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And if +</I>><i> > > > we ship something in update and in backports, we would have the same +</I>><i> > > > packages with 2 different releases, and that doesn't seems a good +</I>><i> > > > idea. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Worse, the backport would be preferred to the update :/ +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > You should have said all this right from the start rather than assuming +</I>><i> > > that we would have all these elements in mind :) +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Samuel +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I suggest we add this point to tonight's meeting topics and that a +</I>><i> > decision be taken then. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Then we would adapt the updates policy and the current packages in +</I>><i> > updates_testing if the 0 release in updates is abandoned. We must also +</I>><i> > decide if we continue to use subrels or not (using them could avoid +</I>><i> > unneeded rebuilds in cauldron when there are packaging bugs in updates). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Best regards +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Samuel +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ok, there will be no meeting tonight, so let's decide it on the ML. Was +</I>><i> everyone convinced by misc's demonstration and do we agree to stop using +</I>><i> the 0 release for updates and activate the Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence +</I>><i> check on submit to prevent higher releases in mageia n than in mageia n+1 +</I>><i> ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And if yes do we use subrels for subsequent modifications of packages that +</I>><i> are proper to the mageia 1 branch ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I vote yes for both questions. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Samuel +</I> +Just to make things clear, contrarily as what was said in some of the previous +mails, I was told on IRC by misc and dmorgan that we should always use subrels +for updates. + +So this means that, when pushing foo-2-1.mga2 from cauldron to 1/updates, it +will become foo-2-1.1.mga1 and not foo-2-1.mga1 + +It means also that you will have to bump the release in cauldron in order to +be allowed to submit the update, in that case. But as misc said, it should not +happen very often : +- providing new versions as updates should remain an exception per updates +policy +- if the package in cauldron already has a release > 1, no need to bump it + +Hope it's clear. + +Best regards + +Samuel Verschelde +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="007074.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007083.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates and 0 release +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#7080">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#7080">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#7080">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#7080">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |