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<H1>[Mageia-dev] proposal regarding (packager) mentoring program coordinator</H1>
<B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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<PRE>Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 03:02:24, andre999 a écrit :
><i> Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
</I>><i> > Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 01:07:00, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
</I>><i> >> Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 22:49:29, andre999 a écrit :
</I>><i> >>> nicolas vigier a écrit :
</I>><i> >>>> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote:
</I>><i> [...]
</I>><i>
</I>><i> >>>>> Would something like <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">coord at pmentoring.mageia.org</A> be Ok ?
</I>><i> >>>>
</I>><i> >>>> No, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A> with foo replaced by the group name.
</I>><i> >>>>
</I>><i> >>>>> Presumably I would manage the group, which would include at least
</I>><i> >>>>> magnus + Daniel. So who should I talk to about setting it up ?
</I>><i> >>>>> Would I be able to add new persons myself, or would I have to request
</I>><i> >>>>> it ?
</I>><i> >>>>
</I>><i> >>>> What would be the use of this group and alias ?
</I>><i> >>>> Shouldn't most discussions be public, so on a mailing list ?
</I>><i> >>>
</I>><i> >>> This would be for potential packager apprentices or others to easily
</I>><i> >>> contact all members the mentoring coordinator team.
</I>><i> >>> So one of us can respond quickly, mostly to update our
</I>><i> >>> packages_mentoring wiki page. (Which will be ready in the next few
</I>><i> >>> days.)
</I>><i> >>> We could also use it to discuss among ourselves, which we now do by
</I>><i> >>> private email. So it wouldn't be of general interest. We wouldn't want
</I>><i> >>> those outside our group responding to messages received, like in a
</I>><i> >>> public mailing list.
</I>><i> >>> (The group might include a few outside our team.)
</I>><i> >>> (It could include mentors, but they will see useful info on our wiki
</I>><i> >>> page.) A restricted-access mailing list should work.
</I>><i> >>
</I>><i> >> I don't think there's a need for restricted access, and it would be
</I>><i> >> opposite to the way we try to do everything in the open.
</I>><i> >>
</I>><i> >> What you need is
</I>><i> >> 1) a way to be contacted directly by those who need (apprentices)
</I>><i> >> 2) a way to discuss within members of the team, but maybe other people
</I>><i> >> too if some want to join the discussion
</I>><i> >>
</I>><i> >> For 1), I think your @mageia.org address once you will get one is
</I>><i> >> sufficient. It's only one means of communication among others (MLs,
</I>><i> >> forums, wiki), so I don't think a group is necessarily needed for that.
</I>><i> >> You can still forward requests you can't handle yourself.
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > That being said, I have nothing against the use of a group for that, but
</I>><i> > only as a contact e-mail, not for discussion, or only for sensitive
</I>><i> > discussion about specific persons.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> That was exactly the purpose -- one contact point !
</I>><i> (Which we can put in various documentation, etc.)
</I>><i> That way if I'm not available -- on holidays, sick or whatever, I could
</I>><i> alert the others to ensure a fast response. And they could always help
</I>><i> out if they wanted.
</I>><i> And if someone takes my place, it would be a transparent changeover.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Sensitive discussion could happen with the group, but we could use direct
</I>><i> contact as well.
</I>><i> (We've been doing a bit in private setting up, but I see that as mostly
</I>><i> temporary. Other than sensitive issues, I would see it as mostly
</I>><i> coordination among ourselves.)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Otherwise I would prefer everything in the open.
</I>><i> (And I'm sure the others would agree.)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> >> For 2), I don't know what is better :
</I>><i> >> - use an existing mailing list
</I>><i> >> - create a new one
</I>><i>
</I>><i> mageia-dev seems good. We can just try to limit it to a few threads at a
</I>><i> time.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> >> I think you must try to use direct e-mail among you only when there's a
</I>><i> >> good reason to avoid public discussion. Saying that it's not of general
</I>><i> >> interest is not a good enough reason, I think. Do you have other reasons
</I>><i> >> for wanting a private mailing list ?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Agree totally. No need.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> So in summary, it seems that we should have a group for contacts.
</I>><i> (Say <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pmentoring-coord at group.mageia.org</A> ?)
</I>><i> And no need to add a mailing list.
</I>
This e-mail seems complicated. What about <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">packager-mentoring at group.mageia.org</A>
?
Samuel
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