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And patents are only examined for conflicting US patents +</I>>><i> before being registered. Not for the acceptability of the patent itself.) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So basically, tainted is for the benefit of those who would like to support +</I>>><i> software patents. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You say that people who obey to the laws of their country are to blame +</I>><i> for obeying these laws? That's ridiculous. +</I> +It is not at all a question of obeying laws. +A patent is granted to give certain civil rights on the part of the patent +holder, for original developments, that are not obvious from existing +knowledge. The idea is to encourage innovation by protecting the investments +made by innovators. +Because patents are granted essentially on the basis of not conflicting with +other patents (especially software patents), there is no assurance that a +patent is valid at all. Patents on software are particularly problematic, as +software is based on logic, and what is obvious from existing knowledge is not +necessarily apparent to those not in the computer field. It most countries +such patents are denied. +In the USA, patents on software are (at least sometimes) accepted, most patent +claims are not supported by the courts. In other words, they are not valid. +If you had read the reference, you should have understood that. + +><i> The fact that nobody (in FOSS community) has been called to court yet +</I>><i> does not mean that the related laws do not exist! +</I>><i> The Debian paper (Romain linked to) has an answer to the reasons. +</I> +Which clearly indicates that the risk is minimal in the countries where such a +risk exists. According to the report, no cases to date against FOSS software, +distributed by non-commercial entities. Basically my point. +It also warns against paranoia about patents. +This paranoia seems to me a bit like never crossing a street because one might +get run over by a bus. Even if one crosses in a marked crosswalk. + +><i> Besides, tainted is not only about patents, it's also about software +</I>><i> which is illegal in certain countries (like libdvdcss). +</I> +Ok, a relatively limited application. + +So in all, maybe a handful of packages at most should be in tainted. +So why do we have more than 150 ? + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006500.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006529.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6525">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6525">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6525">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6525">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |