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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+ <I>Wed Jul 27 12:52:04 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 19:38:30, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 18:42:05, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yet, the problem would also be there for regular non-version upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( ie, if we have foo-2-2.mga2 in cauldron and stable, and that we need
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to rebuild on stable and not on cauldron, we face the same problem ), so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; using 0 is a incomplete solution to the issue, and the only solution is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to rebuild in cauldron, and such problem should better be detected by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; youri.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Very good point, this is a decisive argument to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, the conclusion is that we should test ugprade rather than assuming
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that it will just work because we placed a 0 instead of a 1 somewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok for me provided we put in place the necessary processes to avoid upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> problems (Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence for example).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now, using 0 prevent us from having a simple way of seeing what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; prerelease we ship and that should be updated to latest stable ( as this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; seems to me quite desirable ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good point too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is also inconsistent with the practice we had of backporting from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cooker ( as the initial goal at Mandriva was to have 0 modifications
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from cooker to backports to reduce the load ). And if we ship something
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in update and in backports, we would have the same packages with 2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; different releases, and that doesn't seems a good idea.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Worse, the backport would be preferred to the update :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should have said all this right from the start rather than assuming
+</I>&gt;<i> that we would have all these elements in mind :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+I suggest we add this point to tonight's meeting topics and that a decision be
+taken then.
+
+Then we would adapt the updates policy and the current packages in
+updates_testing if the 0 release in updates is abandoned. We must also decide
+if we continue to use subrels or not (using them could avoid unneeded rebuilds
+in cauldron when there are packaging bugs in updates).
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel
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