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That's ridiculous. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It is not at all a question of obeying laws. +</I>><i> A patent is granted to give certain civil rights on the part of the patent +</I>><i> holder, for original developments, that are not obvious from existing +</I>><i> knowledge.  The idea is to encourage innovation by protecting the +</I>><i> investments made by innovators. +</I>><i> Because patents are granted essentially on the basis of not conflicting with +</I>><i> other patents (especially software patents), there is no assurance that a +</I>><i> patent is valid at all.  Patents on software are particularly problematic, +</I>><i> as software is based on logic, and what is obvious from existing knowledge +</I>><i> is not necessarily apparent to those not in the computer field.  It most +</I>><i> countries such patents are denied. +</I>><i> In the USA, patents on software are (at least sometimes) accepted, most +</I>><i> patent claims are not supported by the courts.  In other words, they are not +</I>><i> valid. +</I>><i> If you had read the reference, you should have understood that. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> The fact that nobody (in FOSS community) has been called to court yet +</I>>><i> does not mean that the related laws do not exist! +</I>>><i> The Debian paper (Romain linked to) has an answer to the reasons. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Which clearly indicates that the risk is minimal in the countries where such +</I>><i> a risk exists.  According to the report, no cases to date against FOSS +</I>><i> software, distributed by non-commercial entities.  Basically my point. +</I>><i> It also warns against paranoia about patents. +</I>><i> This paranoia seems to me a bit like never crossing a street because one +</I>><i> might get run over by a bus.  Even if one crosses in a marked crosswalk. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Besides, tainted is not only about patents, it's also about software +</I>>><i> which is illegal in certain countries (like libdvdcss). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ok, a relatively limited application. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So in all, maybe a handful of packages at most should be in tainted. +</I>><i> So why do we have more than 150 ? +</I> +Sorry, but I do not understand your way of thinking. If a law exists +it exists. It does not matter to a law whether it is likely to be +enforced. Period. +This is not paranoia, it is a matter of mind set. If robbery would not +be prosecuted, would you go out and earn your doe by taking away +handbags from old ladies? You would not, because it is wrong. For +those who are living in countries where patents are valid and accepted +by the law, using a patented software is wrong. So you must accept +that there are people who would not do it. Telling them how they +should think about it is not ours. That's why we have the tainted +repo. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006525.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006555.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6529">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6529">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6529">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6529">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |