+&gt;<i> forcing an rc-something as the current kernel is... unbenevolent
+</I>&gt;<i> dictatorship.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+There is no forcing...
+the old kernel is still installed so you can use it if you need.
+
+And if you dont like automatic kernel upgrades, uninstall kernel-*-latest
+
+
+&gt;<i> yeah, I know, fedora rawhide and kubuntu 11.10 also have this
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.0.0-rc7-crap sort of thing. so you can't have the latest packages
+</I>&gt;<i> (including the latest kde) w/o having a broken kernel. sigh.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but my message stands. tmb, I hate you for pushing this kernel as a
+</I>&gt;<i> forced update via kernel-desktop-latest.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks
+
+its always good to know my work is appreciated...
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+</I>&gt;<i> Ouch,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you try kernel-linus-2.6.38.8-1 to rule out (or not) additional
+</I>&gt;<i> patches in core kernel...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>
+Bug 1954
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1954">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1954</A>
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+Sounds like the same bug I reported against in Cauldren with 2.6.38.8
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+this morning it hasn't re appeared yet under 3.0 rc7.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Orphan packages (without a src.rpm in the repository) should be removed
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically after a few days, we have talked about this before. Maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> you should file a bug report about it if there isn't any yet.
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+&gt;<i> On Sunday 17 July 2011 14:02:59 Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Orphan packages (without a src.rpm in the repository) should be removed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> automatically after a few days, we have talked about this before. Maybe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you should file a bug report about it if there isn't any yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well i asked because urpmi allows me to choose between the 2 libgtk gir
+</I>&gt;<i> packages so an user could choose the wrong package eventually.
+</I>
+I guess obsoletes are needed for smooth upgrades of renamed packages.
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+&gt;<i>and both i586 and x86_64 kernels were tested on a i7-860 workstation and
+</I>&gt;<i>on a Acer TravelMate 5720&#160; laptop before submitting to the buildsystem...
+</I>
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+tmb, for the Wi-Fi issue, I identified the culprit.
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+With the 2.6.38 kernel, dkms-broadcom-wl was useless (Broadcom STA
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+is a hybrid driver, including a binary blob from upstream, but in Mageia
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+dkms-broadcom-wl is not like Ubuntu's broadcom-wl, it still asks for
+firmware, which is stupid, as STA is redistributable; eventually, I had to use
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+fw-cutter and to populate /lib/firmware/b43 with *.fw, so that BCM4311 rev.1
+works w/o dkms-broadcom-wl!).
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+With the 3.0.0 kernel, dkms-broadcom-wl tries to build a module after booting,
+but it doesn't work at all (I haven't checked what it does, whether it has the binary
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+blob or not, if it logs messages, etc.), and it blocks b43.
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+Uninstalling dkms-broadcom-wl still didn't fix the issue, but again, I have not investigated
+-- maybe there are some remnants or smth that impedes b43.
+
+Still, with the 3.0.0 kernel, my TravelMate 5310 fails to shutdown or reboot, when told
+so kdeinit4 takes 100% CPU and the system becomes unresponsive. Back to 2.6.38,
+everything is smooth again.
+
+Experimenting with various packages and their breakages is one thing, but the Linux
+kernel is my personal enemy, I hate the too many changes between one release and
+
+the next one, it's practically impossible to design &amp; run any relevant regression tests.
+
+If I were in charge with any distro's policy, I would be particularly conservative
+when comes to the kernel (e.g. slackware-current is still on 2.6.38.7)
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+&gt;<i>There is no forcing...
+</I>&gt;<i>the old kernel is still installed so you can use it if you need.
+</I>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>And if you dont like automatic kernel upgrades, uninstall kernel-*-latest
+</I>
+
+I did so, but w/o kernel-*-latest I suppose I won't get any kernel update at all?!
+This is not what I intended...
+
+
+&gt;<i>its always good to know my work is appreciated...
+</I>
+
+Your work in patching and packing and so on is one thing, and the policy of
+when the kernel goes and where it goes and what kind of kernel-*-latest
+
+metapackages exist is a different thing. I still believe that, even in cauldron,
+there should be 2 distinct kernel &quot;branches&quot;, not a unique kernel-*-latest path.
+(Maybe I'm influenced by the conservative way Slackware is approaching the kernels.)
+(Or maybe I'm just getting old.)
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:06, Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I thought I would post this because very likely some other user are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; experiencing this:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Afte upgrading a guest system from mandriva 2010.2 or older to cooker or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia, the system becomes very unresponsive after a random period or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; time (
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; just after boot up to 3 hours).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I've seen that, but just to confirm - the system was running kde,
+</I>&gt;<i> right?
+</I>Yes it was running KDE, but the problem wasn't with KDE, it did this even in
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+<PRE>hi,
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+i updated my cauldron box and when booting to runlevel 5, mouse +
+keyboard are unusable: they don't work at all. i have a usb mouse that
+doesn't work either - but unplugging it + replugging it makes it work.
+since i have a laptop, i cannot unplug keyboard + touchpad and then
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+booting to a non-5 runlevel works. however, running &quot;init 5&quot; triggers
+the problem once again - so it really seems related to xorg stack.
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+the problem is triggered whatever the kernel booted.
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+any idea on how to solve this?
+j&#233;r&#244;me
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+&gt;<i> i updated my cauldron box and when booting to runlevel 5, mouse +
+</I>&gt;<i> keyboard are unusable: they don't work at all. i have a usb mouse that
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't work either - but unplugging it + replugging it makes it work.
+</I>&gt;<i> since i have a laptop, i cannot unplug keyboard + touchpad and then
+</I>&gt;<i> replug them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> booting to a non-5 runlevel works. however, running &quot;init 5&quot; triggers
+</I>&gt;<i> the problem once again - so it really seems related to xorg stack.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the problem is triggered whatever the kernel booted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> any idea on how to solve this?
+</I>
+never mind. lib64udev was not updated due to incomplete transaction.
+forcing udev update by hand made it work fine.
+
+sorry for the noise,
+j&#233;r&#244;me
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+&gt;<i> So, if someone *from Mageia* is prepared to support 64-bit Flash 11
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+</I>&gt;<i> proves to cause problems or is a security risk - then I can see no
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011, Balcaen John wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sunday 17 July 2011 14:02:59 Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Orphan packages (without a src.rpm in the repository) should be removed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> automatically after a few days, we have talked about this before. Maybe
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you should file a bug report about it if there isn't any yet.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well i asked because urpmi allows me to choose between the 2 libgtk gir
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages so an user could choose the wrong package eventually.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess obsoletes are needed for smooth upgrades of renamed packages
+</I>
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+Sorry,
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+forgot to write about the removal to -sysadm ML. AFAICS the old package is
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+&gt;<i> Name : gnome-keyring Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 3.1.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 3.mga2 Build Date: Sun Jul 17 20:36:27 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Networking/Remote access Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 1921454 License: GPLv2+ and LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team&lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.gnome.org/">http://www.gnome.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Keyring and password manager for the GNOME desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-keyring is a program that keep password and other secrets for
+</I>&gt;<i> users. It is run as a damon in the session, similar to ssh-agent, and
+</I>&gt;<i> other applications can locate it by an environment variable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The program can manage several keyrings, each with its own master
+</I>&gt;<i> password, and there is also a session keyring which is never stored to
+</I>&gt;<i> disk, but forgotten when the session ends.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wally&lt;wally&gt; 3.1.1-3.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 125484
+</I>&gt;<i> - add patches from Fedora to improve fs capability checks
+</I>&gt;<i> - add missing BR
+</I>
+
+This one broke the BS...
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+&gt;<i> On 15.07.2011 11:10, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you've seen the thread, posted by Charles A Edwards, there's a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version of flash which has native 64bit support, it's still in beta
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but seems to work well, some questions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Any objections about offering it in mga1? on x86_64 only and keeping
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the 32bit stable one as is for now; not having to install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser on a 64bit system is an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> improvement, IMHO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - For Cauldron:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> o Just x86_64 and keep the 32bit stable flash for now
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> o Keep the 32bit stable and create another spec (Name:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> flash-player-pluing11) for 11 beta1? this way 32bit users will have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> choice to install the version they want.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd provide it as 'flash-player-plugin11' or 'flash-player-plugin-beta'
+</I>&gt;<i> for both cauldron and mga1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>+1
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+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> forgot to write about the removal to -sysadm ML. AFAICS the old package is
+</I>&gt;<i> already removed.
+</I>yep dmorgan did it.
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+<PRE>On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 07:37:26 -0700 (PDT), Radu-Cristian FOTESCU &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">beranger5ca at yahoo.ca</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;and both i586 and x86_64 kernels were tested on a i7-860 workstation and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;on a Acer TravelMate 5720&#160; laptop before submitting to the buildsystem...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;There is no forcing...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;the old kernel is still installed so you can use it if you need.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;And if you dont like automatic kernel upgrades, uninstall kernel-*-latest
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did so, but w/o kernel-*-latest I suppose I won't get any kernel update at all?!
+</I>&gt;<i> This is not what I intended...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;its always good to know my work is appreciated...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your work in patching and packing and so on is one thing, and the policy of
+</I>&gt;<i> when the kernel goes and where it goes and what kind of kernel-*-latest
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Two things:
+
+- would you have so much problems if all these things that broke happened
+ in 2.6.39.x ? Really, the 3.0.0 name is just cosmetics.
+ There are not so big changes between kernel releases these days.
+ Mageia has skipped 2.6.39, so you don't really know if it is 3.0 who
+ hanged behavior or it was introduced in 2.6.39.x. If it was, would you
+ say that 2.6.39 is an unstable kernel ? (the bunch of kernel developers
+ did not). I repeat, from 2.6.39 to 3.0.0 there are no more important
+ chages than from 2.6.38 to 2.6.39.
+
+&gt;<i> metapackages exist is a different thing. I still believe that, even in cauldron,
+</I>&gt;<i> there should be 2 distinct kernel &quot;branches&quot;, not a unique kernel-*-latest path.
+</I>
+- but in cauldron you have _infinte_ kernel branches, as no kernel is uninstalled
+ when you get a new one. The all stay there. The kernel-latest meta package
+ only assures you that you get the new one when it is released. If they
+ dissapear in your box, that is a separate bug.
+ Check you /etc/sysconfig/installkernel. There you can even say that the
+ new kernel is installed but not set as default (NOLINK).
+
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+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Winter is coming...
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+ <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B>
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+&gt;<i> Name : flash-player-plugin11 Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 11.0.1.60 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree Build Date: Sun Jul 17 14:05:18 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Networking/WWW Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 11376 License: Proprietary
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/">http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Flash Player plugin for browsers - 11 Beta 1 release
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Adobe Flash Player plugin for browsers. 11 Beta 1 release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> NOTE: This package does not contain the Flash Player itself. The
+</I>&gt;<i> software will be automatically downloaded from Adobe during package
+</I>&gt;<i> installation. Alternatively you can use the command
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;download-flash-player-plugin&quot; manually.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Installing this package indicates acceptance of the following documents:
+</I>&gt;<i> - Flash Player 11 License, <A HREF="http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/flashplayer11.html">http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/flashplayer11.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Adobe.com Terms of Use, <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_term_of_use">http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_term_of_use</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Adobe Online Privacy Policy, <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_privacy_policy">http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_privacy_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> anssi &lt;anssi&gt; 11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 125340
+</I>&gt;<i> - better obsoletes and conflicts
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + ahmad &lt;ahmad&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package flash-player-plugin11
+</I>
+Why does it try to pull phonon and half KDE ?
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+JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Why does it try to pull phonon and half KDE ?
+</I>
+Because in addition to the needed libflashplayer.so the adobe installer
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+/usr/share/kde4/services/kcm_adobe_flash_player.desktop
+not to mention icons, a generic desktop file, and a properties
+executable
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+Twenty Percent of Zero is Better than Nothing.
+ -- Walt Kelly
+----------------------
+Mandriva Linux release 2012.0 (Cooker) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+Registered Linux user #182463
+2.6.38.7-tmb-server-1mdv x86_64
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+<PRE>2011/7/17 Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Mageia Team skrev 17.7.2011 21:41:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: gnome-keyring &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 3.1.1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 3.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Sun Jul 17
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 20:36:27 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Networking/Remote access &#160; &#160; &#160;Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 1921454 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: GPLv2+ and LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team&lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://www.gnome.org/">http://www.gnome.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Keyring and password manager for the GNOME desktop
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-keyring is a program that keep password and other secrets for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> users. It is run as a damon in the session, similar to ssh-agent, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other applications can locate it by an environment variable.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The program can manage several keyrings, each with its own master
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> password, and there is also a session keyring which is never stored to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> disk, but forgotten when the session ends.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wally&lt;wally&gt; &#160;3.1.1-3.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 125484
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add patches from Fedora to improve fs capability checks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add missing BR
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This one broke the BS...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Dmorgan restored the old .rpm and the BS is OK now.
+
+Lets try a bit different approach to get working keyring. Hope -4.mga2
+won't broke the BS..
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+I wanted to share the method I use when I need to push a new package (new =
+missing from Mageia 1) from cauldron to Mageia 1 updates. This concerns only
+packages available in Mandriva 2010.2 but absent from Mageia 1.
+
+I'm sharing for 2 reasons :
+- maybe I'm doing it wrong, so you can comment and maybe give me better instructions
+- it can be of use, the way I do it or the way I will be told to do :)
+
+Here is my procedure :
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+svn cp svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/PACKAGENAME">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/PACKAGENAME</A> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/updates/1/PACKAGENAME">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/updates/1/PACKAGENAME</A>
+(with comment &quot;Add PACKAGENAME to Mageia 1&quot;)
+svn mkdir svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/updates/1/putty">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/updates/1/putty</A>
+(with comment &quot;Add PACKAGENAME&quot;)
+mgarepo co 1/PACKAGENAME
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+cp PATH_TO_BINARY_SOURCE_FILES_IN_CAULDRON SOURCES/
+mgarepo sync -c #uploads the source files to binrepo
+vi SPECS/PACKAGENAME.spec #update release and add subrel
+mgarepo submit -t 1 --define section=core/updates_testing
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+For release and subrel, usually a new package would have release 0 and subrel
+1, but to allow migration from mandriva, I set a higher release that in
+mandriva 2010.2 if the version is the same, + subrel 1, then increase it in cauldron too so
+that it's higher than in Mageia 1.
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+of the package becoming not upgradable to the version in the n+1 distribution.
+If cauldron has release 5.mga2 and updates has 5.mga1, it looks safe, but as
+soon as we'll fix a bug in mga1, release will become 5.1.mga1 which is higher
+than 5.mga2. That's why, for security, I would set the release in cauldron to
+6.mga2 so that we can increase the subrel at will in mga1.
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+<PRE>&#22312; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 05:39:25 +0800, Charles A Edwards
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">CAE at eslrahc.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 23:04:46 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why does it try to pull phonon and half KDE ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because in addition to the needed libflashplayer.so the adobe installer
+</I>&gt;<i> includes
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+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/kde4/services/kcm_adobe_flash_player.desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> not to mention icons, a generic desktop file, and a properties
+</I>&gt;<i> executable
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I have read that in this version, flash player included a special module of
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 14:06:12 +0200 (CEST), Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : flash-player-plugin11 Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 11.0.1.60 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree Build Date: Sun Jul 17 14:05:18 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group : Networking/WWW Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 11376 License: Proprietary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/">http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : Flash Player plugin for browsers - 11 Beta 1 release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Adobe Flash Player plugin for browsers. 11 Beta 1 release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> NOTE: This package does not contain the Flash Player itself. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software will be automatically downloaded from Adobe during package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installation. Alternatively you can use the command
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;download-flash-player-plugin&quot; manually.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Installing this package indicates acceptance of the following documents:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Flash Player 11 License, <A HREF="http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/flashplayer11.html">http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/flashplayer11.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Adobe.com Terms of Use, <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_term_of_use">http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_term_of_use</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Adobe Online Privacy Policy, <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_privacy_policy">http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_privacy_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anssi &lt;anssi&gt; 11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 125340
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - better obsoletes and conflicts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + ahmad &lt;ahmad&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - imported package flash-player-plugin11
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why does it try to pull phonon and half KDE ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Fixed and resubmitted, thanks.
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+i have started a wiki page to list the features that have been allowed
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+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=featuresmageia2">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=featuresmageia2</A>
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+Please update it by only with features accepted for mageia 2. For each
+feature you can create a page that we can link in the featuresmageia2
+page.
+Each page for each feature can help us to track features.
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+This new page can be seen as a complement of
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</A> but
+with an array, organization, ...
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+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification,">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification,</A> maybe
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+<PRE>&#22312; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 06:48:14 +0800, Anssi Hannula
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:&gt;
+&gt;<i> Fixed and resubmitted, thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Oops..If you removes the dependency, then the KCM module would failed.
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+Error message:
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+Unable to load
+/usr/lib64/kde4/kcm_adobe_flash_player.so:(libkutils.so.4:.......)
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+I'm using traditional chinese, so I just guess the word in English.
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+On 07/17/2011 05:02 AM, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> Can you try kernel-linus-2.6.38.8-1 to rule out (or not) additional
+</I>&gt;<i> patches in core kernel...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
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+It still happens with the vanilla kernel.
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+Also, the vanilla kernel doesn't like my dual head. The screen is too
+large. Thank you to whoever modified the kernel to work with a screen
+size of 2704x1050.
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+- --Jeff
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+On 07/17/2011 06:20 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
+&gt;<i> Bug 1954
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1954">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1954</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sounds like the same bug I reported against in Cauldren with 2.6.38.8
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can confirm not seeing the bug here under 2.6.38.7 and having updated
+</I>&gt;<i> this morning it hasn't re appeared yet under 3.0 rc7.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Brian Smith
+</I>
+Is there a nice rpm I can easily download and use for the 3.0 kernel,
+otherwise what is the location for the media so that I can add it?
+
+Thank you,
+
+Jeff
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 18 July 2011 00:48, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 18.07.2011 00:04, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 14:06:12 +0200 (CEST), Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: flash-player-plugin11 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 11.0.1.60 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree &#160; &#160;Build Date: Sun Jul 17 14:05:18 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: jonund
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Networking/WWW &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 11376 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: Proprietary
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/">http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Flash Player plugin for browsers - 11 Beta 1 release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Adobe Flash Player plugin for browsers. 11 Beta 1 release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> NOTE: This package does not contain the Flash Player itself. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software will be automatically downloaded from Adobe during package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installation. Alternatively you can use the command
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;download-flash-player-plugin&quot; manually.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installing this package indicates acceptance of the following documents:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Flash Player 11 License, <A HREF="http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/flashplayer11.html">http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/flashplayer11.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Adobe.com Terms of Use, <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_term_of_use">http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_term_of_use</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Adobe Online Privacy Policy, <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_privacy_policy">http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_privacy_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> anssi &lt;anssi&gt; 11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 125340
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - better obsoletes and conflicts
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; + ahmad &lt;ahmad&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; - imported package flash-player-plugin11
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why does it try to pull phonon and half KDE ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fixed and resubmitted, thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+lib*kutils4 should be a suggests at least otherwise opening &quot;Global
+Settings&quot; from the right click menu on any e.g. youtube video will
+complain about the missing lib.
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+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 17 July 2011 23:43, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wanted to share the method I use when I need to push a new package (new =
+</I>&gt;<i> missing from Mageia 1) from cauldron to Mageia 1 updates. This concerns only
+</I>&gt;<i> packages available in Mandriva 2010.2 but absent from Mageia 1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm sharing for 2 reasons :
+</I>&gt;<i> - maybe I'm doing it wrong, so you can comment and maybe give me better instructions
+</I>&gt;<i> - it can be of use, the way I do it or the way I will be told to do :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is my procedure :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> svn cp svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/PACKAGENAME">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/PACKAGENAME</A> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/updates/1/PACKAGENAME">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/updates/1/PACKAGENAME</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> (with comment &quot;Add PACKAGENAME to Mageia 1&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> svn mkdir svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/updates/1/putty">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/updates/1/putty</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> (with comment &quot;Add PACKAGENAME&quot;)
+</I>
+'svn mkdir' step is redundant, 'mgarepo sync -c' will automatically
+create the binrepos/updates/1/$pkg-name.
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+&gt;<i> mgarepo co 1/PACKAGENAME
+</I>&gt;<i> cd PACKAGENAME
+</I>&gt;<i> cp PATH_TO_BINARY_SOURCE_FILES_IN_CAULDRON SOURCES/
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo sync -c #uploads the source files to binrepo
+</I>&gt;<i> vi SPECS/PACKAGENAME.spec #update release and add subrel
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo submit -t 1 --define section=core/updates_testing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For release and subrel, usually a new package would have release 0 and subrel
+</I>&gt;<i> 1, but to allow migration from mandriva, I set a higher release that in
+</I>&gt;<i> mandriva 2010.2 if the version is the same, + subrel 1, then increase it in cauldron too so
+</I>&gt;<i> that it's higher than in Mageia 1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do that to be safe : the point of subrel is to be increased without any risk
+</I>&gt;<i> of the package becoming not upgradable to the version in the n+1 distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i> If cauldron has release 5.mga2 and updates has 5.mga1, it looks safe, but as
+</I>&gt;<i> soon as we'll fix a bug in mga1, release will become 5.1.mga1 which is higher
+</I>&gt;<i> than 5.mga2. That's why, for security, I would set the release in cauldron to
+</I>&gt;<i> 6.mga2 so that we can increase the subrel at will in mga1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comments ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Jeff Robins at 18/07/11 01:34 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 07/17/2011 06:20 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bug 1954
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1954">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1954</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sounds like the same bug I reported against in Cauldren with 2.6.38.8
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can confirm not seeing the bug here under 2.6.38.7 and having updated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this morning it hasn't re appeared yet under 3.0 rc7.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Brian Smith
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there a nice rpm I can easily download and use for the 3.0 kernel,
+</I>&gt;<i> otherwise what is the location for the media so that I can add it?
+</I>
+It's in the core repository. It's just the latest version of the kernel
+package. A normal update of cauldron will bring it in by default.
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
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+<PRE>On 18 July 2011 10:36, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Jeff Robins at 18/07/11 01:34 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 07/17/2011 06:20 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Bug 1954
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1954">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1954</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sounds like the same bug I reported against in Cauldren with 2.6.38.8
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I can confirm not seeing the bug here under 2.6.38.7 and having updated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this morning it hasn't re appeared yet under 3.0 rc7.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Brian Smith
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there a nice rpm I can easily download and use for the 3.0 kernel,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> otherwise what is the location for the media so that I can add it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's in the core repository. It's just the latest version of the kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> package. A normal update of cauldron will bring it in by default.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+(I think Jeff is using mga1, not Cauldron).
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 18 juillet 2011 10:11:32, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Name : mplayer Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2 Build Date: Mon Jul 18 09:51:27
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Video Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 8890529 License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.mplayerhq.hu">http://www.mplayerhq.hu</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Movie player for linux
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> MPlayer is a movie player for LINUX (runs on many other Unices, and
+</I>&gt;<i> non-x86 CPUs, see the documentation). It plays most MPEG, VOB, AVI,
+</I>&gt;<i> VIVO, ASF/WMV, QT/MOV, FLI, NuppelVideo, yuv4mpeg, FILM, RoQ, and some
+</I>&gt;<i> RealMedia files, supported by many native, XAnim, and Win32 DLL codecs.
+</I>&gt;<i> You can watch VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, 3ivx, FLI, and even DivX movies too
+</I>&gt;<i> (and you don't need the avifile library at all!). The another big
+</I>&gt;<i> feature of mplayer is the wide range of supported output drivers. It
+</I>&gt;<i> works with X11, Xv, DGA, OpenGL, SVGAlib, fbdev, AAlib, but you can use
+</I>&gt;<i> SDL (and this way all drivers of SDL), VESA (on every VESA compatible
+</I>&gt;<i> card, even without X!), and some lowlevel card-specific drivers (for
+</I>&gt;<i> Matrox, 3Dfx and Radeon) too! Most of them supports software or hardware
+</I>&gt;<i> scaling, so you can enjoy movies in fullscreen. MPlayer supports
+</I>&gt;<i> displaying through some hardware MPEG decoder boards, such as the DVB
+</I>&gt;<i> and DXR3/Hollywood+! And what about the nice big antialiased shaded
+</I>&gt;<i> subtitles (9 supported types!!!) with european/ISO 8859-1,2 (hungarian,
+</I>&gt;<i> english, czech, etc), cyrillic, korean fonts, and OSD?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note: If you want to play Real content, you need to have the content
+</I>&gt;<i> of RealPlayer's Codecs directory in /usr/lib64/codecs/
+</I>
+Is it ok to have such a path (/usr/lib64/codecs/) in a summary ?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 125857
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for new dfb
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">samuel.verschelde at pmsipilot.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 18 juillet 2011 10:11:32, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: mplayer &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 1.0 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Date: Mon Jul 18 09:51:27
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Video &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 8890529 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://www.mplayerhq.hu">http://www.mplayerhq.hu</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Movie player for linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MPlayer is a movie player for LINUX (runs on many other Unices, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-x86 CPUs, see the documentation). It plays most MPEG, VOB, AVI,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> VIVO, ASF/WMV, QT/MOV, FLI, NuppelVideo, yuv4mpeg, FILM, RoQ, and some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> RealMedia files, supported by many native, XAnim, and Win32 DLL codecs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can watch VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, 3ivx, FLI, and even DivX movies too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (and you don't need the avifile library at all!). The another big
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> feature of mplayer is the wide range of supported output drivers. It
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> works with X11, Xv, DGA, OpenGL, SVGAlib, fbdev, AAlib, but you can use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> SDL (and this way all drivers of SDL), VESA (on every VESA compatible
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> card, even without X!), and some lowlevel card-specific drivers (for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Matrox, 3Dfx and Radeon) too! Most of them supports software or hardware
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> scaling, so you can enjoy movies in fullscreen. MPlayer supports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> displaying through some hardware MPEG decoder boards, such as the DVB
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and DXR3/Hollywood+! And what about the nice big antialiased shaded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> subtitles (9 supported types!!!) with european/ISO 8859-1,2 (hungarian,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> english, czech, etc), cyrillic, korean fonts, and OSD?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note: If you want to play Real content, you need to have the content
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of RealPlayer's Codecs directory in /usr/lib64/codecs/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it ok to have such a path (/usr/lib64/codecs/) in a summary ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, because it's /usr/lib64/ in the x86_64 package and /usr/lib/ in
+the i586 one.
+
+(I think the email to the changelog ML resolves %_libdir/ depending on
+the machine that generated the email, not sure though).
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 125857
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new dfb
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> On 18 July 2011 00:48, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 18.07.2011 00:04, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 14:06:12 +0200 (CEST), Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : flash-player-plugin11 Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 11.0.1.60 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree Build Date: Sun Jul 17 14:05:18 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group : Networking/WWW Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 11376 License: Proprietary
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/">http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : Flash Player plugin for browsers - 11 Beta 1 release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Adobe Flash Player plugin for browsers. 11 Beta 1 release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> NOTE: This package does not contain the Flash Player itself. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software will be automatically downloaded from Adobe during package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installation. Alternatively you can use the command
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;download-flash-player-plugin&quot; manually.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installing this package indicates acceptance of the following documents:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Flash Player 11 License, <A HREF="http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/flashplayer11.html">http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/flashplayer11.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Adobe.com Terms of Use, <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_term_of_use">http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_term_of_use</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Adobe Online Privacy Policy, <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_privacy_policy">http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_privacy_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> anssi &lt;anssi&gt; 11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 125340
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - better obsoletes and conflicts
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + ahmad &lt;ahmad&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - imported package flash-player-plugin11
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Why does it try to pull phonon and half KDE ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Fixed and resubmitted, thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> lib*kutils4 should be a suggests at least otherwise opening &quot;Global
+</I>&gt;<i> Settings&quot; from the right click menu on any e.g. youtube video will
+</I>&gt;<i> complain about the missing lib.
+</I>
+Trrh, we don't want flash player suggesting kde.
+
+Does it complain about this if one removes the kcm module?
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+&gt;<i> On 18 July 2011 10:51, Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">samuel.verschelde at pmsipilot.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 18 juillet 2011 10:11:32, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : mplayer Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 1.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2 Build Date: Mon Jul 18 09:51:27
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group : Video Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 8890529 License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.mplayerhq.hu">http://www.mplayerhq.hu</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : Movie player for linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> MPlayer is a movie player for LINUX (runs on many other Unices, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> non-x86 CPUs, see the documentation). It plays most MPEG, VOB, AVI,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> VIVO, ASF/WMV, QT/MOV, FLI, NuppelVideo, yuv4mpeg, FILM, RoQ, and some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> RealMedia files, supported by many native, XAnim, and Win32 DLL codecs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You can watch VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, 3ivx, FLI, and even DivX movies too
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (and you don't need the avifile library at all!). The another big
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> feature of mplayer is the wide range of supported output drivers. It
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> works with X11, Xv, DGA, OpenGL, SVGAlib, fbdev, AAlib, but you can use
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> SDL (and this way all drivers of SDL), VESA (on every VESA compatible
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> card, even without X!), and some lowlevel card-specific drivers (for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Matrox, 3Dfx and Radeon) too! Most of them supports software or hardware
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> scaling, so you can enjoy movies in fullscreen. MPlayer supports
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> displaying through some hardware MPEG decoder boards, such as the DVB
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and DXR3/Hollywood+! And what about the nice big antialiased shaded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> subtitles (9 supported types!!!) with european/ISO 8859-1,2 (hungarian,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> english, czech, etc), cyrillic, korean fonts, and OSD?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Note: If you want to play Real content, you need to have the content
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of RealPlayer's Codecs directory in /usr/lib64/codecs/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it ok to have such a path (/usr/lib64/codecs/) in a summary ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, because it's /usr/lib64/ in the x86_64 package and /usr/lib/ in
+</I>&gt;<i> the i586 one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (I think the email to the changelog ML resolves %_libdir/ depending on
+</I>&gt;<i> the machine that generated the email, not sure though).
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 18 juillet 2011 10:11:32, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : mplayer Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version : 1.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Release : 1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2 Build Date: Mon Jul 18 09:51:27
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Group : Video Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Size : 8890529 License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; URL : <A HREF="http://www.mplayerhq.hu">http://www.mplayerhq.hu</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary : Movie player for linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; MPlayer is a movie player for LINUX (runs on many other Unices, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; non-x86 CPUs, see the documentation). It plays most MPEG, VOB, AVI,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; VIVO, ASF/WMV, QT/MOV, FLI, NuppelVideo, yuv4mpeg, FILM, RoQ, and some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; RealMedia files, supported by many native, XAnim, and Win32 DLL codecs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You can watch VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, 3ivx, FLI, and even DivX movies too
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (and you don't need the avifile library at all!). The another big
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; feature of mplayer is the wide range of supported output drivers. It
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; works with X11, Xv, DGA, OpenGL, SVGAlib, fbdev, AAlib, but you can use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; SDL (and this way all drivers of SDL), VESA (on every VESA compatible
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; card, even without X!), and some lowlevel card-specific drivers (for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Matrox, 3Dfx and Radeon) too! Most of them supports software or hardware
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; scaling, so you can enjoy movies in fullscreen. MPlayer supports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; displaying through some hardware MPEG decoder boards, such as the DVB
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and DXR3/Hollywood+! And what about the nice big antialiased shaded
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; subtitles (9 supported types!!!) with european/ISO 8859-1,2 (hungarian,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; english, czech, etc), cyrillic, korean fonts, and OSD?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Note: If you want to play Real content, you need to have the content
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of RealPlayer's Codecs directory in /usr/lib64/codecs/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it ok to have such a path (/usr/lib64/codecs/) in a summary ?
+</I>
+I am not sure people would expect the summary to give such informations.
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+I guess the whole description could be improved ( like, removing
+acronyms, removing mention to 3dfx, removing '!!!' , etc ).
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+<PRE>Le lundi 18 juillet 2011 11:26:34, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 18 July 2011 10:51, Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">samuel.verschelde at pmsipilot.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 18 juillet 2011 10:11:32, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Name : mplayer Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; relocatable) Version : 1.0 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia.Org Release : 1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2 Build Date: Mon
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Jul 18 09:51:27 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Host: ecosse Group : Video Source RPM:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Size : 8890529 License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; URL : <A HREF="http://www.mplayerhq.hu">http://www.mplayerhq.hu</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Summary : Movie player for linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; MPlayer is a movie player for LINUX (runs on many other Unices, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; non-x86 CPUs, see the documentation). It plays most MPEG, VOB, AVI,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; VIVO, ASF/WMV, QT/MOV, FLI, NuppelVideo, yuv4mpeg, FILM, RoQ, and some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; RealMedia files, supported by many native, XAnim, and Win32 DLL codecs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; You can watch VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, 3ivx, FLI, and even DivX movies too
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (and you don't need the avifile library at all!). The another big
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; feature of mplayer is the wide range of supported output drivers. It
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; works with X11, Xv, DGA, OpenGL, SVGAlib, fbdev, AAlib, but you can use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; SDL (and this way all drivers of SDL), VESA (on every VESA compatible
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; card, even without X!), and some lowlevel card-specific drivers (for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Matrox, 3Dfx and Radeon) too! Most of them supports software or hardware
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; scaling, so you can enjoy movies in fullscreen. MPlayer supports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; displaying through some hardware MPEG decoder boards, such as the DVB
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and DXR3/Hollywood+! And what about the nice big antialiased shaded
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; subtitles (9 supported types!!!) with european/ISO 8859-1,2 (hungarian,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; english, czech, etc), cyrillic, korean fonts, and OSD?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Note: If you want to play Real content, you need to have the content
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; of RealPlayer's Codecs directory in /usr/lib64/codecs/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is it ok to have such a path (/usr/lib64/codecs/) in a summary ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, because it's /usr/lib64/ in the x86_64 package and /usr/lib/ in
+</I>&gt;<i> the i586 one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (I think the email to the changelog ML resolves %_libdir/ depending on
+</I>&gt;<i> the machine that generated the email, not sure though).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'm not fond of descriptions changing according to the arch, it makes my life
+harder in madb where I need one description per package name (tainted packages
+are already problematic in this regard) :)
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+Samuel
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 18 juillet 2011 11:26:34, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 18 July 2011 10:51, Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">samuel.verschelde at pmsipilot.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 18 juillet 2011 10:11:32, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: mplayer &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; relocatable) Version &#160; &#160; : 1.0 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia.Org Release &#160; &#160; : 1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Date: Mon
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Jul 18 09:51:27 2011 Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Host: ecosse Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Video &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Source RPM:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 8890529 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://www.mplayerhq.hu">http://www.mplayerhq.hu</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Summary &#160; &#160; : Movie player for linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; MPlayer is a movie player for LINUX (runs on many other Unices, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; non-x86 CPUs, see the documentation). It plays most MPEG, VOB, AVI,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; VIVO, ASF/WMV, QT/MOV, FLI, NuppelVideo, yuv4mpeg, FILM, RoQ, and some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; RealMedia files, supported by many native, XAnim, and Win32 DLL codecs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; You can watch VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, 3ivx, FLI, and even DivX movies too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (and you don't need the avifile library at all!). The another big
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; feature of mplayer is the wide range of supported output drivers. It
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; works with X11, Xv, DGA, OpenGL, SVGAlib, fbdev, AAlib, but you can use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; SDL (and this way all drivers of SDL), VESA (on every VESA compatible
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; card, even without X!), and some lowlevel card-specific drivers (for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Matrox, 3Dfx and Radeon) too! Most of them supports software or hardware
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; scaling, so you can enjoy movies in fullscreen. MPlayer supports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; displaying through some hardware MPEG decoder boards, such as the DVB
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and DXR3/Hollywood+! And what about the nice big antialiased shaded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; subtitles (9 supported types!!!) with european/ISO 8859-1,2 (hungarian,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; english, czech, etc), cyrillic, korean fonts, and OSD?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Note: If you want to play Real content, you need to have the content
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; of RealPlayer's Codecs directory in /usr/lib64/codecs/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Is it ok to have such a path (/usr/lib64/codecs/) in a summary ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, because it's /usr/lib64/ in the x86_64 package and /usr/lib/ in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the i586 one.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (I think the email to the changelog ML resolves %_libdir/ depending on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the machine that generated the email, not sure though).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not fond of descriptions changing according to the arch, it makes my life
+</I>&gt;<i> harder in madb where I need one description per package name (tainted packages
+</I>&gt;<i> are already problematic in this regard) :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+ Whether this causes problems for other tools or not, that bit of the
+description is giving users useful info.
+
+Maybe it can be moved to a README.urpmi, Anssi?
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+<PRE>On 18 July 2011 11:31, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 18.07.2011 08:20, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 18 July 2011 00:48, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 18.07.2011 00:04, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 14:06:12 +0200 (CEST), Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: flash-player-plugin11 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 11.0.1.60 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree &#160; &#160;Build Date: Sun Jul 17 14:05:18 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: jonund
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Networking/WWW &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 11376 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: Proprietary
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/">http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Flash Player plugin for browsers - 11 Beta 1 release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Adobe Flash Player plugin for browsers. 11 Beta 1 release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> NOTE: This package does not contain the Flash Player itself. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software will be automatically downloaded from Adobe during package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installation. Alternatively you can use the command
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;download-flash-player-plugin&quot; manually.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installing this package indicates acceptance of the following documents:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Flash Player 11 License, <A HREF="http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/flashplayer11.html">http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/flashplayer11.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Adobe.com Terms of Use, <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_term_of_use">http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_term_of_use</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Adobe Online Privacy Policy, <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_privacy_policy">http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_privacy_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> anssi &lt;anssi&gt; 11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 125340
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - better obsoletes and conflicts
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; + ahmad &lt;ahmad&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; - imported package flash-player-plugin11
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Why does it try to pull phonon and half KDE ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Fixed and resubmitted, thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib*kutils4 should be a suggests at least otherwise opening &quot;Global
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Settings&quot; from the right click menu on any e.g. youtube video will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> complain about the missing lib.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Trrh, we don't want flash player suggesting kde.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Agreed.
+
+&gt;<i> Does it complain about this if one removes the kcm module?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I tested a while ago, we'd have to remove both the kcm module .so and
+.desktop files; I am OK with that, the GTK+ tool provides the same
+exact functionalities and is desktop-agnostic (i.e. it won't pull any
+extra deps AFAICS).
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 18/07/11 12:01 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Does it complain about this if one removes the kcm module?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I tested a while ago, we'd have to remove both the kcm module .so and
+</I>&gt;<i> .desktop files; I am OK with that, the GTK+ tool provides the same
+</I>&gt;<i> exact functionalities and is desktop-agnostic (i.e. it won't pull any
+</I>&gt;<i> extra deps AFAICS).
+</I>
+I presume this is all just going into a flash-player-kde package rather
+than nuked completely?
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+<PRE>Le lundi 18 juillet 2011 &#224; 13:57 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 18 July 2011 12:45, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 18 juillet 2011 11:26:34, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 18 July 2011 10:51, Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">samuel.verschelde at pmsipilot.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Le lundi 18 juillet 2011 10:11:32, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Name : mplayer Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; relocatable) Version : 1.0 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Mageia.Org Release : 1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2 Build Date: Mon
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Jul 18 09:51:27 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Host: ecosse Group : Video Source RPM:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Size : 8890529 License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; URL : <A HREF="http://www.mplayerhq.hu">http://www.mplayerhq.hu</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Summary : Movie player for linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; MPlayer is a movie player for LINUX (runs on many other Unices, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; non-x86 CPUs, see the documentation). It plays most MPEG, VOB, AVI,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; VIVO, ASF/WMV, QT/MOV, FLI, NuppelVideo, yuv4mpeg, FILM, RoQ, and some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; RealMedia files, supported by many native, XAnim, and Win32 DLL codecs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; You can watch VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, 3ivx, FLI, and even DivX movies too
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; (and you don't need the avifile library at all!). The another big
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; feature of mplayer is the wide range of supported output drivers. It
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; works with X11, Xv, DGA, OpenGL, SVGAlib, fbdev, AAlib, but you can use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; SDL (and this way all drivers of SDL), VESA (on every VESA compatible
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; card, even without X!), and some lowlevel card-specific drivers (for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Matrox, 3Dfx and Radeon) too! Most of them supports software or hardware
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; scaling, so you can enjoy movies in fullscreen. MPlayer supports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; displaying through some hardware MPEG decoder boards, such as the DVB
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and DXR3/Hollywood+! And what about the nice big antialiased shaded
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; subtitles (9 supported types!!!) with european/ISO 8859-1,2 (hungarian,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; english, czech, etc), cyrillic, korean fonts, and OSD?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Note: If you want to play Real content, you need to have the content
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; of RealPlayer's Codecs directory in /usr/lib64/codecs/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Is it ok to have such a path (/usr/lib64/codecs/) in a summary ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Yes, because it's /usr/lib64/ in the x86_64 package and /usr/lib/ in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the i586 one.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (I think the email to the changelog ML resolves %_libdir/ depending on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the machine that generated the email, not sure though).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm not fond of descriptions changing according to the arch, it makes my life
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; harder in madb where I need one description per package name (tainted packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; are already problematic in this regard) :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Whether this causes problems for other tools or not, that bit of the
+</I>&gt;<i> description is giving users useful info.
+</I>
+Isn't it sufficient to install real-codecs for that ?
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 18 juillet 2011 &#224; 13:57 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 18 July 2011 12:45, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 18 juillet 2011 11:26:34, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 18 July 2011 10:51, Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">samuel.verschelde at pmsipilot.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Le lundi 18 juillet 2011 10:11:32, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: mplayer &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; relocatable) Version &#160; &#160; : 1.0 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Mageia.Org Release &#160; &#160; : 1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Date: Mon
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Jul 18 09:51:27 2011 Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Host: ecosse Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Video &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Source RPM:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 8890529 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://www.mplayerhq.hu">http://www.mplayerhq.hu</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Summary &#160; &#160; : Movie player for linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; MPlayer is a movie player for LINUX (runs on many other Unices, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; non-x86 CPUs, see the documentation). It plays most MPEG, VOB, AVI,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; VIVO, ASF/WMV, QT/MOV, FLI, NuppelVideo, yuv4mpeg, FILM, RoQ, and some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; RealMedia files, supported by many native, XAnim, and Win32 DLL codecs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; You can watch VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, 3ivx, FLI, and even DivX movies too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; (and you don't need the avifile library at all!). The another big
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; feature of mplayer is the wide range of supported output drivers. It
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; works with X11, Xv, DGA, OpenGL, SVGAlib, fbdev, AAlib, but you can use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; SDL (and this way all drivers of SDL), VESA (on every VESA compatible
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; card, even without X!), and some lowlevel card-specific drivers (for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Matrox, 3Dfx and Radeon) too! Most of them supports software or hardware
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; scaling, so you can enjoy movies in fullscreen. MPlayer supports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; displaying through some hardware MPEG decoder boards, such as the DVB
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and DXR3/Hollywood+! And what about the nice big antialiased shaded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; subtitles (9 supported types!!!) with european/ISO 8859-1,2 (hungarian,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; english, czech, etc), cyrillic, korean fonts, and OSD?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Note: If you want to play Real content, you need to have the content
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; of RealPlayer's Codecs directory in /usr/lib64/codecs/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Is it ok to have such a path (/usr/lib64/codecs/) in a summary ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Yes, because it's /usr/lib64/ in the x86_64 package and /usr/lib/ in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the i586 one.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (I think the email to the changelog ML resolves %_libdir/ depending on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the machine that generated the email, not sure though).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I'm not fond of descriptions changing according to the arch, it makes my life
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; harder in madb where I need one description per package name (tainted packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; are already problematic in this regard) :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Whether this causes problems for other tools or not, that bit of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> description is giving users useful info.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't it sufficient to install real-codecs for that ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Do we have real-codecs in the distro repos?
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+&gt;<i> ( also, is there still people using real codecs nowadays ? )
+</I>
+No idea; you'd probably need to create a poll on the forum to find out.
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>On 18 July 2011 13:33, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 18/07/11 12:01 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Does it complain about this if one removes the kcm module?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I tested a while ago, we'd have to remove both the kcm module .so and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> .desktop files; I am OK with that, the GTK+ tool provides the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> exact functionalities and is desktop-agnostic (i.e. it won't pull any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> extra deps AFAICS).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I presume this is all just going into a flash-player-kde package rather
+</I>&gt;<i> than nuked completely?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Could be, yes; but that -kde package won't be suggested by the main
+package so as not to suggest have of kde core libs/packages...
+
+&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
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+&gt;<i> On 18 July 2011 13:33, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 18/07/11 12:01 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Does it complain about this if one removes the kcm module?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I tested a while ago, we'd have to remove both the kcm module .so and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> .desktop files; I am OK with that, the GTK+ tool provides the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> exact functionalities and is desktop-agnostic (i.e. it won't pull any
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> extra deps AFAICS).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I presume this is all just going into a flash-player-kde package rather
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> than nuked completely?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could be, yes; but that -kde package won't be suggested by the main
+</I>&gt;<i> package so as not to suggest have of kde core libs/packages...
+</I>
+Indeedy :)
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 18/07/11 12:01 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Does it complain about this if one removes the kcm module?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I tested a while ago, we'd have to remove both the kcm module .so and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; .desktop files; I am OK with that, the GTK+ tool provides the same
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; exact functionalities and is desktop-agnostic (i.e. it won't pull any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; extra deps AFAICS).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I presume this is all just going into a flash-player-kde package rather
+</I>&gt;<i> than nuked completely?
+</I>Is it possible to create this package on the fly?
+because last time we talked about that on the bug report (
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275</A> ) it was not.
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 7 juillet 2011 14:42:18, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Damien Lallement wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; security, qa and sysadmin team worked on the qa/updates process to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; provide updates as soon as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; All is now ready (boklm is finalizing a scrip to move updates from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;testing&quot; to &quot;updates&quot;). This script will be uses by security team
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; members and a few QA people to push updates.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You can now read:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_updates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_updates</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have some questions about updates process :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The page says to assign bug after validation :
+</I>&gt;<i> Assign the bug to <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">security at groups.mageia.org</A> if it's a security update
+</I>&gt;<i> (check that <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">qa-bugs at ml.mageia.org</A> is in 'CC')
+</I>&gt;<i> Let it assigned to <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">qa-bugs at ml.mageia.org</A> if it's a standard update
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it usefull to assign differently for security and non-security
+</I>&gt;<i> updates ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could we add a keyword &quot;validated_update&quot; to bugs that are ready to be
+</I>&gt;<i> moved to updates, so they can be found easily ?
+</I>
+That would be useful indeed, the number of update candidates is growing and
+it's not easy to differentiate those who need testing and those who need to be
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+<PRE>On 18 July 2011 14:13, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Monday 18 July 2011 12:33:34 Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 18/07/11 12:01 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Does it complain about this if one removes the kcm module?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I tested a while ago, we'd have to remove both the kcm module .so and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; .desktop files; I am OK with that, the GTK+ tool provides the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; exact functionalities and is desktop-agnostic (i.e. it won't pull any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; extra deps AFAICS).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I presume this is all just going into a flash-player-kde package rather
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> than nuked completely?
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it possible to create this package on the fly?
+</I>&gt;<i> because last time we talked about that on the bug report (
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275</A> ) it was not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You're right, I forgot about that limitation.
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+@Colin: so, no we can't :)
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+ <H1>[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions</H1>
+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Current%20cauldron%20updates%20want%20to%20install%2032-bit%0A%20versions%20that%20conflict%20with%2064-bit%20versions&In-Reply-To=%3C4E24490F.10602%40roadrunner.com%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions">ftg at roadrunner.com
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+ <I>Mon Jul 18 16:54:07 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Problem seems to be with libX11_6-devel:
+
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> ftg]# urpmi --auto-update --keep --debug
+getting lock on urpmi
+parsing: /etc/urpmi/mediacfg.d/Devel-1-x86_64
+comparing
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/media_info/MD5SUM and
+/var/lib/urpmi/Core Release/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;Core Release&quot; is up-to-date
+comparing
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/debug/core/release/media_info/MD5SUM
+and /var/lib/urpmi/Core Release Debug/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;Core Release Debug&quot; is up-to-date
+comparing
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/updates/media_info/MD5SUM and
+/var/lib/urpmi/Core Updates/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;Core Updates&quot; is up-to-date
+comparing
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/nonfree/release/media_info/MD5SUM and
+/var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree Release/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;Nonfree Release&quot; is up-to-date
+comparing
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/debug/nonfree/release/media_info/MD5SUM and
+/var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree Release Debug/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;Nonfree Release Debug&quot; is up-to-date
+comparing
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/nonfree/updates/media_info/MD5SUM and
+/var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree Updates/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;Nonfree Updates&quot; is up-to-date
+comparing
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/tainted/release/media_info/MD5SUM and
+/var/lib/urpmi/Tainted Release/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;Tainted Release&quot; is up-to-date
+comparing
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/debug/tainted/release/media_info/MD5SUM and
+/var/lib/urpmi/Tainted Release Debug/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;Tainted Release Debug&quot; is up-to-date
+comparing /mnt/cooker/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info/MD5SUM
+and /var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit Release/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;Core 32bit Release&quot; is up-to-date
+comparing
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/i586/media/debug/core/release/media_info/MD5SUM and
+/var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit Release Debug/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;Core 32bit Release Debug&quot; is up-to-date
+comparing /mnt/cooker/cauldron/i586/media/core/updates/media_info/MD5SUM
+and /var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit Updates/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;Core 32bit Updates&quot; is up-to-date
+comparing /mnt/plf/cooker/non-free/binary/x86_64/media_info/MD5SUM and
+/var/lib/urpmi/plf-nonfree/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;plf-nonfree&quot; is up-to-date
+comparing /mnt/plf/cooker/free/binary/x86_64/media_info/MD5SUM and
+/var/lib/urpmi/plf-free/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;plf-free&quot; is up-to-date
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core Release/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core Release
+Debug/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core Updates/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree
+Release/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree Release
+Debug/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree
+Updates/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Tainted
+Release/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Tainted Release
+Debug/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit
+Release/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit Release
+Debug/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit
+Updates/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/plf-nonfree/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/plf-free/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+skipping package lib64freetype6-2.4.4-3plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package freetype2-demos-2.4.4-3plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package freetype2-demos-2.4.4-4plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package lib64freetype6-devel-2.4.4-4plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package lib64freetype6-devel-2.4.4-3plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package lib64freetype6-static-devel-2.4.4-4plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package lib64freetype6-2.4.4-4plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package lib64freetype6-static-devel-2.4.4-3plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+getting exclusive lock on rpm
+opening rpmdb (root=, write=)
+auto-select: adding libreoffice-calc-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+libreoffice-calc-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding
+libreoffice-presentation-minimizer-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+libreoffice-presentation-minimizer-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding libreoffice-pyuno-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+libreoffice-pyuno-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding libreoffice-graphicfilter-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+replacing libreoffice-graphicfilter-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding libreoffice-ure-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+libreoffice-ure-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding libreoffice-langpack-es-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+replacing libreoffice-langpack-es-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding libreoffice-base-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+libreoffice-base-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding libreoffice-core-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+libreoffice-core-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding libreoffice-langpack-en-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+replacing libreoffice-langpack-en-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding libreoffice-impress-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 replacing
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+auto-select: adding libdbus-1_3-1.4.12-1.mga2.i586 replacing
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+auto-select: adding libreoffice-presenter-screen-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+replacing libreoffice-presenter-screen-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
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+replacing libreoffice-java-common-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding libreoffice-draw-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+libreoffice-draw-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding libpng3-1.2.46-1.mga2.i586 replacing
+libpng3-1.2.44-3.mga1.i586
+auto-select: adding libreoffice-langpack-fr-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+replacing libreoffice-langpack-fr-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.noarch
+replacing libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.noarch
+auto-select: adding libreoffice-langpack-it-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+replacing libreoffice-langpack-it-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding libreoffice-writer-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 replacing
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+auto-select: adding libreoffice-xsltfilter-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
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+auto-select: adding libreoffice-langpack-de-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
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+replacing libreoffice-emailmerge-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
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+replacing lib64poppler-qt4-devel-0.16.7-1.mga2.x86_64
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+selecting libreoffice-langpack-de-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+set_rejected: libreoffice-langpack-de-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
+requiring libreoffice-core[== 3.4.2.1-2.mga2] for
+libreoffice-langpack-de-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+chosen libreoffice-core-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 for libreoffice-core[==
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+requiring libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts[==
+3.4.2.1-2.mga2],libreoffice-ure[== 3.4.2.1-2.mga2] for
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+set_rejected: libreoffice-report-builder-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64
+requiring libreoffice-base[== 3.4.2.1-2.mga2] for
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+3.4.2.1-2.mga2]
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+installed libreoffice-impress-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64 is conflicting
+because of unsatisfied libreoffice-core[== 3.3.2.2-14.mga1]
+promoting libreoffice-impress-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 because of conflict
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+installed libreoffice-graphicfilter-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64 is
+conflicting because of unsatisfied libreoffice-core[== 3.3.2.2-14.mga1]
+promoting libreoffice-graphicfilter-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 because of
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+installed libreoffice-draw-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64 is conflicting because
+of unsatisfied libreoffice-core[== 3.3.2.2-14.mga1]
+promoting libreoffice-draw-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 because of conflict above
+installed libreoffice-calc-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64 is conflicting because
+of unsatisfied libreoffice-core[== 3.3.2.2-14.mga1]
+promoting libreoffice-calc-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 because of conflict above
+installed libreoffice-base-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64 is conflicting because
+of unsatisfied libreoffice-core[== 3.3.2.2-14.mga1]
+promoting libreoffice-base-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 because of conflict above
+installed libreoffice-langpack-it-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64 is conflicting
+because of unsatisfied libreoffice-core[== 3.3.2.2-14.mga1]
+promoting libreoffice-langpack-it-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 because of
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+installed libreoffice-langpack-br-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64 is conflicting
+because of unsatisfied libreoffice-core[== 3.3.2.2-14.mga1]
+unselecting libreoffice-core-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-math-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-writer-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-calc-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-graphicfilter-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-base-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-langpack-de-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-kde-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-langpack-it-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-langpack-fr-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-langpack-es-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-draw-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-langpack-en-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-xsltfilter-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-java-common-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-pyuno-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-impress-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-emailmerge-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-wiki-publisher-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-report-builder-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-pdfimport-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-presenter-screen-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+unselecting libreoffice-presentation-minimizer-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+no packages match libreoffice-writer (it is either in skip.list or
+already rejected)
+no packages match libreoffice-pyuno (it is either in skip.list or
+already rejected)
+no packages match libreoffice-pyuno (it is either in skip.list or
+already rejected)
+no packages match libreoffice-pyuno (it is either in skip.list or
+already rejected)
+no packages match libreoffice-impress (it is either in skip.list or
+already rejected)
+no packages match libreoffice-graphicfilter (it is either in skip.list
+or already rejected)
+no packages match libreoffice-draw (it is either in skip.list or already
+rejected)
+no packages match libreoffice-calc (it is either in skip.list or already
+rejected)
+no packages match libreoffice-base (it is either in skip.list or already
+rejected)
+no packages match libreoffice-langpack-it (it is either in skip.list or
+already rejected)
+installed libreoffice-core-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64 is conflicting because
+of unsatisfied libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts[== 3.3.2.2-14.mga1]
+unselecting libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.noarch
+installed libreoffice-core-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64 is conflicting because
+of unsatisfied libreoffice-ure[== 3.3.2.2-14.mga1]
+unselecting libreoffice-ure-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+installed openldap-servers-2.4.25-1.mga1.x86_64 is conflicting because
+of unsatisfied db-utils[*] db-utils[== 5.1.19]
+unselecting db51-utils-5.1.25-5.mga2.x86_64
+installed lib64kipiplugins1-1.9.0-4.mga2.x86_64 is conflicting because
+of unsatisfied kipi-plugins[== 1:1.9.0-4.mga2]
+unselecting kipi-plugins-2.0.0-0.rc.1.mga2.x86_64
+installed okular-devel-4.6.95-0.mga2.x86_64 is conflicting because of
+unsatisfied libpoppler-qt4-devel[&gt;= 0.8.0]
+promoting libpoppler-qt4-devel-0.16.7-2.mga2.i586 because of conflict above
+selecting libpoppler-qt4-devel-0.16.7-2.mga2.i586
+requiring
+devel(libQtCore),devel(libQtGui),devel(libQtXml),devel(libpoppler),libpoppler-devel[==
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+chosen libqt4-devel-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586 for devel(libQtCore)
+selecting libqt4-devel-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586
+requiring
+devel(libGL),devel(libX11),devel(libXext),devel(libXrender),devel(libasound),devel(libdbus-1),devel(libfontconfig),devel(libfreetype),devel(libglib-2.0),devel(libgobject-2.0),devel(libgthread-2.0),devel(libphonon),devel(libpng12),libQt3Support.so.4,libqt3support4[==
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+4:4.7.3],libqthelp4[== 4:4.7.3],libqtmultimedia4[==
+4:4.7.3],libqtopengl4[== 4:4.7.3],libqttest4[== 4:4.7.3] for
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+chosen libxrender1-devel-0.9.6-1.mga1.i586 for devel(libXrender)
+selecting libxrender1-devel-0.9.6-1.mga1.i586
+requiring devel(libX11) for libxrender1-devel-0.9.6-1.mga1.i586
+chosen libx11_6-devel-1.4.3-1.mga1.i586 for devel(libX11)
+selecting libx11_6-devel-1.4.3-1.mga1.i586
+requiring devel(libxcb) for libx11_6-devel-1.4.3-1.mga1.i586
+chosen libxcb-devel-1.7-2.mga2.i586 for devel(libxcb)
+selecting libxcb-devel-1.7-2.mga2.i586
+requiring libxcb-dri2_0[== 1.7],libxcb-xevie0[== 1.7],libxcb-xf86dri0[==
+1.7],libxcb-xtest0[== 1.7] for libxcb-devel-1.7-2.mga2.i586
+chosen libxcb-xf86dri0-1.7-2.mga2.i586 for libxcb-xf86dri0[== 1.7]
+selecting libxcb-xf86dri0-1.7-2.mga2.i586
+chosen libxcb-xtest0-1.7-2.mga2.i586 for libxcb-xtest0[== 1.7]
+selecting libxcb-xtest0-1.7-2.mga2.i586
+chosen libxcb-xevie0-1.7-2.mga2.i586 for libxcb-xevie0[== 1.7]
+selecting libxcb-xevie0-1.7-2.mga2.i586
+chosen libxcb-dri2_0-1.7-2.mga2.i586 for libxcb-dri2_0[== 1.7]
+selecting libxcb-dri2_0-1.7-2.mga2.i586
+chosen libqthelp4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586 for libqthelp4[== 4:4.7.3]
+selecting libqthelp4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586
+requiring libQtCLucene.so.4 for libqthelp4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586
+chosen libqtclucene4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586 for libQtCLucene.so.4
+selecting libqtclucene4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586
+chosen libx11_6-devel-1.4.3-1.mga1.i586 for devel(libX11)
+chosen libxext6-devel-1.3.0-1.mga2.i586 for devel(libXext)
+selecting libxext6-devel-1.3.0-1.mga2.i586
+chosen libqtopengl4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586 for libqtopengl4[== 4:4.7.3]
+selecting libqtopengl4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586
+chosen libglib2.0-devel-2.29.10-1.mga2.i586 for devel(libglib-2.0)
+selecting libglib2.0-devel-2.29.10-1.mga2.i586
+requiring devel(libffi),devel(libpcre) for
+libglib2.0-devel-2.29.10-1.mga2.i586
+chosen libpcre-devel-8.12-3.mga1.i586 for devel(libpcre)
+selecting libpcre-devel-8.12-3.mga1.i586
+chosen libffi5-devel-3.0.9-4.mga1.i586 for devel(libffi)
+selecting libffi5-devel-3.0.9-4.mga1.i586
+chosen libqtmultimedia4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586 for libqtmultimedia4[== 4:4.7.3]
+selecting libqtmultimedia4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586
+chosen libqtdesigner4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586 for libqtdesigner4[== 4:4.7.3]
+selecting libqtdesigner4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586
+chosen libpng-devel-1.2.46-1.mga2.i586 for devel(libpng12)
+selecting libpng-devel-1.2.46-1.mga2.i586
+chosen libglib2.0-devel-2.29.10-1.mga2.i586 for devel(libgobject-2.0)
+chosen libalsa2-devel-1.0.24.1-3.mga1.i586 for devel(libasound)
+selecting libalsa2-devel-1.0.24.1-3.mga1.i586
+chosen libqt3support4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586 for libQt3Support.so.4
+selecting libqt3support4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586
+chosen libqt3support4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586 for libqt3support4[== 4:4.7.3]
+chosen libfontconfig-devel-2.8.0-5.mga1.i586 for devel(libfontconfig)
+selecting libfontconfig-devel-2.8.0-5.mga1.i586
+requiring devel(libfreetype),devel(libxml2) for
+libfontconfig-devel-2.8.0-5.mga1.i586
+chosen libxml2-devel-2.7.8-10.mga2.i586 for devel(libxml2)
+selecting libxml2-devel-2.7.8-10.mga2.i586
+chosen libfreetype6-devel-2.4.5-1.mga2.i586 for devel(libfreetype)
+selecting libfreetype6-devel-2.4.5-1.mga2.i586
+chosen libfreetype6-devel-2.4.5-1.mga2.i586 for devel(libfreetype)
+chosen libmesagl1-devel-7.11-0.rc1.1.git20110712.1.mga2.i586 for
+devel(libGL)
+selecting libmesagl1-devel-7.11-0.rc1.1.git20110712.1.mga2.i586
+requiring
+devel(libXdamage),devel(libXfixes),devel(libXxf86vm),devel(libdrm) for
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+chosen libxxf86vm-devel-1.1.1-2.mga1.i586 for devel(libXxf86vm)
+selecting libxxf86vm-devel-1.1.1-2.mga1.i586
+chosen libxdamage-devel-1.1.3-1.mga1.i586 for devel(libXdamage)
+selecting libxdamage-devel-1.1.3-1.mga1.i586
+chosen libxfixes3-devel-5.0-1.mga1.i586 for devel(libXfixes)
+selecting libxfixes3-devel-5.0-1.mga1.i586
+chosen libdrm-devel-2.4.26-1.mga2.i586 for devel(libdrm)
+selecting libdrm-devel-2.4.26-1.mga2.i586
+requiring libdrm_nouveau1[== 2.4.26],libkms1[== 2.4.26] for
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+chosen libdrm_nouveau1-2.4.26-1.mga2.i586 for libdrm_nouveau1[== 2.4.26]
+selecting libdrm_nouveau1-2.4.26-1.mga2.i586
+chosen libkms1-2.4.26-1.mga2.i586 for libkms1[== 2.4.26]
+selecting libkms1-2.4.26-1.mga2.i586
+chosen libglib2.0-devel-2.29.10-1.mga2.i586 for devel(libgthread-2.0)
+chosen libqttest4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586 for libqttest4[== 4:4.7.3]
+selecting libqttest4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586
+no packages match devel(libphonon) (it is either in skip.list or already
+rejected)
+no packages match phonon-devel (it is either in skip.list or already
+rejected)
+unselecting libqt4-devel-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586
+unselecting libpoppler-qt4-devel-0.16.7-2.mga2.i586
+adding a reason to already rejected package
+libqt4-devel-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586: unsatisfied 31064
+unselecting lib64poppler-qt4-devel-0.16.7-2.mga2.x86_64
+Some requested packages cannot be installed:
+db51-utils-5.1.25-5.mga2.x86_64 (in order to keep
+openldap-servers-2.4.25-1.mga1.x86_64)
+kipi-plugins-2.0.0-0.rc.1.mga2.x86_64 (in order to keep
+lib64kipiplugins1-1.9.0-4.mga2.x86_64)
+lib64poppler-qt4-devel-0.16.7-2.mga2.x86_64 (trying to promote
+libpoppler-qt4-devel)
+libqt4-devel-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586 (due to unsatisfied
+phonon-devel-4.5.0-2.mga2.i586)
+libreoffice-base-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with
+libreoffice-core-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote libreoffice-core)
+libreoffice-calc-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with
+libreoffice-core-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote libreoffice-core)
+libreoffice-core-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (in order to keep
+libreoffice-langpack-br-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64)
+libreoffice-draw-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with
+libreoffice-core-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote libreoffice-core)
+libreoffice-graphicfilter-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with
+libreoffice-core-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote libreoffice-core)
+libreoffice-impress-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with
+libreoffice-core-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote libreoffice-core)
+libreoffice-langpack-it-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with
+libreoffice-core-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote libreoffice-core)
+libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.noarch (in order to keep
+libreoffice-core-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64)
+libreoffice-pyuno-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with
+libreoffice-core-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote libreoffice-core)
+libreoffice-ure-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (in order to keep
+libreoffice-core-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64)
+libreoffice-writer-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with
+libreoffice-core-3.4.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote libreoffice-core)
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
+ Package Version Release Arch
+(medium &quot;Core 32bit Release&quot;)
+ libalsa2-devel 1.0.24.1 3.mga1 i586
+ libdbus-1_3 1.4.12 1.mga2 i586
+ libdrm-devel 2.4.26 1.mga2 i586
+ libdrm_nouveau1 2.4.26 1.mga2 i586
+ libffi5-devel 3.0.9 4.mga1 i586
+ libfontconfig-devel 2.8.0 5.mga1 i586
+ libfreetype6-devel 2.4.5 1.mga2 i586
+ libglib2.0-devel 2.29.10 1.mga2 i586
+ libkms1 2.4.26 1.mga2 i586
+ libmesagl1-devel 7.11 0.rc1.1.git2&gt; i586
+ libpcre-devel 8.12 3.mga1 i586
+ libpng-devel 1.2.46 1.mga2 i586
+ libpng3 1.2.46 1.mga2 i586
+ libqt3support4 4.7.3 1.mga1 i586
+ libqtclucene4 4.7.3 1.mga1 i586
+ libqtdesigner4 4.7.3 1.mga1 i586
+ libqthelp4 4.7.3 1.mga1 i586
+ libqtmultimedia4 4.7.3 1.mga1 i586
+ libqtopengl4 4.7.3 1.mga1 i586
+ libqttest4 4.7.3 1.mga1 i586
+ libx11_6-devel 1.4.3 1.mga1 i586
+ libxcb-devel 1.7 2.mga2 i586
+ libxcb-dri2_0 1.7 2.mga2 i586
+ libxcb-xevie0 1.7 2.mga2 i586
+ libxcb-xf86dri0 1.7 2.mga2 i586
+ libxcb-xtest0 1.7 2.mga2 i586
+ libxdamage-devel 1.1.3 1.mga1 i586
+ libxext6-devel 1.3.0 1.mga2 i586
+ libxfixes3-devel 5.0 1.mga1 i586
+ libxml2-devel 2.7.8 10.mga2 i586
+ libxrender1-devel 0.9.6 1.mga1 i586
+ libxxf86vm-devel 1.1.1 2.mga1 i586
+70MB of additional disk space will be used.
+13MB of packages will be retrieved.
+Proceed with the installation of the 32 packages? (Y/n)
+opening rpmdb (root=, write=)
+getting graph of dependencies for sorting
+sorting graph of dependencies
+rpms sorted by dependencies:
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+libxcb-xf86dri0
+libxcb-xevie0
+libxcb-dri2_0
+libxcb-devel
+libx11_6-devel
+libxfixes3-devel
+libxdamage-devel
+libxrender1-devel
+libqttest4
+libqt3support4
+libalsa2-devel
+libqtdesigner4
+libqtclucene4
+libqthelp4
+libpcre-devel
+libxml2-devel
+libfreetype6-devel
+libfontconfig-devel
+libqtopengl4
+libxext6-devel
+libxxf86vm-devel
+libqtmultimedia4
+libffi5-devel
+libkms1
+libdrm_nouveau1
+libdrm-devel
+libglib2.0-devel
+libmesagl1-devel
+libdbus-1_3
+libpng3
+libpng-devel
+selecting libxfixes3-devel-5.0-1.mga1.i586
+requiring devel(libX11) for libxfixes3-devel-5.0-1.mga1.i586
+chosen libx11_6-devel-1.4.3-1.mga1.i586 for devel(libX11)
+selecting libx11_6-devel-1.4.3-1.mga1.i586
+requiring devel(libxcb) for libx11_6-devel-1.4.3-1.mga1.i586
+chosen libxcb-devel-1.7-2.mga2.i586 for devel(libxcb)
+selecting libxcb-devel-1.7-2.mga2.i586
+requiring libxcb-dri2_0[== 1.7],libxcb-xevie0[== 1.7],libxcb-xf86dri0[==
+1.7],libxcb-xtest0[== 1.7] for libxcb-devel-1.7-2.mga2.i586
+chosen libxcb-xf86dri0-1.7-2.mga2.i586 for libxcb-xf86dri0[== 1.7]
+selecting libxcb-xf86dri0-1.7-2.mga2.i586
+chosen libxcb-xtest0-1.7-2.mga2.i586 for libxcb-xtest0[== 1.7]
+selecting libxcb-xtest0-1.7-2.mga2.i586
+chosen libxcb-xevie0-1.7-2.mga2.i586 for libxcb-xevie0[== 1.7]
+selecting libxcb-xevie0-1.7-2.mga2.i586
+chosen libxcb-dri2_0-1.7-2.mga2.i586 for libxcb-dri2_0[== 1.7]
+selecting libxcb-dri2_0-1.7-2.mga2.i586
+selecting libxdamage-devel-1.1.3-1.mga1.i586
+transaction valid: remove=
+update=libxfixes3-devel,libxdamage-devel,libxcb-xevie0,libxcb-dri2_0,libx11_6-devel,libxcb-devel,libxcb-xf86dri0,libxcb-xtest0
+selecting libqt3support4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586
+selecting libqttest4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586
+selecting libqthelp4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586
+requiring libQtCLucene.so.4 for libqthelp4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586
+chosen libqtclucene4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586 for libQtCLucene.so.4
+selecting libqtclucene4-4.7.3-1.mga1.i586
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+ <B>Christiaan Welvaart</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Current%20cauldron%20updates%20want%20to%20install%2032-bit%0A%20versions%20that%20conflict%20with%2064-bit%20versions&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.02.1107181709290.28758%40zem.cjw.nep%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org
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+ <I>Mon Jul 18 17:14:44 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, Frank Griffin wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Problem seems to be with libX11_6-devel:
+</I>
+Not the cause of this problem, although this conflict should be fixed
+imho.
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+&gt;<i> installed okular-devel-4.6.95-0.mga2.x86_64 is conflicting because of
+</I>&gt;<i> unsatisfied libpoppler-qt4-devel[&gt;= 0.8.0]
+</I>
+&gt;<i> promoting libpoppler-qt4-devel-0.16.7-2.mga2.i586 because of conflict above
+</I>&gt;<i> selecting libpoppler-qt4-devel-0.16.7-2.mga2.i586
+</I>
+okular needs to be updated (or the libpoppler-qt4-devel provides
+re-added).
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+ Christiaan
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Current%20cauldron%20updates%20want%20to%20install%2032-bit%0A%20versions%20that%20conflict%20with%2064-bit%20versions&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJmd%2BxqHd356yMz9UA7ntxvqPoCuy2kGsmqwKJpXJc84u2W74A%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+ <I>Mon Jul 18 18:40:59 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>On 18 July 2011 17:14, Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Problem seems to be with libX11_6-devel:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not the cause of this problem, although this conflict should be fixed imho.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed okular-devel-4.6.95-0.mga2.x86_64 is conflicting because of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unsatisfied libpoppler-qt4-devel[&gt;= 0.8.0]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> promoting libpoppler-qt4-devel-0.16.7-2.mga2.i586 because of conflict
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> above
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> selecting libpoppler-qt4-devel-0.16.7-2.mga2.i586
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> okular needs to be updated (or the libpoppler-qt4-devel provides re-added).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Fixed, okular now uses the pkgconfig() BR.
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+&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;Christiaan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+ <B>Steve McIntyre</B>
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+ <I>Mon Jul 18 18:15:12 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Hi folks,
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+Many GNU/Linux distributions are doing some ARM porting; this tends to
+result in work duplication, and there doesn't seem to be a general
+purpose forum to bring ARM porters together.
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+We're inviting developers of GNU/Linux distributions with an interest
+in ARM to join a new &quot;cross-distro&quot; list, hosted at Linaro:
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+Any ARM Linux / Free Software discussion is welcome on the list, for
+instance porting software to build on ARM, toolchain problems, dealing
+with new ABIs, Thumb-2, NEON, kernel problems, announcement of new
+tools etc.
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+Cheers,
+--
+Steve McIntyre <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">steve.mcintyre at linaro.org</A>
+&lt;<A HREF="http://www.linaro.org/">http://www.linaro.org/</A>&gt; Linaro.org | Open source software for ARM SoCs
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+&gt;<i> On 18 July 2011 14:13, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Monday 18 July 2011 12:33:34 Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 18/07/11 12:01 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Does it complain about this if one removes the kcm module?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I tested a while ago, we'd have to remove both the kcm module .so and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> .desktop files; I am OK with that, the GTK+ tool provides the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> exact functionalities and is desktop-agnostic (i.e. it won't pull any
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> extra deps AFAICS).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I presume this is all just going into a flash-player-kde package rather
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> than nuked completely?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it possible to create this package on the fly?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because last time we talked about that on the bug report (
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275</A> ) it was not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You're right, I forgot about that limitation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> @Colin: so, no we can't :)
+</I>
+Actually, it is possible, with some added complexity (extraction of the
+KDE files from the file downloaded by the main pkg in the -kde subpkg
+%post script.
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> okular needs to be updated (or the libpoppler-qt4-devel provides re-added).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Fixed, okular now uses the pkgconfig() BR.
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+license critical faac, while compiling. So this package should be
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 16/07/11 09:06 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 15 July 2011 23:20, Colin Guthrie&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Balcaen John at 15/07/11 20:16 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just finished to push compiz 0.8.8 (works is done by julien)&amp; everything is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> working here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How do you configure compiz ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Here it's simply working by selecting compiz as the default windows manager
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> using systemsettings ( kcmshell4 componentchooser in konsole)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Interesting, that method never really worked before (or at least I never
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tested it).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It worked since mikala added
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdebase4-runtime/current/SOURCES/kdebase-runtime-4.6.0-fedora-support-for-compiz.patch,">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdebase4-runtime/current/SOURCES/kdebase-runtime-4.6.0-fedora-support-for-compiz.patch,</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IIUC.
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahh.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> FWIW, I think I always patched compiz to ensure it started the decorator
+</I>&gt;<i> for you...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So a question is: Is compiz running but without decorations?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If yes, then is the decoration plugin loaded in compiz itself?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If yes, then I'd suggest that either:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Compiz is no longer staring the decorator for some reason.
+</I>&gt;<i> or
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. The script &quot;compiz-window-decorator&quot; is not working.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's probably the first place to start.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I can't swear that I wasn't running with 0.8.8 before, but I've just
+re-tested with 0.8.8, and now it's working fine. Thanks to everyone who
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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+<PRE>On Saturday 16 July 2011 11:06:59 Ahmad Samir wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Interesting, that method never really worked before (or at least I never
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tested it).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It worked since mikala added
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdebase4-runtime/current/SOURCES/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdebase4-runtime/current/SOURCES/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> kdebase-runtime-4.6.0-fedora-support-for-compiz.patch, IIUC.
+</I>Well i guess it's probably more related to the 0.8.8
+we can read in the changelog (available in /usr/share/compiz/NEWS ...)
+
+Fixed drawing of switcher background with KDE4 window decorator
+
+And as far as i remember it was not working under Mageia 1(&amp; this patch was
+already available).
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+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> On 13 July 2011 12:34, nicolas vigier&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>...
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Using pkgconfig provides looks like an optimal option, we could start
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> now, whenever we touch a spec we change to the pkgconfig provides, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gradually all the specs will be adapted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And for the packages that don't have .pc files we add:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel = %{version}-release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel = %{version}-release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or we could add them to all packages whether they have .pc files or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not, but still always use pkgconfig() provides as BR in our specs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think it's better to use %{name}-devel for packages which don't have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pkgconfig files. And keep pkgconfig() provides for packages with .pc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> files.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As spturtle said, conformity/consistency is good, i.e. all our
+</I>&gt;<i> packages should have the same Provides, that's better in the long run,
+</I>&gt;<i> and less confusing for new (and old too) packagers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Couldn't we have a macro for this? It would help in consistency, and
+will avoid typo.
+We could use it like this:
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+<PRE>It's in the title !
+The use of the Scale Invariant Feature Transform (SIFT) algorythm
+allowing to find control points to build panorama with several pictures
+is restricted by a US patent... this algorythm is the basis of
+autopano-sift and autopano-sift-C !
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+hugin (a pano builder program) brings some patents problems with some of
+its tools : this one is an optional tool, and we can use hugin without
+it... mostly since 2010.4 version of hugin which ships its own patent
+free control point generator which is quite as good as autopano ;)
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+the other rpm bringing patent problem is libpano13 (required by hugin) :
+two versions exist yet for mageia:
+- one in core repository with a limited field of view (160&#176;) and giving
+this limit to hugin (no patent problem though !)
+- one in tainted repository without limitation (but infringing US and
+Japan patents) allowing to build 360&#176; panorama
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+&gt;<i> Name : autopano-sift-C Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2.5.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
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+</I>&gt;<i> This package is in PLF because the SIFT alogorithm is patented.
+</I> ^^^^
+I guess it was submitted in the wrong media :)
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+&gt;<i> On Monday 18 July 2011 23:51:13 Mageia Team wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : autopano-sift-C Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version : 2.5.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This package is in PLF because the SIFT alogorithm is patented.
+</I>&gt;<i> ^^^^
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess it was submitted in the wrong media :)
+</I>
+As said on irc, it was already moved 3 hours ago, and should be ok for
+next package upload, ( ie, when the package is synced )
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+<PRE>Le mardi 19 juillet 2011 &#224; 02:04 +0200, Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> It's in the title !
+</I>&gt;<i> The use of the Scale Invariant Feature Transform (SIFT) algorythm
+</I>&gt;<i> allowing to find control points to build panorama with several pictures
+</I>&gt;<i> is restricted by a US patent... this algorythm is the basis of
+</I>&gt;<i> autopano-sift and autopano-sift-C !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> hugin (a pano builder program) brings some patents problems with some of
+</I>&gt;<i> its tools : this one is an optional tool, and we can use hugin without
+</I>&gt;<i> it... mostly since 2010.4 version of hugin which ships its own patent
+</I>&gt;<i> free control point generator which is quite as good as autopano ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the other rpm bringing patent problem is libpano13 (required by hugin) :
+</I>&gt;<i> two versions exist yet for mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i> - one in core repository with a limited field of view (160&#176;) and giving
+</I>&gt;<i> this limit to hugin (no patent problem though !)
+</I>&gt;<i> - one in tainted repository without limitation (but infringing US and
+</I>&gt;<i> Japan patents) allowing to build 360&#176; panorama
+</I>
+What are the patents number ?
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+--
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 19 juillet 2011 &#224; 02:04 +0200, Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It's in the title !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The use of the Scale Invariant Feature Transform (SIFT) algorythm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; allowing to find control points to build panorama with several pictures
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is restricted by a US patent... this algorythm is the basis of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; autopano-sift and autopano-sift-C !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hugin (a pano builder program) brings some patents problems with some of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; its tools : this one is an optional tool, and we can use hugin without
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it... mostly since 2010.4 version of hugin which ships its own patent
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; free control point generator which is quite as good as autopano ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the other rpm bringing patent problem is libpano13 (required by hugin) :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; two versions exist yet for mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - one in core repository with a limited field of view (160&#176;) and giving
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this limit to hugin (no patent problem though !)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - one in tainted repository without limitation (but infringing US and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Japan patents) allowing to build 360&#176; panorama
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What are the patents number ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I was under the impression that <A HREF="http://www.google.com/patents?vid=6711293">http://www.google.com/patents?vid=6711293</A> is
+related to it, but I am not sure.
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+as discussed on irc from time to time since years , and as proposed on
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-June/006153.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-June/006153.html</A> , I
+have implemented a script to clean orphan automatically.
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+As said in the mail, the delay is 2 weeks of presence, and 1 month
+after, total removal. I didn't deployed it yet, as I would like to have
+some feedback and review ( but if no one step for that, I will do it
+myself in a few days ).
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+I didn't implement colin suggestion because this was more complex to do
+( <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-June/006154.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-June/006154.html</A> ).
+But anybody feel free to send a patch on the script :
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/mirror_cleaner/files/orphans_cleaner.pl?view=log">http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/mirror_cleaner/files/orphans_cleaner.pl?view=log</A>
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+&gt;<i> Le 13/07/2011 12:41, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 13 July 2011 12:34, nicolas vigier&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; &#160;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Using pkgconfig provides looks like an optimal option, we could start
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> now, whenever we touch a spec we change to the pkgconfig provides, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gradually all the specs will be adapted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And for the packages that don't have .pc files we add:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Provides: %{name}-devel = %{version}-release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Provides: lib%{name}-devel = %{version}-release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or we could add them to all packages whether they have .pc files or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not, but still always use pkgconfig() provides as BR in our specs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think it's better to use %{name}-devel for packages which don't have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pkgconfig files. And keep pkgconfig() provides for packages with .pc
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> files.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As spturtle said, conformity/consistency is good, i.e. all our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages should have the same Provides, that's better in the long run,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and less confusing for new (and old too) packagers.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Couldn't we have a macro for this? It would help in consistency, and will
+</I>&gt;<i> avoid typo.
+</I>&gt;<i> We could use it like this:
+</I>&gt;<i> %mkdevelprov %{name} %{version}
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Luc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Good point. There'll be corner cases, but it should work for the
+majority of packages.
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+&gt;<i> On Saturday 16 July 2011 11:06:59 Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Interesting, that method never really worked before (or at least I never
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; tested it).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It worked since mikala added
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdebase4-runtime/current/SOURCES/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdebase4-runtime/current/SOURCES/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kdebase-runtime-4.6.0-fedora-support-for-compiz.patch, IIUC.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well i guess it's probably more related to the 0.8.8
+</I>&gt;<i> we can read in the changelog (available in /usr/share/compiz/NEWS ...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fixed drawing of switcher background with KDE4 window decorator
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And as far as i remember it was not working under Mageia 1(&amp; this patch was
+</I>&gt;<i> already available).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I didn't test, (I don't use compiz); However, it can't work without
+that patch, the Exec line was wrong.
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
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+</I>&gt;<i>related to it, but I am not sure.
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+ <B>Manuel Hiebel</B>
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Could we add a keyword &quot;validated_update&quot; to bugs that are ready to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; moved to updates, so they can be found easily ?
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+</I>&gt;<i> That would be useful indeed, the number of update candidates is growing and
+</I>&gt;<i> it's not easy to differentiate those who need testing and those who need to be
+</I>&gt;<i> pushed.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
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+Yep, can we add this ?
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream.
+It's required by empathy to have call support. However some other
+packages (telepathy-qt4 and telepathy-call-ui) still use the old
+-farsight, so renaming the current package in SVN will render those
+two packages not build-able, until their perspective upstream adapt to
+the changes.
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+So I'll copy telepathy-farsight to -farstream is SVN and submit it as
+a separate package, then when it's not needed any more we can add the
+proper obsoletes against telepathy-farsight.
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+<PRE>Le mardi 19 juillet 2011 11:38:01, Manuel Hiebel a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Could we add a keyword &quot;validated_update&quot; to bugs that are ready to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; moved to updates, so they can be found easily ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That would be useful indeed, the number of update candidates is growing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and it's not easy to differentiate those who need testing and those who
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; need to be pushed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep, can we add this ?
+</I>
+No one said no, I'd say let's go :)
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 19 July 2011 11:45, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's required by empathy to have call support. However some other
+</I>&gt;<i> packages (telepathy-qt4 and telepathy-call-ui) still use the old
+</I>&gt;<i> -farsight, so renaming the current package in SVN will render those
+</I>&gt;<i> two packages not build-able, until their perspective upstream adapt to
+</I>&gt;<i> the changes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I'll copy telepathy-farsight to -farstream is SVN and submit it as
+</I>&gt;<i> a separate package, then when it's not needed any more we can add the
+</I>&gt;<i> proper obsoletes against telepathy-farsight.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+FWIW, on further investigation, empathy still checks for
+telepathy-farsight, which doesn't make sense; (I'll try patching it).
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>On 18.07.2011 13:57, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 18 July 2011 12:45, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 18 juillet 2011 11:26:34, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 18 July 2011 10:51, Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">samuel.verschelde at pmsipilot.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 18 juillet 2011 10:11:32, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : mplayer Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 1.0 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2 Build Date: Mon
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Jul 18 09:51:27 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Host: ecosse Group : Video Source RPM:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 8890529 License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.mplayerhq.hu">http://www.mplayerhq.hu</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : Movie player for linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> MPlayer is a movie player for LINUX (runs on many other Unices, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> non-x86 CPUs, see the documentation). It plays most MPEG, VOB, AVI,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> VIVO, ASF/WMV, QT/MOV, FLI, NuppelVideo, yuv4mpeg, FILM, RoQ, and some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> RealMedia files, supported by many native, XAnim, and Win32 DLL codecs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You can watch VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, 3ivx, FLI, and even DivX movies too
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (and you don't need the avifile library at all!). The another big
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> feature of mplayer is the wide range of supported output drivers. It
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> works with X11, Xv, DGA, OpenGL, SVGAlib, fbdev, AAlib, but you can use
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> SDL (and this way all drivers of SDL), VESA (on every VESA compatible
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> card, even without X!), and some lowlevel card-specific drivers (for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Matrox, 3Dfx and Radeon) too! Most of them supports software or hardware
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> scaling, so you can enjoy movies in fullscreen. MPlayer supports
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> displaying through some hardware MPEG decoder boards, such as the DVB
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and DXR3/Hollywood+! And what about the nice big antialiased shaded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> subtitles (9 supported types!!!) with european/ISO 8859-1,2 (hungarian,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> english, czech, etc), cyrillic, korean fonts, and OSD?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Note: If you want to play Real content, you need to have the content
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of RealPlayer's Codecs directory in /usr/lib64/codecs/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is it ok to have such a path (/usr/lib64/codecs/) in a summary ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, because it's /usr/lib64/ in the x86_64 package and /usr/lib/ in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the i586 one.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (I think the email to the changelog ML resolves %_libdir/ depending on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the machine that generated the email, not sure though).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not fond of descriptions changing according to the arch, it makes my life
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> harder in madb where I need one description per package name (tainted packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are already problematic in this regard) :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Whether this causes problems for other tools or not, that bit of the
+</I>&gt;<i> description is giving users useful info.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe it can be moved to a README.urpmi, Anssi?
+</I>
+IMO it can be removed, Real content plays fine without real-codecs
+(which is non-redistributable).
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+Anssi Hannula
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+<PRE>On 19 July 2011 13:38, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 19 July 2011 11:45, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's required by empathy to have call support. However some other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages (telepathy-qt4 and telepathy-call-ui) still use the old
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -farsight, so renaming the current package in SVN will render those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> two packages not build-able, until their perspective upstream adapt to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the changes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I'll copy telepathy-farsight to -farstream is SVN and submit it as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a separate package, then when it's not needed any more we can add the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proper obsoletes against telepathy-farsight.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> FWIW, on further investigation, empathy still checks for
+</I>&gt;<i> telepathy-farsight, which doesn't make sense; (I'll try patching it).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+For the sake of not botching the package, I think it'll build/work
+with both telepathy-{farsight,farstream}; the latter being used for
+Empathy call support.
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+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> ftg]# urpmi --auto-select --debug
+getting lock on urpmi
+parsing: /etc/urpmi/mediacfg.d/Devel-1-x86_64
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core Release/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core Release
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+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core Updates/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree
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+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree Release
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+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree
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+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Tainted
+Release/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Tainted Release
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+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit
+Release/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit Release
+Debug/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit
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+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/plf-nonfree/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/plf-free/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+skipping package lib64freetype6-2.4.4-3plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package freetype2-demos-2.4.4-3plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package freetype2-demos-2.4.4-4plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package lib64freetype6-devel-2.4.4-4plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package lib64freetype6-devel-2.4.4-3plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package lib64freetype6-static-devel-2.4.4-4plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package lib64freetype6-2.4.4-4plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package lib64freetype6-static-devel-2.4.4-3plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+getting exclusive lock on rpm
+opening rpmdb (root=, write=)
+auto-select: adding empathy-3.1.3-1.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+empathy-3.1.2.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+auto-select: adding maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch replacing
+maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
+auto-select: adding java-rpmbuild-1.7.5-13.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+java-rpmbuild-1.7.5-5.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding gnome-control-center-3.1.3-6.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+gnome-control-center-3.1.3-5.mga2.x86_64
+auto-select: adding db51-utils-5.1.25-5.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+db51-utils-5.1.19-6.mga1.x86_64
+selecting maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+set_rejected: maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
+requiring maven-artifact-manager[== 2.2.1-72.mga2],maven-monitor[==
+2.2.1-72.mga2],maven-plugin-registry[== 2.2.1-72.mga2],maven-profile[==
+2.2.1-72.mga2],maven-project[== 2.2.1-72.mga2],maven-toolchain[==
+2.2.1-72.mga2] for maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+chosen maven-artifact-manager-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch for
+maven-artifact-manager[== 2.2.1-72.mga2]
+selecting maven-artifact-manager-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+chosen maven-toolchain-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch for maven-toolchain[==
+2.2.1-72.mga2]
+selecting maven-toolchain-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+chosen maven-monitor-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch for maven-monitor[==
+2.2.1-72.mga2]
+selecting maven-monitor-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+chosen maven-project-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch for maven-project[==
+2.2.1-72.mga2]
+selecting maven-project-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+requiring maven-plugin-registry,maven-profile for
+maven-project-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+selecting maven-profile-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+selecting maven-plugin-registry-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+chosen maven-profile-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch for maven-profile[==
+2.2.1-72.mga2]
+chosen maven-plugin-registry-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch for
+maven-plugin-registry[== 2.2.1-72.mga2]
+selecting java-rpmbuild-1.7.5-13.mga2.x86_64
+set_rejected: java-rpmbuild-1.7.5-5.mga1.x86_64
+selecting empathy-3.1.3-1.mga2.x86_64
+set_rejected: empathy-3.1.2.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+requiring libtelepathy-farstream.so.0()(64bit) for
+empathy-3.1.3-1.mga2.x86_64
+chosen lib64telepathy-farstream0-0.1.1-1.mga2.x86_64 for
+libtelepathy-farstream.so.0()(64bit)
+selecting lib64telepathy-farstream0-0.1.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+selecting gnome-control-center-3.1.3-6.mga2.x86_64
+set_rejected: gnome-control-center-3.1.3-5.mga2.x86_64
+To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
+ Package Version Release Arch
+(medium &quot;Core Release&quot;)
+ empathy 3.1.3 1.mga2 x86_64
+ gnome-control-center 3.1.3 6.mga2 x86_64
+ java-rpmbuild 1.7.5 13.mga2 x86_64
+ lib64telepathy-farstream0 0.1.1 1.mga2 x86_64
+ maven-artifact-manager 2.2.1 72.mga2 noarch
+ maven2 2.2.1 72.mga2 noarch
+(medium &quot;Core 32bit Release&quot;)
+ maven-monitor 2.2.1 72.mga2 noarch
+ maven-plugin-registry 2.2.1 72.mga2 noarch
+ maven-profile 2.2.1 72.mga2 noarch
+ maven-project 2.2.1 72.mga2 noarch
+ maven-toolchain 2.2.1 72.mga2 noarch
+1.1MB of additional disk space will be used.
+6.8MB of packages will be retrieved.
+Proceed with the installation of the 11 packages? (Y/n)
+opening rpmdb (root=, write=)
+getting graph of dependencies for sorting
+sorting graph of dependencies
+rpms sorted by dependencies:
+gnome-control-center
+lib64telepathy-farstream0
+empathy
+maven-artifact-manager
+maven-toolchain
+maven-plugin-registry
+maven-profile
+maven-monitor
+maven-project
+maven2
+java-rpmbuild
+selecting maven-toolchain-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+selecting maven-monitor-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+selecting maven-plugin-registry-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+selecting maven-profile-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+selecting maven-artifact-manager-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+selecting lib64telepathy-farstream0-0.1.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+selecting empathy-3.1.3-1.mga2.x86_64
+set_rejected: empathy-3.1.2.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+selecting gnome-control-center-3.1.3-6.mga2.x86_64
+set_rejected: gnome-control-center-3.1.3-5.mga2.x86_64
+transaction valid: remove=
+update=maven-toolchain,maven-plugin-registry,maven-profile,lib64telepathy-farstream0,maven-artifact-manager,maven-monitor,empathy,gnome-control-center
+selecting maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+set_rejected: maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
+requiring maven-project[== 2.2.1-72.mga2] for maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+chosen maven-project-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch for maven-project[==
+2.2.1-72.mga2]
+selecting maven-project-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+selecting java-rpmbuild-1.7.5-13.mga2.x86_64
+set_rejected: java-rpmbuild-1.7.5-5.mga1.x86_64
+transaction valid: remove= update=maven2,java-rpmbuild,maven-project
+scheduled sets of transactions:
+remove=0=
+update=8=maven-toolchain,maven-plugin-registry,maven-profile,lib64telepathy-farstream0,maven-artifact-manager,maven-monitor,empathy,gnome-control-center
+remove=0= update=3=maven2,java-rpmbuild,maven-project
+
+
+verifying signature of
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/maven-plugin-registry-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm
+verifying signature of
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/maven-artifact-manager-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm
+verifying signature of
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/lib64telepathy-farstream0-0.1.1-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+verifying signature of
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/maven-toolchain-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm
+verifying signature of
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/maven-profile-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm
+verifying signature of
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/maven-monitor-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm
+verifying signature of
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/empathy-3.1.3-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+verifying signature of
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/gnome-control-center-3.1.3-6.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+installing maven-plugin-registry-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm
+maven-artifact-manager-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm
+lib64telepathy-farstream0-0.1.1-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+maven-toolchain-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm
+maven-profile-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm
+maven-monitor-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm empathy-3.1.3-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+gnome-control-center-3.1.3-6.mga2.x86_64.rpm from
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release
+starting installing packages
+opening rpmdb (root=, write=1)
+created transaction for installing on / (remove=0, install=0, upgrade=8)
+trans: scheduling update of maven-plugin-registry-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+(id=15224,
+file=/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/maven-plugin-registry-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm)
+trans: scheduling update of maven-artifact-manager-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+(id=15226,
+file=/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/maven-artifact-manager-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm)
+trans: scheduling update of
+lib64telepathy-farstream0-0.1.1-1.mga2.x86_64 (id=15218,
+file=/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/lib64telepathy-farstream0-0.1.1-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm)
+trans: scheduling update of maven-toolchain-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+(id=15225,
+file=/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/maven-toolchain-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm)
+trans: scheduling update of maven-profile-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+(id=15228,
+file=/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/maven-profile-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm)
+trans: scheduling update of maven-monitor-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+(id=15223,
+file=/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/maven-monitor-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm)
+trans: scheduling update of empathy-3.1.3-1.mga2.x86_64 (id=15222,
+file=/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/empathy-3.1.3-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm)
+trans: scheduling update of gnome-control-center-3.1.3-6.mga2.x86_64
+(id=15199,
+file=/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/gnome-control-center-3.1.3-6.mga2.x86_64.rpm)
+Preparing...
+#############################################
+Installation failed:
+ file /usr/share/java/maven2/maven-monitor.jar from install of
+maven-monitor-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch conflicts with file from package
+maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
+ file /usr/share/java/maven2/maven-profile.jar from install of
+maven-profile-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch conflicts with file from package
+maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
+ file /usr/share/java/maven2/maven-toolchain.jar from install of
+maven-toolchain-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch conflicts with file from package
+maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
+ file /usr/share/java/maven2/maven-artifact-manager.jar from
+install of maven-artifact-manager-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch conflicts with
+file from package maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
+ file
+/usr/share/maven2/poms/JPP.maven2-maven-artifact-manager.pom from
+install of maven-artifact-manager-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch conflicts with
+file from package maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
+ file /usr/share/java/maven2/maven-plugin-registry.jar from
+install of maven-plugin-registry-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch conflicts with
+file from package maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
+
+
+
+verifying signature of
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm
+verifying signature of
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/java-rpmbuild-1.7.5-13.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+verifying signature of
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/maven-project-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm
+installing maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm
+java-rpmbuild-1.7.5-13.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+maven-project-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm from
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release
+starting installing packages
+opening rpmdb (root=, write=1)
+created transaction for installing on / (remove=0, install=0, upgrade=3)
+trans: scheduling update of maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch (id=15227,
+file=/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm)
+trans: scheduling update of java-rpmbuild-1.7.5-13.mga2.x86_64
+(id=15236,
+file=/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/java-rpmbuild-1.7.5-13.mga2.x86_64.rpm)
+trans: scheduling update of maven-project-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+(id=15229,
+file=/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/maven-project-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch.rpm)
+Installation failed:
+ maven-artifact-manager = 2.2.1-72.mga2 is needed by
+maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+ maven-profile = 2.2.1-72.mga2 is needed by
+maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+ maven-monitor = 2.2.1-72.mga2 is needed by
+maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+ maven-plugin-registry = 2.2.1-72.mga2 is needed by
+maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+ maven-toolchain = 2.2.1-72.mga2 is needed by
+maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+ maven-artifact-manager is needed by
+maven-project-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+ maven-profile is needed by maven-project-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+ maven-plugin-registry is needed by
+maven-project-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+
+Installation failed: file /usr/share/java/maven2/maven-monitor.jar
+from install of maven-monitor-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch conflicts with file
+from package maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
+ file /usr/share/java/maven2/maven-profile.jar from install of
+maven-profile-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch conflicts with file from package
+maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
+ file /usr/share/java/maven2/maven-toolchain.jar from install of
+maven-toolchain-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch conflicts with file from package
+maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
+ file /usr/share/java/maven2/maven-artifact-manager.jar from
+install of maven-artifact-manager-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch conflicts with
+file from package maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
+ file
+/usr/share/maven2/poms/JPP.maven2-maven-artifact-manager.pom from
+install of maven-artifact-manager-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch conflicts with
+file from package maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
+ file /usr/share/java/maven2/maven-plugin-registry.jar from
+install of maven-plugin-registry-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch conflicts with
+file from package maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
+ maven-artifact-manager = 2.2.1-72.mga2 is needed by
+maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+ maven-profile = 2.2.1-72.mga2 is needed by
+maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+ maven-monitor = 2.2.1-72.mga2 is needed by
+maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+ maven-plugin-registry = 2.2.1-72.mga2 is needed by
+maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+ maven-toolchain = 2.2.1-72.mga2 is needed by
+maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+ maven-artifact-manager is needed by
+maven-project-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+ maven-profile is needed by maven-project-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+ maven-plugin-registry is needed by
+maven-project-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch
+unlocking urpmi database
+unlocking rpm database
+EXITING (pid=31440)
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>On 07/19/2011 12:08 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> auto-select: adding maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch replacing
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+&gt;<i> On 07/19/2011 12:08 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> auto-select: adding maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch replacing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
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+</I>&gt;<i> Actually, it looks like it *is* supposed to replace, so why the conflicts ?
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+As everybody else, I want to suggest some things for Mageia.
+One is just a simple update request, that could have gone through bugzilla,
+but it is closely related to the other...
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+My suggestions:
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+- update CUDA to 4.0 (easy)
+- (not so easy) As today, CUDA does not work with gcc-4.5 and upwards.
+ In madriva there is a gcc42 package, but that has not been imported to
+ Mageia, and anyways looks a bit old.
+ So in short CUDA is unusable in mageia nowadays.
+ What I propose is to have a gcc4 package, that contains the latest
+ gcc-4.x.y (currently 4.4.6).
+ Then we could setup things in CUDA to use that gcc instead of standard (I
+ did it for myself but can try at system level).
+ At least c,c++ and fortran would be usefull in that package.
+
+How hard would this be ? How complicated is to have two full compilers+libraries
+in a system ? Current gcc is already installed as gcc-4.5.2 and uses
+alternatives, but not so fortran and others...
+Do you see any other solution ?
+
+Thanks for your attention...
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+or make a bug report, but I have seen some
+discussion on the new kernel.
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+System: 64-bit
+Upgraded from Mandriva via internet (no problem)
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+When I upgraded to the kernel 2.6.38.8,
+the proprietary driver was not installed.
+I went to the Diplay, my ATI HD 2000 was
+recognized, and I was asked if I wanted
+to use the proprietary driver. I answered yes, but
+nothing apparently happened, and indeed, the driver is
+not in use, and I cannot access 3D effects. This of
+course did not happened with the previous kernel.
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+Alberto
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+--
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+Prof. Alberto Girlando
+Parma University
+Dip Chimica Generale ed Inorganica,
+Chimica analitica e Chimica Fisica
+Parco Area delle Scienze 17/a
+43100-I Parma, Italy
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+FAX +39 0521 905556
+e-mail: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">girlando at unipr.it</A>
+www: <A HREF="http://continfo.chim.unipr.it/mmaa/">http://continfo.chim.unipr.it/mmaa/</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 19.07.2011 19:13, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 07/19/2011 12:08 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> auto-select: adding maven2-2.2.1-72.mga2.noarch replacing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> maven2-2.2.1-70.mga1.noarch
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Actually, it looks like it *is* supposed to replace, so why the conflicts ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> dmorgan forgot to add conflicts entries when he moved files between
+</I>&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+my bad :/
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+record sound properly via PulseAudio. It outputs to PulseAudio fine, so
+it's just the input layer that's f**ked. Flash never was very good with
+it's audio handling :(
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+<A HREF="http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-7441">http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-7441</A>
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+Col.
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+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+ Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
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+&gt;<i> I am not sure I have to post here
+</I>&gt;<i> or make a bug report, but I have seen some
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion on the new kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Always do a bug report.
+
+&gt;<i> System: 64-bit
+</I>&gt;<i> Upgraded from Mandriva via internet (no problem)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When I upgraded to the kernel 2.6.38.8,
+</I>&gt;<i> the proprietary driver was not installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> I went to the Diplay, my ATI HD 2000 was
+</I>&gt;<i> recognized, and I was asked if I wanted
+</I>&gt;<i> to use the proprietary driver. I answered yes, but
+</I>&gt;<i> nothing apparently happened, and indeed, the driver is
+</I>&gt;<i> not in use, and I cannot access 3D effects. This of
+</I>&gt;<i> course did not happened with the previous kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> On 19 July 2011 11:45, Ahmad Samir&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's required by empathy to have call support. However some other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages (telepathy-qt4 and telepathy-call-ui) still use the old
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -farsight, so renaming the current package in SVN will render those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> two packages not build-able, until their perspective upstream adapt to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the changes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I'll copy telepathy-farsight to -farstream is SVN and submit it as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a separate package, then when it's not needed any more we can add the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proper obsoletes against telepathy-farsight.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> FWIW, on further investigation, empathy still checks for
+</I>&gt;<i> telepathy-farsight, which doesn't make sense; (I'll try patching it).
+</I>
+Couldn't we package telepathy-farstream with a provides telepathy-farsight to
+get around this problem ?
+(As was done with rarian for scrollkeeper.)
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+Or are they incompatible ?
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+One has experiences including informal MDV packaging, and developing an open
+source game.
+The other is interested in console and associated packages among other things.
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+More info at
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_table">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_table</A>
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+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ mgarepo maintdb --help
+</I>&gt;<i> Usage:
+</I>&gt;<i> Take maintainership of one package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See who is maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb get
+</I>
+I tried on mga 1 :
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+mgarepo maintdb get rtmpdump
+sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
+error: command failed: ssh pkgsubmit.mageia.org /usr/local/bin/wrapper.maintdb
+get rtmpdump
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+While my ssh key is ok for mgarepo co . Am I the only one?
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+Usual mail on missing packages. Please have a look on that list to decrease it:
+<A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
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+This is important to clean this list. Please report on this thread
+anything you do for it.
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+Cheers
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+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> as discussed on irc from time to time since years , and as proposed on
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-June/006153.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-June/006153.html</A> , I
+</I>&gt;<i> have implemented a script to clean orphan automatically.
+</I>
+One more mail I had missed :/
+
+&gt;<i> As said in the mail, the delay is 2 weeks of presence, and 1 month
+</I>&gt;<i> after, total removal. I didn't deployed it yet, as I would like to have
+</I>&gt;<i> some feedback and review ( but if no one step for that, I will do it
+</I>&gt;<i> myself in a few days ).
+</I>
+I used had a script to do that after manual review (except for
+kernels), for things which are not libs changing majors I try to ask
+people if they forgot Obsoletes or if this intended before doing the
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+&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 19 July 2011 11:45, Ahmad Samir&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; &#160;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's required by empathy to have call support. However some other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages (telepathy-qt4 and telepathy-call-ui) still use the old
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -farsight, so renaming the current package in SVN will render those
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> two packages not build-able, until their perspective upstream adapt to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the changes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So I'll copy telepathy-farsight to -farstream is SVN and submit it as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a separate package, then when it's not needed any more we can add the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proper obsoletes against telepathy-farsight.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> FWIW, on further investigation, empathy still checks for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> telepathy-farsight, which doesn't make sense; (I'll try patching it).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Couldn't we package telepathy-farstream with a provides telepathy-farsight
+</I>&gt;<i> to get around this problem ?
+</I>&gt;<i> (As was done with rarian for scrollkeeper.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or are they incompatible ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+No we can't, because telepathy-farstream isn't API/ABI compatible with
+telepathy-farsight.
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
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+</I>&gt;<i> Usual mail on missing packages. Please have a look on that list to decrease it:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> This is important to clean this list. Please report on this thread
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+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+xcb-util bits, will be fixed when the script to remove binary rpms
+that have no scr.rpm, is deployed (they're remnants of the old
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+(resent from mageia-sysadm, it was mean for -dev )
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+This morning, I deployed a youri hook to unpack rpmlint configuration on
+valstar when rpmlint-mageia-policy is uploaded, thus allowing to sync
+the list of exceptions from the package ( which is the canonical one )
+with the build system. So while this may seems uninteresting for the
+vast majority of packagers and cauldron testers ( and it is ), this has
+some practical effects.
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+The last attempt ( for unexpanded-macro ) showed some false positives,
+and we were not able to properly keep a exception list. Now, with this,
+we can.
+
+So that mean we can reenable the check 'unexpanded-macro' and others.
+
+While I am quite sure enabling it now will trigger a much faster
+response rate ( because people will not have the choice ), I will enable
+them in a few days, to let the time to packagers to send exceptions to
+be added to the packages.
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+So if, when testing packages before upload, you see a error that would
+block upload, and that is a false positive, just send a email and I will
+add it ( or just add it to the rpmlint-mageia-policy package, and submit
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+perl-dist-zilla-* cannot be updated till bug #1839 is fixed.
+i provided a patch for this bug this afternoon, it needs to be reviewed,
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 20 juillet 2011 &#224; 13:31 +0000, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --- Comment #15 from Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; 2011-07-20 17:31:00 CEST ---
+</I>&gt;<i> (In reply to comment #14)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If people want someone from sysadmin team to react, maybe the team should be in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; CC ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We do not read every possible bug reports to see if by chance, someone need our
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then sysadm team should update the updates policy to state so,
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+</I>
+Well, the policy is not a step by step procedure, at least, it doesn't
+look like one.
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+But yes, the procedure should be amended.
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 20 juillet 2011 16:10:24, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 20 juillet 2011 &#224; 13:31 +0000, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --- Comment #15 from Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; 2011-07-20
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 17:31:00 CEST --- (In reply to comment #14)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; If people want someone from sysadmin team to react, maybe the team
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; should be in CC ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; We do not read every possible bug reports to see if by chance, someone
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; need our help.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Then sysadm team should update the updates policy to state so,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, the policy is not a step by step procedure, at least, it doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> look like one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But yes, the procedure should be amended.
+</I>
+There's a step by step procedure for QA validation here :
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_updates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_updates</A>
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+Currently it says to assign to the security group for security bugs, and to
+let assigned to qa-bugs for other updates.
+
+Boklm reacted to that saying that there should be a way to differentiate
+updates being tested from updates needing to be pushed, and proposed to add a
+validated_update keyword for that.
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+So now we need to decide what's best and do it :)
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+<PRE>It's just a reminder :
+there seemed to be a consensus about using freeglut instead of mesaglut (as all other distributions do, excepted Mandriva)
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+Because of compatiblity when upgrading from Mandriva this couldn't be done for Mageia1 ...
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+Now this might be done in cauldron : some rpms are already built with mesaglut-devel and require mesaglut
+they need to have their spec modified and to be rebuilt:
+(buildrequires : freeglut-devel instead of mesaglut-devel)
+(requires freeglut instead of mesaglut)
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+Here is the list
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+crack-attack
+cultivation
+enblend
+gl-117
+gpac
+hugin
+jasper
+libmgl-glut5
+libtiff-progs (tesseracttrainer requires libtiff-progs, perhaps it need to be rebuilt too)
+mesa-demos
+ocaml-lablgl
+openscenegraph (flightgear and simgear require openscenegraph , maybe they need to be rebuilt too)
+perl-OpenGL
+pymol
+ruby-rbogl
+supertuxkart
+vegastrike
+
+Maybe some others that I forgot ...
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+NB : freeglut and freeglut-devel rpms cannot be installed if mesaglut and mesaglut-devel are installed ...
+
+Maybe all these rebuilt rpms need to be pushed in core-update-testing and tested by testers having installed freeglut instead of mesaglut.
+In a second time if this was OK, they may be pushed to core and freeglut may obsolete mesaglut
+(an option in mesa spec allows to skip mesaglut building)
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+Hope this will help
+
+Philippe
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+&gt;<i> NB : freeglut and freeglut-devel rpms cannot be installed if mesaglut and
+</I>&gt;<i> mesaglut-devel are installed ...
+</I>Maybe we could make devel packages obsoleting old packages at first.
+So that it will automatically picked up.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe all these rebuilt rpms need to be pushed &#160;in core-update-testing and
+</I>&gt;<i> tested by testers having installed freeglut instead of mesaglut.
+</I>&gt;<i> In a second time if this was OK, they may be pushed to core and freeglut may
+</I>&gt;<i> obsolete mesaglut
+</I>&gt;<i> (an option in mesa spec allows to skip mesaglut building)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hope this will help
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Philippe
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+Late as usual ( to roughly quote and translate ennael on irc &quot;what, it
+is already wenesday ?&quot; ), we will be having a meeting tonight.
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+Quick agenda :
+- review of pending task ( but I didn't found much )
+- specs
+- QA of updates
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+--
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+<PRE>2011/7/20 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Late as usual ( to roughly quote and translate ennael on irc &quot;what, it
+</I>&gt;<i> is already wenesday ?&quot; ), we will be having a meeting tonight.ou
+</I>
+(old people you know...)
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Quick agenda :
+</I>&gt;<i> - review of pending task ( but I didn't found much )
+</I>&gt;<i> - specs
+</I>&gt;<i> - QA of updates
+</I>
+- short notice about current work for final wiki
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 20 juillet 2011 18:20:33, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Late as usual ( to roughly quote and translate ennael on irc &quot;what, it
+</I>&gt;<i> is already wenesday ?&quot; ), we will be having a meeting tonight.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Quick agenda :
+</I>&gt;<i> - review of pending task ( but I didn't found much )
+</I>&gt;<i> - specs
+</I>&gt;<i> - QA of updates
+</I>
++ ennael asked that there be a weekly mentoring review. I would like that we
+use this to find mentors for the 2 apprentices who are patiently waiting and if
+possible not end the meeting until we have found them :)
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+<PRE>On Thursday 21 July 2011 00:15:03 Funda Wang wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/21 Philippe DIDIER &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; NB : freeglut and freeglut-devel rpms cannot be installed if mesaglut
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mesaglut-devel are installed ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we could make devel packages obsoleting old packages at first.
+</I>&gt;<i> So that it will automatically picked up.
+</I>I'm not sure it's wise to go that way because if i'm not wrong some packages
+may need patch to works with freeglut &amp; with that we'll simply end up with
+broken package.
+We should better follow philippe suggestion
+We do not have that much package by the way :
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+urpmf --requires mesaglut-devel --media Core_SRPMS_release
+libcaca:libmesaglut-devel
+mesa-demos:mesaglut-devel
+gle:libmesaglut-devel[&gt;= 4.0.1]
+xscreensaver:mesaglut-devel
+briquolo:mesaglut-devel
+enblend:mesaglut-devel
+quesoglc:mesaglut-devel
+teeworlds:mesaglut-devel
+fltk2:mesaglut-devel
+celestia:libmesaglut-devel
+python-opengl:mesaglut-devel
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+crack-attack:mesaglut-devel
+navit:mesaglut-devel
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+cultivation:mesaglut-devel
+perl-OpenGL:mesaglut-devel
+boinc-client:mesaglut-devel
+hugin:mesaglut-devel
+calligra:mesaglut-devel
+vegastrike:mesaglut-devel
+gl-117:mesaglut-devel
+ruby-rbogl:mesaglut-devel
+openscenegraph:mesaglut-devel
+audacious-plugins:libmesaglut-devel
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+Regards,
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+--
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+<PRE>2011/7/21 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> We do not have that much package by the way :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmf --requires mesaglut-devel --media Core_SRPMS_release
+</I>I guess some of them even do not need libglut, maybe libgl and libglu
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+<PRE>20.07.2011 19:20, Michael Scherer kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Late as usual ( to roughly quote and translate ennael on irc &quot;what, it
+</I>&gt;<i> is already wenesday ?&quot; ), we will be having a meeting tonight.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Quick agenda :
+</I>&gt;<i> - review of pending task ( but I didn't found much )
+</I>&gt;<i> - specs
+</I>&gt;<i> - QA of updates
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>What about backports policy?
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+&gt;<i> 20.07.2011 19:20, Michael Scherer kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Late as usual ( to roughly quote and translate ennael on irc &quot;what, it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is already wenesday ?&quot; ), we will be having a meeting tonight.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Quick agenda :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - review of pending task ( but I didn't found much )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - specs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - QA of updates
+</I>I won't make it tonight, but I will follow the logs.
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+I deployed the quck fix I proposed for bug #914
+( <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=914">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=914</A> ).
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+So ssh-agent forowarding should no longer be needed.
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+Now, if something break ( should not be the case, I tested ) and you
+cannot submit, please tell me on irc and I will take a look.
+--
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 20 juillet 2011 &#224; 22:13 +0200, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I deployed the quck fix I proposed for bug #914
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=914">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=914</A> ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So ssh-agent forowarding should no longer be needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, if something break ( should not be the case, I tested ) and you
+</I>&gt;<i> cannot submit, please tell me on irc and I will take a look.
+</I>
+Ok, so not everything worked as expect, I am on it.
+--
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 21 juillet 2011 &#224; 01:53 +0200, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 20 juillet 2011 &#224; 22:13 +0200, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I deployed the quck fix I proposed for bug #914
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=914">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=914</A> ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So ssh-agent forowarding should no longer be needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now, if something break ( should not be the case, I tested ) and you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cannot submit, please tell me on irc and I will take a look.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, so not everything worked as expect, I am on it.
+</I>
+Buildsystem is working again.
+--
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 20 juillet 2011 &#224; 19:58 +0300, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 20.07.2011 19:20, Michael Scherer kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Late as usual ( to roughly quote and translate ennael on irc &quot;what, it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is already wenesday ?&quot; ), we will be having a meeting tonight.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Quick agenda :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - review of pending task ( but I didn't found much )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - specs
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - QA of updates
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> What about backports policy?
+</I>
+I think someone should take the time to summarize the discussion. I am
+not sure I will be able before next week, I was quite busy on sysadmin
+side, and I have some tasks to finish before that.
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+<PRE>On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 01:55:28 am Anne nicolas wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Usual mail on missing packages. Please have a look on that list to decrease
+</I>&gt;<i> it: <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is important to clean this list. Please report on this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> anything you do for it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>
+I have several (The horde related) and it will take some time to get this all
+done. there are about 30 packages I need to redo and the names all cahnge to a
+php-pear-Horde_Cxxxx style
+then there is the perlapi-5.12.2 which comes from swish-e that doesn't build
+on a 32 bit system. I am working with upstream to get it fixed, but they take
+their time.
+But there is one package I have a problem I cannot explain and I would like
+some help:
+php-pear-channel-symfony
+I have build this package twice with, well at least the system says so ( and I
+can install it locally), but it never makes it over to the mirrors.
+I checked the spelling, compared it with other channel packages, compared it
+to SUSE and all looks good.
+If someone find a little spare time... it would be appreciated
+
+--
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+<PRE>On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 08:21:40 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 01:55:28 am Anne nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Usual mail on missing packages. Please have a look on that list to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; decrease it: <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is important to clean this list. Please report on this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; anything you do for it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have several (The horde related) and it will take some time to get this
+</I>&gt;<i> all done. there are about 30 packages I need to redo and the names all
+</I>&gt;<i> cahnge to a php-pear-Horde_Cxxxx style
+</I>&gt;<i> then there is the perlapi-5.12.2 which comes from swish-e that doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> build on a 32 bit system. I am working with upstream to get it fixed, but
+</I>&gt;<i> they take their time.
+</I>&gt;<i> But there is one package I have a problem I cannot explain and I would like
+</I>&gt;<i> some help:
+</I>&gt;<i> php-pear-channel-symfony
+</I>&gt;<i> I have build this package twice with, well at least the system says so (
+</I>&gt;<i> and I can install it locally), but it never makes it over to the mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i> I checked the spelling, compared it with other channel packages, compared
+</I>&gt;<i> it to SUSE and all looks good.
+</I>&gt;<i> If someone find a little spare time... it would be appreciated
+</I>
+I found this:
+php-pear-channel-symfony found in incorrect media core.x86_64 (allowed
+core.i586) error
+
+Why did it go to core.x86_64 it's a noarch package
+How do I move (or remove) this?
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+&gt;<i> On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 08:21:40 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 01:55:28 am Anne nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Usual mail on missing packages. Please have a look on that list to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; decrease it: <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; This is important to clean this list. Please report on this thread
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; anything you do for it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have several (The horde related) and it will take some time to get this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all done. there are about 30 packages I need to redo and the names all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cahnge to a php-pear-Horde_Cxxxx style
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then there is the perlapi-5.12.2 which comes from swish-e that doesn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> build on a 32 bit system. I am working with upstream to get it fixed, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> they take their time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But there is one package I have a problem I cannot explain and I would like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some help:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> php-pear-channel-symfony
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have build this package twice with, well at least the system says so (
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and I can install it locally), but it never makes it over to the mirrors.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I checked the spelling, compared it with other channel packages, compared
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it to SUSE and all looks good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If someone find a little spare time... it would be appreciated
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I found this:
+</I>&gt;<i> php-pear-channel-symfony found in incorrect media core.x86_64 (allowed
+</I>&gt;<i> core.i586) &#160; &#160; &#160;error
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why did it go to core.x86_64 it's a noarch package
+</I>&gt;<i> How do I move (or remove) this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+noarch packages are copied to both i586 and x86_64 repos, so the error
+on <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A> doesn't make sense to me.
+
+Another issue it php-pear-channel-symfony provides and obsoletes
+_itself_, this is wrong, IIUC. (I've submitted a new package fixing
+this issue).
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+<PRE>2011/7/21 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> On 21 July 2011 05:50, Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 08:21:40 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 01:55:28 am Anne nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Usual mail on missing packages. Please have a look on that list to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; decrease it: <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; This is important to clean this list. Please report on this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; anything you do for it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I have several (The horde related) and it will take some time to get
+</I>&gt;<i> this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; all done. there are about 30 packages I need to redo and the names all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; cahnge to a php-pear-Horde_Cxxxx style
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; then there is the perlapi-5.12.2 which comes from swish-e that doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; build on a 32 bit system. I am working with upstream to get it fixed,
+</I>&gt;<i> but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; they take their time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But there is one package I have a problem I cannot explain and I would
+</I>&gt;<i> like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; some help:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; php-pear-channel-symfony
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I have build this package twice with, well at least the system says so (
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and I can install it locally), but it never makes it over to the
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I checked the spelling, compared it with other channel packages,
+</I>&gt;<i> compared
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; it to SUSE and all looks good.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If someone find a little spare time... it would be appreciated
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I found this:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; php-pear-channel-symfony found in incorrect media core.x86_64 (allowed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; core.i586) error
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Why did it go to core.x86_64 it's a noarch package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How do I move (or remove) this?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> noarch packages are copied to both i586 and x86_64 repos, so the error
+</I>&gt;<i> on <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A> doesn't make sense to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another issue it php-pear-channel-symfony provides and obsoletes
+</I>&gt;<i> _itself_, this is wrong, IIUC. (I've submitted a new package fixing
+</I>&gt;<i> this issue).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>IIRC, It's a known problem that if you obsolete noarch package it's only
+removed from i586 repos.
+
+--
+Jani V&#228;limaa
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+<PRE>On 21 July 2011 08:51, Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/7/21 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 21 July 2011 05:50, Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 08:21:40 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 01:55:28 am Anne nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Usual mail on missing packages. Please have a look on that list to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; decrease it: <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; This is important to clean this list. Please report on this thread
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; anything you do for it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I have several (The horde related) and it will take some time to get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; all done. there are about 30 packages I need to redo and the names all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; cahnge to a php-pear-Horde_Cxxxx style
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; then there is the perlapi-5.12.2 which comes from swish-e that doesn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; build on a 32 bit system. I am working with upstream to get it fixed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; they take their time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But there is one package I have a problem I cannot explain and I would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; some help:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; php-pear-channel-symfony
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I have build this package twice with, well at least the system says so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and I can install it locally), but it never makes it over to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mirrors.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I checked the spelling, compared it with other channel packages,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; compared
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; it to SUSE and all looks good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If someone find a little spare time... it would be appreciated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I found this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; php-pear-channel-symfony found in incorrect media core.x86_64 (allowed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; core.i586) &#160; &#160; &#160;error
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Why did it go to core.x86_64 it's a noarch package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; How do I move (or remove) this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> noarch packages are copied to both i586 and x86_64 repos, so the error
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A> doesn't make sense to me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Another issue it php-pear-channel-symfony provides and obsoletes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _itself_, this is wrong, IIUC. (I've submitted a new package fixing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this issue).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIRC, It's a known problem that if you obsolete noarch package it's only
+</I>&gt;<i> removed from i586 repos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That probably explains the issue; the new package is no available on both archs.
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 2:4.6.5-0.1.mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 123536
+</I>&gt;<i> - Update patch200 to really fix mga #897
+</I>&gt;<i> - Update tarball to KDE SC 4.6.5 :
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- Fix several upstream patch ( see <A HREF="http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.6.5.php">http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.6.5.php</A> )
+</I>&gt;<i> - Add patch200 from 4.7 branch to fix mga #897 &amp; kde #271331 (Broken documentation with docbook-xsl 1.76)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Move dbus files from -devel to -core package
+</I>&gt;<i> - Drop patchs merged upstream
+</I>
+This is broken:
+
+installing /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64kemoticons4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+/mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64kio5-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
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+/mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64kparts4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
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+/mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/kdelibs4-core-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
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+/mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64nepomukquery4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+Preparing...
+#####################################################################################################################################################
+Installation failed: file /usr/share/locale/en_US/entry.desktop
+from install of kdelibs4-core-2:4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64 conflicts with
+file from package kde-l10n-en_US-2:4.6.2-7.mga1.x86_64
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+&gt;<i> On 13 July 2011 04:29, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 2:4.6.5-0.1.mga1:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 123536
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Update patch200 to really fix mga #897
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Update tarball to KDE SC 4.6.5 :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- Fix several upstream patch ( see <A HREF="http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.6.5.php">http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.6.5.php</A> )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Add patch200 from 4.7 branch to fix mga #897 &amp; kde #271331 (Broken documentation with docbook-xsl 1.76)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Move dbus files from -devel to -core package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Drop patchs merged upstream
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is broken:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> installing /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64kemoticons4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64kio5-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64kjsembed4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64kparts4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64kntlm4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64katepartinterfaces4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64kfile4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64kjs4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64khtml5-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64solid4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64kdecore5-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates/mageia-kde4-config-common-1-12.1.mga1.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates/Default-kde4-config-1-12.1.mga1.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64krosscore4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64kunittest4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64kdeui5-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64ktexteditor4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64nepomuk4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64kcmutils4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/kdelibs4-core-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64nepomukutils4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> /mageia/stable/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/lib64nepomukquery4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;<i> #####################################################################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed: &#160; &#160;file /usr/share/locale/en_US/entry.desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> from install of kdelibs4-core-2:4.6.5-0.1.mga1.x86_64 conflicts with
+</I>&gt;<i> file from package kde-l10n-en_US-2:4.6.2-7.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You have a pre-mga1 package,
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110503/004364.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110503/004364.html</A>
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+here : <A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/">https://ml.mageia.org/</A> )
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+Hello to everyone,
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+I've been given the task to gather the QA team members so that we can know who
+we are, how many, etc. In the same time, because I already know that we are
+not very numerous, this is also a call for you to join it if you can devote
+some time to testing future updates to the stable release.
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+So, the first step we need is for you to join the qa-discuss mailing list, and
+say hello and who you are :)
+
+Also, joining the qa-bugs mailing list is the best way to follow current
+testing, see new updates candidates, etc.
+
+Useful links :
+- updates policy :
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+- updates testing procedure :
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_updates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_updates</A>
+- list of current update candidates :
+<A HREF="http://petitlien.fr/qa-testing">http://petitlien.fr/qa-testing</A>
+
+The more people we will be in the team, the less each of us will have to do !
+
+This is also very important, because, as I said in the subject of this mail,
+there will be no Long Term Support (LTS) version of Mageia if we already have
+difficulty supporting only 1 release.
+
+Last word, if you are interested in security matters, the security team is
+looking for help too.
+
+P.S. : please forward the call to the forums, your blogs or anywhere else :)
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+<PRE>Le mardi 19 juillet 2011 11:49:24, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 19 juillet 2011 11:38:01, Manuel Hiebel a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Could we add a keyword &quot;validated_update&quot; to bugs that are ready to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; be moved to updates, so they can be found easily ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; That would be useful indeed, the number of update candidates is growing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; and it's not easy to differentiate those who need testing and those who
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; need to be pushed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yep, can we add this ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No one said no, I'd say let's go :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I added the validated_update keyword to several update requests. We need to
+add also <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sysadm-bugs at ml.mageia.org</A> in CC, but there's an extension being set
+so that it's automatic when you add the validated_update keyword.
+
+So now we can differentiate 2 lists :
+- updates that need testing : <A HREF="http://petitlien.fr/qa-testing">http://petitlien.fr/qa-testing</A>
+- updates that have been validated and need to be pushed :
+<A HREF="http://petitlien.fr/updates-push">http://petitlien.fr/updates-push</A>
+
+I don't think I can save and share the searches in bugzilla (or don't know how
+to do) so I haven't done it for now.
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>On 18 July 2011 19:28, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 18.07.2011 17:14, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 18 July 2011 14:13, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Monday 18 July 2011 12:33:34 Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 18/07/11 12:01 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Does it complain about this if one removes the kcm module?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I tested a while ago, we'd have to remove both the kcm module .so and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> .desktop files; I am OK with that, the GTK+ tool provides the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> exact functionalities and is desktop-agnostic (i.e. it won't pull any
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> extra deps AFAICS).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I presume this is all just going into a flash-player-kde package rather
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> than nuked completely?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is it possible to create this package on the fly?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because last time we talked about that on the bug report (
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275</A> ) it was not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You're right, I forgot about that limitation.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @Colin: so, no we can't :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually, it is possible, with some added complexity (extraction of the
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE files from the file downloaded by the main pkg in the -kde subpkg
+</I>&gt;<i> %post script.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll look into it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+FWIW, on further investigation libflashplayer.so checks for
+KDE_FULL_SESSION and KDE_SESSION_VERSION env vars, if they're &quot;true&quot;
+and &quot;4&quot;, respectively, it first tries to load the kcm module then
+falls back to /usr/bin/flash-player-properties, which means a 2-3sec
+lag between selecting &quot;Global Settings&quot; from the right click menu on
+any flash content, to the GTK config dialogue actually showing up.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 20 juillet 2011 07:45:13, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello everybody,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have 2 potential packager apprentices ... who have been waiting already
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 weeks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One has experiences including informal MDV packaging, and developing an
+</I>&gt;<i> open source game.
+</I>&gt;<i> The other is interested in console and associated packages among other
+</I>&gt;<i> things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> More info at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprenti">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprenti</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ce_table
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any qualified Mageia packager willing to help out by mentoring an
+</I>&gt;<i> apprentice would be much appreciated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards :)
+</I>
+2 mentors have been found, but a forgotten apprentice too, so we still need a
+mentor for shadow95
+
+Best regards
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+<PRE>Hi All,
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+I am still trying to pack ZoneMinder for Cauldron.
+Now rpms are generated and rpmlint is not complaining, but I am still
+sure, it's not OK :) , that's why I need help.
+Attached is the spec file, if somebody could have a look.
+
+Here are my questions:
+- where should go the installed files? (Zoneminder provides perl
+modules, the site itself, CGI services , doc and conf).
+- some files have no path's variable:
+/usr/share/man/lib/perl5/5.14.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/perllocal.pod.xz
+/usr/local/share/man/man3/ZoneMinder.3pm
+...
+Any idea, what it should be?
+- what should be the permissions for the site under the apache server?
+- should the %install section creates the database table/permissions
+for ZoneMinder? If so, is there any example how to achieve this?
+- should the %install section creates the service launcher scripts? If
+so, is there any example how to achieve this?
+
+Thanks in advance for you help!
+
+Vincent
+
+
+On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 01 juillet 2011 &#224; 16:08 -0400, Vincent a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've updated the spec according to some of your comments.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The error I have is:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make &#160;install-data-hook
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make[4]: Entering directory `/home/user/rpmbuild/BUILD/ZoneMinder-1.24.4/web'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ( cd /home/user/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/ZoneMinder-1.24.4-1.mga1.x86_64/var/www/ZoneMinder;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> chown apache:apache index.php )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> chown: changing ownership of `index.php': Operation not permitted
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess you need to comment the command in the makefile. In fact, if
+</I>&gt;<i> this is the only thing done by make install-data-hook, just do not run
+</I>&gt;<i> the command.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Should I be root to run rpmbuild??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is usually regarded as a bad practice. And if a rpm requires root
+</I>&gt;<i> privilege to be built it will no go far on our build system.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+At the last packager's meeting I've been given the task of gathering ideas of
+how to measure our resources for supporting releases.
+Part of this is to see if we have (or will likely have) the resources for a LTS
+(long-term support) release.
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+These resources will involve QA, testing, packaging updates, etc.
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+So we're inviting input - there are probably factors overlooked, so don't
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+Regards :)
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+Can you please set SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM to n in the next kernel
+release? I'll be pushing osspd as an option in Mageia for OSS support
+but need this option turned off for it to work.
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+Alsa support should still be possible even if this is turned on.
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+Cheers.
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+Col
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+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
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+&gt;<i> Hi Thomas,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you please set SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM to n in the next kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> release? I'll be pushing osspd as an option in Mageia for OSS support
+</I>&gt;<i> but need this option turned off for it to work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Alsa support should still be possible even if this is turned on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+So done for core kernel, kernel-linus and kernel-vserver in svn, and
+will be submitted to the bs as soon as Linus releases 3.0 final (most
+likely tonight/tomorrow)
+
+current kernel-tmb has it disabled already...
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+--
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 21 juillet 2011 &#224; 16:14 -0400, Vincent a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi All,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am still trying to pack ZoneMinder for Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> Now rpms are generated and rpmlint is not complaining, but I am still
+</I>&gt;<i> sure, it's not OK :) , that's why I need help.
+</I>&gt;<i> Attached is the spec file, if somebody could have a look.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are my questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> - where should go the installed files? (Zoneminder provides perl
+</I>&gt;<i> modules, the site itself, CGI services , doc and conf).
+</I>
+conf -&gt; /etc/ . I would try to see how does others distribution, to have
+at least a similar path to ease the work of people changing distribution
+
+site -&gt; /var/www/zoneminder. Outside of the webroot, so people can
+modify it with apache configuration
+
+apache configuration -&gt; /etc/httpd/conf.d/webapps.d/ , iirc
+
+perl module -&gt; like the other ( maybe jq can tell us the details )
+
+cgi -&gt; I think there is something in /usr/lib/cgi-bin, not sure. I guess
+checking other cgi would help.
+
+doc -&gt; /usr/sharedoc, marked as such with %doc
+
+&gt;<i> - some files have no path's variable:
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/man/lib/perl5/5.14.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/perllocal.pod.xz
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/local/share/man/man3/ZoneMinder.3pm
+</I>
+&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> Any idea, what it should be?
+</I>
+I do not understand the question :/
+
+&gt;<i> - what should be the permissions for the site under the apache server?
+</I>
+that depend on what does the site. There is basically some people that
+say &quot;this should be 127.0.0.1 by default&quot;, and those that say &quot;if people
+installed it, they want to use it on a network and are able to configure
+apache properly, so it should be opened&quot;
+
+&gt;<i> - should the %install section creates the database table/permissions
+</I>&gt;<i> for ZoneMinder? If so, is there any example how to achieve this?
+</I>
+Unfortunately, no. A server can be password protected, on another
+computer, or using a specific database name.
+
+I always wanted to have a proper framework for that ( like saying &quot;this
+is the sql file&quot; and let some helper script take care of the rest, based
+on configuration or offering a easy to use tools to create and install
+database after installation ), but never wrote anything :)
+
+&gt;<i> - should the %install section creates the service launcher scripts? If
+</I>&gt;<i> so, is there any example how to achieve this?
+</I>
+Yes. It was not migrated yet ( or maybe it was ), but this should be a
+good start :
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/Initscripts">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/Initscripts</A>
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+&gt;<i> I don't think I can save and share the searches in bugzilla (or don't know how
+</I>&gt;<i> to do) so I haven't done it for now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>You can go <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches">https://bugs.mageia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches</A>
+I have created &quot;updates-push&quot; and &quot;waiting for qa test&quot;.
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+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 22.7.2011 00:19:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Thomas,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can you please set SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM to n in the next kernel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release? I'll be pushing osspd as an option in Mageia for OSS support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but need this option turned off for it to work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Alsa support should still be possible even if this is turned on.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So done for core kernel, kernel-linus and kernel-vserver in svn, and
+</I>&gt;<i> will be submitted to the bs as soon as Linus releases 3.0 final (most
+</I>&gt;<i> likely tonight/tomorrow)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> current kernel-tmb has it disabled already...
+</I>
+Awesome! Thanks dude.
+
+Col
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>On 21.07.2011 21:13, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 21 July 2011 19:16, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> T-lasku is a Finnish invoicing software for Linux.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It should be explained why it's in tainted...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It is not in tainted, though, and generally we do not have explanations
+for nonfree packages.
+
+This is an interesting case of BSD licensed software without source
+code, so I guess it would be good to either
+a) mention the reason it being in nonfree in the Description, or
+b) change our license tag policy to mark such software as
+ e.g. &quot;Freeware&quot; or &quot;BSD without source&quot;.
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+I slightly prefer a) to avoid complicating the policy for the rare
+cases, but either solution is fine to me.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 22 juillet 2011 &#224; 03:26 +0300, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 21.07.2011 21:13, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 21 July 2011 19:16, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; T-lasku is a Finnish invoicing software for Linux.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It should be explained why it's in tainted...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is not in tainted, though, and generally we do not have explanations
+</I>&gt;<i> for nonfree packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is an interesting case of BSD licensed software without source
+</I>&gt;<i> code, so I guess it would be good to either
+</I>&gt;<i> a) mention the reason it being in nonfree in the Description, or
+</I>&gt;<i> b) change our license tag policy to mark such software as
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. &quot;Freeware&quot; or &quot;BSD without source&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I slightly prefer a) to avoid complicating the policy for the rare
+</I>&gt;<i> cases, but either solution is fine to me.
+</I>
+Technically, we can add any license we want, the license checks are not
+enforced at upload time. But maybe that's something to do, once I will
+run out of ideas to annoy packagers ( ie once the macro-not-expanded
+have been reenabled ).
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+<PRE>On 07/22/2011 01:46 AM, Michael Scherer wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 21 juillet 2011 &#224; 16:14 -0400, Vincent a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi All,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am still trying to pack ZoneMinder for Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now rpms are generated and rpmlint is not complaining, but I am still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure, it's not OK :) , that's why I need help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Attached is the spec file, if somebody could have a look.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here are my questions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - where should go the installed files? (Zoneminder provides perl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> modules, the site itself, CGI services , doc and conf).
+</I>&gt;<i> conf -&gt; /etc/ . I would try to see how does others distribution, to have
+</I>&gt;<i> at least a similar path to ease the work of people changing distribution
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> site -&gt; /var/www/zoneminder. Outside of the webroot, so people can
+</I>&gt;<i> modify it with apache configuration
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> apache configuration -&gt; /etc/httpd/conf.d/webapps.d/ , iirc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> perl module -&gt; like the other ( maybe jq can tell us the details )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cgi -&gt; I think there is something in /usr/lib/cgi-bin, not sure. I guess
+</I>&gt;<i> checking other cgi would help.
+</I>I don't have a /usr/lib/cgi-bi, but I have a /var/www/cgi-bin. Can I put
+them into /var/www/cgi-bin/Zonedaemon ?
+&gt;<i> doc -&gt; /usr/sharedoc, marked as such with %doc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - some files have no path's variable:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/share/man/lib/perl5/5.14.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/perllocal.pod.xz
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/local/share/man/man3/ZoneMinder.3pm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any idea, what it should be?
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not understand the question :/
+</I>I don't know how to specify another path for those entries:
+
+/usr/local/share/man/man3/ZoneMinder.3pm
+
+In makefile I get the following:
+INST_MAN3DIR = blib/man3
+
+How to change this blib path not to point to /usr/local/... ?
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> - what should be the permissions for the site under the apache server?
+</I>&gt;<i> that depend on what does the site. There is basically some people that
+</I>&gt;<i> say &quot;this should be 127.0.0.1 by default&quot;, and those that say &quot;if people
+</I>&gt;<i> installed it, they want to use it on a network and are able to configure
+</I>&gt;<i> apache properly, so it should be opened&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - should the %install section creates the database table/permissions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for ZoneMinder? If so, is there any example how to achieve this?
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately, no. A server can be password protected, on another
+</I>&gt;<i> computer, or using a specific database name.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I always wanted to have a proper framework for that ( like saying &quot;this
+</I>&gt;<i> is the sql file&quot; and let some helper script take care of the rest, based
+</I>&gt;<i> on configuration or offering a easy to use tools to create and install
+</I>&gt;<i> database after installation ), but never wrote anything :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - should the %install section creates the service launcher scripts? If
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so, is there any example how to achieve this?
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes. It was not migrated yet ( or maybe it was ), but this should be a
+</I>&gt;<i> good start :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/Initscripts">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/Initscripts</A>
+</I>Thanks for your help!
+
+Vincent
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+&gt;<i> Hi All,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am still trying to pack ZoneMinder for Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> Now rpms are generated and rpmlint is not complaining, but I am still
+</I>&gt;<i> sure, it's not OK :) , that's why I need help.
+</I>&gt;<i> Attached is the spec file, if somebody could have a look.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are my questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> - where should go the installed files? (Zoneminder provides perl
+</I>&gt;<i> modules, the site itself, CGI services , doc and conf).
+</I>&gt;<i> - some files have no path's variable:
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/man/lib/perl5/5.14.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/perllocal.pod.xz
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/local/share/man/man3/ZoneMinder.3pm
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> Any idea, what it should be?
+</I>&gt;<i> - what should be the permissions for the site under the apache server?
+</I>&gt;<i> - should the %install section creates the database table/permissions
+</I>&gt;<i> for ZoneMinder? If so, is there any example how to achieve this?
+</I>&gt;<i> - should the %install section creates the service launcher scripts? If
+</I>&gt;<i> so, is there any example how to achieve this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks in advance for you help!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Vincent
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+FWIW, Fedora has a zoneminder package
+<A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=zoneminder.git">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=zoneminder.git</A>
+
+They've had it for a long time, so you should find loads of clues over there.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+&gt;<i> On 07/22/2011 01:46 AM, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le jeudi 21 juillet 2011 &#224; 16:14 -0400, Vincent a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi All,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am still trying to pack ZoneMinder for Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now rpms are generated and rpmlint is not complaining, but I am still
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sure, it's not OK :) , that's why I need help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Attached is the spec file, if somebody could have a look.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Here are my questions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - where should go the installed files? (Zoneminder provides perl
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> modules, the site itself, CGI services , doc and conf).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> conf -&gt; &#160;/etc/ . I would try to see how does others distribution, to have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at least a similar path to ease the work of people changing distribution
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> site -&gt; &#160;/var/www/zoneminder. Outside of the webroot, so people can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> modify it with apache configuration
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> apache configuration -&gt; &#160;/etc/httpd/conf.d/webapps.d/ , iirc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perl module -&gt; &#160;like the other ( maybe jq can tell us the details )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cgi -&gt; &#160;I think there is something in /usr/lib/cgi-bin, not sure. I guess
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> checking other cgi would help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't have a /usr/lib/cgi-bi, but I have a /var/www/cgi-bin. Can I put
+</I>&gt;<i> them into /var/www/cgi-bin/Zonedaemon ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> doc -&gt; &#160;/usr/sharedoc, marked as such with %doc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - some files have no path's variable:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/share/man/lib/perl5/5.14.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/perllocal.pod.xz
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/local/share/man/man3/ZoneMinder.3pm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Any idea, what it should be?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I do not understand the question :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know how to specify another path for those entries:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/local/share/man/man3/ZoneMinder.3pm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In makefile I get the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> INST_MAN3DIR = blib/man3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Without looking closely I'd say you can use something like:
+%makeinstall INST_MAN3DIR=%{_mandir}/man3
+
+(note that the Fedora spec doesn't do this, so it mightn't be needed).
+
+(One more thing, all package names should be lowercase if possible, so
+zoneminder).
+
+&gt;<i> How to change this blib path not to point to /usr/local/... ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - what should be the permissions for the site under the apache server?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that depend on what does the site. There is basically some people that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> say &quot;this should be 127.0.0.1 by default&quot;, and those that say &quot;if people
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed it, they want to use it on a network and are able to configure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> apache properly, so it should be opened&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - should the %install section creates the database table/permissions
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for ZoneMinder? If so, is there any example how to achieve this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunately, no. A server can be password protected, on another
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> computer, or using a specific database name.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I always wanted to have a proper framework for that ( like saying &quot;this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is the sql file&quot; and let some helper script take care of the rest, based
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on configuration or offering a easy to use tools to create and install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> database after installation &#160;), but never wrote anything :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - should the %install section creates the service launcher scripts? If
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so, is there any example how to achieve this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes. It was not migrated yet ( or maybe it was ), but this should be a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> good start :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/Initscripts">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/Initscripts</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for your help!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Vincent
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
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+<PRE>On 13 July 2011 10:30, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> ahmad &lt;ahmad&gt; 444-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 123678
+</I>&gt;<i> - Update to 444
+</I>&gt;<i> - Update lesspipe to 1.71
+</I>&gt;<i> - Rediff patch2 (posix)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Drop patch5, fixed differently upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> - Disable the lesspipe tests, (e.g. one of them requires unrar)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;+ tmb &lt;tmb&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- imported package less
+</I>
+I don't understand.
+This is not the first time I see a newly imported package whereas it
+already existed in mga#1:
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+$ rpm -q less --changelog | head -7
+* gwe Gen 07 2011 tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 436-5.mga1
++ Revision: 275
+- imported package less
+
+* gwe Gen 07 2011 Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; 436-5.mga1
+- initial import
+
+And indeed cauldron changelog shows a doble import:
+* mer Gou 13 2011 ahmad &lt;ahmad&gt; 444-1.mga2
++ Revision: 123678
+- Update to 444
+- Update lesspipe to 1.71
+- Rediff patch2 (posix)
+- Drop patch5, fixed differently upstream
+- Disable the lesspipe tests, (e.g. one of them requires unrar)
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+ + tmb &lt;tmb&gt;
+ - imported package less
+
+* gwe Gen 07 2011 Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; 436-5.mga1
+- initial import
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+A bug in mgareport that enables to import twice the same package?
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 18 juin 2011 &#224; 23:25 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 15 June 2011 22:32, Stew Benedict &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stewbintn at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> qa-bugs@ can't be be set as the assignee in bug reports, it should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> made possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that requires to create a account for that. Dmorgan knows, I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't :/ ( and we should document that once the wiki will be installed
+</I>&gt;<i> ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The same for sec team, there should be a way to assign/put-in-CC.
+</I>&gt;<i> That would requires the creation of the secteam as something more formal
+</I>&gt;<i> than now, and for now, that's &quot;no&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> So you should better explain the need about assigning or put a group of
+</I>&gt;<i> people in CC when you can simply put one person for that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sorry, I seem to have missed this email.
+
+I can see <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">security at groups.mageia.org</A> can be set as bug assignee in
+bugzilla now, so the discussion is null at this point.
+
+About the &quot;better explanation&quot;, the benefits of having one generic
+email address set as assignee in security-related bug reports, just
+one point, not having one point of failure, if the only person in the
+sec team becomes unavailable for a prolonged period of time for any
+reason, someone will have to trudge through the bug reports assigned
+to him to change the assignee field, whereas if a generic email
+address is used that won't be necessary.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> The group Amusements/Games/Strategy/Real Time doesn't exist in Mageia. 3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> different packagers haven't seen this ? :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we should check it via rpmlint on package upload ?
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+It used to be.
+I had enabled this @mdv for years.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 22 juillet 2011 &#224; 11:04 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 19 June 2011 15:00, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 18 juin 2011 &#224; 23:25 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 15 June 2011 22:32, Stew Benedict &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stewbintn at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; qa-bugs@ can't be be set as the assignee in bug reports, it should be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; made possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, that requires to create a account for that. Dmorgan knows, I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; don't :/ ( and we should document that once the wiki will be installed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The same for sec team, there should be a way to assign/put-in-CC.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That would requires the creation of the secteam as something more formal
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; than now, and for now, that's &quot;no&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So you should better explain the need about assigning or put a group of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; people in CC when you can simply put one person for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, I seem to have missed this email.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can see <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">security at groups.mageia.org</A> can be set as bug assignee in
+</I>&gt;<i> bugzilla now, so the discussion is null at this point.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> About the &quot;better explanation&quot;, the benefits of having one generic
+</I>&gt;<i> email address set as assignee in security-related bug reports, just
+</I>&gt;<i> one point, not having one point of failure, if the only person in the
+</I>&gt;<i> sec team becomes unavailable for a prolonged period of time for any
+</I>&gt;<i> reason, someone will have to trudge through the bug reports assigned
+</I>&gt;<i> to him to change the assignee field, whereas if a generic email
+</I>&gt;<i> address is used that won't be necessary.
+</I>
+If the only problem is to reassign bugs, then we can write a script.
+
+My main worries are that given that right now, there is 1 single person
+in the group, that change nothing. I would even add that it proves my
+point, using alias mean that people do not know who they assign the bugs
+to.
+
+So while you think there is no point of failure, but there is, and you
+do not see nor know it.
+
+Also, assigning thing to a group of people tend to make them think
+&quot;someone else will do it&quot; :/
+
+Finally, if the problem is &quot;someone can leave and we have to reassign
+bug&quot;, there is nothing special regarding security bugs to that regard,
+and we have the need to reassign others bugs too, and yet, we do not use
+aliases. So why make a exception just for that ?
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+&gt;<i> Hi All,
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+</I>&gt;<i> I am still trying to pack ZoneMinder for Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> Now rpms are generated and rpmlint is not complaining, but I am still
+</I>&gt;<i> sure, it's not OK :) , that's why I need help.
+</I>&gt;<i> Attached is the spec file, if somebody could have a look.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are my questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> - where should go the installed files? (Zoneminder provides perl
+</I>&gt;<i> modules, the site itself, CGI services , doc and conf).
+</I>&gt;<i> - some files have no path's variable:
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/man/lib/perl5/5.14.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/perllocal.pod.xz
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/local/share/man/man3/ZoneMinder.3pm
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> Any idea, what it should be?
+</I>&gt;<i> - what should be the permissions for the site under the apache server?
+</I>&gt;<i> - should the %install section creates the database table/permissions
+</I>&gt;<i> for ZoneMinder? If so, is there any example how to achieve this?
+</I>&gt;<i> - should the %install section creates the service launcher scripts? If
+</I>&gt;<i> so, is there any example how to achieve this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks in advance for you help!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Vincent
+</I>
+I'm not sure about all your questions, but I can give you a few tips to improve
+your spec file.
+
+1) The name, version, and release should be defined directly on the first 3
+lines. These entries define the %{name}, %{version}, and %{release} macros, so
+in lines 9/10/11 you are redefining them to themselves.
+
+2) Use macros whenever possible. This makes it easier to maintain the spec
+file, as the value will be defined in only one place.
+The build system will automatically use the correct name.
+As well, it makes it easier to use the spec file in another distro. The more
+distros do this, the easier it is to share, a big plus of open source/free
+software in general and Linux in particular.
+
+e.g.
+for man you should use %{_mandir} ... which is /usr/share/man/ in Mageia
+(your spec puts such files in /usr/local/share/man/..., incorrect for Mageia.)
+for executables either %{_bindir} ... for /usr/bin
+or if a system type of utility, %{_sbindir} ... for /usr/sbin/
+
+By the way, do you have a mentor ?
+If not, you should be in the apprentice table at
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_table">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_table</A>
+
+Let me know :)
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>On 22 July 2011 11:27, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 22 juillet 2011 &#224; 11:04 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 19 June 2011 15:00, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 18 juin 2011 &#224; 23:25 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 15 June 2011 22:32, Stew Benedict &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stewbintn at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; qa-bugs@ can't be be set as the assignee in bug reports, it should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; made possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, that requires to create a account for that. Dmorgan knows, I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; don't :/ ( and we should document that once the wiki will be installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The same for sec team, there should be a way to assign/put-in-CC.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; That would requires the creation of the secteam as something more formal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; than now, and for now, that's &quot;no&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; So you should better explain the need about assigning or put a group of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; people in CC when you can simply put one person for that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, I seem to have missed this email.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can see <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">security at groups.mageia.org</A> can be set as bug assignee in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bugzilla now, so the discussion is null at this point.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> About the &quot;better explanation&quot;, the benefits of having one generic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> email address set as assignee in security-related bug reports, just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one point, not having one point of failure, if the only person in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sec team becomes unavailable for a prolonged period of time for any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reason, someone will have to trudge through the bug reports assigned
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to him to change the assignee field, whereas if a generic email
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> address is used that won't be necessary.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the only problem is to reassign bugs, then we can write a script.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My main worries are that given that right now, there is 1 single person
+</I>&gt;<i> in the group, that change nothing. I would even add that it proves my
+</I>&gt;<i> point, using alias mean that people do not know who they assign the bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> to.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So while you think there is no point of failure, but there is, and you
+</I>&gt;<i> do not see nor know it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Right. Sorry for wasting your time with my waffling then.
+
+&gt;<i> Also, assigning thing to a group of people tend to make them think
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;someone else will do it&quot; :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Finally, if the problem is &quot;someone can leave and we have to reassign
+</I>&gt;<i> bug&quot;, there is nothing special regarding security bugs to that regard,
+</I>&gt;<i> and we have the need to reassign others bugs too, and yet, we do not use
+</I>&gt;<i> aliases. So why make a exception just for that ?
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+due to the outrageous size of texlive-texmf, building packages in
+local chroots becomes a bit of pain/burden on my HDD, also each of
+texlive and xmltex have I/O intensive postinstall scriptlets.
+
+I see the texlive-texmf issue is being discussed in another thread so
+I'll keep this one about gtk-doc; here're a couple of points:
+- Some packages have BR gtk-doc but it's redundant:
+ o They don't have --enable-gtk-doc passed to ./configure, which
+means that BR isn't used at all
+ o Most of those packages already bundle html gtk-doc's; is there any
+benefit rebuilding those docs when building the package? or should the
+gtk-doc BR get dropped in such cases (since no one complained about
+those html docs all those years)?
+
+- I am thinking of splitting gtk-doc itself, putting gtkdoc-mkpdf in a
+separate sub-package which will require dblatex:
+ o AFAICS dblatex is only used for creating PDF's from XML sources,
+so only useful for gtkdoc-mkpdf
+ o This will result in less HDD grinding due to texlive-texmf and
+xmltex being, unnecessarily, pulled in chroots (either local ones or
+on the BS). Note that for most of the packages I saw,
+--enable-gtk-doc-html is the default (assuming only --enable-gtk-doc
+was passed to configure).
+ o I don't see any packages with pdf gtk-doc documentation:
+ $ urpmf /usr/share/gtk-doc | grep pdf
+
+ gives nothing at all.
+
+So, theoretically, this split shouldn't break any packages (there're
+144 SRPMS that have BR gtk-doc and 5 -devel packages that require
+gtk-doc). And if any package breaks due to the split, the fix is
+simply adding BR gtk-doc-pdf. Of course we can make it more painful
+and require that those 149 packages get a test build before the split
+is OK'ed...
+
+WDYT?
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+<PRE>On Fri, 22 Jul 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
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+&gt;<i> ATM gtk-doc requires dblatex which requires texlive -&gt; texlive-texmf;
+</I>&gt;<i> due to the outrageous size of texlive-texmf, building packages in
+</I>&gt;<i> local chroots becomes a bit of pain/burden on my HDD, also each of
+</I>&gt;<i> texlive and xmltex have I/O intensive postinstall scriptlets.
+</I>
+The best solution for that may be to put the chroot in a tmpfs.
+
+&gt;<i> I see the texlive-texmf issue is being discussed in another thread so
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll keep this one about gtk-doc; here're a couple of points:
+</I>
+Too bad since this appears to be strongly related to the gtk-doc issue you
+mention. I mean, providing a minimal set of texlive packages may fix this
+gtk-doc problem.
+
+&gt;<i> - Some packages have BR gtk-doc but it's redundant:
+</I>&gt;<i> o They don't have --enable-gtk-doc passed to ./configure, which
+</I>&gt;<i> means that BR isn't used at all
+</I>&gt;<i> o Most of those packages already bundle html gtk-doc's; is there any
+</I>&gt;<i> benefit rebuilding those docs when building the package? or should the
+</I>&gt;<i> gtk-doc BR get dropped in such cases (since no one complained about
+</I>&gt;<i> those html docs all those years)?
+</I>
+In general I think it's best to generate everything from original sources
+[1]. It makes sure all build scripts/code/documentation is generated using
+the tools in the distro which may be newer and/or have patches compared to
+the tools used to generate the files shipped with the source code. It also
+ensures we can support such packages, because when someone reports a bug
+in a generated file we should never patch that file directly but its
+source.
+
+&gt;<i> - I am thinking of splitting gtk-doc itself, putting gtkdoc-mkpdf in a
+</I>&gt;<i> separate sub-package which will require dblatex:
+</I>&gt;<i> o AFAICS dblatex is only used for creating PDF's from XML sources,
+</I>&gt;<i> so only useful for gtkdoc-mkpdf
+</I>
+Interesting.
+
+&gt;<i> o This will result in less HDD grinding due to texlive-texmf and
+</I>&gt;<i> xmltex being, unnecessarily, pulled in chroots (either local ones or
+</I>&gt;<i> on the BS). Note that for most of the packages I saw,
+</I>&gt;<i> --enable-gtk-doc-html is the default (assuming only --enable-gtk-doc
+</I>&gt;<i> was passed to configure).
+</I>&gt;<i> o I don't see any packages with pdf gtk-doc documentation:
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmf /usr/share/gtk-doc | grep pdf
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gives nothing at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, theoretically, this split shouldn't break any packages (there're
+</I>&gt;<i> 144 SRPMS that have BR gtk-doc and 5 -devel packages that require
+</I>&gt;<i> gtk-doc). And if any package breaks due to the split, the fix is
+</I>&gt;<i> simply adding BR gtk-doc-pdf. Of course we can make it more painful
+</I>&gt;<i> and require that those 149 packages get a test build before the split
+</I>&gt;<i> is OK'ed...
+</I>
+Maybe we should first set as policy to provide HTML developer
+documentation and not PDFs when there is a choice. Note however that HTML
+docs generated by doxygen can take a lot of space.
+
+
+
+ Christiaan
+
+
+[1] that's why I'd like to ask you not to remove any autoreconf/autotools/etc.
+calls from %build (:
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 22 Jul 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ATM gtk-doc requires dblatex which requires texlive -&gt; texlive-texmf;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> due to the outrageous size of texlive-texmf, building packages in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> local chroots becomes a bit of pain/burden on my HDD, also each of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> texlive and xmltex have I/O intensive postinstall scriptlets.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The best solution for that may be to put the chroot in a tmpfs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I see the texlive-texmf issue is being discussed in another thread so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll keep this one about gtk-doc; here're a couple of points:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Too bad since this appears to be strongly related to the gtk-doc issue you
+</I>&gt;<i> mention. I mean, providing a minimal set of texlive packages may fix this
+</I>&gt;<i> gtk-doc problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Some packages have BR gtk-doc but it's redundant:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;o They don't have --enable-gtk-doc passed to ./configure, which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> means that BR isn't used at all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;o Most of those packages already bundle html gtk-doc's; is there any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> benefit rebuilding those docs when building the package? or should the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gtk-doc BR get dropped in such cases (since no one complained about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> those html docs all those years)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In general I think it's best to generate everything from original sources
+</I>&gt;<i> [1]. It makes sure all build scripts/code/documentation is generated using
+</I>&gt;<i> the tools in the distro which may be newer and/or have patches compared to
+</I>&gt;<i> the tools used to generate the files shipped with the source code. It also
+</I>&gt;<i> ensures we can support such packages, because when someone reports a bug in
+</I>&gt;<i> a generated file we should never patch that file directly but its source.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - I am thinking of splitting gtk-doc itself, putting gtkdoc-mkpdf in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> separate sub-package which will require dblatex:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;o AFAICS dblatex is only used for creating PDF's from XML sources,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so only useful for gtkdoc-mkpdf
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Interesting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;o This will result in less HDD grinding due to texlive-texmf and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> xmltex being, unnecessarily, pulled in chroots (either local ones or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on the BS). Note that for most of the packages I saw,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --enable-gtk-doc-html is the default (assuming only --enable-gtk-doc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> was passed to configure).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;o I don't see any packages with pdf gtk-doc documentation:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;$ urpmf /usr/share/gtk-doc | grep pdf
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;gives nothing at all.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, theoretically, this split shouldn't break any packages (there're
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 144 SRPMS that have BR gtk-doc and 5 -devel packages that require
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gtk-doc). And if any package breaks due to the split, the fix is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simply adding BR gtk-doc-pdf. Of course we can make it more painful
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and require that those 149 packages get a test build before the split
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is OK'ed...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we should first set as policy to provide HTML developer documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> and not PDFs when there is a choice.
+</I>
+That policy has been implicitly in effect for a very long time, I
+couldn't find a single gtk-doc pdf....
+
+&gt;<i> Note however that HTML docs generated
+</I>&gt;<i> by doxygen can take a lot of space.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes; but that's a different issue, texlive* takes a lot of time to
+install but builds pdf's fast; doxygen is vice versa, installs quickly
+but takes a long time to build the docs sometimes...
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;Christiaan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] that's why I'd like to ask you not to remove any
+</I>&gt;<i> autoreconf/autotools/etc. calls from %build (:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You're talking about gnome-control-center? I thought autoreconf was
+run by mistake, as the old comment said it must be run for patch19
+which hasn't applied for some time.
+
+But indeed, there should be a clear policy about that: either we
+execute autoreconf/autotool.. etc for all packages (make
+%configure2_5x run it or something), or we only run it when needed for
+e.g. a patch or a package that has an old/new libtool than our
+libtool....
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+--
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+</I>&gt;<i> - Version 1.9.11: add maintdb command
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;+ ahmad &lt;ahmad&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- Fix the URL tag
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+&gt;<i> On 12 July 2011 23:28, Mageia Team&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> boklm&lt;boklm&gt; 1.9.11-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 123440
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Version 1.9.11: add maintdb command
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + ahmad&lt;ahmad&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Fix the URL tag
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you backport it to mga1 please?
+</I>
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+It actually got pushed as an update to mga1, so it's available...
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+mesaglut-devel -- which is not needed anymore : openscenegraph is no
+more in mikala's list !
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+It seems that it would be interesting to try, first, to build each
+package without this BuildRequire (some specs have not their
+BuildRequires been refreshed for months...), well guessed.
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+I saw that Stormi is trying to build cultivation and I had a glance to
+the spec ... which contains always BuildRequire mesaglut-devel !
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+How could we catch attention of maintainers about their rpm concerned by
+freeglut instead of mesaglut : need to write a bug report for each of
+those rpms ? Try to find who is the maintainer of each rpm and send a
+mail to them ?
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+<PRE>Le samedi 23 juillet 2011 11:09:08, Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I saw that Stormi is trying to build cultivation and I had a glance to
+</I>&gt;<i> the spec ... which contains always BuildRequire mesaglut-devel !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How could we catch attention of maintainers about their rpm concerned by
+</I>&gt;<i> freeglut instead of mesaglut : need to write a bug report for each of
+</I>&gt;<i> those rpms ? Try to find who is the maintainer of each rpm and send a
+</I>&gt;<i> mail to them ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I am the maintainer of Cultivation ;-)
+What I feel we need a Wiki page about that freeglut thing :
+- why migrate?
+- what works
+- what to change when build fails
+- where to go if nothing makes it build
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+Then send a link to this page to each mesaglut-devel package.
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+<PRE>On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:44:03 -0400
+andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hello everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At the last packager's meeting I've been given the task of
+</I>&gt;<i> gathering ideas of how to measure our resources for supporting
+</I>&gt;<i> releases. Part of this is to see if we have (or will likely have)
+</I>&gt;<i> the resources for a LTS (long-term support) release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These resources will involve QA, testing, packaging updates, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So we're inviting input - there are probably factors overlooked,
+</I>&gt;<i> so don't hesitate with your suggestions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please post to this thread, so we have all the suggestions in one
+</I>&gt;<i> place.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards :)
+</I>
+Before deciding whether we can support a LTS release, we need to
+look at what users will expect as 'support' for any non-LTS release.
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+This is the support that I, as a mere user, would expect:
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+(a) security &amp; bugfix updates
+(b) supported backports of popular applications (Firefox,
+LibreOffice, Thunderbird, Gimp etc.)
+(c) user support - experienced Mageia users available on mailing
+lists/forums/IRC giving help and advice to users who have problems.
+
+And, as many users will not be willing and/or able to upgrade to
+latest stable Mageia immediately when it is released, I would
+expect all of that support to continue until next-but-one release -
+so, support for Mageia 1 until the release of Mageia 3, support for
+Mageia 2 until release of Mageia 4 etc.
+
+With our 9-month release cycle, that means that all releases would
+be supported for 18 months. Is there any need for LTS on top of
+that? People running servers might think that 18 months is not long
+enough, but Mageia is not primarily aimed as a server distro and 18
+months should be plenty for desktop users.
+
+Bear in mind that many of our brave volunteers will be supporting 3
+versions of Mageia - current and immediate previous stable, plus
+cauldron - so adding a 4th LTS version might put too much strain on
+their hardware or on their family life!
+
+--
+Margot
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+**Otford Ducks Computers**
+We teach, you learn...
+...and, if you don't do your homework, we set the cat on you!
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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+<PRE>On Saturday 23 July 2011 11:09:08 Philippe DIDIER wrote:
+&gt;<i> I saw Funda could rebuild openscenegraph without -- BuildRequire :
+</I>&gt;<i> mesaglut-devel -- which is not needed anymore : openscenegraph is no
+</I>&gt;<i> more in mikala's list !
+</I>Well i tried yesterday with celestia (&amp; tried to upgraded on the same movement
+to 1.6.1) without success but the problem here is gtk (i'm able to build it
+using only the glut interface)
+
+[...]
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+&gt;<i> How could we catch attention of maintainers about their rpm concerned by
+</I>&gt;<i> freeglut instead of mesaglut : need to write a bug report for each of
+</I>&gt;<i> those rpms ? Try to find who is the maintainer of each rpm and send a
+</I>&gt;<i> mail to them ?
+</I>Open a bug report &amp; add in cc people who works on it (aka import/modify the
+spec).
+
+Regards,
+
+--
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+<PRE>Hi All,
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+I've registered int the apprentice table.
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+I've also modified the spec file according to all your comments, and
+with the help of the fedora srpm. Find it in attachment. And feel free
+to comment.
+
+After I am not sure what is the process for this spec file.
+How / where should be explain the way to create the Zoneminder table
+inside the package (cf:
+<A HREF="http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Documentation#Installation_from_Source">http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Documentation#Installation_from_Source</A>
+)?
+
+Thanks all for your help!
+
+Vincent
+
+
+
+On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:39 AM, andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Vincent a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi All,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am still trying to pack ZoneMinder for Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now rpms are generated and rpmlint is not complaining, but I am still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure, it's not OK :) , that's why I need help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Attached is the spec file, if somebody could have a look.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here are my questions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - where should go the installed files? (Zoneminder provides perl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> modules, the site itself, CGI services , doc and conf).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - some files have no path's variable:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/share/man/lib/perl5/5.14.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/perllocal.pod.xz
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/local/share/man/man3/ZoneMinder.3pm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any idea, what it should be?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - what should be the permissions for the site under the apache server?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - should the %install section creates the database table/permissions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for ZoneMinder? If so, is there any example how to achieve this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - should the %install section creates the service launcher scripts? If
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so, is there any example how to achieve this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks in advance for you help!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Vincent
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure about all your questions, but I can give you a few tips to
+</I>&gt;<i> improve your spec file.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) The name, version, and release should be defined directly on the first 3
+</I>&gt;<i> lines. &#160;These entries define the %{name}, %{version}, and %{release} macros,
+</I>&gt;<i> so in lines 9/10/11 you are redefining them to themselves.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) Use macros whenever possible. &#160;This makes it easier to maintain the spec
+</I>&gt;<i> file, as the value will be defined in only one place.
+</I>&gt;<i> The build system will automatically use the correct name.
+</I>&gt;<i> As well, it makes it easier to use the spec file in another distro. &#160;The
+</I>&gt;<i> more distros do this, the easier it is to share, a big plus of open
+</I>&gt;<i> source/free software in general and Linux in particular.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> for man you should use %{_mandir} ... which is /usr/share/man/ in Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> (your spec puts such files in /usr/local/share/man/..., incorrect for
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.)
+</I>&gt;<i> for executables either %{_bindir} ... for /usr/bin
+</I>&gt;<i> or if a system type of utility, &#160;%{_sbindir} ... for /usr/sbin/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By the way, do you have a mentor ?
+</I>&gt;<i> If not, you should be in the apprentice table at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_table">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_table</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let me know :)
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr&#233;
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+<PRE> &gt;- why migrate?
+
+<A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110118/002316.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110118/002316.html</A>
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+<A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110420/004104.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110420/004104.html</A>
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+<A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-June/005920.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-June/005920.html</A>
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+ &gt;- what works
+ &gt;- what to change when build fails
+ &gt;- where to go if nothing makes it build
+
+we can substitute freeglut-devel to mesaglut-devel as buildrequire : it
+provides headers strictly compatible besides its enhanced ones...
+If something can be built with mesaglut-devel it can be built with
+freeglut-devel ! build may not fail because of that
+
+we can substitute freeglut to mesaglut as require
+freeglut is strictly compatible with mesaglut library...
+
+But freeglut and mesaglut can't be installed side by side...
+
+For dependancies problems we need to build with freeglut every rpm
+needing mesaglut before obsoleting mesaglut with freeglut
+That's the reason why I proposed to build all of them in a testing repo
+before switching the mesa spec and the freeglut spec ...
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+Regards
+Philippe
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+&gt;<i> Name : boinc-client Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 6.10.58 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga2 Build Date: Sat Jul 23 15:29:22
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Sciences/Other Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 13431650 License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://boinc.berkeley.edu/">http://boinc.berkeley.edu/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : The BOINC client core
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> The Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC) is an open-
+</I>&gt;<i> source software platform which supports distributed computing, primarily in
+</I>&gt;<i> the form of &quot;volunteer&quot; computing and &quot;desktop Grid&quot; computing. It is well
+</I>&gt;<i> suited for problems which are often described as &quot;trivially parallel&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> BOINC is the underlying software used by projects such as <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">SETI at home</A>,
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">Einstein at Home</A>, ClimatePrediciton.net, the World Community Grid, and many
+</I>&gt;<i> other distributed computing projects.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This package installs the BOINC client software, which will allow your
+</I>&gt;<i> computer to participate in one or more BOINC projects, using your spare
+</I>&gt;<i> computer time to search for cures for diseases, model protein folding,
+</I>&gt;<i> study global warming, discover sources of gravitational waves, and many
+</I>&gt;<i> other types of scientific and mathematical research.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ahmad &lt;ahmad&gt; 6.10.58-2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 128068
+</I>&gt;<i> - Rebuild against wxgtk2.8 with enabled catch_segvs
+</I>&gt;<i> - Build with wxgtku-devel for unicode support
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Are those changes worth porting to Mageia 1 too ? There's an update being
+prepared on the 1/updates branch.
+
+See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1690">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1690</A>
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+Samuel Verschelde
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+&gt;<i> we can substitute freeglut-devel to mesaglut-devel as buildrequire : it
+</I>&gt;<i> provides headers strictly compatible besides its enhanced ones...
+</I>&gt;<i> If something can be built with mesaglut-devel it can be built with
+</I>&gt;<i> freeglut-devel ! build may not fail because of that
+</I>Well it's more glut-devel instead of freeglut-devel :)
+
+cf
+urpmq --provides lib64freeglut-devel
+glut-devel[== 3.7]
+devel(libglut(64bit))
+lib64freeglut-devel[== 2.6.0-4.mga1]
+lib64freeglut-devel(x86-64)[== 2.6.0-4.mga1]
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+<PRE>Le samedi 23 juillet 2011 19:35:14, Philippe DIDIER a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> we can substitute freeglut-devel to mesaglut-devel as buildrequire : it
+</I>&gt;<i> provides headers strictly compatible besides its enhanced ones...
+</I>&gt;<i> If something can be built with mesaglut-devel it can be built with
+</I>&gt;<i> freeglut-devel ! build may not fail because of that
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> For dependancies problems we need to build with freeglut every rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> needing mesaglut before obsoleting mesaglut with freeglut
+</I>&gt;<i> That's the reason why I proposed to build all of them in a testing repo
+</I>&gt;<i> before switching the mesa spec and the freeglut spec ...
+</I>
+I don't understand what dependencies you mean?
+Can't freeglut say it provides mesaglut-devel, then rebuild all concerned
+rpms?
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+Seems this just should be decided on a meeting, then go on.
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
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+<PRE>Margot a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:44:03 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At the last packager's meeting I've been given the task of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gathering ideas of how to measure our resources for supporting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> releases. Part of this is to see if we have (or will likely have)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the resources for a LTS (long-term support) release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> These resources will involve QA, testing, packaging updates, etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So we're inviting input - there are probably factors overlooked,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so don't hesitate with your suggestions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please post to this thread, so we have all the suggestions in one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> place.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Before deciding whether we can support a LTS release, we need to
+</I>&gt;<i> look at what users will expect as 'support' for any non-LTS release.
+</I>
+Note that this is off topic, as this thread is about how to measure our
+resources to support releases.
+
+&gt;<i> This is the support that I, as a mere user, would expect:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (a) security&amp; bugfix updates
+</I>&gt;<i> (b) supported backports of popular applications (Firefox,
+</I>&gt;<i> LibreOffice, Thunderbird, Gimp etc.)
+</I>&gt;<i> (c) user support - experienced Mageia users available on mailing
+</I>&gt;<i> lists/forums/IRC giving help and advice to users who have problems.
+</I>
+Ok. (Although I'm not sure about Gimp.)
+
+&gt;<i> And, as many users will not be willing and/or able to upgrade to
+</I>&gt;<i> latest stable Mageia immediately when it is released, I would
+</I>&gt;<i> expect all of that support to continue until next-but-one release -
+</I>&gt;<i> so, support for Mageia 1 until the release of Mageia 3, support for
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 2 until release of Mageia 4 etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With our 9-month release cycle, that means that all releases would
+</I>&gt;<i> be supported for 18 months.
+</I>
+If I'm not mistaken, that what we have already decided.
+
+&gt;<i> Is there any need for LTS on top of
+</I>&gt;<i> that? People running servers might think that 18 months is not long
+</I>&gt;<i> enough, but Mageia is not primarily aimed as a server distro and 18
+</I>&gt;<i> months should be plenty for desktop users.
+</I>
+Why would you think that LTS would only be of interest for server use ?
+My experience would indicate the contrary, in most business environments.
+As well as many individual users.
+
+&gt;<i> Bear in mind that many of our brave volunteers will be supporting 3
+</I>&gt;<i> versions of Mageia - current and immediate previous stable, plus
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron - so adding a 4th LTS version might put too much strain on
+</I>&gt;<i> their hardware or on their family life!
+</I>
+Strictly speaking, cauldron is not supported, particularly in terms of your
+definition. (i.e. backports, end user support.)
+It is our development branch, where we expect things to be broken on a regular
+basis, and ordinary end-users are advised to not use.
+However, indeed LTS would be an additional (3rd) version to support.
+
+Note again that this thread is about how to measure our resources to support
+releases.
+
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+<PRE>Vincent a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi All,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've registered int the apprentice table.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've also modified the spec file according to all your comments, and
+</I>&gt;<i> with the help of the fedora srpm. Find it in attachment. And feel free
+</I>&gt;<i> to comment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After I am not sure what is the process for this spec file.
+</I>&gt;<i> How / where should be explain the way to create the Zoneminder table
+</I>&gt;<i> inside the package (cf:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Documentation#Installation_from_Source">http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Documentation#Installation_from_Source</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> )?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks all for your help!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Vincent
+</I>
+Looks a lot cleaner :)
+One little suggestion.
+Since you have more than 200 files going to
+
+ %{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/
+
+you could define a single variable for this.
+But that is totally optional.
+
+You'll need a mentor to submit, who'll probably have more suggestions.
+I'll try to find you one :)
+
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+<PRE>On 23 July 2011 20:18, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 23 juillet 2011 15:36:16, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: boinc-client &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 6.10.58 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 2.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Sat Jul 23 15:29:22
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Sciences/Other &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 13431650 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://boinc.berkeley.edu/">http://boinc.berkeley.edu/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : The BOINC client core
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC) is an open-
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> source software platform which supports distributed computing, primarily in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the form of &quot;volunteer&quot; computing and &quot;desktop Grid&quot; computing. &#160;It is well
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suited for problems which are often described as &quot;trivially parallel&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BOINC is the underlying software used by projects such as <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">SETI at home</A>,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">Einstein at Home</A>, ClimatePrediciton.net, the World Community Grid, and many
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other distributed computing projects.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This package installs the BOINC client software, which will allow your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> computer to participate in one or more BOINC projects, using your spare
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> computer time to search for cures for diseases, model protein folding,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> study global warming, discover sources of gravitational waves, and many
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other types of scientific and mathematical research.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ahmad &lt;ahmad&gt; 6.10.58-2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 128068
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Rebuild against wxgtk2.8 with enabled catch_segvs
+</I>
+This one is only pertinent in Cauldron, wxgtk2.8 wasn't changed in
+mga1 i.e. not built with --enabled-catch_segvs; that change in
+wxgtk2.8 shouldn't be in mga1, IMO, as it changes the symbols in the
+shared lib.... etc.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> - Build with wxgtku-devel for unicode support
+</I>
+This one, yes; I think building with wxgtku-devel for unicode support
+is better. However looking at the SVN log, dams changed
+wxgtku2.8-devel to wxGTK-devel, he may have a reason for the change.
+Adding him to CC.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are those changes worth porting to Mageia 1 too ? There's an update being
+</I>&gt;<i> prepared on the 1/updates branch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1690">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1690</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>Balcaen John a &#233;crit
+
+ &gt; Well it's more glut-devel instead of freeglut-devel :)
+
+ &gt; cf
+ &gt; urpmq --provides &gt;lib64freeglut-devel
+ &gt; glut-devel[== 3.7]
+ &gt; devel(libglut(64bit))
+ &gt; lib64freeglut-devel[== 2.6.0-4.mga1]
+ &gt; lib64freeglut-devel(x86-64)[== 2.6.0-4.mga1]
+
+You may add to the spec
+&quot;Provides freeglut-devel[==3.7] &quot;
+
+because it provides glut headers and freeglut headers
+(in the rpm
+- glut.h is a link to freeglut_std.h that are strictly standard glut headers
+- freeglut.h is a link to freeglut_std.h and freeglut_ext.h ie extended
+headers which bring more functionalities )
+
+(some programs could never be imported in Mandriva because they needed
+freeglut and not simply glut to be built !.... )
+
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+Regards
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+ <B>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</B>
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+John seem not exists in Mageia maintdb...
+Can someone take a look? I want to take his maintainership, as I upgrade it to jumbo 4.
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+<PRE>Am 18.07.2011 20:43, schrieb Oliver Burger:
+&gt;<i> Sorry,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't look closely enough.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The handbrake make file downloads several archives including the
+</I>&gt;<i> license critical faac, while compiling. So this package should be
+</I>&gt;<i> removed from Cauldron. Florian Hunold (aka doktor5000) told me, he's
+</I>&gt;<i> on it together with Ansi to make it build cleanly.
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+</I>&gt;<i> So please remove the existing handbrake from Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ping? Somebody please remove it from mirrors.
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+ <B>D.Morgan</B>
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> John seem not exists in Mageia maintdb...
+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone take a look? I want to take his maintainership, as I upgrade it to jumbo 4.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+it seems you need to learn how to use our tools :)
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+mgarepo maintdb get john
+kharec
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
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+scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> John seem not exists in Mageia maintdb...
+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone take a look? I want to take his maintainership, as I upgrade it
+</I>&gt;<i> to jumbo 4.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>So please sandro take care about my padawan -matteo/pasmatt- changes.
+
+Cheers,
+--
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+ <B>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</B>
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+-----Original Message-----
+From: Angelo Naselli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt;
+Sender: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 15:50:22
+To: Mageia development mailing-list&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+In data domenica 24 luglio 2011 15:11:06, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A> ha
+scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> John seem not exists in Mageia maintdb...
+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone take a look? I want to take his maintainership, as I upgrade it
+</I>&gt;<i> to jumbo 4.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>So please sandro take care about my padawan -matteo/pasmatt- changes.
+
+Cheers,
+--
+ Angelo
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+<PRE>On Thursday, July 21, 2011 01:39:45 am Ahmad Samir wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 21 July 2011 08:51, Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011/7/21 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 21 July 2011 05:50, Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 08:21:40 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 01:55:28 am Anne nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Usual mail on missing packages. Please have a look on that list to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; decrease it: <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; This is important to clean this list. Please report on this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; anything you do for it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I have several (The horde related) and it will take some time to get
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; all done. there are about 30 packages I need to redo and the names
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; all cahnge to a php-pear-Horde_Cxxxx style
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; then there is the perlapi-5.12.2 which comes from swish-e that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; doesn't build on a 32 bit system. I am working with upstream to get
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; it fixed, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; they take their time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; But there is one package I have a problem I cannot explain and I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; would like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; some help:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; php-pear-channel-symfony
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I have build this package twice with, well at least the system says
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; so (
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and I can install it locally), but it never makes it over to the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I checked the spelling, compared it with other channel packages,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; compared
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; it to SUSE and all looks good.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; If someone find a little spare time... it would be appreciated
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; I found this:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; php-pear-channel-symfony found in incorrect media core.x86_64 (allowed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; core.i586) error
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Why did it go to core.x86_64 it's a noarch package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; How do I move (or remove) this?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; noarch packages are copied to both i586 and x86_64 repos, so the error
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; on <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A> doesn't make sense to me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Another issue it php-pear-channel-symfony provides and obsoletes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; _itself_, this is wrong, IIUC. (I've submitted a new package fixing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; this issue).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; IIRC, It's a known problem that if you obsolete noarch package it's only
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; removed from i586 repos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That probably explains the issue; the new package is no available on both
+</I>&gt;<i> archs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+So how should noarch packages be replaced? I have a lot of horde-xxxx packages
+and they all need to be replaced with php-pear-Horde_Xxxxx packages.
+Should I just use the &lt;Obsoletes:&gt; command and ask for the x64 packages to be
+removed manually?
+
+--
+Thomas
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+<PRE>On 25 July 2011 07:06, Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thursday, July 21, 2011 01:39:45 am Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 21 July 2011 08:51, Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 2011/7/21 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 21 July 2011 05:50, Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 08:21:40 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 01:55:28 am Anne nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Usual mail on missing packages. Please have a look on that list to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; decrease it: <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; This is important to clean this list. Please report on this thread
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; anything you do for it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I have several (The horde related) and it will take some time to get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; all done. there are about 30 packages I need to redo and the names
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; all cahnge to a php-pear-Horde_Cxxxx style
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; then there is the perlapi-5.12.2 which comes from swish-e that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; doesn't build on a 32 bit system. I am working with upstream to get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; it fixed, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; they take their time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; But there is one package I have a problem I cannot explain and I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; would like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; some help:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; php-pear-channel-symfony
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I have build this package twice with, well at least the system says
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; so (
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and I can install it locally), but it never makes it over to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; mirrors.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I checked the spelling, compared it with other channel packages,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; compared
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; it to SUSE and all looks good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; If someone find a little spare time... it would be appreciated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; I found this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; php-pear-channel-symfony found in incorrect media core.x86_64 (allowed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; core.i586) &#160; &#160; &#160;error
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Why did it go to core.x86_64 it's a noarch package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; How do I move (or remove) this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; noarch packages are copied to both i586 and x86_64 repos, so the error
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; on <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A> doesn't make sense to me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Another issue it php-pear-channel-symfony provides and obsoletes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; _itself_, this is wrong, IIUC. (I've submitted a new package fixing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; this issue).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; IIRC, It's a known problem that if you obsolete noarch package it's only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; removed from i586 repos.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That probably explains the issue; the new package is no available on both
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> archs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So how should noarch packages be replaced? I have a lot of horde-xxxx packages
+</I>&gt;<i> and they all need to be replaced with php-pear-Horde_Xxxxx packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> Should I just use the &lt;Obsoletes:&gt; command and ask for the x64 packages to be
+</I>&gt;<i> removed manually?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Probably yes. Note that the problem Jani talked about is pertinent to
+x86_64 mirrors; on users' installations the Obsoletes should work as
+expected, IIUC.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>Le 21/07/2011 23:46, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 21 juillet 2011 &#224; 16:14 -0400, Vincent a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi All,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am still trying to pack ZoneMinder for Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now rpms are generated and rpmlint is not complaining, but I am still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure, it's not OK :) , that's why I need help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Attached is the spec file, if somebody could have a look.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here are my questions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - where should go the installed files? (Zoneminder provides perl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> modules, the site itself, CGI services , doc and conf).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> conf -&gt; /etc/ . I would try to see how does others distribution, to have
+</I>&gt;<i> at least a similar path to ease the work of people changing distribution
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> site -&gt; /var/www/zoneminder. Outside of the webroot, so people can
+</I>&gt;<i> modify it with apache configuration
+</I>Using /var for application code is a remnant of old practices, and a
+mistake morevoer, as /var is supposed to be for variable files only.
+You'd better use /usr/share/zoneminder (or a subdirectory) instead.
+
+&gt;<i> apache configuration -&gt; /etc/httpd/conf.d/webapps.d/ , iirc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> perl module -&gt; like the other ( maybe jq can tell us the details )
+</I>The shared perl tree is for perl libraries. Private perl modules are
+better installed into a private tree, such as /usr/share/zoneminder/lib
+
+&gt;<i> cgi -&gt; I think there is something in /usr/lib/cgi-bin, not sure. I guess
+</I>&gt;<i> checking other cgi would help.
+</I>cgi can be installed anywhere, provided they are marked as executables
+in apache configuration.
+
+It's even better to keep cgi under the same web root directory, to make
+web server ACLs easier.
+
+You can have a look at bugzilla spec file for an exemple of a large perl
+CGI web application.
+--
+BOFH excuse #3:
+
+electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (resent from mageia-sysadm, it was mean for -dev )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This morning, I deployed a youri hook to unpack rpmlint configuration on
+</I>&gt;<i> valstar when rpmlint-mageia-policy is uploaded, thus allowing to sync
+</I>&gt;<i> the list of exceptions from the package ( which is the canonical one )
+</I>&gt;<i> with the build system. So while this may seems uninteresting for the
+</I>&gt;<i> vast majority of packagers and cauldron testers ( and it is ), this has
+</I>&gt;<i> some practical effects.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The last attempt ( for unexpanded-macro ) showed some false positives,
+</I>&gt;<i> and we were not able to properly keep a exception list. Now, with this,
+</I>&gt;<i> we can.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So that mean we can reenable the check 'unexpanded-macro' and others.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While I am quite sure enabling it now will trigger a much faster
+</I>&gt;<i> response rate ( because people will not have the choice ), I will enable
+</I>&gt;<i> them in a few days, to let the time to packagers to send exceptions to
+</I>&gt;<i> be added to the packages.
+</I>
+A few days have pasted, and so, the check was reenabled as per revision
+1903.
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+
+with regards to backports, users are complaining (they always do) that
+backports are taking too long.
+
+on the one hand almost everyone seems to agree that backports should be
+&quot;supported&quot; in some way or another... however, noone seems to want to
+actuallty put in the time to finalize that. (or at least that's how I see it)
+
+Since afair there is no real consensus, i suggest one of the following
+options, or possibly make this a vote, or have packaging team leaders (or
+board) decide this:
+
+A. backports are maintainers responsibility
+
+Every backport is tested or untested by maintainers discretion, (s)he decides
+how much testing it needs. We could still make a policy that there should be
+some tests.
+
+B. well established support like updates
+
+Similar QA like updates.
+
+
+then there is the matter of submission:
+
+A. We submit all backports from cauldron
+
+B. like updates, there's a separate section for backports
+
+C. backport submission is only allowed from the separate section, not from
+cauldron, if you want to backports from cauldron, you need to make the
+necessary steps yourself.
+
+
+personally, i favor B &amp; C; such as i think most of the people wanted; but if
+wanted, i can settle for A &amp; B.
+
+If someone from -sysadmin can find the time to make the SVN repos for backports
+(and testing), that would be awesome, so we can actually do some testing for
+it and get this show on the road.
+
+
+Maarten (aka AL13N)
+
+PS: i specifically left out updates to backports, as i personally feel that
+it's a backport, it just gets a newer release or version.
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> with regards to backports, users are complaining (they always do) that
+</I>&gt;<i> backports are taking too long.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> on the one hand almost everyone seems to agree that backports should be
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;supported&quot; in some way or another... however, noone seems to want to
+</I>&gt;<i> actuallty put in the time to finalize that. (or at least that's how I see
+</I>&gt;<i> it)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since afair there is no real consensus, i suggest one of the following
+</I>&gt;<i> options, or possibly make this a vote, or have packaging team leaders (or
+</I>&gt;<i> board) decide this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A. backports are maintainers responsibility
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Every backport is tested or untested by maintainers discretion, (s)he
+</I>&gt;<i> decides how much testing it needs. We could still make a policy that there
+</I>&gt;<i> should be some tests.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> B. well established support like updates
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Similar QA like updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> then there is the matter of submission:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A. We submit all backports from cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> B. like updates, there's a separate section for backports
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> C. backport submission is only allowed from the separate section, not from
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron, if you want to backports from cauldron, you need to make the
+</I>&gt;<i> necessary steps yourself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> personally, i favor B &amp; C; such as i think most of the people wanted; but
+</I>&gt;<i> if wanted, i can settle for A &amp; B.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If someone from -sysadmin can find the time to make the SVN repos for
+</I>&gt;<i> backports (and testing), that would be awesome, so we can actually do some
+</I>&gt;<i> testing for it and get this show on the road.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maarten (aka AL13N)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PS: i specifically left out updates to backports, as i personally feel that
+</I>&gt;<i> it's a backport, it just gets a newer release or version.
+</I>
+1B and 2C for me, but I'm summarizing a more detailed proposal from the
+previous discussion + discussion with misc on IRC, which I hope we will adopt.
+
+Samuel
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+&gt;<i> wally&lt;wally&gt; 3.1.4-3.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 129336
+</I>&gt;<i> - change conflict to obsoletes and provides to ensure smooth upgrade for
+</I>&gt;<i> current Cauldron users and to get rid of an old lib which also provides
+</I>&gt;<i> libgcr-3.so.0
+</I>cauldron update issues are supposed to be transient, and people running
+cauldron are supposed to be able to handle them manually.
+--
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+<PRE>Op maandag 25 juli 2011 22:18:59 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 25 juillet 2011 21:47:24, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with regards to backports, users are complaining (they always do) that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backports are taking too long.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on the one hand almost everyone seems to agree that backports should be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;supported&quot; in some way or another... however, noone seems to want to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; actuallty put in the time to finalize that. (or at least that's how I see
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Since afair there is no real consensus, i suggest one of the following
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; options, or possibly make this a vote, or have packaging team leaders (or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; board) decide this:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A. backports are maintainers responsibility
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Every backport is tested or untested by maintainers discretion, (s)he
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; decides how much testing it needs. We could still make a policy that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; there should be some tests.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; B. well established support like updates
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Similar QA like updates.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; then there is the matter of submission:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A. We submit all backports from cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; B. like updates, there's a separate section for backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; C. backport submission is only allowed from the separate section, not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from cauldron, if you want to backports from cauldron, you need to make
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the necessary steps yourself.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; personally, i favor B &amp; C; such as i think most of the people wanted; but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if wanted, i can settle for A &amp; B.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If someone from -sysadmin can find the time to make the SVN repos for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backports (and testing), that would be awesome, so we can actually do
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; some testing for it and get this show on the road.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maarten (aka AL13N)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; PS: i specifically left out updates to backports, as i personally feel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that it's a backport, it just gets a newer release or version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1B and 2C for me, but I'm summarizing a more detailed proposal from the
+</I>&gt;<i> previous discussion + discussion with misc on IRC, which I hope we will
+</I>&gt;<i> adopt.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+Excellent, thanks
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>I have finally taken the time to re-read all the backports discussion and tried
+to summarize it. However, as there were various positions expressed during the
+discussion and I didn't want to repeat them all (just read the discussion for
+that), I chose to build a coherent proposal out of this, taking the various
+difficulties at hand into account. I hope it is good, otherwise you'll probably
+tell me it isn't.
+
+All in all, I hope we can come to an agreement as soon as possible, iron out
+the angles, and start providing backports (I'd like to play teeworlds 0.6 ;)).
+
+*** What's backportable ***
+- leaf packages
+- leaf group of packages (a group of packages no external package depends on).
+It means that you must carefully check dependencies before backporting, and
+are allowed to backport a lot of packages provided you're ready to support
+them all and have them all properly tested. This way the policy is self-
+adapting to the available ressources. Little ressources, no complicated
+backport. Lots of ressources, possibility to backport more complex stuff (such
+as KDE for example). For now, we are in the &quot;little ressources&quot; side of
+things, and will maybe remain there... Future will tell.
+- packages not present in the distribution (provided it doesn't
+obsolete or provide stuff that would impact the distribution, like
+backporting a new jvm with a obsolete on the current one).
+- a list of never backportable packages will be created to avoid big breakages
+(rpm, glibc, python, perl, xorg, ...)
+
+*** Support ***
+&quot;better not backport than provide unsupported backports&quot;
+- bug fixes and security fixes for already backported packages, with the first
+way to fix being updating to a newer version, and close work with upstream in
+case the latest version doesn't solve the problems. If a fix is available in a
+development release but in no stable release, try to get the patch and apply
+it.
+- security team helps finding out about security issues in current backported
+packages (an automated tool would help greatly for that, as proposed by misc)
+- the packagers who backported the package are responsible for its support
+
+*** Who backports ? ***
+- no obligation to provide backports for the maintainer of a package (whereas
+a maintainer should provide updates to the stable releases for packages he/she
+maintains)
+- another packager can step in and provide backports and then maintain them
+fully : provide newer versions, fix bugs and security issues... He must keep
+the maintainer informed.
+- the maintainer can refuse that some packages are backported. If hard
+conflicts arise (eg. the maintainer vs all other packagers), we can refer to
+the council.
+
+*** Backport cherry-picking ***
+- backports can be cherry-picked ( ie, enable backports, install, disable
+backports ). It means too that there must be strict requires between
+backported packages, in order to make sure they can be cherrypicked.
+- (for mageia 2) as this means that generally backports media will not be
+activated, improve the tools so that cherry-picked packages are updated when
+necessary :
+ * Make mgaapplet or a similar applet propose newer backports for packages
+that were installed from backports media ( see item 41 in
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</A> )
+ * Give an easy way to update backports that need updating in CLI ( can be
+part of item 40 in
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</A> )
+
+*** Upgrade path ***
+ - we need to ensure that upgrades never fail :
+ * cauldron must always have a higher version/release than in stable
+releases
+ * mageia n must always have a higher version than mageia n-1
+ - there's a problem : if you backport from cauldron to mageia 1 and mageia 2,
+upgrade from mageia 1 to mageia 2 will fail because during upgrade backports
+are not available. Here is my proposal : until we work out a solution (and
+we'll try to bring one before mageia 2 if possible), or decide that we
+consider ability to backport more important than upgrade (not sure here though
+:<i>)), backports are allowed only to the latest Mageia release.
+</I>
+*** SVN side of things ***
+- use backports branches similar to the updates branches
+- no direct submit from cauldron, must update in the backports branch first
+- one of us will probably get tired from the extra work and write a mgarepo
+command to automate copy to the backport branch from cauldron, so in the end
+it will not be more difficult while giving us more control over the backports
+
+*** Backport submit and testing ***
+- to backports_testing first, no direct submit to backports from cauldron
+branch
+- no delay from cauldron submit to backports_testing submit, backports_testing
+is here to allow testing
+- (not sure about this part, we could also just trust packagers here) minimum
+one week before move from backports_testing to backports
+- have them tested by the people who requested them
+- (if QA team agrees) have them tested by QA team : create bug assigned to qa-
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bugs at ml.mageia.org</A> with an appropriate &quot;backport&quot; keyword in the report, or if
+QA Team doesn't want to mix updates with backports in the same mailing list,
+to a new <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">qa-backports-bugs at ml.mageia.org</A> list for QA Team members specifically
+willing to test backports). We'll make sure there are enough testers in QA by
+(using madb, communicating though forums...). It's easier to find new testers
+than new packagers, so I'm confident about it provided we put enough energy
+into this, which some members of QA team (including me) can work at. Important
+notice: QA team gives priority to updates, so if we don't find enough manpower,
+we'll skip the QA team backport testing. What I propose here is start with the
+QA Team, and see how well it goes. And if the part of the QA Team that tests
+backports must be just me, then let's start like this and I'll rapidly find the
+motivation to find volunteers :)
+
+*** Move from backports_testing to backports ***
+- once the backport has been validated, move it from backports_testing to
+backports
+- who can move packages from backports_testing to backports ? Let's trust
+packagers : any packager with submit rights can do it. If too much problems
+arise, we will give those rights only to experienced members of the QA team
+(for example).
+
+*** Old backports ***
+Remove old backports when newer ones are submitted
+- otherwise we let people use old bugged or plagged with security issues
+packages, when they don't necessarily know that there are problems with them
+- simpler choice : users have to choose between the version in updates and the
+one in backports, not more
+- less space on mirrors (fear wesnoth and vegastrike multiple backports !)
+
+Thank you for reading.
+
+ Best regards,
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+<PRE>Le lundi 25 juillet 2011 &#224; 21:47 +0200, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> with regards to backports, users are complaining (they always do) that
+</I>&gt;<i> backports are taking too long.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> on the one hand almost everyone seems to agree that backports should be
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;supported&quot; in some way or another... however, noone seems to want to
+</I>&gt;<i> actuallty put in the time to finalize that. (or at least that's how I see it)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since afair there is no real consensus, i suggest one of the following
+</I>&gt;<i> options, or possibly make this a vote, or have packaging team leaders (or
+</I>&gt;<i> board) decide this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A. backports are maintainers responsibility
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Every backport is tested or untested by maintainers discretion, (s)he decides
+</I>&gt;<i> how much testing it needs. We could still make a policy that there should be
+</I>&gt;<i> some tests.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> B. well established support like updates
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Similar QA like updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> then there is the matter of submission:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A. We submit all backports from cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> B. like updates, there's a separate section for backports
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> C. backport submission is only allowed from the separate section, not from
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron, if you want to backports from cauldron, you need to make the
+</I>&gt;<i> necessary steps yourself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> personally, i favor B &amp; C; such as i think most of the people wanted; but if
+</I>&gt;<i> wanted, i can settle for A &amp; B.
+</I>
+If people did read what others said, they would have seen the obvious
+problem :
+Most people using backports, if not all, want to update just partially
+their system ( ie, cherry picking ). See for example the mail of wobo
+<A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg05794.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg05794.html</A>
+
+We also do it on our infrastructure, and I know others admins that do it
+too. See also others mails about the topic.
+
+So you are completely missing the real problems.
+
+Yet, the solution is simple :
+just say that backports are unsupported beyond &quot;we offer them on the
+mirrors&quot;, since nobody is willing to :
+
+1) properly define supported ( yet everybody agree that it should be ).
+To me supported mean :
+- do not break important stuff of the distribution
+- is supported in term of bugfixes by the distribution, in a timely
+fashion
+- supported by packagers
+
+2) take the required measure to make that happen
+and by &quot;taking the measure&quot;, I mean &quot;follow the limitations that would
+enable proper support by my definition&quot;, which include among others :
+- not break upgrade from the distro to a new version ( I already
+explained that in the previous thread )
+- not let users with outdated and vulnerable softwares without expecting
+them to spend time finely tuning their system, and without putting
+restriction on what they run ( such as forcing to run a specific applet
+instead of having a smooth and integrated system like update )
+
+Current system of Mandriva, that is currently used, is geared toward
+technical users only, and even them are left with a system in a
+unsupported state ( ie, no update, no upgrade, and no assurance of
+backport being properly tested ).
+
+We only solved the 3rd part for now, and I did proposal for the 2nd one
+( that were refused ).
+
+&gt;<i> If someone from -sysadmin can find the time to make the SVN repos for backports
+</I>&gt;<i> (and testing), that would be awesome, so we can actually do some testing for
+</I>&gt;<i> it and get this show on the road.
+</I>
+I do not think we should deploy first and then think.
+
+Either we declare backport unsupported, as in the current form, saying
+otherwise would be lying, or we need clearly define what to expect ( and
+that would be mostly &quot;no support if you do this, and less support if you
+do that&quot; ) if people think unsupported is too strong. If we take this
+way, we should make it clear to people using it.
+
+Or we find a solution for the problems, without adding new ones.
+
+We worked too hard to have a good reputation of being a solid
+distribution to ruin it. People can better cope with running old working
+softwares ( with old being 3 or 4 months old ) than having crashes or
+breakage later.
+
+Especially since people have said &quot;we do not want to reinstall on every
+version&quot;, to me, that's clearly a demand from users to have a working
+and smooth distribution upgrade process.
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>2011/7/26 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 25 juillet 2011 &#224; 21:47 +0200, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with regards to backports, users are complaining (they always do) that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports are taking too long.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on the one hand almost everyone seems to agree that backports should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;supported&quot; in some way or another... however, noone seems to want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> actuallty put in the time to finalize that. (or at least that's how I see it)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since afair there is no real consensus, i suggest one of the following
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> options, or possibly make this a vote, or have packaging team leaders (or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> board) decide this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A. backports are maintainers responsibility
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Every backport is tested or untested by maintainers discretion, (s)he decides
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> how much testing it needs. We could still make a policy that there should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some tests.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> B. well established support like updates
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Similar QA like updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then there is the matter of submission:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A. We submit all backports from cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> B. like updates, there's a separate section for backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> C. backport submission is only allowed from the separate section, not from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron, if you want to backports from cauldron, you need to make the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> necessary steps yourself.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> personally, i favor B &amp; C; such as i think most of the people wanted; but if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wanted, i can settle for A &amp; B.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If people did read what others said, they would have seen the obvious
+</I>&gt;<i> problem :
+</I>&gt;<i> Most people using backports, if not all, want to update just partially
+</I>&gt;<i> their system ( ie, cherry picking ). See for example the mail of wobo
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg05794.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg05794.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We also do it on our infrastructure, and I know others admins that do it
+</I>&gt;<i> too. See also others mails about the topic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So you are completely missing the real problems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yet, the solution is simple :
+</I>&gt;<i> just say that backports are unsupported beyond &quot;we offer them on the
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrors&quot;, since nobody is willing to :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) properly define supported ( yet everybody agree that it should be ).
+</I>&gt;<i> To me supported mean :
+</I>&gt;<i> - do not break important stuff of the distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> - is supported in term of bugfixes by the distribution, in a timely
+</I>&gt;<i> fashion
+</I>&gt;<i> - supported by packagers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) take the required measure to make that happen
+</I>&gt;<i> and by &quot;taking the measure&quot;, I mean &quot;follow the limitations that would
+</I>&gt;<i> enable proper support by my definition&quot;, which include among others :
+</I>&gt;<i> - not break upgrade from the distro to a new version ( I already
+</I>&gt;<i> explained that in the previous thread )
+</I>&gt;<i> - not let users with outdated and vulnerable softwares without expecting
+</I>&gt;<i> them to spend time finely tuning their system, and without putting
+</I>&gt;<i> restriction on what they run ( such as forcing to run a specific applet
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of having a smooth and integrated system like update )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Current system of Mandriva, that is currently used, is geared toward
+</I>&gt;<i> technical users only, and even them are left with a system in a
+</I>&gt;<i> unsupported state ( ie, no update, no upgrade, and no assurance of
+</I>&gt;<i> backport being properly tested ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We only solved the 3rd part for now, and I did proposal for the 2nd one
+</I>&gt;<i> ( that were refused ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If someone from -sysadmin can find the time to make the SVN repos for backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (and testing), that would be awesome, so we can actually do some testing for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it and get this show on the road.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not think we should deploy first and then think.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Either we declare backport unsupported, as in the current form, saying
+</I>&gt;<i> otherwise would be lying, or we need clearly define what to expect ( and
+</I>&gt;<i> that would be mostly &quot;no support if you do this, and less support if you
+</I>&gt;<i> do that&quot; ) if people think unsupported is too strong. If we take this
+</I>&gt;<i> way, we should make it clear to people using it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or we find a solution for the problems, without adding new ones.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We worked too hard to have a good reputation of being a solid
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution to ruin it. People can better cope with running old working
+</I>&gt;<i> softwares ( with old being 3 or 4 months old ) than having crashes or
+</I>&gt;<i> breakage later.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Especially since people have said &quot;we do not want to reinstall on every
+</I>&gt;<i> version&quot;, to me, that's clearly a demand from users to have a working
+</I>&gt;<i> and smooth distribution upgrade process.
+</I>
+A very strong +1 for these 2 last paragraphs.
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> Le 25/07/2011 22:29, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wally&lt;wally&gt; 3.1.4-3.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 129336
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - change conflict to obsoletes and provides to ensure smooth upgrade for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> current Cauldron users and to get rid of an old lib which also provides
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libgcr-3.so.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron update issues are supposed to be transient, and people running
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron are supposed to be able to handle them manually.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes, I know,
+
+but chosed to make an exception this time and thus avoid the flood of
+questions and bug reports about missing symbols in libgcr-3.so.0 and
+seahorse not working. I think this saves a lot of time for us and users.
+
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+Samuel Verschelde wrote:
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+[snip]
+&gt;<i> *** Old backports ***
+</I>&gt;<i> Remove old backports when newer ones are submitted
+</I>&gt;<i> - otherwise we let people use old bugged or plagged with security issues
+</I>&gt;<i> packages, when they don't necessarily know that there are problems with them
+</I>&gt;<i> - simpler choice : users have to choose between the version in updates and the
+</I>&gt;<i> one in backports, not more
+</I>&gt;<i> - less space on mirrors (fear wesnoth and vegastrike multiple backports !)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you for reading.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+It is theoretically possible that there could be multiple versions with
+bug fixes and feature enhancements with no known security problems in any
+of them. FireFox appears to be almost going down that path. I think
+that FF 5 is just FF 4.0.3 with a silly name - please correct me if I am
+wrong - and 5 should obsolete 4. But I can imagine several versions
+existing during the life of a LTS release.
+
+The deletion criteria should be, &quot;there is a vulnerability that that is
+not going to be fixed&quot;. That is usually, but not always the same as,
+&quot;there is a new version&quot;.
+
+Is it possible that a feature enhanced version could be a suggested
+update until a security hole is discovered in the old version, then
+the new version becomes an update?
+
+If you make an administrative decision that five versions of FF is
+too many I won't complain.
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+<PRE>Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 07:56:36, blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> on Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:34
+</I>&gt;<i> in the Usenet newsgroup gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; *** Old backports ***
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Remove old backports when newer ones are submitted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - otherwise we let people use old bugged or plagged with security issues
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages, when they don't necessarily know that there are problems with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; them - simpler choice : users have to choose between the version in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updates and the one in backports, not more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - less space on mirrors (fear wesnoth and vegastrike multiple backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; !)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thank you for reading.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Best regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is theoretically possible that there could be multiple versions with
+</I>&gt;<i> bug fixes and feature enhancements with no known security problems in any
+</I>&gt;<i> of them. FireFox appears to be almost going down that path. I think
+</I>&gt;<i> that FF 5 is just FF 4.0.3 with a silly name - please correct me if I am
+</I>&gt;<i> wrong - and 5 should obsolete 4. But I can imagine several versions
+</I>&gt;<i> existing during the life of a LTS release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The deletion criteria should be, &quot;there is a vulnerability that that is
+</I>&gt;<i> not going to be fixed&quot;. That is usually, but not always the same as,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;there is a new version&quot;.
+</I>
+Are you going to check every existing backport for vulnerabilities so that we
+can choose which versions to delete ? If not, I don't think this is realistic
+to support 5 versions of the same package at the same time. Let's go with the
+simpler approach.
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+
+as this discussion has come to a standstill, could we please restart this to
+get some results
+and some decisions? This is going on for some months, back and forth and seems we
+have come nowhere.
+
+Or has there already been some progress, which i have overseen, besides this:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=software_inclusion_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=software_inclusion_policy</A>
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=software_patents_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=software_patents_policy</A>
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+
+As far as FAAC is concerned, if we can't have this in the repos because it
+supposedly contains
+code based on the &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO</A>&gt;ISO MPEG-4 reference code,
+whose license is not compatible with the
+&lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Lesser_General_Public_License">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Lesser_General_Public_License</A>&gt;LGPL
+license, according to wikipedia.
+Then why do we have FAAD2 in the repos, which seems to contain copyrighted code
+from german
+Nero AG? Citing wikipedia from <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAAC#Licensing">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAAC#Licensing</A>
+
+ FAAD2 is licensed under the GPL v2 (and later GPL versions). Code from
+ FAAD2 is copyright
+ of Nero AG (the &quot;appropriate copyright message&quot; mentioned in section 2c of
+ the GPLv2).
+ The source code contains a note that the use of this software may require
+ the payment
+ of patent royalties.
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+ <B>D.Morgan</B>
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+ <I>Tue Jul 26 12:04:00 CEST 2011</I>
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+here is a list of some soft in a FTBFS state. Can some of you can take
+a look to make them build again ?
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+thank you
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+animata
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+while trying to work on the queue of update needing a push, I noticed
+that almost all of them use a &quot;Release: 0&quot;.
+
+Since this has a specific meaning ( ie, used for pre release, or svn
+snapshot ), using this for updates is quite confusing, and I do not see
+the reason for that.
+
+If the goal is to be sure that the software is still upgradable, the
+whole %mkrel stuff should take care of that. And if not, we can rebuild
+in cauldron to increase the release.
+--
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+ <B>Luc Menut</B>
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+<PRE>Le 26/07/2011 12:40, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> while trying to work on the queue of update needing a push, I noticed
+</I>&gt;<i> that almost all of them use a &quot;Release: 0&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since this has a specific meaning ( ie, used for pre release, or svn
+</I>&gt;<i> snapshot ), using this for updates is quite confusing, and I do not see
+</I>&gt;<i> the reason for that.
+</I>
+When it is used for prerelease (mainly in cauldron), the release 0 is
+usually associated with a svn or git rev. number, or date, or alpha,
+beta ... so it is not so much confusing with this use in update for
+official release.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the goal is to be sure that the software is still upgradable, the
+</I>&gt;<i> whole %mkrel stuff should take care of that. And if not, we can rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i> in cauldron to increase the release.
+</I>
+We regularly used release 0 and subrel 1 in Mdv for the packages updated
+with the same version in official releases and in cooker (firefox,
+thunderbird, java-1.6.0-sun, ...), to be sure that the package from the
+official release will be updated by a update to the devel release or the
+next official release.
+
+we often used in such packages:
+%if %mandriva_branch == Cooker
+# Cooker
+%define release %mkrel 1
+%else
+# Old distros
+%define subrel 1
+%define release %mkrel 0
+%endif
+
+regards,
+Luc
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> while trying to work on the queue of update needing a push, I noticed
+</I>&gt;<i> that almost all of them use a &quot;Release: 0&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since this has a specific meaning ( ie, used for pre release, or svn
+</I>&gt;<i> snapshot ), using this for updates is quite confusing, and I do not see
+</I>&gt;<i> the reason for that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the goal is to be sure that the software is still upgradable, the
+</I>&gt;<i> whole %mkrel stuff should take care of that. And if not, we can rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i> in cauldron to increase the release.
+</I>Can someone please update the policy
+(<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>) then. If following
+policy gets you unvalidated then something IS wrong.
+
+--
+Sander
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+<PRE>On 26 July 2011 13:22, Luc Menut &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lmenut at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 26/07/2011 12:40, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> while trying to work on the queue of update needing a push, I noticed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that almost all of them use a &quot;Release: 0&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since this has a specific meaning ( ie, used for pre release, or svn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> snapshot ), using this for updates is quite confusing, and I do not see
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the reason for that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When it is used for prerelease (mainly in cauldron), the release 0 is
+</I>&gt;<i> usually associated with a svn or git rev. number, or date, or alpha, beta
+</I>&gt;<i> ... so it is not so much confusing with this use in update for official
+</I>&gt;<i> release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Exactly. (And I didn't see any users getting confused by that all
+those years in mdv).
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If the goal is to be sure that the software is still upgradable, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whole %mkrel stuff should take care of that. And if not, we can rebuild
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in cauldron to increase the release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We regularly used release 0 and subrel 1 in Mdv for the packages updated
+</I>&gt;<i> with the same version in official releases and in cooker (firefox,
+</I>&gt;<i> thunderbird, java-1.6.0-sun, ...), to be sure that the package from the
+</I>&gt;<i> official release will be updated by a update to the devel release or the
+</I>&gt;<i> next official release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> we often used in such packages:
+</I>&gt;<i> %if %mandriva_branch == Cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> # Cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> %define release %mkrel 1
+</I>&gt;<i> %else
+</I>&gt;<i> # Old distros
+</I>&gt;<i> %define subrel 1
+</I>&gt;<i> %define release %mkrel 0
+</I>&gt;<i> %endif
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Luc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Agreed.
+
+Besides, one can simply forget to bump the rel in Cauldron and the
+issue will lay dormant until the next distro release is out and
+upgrades fail, worse if the package is on the DVD and users get the
+infamous urpmi-casacading-failure.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+&gt;<i> dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt; 20100722-37.mga2:
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+</I>&gt;<i> - Backport mdv commit 641574
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+Please include a one liner description next time...
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+&gt;<i> On 6 July 2011 07:59, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt; 20100722-37.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 119211
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Backport mdv commit 641574
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please include a one liner description next time...
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+<PRE>Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 12:40:02, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> while trying to work on the queue of update needing a push, I noticed
+</I>&gt;<i> that almost all of them use a &quot;Release: 0&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since this has a specific meaning ( ie, used for pre release, or svn
+</I>&gt;<i> snapshot ), using this for updates is quite confusing, and I do not see
+</I>&gt;<i> the reason for that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the goal is to be sure that the software is still upgradable, the
+</I>&gt;<i> whole %mkrel stuff should take care of that. And if not, we can rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i> in cauldron to increase the release.
+</I>
+The goal is indeed to make sure the software is still upgradable. Until now,
+in Mandriva and we followed the same way in Mageia, the rule has been :
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+* if version is the same, just increase subrel
+* if the update is a new version, put release 0 and subrel 1, then increase
+subrel in subsequent updates concerning the same version
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+If %mkrel could take care of that, that would be good, but for now this is not
+the case, unless I'm mistaken :
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sam at localhost</A> mga]$ rpmdev-vercmp 1.6.17-1.1.mga1.i586 1.6.17-1.mga2.i586
+1.6.17-1.1.mga1.i586 &gt; 1.6.17-1.mga2.i586
+
+whereas :
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sam at localhost</A> mga]$ rpmdev-vercmp 1.6.17-0.1.mga1.i586 1.6.17-1.mga2.i586
+1.6.17-0.1.mga1.i586 &lt; 1.6.17-1.mga2.i586
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+So, yes, it would be good if %mkrel would take care of that, but AFAIK it
+requires development. Would 1.6.17-mga1.1.1.i586 instead of
+1.6.17-1.1.mga1.i586 be a solution so that the distrelease tag has higher
+precedence than the numbers ?
+
+If I'm forgetting something important that invalidates what I'm saying, just
+let me know, it will just improve my understanding of RPM versioning :)
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+Best regards
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+Samuel Verschelde
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+<PRE>Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 17:48:55, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 12:40:02, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; while trying to work on the queue of update needing a push, I noticed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that almost all of them use a &quot;Release: 0&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Since this has a specific meaning ( ie, used for pre release, or svn
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; snapshot ), using this for updates is quite confusing, and I do not see
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the reason for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If the goal is to be sure that the software is still upgradable, the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; whole %mkrel stuff should take care of that. And if not, we can rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in cauldron to increase the release.
+</I>
+Re-reading the last sentence for the third time, I understood it at last : so
+you suggest that we start with release 1 in updates and systematically bump
+release in cauldron when it's the case ? Why not if using release 0 is really
+a problem.
+
+By the way, is there a youri-check test that checks that packages in the n-th
+release don't have a higher version than those in the (n+x)th releases and
+cauldron ?
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+Best regards
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+Samuel
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Michael Scherer at 26/07/11 11:40 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> If the goal is to be sure that the software is still upgradable, the
+</I>&gt;<i> whole %mkrel stuff should take care of that.
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+No it doesn't. That only works for one release assuming we do not use
+subrel with that release. Even with mkrel, we will instantly need to
+bump the cauldron package as soon as it's used for the first time.
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+We used to do 0 releases in Mandriva quite often, and I don't think this
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+<PRE>On 26.07.2011 18:48, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 12:40:02, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> while trying to work on the queue of update needing a push, I noticed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that almost all of them use a &quot;Release: 0&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since this has a specific meaning ( ie, used for pre release, or svn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> snapshot ), using this for updates is quite confusing, and I do not see
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the reason for that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If the goal is to be sure that the software is still upgradable, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whole %mkrel stuff should take care of that. And if not, we can rebuild
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in cauldron to increase the release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The goal is indeed to make sure the software is still upgradable. Until now,
+</I>&gt;<i> in Mandriva and we followed the same way in Mageia, the rule has been :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * if version is the same, just increase subrel
+</I>&gt;<i> * if the update is a new version, put release 0 and subrel 1, then increase
+</I>&gt;<i> subrel in subsequent updates concerning the same version
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If %mkrel could take care of that, that would be good, but for now this is not
+</I>&gt;<i> the case, unless I'm mistaken :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sam at localhost</A> mga]$ rpmdev-vercmp 1.6.17-1.1.mga1.i586 1.6.17-1.mga2.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 1.6.17-1.1.mga1.i586 &gt; 1.6.17-1.mga2.i586
+</I>
+I think misc meant using simply 1.6.17-1.mga1.i586.
+
+&gt;<i> whereas :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sam at localhost</A> mga]$ rpmdev-vercmp 1.6.17-0.1.mga1.i586 1.6.17-1.mga2.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 1.6.17-0.1.mga1.i586 &lt; 1.6.17-1.mga2.i586
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, yes, it would be good if %mkrel would take care of that, but AFAIK it
+</I>&gt;<i> requires development. Would 1.6.17-mga1.1.1.i586 instead of
+</I>&gt;<i> 1.6.17-1.1.mga1.i586 be a solution so that the distrelease tag has higher
+</I>&gt;<i> precedence than the numbers ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I'm forgetting something important that invalidates what I'm saying, just
+</I>&gt;<i> let me know, it will just improve my understanding of RPM versioning :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Michael Scherer at 26/07/11 11:40 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If the goal is to be sure that the software is still upgradable, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whole %mkrel stuff should take care of that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No it doesn't. That only works for one release assuming we do not use
+</I>&gt;<i> subrel with that release. Even with mkrel, we will instantly need to
+</I>&gt;<i> bump the cauldron package as soon as it's used for the first time.
+</I>
+If one does another update (i.e. adds subrel), it should mean that the
+fixes/whatever have been done to the cauldron tree first and thus
+cauldron has 1.0-2.mga1, while mga1 gets 1.0-1.1.mga1.
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+&gt;<i> We used to do 0 releases in Mandriva quite often, and I don't think this
+</I>&gt;<i> is necessarily problematic. If a package is a prerelease, the release
+</I>&gt;<i> itself will likely contain the word git or svn etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
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+<PRE>Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 &#224; 15:26 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 26 July 2011 13:22, Luc Menut &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lmenut at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 26/07/2011 12:40, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; while trying to work on the queue of update needing a push, I noticed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; that almost all of them use a &quot;Release: 0&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Since this has a specific meaning ( ie, used for pre release, or svn
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; snapshot ), using this for updates is quite confusing, and I do not see
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the reason for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; When it is used for prerelease (mainly in cauldron), the release 0 is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; usually associated with a svn or git rev. number, or date, or alpha, beta
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ... so it is not so much confusing with this use in update for official
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; release.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Exactly. (And I didn't see any users getting confused by that all
+</I>&gt;<i> those years in mdv).
+</I>
+Likely because none of them know the specific meaning of using 0.
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If the goal is to be sure that the software is still upgradable, the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; whole %mkrel stuff should take care of that. And if not, we can rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; in cauldron to increase the release.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We regularly used release 0 and subrel 1 in Mdv for the packages updated
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with the same version in official releases and in cooker (firefox,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; thunderbird, java-1.6.0-sun, ...), to be sure that the package from the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; official release will be updated by a update to the devel release or the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; next official release.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we often used in such packages:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %if %mandriva_branch == Cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; # Cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %define release %mkrel 1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %else
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; # Old distros
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %define subrel 1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %define release %mkrel 0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %endif
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Luc
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Besides, one can simply forget to bump the rel in Cauldron and the
+</I>&gt;<i> issue will lay dormant until the next distro release is out and
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrades fail, worse if the package is on the DVD and users get the
+</I>&gt;<i> infamous urpmi-casacading-failure.
+</I>
+There is no need to bump the release in cauldron.
+
+If I have the latest version X of package foo in cauldron, it would be
+foo-X-1.mga2 , and if we push the same latest new version to stable
+( which should not happen much per policy ), it would be foo-X-0.mga1
+( with current practice ), or foo-X-1.mga1 ( with the proposal to change
+).
+
+In both case, the upgrade path would not be broken, even in the event
+that foo is never rebuilt in cauldron, since 1.mga2 &gt; 1.mga1
+
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+The only potential issue would be that if we need to rebuild the package
+on stable, and not in cauldron, and so far, I didn't found any example
+of that except for wrong version updates were the current practice is to
+increase subrel.
+
+Yet, the problem would also be there for regular non-version upgrade
+( ie, if we have foo-2-2.mga2 in cauldron and stable, and that we need
+to rebuild on stable and not on cauldron, we face the same problem ), so
+using 0 is a incomplete solution to the issue, and the only solution is
+to rebuild in cauldron, and such problem should better be detected by
+youri.
+
+So, the conclusion is that we should test ugprade rather than assuming
+that it will just work because we placed a 0 instead of a 1 somewhere.
+
+Now, using 0 prevent us from having a simple way of seeing what
+prerelease we ship and that should be updated to latest stable ( as this
+seems to me quite desirable ).
+
+This is also inconsistent with the practice we had of backporting from
+cooker ( as the initial goal at Mandriva was to have 0 modifications
+from cooker to backports to reduce the load ). And if we ship something
+in update and in backports, we would have the same packages with 2
+different releases, and that doesn't seems a good idea.
+
+And as showed by Luc, this practice make us manually copy and and paste
+specific lines of code to specs to support it, and also requires to add
+a exception in the procedure. Since we always said to packagers &quot;the
+release number start to 1&quot;, being inconsistent will likely make thing a
+little bit less easy to understand ( as every exceptions ).
+
+So we do have :
+- something that is not really needed, except in very rare cases that
+could be solved other ways most of the time ( and could be prevented too
+).
+- something that requires to add specific exceptions in
+ - specs
+ - procedures
+ with the added complexity it produces
+- something not consistent with existing practice of backports at
+mandriva and not consistent with regular packaging.
+
+So for theses reasons, I think the rule should be simplified, especially
+since the only reason is &quot;we always did like that&quot;.
+
+--
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+</I>&gt;<i> Due to time constraints I have to leave the bug triage team. I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> still try to keep up with the bugs list when I have the time but
+</I>&gt;<i> won't be able primarily work on it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
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+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>26.07.2011 19:42, Michael Scherer kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Likely because none of them know the specific meaning of using 0.
+</I> From where is this specific meaning coming? Where is it documented?
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+<PRE>Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 &#224; 17:53 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 17:48:55, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 12:40:02, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; while trying to work on the queue of update needing a push, I noticed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; that almost all of them use a &quot;Release: 0&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Since this has a specific meaning ( ie, used for pre release, or svn
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; snapshot ), using this for updates is quite confusing, and I do not see
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; the reason for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; If the goal is to be sure that the software is still upgradable, the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; whole %mkrel stuff should take care of that. And if not, we can rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; in cauldron to increase the release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Re-reading the last sentence for the third time, I understood it at last : so
+</I>&gt;<i> you suggest that we start with release 1 in updates and systematically bump
+</I>&gt;<i> release in cauldron when it's the case ? Why not if using release 0 is really
+</I>&gt;<i> a problem.
+</I>
+Not systematically, only if needed, and it should IMHO be almost never
+needed, for the sake of consistency with the existing practice of
+starting at 1 for every others cases.
+
+&gt;<i> By the way, is there a youri-check test that checks that packages in the n-th
+</I>&gt;<i> release don't have a higher version than those in the (n+x)th releases and
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron ?
+</I>
+There is Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence :
+
+NAME
+ Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence - Release test against another
+test
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+DESCRIPTION
+ This test plugin rejects packages whose an older revision already
+ exists for another upload target.
+
+And it was disabled on plf due to rpm5 problem, according to a comment,
+but was used before.
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+It is currently installed but not used on our system, that's 1 line of
+configuration to enable it for updates(_testing)? .
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 26/07/11 17:27 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 26.07.2011 19:20, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Michael Scherer at 26/07/11 11:40 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If the goal is to be sure that the software is still upgradable, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> whole %mkrel stuff should take care of that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No it doesn't. That only works for one release assuming we do not use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> subrel with that release. Even with mkrel, we will instantly need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bump the cauldron package as soon as it's used for the first time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If one does another update (i.e. adds subrel), it should mean that the
+</I>&gt;<i> fixes/whatever have been done to the cauldron tree first and thus
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron has 1.0-2.mga1, while mga1 gets 1.0-1.1.mga1.
+</I>
+Assuming it's a fix that's relevant for Cauldron.... it could just be
+something that only applies to the previous distro or to rebuild it
+against a new lib that's just been updated (i.e. in the wrong order).
+It's maybe not too common, but it can happen.
+
+I personally quite like the 0 release thing as it means I can tell at a
+glance that something is likely an updated package. I don't think the
+&quot;it's pre-release&quot; is a concern overall. Most users probably wouldn't
+know of any presumptions or for that matter even notice!
+
+But I'm not super attached to anything, provided it's clear and the
+policy linked already by Sander is adapted to accommodate this new rule,
+I don't mind using it if it's what everyone wants (tho' I'd rather keep
+it given the choice).
+
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+Col
+
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+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 18:26:25, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 26.07.2011 18:48, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 12:40:02, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; while trying to work on the queue of update needing a push, I noticed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; that almost all of them use a &quot;Release: 0&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Since this has a specific meaning ( ie, used for pre release, or svn
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; snapshot ), using this for updates is quite confusing, and I do not see
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the reason for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If the goal is to be sure that the software is still upgradable, the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; whole %mkrel stuff should take care of that. And if not, we can rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; in cauldron to increase the release.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The goal is indeed to make sure the software is still upgradable. Until
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; now, in Mandriva and we followed the same way in Mageia, the rule has
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; been :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * if version is the same, just increase subrel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * if the update is a new version, put release 0 and subrel 1, then
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; increase subrel in subsequent updates concerning the same version
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If %mkrel could take care of that, that would be good, but for now this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is not the case, unless I'm mistaken :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sam at localhost</A> mga]$ rpmdev-vercmp 1.6.17-1.1.mga1.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1.6.17-1.mga2.i586 1.6.17-1.1.mga1.i586 &gt; 1.6.17-1.mga2.i586
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think misc meant using simply 1.6.17-1.mga1.i586.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+As soon as you have a second fix to do, it will become 1.6.17-1.1.mga1.i586 so
+my comparison is still relevant.
+
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 26/07/11 17:27 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 26.07.2011 19:20, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Michael Scherer at 26/07/11 11:40 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; If the goal is to be sure that the software is still upgradable, the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; whole %mkrel stuff should take care of that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; No it doesn't. That only works for one release assuming we do not use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; subrel with that release. Even with mkrel, we will instantly need to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; bump the cauldron package as soon as it's used for the first time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If one does another update (i.e. adds subrel), it should mean that the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fixes/whatever have been done to the cauldron tree first and thus
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cauldron has 1.0-2.mga1, while mga1 gets 1.0-1.1.mga1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Assuming it's a fix that's relevant for Cauldron.... it could just be
+</I>&gt;<i> something that only applies to the previous distro or to rebuild it
+</I>&gt;<i> against a new lib that's just been updated (i.e. in the wrong order).
+</I>&gt;<i> It's maybe not too common, but it can happen.
+</I>
++1 to that
+
+&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I'm not super attached to anything, provided it's clear and the
+</I>&gt;<i> policy linked already by Sander is adapted to accommodate this new rule,
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't mind using it if it's what everyone wants (tho' I'd rather keep
+</I>&gt;<i> it given the choice).
+</I>
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+<PRE>Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 18:42:05, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+[snip]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yet, the problem would also be there for regular non-version upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> ( ie, if we have foo-2-2.mga2 in cauldron and stable, and that we need
+</I>&gt;<i> to rebuild on stable and not on cauldron, we face the same problem ), so
+</I>&gt;<i> using 0 is a incomplete solution to the issue, and the only solution is
+</I>&gt;<i> to rebuild in cauldron, and such problem should better be detected by
+</I>&gt;<i> youri.
+</I>
+Very good point, this is a decisive argument to me.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, the conclusion is that we should test ugprade rather than assuming
+</I>&gt;<i> that it will just work because we placed a 0 instead of a 1 somewhere.
+</I>
+Ok for me provided we put in place the necessary processes to avoid upgrade
+problems (Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence for example).
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, using 0 prevent us from having a simple way of seeing what
+</I>&gt;<i> prerelease we ship and that should be updated to latest stable ( as this
+</I>&gt;<i> seems to me quite desirable ).
+</I>
+Good point too.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is also inconsistent with the practice we had of backporting from
+</I>&gt;<i> cooker ( as the initial goal at Mandriva was to have 0 modifications
+</I>&gt;<i> from cooker to backports to reduce the load ). And if we ship something
+</I>&gt;<i> in update and in backports, we would have the same packages with 2
+</I>&gt;<i> different releases, and that doesn't seems a good idea.
+</I>
+Worse, the backport would be preferred to the update :/
+
+You should have said all this right from the start rather than assuming that
+we would have all these elements in mind :)
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+&gt;<i> 26.07.2011 19:42, Michael Scherer kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Likely because none of them know the specific meaning of using 0.
+</I>&gt;<i> From where is this specific meaning coming? Where is it documented?
+</I>
+Where does it come, I do not know, likely due to the structure of rpm
+( debian use some tricks with ~ in version for that ).
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+The first example I can think of date back to 2002-4, in mandrake rpm
+howto, that you can find ( in a updated version ) on :
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/RPM_Advanced#Releasing_pre-versions">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/RPM_Advanced#Releasing_pre-versions</A>
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+Fedora also adopted the same convention :
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/NamingGuidelines#Pre-Release_packages">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/NamingGuidelines#Pre-Release_packages</A>
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+And i was unable to find anything on opensuse wiki for that.
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 18:26:25, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 26.07.2011 18:48, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 12:40:02, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; while trying to work on the queue of update needing a push, I noticed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; that almost all of them use a &quot;Release: 0&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Since this has a specific meaning ( ie, used for pre release, or svn
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; snapshot ), using this for updates is quite confusing, and I do not see
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; the reason for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; If the goal is to be sure that the software is still upgradable, the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; whole %mkrel stuff should take care of that. And if not, we can rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; in cauldron to increase the release.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The goal is indeed to make sure the software is still upgradable. Until
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; now, in Mandriva and we followed the same way in Mageia, the rule has
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; been :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; * if version is the same, just increase subrel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; * if the update is a new version, put release 0 and subrel 1, then
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; increase subrel in subsequent updates concerning the same version
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; If %mkrel could take care of that, that would be good, but for now this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; is not the case, unless I'm mistaken :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sam at localhost</A> mga]$ rpmdev-vercmp 1.6.17-1.1.mga1.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1.6.17-1.mga2.i586 1.6.17-1.1.mga1.i586 &gt; 1.6.17-1.mga2.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think misc meant using simply 1.6.17-1.mga1.i586.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As soon as you have a second fix to do, it will become 1.6.17-1.1.mga1.i586 so
+</I>&gt;<i> my comparison is still relevant.
+</I>
+Well, as I said, how often does it occurs, and how often does it occurs
+to have a fix to the stable release that would not apply to the same
+software version that was not rebuilt on cauldron ?
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+( because, if it was rebuilt, it would have a increased release and/or
+version ).
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+well, i did ask this once in mandriva, now in mageia. I've sucessfully packed
+in RPM sawmill (www.sawmill.net) software.
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+My question is if i shall import it regarding next points:
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+- source is available, you can compile it
+- it has 30 days trial time periodo, after that you shall buy a key (string)
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+I have a good relation with them so i may ask permition to distribut it here.
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+&gt;<i> Just been looking in the core/updates_testing/ repo to see if there
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+</I>&gt;<i> noticed that the libreoffice-help-en-3.3.3.1-0.1.mga1.i586.rpm is
+</I>&gt;<i> only 18KB and all other languages are more than 5000KB.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Is this right?
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+&gt;<i> My question is if i shall import it regarding next points:
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+</I>&gt;<i> - source is available, you can compile it
+</I>
+Goto nonfree, but
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+</I>&gt;<i> (string) to enter it
+</I>
+All source avaliable? So this is not a hard lock?
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+&gt;<i> I have a good relation with them so i may ask permition to distribut it
+</I>&gt;<i> here. Please comment.
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+</I>I don't see the interest of providing something inside the distro that will
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 20:02:34, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; My question is if i shall import it regarding next points:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - it is no gpl
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - source is available, you can compile it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Goto nonfree, but
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - it has 30 days trial time periodo, after that you shall buy a key
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (string) to enter it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All source avaliable? So this is not a hard lock?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have a good relation with them so i may ask permition to distribut it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; here. Please comment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't see the interest of providing something inside the distro that will
+</I>&gt;<i> stop working after a few days...
+</I>You simply reinstall,
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+i'm not sure, this is an excelent software and for those who want to use is
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+&gt;<i> &gt; I don't see the interest of providing something inside the distro that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will stop working after a few days...
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+</I>&gt;<i> You simply reinstall,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm not sure, this is an excelent software and for those who want to use is
+</I>&gt;<i> very usefull. too much
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+No? so your package should add a cronjob to remove the timestamp every 30 days
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+&gt;<i> Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> well, i did ask this once in mandriva, now in mageia. I've sucessfully packed
+</I>&gt;<i> in RPM sawmill (www.sawmill.net) software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My question is if i shall import it regarding next points:
+</I>&gt;<i> - it is no gpl
+</I>
+Given the EXPORT ASSURANCE section of <A HREF="http://www.sawmill.net/eula.html">http://www.sawmill.net/eula.html</A>
+I don't think it would be possible, without taking steps to block
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 &#224; 19:21 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>...
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As soon as you have a second fix to do, it will become 1.6.17-1.1.mga1.i586 so
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+</I>&gt;<i> Well, as I said, how often does it occurs, and how often does it occurs
+</I>&gt;<i> to have a fix to the stable release that would not apply to the same
+</I>&gt;<i> software version that was not rebuilt on cauldron ?
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+<PRE>Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 15:23:30 David W. Hodgins a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:02:34 -0400, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dlucio at okay.com.mx</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; well, i did ask this once in mandriva, now in mageia. I've sucessfully
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packed in RPM sawmill (www.sawmill.net) software.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; My question is if i shall import it regarding next points:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - it is no gpl
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Given the EXPORT ASSURANCE section of <A HREF="http://www.sawmill.net/eula.html">http://www.sawmill.net/eula.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think it would be possible, without taking steps to block
+</I>&gt;<i> installation in any of the countries listed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>
+You are right, I've writo them to ask for permition first.
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+<PRE>Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 20:02:34, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> well, i did ask this once in mandriva, now in mageia. I've sucessfully
+</I>&gt;<i> packed in RPM sawmill (www.sawmill.net) software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My question is if i shall import it regarding next points:
+</I>&gt;<i> - it is no gpl
+</I>&gt;<i> - source is available, you can compile it
+</I>&gt;<i> - it has 30 days trial time periodo, after that you shall buy a key
+</I>&gt;<i> (string) to enter it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a good relation with them so i may ask permition to distribut it
+</I>&gt;<i> here. Please comment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> LD
+</I>
+The fact that it's only a 30 days trial speaks against importing it, in my
+opinion. However, if you import it, if a specific permission to distribute it
+is needed then it should be written, otherwise I don't thing that we would be
+legally protected, as well as those who mirror us.
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+<PRE>Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 23:13:49 Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 20:02:34, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; well, i did ask this once in mandriva, now in mageia. I've sucessfully
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packed in RPM sawmill (www.sawmill.net) software.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; My question is if i shall import it regarding next points:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - it is no gpl
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - source is available, you can compile it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - it has 30 days trial time periodo, after that you shall buy a key
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (string) to enter it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have a good relation with them so i may ask permition to distribut it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; here. Please comment.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; LD
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The fact that it's only a 30 days trial speaks against importing it, in my
+</I>&gt;<i> opinion. However, if you import it, if a specific permission to distribute
+</I>&gt;<i> it is needed then it should be written, otherwise I don't thing that we
+</I>&gt;<i> would be legally protected, as well as those who mirror us.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>Yes, i will arrange this and communicate with counsill if i got a yes
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+<PRE>AS i was talking with Mikala (John Balcaen), there tis tis the backlog
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+Application: Configuration du syst&#232;me (systemsettings), signal: Segmentation
+fault
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+#6 0x00007faf39dcc4eb in
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+ <B>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz</B>
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+<PRE>Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 16:16:07 vous avez &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 23:13:49 Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 20:02:34, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; well, i did ask this once in mandriva, now in mageia. I've
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; sucessfully
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; packed in RPM sawmill (www.sawmill.net) software.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; My question is if i shall import it regarding next points:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - it is no gpl
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - source is available, you can compile it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - it has 30 days trial time periodo, after that you shall buy a key
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; (string) to enter it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I have a good relation with them so i may ask permition to distribut
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; here. Please comment.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; LD
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The fact that it's only a 30 days trial speaks against importing it, in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; my opinion. However, if you import it, if a specific permission to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distribute it is needed then it should be written, otherwise I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; thing that we would be legally protected, as well as those who mirror
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; us.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, i will arrange this and communicate with counsill if i got a yes
+</I>
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+I got a YES
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+what is the procedure to get a written auth?
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+&gt;<i> Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 16:16:07 vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 23:13:49 Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 20:02:34, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; well, i did ask this once in mandriva, now in mageia. I've
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; sucessfully
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; packed in RPM sawmill (www.sawmill.net) software.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; My question is if i shall import it regarding next points:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; - it is no gpl
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; - source is available, you can compile it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; - it has 30 days trial time periodo, after that you shall buy a key
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; (string) to enter it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; I have a good relation with them so i may ask permition to distribut
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; here. Please comment.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; LD
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The fact that it's only a 30 days trial speaks against importing it, in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; my opinion. However, if you import it, if a specific permission to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; distribute it is needed then it should be written, otherwise I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; thing that we would be legally protected, as well as those who mirror
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; us.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, i will arrange this and communicate with counsill if i got a yes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I got a YES
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> what is the procedure to get a written auth?
+</I>
+A yes to what question ?
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+&gt;<i> AS i was talking with Mikala (John Balcaen), there tis tis the backlog
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+Seems like your bug report ( <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278586">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278586</A>) is a
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+&gt;<i> Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 16:16:07 vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 23:13:49 Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 20:02:34, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hello all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; well, i did ask this once in mandriva, now in mageia. I've
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; sucessfully
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; packed in RPM sawmill (www.sawmill.net) software.
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, i will arrange this and communicate with counsill if i got a yes
+</I>
+&gt;<i> I got a YES
+</I>
+They understand the mirrors currently have no way of blocking residents of
+Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea or any other country to which the United
+States embargoes goods, or (ii) to the Bosnian Serbs from downloading and
+installing the package?
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+<PRE>Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 07:56:36, blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:34
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the Usenet newsgroup gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> *** Old backports ***
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Remove old backports when newer ones are submitted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - otherwise we let people use old bugged or plagged with security issues
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages, when they don't necessarily know that there are problems with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> them - simpler choice : users have to choose between the version in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updates and the one in backports, not more
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - less space on mirrors (fear wesnoth and vegastrike multiple backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> !)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thank you for reading.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Best regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is theoretically possible that there could be multiple versions with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bug fixes and feature enhancements with no known security problems in any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of them. FireFox appears to be almost going down that path. I think
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that FF 5 is just FF 4.0.3 with a silly name - please correct me if I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrong - and 5 should obsolete 4. But I can imagine several versions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> existing during the life of a LTS release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The deletion criteria should be, &quot;there is a vulnerability that that is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not going to be fixed&quot;. That is usually, but not always the same as,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;there is a new version&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you going to check every existing backport for vulnerabilities so that we
+</I>&gt;<i> can choose which versions to delete ? If not, I don't think this is realistic
+</I>&gt;<i> to support 5 versions of the same package at the same time. Let's go with the
+</I>&gt;<i> simpler approach.
+</I>
+I can see the point of not keeping multiple packports of larger packages such
+as ff.
+And the point of keeping things simpler.
+
+However, often a newer version of a package drops/changes features of older
+versions, so it really does makes sense to keep the older version available,
+for fallback. This often applies to very small optional modules of some
+application.
+(On my system there is at least one very old optional module for a package that
+I keep for that reason.)
+
+So my suggestion : for smaller packages, say not more than about 1 M or 5 M,
+(where size doesn't present a problem), we keep multiple backports as long as
+there are no known security issues.
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+&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
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+<PRE>Le Wednesday 27 July 2011 01:33:17 Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 &#224; 18:11 -0500, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 16:16:07 vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 23:13:49 Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 20:02:34, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; well, i did ask this once in mandriva, now in mageia. I've
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; sucessfully
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; packed in RPM sawmill (www.sawmill.net) software.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; My question is if i shall import it regarding next points:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - it is no gpl
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - source is available, you can compile it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - it has 30 days trial time periodo, after that you shall
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; buy a key
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; (string) to enter it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I have a good relation with them so i may ask permition to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; distribut it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; here. Please comment.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; LD
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; The fact that it's only a 30 days trial speaks against importing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; it, in my opinion. However, if you import it, if a specific
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; permission to distribute it is needed then it should be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; written, otherwise I don't thing that we would be legally
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; protected, as well as those who mirror us.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Yes, i will arrange this and communicate with counsill if i got a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; yes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I got a YES
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; what is the procedure to get a written auth?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A yes to what question ?
+</I>To proceed to include into mageia
+that's why i was asking what is the letter they shall sign
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+&gt;<i> hi, a very seen problem by end users is the l10n and i18n packages :
+</I>&gt;<i> - you install thunderbird, but it is in english, while your system was
+</I>&gt;<i> installed in another language
+</I>&gt;<i> - the same for kde, gcompris (sounds only), firefox, libreoffice, gimp (help
+</I>&gt;<i> only), etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Has this already been discussed?
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any projet on rpmdrake/urpmi to give a better user experience?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jos&#233;
+</I>
+I don't remember if it has been discussed here, but it was discussed a bit on
+mdv before mga started. I agree that something should be done about this.
+I've long thought that we should have a means to designate the languages for a
+system, so that these languages are installed if available in accompanying
+packages (like firefox/libreoffice/gimp, etc), and other languages are not
+installed where they are included in a package, as is often the case.
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+BTW, when I was more limited in disk space, while on mdv, I removed unwanted
+l10n files, and saved a considerable amount of disk space.
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+That's among the many improvements I'd like to see in rpmdrake/urpmi.
+Now all I need to do is improve my perl skills, and a little more time ... :)
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+<PRE>Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 20:10:12 David W. Hodgins a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:11:44 -0400, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dlucio at okay.com.mx</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 16:16:07 vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 23:13:49 Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 20:02:34, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; well, i did ask this once in mandriva, now in mageia. I've
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; sucessfully
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; packed in RPM sawmill (www.sawmill.net) software.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Yes, i will arrange this and communicate with counsill if i got a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; yes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I got a YES
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They understand the mirrors currently have no way of blocking residents of
+</I>&gt;<i> Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea or any other country to which the
+</I>&gt;<i> United States embargoes goods, or (ii) to the Bosnian Serbs from
+</I>&gt;<i> downloading and installing the package?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>
+I guess, i did explain that it is worldwide reachable, including banned
+countries by USA. However i guess we can do that explicit in written auth
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+LD
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+<PRE>David W. Hodgins a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:11:44 -0400, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dlucio at okay.com.mx</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 16:16:07 vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 23:13:49 Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 20:02:34, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hello all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; well, i did ask this once in mandriva, now in mageia. I've
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; sucessfully
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; packed in RPM sawmill (www.sawmill.net) software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, i will arrange this and communicate with counsill if i got a yes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I got a YES
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They understand the mirrors currently have no way of blocking residents of
+</I>&gt;<i> Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea or any other country to which the
+</I>&gt;<i> United
+</I>&gt;<i> States embargoes goods, or (ii) to the Bosnian Serbs from downloading and
+</I>&gt;<i> installing the package?
+</I>
+That's a provision of the U.S. govt, (followed by the canadian and many other
+govts), which means that mirrors can't be located in such countries. But there
+is nothing to stop residents of those countries from downloading the software,
+except censorship by various govts. (Which does happen.)
+A mirror is not initiating the transfer, and likely has no idea of the real
+source of the download request.
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+That said, I'm not very comfortable with the 30-day trial aspect. I don't see
+our role as distributing shareware. But whatever is decided ...
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+&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+<PRE>Can someone that has the powers please remove these noarch packages in the 64
+bit repos
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+horde-activesync
+horde-argv
+horde-auth
+horde-block
+horde-browser
+horde-cache
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+horde-nls
+horde-notification
+horde-perms
+horde-prefs
+horde-share
+horde-util
+horde-ui
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+Thanks
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+&gt;<i> Can someone that has the powers please remove these noarch packages in the
+</I>&gt;<i> 64
+</I>&gt;<i> bit repos
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Better place for package removal requests is the sysadm ML.
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+<PRE>2011/7/27 Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Name : php-pear-Horde_Crypt Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.0.3 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 3.mga2 Build Date: Wed Jul 27 07:01:17
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Networking/Mail Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 129741 License: LGPL
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://pear.horde.org/package/Horde_Crypt">http://pear.horde.org/package/Horde_Crypt</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Horde Cryptography API
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> The Horde_Crypt package class provides an API for various cryptographic
+</I>&gt;<i> systems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 1.0.3-3.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 129865
+</I>&gt;<i> -Requires: php-pear-Stream_Filter &lt;= 2.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> +Requires: php-pear-Horde_Stream_Filter &lt;= 2.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> -Conflicts: php-pear-Exception = 2.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> -Conflicts: php-pear-Util = 2.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> +Conflicts: php-pear-Horde_Exception = 2.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> +Conflicts: php-pear-Horde_Util = 2.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> - changed Requires: php-pear-Horde_MimeMime to php-pear-Horde_Mime
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package php-pear-Horde_Crypt
+</I>
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+Please use better commit msgs next time. E.g. &quot;- fix requires and conflicts
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+&gt;<i> David W. Hodgins a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:11:44 -0400, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dlucio at okay.com.mx</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 16:16:07 vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 23:13:49 Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 20:02:34, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> well, i did ask this once in mandriva, now in mageia. I've
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sucessfully
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packed in RPM sawmill (www.sawmill.net) software.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, i will arrange this and communicate with counsill if i got a yes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I got a YES
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They understand the mirrors currently have no way of blocking residents of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea or any other country to which the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> United
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> States embargoes goods, or (ii) to the Bosnian Serbs from downloading and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installing the package?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's a provision of the U.S. govt, (followed by the canadian and many other
+</I>&gt;<i> govts), which means that mirrors can't be located in such countries. But there
+</I>&gt;<i> is nothing to stop residents of those countries from downloading the software,
+</I>&gt;<i> except censorship by various govts. (Which does happen.)
+</I>&gt;<i> A mirror is not initiating the transfer, and likely has no idea of the real
+</I>&gt;<i> source of the download request.
+</I>
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+Wich means that _if_ we provide it, it has to go into tainted repo, as
+it's restricted by it's license.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That said, I'm not very comfortable with the 30-day trial aspect. I don't see
+</I>&gt;<i> our role as distributing shareware. But whatever is decided ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+I'm not really fond of the idea of providing shareware on our mirrors
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That said, I'm not very comfortable with the 30-day trial aspect. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't see
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> our role as distributing shareware. But whatever is decided ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah,
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not really fond of the idea of providing shareware on our mirrors
+</I>&gt;<i> either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
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+&#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le Wednesday 27 July 2011 01:33:17 Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 &#224; 18:11 -0500, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 16:16:07 vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 23:13:49 Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 20:02:34, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; well, i did ask this once in mandriva, now in mageia. I've
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; sucessfully
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; packed in RPM sawmill (www.sawmill.net) software.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; My question is if i shall import it regarding next points:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - it is no gpl
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - source is available, you can compile it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - it has 30 days trial time periodo, after that you shall
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; buy a key
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; (string) to enter it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I have a good relation with them so i may ask permition to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; distribut it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; here. Please comment.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; LD
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The fact that it's only a 30 days trial speaks against importing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it, in my opinion. However, if you import it, if a specific
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; permission to distribute it is needed then it should be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; written, otherwise I don't thing that we would be legally
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; protected, as well as those who mirror us.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Yes, i will arrange this and communicate with counsill if i got a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; yes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I got a YES
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; what is the procedure to get a written auth?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A yes to what question ?
+</I>&gt;<i> To proceed to include into mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> that's why i was asking what is the letter they shall sign
+</I>
+So they are ok to grant to anybody the right to redistribute it ?
+We have no way to enforce anything on mirrors, so if they change their
+distribution condition, this should be for everybody.
+
+And therefor, if done for everybody, this should be on their website.
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+So as long as the condition on the website forbid us to distribute it
+without restriction, this will not be on mirrors.
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+&gt;<i> andre999 skrev 27.7.2011 05:27:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; David W. Hodgins a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:11:44 -0400, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dlucio at okay.com.mx</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 16:16:07 vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Le Tuesday 26 July 2011 23:13:49 Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 20:02:34, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; well, i did ask this once in mandriva, now in mageia. I've
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; sucessfully
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; packed in RPM sawmill (www.sawmill.net) software.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Yes, i will arrange this and communicate with counsill if i got a yes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I got a YES
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; They understand the mirrors currently have no way of blocking residents of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea or any other country to which the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; United
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; States embargoes goods, or (ii) to the Bosnian Serbs from downloading and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; installing the package?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's a provision of the U.S. govt, (followed by the canadian and many other
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; govts), which means that mirrors can't be located in such countries. But there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is nothing to stop residents of those countries from downloading the software,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; except censorship by various govts. (Which does happen.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A mirror is not initiating the transfer, and likely has no idea of the real
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; source of the download request.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which means that _if_ we provide it, it has to go into tainted repo, as
+</I>&gt;<i> it's restricted by it's license.
+</I>
+The license just partially reflect the existing export restriction of
+the State Departement of the USAs.
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+As this apply to every exportation ( at least, RH take it seriously, as
+well as almost every commercial developers that hired a lawyer to redact
+their EULA ), and that mean for example java-1.6.0-sun rpm, should we
+move it to tainted, along with firefox ( mozilla foundation is US based
+), chromium ( google is US based ), and various RH softwares ( such as
+system-config-printer ), or Novell one ( such as mono ) ?
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+&gt;<i> The license just partially reflect the existing export restriction of
+</I>&gt;<i> the State Departement of the USAs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As this apply to every exportation ( at least, RH take it seriously, as
+</I>&gt;<i> well as almost every commercial developers that hired a lawyer to redact
+</I>&gt;<i> their EULA ), and that mean for example java-1.6.0-sun rpm, should we
+</I>&gt;<i> move it to tainted, along with firefox ( mozilla foundation is US based
+</I>&gt;<i> ), chromium ( google is US based ), and various RH softwares ( such as
+</I>&gt;<i> system-config-printer ), or Novell one ( such as mono ) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ( please note that the GPL has a dedicated section for that, see the
+</I>&gt;<i> point 8 of the license, so they are not non-free due to that )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Only GPL licensed software included in Main repository?
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+&gt;<i> &#22312; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:06:05 +0800, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The license just partially reflect the existing export restriction of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the State Departement of the USAs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As this apply to every exportation ( at least, RH take it seriously, as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; well as almost every commercial developers that hired a lawyer to redact
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their EULA ), and that mean for example java-1.6.0-sun rpm, should we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; move it to tainted, along with firefox ( mozilla foundation is US based
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ), chromium ( google is US based ), and various RH softwares ( such as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; system-config-printer ), or Novell one ( such as mono ) ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( please note that the GPL has a dedicated section for that, see the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; point 8 of the license, so they are not non-free due to that )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Only GPL licensed software included in Main repository?
+</I>
+Main doesn't exist here, that's Core.
+And no, you can also have BSD licensed software or others free software
+license, according to the license policy.
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+&gt;<i> Are we going to define which kind of license is granted into Main?
+</I>
+We already did.
+--
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+<PRE>Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 19:38:30, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 18:42:05, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yet, the problem would also be there for regular non-version upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( ie, if we have foo-2-2.mga2 in cauldron and stable, and that we need
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to rebuild on stable and not on cauldron, we face the same problem ), so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; using 0 is a incomplete solution to the issue, and the only solution is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to rebuild in cauldron, and such problem should better be detected by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; youri.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Very good point, this is a decisive argument to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, the conclusion is that we should test ugprade rather than assuming
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that it will just work because we placed a 0 instead of a 1 somewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok for me provided we put in place the necessary processes to avoid upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> problems (Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence for example).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now, using 0 prevent us from having a simple way of seeing what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; prerelease we ship and that should be updated to latest stable ( as this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; seems to me quite desirable ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good point too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is also inconsistent with the practice we had of backporting from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cooker ( as the initial goal at Mandriva was to have 0 modifications
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from cooker to backports to reduce the load ). And if we ship something
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in update and in backports, we would have the same packages with 2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; different releases, and that doesn't seems a good idea.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Worse, the backport would be preferred to the update :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should have said all this right from the start rather than assuming
+</I>&gt;<i> that we would have all these elements in mind :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+I suggest we add this point to tonight's meeting topics and that a decision be
+taken then.
+
+Then we would adapt the updates policy and the current packages in
+updates_testing if the 0 release in updates is abandoned. We must also decide
+if we continue to use subrels or not (using them could avoid unneeded rebuilds
+in cauldron when there are packaging bugs in updates).
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+while investigating something almost unrelated I ran rpmlint on the
+whole distribution and noticed there is several problems that should not
+be there.
+
+So I propose to add the following warning in the list of error blocking
+upload :
+
+* non-standard-group
+
+This one cause problem in rpmdrake display ( among others ), as this add
+category with 1 single package. There is no false positives.
+
+
+* empty-%postun / empty-%post
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+While these do not do any harm, they are likely the sign of a package
+that was not properly cleaned. So by blocking upload, we ensure that's
+clean enough.
+
+* useless-provides
+
+that's when foo provide foo. There is no case where it would needed.
+
+* invalid-desktopfile
+
+rpmlint run desktop-file-validate, and any invalid file is detected.
+Invalid file will in the best case work fine, and in the worst case, not
+work. So better be safe and fix the file.
+
+There is also some more controversial :
+
+* file-not-in-%lang
+this will result in more disk space used for file that are not needed
+( like locales, etc ). However, this can be annoying to fix, and not a
+widespread errors.
+
+*
+
+while having foo.c~ or #.foo.c are not causing problem, this usually
+take space for nothing. But since the problem is often in upstream
+tarball, this can be tricky to fix.
+
+* version-control-internal-file
+same as previous, but there is maybe some use case, that should then be
+added to exception
+
+* standard-dir-owned-by-package
+some package ( like gromacs ) do created /usr/bin/. This is unclean and
+should be blocked. On the other hand, the problem are mostly theoric
+( like &quot;having a directory with 2 differents modes or owners ).
+
+* unknown-lsb-keyword
+as we use lsb in initscript ( and systemd support it ), I think this one
+could be quite important. For example :
+heartbeat.i586: W: unknown-lsb-keyword # Should-stop: openhpid
+
+This likely hide real bugs. I would also add :
+* missing-lsb-keyword
+* malformed-line-in-lsb-comment-block
+
+
+I also found some stuff that would cause real problem :
+hunspell-ca.noarch: W:
+world-writable /usr/share/doc/hunspell-ca/LICENSES-en.txt 0666
+
+Yet, there is maybe some good case to have a file to be world writable ?
+
+Or :
+hdf-java.i586: W: non-readable /usr/share/java/fits.jar 0700
+
+There is also some good case to have a file non-readable, but in /usr,
+there is none. ( and in this case, this seems like the package is broken
+)
+
+So, to summarize, the proposal is :
+- block upload on :
+* missing-lsb-keyword
+* malformed-line-in-lsb-comment-block
+* useless-provides
+* non-standard-group
+* empty-%postun
+* empty-%post
+* invalid-desktopfile
+* unknown-lsb-keyword
+* standard-dir-owned-by-package
+
+discuss for blocking :
+* backup-file-in-package
+* version-control-internal-file
+
+discuss and find a list of exceptions for :
+* world-writable
+* non-readable
+( especially the non-readable part ).
+
+If no one protest, the 1st list will be added before I take my vacation,
+in a few days.
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+&gt;<i> Name : python-cherrypy Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 3.2.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Wed Jul 27 12:17:18
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Development/Python Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 571015 License: BSD
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.cherrypy.org">http://www.cherrypy.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : A Python-based framework for web application development
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> A Python-based framework for web application development.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> CheryPy allows you to write and easyly deploy web applications, thanks
+</I>&gt;<i> to a bundled webserver. It features a automated way to map an url to a
+</I>&gt;<i> mathod, allowing you to describe your site as a python class.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> kharec &lt;kharec&gt; 3.2.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 129870
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 3.2.1
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix doc's packaging
+</I>
+The name in description is CheryPy with only one r and the package name is
+python-cherrypy ?
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 &#224; 13:37 +0200, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> *
+</I>
+of course, this one is backup-file-in-package
+
+&gt;<i> while having foo.c~ or #.foo.c are not causing problem, this usually
+</I>&gt;<i> take space for nothing. But since the problem is often in upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> tarball, this can be tricky to fix.
+</I>
+
+I also found some others :
+* bogus-variable-use-in-%posttrans
+ia_ora-gnome.i586: W: bogus-variable-use-in-%posttrans $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+
+this one is clearly a bug.
+
+* no-url-tag
+while not blocking, I see no good reason for that.
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+* non-standard-dir-in-usr
+inn.i586: W: non-standard-dir-in-usr com
+
+no really compliant with FHS, but on the other hand, inn seems complex
+to use and fix ...
+
+* self-obsoletion
+lots of package obsoletes themself ( or just one of their provides ).
+While the goal was to rename them, this should be done with proper
+versionning ( ie Obsoletes: foo &lt; X ), as some upstream have changed
+their mind, or some software can reuse the name. Most specs are just
+wrong on that point, and should be corrected. ( so in the 2nd list ).
+
+* use-tmp-in-%postun
+this one is likely a security problem. Look at ipxutils script to see
+what I mean.
+
+* statically-linked-binary
+While there is some case for static binary, this one is clearly wrong :
+
+statically-linked-binary /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/ibus-engine-pinyin.debug
+
+So I would add that one to the 3rd list of the previous mail.
+
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+* spurious-executable-perm
+file in %doc and manpages should not be executable. And so this errors
+( if I am not wrong ) should block upload. Yet I am not sure, so let's
+add to the 2nd list ( discuss and then act ).
+
+* update-menus-without-menu-file-in-%postun
+AFAIK, menu is deprecated in favor of freedesktop menu. So there is
+clearly something wrong ( from icewm-light )
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+&gt;<i> * useless-provides
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> that's when foo provide foo. There is no case where it would needed.
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+AFAIK there are many packages in the i586 repository that are called
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 &#224; 13:37 +0200, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> * no-url-tag
+</I>&gt;<i> while not blocking, I see no good reason for that.
+</I>
+Well, i do have a package that does NOT have an url tag, for the simple reason
+that i quickly wrote it myself, and there is no version control, no homepage,
+no nothing, i wouldn't even know what url i should put into it.
+
+preferably i would put this in some kind of version control, eg: a mageia git
+with a simple homepage, or maybe even a simple file release system.
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+I remember talking about this mageia &quot;foundry&quot; before mageia release, but of
+course, this is not one of the most important things to do imho...
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+&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 13.60-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 129876
+</I>&gt;<i> - any.pm:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o Add lxsession to the wm list, and add lxde-logout as the
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;ask_window_manager_to_logout command (mga#1395)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o share some kernel check's code for drakx-net (#1266)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;+ tmb &lt;tmb&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- fix version detection for naming of bootloader entries
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;* before: title 2 3.0.0-desktop-1.mga
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;* after: &#160;title desktop 3.0.0-1.mga2
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * useless-provides
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that's when foo provide foo. There is no case where it would needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> AFAIK there are many packages in the i586 repository that are called
+</I>&gt;<i> libfoo-devel and have a provides libfoo-devel. For x86-64 the packages
+</I>&gt;<i> are called lib64foo-devel so the rpmlint warning doesn't show up there.
+</I>
+Indeed.
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+Somewhat related:
+<A HREF="http://rpm.org/ticket/80">http://rpm.org/ticket/80</A>
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+&gt;<i> I also found some stuff that would cause real problem :
+</I>&gt;<i> hunspell-ca.noarch: W:
+</I>&gt;<i> world-writable /usr/share/doc/hunspell-ca/LICENSES-en.txt 0666
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yet, there is maybe some good case to have a file to be world writable ?
+</I>
+Maybe, but I'd guess not in /usr.
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * useless-provides
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that's when foo provide foo. There is no case where it would needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> AFAIK there are many packages in the i586 repository that are called
+</I>&gt;<i> libfoo-devel and have a provides libfoo-devel. For x86-64 the packages are
+</I>&gt;<i> called lib64foo-devel so the rpmlint warning doesn't show up there.
+</I>
+We have some choice :
+- declare that this is wrong
+- add a exception for *-devel on that error
+- add %ifarch in spec.
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+If we follow the policy that amhad proposed, the option 2 is the way to
+go.
+--
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+&gt;<i> * non-standard-group
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This one cause problem in rpmdrake display ( among others ), as this add
+</I>&gt;<i> category with 1 single package. There is no false positives.
+</I>
+That's actually a conf regression on our side, I think most packagers are used
+to such rejects for a couple years and nobody will complain
+
+&gt;<i> * invalid-desktopfile
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmlint run desktop-file-validate, and any invalid file is detected.
+</I>&gt;<i> Invalid file will in the best case work fine, and in the worst case, not
+</I>&gt;<i> work. So better be safe and fix the file.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is also some more controversial :
+</I>
+I think this one got enabled at one stage on mdv
+
+&gt;<i> * file-not-in-%lang
+</I>&gt;<i> this will result in more disk space used for file that are not needed
+</I>&gt;<i> ( like locales, etc ). However, this can be annoying to fix, and not a
+</I>&gt;<i> widespread errors.
+</I>
+This is borderline.
+Not a real blocking issue IMGO
+
+&gt;<i> * version-control-internal-file
+</I>&gt;<i> same as previous, but there is maybe some use case, that should then be
+</I>&gt;<i> added to exception
+</I>
+idem
+
+&gt;<i> * standard-dir-owned-by-package
+</I>&gt;<i> some package ( like gromacs ) do created /usr/bin/. This is unclean and
+</I>&gt;<i> should be blocked. On the other hand, the problem are mostly theoric
+</I>&gt;<i> ( like &quot;having a directory with 2 differents modes or owners ).
+</I>
+&gt;<i> I also found some stuff that would cause real problem :
+</I>&gt;<i> hunspell-ca.noarch: W:
+</I>&gt;<i> world-writable /usr/share/doc/hunspell-ca/LICENSES-en.txt 0666
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yet, there is maybe some good case to have a file to be world writable ?
+</I>
+we can whitelist the good cases if any
+
+&gt;<i> Or :
+</I>&gt;<i> hdf-java.i586: W: non-readable /usr/share/java/fits.jar 0700
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is also some good case to have a file non-readable, but in /usr,
+</I>&gt;<i> there is none. ( and in this case, this seems like the package is broken
+</I>&gt;<i> )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, to summarize, the proposal is :
+</I>&gt;<i> - block upload on :
+</I>&gt;<i> * missing-lsb-keyword
+</I>&gt;<i> * malformed-line-in-lsb-comment-block
+</I>&gt;<i> * useless-provides
+</I>&gt;<i> * non-standard-group
+</I>&gt;<i> * empty-%postun
+</I>&gt;<i> * empty-%post
+</I>&gt;<i> * invalid-desktopfile
+</I>&gt;<i> * unknown-lsb-keyword
+</I>&gt;<i> * standard-dir-owned-by-package
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> discuss for blocking :
+</I>&gt;<i> * backup-file-in-package
+</I>&gt;<i> * version-control-internal-file
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> discuss and find a list of exceptions for :
+</I>&gt;<i> * world-writable
+</I>&gt;<i> * non-readable
+</I>&gt;<i> ( especially the non-readable part ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If no one protest, the 1st list will be added before I take my vacation,
+</I>&gt;<i> in a few days.
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> I also found some others :
+</I>&gt;<i> * bogus-variable-use-in-%posttrans
+</I>&gt;<i> ia_ora-gnome.i586: W: bogus-variable-use-in-%posttrans $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this one is clearly a bug.
+</I>
+yes but on the other hand, the intended action will work (or should at
+least), I don't
+expect this var to be expanded when rpm run such script.
+On the other side, it's very very fishy.
+so let's say OK
+
+&gt;<i> * no-url-tag
+</I>&gt;<i> while not blocking, I see no good reason for that.
+</I>
+Some packages have no more upstream....
+
+&gt;<i> * spurious-executable-perm
+</I>&gt;<i> file in %doc and manpages should not be executable. And so this errors
+</I>&gt;<i> ( if I am not wrong ) should block upload. Yet I am not sure, so let's
+</I>&gt;<i> add to the 2nd list ( discuss and then act ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * update-menus-without-menu-file-in-%postun
+</I>&gt;<i> AFAIK, menu is deprecated in favor of freedesktop menu. So there is
+</I>&gt;<i> clearly something wrong ( from icewm-light )
+</I>
+Maybe should we blacklist packages still having old menu entries instead?
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 &#224; 15:29 +0200, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 27 July 2011 13:37, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * non-standard-group
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This one cause problem in rpmdrake display ( among others ), as this add
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; category with 1 single package. There is no false positives.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's actually a conf regression on our side, I think most packagers are used
+</I>&gt;<i> to such rejects for a couple years and nobody will complain
+</I>
+In fact, it was already enabled and not checked. I fixed it this morning
+( and blocked -debug upload by errors ).
+
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+&gt;<i> &gt; * version-control-internal-file
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; same as previous, but there is maybe some use case, that should then be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; added to exception
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> idem
+</I>
+Well, that's not blocking until someone ship a complete svn checkout and
+the package become twice the size :)
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+&gt;<i> Op woensdag 27 juli 2011 14:10:06 schreef Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 &#224; 13:37 +0200, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * no-url-tag
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> while not blocking, I see no good reason for that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, i do have a package that does NOT have an url tag, for the simple reason
+</I>&gt;<i> that i quickly wrote it myself, and there is no version control, no homepage,
+</I>&gt;<i> no nothing, i wouldn't even know what url i should put into it.
+</I>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 12:52:04, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 19:38:30, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 18:42:05, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [snip]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Yet, the problem would also be there for regular non-version upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; ( ie, if we have foo-2-2.mga2 in cauldron and stable, and that we need
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; to rebuild on stable and not on cauldron, we face the same problem ),
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; so using 0 is a incomplete solution to the issue, and the only
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; solution is to rebuild in cauldron, and such problem should better be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; detected by youri.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Very good point, this is a decisive argument to me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So, the conclusion is that we should test ugprade rather than assuming
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; that it will just work because we placed a 0 instead of a 1 somewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ok for me provided we put in place the necessary processes to avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; upgrade problems (Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence for example).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Now, using 0 prevent us from having a simple way of seeing what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; prerelease we ship and that should be updated to latest stable ( as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; this seems to me quite desirable ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Good point too.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; This is also inconsistent with the practice we had of backporting from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; cooker ( as the initial goal at Mandriva was to have 0 modifications
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; from cooker to backports to reduce the load ). And if we ship something
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; in update and in backports, we would have the same packages with 2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; different releases, and that doesn't seems a good idea.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Worse, the backport would be preferred to the update :/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You should have said all this right from the start rather than assuming
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that we would have all these elements in mind :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest we add this point to tonight's meeting topics and that a decision
+</I>&gt;<i> be taken then.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we would adapt the updates policy and the current packages in
+</I>&gt;<i> updates_testing if the 0 release in updates is abandoned. We must also
+</I>&gt;<i> decide if we continue to use subrels or not (using them could avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> unneeded rebuilds in cauldron when there are packaging bugs in updates).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+Ok, there will be no meeting tonight, so let's decide it on the ML. Was
+everyone convinced by misc's demonstration and do we agree to stop using the 0
+release for updates and activate the Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence check on
+submit to prevent higher releases in mageia n than in mageia n+1 ?
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+And if yes do we use subrels for subsequent modifications of packages that are
+proper to the mageia 1 branch ?
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+I vote yes for both questions.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, there will be no meeting tonight, so let's decide it on the ML. Was
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone convinced by misc's demonstration and do we agree to stop using the 0
+</I>&gt;<i> release for updates and activate the Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence check on
+</I>&gt;<i> submit to prevent higher releases in mageia n than in mageia n+1 ?
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+</I>&gt;<i> And if yes do we use subrels for subsequent modifications of packages that are
+</I>&gt;<i> proper to the mageia 1 branch ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I vote yes for both questions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>If it's documented in policy (better with examples) i'm OK with it. Without policy there
+will be nothing to follow.
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+&gt;<i> 27.07.2011 17:59, Samuel Verschelde kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ok, there will be no meeting tonight, so let's decide it on the ML. Was
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; everyone convinced by misc's demonstration and do we agree to stop using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the 0 release for updates and activate the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence check on submit to prevent higher
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; releases in mageia n than in mageia n+1 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And if yes do we use subrels for subsequent modifications of packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that are proper to the mageia 1 branch ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I vote yes for both questions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If it's documented in policy (better with examples) i'm OK with it. Without
+</I>&gt;<i> policy there will be nothing to follow.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Of course, once decided, it will be written :)
+
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> since both ennael and I are busy tonight, and since there is nothing
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op woensdag 27 juli 2011 14:10:06 schreef Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 &#224; 13:37 +0200, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; * no-url-tag
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; while not blocking, I see no good reason for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well, i do have a package that does NOT have an url tag, for the simple
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; reason that i quickly wrote it myself, and there is no version control,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; no homepage, no nothing, i wouldn't even know what url i should put into
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So create a page for it on the wiki and use that for the URL tag.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Christiaan
+</I>
+well, that sounds nice, but i still would like some policies about such
+software? what are the rules, do these packages have some kind of impact on
+mageia itself? also, clearly not every such software could/would be allowed?
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+and further more, an url should have a fixed page preferably, so, perhaps wait
+until the new wiki is there?
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+&gt;<i> On 27 July 2011 13:37, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; * file-not-in-%lang
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this will result in more disk space used for file that are not needed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( like locales, etc ). However, this can be annoying to fix, and not a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; widespread errors.
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+</I>&gt;<i> This is borderline.
+</I>&gt;<i> Not a real blocking issue IMGO
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+&gt;<i> Op woensdag 27 juli 2011 15:50:58 schreef Christiaan Welvaart:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wed, 27 Jul 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Op woensdag 27 juli 2011 14:10:06 schreef Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 &#224; 13:37 +0200, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; * no-url-tag
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; while not blocking, I see no good reason for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Well, i do have a package that does NOT have an url tag, for the simple
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; reason that i quickly wrote it myself, and there is no version control,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; no homepage, no nothing, i wouldn't even know what url i should put into
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So create a page for it on the wiki and use that for the URL tag.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Christiaan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> well, that sounds nice, but i still would like some policies about such
+</I>&gt;<i> software? what are the rules, do these packages have some kind of impact on
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia itself? also, clearly not every such software could/would be allowed?
+</I>
+Which software are you talking about ?
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 27 juli 2011 18:30:23 schreef nicolas vigier:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op woensdag 27 juli 2011 15:50:58 schreef Christiaan Welvaart:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Wed, 27 Jul 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Op woensdag 27 juli 2011 14:10:06 schreef Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 &#224; 13:37 +0200, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; * no-url-tag
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; while not blocking, I see no good reason for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Well, i do have a package that does NOT have an url tag, for the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; simple reason that i quickly wrote it myself, and there is no
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; version control, no homepage, no nothing, i wouldn't even know what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; url i should put into it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So create a page for it on the wiki and use that for the URL tag.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Christiaan
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; well, that sounds nice, but i still would like some policies about such
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; software? what are the rules, do these packages have some kind of impact
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on mageia itself? also, clearly not every such software could/would be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; allowed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which software are you talking about ?
+</I>
+any kind of software that has wiki pages on mageia for eg: url links (which is
+none atm; but then, that's the whole point of this discussion)
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+if i have packaged software (eg: plasma-applet-launchbutton ) which has no URL
+field, Christiaan Welvaart suggested to put a wiki page up and put that page in
+the URL field.
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+I just wonder if this is a good idea or not. i'm sure we don't want any type
+of software to be put on wiki and in URL fields of packages.
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 16:59:37, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 12:52:04, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 19:38:30, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 18:42:05, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; [snip]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Yet, the problem would also be there for regular non-version upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; ( ie, if we have foo-2-2.mga2 in cauldron and stable, and that we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; need to rebuild on stable and not on cauldron, we face the same
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; problem ), so using 0 is a incomplete solution to the issue, and the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; only solution is to rebuild in cauldron, and such problem should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; better be detected by youri.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Very good point, this is a decisive argument to me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; So, the conclusion is that we should test ugprade rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; assuming that it will just work because we placed a 0 instead of a 1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; somewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Ok for me provided we put in place the necessary processes to avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; upgrade problems (Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence for example).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Now, using 0 prevent us from having a simple way of seeing what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; prerelease we ship and that should be updated to latest stable ( as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; this seems to me quite desirable ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Good point too.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; This is also inconsistent with the practice we had of backporting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; from cooker ( as the initial goal at Mandriva was to have 0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; modifications from cooker to backports to reduce the load ). And if
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; we ship something in update and in backports, we would have the same
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; packages with 2 different releases, and that doesn't seems a good
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; idea.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Worse, the backport would be preferred to the update :/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; You should have said all this right from the start rather than assuming
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; that we would have all these elements in mind :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I suggest we add this point to tonight's meeting topics and that a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; decision be taken then.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Then we would adapt the updates policy and the current packages in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updates_testing if the 0 release in updates is abandoned. We must also
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; decide if we continue to use subrels or not (using them could avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; unneeded rebuilds in cauldron when there are packaging bugs in updates).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, there will be no meeting tonight, so let's decide it on the ML. Was
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone convinced by misc's demonstration and do we agree to stop using
+</I>&gt;<i> the 0 release for updates and activate the Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence
+</I>&gt;<i> check on submit to prevent higher releases in mageia n than in mageia n+1
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And if yes do we use subrels for subsequent modifications of packages that
+</I>&gt;<i> are proper to the mageia 1 branch ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I vote yes for both questions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+Just to make things clear, contrarily as what was said in some of the previous
+mails, I was told on IRC by misc and dmorgan that we should always use subrels
+for updates.
+
+So this means that, when pushing foo-2-1.mga2 from cauldron to 1/updates, it
+will become foo-2-1.1.mga1 and not foo-2-1.mga1
+
+It means also that you will have to bump the release in cauldron in order to
+be allowed to submit the update, in that case. But as misc said, it should not
+happen very often :
+- providing new versions as updates should remain an exception per updates
+policy
+- if the package in cauldron already has a release &gt; 1, no need to bump it
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+Hope it's clear.
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+&gt;<i> Op woensdag 27 juli 2011 16:37:42 schreef Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> since both ennael and I are busy tonight, and since there is nothing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> really really urgent to announce ( at least, nothing that couldn't be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> discussed or dispatched on the ml ), I propose to postpone the meeting.
+</I>&gt;<i> that's fine by me, but i would still like to get a move on with backports, do
+</I>&gt;<i> we just OK stormi's proposal, or does this have to be decided by team leaders?
+</I>There is also problem with the current handling of backports_testing.
+AFAIK backports are submitted from 1/updates which doesn't make sense.
+There should be 1/backports and mgarepo shouldn't accepts 1/updates for
+backports. Or if 1/backports is too much asked then backports should be
+submitted from cauldron.
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+Correct me if i'm wrong..
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+&gt;<i> Name : jgraph Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 5.12.2.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Thu Jul 28 02:19:20 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Development/Java Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 905852 License: LGPL
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team&lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.jgraph.com/jgraph.html">http://www.jgraph.com/jgraph.html</A>
+</I>
+Is this really the good url ?
+Because the soft of this url has tarballs named jgraphx (it's the one I
+use for jgraphx package)
+and the last version is 1.7.1.3 not 5.12.2.1.
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 22:52:00, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 16:59:37, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 12:52:04, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 19:38:30, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 18:42:05, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; [snip]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Yet, the problem would also be there for regular non-version
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; upgrade ( ie, if we have foo-2-2.mga2 in cauldron and stable, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; that we need to rebuild on stable and not on cauldron, we face the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; same problem ), so using 0 is a incomplete solution to the issue,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and the only solution is to rebuild in cauldron, and such problem
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; should better be detected by youri.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Very good point, this is a decisive argument to me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; So, the conclusion is that we should test ugprade rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; assuming that it will just work because we placed a 0 instead of a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 1 somewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok for me provided we put in place the necessary processes to avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; upgrade problems (Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence for example).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Now, using 0 prevent us from having a simple way of seeing what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; prerelease we ship and that should be updated to latest stable ( as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; this seems to me quite desirable ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Good point too.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; This is also inconsistent with the practice we had of backporting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; from cooker ( as the initial goal at Mandriva was to have 0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; modifications from cooker to backports to reduce the load ). And if
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; we ship something in update and in backports, we would have the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; same packages with 2 different releases, and that doesn't seems a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; good idea.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Worse, the backport would be preferred to the update :/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; You should have said all this right from the start rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; assuming that we would have all these elements in mind :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I suggest we add this point to tonight's meeting topics and that a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; decision be taken then.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Then we would adapt the updates policy and the current packages in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; updates_testing if the 0 release in updates is abandoned. We must also
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; decide if we continue to use subrels or not (using them could avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; unneeded rebuilds in cauldron when there are packaging bugs in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; updates).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ok, there will be no meeting tonight, so let's decide it on the ML. Was
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; everyone convinced by misc's demonstration and do we agree to stop using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the 0 release for updates and activate the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence check on submit to prevent higher
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; releases in mageia n than in mageia n+1 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And if yes do we use subrels for subsequent modifications of packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that are proper to the mageia 1 branch ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I vote yes for both questions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just to make things clear, contrarily as what was said in some of the
+</I>&gt;<i> previous mails, I was told on IRC by misc and dmorgan that we should
+</I>&gt;<i> always use subrels for updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So this means that, when pushing foo-2-1.mga2 from cauldron to 1/updates,
+</I>&gt;<i> it will become foo-2-1.1.mga1 and not foo-2-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It means also that you will have to bump the release in cauldron in order
+</I>&gt;<i> to be allowed to submit the update, in that case. But as misc said, it
+</I>&gt;<i> should not happen very often :
+</I>&gt;<i> - providing new versions as updates should remain an exception per updates
+</I>&gt;<i> policy
+</I>&gt;<i> - if the package in cauldron already has a release &gt; 1, no need to bump it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hope it's clear.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+We have updates blocked by this release 0 issue, so we need a quick decision.
+I propose that if tomorrow nobody reacted against the proposal, it will be
+adopted.
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 &#224; 12:11 +0200, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I used in in Mageia 1 using the package in updates_testing and it works well.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ok, it's moved to updates now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wasn't it against the policy ( ie, this is neither a bugfix, this is a
+</I>&gt;<i> version update, providing feature ) ?
+</I>
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+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy#version_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy#version_policy</A>
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+There is an exception for :
+ Software that is version-bound to an online service (games, virus
+ scanners?) and will only work with the latest version
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+&gt;<i> 27.07.2011 19:20, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op woensdag 27 juli 2011 16:37:42 schreef Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; since both ennael and I are busy tonight, and since there is nothing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; really really urgent to announce ( at least, nothing that couldn't be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; discussed or dispatched on the ml ), I propose to postpone the meeting.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that's fine by me, but i would still like to get a move on with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backports, do we just OK stormi's proposal, or does this have to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; decided by team leaders?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is also problem with the current handling of backports_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> AFAIK backports are submitted from 1/updates which doesn't make sense.
+</I>&gt;<i> There should be 1/backports and mgarepo shouldn't accepts 1/updates for
+</I>&gt;<i> backports. Or if 1/backports is too much asked then backports should be
+</I>&gt;<i> submitted from cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Correct me if i'm wrong..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>
+afaik, there are NO backports at all, there isn't even a backports SVN, (while
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+&gt;<i> We have updates blocked by this release 0 issue, so we need a quick decision.
+</I>&gt;<i> I propose that if tomorrow nobody reacted against the proposal, it will be
+</I>&gt;<i> adopted.
+</I>
+Personally, I would vote to keep it the way it is with the 0 releases.
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+I'm not convinced that any of the arguments represent real world problems.
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+<PRE>On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:54 AM, grenoya &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">grenoya at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 28/07/11 02:21, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: jgraph &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 5.12.2.1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 1.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Thu Jul 28
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 02:19:20 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Development/Java &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 905852 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; License: LGPL
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team&lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://www.jgraph.com/jgraph.html">http://www.jgraph.com/jgraph.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this really the good url ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Because the soft of this url has tarballs named jgraphx (it's the one I use
+</I>&gt;<i> for jgraphx package)
+</I>&gt;<i> and the last version is 1.7.1.3 not 5.12.2.1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> grenoya
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+gil do you have an idea about this question ?
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+I'm not sure what the problem is as I've not had time enough to debug
+properly.
+
+Booting with regular init or systemd, if you switch VT to text console
+and back again causes X to quit with a fatal error:
+
+[ 105.480] (II) AIGLX: Resuming AIGLX clients after VT switch
+[ 105.480] (WW) intel(0): drmSetMaster failed: Invalid argument
+[ 105.480] (EE) intel(0): failed to set mode: Permission denied
+[ 105.480]
+Fatal server error:
+[ 105.480] EnterVT failed for screen 0
+[ 105.480]
+[ 105.480]
+Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
+ at <A HREF="http://bugs.mageia.org">http://bugs.mageia.org</A>
+ for help.
+[ 105.480] Please also check the log file at &quot;/var/log/Xorg.0.log&quot; for
+additional information.
+[ 105.480]
+
+
+Now I'm not 100% sure but if I run:
+setfacl -m user:gdm:rw- /dev/dri/c*
+
+before switching back then X does not crash. This could just be a simple
+race condition - X trying to do fancy DRI stuff before console-kit has
+had the chance to change the active session and add the ACL accordingly,
+but some other input on this problem is welcome.
+
+
+Note: systemd doesn't seem to give me a console login - so this is only
+with regular init - I presume I need to add a symlink somewhere to get
+regular console logins with systemd :) I'll look into that later.
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
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+Since updates about 2 days ago, I've not been able to log in to gnome 3.
+gnome-shell does not start.
+
+I only noticed last night and did further updates which brought in new
+Mesa and a lot of KDE stuff.
+
+More updates today, but still no joy.
+
+The GDM login window takes a long time to appear (the GDM background
+appears quickly), and after entering my password, my user desktop
+appears but no actual shell.
+
+Anyone else see this?
+
+I couldn't see anything immediately useful in .xsession errors but will
+check again another time (likely not until tomorrow morning tho')
+
+Col
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
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+Not sure when this started happening but I presume it's a deliberate change.
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+When I login via text console while already running X11, and do: &quot;export
+DISPLAY=:0; xeyes&quot;, I expect to see some googly eyes on my desktop when
+I switch back.
+
+But this doesn't seem to work these days. Is there something I can do to
+make this work again? I suspect it's maybe related to not knowing the
+path to the X11 socket file or something?
+
+Either way, some hints from those more informed than me are appreciated!
+
+Col
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+
+This is weird... It's maybe due to some new gnome thing, but as I can't
+log in to gnome at present, I can't confirm. But if I start
+gnome-terminal under KDE (konsole seriously sucks - it's impossible to
+use screen with it for example as it doesn't update it's titles quickly
+enough to see how many screen windows you have), then the window is
+automatically resized... to about 3 lines high (same width). If I expand
+it again and open a new tab within the window, the window is again
+resized to ~3 lines high but it's also shrunk width wise too!!!
+
+Does anyone else see this? Is it a KDE compositing/window management
+thing or is gnome-terminal itself doing this strange thing (perhaps to
+fit in with gnome 3 stuff in some other ways?)
+
+Any thoughts appreciated!
+
+Col
+
+--
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+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since updates about 2 days ago, I've not been able to log in to gnome 3.
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-shell does not start.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I only noticed last night and did further updates which brought in new
+</I>&gt;<i> Mesa and a lot of KDE stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> More updates today, but still no joy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The GDM login window takes a long time to appear (the GDM background
+</I>&gt;<i> appears quickly), and after entering my password, my user desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> appears but no actual shell.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone else see this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I couldn't see anything immediately useful in .xsession errors but will
+</I>&gt;<i> check again another time (likely not until tomorrow morning tho')
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+hello,
+
+it seems a metacity issue from what we saw on irc with spturtle,
+guillomovitch and mikala.
+
+Fedora has this same version and no pb.
+
+I will try to reproduce and investigate today.
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+if someone has ideas please talk :)
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>Hello,
+
+&gt;<i> Since updates about 2 days ago, I've not been able to log in to gnome 3.
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-shell does not start.
+</I>It's related to the new metacity 2.34.0 (i did not pushed it initially
+because it was
+not working correctly localy when i tested it)
+
+&gt;<i> I only noticed last night and did further updates which brought in new
+</I>&gt;<i> Mesa and a lot of KDE stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> More updates today, but still no joy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The GDM login window takes a long time to appear (the GDM background
+</I>&gt;<i> appears quickly), and after entering my password, my user desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> appears but no actual shell.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone else see this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I couldn't see anything immediately useful in .xsession errors but will
+</I>&gt;<i> check again another time (likely not until tomorrow morning tho')
+</I>In fact it's just another problem with &#171; failed to register &#187; functionnality.
+The &#171; something goes wrong &#187; windows before is certainly related to that too :
+gnome-shell was already failing to register itself, &amp; now the same is
+happening with metacity.
+
+If i'm not wrong guillomovitch opened a bug report regarding this.
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+You can use kdm as workaround to launch your gnome3 session btw :)
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+&gt;<i> 2011/7/28 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since updates about 2 days ago, I've not been able to log in to gnome 3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-shell does not start.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's related to the new metacity 2.34.0 (i did not pushed it initially
+</I>&gt;<i> because it was
+</I>&gt;<i> not working correctly localy when i tested it)
+</I>
+worked for me for weeks
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I only noticed last night and did further updates which brought in new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mesa and a lot of KDE stuff.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> More updates today, but still no joy.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The GDM login window takes a long time to appear (the GDM background
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> appears quickly), and after entering my password, my user desktop
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> appears but no actual shell.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyone else see this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I couldn't see anything immediately useful in .xsession errors but will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> check again another time (likely not until tomorrow morning tho')
+</I>&gt;<i> In fact it's just another problem with &#171; failed to register &#187; functionnality.
+</I>&gt;<i> The &#171; something goes wrong &#187; windows before is certainly related to that too :
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-shell was already failing to register itself, &amp; now the same is
+</I>&gt;<i> happening with metacity.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If i'm not wrong guillomovitch opened a bug report regarding this.
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Samuel Verschelde at 28/07/11 09:08 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We have updates blocked by this release 0 issue, so we need a quick
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; decision. I propose that if tomorrow nobody reacted against the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; proposal, it will be adopted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally, I would vote to keep it the way it is with the 0 releases.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not convinced that any of the arguments represent real world problems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+Here is a question I got yesterday, which the proposal solves, but that's not
+a very common issue and maybe the 0 releases way works with it too :
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+If we had imported it before mageia 1 was released, we would have had
+cultivation-9-0.20071217.6.mga1 in mageia 1 (a pre-release).
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+Then suppose we want to update it to the final 9 release in both cauldron and
+mageia 1 : we have cultivation-9-1.mga1 in cauldron. But what release should
+we use in updates for mageia 1 ?
+
+cultivation-9-0.1.mga1 doesn't work because cultivation-9-0.1.mga1 &lt;
+cultivation-9-0.20071217.6.mga1
+
+Is there a way to do it right with a 0 release ?
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+Best regards
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+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure when this started happening but I presume it's a deliberate change.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When I login via text console while already running X11, and do: &quot;export
+</I>&gt;<i> DISPLAY=:0; xeyes&quot;, I expect to see some googly eyes on my desktop when
+</I>&gt;<i> I switch back.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But this doesn't seem to work these days. Is there something I can do to
+</I>&gt;<i> make this work again? I suspect it's maybe related to not knowing the
+</I>&gt;<i> path to the X11 socket file or something?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Either way, some hints from those more informed than me are appreciated!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>If you're using gdm it does not seems to work since the new gdm
+(probably one month or more).
+Maybe it's related to the fact that gdm is now running under his own user.
+If still working with kdm here.
+
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+ <B>Christiaan Welvaart</B>
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+&gt;<i> Not sure when this started happening but I presume it's a deliberate change.
+</I>
+Same here, but it was &quot;a while ago&quot; (:
+
+&gt;<i> When I login via text console while already running X11, and do: &quot;export
+</I>&gt;<i> DISPLAY=:0; xeyes&quot;, I expect to see some googly eyes on my desktop when
+</I>&gt;<i> I switch back.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But this doesn't seem to work these days. Is there something I can do to
+</I>&gt;<i> make this work again? I suspect it's maybe related to not knowing the
+</I>&gt;<i> path to the X11 socket file or something?
+</I>
+You also need to set XAUTHORITY - I usually get its value from
+/proc/$pid/environ for an already running process (like gnome-session).
+But the value is something like /var/run/gdm/auth-for-$user-$X/database .
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+&gt;<i> Note: systemd doesn't seem to give me a console login - so this is only
+</I>&gt;<i> with regular init - I presume I need to add a symlink somewhere to get
+</I>&gt;<i> regular console logins with systemd :) I'll look into that later.
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+In my VM with systemd, gettys for VC2 and higher are started on demand
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 00:30:41, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $ mgarepo maintdb --help
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Usage:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Take maintainership of one package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; See who is maintainer of a package :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo maintdb get [package]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; See the list of all packages with their maintainer :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mgarepo maintdb get
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried on mga 1 :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mgarepo maintdb get rtmpdump
+</I>&gt;<i> sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
+</I>&gt;<i> error: command failed: ssh pkgsubmit.mageia.org /usr/local/bin/wrapper.maintdb
+</I>&gt;<i> get rtmpdump
+</I>
+This only works for full maintainers. But content of maintdb is also
+available at this URL :
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 28/07/11 13:38 did gyre and
+gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note: systemd doesn't seem to give me a console login - so this is only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with regular init - I presume I need to add a symlink somewhere to get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regular console logins with systemd :) I'll look into that later.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In my VM with systemd, gettys for VC2 and higher are started on demand
+</I>&gt;<i> (after switching to that virtual console) but nothing happens on VC1.
+</I>
+Interesting. I don't have them on any VT... but I'll look into it and
+this is likely a good hint!
+
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+<PRE>on Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:20
+in the Usenet newsgroup gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+Samuel Verschelde wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 07:56:36, blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:34
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the Usenet newsgroup gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; *** Old backports ***
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Remove old backports when newer ones are submitted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - otherwise we let people use old bugged or plagged with security issues
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; packages, when they don't necessarily know that there are problems with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; them - simpler choice : users have to choose between the version in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; updates and the one in backports, not more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - less space on mirrors (fear wesnoth and vegastrike multiple backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; !)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Thank you for reading.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Best regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is theoretically possible that there could be multiple versions with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bug fixes and feature enhancements with no known security problems in any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of them. FireFox appears to be almost going down that path. I think
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that FF 5 is just FF 4.0.3 with a silly name - please correct me if I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrong - and 5 should obsolete 4. But I can imagine several versions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> existing during the life of a LTS release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The deletion criteria should be, &quot;there is a vulnerability that that is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not going to be fixed&quot;. That is usually, but not always the same as,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;there is a new version&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you going to check every existing backport for vulnerabilities so that we
+</I>&gt;<i> can choose which versions to delete ?
+</I>
+No. It it requires work, that is a good reason for not doing it.
+
+I was assuming that the packager for XYZ would be on a mailing list and
+when an email arrived that said version 7 need work, then remove it.
+
+&gt;<i> If not, I don't think this is realistic
+</I>&gt;<i> to support 5 versions of the same package at the same time. Let's go with the
+</I>&gt;<i> simpler approach.
+</I>
+If things don't work like I imagined, sorry for the noise.
+
+Simple and trustworthy is better than complex and untrustworthy.
+
+&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+--
+Sig goes here...
+blind Pete
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+&gt;<i> Am 18.07.2011 20:43, schrieb Oliver Burger:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I didn't look closely enough.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The handbrake make file downloads several archives including the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> license critical faac, while compiling. So this package should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> removed from Cauldron. Florian Hunold (aka doktor5000) told me, he's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on it together with Ansi to make it build cleanly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So please remove the existing handbrake from Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ping? Somebody please remove it from mirrors.
+</I>
+Removed.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Samuel Verschelde at 28/07/11 13:11 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 28 juillet 2011 13:02:26, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Samuel Verschelde at 28/07/11 09:08 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We have updates blocked by this release 0 issue, so we need a quick
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> decision. I propose that if tomorrow nobody reacted against the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proposal, it will be adopted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Personally, I would vote to keep it the way it is with the 0 releases.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not convinced that any of the arguments represent real world problems.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is a question I got yesterday, which the proposal solves, but that's not
+</I>&gt;<i> a very common issue and maybe the 0 releases way works with it too :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we had imported it before mageia 1 was released, we would have had
+</I>&gt;<i> cultivation-9-0.20071217.6.mga1 in mageia 1 (a pre-release).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then suppose we want to update it to the final 9 release in both cauldron and
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia 1 : we have cultivation-9-1.mga1 in cauldron. But what release should
+</I>&gt;<i> we use in updates for mageia 1 ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cultivation-9-0.1.mga1 doesn't work because cultivation-9-0.1.mga1 &lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> cultivation-9-0.20071217.6.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there a way to do it right with a 0 release ?
+</I>
+Yeah, I concede that this particular scenario would cause problems :s
+
+Fair point, well made :D
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not sure when this started happening but I presume it's a deliberate
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> change.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Same here, but it was &quot;a while ago&quot; (:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When I login via text console while already running X11, and do: &quot;export
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> DISPLAY=:0; xeyes&quot;, I expect to see some googly eyes on my desktop when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I switch back.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But this doesn't seem to work these days. Is there something I can do to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make this work again? I suspect it's maybe related to not knowing the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> path to the X11 socket file or something?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You also need to set XAUTHORITY - I usually get its value from
+</I>&gt;<i> /proc/$pid/environ for an already running process (like gnome-session).
+</I>&gt;<i> But the value is something like /var/run/gdm/auth-for-$user-$X/database .
+</I>
+Cool, that works fine :)
+
+Probably worth writing a little script to do that parsing for me as I'll
+no doubt forget in time...
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+--
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 29 juillet 2011 10:25:02, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Samuel Verschelde at 28/07/11 13:11 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi 28 juillet 2011 13:02:26, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Samuel Verschelde at 28/07/11 09:08 did gyre and
+</I>gimble:
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; We have updates blocked by this release 0 issue, so we need a quick
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; decision. I propose that if tomorrow nobody reacted against the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; proposal, it will be adopted.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Personally, I would vote to keep it the way it is with the 0 releases.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm not convinced that any of the arguments represent real world
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; problems.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Col
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Here is a question I got yesterday, which the proposal solves, but that's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not a very common issue and maybe the 0 releases way works with it too :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If we had imported it before mageia 1 was released, we would have had
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cultivation-9-0.20071217.6.mga1 in mageia 1 (a pre-release).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Then suppose we want to update it to the final 9 release in both cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and mageia 1 : we have cultivation-9-1.mga1 in cauldron. But what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; release should we use in updates for mageia 1 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cultivation-9-0.1.mga1 doesn't work because cultivation-9-0.1.mga1 &lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cultivation-9-0.20071217.6.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is there a way to do it right with a 0 release ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, I concede that this particular scenario would cause problems :s
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fair point, well made :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+Does it mean that you agree with the proposal ? Not that I badly want it to be
+adopted, but I really would like to unlock the current updates in the pipe :)
+
+Samuel
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Samuel Verschelde at 29/07/11 09:32 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 29 juillet 2011 10:25:02, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Samuel Verschelde at 28/07/11 13:11 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le jeudi 28 juillet 2011 13:02:26, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Samuel Verschelde at 28/07/11 09:08 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We have updates blocked by this release 0 issue, so we need a quick
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> decision. I propose that if tomorrow nobody reacted against the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proposal, it will be adopted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Personally, I would vote to keep it the way it is with the 0 releases.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not convinced that any of the arguments represent real world
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> problems.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Here is a question I got yesterday, which the proposal solves, but that's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not a very common issue and maybe the 0 releases way works with it too :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we had imported it before mageia 1 was released, we would have had
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cultivation-9-0.20071217.6.mga1 in mageia 1 (a pre-release).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Then suppose we want to update it to the final 9 release in both cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and mageia 1 : we have cultivation-9-1.mga1 in cauldron. But what
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> release should we use in updates for mageia 1 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cultivation-9-0.1.mga1 doesn't work because cultivation-9-0.1.mga1 &lt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cultivation-9-0.20071217.6.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is there a way to do it right with a 0 release ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah, I concede that this particular scenario would cause problems :s
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Fair point, well made :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does it mean that you agree with the proposal ? Not that I badly want it to be
+</I>&gt;<i> adopted, but I really would like to unlock the current updates in the pipe :)
+</I>
+If it helps speed the process, then sure, I will add my official support
+for an amendment to the policy as per misc's original mail (I don't
+think my opinion carries that much weight tho'! :p)
+
+Col
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 28/07/11 12:37 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hmmm,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is weird... It's maybe due to some new gnome thing, but as I can't
+</I>&gt;<i> log in to gnome at present, I can't confirm. But if I start
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-terminal under KDE (konsole seriously sucks - it's impossible to
+</I>&gt;<i> use screen with it for example as it doesn't update it's titles quickly
+</I>&gt;<i> enough to see how many screen windows you have), then the window is
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically resized... to about 3 lines high (same width). If I expand
+</I>&gt;<i> it again and open a new tab within the window, the window is again
+</I>&gt;<i> resized to ~3 lines high but it's also shrunk width wise too!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does anyone else see this? Is it a KDE compositing/window management
+</I>&gt;<i> thing or is gnome-terminal itself doing this strange thing (perhaps to
+</I>&gt;<i> fit in with gnome 3 stuff in some other ways?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any thoughts appreciated!
+</I>
+Seems I am not alone:
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=670173">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=670173</A>
+
+Col
+
+--
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+ <B>Jani V&#228;limaa</B>
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+<PRE>2011/7/27 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> On 21 July 2011 08:51, Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; IIRC, It's a known problem that if you obsolete noarch package it's only
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; removed from i586 repos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there a bug report in bugzilla?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sure, just filed one.. :)
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+<PRE>For a couple of days now:
+
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> ftg]# urpmi --auto-select --debug
+getting lock on urpmi
+parsing: /etc/urpmi/mediacfg.d/Devel-1-x86_64
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core Release/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core Release
+Debug/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core Updates/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree
+Release/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree Release
+Debug/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree
+Updates/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Tainted
+Release/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Tainted Release
+Debug/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit
+Release/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit Release
+Debug/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit
+Updates/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/plf-nonfree/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/plf-free/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+skipping package lib64freetype6-2.4.4-3plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package freetype2-demos-2.4.4-3plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package freetype2-demos-2.4.4-4plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package lib64freetype6-devel-2.4.4-4plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package lib64freetype6-devel-2.4.4-3plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package lib64freetype6-static-devel-2.4.4-4plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package lib64freetype6-2.4.4-4plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+skipping package lib64freetype6-static-devel-2.4.4-3plf-plf2011.0.x86_64
+getting exclusive lock on rpm
+opening rpmdb (root=, write=)
+auto-select: adding kde-l10n-en_US-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch replacing
+kde-l10n-en_US-4.6.95-1.mga2.noarch
+auto-select: adding kde-l10n-en_GB-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch replacing
+kde-l10n-en_GB-4.6.95-1.mga2.noarch
+auto-select: adding krfb-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+krfb-4.6.95-0.mga2.x86_64
+auto-select: adding gwenview-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+gwenview-4.6.95-0.mga2.x86_64
+auto-select: adding xinit-1.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+xinit-1.3.0-1.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding usbutils-003-1.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+usbutils-0.91-1.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding kipi-plugins-2.0.0-1.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+kipi-plugins-2.0.0-0.rc.2.mga2.x86_64
+auto-select: adding kde-l10n-es-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch replacing
+kde-l10n-es-4.6.95-1.mga2.noarch
+auto-select: adding task-kde4-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch replacing
+task-kde4-4.6.2-2.mga1.noarch
+auto-select: adding kdnssd-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+kdnssd-4.6.95-0.mga2.x86_64
+auto-select: adding db51-utils-5.1.25-5.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+db51-utils-5.1.19-6.mga1.x86_64
+auto-select: adding kde-l10n-fr-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch replacing
+kde-l10n-fr-4.6.95-1.mga2.noarch
+auto-select: adding kgamma-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+kgamma-4.6.95-0.mga2.x86_64
+auto-select: adding kcolorchooser-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64 replacing
+kcolorchooser-4.6.95-1.mga2.x86_64
+auto-select: adding kde-l10n-it-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch replacing
+kde-l10n-it-4.6.95-1.mga2.noarch
+auto-select: adding kde-l10n-de-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch replacing
+kde-l10n-de-4.6.95-1.mga2.noarch
+auto-select: adding task-kde4-minimal-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch replacing
+task-kde4-minimal-4.6.2-2.mga1.noarch
+selecting task-kde4-minimal-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch
+set_rejected: task-kde4-minimal-4.6.2-2.mga1.noarch
+requiring gwenview[&gt;= 2:4.7.0] for task-kde4-minimal-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch
+chosen gwenview-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64 for gwenview[&gt;= 2:4.7.0]
+selecting gwenview-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+set_rejected: gwenview-4.6.95-0.mga2.x86_64
+selecting kgamma-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+set_rejected: kgamma-4.6.95-0.mga2.x86_64
+selecting kcolorchooser-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+set_rejected: kcolorchooser-4.6.95-1.mga2.x86_64
+selecting kipi-plugins-2.0.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+set_rejected: kipi-plugins-2.0.0-0.rc.2.mga2.x86_64
+selecting xinit-1.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+set_rejected: xinit-1.3.0-1.mga1.x86_64
+selecting krfb-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+set_rejected: krfb-4.6.95-0.mga2.x86_64
+selecting kde-l10n-de-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch
+set_rejected: kde-l10n-de-4.6.95-1.mga2.noarch
+selecting kde-l10n-es-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch
+set_rejected: kde-l10n-es-4.6.95-1.mga2.noarch
+selecting usbutils-003-1.mga2.x86_64
+set_rejected: usbutils-0.91-1.mga1.x86_64
+selecting kde-l10n-fr-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch
+set_rejected: kde-l10n-fr-4.6.95-1.mga2.noarch
+selecting kde-l10n-en_US-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch
+set_rejected: kde-l10n-en_US-4.6.95-1.mga2.noarch
+selecting kdnssd-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+set_rejected: kdnssd-4.6.95-0.mga2.x86_64
+selecting kde-l10n-en_GB-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch
+set_rejected: kde-l10n-en_GB-4.6.95-1.mga2.noarch
+selecting kde-l10n-it-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch
+set_rejected: kde-l10n-it-4.6.95-1.mga2.noarch
+selecting task-kde4-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch
+set_rejected: task-kde4-4.6.2-2.mga1.noarch
+installed task-kde4-4.6.2-2.mga1.noarch is conflicting because of
+unsatisfied task-kde4-minimal[== 1:4.6.2-2.mga1]
+Argument &quot;15016|34263&quot; isn't numeric in array element at
+/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.14.0/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/URPM/Resolve.pm
+line 1266.
+promoting task-kde4-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch because of conflict above
+chosen task-kde4-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch for task-kde4|task-kde4
+installed lib64kipiplugins1-1.9.0-4.mga2.x86_64 is conflicting because
+of unsatisfied kipi-plugins[== 1:1.9.0-4.mga2]
+set_rejected: lib64kipiplugins1-1.9.0-4.mga2.x86_64
+requested mobipocket, kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer,
+kdegraphics-thumbnailers, svgpart, ksaneplugin suggested by
+task-kde4-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch
+selecting mobipocket-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+installed package kdegraphics4-core-4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64 is conflicting
+with mobipocket-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64 (Conflicts: kdegraphics4-core[&lt;
+2:4.6.90])
+set_rejected: kdegraphics4-core-4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64
+selecting ksaneplugin-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+requiring libksane for ksaneplugin-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+installed package kdegraphics4-core-4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64 is conflicting
+with ksaneplugin-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64 (Conflicts: kdegraphics4-core[&lt;
+2:4.6.90])
+selecting libksane-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+installed package kdegraphics4-core-4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64 is conflicting
+with libksane-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64 (Conflicts: kdegraphics4-core[&lt; 2:4.6.90])
+selecting kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+installed package kdegraphics4-core-4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64 is conflicting
+with kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64 (Conflicts:
+kdegraphics4-core[&lt; 2:4.6.90])
+selecting kdegraphics-thumbnailers-4.7.0-0.mga2.x86_64
+selecting svgpart-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+installed package kdegraphics4-core-4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64 is conflicting
+with svgpart-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64 (Conflicts: kdegraphics4-core[&lt; 2:4.6.90])
+opening rpmdb (root=, write=)
+The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded:
+kdegraphics4-core-4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64
+ (due to conflicts with svgpart-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64)
+lib64kipiplugins1-1.9.0-4.mga2.x86_64
+ (due to unsatisfied kipi-plugins == 1:1.9.0-4.mga2) (y/N)
+
+
+
+Using --keep:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> ftg]# urpmi --auto-select --keep
+Some requested packages cannot be installed:
+kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64 (in order to keep
+kdegraphics4-core-4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64)
+kipi-plugins-2.0.0-1.mga2.x86_64 (in order to keep
+lib64kipiplugins1-1.9.0-4.mga2.x86_64)
+ksaneplugin-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64 (in order to keep
+kdegraphics4-core-4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64)
+mobipocket-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64 (in order to keep
+kdegraphics4-core-4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64)
+svgpart-4.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64 (in order to keep
+kdegraphics4-core-4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64)
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
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+<PRE>installing task-kde4-minimal-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm
+kde-l10n-es-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm kde-l10n-fr-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm
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+kde-l10n-en_GB-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm
+kde-l10n-it-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm task-kde4-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm
+kde-l10n-de-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm from
+/mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release
+Installation failed: file /usr/lib64/kde4/gsthumbnail.so from install
+of kdegraphics-thumbnailers-2:4.7.0-0.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file
+from package kdegraphics4-core-2:4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/share/kde4/services/gsthumbnail.desktop from install
+of kdegraphics-thumbnailers-2:4.7.0-0.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file
+from package kdegraphics4-core-2:4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64
+ gwenview &gt;= 2:4.7.0 is needed by
+task-kde4-minimal-1:4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch
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+<PRE>Le Vendredi 29 Juillet 2011 09:47:58 Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> For a couple of days now:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> promoting task-kde4-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch because of conflict above
+</I>&gt;<i> chosen task-kde4-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch for task-kde4|task-kde4
+</I>&gt;<i> installed lib64kipiplugins1-1.9.0-4.mga2.x86_64 is conflicting because
+</I>&gt;<i> of unsatisfied kipi-plugins[== 1:1.9.0-4.mga2]
+</I>[...]
+kdegraphics4 has been splitted upstream with the 4.7 release.
+So you were probably not already up to date since kdegraphics4-core should
+have been removed since the update to 4.6.90
+So everything is ok here, you can safely removed kdegraphics4-core but also
+lib64kipiplugins1 (we're providing digikam 2.0.0 now)
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+<PRE>Le Vendredi 29 Juillet 2011 09:49:38 Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> installing task-kde4-minimal-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> kde-l10n-es-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm kde-l10n-fr-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> kde-l10n-en_US-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> kde-l10n-en_GB-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> kde-l10n-it-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm task-kde4-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> kde-l10n-de-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm from
+</I>&gt;<i> /mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed: file /usr/lib64/kde4/gsthumbnail.so from install
+</I>&gt;<i> of kdegraphics-thumbnailers-2:4.7.0-0.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file
+</I>&gt;<i> from package kdegraphics4-core-2:4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/share/kde4/services/gsthumbnail.desktop from install
+</I>&gt;<i> of kdegraphics-thumbnailers-2:4.7.0-0.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file
+</I>&gt;<i> from package kdegraphics4-core-2:4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> gwenview &gt;= 2:4.7.0 is needed by
+</I>&gt;<i> task-kde4-minimal-1:4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch
+</I>I'll fix this one.
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+&gt;<i> Le Vendredi 29 Juillet 2011 09:49:38 Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installing task-kde4-minimal-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kde-l10n-es-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm kde-l10n-fr-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kde-l10n-en_US-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kde-l10n-en_GB-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kde-l10n-it-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm task-kde4-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kde-l10n-de-4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /mnt/cooker/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed: file /usr/lib64/kde4/gsthumbnail.so from install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of kdegraphics-thumbnailers-2:4.7.0-0.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from package kdegraphics4-core-2:4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/share/kde4/services/gsthumbnail.desktop from install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of kdegraphics-thumbnailers-2:4.7.0-0.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from package kdegraphics4-core-2:4.6.4-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gwenview&gt;= 2:4.7.0 is needed by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> task-kde4-minimal-1:4.7.0-1.mga2.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll fix this one.
+</I>Allowing the deletion of kdegraphics4-core and lib64kipiplugins fixed
+this as well.
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'll fix this one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Allowing the deletion of kdegraphics4-core and lib64kipiplugins fixed
+</I>&gt;<i> this as well.
+</I>Well since we can't ensure of the transaction order the conflicts is still
+needed, so thanks for the report :)
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+&gt;<i> Note: systemd doesn't seem to give me a console login - so this is only
+</I>&gt;<i> with regular init - I presume I need to add a symlink somewhere to get
+</I>&gt;<i> regular console logins with systemd :) I'll look into that later.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Check if plymouth hasn't still exited 'ps aux | grep plymouth'.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+research we realize that samba has a helper that works, i was wondering if you
+can do a subpackage of that helper so the squid may do a suggests to that
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 22:52:00, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 16:59:37, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Ok, there will be no meeting tonight, so let's decide it on the ML. Was
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; everyone convinced by misc's demonstration and do we agree to stop
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; using the 0 release for updates and activate the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence check on submit to prevent higher
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; releases in mageia n than in mageia n+1 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; And if yes do we use subrels for subsequent modifications of packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; that are proper to the mageia 1 branch ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I vote yes for both questions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just to make things clear, contrarily as what was said in some of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; previous mails, I was told on IRC by misc and dmorgan that we should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; always use subrels for updates.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So this means that, when pushing foo-2-1.mga2 from cauldron to 1/updates,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it will become foo-2-1.1.mga1 and not foo-2-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It means also that you will have to bump the release in cauldron in order
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to be allowed to submit the update, in that case. But as misc said, it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; should not happen very often :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - providing new versions as updates should remain an exception per
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updates policy
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - if the package in cauldron already has a release &gt; 1, no need to bump
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hope it's clear.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have updates blocked by this release 0 issue, so we need a quick
+</I>&gt;<i> decision. I propose that if tomorrow nobody reacted against the proposal,
+</I>&gt;<i> it will be adopted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+As promised, I'm going to update the updates policy regarding release and to
+fix the release for updates currently staging in updates_testing when they need
+to.
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+<PRE>Le Vendredi 29 Juillet 2011 22:16:26 Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 28 juillet 2011 10:08:44, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 22:52:00, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 16:59:37, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok, there will be no meeting tonight, so let's decide it on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; ML. Was everyone convinced by misc's demonstration and do we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; agree to stop using the 0 release for updates and activate the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence check on submit to prevent
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; higher
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; releases in mageia n than in mageia n+1 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; And if yes do we use subrels for subsequent modifications of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; that are proper to the mageia 1 branch ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; I vote yes for both questions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Just to make things clear, contrarily as what was said in some of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; previous mails, I was told on IRC by misc and dmorgan that we should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; always use subrels for updates.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So this means that, when pushing foo-2-1.mga2 from cauldron to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1/updates, it will become foo-2-1.1.mga1 and not foo-2-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; It means also that you will have to bump the release in cauldron in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; order to be allowed to submit the update, in that case. But as misc
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; said, it should not happen very often :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - providing new versions as updates should remain an exception per
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; updates policy
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - if the package in cauldron already has a release &gt; 1, no need to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; bump
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hope it's clear.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We have updates blocked by this release 0 issue, so we need a quick
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; decision. I propose that if tomorrow nobody reacted against the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; proposal,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it will be adopted.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As promised, I'm going to update the updates policy regarding release and to
+</I>&gt;<i> fix the release for updates currently staging in updates_testing when they
+</I>&gt;<i> need to.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+Can you plaste the URL please?
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 29 juillet 2011 22:45:41, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le Vendredi 29 Juillet 2011 22:16:26 Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi 28 juillet 2011 10:08:44, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 22:52:00, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 16:59:37, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok, there will be no meeting tonight, so let's decide it on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ML. Was everyone convinced by misc's demonstration and do we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; agree to stop using the 0 release for updates and activate the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence check on submit to prevent
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; higher
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; releases in mageia n than in mageia n+1 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And if yes do we use subrels for subsequent modifications of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; that are proper to the mageia 1 branch ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I vote yes for both questions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Just to make things clear, contrarily as what was said in some of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; previous mails, I was told on IRC by misc and dmorgan that we should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; always use subrels for updates.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; So this means that, when pushing foo-2-1.mga2 from cauldron to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 1/updates, it will become foo-2-1.1.mga1 and not foo-2-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; It means also that you will have to bump the release in cauldron in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; order to be allowed to submit the update, in that case. But as misc
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; said, it should not happen very often :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; - providing new versions as updates should remain an exception per
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; updates policy
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; - if the package in cauldron already has a release &gt; 1, no need to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; bump
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Hope it's clear.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; We have updates blocked by this release 0 issue, so we need a quick
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; decision. I propose that if tomorrow nobody reacted against the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; proposal,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; it will be adopted.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As promised, I'm going to update the updates policy regarding release and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to fix the release for updates currently staging in updates_testing when
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; they need to.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you plaste the URL please?
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+
+Samuel
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+ <B>Micha&#322; Walenciak</B>
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+
+I've two PCs with the same RaLink 3062 WiFi card.
+Those cards are currently (since kernel 2.6.38 or 37) supported by kernel
+(modules marked as stable).
+
+The problem is that on one of the computers I've debian testing with 2.6.39
+kernel and it automatically loads proper modules and WiFi card works, and on
+Mageia PC nothing happens.
+
+I tried both 2.6.38 and 3.0.0 kernels (on Mageia) and:
+* no module is loaded automatically
+* even if I load proper module manually, nothing happens (module seems to be
+somehow not related to proper device)
+
+some info:
+lspci -v
+
+debian:
+05:03.0 Network controller: RaLink Device 3062
+ Subsystem: RaLink Device 3062
+ Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 32, IRQ 17
+ Memory at dfce0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
+ Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
+ Kernel driver in use: rt2800pci
+
+mageia:
+05:00.0 Network controller: RaLink Device 3062
+ Subsystem: RaLink Device 3062
+ Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 32, IRQ 10
+ Memory at fa100000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
+ Capabilities: &lt;access denied&gt;
+
+
+modules
+
+mageia: (after modprobe rt2800pci)
+lsmod | grep rt2
+rt2800pci 18476 0
+rt2800lib 53777 1 rt2800pci
+crc_ccitt 12667 1 rt2800lib
+rt2x00pci 14477 1 rt2800pci
+rt2x00lib 49476 3 rt2800pci,rt2800lib,rt2x00pci
+mac80211 240860 3 rt2800lib,rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib
+cfg80211 187537 2 rt2x00lib,mac80211
+eeprom_93cx6 12725 1 rt2800pci
+
+
+debian:
+lsmod |grep rt2
+rt2800pci 17800 0
+rt2800lib 43106 1 rt2800pci
+crc_ccitt 12347 1 rt2800lib
+rt2x00pci 12779 1 rt2800pci
+rt2x00lib 37704 3 rt2800pci,rt2800lib,rt2x00pci
+mac80211 181270 3 rt2800lib,rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib
+cfg80211 126244 2 rt2x00lib,mac80211
+eeprom_93cx6 12455 1 rt2800pci
+
+
+iwconfig
+
+debian:
+lo no wireless extensions.
+
+eth1 no wireless extensions.
+
+eth0 no wireless extensions.
+
+wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn ....
+
+
+mageia:
+lo no wireless extensions.
+
+eth0 no wireless extensions.
+
+
+any ideas what can be wrong (maybe blocked somewhere?) ?
+I'm using Mageia 1, but for tests I've installed kernel 3.0.0 from Cauldron
+
+Best regards
+
+--
+Micha&#322; Walenciak
+gmail.com kicer86
+<A HREF="http://kicer.sileman.net.pl">http://kicer.sileman.net.pl</A>
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+ <B>Marcello Anni</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've two PCs with the same RaLink 3062 WiFi card.
+</I>&gt;<i> Those cards are currently (since kernel 2.6.38 or 37) supported by kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> (modules marked as stable).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem is that on one of the computers I've debian testing with 2.6.39
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel and it automatically loads proper modules and WiFi card works, and on
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia PC nothing happens.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>an italian user with Ralink n11 1440 suffers from the same kind of problem... i
+think there is an issue in supporting ralink wireless adaptors:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.mageiaitalia.org/forum/driver/ralink-n11-1440-chiavetta-wireless-">http://www.mageiaitalia.org/forum/driver/ralink-n11-1440-chiavetta-wireless-</A>
+mageja-non-funziona
+
+can anyone investigate? thanks
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
+</PRE>
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+&gt;<i> I've two PCs with the same RaLink 3062 WiFi card.
+</I>&gt;<i> Those cards are currently (since kernel 2.6.38 or 37) supported by kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> (modules marked as stable).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem is that on one of the computers I've debian testing with 2.6.39
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel and it automatically loads proper modules and WiFi card works, and on
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia PC nothing happens.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried both 2.6.38 and 3.0.0 kernels (on Mageia) and:
+</I>&gt;<i> * no module is loaded automatically
+</I>&gt;<i> * even if I load proper module manually, nothing happens (module seems to be
+</I>&gt;<i> somehow not related to proper device)
+</I>
+Check dmesg for info, especially an error msg about a firmware file. You
+may need one of the following packages from the nonfree section:
+rt2860-firmware
+rt2870-firmware
+rt3090-firmware
+rt61-firmware
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 29/07/11 19:21 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 28 July 2011 13:25, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note: systemd doesn't seem to give me a console login - so this is only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with regular init - I presume I need to add a symlink somewhere to get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regular console logins with systemd :) I'll look into that later.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Check if plymouth hasn't still exited 'ps aux | grep plymouth'.
+</I>
+That seems to be the issue. Killing that process allows systemd to give
+me my logins.
+
+I presume this a known bug/problem? Is anyone looking at it?
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+ Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 29/07/11 19:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 28 July 2011 13:25, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Note: systemd doesn't seem to give me a console login - so this is only
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with regular init - I presume I need to add a symlink somewhere to get
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> regular console logins with systemd :) I'll look into that later.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Check if plymouth hasn't still exited 'ps aux | grep plymouth'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That seems to be the issue. Killing that process allows systemd to give
+</I>&gt;<i> me my logins.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I presume this a known bug/problem? Is anyone looking at it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I hit that issue when I switched to systemd, I didn't look further as
+I killed plymouth on my box (as usual).
+
+&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Dnia Saturday 30 of July 2011 o 12:57:19 Christiaan Welvaart napisa&#322;(a):
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Check dmesg for info, especially an error msg about a firmware file. You
+</I>&gt;<i> may need one of the following packages from the nonfree section:
+</I>&gt;<i> rt2860-firmware
+</I>&gt;<i> rt2870-firmware
+</I>&gt;<i> rt3090-firmware
+</I>&gt;<i> rt61-firmware
+</I>&gt;<i> rt73-firmware
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-firmware-extra (for rt3070.bin and rt3071.bin)
+</I>
+no use, I already have rt3090-firmware installed (for test I installed all of
+them). I was testing those drivers in 2.6.36 (or 35) when they were
+experimental. And those days it was workig.
+I had my own (compiled by myself) kernel however.
+
+regards
+
+--
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+gmail.com kicer86
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 30 juin 2011 22:32:45, Vincent a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi All,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to participate to your project and to help you by packaging
+</I>&gt;<i> rpms.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I don't know what needs to be packed, I've tried to make rpm for
+</I>&gt;<i> ZoneMinder 1.24.4. But it fails to install into BUILDROOT environment. I
+</I>&gt;<i> must have done something wrong while setting installation destinations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Attached is the spec file, and the patch to make it compiled.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If any mentor could help me, or assign me something else to pack, I would
+</I>&gt;<i> be glad.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Vincent
+</I>
+Vincent has been waiting for a mentor for 1 month, which is a long time for
+someone who kindly offers to help. I know that every mentor already has several
+apprentices, but could someone add one to his list ?
+
+Thanks in advance.
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+<PRE>Well I can understand that there is no mentor to take an apprentice, but
+can you give me something that is needed to pack? I can try on my side and
+get back to you for advices.
+
+What do you think?
+
+Vincent
+
+Le , Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 30 juin 2011 22:32:45, Vincent a &#233;crit :
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; Hi All,
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; I would like to participate to your project and to help you by packaging
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; rpms.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; As I don't know what needs to be packed, I've tried to make rpm for
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; ZoneMinder 1.24.4. But it fails to install into BUILDROOT environment. I
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; must have done something wrong while setting installation destinations.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; Attached is the spec file, and the patch to make it compiled.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; If any mentor could help me, or assign me something else to pack, I
+</I>&gt;<i> would
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; be glad.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; Regards
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; Vincent
+</I>
+
+
+&gt;<i> Vincent has been waiting for a mentor for 1 month, which is a long time
+</I>&gt;<i> for
+</I>
+&gt;<i> someone who kindly offers to help. I know that every mentor already has
+</I>&gt;<i> several
+</I>
+&gt;<i> apprentices, but could someone add one to his list ?
+</I>
+
+
+&gt;<i> Thanks in advance.
+</I>
+
+
+&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>
+
+
+&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
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+<PRE>Sorry for my late answer, but i could not read it before.
+
+&gt;<i> If one does another update (i.e. adds subrel), it should mean that the
+</I>&gt;<i> fixes/whatever have been done to the cauldron tree first and thus
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron has 1.0-2.mga1, while mga1 gets 1.0-1.1.mga1.
+</I>That's also my point of view...
+Maintainer or who fixes the package must bump release in cauldron in such
+a case and if it is a fix that fixing should be ported in cauldron as well.
+
+As said by coling in a mail after, sometimes a package that is backported
+needs to be patched to build in stable, but in that case i can't see
+why we need to add subrel... let's leave the same version.
+After that any following release falls in the previous case e.g. bumping
+cauldron.
+
+A rebuilding for any reason in stable *must* be followed by a release bumping
+in cauldron if there's no package release changes there.
+
+Another thing, i agree we have to move up, but the chosen (i seem it's been
+decided already) policy requires more work for packagers, so we complain we
+have few packagers, and do we overload them?
+
+I believe we could add a robot who catches a package that is higher in stable
+than in cauldron, we already check it for upstream/other distro version...
+A package that falls in that case can be considered as all the other in
+broken dependency....
+
+WDYT?
+
+
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 28 July 2011 07:25, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: polkit-kde-kcmodules-1 &#160; &#160; &#160; Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 0.98.1 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 1.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Thu Jul 28 07:21:22 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: jonund
+</I>&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Graphical desktop/KDE &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 30057 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;License: GPL
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/base/polkit-kde-kcmodules-1">https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/base/polkit-kde-kcmodules-1</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : PolicyKit KDE Configuration
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Set of configuration modules which allows administrator to change polkit settings.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ze &lt;ze&gt; 0.98.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 130049
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package polkit-kde-kcmodules-1
+</I>
+This package shouldn't provide polkit-agent:
+$ urpmq --provides polkit-kde-kcmodules
+polkit-agent
+[...]
+
+it doesn't include a polkit authentication agent, AFAICS.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 30 juin 2011 22:32:45, Vincent a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi All,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to participate to your project and to help you by packaging
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpms.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As I don't know what needs to be packed, I've tried to make rpm for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ZoneMinder 1.24.4. But it fails to install into BUILDROOT environment. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> must have done something wrong while setting installation destinations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Attached is the spec file, and the patch to make it compiled.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If any mentor could help me, or assign me something else to pack, I would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be glad.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Vincent
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Vincent has been waiting for a mentor for 1 month, which is a long time for
+</I>&gt;<i> someone who kindly offers to help. I know that every mentor already has several
+</I>&gt;<i> apprentices, but could someone add one to his list ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks in advance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i have not a lot of time but i can take a last apprentice.
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+Just wanted to make sure this one didn't fall through the cracks. The apache maintainer should probably take care of this since it builds
+right from the apache source. It's a simple import and rebuild. Thanks!
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+ <B>David Walser</B>
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+I also wanted to make sure this wasn't missed, as it's an important package (for monitoring APC brand UPSs). It's also a simple import and
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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+<PRE>Le Samedi 30 Juillet 2011 16:09:18 David Walser a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1462">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1462</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also wanted to make sure this wasn't missed, as it's an important
+</I>&gt;<i> package (for monitoring APC brand UPSs). It's also a simple import
+</I>&gt;<i> and rebuild. Thanks!
+</I>Well the package is already on svn, but i did not push it due to hal
+requirement (&amp; i did not find the time to find a solution).
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+&gt;<i> Le Samedi 30 Juillet 2011 16:09:18 David Walser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1462">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1462</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I also wanted to make sure this wasn't missed, as it's an important
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package (for monitoring APC brand UPSs). &#160;It's also a simple import
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and rebuild. &#160;Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i> Well the package is already on svn, but i did not push it due to hal
+</I>&gt;<i> requirement (&amp; i did not find the time to find a solution).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+we have not for mageia 2 the complete halectomy to do, so maybe we can
+push it and think about it when we will try to remove hal from the
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+ axel : A lightweight download accelerator by using multiple connections
+ cross-avr-binutils : GNU binutils for AVR
+ cross-avr-gcc : Cross Compiling GNU GCC targeted at avr
+ fusiondirectory : Web Based LDAP Administration Program
+ mtd-utils : Utilities for dealing with MTD (flash) devices
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> The following packages have RPM groups that are not valid for Mageia packages:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;axel : A lightweight download accelerator by using multiple connections
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;cross-avr-binutils : GNU binutils for AVR
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;cross-avr-gcc : Cross Compiling GNU GCC targeted at avr
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;fusiondirectory : Web Based LDAP Administration Program
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;mtd-utils : Utilities for dealing with MTD (flash) devices
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i will fix fusiondirectory but i just wanted to thank you for such QA
+mail, this is all the quality we need in mageia.
+
+A BIG THANK YOU :)
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+&gt;<i> Revision 102884 Author gil Date 2011-06-10 03:53:11 +0200 (Fri, 10 Jun 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> imported package excalibur-configuration
+</I>
+
+Can you take a look ? this doesn't build on mageia :
+
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110730232653.dmorgan.valstar.2165/log/excalibur-configuration-1.1-1.mga2/build.0.20110730232714.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110730232653.dmorgan.valstar.2165/log/excalibur-configuration-1.1-1.mga2/build.0.20110730232714.log</A>
+
+this is an 2007 old stuff, is this really neededd ? there is no new version ?
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+ <B>D.Morgan</B>
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:53 AM, &#160;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 102884 Author gil Date 2011-06-10 03:53:11 +0200 (Fri, 10 Jun 2011)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> imported package excalibur-configuration
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you take a look ? this doesn't build on mageia :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110730232653.dmorgan.valstar.2165/log/excalibur-configuration-1.1-1.mga2/build.0.20110730232714.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110730232653.dmorgan.valstar.2165/log/excalibur-configuration-1.1-1.mga2/build.0.20110730232714.log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this is an 2007 old stuff, &#160; is this really neededd ? there is no new version ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+sorry this was for gil not for this ML :/
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+ <B>Christiaan Welvaart</B>
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+<PRE>On Sat, 30 Jul 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
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+&gt;<i> The following packages have RPM groups that are not valid for Mageia packages:
+</I>
+What list of groups did you use? Development/Tools is not listed in
+/usr/share/rpmlint/config.d/distribution.exceptions.conf but you didn't
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 31 juillet 2011 16:47:42, Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 30 Jul 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The following packages have RPM groups that are not valid for Mageia
+</I>packages:
+&gt;<i> What list of groups did you use? Development/Tools is not listed in
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/rpmlint/config.d/distribution.exceptions.conf but you didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> list package(s) with that group.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Christiaan
+</I>
+I just reported the packages I noticed, I can have missed some of them :)
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+&gt;<i> Just been looking in the core/updates_testing/ repo to see if there
+</I>&gt;<i> was anything that I could install to help with testing, and I
+</I>&gt;<i> noticed that the libreoffice-help-en-3.3.3.1-0.1.mga1.i586.rpm is
+</I>&gt;<i> only 18KB and all other languages are more than 5000KB.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this right?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, in Mageia Cauldron libreoffice-core 3.4.2.1 2.mga2
+seems to contain the englisch helpfiles:
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/default.css
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/err.html
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/highcontrast1.css
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/highcontrast2.css
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/highcontrastblack.css
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/highcontrastwhite.css
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/sbasic.cfg
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/sbasic.db
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/sbasic.ht
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/sbasic.idxl
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/sbasic.idxl/_0.cfs
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/sbasic.idxl/segments.gen
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/sbasic.idxl/segments_2
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/sbasic.jar
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/sbasic.key
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/sbasic.tree
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/schart.cfg
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/schart.db
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/schart.ht
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/schart.idxl
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/schart.idxl/_0.cfs
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/schart.idxl/segments.gen
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/schart.idxl/segments_2
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/schart.jar
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/schart.key
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/schart.tree
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/shared.db
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/shared.ht
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/shared.jar
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/shared.key
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/en/shared.tree
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/idxcaption.xsl
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/idxcontent.xsl
+&#8206;/usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/help/main_transform.xsl
+
+I suppose it's the same with your version.
+
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+ <h1>July 2011 Archives by author</h1>
+ <ul>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Jul 1 00:11:12 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Jul 31 16:58:26 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 971<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006796.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Altizer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007017.html">[Mageia-dev] The triage team.
+</A><A NAME="7017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007123.html">[Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
+</A><A NAME="7123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006560.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006668.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006676.html">[Mageia-dev] broken libwordsexportfilters rpm
+</A><A NAME="6676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006681.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.0-rc7-git2 landing on Cauldron...
+</A><A NAME="6681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006821.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006822.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006825.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006835.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron core/release gnome-keyring-3.1.1-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006946.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel request: Turn off SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM.
+</A><A NAME="6946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006965.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mgarepo-1.9.11-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007050.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006216.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006217.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006223.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006322.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006323.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006325.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006333.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006334.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006337.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006371.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006373.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006389.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006504.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006507.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006511.html">[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</A><A NAME="6511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006515.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006517.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007093.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007094.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007097.html">[Mageia-dev] Running X11 apps from the console after exporting DISPLAY
+</A><A NAME="7097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006459.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stew Benedict
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006647.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006649.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006770.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006774.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006255.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006257.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006261.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006268.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006271.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006274.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006307.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006318.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006321.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006324.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006329.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006330.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006335.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006387.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006416.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006418.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006427.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006432.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006438.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006462.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006473.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006476.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006500.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006529.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006548.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006556.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006563.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006578.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006635.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006707.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006775.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006779.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006997.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006640.html">[Mageia-dev] Upcoming German Linux Event in August
+</A><A NAME="6640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006749.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006762.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006778.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006780.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006876.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="6876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006925.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006674.html">[Mageia-dev] BS fixed
+</A><A NAME="6674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006733.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006919.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006670.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken BS
+</A><A NAME="6670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006672.html">[Mageia-dev] BS fixed
+</A><A NAME="6672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006675.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006677.html">[Mageia-dev] broken libwordsexportfilters rpm
+</A><A NAME="6677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006679.html">[Mageia-dev] broken libwordsexportfilters rpm
+</A><A NAME="6679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006708.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006711.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006729.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006738.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006746.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006772.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006792.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006794.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006798.html">[Mageia-dev] Revert of Rasqal and Redland
+</A><A NAME="6798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006799.html">[Mageia-dev] Revert of Rasqal and Redland
+</A><A NAME="6799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006845.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006902.html">[Mageia-dev] maven packages not replacing older ones - conflict results
+</A><A NAME="6902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006983.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007002.html">[Mageia-dev] FTBFS: Help needed:
+</A><A NAME="7002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007008.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release texlive-20100722-37.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007087.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release jgraph-5.12.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007092.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007095.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007132.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="7132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007136.html">[Mageia-dev] Import request: apcupsd
+</A><A NAME="7136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007138.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages with wrong RPM group
+</A><A NAME="7138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007139.html">[Mageia-dev] [102884] imported package excalibur-configuration
+</A><A NAME="7139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007140.html">[Mageia-dev] [102884] imported package excalibur-configuration
+</A><A NAME="7140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006567.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006880.html">[Mageia-dev] autopano-sift-C ought to be in tainted, instead of core repository
+</A><A NAME="6880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006889.html">[Mageia-dev] autopano-sift-C ought to be in tainted, instead of core repository
+</A><A NAME="6889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006916.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006967.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006972.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006980.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006178.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006181.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006354.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006452.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006454.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006456.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006460.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006533.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006537.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006627.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006628.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006629.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006638.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006644.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006646.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006648.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006650.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006652.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006701.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006703.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006725.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006730.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006765.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006771.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006773.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006777.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006805.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006806.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006807.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006808.html">[Mageia-dev] freezing (not totaly but making it unusable) mageia (and mandriva cooker) as guest using virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="6808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006809.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006810.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006884.html">[Mageia-dev] autopano-sift-C ought to be in tainted, instead of core repository
+</A><A NAME="6884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006483.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006653.html">[Mageia-dev] Flash player 11
+</A><A NAME="6653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006840.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006176.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006180.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006191.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006192.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006193.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006194.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006196.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006200.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006210.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006221.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006225.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006239.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion: revert tcl and tk into stable 8.5
+</A><A NAME="6239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006241.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006244.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006297.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006299.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006303.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006316.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006319.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006320.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006326.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006328.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006332.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006336.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006340.html">[Mageia-dev] libgcr-3_%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm and libgck%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</A><A NAME="6340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006369.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006374.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006393.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006448.html">[Mageia-dev] task-kde4*
+</A><A NAME="6448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006450.html">[Mageia-dev] task-kde4*
+</A><A NAME="6450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006528.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7RC2 update
+</A><A NAME="6528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006584.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006589.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006592.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006593.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006600.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006641.html">[Mageia-dev] Second .spec generic question
+</A><A NAME="6641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006643.html">[Mageia-dev] Second .spec generic question
+</A><A NAME="6643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006678.html">[Mageia-dev] %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="6678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006724.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006727.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006739.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006741.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006748.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006753.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006758.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006759.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006785.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006789.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006793.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006797.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006802.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006829.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006292.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7 RC1 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006901.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 2.6.38.8 and ATI radeon
+</A><A NAME="6901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alberto Girlando
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006368.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006370.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006372.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006682.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006683.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006766.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006767.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006870.html">[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions
+</A><A NAME="6870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006875.html">[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions
+</A><A NAME="6875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006877.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006897.html">[Mageia-dev] maven packages not replacing older ones - conflict results
+</A><A NAME="6897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006898.html">[Mageia-dev] maven packages not replacing older ones - conflict results
+</A><A NAME="6898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007111.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing KDE rebuilds ?
+</A><A NAME="7111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007112.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE conflicts, possibly related to previous mail
+</A><A NAME="7112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007115.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE conflicts, possibly related to previous mail
+</A><A NAME="7115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006890.html">[Mageia-dev] An Mageia-made RPM of cross-mipsel-binutils is wished for ASAP
+</A><A NAME="6890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007316.html">[Mageia-dev] Where's Arnoud, the maintainer of the ARM-build for Mageia?
+</A><A NAME="7316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006211.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to Gnome 3.1
+</A><A NAME="6211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006363.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006403.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006480.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006503.html">[Mageia-dev] IDE/SATA CDROM devices and user permissions problem (udev/kernel related?) (was Re: Bug 1525)
+</A><A NAME="6503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006516.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006522.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006538.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006539.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove bobobot from distribution ?
+</A><A NAME="6539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006642.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006660.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006663.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006671.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006673.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006680.html">[Mageia-dev] %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="6680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006685.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006782.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006783.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006784.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006788.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006790.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006795.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006801.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006851.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006862.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006866.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006903.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006945.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel request: Turn off SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM.
+</A><A NAME="6945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006949.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel request: Turn off SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM.
+</A><A NAME="6949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007013.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007020.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007086.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007088.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007089.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007090.html">[Mageia-dev] Running X11 apps from the console after exporting DISPLAY
+</A><A NAME="7090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007091.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome-terminal under KDE+kwin
+</A><A NAME="7091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007101.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007105.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007106.html">[Mageia-dev] Running X11 apps from the console after exporting DISPLAY
+</A><A NAME="7106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007108.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007109.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome-terminal under KDE+kwin
+</A><A NAME="7109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007125.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006272.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006313.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release handbrake-0.9.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006425.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006485.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006530.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006710.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006820.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006844.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006856.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006857.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006874.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006895.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006899.html">[Mageia-dev] maven packages not replacing older ones - conflict results
+</A><A NAME="6899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006950.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release t-lasku-1.10.0-1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007014.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007015.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007063.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007064.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006891.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006948.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006428.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006429.html">[Mageia-dev] extremetuxracer - Bug 1580. More testers wanted.
+</A><A NAME="6429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006472.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006655.html">[Mageia-dev] Flash player 11
+</A><A NAME="6655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006966.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug report for iputils
+</A><A NAME="6966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007032.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007041.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006315.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release handbrake-0.9.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006382.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006394.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006488.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006836.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006982.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="6982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007001.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="7001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006552.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006183.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006184.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006206.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006207.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006208.html">[Mageia-dev] [115962]
+</A><A NAME="6208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006218.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006237.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006256.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006352.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006392.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006423.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-control-center-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006424.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-settings-daemon-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006449.html">[Mageia-dev] task-kde4*
+</A><A NAME="6449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006494.html">[Mageia-dev] [120818] new version 2.4.1.90
+</A><A NAME="6494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006520.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006524.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7RC2 update
+</A><A NAME="6524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006531.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7RC2 update
+</A><A NAME="6531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006536.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006549.html">[Mageia-dev] [123240] new version 2.0 rc
+</A><A NAME="6549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006551.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006557.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7RC2 update
+</A><A NAME="6557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006558.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006607.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006618.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006651.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006684.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006686.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006800.html">[Mageia-dev] Revert of Rasqal and Redland
+</A><A NAME="6800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006804.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006827.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006837.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006867.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006878.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006881.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release autopano-sift-C-2.5.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006922.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006970.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006974.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007040.html">[Mageia-dev] knetworkmanager segsfault
+</A><A NAME="7040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007113.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing KDE rebuilds ?
+</A><A NAME="7113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007114.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE conflicts, possibly related to previous mail
+</A><A NAME="7114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007116.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE conflicts, possibly related to previous mail
+</A><A NAME="7116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007135.html">[Mageia-dev] Import request: apcupsd
+</A><A NAME="7135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006904.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 2.6.38.8 and ATI radeon
+</A><A NAME="6904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Listes ( Jos&#233; Jorge)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006247.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006281.html">[Mageia-dev] mdv update problem
+</A><A NAME="6281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006350.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006419.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006543.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006907.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006968.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006975.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007027.html">[Mageia-dev] LibreOffice English help - very small
+</A><A NAME="7027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007028.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007030.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007031.html">[Mageia-dev] Easy locales
+</A><A NAME="7031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006547.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006422.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006401.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006439.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006469.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006195.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006209.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006220.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006259.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006266.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006360.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006376.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006408.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for victim^w^wvolunteer for Texlive package
+</A><A NAME="6408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006544.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006742.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006751.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006763.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006818.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006843.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006846.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007054.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006201.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006219.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006258.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006260.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006262.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006264.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006270.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006275.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006288.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006290.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006312.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006817.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006786.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006791.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006305.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006442.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006444.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006267.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006284.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006527.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-l10n-5.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006585.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006591.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006598.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006705.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006735.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006747.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006756.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006924.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007005.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007018.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007051.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007073.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007081.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="7081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006399.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006474.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006614.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006619.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006301.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006559.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006228.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006518.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006519.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006566.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006568.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006645.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006838.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006839.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006900.html">[Mageia-dev] CUDA in Mageia vs compilers
+</A><A NAME="6900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006667.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006819.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006969.html">[Mageia-dev] measuring our resources for release support
+</A><A NAME="6969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007009.html">[Mageia-dev] LibreOffice English help - very small
+</A><A NAME="7009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006302.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="6302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006550.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo howto
+</A><A NAME="6550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006581.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006873.html">[Mageia-dev] ARM: new cross-distro@ list
+</A><A NAME="6873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steve McIntyre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006879.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007004.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007033.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006445.html">[Mageia-dev] openldap-server needs rebuild agains new db51
+</A><A NAME="6445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006179.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to Gnome 3.1
+</A><A NAME="6179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006199.html">[Mageia-dev] [117096] rebuild
+</A><A NAME="6199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006227.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006229.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006240.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion: revert tcl and tk into stable 8.5
+</A><A NAME="6240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006280.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006346.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006364.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006367.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006468.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006521.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006535.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006542.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-l10n-5.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006562.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006580.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006617.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006654.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006287.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006296.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006478.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia educational - part 2
+</A><A NAME="6478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006582.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo howto
+</A><A NAME="6582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006583.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006604.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006612.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006613.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006621.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006630.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006636.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006639.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006657.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006662.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006666.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006718.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006721.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006723.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006731.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006754.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006760.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006761.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006764.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006985.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007130.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006664.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefano Negro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006202.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006185.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006632.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006633.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006999.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="6999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007103.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="7103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006238.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006339.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006605.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006831.html">[Mageia-dev] latest xorg unusable on laptop: no mouse/keyboard
+</A><A NAME="6831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006832.html">[Mageia-dev] latest xorg unusable on laptop: no mouse/keyboard
+</A><A NAME="6832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006913.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007026.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007029.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007034.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007036.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007037.html">[Mageia-dev] knetworkmanager segsfault
+</A><A NAME="7037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007038.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007043.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007045.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007118.html">[Mageia-dev] new samba-squid subpackage proporsal
+</A><A NAME="7118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007120.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006434.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006513.html">[Mageia-dev] Request for package review: rss2email &amp; python-html2text
+</A><A NAME="6513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006803.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006815.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006816.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006847.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006848.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006854.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006989.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006993.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-keyring-3.1.4-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006188.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006190.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006263.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006265.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006278.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006286.html">[Mageia-dev] mdv update problem
+</A><A NAME="6286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006357.html">[Mageia-dev] Rpmlint rejection of percent in the summary and name, svn one word commit
+</A><A NAME="6357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006365.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006377.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006378.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006380.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006381.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006384.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006385.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006388.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006391.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006395.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006397.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006398.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006405.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006409.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006410.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006435.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006465.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006466.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006484.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006495.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006496.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006497.html">[Mageia-dev] Change mandriva svn url in http://check.mageia.org
+</A><A NAME="6497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006498.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 1525
+</A><A NAME="6498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006505.html">[Mageia-dev] IDE/SATA CDROM devices and user permissions problem (udev/kernel related?) (was Re: Bug 1525)
+</A><A NAME="6505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006506.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006508.html">[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</A><A NAME="6508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006510.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006512.html">[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</A><A NAME="6512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006571.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006595.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006601.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006603.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006609.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006611.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006615.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006616.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006620.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006634.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006637.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006658.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006659.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006661.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006665.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006669.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006704.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006706.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006740.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006750.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006755.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006824.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006849.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006850.html">[Mageia-dev] How to push new packages to Mageia 1 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="6850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006852.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006855.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006860.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006861.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006864.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006865.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006869.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006872.html">[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions
+</A><A NAME="6872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006886.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006887.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006892.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006894.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006896.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006910.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006911.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006932.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006934.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006937.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing kdelibs4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="6937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006941.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006953.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006954.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006956.html">[Mageia-dev] Finalizing update process
+</A><A NAME="6956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006960.html">[Mageia-dev] Finalizing update process
+</A><A NAME="6960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006961.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: gtk-doc proposed changes
+</A><A NAME="6961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006963.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: gtk-doc proposed changes
+</A><A NAME="6963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006979.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release boinc-client-6.10.58-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006988.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007006.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007012.html">[Mageia-dev] The triage team.
+</A><A NAME="7012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007117.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007126.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007131.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release polkit-kde-kcmodules-1-0.98.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006455.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cazzaniga Sandro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006481.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cazzaniga Sandro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006224.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006230.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006232.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006304.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006314.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release handbrake-0.9.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006327.html">[Mageia-dev] Arm, meeting, etc
+</A><A NAME="6327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006331.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release handbrake-0.9.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006341.html">[Mageia-dev] libgcr-3_%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm and libgck%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</A><A NAME="6341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006342.html">[Mageia-dev] End of the problem on BS
+</A><A NAME="6342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006343.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006344.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006353.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006355.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006356.html">[Mageia-dev] Rpmlint rejection of percent in the summary and name, svn one word commit
+</A><A NAME="6356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006426.html">[Mageia-dev] Arm, meeting, etc
+</A><A NAME="6426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006453.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006482.html">[Mageia-dev] Out of town until 18/07
+</A><A NAME="6482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006489.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006690.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006691.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006692.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006693.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006694.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006695.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006696.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006697.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006698.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006699.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006709.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006715.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006716.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006719.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006720.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006726.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006728.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006734.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006744.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006745.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006757.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006769.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006813.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006833.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006858.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006863.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006882.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release autopano-sift-C-2.5.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006883.html">[Mageia-dev] autopano-sift-C ought to be in tainted, instead of core repository
+</A><A NAME="6883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006885.html">[Mageia-dev] Cleaning orphans from the mirrors
+</A><A NAME="6885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006912.html">[Mageia-dev] [Fwd: [Mageia-sysadm] rpmlint check on upload, attempt 2]
+</A><A NAME="6912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006914.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1882] Calibre crash on startup
+</A><A NAME="6914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006918.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006926.html">[Mageia-dev] No more ssh-agent needed for submitting
+</A><A NAME="6926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006927.html">[Mageia-dev] No more ssh-agent needed for submitting
+</A><A NAME="6927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006928.html">[Mageia-dev] No more ssh-agent needed for submitting
+</A><A NAME="6928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006929.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006947.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006951.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release t-lasku-1.10.0-1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006958.html">[Mageia-dev] Finalizing update process
+</A><A NAME="6958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006990.html">[Mageia-dev] [Fwd: [Mageia-sysadm] rpmlint check on upload, attempt 2]
+</A><A NAME="6990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006996.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007003.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007016.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007019.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007024.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007025.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007039.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007052.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007053.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007055.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007057.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007059.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007065.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007069.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007071.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="7071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007141.html">[Mageia-dev] Not here until 10/08
+</A><A NAME="7141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006826.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Brian Smith
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006186.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006187.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006189.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006252.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006279.html">[Mageia-dev] mdv update problem
+</A><A NAME="6279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006283.html">[Mageia-dev] mdv update problem
+</A><A NAME="6283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006347.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006433.html">[Mageia-dev] openldap-server needs rebuild agains new db51
+</A><A NAME="6433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006461.html">[Mageia-dev] openldap-server needs rebuild agains new db51
+</A><A NAME="6461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006569.html">[Mageia-dev] kolab/horde upgrades
+</A><A NAME="6569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006572.html">[Mageia-dev] remove package
+</A><A NAME="6572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006776.html">[Mageia-dev] freezing (not totaly but making it unusable) mageia (and mandriva cooker) as guest using virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="6776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006830.html">[Mageia-dev] freezing (not totaly but making it unusable) mageia (and mandriva cooker) as guest using virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="6830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006930.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006931.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006987.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007047.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove noarch packages in x86_64
+</A><A NAME="7047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006909.html">[Mageia-dev] Cleaning orphans from the mirrors
+</A><A NAME="6909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006198.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006269.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006276.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 technical specifications
+</A><A NAME="6276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006298.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006309.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006345.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006348.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006420.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006421.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006447.html">[Mageia-dev] Arm, meeting, etc
+</A><A NAME="6447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006622.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006625.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006626.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006991.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006994.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007061.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007075.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="7075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007076.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007077.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007079.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007085.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="7085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006242.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006338.html">[Mageia-dev] Arm, meeting, etc
+</A><A NAME="6338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006203.html">[Mageia-dev] [115962]
+</A><A NAME="6203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006249.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006250.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006251.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006289.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006311.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006415.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="6415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006471.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006475.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006487.html">[Mageia-dev] A tool to help spotting backports needs
+</A><A NAME="6487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006501.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006502.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006534.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove bobobot from distribution ?
+</A><A NAME="6534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006574.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006575.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006577.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006586.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006587.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006590.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006688.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006689.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006713.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006714.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006717.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006722.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006736.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006752.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release pymecavideo-5.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006842.html">[Mageia-dev] How to push new packages to Mageia 1 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="6842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006853.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006859.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006868.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006893.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006915.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1882] Calibre crash on startup
+</A><A NAME="6915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006921.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006938.html">[Mageia-dev] QA team wants testers to help testing update candidates (otherwise : no LTS !)
+</A><A NAME="6938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006939.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006942.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging Mentors wanted
+</A><A NAME="6942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006973.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release boinc-client-6.10.58-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006992.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006995.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="6995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007000.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="7000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007010.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007011.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007021.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007022.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007023.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007035.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007056.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007058.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release python-cherrypy-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007072.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007074.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007080.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007083.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007096.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007107.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007119.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007121.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007128.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="7128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007137.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages with wrong RPM group
+</A><A NAME="7137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007143.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages with wrong RPM group
+</A><A NAME="7143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006936.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing kdelibs4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="6936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006940.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release t-lasku-1.10.0-1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006955.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release less-444-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006957.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006964.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mgarepo-1.9.11-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007007.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release texlive-20100722-37.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007062.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakxtools-13.60-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007066.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007067.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007068.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="7068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006245.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006943.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006952.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006971.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006362.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release cogl-1.7.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006834.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006841.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron core/release gnome-keyring-3.1.1-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006933.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006998.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-keyring-3.1.4-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007048.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove noarch packages in x86_64
+</A><A NAME="7048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007049.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-Horde_Crypt-1.0.3-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007110.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="7110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007317.html">[Mageia-dev] LibreOffice English help - very small
+</A><A NAME="7317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007122.html">[Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
+</A><A NAME="7122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Micha&#322; Walenciak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007127.html">[Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
+</A><A NAME="7127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Micha&#322; Walenciak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006273.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007133.html">[Mageia-dev] Import request: apache-mod_suexec
+</A><A NAME="7133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007134.html">[Mageia-dev] Import request: apcupsd
+</A><A NAME="7134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006236.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion: revert tcl and tk into stable 8.5
+</A><A NAME="6236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006359.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006361.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006366.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006383.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006386.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006390.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006436.html">[Mageia-dev] openldap-server needs rebuild agains new db51
+</A><A NAME="6436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006467.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006493.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006888.html">[Mageia-dev] Cleaning orphans from the mirrors
+</A><A NAME="6888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006917.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006923.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006226.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006243.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006406.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006412.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for victim^w^wvolunteer for Texlive package
+</A><A NAME="6412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006514.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006594.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006599.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006631.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006656.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006712.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006732.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006823.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006828.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006871.html">[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions
+</A><A NAME="6871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006962.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: gtk-doc proposed changes
+</A><A NAME="6962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006976.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007060.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007070.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007098.html">[Mageia-dev] Running X11 apps from the console after exporting DISPLAY
+</A><A NAME="7098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007099.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007124.html">[Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
+</A><A NAME="7124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007142.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages with wrong RPM group
+</A><A NAME="7142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006182.html">[Mageia-dev] [115962]
+</A><A NAME="6182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Z&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006212.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006214.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006215.html">[Mageia-dev] [115962]
+</A><A NAME="6215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006231.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006233.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006234.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006246.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006248.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006253.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006254.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006277.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006282.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006285.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006291.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006293.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006294.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006295.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006300.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006306.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006310.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006358.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006375.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006430.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006431.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006457.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006458.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006463.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006464.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006490.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006491.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia educational - part 2
+</A><A NAME="6491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006492.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006525.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006526.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006553.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006554.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006555.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006570.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006588.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006597.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006687.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006700.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006702.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006787.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006811.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006905.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006906.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging Mentors wanted
+</A><A NAME="6906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006944.html">[Mageia-dev] measuring our resources for release support
+</A><A NAME="6944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006959.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006977.html">[Mageia-dev] measuring our resources for release support
+</A><A NAME="6977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006978.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007042.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="7042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007044.html">[Mageia-dev] Easy locales
+</A><A NAME="7044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007046.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006396.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006400.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006414.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006499.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006561.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006509.html">[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</A><A NAME="6509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006565.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006624.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="6624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006981.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006984.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006986.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007102.html">[Mageia-dev] Vacations
+</A><A NAME="7102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007129.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="7129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vincent.hervieux at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007082.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release jgraph-5.12.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>grenoya
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006197.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006349.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006737.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006743.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006768.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006781.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006451.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006479.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006540.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006545.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo howto
+</A><A NAME="6545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006576.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006814.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006935.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.0-rc7-git2 landing on Cauldron...
+</A><A NAME="6935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006204.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 technical specifications
+</A><A NAME="6204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006205.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 technical specifications
+</A><A NAME="6205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006213.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006222.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006317.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006407.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for victim^w^wvolunteer for Texlive package
+</A><A NAME="6407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006411.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="6411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006413.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for victim^w^wvolunteer for Texlive package
+</A><A NAME="6413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006532.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006541.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006546.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo howto
+</A><A NAME="6546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006812.html">[Mageia-dev] Release cycle, support and planning
+</A><A NAME="6812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006908.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006920.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006404.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006523.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006573.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006579.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006175.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 5
+</A><A NAME="6175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006177.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to Gnome 3.1
+</A><A NAME="6177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006235.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006308.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006351.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006379.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006402.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006417.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006437.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006440.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006441.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006443.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006446.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006470.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006477.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006486.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006564.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006596.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006602.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006606.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006608.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006610.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006623.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007078.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007084.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="7084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007100.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="7100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007104.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="7104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Jul 31 16:58:26 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Aug 10 18:33:19 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
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+
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
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+ <h1>July 2011 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Jul 1 00:11:12 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Jul 31 16:58:26 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 971<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006175.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 5
+</A><A NAME="6175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006176.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006177.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to Gnome 3.1
+</A><A NAME="6177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006178.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006179.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to Gnome 3.1
+</A><A NAME="6179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006180.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006181.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006182.html">[Mageia-dev] [115962]
+</A><A NAME="6182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Z&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006183.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006184.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006185.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006186.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006187.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006188.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006189.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006190.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006191.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006192.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006193.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006194.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006195.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006196.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006197.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006198.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006199.html">[Mageia-dev] [117096] rebuild
+</A><A NAME="6199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006200.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006201.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006202.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006203.html">[Mageia-dev] [115962]
+</A><A NAME="6203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006204.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 technical specifications
+</A><A NAME="6204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006205.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 technical specifications
+</A><A NAME="6205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006206.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006207.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006208.html">[Mageia-dev] [115962]
+</A><A NAME="6208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006209.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006210.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006211.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to Gnome 3.1
+</A><A NAME="6211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006212.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006213.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006214.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006215.html">[Mageia-dev] [115962]
+</A><A NAME="6215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006218.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006216.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006217.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006219.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006220.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006221.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006222.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006223.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006224.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006225.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006226.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006227.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006228.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006229.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006230.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006231.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006232.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006233.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006234.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006235.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006236.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion: revert tcl and tk into stable 8.5
+</A><A NAME="6236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006237.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006238.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006239.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion: revert tcl and tk into stable 8.5
+</A><A NAME="6239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006240.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion: revert tcl and tk into stable 8.5
+</A><A NAME="6240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006241.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006242.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006243.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006244.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006245.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006246.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006247.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006248.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006249.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006250.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006251.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006252.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006253.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006254.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006255.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006256.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006257.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006258.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006259.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006260.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006261.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006262.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006263.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006264.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006265.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006266.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006267.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006268.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006269.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006270.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006271.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006272.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006273.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006274.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006275.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006276.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 technical specifications
+</A><A NAME="6276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006277.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006278.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006279.html">[Mageia-dev] mdv update problem
+</A><A NAME="6279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006280.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006281.html">[Mageia-dev] mdv update problem
+</A><A NAME="6281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006282.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006283.html">[Mageia-dev] mdv update problem
+</A><A NAME="6283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006284.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006305.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006285.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006286.html">[Mageia-dev] mdv update problem
+</A><A NAME="6286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006287.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006288.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006289.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006290.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006291.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006292.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7 RC1 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006293.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006294.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006295.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006296.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006297.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006298.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006299.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006300.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006301.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006302.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="6302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006303.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006304.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006306.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006307.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006308.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006309.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006310.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006311.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006312.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006313.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release handbrake-0.9.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006314.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release handbrake-0.9.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006315.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release handbrake-0.9.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006316.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006317.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006318.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006319.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006320.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006321.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006322.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006323.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006324.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006325.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006326.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006327.html">[Mageia-dev] Arm, meeting, etc
+</A><A NAME="6327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006328.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006329.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006330.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006331.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release handbrake-0.9.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006333.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006332.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006334.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006335.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006336.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006337.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006338.html">[Mageia-dev] Arm, meeting, etc
+</A><A NAME="6338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006339.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006340.html">[Mageia-dev] libgcr-3_%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm and libgck%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</A><A NAME="6340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006341.html">[Mageia-dev] libgcr-3_%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm and libgck%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</A><A NAME="6341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006342.html">[Mageia-dev] End of the problem on BS
+</A><A NAME="6342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006343.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006344.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006345.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006346.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006347.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006348.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006349.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006350.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006351.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006352.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006353.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006354.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006355.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006356.html">[Mageia-dev] Rpmlint rejection of percent in the summary and name, svn one word commit
+</A><A NAME="6356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006357.html">[Mageia-dev] Rpmlint rejection of percent in the summary and name, svn one word commit
+</A><A NAME="6357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006358.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006359.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006360.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006361.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006362.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release cogl-1.7.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006363.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006364.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006365.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006366.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006367.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006368.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006369.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006370.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006371.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006372.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006373.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006374.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006375.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006376.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006377.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006378.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006379.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006380.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006381.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006382.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006383.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006384.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006385.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006386.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006387.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006388.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006389.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006390.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006391.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006392.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006393.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006394.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006395.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006396.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006397.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006398.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006399.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006400.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006401.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006402.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006403.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006404.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006405.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006406.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006407.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for victim^w^wvolunteer for Texlive package
+</A><A NAME="6407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006408.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for victim^w^wvolunteer for Texlive package
+</A><A NAME="6408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006409.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006410.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006411.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="6411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006412.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for victim^w^wvolunteer for Texlive package
+</A><A NAME="6412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006413.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for victim^w^wvolunteer for Texlive package
+</A><A NAME="6413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006415.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="6415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006414.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006416.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006417.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006418.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006419.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006420.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006421.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006422.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006423.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-control-center-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006424.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-settings-daemon-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006425.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006426.html">[Mageia-dev] Arm, meeting, etc
+</A><A NAME="6426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006427.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006428.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006429.html">[Mageia-dev] extremetuxracer - Bug 1580. More testers wanted.
+</A><A NAME="6429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006430.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006431.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006432.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006433.html">[Mageia-dev] openldap-server needs rebuild agains new db51
+</A><A NAME="6433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006434.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006435.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006436.html">[Mageia-dev] openldap-server needs rebuild agains new db51
+</A><A NAME="6436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006437.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006438.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006439.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006440.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006441.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006442.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006444.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006443.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006445.html">[Mageia-dev] openldap-server needs rebuild agains new db51
+</A><A NAME="6445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006446.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006447.html">[Mageia-dev] Arm, meeting, etc
+</A><A NAME="6447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006448.html">[Mageia-dev] task-kde4*
+</A><A NAME="6448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006449.html">[Mageia-dev] task-kde4*
+</A><A NAME="6449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006450.html">[Mageia-dev] task-kde4*
+</A><A NAME="6450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006451.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006452.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006453.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006454.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006455.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cazzaniga Sandro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006456.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006457.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006458.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006459.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stew Benedict
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006460.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006461.html">[Mageia-dev] openldap-server needs rebuild agains new db51
+</A><A NAME="6461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006462.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006463.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006464.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006465.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006466.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006467.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006468.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006469.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006470.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006471.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006472.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006473.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006474.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006475.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006476.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006477.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006478.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia educational - part 2
+</A><A NAME="6478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006479.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006480.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006481.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cazzaniga Sandro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006482.html">[Mageia-dev] Out of town until 18/07
+</A><A NAME="6482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006483.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006484.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006890.html">[Mageia-dev] An Mageia-made RPM of cross-mipsel-binutils is wished for ASAP
+</A><A NAME="6890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006485.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006486.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006487.html">[Mageia-dev] A tool to help spotting backports needs
+</A><A NAME="6487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006488.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006489.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006490.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006491.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia educational - part 2
+</A><A NAME="6491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006492.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006493.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006494.html">[Mageia-dev] [120818] new version 2.4.1.90
+</A><A NAME="6494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006495.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006496.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006497.html">[Mageia-dev] Change mandriva svn url in http://check.mageia.org
+</A><A NAME="6497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006498.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 1525
+</A><A NAME="6498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006499.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006500.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006501.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006502.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006503.html">[Mageia-dev] IDE/SATA CDROM devices and user permissions problem (udev/kernel related?) (was Re: Bug 1525)
+</A><A NAME="6503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006504.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006505.html">[Mageia-dev] IDE/SATA CDROM devices and user permissions problem (udev/kernel related?) (was Re: Bug 1525)
+</A><A NAME="6505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006506.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006507.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006508.html">[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</A><A NAME="6508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006509.html">[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</A><A NAME="6509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006510.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006511.html">[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</A><A NAME="6511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006512.html">[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</A><A NAME="6512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006513.html">[Mageia-dev] Request for package review: rss2email &amp; python-html2text
+</A><A NAME="6513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006514.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006515.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006516.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006517.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006518.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006519.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006520.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006521.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006522.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006523.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006524.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7RC2 update
+</A><A NAME="6524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006525.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006526.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006527.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-l10n-5.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006528.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7RC2 update
+</A><A NAME="6528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006529.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006530.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006531.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7RC2 update
+</A><A NAME="6531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006532.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006533.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006534.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove bobobot from distribution ?
+</A><A NAME="6534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006535.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006536.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006537.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006538.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006539.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove bobobot from distribution ?
+</A><A NAME="6539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006540.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006541.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006542.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-l10n-5.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006543.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006544.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006545.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo howto
+</A><A NAME="6545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006547.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006546.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo howto
+</A><A NAME="6546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006548.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006549.html">[Mageia-dev] [123240] new version 2.0 rc
+</A><A NAME="6549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006550.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo howto
+</A><A NAME="6550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006551.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006552.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006553.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006554.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006555.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006557.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7RC2 update
+</A><A NAME="6557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006556.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006558.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006559.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006560.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006561.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006562.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006563.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006564.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006565.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006566.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006567.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006568.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006569.html">[Mageia-dev] kolab/horde upgrades
+</A><A NAME="6569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006570.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006571.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006572.html">[Mageia-dev] remove package
+</A><A NAME="6572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006573.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006574.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006575.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006576.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006577.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006578.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006579.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006580.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006581.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006582.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo howto
+</A><A NAME="6582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006583.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006584.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006585.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006586.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006587.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006588.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006589.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006590.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006591.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006592.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006593.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006594.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006595.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006596.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006597.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006598.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006599.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006600.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006601.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006602.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006603.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006604.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006605.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006606.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006607.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006608.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006609.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006610.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006611.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006612.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006613.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006614.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006615.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006616.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006617.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006618.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006619.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006620.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006621.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006622.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006623.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006624.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="6624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006625.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006626.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006627.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006628.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006629.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006632.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006633.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006630.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006631.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006634.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006635.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006636.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006637.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006638.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006639.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006640.html">[Mageia-dev] Upcoming German Linux Event in August
+</A><A NAME="6640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006641.html">[Mageia-dev] Second .spec generic question
+</A><A NAME="6641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006642.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006643.html">[Mageia-dev] Second .spec generic question
+</A><A NAME="6643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006644.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006645.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006646.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006647.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006648.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006649.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006650.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006651.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006652.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006653.html">[Mageia-dev] Flash player 11
+</A><A NAME="6653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006654.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006655.html">[Mageia-dev] Flash player 11
+</A><A NAME="6655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006656.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006657.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006658.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006659.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006660.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006661.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006662.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006663.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006664.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefano Negro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006665.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006666.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006667.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006668.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006669.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006670.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken BS
+</A><A NAME="6670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006671.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006672.html">[Mageia-dev] BS fixed
+</A><A NAME="6672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006673.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006674.html">[Mageia-dev] BS fixed
+</A><A NAME="6674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006675.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006676.html">[Mageia-dev] broken libwordsexportfilters rpm
+</A><A NAME="6676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006677.html">[Mageia-dev] broken libwordsexportfilters rpm
+</A><A NAME="6677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006678.html">[Mageia-dev] %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="6678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006679.html">[Mageia-dev] broken libwordsexportfilters rpm
+</A><A NAME="6679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006680.html">[Mageia-dev] %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="6680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006681.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.0-rc7-git2 landing on Cauldron...
+</A><A NAME="6681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006682.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006683.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006684.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006685.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006686.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006687.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006688.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006689.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006690.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006691.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006692.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006693.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006694.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006695.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006696.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006697.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006698.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006699.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006700.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006701.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006702.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006703.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006704.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006705.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006706.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006707.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006708.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006709.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006710.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006711.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006712.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006713.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006714.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006715.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006716.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006717.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006718.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006719.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006720.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006721.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006722.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006723.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006724.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006725.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006726.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006727.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006728.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006729.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006730.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006731.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006732.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006733.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006734.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006735.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006737.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006736.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006738.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006739.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006740.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006741.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006742.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006743.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006744.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006745.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006746.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006747.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006748.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006749.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006750.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006751.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006752.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release pymecavideo-5.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006753.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006754.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006755.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006756.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006757.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006758.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006759.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006760.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006761.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006762.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006763.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006764.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006765.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006766.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006767.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006768.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006769.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006770.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006771.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006772.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006773.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006774.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006775.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006776.html">[Mageia-dev] freezing (not totaly but making it unusable) mageia (and mandriva cooker) as guest using virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="6776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006777.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006778.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006779.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006780.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006781.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006782.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006783.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006784.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006785.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006786.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006787.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006788.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006789.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006790.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006791.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006792.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006793.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006794.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006796.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Altizer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006795.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006797.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006798.html">[Mageia-dev] Revert of Rasqal and Redland
+</A><A NAME="6798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006799.html">[Mageia-dev] Revert of Rasqal and Redland
+</A><A NAME="6799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006800.html">[Mageia-dev] Revert of Rasqal and Redland
+</A><A NAME="6800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006801.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006802.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006803.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006804.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006805.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006806.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006807.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006808.html">[Mageia-dev] freezing (not totaly but making it unusable) mageia (and mandriva cooker) as guest using virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="6808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006809.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006810.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006811.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006812.html">[Mageia-dev] Release cycle, support and planning
+</A><A NAME="6812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006813.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006814.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006815.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006816.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006817.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006818.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006819.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006820.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006821.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006822.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006823.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006824.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006825.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006826.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Brian Smith
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006827.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006828.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006829.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006830.html">[Mageia-dev] freezing (not totaly but making it unusable) mageia (and mandriva cooker) as guest using virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="6830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006831.html">[Mageia-dev] latest xorg unusable on laptop: no mouse/keyboard
+</A><A NAME="6831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006832.html">[Mageia-dev] latest xorg unusable on laptop: no mouse/keyboard
+</A><A NAME="6832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006833.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006834.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006835.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron core/release gnome-keyring-3.1.1-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006836.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006837.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006838.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006839.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006840.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006841.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron core/release gnome-keyring-3.1.1-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006842.html">[Mageia-dev] How to push new packages to Mageia 1 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="6842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006843.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006844.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006845.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006846.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006847.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006848.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006849.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006850.html">[Mageia-dev] How to push new packages to Mageia 1 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="6850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006851.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006852.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006853.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006854.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006855.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006856.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006857.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006858.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006859.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006860.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006861.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006862.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006863.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006864.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006865.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006866.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006867.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006868.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006869.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006870.html">[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions
+</A><A NAME="6870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006871.html">[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions
+</A><A NAME="6871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006873.html">[Mageia-dev] ARM: new cross-distro@ list
+</A><A NAME="6873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steve McIntyre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006872.html">[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions
+</A><A NAME="6872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006874.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006875.html">[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions
+</A><A NAME="6875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006876.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="6876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006877.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006878.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006879.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006880.html">[Mageia-dev] autopano-sift-C ought to be in tainted, instead of core repository
+</A><A NAME="6880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006881.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release autopano-sift-C-2.5.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006882.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release autopano-sift-C-2.5.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006883.html">[Mageia-dev] autopano-sift-C ought to be in tainted, instead of core repository
+</A><A NAME="6883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006884.html">[Mageia-dev] autopano-sift-C ought to be in tainted, instead of core repository
+</A><A NAME="6884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006885.html">[Mageia-dev] Cleaning orphans from the mirrors
+</A><A NAME="6885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006886.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006887.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006888.html">[Mageia-dev] Cleaning orphans from the mirrors
+</A><A NAME="6888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006889.html">[Mageia-dev] autopano-sift-C ought to be in tainted, instead of core repository
+</A><A NAME="6889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006891.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006892.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006893.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006894.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006895.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006896.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006897.html">[Mageia-dev] maven packages not replacing older ones - conflict results
+</A><A NAME="6897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006898.html">[Mageia-dev] maven packages not replacing older ones - conflict results
+</A><A NAME="6898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006899.html">[Mageia-dev] maven packages not replacing older ones - conflict results
+</A><A NAME="6899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006900.html">[Mageia-dev] CUDA in Mageia vs compilers
+</A><A NAME="6900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006901.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 2.6.38.8 and ATI radeon
+</A><A NAME="6901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alberto Girlando
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006902.html">[Mageia-dev] maven packages not replacing older ones - conflict results
+</A><A NAME="6902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006903.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006904.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 2.6.38.8 and ATI radeon
+</A><A NAME="6904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Listes ( Jos&#233; Jorge)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007316.html">[Mageia-dev] Where's Arnoud, the maintainer of the ARM-build for Mageia?
+</A><A NAME="7316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006905.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006906.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging Mentors wanted
+</A><A NAME="6906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006907.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006908.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006909.html">[Mageia-dev] Cleaning orphans from the mirrors
+</A><A NAME="6909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006910.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006911.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006912.html">[Mageia-dev] [Fwd: [Mageia-sysadm] rpmlint check on upload, attempt 2]
+</A><A NAME="6912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006913.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006914.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1882] Calibre crash on startup
+</A><A NAME="6914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006915.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1882] Calibre crash on startup
+</A><A NAME="6915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006916.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006917.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006918.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006919.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006920.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006921.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006922.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006923.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006924.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006925.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006926.html">[Mageia-dev] No more ssh-agent needed for submitting
+</A><A NAME="6926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006927.html">[Mageia-dev] No more ssh-agent needed for submitting
+</A><A NAME="6927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006928.html">[Mageia-dev] No more ssh-agent needed for submitting
+</A><A NAME="6928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006929.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006930.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006931.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006932.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006933.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006934.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006935.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.0-rc7-git2 landing on Cauldron...
+</A><A NAME="6935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006936.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing kdelibs4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="6936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006937.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing kdelibs4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="6937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006938.html">[Mageia-dev] QA team wants testers to help testing update candidates (otherwise : no LTS !)
+</A><A NAME="6938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006939.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006940.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release t-lasku-1.10.0-1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006941.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006942.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging Mentors wanted
+</A><A NAME="6942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006943.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006944.html">[Mageia-dev] measuring our resources for release support
+</A><A NAME="6944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006945.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel request: Turn off SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM.
+</A><A NAME="6945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006946.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel request: Turn off SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM.
+</A><A NAME="6946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006947.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006948.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006949.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel request: Turn off SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM.
+</A><A NAME="6949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006950.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release t-lasku-1.10.0-1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006951.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release t-lasku-1.10.0-1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006952.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006953.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006954.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006955.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release less-444-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006956.html">[Mageia-dev] Finalizing update process
+</A><A NAME="6956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006957.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006958.html">[Mageia-dev] Finalizing update process
+</A><A NAME="6958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006959.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006960.html">[Mageia-dev] Finalizing update process
+</A><A NAME="6960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006961.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: gtk-doc proposed changes
+</A><A NAME="6961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006962.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: gtk-doc proposed changes
+</A><A NAME="6962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006963.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: gtk-doc proposed changes
+</A><A NAME="6963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006964.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mgarepo-1.9.11-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006965.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mgarepo-1.9.11-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006966.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug report for iputils
+</A><A NAME="6966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006967.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006968.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006969.html">[Mageia-dev] measuring our resources for release support
+</A><A NAME="6969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006970.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006971.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006972.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006973.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release boinc-client-6.10.58-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006974.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006975.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006976.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006977.html">[Mageia-dev] measuring our resources for release support
+</A><A NAME="6977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006978.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006979.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release boinc-client-6.10.58-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006980.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006981.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006982.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="6982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006983.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006984.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006985.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006986.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006987.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006988.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006989.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006990.html">[Mageia-dev] [Fwd: [Mageia-sysadm] rpmlint check on upload, attempt 2]
+</A><A NAME="6990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006991.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006992.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006993.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-keyring-3.1.4-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006994.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006996.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006995.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="6995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006997.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006998.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-keyring-3.1.4-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006999.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="6999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007000.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="7000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007001.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="7001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007002.html">[Mageia-dev] FTBFS: Help needed:
+</A><A NAME="7002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007003.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007004.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007005.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007006.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007007.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release texlive-20100722-37.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007008.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release texlive-20100722-37.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007009.html">[Mageia-dev] LibreOffice English help - very small
+</A><A NAME="7009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007317.html">[Mageia-dev] LibreOffice English help - very small
+</A><A NAME="7317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007010.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007011.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007012.html">[Mageia-dev] The triage team.
+</A><A NAME="7012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007013.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007014.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007015.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007017.html">[Mageia-dev] The triage team.
+</A><A NAME="7017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007016.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007018.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007019.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007020.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007021.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007022.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007024.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007023.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007025.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007026.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007027.html">[Mageia-dev] LibreOffice English help - very small
+</A><A NAME="7027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007028.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007029.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007030.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007031.html">[Mageia-dev] Easy locales
+</A><A NAME="7031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007032.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007033.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007034.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007035.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007036.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007037.html">[Mageia-dev] knetworkmanager segsfault
+</A><A NAME="7037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007038.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007039.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007040.html">[Mageia-dev] knetworkmanager segsfault
+</A><A NAME="7040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007041.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007042.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="7042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007043.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007044.html">[Mageia-dev] Easy locales
+</A><A NAME="7044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007045.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007046.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007047.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove noarch packages in x86_64
+</A><A NAME="7047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007048.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove noarch packages in x86_64
+</A><A NAME="7048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007049.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-Horde_Crypt-1.0.3-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007050.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007051.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007052.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007053.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007054.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007055.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007056.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007057.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007058.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release python-cherrypy-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007059.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007060.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007061.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007062.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakxtools-13.60-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007063.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007064.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007065.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007066.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007067.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007068.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="7068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007069.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007070.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007071.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="7071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007072.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007073.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007074.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007075.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="7075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007076.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007077.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007078.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007079.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007080.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007081.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="7081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007082.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release jgraph-5.12.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>grenoya
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007083.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007084.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="7084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007085.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="7085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007086.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007087.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release jgraph-5.12.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007088.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007089.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007090.html">[Mageia-dev] Running X11 apps from the console after exporting DISPLAY
+</A><A NAME="7090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007091.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome-terminal under KDE+kwin
+</A><A NAME="7091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007092.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007093.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007094.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007095.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007096.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007097.html">[Mageia-dev] Running X11 apps from the console after exporting DISPLAY
+</A><A NAME="7097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007098.html">[Mageia-dev] Running X11 apps from the console after exporting DISPLAY
+</A><A NAME="7098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007099.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007100.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="7100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007101.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007102.html">[Mageia-dev] Vacations
+</A><A NAME="7102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007103.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="7103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007104.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="7104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007105.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007106.html">[Mageia-dev] Running X11 apps from the console after exporting DISPLAY
+</A><A NAME="7106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007107.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007108.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007109.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome-terminal under KDE+kwin
+</A><A NAME="7109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007110.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="7110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007111.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing KDE rebuilds ?
+</A><A NAME="7111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007112.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE conflicts, possibly related to previous mail
+</A><A NAME="7112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007113.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing KDE rebuilds ?
+</A><A NAME="7113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007114.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE conflicts, possibly related to previous mail
+</A><A NAME="7114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007115.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE conflicts, possibly related to previous mail
+</A><A NAME="7115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007116.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE conflicts, possibly related to previous mail
+</A><A NAME="7116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007117.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007118.html">[Mageia-dev] new samba-squid subpackage proporsal
+</A><A NAME="7118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007119.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007120.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007121.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007122.html">[Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
+</A><A NAME="7122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Micha&#322; Walenciak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007123.html">[Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
+</A><A NAME="7123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007124.html">[Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
+</A><A NAME="7124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007125.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007126.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007127.html">[Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
+</A><A NAME="7127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Micha&#322; Walenciak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007128.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="7128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007129.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="7129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vincent.hervieux at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007130.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007131.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release polkit-kde-kcmodules-1-0.98.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007132.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="7132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007133.html">[Mageia-dev] Import request: apache-mod_suexec
+</A><A NAME="7133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007134.html">[Mageia-dev] Import request: apcupsd
+</A><A NAME="7134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007135.html">[Mageia-dev] Import request: apcupsd
+</A><A NAME="7135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007136.html">[Mageia-dev] Import request: apcupsd
+</A><A NAME="7136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007137.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages with wrong RPM group
+</A><A NAME="7137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007138.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages with wrong RPM group
+</A><A NAME="7138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007139.html">[Mageia-dev] [102884] imported package excalibur-configuration
+</A><A NAME="7139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007140.html">[Mageia-dev] [102884] imported package excalibur-configuration
+</A><A NAME="7140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007141.html">[Mageia-dev] Not here until 10/08
+</A><A NAME="7141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007142.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages with wrong RPM group
+</A><A NAME="7142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007143.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages with wrong RPM group
+</A><A NAME="7143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Jul 31 16:58:26 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Aug 10 18:33:19 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
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+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <h1>July 2011 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Jul 1 00:11:12 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Jul 31 16:58:26 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 971<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006678.html">[Mageia-dev] %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="6678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006680.html">[Mageia-dev] %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="6680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006508.html">[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</A><A NAME="6508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006509.html">[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</A><A NAME="6509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006511.html">[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</A><A NAME="6511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006512.html">[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</A><A NAME="6512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007139.html">[Mageia-dev] [102884] imported package excalibur-configuration
+</A><A NAME="7139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007140.html">[Mageia-dev] [102884] imported package excalibur-configuration
+</A><A NAME="7140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006182.html">[Mageia-dev] [115962]
+</A><A NAME="6182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Z&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006203.html">[Mageia-dev] [115962]
+</A><A NAME="6203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006208.html">[Mageia-dev] [115962]
+</A><A NAME="6208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006215.html">[Mageia-dev] [115962]
+</A><A NAME="6215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006199.html">[Mageia-dev] [117096] rebuild
+</A><A NAME="6199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006494.html">[Mageia-dev] [120818] new version 2.4.1.90
+</A><A NAME="6494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006549.html">[Mageia-dev] [123240] new version 2.0 rc
+</A><A NAME="6549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006914.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1882] Calibre crash on startup
+</A><A NAME="6914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006915.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1882] Calibre crash on startup
+</A><A NAME="6915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006912.html">[Mageia-dev] [Fwd: [Mageia-sysadm] rpmlint check on upload, attempt 2]
+</A><A NAME="6912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006990.html">[Mageia-dev] [Fwd: [Mageia-sysadm] rpmlint check on upload, attempt 2]
+</A><A NAME="6990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006541.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006543.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006544.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006552.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006553.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006566.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006578.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006579.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006580.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006699.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006810.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006532.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006533.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006535.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006536.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006537.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006538.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006628.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006629.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006631.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006638.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006642.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006644.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006645.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006646.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006647.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006648.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006649.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006650.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006651.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006652.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006654.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006656.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006663.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006673.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006675.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006691.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006701.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006712.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006770.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006809.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006813.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006845.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006177.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to Gnome 3.1
+</A><A NAME="6177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006179.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to Gnome 3.1
+</A><A NAME="6179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006211.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to Gnome 3.1
+</A><A NAME="6211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006227.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006228.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006229.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006518.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006521.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006522.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006568.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006903.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006936.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing kdelibs4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="6936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006937.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing kdelibs4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="6937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006857.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006895.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006856.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006862.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006866.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006867.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006874.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006950.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release t-lasku-1.10.0-1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006951.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release t-lasku-1.10.0-1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006881.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release autopano-sift-C-2.5.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006973.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release boinc-client-6.10.58-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006979.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release boinc-client-6.10.58-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006527.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-l10n-5.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006542.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-l10n-5.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006423.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-control-center-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006993.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-keyring-3.1.4-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006998.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-keyring-3.1.4-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006424.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-settings-daemon-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006853.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006855.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006859.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006860.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006864.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007049.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-Horde_Crypt-1.0.3-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007131.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release polkit-kde-kcmodules-1-0.98.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007058.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release python-cherrypy-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007007.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release texlive-20100722-37.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007008.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release texlive-20100722-37.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006574.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006575.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006577.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006581.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006583.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006607.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006613.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006615.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006617.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006618.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006718.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006957.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006882.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release autopano-sift-C-2.5.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006362.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release cogl-1.7.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007062.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakxtools-13.60-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006804.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006823.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006827.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006828.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006834.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006837.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006313.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release handbrake-0.9.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006314.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release handbrake-0.9.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006315.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release handbrake-0.9.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006331.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release handbrake-0.9.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007082.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release jgraph-5.12.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>grenoya
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007087.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release jgraph-5.12.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006955.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release less-444-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006378.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006379.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006381.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006964.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mgarepo-1.9.11-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006965.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mgarepo-1.9.11-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006858.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006863.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006752.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release pymecavideo-5.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006697.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006726.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006844.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006849.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006861.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006865.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006869.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006941.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006940.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release t-lasku-1.10.0-1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006839.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006840.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006843.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006846.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006487.html">[Mageia-dev] A tool to help spotting backports needs
+</A><A NAME="6487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006195.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006206.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006209.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006216.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006220.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006658.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006660.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006661.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006662.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006664.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefano Negro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006665.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006666.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006667.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006668.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006669.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006671.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006692.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006704.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006705.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006707.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006710.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006715.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006721.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006723.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006750.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006755.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006819.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006820.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006824.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006833.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006836.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006762.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006763.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006764.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006768.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006775.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006778.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006779.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006780.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006781.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006794.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006796.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Altizer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006806.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006821.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006890.html">[Mageia-dev] An Mageia-made RPM of cross-mipsel-binutils is wished for ASAP
+</A><A NAME="6890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006681.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.0-rc7-git2 landing on Cauldron...
+</A><A NAME="6681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006935.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.0-rc7-git2 landing on Cauldron...
+</A><A NAME="6935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006178.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006180.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006181.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006183.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006184.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006185.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006187.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006191.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006192.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006193.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006194.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006196.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006197.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006198.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006200.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006207.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006210.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006218.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006217.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006221.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006223.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006225.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006237.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006241.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006242.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006244.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006255.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006256.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006257.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006297.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006298.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006299.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006301.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006303.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006307.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006316.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006318.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006319.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006320.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006321.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006322.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006323.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006324.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006325.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006326.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006328.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006329.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006330.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006333.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006332.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006334.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006335.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006336.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006337.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006347.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006349.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006176.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006226.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006243.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006327.html">[Mageia-dev] Arm, meeting, etc
+</A><A NAME="6327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006338.html">[Mageia-dev] Arm, meeting, etc
+</A><A NAME="6338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006426.html">[Mageia-dev] Arm, meeting, etc
+</A><A NAME="6426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006447.html">[Mageia-dev] Arm, meeting, etc
+</A><A NAME="6447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006873.html">[Mageia-dev] ARM: new cross-distro@ list
+</A><A NAME="6873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steve McIntyre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006880.html">[Mageia-dev] autopano-sift-C ought to be in tainted, instead of core repository
+</A><A NAME="6880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006889.html">[Mageia-dev] autopano-sift-C ought to be in tainted, instead of core repository
+</A><A NAME="6889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006883.html">[Mageia-dev] autopano-sift-C ought to be in tainted, instead of core repository
+</A><A NAME="6883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006884.html">[Mageia-dev] autopano-sift-C ought to be in tainted, instead of core repository
+</A><A NAME="6884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006991.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006992.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006994.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006996.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006997.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006670.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken BS
+</A><A NAME="6670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006676.html">[Mageia-dev] broken libwordsexportfilters rpm
+</A><A NAME="6676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006677.html">[Mageia-dev] broken libwordsexportfilters rpm
+</A><A NAME="6677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006679.html">[Mageia-dev] broken libwordsexportfilters rpm
+</A><A NAME="6679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006672.html">[Mageia-dev] BS fixed
+</A><A NAME="6672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006674.html">[Mageia-dev] BS fixed
+</A><A NAME="6674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006498.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 1525
+</A><A NAME="6498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006966.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug report for iputils
+</A><A NAME="6966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006835.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron core/release gnome-keyring-3.1.1-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006841.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron core/release gnome-keyring-3.1.1-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006497.html">[Mageia-dev] Change mandriva svn url in http://check.mageia.org
+</A><A NAME="6497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006885.html">[Mageia-dev] Cleaning orphans from the mirrors
+</A><A NAME="6885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006888.html">[Mageia-dev] Cleaning orphans from the mirrors
+</A><A NAME="6888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006909.html">[Mageia-dev] Cleaning orphans from the mirrors
+</A><A NAME="6909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006368.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006369.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006370.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006371.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006372.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006373.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006900.html">[Mageia-dev] CUDA in Mageia vs compilers
+</A><A NAME="6900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006870.html">[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions
+</A><A NAME="6870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006871.html">[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions
+</A><A NAME="6871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006872.html">[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions
+</A><A NAME="6872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006875.html">[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions
+</A><A NAME="6875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007031.html">[Mageia-dev] Easy locales
+</A><A NAME="7031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007044.html">[Mageia-dev] Easy locales
+</A><A NAME="7044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006342.html">[Mageia-dev] End of the problem on BS
+</A><A NAME="6342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006429.html">[Mageia-dev] extremetuxracer - Bug 1580. More testers wanted.
+</A><A NAME="6429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006956.html">[Mageia-dev] Finalizing update process
+</A><A NAME="6956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006958.html">[Mageia-dev] Finalizing update process
+</A><A NAME="6958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006960.html">[Mageia-dev] Finalizing update process
+</A><A NAME="6960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006175.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 5
+</A><A NAME="6175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006653.html">[Mageia-dev] Flash player 11
+</A><A NAME="6653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006655.html">[Mageia-dev] Flash player 11
+</A><A NAME="6655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006830.html">[Mageia-dev] freezing (not totaly but making it unusable) mageia (and mandriva cooker) as guest using virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="6830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006776.html">[Mageia-dev] freezing (not totaly but making it unusable) mageia (and mandriva cooker) as guest using virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="6776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006808.html">[Mageia-dev] freezing (not totaly but making it unusable) mageia (and mandriva cooker) as guest using virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="6808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007002.html">[Mageia-dev] FTBFS: Help needed:
+</A><A NAME="7002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006892.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006894.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006896.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006905.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006910.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006584.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006585.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006586.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006588.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006589.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006590.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006591.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006592.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006593.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006594.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006600.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007091.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome-terminal under KDE+kwin
+</A><A NAME="7091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007109.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome-terminal under KDE+kwin
+</A><A NAME="7109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007089.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007092.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007093.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007094.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007095.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006363.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006365.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006403.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006406.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006409.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006410.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006422.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006431.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006267.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006269.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006272.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006280.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006284.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006305.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006309.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006311.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006343.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006344.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006345.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006346.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006348.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006354.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006355.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006420.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006714.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006717.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006736.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006688.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006690.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006716.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006728.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006850.html">[Mageia-dev] How to push new packages to Mageia 1 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="6850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006842.html">[Mageia-dev] How to push new packages to Mageia 1 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="6842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006503.html">[Mageia-dev] IDE/SATA CDROM devices and user permissions problem (udev/kernel related?) (was Re: Bug 1525)
+</A><A NAME="6503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006505.html">[Mageia-dev] IDE/SATA CDROM devices and user permissions problem (udev/kernel related?) (was Re: Bug 1525)
+</A><A NAME="6505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007133.html">[Mageia-dev] Import request: apache-mod_suexec
+</A><A NAME="7133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007134.html">[Mageia-dev] Import request: apcupsd
+</A><A NAME="7134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007135.html">[Mageia-dev] Import request: apcupsd
+</A><A NAME="7135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007136.html">[Mageia-dev] Import request: apcupsd
+</A><A NAME="7136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006359.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006360.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006361.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006364.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006366.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006367.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006375.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006376.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006377.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006981.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006983.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006984.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006985.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006986.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006524.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7RC2 update
+</A><A NAME="6524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006528.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7RC2 update
+</A><A NAME="6528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006531.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7RC2 update
+</A><A NAME="6531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006557.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7RC2 update
+</A><A NAME="6557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007112.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE conflicts, possibly related to previous mail
+</A><A NAME="7112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007114.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE conflicts, possibly related to previous mail
+</A><A NAME="7114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007115.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE conflicts, possibly related to previous mail
+</A><A NAME="7115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007116.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE conflicts, possibly related to previous mail
+</A><A NAME="7116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006292.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7 RC1 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006901.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 2.6.38.8 and ATI radeon
+</A><A NAME="6901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alberto Girlando
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006904.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 2.6.38.8 and ATI radeon
+</A><A NAME="6904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Listes ( Jos&#233; Jorge)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006724.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006725.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006727.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006729.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006730.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006732.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006733.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006735.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006737.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006738.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006739.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006741.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006742.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006743.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006744.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006745.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006746.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006747.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006748.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006749.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006751.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006753.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006754.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006756.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006757.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006758.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006759.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006760.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006761.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006765.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006766.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006767.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006782.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006783.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006785.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006786.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006788.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006789.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006790.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006791.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006792.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006793.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006795.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006797.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006801.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006802.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006817.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006818.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006825.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006829.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006838.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006945.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel request: Turn off SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM.
+</A><A NAME="6945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006946.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel request: Turn off SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM.
+</A><A NAME="6946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006949.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel request: Turn off SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM.
+</A><A NAME="6949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007037.html">[Mageia-dev] knetworkmanager segsfault
+</A><A NAME="7037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007040.html">[Mageia-dev] knetworkmanager segsfault
+</A><A NAME="7040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006569.html">[Mageia-dev] kolab/horde upgrades
+</A><A NAME="6569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006374.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006389.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006390.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006392.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006393.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006831.html">[Mageia-dev] latest xorg unusable on laptop: no mouse/keyboard
+</A><A NAME="6831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006832.html">[Mageia-dev] latest xorg unusable on laptop: no mouse/keyboard
+</A><A NAME="6832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006340.html">[Mageia-dev] libgcr-3_%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm and libgck%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</A><A NAME="6340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006341.html">[Mageia-dev] libgcr-3_%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm and libgck%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</A><A NAME="6341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006186.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006188.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006189.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006190.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006252.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007009.html">[Mageia-dev] LibreOffice English help - very small
+</A><A NAME="7009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007317.html">[Mageia-dev] LibreOffice English help - very small
+</A><A NAME="7317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007027.html">[Mageia-dev] LibreOffice English help - very small
+</A><A NAME="7027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006302.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="6302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006407.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for victim^w^wvolunteer for Texlive package
+</A><A NAME="6407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006408.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for victim^w^wvolunteer for Texlive package
+</A><A NAME="6408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006412.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for victim^w^wvolunteer for Texlive package
+</A><A NAME="6412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006413.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for victim^w^wvolunteer for Texlive package
+</A><A NAME="6413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006204.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 technical specifications
+</A><A NAME="6204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006205.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 technical specifications
+</A><A NAME="6205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006276.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 technical specifications
+</A><A NAME="6276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006258.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006259.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006260.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006261.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006262.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006263.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006264.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006265.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006266.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006268.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006270.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006271.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006273.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006274.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006275.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006277.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006278.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006282.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006478.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia educational - part 2
+</A><A NAME="6478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006491.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia educational - part 2
+</A><A NAME="6491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006897.html">[Mageia-dev] maven packages not replacing older ones - conflict results
+</A><A NAME="6897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006902.html">[Mageia-dev] maven packages not replacing older ones - conflict results
+</A><A NAME="6902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006898.html">[Mageia-dev] maven packages not replacing older ones - conflict results
+</A><A NAME="6898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006899.html">[Mageia-dev] maven packages not replacing older ones - conflict results
+</A><A NAME="6899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006279.html">[Mageia-dev] mdv update problem
+</A><A NAME="6279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006281.html">[Mageia-dev] mdv update problem
+</A><A NAME="6281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006283.html">[Mageia-dev] mdv update problem
+</A><A NAME="6283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006286.html">[Mageia-dev] mdv update problem
+</A><A NAME="6286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006944.html">[Mageia-dev] measuring our resources for release support
+</A><A NAME="6944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006969.html">[Mageia-dev] measuring our resources for release support
+</A><A NAME="6969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006977.html">[Mageia-dev] measuring our resources for release support
+</A><A NAME="6977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006918.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006919.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006920.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006921.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006924.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006925.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006929.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006514.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006515.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006516.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006517.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006519.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006520.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006551.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006545.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo howto
+</A><A NAME="6545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006546.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo howto
+</A><A NAME="6546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006550.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo howto
+</A><A NAME="6550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006582.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo howto
+</A><A NAME="6582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006317.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006339.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006350.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006351.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006352.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007111.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing KDE rebuilds ?
+</A><A NAME="7111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007113.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing KDE rebuilds ?
+</A><A NAME="7113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006908.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006911.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006913.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006930.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006931.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006932.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006933.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006934.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006976.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006987.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006988.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007068.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="7068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007110.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="7110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006224.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006245.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006247.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006304.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006943.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006947.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006952.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006953.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006954.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006959.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006971.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006978.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006989.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007128.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="7128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007129.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="7129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vincent.hervieux at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007132.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="7132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006564.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006565.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006587.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006596.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006604.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006605.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006606.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006608.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006609.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006612.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006614.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006616.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006619.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006620.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006621.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006622.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006623.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006625.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006626.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006627.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006630.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006634.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006636.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006637.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006639.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006659.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006693.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006694.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006695.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006696.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006702.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006709.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006711.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006713.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006719.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006722.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006731.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006734.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006740.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006769.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006811.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006907.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007084.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="7084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007100.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="7100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007118.html">[Mageia-dev] new samba-squid subpackage proporsal
+</A><A NAME="7118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007071.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="7071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007075.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="7075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007081.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="7081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007085.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="7085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006926.html">[Mageia-dev] No more ssh-agent needed for submitting
+</A><A NAME="6926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006927.html">[Mageia-dev] No more ssh-agent needed for submitting
+</A><A NAME="6927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006928.html">[Mageia-dev] No more ssh-agent needed for submitting
+</A><A NAME="6928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007141.html">[Mageia-dev] Not here until 10/08
+</A><A NAME="7141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006433.html">[Mageia-dev] openldap-server needs rebuild agains new db51
+</A><A NAME="6433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006436.html">[Mageia-dev] openldap-server needs rebuild agains new db51
+</A><A NAME="6436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006445.html">[Mageia-dev] openldap-server needs rebuild agains new db51
+</A><A NAME="6445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006461.html">[Mageia-dev] openldap-server needs rebuild agains new db51
+</A><A NAME="6461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006482.html">[Mageia-dev] Out of town until 18/07
+</A><A NAME="6482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006502.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006689.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006700.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006787.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006501.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006720.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006922.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006968.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006970.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006974.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006975.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006916.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006967.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006972.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006980.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006917.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006923.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007137.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages with wrong RPM group
+</A><A NAME="7137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007138.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages with wrong RPM group
+</A><A NAME="7138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007142.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages with wrong RPM group
+</A><A NAME="7142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007143.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages with wrong RPM group
+</A><A NAME="7143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006285.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006287.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006288.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006293.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006294.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006295.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006296.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006300.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006306.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006906.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging Mentors wanted
+</A><A NAME="6906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006942.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging Mentors wanted
+</A><A NAME="6942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006876.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="6876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006982.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="6982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007104.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="7104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006452.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006453.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006454.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006455.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cazzaniga Sandro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006456.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006467.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006480.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006481.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cazzaniga Sandro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006803.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006805.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006815.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006816.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006822.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006826.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Brian Smith
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006847.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006848.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006851.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006852.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006854.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006995.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="6995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006999.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="6999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007000.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="7000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007042.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="7042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007103.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="7103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006235.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006308.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006248.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006249.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006250.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006310.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006312.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006353.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006358.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006202.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006213.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006222.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006251.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006289.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006657.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006201.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006212.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006214.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006219.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006230.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006231.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006232.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006233.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006234.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006238.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006246.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006253.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006254.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006290.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006291.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006687.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006540.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006554.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006573.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006576.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006597.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006698.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006814.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006938.html">[Mageia-dev] QA team wants testers to help testing update candidates (otherwise : no LTS !)
+</A><A NAME="6938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007122.html">[Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
+</A><A NAME="7122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Micha&#322; Walenciak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007123.html">[Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
+</A><A NAME="7123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007124.html">[Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
+</A><A NAME="7124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007127.html">[Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
+</A><A NAME="7127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Micha&#322; Walenciak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006812.html">[Mageia-dev] Release cycle, support and planning
+</A><A NAME="6812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006534.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove bobobot from distribution ?
+</A><A NAME="6534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006539.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove bobobot from distribution ?
+</A><A NAME="6539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007047.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove noarch packages in x86_64
+</A><A NAME="7047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007048.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove noarch packages in x86_64
+</A><A NAME="7048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006572.html">[Mageia-dev] remove package
+</A><A NAME="6572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006402.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006437.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006610.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006382.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006547.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006558.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006559.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006632.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006633.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007001.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="7001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006387.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006391.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006394.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006395.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006396.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006398.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006399.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006400.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006401.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006405.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006414.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006416.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006425.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006430.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006432.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006435.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006438.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006457.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006462.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006464.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006469.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006473.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006474.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006476.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006492.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006499.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006500.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006525.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006526.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006529.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006530.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006548.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006555.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006556.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006560.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006561.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006562.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006563.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006567.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006570.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006571.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006611.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006635.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006513.html">[Mageia-dev] Request for package review: rss2email &amp; python-html2text
+</A><A NAME="6513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006798.html">[Mageia-dev] Revert of Rasqal and Redland
+</A><A NAME="6798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006799.html">[Mageia-dev] Revert of Rasqal and Redland
+</A><A NAME="6799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006800.html">[Mageia-dev] Revert of Rasqal and Redland
+</A><A NAME="6800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006961.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: gtk-doc proposed changes
+</A><A NAME="6961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006962.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: gtk-doc proposed changes
+</A><A NAME="6962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006963.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: gtk-doc proposed changes
+</A><A NAME="6963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006356.html">[Mageia-dev] Rpmlint rejection of percent in the summary and name, svn one word commit
+</A><A NAME="6356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006357.html">[Mageia-dev] Rpmlint rejection of percent in the summary and name, svn one word commit
+</A><A NAME="6357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007090.html">[Mageia-dev] Running X11 apps from the console after exporting DISPLAY
+</A><A NAME="7090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007097.html">[Mageia-dev] Running X11 apps from the console after exporting DISPLAY
+</A><A NAME="7097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007098.html">[Mageia-dev] Running X11 apps from the console after exporting DISPLAY
+</A><A NAME="7098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007106.html">[Mageia-dev] Running X11 apps from the console after exporting DISPLAY
+</A><A NAME="7106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006641.html">[Mageia-dev] Second .spec generic question
+</A><A NAME="6641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006643.html">[Mageia-dev] Second .spec generic question
+</A><A NAME="6643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007026.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007028.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007029.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007030.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007032.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007034.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007035.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007036.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007038.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007039.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007041.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007043.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007045.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007046.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007050.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007051.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007052.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007053.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007054.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007055.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007057.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007059.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007060.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007061.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007063.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007064.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007065.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007066.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007067.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007069.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007070.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007076.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007077.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007078.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007079.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006488.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006486.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006602.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006879.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006468.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006483.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006484.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006485.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006495.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006510.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006595.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006598.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006601.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006603.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006886.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006466.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006489.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006599.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006236.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion: revert tcl and tk into stable 8.5
+</A><A NAME="6236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006239.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion: revert tcl and tk into stable 8.5
+</A><A NAME="6239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006240.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion: revert tcl and tk into stable 8.5
+</A><A NAME="6240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006404.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006421.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006427.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006428.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006434.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006439.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007117.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007125.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007126.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007088.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007099.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007101.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006448.html">[Mageia-dev] task-kde4*
+</A><A NAME="6448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006449.html">[Mageia-dev] task-kde4*
+</A><A NAME="6449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006450.html">[Mageia-dev] task-kde4*
+</A><A NAME="6450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007012.html">[Mageia-dev] The triage team.
+</A><A NAME="7012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007017.html">[Mageia-dev] The triage team.
+</A><A NAME="7017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006411.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="6411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006415.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="6415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006624.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="6624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006640.html">[Mageia-dev] Upcoming German Linux Event in August
+</A><A NAME="6640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007003.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007004.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007005.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007006.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007010.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007011.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007013.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007014.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007015.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007016.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007018.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007019.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007020.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007021.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007022.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007024.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007023.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007025.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007033.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007056.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007072.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007073.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007074.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007080.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007083.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007086.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007096.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007105.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007107.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007108.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007119.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007120.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007121.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007130.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006441.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006444.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006446.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006868.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006891.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006893.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006939.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006948.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006417.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006418.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006419.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006440.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006442.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006443.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006451.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006458.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006459.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stew Benedict
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006460.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006463.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006465.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006470.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006471.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006472.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006475.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006477.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006479.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006490.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006703.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006708.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006771.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006772.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006773.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006774.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006777.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006807.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007102.html">[Mageia-dev] Vacations
+</A><A NAME="7102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006682.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006683.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006684.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006685.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006686.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006706.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006784.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006877.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006878.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006887.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007316.html">[Mageia-dev] Where's Arnoud, the maintainer of the ARM-build for Mageia?
+</A><A NAME="7316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006493.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006496.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006504.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006506.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006507.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006523.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006380.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006383.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006384.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006385.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006386.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006388.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006397.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Jul 31 16:58:26 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Aug 10 18:33:19 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
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+ <h1>July 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Jul 1 00:11:12 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Jul 31 16:58:26 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 971<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01309471872- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006175.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 5
+</A><A NAME="6175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01309473290- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006176.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309473290-01309473765- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006178.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006180.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309475521- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006181.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006184.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006193.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006196.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006198.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705-01309502242- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006200.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705-01309502242-01309513000- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006207.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705-01309502242-01309513000-01309517781- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006210.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705-01309502242-01309513000-01309517781-01309519624- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006218.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705-01309502242-01309513000-01309517781-01309520711- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006217.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705-01309502242-01309513000-01309517781-01309520711-01309522039- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006221.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705-01309502242-01309513000-01309517781-01309520711-01309522039-01309522380- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006223.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705-01309502242-01309513000-01309517781-01309520711-01309522039-01309522380-01309523179- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006225.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705-01309502242-01309513000-01309517781-01309520711-01309522039-01309522380-01309523179-01309535070- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006237.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705-01309502242-01309513000-01309517781-01309520711-01309522039-01309522380-01309523179-01309535070-01309535868- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006241.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705-01309502242-01309513000-01309517781-01309520711-01309522039-01309522380-01309523179-01309535070-01309535868-01309541259- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006243.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705-01309502242-01309513000-01309517781-01309520711-01309522039-01309522380-01309523179-01309535070-01309535868-01309541259-01309541875- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006244.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705-01309502242-01309513000-01309517781-01309520711-01309522039-01309522380-01309523179-01309535070-01309535868-01309541259-01309592715- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006255.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705-01309502242-01309513000-01309517781-01309520711-01309522039-01309522380-01309523179-01309535070-01309535868-01309541259-01309592715-01309593572- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006256.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705-01309502242-01309513000-01309517781-01309520711-01309522039-01309522380-01309523179-01309535070-01309535868-01309541259-01309592715-01309593572-01309597537- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006257.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309473765-01309475446-01309479581-01309494098-01309498824-01309501705-01309502242-01309513000-01309517781-01309520711-01309522039-01309522380-01309523292- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006226.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01309473290-01309479283- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006183.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309473290-01309479283-01309493988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006191.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01309473290-01309479283-01309494419- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006194.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01309473290-01309479838- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006185.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309473290-01309479838-01309485219- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006187.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01309473290-01309479838-01309494066- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006192.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01309473290-01309479838-01309499545- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006197.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01309473290-01309541160- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006242.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006297.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309722838- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006298.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309722838-01309724004- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006299.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309727100- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006301.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309727100-01309728295- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006303.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006307.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006316.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006318.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309779251- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006319.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309779251-01309780300- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006321.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309779251-01309780300-01309782407- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006332.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309779688- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006320.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309779688-01309780390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006322.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309779688-01309780390-01309780810- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006324.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309779688-01309780390-01309780810-01309781025- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006325.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309779688-01309780390-01309780810-01309781025-01309781879- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006328.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309779688-01309780390-01309780810-01309781025-01309781879-01309782038- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006330.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309779688-01309780390-01309780810-01309781025-01309781879-01309782395- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006333.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309779688-01309780390-01309780810-01309781025-01309781950- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006329.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309779688-01309780390-01309780810-01309781025-01309781950-01309782472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006334.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309779688-01309780390-01309780810-01309781025-01309781950-01309782472-01309783257- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006335.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309779688-01309780390-01309781424- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006326.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309779688-01309780390-01309781424-01309808124- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006347.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309779688-01309780390-01309781424-01309808124-01309812919- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006349.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309473290-01309541160-01309722053-01309751932-01309776960-01309778578-01309780586- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006323.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309473689- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006177.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to Gnome 3.1
+</A><A NAME="6177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309473689-01309475104- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006179.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to Gnome 3.1
+</A><A NAME="6179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309473689-01309475104-01309518950- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006211.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to Gnome 3.1
+</A><A NAME="6211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309475999- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006182.html">[Mageia-dev] [115962]
+</A><A NAME="6182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Z&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309475999-01309508294- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006203.html">[Mageia-dev] [115962]
+</A><A NAME="6203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309475999-01309508294-01309514821- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006208.html">[Mageia-dev] [115962]
+</A><A NAME="6208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01309475999-01309508294-01309519521- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006215.html">[Mageia-dev] [115962]
+</A><A NAME="6215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309483460- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006186.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309483460-01309489728- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006188.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309483460-01309489728-01309491317- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006189.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309483460-01309489728-01309491317-01309493546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006190.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309483460-01309489728-01309491317-01309493546-01309568039- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006252.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl not found
+</A><A NAME="6252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309496445- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006195.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309496445-01309512287- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006206.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309496445-01309512287-01309516618- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006209.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309496445-01309512287-01309516618-01309520543- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006216.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309496445-01309512287-01309516618-01309520543-01309521742- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006220.html">[Mageia-dev] About the input method in KDE
+</A><A NAME="6220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309502078- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006199.html">[Mageia-dev] [117096] rebuild
+</A><A NAME="6199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01309502660- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006201.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309502660-01309519015- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006212.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309502660-01309519015-01309519262- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006213.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309502660-01309519015-01309519262-01309521143- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006219.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309502660-01309519015-01309519262-01309521143-01309522220- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006222.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309502660-01309519015-01309519262-01309528118- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006231.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309502660-01309519015-01309519262-01309528118-01309531084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006232.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309502660-01309519015-01309519262-01309528118-01309531084-01309533639- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006234.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309502660-01309519015-01309519262-01309528118-01309531084-01309533639-01309535228- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006238.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309502660-01309519015-01309519262-01309528118-01309531084-01309533639-01309535228-01309550968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006246.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309506275- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006202.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309506275-01309519423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006214.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309511792- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006204.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 technical specifications
+</A><A NAME="6204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309511792-01309512062- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006205.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 technical specifications
+</A><A NAME="6205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309511792-01309512062-01309620734- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006276.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 technical specifications
+</A><A NAME="6276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309523149- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006224.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309523149-01309550889- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006245.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309523149-01309550889-01309551730- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006247.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01309523149-01309550889-01309733227- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006304.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309523149-01309550889-01309733227-01311279244- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006943.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309523149-01309550889-01309733227-01311279244-01311284793- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006947.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309523149-01309550889-01309733227-01311279244-01311284793-01311313407- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006952.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309523149-01309550889-01309733227-01311279244-01311284793-01311313407-01311316100- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006954.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309523149-01309550889-01309733227-01311279244-01311284793-01311592169- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006989.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309523149-01309550889-01309733227-01311279244-01311315896- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006953.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309523149-01309550889-01309733227-01311279244-01311327594- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006959.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309523149-01309550889-01309733227-01311279244-01311327594-01311424697- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006971.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309523149-01309550889-01309733227-01311279244-01311327594-01311424697-01311491445- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006978.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="6978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309524139- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006227.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309524139-01309524271- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006228.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309524139-01309524271-01309524643- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006229.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309524139-01309524271-01309524643-01310338005- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006518.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309524139-01309524271-01309524643-01310338005-01310361220- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006521.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309524139-01309524271-01309524643-01310338005-01310361220-01310511597- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006568.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309524139-01309524271-01309524643-01310338005-01310375806- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006522.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Update to gnome 31
+</A><A NAME="6522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309527890- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006230.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309527890-01309532870- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006233.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309527890-01309532870-01309534372- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006235.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309527890-01309532870-01309534372-01309553369- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006248.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309527890-01309532870-01309534372-01309553369-01309561620- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006249.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309527890-01309532870-01309534372-01309553369-01309561620-01309561889- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006250.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309527890-01309532870-01309534372-01309553369-01309561620-01309561889-01309568544- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006253.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309527890-01309532870-01309534372-01309553369-01309561620-01309561889-01309568544-01309688584- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006289.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309527890-01309532870-01309534372-01309553369-01309561620-01309561889-01309568544-01309688584-01309688687- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006290.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309527890-01309532870-01309534372-01309553369-01309561620-01309561889-01309568544-01309688584-01309709496- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006291.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309527890-01309532870-01309534372-01309553369-01309561620-01309561889-01309568544-01309756755- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006308.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309527890-01309532870-01309534372-01309553369-01309561620-01309561889-01309568544-01309756755-01309760895- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006310.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309527890-01309532870-01309534372-01309553369-01309561620-01309561889-01309568544-01309756755-01309760895-01309765021- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006312.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309527890-01309532870-01309534372-01309553369-01309561620-01309561889-01309568544-01309756755-01309760895-01309765021-01309820953- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006353.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309527890-01309532870-01309534372-01309553369-01309561620-01309561889-01309568544-01309756755-01309760895-01309765021-01309820953-01309826851- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006358.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309534581- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006236.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion: revert tcl and tk into stable 8.5
+</A><A NAME="6236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309534581-01309535493- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006239.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion: revert tcl and tk into stable 8.5
+</A><A NAME="6239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01309534581-01309535756- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006240.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggestion: revert tcl and tk into stable 8.5
+</A><A NAME="6240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309562113- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006251.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309562113-01309569042- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006254.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309597646- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006258.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309597646-01309597977- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006259.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309597646-01309597977-01309598966- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006260.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309597646-01309597977-01309598966-01309599095- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006261.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309597646-01309597977-01309598966-01309599095-01309599545- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006262.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309597646-01309597977-01309598966-01309599095-01309599545-01309599777- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006263.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309597646-01309597977-01309598966-01309599095-01309599545-01309599777-01309600033- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006264.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309597646-01309597977-01309598966-01309599095-01309599545-01309599777-01309600033-01309600313- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006265.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309597646-01309597977-01309598966-01309599095-01309599545-01309599777-01309600033-01309600398- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006266.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309597646-01309597977-01309598966-01309599095-01309599545-01309600947- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006268.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309597646-01309597977-01309598966-01309599095-01309599545-01309600947-01309605658- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006270.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309597646-01309597977-01309598966-01309599095-01309599545-01309600947-01309605658-01309606153- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006271.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309597646-01309597977-01309598966-01309599095-01309599545-01309600947-01309614550- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006273.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309597646-01309597977-01309598966-01309599095-01309599545-01309600947-01309614550-01309616602- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006274.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309597646-01309597977-01309598966-01309599095-01309599545-01309600947-01309614550-01309616602-01309620177- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006275.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309597646-01309597977-01309598966-01309599095-01309599545-01309600947-01309614550-01309622736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006277.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309597646-01309597977-01309598966-01309599095-01309599545-01309600947-01309614550-01309622736-01309623439- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006278.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309597646-01309597977-01309598966-01309599095-01309599545-01309600947-01309614550-01309622736-01309623439-01309633320- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006282.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia Cauldron: Bad RPM's while update via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="6282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309600827- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006267.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309600827-01309605615- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006269.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01309600827-01309613873- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006272.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309600827-01309613873-01309631272- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006280.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309600827-01309613873-01309631272-01309638098- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006284.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309600827-01309613873-01309631272-01309638189- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006305.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309600827-01309613873-01309631272-01309638189-01309760712- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006309.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309600827-01309613873-01309631272-01309638189-01309763755- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006311.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309600827-01309613873-01309631272-01309638189-01309763755-01309800855- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006344.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309600827-01309613873-01309631272-01309800553- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006343.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309600827-01309613873-01309631272-01309800553-01309802846- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006345.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309600827-01309613873-01309631272-01309800553-01309802846-01309804301- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006346.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309600827-01309613873-01309631272-01309800553-01309802846-01309804301-01309809434- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006348.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309600827-01309613873-01309631272-01309800553-01309802846-01309804301-01309809434-01309821352- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006354.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309600827-01309613873-01309631272-01309800553-01309802846-01309804301-01309809434-01309821352-01309974103- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006420.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309600827-01309613873-01309631272-01309800553-01309802846-01309804301-01309809434-01309821907- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006355.html">[Mageia-dev] How to add package into backports_testing
+</A><A NAME="6355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309626437- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006279.html">[Mageia-dev] mdv update problem
+</A><A NAME="6279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309626437-01309633085- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006281.html">[Mageia-dev] mdv update problem
+</A><A NAME="6281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309626437-01309633085-01309634815- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006283.html">[Mageia-dev] mdv update problem
+</A><A NAME="6283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01309626437-01309671838- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006286.html">[Mageia-dev] mdv update problem
+</A><A NAME="6286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309651564- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006285.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309651564-01309682278- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006287.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309651564-01309682278-01309687531- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006288.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309651564-01309682278-01309687531-01309711336- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006293.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309651564-01309682278-01309687531-01309711336-01309750842- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006306.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01309651564-01309682278-01309711713- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006294.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309651564-01309682278-01309711713-01309712373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006295.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309651564-01309682278-01309711713-01309712373-01309719868- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006296.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309651564-01309682278-01309711713-01309712373-01309719868-01309724461- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006300.html">[Mageia-dev] packages-mentoring wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309709565- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006292.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7 RC1 landing on cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01309727130- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006302.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="6302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01309772525- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006313.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release handbrake-0.9.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309772525-01309774005- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006314.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release handbrake-0.9.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01309772525-01309776512- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006315.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release handbrake-0.9.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309772525-01309776512-01309782206- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006331.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release handbrake-0.9.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309778052- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006317.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309778052-01309790080- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006339.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01309778052-01309816200- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006350.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309778052-01309816200-01309819424- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006351.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309778052-01309816200-01309819424-01309819557- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006352.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing deps strike again
+</A><A NAME="6352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309781524- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006327.html">[Mageia-dev] Arm, meeting, etc
+</A><A NAME="6327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309781524-01309784528- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006338.html">[Mageia-dev] Arm, meeting, etc
+</A><A NAME="6338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01309781524-01309985128- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006426.html">[Mageia-dev] Arm, meeting, etc
+</A><A NAME="6426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309781524-01309985128-01310058616- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006447.html">[Mageia-dev] Arm, meeting, etc
+</A><A NAME="6447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309783673- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006336.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309783673-01309784084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006337.html">[Mageia-dev] Anybody having high CPU by kded4 after upgrading to 4.6.90?
+</A><A NAME="6337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309792523- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006340.html">[Mageia-dev] libgcr-3_%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm and libgck%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</A><A NAME="6340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309792523-01309796357- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006341.html">[Mageia-dev] libgcr-3_%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm and libgck%{lib_major}-3.1.1-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</A><A NAME="6341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309800367- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006342.html">[Mageia-dev] End of the problem on BS
+</A><A NAME="6342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01309825178- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006356.html">[Mageia-dev] Rpmlint rejection of percent in the summary and name, svn one word commit
+</A><A NAME="6356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309825178-01309826464- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006357.html">[Mageia-dev] Rpmlint rejection of percent in the summary and name, svn one word commit
+</A><A NAME="6357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309851950- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006359.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309851950-01309853044- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006360.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309851950-01309853044-01309855806- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006361.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01309851950-01309859408- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006364.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309851950-01309859408-01309859658- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006366.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309851950-01309859408-01309859658-01309860119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006367.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01309851950-01309917370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006375.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309851950-01309917370-01309926640- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006376.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309851950-01309917370-01309926640-01309930361- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006377.html">[Mageia-dev] Introducing several rpm macro
+</A><A NAME="6377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309856237- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006362.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release cogl-1.7.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01309856675- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006363.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309856675-01309859415- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006365.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309856675-01309859415-01309956042- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006403.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309856675-01309859415-01309956042-01309957765- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006406.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309856675-01309859415-01309956042-01309957765-01309958605- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006410.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309856675-01309859415-01309956042-01309957765-01309958605-01309974788- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006422.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309856675-01309859415-01309956042-01309957765-01309958605-01310009921- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006431.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309856675-01309859415-01309956042-01309958479- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006409.html">[Mageia-dev] gstreamer packaging too split?
+</A><A NAME="6409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309865938- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006368.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309865938-01309866517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006369.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309865938-01309866517-01309866968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006370.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01309865938-01309875753- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006371.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309865938-01309875753-01309886864- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006372.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309865938-01309875753-01309886864-01309888922- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006373.html">[Mageia-dev] Coherence Test Content
+</A><A NAME="6373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309897596- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006374.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309897596-01309947888- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006389.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309897596-01309947888-01309948107- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006390.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309897596-01309947888-01309948107-01309948783- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006392.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309897596-01309947888-01309948107-01309948783-01309949724- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006393.html">[Mageia-dev] ksnapshot conflicts with kdegraphics4-devel
+</A><A NAME="6393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309944089- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006378.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309944089-01309944596- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006379.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309944089-01309944596-01309945597- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006381.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release logrotate-3.8.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309945363- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006380.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309945363-01309946416- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006383.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309945363-01309946416-01309946650- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006384.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309945363-01309946416-01309946650-01309946872- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006385.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309945363-01309946416-01309946650-01309946890- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006386.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309945363-01309946416-01309946650-01309946890-01309947126- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006388.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309945363-01309946416-01309946650-01309946890-01309947126-01309953597- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006397.html">[Mageia-dev] xcb-util update, which broke the BS
+</A><A NAME="6397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309946268- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006382.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309946268-01309947046- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006387.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309946268-01309947046-01309948772- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006391.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01309946268-01309947046-01309952421- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006394.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309952421-01309952900- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006395.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006396.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006398.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006399.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955201-01309955862- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006402.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006400.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006405.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309960243- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006414.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309967822- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006416.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006425.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006430.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006432.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006437.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006438.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006457.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006462.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006464.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006469.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006473.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006474.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006476.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006492.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310206532- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006499.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310206532-01310434924- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006526.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310206532-01310434924-01310467730- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006530.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310207571- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006500.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310207571-01310434890- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006525.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310207571-01310434890-01310462184- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006529.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310207571-01310434890-01310462184-01310503738- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006555.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310207571-01310434890-01310462184-01310503738-01310504734- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006556.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310207571-01310434890-01310462184-01310503738-01310504734-01310629393- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006632.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310207571-01310434890-01310462184-01310503738-01310504734-01310629393-01311671971- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007001.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="7001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310207571-01310434890-01310462184-01310503738-01310504927- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006558.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310207571-01310434890-01310462184-01310503738-01310504927-01310505769- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006561.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310207571-01310434890-01310462184-01310503738-01310504927-01310505769-01310531924- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006570.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310207571-01310434890-01310462184-01310503738-01310505267- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006559.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310207571-01310434890-01310462184-01310503738-01310505267-01310532927- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006571.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310207571-01310434890-01310462184-01310503738-01310505628- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006560.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310207571-01310434890-01310462184-01310503738-01310505628-01310507555- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006562.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310009300-01310011166-01310025852-01310026129-01310080682-01310086448-01310094892-01310109167-01310114527-01310114966-01310116598-01310166246-01310207571-01310434890-01310462184-01310503738-01310505628-01310507555-01310507751- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006563.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309953899-01309955254-01309957454-01309982091-01310015463- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006435.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309946268-01309947046-01309953503-01309955365- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006401.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309956247- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006404.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309956247-01309974676- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006421.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01309956247-01309985950- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006427.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01309956247-01309996069- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006428.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309956247-01309996069-01310015270- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006434.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309956247-01309996069-01310015270-01310036587- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006439.html">[Mageia-dev] Summary of the release cycle decision
+</A><A NAME="6439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309957770- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006407.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for victim^w^wvolunteer for Texlive package
+</A><A NAME="6407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309957770-01309958091- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006408.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for victim^w^wvolunteer for Texlive package
+</A><A NAME="6408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309957770-01309958091-01309959191- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006412.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for victim^w^wvolunteer for Texlive package
+</A><A NAME="6412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309957770-01309958091-01309959191-01309959325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006413.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for victim^w^wvolunteer for Texlive package
+</A><A NAME="6413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309959030- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006411.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="6411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309959030-01309960210- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006415.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="6415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309968764- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006417.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01309968764-01309970590- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006418.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01309968764-01309972482- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006419.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01309968764-01309972482-01310041137- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006440.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01309968764-01309972482-01310041137-01310042652- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006442.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309968764-01309972482-01310041137-01310042652-01310047623- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006443.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309968764-01309972482-01310041137-01310042652-01310047623-01310069045- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006451.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309968764-01309972482-01310041137-01310042652-01310047623-01310069045-01310098958- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006465.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309968764-01309972482-01310041137-01310042652-01310047623-01310069045-01310098958-01310113216- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006471.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309968764-01309972482-01310041137-01310042652-01310047623-01310069045-01310098958-01310113216-01310115098- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006475.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309968764-01309972482-01310041137-01310042652-01310047623-01310069045-01310098958-01310113375- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006472.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309968764-01309972482-01310041137-01310042652-01310047623-01310081912- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006458.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309968764-01309972482-01310041137-01310042652-01310047623-01310081912-01310083294- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006459.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stew Benedict
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309968764-01309972482-01310041137-01310042652-01310047623-01310081912-01310083294-01310084193- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006460.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309968764-01309972482-01310041137-01310042652-01310047623-01310081912-01310083294-01310093435- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006463.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309968764-01309972482-01310041137-01310042652-01310047623-01310081912-01310083294-01310109690- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006470.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309968764-01309972482-01310041137-01310042652-01310047623-01310081912-01310117979- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006477.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309968764-01309972482-01310041137-01310042652-01310047623-01310081912-01310117979-01310119990- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006479.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01309968764-01309972482-01310041137-01310042652-01310047623-01310081912-01310117979-01310119990-01310158291- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006490.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates testing
+</A><A NAME="6490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01309975597- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006423.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-control-center-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01309975664- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006424.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-settings-daemon-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01309999995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006429.html">[Mageia-dev] extremetuxracer - Bug 1580. More testers wanted.
+</A><A NAME="6429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310013524- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006433.html">[Mageia-dev] openldap-server needs rebuild agains new db51
+</A><A NAME="6433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310013524-01310017170- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006436.html">[Mageia-dev] openldap-server needs rebuild agains new db51
+</A><A NAME="6436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01310013524-01310051201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006445.html">[Mageia-dev] openldap-server needs rebuild agains new db51
+</A><A NAME="6445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310013524-01310051201-01310085893- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006461.html">[Mageia-dev] openldap-server needs rebuild agains new db51
+</A><A NAME="6461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310042538- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006441.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310042538-01310042807- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006444.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310042538-01310042807-01310054224- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006446.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310042538-01310995519- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006868.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310042538-01310995519-01311068281- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006891.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310042538-01310995519-01311068281-01311068964- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006893.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310042538-01310995519-01311068281-01311068964-01311252428- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006939.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310042538-01310995519-01311068281-01311068964-01311252428-01311287358- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006948.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates process is now available
+</A><A NAME="6948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310061915- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006448.html">[Mageia-dev] task-kde4*
+</A><A NAME="6448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310061915-01310063961- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006449.html">[Mageia-dev] task-kde4*
+</A><A NAME="6449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310061915-01310063961-01310065628- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006450.html">[Mageia-dev] task-kde4*
+</A><A NAME="6450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310071835- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006452.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310071835-01310074144- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006453.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310071835-01310074144-01310074726- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006454.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310071835-01310074144-01310074726-01310074810- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006455.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cazzaniga Sandro
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310071835-01310074144-01310074726-01310074810-01310074865- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006456.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310071835-01310074144-01310074726-01310120896- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006480.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310071835-01310074144-01310074726-01310120896-01310122499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006481.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cazzaniga Sandro
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01310071835-01310074144-01310106413- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006467.html">[Mageia-dev] PPA-like repos
+</A><A NAME="6467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310099842- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006466.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310099842-01310106460- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006468.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01310099842-01310125488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006483.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310099842-01310125488-01310128032- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006484.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310099842-01310135260- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006485.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310099842-01310135260-01310144549- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006489.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310099842-01310139115- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006486.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310099842-01310139115-01310139873- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006488.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01310099842-01310139115-01310194329- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006495.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310099842-01310285001- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006510.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310099842-01310285001-01310551370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006595.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310099842-01310285001-01310551370-01310552061- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006598.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310099842-01310285001-01310551370-01310552126- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006599.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310099842-01310285001-01310551370-01310552126-01310553117- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006601.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310099842-01310285001-01310551370-01310553258- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006602.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310099842-01310285001-01310551370-01310553258-01310553682- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006603.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310099842-01310285001-01310551370-01310553258-01310553682-01311021433- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006879.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310099842-01310285001-01310551370-01310553258-01310553682-01311021433-01311057144- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006886.html">[Mageia-dev] Standardising the virtual Provides in -devel packages
+</A><A NAME="6886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310119412- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006478.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia educational - part 2
+</A><A NAME="6478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310119412-01310164959- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006491.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia educational - part 2
+</A><A NAME="6491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310122912- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006482.html">[Mageia-dev] Out of town until 18/07
+</A><A NAME="6482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310132110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006890.html">[Mageia-dev] An Mageia-made RPM of cross-mipsel-binutils is wished for ASAP
+</A><A NAME="6890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310139327- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006487.html">[Mageia-dev] A tool to help spotting backports needs
+</A><A NAME="6487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310183721- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006493.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310183721-01310195194- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006496.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310183721-01310195194-01310228416- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006504.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310183721-01310195194-01310228416-01310228719- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006506.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310183721-01310195194-01310228416-01310228719-01310230585- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006507.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310183721-01310195194-01310228416-01310228719-01310230585-01310389138- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006523.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong detection on rpmlint's unexpanded-macro
+</A><A NAME="6523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310193894- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006494.html">[Mageia-dev] [120818] new version 2.4.1.90
+</A><A NAME="6494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310195574- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006497.html">[Mageia-dev] Change mandriva svn url in http://check.mageia.org
+</A><A NAME="6497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310196340- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006498.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 1525
+</A><A NAME="6498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310196340-01310221370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006503.html">[Mageia-dev] IDE/SATA CDROM devices and user permissions problem (udev/kernel related?) (was Re: Bug 1525)
+</A><A NAME="6503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310196340-01310221370-01310228506- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006505.html">[Mageia-dev] IDE/SATA CDROM devices and user permissions problem (udev/kernel related?) (was Re: Bug 1525)
+</A><A NAME="6505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310215574- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006501.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310215574-01310216062- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006502.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01310215574-01310771901- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006689.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01310215574-01310780421- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006700.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01310215574-01310811865- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006720.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310215574-01310811865-01310839257- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006787.html">[Mageia-dev] Ownership of /usr/share/man/XX, %find_lang --with-man
+</A><A NAME="6787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310266537- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006508.html">[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</A><A NAME="6508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310266537-01310278805- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006509.html">[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</A><A NAME="6509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310266537-01310278805-01310290587- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006511.html">[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</A><A NAME="6511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310266537-01310278805-01310290587-01310291772- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006512.html">[Mageia-dev] [101505] Revert rpm5 stuffs and sync with fedora
+</A><A NAME="6512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310291970- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006513.html">[Mageia-dev] Request for package review: rss2email &amp; python-html2text
+</A><A NAME="6513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310319516- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006514.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310319516-01310319953- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006515.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310319516-01310319953-01310492086- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006551.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310319516-01310325456- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006516.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310319516-01310325456-01310329298- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006517.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310319516-01310325456-01310329298-01310339059- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006519.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310319516-01310325456-01310329298-01310339059-01310339456- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006520.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa update needed
+</A><A NAME="6520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310428558- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006524.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7RC2 update
+</A><A NAME="6524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310428558-01310461067- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006528.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7RC2 update
+</A><A NAME="6528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310428558-01310461067-01310468197- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006531.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7RC2 update
+</A><A NAME="6531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310428558-01310504721- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006557.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7RC2 update
+</A><A NAME="6557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310458433- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006527.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-l10n-5.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310458433-01310479498- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006542.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-l10n-5.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310472678- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006532.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310472678-01310472918- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006533.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310472678-01310472918-01310474002- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006535.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01310472678-01310472918-01310474303- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006536.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474303-01310474475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006537.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006538.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006628.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310609241- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006629.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310609241-01310691117- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006654.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310635508- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006631.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310635508-01310643092- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006638.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310678797- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006642.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310678797-01310683210- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006644.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310678797-01310683210-01310724106- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006663.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310678797-01310683210-01310724106-01310736235- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006673.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310678797-01310683210-01310724106-01310736235-01310740262- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006675.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310678797-01310683210-01310724106-01310736235-01310740262-01310807893- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006712.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310678797-01310683265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006645.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310678797-01310683265-01310684034- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006646.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310678797-01310683265-01310684034-01310684680- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006647.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310678797-01310683265-01310684034-01310684680-01310684897- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006648.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310678797-01310683265-01310684034-01310684680-01310684897-01310686663- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006651.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310678797-01310683265-01310684034-01310684680-01310684897-01310686663-01310687058- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006652.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310678797-01310684918- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006649.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310678797-01310684918-01310685040- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006650.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310678797-01310684918-01310685040-01310713417- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006656.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310777627- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006691.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310777627-01310780991- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006701.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310777627-01310827057- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006770.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310777627-01310827057-01310871087- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006809.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310472678-01310472918-01310474881-01310608027-01310777627-01310827057-01310889557- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006813.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd
+</A><A NAME="6813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310473471- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006534.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove bobobot from distribution ?
+</A><A NAME="6534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310473471-01310475066- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006539.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove bobobot from distribution ?
+</A><A NAME="6539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310475826- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006540.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310475826-01310503729- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006554.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01310475826-01310541186- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006573.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310475826-01310541186-01310543476- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006576.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310475826-01310541186-01310543476-01310551890- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006597.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310475826-01310541186-01310543476-01310779945- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006698.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310475826-01310541186-01310543476-01310779945-01310892477- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006814.html">[Mageia-dev] Python Packaging Policy
+</A><A NAME="6814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310476372- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006541.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310476372-01310480971- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006543.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310476372-01310480971-01310482059- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006544.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310476372-01310480971-01310482059-01310501657- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006552.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01310476372-01310480971-01310503719- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006553.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01310476372-01310480971-01310510864- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006566.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310476372-01310480971-01310510864-01310543757- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006578.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310476372-01310480971-01310510864-01310543757-01310780135- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006699.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310476372-01310480971-01310510864-01310543757-01310780135-01310871183- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006810.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310476372-01310543945- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006579.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310476372-01310543945-01310544269- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006580.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications ] Grub2
+</A><A NAME="6580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310482533- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006545.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo howto
+</A><A NAME="6545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310482533-01310487571- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006546.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo howto
+</A><A NAME="6546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310482533-01310487571-01310491110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006550.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo howto
+</A><A NAME="6550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01310482533-01310487571-01310545262- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006582.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo howto
+</A><A NAME="6582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310486656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006547.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310486656-01310489460- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006548.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01310486656-01310560046- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006610.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310486656-01310560046-01310560164- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006611.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310486656-01310630855- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006633.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310486656-01310630855-01310639140- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006635.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310489484- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006549.html">[Mageia-dev] [123240] new version 2.0 rc
+</A><A NAME="6549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310509841- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006564.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310509841-01310547550- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006587.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310509841-01310547550-01310551880- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006596.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310509841-01310547550-01310551880-01310554056- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006604.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310547550-01310551880-01310554056-01310558035- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006608.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310547550-01310551880-01310554056-01310558035-01310559720- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006609.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310547550-01310551880-01310554056-01310558035-01310559720-01310562117- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006612.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310547550-01310551880-01310554056-01310558035-01310559720-01310562117-01310573371- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006621.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310547550-01310551880-01310778141- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006694.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310547550-01310551880-01310778141-01310808998- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006713.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310547550-01310551880-01310778141-01310808998-01310811622- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006719.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310547550-01310551880-01310778141-01310808998-01310811622-01310812482- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006722.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310547550-01310551880-01310778141-01310808998-01310811622-01310812482-01310814822- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006734.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310547550-01310551880-01310778141-01310815875- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006740.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310547550-01310551880-01310778141-01310815875-01310825930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006769.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310547550-01310551880-01310778141-01310815875-01310825930-01310874021- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006811.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310547550-01310551880-01310778141-01311847736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007084.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="7084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310509841-01310554768- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006605.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310509841-01310554768-01310557922- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006606.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310509841-01310563656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006614.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310509841-01310563656-01310564087- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006616.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310509841-01310563656-01310564087-01310566619- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006619.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310563656-01310564087-01310566619-01310567701- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006620.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310509841-01310578585- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006622.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310509841-01310578585-01310582790- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006623.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310509841-01310578585-01310582790-01310584248- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006625.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310578585-01310582790-01310584248-01310778266- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006695.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310578585-01310582790-01310585517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006626.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310578585-01310582790-01310585517-01310779638- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006696.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310578585-01310582790-01310585517-01310779638-01310814554- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006731.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310509841-01310598531- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006627.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310509841-01310598531-01310634784- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006630.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310509841-01310598531-01310634784-01310638708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006634.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310598531-01310634784-01310638708-01310640397- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006636.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310598531-01310634784-01310638708-01310640397-01310641085- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006637.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310598531-01310634784-01310638708-01310640397-01310641085-01310646052- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006639.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310509841-01310722020- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006659.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01310509841-01310778013- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006693.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310509841-01310778013-01310783254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006702.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310509841-01310778013-01310783254-01310806512- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006709.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310509841-01310778013-01310783254-01310806512-01310807685- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006711.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310509841-01311147460- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006907.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310509841-01311147460-01311864645- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007100.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="7100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310509977- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006565.html">[Mageia-dev] new mgarepo version
+</A><A NAME="6565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310511122- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006567.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="6567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310522167- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006569.html">[Mageia-dev] kolab/horde upgrades
+</A><A NAME="6569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310534437- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006572.html">[Mageia-dev] remove package
+</A><A NAME="6572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310543277- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006574.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310543277-01310543514- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006577.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310543341- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006575.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310543341-01310544837- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006581.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01310543341-01310545444- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006583.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01310543341-01310558019- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006607.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310543341-01310558019-01310562178- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006613.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01310543341-01310558019-01310563972- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006615.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310543341-01310558019-01310563972-01310564091- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006617.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dexter Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310543341-01310558019-01310563972-01310564091-01310779820- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006697.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310543341-01310558019-01310563972-01310564091-01310779820-01310811472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006718.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310543341-01310558019-01310563972-01310564091-01310779820-01310811472-01310813753- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006726.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310543341-01310558019-01310563972-01310565832- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006618.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01310543341-01310558019-01311326590- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006957.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release unknown-horizons-2011-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310546623- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006584.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310546623-01310547391- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006585.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310546623-01310547391-01310548651- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006589.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310546623-01310547391-01310548651-01310548879- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006590.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310546623-01310547391-01310548651-01310548879-01310549531- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006592.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310546623-01310547391-01310548651-01310549100- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006591.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310546623-01310547391-01310548651-01310549100-01310549736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006593.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310546623-01310547391-01310548651-01310549100-01310549736-01310550873- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006594.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310546623-01310547391-01310548651-01310549100-01310549736-01310550873-01310552536- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006600.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310546623-01310547516- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006586.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01310546623-01310547584- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006588.html">[Mageia-dev] Generic 64-bit building question
+</A><A NAME="6588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310583684- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006624.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="6624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310665140- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006640.html">[Mageia-dev] Upcoming German Linux Event in August
+</A><A NAME="6640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310670235- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006641.html">[Mageia-dev] Second .spec generic question
+</A><A NAME="6641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310670235-01310680405- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006643.html">[Mageia-dev] Second .spec generic question
+</A><A NAME="6643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310688558- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006653.html">[Mageia-dev] Flash player 11
+</A><A NAME="6653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310688558-01310710856- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006655.html">[Mageia-dev] Flash player 11
+</A><A NAME="6655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310716035- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006657.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310716035-01310771640- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006687.html">[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator
+</A><A NAME="6687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310717432- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006658.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310717432-01310722464- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006660.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310717432-01310722464-01310722994- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006661.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310717432-01310722464-01310722994-01310732271- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006668.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310717432-01310722464-01310722994-01310732271-01310732423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006669.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310717432-01310722464-01310722994-01310732271-01310732423-01310734066- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006671.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310717432-01310723705- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006662.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310717432-01310723705-01310726269- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006665.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310717432-01310723705-01310726269-01310727472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006666.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310717432-01310723705-01310726269-01310729852- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006667.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310717432-01310723705-01310726269-01310729852-01310812336- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006721.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310717432-01310725789- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006664.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefano Negro
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01310717432-01310777856- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006692.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310717432-01310777856-01310803025- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006704.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310717432-01310777856-01310803025-01310803604- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006705.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310717432-01310777856-01310803025-01310803656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006707.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310717432-01310777856-01310803025-01310809629- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006715.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310717432-01310777856-01310803025-01310809629-01310812938- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006723.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310717432-01310777856-01310803025-01310809629-01310899773- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006819.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310717432-01310777856-01310803025-01310809629-01310899773-01310923483- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006833.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310717432-01310807484- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006710.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310717432-01310807484-01310817758- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006750.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310717432-01310807484-01310817758-01310818678- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006755.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310717432-01310807484-01310817758-01310818678-01310900968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006820.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310717432-01310807484-01310817758-01310818678-01310900968-01310904303- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006824.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01310717432-01310807484-01310931972- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006836.html">[Mageia-dev] Adobe Flash player 11 Beta 1 in Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310732886- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006670.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken BS
+</A><A NAME="6670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310736171- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006672.html">[Mageia-dev] BS fixed
+</A><A NAME="6672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310736334- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006674.html">[Mageia-dev] BS fixed
+</A><A NAME="6674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310740538- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006676.html">[Mageia-dev] broken libwordsexportfilters rpm
+</A><A NAME="6676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310740538-01310741734- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006677.html">[Mageia-dev] broken libwordsexportfilters rpm
+</A><A NAME="6677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310740538-01310741734-01310741912- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006679.html">[Mageia-dev] broken libwordsexportfilters rpm
+</A><A NAME="6679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310741736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006678.html">[Mageia-dev] %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="6678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310741736-01310742880- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006680.html">[Mageia-dev] %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="6680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310745336- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006681.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.0-rc7-git2 landing on Cauldron...
+</A><A NAME="6681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310745336-01311241204- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006935.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: kernel-3.0-rc7-git2 landing on Cauldron...
+</A><A NAME="6935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310754500- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006682.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310754500-01310756771- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006683.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310754500-01310756771-01310757405- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006684.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310754500-01310756771-01310757405-01310764840- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006685.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310754500-01310756771-01310757405-01310764840-01310769377- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006686.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310754500-01310756771-01310757405-01310764840-01310803619- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006706.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310754500-01310756771-01310757405-01310764840-01310803619-01310837944- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006784.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310754500-01310756771-01310757405-01310764840-01310803619-01310837944-01311017130- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006877.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310754500-01310756771-01310757405-01310764840-01310803619-01311018538- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006878.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310754500-01310756771-01310757405-01310764840-01310803619-01311018538-01311059979- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006887.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is the KDE WM ?
+</A><A NAME="6887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310771832- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006688.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310771832-01310777104- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006690.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310771832-01310777104-01310809359- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006714.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310771832-01310777104-01310809359-01310811135- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006716.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310771832-01310777104-01310809359-01310811135-01310811411- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006717.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310771832-01310777104-01310809359-01310811135-01310811411-01310814223- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006728.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310771832-01310777104-01310809359-01310811135-01310811411-01310814223-01310815312- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006736.html">[Mageia-dev] How to forbid submission of some tainted packages to core ?
+</A><A NAME="6736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310785631- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006703.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310785631-01310805197- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006708.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310785631-01310805197-01310827742- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006771.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310785631-01310805197-01310827742-01310829231- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006772.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310785631-01310805197-01310827742-01310829231-01310831635- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006773.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310785631-01310805197-01310827742-01310829231-01310831635-01310832136- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006774.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310785631-01310805197-01310827742-01310829231-01310831635-01310832136-01310832565- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006777.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310785631-01310805197-01310827742-01310829231-01310831635-01310832136-01310832565-01310870862- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006807.html">[Mageia-dev] util-linux vs util-linux-ng
+</A><A NAME="6807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310813244- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006724.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310813244-01310813572- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006725.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310813244-01310813572-01310813932- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006727.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310813244-01310813572-01310813932-01310814520- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006730.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310813244-01310814446- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006729.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310813244-01310814446-01310814572- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006733.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01310813244-01310814446-01310814908- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006735.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310814908-01310818262- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006753.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310814908-01310818262-01310818712- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006756.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310814908-01310818262-01310818712-01310819480- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006759.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310814908-01310818262-01310818740- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006757.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310814908-01310818262-01310818740-01310819250- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006758.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310814908-01310818262-01310818740-01310819250-01310820155- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006760.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310814908-01310818262-01310821427- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006761.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310814908-01310818262-01310823395- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006765.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01310813244-01310814446-01310815767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006739.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310815767-01310816043- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006742.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310815767-01310816246- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006743.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310815767-01310816246-01310817311- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006748.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310815767-01310816246-01310817311-01310817758- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006751.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310815767-01310816246-01310817311-01310837545- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006783.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310815767-01310816272- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006744.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310815767-01310823774- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006767.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310815767-01310896612- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006817.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814446-01310815767-01310896612-01310896756- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006818.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310813244-01310814569- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006732.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310813244-01310814569-01310815886- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006741.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814569-01310815886-01310816350- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006745.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814569-01310815886-01310816350-01310816782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006746.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814569-01310815886-01310816350-01310816782-01310817398- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006749.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814569-01310815886-01310816350-01310816782-01310817398-01310818499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006754.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310814569-01310815886-01310817290- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006747.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310813244-01310815292- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006737.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310813244-01310815292-01310823501- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006766.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310813244-01310815539- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006738.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01310813244-01310837049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006782.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310813244-01310837049-01310838511- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006785.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310813244-01310837049-01310838511-01310838803- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006786.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310837049-01310838511-01310838803-01310839938- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006789.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310837049-01310838511-01310838803-01310839938-01310840443- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006790.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310837049-01310838511-01310838803-01310839938-01310840443-01310844480- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006793.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310837049-01310838511-01310838803-01310839938-01310840443-01310844480-01310849514- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006795.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310837049-01310838511-01310838803-01310839938-01310840443-01310844480-01310849514-01310852012- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006797.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310837049-01310838511-01310838803-01310839938-01310840443-01310844480-01310849514-01310852012-01310855779- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006801.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310837049-01310838511-01310838803-01310839938-01310840443-01310844480-01310849514-01310852012-01310855779-01310856965- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006802.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310837049-01310838511-01310838803-01310839938-01310840689- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006791.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310837049-01310838511-01310839273- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006788.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310813244-01310837049-01310838511-01310841926- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006792.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310813244-01310907061- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006825.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310813244-01310907061-01310913446- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006829.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310813244-01310907061-01310913446-01310935960- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006838.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 3.0 is a big mistake in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="6838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310818169- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006752.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release pymecavideo-5.4-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310821430- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006762.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310821430-01310821996- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006763.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01310821430-01310823075- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006764.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01310821430-01310823800- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006768.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310821430-01310823800-01310832303- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006775.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310821430-01310823800-01310832303-01310833216- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006778.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310821430-01310823800-01310832303-01310833216-01310834216- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006779.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310821430-01310823800-01310832303-01310833216-01310834216-01310834551- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006780.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310821430-01310823800-01310832303-01310833216-01310834216-01310834551-01310835040- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006781.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310821430-01310823800-01310832303-01310833216-01310902940- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006821.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310821430-01310846012- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006794.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310821430-01310846012-01310846749- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006796.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Altizer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310821430-01310846012-01310846749-01310870789- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006806.html">[Mageia-dev] After last update net applet shows wrong status
+</A><A NAME="6806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310832400- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006776.html">[Mageia-dev] freezing (not totaly but making it unusable) mageia (and mandriva cooker) as guest using virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="6776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310832400-01310870919- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006808.html">[Mageia-dev] freezing (not totaly but making it unusable) mageia (and mandriva cooker) as guest using virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="6808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310832400-01310870919-01310917504- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006830.html">[Mageia-dev] freezing (not totaly but making it unusable) mageia (and mandriva cooker) as guest using virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="6830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310853747- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006798.html">[Mageia-dev] Revert of Rasqal and Redland
+</A><A NAME="6798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310853747-01310854447- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006799.html">[Mageia-dev] Revert of Rasqal and Redland
+</A><A NAME="6799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310853747-01310854447-01310855227- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006800.html">[Mageia-dev] Revert of Rasqal and Redland
+</A><A NAME="6800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310865972- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006803.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310865972-01310870555- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006805.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310865972-01310870555-01310893328- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006815.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310865972-01310870555-01310893328-01310894396- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006816.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310865972-01310904129- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006822.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310865972-01310904129-01310908832- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006826.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Brian Smith
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310865972-01310904129-01310908832-01310949294- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006848.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310865972-01310904129-01310908832-01310949294-01310978180- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006851.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310865972-01310904129-01310908832-01310949294-01310978180-01310978674- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006852.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310865972-01310904129-01310908832-01310949294-01310978180-01310978674-01310979290- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006854.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01310865972-01310904129-01310949071- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006847.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with udev in kernel 2.6.38.8-desktop
+</A><A NAME="6847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310866969- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006804.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310866969-01310904179- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006823.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310866969-01310904179-01310910975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006827.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310866969-01310904179-01310910975-01310912003- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006828.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310866969-01310904179-01310910975-01310912003-01310928721- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006834.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310866969-01310904179-01310910975-01310912003-01310928721-01310933764- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006837.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk+2.0-2.24.5-6.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310885953- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006812.html">[Mageia-dev] Release cycle, support and planning
+</A><A NAME="6812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310918695- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006831.html">[Mageia-dev] latest xorg unusable on laptop: no mouse/keyboard
+</A><A NAME="6831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310918695-01310918989- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006832.html">[Mageia-dev] latest xorg unusable on laptop: no mouse/keyboard
+</A><A NAME="6832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310930483- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006835.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron core/release gnome-keyring-3.1.1-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310930483-01310938767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006841.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron core/release gnome-keyring-3.1.1-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310936686- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006839.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310936686-01310938765- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006840.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310936686-01310938765-01310942629- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006843.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310936686-01310942894- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006844.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310936686-01310942894-01310948696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006846.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01310936686-01310942894-01310966445- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006849.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310936686-01310942894-01310966445-01310981487- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006856.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310936686-01310942894-01310966445-01310981487-01310986863- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006861.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310936686-01310942894-01310966445-01310981487-01310986863-01310988814- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006862.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310936686-01310942894-01310966445-01310981487-01310986863-01310988814-01310989565- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006865.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310936686-01310942894-01310966445-01310981487-01310986863-01310988814-01310989565-01310990327- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006866.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310936686-01310942894-01310966445-01310981487-01310986863-01310988814-01310991233- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006867.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310936686-01310942894-01310966445-01310981487-01310986863-01310988814-01310991233-01310998490- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006869.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310936686-01310942894-01310966445-01310981487-01310986863-01310988814-01310991233-01310998490-01311010134- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006874.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310936686-01310942894-01310966445-01310981487-01310986863-01310988814-01310991233-01310998490-01311010134-01311095949- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006903.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310936686-01310942894-01310966445-01310981487-01310986863-01310988814-01310991233-01310998490-01311010134-01311272090- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006941.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release flash-player-plugin11-11.0.1.60-0.b1.071311.1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310939039- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006842.html">[Mageia-dev] How to push new packages to Mageia 1 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="6842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310939039-01310967253- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006850.html">[Mageia-dev] How to push new packages to Mageia 1 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="6850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01310945269- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006845.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Wiki page
+</A><A NAME="6845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01310979098- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006853.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01310979098-01310981194- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006855.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01310979098-01310981194-01310981557- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006857.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01310979098-01310981194-01310985943- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006859.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01310979098-01310981194-01310985943-01310986675- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006860.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310979098-01310981194-01310985943-01310986675-01310988831- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006863.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310979098-01310981194-01310985943-01310986675-01310988831-01310989408- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006864.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01310979098-01310981194-01310985943-01310986675-01311075851- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006895.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01310979098-01310983938- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006858.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mplayer-1.0-1.rc4.0.r32713.7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311000847- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006870.html">[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions
+</A><A NAME="6870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311000847-01311002084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006871.html">[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions
+</A><A NAME="6871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311000847-01311002084-01311007259- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006872.html">[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions
+</A><A NAME="6872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01311000847-01311002084-01311007259-01311014246- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006875.html">[Mageia-dev] Current cauldron updates want to install 32-bit versions that conflict with 64-bit versions
+</A><A NAME="6875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311005712- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006873.html">[Mageia-dev] ARM: new cross-distro@ list
+</A><A NAME="6873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steve McIntyre
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01311014614- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006876.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="6876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311014614-01311515105- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006982.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="6982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311014614-01311515105-01311927430- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007104.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove package handbrake
+</A><A NAME="7104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311033865- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006880.html">[Mageia-dev] autopano-sift-C ought to be in tainted, instead of core repository
+</A><A NAME="6880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311033865-01311037282- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006883.html">[Mageia-dev] autopano-sift-C ought to be in tainted, instead of core repository
+</A><A NAME="6883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311033865-01311037282-01311037910- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006884.html">[Mageia-dev] autopano-sift-C ought to be in tainted, instead of core repository
+</A><A NAME="6884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311036410- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006881.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release autopano-sift-C-2.5.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311036410-01311037168- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006882.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release autopano-sift-C-2.5.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311039783- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006885.html">[Mageia-dev] Cleaning orphans from the mirrors
+</A><A NAME="6885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311039783-01311064354- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006888.html">[Mageia-dev] Cleaning orphans from the mirrors
+</A><A NAME="6888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01311039783-01311155950- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006909.html">[Mageia-dev] Cleaning orphans from the mirrors
+</A><A NAME="6909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311065206- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006889.html">[Mageia-dev] autopano-sift-C ought to be in tainted, instead of core repository
+</A><A NAME="6889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01311068737- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006892.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311068737-01311075491- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006894.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311068737-01311075491-01311078665- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006896.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01311068737-01311075491-01311132942- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006905.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01311068737-01311075491-01311132942-01311163722- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006910.html">[Mageia-dev] FYI: telepathy-farsight has been renamed to telepathy-farstream upstream
+</A><A NAME="6910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311091701- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006897.html">[Mageia-dev] maven packages not replacing older ones - conflict results
+</A><A NAME="6897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311091701-01311091984- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006898.html">[Mageia-dev] maven packages not replacing older ones - conflict results
+</A><A NAME="6898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311091701-01311091984-01311092159- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006899.html">[Mageia-dev] maven packages not replacing older ones - conflict results
+</A><A NAME="6899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01311091701-01311091984-01311092159-01311094711- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006902.html">[Mageia-dev] maven packages not replacing older ones - conflict results
+</A><A NAME="6902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311092754- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006900.html">[Mageia-dev] CUDA in Mageia vs compilers
+</A><A NAME="6900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01311092948- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006901.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 2.6.38.8 and ATI radeon
+</A><A NAME="6901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alberto Girlando
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311092948-01311102519- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006904.html">[Mageia-dev] kernel 2.6.38.8 and ATI radeon
+</A><A NAME="6904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Listes ( Jos&#233; Jorge)
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311118460- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007316.html">[Mageia-dev] Where's Arnoud, the maintainer of the ARM-build for Mageia?
+</A><A NAME="7316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01311140713- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006906.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging Mentors wanted
+</A><A NAME="6906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311140713-01311275495- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006942.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging Mentors wanted
+</A><A NAME="6942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311152128- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006908.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311152128-01311167821- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006911.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01311152128-01311169460- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006913.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01311152128-01311218500- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006930.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311152128-01311218500-01311220210- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006931.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01311152128-01311218500-01311220210-01311229507- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006932.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311152128-01311218500-01311220210-01311229507-01311231110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006933.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311152128-01311218500-01311220210-01311229507-01311231110-01311237585- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006934.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311152128-01311218500-01311220210-01311229507-01311231110-01311237585-01311570379- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006987.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311152128-01311218500-01311220210-01311229507-01311231110-01311237585-01311570379-01311591894- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006988.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311152128-01311218500-01311220210-01311229507-01311231110-01311774347- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007068.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="7068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311152128-01311218500-01311220210-01311229507-01311231110-01311774347-01311936835- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007110.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="7110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01311152128-01311454278- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006976.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="6976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311167976- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006912.html">[Mageia-dev] [Fwd: [Mageia-sysadm] rpmlint check on upload, attempt 2]
+</A><A NAME="6912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311167976-01311616426- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006990.html">[Mageia-dev] [Fwd: [Mageia-sysadm] rpmlint check on upload, attempt 2]
+</A><A NAME="6990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311171024- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006914.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1882] Calibre crash on startup
+</A><A NAME="6914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311171024-01311173963- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006915.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 1882] Calibre crash on startup
+</A><A NAME="6915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311178134- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006916.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311178134-01311178503- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006917.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311178134-01311178503-01311179382- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006922.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01311178134-01311178503-01311179382-01311180039- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006923.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311178833- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006918.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311178833-01311179101- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006920.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01311178833-01311179274- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006921.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01311178833-01311181101- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006924.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311178833-01311181101-01311181214- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006925.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01311178833-01311181101-01311212272- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006929.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311178897- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006919.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="6919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01311192782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006926.html">[Mageia-dev] No more ssh-agent needed for submitting
+</A><A NAME="6926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311192782-01311206034- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006927.html">[Mageia-dev] No more ssh-agent needed for submitting
+</A><A NAME="6927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311192782-01311206034-01311208672- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006928.html">[Mageia-dev] No more ssh-agent needed for submitting
+</A><A NAME="6928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311246804- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006936.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing kdelibs4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="6936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311246804-01311247725- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006937.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing kdelibs4-4.6.5-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="6937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311251174- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006938.html">[Mageia-dev] QA team wants testers to help testing update candidates (otherwise : no LTS !)
+</A><A NAME="6938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01311271997- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006940.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release t-lasku-1.10.0-1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311271997-01311294362- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006950.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release t-lasku-1.10.0-1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311271997-01311294362-01311296226- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006951.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release t-lasku-1.10.0-1.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="6951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311281043- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006944.html">[Mageia-dev] measuring our resources for release support
+</A><A NAME="6944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311281043-01311414694- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006969.html">[Mageia-dev] measuring our resources for release support
+</A><A NAME="6969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311281043-01311414694-01311484724- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006977.html">[Mageia-dev] measuring our resources for release support
+</A><A NAME="6977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311283185- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006945.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel request: Turn off SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM.
+</A><A NAME="6945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311283185-01311284186- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006946.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel request: Turn off SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM.
+</A><A NAME="6946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311283185-01311284186-01311287510- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006949.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel request: Turn off SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM.
+</A><A NAME="6949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311320814- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006955.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release less-444-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01311321868- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006956.html">[Mageia-dev] Finalizing update process
+</A><A NAME="6956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311321868-01311326876- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006958.html">[Mageia-dev] Finalizing update process
+</A><A NAME="6958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311321868-01311326876-01311331021- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006960.html">[Mageia-dev] Finalizing update process
+</A><A NAME="6960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311331839- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006961.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: gtk-doc proposed changes
+</A><A NAME="6961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311331839-01311333867- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006962.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: gtk-doc proposed changes
+</A><A NAME="6962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311331839-01311333867-01311334740- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006963.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: gtk-doc proposed changes
+</A><A NAME="6963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311349358- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006964.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mgarepo-1.9.11-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311349358-01311349586- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006965.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mgarepo-1.9.11-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311391603- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006966.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug report for iputils
+</A><A NAME="6966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01311412148- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006967.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311412148-01311412585- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006968.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01311412148-01311417292- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006970.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311442514- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006972.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311442514-01311445543- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006974.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01311442514-01311449624- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006975.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311445131- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006973.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release boinc-client-6.10.58-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311445131-01311498857- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006979.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release boinc-client-6.10.58-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311505400- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006980.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages needing to be rebuilt with freeglut instead of mesaglut
+</A><A NAME="6980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01311513066- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006981.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311513066-01311515144- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006983.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01311513066-01311515422- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006985.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311513066-01311515422-01311515506- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006986.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311515233- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006984.html">[Mageia-dev] John
+</A><A NAME="6984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01311623244- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006991.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311623244-01311625139- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006992.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311623244-01311625139-01311629912- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006994.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01311623244-01311633237- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006996.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311623244-01311633237-01311646385- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006997.html">[Mageia-dev] backports
+</A><A NAME="6997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311627537- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006993.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-keyring-3.1.4-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311627537-01311659113- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006998.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-keyring-3.1.4-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="6998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311633243- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006995.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="6995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311633243-01311659796- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006999.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="6999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311633243-01311659796-01311664842- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007000.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="7000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01311633243-01311659796-01311664842-01311728829- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007042.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="7042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311633243-01311659796-01311664842-01311922763- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007103.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for backport process and policy
+</A><A NAME="7103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311674640- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007002.html">[Mageia-dev] FTBFS: Help needed:
+</A><A NAME="7002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01311676802- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007003.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311676802-01311679373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007004.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007006.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007016.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311698819- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007018.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311698819-01311701852- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007024.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311701910- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007023.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311701910-01311763924- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007056.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311701910-01311763924-01311778777- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007072.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311701910-01311763924-01311778777-01311779073- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007073.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311701910-01311763924-01311778777-01311779073-01311779280- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007074.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311701910-01311763924-01311778777-01311799920- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007080.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311701910-01311763924-01311778777-01311799920-01311840524- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007083.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311701910-01311763924-01311778777-01311799920-01311840524-01311850946- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007086.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311701910-01311763924-01311778777-01311799920-01311840524-01311850946-01311855119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007096.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311701910-01311763924-01311778777-01311799920-01311840524-01311850946-01311855119-01311927902- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007105.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311701910-01311763924-01311778777-01311799920-01311840524-01311850946-01311855119-01311927902-01311928345- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007107.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311701910-01311763924-01311778777-01311799920-01311840524-01311850946-01311855119-01311927902-01311928345-01311928707- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007108.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311701910-01311763924-01311778777-01311799920-01311840524-01311970586- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007119.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311701910-01311763924-01311778777-01311799920-01311840524-01311970586-01311972341- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007120.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311679373-01311683201-01311698525-01311701910-01311763924-01311778777-01311799920-01311840524-01311970586-01311972341-01311973134- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007121.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01311676802-01311682071- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007005.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01311676802-01311695335- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007010.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311676802-01311695335-01311695611- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007011.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01311676802-01311695335-01311695611-01311698962- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007019.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01311676802-01311695335-01311697585- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007014.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01311676802-01311695335-01311697585-01311700891- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007021.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311695335-01311697585-01311700891-01311702175- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007025.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311695335-01311697585-01311700891-01311702175-01311712926- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007033.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01311676802-01311697212- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007013.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311676802-01311697212-01311697668- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007015.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01311676802-01311697212-01311697668-01311699331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007020.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311697212-01311697668-01311699331-01311701168- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007022.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311676802-01311697212-01311697668-01312047127- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007130.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release
+</A><A NAME="7130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311684223- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007007.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release texlive-20100722-37.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311684223-01311684793- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007008.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release texlive-20100722-37.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311685262- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007009.html">[Mageia-dev] LibreOffice English help - very small
+</A><A NAME="7009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311685262-01311688265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007317.html">[Mageia-dev] LibreOffice English help - very small
+</A><A NAME="7317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01311685262-01311704439- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007027.html">[Mageia-dev] LibreOffice English help - very small
+</A><A NAME="7027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311696258- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007012.html">[Mageia-dev] The triage team.
+</A><A NAME="7012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311696258-01311698435- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007017.html">[Mageia-dev] The triage team.
+</A><A NAME="7017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311703354- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007026.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311703354-01311704632- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007028.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311703354-01311704632-01311704819- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007029.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01311703354-01311704632-01311704819-01311704997- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007030.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01311703354-01311708210- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007032.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311703354-01311708210-01311714266- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007034.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01311703354-01311714829- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007035.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311703354-01311714829-01311714967- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007036.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01311703354-01311714829-01311714967-01311721904- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007038.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311703354-01311714829-01311714967-01311721904-01311723197- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007039.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311703354-01311714829-01311714967-01311721904-01311723197-01311731732- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007043.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311703354-01311714829-01311714967-01311721904-01311723197-01311731732-01311756341- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007052.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311703354-01311714829-01311714967-01311721904-01311725412- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007041.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311703354-01311714829-01311714967-01311721904-01311725412-01311732131- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007045.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311703354-01311714829-01311714967-01311721904-01311725412-01311733674- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007046.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311703354-01311714829-01311714967-01311721904-01311725412-01311733674-01311754234- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007050.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311703354-01311714829-01311714967-01311721904-01311725412-01311733674-01311754234-01311754531- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007051.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311703354-01311714829-01311714967-01311721904-01311725412-01311733674-01311754234-01311757565- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007053.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311703354-01311714829-01311714967-01311721904-01311725412-01311733674-01311754234-01311757565-01311758024- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007054.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311703354-01311714829-01311714967-01311721904-01311725412-01311733674-01311754234-01311757565-01311758024-01311759367- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007055.html">[Mageia-dev] shall i import sawmill rpm?
+</A><A NAME="7055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311705166- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007031.html">[Mageia-dev] Easy locales
+</A><A NAME="7031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311705166-01311732116- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007044.html">[Mageia-dev] Easy locales
+</A><A NAME="7044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311721538- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007037.html">[Mageia-dev] knetworkmanager segsfault
+</A><A NAME="7037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311721538-01311723671- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007040.html">[Mageia-dev] knetworkmanager segsfault
+</A><A NAME="7040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311741585- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007047.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove noarch packages in x86_64
+</A><A NAME="7047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311741585-01311745787- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007048.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove noarch packages in x86_64
+</A><A NAME="7048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311746042- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007049.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-Horde_Crypt-1.0.3-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01311766668- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007057.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311766668-01311768606- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007059.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311766668-01311768606-01311769443- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007061.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01311766668-01311768606-01311769443-01311774658- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007070.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311766668-01311768606-01311769443-01311774658-01311783790- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007076.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311766668-01311768606-01311769443-01311774658-01311783790-01311784223- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007078.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01311766668-01311768606-01311769443-01311774658-01311783790-01311784223-01311796179- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007079.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01311766668-01311768606-01311773568- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007067.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01311766668-01311768947- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007060.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311766668-01311768947-01311771320- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007063.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01311766668-01311768947-01311771706- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007065.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01311766668-01311771467- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007064.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01311766668-01311773342- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007066.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311766668-01311773342-01311774556- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007069.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01311766668-01311773342-01311783926- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007077.html">[Mageia-dev] Some more new rpmlint warning on upload
+</A><A NAME="7077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311768426- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007058.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release python-cherrypy-3.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01311771163- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007062.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakxtools-13.60-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01311777462- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007071.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="7071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311777462-01311783622- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007075.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="7075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311777462-01311783622-01311833223- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007081.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="7081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01311777462-01311783622-01311833223-01311850883- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007085.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="7085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311839660- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007082.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release jgraph-5.12.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>grenoya
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311839660-01311852156- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007087.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release jgraph-5.12.2.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311852343- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007088.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311852343-01311856736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007099.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311852343-01311856736-01311871595- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007101.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01311852343-01311963673- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007117.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311852343-01311963673-01312027626- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007125.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01311852343-01311963673-01312027626-01312027962- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007126.html">[Mageia-dev] Switching VT when in GDM causes X11 quit with fatal error.
+</A><A NAME="7126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311852536- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007089.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311852536-01311853237- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007092.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01311852536-01311853330- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007093.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311852536-01311853330-01311853398- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007094.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01311852536-01311853330-01311853543- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007095.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome3 issues gnome-shell not loading.
+</A><A NAME="7095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311852661- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007090.html">[Mageia-dev] Running X11 apps from the console after exporting DISPLAY
+</A><A NAME="7090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311852661-01311855509- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007097.html">[Mageia-dev] Running X11 apps from the console after exporting DISPLAY
+</A><A NAME="7097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01311852661-01311856349- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007098.html">[Mageia-dev] Running X11 apps from the console after exporting DISPLAY
+</A><A NAME="7098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311852661-01311856349-01311928145- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007106.html">[Mageia-dev] Running X11 apps from the console after exporting DISPLAY
+</A><A NAME="7106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311853052- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007091.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome-terminal under KDE+kwin
+</A><A NAME="7091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311853052-01311928736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007109.html">[Mageia-dev] Gnome-terminal under KDE+kwin
+</A><A NAME="7109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311921577- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007102.html">[Mageia-dev] Vacations
+</A><A NAME="7102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01311947278- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007111.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing KDE rebuilds ?
+</A><A NAME="7111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311947278-01311949544- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007113.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing KDE rebuilds ?
+</A><A NAME="7113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311947378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007112.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE conflicts, possibly related to previous mail
+</A><A NAME="7112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01311947378-01311949627- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007114.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE conflicts, possibly related to previous mail
+</A><A NAME="7114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01311947378-01311949627-01311950989- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007115.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE conflicts, possibly related to previous mail
+</A><A NAME="7115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01311947378-01311949627-01311950989-01311953553- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007116.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE conflicts, possibly related to previous mail
+</A><A NAME="7116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01311965534- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007118.html">[Mageia-dev] new samba-squid subpackage proporsal
+</A><A NAME="7118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01312011241- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007122.html">[Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
+</A><A NAME="7122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Micha&#322; Walenciak
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01312011241-01312023036- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007123.html">[Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
+</A><A NAME="7123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01312011241-01312023439- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007124.html">[Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
+</A><A NAME="7124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01312011241-01312023439-01312029804- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007127.html">[Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
+</A><A NAME="7127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Micha&#322; Walenciak
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01312046131- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007128.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="7128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01312046131-01312047082- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007129.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="7129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vincent.hervieux at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01312046131-01312050421- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007132.html">[Mageia-dev] Need mentor(s) to become a Mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="7132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01312049461- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007131.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release polkit-kde-kcmodules-1-0.98.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="7131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01312056510- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007133.html">[Mageia-dev] Import request: apache-mod_suexec
+</A><A NAME="7133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01312056558- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007134.html">[Mageia-dev] Import request: apcupsd
+</A><A NAME="7134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01312056558-01312057381- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007135.html">[Mageia-dev] Import request: apcupsd
+</A><A NAME="7135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01312056558-01312057381-01312057745- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007136.html">[Mageia-dev] Import request: apcupsd
+</A><A NAME="7136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01312063021- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007137.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages with wrong RPM group
+</A><A NAME="7137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01312063021-01312063560- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007138.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages with wrong RPM group
+</A><A NAME="7138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01312063021-01312123662- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007142.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages with wrong RPM group
+</A><A NAME="7142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01312063021-01312123662-01312124306- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007143.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages with wrong RPM group
+</A><A NAME="7143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01312068805- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007139.html">[Mageia-dev] [102884] imported package excalibur-configuration
+</A><A NAME="7139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01312068805-01312068829- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007140.html">[Mageia-dev] [102884] imported package excalibur-configuration
+</A><A NAME="7140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01312107628- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007141.html">[Mageia-dev] Not here until 10/08
+</A><A NAME="7141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Jul 31 16:58:26 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Aug 10 18:33:19 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
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