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+If I recall correctly we are changing the format of the initscripts, possibly even the location of the scripts. Does anyone have some insight on how to convert these scripts into the new format?
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+And am I right in assuming that the init script changes is only for Cauldron/mga3 and not mga1 and 2?
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+ <B>AL13N</B>
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 1 september 2012 04:02:39 schreef Johnny A. Solbu:
+&gt;<i> I tried to install oidentd on my new mga2 system, and it was missing, so I
+</I>&gt;<i> thougt I'd import the mdv2010.2 src package and package it, and noticed
+</I>&gt;<i> when building it locally that it has an init script. If I recall correctly
+</I>&gt;<i> we are changing the format of the initscripts, possibly even the location
+</I>&gt;<i> of the scripts. Does anyone have some insight on how to convert these
+</I>&gt;<i> scripts into the new format?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And am I right in assuming that the init script changes is only for
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron/mga3 and not mga1 and 2?
+</I>
+mga2 should have both initscript and systemd compatibility.
+
+but if you import a package, you need to import into cauldron first.
+
+i would make systemd stuff and import into cauldron, and if you want to
+update/backport you'll have to copy the svn tree to updates/2 and modify it
+there again, but this time with an initscript and then submit there... (IF
+it's allowed to have this as update!)
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+&gt;<i> i would make systemd stuff and import into cauldron
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+And my question was, how do I do that? :-)=
+Remember I am not a programmer and have yet to make a single init script, even.
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+Hi,
+I recently had to work with some cmake macros and i found that
+they were already on the system installing kdelibs4-devel.
+I am a KDE user and developer so it's not a big problem
+for me, but some colleagues are not. Now isn't be
+possible to have a kdelibs4-cmake-macros package? I
+think that can be useful for those who don't want
+to install a lot of kde developer packages and get
+benefit by using already developed macros.
+
+WDYT?
+ Angelo
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+On 01/09/2012 14:36, Angelo Naselli wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi, I recently had to work with some cmake macros and i found that
+</I>&gt;<i> they were already on the system installing kdelibs4-devel. I am a
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE user and developer so it's not a big problem for me, but some
+</I>&gt;<i> colleagues are not. Now isn't be possible to have a
+</I>&gt;<i> kdelibs4-cmake-macros package? I think that can be useful for those
+</I>&gt;<i> who don't want to install a lot of kde developer packages and get
+</I>&gt;<i> benefit by using already developed macros.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT? Angelo
+</I>+1
+
+Just for example, currently I need FindGLIB2.cmake to port an
+application from an old style makefile to cmake but the application is
+not based on kde and I can't make kdelibs4 a requirement.
+To avoid this requirement I've to implement FindGLIB2 functionalities
+into the main CMakeLists.txt but it is not that comfortable.
+
+Regards
+- --
+Matteo
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+&quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> On Saturday 01 September 2012 08:40, AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i would make systemd stuff and import into cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And my question was, how do I do that? :-)=
+</I>&gt;<i> Remember I am not a programmer and have yet to make a single init script,
+</I>&gt;<i> even.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You have to write a unit file for systemd, something named like
+oidentd.service
+It's not very complicated, provided you know the options of
+the daemon.
+<A HREF="http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html">http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html</A>
+<A HREF="http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-3.html">http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-3.html</A>
+<A HREF="http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/">http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/</A>
+
+Dev of Archlinux have already written a unit file for oidentd, you should
+be able to adapt it for mageia without a lot of headache :
+<A HREF="https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/tree/trunk/service?h=packages/oidentd">https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/tree/trunk/service?h=packages/oidentd</A>
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+Julien
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Matteo at 01/09/12 14:12 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 01/09/2012 14:36, Angelo Naselli wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi, I recently had to work with some cmake macros and i found that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> they were already on the system installing kdelibs4-devel. I am a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> KDE user and developer so it's not a big problem for me, but some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> colleagues are not. Now isn't be possible to have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kdelibs4-cmake-macros package? I think that can be useful for those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> who don't want to install a lot of kde developer packages and get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> benefit by using already developed macros.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT? Angelo
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just for example, currently I need FindGLIB2.cmake to port an
+</I>&gt;<i> application from an old style makefile to cmake but the application is
+</I>&gt;<i> not based on kde and I can't make kdelibs4 a requirement.
+</I>&gt;<i> To avoid this requirement I've to implement FindGLIB2 functionalities
+</I>&gt;<i> into the main CMakeLists.txt but it is not that comfortable.
+</I>
+This doesn't sound like a good reason to me. Surely any porting work
+you'll be doing you'll want to push upstream. Would upstream be happy
+adding a dependency on KDE macros? I wouldn't expect so. Thus the
+approach you've taken just now seems like a good one.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+<PRE>On 1 September 2012 16:40, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision 5525 Author colin Date 2012-09-01 16:40:52 +0200 (Sat, 01 Sep 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (mkinitrd) Fix prefix checking in foreign partition check (mga#6966)
+</I>
+Nice spot.
+
+&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/bootloader.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/bootloader.pm 2012-08-31 23:38:35 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 5524)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/bootloader.pm 2012-09-01 14:40:52 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 5525)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -113,7 +113,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> return $initrd if $::testing # testing mode
+</I>&gt;<i> || -e &quot;$::prefix/$initrd&quot; # already exists
+</I>&gt;<i> || $initrd =~ /\(hd/ # unrecognized partition
+</I>&gt;<i> - || !-d $dir; # dir doesn't exist (probably !mounted
+</I>&gt;<i> foreign part)
+</I>&gt;<i> + || !-d &quot;$::prefix/$dir&quot;;# dir doesn't exist (probably !mounted
+</I>&gt;<i> foreign part)
+</I></PRE>
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+<PRE>On 1 September 2012 16:40, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> (mkinitrd) More logging on why initrd generation is skipped
+</I>
+I would have prefer to see this as a temporary patch :-(
+
+&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/bootloader.pm 2012-09-01 14:40:52 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 5525)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/bootloader.pm 2012-09-01 14:40:53 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 5526)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -110,10 +110,19 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> my ($kernel_version, $bootloader, $entry, $initrd) = @_;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my $dir = dirname($initrd);
+</I>&gt;<i> - return $initrd if $::testing # testing mode
+</I>&gt;<i> - || -e &quot;$::prefix/$initrd&quot; # already exists
+</I>&gt;<i> - || $initrd =~ /\(hd/ # unrecognized partition
+</I>&gt;<i> - || !-d &quot;$::prefix/$dir&quot;;# dir doesn't exist (probably !mounted
+</I>&gt;<i> foreign part)
+</I>&gt;<i> + if ($::testing) {
+</I>&gt;<i> + log::l(&quot;Skipping initrd generation: testing mode&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> + return $initrd;
+</I>&gt;<i> + } elsif (-e &quot;$::prefix/$initrd&quot;) {
+</I>&gt;<i> + log::l(&quot;Skipping initrd generation: already exists&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> + return $initrd;
+</I>&gt;<i> + } elsif ($initrd =~ /\(hd/) {
+</I>&gt;<i> + log::l(&quot;Skipping initrd generation: unrecognized partition&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> + return $initrd;
+</I>&gt;<i> + } elsif (!-d &quot;$::prefix/$dir&quot;) {
+</I>&gt;<i> + log::l(&quot;Skipping initrd generation: dir doesn't exist (probably
+</I>&gt;<i> !mounted foreign part)&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> + return $initrd;
+</I>&gt;<i> + }
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+&gt;&gt;<i> (mkinitrd) Fix prefix checking in foreign partition check (mga#6966)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nice spot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/bootloader.pm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/bootloader.pm 2012-08-31 23:38:35 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 5524)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/bootloader.pm 2012-09-01 14:40:52 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 5525)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -113,7 +113,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> return $initrd if $::testing # testing mode
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> || -e &quot;$::prefix/$initrd&quot; # already exists
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> || $initrd =~ /\(hd/ # unrecognized partition
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - || !-d $dir; # dir doesn't exist (probably !mounted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> foreign part)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + || !-d &quot;$::prefix/$dir&quot;;# dir doesn't exist (probably !mounted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> foreign part)
+</I>
+Err, this is not related to bugs mga#6966 which is fixed for long...
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 01/09/12 16:16 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 1 September 2012 16:40, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (mkinitrd) More logging on why initrd generation is skipped
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would have prefer to see this as a temporary patch :-(
+</I>
+Well considering I already banged my head against a brick wall trying to
+work out a previous initrd+bootsplash issue this week, having this debug
+in the log is very useful IMO.
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 01/09/12 16:20 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 1 September 2012 17:15, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (mkinitrd) Fix prefix checking in foreign partition check (mga#6966)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nice spot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/bootloader.pm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/bootloader.pm 2012-08-31 23:38:35 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5524)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/bootloader.pm 2012-09-01 14:40:52 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5525)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -113,7 +113,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> return $initrd if $::testing # testing mode
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> || -e &quot;$::prefix/$initrd&quot; # already exists
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> || $initrd =~ /\(hd/ # unrecognized partition
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - || !-d $dir; # dir doesn't exist (probably !mounted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> foreign part)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + || !-d &quot;$::prefix/$dir&quot;;# dir doesn't exist (probably !mounted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> foreign part)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Err, this is not related to bugs mga#6966 which is fixed for long...
+</I>
+I'm just quoted the bug number from the commit where you introduced the
+breakage:
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+commit 908a594b10b966e0a80701262f989b9ca6b0070c
+Author: tv &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tv at 5b7c3c08-40e5-403b-9995-ace06908e4af</A>&gt;
+Date: Tue Aug 7 10:37:22 2012 +0000
+
+ (mkinitrd) do not crash if a foreign partition is not mounted (mga#6966)
+
+ git-svn-id: svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk@5294">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk@5294</A>
+5b7c3c08-40e5-403b-9995-ace06908e4af
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+Col
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+Il 01/09/2012 16:48, Colin Guthrie ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> This doesn't sound like a good reason to me. Surely any porting
+</I>&gt;<i> work you'll be doing you'll want to push upstream. Would upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> be happy adding a dependency on KDE macros? I wouldn't expect so.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thus the approach you've taken just now seems like a good one.
+</I>
+Good point.
+
+But the real good approach in my opinion is that kde team should
+send upstream -to cmake- their macros.
+
+I don't like to reinvent the wheel, and moreover what happens as
+soon as someone develops a library for developers and need the same
+dependencies as in KDE applications (SQLite, SANE, SIP, RUby,...)?
+Two FindXXX.cmake on the system.
+I'm not sure it's good reason as well :)
+
+Angelo
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+De: &quot;Angelo Naselli&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt;
+&#192;: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+Envoy&#233;: Samedi 1 Septembre 2012 14:36:32
+Objet: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
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+Hi,
+I recently had to work with some cmake macros and i found that
+they were already on the system installing kdelibs4-devel.
+I am a KDE user and developer so it's not a big problem
+for me, but some colleagues are not. Now isn't be
+possible to have a kdelibs4-cmake-macros package? I
+think that can be useful for those who don't want
+to install a lot of kde developer packages and get
+benefit by using already developed macros.
+
+WDYT?
+
+
+urpmi kde4-macros is what you want, no need to install kdelibs4-devel ;)
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+[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi kde4-macros is what you want, no need to install kdelibs4-devel ;)
+</I>I guess he's talking about the .cmake macros available in
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+Il 02/09/2012 01:46, Balcaen John ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> I guess he's talking about the .cmake macros available in
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/apps/cmake/modules/
+</I>yep :)
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+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like BS is stuck for a couple hours.
+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone kick it?
+</I>&gt;<i> Thx
+</I>
+b/c of:
+
+jonund0 x86_64-noarch tmb iurt-0.6.7-1.mga2 infra_2 infra/release
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+&gt;<i> On 2 September 2012 12:10, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It looks like BS is stuck for a couple hours.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone kick it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thx
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> b/c of:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> jonund0 x86_64-noarch tmb iurt-0.6.7-1.mga2 infra_2 infra/release
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please kill it (&amp; submit 0.6.8 instead anyway)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nope, that was not it... it would have stopped ~17 hours ago then :)
+
+Jonund got into trouble and had to be rebooted.
+
+It's now working again...
+
+--
+Thomas
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+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It looks like BS is stuck for a couple hours.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone kick it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> b/c of:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> jonund0 x86_64-noarch tmb iurt-0.6.7-1.mga2 infra_2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> infra/release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please kill it (&amp; submit 0.6.8 instead anyway)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nope, that was not it... it would have stopped ~17 hours ago then :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jonund got into trouble and had to be rebooted.
+</I>
+sg not monitored :-) ?
+
+&gt;<i> It's now working again...
+</I>
+You do need to push iurt-0.6.8 anyway for an important bug fix.
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
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+&gt;<i> Jonund got into trouble and had to be rebooted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's now working again...
+</I>I guess not :(
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
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+half back with some systems, while not with others:
+- IP address and DNS are good
+- no default route is added.
+
+Anyhint for where to search in this bug report is welcome. I use default
+MGA settings, so no network-manager.
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and zezinho at 02/09/12 14:43 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> A bug came with MGA2 : after suspend/hibernate, wifi connection is only
+</I>&gt;<i> half back with some systems, while not with others:
+</I>&gt;<i> - IP address and DNS are good
+</I>&gt;<i> - no default route is added.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyhint for where to search in this bug report is welcome. I use default
+</I>&gt;<i> MGA settings, so no network-manager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6372">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6372</A>
+</I>
+Possibly related to: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6936">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6936</A> ?
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+
+Alpha 1 isos are now on the way and tested by QA team before being
+uploaded on public mirrors. Please have a look here:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_alpha1">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_alpha1</A>
+
+Add anything that can be usefull for people interested in Mageia 3
+development.
+
+Cheers
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>Hi Marcello,
+
+On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 15:30:08 +0200
+Marcello &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i've proposed this feature for mageia 3:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/attachment.cgi?id=17504">https://qa.mandriva.com/attachment.cgi?id=17504</A> (mockup)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i would like to implement it, but i don't have technical skills to
+</I>&gt;<i> develop the plasmoid. is there anyone who wants to volunteer to
+</I>&gt;<i> develop it? i can write the documentation (together with doc team).
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Why not simply implement this HOWTO as a shortcut on the desktop (an icon)
+which would link to an HTML page on the hard disk or on an Internet web site?
+Or am I missing something?
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>
+
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+&gt;<i> Currently %make is expanded to make -j&lt;nb cpu&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like it to be replaced with make -l&lt;nb cpu&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Some activities, like USB transfers are seen as huge system load (I
+often get more than 4 on a monocpu system, while is CPU is idle to
+compile. So I think we may end with a side effect that build time will
+be longer....
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+ <B>Frederic Janssens</B>
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+
+The part saying
+&quot;and finally our first official release planned in May.&quot;
+just before
+&quot;More info about Mageia 3
+development&lt;<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_development">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_development</A>&gt;.
+&quot;
+seems to be a leftover from the Mageia 1 release.
+
+It should be
+&quot;and finally the official release.&quot;
+or something similar.
+
+
+On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Alpha 1 isos are now on the way and tested by QA team before being
+</I>&gt;<i> uploaded on public mirrors. Please have a look here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/**Mageia_3_alpha1&lt;https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_alpha1">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/**Mageia_3_alpha1&lt;https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_alpha1</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Add anything that can be usefull for people interested in Mageia 3
+</I>&gt;<i> development.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and zezinho at 02/09/12 14:43 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A bug came with MGA2 : after suspend/hibernate, wifi connection is only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> half back with some systems, while not with others:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - IP address and DNS are good
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - no default route is added.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyhint for where to search in this bug report is welcome. I use default
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MGA settings, so no network-manager.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6372">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6372</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Possibly related to: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6936">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6936</A> ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks, but not at all : it is without NM, not in Cauldron, and half of
+the IP configuration is done.
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+<PRE>On Sunday 02 September 2012 17:26, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+&gt;<i> Why not simply implement this HOWTO as a shortcut on the desktop (an icon)
+</I>&gt;<i> which would link to an HTML page on the hard disk or on an Internet web site?
+</I>
+Perhaps include it as one of the items on the welcome screen, which is availabe on the desktop already for first timers if I'm not mistaken.
+
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+ <B>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad</B>
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+<PRE>Le 02/09/2012 16:25, Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_alpha1">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_alpha1</A>
+</I>I find :
+&gt;<i> You can download it from <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/3/">http://www.mageia.org/3/</A> directly (easiest
+</I>&gt;<i> way) or by selecting your mirror from <A HREF="http://mirrors.mageia.org/">http://mirrors.mageia.org/</A> and
+</I>&gt;<i> going into isos/cauldron.
+</I>but <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/3/">http://www.mageia.org/3/</A> don't exist now !
+
+--
+Amicalement vOOotre Troumad Alias Bernard SIAUD
+mon site : <A HREF="http://troumad.org">http://troumad.org</A> : AD&amp;D maths WEB...
+Pour la libert&#233; <A HREF="http://www.developpez.net/forums/f17/systemes/linux/">http://www.developpez.net/forums/f17/systemes/linux/</A>
+N'envoyez que des documents avec des formats ouverts, comme
+<A HREF="http://fr.libreoffice.org">http://fr.libreoffice.org</A>
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+ <B>Xavier Bertaux</B>
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+<PRE>Le 02/09/2012 21:53, Bernard Siaud alias Troumad a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 02/09/2012 16:25, Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_alpha1">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_alpha1</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I find :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can download it from <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/3/">http://www.mageia.org/3/</A> directly (easiest
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> way) or by selecting your mirror from <A HREF="http://mirrors.mageia.org/">http://mirrors.mageia.org/</A> and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> going into isos/cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> but <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/3/">http://www.mageia.org/3/</A> don't exist now !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi Bernard,
+
+No, I think that it will be avaibable the 4th september.
+
+Cheers
+Xavier
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+ <B>Pascal Terjan</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Jose Jorge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 31/08/2012 11:40, Pascal Terjan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Currently %make is expanded to make -j&lt;nb cpu&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like it to be replaced with make -l&lt;nb cpu&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some activities, like USB transfers are seen as huge system load (I often
+</I>&gt;<i> get more than 4 on a monocpu system, while is CPU is idle to compile. So I
+</I>&gt;<i> think we may end with a side effect that build time will be longer....
+</I>
+Currently I see the following cases:
+- 1 big job with parallel makefile (like kernel), it will probably run
+more builds in parallel as building 24 .o does not cause a load of 24
+- 2 big jobs with parallel makefile, it will probably reduce things as
+currently each of them run 24 builds in parallel, leading to a load of
+about 40, now the load will be 24
+- 1 big job and a small one: I am not sure there will be much change
+- 1 or 2 small jobs: no change
+
+And yes the load is not only the cpu, but that's a good thing. If we
+have 40 processes trashing the disk it's better to not start more even
+if we have 20 cpu idling
+
+But yes it needs to be tested
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+&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1:3-6.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 287501
+</I>&gt;<i> - gimp-help renamed
+</I>
+In that case, this is wrong.
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+<PRE>2012/9/3 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 3 September 2012 04:58, fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1:3-6.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 287501
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - gimp-help renamed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In that case, this is wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is gimp-help-XX that should obsolete/provides gimp-help2-XX
+</I>Already done. But I remembered rpmsrate only recognize plain name
+provides, where virtual provides won't work.
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+<PRE>On 3 September 2012 07:51, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1:3-6.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 287501
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - gimp-help renamed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In that case, this is wrong.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is gimp-help-XX that should obsolete/provides gimp-help2-XX
+</I>&gt;<i> Already done. But I remembered rpmsrate only recognize plain name
+</I>&gt;<i> provides, where virtual provides won't work.
+</I>
+OK then.
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+<PRE>Le 03/09/2012 08:31, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 3 September 2012 07:51, Funda Wang&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fwang&lt;fwang&gt; 1:3-6.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 287501
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - gimp-help renamed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In that case, this is wrong.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is gimp-help-XX that should obsolete/provides gimp-help2-XX
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Already done. But I remembered rpmsrate only recognize plain name
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> provides, where virtual provides won't work.
+</I>&gt;<i> OK then.
+</I>
+seems there is a bug in the script that make the rpmsrate from the
+rpmsrate_raw
+<A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/media_info/rpmsrate">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/media_info/rpmsrate</A>
+at least the 4 commits are still here:
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw?r1=276485&amp;r2=287501">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw?r1=276485&amp;r2=287501</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 03/09/12 00:18 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Jose Jorge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 31/08/2012 11:40, Pascal Terjan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Currently %make is expanded to make -j&lt;nb cpu&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like it to be replaced with make -l&lt;nb cpu&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some activities, like USB transfers are seen as huge system load (I often
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> get more than 4 on a monocpu system, while is CPU is idle to compile. So I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think we may end with a side effect that build time will be longer....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently I see the following cases:
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 big job with parallel makefile (like kernel), it will probably run
+</I>&gt;<i> more builds in parallel as building 24 .o does not cause a load of 24
+</I>&gt;<i> - 2 big jobs with parallel makefile, it will probably reduce things as
+</I>&gt;<i> currently each of them run 24 builds in parallel, leading to a load of
+</I>&gt;<i> about 40, now the load will be 24
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 big job and a small one: I am not sure there will be much change
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 or 2 small jobs: no change
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And yes the load is not only the cpu, but that's a good thing. If we
+</I>&gt;<i> have 40 processes trashing the disk it's better to not start more even
+</I>&gt;<i> if we have 20 cpu idling
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But yes it needs to be tested
+</I>
+And of course in the context of the BS, the IO load will not be
+artificially high from USB type transfers so it will probably be &quot;real&quot; IO.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
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+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>On a fresh install with this morning's cauldron, the first boot of the
+system drops to a Repair shell with the message:
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+ mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+ dracut Warning: *** An error occurred during the file system check
+
+This has to have happened since the last ISOs were cut, since I haven't
+noticed a similar complain about them.
+
+WIP, oh-I-know-what-that-is, or do you want a bug report ?
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+<PRE>On 3 September 2012 18:09, Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On a fresh install with this morning's cauldron, the first boot of the
+</I>&gt;<i> system drops to a Repair shell with the message:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut Warning: *** An error occurred during the file system check
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This has to have happened since the last ISOs were cut, since I haven't
+</I>&gt;<i> noticed a similar complain about them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WIP, oh-I-know-what-that-is, or do you want a bug report ?
+</I>
+Yes. Attach your /root/drakx/report.bug.gz and assign to Colin :-)
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 03/09/12 17:46 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 3 September 2012 18:09, Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On a fresh install with this morning's cauldron, the first boot of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> system drops to a Repair shell with the message:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dracut Warning: *** An error occurred during the file system check
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This has to have happened since the last ISOs were cut, since I haven't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> noticed a similar complain about them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WIP, oh-I-know-what-that-is, or do you want a bug report ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes. Attach your /root/drakx/report.bug.gz and assign to Colin :-)
+</I>
+
+Also the ddebug.log from the install would be useful too.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 03/09/12 17:59 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 03/09/12 17:46 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 3 September 2012 18:09, Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On a fresh install with this morning's cauldron, the first boot of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> system drops to a Repair shell with the message:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dracut Warning: *** An error occurred during the file system check
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This has to have happened since the last ISOs were cut, since I haven't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> noticed a similar complain about them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WIP, oh-I-know-what-that-is, or do you want a bug report ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes. Attach your /root/drakx/report.bug.gz and assign to Colin :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also the ddebug.log from the install would be useful too.
+</I>
+Actually I'm sure that's in the report.bug.gz, so don't bother!
+
+We should really compress these with xz these days :p
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+First, there is a situation that could have influenced this. I have
+had little time for the last few weeks. I stayed with regular updates
+to Cauldron until just after the /usr move thing, and all was well
+when I left it.
+
+This weekend I went back to the netbook, booted Cauldron, and updated
+- - a *very* large update. All still looked well.
+
+I had been using the netbook with a VGA switch box, so I was used to
+seeing the display on the netbook losing its lower end, while I worked
+on a larger monitor. Preparing for my holiday, though, I disconnected
+it from the switchbox, depending on the netbook native display (Intel
+embedded).
+
+For some reason it refuses to forget the VGA setting. In MCC it tells
+me that there is no VGA screen output active, yet the screen image
+clearly shows a ghost-like VGA image underneath the LVDS1 image.
+
+Is there any way I can get this back to a workable situation?
+
+Thanks
+
+Anne
+- --
+Need KDE help? Try
+<A HREF="http://userbase.kde.org">http://userbase.kde.org</A> or
+<A HREF="http://forum.kde.org">http://forum.kde.org</A>
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+please du not update kde 4.9.1 when it will be available on wednesday as we
+are on iso creation.
+
+Mikala will update kde as soon as ennael give the Go ( when isos will be OK ).
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+Regards
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+<PRE>Le mardi 4 septembre 2012 01:11:58 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> please du not update kde 4.9.1 when it will be available on wednesday as we
+</I>&gt;<i> are on iso creation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mikala will update kde as soon as ennael give the Go ( when isos will be OK
+</I>&gt;<i> ).
+</I>And ideally do not touch current spec since everything is already build
+locally so i won't have to sync again before committing.
+
+Regards,
+
+--
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+
+Could anybody check why BS has been stalled twice at gstream0.10? I
+don't see any problems here.
+
+Thanks.
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+
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+<PRE>On 3 September 2012 19:00, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On a fresh install with this morning's cauldron, the first boot of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> system drops to a Repair shell with the message:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dracut Warning: *** An error occurred during the file system check
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This has to have happened since the last ISOs were cut, since I haven't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> noticed a similar complain about them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WIP, oh-I-know-what-that-is, or do you want a bug report ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes. Attach your /root/drakx/report.bug.gz and assign to Colin :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also the ddebug.log from the install would be useful too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually I'm sure that's in the report.bug.gz, so don't bother!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We should really compress these with xz these days :p
+</I>
+Done in my git tree
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could anybody check why BS has been stalled twice at gstream0.10? I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't see any problems here.
+</I>
+Stalled running test suite:
+Running suite(s): GstValue
+100%: Checks: 36, Failures: 0, Errors: 0
+PASS: gst/gstvalue
+Running suite(s): states
+
+On x86_64 and i586.
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Revision: 272801
+</I>&gt;<i> Author: tmb
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: 2012-07-20 13:55:13 +0200 (Fri, 20 Jul 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message:
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------
+</I>&gt;<i> drop old manpages in favour of the newer man-pages rpm
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+It seems the man pages removed from glibc are not packaged in man-pages either.
+So, we are currently not providing man pages like ld.so(8)
+
+&gt;<i> @@ -1227,7 +1225,6 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -f $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_sysconfdir}/localtime
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -f $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_sbindir}/zdump
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -f $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_sbindir}/zic
+</I>&gt;<i> -rm -f $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_mandir}/man1/zdump.1*
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/zoneinfo
+</I>&gt;<i> %endif
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1242,7 +1239,6 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_bindir}
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_sbindir}
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}
+</I>&gt;<i> -rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_mandir}
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_infodir}
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_prefix}/etc
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_libdir}/gconv
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1407,9 +1403,6 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> %config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/rpc
+</I>&gt;<i> %doc nis/nss
+</I>&gt;<i> %doc posix/gai.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_mandir}/man1/*
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_mandir}/man8/rpcinfo.8*
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_mandir}/man8/ld.so*
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_datadir}/locale/locale.alias
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin/sln
+</I>&gt;<i> %dir %{_prefix}/libexec/getconf
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1493,7 +1486,6 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> #
+</I>&gt;<i> %if &quot;%{name}&quot; == &quot;glibc&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin/ldconfig
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_mandir}/man8/ldconfig*
+</I>&gt;<i> %ghost %{_sysconfdir}/ld.so.cache
+</I>&gt;<i> %dir %{_var}/cache/ldconfig
+</I>&gt;<i> %ghost %{_var}/cache/ldconfig/aux-cache
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1706,7 +1698,6 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> %files -n timezone
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_sbindir}/zdump
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_sbindir}/zic
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_mandir}/man1/zdump.1*
+</I>&gt;<i> %dir %{_datadir}/zoneinfo
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_datadir}/zoneinfo/*
+</I>&gt;<i> %endif
+</I>
+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
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+<PRE>Olivier Blin skrev 4.9.2012 12:06:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Revision: 272801
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Author: tmb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Date: 2012-07-20 13:55:13 +0200 (Fri, 20 Jul 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drop old manpages in favour of the newer man-pages rpm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems the man pages removed from glibc are not packaged in man-pages either.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, we are currently not providing man pages like ld.so(8)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes I know some pages are missing, so I intended to add them to the
+man-pages rpm instead.
+
+The glibc-manpages tarball we shipped with glibc was ancient,
+wich is why I dropped it :)
+
+It's on my TODO soon'ish...
+
+--
+Thomas
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and tv at 02/09/12 17:26 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Name : x11-driver-video-intel Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2.20.6 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Sun Sep 2 18:24:53 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : System/X11 Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 1629670 License: MIT
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : tv &lt;tv&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://xorg.freedesktop.org">http://xorg.freedesktop.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : X.org driver for Intel graphics controllers
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-intel is the X.org driver for Intel video chipsets.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 2.20.6-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 287324
+</I>&gt;<i> - new release
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Anyone else notice a lot of graphical glitches with this new driver
+(screen contents jump around and are rendered in the wrong place)?
+
+The previous one was better behaved for me.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C5045EB72.9080100%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 04/09/12 12:49 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and tv at 02/09/12 17:26 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : x11-driver-video-intel Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 2.20.6 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Sun Sep 2 18:24:53 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group : System/X11 Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 1629670 License: MIT
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : tv &lt;tv&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://xorg.freedesktop.org">http://xorg.freedesktop.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : X.org driver for Intel graphics controllers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-intel is the X.org driver for Intel video chipsets.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 2.20.6-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 287324
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - new release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone else notice a lot of graphical glitches with this new driver
+</I>&gt;<i> (screen contents jump around and are rendered in the wrong place)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The previous one was better behaved for me.
+</I>
+Hmm, and as I write this from the old driver install, it misbehaves too. :s
+
+I suspect something behind gnome-shell causing issues with the
+compositing layer.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%20x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C20120904152836.4f7fc253%40lap.shlomifish.org%3E"
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+<PRE>Hi Colin,
+
+On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 12:52:18 +0100
+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 04/09/12 12:49 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'Twas brillig, and tv at 02/09/12 17:26 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Name : x11-driver-video-intel Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; relocatable) Version : 2.20.6
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Vendor: Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Build Date: Sun Sep 2 18:24:53 2012 Install Date: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Group : System/X11 Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Size : 1629670 License: MIT
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Signature : (none) Packager : tv &lt;tv&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; URL : <A HREF="http://xorg.freedesktop.org">http://xorg.freedesktop.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Summary : X.org driver for Intel graphics controllers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; x11-driver-video-intel is the X.org driver for Intel video
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; chipsets.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; tv &lt;tv&gt; 2.20.6-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; + Revision: 287324
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - new release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Anyone else notice a lot of graphical glitches with this new driver
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (screen contents jump around and are rendered in the wrong place)?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The previous one was better behaved for me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, and as I write this from the old driver install, it misbehaves
+</I>&gt;<i> too. :s
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suspect something behind gnome-shell causing issues with the
+</I>&gt;<i> compositing layer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Everything appears to be working fine in KDE 4 with the desktop effects enabled.
+I can try with gnome 3 later on.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+<PRE>On 4 September 2012 16:11, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision 5642 Author rda Date 2012-09-04 16:11:36 +0200 (Tue, 04 Sep 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> skip packages with no name
+</I>
+Is that possible?
+
+&gt;<i> Modified: build_system/web/test_index.php
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- build_system/web/test_index.php 2012-09-04 14:02:39 UTC (rev 5641)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ build_system/web/test_index.php 2012-09-04 14:11:36 UTC (rev 5642)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -33,7 +33,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> if (!is_dir($upload_dir)) {
+</I>&gt;<i> $msg = &quot;$upload_dir does not exist on this system. Please check your
+</I>&gt;<i> config.&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> error_log($msg);
+</I>&gt;<i> - //die($msg);
+</I>&gt;<i> + die($msg);
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $g_user = isset($_GET['user']) ? htmlentities(strip_tags($_GET['user'])) :
+</I>&gt;<i> null;
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -281,6 +281,10 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if ($total &gt; 0) {
+</I>&gt;<i> foreach ($pkgs as $key =&gt; $p) {
+</I>&gt;<i> + if (trim($p['package']) == '') {
+</I>&gt;<i> + continue;
+</I>&gt;<i> + }
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> $s .= sprintf($tmpl,
+</I>&gt;<i> $p['type'],
+</I>&gt;<i> timediff(key2timestamp($key)) . ' ago',
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -346,7 +350,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $s .= '&lt;table style=&quot;width: 100%&quot;&gt;&lt;caption&gt;Stats.&lt;/caption&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;th
+</I>&gt;<i> colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;Status&lt;/th&gt;&lt;th&gt;Count&lt;/th&gt;&lt;th&gt;%&lt;/th&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;';
+</I>&gt;<i> foreach ($stats as $k =&gt; $v) {
+</I>&gt;<i> - $s .= sprintf('&lt;tr class=&quot;%s&quot;&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;status-box&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td
+</I>&gt;<i> class=&quot;number&quot;&gt;%s&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;%d&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;percent&quot;&gt;%d%%&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;',
+</I>&gt;<i> + $s .= sprintf('&lt;tr class=&quot;%s&quot;&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;status-box&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td
+</I>&gt;<i> class=&quot;number&quot;&gt;%s&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;number&quot;&gt;%d&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td
+</I>&gt;<i> class=&quot;percent&quot;&gt;%d%%&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;',
+</I>&gt;<i> $k, $k, $v, round($v/$total*100));
+</I></PRE>
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+&gt;<i> pterjan &lt;pterjan&gt; 1:3-7.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 288017
+</I>&gt;<i> - Simplify rpmsrate-raw so that clean-rpmsrate can parse it
+</I>&gt;<i> - Add a sanity check
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+You forgot bug ID.
+And to close that BR too...
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Thierry Vignaud
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 4 September 2012 16:11, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 5642 Author rda Date 2012-09-04 16:11:36 +0200 (Tue, 04 Sep 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> skip packages with no name
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is that possible?
+</I>
+Well, I am guilty of not having checked further why, but it happens
+that at the end of the list of packages being built, we used to have
+all the info, except the package name. So it may be that it was
+mis-parsed, but why on these specific occurrences? is it related to
+the fact that it's &quot;old packages&quot; (submitted about 48 hours before)
+and that some parts of the related files were already removed?
+
+By the way, there are some builds that get a strangely reported build
+duration (15588 days; always the same value when it occurs). I didn't
+investigate yet.
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Thierry Vignaud
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 4 September 2012 16:11, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 5642 Author rda Date 2012-09-04 16:11:36 +0200 (Tue, 04 Sep 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> skip packages with no name
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is that possible?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I am guilty of not having checked further why, but it happens
+</I>&gt;<i> that at the end of the list of packages being built, we used to have
+</I>&gt;<i> all the info, except the package name. So it may be that it was
+</I>&gt;<i> mis-parsed, but why on these specific occurrences? is it related to
+</I>&gt;<i> the fact that it's &quot;old packages&quot; (submitted about 48 hours before)
+</I>&gt;<i> and that some parts of the related files were already removed?
+</I>
+It is related, files are not removed but to get information we do a
+find of files with a limit on mtime, so we are missing some
+information if they were submitted over 2 days ago but built less than
+2 days ago
+
+&gt;<i> By the way, there are some builds that get a strangely reported build
+</I>&gt;<i> duration (15588 days; always the same value when it occurs). I didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> investigate yet.
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+&gt;<i> By the way, there are some builds that get a strangely reported build
+</I>&gt;<i> duration (15588 days)
+</I>
+$ LC_ALL=C date --date '-15588 days'
+Wed Dec 31 18:25:48 CET 1969
+
+Now That would be a loong build time, it it weren't wrong. :-)=
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+<PRE>On 4 September 2012 19:29, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> debugging...
+</I>
+Err... You can debug w/o commiting that...
+
+&gt;<i> --- build_system/web/test_index.php 2012-09-04 17:20:56 UTC (rev 5662)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ build_system/web/test_index.php 2012-09-04 17:29:19 UTC (rev 5663)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -46,12 +46,14 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> $date_gen = date('c');
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $matches = get_submitted_packages($upload_dir);
+</I>&gt;<i> +echo 'debug:count:matches', count($matches), '&lt;br&gt;';
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> list($pkgs, $hosts, $build_dates, $buildtime_total) =
+</I>&gt;<i> get_refined_packages_list(
+</I>&gt;<i> $matches,
+</I>&gt;<i> isset($_GET['package']) ? $_GET['package'] : null,
+</I>&gt;<i> isset($_GET['user']) ? $_GET['user'] : null
+</I>&gt;<i> );
+</I>&gt;<i> +echo 'debug:count:pkgs', count($pkgs), '&lt;br&gt;';
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> list($stats, $users, $total, $pkgs) = build_stats($pkgs);
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I></PRE>
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+&gt;<i> Code reorg.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - CSS move in style.css
+</I>&gt;<i> - configuration values move in conf.php
+</I>&gt;<i> - function definitions move in lib.php
+</I>&gt;<i> - a few code style fixes
+</I>&gt;<i> - test_index.php to test these changes before pushing to prod file
+</I>
+It's a good practice to do smaller commits, aka separating code reorg
+from actual style fixes.
+Else nobody can actually review those style fixes as they're lost among
+unrelated stuff (aka poor SNR)
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+&gt;<i> new get_refined_packages_list(); fix get_submitted_packages()
+</I>
+Likewise, this should have been two differents commits.
+If you do big commits b/c of SVN, you can ease your workflow by
+switching from SVN to git:
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+git svn clone svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/build_system/web">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/build_system/web</A>
+
+svn ci =&gt; git ci
+likewise for commit/add/...
+then run &quot;git svn dcommit&quot; in order to &quot;push&quot; all your work in SVN
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 4 September 2012 19:29, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> debugging...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Err... You can debug w/o commiting that...
+</I>
+Agreed, I would welcome a way to get a sample of the files tree
+(what's under /home/schedbot/uploads) to replicate a more similar
+environment on my workstation - I don't expect to go on the production
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+&gt;<i> Name : clutter Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.11.14 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Tue Sep 4 20:59:01 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Graphics Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 4987732 License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://clutter-project.org/">http://clutter-project.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Software library for fast, visually rich GUIs
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Clutter is an open source software library for creating fast, visually rich
+</I>&gt;<i> graphical user interfaces. The most obvious example of potential usage is in
+</I>&gt;<i> media center type applications. We hope however it can be used for a lot more.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Clutter uses OpenGL (and soon optionally OpenGL ES) for rendering but with an
+</I>&gt;<i> API which hides the underlying GL complexity from the developer. The Clutter
+</I>&gt;<i> API is intended to be easy to use, efficient and flexible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 1.11.14-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 288211
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild due to new gobject-introspection, changing API, breaking gnome-shell
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The i586 version seems to be lost in the ether, has not got to the mirrors...
+
+--
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Winter is coming...
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+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Flrig is a transceiver control program designed to be used either stand
+</I>&gt;<i> alone or as an adjunct to fldigi. The user interface changes to accommodate
+</I>&gt;<i> the degree of CAT support available for the transceiver in use.
+</I>&gt;<i> The back end control code for each transceiver is unique to flrig.
+</I>&gt;<i> No additional libraries or definition files are required.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Authors:
+</I>&gt;<i> --------
+</I>&gt;<i> W1HKJ - <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">w1hkj at w1hkj.com</A>
+</I>
+%description != AUTHORS file.
+Please remove the 3 last lines from %description
+
+&gt;<i> fedya &lt;fedya&gt; 1.3.08-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 288250
+</I>&gt;<i> - version updat 1.3.08
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+&gt;<i> i had to boot again with the vga monitor pluuged and set the
+</I>&gt;<i> output to my notebook display again. After that it booted ok.
+</I>And i didn't use mcc, but just krandrtray settings
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+Il 03/09/2012 19:40, Anne Wilson ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> For some reason it refuses to forget the VGA setting. In MCC it
+</I>&gt;<i> tells me that there is no VGA screen output active, yet the screen
+</I>&gt;<i> image clearly shows a ghost-like VGA image underneath the LVDS1
+</I>&gt;<i> image.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any way I can get this back to a workable situation?
+</I>hmm just a shoot in the dark, i experienced a similar problem
+in mga2, i think it was related to kde and its settings because
+i had to boot again with the vga monitor pluuged and set the output
+to my notebook display again. After that it booted ok.
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+little bit unstable. Please just fix outright if you want.
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+Noticed:
+- GNOME shell not being able to unlock the screen
+ probably have to drop the patch or something
+- Totem not starting up
+ missing gstreamer 1.0 dependencies
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+I'll plan to look into above in the evening.
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+Aside from this I want to bump the ibus version to match Fedora. This as
+without it, you miss nice options (setting compose key, etc). The ibus
+support can still be disabled at runtime btw (just don't have
+ibus-daemon running).
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+&gt;<i> There have been some pretty huge GNOME updates. Some stuff is probably a
+</I>&gt;<i> little bit unstable. Please just fix outright if you want.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Noticed:
+</I>&gt;<i> - GNOME shell not being able to unlock the screen
+</I>&gt;<i> probably have to drop the patch or something
+</I>&gt;<i> - Totem not starting up
+</I>&gt;<i> missing gstreamer 1.0 dependencies
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll plan to look into above in the evening.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Aside from this I want to bump the ibus version to match Fedora. This as
+</I>&gt;<i> without it, you miss nice options (setting compose key, etc). The ibus
+</I>&gt;<i> support can still be disabled at runtime btw (just don't have
+</I>&gt;<i> ibus-daemon running).
+</I>
+It's a shame these updates happened while alpha 1 isos were in
+progress... Can we sync better next time ?
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 05/09/12 08:34 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> There have been some pretty huge GNOME updates. Some stuff is probably a
+</I>&gt;<i> little bit unstable. Please just fix outright if you want.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Noticed:
+</I>&gt;<i> - GNOME shell not being able to unlock the screen
+</I>&gt;<i> probably have to drop the patch or something
+</I>
+Can't see I notice this. In the past it was related to gdm and we
+patched it accordingly. I've now updated gdm to the latest release (tho'
+a new one is due any time) and it seems to work fine here.
+
+&gt;<i> - Totem not starting up
+</I>&gt;<i> missing gstreamer 1.0 dependencies
+</I>
+Yeah confirmed here. Likely just some gst plugins that are needed as you
+said.
+
+Col
+
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+<PRE>fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
+
+&gt;<i> Name : gstreamer1.0-plugins-base Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 0.11.93 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 3.mga3 Build Date: Tue Sep 4 12:29:07 2012
+</I>
+[...]
+
+&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0.11.93-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 287969
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix libname
+</I>&gt;<i> - add requires on libname
+</I>&gt;<i> - update file list
+</I>
+The library with the old name (lib64gstreamer-plugins-base1.0_1.0)
+should be manually deleted from the mirrors, it has not been
+automatically removed since the name has changed.
+
+urpmi offers both the old and the new one:
+
+In order to satisfy the 'libgstaudio-1.0.so.0()(64bit)' dependency, one
+of the following packages is needed:
+ 1- lib64gstreamer-plugins-base1.0_0-0.11.93-4.mga3.x86_64: GStreamer
+ plugin libraries (to install)
+ 2- lib64gstreamer-plugins-base1.0_1.0-0.11.93-2.mga3.x86_64: GStreamer
+ plugin libraries (to install)
+What is your choice? (1-2)
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 05/09/12 01:40 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 09/04/2012 09:01 PM, ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : clutter Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 1.11.14 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Tue Sep 4
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 20:59:01 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group : Graphics Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 4987732 License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://clutter-project.org/">http://clutter-project.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : Software library for fast, visually rich GUIs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Clutter is an open source software library for creating fast, visually
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rich
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> graphical user interfaces. The most obvious example of potential usage
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> media center type applications. We hope however it can be used for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lot more.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Clutter uses OpenGL (and soon optionally OpenGL ES) for rendering but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> API which hides the underlying GL complexity from the developer. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Clutter
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> API is intended to be easy to use, efficient and flexible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 1.11.14-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 288211
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild due to new gobject-introspection, changing API, breaking
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-shell
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The i586 version seems to be lost in the ether, has not got to the
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrors...
+</I>
+Resubmitted.
+
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+<PRE>Could somebody just remove the old wrong libname from repo?
+lib{,64}gstreamer-plugins-base1.0_1.0
+
+2012/9/5 Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : gstreamer1.0-plugins-base Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 0.11.93 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 3.mga3 Build Date: Tue Sep 4 12:29:07 2012
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0.11.93-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 287969
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix libname
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add requires on libname
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update file list
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The library with the old name (lib64gstreamer-plugins-base1.0_1.0)
+</I>&gt;<i> should be manually deleted from the mirrors, it has not been
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically removed since the name has changed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi offers both the old and the new one:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In order to satisfy the 'libgstaudio-1.0.so.0()(64bit)' dependency, one
+</I>&gt;<i> of the following packages is needed:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1- lib64gstreamer-plugins-base1.0_0-0.11.93-4.mga3.x86_64: GStreamer
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin libraries (to install)
+</I>&gt;<i> 2- lib64gstreamer-plugins-base1.0_1.0-0.11.93-2.mga3.x86_64: GStreamer
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin libraries (to install)
+</I>&gt;<i> What is your choice? (1-2)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 04/09/12 17:57 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Thierry Vignaud
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 4 September 2012 16:11, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 5642 Author rda Date 2012-09-04 16:11:36 +0200 (Tue, 04 Sep 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> skip packages with no name
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is that possible?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, I am guilty of not having checked further why, but it happens
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that at the end of the list of packages being built, we used to have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all the info, except the package name. So it may be that it was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mis-parsed, but why on these specific occurrences? is it related to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the fact that it's &quot;old packages&quot; (submitted about 48 hours before)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and that some parts of the related files were already removed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is related, files are not removed but to get information we do a
+</I>&gt;<i> find of files with a limit on mtime, so we are missing some
+</I>&gt;<i> information if they were submitted over 2 days ago but built less than
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 days ago
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> By the way, there are some builds that get a strangely reported build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> duration (15588 days; always the same value when it occurs). I didn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> investigate yet.
+</I>
+So 15588 would be days since epoch. I guess it's the same as Pascal's
+comment. If it was submitted over 2 days ago we might not read the
+submit time and it ends up getting a timestamp of 0 and thus 15588 days
+to build.
+
+Col
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Funda Wang at 05/09/12 09:02 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Could somebody just remove the old wrong libname from repo?
+</I>&gt;<i> lib{,64}gstreamer-plugins-base1.0_1.0
+</I>
+Done. Metadata will update on next pkg upload.
+
+Col
+
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+Day Job:
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+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 05/09/12 08:34 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There have been some pretty huge GNOME updates. Some stuff is probably a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> little bit unstable. Please just fix outright if you want.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Noticed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - GNOME shell not being able to unlock the screen
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> probably have to drop the patch or something
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can't see I notice this. In the past it was related to gdm and we
+</I>&gt;<i> patched it accordingly. I've now updated gdm to the latest release (tho'
+</I>&gt;<i> a new one is due any time) and it seems to work fine here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Totem not starting up
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> missing gstreamer 1.0 dependencies
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah confirmed here. Likely just some gst plugins that are needed as you
+</I>&gt;<i> said.
+</I>
+I have added requires in totem for soundtouch (pitch element) and
+gstclutter.
+
+But to be really usable, I guess it would need gstreamer1.0-ffmpeg to be
+packaged.
+
+Also, packagekit does not seem to be able to install gstreamer1.0-faad
+(when playing YouTube videos):
+
+** Message: Missing plugin: gstreamer|1.0|totem|H.264
+decoder|decoder-video/x-h264, stream-format=(string)avc,
+alignment=(string)au, level=(string)2.1,
+profile=(string)constrained-baseline, parsed=(boolean)true (H.264
+decoder)
+** Message: Missing plugin: gstreamer|1.0|totem|MPEG-4 AAC
+decoder|decoder-audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4, framed=(boolean)true,
+stream-format=(string)raw, level=(string)2, base-profile=(string)lc,
+profile=(string)lc (MPEG-4 AAC decoder)
+** Message: PackageKit: xid = 100663307
+** Message: PackageKit: not for GStreamer 0.10
+** Message: skipping gstreamer|1.0|totem|H.264
+decoder|decoder-video/x-h264, stream-format=(string)avc,
+alignment=(string)au, level=(string)2.1,
+profile=(string)constrained-baseline, parsed=(boolean)true
+** Message: PackageKit: not for GStreamer 0.10
+** Message: skipping gstreamer|1.0|totem|MPEG-4 AAC
+decoder|decoder-audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4, framed=(boolean)true,
+stream-format=(string)raw, level=(string)2, base-profile=(string)lc,
+profile=(string)lc
+** Message: no codec lines could be parsed
+** Message: Missing plugin installation failed: install-error
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 04/09/12 17:57 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> By the way, there are some builds that get a strangely reported build
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> duration (15588 days; always the same value when it occurs). I didn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> investigate yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So 15588 would be days since epoch. I guess it's the same as Pascal's
+</I>&gt;<i> comment. If it was submitted over 2 days ago we might not read the
+</I>&gt;<i> submit time and it ends up getting a timestamp of 0 and thus 15588 days
+</I>&gt;<i> to build.
+</I>
+Ok. So at this point (where we do a find to get the files), what's the
+good approach: just leave the package/build out of the list if we
+can't get its name (that's the new behaviour in my pending new index
+page) or fix the find to get all? I'd say the former.
+
+Two others things that are aside this very point:
+
+* we could gain more insight over the whole submission/build process
+if we could store data about way past builds (not necessarily the full
+details of each build, at least not right now, but at least the
+basics: when, who, what package, how long it took on which host, what
+was the result). One way to do it would be to have a database in which
+we can push and update info about each submission, as it happens
+(today, everything is only in the filesystem). What control points
+would need to be modified to push information into such a database?
+
+* today, submissions are shown simply by src package. Should we show
+submission results per arch? (what if i586 passes and x86_64 fails for
+instance).
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+<PRE>2012/9/5 Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> I have added requires in totem for soundtouch (pitch element) and
+</I>&gt;<i> gstclutter.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But to be really usable, I guess it would need gstreamer1.0-ffmpeg to be
+</I>&gt;<i> packaged.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, packagekit does not seem to be able to install gstreamer1.0-faad
+</I>&gt;<i> (when playing YouTube videos):
+</I>That is quite normal, as packagekit-urpmi backend is currently lack of
+maintenance, so broken.
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+<PRE>On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 09:54:20AM +0200, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+&gt;<i> It's a shame these updates happened while alpha 1 isos were in
+</I>&gt;<i> progress... Can we sync better next time ?
+</I>
+Oops. I thought it was out.. I've already recommended people to try
+alpha 1.
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 04/09/12 17:57 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> By the way, there are some builds that get a strangely reported build
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> duration (15588 days; always the same value when it occurs). I didn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> investigate yet.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So 15588 would be days since epoch. I guess it's the same as Pascal's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> comment. If it was submitted over 2 days ago we might not read the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> submit time and it ends up getting a timestamp of 0 and thus 15588 days
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to build.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok. So at this point (where we do a find to get the files), what's the
+</I>&gt;<i> good approach: just leave the package/build out of the list if we
+</I>&gt;<i> can't get its name (that's the new behaviour in my pending new index
+</I>&gt;<i> page) or fix the find to get all? I'd say the former.
+</I>
+Yes that's fine
+
+&gt;<i> Two others things that are aside this very point:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * we could gain more insight over the whole submission/build process
+</I>&gt;<i> if we could store data about way past builds (not necessarily the full
+</I>&gt;<i> details of each build, at least not right now, but at least the
+</I>&gt;<i> basics: when, who, what package, how long it took on which host, what
+</I>&gt;<i> was the result). One way to do it would be to have a database in which
+</I>&gt;<i> we can push and update info about each submission, as it happens
+</I>&gt;<i> (today, everything is only in the filesystem). What control points
+</I>&gt;<i> would need to be modified to push information into such a database?
+</I>
+Ulri would probably be enough expect for upload, so maybe ulri + emi
+But then it would be better to instead use that as reference in
+ulri/emi instead of looking through the filesystem :)
+
+&gt;<i> * today, submissions are shown simply by src package. Should we show
+</I>&gt;<i> submission results per arch? (what if i586 passes and x86_64 fails for
+</I>&gt;<i> instance).
+</I>
+It can not happen unless there is a bug, they are submitted together
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+I have a box (really a netbook) where all the systemd units that need PrivateTmp
+(rtkit, cups, ...) fail to start with a 226/NAMESPACE error.
+In other boxes (a couple desktops), all work fine.
+
+Any idea ?
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+TIA
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+&gt;<i> Name : totem Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 3.5.90 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Wed Sep 5 10:25:26 2012
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+I get this error message under Firefox:
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+Couldn't load the '/usr/share/totem/mozilla-viewer.ui' interface. Invalid object type `TotemGlowButton'
+Make sure that Totem is properly installed.
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+as a conflict:
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+Installation failed: file /etc/nagios from install of
+nrpe-2.13-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+nagios-1:3.4.1-7.mga3.x86_64
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+My options are:
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+- make nrpe package ship a file under /etc/nagios without shipping the
+directory
+- make nrpe package install its configuration file elsewhere
+--
+BOFH excuse #258:
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+That's easy to fix, but I can't be bothered.
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+&gt;<i> It seems than rpm now consider two packages shipping the same directory as a
+</I>&gt;<i> conflict:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed: file /etc/nagios from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> nrpe-2.13-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> nagios-1:3.4.1-7.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My options are:
+</I>&gt;<i> - make nrpe package conflict with nagios package
+</I>&gt;<i> - make nrpe package ship a file under /etc/nagios without shipping the
+</I>&gt;<i> directory
+</I>&gt;<i> - make nrpe package install its configuration file elsewhere
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+I would got for #2
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+&gt;&gt;<i> My options are:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - make nrpe package conflict with nagios package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - make nrpe package ship a file under /etc/nagios without shipping the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - make nrpe package install its configuration file elsewhere
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would got for #2
+</I>Starting with #0 or #1 :) ?
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+--
+BOFH excuse #130:
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+<PRE>On 05/09/12 12:08, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 09/05/2012 10:29 AM, blino wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : totem Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 3.5.90 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Wed Sep 5 10:25:26 2012
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I get this error message under Firefox:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Couldn't load the '/usr/share/totem/mozilla-viewer.ui' interface.
+</I>&gt;<i> Invalid object type `TotemGlowButton'
+</I>&gt;<i> Make sure that Totem is properly installed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No idea about what is it...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I found the same in QA on the ISOs.
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7359">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7359</A>
+
+It seems related to flash content, affects Web (epiphany) too.
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+<PRE>Claire Robinson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> On 05/09/12 12:08, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 09/05/2012 10:29 AM, blino wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : totem Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 3.5.90 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Wed Sep 5 10:25:26 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I get this error message under Firefox:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Couldn't load the '/usr/share/totem/mozilla-viewer.ui' interface.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Invalid object type `TotemGlowButton'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Make sure that Totem is properly installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No idea about what is it...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I found the same in QA on the ISOs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7359">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7359</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems related to flash content, affects Web (epiphany) too.
+</I>
+As well as chromium
+
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 05/09/12 12:35 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a box (really a netbook) where all the systemd units that need
+</I>&gt;<i> PrivateTmp
+</I>&gt;<i> (rtkit, cups, ...) fail to start with a 226/NAMESPACE error.
+</I>&gt;<i> In other boxes (a couple desktops), all work fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any idea ?
+</I>
+First guess is how is your /tmp working? Is there some weird error on
+it. I presume other units work OK?
+
+Second guess would be something related to kernel. Is it a different
+flavour of kernel (e.g. a netbook flavour)? If so there is perhaps an
+option that needs turning on that is missed out on that flavour.
+
+Col
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+
+--
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 05/09/12 12:46 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> It seems than rpm now consider two packages shipping the same directory
+</I>&gt;<i> as a conflict:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed: file /etc/nagios from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> nrpe-2.13-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> nagios-1:3.4.1-7.mga3.x86_64
+</I>
+Are you referring to specs that have:
+
+%dir /etc/foo
+
+here? If so, won't this affect a metric crapload of packages?
+
+Col
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+<PRE>On 5 September 2012 17:11, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision 5686 Author rtp Date 2012-09-05 17:11:26 +0200 (Wed, 05 Sep 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi.cfg file while creating
+</I>&gt;<i> the chroot.
+</I>
+Wrong, it's always removed
+
+&gt;<i> This has the side effect of forcing people to use things like
+</I>&gt;<i> --chrooted-urpmi even if the iurt configuration is fine (since it managed
+</I>&gt;<i> to create the chroot). So, add media while creating the build chroot for
+</I>&gt;<i> non-local media, as long as --chrooted-urpmi has not been used.
+</I>
+Anyway this is insane IMHO: new logic is:
+- add media
+- install pkgs
+- remove media
+- readd media
+
+Either you should use --chrooted-urpmi (instead of re-implementing it)
+or you should just not remove the media in the first place when using
+use__urpmi_root,
+aka if using remote media
+
+&gt;<i> --- build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm 2012-09-05 15:07:40 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 5685)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm 2012-09-05 15:11:26 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 5686)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -300,11 +300,23 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sub create_build_chroot {
+</I>&gt;<i> my ($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run, $config) = @_;
+</I>&gt;<i> + my $ret = 0;
+</I>&gt;<i> if ($run-&gt;{storage} eq 'btrfs') {
+</I>
+this is perl, no need to initialize to 0.
+
+&gt;<i> - return create_build_chroot_btrfs($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run,
+</I>&gt;<i> $config);
+</I>&gt;<i> + $ret = create_build_chroot_btrfs($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run,
+</I>&gt;<i> $config);
+</I>&gt;<i> } else {
+</I>&gt;<i> - return create_build_chroot_tar($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run,
+</I>&gt;<i> $config);
+</I>&gt;<i> + $ret = create_build_chroot_tar($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run,
+</I>&gt;<i> $config);
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> + if ($ret) {
+</I>&gt;<i> + my $urpmi = $run-&gt;{urpmi};
+</I>&gt;<i> + if ($urpmi-&gt;{use__urpmi_root} &amp;&amp; !$run-&gt;{chrooted_urpmi}) {
+</I>&gt;<i> + if (!$urpmi-&gt;add_media__urpmi_root($chroot, $config-&gt;{base_media})) {
+</I>&gt;<i> + plog('ERROR', &quot;urpmi.addmedia --urpmi-root failed&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> + return;
+</I>&gt;<i> + }
+</I>&gt;<i> + }
+</I>&gt;<i> + }
+</I>&gt;<i> + return $ret;
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sub create_build_chroot_tar {
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+<PRE>On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 01:08:06PM +0200, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+&gt;<i> I get this error message under Firefox:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Couldn't load the '/usr/share/totem/mozilla-viewer.ui' interface. Invalid object type `TotemGlowButton'
+</I>&gt;<i> Make sure that Totem is properly installed.
+</I>
+&gt;<i>From upstream:
+</I>|<i> Looks like your linker is trimming the glow button widget from the
+</I>|<i> totem-plugin-viewer binary. You'll probably want to review your linker
+</I>|<i> flags.
+</I>
+see
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683429">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683429</A>
+
+assistance very welcome!
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+ <B>Guillaume Rousse</B>
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+<PRE>Le 05/09/2012 17:28, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 05/09/12 12:46 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It seems than rpm now consider two packages shipping the same directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as a conflict:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed: file /etc/nagios from install of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nrpe-2.13-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nagios-1:3.4.1-7.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you referring to specs that have:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %dir /etc/foo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> here? If so, won't this affect a metric crapload of packages?
+</I>Exactly. Unless I've missing something obvious.
+
+--
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+<PRE>On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 07:53:13PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Exactly. Unless I've missing something obvious.
+</I>
+IIRC permissions had to be different
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+<PRE>Le 05/09/2012 19:55, Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 07:53:13PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Exactly. Unless I've missing something obvious.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIRC permissions had to be different
+</I>Good catch, I just fixed the nagios package who had a group-writable
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+<PRE>will there be a meeting?
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+if yes, i'd like to propose adding the following:
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+this was agreed on before holidays,it's kind of after holidays now, and it'd
+be nice if we could get 2317 behind us, (afaik all the work has been done
+already, i just needs to get comitted + released + validated + pushed.
+
+- then also, the tool for QA team to move/delete updates_testing (&amp; file
+advisory also in discriptions file; so that rpmdrake actually get's the info
+for updates.
+
+i know this is all in the works though but still.
+
+in any case, if anyone can help with this, it would be nice to know if we can
+help this along (especially bug 2317)
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+ <B>Anne Nicolas</B>
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+<PRE>Le 05/09/2012 20:14, AL13N a &#233;crit :
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+Hi there
+
+&gt;<i> will there be a meeting?
+</I>
+We are finalizing isos for alpha1, which this time was a real alpha full
+of funny bugs. We hope to be able to release it tomorrow.
+
+So we will postpone meeting to next week
+
+Thanks
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if yes, i'd like to propose adding the following:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - status on bug 2317 (&amp; backports)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this was agreed on before holidays,it's kind of after holidays now, and it'd
+</I>&gt;<i> be nice if we could get 2317 behind us, (afaik all the work has been done
+</I>&gt;<i> already, i just needs to get comitted + released + validated + pushed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - then also, the tool for QA team to move/delete updates_testing (&amp; file
+</I>&gt;<i> advisory also in discriptions file; so that rpmdrake actually get's the info
+</I>&gt;<i> for updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i know this is all in the works though but still.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in any case, if anyone can help with this, it would be nice to know if we can
+</I>&gt;<i> help this along (especially bug 2317)
+</I>
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+ <B>AL13N</B>
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 5 september 2012 20:33:32 schreef Anne Nicolas:
+&gt;<i> Le 05/09/2012 20:14, AL13N a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will there be a meeting?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are finalizing isos for alpha1, which this time was a real alpha full
+</I>&gt;<i> of funny bugs. We hope to be able to release it tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So we will postpone meeting to next week
+</I>
+
+np, keep up the good work!
+
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; if yes, i'd like to propose adding the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - status on bug 2317 (&amp; backports)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this was agreed on before holidays,it's kind of after holidays now, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it'd be nice if we could get 2317 behind us, (afaik all the work has been
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; done already, i just needs to get comitted + released + validated +
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pushed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - then also, the tool for QA team to move/delete updates_testing (&amp; file
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; advisory also in discriptions file; so that rpmdrake actually get's the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; info for updates.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i know this is all in the works though but still.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in any case, if anyone can help with this, it would be nice to know if we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can help this along (especially bug 2317)
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_alpha1">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_alpha1</A>
+
+Please update it at least for your own part.
+
+Cheers
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 05/09/12 19:10 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 05/09/2012 19:55, Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 07:53:13PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Exactly. Unless I've missing something obvious.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IIRC permissions had to be different
+</I>&gt;<i> Good catch, I just fixed the nagios package who had a group-writable
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/nagios directory.
+</I>
+Ahh phew! Good catch indeed. Makes sense.
+
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+ <B>Charles A Edwards</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 19:53:13 +0200
+Guillaume Rousse wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 05/09/12 12:46 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It seems than rpm now consider two packages shipping the same
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; directory as a conflict:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Installation failed: file /etc/nagios from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; nrpe-2.13-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; nagios-1:3.4.1-7.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Are you referring to specs that have:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %dir /etc/foo
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; here? If so, won't this affect a metric crapload of packages?
+</I>&gt;<i> Exactly. Unless I've missing something obvious.
+</I>
+You are missing something (-;
+
+I think the error from rpm is that 2 pkgs want to own the same
+directory../etc/nagios
+
+
+In this case nrpe is a nagios addon.
+It should
+Require: nagios
+which Does install and should own /etc/nagios
+and the %dir /etc/foo should be dropped from nrpe.spec
+
+
+ Charles
+
+
+--
+You want to know why I kept getting promoted? Because my mouth knows
+more than my brain.
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
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+I guess BS stalled at i586 repo again for now. Could somebody give a check?
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess BS stalled at i586 repo again for now. Could somebody give a check?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Fixed. (it was a broken hdlist on i586)
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+&gt;<i> In this case nrpe is a nagios addon.
+</I>&gt;<i> It should
+</I>&gt;<i> Require: nagios
+</I>&gt;<i> which Does install and should own /etc/nagios
+</I>&gt;<i> and the %dir /etc/foo should be dropped from nrpe.spec
+</I>The 'R' in NRPE is for Remote: NRPE is a nagios agent, to be installed
+on remote machines, not on the nagios machine itself.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi.cfg file while creating
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the chroot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrong, it's always removed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This has the side effect of forcing people to use things like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --chrooted-urpmi even if the iurt configuration is fine (since it managed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to create the chroot). So, add media while creating the build chroot for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-local media, as long as --chrooted-urpmi has not been used.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway this is insane IMHO: new logic is:
+</I>&gt;<i> - add media
+</I>&gt;<i> - install pkgs
+</I>&gt;<i> - remove media
+</I>&gt;<i> - readd media
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Either you should use --chrooted-urpmi (instead of re-implementing it)
+</I>&gt;<i> or you should just not remove the media in the first place when using
+</I>&gt;<i> use__urpmi_root,
+</I>&gt;<i> aka if using remote media
+</I>
+Ping?
+Does this patch works for your usage?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 06/09/12 09:08 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> +++ b/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -300,23 +300,11 @@ sub check_chroot_need_update {
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sub create_build_chroot {
+</I>&gt;<i> my ($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run, $config) = @_;
+</I>&gt;<i> - my $ret = 0;
+</I>&gt;<i> if ($run-&gt;{storage} eq 'btrfs') {
+</I>&gt;<i> - $ret = create_build_chroot_btrfs($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run, $config);
+</I>&gt;<i> + return create_build_chroot_btrfs($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run, $config);
+</I>&gt;<i> } else {
+</I>&gt;<i> - $ret = create_build_chroot_tar($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run, $config);
+</I>&gt;<i> + return create_build_chroot_tar($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run, $config);
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>
+
+Not sure if it fits your own coding style, but I would leave the &quot;else&quot;
+out here as it's redundant.
+
+Col
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> Name : x11-server Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.13.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Thu Sep 6 10:58:27 2012
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+<PRE>Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> On 5 September 2012 18:05, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi.cfg file while creating
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the chroot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrong, it's always removed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This has the side effect of forcing people to use things like
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --chrooted-urpmi even if the iurt configuration is fine (since it managed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to create the chroot). So, add media while creating the build chroot for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> non-local media, as long as --chrooted-urpmi has not been used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyway this is insane IMHO: new logic is:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add media
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - install pkgs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - remove media
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - readd media
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Either you should use --chrooted-urpmi (instead of re-implementing it)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or you should just not remove the media in the first place when using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> use__urpmi_root,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> aka if using remote media
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ping?
+</I>&gt;<i> Does this patch works for your usage?
+</I>@@ -440,8 +428,11 @@ sub build_chroot {
+ }
+
+ # remove files used by --urpmi-root
+- sudo($config, &quot;--rm&quot;, &quot;$tmp_chroot/etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg&quot;);
+- sudo($config, &quot;--rm&quot;, &quot;$tmp_chroot/var/lib/urpmi/*&quot;);
++ #if (!$urpmi-&gt;{use__urpmi_root} || $run-&gt;{chrooted_urpmi}) {
++ if (!($urpmi-&gt;{use__urpmi_root} &amp;&amp; !$run-&gt;{chrooted_urpmi})) {
++ sudo($config, &quot;--rm&quot;, &quot;$tmp_chroot/etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg&quot;);
++ sudo($config, &quot;--rm&quot;, &quot;$tmp_chroot/var/lib/urpmi/*&quot;);
++ }
+
+I thought about similar change too. My usage is avoiding to do something like :
+$ iurt --chrooted-urpmi -m core/release -- <A HREF="http://127.0.0.1/">http://127.0.0.1/</A> -r cauldron &lt;arch&gt; &lt;src.rpm&gt;
+
+when you already have this very same media in the iurt
+configuration. So, I guess this change will fix it. Unfortunately, it
+may bring troubles in some corner cases.
+
+For instance:
+
+Someone installs iurt and then creates a chroot with:
+$ iurt -r cauldron &lt;arch&gt; -c
+
+(repository url <A HREF="http://127.0.0.1/">http://127.0.0.1/</A>)
+
+Now, tries to rebuild with:
+
+$ iurt --chrooted-urpmi -m myother/release -- <A HREF="http://10.0.0.1/">http://10.0.0.1/</A> -r cauldron &lt;arch&gt; &lt;src.rpm&gt;
+
+With your proposed change, the urpmi.cfg file won't be the same. I don't
+know if it matters in practice but I wanted to avoid any regressions as
+most as possible.
+
+Arnaud
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+<PRE>I can't find what's going wrong here:
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3/build.0.20120906132528.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3/build.0.20120906132528.log</A>
+--
+BOFH excuse #218:
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+The UPS doesn't have a battery backup.
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+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/updates/20120906110801.tv.valstar.6527/log/null-9-3.mga3/build.0.20120906120047.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/updates/20120906110801.tv.valstar.6527/log/null-9-3.mga3/build.0.20120906120047.log</A>
+
+2012/9/6 Guillaume Rousse &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> I can't find what's going wrong here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3/build.0.20120906132528.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3/build.0.20120906132528.log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> BOFH excuse #218:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The UPS doesn't have a battery backup.
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+&gt;<i> I can't find what's going wrong here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3/build.0.20120906132528.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3/build.0.20120906132528.log</A>
+</I>
+Only one arch.
+See <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/status.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/status.log</A>
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+&gt;<i> See here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/updates/20120906110801.tv.valstar.6527/log/null-9-3.mga3/build.0.20120906120047.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/updates/20120906110801.tv.valstar.6527/log/null-9-3.mga3/build.0.20120906120047.log</A>
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+I think this one is different. In this one there was an error during
+%clean.
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+&gt;<i> I can't find what's going wrong here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3/build.0.20120906132528.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3/build.0.20120906132528.log</A>
+</I>
+Maybe a bug in iurt.
+
+I'm not sure about this, but it seems that iurt is using a regexp to
+find some errors :
+
+m!/bin/ld: cannot find -l(\S*)|configure.*error.* (?:-l(\S+)|(\S+) includes)!
+
+at line 967 in this file :
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/build_system/iurt/trunk/iurt?revision=5553&amp;view=markup#l967">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/build_system/iurt/trunk/iurt?revision=5553&amp;view=markup#l967</A>
+
+And it looks like the regexp can match this line :
+
++ ./configure --build=x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --sysconfdir=/etc --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/lib64 --localstatedir=/var --sharedstatedir=/usr/com --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --x-includes=/usr/include --x-libraries=/usr/lib64 --without-rpm --enable-static --enable-shared --sysconfdir=/etc --enable-ipv6 --enable-ucd-snmp-compatibility --enable-embedded-perl --with-python-modules --enable-as-needed --with-pic '--with-cflags=-O2 -g -pipe -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -fstack-protector-all -fPIC -D_REENTRANT' '--with-ldflags= -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--build-id -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -lcrypto -lsensors' --with-logfile=/var/log/snmpd.log --with-persistent-directory=/var/lib/net-snmp '--with-mib-modules=host agentx smux ucd-snmp/diskio tcp-mib udp-mib mibII/mta_sendmail ip-mib/ipv4InterfaceTable ip-mib/ipv6InterfaceTable ip-mib/ipAddressPrefixTable/ipAddressPrefixTable ip-mib/ipDefaultRouterTable/ipDefaultRouterTable ip-mib/ipv6ScopeZoneIndexTable ip-mib/ipIfStatsTable sctp-mib rmon-mib etherlike-mib ucd-snmp/lmsensorsMib' --with-libwrap --with-openssl --with-perl-modules=INSTALLDIRS=vendor --enable-mfd-rewrites --enable-local-smux --with-mnttab=/etc/mtab --with-mysql --with-systemd --with-default-snmp-version=3 --with-sys-location=Unknown --with-sys-contact=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 06 Sep 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can't find what's going wrong here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3/build.0.20120906132528.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3/build.0.20120906132528.log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe a bug in iurt.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure about this, but it seems that iurt is using a regexp to
+</I>&gt;<i> find some errors :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> m!/bin/ld: cannot find -l(\S*)|configure.*error.* (?:-l(\S+)|(\S+) includes)!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> at line 967 in this file :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/build_system/iurt/trunk/iurt?revision=5553&amp;view=markup#l967">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/build_system/iurt/trunk/iurt?revision=5553&amp;view=markup#l967</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And it looks like the regexp can match this line :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + ./configure --build=x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --sysconfdir=/etc --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/lib64 --localstatedir=/var --sharedstatedir=/usr/com --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --x-includes=/usr/include --x-libraries=/usr/lib64 --without-rpm --enable-static --enable-shared --sysconfdir=/etc --enable-ipv6 --enable-ucd-snmp-compatibility --enable-embedded-perl --with-python-modules --enable-as-needed --with-pic '--with-cflags=-O2 -g -pipe -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -fstack-protector-all -fPIC -D_REENTRANT' '--with-ldflags= -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--build-id -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -lcrypto -lsensors' --with-logfile=/var/log/snmpd.log --with-persistent-directory=/var/lib/net-snmp '--with-mib-modules=host agentx smux ucd-snmp/diskio tcp-mib udp-mib mibII/mta_sendmail ip-mib/ipv4InterfaceTable ip-mib/ipv6InterfaceTable ip-mib/ipAddressPrefixTable/ipAddressPrefixTable ip-mib/ipDefaultRouterTable/ipDefaultRouterTable ip-mib/ipv6ScopeZoneIndexTable ip-mib/ipIfStatsTable sctp-mib rmon-mib etherlike-mib ucd-snmp/lmsensorsMib' --with-libwrap --with-openssl --with-perl-modules=INSTALLDIRS=vendor --enable-mfd-rewrites --enable-local-smux --with-mnttab=/etc/mtab --with-mysql --with-systemd --with-default-snmp-version=3 --with-sys-location=Unknown --with-sys-contact=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/botcmd.1346937928.jonund.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/botcmd.1346937928.jonund.log</A>
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+<PRE>On Thu, 06 Sep 2012, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On 6 September 2012 16:52, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, 06 Sep 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I can't find what's going wrong here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3/build.0.20120906132528.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3/build.0.20120906132528.log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe a bug in iurt.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm not sure about this, but it seems that iurt is using a regexp to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; find some errors :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; m!/bin/ld: cannot find -l(\S*)|configure.*error.* (?:-l(\S+)|(\S+) includes)!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; at line 967 in this file :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/build_system/iurt/trunk/iurt?revision=5553&amp;view=markup#l967">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/build_system/iurt/trunk/iurt?revision=5553&amp;view=markup#l967</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And it looks like the regexp can match this line :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + ./configure --build=x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --sysconfdir=/etc --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/lib64 --localstatedir=/var --sharedstatedir=/usr/com --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --x-includes=/usr/include --x-libraries=/usr/lib64 --without-rpm --enable-static --enable-shared --sysconfdir=/etc --enable-ipv6 --enable-ucd-snmp-compatibility --enable-embedded-perl --with-python-modules --enable-as-needed --with-pic '--with-cflags=-O2 -g -pipe -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -fstack-protector-all -fPIC -D_REENTRANT' '--with-ldflags= -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--build-id -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -lcrypto -lsensors' --with-logfile=/var/log/snmpd.log --with-persistent-directory=/var/lib/net-snmp '--with-mib-modules=host agentx smux ucd-snmp/diskio tcp-mib udp-mib mibII/mta_sendmail ip-mib/ipv4InterfaceTable ip-mib/ipv6InterfaceTable ip-mib/ipAddressPrefixTable/ipAddressPrefixTable ip-mib/ipDefaultRouterTable/ipDefaultRouterTable ip-mib/ipv6ScopeZoneIndexTable ip-mib/ipIfStatsTable sctp-mib rmon-mib etherlike-mib ucd-snmp/lmsensorsMib' --with-libwrap --with-openssl --with-perl-modules=INSTALLDIRS=vendor --enable-mfd-rewrites --enable-local-smux --with-mnttab=/etc/mtab --with-mysql --with-systemd --with-default-snmp-version=3 --with-sys-location=Unknown --with-sys-contact=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/botcmd.1346937928.jonund.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120906132251.guillomovitch.valstar.31465/log/botcmd.1346937928.jonund.log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't shows any error.
+</I>
+It has this :
+
+D: [iurt] [iurt] calling callback for <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">build_ at 288808</A>:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm
+[iurt] [iurt] likely (-devel) needed to rebuilt @288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm is not in build_requires
+E: [iurt] [iurt] ERROR: call_ret= kill= err=0 (rror.*ailed|Bad exit status|RPM build error)
+F: [iurt] [iurt] See <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/queue/build//cauldron/x86_64//log/@288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/queue/build//cauldron/x86_64//log/@288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm/</A>
+
+Command failed: /usr/bin/sudo /usr/sbin/iurt_root_command --chroot /home/iurt/chroot_tmp/iurt/chroot_cauldron.x86_64.0.20120906132528 /bin/su - iurt -c &quot;TMP=/home/iurt/tmp/ rpmbuild --rebuild /home/iurt/rpm/SRPMS/@288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm&quot;
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+Couldn't load the '/usr/share/totem/mozilla-viewer.ui' interface. Invalid object type `TotemGlowButton'
+Make sure that Totem is properly installed.
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at ThinkFox</A> ~]$ locate mozilla-viewer
+/usr/share/totem/mozilla-viewer.css
+/usr/share/totem/mozilla-viewer.ui
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+But it looks like it is there . . .
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+Any hints would be welcome -
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+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I'm not sure about this, but it seems that iurt is using a regexp to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; find some errors :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; m!/bin/ld: cannot find -l(\S*)|configure.*error.* (?:-l(\S+)|(\S+) includes)!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; at line 967 in this file :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/build_system/iurt/trunk/iurt?revision=5553&amp;view=markup#l967">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/build_system/iurt/trunk/iurt?revision=5553&amp;view=markup#l967</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; And it looks like the regexp can match this line :
+</I>
+(...)
+
+&gt;<i> It has this :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> D: [iurt] [iurt] calling callback for <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">build_ at 288808</A>:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> [iurt] [iurt] likely (-devel) needed to rebuilt @288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm is not in build_requires
+</I>&gt;<i> E: [iurt] [iurt] ERROR: call_ret= kill= err=0 (rror.*ailed|Bad exit status|RPM build error)
+</I>&gt;<i> F: [iurt] [iurt] See <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/queue/build//cauldron/x86_64//log/@288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/queue/build//cauldron/x86_64//log/@288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Command failed: /usr/bin/sudo /usr/sbin/iurt_root_command --chroot /home/iurt/chroot_tmp/iurt/chroot_cauldron.x86_64.0.20120906132528 /bin/su - iurt -c &quot;TMP=/home/iurt/tmp/ rpmbuild --rebuild /home/iurt/rpm/SRPMS/@288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Indeed it's due to the callback.
+I've commited the following patch in git
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I'm not sure about this, but it seems that iurt is using a regexp to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; find some errors :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; m!/bin/ld: cannot find -l(\S*)|configure.*error.* (?:-l(\S+)|(\S+) includes)!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; at line 967 in this file :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/build_system/iurt/trunk/iurt?revision=5553&amp;view=markup#l967">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/build_system/iurt/trunk/iurt?revision=5553&amp;view=markup#l967</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; And it looks like the regexp can match this line :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It has this :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> D: [iurt] [iurt] calling callback for <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">build_ at 288808</A>:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [iurt] [iurt] likely (-devel) needed to rebuilt @288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm is not in build_requires
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> E: [iurt] [iurt] ERROR: call_ret= kill= err=0 (rror.*ailed|Bad exit status|RPM build error)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> F: [iurt] [iurt] See <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/queue/build//cauldron/x86_64//log/@288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/queue/build//cauldron/x86_64//log/@288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Command failed: /usr/bin/sudo /usr/sbin/iurt_root_command --chroot /home/iurt/chroot_tmp/iurt/chroot_cauldron.x86_64.0.20120906132528 /bin/su - iurt -c &quot;TMP=/home/iurt/tmp/ rpmbuild --rebuild /home/iurt/rpm/SRPMS/@288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed it's due to the callback.
+</I>&gt;<i> I've commited the following patch in git
+</I>
+We could also log the matched lines and better stop matching at all
+and just relying
+on rpmbuild exit code...
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+<PRE>On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 14:05:58 +0200 (CEST)
+shlomif wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name : irqbalance Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 1.0.4 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Thu Sep 6 14:03:17 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: jonund.mageia.org Group : System/Kernel and
+</I>&gt;<i> hardware Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;<i> 294854 License: GPLv2+ Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://irqbalance.org/">http://irqbalance.org/</A>
+</I>
+
+2/2: irqbalance ######################
+warning: %post(irqbalance-1.0.4-1.mga3.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit
+status 1
+
+
+ Charles
+
+--
+&quot;Pull the wool over your own eyes!&quot;
+-- J.R. &quot;Bob&quot; Dobbs
+----------------------
+Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+Registered Linux user #182463
+3.5.3-tmb-server-1.mga3 x86_64
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+&gt;<i> Name : qemu Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.2.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Thu Sep 6 15:42:44 2012
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+[...]
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+&gt;<i> guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 1.2.0-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 288853
+</I>&gt;<i> - add smartcard NSS support
+</I>
+This conflicts with libcacard-tools:
+
+installing lib64llvm3.1-3.1-5.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+qemu-1.2.0-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm perl_checker-1.2.21-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+qemu-img-1.2.0-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm irqbalance-1.0.4-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm from
+/var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+Preparing...
+####################################################################################################################################
+Installation failed: file /usr/bin/vscclient from install of
+qemu-img-1.2.0-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+libcacard-tools-0.1.2-1.mga2.x86_64
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+<PRE>I've cleared the low-hanging fruit again and handled the ones I can handle, clearing out most of the in-progress ones.
+
+The rest of these need someone to step up and take responsibility for them if they're gonna get done. Thanks to all that have helped so far.
+
+......... updated initial message below ........
+
+There are several packages that need security updates that either have not been built yet, or there are some issues that need help and/or input from packagers.
+
+Please help out with these where you can.
+
+I'll try to organize these into categories and give a little info on them so it's easy to see if you can and want to help.
+
+Web apps
+--------
+ocsinventory - Mageia 1 package needs to be updated or patched (patches available from MDV)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129</A>
+
+mediawiki - versions we have are at or nearing EOL upstream, probably should be updated. Oliver Burger is working on this.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448</A>
+
+drupal - update built, issues found by QA need fixing. Oliver Burger is working on this.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844</A>
+
+roundcubemail - issues fixed upstream in 0.8.1, or 0.7.3 + patch from Fedora
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7246">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7246</A>
+
+zabbix - issues fixed in 1.8.15 upstream, two possible patches linked in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7277">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7277</A>
+
+GNOME software
+--------------
+empathy - XSS issues fixed upstream in 3.2.1 (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7008">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7008</A>
+
+libvirt - patches available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6526">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6526</A>
+
+libgnomesu - re-diffing the patch might be non-trivial since OpenSuSE has many other patches too
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7068">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7068</A>
+
+gjs - doesn't rebuild against xulrunner in Mageia 1, but doesn't seem to be used by anything
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382</A>
+
+Games
+-----
+openarena, alienarena - affected by DoS bug in quake3 engine. Juan Luis Baptiste is working on this.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5496">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5496</A>
+
+Java-related
+------------
+java-1.7.0-openjdk - IcedTea needs updated in Mageia 2
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7278">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7278</A>
+
+jruby - fixed upstream in 1.6.5.1
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6742">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6742</A>
+
+poi - In progress by D Morgan. Additional updates pending.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6011">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6011</A>
+
+apache-commons-compress - In progress by D Morgan. Mageia 1 updates pending.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331</A>
+
+apache-commons-daemon - fixed upstream in 1.0.7 (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7004">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7004</A>
+
+Ruby-related
+------------
+Several security issues, one possible packaging issue
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6487">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6487</A>
+
+No response has been received from packagers yet
+------------------------------------------------
+openafs - patches available from Debian, plus a newer version is in Mageia 1 than Mageia 2
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7085">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7085</A>
+
+openswan - patches are available from RedHat, one needs re-diffing
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7095">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7095</A>
+
+tor - issues fixed upstream in 0.2.2.34 and 0.2.2.38
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5351">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5351</A>
+
+erlang - issue fixed in R14B03 (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7062">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7062</A>
+
+fuse - patches available from RedHat (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7063">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7063</A>
+
+blender - patch available from Fedora (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7065">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7065</A>
+
+libvoikko - issue fixed in 3.2.1 (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7067">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7067</A>
+
+php-ZendFramework - issues fixed upstream in 1.11.6 (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7083">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7083</A>
+
+abrt/libreport/btparser - should probably be upgraded to newer versions available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6523">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6523</A>
+
+sos - 62 patches available from Fedora
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6525">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6525</A>
+
+x11-server - upstream diffs linked by RedHat, maybe patches available from Ubuntu or Gentoo, plus other security issues fixed by RH/OpenSuSE/Ubuntu
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6744">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6744</A>
+
+In progress (help needed to finish)
+-----------------------------------
+xen - more patches need applied in Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 branches
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931</A>
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+ <B>Olivier Thauvin</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
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+To move between my home and work I swith off my computer using
+pm-suspend.
+
+But when I wake up my laptop, the network is not reset so previous IP
+and route remain (on both ethernet and wifi card).
+
+Pluging and unpluging the ethernet cable has no action and even an
+ifconfig down / ifconfig up does not make the ethernet sending a dhcp
+request.
+
+Am I the only one to have sucj issue ? Any idea about this issue ?
+
+Regards.
+
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To move between my home and work I swith off my computer using
+</I>&gt;<i> pm-suspend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But when I wake up my laptop, the network is not reset so previous IP
+</I>&gt;<i> and route remain (on both ethernet and wifi card).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pluging and unpluging the ethernet cable has no action and even an
+</I>&gt;<i> ifconfig down / ifconfig up does not make the ethernet sending a dhcp
+</I>&gt;<i> request.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Am I the only one to have sucj issue ? Any idea about this issue ?
+</I>
+on my worklaptop (mga2) i use suspend-to-disk, and after i have my
+screensaver, it seems to hang and take quite a while before the
+screensaver actually moves... (1min)?
+
+by that time, the network is down and after a little while after i log in,
+the wifi comes up with the new wifi connection...
+
+or did you use suspend-to-memory? (i used that too, for smaller times, but
+haven't switched locations in between suspends)
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+<PRE>* Maarten Vanraes (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To move between my home and work I swith off my computer using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pm-suspend.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But when I wake up my laptop, the network is not reset so previous IP
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and route remain (on both ethernet and wifi card).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Pluging and unpluging the ethernet cable has no action and even an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ifconfig down / ifconfig up does not make the ethernet sending a dhcp
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; request.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Am I the only one to have sucj issue ? Any idea about this issue ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> on my worklaptop (mga2) i use suspend-to-disk, and after i have my
+</I>&gt;<i> screensaver, it seems to hang and take quite a while before the
+</I>&gt;<i> screensaver actually moves... (1min)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> by that time, the network is down and after a little while after i log in,
+</I>&gt;<i> the wifi comes up with the new wifi connection...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or did you use suspend-to-memory? (i used that too, for smaller times, but
+</I>&gt;<i> haven't switched locations in between suspends)
+</I>
+I use &quot;pm-suspend&quot;, which is suspend to memory.
+
+The problem can be invisible in the case the IP address is still valid
+at wake up.
+
+--
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+Olivier Thauvin
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+ <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B>
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+&gt;<i> Name : x11-driver-video-intel Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2.20.6 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Thu Sep 6 22:55:06 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : System/X11 Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 1629756 License: MIT
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : tv &lt;tv&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://xorg.freedesktop.org">http://xorg.freedesktop.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : X.org driver for Intel graphics controllers
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-intel is the X.org driver for Intel video chipsets.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 2.20.6-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 288933
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for new xserver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Input drivers still prevent my systems to upgrade, perhaps you should
+also rebuild them for this server...
+
+--
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Winter is coming...
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+<PRE>On 7 September 2012 14:31, JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 2.20.6-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 288933
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new xserver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Input drivers still prevent my systems to upgrade, perhaps you should
+</I>&gt;<i> also rebuild them for this server...
+</I>
+If you were wondering, I plan to finish the driver rebuild for
+xserver-1.13 tonight.
+
+I'll have to make first x11-server-devel-1.13.0-1.mga3 requires GL-devel
+else half the drivers fail to compile due to:
+
+$ pkg-config --exists --print-errors &quot;xorg-server &gt;= 1.10 xproto
+inputproto&quot; --print-errors
+Package dri was not found in the pkg-config search path.
+Perhaps you should add the directory containing `dri.pc'
+to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
+Package 'dri', required by 'xorg-server', not found
+
+Yes, even input drivers such as evdev :-(
+nvidia should works fine, ati driver should work soon
+(since ubuntu 12.10 will ship xserver-1.13 too)
+
+As usual, I'll ask for success/failure reports for major drivers before pushing
+it into {core,nonfree}/release
+
+I'll of course wait for mga3a1 to be out too.
+
+See you
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+As you may have seen it, Alpha 1 is available for tests:
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+
+Only DVDs and dual can be downloaded. As said in blog, there are pb with
+Unionfs and tmb is looking for a solution (either fix it or switch to
+another file system)
+
+Cheers
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 07/09/12 12:07 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> * Maarten Vanraes (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To move between my home and work I swith off my computer using
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pm-suspend.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But when I wake up my laptop, the network is not reset so previous IP
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and route remain (on both ethernet and wifi card).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Pluging and unpluging the ethernet cable has no action and even an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ifconfig down / ifconfig up does not make the ethernet sending a dhcp
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> request.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am I the only one to have sucj issue ? Any idea about this issue ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on my worklaptop (mga2) i use suspend-to-disk, and after i have my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> screensaver, it seems to hang and take quite a while before the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> screensaver actually moves... (1min)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by that time, the network is down and after a little while after i log in,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the wifi comes up with the new wifi connection...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or did you use suspend-to-memory? (i used that too, for smaller times, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> haven't switched locations in between suspends)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I use &quot;pm-suspend&quot;, which is suspend to memory.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem can be invisible in the case the IP address is still valid
+</I>&gt;<i> at wake up.
+</I>
+I've certainly seen it where having a network cable plugged in both
+before and after suspend but in different locations and it just keeps
+the old IP from the previous dhcp session but whenever that happens I
+just unplug for a few seconds and replug and it all works it self out.
+
+So I've not really seen your issue sadly.
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Anyone%20know%20where%20/usr/bin/shutdown%20comes%20from%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C504A17E9.7050202%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"
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+ <I>Fri Sep 7 17:51:05 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Not owned by any package so presumably it's from a %post or similar.
+Anyone know which package or a way to easily search for it?
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Olivier Thauvin</B>
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+<PRE>* Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 07/09/12 12:07 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I use &quot;pm-suspend&quot;, which is suspend to memory.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The problem can be invisible in the case the IP address is still valid
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; at wake up.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've certainly seen it where having a network cable plugged in both
+</I>&gt;<i> before and after suspend but in different locations and it just keeps
+</I>&gt;<i> the old IP from the previous dhcp session but whenever that happens I
+</I>&gt;<i> just unplug for a few seconds and replug and it all works it self out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I've not really seen your issue sadly.
+</I>
+Notice I have the same issue with the wifi card, like the deamon
+responsible of the network connectivity checks get out of order.
+
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+ <B>Marja van Waes</B>
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+On 07/09/2012 17:51, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> Not owned by any package so presumably it's from a %post or
+</I>&gt;<i> similar. Anyone know which package or a way to easily search for
+</I>&gt;<i> it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+in my latest install, it was created at exactly the same time as some
+more links in the same directory:
+vigr, udevadm, telinit, swapoff, runlevel, rtstat, rmmod, poweroff,
+pidof, modprobe, modinfo, mkfs.ext2, mkfs.ext3, mkfs.ext4,
+kfs.ext4dev, lsmod, init, insmod, halt, fsck.ext2, fsck.ext3,
+fsck.ext4, fsck.ext4dev, depmod, ctstat, clock, adduser, alternatives
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+On 07/09/2012 18:35, Marja van Waes wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 07/09/2012 17:51, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not owned by any package so presumably it's from a %post or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> similar. Anyone know which package or a way to easily search for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in my latest install, it was created at exactly the same time as
+</I>&gt;<i> some more links in the same directory: vigr, udevadm, telinit,
+</I>&gt;<i> swapoff, runlevel, rtstat, rmmod, poweroff, pidof, modprobe,
+</I>&gt;<i> modinfo, mkfs.ext2, mkfs.ext3, mkfs.ext4, kfs.ext4dev, lsmod, init,
+</I>&gt;<i> insmod, halt, fsck.ext2, fsck.ext3, fsck.ext4, fsck.ext4dev,
+</I>&gt;<i> depmod, ctstat, clock, adduser, alternatives
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+looking at some more installs, I see that everywhere only
+consolehelper and consolehelper-gtk are created at the same time.
+
+They come both from usermode-*-*.mga*.src.rpm
+
+I didn't look any further
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+ <B>Marja van Waes</B>
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+On 07/09/2012 19:36, Marja van Waes wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 07/09/2012 18:35, Marja van Waes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 07/09/2012 17:51, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not owned by any package so presumably it's from a %post or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> similar. Anyone know which package or a way to easily search
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in my latest install, it was created at exactly the same time as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some more links in the same directory: vigr, udevadm, telinit,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> swapoff, runlevel, rtstat, rmmod, poweroff, pidof, modprobe,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> modinfo, mkfs.ext2, mkfs.ext3, mkfs.ext4, kfs.ext4dev, lsmod,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> init, insmod, halt, fsck.ext2, fsck.ext3, fsck.ext4,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fsck.ext4dev, depmod, ctstat, clock, adduser, alternatives
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> looking at some more installs, I see that everywhere only
+</I>&gt;<i> consolehelper and consolehelper-gtk are created at the same time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+s/at the same time/at the same time in the same directory/
+
+&gt;<i> They come both from usermode-*-*.mga*.src.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't look any further
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+ <B>Anssi Hannula</B>
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+<PRE>07.09.2012 18:51, Colin Guthrie kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> Not owned by any package so presumably it's from a %post or similar.
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone know which package or a way to easily search for it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't have it on my cauldron system (~1 month old install):
+
+$ LC_ALL=C ls /usr/bin/shutdown
+ls: cannot access /usr/bin/shutdown: No such file or directory
+
+Anyway, seems to be created/removed by msec according to seclevel:
+/usr/share/msec/plugins/msec.py
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+&gt;<i> Not owned by any package so presumably it's from a %post or similar.
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone know which package or a way to easily search for it?
+</I>
+See grep -i shutdown /usr/share/msec/plugins/*
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 01:08:06PM +0200, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I get this error message under Firefox:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Couldn't load the '/usr/share/totem/mozilla-viewer.ui' interface. Invalid object type `TotemGlowButton'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Make sure that Totem is properly installed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>From upstream:
+</I>&gt;<i> | Looks like your linker is trimming the glow button widget from the
+</I>&gt;<i> | totem-plugin-viewer binary. You'll probably want to review your linker
+</I>&gt;<i> | flags.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> see
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683429">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683429</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> assistance very welcome!
+</I>
+My previous patch only silenced the error, should now be ok in -5
+Looks like it was untested upstream...
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+&gt;<i> Not owned by any package so presumably it's from a %post or similar.
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone know which package or a way to easily search for it?
+</I>
+Looks like it's created by msec, see /usr/share/msec/plugins/msec.py:
+ shutdown.exists() or shutdown.symlink(CONSOLE_HELPER)
+
+And from &quot;rpm -q --scripts usermode&quot;:
+
+postinstall scriptlet (using /bin/sh):
+if [ ! -z &quot;$SECURE_LEVEL&quot; ];then
+if [ -x /usr/sbin/msec -a &quot;$SECURE_LEVEL&quot; -gt &quot;3&quot; ]; then
+/usr/sbin/msec $SECURE_LEVEL || true ; fi
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+<PRE>Le 07/09/2012 17:42, Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you may have seen it, Alpha 1 is available for tests:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/09/07/try-mageia-3-alpha-1/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/09/07/try-mageia-3-alpha-1/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Only DVDs and dual can be downloaded. As said in blog, there are pb
+</I>&gt;<i> with Unionfs and tmb is looking for a solution (either fix it or
+</I>&gt;<i> switch to another file system)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thank you !
+
+--
+Amicalement vOOotre Troumad Alias Bernard SIAUD
+mon site : <A HREF="http://troumad.org">http://troumad.org</A> : AD&amp;D maths WEB...
+Pour la libert&#233; <A HREF="http://www.developpez.net/forums/f17/systemes/linux/">http://www.developpez.net/forums/f17/systemes/linux/</A>
+N'envoyez que des documents avec des formats ouverts, comme
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+&gt;<i> Name : util-linux Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2.22 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 4.mga3.tainted Build Date: Fri Sep 7 20:01:02 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
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+Tainted ???
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+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> Tainted ???
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+An error :-)
+Can you move it back to core/updates_testing please :-) ?
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+&gt;<i> Name : x11-driver-video-nouveau Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.0.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 4.mga3.nonfree Build Date: Fri Sep 7 20:54:01 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : System/X11 Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 522922 License: MIT
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : tv &lt;tv&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/">http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Accelerated open source driver for NVIDIA cards
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers
+</I>&gt;<i> for NVIDIA cards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 1.0.1-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 288995
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for new xserver
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for new xserver
+</I>Nonfree? (Also many others that i wouldn't call nonfree)
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+&gt;<i> On 7 September 2012 20:52, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tainted ???
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> An error :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you move it back to core/updates_testing please :-) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Done.
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+<PRE>On 07.09.2012 21:58, Sander Lepik wrote:
+&gt;<i> 07.09.2012 21:55, tv kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : x11-driver-video-nouveau Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 1.0.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 4.mga3.nonfree Build Date: Fri Sep 7
+</I>
+[...]
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+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 1.0.1-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 288995
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new xserver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new xserver
+</I>&gt;<i> Nonfree? (Also many others that i wouldn't call nonfree)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+A bug in a script tv is using...
+I'll move them when they are all built...
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+there is a bugreport about a broken Firefox starter in lxpanel, when
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7378">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7378</A>
+
+Now what to do? Remove the firefox starter and replace it by a generic
+www-browser one as said in the bug report?
+Or just leave it there and let the users work it out?
+Or completely remove it?
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+Thanks for your comments.
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+Oliver
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+--
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+ <B>Charles A Edwards</B>
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+Olivier Blin wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Not owned by any package so presumably it's from a %post or similar.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Anyone know which package or a way to easily search for it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks like it's created by msec, see /usr/share/msec/plugins/msec.py:
+</I>&gt;<i> shutdown.exists() or shutdown.symlink(CONSOLE_HELPER)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And from &quot;rpm -q --scripts usermode&quot;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> postinstall scriptlet (using /bin/sh):
+</I>&gt;<i> if [ ! -z &quot;$SECURE_LEVEL&quot; ];then
+</I>&gt;<i> if [ -x /usr/sbin/msec -a &quot;$SECURE_LEVEL&quot; -gt &quot;3&quot; ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/msec $SECURE_LEVEL || true ; fi
+</I>&gt;<i> fi
+</I>
+
+Yep.
+
+If you look at the file type it's a symlink to consolehelper.
+If called as user it will require root passwd to run.
+
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+ Charles
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 1.0.1-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 288995
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new xserver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new xserver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nonfree? (Also many others that i wouldn't call nonfree)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A bug in a script tv is using...
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll move them when they are all built...
+</I>
+You can do it now.
+We'll have to fix the broken build tomorrow.
+Sadly ati didn't compiled :-(
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+&gt;<i> On 7 September 2012 21:05, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 1.0.1-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 288995
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new xserver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new xserver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nonfree? (Also many others that i wouldn't call nonfree)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A bug in a script tv is using...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll move them when they are all built...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can do it now.
+</I>
+Already done a few hours ago...
+
+
+&gt;<i> We'll have to fix the broken build tomorrow.
+</I>
+Yep...
+
+&gt;<i> Sadly ati didn't compiled :-(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Fixed by disabling XAA support wich is removed in 1.13
+
+--
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+ <B>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou</B>
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+I'm writing about the current rpm group policy:
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
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+In this list, there are some groups that contain only a handful of
+packages while some others are in the hundreds. It sometimes makes it
+very hard to use rpmdrake (or other tools) to browse the packages. It is
+not a bug per se, but rather an interface issue, particularly with
+inexperienced users.
+
+My interest lies in particular in the Development/Other group. It is
+currently a mess, mixing up programming tools with libraries and
+compilers for the non-major programming languages. Among them, there are
+now 300 packages for OCaml-related packages. I propose we create a
+Development/OCaml group for them.
+I also noticed that despite our policy not having a Development/Tools
+rpm group, some packages started using it (I guess because Fedora and
+Suse have a Development/Tools group). I think this is a good idea and we
+could move there various tools currently in Development/Other like cvs,
+subversion (and all vcs), valgrind, make, autoconf, etc.
+
+If you agree, I will amend our
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+with these two changes
+and get in touch with the appropriate packagers/maintainers to do the
+group change (which is a trivial spec change).
+
+Thanks,
+--
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+ <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pierre-malo.denielou at rhul.ac.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> If you agree, I will amend our
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> with these two changes
+</I>&gt;<i> and get in touch with the appropriate packagers/maintainers to do the
+</I>&gt;<i> group change (which is a trivial spec change).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Could you also add a group Games/First Person Shooters ? currently
+that kind of games are on Games/Arcade, and they aren't really arcade.
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+ <B>Charles A Edwards</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 19:32:53 -0500
+Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Could you also add a group Games/First Person Shooters ? currently
+</I>&gt;<i> that kind of games are on Games/Arcade, and they aren't really arcade.
+</I>
+
+There is at least one, alienarena, that is in Games/Other
+
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+ Charles
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+<PRE>Em 07-09-2012 21:15, Oliver Burger escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> there is a bugreport about a broken Firefox starter in lxpanel, when
+</I>&gt;<i> doing a minimal lxde installation from the dual arch cd.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7378">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7378</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now what to do? Remove the firefox starter and replace it by a generic
+</I>&gt;<i> www-browser one as said in the bug report?
+</I>&gt;<i> Or just leave it there and let the users work it out?
+</I>&gt;<i> Or completely remove it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for your comments.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Can this starter be a file brought by a package, like ff-lxde, suggested
+by lxde and firefox?
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+&gt;<i> Em 07-09-2012 21:15, Oliver Burger escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> Can this starter be a file brought by a package, like ff-lxde, suggested
+</I>&gt;<i> by lxde and firefox?
+</I>Those starters are done by adding lines to a config file (or using the
+config tool for it):
+Our default is:
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+Plugin {
+ type = launchbar
+ Config {
+ Button {
+ id=pcmanfm.desktop
+ }
+ Button {
+ id=firefox.desktop
+ }
+ Button {
+ id=mageia-drakconf.desktop
+ }
+ Button {
+ id=lxterminal.desktop
+ }
+ }
+}
+
+So I'm not sure what to do. We can create a www-browser.desktop file in
+desktop-common-data, which provides www-data itself and is already
+required by lxpanel.
+Then we could make desktop-common-data suggest a browser, but...
+I'm just not sure, what the best way would be.
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
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+</I>&gt;<i> As ruby 1.8 will be dead soon upstream, I'll push ruby 1.9 soon
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Charles A Edwards at 07/09/12 23:16 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 07 Sep 2012 20:08:53 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not owned by any package so presumably it's from a %post or similar.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anyone know which package or a way to easily search for it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Looks like it's created by msec, see /usr/share/msec/plugins/msec.py:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shutdown.exists() or shutdown.symlink(CONSOLE_HELPER)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And from &quot;rpm -q --scripts usermode&quot;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> postinstall scriptlet (using /bin/sh):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if [ ! -z &quot;$SECURE_LEVEL&quot; ];then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if [ -x /usr/sbin/msec -a &quot;$SECURE_LEVEL&quot; -gt &quot;3&quot; ]; then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/msec $SECURE_LEVEL || true ; fi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you look at the file type it's a symlink to consolehelper.
+</I>&gt;<i> If called as user it will require root passwd to run.
+</I>
+
+Ahh nice, thanks for the replies. msec indeed.
+
+We can now replace this symlink with a direct link to systemctl and
+policy kit should take care of things. Seems odd that shutdown was
+affected by msec, but halt, reboot and poweroff were not. Seems kinda
+pointless and a mis-feature really.
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+As it never really worked, I'll kill it from msec and just ship it
+statically. If this msec feature is needed/desirable then it'll need to
+be re-implemented as an automatic edit of the policykit policy.
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> Since alpha 1 of mga3 is out, i'm now pushing KDE SC 4.9.1 on cauldron.
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 8 septembre 2012 07:13:28 Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since alpha 1 of mga3 is out, i'm now pushing KDE SC 4.9.1 on cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Everything should go find (minor the ruby update because build against it
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> awesome :)
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+&gt;<i> Le 08/09/2012 12:15, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 8 septembre 2012 07:13:28 Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Since alpha 1 of mga3 is out, i'm now pushing KDE SC 4.9.1 on cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Everything should go find (minor the ruby update because build against it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; was not tested before)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; awesome :)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Very good, thanks Nicolas! :)
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 8 septembre 2012 12:18:09 Sandro CAZZANIGA a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 08/09/2012 12:15, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 8 septembre 2012 07:13:28 Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Since alpha 1 of mga3 is out, i'm now pushing KDE SC 4.9.1 on cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Everything should go find (minor the ruby update because build against it
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> awesome :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Very good, thanks Nicolas! :)
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+am I alone to get pthread segfaults in the log for various programs??
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+upowerd[759]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f7a03efbfe0 sp 00007fff5497d498
+error 4 in libc-2.16.so[7f7a03dfc000+1a2000]
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+motion[3066]: segfault at 18 ip 00007f98abe78b80 sp 00007fffdbfa6678
+error 4 in libpthread-2.16.so[7f98abe6f000+16000]
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+x11-server-1.13 and rebuild drivers are in */update_testing.
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+The following drivers failed to rebuild:
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+- x11-driver-video-geode
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+Some may have fixes in git or may have fixes in RH.
+I suspect we'll have to drop radeonhd this time.
+
+Status:
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+- major driver that were tested and works OK:
+ o video: ati/radeon
+ o input: evdev wacom[1]
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+- major driver that need being tested:
+ o video: fglrx intel nouveau
+ o input: synaptics
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+- drivers that need being tested for the installer:
+ o video: fbdev vesa
+ o input: keyboard mouse
+
+- less major driver that would be nice to test:
+ o video: openchrome sis vmware
+ o input: joystick vmmouse
+
+- minor driver that would be nice to test:
+ o video: apm ark ast cirrus chips glint i128 i740 modesetting
+neomagic nv r128 rendition s3 s3virge savage siliconmotion sisusb tdfx
+tga trident tseng voodoo xgixp
+ o input: acecad aiptek evtouch fpit hyperpen mutouch penmount
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+Please test.
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+See you
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+[1] minor the usual GNOME crashes
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+&gt;<i> [1] minor the usual GNOME crashes
+</I>
+Crash in libwacom, or something part of git.gnome.org? Please cc me on
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+Hi, If you may recall about a month or two ago, there was a discussion on having a workaround/patch concerning the blue &quot;Tinge&quot; issue when hardware acceleration is enabled in the flash player settings, specifically when watching a video on you tube
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+I would like to kindly ask, where would I download the source for the vdpau workaround/patch?
+
+And also, if it is not too much Trouble, could any of you provide, any Technical detail as to why it gets a blue tinge, or provide a link giving such information?
+Finally, How is mageia in terms of Finances ?I have donated in the past, twice in the spring of this year
+And I am willing to do so again, If needed
+But I would rather contribute this way as I can not find time away from work to be a QA tester or otherwise
+Many Thanks,
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+<PRE>On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 06:47:34AM -0500, Jacob wrote in
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">SNT120-W2959F0785C0DAC8292F2E58AAE0 at phx.gbl</A>&gt;:
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+</I>&gt;<i>Hi, If you may recall about a month or two ago, there was a discussion on
+</I>&gt;<i>having a workaround/patch concerning the blue &quot;Tinge&quot; issue when hardware
+</I>&gt;<i>acceleration is enabled in the flash player settings, specifically when
+</I>&gt;<i>watching a video on you tube
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>I would like to kindly ask, where would I download the source for the
+</I>&gt;<i>vdpau workaround/patch?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>And also, if it is not too much Trouble, could any of you provide, any
+</I>&gt;<i>Technical detail as to why it gets a blue tinge, or provide a link giving
+</I>&gt;<i>such information?
+</I>
+Hi Jacob,
+
+I have little to say on the flash issue other than &quot;I've been plagued by
+it too&quot;.
+
+&gt;<i>Finally, How is mageia in terms of Finances ?I have donated in the past,
+</I>&gt;<i>twice in the spring of this year
+</I>&gt;<i>And I am willing to do so again, If needed
+</I>&gt;<i>But I would rather contribute this way as I can not find time away from
+</I>&gt;<i>work to be a QA tester or otherwise
+</I>
+There was a blog post about that just this week!
+<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/09/05/what-money/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/09/05/what-money/</A>
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+<PRE>On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 01:13:22AM +0100, Pierre-Malo wrote in
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">504A8DA2.5030408 at rhul.ac.uk</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>I'm writing about the current rpm group policy:
+</I>&gt;<i><A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>In this list, there are some groups that contain only a handful of
+</I>&gt;<i>packages while some others are in the hundreds. It sometimes makes it
+</I>&gt;<i>very hard to use rpmdrake (or other tools) to browse the packages. It is
+</I>&gt;<i>not a bug per se, but rather an interface issue, particularly with
+</I>&gt;<i>inexperienced users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>My interest lies in particular in the Development/Other group. It is
+</I>&gt;<i>currently a mess, mixing up programming tools with libraries and
+</I>&gt;<i>compilers for the non-major programming languages. Among them, there are
+</I>&gt;<i>now 300 packages for OCaml-related packages. I propose we create a
+</I>&gt;<i>Development/OCaml group for them.
+</I>&gt;<i>I also noticed that despite our policy not having a Development/Tools
+</I>&gt;<i>rpm group, some packages started using it (I guess because Fedora and
+</I>&gt;<i>Suse have a Development/Tools group). I think this is a good idea and we
+</I>&gt;<i>could move there various tools currently in Development/Other like cvs,
+</I>&gt;<i>subversion (and all vcs), valgrind, make, autoconf, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>If you agree, I will amend our
+</I>&gt;<i><A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>with these two changes
+</I>&gt;<i>and get in touch with the appropriate packagers/maintainers to do the
+</I>&gt;<i>group change (which is a trivial spec change).
+</I>
+Hi Malo,
+
+I am in agreement with your proposal above, but I think the RPM groups
+policy need a wider overhaul. For examples, I miss categories for
+scheduling and productivity, as well as a category for personal finances,
+etc.
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+As these changes also mean an update to our rpmlint package, I think it is
+best if someone drafts up a list of the needed changes and presents that
+in an upcoming dev team meeting for sanctioning.
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+<PRE>On 8 September 2012 14:29, Remco Rijnders &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">remco at webconquest.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> I'm writing about the current rpm group policy:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In this list, there are some groups that contain only a handful of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages while some others are in the hundreds. It sometimes makes it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> very hard to use rpmdrake (or other tools) to browse the packages. It is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not a bug per se, but rather an interface issue, particularly with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> inexperienced users.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My interest lies in particular in the Development/Other group. It is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> currently a mess, mixing up programming tools with libraries and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> compilers for the non-major programming languages. Among them, there are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> now 300 packages for OCaml-related packages. I propose we create a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Development/OCaml group for them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I also noticed that despite our policy not having a Development/Tools
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm group, some packages started using it (I guess because Fedora and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Suse have a Development/Tools group). I think this is a good idea and we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could move there various tools currently in Development/Other like cvs,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> subversion (and all vcs), valgrind, make, autoconf, etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you agree, I will amend our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with these two changes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and get in touch with the appropriate packagers/maintainers to do the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> group change (which is a trivial spec change).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Malo,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am in agreement with your proposal above, but I think the RPM groups
+</I>&gt;<i> policy need a wider overhaul. For examples, I miss categories for scheduling
+</I>&gt;<i> and productivity, as well as a category for personal finances, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As these changes also mean an update to our rpmlint package, I think it is
+</I>&gt;<i> best if someone drafts up a list of the needed changes and presents that in
+</I>&gt;<i> an upcoming dev team meeting for sanctioning.
+</I>
+Yes it may be better.
+_Then_, we'll need to update
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/rpmdrake/trunk/Rpmdrake/icon.pm?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/rpmdrake/trunk/Rpmdrake/icon.pm?view=markup</A>
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+<PRE>I just pushed some mediawiki packages to
+cauldron/updates_testing
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+I need people to help me check, everything is working all right and
+report back to me.
+I only tested new installations yet, no updates from our previous
+mediawiki packages, that's the next step.
+When everything is working, I'd like to backport those packages to 1 and
+2 as well, because our mw-1.6.x we are shipping there is eol for some
+time now and may be a security risk.
+
+Please note:
+The package layout has changed a bit, because of upstream changes.
+mediawiki has removed the math support from the main package and created
+an extension for it.
+In Mga1 and 2 we have
+mediawiki-minimal (without math)
+mediawiki (with math)
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+Now we do have
+mediawiki (without math)
+mediawiki-math (the math extension)
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+We have yet to find a way to make upgrading painless, but since it does
+need the user to act (upgrading the databases,...), we might as well,
+let the user install the math extension manually if he needs it.
+
+Oliver
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> If you may recall about a month or two ago, there was a discussion on
+</I>&gt;<i> having a workaround/patch concerning the blue &quot;Tinge&quot; issue when
+</I>&gt;<i> hardware acceleration is enabled in the flash player settings,
+</I>&gt;<i> specifically when watching a video on you tube
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to kindly ask, where would I download the source for the
+</I>&gt;<i> vdpau workaround/patch?
+</I>
+VDPAU workaround is this one by Stephen Warren (at least firefox, chromium):
+<A HREF="http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~aplattner/libvdpau/commit/?id=ca9e637c61e80145f0625a590c91429db67d0a40">http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~aplattner/libvdpau/commit/?id=ca9e637c61e80145f0625a590c91429db67d0a40</A>
+
+Additionally, we have a patch to make it work with opera and konqueror
+as well:
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/libvdpau/current/SOURCES/libvdpau-workaround-flashplayer-konq-opera.patch?revision=275318&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/libvdpau/current/SOURCES/libvdpau-workaround-flashplayer-konq-opera.patch?revision=275318&amp;view=markup</A>
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+These are included in cauldron, mga1, mga2 libvdpau packages.
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+&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.1-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 289658
+</I>&gt;<i> - Update tarball to 4.9.1
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+&gt;<i> On 8 September 2012 17:22, mikala &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.1-1.mga3:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Update tarball to 4.9.1
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Remove epoch
+</I>&gt;<i> Which means breaking upgrades
+</I>This package has been imported 2 days ago, so at most some upgrade problems in cauldron but
+that's all. Tho' as there was also line &quot;- imported package kde-base-artwork&quot; i don't think
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+So there exists two users (provided by default from the setup pkg)
+called &quot;halt&quot; and &quot;shutdown&quot;. These users just run the halt and shutdown
+commands as their shell. This means su'ing or sudo'ing or setting a
+password and logging in as them, will shut the machine down.
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+This seems like a relic from many years ago and there is no need to
+include such users in this day and age. Should we kill them off?
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+Col
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+eatdirt &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dirteat at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> am I alone to get pthread segfaults in the log for various programs??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> upowerd[759]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f7a03efbfe0 sp 00007fff5497d498
+</I>&gt;<i> error 4 in libc-2.16.so[7f7a03dfc000+1a2000]
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+</I>&gt;<i> motion[3066]: segfault at 18 ip 00007f98abe78b80 sp 00007fffdbfa6678
+</I>&gt;<i> error 4 in libpthread-2.16.so[7f98abe6f000+16000]
+</I>
+A segfault &quot;in&quot; libpthread doesn't mean libpthread is at fault. The
+application (or another library) may simply have handed it an invalid
+pointer.
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+Regards
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+<PRE>On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> We can now replace this symlink with a direct link to systemctl and
+</I>&gt;<i> policy kit should take care of things. Seems odd that shutdown was
+</I>&gt;<i> affected by msec, but halt, reboot and poweroff were not. Seems kinda
+</I>&gt;<i> pointless and a mis-feature really.
+</I>
+I would not say pointless, allowing non root user to shutdown the
+machine makes sense to be part of the security policy of the machine
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+&gt;<i> As it never really worked, I'll kill it from msec and just ship it
+</I>&gt;<i> statically. If this msec feature is needed/desirable then it'll need to
+</I>&gt;<i> be re-implemented as an automatic edit of the policykit policy.
+</I>
+Well a lot of what msec does should be updated for current technologies
+drakx should also be updated to require authorization for actions
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 08/09/12 18:12 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We can now replace this symlink with a direct link to systemctl and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> policy kit should take care of things. Seems odd that shutdown was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> affected by msec, but halt, reboot and poweroff were not. Seems kinda
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pointless and a mis-feature really.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would not say pointless, allowing non root user to shutdown the
+</I>&gt;<i> machine makes sense to be part of the security policy of the machine
+</I>
+As a feature it's not pointless, but as an implementation it didn't
+really cover things and I call it pointless as the feature only covered
+the shutdown binary and not poweroff, halt or reboot binaries.
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> As it never really worked, I'll kill it from msec and just ship it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> statically. If this msec feature is needed/desirable then it'll need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be re-implemented as an automatic edit of the policykit policy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well a lot of what msec does should be updated for current technologies
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx should also be updated to require authorization for actions
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of running as root
+</I>
+Indeedy.
+
+Col
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Le 08/09/12 13:39,Thierry Vignaud nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Malo,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am in agreement with your proposal above, but I think the RPM groups
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> policy need a wider overhaul. For examples, I miss categories for scheduling
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and productivity, as well as a category for personal finances, etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As these changes also mean an update to our rpmlint package, I think it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> best if someone drafts up a list of the needed changes and presents that in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an upcoming dev team meeting for sanctioning.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes it may be better.
+</I>&gt;<i> _Then_, we'll need to update
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/rpmdrake/trunk/Rpmdrake/icon.pm?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/rpmdrake/trunk/Rpmdrake/icon.pm?view=markup</A>
+</I>
+True.
+
+I can draft the change proposal. Please send me your suggestions for
+improvement.
+
+As a reference point, maybe people can have a look at the two extremes:
+<A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RPMGroups">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RPMGroups</A> (29 groups)
+<A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Package_group_guidelines">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Package_group_guidelines</A> (A lot more, 20
+just for games)
+
+So far I have suggestions for:
+
+- Creating:
+ * Development/OCaml
+ * Development/Tools
+ * Games/First Person Shooters (or simply Games/Shoot)
+
+ * some category for scheduling, productivity (?) and personal finance:
+maybe we can create subcategories of Office? (the following are inspired
+from Suse)
+ * Office/Dictionary
+ * Office/Finance
+ * Office/Management
+ * Office/Organizers
+ * Office/Other
+ * Office/Spreadsheets
+ * Office/Suite
+ * Office/Word Processor
+
+ * Security (for all security related tools: encryption, signature,
+ forensics, etc): they are currently spread around file
+- Removing:
+ * Books/Faqs (not used by any package)
+
+As Thierry mentions, these changes mostly affect rpmdrake, where icons
+and possibly translations would need to be adapted.
+I will coordinate these changes needed to rpmdrake once we agree on the
+group list.
+
+Any other suggestions for the groups?
+
+Cheers,
+--
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+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-server-1.13 and rebuild drivers are in */update_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The following drivers failed to rebuild:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - virtualbox
+</I>
+Should AFAIK get supported with the upcoming 4.2.0 (currently RC4 stage)
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+&gt;<i> - x11-driver-video-geode
+</I>&gt;<i> - x11-driver-video-mach64
+</I>&gt;<i> - x11-driver-video-newport
+</I>&gt;<i> - x11-driver-video-psb
+</I>
+Dead driver, will remove...
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+&gt;<i> - x11-driver-video-qxl
+</I>&gt;<i> - x11-driver-video-radeonhd
+</I>
+I agree this one should be dropped.
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+&gt;<i> - x11-driver-video-sisimedia
+</I>&gt;<i> - x11-driver-video-suncg14
+</I>&gt;<i> - x11-driver-video-vmware
+</I>&gt;<i> - x11-driver-video-xgi
+</I>
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+Le 8 sept. 2012 12:22, &quot;mikala&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> Name : kde-base-artwork Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 4.9.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Sat Sep 8 17:15:57
+</I>2012
+&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Graphical desktop/KDE Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 16457459 License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : mikala &lt;mikala&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : KDE 4 application workspace components
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> This package provides the Air and Ariya Splash Screen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.1-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 289658
+</I>&gt;<i> - Update tarball to 4.9.1
+</I>&gt;<i> - Fix folder path
+</I>&gt;<i> - Remove epoch
+</I>&gt;<i> - Fix name in Theme.rc to match Air folder (so we can have a description in
+</I>systemsettings)
+&gt;<i> - imported package kde-base-artwork
+</I>No.
+I forgot to remove the epoch when I created the initial src.rpm .
+It was of course never submitted on the bs so it won't break any upgrade.
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+&gt;<i> Le 8 sept. 2012 12:22, &quot;mikala&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : kde-base-artwork Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version : 4.9.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Sat Sep 8
+</I>17:15:57 2012
+&gt;<i> &gt; Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Group : Graphical desktop/KDE Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Size : 16457459 License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager : mikala &lt;mikala&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary : KDE 4 application workspace components
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This package provides the Air and Ariya Splash Screen.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.1-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 289658
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Update tarball to 4.9.1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Fix folder path
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Remove epoch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Fix name in Theme.rc to match Air folder (so we can have a description
+</I>in systemsettings)
+&gt;<i> &gt; - imported package kde-base-artwork
+</I>&gt;<i> No.
+</I>&gt;<i> I forgot to remove the epoch when I created the initial src.rpm .
+</I>&gt;<i> It was of course never submitted on the bs so it won't break any upgrade.
+</I>Humf, reusing a mail sent with the wrong ident on my phone is not a good
+idea...
+Anyway the No was for Thierry, it won't break upgrade since there's nothing to
+upgrade.
+
+--
+Mageia Contributor
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+ <B>Anssi Hannula</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C504BC3D5.10707%40mageia.org%3E"
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+<PRE>09.09.2012 00:46, Balcaen John kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 8 septembre 2012 18:42:36 Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 8 sept. 2012 12:22, &quot;mikala&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : kde-base-artwork Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 4.9.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Sat Sep 8
+</I>&gt;<i> 17:15:57 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group : Graphical desktop/KDE Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 16457459 License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : mikala &lt;mikala&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : KDE 4 application workspace components
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This package provides the Air and Ariya Splash Screen.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.1-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 289658
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Update tarball to 4.9.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Fix folder path
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Remove epoch
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Fix name in Theme.rc to match Air folder (so we can have a description
+</I>&gt;<i> in systemsettings)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - imported package kde-base-artwork
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I forgot to remove the epoch when I created the initial src.rpm .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It was of course never submitted on the bs so it won't break any upgrade.
+</I>&gt;<i> Humf, reusing a mail sent with the wrong ident on my phone is not a good
+</I>&gt;<i> idea...
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway the No was for Thierry, it won't break upgrade since there's nothing to
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If the &quot;Epoch&quot; was never in any submitted package, then its removal
+should've been SILENT, otherwise the changelog gets very confusing.
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;<i> This seems like a relic from many years ago and there is no need to
+</I>&gt;<i> include such users in this day and age. Should we kill them off?
+</I>
+They are carry-overs/carry-ons from sysvinit.
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+Personally, since I both boot to and reboot/shut down from init3,
+when I actually wish to shutdown the system I use the shutdown command.
+
+And would not keeping both shutdown and halt be useful for system
+administer, and on any multi user systems where user Are Not
+wanted/allowed to shutdown/halt the system.
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+ Charles
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+--
+BOFH excuse #116:
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+the real ttys became pseudo ttys and vice-versa.
+----------------------
+Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+Registered Linux user #182463
+3.5.3-tmb-server-1.mga3 x86_64
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+Please stop messing around with packages that are work in progress and you are
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+If you like, please do zarafa as you already started it.
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+&gt;<i> fwang
+</I>&gt;<i> Please stop messing around with packages that are work in progress and you
+</I>&gt;<i> are not the owner.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you like, please do zarafa as you already started it.
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+<PRE>Le samedi 8 septembre 2012 18:40:58 Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Saturday, September 08, 2012 06:25:51 PM Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fwang
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please stop messing around with packages that are work in progress and you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; are not the owner.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If you like, please do zarafa as you already started it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fwang, please stop!
+</I>
+i think that you should revert to &quot;your&quot; state as you were working on it, and
+pick up funda changes if you find them useful.
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+<PRE>On Saturday 08 September 2012 20:07, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
+&gt;<i> * Games/First Person Shooters (or simply Games/Shoot)
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+Why not simply &quot;Games/Action&quot; ?
+That will also include all kinds of action games, both shooters and none shooters alike.
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+ <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B>
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+<PRE>On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Saturday 08 September 2012 20:07, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Games/First Person Shooters (or simply Games/Shoot)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not simply &quot;Games/Action&quot; ?
+</I>&gt;<i> That will also include all kinds of action games, both shooters and none shooters alike.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well then in that case put them all in Games/Other that already exist
+and that's it. The idea is to be able to find &quot;First Person Shooter&quot;
+like games, and we have already a lot of them (10+), IMO they deserve
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+<PRE>On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Saturday 08 September 2012 20:07, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Games/First Person Shooters (or simply Games/Shoot)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why not simply &quot;Games/Action&quot; ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That will also include all kinds of action games, both shooters and none shooters alike.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well then in that case put them all in Games/Other that already exist
+</I>&gt;<i> and that's it. The idea is to be able to find &quot;First Person Shooter&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> like games, and we have already a lot of them (10+), IMO they deserve
+</I>&gt;<i> their own category.
+</I>
+Some data about Other groups that may need new categories:
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+$ urpmf --qf '%group' . | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr | grep Other
+ 2345 Development/Other
+ 716 Networking/Other
+ 366 Graphical desktop/Other
+ 318 Books/Other
+ 214 System/Configuration/Other
+ 158 Games/Other
+ 72 Sciences/Other
+ 20 Archiving/Other
+
+And more generally:
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+$ urpmf --qf '%group' . | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr
+ 5994 Development/Perl
+ 5469 System/Libraries
+ 5412 Development/Java
+ 2345 Development/Other
+ 2214 Development/C
+ 1354 System/Internationalization
+ 1064 Development/PHP
+ 1018 Development/Ruby
+ 1016 System/Servers
+ 896 Development/Python
+ 716 Networking/Other
+ 698 Sound
+ 696 Graphical desktop/KDE
+ 653 Networking/WWW
+ 579 Video
+ 560 Databases
+ 552 System/Kernel and hardware
+ 546 Development/X11
+ 522 Development/KDE and Qt
+ 446 Text tools
+ 430 Graphics
+ 424 Office
+ 410 Development/C++
+ 366 Graphical desktop/Other
+ 338 Networking/Mail
+ 324 Networking/Instant messaging
+ 322 Development/GNOME and GTK+
+ 318 Books/Other
+ 313 System/X11
+ 313 Games/Arcade
+ 284 Monitoring
+ 258 System/Base
+ 230 Publishing
+ 223 File tools
+ 222 Graphical desktop/GNOME
+ 214 System/Configuration/Other
+ 160 Books/Computer books
+ 158 Games/Other
+ 158 Education
+ 150 System/Fonts/True type
+ 148 Graphical desktop/Xfce
+ 138 Communications
+ 136 Editors
+ 134 System/Configuration/Packaging
+ 128 System/Printing
+ 128 Networking/Remote access
+ 114 Networking/File transfer
+ 114 Games/Strategy
+ 108 Networking/IRC
+ 100 Archiving/Backup
+ 94 Sciences/Mathematics
+ 74 Sciences/Geosciences
+ 72 Sciences/Other
+ 71 System/Configuration/Hardware
+ 70 Games/Boards
+ 64 System/Configuration/Networking
+ 64 Sciences/Computer science
+ 62 Development/Kernel
+ 57 Emulators
+ 52 Graphical desktop/WindowMaker
+ 48 Graphical desktop/Enlightenment
+ 48 Games/Puzzles
+ 48 Development/Databases
+ 46 Documentation
+ 44 Archiving/Compression
+ 44 Accessibility
+ 40 System/Cluster
+ 38 Terminals
+ 38 Sciences/Chemistry
+ 36 Shells
+ 32 Toys
+ 30 Networking/News
+ 30 Archiving/Cd burning
+ 26 System/Configuration/Boot and Init
+ 26 Games/Cards
+ 24 Games/Adventure
+ 20 Sciences/Physics
+ 20 Archiving/Other
+ 18 Development/Libraries
+ 14 Sciences/Astronomy
+ 14 Books/Howtos
+ 10 System/Fonts/X11 bitmap
+ 10 Sciences/Biology
+ 10 Networking/Chat
+ 10 Graphical desktop/Icewm
+ 10 Development/Tools
+ 8 System/Fonts/Type1
+ 6 Games/Sports
+ 4 System/Configuration/Printing
+ 2 Graphical desktop/FVWM based
+ 2 Development/Debug
+ 2 Development
+
+Looking at Development/Other:
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+$ urpmf --group Development/Other | cut -d: -f1 | cut -d- -f1 | sort |
+uniq -c | sort -nr | head
+ 558 ocaml
+ 120 gambas3
+ 120 erlang
+ 50 mono
+ 26 harbour
+ 24 lua
+ 22 php
+ 20 perl
+ 20 juffed
+ 20 eclipse
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+So, ocaml, erlang and basic seem to need a category
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+<PRE>On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Saturday 08 September 2012 20:07, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Games/First Person Shooters (or simply Games/Shoot)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Why not simply &quot;Games/Action&quot; ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That will also include all kinds of action games, both shooters and none shooters alike.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well then in that case put them all in Games/Other that already exist
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and that's it. The idea is to be able to find &quot;First Person Shooter&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> like games, and we have already a lot of them (10+), IMO they deserve
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their own category.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some data about Other groups that may need new categories:
+</I>
+Also, the list of empty groups:
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+Books/Faqs
+Books/Literature
+Graphical desktop/Sawfish
+System/Fonts/Console
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+<PRE>If you mean libkolabxml and libkolab, these two packages are not
+comply mandriva/mageia lib policy, there are just plain imported
+fedora packages. They are not using our compilation flags and macros.
+They are introducing unneeded requires both for runtime and devel
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+For zarafa, I mean to rebuild it with boost 1.50.0, but it failed due
+to the fact it is using old filesystem api. So, I tried to bump to
+latest minor version, but failed again.
+
+2012/9/9 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> fwang
+</I>&gt;<i> Please stop messing around with packages that are work in progress and you are
+</I>&gt;<i> not the owner.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you like, please do zarafa as you already started it.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas Spuhler
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+<PRE>BTW, what do you want to do with 389ds*? See here:
+<A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html</A>
+
+2012/9/9 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> If you mean libkolabxml and libkolab, these two packages are not
+</I>&gt;<i> comply mandriva/mageia lib policy, there are just plain imported
+</I>&gt;<i> fedora packages. They are not using our compilation flags and macros.
+</I>&gt;<i> They are introducing unneeded requires both for runtime and devel
+</I>&gt;<i> time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For zarafa, I mean to rebuild it with boost 1.50.0, but it failed due
+</I>&gt;<i> to the fact it is using old filesystem api. So, I tried to bump to
+</I>&gt;<i> latest minor version, but failed again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/9/9 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fwang
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please stop messing around with packages that are work in progress and you are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not the owner.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you like, please do zarafa as you already started it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Spuhler
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Charles A Edwards at 09/09/12 01:42 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 17:49:57 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This seems like a relic from many years ago and there is no need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> include such users in this day and age. Should we kill them off?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They are carry-overs/carry-ons from sysvinit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally, since I both boot to and reboot/shut down from init3,
+</I>&gt;<i> when I actually wish to shutdown the system I use the shutdown command.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And would not keeping both shutdown and halt be useful for system
+</I>&gt;<i> administer, and on any multi user systems where user Are Not
+</I>&gt;<i> wanted/allowed to shutdown/halt the system.
+</I>
+I think you're talking about the halt and shutdown *commands* here, not
+the *users*?
+
+The users just have the commands as their shell and you need to give
+them a password and that lets people &quot;login&quot; as those users to then
+halt/shutdown the machine. As you say the commands themeselves serve
+that purpose these days so I think the user definitions can just go.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>08.09.2012 19:49, Colin Guthrie kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So there exists two users (provided by default from the setup pkg)
+</I>&gt;<i> called &quot;halt&quot; and &quot;shutdown&quot;. These users just run the halt and shutdown
+</I>&gt;<i> commands as their shell. This means su'ing or sudo'ing or setting a
+</I>&gt;<i> password and logging in as them, will shut the machine down.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This seems like a relic from many years ago and there is no need to
+</I>&gt;<i> include such users in this day and age. Should we kill them off?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>+1 on removing them. I didn't even know about them :)
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+<PRE>On 8 September 2012 13:02, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-server-1.13 and rebuild drivers are in */update_testing.
+</I>
+
+The following drivers failed to rebuild:
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+- x11-driver-video-mach64
+- x11-driver-video-newport
+- x11-driver-video-psb
+- x11-driver-video-qxl
+- x11-driver-video-sisimedia
+- x11-driver-video-suncg14
+- x11-driver-video-vmware
+- x11-driver-video-xgi
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+x11-driver-video-radeonhd has been obsoleted by the ati driver since
+it's not compatible with xserver 1.13
+
+Some may have fixes in git or may have fixes in RH.
+(Hint for people who want to help :-) !)
+
+Status:
+======
+
+OK:
+===
+- major driver that were tested and works OK:
+ o video: ati/radeon
+ o input: evdev wacom
+
+- drivers that have been tested in the installer:
+ o video: fbdev vesa
+ o input: keyboard mouse
+
+TO TEST:
+=========
+- major driver that need being tested:
+ o video: fglrx intel nouveau
+ o input: synaptics
+
+- less major driver that would be nice to test:
+ o video: openchrome sis vmware
+ o input: joystick vmmouse
+
+- minor driver that would be nice to test:
+ o video: apm ark ast cirrus chips glint i128 i740 modesetting
+ neomagic nv r128 rendition s3 s3virge savage siliconmotion sisusb
+ tdfx tga trident tseng voodoo xgixp
+ o input: acecad aiptek evtouch fpit hyperpen mutouch penmount
+
+Please test.
+
+See you
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+<PRE>08.09.2012 14:02, Thierry Vignaud kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> - major driver that need being tested:
+</I>&gt;<i> o video: fglrx intel nouveau
+</I>&gt;<i> o input: synaptics
+</I>Nouveau tested on GTS 250 (x86_64) seems to work like before.
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+ <B>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad</B>
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+Has someone a HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one ?
+My printer was working in my cauldron. I have removed my cauldron this
+week when I have installed the alpha 1.
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+Why my cauldron my printer was working, now, my printer don't work.
+see :
+<A HREF="http://www.mageialinux-online.org/forum/topic.php?id=13516&amp;pt=&amp;idm=&amp;quote=">http://www.mageialinux-online.org/forum/topic.php?id=13516&amp;pt=&amp;idm=&amp;quote=</A>
+--
+Amicalement vOOotre Troumad Alias Bernard SIAUD
+mon site : <A HREF="http://troumad.org">http://troumad.org</A> : AD&amp;D maths WEB...
+Pour la libert&#233; <A HREF="http://www.developpez.net/forums/f17/systemes/linux/">http://www.developpez.net/forums/f17/systemes/linux/</A>
+N'envoyez que des documents avec des formats ouverts, comme
+<A HREF="http://fr.libreoffice.org">http://fr.libreoffice.org</A>
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+&gt;<i> dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt; 3.6.1.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 285561
+</I>&gt;<i> - New version 3.6.1
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt; 3.6.1.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 285561
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+</I>&gt;<i> This versions saves ODT files as 0 bytes.
+</I>&gt;<i> When opening back such a file or a file save as .doc,
+</I>&gt;<i> it complains it's locked an offers to open as RO or as a copie.
+</I>
+I was testing oowriter.
+I tested oocalc: same bug...
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> As a feature it's not pointless, but as an implementation it didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> really cover things and I call it pointless as the feature only covered
+</I>&gt;<i> the shutdown binary and not poweroff, halt or reboot binaries.
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+Actually it did cover all of them. If ALLOW_REBOOT=no is set, it removes all 4 of those symlinks. If it's set back to yes, it restores them.
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+Looking at the code, that setting also affects /etc/shutdown.allow, /etc/sysctl.conf, /etc/inittab, /etc/X11/gdm/custom.conf, and
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+ <B>Luc Menut</B>
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+<PRE>Hello,
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+Today, I have a package (kiriki-handbook) with missing signature in the
+KDE 4.9.1 updates in cauldron. A bug in the bs?
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+LC_ALL=C urpmi --update --auto-update
+[...]
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+The following package has bad signature:
+/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kiriki-handbook-4.9.1-1.mga3.noarch.rpm: Missing
+signature (OK ((none)))
+Do you want to continue installation ? (y/N)
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+looking at cauldron repo., there are 2 packages with missing signature:
+rpm -qp --queryformat '[%{NAME}-%{VERSION}\t%{RSAHEADER}\n]' *.rpm |grep
+&quot;(none)&quot;
+kiriki-handbook-4.9.1 (none)
+perl-File-FnMatch-0.20.0 (none)
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+Luc
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+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-server-1.13 and rebuild drivers are in */update_testing.
+</I>
+[...]
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+&gt;<i> - major driver that need being tested:
+</I>&gt;<i> o video: fglrx intel nouveau
+</I>&gt;<i> o input: synaptics
+</I>
+Hi,
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+intel and synaptics work fine here.
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+Go for core/release!
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+<PRE>Le Sun, 09 Sep 2012 12:55:17 +0300,
+Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> 08.09.2012 19:49, Colin Guthrie kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So there exists two users (provided by default from the setup pkg)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; called &quot;halt&quot; and &quot;shutdown&quot;. These users just run the halt and shutdown
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; commands as their shell. This means su'ing or sudo'ing or setting a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; password and logging in as them, will shut the machine down.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This seems like a relic from many years ago and there is no need to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; include such users in this day and age. Should we kill them off?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Col
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> +1 on removing them. I didn't even know about them :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The same for me, didn't know they existed.
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+<PRE>On 22 July 2012 12:42, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I've clarified these instructions on the wiki:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove#Release_Notes">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove#Release_Notes</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Feel free to augment them with better info as needed.
+</I>
+Those cannot be done anymore.
+Now updating rpm in order to be able to sole the unifiedsystemdir depends
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> D: [iurt] [iurt] calling callback for <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">build_ at 288808</A>:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [iurt] [iurt] likely (-devel) needed to rebuilt @288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm is not in build_requires
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> E: [iurt] [iurt] ERROR: call_ret= kill= err=0 (rror.*ailed|Bad exit status|RPM build error)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> F: [iurt] [iurt] See <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/queue/build//cauldron/x86_64//log/@288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/queue/build//cauldron/x86_64//log/@288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm/</A>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed it's due to the callback.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've commited the following patch in git
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could also log the matched lines and better stop matching at all
+</I>&gt;<i> and just relying
+</I>&gt;<i> on rpmbuild exit code...
+</I>
+This '(rror.*ailed|Bad exit status|RPM build error)' check just hit
+again, it was on Olavo's evolution package this time.
+
+Can we just get rid off this whole grep check?
+rpmbuild exit code should be just fine, as Thierry says.
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+status|RPM build error)
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+ <B>Jani V&#228;limaa</B>
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+<PRE>On 09.09.2012 20:28, spuhler wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name : selinux-policy Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 3.11.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Sun Sep 9 19:20:12 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : System/Base Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 5662798 License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://oss.tresys.com/repos/refpolicy/">http://oss.tresys.com/repos/refpolicy/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : SELinux policy configuration
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> SELinux Reference Policy - modular.
+</I>&gt;<i> Based off of reference policy: Checked out revision 2.20091117
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 3.11.1-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 291169
+</I>&gt;<i> - update to 3.11.1
+</I>&gt;<i> spec based on fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package selinux-policy
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I guess some svn propediting is needed. :P
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+<PRE>09.09.2012 20:31, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+&gt;<i> On 09.09.2012 20:28, spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : selinux-policy Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 3.11.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Sun Sep 9 19:20:12 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>
+[...]
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+&gt;&gt;<i> - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - imported package selinux-policy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess some svn propediting is needed. :P
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+And the obvious question ...
+why import selinux crap / stuff when we dont build support for it anywhere ?
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - imported package selinux-policy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I guess some svn propediting is needed. :P
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And the obvious question ...
+</I>&gt;<i> why import selinux crap / stuff when we dont build support for it anywhere ?
+</I>
+So that we can test it?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 09/09/12 17:17 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 22 July 2012 12:42, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've clarified these instructions on the wiki:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove#Release_Notes">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove#Release_Notes</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Feel free to augment them with better info as needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Those cannot be done anymore.
+</I>&gt;<i> Now updating rpm in order to be able to sole the unifiedsystemdir depends
+</I>&gt;<i> pulls filesystem...
+</I>&gt;<i> Classic egg &amp; chicken issue...
+</I>
+Yes, this has been a problem for a while now in Cauldron. But not many
+users are asking this question these days, so the likely path now is
+from mga2 -&gt; cauldron which is probably where the effort should be focused.
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 09/09/12 15:43 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As a feature it's not pointless, but as an implementation it didn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> really cover things and I call it pointless as the feature only covered
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the shutdown binary and not poweroff, halt or reboot binaries.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually it did cover all of them. If ALLOW_REBOOT=no is set, it removes all 4 of those symlinks. If it's set back to yes, it restores them.
+</I>
+Interesting, so I guess the feature was out of sync with the packaging
+then as the symlinks for the others were included in packages and thus
+would have resulted in rpm -V issues. Hey ho, time for a tidy up :)
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+<PRE>On Sunday, September 09, 2012 10:31:56 AM Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 09.09.2012 20:28, spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : selinux-policy Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version : 3.11.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Sun Sep 9
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 19:20:12 2012 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; jonund.mageia.org Group : System/Base Source
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Size : 5662798 License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager : spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; URL : <A HREF="http://oss.tresys.com/repos/refpolicy/">http://oss.tresys.com/repos/refpolicy/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary : SELinux policy configuration
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; SELinux Reference Policy - modular.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Based off of reference policy: Checked out revision 2.20091117
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 3.11.1-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 291169
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - update to 3.11.1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; spec based on fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - SIELENT added from fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - imported package selinux-policy
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess some svn propediting is needed. :P
+</I>
+Thanks for bringing this to my attention
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+<PRE>On Saturday, September 08, 2012 11:31:56 PM Funda Wang wrote:
+&gt;<i> BTW, what do you want to do with 389ds*? See here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/9/9 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If you mean libkolabxml and libkolab, these two packages are not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; comply mandriva/mageia lib policy, there are just plain imported
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fedora packages. They are not using our compilation flags and macros.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; They are introducing unneeded requires both for runtime and devel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For zarafa, I mean to rebuild it with boost 1.50.0, but it failed due
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to the fact it is using old filesystem api. So, I tried to bump to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; latest minor version, but failed again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2012/9/9 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; fwang
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Please stop messing around with packages that are work in progress and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; you are not the owner.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If you like, please do zarafa as you already started it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+fwang
+It's needed for kolab-3 and a lot of deps. I am importing and building those.
+This is why I said work in progress. I will revisit all those packages once
+kolab-3 works.
+The kolab folks built it on Fedora and now make debian packages. Our
+kolab-2.2.4 doesn't work anymore and it isn't supported upstreams.
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> D: [iurt] [iurt] calling callback for <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">build_ at 288808</A>:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [iurt] [iurt] likely (-devel) needed to rebuilt @288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm is not in build_requires
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> E: [iurt] [iurt] ERROR: call_ret= kill= err=0 (rror.*ailed|Bad exit status|RPM build error)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> F: [iurt] [iurt] See <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/queue/build//cauldron/x86_64//log/@288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/queue/build//cauldron/x86_64//log/@288808:net-snmp-5.7.1-7.mga3.src.rpm/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed it's due to the callback.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've commited the following patch in git
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We could also log the matched lines and better stop matching at all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and just relying
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on rpmbuild exit code...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This '(rror.*ailed|Bad exit status|RPM build error)' check just hit
+</I>&gt;<i> again, it was on Olavo's evolution package this time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can we just get rid off this whole grep check?
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmbuild exit code should be just fine, as Thierry says.
+</I>
+Don in 0.6.10.
+Needs to be pushed on BS nodes.
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+ <B>Barry Jackson</B>
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+<PRE>On 08/09/12 19:07, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any other suggestions for the groups?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+gnuradio is development software for &quot;software enabled radio&quot;, so
+Communications/Development
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+Amateur Radio is needed as a group for packages like grig and xlog,
+so maybe:
+Communications/Amateur Radio
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+cutecw is a Morse Code trainer aimed at radio amateurs so:
+Communications/Amateur Radio/Education
+
+zoneminder is currently in Video which is rather cluttered.
+I think Video needs sub-groups like:-
+Video/Players
+Video/Editors
+Video/Security
+Video/Format converters
+Video/Plug-ins
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+Also, why has gpg got it's own top level 'Public Keys' group which
+clutters rpmdrake - surely this should be somewhere down the System/..
+hierarchy?
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+My 2 cents ;)
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+Barry
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+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-server-1.13 and rebuild drivers are in */update_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Tested on one desktop and two netbooks, so working intel, synaptics.
+
+Tested also on propietary nvidia driver, and broken. Someting in gdm
+or gnome-shell bombs in libpthread....
+
+I wil request an update to the nvidia driver, because of this paragraph
+in new README:
+
+&quot;Fixed a bug that caused pre-release versions of X.Org xserver 1.13 to
+crash when certain GLX operations were performed, such as when starting Firefox.&quot;
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+Perhaps it is related.
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+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Winter is coming...
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+<PRE>On Monday 10 Sep 2012 11:53:30 Barry Jackson wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 08/09/12 19:07, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Any other suggestions for the groups?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gnuradio is development software for &quot;software enabled radio&quot;, so
+</I>&gt;<i> Communications/Development
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Amateur Radio is needed as a group for packages like grig and xlog,
+</I>&gt;<i> so maybe:
+</I>&gt;<i> Communications/Amateur Radio
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cutecw is a Morse Code trainer aimed at radio amateurs so:
+</I>&gt;<i> Communications/Amateur Radio/Education
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> zoneminder is currently in Video which is rather cluttered.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think Video needs sub-groups like:-
+</I>&gt;<i> Video/Players
+</I>&gt;<i> Video/Editors
+</I>&gt;<i> Video/Security
+</I>&gt;<i> Video/Format converters
+</I>&gt;<i> Video/Plug-ins
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, why has gpg got it's own top level 'Public Keys' group which
+</I>&gt;<i> clutters rpmdrake - surely this should be somewhere down the
+</I>System/..
+&gt;<i> hierarchy?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My 2 cents ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Barry
+</I>
+I'll stick my 2p in as a user
+
+How about the package groups relate to the menu entries in Gnome
+and KDE.
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+<PRE>Op maandag 10 september 2012 15:02:37 schreef JA Magall&#243;n:
+&gt;<i> On 09/08/2012 01:02 PM, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; x11-server-1.13 and rebuild drivers are in */update_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tested on one desktop and two netbooks, so working intel, synaptics.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tested also on propietary nvidia driver, and broken. Someting in gdm
+</I>&gt;<i> or gnome-shell bombs in libpthread....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wil request an update to the nvidia driver, because of this paragraph
+</I>&gt;<i> in new README:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Fixed a bug that caused pre-release versions of X.Org xserver 1.13 to
+</I>&gt;<i> crash when certain GLX operations were performed, such as when starting
+</I>&gt;<i> Firefox.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps it is related.
+</I>
+hey, i crash FF too, if it's on google maps with 3DGL enabled
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+&gt;<i> Op maandag 10 september 2012 15:02:37 schreef JA Magall&#243;n:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 09/08/2012 01:02 PM, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> x11-server-1.13 and rebuild drivers are in */update_testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tested on one desktop and two netbooks, so working intel, synaptics.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tested also on propietary nvidia driver, and broken. Someting in gdm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or gnome-shell bombs in libpthread....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I wil request an update to the nvidia driver, because of this paragraph
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in new README:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Fixed a bug that caused pre-release versions of X.Org xserver 1.13 to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> crash when certain GLX operations were performed, such as when starting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Firefox.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Perhaps it is related.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> hey, i crash FF too, if it's on google maps with 3DGL enabled
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Checked with success.
+I installed manually the new driver and everything works again.
+
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+&gt;<i> On 09/10/2012 07:31 PM, AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op maandag 10 september 2012 15:02:37 schreef JA Magall&#243;n:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 09/08/2012 01:02 PM, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> x11-server-1.13 and rebuild drivers are in */update_testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Tested on one desktop and two netbooks, so working intel, synaptics.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Tested also on propietary nvidia driver, and broken. Someting in gdm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or gnome-shell bombs in libpthread....
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I wil request an update to the nvidia driver, because of this paragraph
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in new README:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Fixed a bug that caused pre-release versions of X.Org xserver 1.13 to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> crash when certain GLX operations were performed, such as when starting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Firefox.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Perhaps it is related.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hey, i crash FF too, if it's on google maps with 3DGL enabled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Checked with success.
+</I>&gt;<i> I installed manually the new driver and everything works again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+nvidia-current-304.43 pushed to nonfree/release and nonfree/updates_testing
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+<PRE>Le 10/09/12 11:53,Barry Jackson nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+&gt;<i> On 08/09/12 19:07, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any other suggestions for the groups?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gnuradio is development software for &quot;software enabled radio&quot;, so
+</I>&gt;<i> Communications/Development
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Amateur Radio is needed as a group for packages like grig and xlog,
+</I>&gt;<i> so maybe:
+</I>&gt;<i> Communications/Amateur Radio
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cutecw is a Morse Code trainer aimed at radio amateurs so:
+</I>&gt;<i> Communications/Amateur Radio/Education
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> zoneminder is currently in Video which is rather cluttered.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think Video needs sub-groups like:-
+</I>&gt;<i> Video/Players
+</I>&gt;<i> Video/Editors
+</I>&gt;<i> Video/Security
+</I>&gt;<i> Video/Format converters
+</I>&gt;<i> Video/Plug-ins
+</I>
+Doing changes like this would mean to go towards a more Suse-like
+system, with hundreds of rpm package groups that each contain a few
+packages.
+That is one option, but it requires to updates the specs of several
+thousands packages.
+
+My proposal is more limited:
+- let's split the groups that have obviously too many different packages
+(Development/Other is an example) to the point that it is unpractical to
+browse.
+- let's create a handful of categories that (1) make sense for packages
+that are currently in unrelated groups (motivated by security software
+for example); and (2) complete existing subdivisions (so as not to have
+to change the spec of too many packages)
+
+Only creating a few groups also lessens the burden for icons and
+translations.
+
+With that in mind, I'm not sure this is a good idea to get so
+fine-grained categories in Video, or communications, especially if it's
+just for one package.
+Maybe if we create a Security group, things like zoneminder can go
+there. For amateur radio, in communication it's fine IMHO.
+Communications has 138 packages, so it's reasonable.
+
+&gt;<i> Also, why has gpg got it's own top level 'Public Keys' group which
+</I>&gt;<i> clutters rpmdrake - surely this should be somewhere down the System/..
+</I>&gt;<i> hierarchy?
+</I>
+The public key thing does not correspond to a rpm group. It's a rpmdrake
+GUI choice of how to display keys AFAICT. Feel free to suggest to tv
+another choice for the display :-).
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+Cheers,
+--
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+Doing
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+Solves the problem.
+Is this a feature or a bug? Do I need to patch the makefile of the 389dirsrv?
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+There is a lot about the location when googeling. Seems Fedora and Suse don't
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+&gt;<i> I am trying to build the 389 dirsrv. When building lperl looks for libperl in
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/ but it cannot find it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ln -sf /usr/lib/perl5/5.16.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/CORE/libperl.so
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libperl.so
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Solves the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this a feature or a bug? Do I need to patch the makefile of the 389dirsrv?
+</I>
+You can use something like this to get the flags to use:
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+$ perl -MExtUtils::Embed -e ldopts
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+<PRE>On 09/10/2012 11:12 PM, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> 10.09.2012 23:46, JA Magall&#243;n skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 09/10/2012 07:31 PM, AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op maandag 10 september 2012 15:02:37 schreef JA Magall&#243;n:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 09/08/2012 01:02 PM, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> x11-server-1.13 and rebuild drivers are in */update_testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Tested on one desktop and two netbooks, so working intel, synaptics.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Tested also on propietary nvidia driver, and broken. Someting in gdm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or gnome-shell bombs in libpthread....
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I wil request an update to the nvidia driver, because of this paragraph
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in new README:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Fixed a bug that caused pre-release versions of X.Org xserver 1.13 to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> crash when certain GLX operations were performed, such as when starting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Firefox.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Perhaps it is related.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hey, i crash FF too, if it's on google maps with 3DGL enabled
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Checked with success.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I installed manually the new driver and everything works again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia-current-304.43 pushed to nonfree/release and nonfree/updates_testing
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> output to my notebook display again. After that it booted ok.
+</I>&gt;<i> And i didn't use mcc, but just krandrtray settings
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+</I>Hmm - I'm on vacationnow, and I can't remember how many things I tried,
+but I definitely did try re-attaching the external monitor - I probably
+only tried it in MCC though.
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+that only work when IE is open. When I get home I'll try again to get
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+&gt;<i> Hello
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+</I>&gt;<i> Has someone a HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one ?
+</I>&gt;<i> My printer was working in my cauldron. I have removed my cauldron this
+</I>&gt;<i> week when I have installed the alpha 1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why my cauldron my printer was working, now, my printer don't work.
+</I>&gt;<i> see :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageialinux-online.org/forum/topic.php?id=13516&amp;pt=&amp;idm=&amp;quote=">http://www.mageialinux-online.org/forum/topic.php?id=13516&amp;pt=&amp;idm=&amp;quote=</A>
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+Hi,
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+This may be fixed in ghostscript-9.06-3.
+One of the rediffed patches was broken, I synced again with the Fedora
+version to add missing bits for ghostscript 9.06.
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+With the broken patch, gs failed with the following error:
+Fontmap entry for Fontmap.local ends prematurely! Giving up.
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+Since /usrmove, /run and /var/run is actually the same location on the
+final running system. So, either can be used in actual configuration
+files, and systemd unit files. But for consistency and comparaison
+purpose, it would be better to enforce usage of one variant only.
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+I initially started to use /run in a few packages, however I'm
+considering reverting this practice for multiple reasons:
+- fedora keep using /var/run, which makes comparaison harder
+- it make backporting more difficult
+- similar /lib vs /usr/lib case exist, and our %_unitdir macro, for
+instance, uses the second form
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+<PRE>11.09.2012 12:53, Guillaume Rousse kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Hello list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since /usrmove, /run and /var/run is actually the same location on the
+</I>&gt;<i> final running system. So, either can be used in actual configuration
+</I>&gt;<i> files, and systemd unit files. But for consistency and comparaison
+</I>&gt;<i> purpose, it would be better to enforce usage of one variant only.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I initially started to use /run in a few packages, however I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> considering reverting this practice for multiple reasons:
+</I>&gt;<i> - fedora keep using /var/run, which makes comparaison harder
+</I>&gt;<i> - it make backporting more difficult
+</I>&gt;<i> - similar /lib vs /usr/lib case exist, and our %_unitdir macro, for
+</I>&gt;<i> instance, uses the second form
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any other thought on this topic ?
+</I>I think we should convert to /run where possible. Else i don't see much
+point in usrmove. Backporting - don't think it will happen any time soon.
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+--
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+<PRE>Le 11/09/2012 12:06, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 11.09.2012 12:53, Guillaume Rousse kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello list.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since /usrmove, /run and /var/run is actually the same location on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> final running system. So, either can be used in actual configuration
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> files, and systemd unit files. But for consistency and comparaison
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> purpose, it would be better to enforce usage of one variant only.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I initially started to use /run in a few packages, however I'm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> considering reverting this practice for multiple reasons:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fedora keep using /var/run, which makes comparaison harder
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - it make backporting more difficult
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - similar /lib vs /usr/lib case exist, and our %_unitdir macro, for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instance, uses the second form
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any other thought on this topic ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we should convert to /run where possible. Else i don't see much
+</I>&gt;<i> point in usrmove. Backporting - don't think it will happen any time soon.
+</I>The /run - /var/run merge (/usrmove) is supposed to make the change
+transparent for applications. Manually converting applications to
+explicitely refers to the new location doesn't change its usefulness.
+
+And you're confusing 'distributing packages' with 'rebuilding packages'.
+I'm backporting packages everytime for my own usage...
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+&gt;<i> Hello list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since /usrmove, /run and /var/run is actually the same location on the
+</I>&gt;<i> final running system. So, either can be used in actual configuration files,
+</I>&gt;<i> and systemd unit files. But for consistency and comparaison purpose, it
+</I>&gt;<i> would be better to enforce usage of one variant only.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I initially started to use /run in a few packages, however I'm considering
+</I>&gt;<i> reverting this practice for multiple reasons:
+</I>&gt;<i> - fedora keep using /var/run, which makes comparaison harder
+</I>&gt;<i> - it make backporting more difficult
+</I>&gt;<i> - similar /lib vs /usr/lib case exist, and our %_unitdir macro, for
+</I>&gt;<i> instance, uses the second form
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any other thought on this topic ?
+</I>
+Maybe we should also have a %_rundir macro ?
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+&gt;<i> [...]
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+</I>&gt;<i> The /run - /var/run merge (/usrmove) is supposed to make the change
+</I>&gt;<i> transparent for applications. Manually converting applications to
+</I>&gt;<i> explicitely refers to the new location doesn't change its usefulness.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, if your system can't mount /var for some reason then keeping
+things on /run might make recovery easier.
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+&gt;<i> Maybe we should also have a %_rundir macro ?
+</I>What should be its value ?
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+&gt;<i> 11.09.2012 13:15, Guillaume Rousse kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The /run - /var/run merge (/usrmove) is supposed to make the change
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> transparent for applications. Manually converting applications to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> explicitely refers to the new location doesn't change its usefulness.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, if your system can't mount /var for some reason then keeping
+</I>&gt;<i> things on /run might make recovery easier.
+</I>Then we probably should not refer to systemd directory as
+/usr/lib/systemd, but as /lib/systemd for exactly the same reason.
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+Also, the usefulness of an available /run when /var is quite discutable,
+whereas its main purpose is to store pid files for backgroud processes,
+most of them using /var/lib for storing their data.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 11/09/12 11:47 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 11/09/2012 12:23, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 11.09.2012 13:15, Guillaume Rousse kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The /run - /var/run merge (/usrmove) is supposed to make the change
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> transparent for applications. Manually converting applications to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> explicitely refers to the new location doesn't change its usefulness.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, if your system can't mount /var for some reason then keeping
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> things on /run might make recovery easier.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Then we probably should not refer to systemd directory as
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/systemd, but as /lib/systemd for exactly the same reason.
+</I>
+I don't really see the comparison here.
+
+systemd is build to use /usr/lib/systemd these days, so it's technically
+incorrect to refer to it as anything else (of course technically
+incorrect != practically incorrect!)
+
+&gt;<i> Also, the usefulness of an available /run when /var is quite discutable,
+</I>&gt;<i> whereas its main purpose is to store pid files for backgroud processes,
+</I>&gt;<i> most of them using /var/lib for storing their data.
+</I>
+Well, not just pid files. It also stores socket files which are critical
+for IPC and such like and is an important bridge between initrd and the
+real rootfs.
+
+Personally I'm more in favour of using /run directly and adding lint
+rules that cause a build failure if files are packaged in either
+/var/run or /run.
+
+If nothing else it's marginally more efficient to use /run. No spinning
+media stat required to dereference the index. In extreme cases, it will
+help extend battery life. The benefits are tiny I'm sure, but it does
+depend on context/setup and if there is no other tangible reasons, maybe
+even this small advantage is enough to sway in one direction rather than
+the other!
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>--- On Tue, 9/11/12, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> From: Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</I>&gt;<i> To: &quot;Mageia development mailing-list&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Cc: &quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;, &quot;Bernard Siaud alias Troumad&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">liste at siaud.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 4:57 AM
+</I>&gt;<i> Bernard Siaud alias Troumad &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">liste at siaud.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Has someone a HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; My printer was working in my cauldron. I have removed
+</I>&gt;<i> my cauldron this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; week when I have installed the alpha 1.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Why my cauldron my printer was working, now, my printer
+</I>&gt;<i> don't work.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; see :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.mageialinux-online.org/forum/topic.php?id=13516&amp;pt=&amp;idm=">http://www.mageialinux-online.org/forum/topic.php?id=13516&amp;pt=&amp;idm=</A>&quot;e=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This may be fixed in ghostscript-9.06-3.
+</I>&gt;<i> One of the rediffed patches was broken, I synced again with
+</I>&gt;<i> the Fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> version to add missing bits for ghostscript 9.06.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With the broken patch, gs failed with the following error:
+</I>&gt;<i> Fontmap entry for Fontmap.local ends prematurely!&#160;
+</I>&gt;<i> Giving up.
+</I>
+Thanks for fixing it Olivier. Sorry for the breakage, but our package was broken and pretty much unmaintained and bitrotting away. Good to know we can look to Fedora in the future for fixes, since mdv seems to be all but dead now.
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+&gt;<i> Good to know we can look to Fedora in the future for fixes, since
+</I>&gt;<i> mdv seems to be all but dead now.
+</I>Well we've done it (looking at Fedora's fixings, as well as upstream),
+since mga1 really...
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+<PRE>David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Has someone a HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; My printer was working in my cauldron. I have removed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my cauldron this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; week when I have installed the alpha 1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Why my cauldron my printer was working, now, my printer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This may be fixed in ghostscript-9.06-3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One of the rediffed patches was broken, I synced again with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the Fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version to add missing bits for ghostscript 9.06.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With the broken patch, gs failed with the following error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Fontmap entry for Fontmap.local ends prematurely!&#160;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Giving up.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for fixing it Olivier. Sorry for the breakage, but our package
+</I>&gt;<i> was broken and pretty much unmaintained and bitrotting away. Good to
+</I>&gt;<i> know we can look to Fedora in the future for fixes, since mdv seems to
+</I>&gt;<i> be all but dead now.
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+Yes, it would be a good idea to look at Fedora first instead of trying
+to rebase their patches by ourselves :)
+(Mandriva used Fedora's patches as well)
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+Olivier Blin - blino
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt; 3.6.1.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 285561
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - New version 3.6.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This versions saves ODT files as 0 bytes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When opening back such a file or a file save as .doc,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it complains it's locked an offers to open as RO or as a copie.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was testing oowriter.
+</I>&gt;<i> I tested oocalc: same bug...
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> With the broken patch, gs failed with the following error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Fontmap entry for Fontmap.local ends prematurely!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Giving up.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for fixing it Olivier. Sorry for the breakage, but our package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> was broken and pretty much unmaintained and bitrotting away. Good to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> know we can look to Fedora in the future for fixes, since mdv seems to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be all but dead now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, it would be a good idea to look at Fedora first instead of trying
+</I>&gt;<i> to rebase their patches by ourselves :)
+</I>&gt;<i> (Mandriva used Fedora's patches as well)
+</I>
+Which means always adding a comment telling from where come
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+It may be obvious for the maintainer but not for other packagers.
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+&gt;<i> On 11 September 2012 19:53, Olivier Blin&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> With the broken patch, gs failed with the following error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Fontmap entry for Fontmap.local ends prematurely!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Giving up.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for fixing it Olivier. Sorry for the breakage, but our package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> was broken and pretty much unmaintained and bitrotting away. Good to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> know we can look to Fedora in the future for fixes, since mdv seems to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be all but dead now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, it would be a good idea to look at Fedora first instead of trying
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to rebase their patches by ourselves :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Mandriva used Fedora's patches as well)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which means always adding a comment telling from where come
+</I>&gt;<i> the patches.
+</I>&gt;<i> It may be obvious for the maintainer but not for other packagers.
+</I>
+As a reminder also:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy#Patches">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Collaboration_policy#Patches</A>
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+Anne
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+&gt;<i> On 11 September 2012 19:53, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> With the broken patch, gs failed with the following error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Fontmap entry for Fontmap.local ends prematurely!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Giving up.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for fixing it Olivier. Sorry for the breakage, but our package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> was broken and pretty much unmaintained and bitrotting away. Good to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> know we can look to Fedora in the future for fixes, since mdv seems to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be all but dead now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, it would be a good idea to look at Fedora first instead of trying
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to rebase their patches by ourselves :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Mandriva used Fedora's patches as well)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which means always adding a comment telling from where come
+</I>&gt;<i> the patches.
+</I>&gt;<i> It may be obvious for the maintainer but not for other packagers.
+</I>
+In the ghostscript case, there was a &quot;# Fedora patches&quot; comment already :)
+But it is not always easy to see these comments, they don't really stand
+out.
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+Olivier Blin - blino
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+</I>but other packagers are very often -if not always- maintainers
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+My name isDamian Ivanov. Xiao-Long Chen and me are the maintainers of unity
+desktop environment for openSUSE and Fedora, Xiao-Long additionally
+maintains
+also unity on Arch Linux. We use for building the packages the open build
+service <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME%3AAyatana">https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME%3AAyatana</A>
+It actually builds install-able and usable packages for Fedora and
+openSUSE. This week we'll give an official announcement that unity works on
+openSUSE and will make a live CD available based on openSUSE with unity. We
+would also like to see Mageia running unity, but this would not be done by
+us ( I am mainly working on openSUSE, Xiao-Long is working on Fedora and
+openSUSE). But I offer my help, if you want to do it also with obs on
+GNOME:Ayatana. At the moment the structure of a package is as follows:
+
+=&gt; Package
+===&gt; package.tar.gz
+===&gt; %name-Fedora_17.spec
+======&gt; Fedora-123.patch
+======&gt; Fedora-456.patch
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+===&gt; %name.spec (could be also %name-openSUSE_%version.spec)
+======&gt; openSUSE-abc.patch
+======&gt; openSUSE-def.patch
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+===&gt; PKGBUILD (for Arch Linux builds, at the moment you won't see lots of
+them, Xiao-Long is converting his arch packages from aur to go to OBS at
+the moment)
+======&gt; Arch-xyz.patch
+
+There are users of Mageia who would love to see it in Mageia:
+<A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=130">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=130</A>
+It would't need to be done that much to get it working on Mageia. The spec
+files for openSUSE and Fedora are quite similar and based on each other.
+I experimented with the Mandriva backend to package myself unity for
+Mandriva and/or Mageia too, but the package naming are way different from
+the ones of SUSE and Fedora which are quite similar. It would need to be
+done for every package in GNOME:Ayatana to copy a spec file from suse or
+fedora as %name-Mageia_%Mageia_ver.spec and adjust the BuildRequires,
+Requires and the naming. Additionally it would be needed for packages that
+are only packaged with patches to add the Mageia sources and add the Mageia
+Patches to apply.
+
+At the moment it is worked on the Mageia OBS backend, when it is fixed, is
+there someone here interested in adjusting the spec files to Mageia?
+
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+- Secteam and Mandriva contribution
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+About #2317, it's not given up but delayed due to nasty things on new
+installed server (will be explained in the end of the meeting)
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+<PRE>On 11 September 2012 10:15, JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Fixed a bug that caused pre-release versions of X.Org xserver 1.13 to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> crash when certain GLX operations were performed, such as when starting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Firefox.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Perhaps it is related.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hey, i crash FF too, if it's on google maps with 3DGL enabled
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Checked with success.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I installed manually the new driver and everything works again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia-current-304.43 pushed to nonfree/release and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nonfree/updates_testing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks, works perfect.
+</I>
+
+Thomas can you move x xerver 1.13 and related drivers back to
+{core,nonfree}/release?
+Thx
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+<PRE>El mi&#233;, 12-09-2012 a las 12:33 +0200, Damian Ivanov escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My name isDamian Ivanov. Xiao-Long Chen and me are the maintainers of
+</I>&gt;<i> unity desktop environment for openSUSE and Fedora, Xiao-Long
+</I>&gt;<i> additionally maintains
+</I>&gt;<i> also unity on Arch Linux. We use for building the packages the open
+</I>&gt;<i> build service <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME">https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> %3AAyatana
+</I>&gt;<i> It actually builds install-able and usable packages for Fedora and
+</I>&gt;<i> openSUSE. This week we'll give an official announcement that unity
+</I>&gt;<i> works on openSUSE and will make a live CD available based on openSUSE
+</I>&gt;<i> with unity. We would also like to see Mageia running unity, but this
+</I>&gt;<i> would not be done by us ( I am mainly working on openSUSE, Xiao-Long
+</I>&gt;<i> is working on Fedora and openSUSE). But I offer my help, if you want
+</I>&gt;<i> to do it also with obs on GNOME:Ayatana. At the moment the structure
+</I>&gt;<i> of a package is as follows:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> =&gt; Package
+</I>&gt;<i> ===&gt; package.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;<i> ===&gt; %name-Fedora_17.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ======&gt; Fedora-123.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> ======&gt; Fedora-456.patch
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ===&gt; %name.spec (could be also %name-openSUSE_%version.spec)
+</I>&gt;<i> ======&gt; openSUSE-abc.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> ======&gt; openSUSE-def.patch
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ===&gt; PKGBUILD (for Arch Linux builds, at the moment you won't see lots
+</I>&gt;<i> of them, Xiao-Long is converting his arch packages from aur to go to
+</I>&gt;<i> OBS at the moment)
+</I>&gt;<i> ======&gt; Arch-xyz.patch
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are users of Mageia who would love to see it in
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia: <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=130">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=130</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would't need to be done that much to get it working on Mageia. The
+</I>&gt;<i> spec files for openSUSE and Fedora are quite similar and based on each
+</I>&gt;<i> other.
+</I>&gt;<i> I experimented with the Mandriva backend to package myself unity for
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva and/or Mageia too, but the package naming are way different
+</I>&gt;<i> from the ones of SUSE and Fedora which are quite similar. It would
+</I>&gt;<i> need to be done for every package in GNOME:Ayatana to copy a spec file
+</I>&gt;<i> from suse or fedora as %name-Mageia_%Mageia_ver.spec and adjust the
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires, Requires and the naming. Additionally it would be
+</I>&gt;<i> needed for packages that are only packaged with patches to add the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia sources and add the Mageia Patches to apply.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At the moment it is worked on the Mageia OBS backend, when it is
+</I>&gt;<i> fixed, is there someone here interested in adjusting the spec files to
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+If I don't misremember, unity needs some unofficial patches to be
+applied to gtk+/glib and other libs, how have you worked with that
+problem?
+
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+&gt;<i> o video: nouveau
+</I>
+Forgot to mention that 1.13 is working similarly to 1.12 on my machine.
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+<PRE>Hi,
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+You can easily review it here:
+<A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/project/packages?project=GNOME%3AAyatana">https://build.opensuse.org/project/packages?project=GNOME%3AAyatana</A>
+But to sum it up, for packages that are packaged in evert (normal)
+distribution we made packages %name-ubuntu
+so e.g for gtk3 we have a package gtk3-ubuntu which Provides and Obsoletes gtk3.
+But these packages are even not that much, namely: gtk2, gtk3,
+gnome-bluetooth (for bluetooth indicator), NetworkManager-gnome (for
+Network indicator), gnome-control-center, gsettings-shemas,
+gnome-settings-daemon and 3 xorg packages (were AFAIK ubuntu patches
+will be in the next upstream version)
+
+2012/9/12 Pacho Ramos &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pacho at gentoo.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> El mi&#233;, 12-09-2012 a las 12:33 +0200, Damian Ivanov escribi&#243;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My name isDamian Ivanov. Xiao-Long Chen and me are the maintainers of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unity desktop environment for openSUSE and Fedora, Xiao-Long
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> additionally maintains
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> also unity on Arch Linux. We use for building the packages the open
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> build service <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME">https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %3AAyatana
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It actually builds install-able and usable packages for Fedora and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> openSUSE. This week we'll give an official announcement that unity
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> works on openSUSE and will make a live CD available based on openSUSE
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with unity. We would also like to see Mageia running unity, but this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would not be done by us ( I am mainly working on openSUSE, Xiao-Long
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is working on Fedora and openSUSE). But I offer my help, if you want
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to do it also with obs on GNOME:Ayatana. At the moment the structure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of a package is as follows:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> =&gt; Package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===&gt; package.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===&gt; %name-Fedora_17.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ======&gt; Fedora-123.patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ======&gt; Fedora-456.patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===&gt; %name.spec (could be also %name-openSUSE_%version.spec)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ======&gt; openSUSE-abc.patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ======&gt; openSUSE-def.patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===&gt; PKGBUILD (for Arch Linux builds, at the moment you won't see lots
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of them, Xiao-Long is converting his arch packages from aur to go to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OBS at the moment)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ======&gt; Arch-xyz.patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are users of Mageia who would love to see it in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia: <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=130">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=130</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would't need to be done that much to get it working on Mageia. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> spec files for openSUSE and Fedora are quite similar and based on each
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I experimented with the Mandriva backend to package myself unity for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva and/or Mageia too, but the package naming are way different
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from the ones of SUSE and Fedora which are quite similar. It would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> need to be done for every package in GNOME:Ayatana to copy a spec file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from suse or fedora as %name-Mageia_%Mageia_ver.spec and adjust the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BuildRequires, Requires and the naming. Additionally it would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needed for packages that are only packaged with patches to add the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia sources and add the Mageia Patches to apply.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At the moment it is worked on the Mageia OBS backend, when it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fixed, is there someone here interested in adjusting the spec files to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Best regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Damian Ivanov
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I don't misremember, unity needs some unofficial patches to be
+</I>&gt;<i> applied to gtk+/glib and other libs, how have you worked with that
+</I>&gt;<i> problem?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for the info :)
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My name isDamian Ivanov. Xiao-Long Chen and me are the maintainers of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unity desktop environment for openSUSE and Fedora, Xiao-Long
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> additionally maintains
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> also unity on Arch Linux. We use for building the packages the open
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> build service <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME">https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %3AAyatana
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It actually builds install-able and usable packages for Fedora and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> openSUSE. This week we'll give an official announcement that unity
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> works on openSUSE and will make a live CD available based on openSUSE
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with unity. We would also like to see Mageia running unity, but this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would not be done by us ( I am mainly working on openSUSE, Xiao-Long
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is working on Fedora and openSUSE). But I offer my help, if you want
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to do it also with obs on GNOME:Ayatana. At the moment the structure
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of a package is as follows:
+</I>...
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are users of Mageia who would love to see it in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia: <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=130">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=130</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It would't need to be done that much to get it working on Mageia. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> spec files for openSUSE and Fedora are quite similar and based on each
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> other.
+</I>
+I have no voice nor vote, but I really would prefer Mageia invest efforts
+if any on integrating Cinnamon better than Unity. But that is just personal
+stuff...
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+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Winter is coming...
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+* arch-dependent .so files will be put into %{ruby_archdir}
+(%{_libdir}/ruby). No version prefix or suffix, as we are only
+providing one flavor of ruby.
+* arch-independent .rb files will be put into %{ruby_libdir} (%{_datadir}/ruby)
+* ruby only produces ruby, libruby, ruby-devel and ruby-doc sub
+packages, rubygems will be deleted from main package, to be singled
+out.
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+If there is no any negative opinion, I'll be pushing it into
+core/release in a few days.
+
+2012/9/8 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 8 September 2012 02:26, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As ruby 1.8 will be dead soon upstream, I'll push ruby 1.9 soon
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> directly to core/release. The plan is, for those modules which cannot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be built or run with ruby 1.9, or dead upstream, it should be dropped.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYTH?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks good.
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+&gt;<i> seems to have been replaced by /bin/poweroff making kdm failing to
+</I>&gt;<i> poweroff. I can open a bug report if needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Chris.
+</I>
+thanks for the notice, i just fixed on the svn. Will be part of the next
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+<PRE>On 12/09/12 22:53, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 09/12/2012 10:05 PM, Damian Ivanov wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My name isDamian Ivanov. Xiao-Long Chen and me are the maintainers of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unity desktop environment for openSUSE and Fedora, Xiao-Long
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> additionally maintains
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> also unity on Arch Linux. We use for building the packages the open
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> build service <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME">https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %3AAyatana
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It actually builds install-able and usable packages for Fedora and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> openSUSE. This week we'll give an official announcement that unity
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> works on openSUSE and will make a live CD available based on openSUSE
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with unity. We would also like to see Mageia running unity, but this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would not be done by us ( I am mainly working on openSUSE, Xiao-Long
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is working on Fedora and openSUSE). But I offer my help, if you want
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to do it also with obs on GNOME:Ayatana. At the moment the structure
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of a package is as follows:
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are users of Mageia who would love to see it in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia: <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=130">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=130</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It would't need to be done that much to get it working on Mageia. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> spec files for openSUSE and Fedora are quite similar and based on each
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> other.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have no voice nor vote, but I really would prefer Mageia invest efforts
+</I>&gt;<i> if any on integrating Cinnamon better than Unity. But that is just personal
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Everybody has a voice and vote, it's a community :)
+
+I would imagine there are members of the community out there who would
+love to see Unity included. It only needs somebody to actually do it.
+We're still quite short of packagers so the ones we have are already
+quite overloaded. There is a great mentoring scheme too to get you started.
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager</A>
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+I'd suggest an appeal to the wider community, there must be somebody out
+there who would like to see Unity included and is willing to get
+involved and make it happen.
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+Maybe also try the forums and mageia-discuss mailing list too.
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+Claire
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+<PRE>Le 13/09/2012 14:02, Claire Robinson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 12/09/12 22:53, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 09/12/2012 10:05 PM, Damian Ivanov wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My name isDamian Ivanov. Xiao-Long Chen and me are the maintainers of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unity desktop environment for openSUSE and Fedora, Xiao-Long
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> additionally maintains
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> also unity on Arch Linux. We use for building the packages the open
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> build service <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME">https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %3AAyatana
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It actually builds install-able and usable packages for Fedora and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> openSUSE. This week we'll give an official announcement that unity
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> works on openSUSE and will make a live CD available based on openSUSE
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with unity. We would also like to see Mageia running unity, but this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would not be done by us ( I am mainly working on openSUSE, Xiao-Long
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is working on Fedora and openSUSE). But I offer my help, if you want
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to do it also with obs on GNOME:Ayatana. At the moment the structure
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of a package is as follows:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are users of Mageia who would love to see it in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia: <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=130">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=130</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It would't need to be done that much to get it working on Mageia. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> spec files for openSUSE and Fedora are quite similar and based on each
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> other.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have no voice nor vote, but I really would prefer Mageia invest efforts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if any on integrating Cinnamon better than Unity. But that is just personal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stuff...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Everybody has a voice and vote, it's a community :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would imagine there are members of the community out there who would
+</I>&gt;<i> love to see Unity included. It only needs somebody to actually do it.
+</I>&gt;<i> We're still quite short of packagers so the ones we have are already
+</I>&gt;<i> quite overloaded. There is a great mentoring scheme too to get you started.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd suggest an appeal to the wider community, there must be somebody out
+</I>&gt;<i> there who would like to see Unity included and is willing to get
+</I>&gt;<i> involved and make it happen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe also try the forums and mageia-discuss mailing list too.
+</I>
+Well mentoring is important, users also but if there are zillions
+patches on core GNOME it's another thing. And this has to be discussed here
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>
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+ <B>Damian Ivanov</B>
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+<PRE>I am not talking yet about getting unity included in Mageia, but to
+have the repo that is available for openSUSE and Fedora users
+available for Mageia too. Add repo ==&gt; Update ==&gt; install unity
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+&gt;<i> Well mentoring is important, users also but if there are zillions patches on
+</I>&gt;<i> core GNOME it's another thing. And this has to be discussed here
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-server-1.13 and rebuild drivers are in */update_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please test.
+</I>
+
+Tested with AutoAddDevice Off and works fine with:
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+x11-driver-input-keyboard
+x11-driver-input-evdev
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+&gt;<i> &gt; x11-server-1.13 and rebuild drivers are in */update_testing.
+</I>
+Updated status:
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+The following drivers failed to rebuild:
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+- x11-driver-video-psb (do we really care?)
+- x11-driver-video-qxl (=&gt; look at RH/FC)
+- x11-driver-video-sisimedia (actually not tried)
+- x11-driver-video-xgi (=&gt; look at patch)
+
+x11-driver-video-radeonhd has been obsoleted by the ati driver since
+it's not compatible with xserver 1.13
+
+Some may have fixes in git or may have fixes in RH.
+(Hint for people who want to help :-) !)
+
+Status:
+======
+
+OK:
+===
+- major driver that were tested and works OK:
+ o video: ati/radeon, fbdevn intel, nouveau, nvidia?, vesa
+ o input: evdev keyboard mouse synaptics wacom
+
+TO TEST:
+=========
+
+- major driver that need being tested:
+ o video: fglrx (known to not support 1.13 yet)
+
+- less major driver that would be nice to test:
+ o video: openchrome sis vmware
+ o input: joystick vmmouse
+
+- minor driver that would be nice to test:
+ o video: apm ark ast cirrus chips glint i128 i740 modesetting
+ neomagic nv r128 rendition s3 s3virge savage siliconmotion sisusb
+ tdfx tga trident tseng voodoo xgixp
+ o input: acecad aiptek evtouch fpit hyperpen mutouch penmount
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+X.org server 1.13 is now in core/release.
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+Could someone kindly tell me that how to install a debug package with
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+For example, I install the firefox-debug-10.0.7-1.mga2.x86_64 package
+for debugging the firefox. While gdb load the firefox core dump file,
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7049">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7049</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> claire robinson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt; changed:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What |Removed |Added
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Status Whiteboard|has_procedure mga2-32-OK |has_procedure mga2-32-OK
+</I>&gt;<i> | |mga2-64-OK
+</I>&gt;<i> Keywords| |validated_update
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --- Comment #20 from claire robinson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt; 2012-09-13 13:20:41 CEST ---
+</I>&gt;<i> With KDE updated I can confirm the fix x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Validating
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Advisory Proposal
+</I>&gt;<i> &#171; This package provides the last bugfix release for phonon-gstreamer which is
+</I>&gt;<i> the default phonon backend used in Mageia, enabling KSCD to recognise Audio
+</I>&gt;<i> CD's in the 2nd CD device&#187;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> phonon-gstreamer-4.6.2-1.2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could sysadmin please puch from core/update_testing to core/updates
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sysadmin's putsch ! ;)
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+&gt;<i> Hi All,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could someone kindly tell me that how to install a debug package with
+</I>&gt;<i> its dependencies?
+</I>There is not dependencies between debug packages, in the sense of 'debug
+package X need debug package Y to be used'.
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+&gt;<i> For example, I install the firefox-debug-10.0.7-1.mga2.x86_64 package
+</I>&gt;<i> for debugging the firefox. While gdb load the firefox core dump file,
+</I>&gt;<i> gdb cannot read debugging symbols from other debug packages as they
+</I>&gt;<i> are not installed at the same time. Although they are needed for
+</I>&gt;<i> debugging.
+</I>I don't know if there an easy way to do it. Usually, tough, the name of
+the function where the crash does occurs is enough to tell wich debug
+package is needed exactly.
+
+That could be an interesting urpmi feature, tough, to be able to
+automatically install all those packages at once.
+--
+BOFH excuse #350:
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+paradigm shift...without a clutch
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 13/09/2012 18:06, Phoenix Guo a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi All,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could someone kindly tell me that how to install a debug package with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> its dependencies?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is not dependencies between debug packages, in the sense of 'debug
+</I>&gt;<i> package X need debug package Y to be used'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For example, I install the firefox-debug-10.0.7-1.mga2.x86_64 package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for debugging the firefox. While gdb load the firefox core dump file,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gdb cannot read debugging symbols from other debug packages as they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are not installed at the same time. Although they are needed for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> debugging.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know if there an easy way to do it. Usually, tough, the name of the
+</I>&gt;<i> function where the crash does occurs is enough to tell wich debug package is
+</I>&gt;<i> needed exactly.
+</I>
+gdb used to list the debug packages to install
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+On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:56:07 -0700
+Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Guillaume Rousse
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 13/09/2012 18:06, Phoenix Guo a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi All,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Could someone kindly tell me that how to install a debug package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; with its dependencies?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There is not dependencies between debug packages, in the sense of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'debug package X need debug package Y to be used'.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For example, I install the firefox-debug-10.0.7-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; package for debugging the firefox. While gdb load the firefox core
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; dump file, gdb cannot read debugging symbols from other debug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; packages as they are not installed at the same time. Although they
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; are needed for debugging.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't know if there an easy way to do it. Usually, tough, the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; name of the function where the crash does occurs is enough to tell
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wich debug package is needed exactly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gdb used to list the debug packages to install
+</I>
+It still can, see:
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3417#c19">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3417#c19</A>
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+for a workaround.
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+Regards,
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+it's not included in mageia itself.
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+just patch away), the work must be maintained by someone, and more patches ==
+more work to get it maintainable, if the patches are acceptible for the other
+packagers in question.
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+Op donderdag 13 september 2012 14:08:30 schreef Damian Ivanov:
+&gt;<i> I am not talking yet about getting unity included in Mageia, but to
+</I>&gt;<i> have the repo that is available for openSUSE and Fedora users
+</I>&gt;<i> available for Mageia too. Add repo ==&gt; Update ==&gt; install unity
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well mentoring is important, users also but if there are zillions patches
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on core GNOME it's another thing. And this has to be discussed here
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Claire
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+Il 13/09/2012 14:08, Damian Ivanov ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> I am not talking yet about getting unity included in Mageia, but
+</I>&gt;<i> to have the repo that is available for openSUSE and Fedora users
+</I>&gt;<i> available for Mageia too. Add repo ==&gt; Update ==&gt; install unity
+</I>You mean using opensuse build system?
+
+As far as i can say adding the availability to build also mageia
+packages could be a good thing.
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+As far as user concerned though, using different repositories that
+are not officials could be dangerous.
+I'd prefer to have contributor in mageia instead...
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+That does not mean that you can't go on and maybe contribute to
+mageia as well after...
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> You mean using opensuse build system?
+</I>Absolutely.
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+&gt;<i> As far as i can say adding the availability to build also mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> packages could be a good thing.
+</I>I think best would even be Mageia being build by OBS itself as whole
+distribution.
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+&gt;<i> As far as user concerned though, using different repositories that
+</I>&gt;<i> are not officials could be dangerous.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd prefer to have contributor in mageia instead...
+</I>Fedora and oepnSUSE unity is like this and if we have 3-4 maintainers
+(one for Fedora, openSUSE, Mageia etc)
+it should be even more safe than directly in the distribution. 4
+distri maintainers watching the same sources and patches and one
+place.
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+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> it should be even more safe than directly in the distribution. 4
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+all that glitters is not gold... It's very hard to have a unique
+spec file, rpm macros, package names, etc are often if not always
+different, but i see some good things following libyui project...
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+&gt;<i> all that glitters is not gold... It's very hard to have a unique
+</I>&gt;<i> spec file, rpm macros, package names, etc are often if not always
+</I>&gt;<i> different, but i see some good things following libyui project...
+</I>I dind't say a unique spec file, the only things that differs are the
+macros and the Requires, BuildRequires,
+but we will share make options, patches etc (read my initial email)
+the BuildRequires are even almost the samo just 5% to go using
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+&gt;&gt;<i> You mean using opensuse build system?
+</I>&gt;<i> Absolutely.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As far as i can say adding the availability to build also mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages could be a good thing.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think best would even be Mageia being build by OBS itself as whole
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Why? We already have a working buildsystem.
+
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+&gt;&gt;<i> As far as user concerned though, using different repositories that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are not officials could be dangerous.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd prefer to have contributor in mageia instead...
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora and oepnSUSE unity is like this and if we have 3-4 maintainers
+</I>&gt;<i> (one for Fedora, openSUSE, Mageia etc)
+</I>&gt;<i> it should be even more safe than directly in the distribution. 4
+</I>&gt;<i> distri maintainers watching the same sources and patches and one
+</I>&gt;<i> place.
+</I>
+
+Well, I dont see stuff doing hacks like &quot;Obsoletes/Provides gtk3&quot; to
+replace the real upstream packages ever being allowed in official repos.
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+ - OBS has a web interface ( lots of ppl including me do lot of
+the spec file editing, patching etc. using the web interface from
+windows e.g from work PC / mobile platforms)
+ - In OBS it's very easy to fix a package for everyone, if you have
+an account at the OBS server, just branch it, fix it, submit it (and
+wait for approval)
+ - Package that are on build.opensuse.org can be linked to, inter
+instance linking, copying, aggregating (with enough user permission)
+is no problem
+- OBS is already used by more than 33,327 confirmed developers.
+- Mandriva is also considering it.
+- You would do something for inter-distro collaboration (and well we
+can discuss this, OBS is the most advanced build system)
+
+&gt;<i> Well, I dont see stuff doing hacks like &quot;Obsoletes/Provides gtk3&quot; to
+</I>&gt;<i> replace the real upstream packages ever being allowed in official repos.
+</I>We can remove the obsoletes, it would be just the gtk3 fork of ubuntu
+in the repo alternatively installable.
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+&gt;<i> There are lots of good reasons to switch to OBS
+</I>&gt;<i> - OBS has a web interface ( lots of ppl including me do lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> the spec file editing, patching etc. using the web interface from
+</I>&gt;<i> windows e.g from work PC / mobile platforms)
+</I>
+I'd rather have developers that actually use the distro they build for
+and test the fixes themselves too.
+
+&gt;<i> - In OBS it's very easy to fix a package for everyone, if you have
+</I>&gt;<i> an account at the OBS server, just branch it, fix it, submit it (and
+</I>&gt;<i> wait for approval)
+</I>
+
+And if you have a mga packager account you can do the same on our
+system, if not you can file a bug or send/suggest patches too...
+
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+&gt;<i> - Package that are on build.opensuse.org can be linked to, inter
+</I>&gt;<i> instance linking, copying, aggregating (with enough user permission)
+</I>&gt;<i> is no problem
+</I>
+-ENOTCOMPUTE
+
+&gt;<i> - OBS is already used by more than 33,327 confirmed developers.
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mandriva is also considering it.
+</I>&gt;<i> - You would do something for inter-distro collaboration (and well we
+</I>&gt;<i> can discuss this, OBS is the most advanced build system)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, inter-distro collaboration happends without OBS too...
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Well, I dont see stuff doing hacks like &quot;Obsoletes/Provides gtk3&quot; to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> replace the real upstream packages ever being allowed in official repos.
+</I>&gt;<i> We can remove the obsoletes, it would be just the gtk3 fork of ubuntu
+</I>&gt;<i> in the repo alternatively installable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+--
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+</I>&gt;<i> test the fixes themselves too.
+</I>Oh, I use it on all my three private PC's
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+<A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_comparison">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_comparison</A>
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+&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0.6.24-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 293634
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 0.6.24
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+Thanks! This fixed a problem in system settings (it needed this version
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+<PRE>El jue, 13-09-2012 a las 22:37 +0200, Damian Ivanov escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> There are lots of good reasons to switch to OBS
+</I>&gt;<i> - OBS has a web interface ( lots of ppl including me do lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> the spec file editing, patching etc. using the web interface from
+</I>&gt;<i> windows e.g from work PC / mobile platforms)
+</I>&gt;<i> - In OBS it's very easy to fix a package for everyone, if you have
+</I>&gt;<i> an account at the OBS server, just branch it, fix it, submit it (and
+</I>&gt;<i> wait for approval)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Package that are on build.opensuse.org can be linked to, inter
+</I>&gt;<i> instance linking, copying, aggregating (with enough user permission)
+</I>&gt;<i> is no problem
+</I>&gt;<i> - OBS is already used by more than 33,327 confirmed developers.
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mandriva is also considering it.
+</I>&gt;<i> - You would do something for inter-distro collaboration (and well we
+</I>&gt;<i> can discuss this, OBS is the most advanced build system)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well, I dont see stuff doing hacks like &quot;Obsoletes/Provides gtk3&quot; to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; replace the real upstream packages ever being allowed in official repos.
+</I>&gt;<i> We can remove the obsoletes, it would be just the gtk3 fork of ubuntu
+</I>&gt;<i> in the repo alternatively installable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Damian
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Could both gtk+ versions be parallel instalable? (to keep using official
+gtk+ for most applications but those requiring ubuntu patches)
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Could both gtk+ versions be parallel instalable? (to keep using official
+</I>&gt;<i> gtk+ for most applications but those requiring ubuntu patches)
+</I>No, ubuntu patches patch actual files, it would not be possible to
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Nicolas L&#233;cureuil at 13/09/12 12:39 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 13 septembre 2012 13:32:54 EatDirt a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> seems to have been replaced by /bin/poweroff making kdm failing to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> poweroff. I can open a bug report if needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Chris.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks for the notice, i just fixed on the svn. Will be part of the next
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-kde4-config package update.
+</I>
+Sweet. I had swithered (Scottish word, if you don't know it:
+<A HREF="http://caledonianmercury.com/2010/03/14/useful-scots-word-swither/003379">http://caledonianmercury.com/2010/03/14/useful-scots-word-swither/003379</A>)
+about whether or not to add compat symlinks in sbin, but if there are
+only a few things affected, it's better to fix them at source.
+
+Two points however:
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+1. As we are post-usrmove, /usr/bin/poweroff should be preferred to
+/bin/poweroff
+
+2. We should really attempt to port kdm to logind. This will give true
+automatic multi-seat support and will allow proper management of
+shutdown and such like procedures without relying on legacy/compat binaries.
+
+If anyone is willing to help on this porting effort, I probably arrange
+some multi-seat h/w through upstream contact (e.g. little USB devices
+you plugin that gives you an extra keyboard+mouse+screen). I'll try and
+speak with upstream about it too, but if someone wants to do some kdm
+hacking from this end, that would be nice!
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+'Twas brillig, and Damian Ivanov at 12/09/12 11:33 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> My name is Damian Ivanov. Xiao-Long Chen and me are the maintainers of
+</I>&gt;<i> unity desktop environment for openSUSE and Fedora
+</I>
+Thanks for writing and getting in touch!
+
+It's certainly an interesting proposal, but it's really one that opens a
+box of many more related questions, some of which I'll try and touch on
+below.
+
+1. External Repositories
+
+The &quot;Here is my PPA where I do x, y and z&quot; style approach to software
+repositories is always one we've deliberately avoided. It's creates
+significant problems for our (relatively) small teams when doing QA and
+addressing bug reports. For example if a user is using third party
+software and they open a bug report, the Triagers and packagers need to
+be aware of that, but it's often something users do not know to
+highlight or the decide by themselves that it's &quot;not relevant&quot; (when, in
+fact, it often can be due to some obscure library that is loaded
+dynamically that messes up the whole stack).
+
+It also creates significant problems on upgrades, if they have upgrade
+one package to a non-official version, that then might affect the rest
+of the distribution when it comes time to upgrade.
+
+None of the problems here are insurmountable, but they do exist and if
+we are to continue to produce a quality product, we need to keep a
+strong hold on the reigns with regards to this kind of stuff.
+
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+2. If external repositories are to be discouraged then the next obvious
+step is to try an incorporate it in Mageia repos directly. However,
+unity in particular is a pretty onerous package when it comes to
+non-upstream modifications to other packages. This is Canonical's choice
+when they designed things this way. I'd rather see more upstream
+collaboration, and I'd personally want Mageia to encourage that general
+principle, not sign up to the policy that downstream divergence is OK
+and something to be supported and encouraged. For this reason, for me
+personally, I'd exclude Unity from Mageia official repositories until
+the patches can be properly upstreamed. This is a primarily politically
+reasoned decision. I don't like divergence and I favour collaboration.
+
+
+3. Ignoring the above points and thinking more practically, would you
+propose to use the same specs for Fedora, OpenSuse and Mageia for the
+packages or would you use separate ones? Sorry if this is stated already
+and I'm just blind! If they are the same, then I suspect this would
+cause even more issues as the distros obviously diverge in their
+packaging structure.
+
+
+4. How do you handle automatic rebuilds when a package changes? e.g.
+when we change our official gtk, I presume you would want to
+automatically rebuild yours too? Also what if lower level things change,
+e.g. automated provides/requires extraction stuff provided at a lower
+level. I presume all this stuff &quot;just works&quot; in OBS?
+
+
+5. Regarding using OBS generally for Mageia, I would not personally be
+against it in principle, but there are lots and lots of barriers there.
+We do already have a working build infrastructure and we can control it
+and have experience of fixing, tweaking it etc. We know it's quirks.
+With OBS it would be like starting again. That's not to say it wouldn't
+be the &quot;right choice&quot;, but it could very easily not be the &quot;right choice
+right now&quot;. It would take the primary sysadmins to be really
+enthusiastic and keen on any transition and know exactly what benefits
+it would bring us. Although I can't speak for everyone, I just don't
+think there is enough in the way of resources right now for that to be
+the case.
+
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+6. While I'm sure the web interface is nice, I presume it must link
+directly to a RCS in the background? e.g. we'd need it to hook into our
+subversion system right now. AFAIUI OBS had a some crazy custom RCS
+behind it. Is this now more generic? Can it hook up to subversion and/or
+git these days, how would it deal with user authentication?
+
+
+7. There is a large part of me that wants to avoid adding everything and
+anything to Mageia just because we can. Even although this is community
+lead, and community driven, if we end up adding everything and anything
+we could easily end up being a jack of all trades and a master of none.
+We already have, IMO, too many options in some cases. Look at the login
+manager world, we have about five or six of those and only one is
+actually the one I'd want to use and that's GDM. The reason being that
+it is being proactive in genuinely solving the problems of today. We
+already have issues with most of the other DMs because they are not
+doing PAM correctly or are only half integrated. It's a lot of effort to
+keep up with things and unless upstream are being proactive (which many
+are not) then it falls to the downstream to pick up the slack. I
+personally have no interest in lightdm, slim, lxdm etc. but yet I seem
+to have to look at bug reports concerning them. Adding more stuff will
+inherently make things harder to deal with unless there is a
+corresponding increase in talented and pro-active contributors too!
+
+
+Just as a final note, I would like to thank you for your interest here.
+It's important to note that I'm all for collaboration and for
+encouraging contributions to Mageia whatever they are. I don't want some
+of my own, personal opinions to put anyone off, but I do want people to
+appreciate the broad reasons for such concerns (which I'm sure are
+shared by others too) and what would need to be done to address them to
+everyones ongoing satisfaction.
+
+All the best
+
+Col
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Hi Colin,
+
+Thanks for you're answer!
+
+&gt;<i> The &quot;Here is my PPA where I do x, y and z&quot; style approach to software
+</I>&gt;<i> repositories is always one we've deliberately avoided. It's creates
+</I>&gt;<i> significant problems for our (relatively) small teams when doing QA and
+</I>&gt;<i> addressing bug reports.
+</I>Agreed, I'm quite sure 90% of users use additional repos anyway, in
+Mageia this percentage is
+most likely lower than on Fedora and openSUSE (where you need 3rd
+party repos for mp3 and binary drivers)
+due to included multimedia, nvidia/ati stuff in nonfree and tainted,
+still Mageia users will want to install chrome, skype repos. In future
+they may want to have a steam repo, if Valve is cheerful. So one
+option would be to have unity repo as a 3rd party repo, where I
+understand it would be even worse for some people since it is
+tinkering with gtk2,gtk3 and few other packages. The other thing
+getting it in main Mageia repo would be much easier in OBS (will
+explain below).
+
+&gt;<i> This is Canonical's choice
+</I>&gt;<i> when they designed things this way. I'd rather see more upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> collaboration, and I'd personally want Mageia to encourage that general
+</I>&gt;<i> principle, I don't like divergence and I favour collaboration.
+</I>I favour collaboration too, but the Canoncial actually tried there
+best for upstream collaboration.
+I reviewed some of the patches in gtk, gnome-control-center etc. Most
+have filed bugs upstream,
+e.g
+1. bug gnome-control-center to have an option in power to set an
+action for what happens when closing laptop lid
+including Canoncials patch =&gt; closed won't fix =&gt; irritating user with
+too much options
+2. gtk's appmenu =&gt; closed won't fix because Gmenu exists and gtk is
+designed for gnome-shell...,
+on Ubuntu both things work appmenu and Gmenu, on vanilla gtk only Gmenu,
+
+It's just people &quot;upstream&quot; even denying things that are optional.
+Actually Canoncials did the gtk2 and gtk3
+packages can be looked like a fork, but they choose to not have there
+own git/svn/bzr gtk3-ubuntu,
+but to patch the vanilla sources so it is easier to stay close to
+upstream and not going in different direction,
+where the code base would be un-revertable scattered across different
+projects (so IMO they did the community a favor).
+Would it be acceptable to have in the main repos gtk3 and gtk3-ubuntu
+(both providing gtk3, but conflicting)?
+The other thing I thought of, but I am not sure if we can actually do
+this, is having %dir/gtk3 and dir %dir/gtk3-ubuntu
+and libgtk3, libgtk3-ubuntu installed at the same time and being a
+choice by alternative chooser.
+
+&gt;<i> 3. Ignoring the above points and thinking more practically, would you
+</I>&gt;<i> propose to use the same specs for Fedora, OpenSuse and Mageia for the
+</I>&gt;<i> packages or would you use separate ones? If they are the same, then I suspect this would
+</I>&gt;<i> cause even more issues as the distros obviously diverge in their
+</I>&gt;<i> packaging structure.
+</I>Yes and no. Lot of the packages could be even with one spec file, the
+naming and dir structures
+are only a problem for few packages where distro specific rules
+differ, the most diff we actually have
+are the build time macros. In most packages that are not half-forks
+(e.g gtk is a half-fork) only 2-3 lines in the whole
+spec file differs. For these packages we have the following OBS strucutre:
+$Package (folder)
+==&gt;sources.tar.gz
+===&gt; a) %name-openSUSE_12.2.spec (or only %name.spec)
+===&gt; b) %name-Fedora_17.spec
+I made a script that keeps track of each packages spec's diff and on
+a whole repo's diff (
+<A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=obsdiff&amp;package=0_TODOS_SCRIPTS_ETC&amp;project=GNOME%3AAyatana">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=obsdiff&amp;package=0_TODOS_SCRIPTS_ETC&amp;project=GNOME%3AAyatana</A>
+) and we are trying to eliminate these few bits by collaborating with
+distros to get closer their macros. The Requires section is quite well
+working
+with pkgconfig.
+
+&gt;<i> 4. How do you handle automatic rebuilds when a package changes? e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> when we change our official gtk, I presume you would want to
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically rebuild yours too? Also what if lower level things change,
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. automated provides/requires extraction stuff provided at a lower
+</I>&gt;<i> level. I presume all this stuff &quot;just works&quot; in OBS?
+</I>Ok so here we come to our half-fork packages like gtk. Yes this just
+works on OBS for OBS based repos/distros/projects.
+We can branch openSUSE/gtk3 to Ayatana/gtk3 and we can optionally
+choose merge future changes from upstream, making it possible
+Ayatana/gtk3 to be just the openSUSE/gtk3 with Ayatana patches, if
+openSUSE/gtk3 adds a gtk3-omg-crash.patch our package will be rebuild
+too with our patches and this new patch. For Fedora we need to monitor
+it on our own since Fedora is not using OBS (partially with scripts
+notifying us).
+
+&gt;<i> 5. Regarding using OBS generally for Mageia, I would not personally be
+</I>&gt;<i> against it in principle, but there are lots and lots of barriers there.
+</I>&gt;<i> We do already have a working build infrastructure and we can control it
+</I>&gt;<i> and have experience of fixing, tweaking it etc. We know it's quirks.
+</I>&gt;<i> With OBS it would be like starting again. That's not to say it wouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> be the &quot;right choice&quot;, but it could very easily not be the &quot;right choice
+</I>&gt;<i> right now&quot;. It would take the primary sysadmins to be really
+</I>&gt;<i> enthusiastic and keen on any transition and know exactly what benefits
+</I>&gt;<i> it would bring us. Although I can't speak for everyone, I just don't
+</I>&gt;<i> think there is enough in the way of resources right now for that to be
+</I>&gt;<i> the case.
+</I>Well what benefits would it bring.
+- Connection of instances, build.mageia.org can link/aggregate to
+packages at build.opensuse.org
+- Can autofetch from git/svn/bzr
+- Automatic rebuild
+- Webinterface
+- OBS is the most widely-used build system
+(openSUSE, SLES, Meego, Dell Community Repository, United States
+Postal Service, various universities and others)
+
+-It will be lot easier for packagers to maintain packages for various
+distributions (even when they are in the main
+ repo of these distribution).
+ ==&gt; Upload new version for package ==&gt; Change in spec's ==&gt;
+Create one push request per distro
+
+Sure there is &quot;never change a running system&quot;.
+What we could do is, for a soft beginning:
+1. get OBS build Mageia .rpm's
+2. get OBS run on Mageia as host (it is running already on centOS, so
+it is portable)
+3. use in parallel Mageias build structure and OBS (OBS can rsync
+Mageia source packages and rebuild them)
+ for a soft transition.
+
+PS: and well I would help, Adrian Schroeter, the man who does the most
+things for OBS may offer help too, as he offered it to Mandriva (see
+comments: <A HREF="http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2011/07/19/we-start-collecting-wishes-for-new-build-system/">http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2011/07/19/we-start-collecting-wishes-for-new-build-system/</A>
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+
+&gt;<i> 6. While I'm sure the web interface is nice, I presume it must link
+</I>&gt;<i> directly to a RCS in the background? e.g. we'd need it to hook into our
+</I>&gt;<i> subversion system right now. AFAIUI OBS had a some crazy custom RCS
+</I>&gt;<i> behind it. Is this now more generic? Can it hook up to subversion and/or
+</I>&gt;<i> git these days, how would it deal with user authentication?
+</I>OBS has a non-git/svn RCS (I don't think the default would change, but
+may a backend is possible).
+OBS's RCS works great with user authentication. Every project e.g on
+the obs instance build.mageia.org each project can have set different
+users set. e.g <A HREF="OBS://Mageia">OBS://Mageia</A> has 2 maintainers (only these are allowed
+to accept request and change the sources and delete or create new
+packages), 5 Bugowner 10 Reviewer 10 Downloaders 5 Readers. It also
+support groups rather than users. Revision control is great, one
+command or 4 clicks in the WebUI to rollback to any revision with also
+the possibility to see the diff of each to each repository in the
+webui and directly browse sources of old revisions)
+
+Cheers,
+Damian
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+<PRE>Le 11/09/2012 13:44, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 11/09/12 11:47 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 11/09/2012 12:23, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 11.09.2012 13:15, Guillaume Rousse kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The /run - /var/run merge (/usrmove) is supposed to make the change
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> transparent for applications. Manually converting applications to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> explicitely refers to the new location doesn't change its usefulness.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, if your system can't mount /var for some reason then keeping
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> things on /run might make recovery easier.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then we probably should not refer to systemd directory as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/systemd, but as /lib/systemd for exactly the same reason.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't really see the comparison here.
+</I>The point was: if the canonical path for /usr/lib|/lib directory (which
+is actually the same) if the longuest one, why should the canonical path
+for the /var/run|/run directory be the shortest one ?
+
+&gt;<i> systemd is build to use /usr/lib/systemd these days, so it's technically
+</I>&gt;<i> incorrect to refer to it as anything else (of course technically
+</I>&gt;<i> incorrect != practically incorrect!)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also, the usefulness of an available /run when /var is quite discutable,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whereas its main purpose is to store pid files for backgroud processes,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> most of them using /var/lib for storing their data.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, not just pid files. It also stores socket files which are critical
+</I>&gt;<i> for IPC and such like and is an important bridge between initrd and the
+</I>&gt;<i> real rootfs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally I'm more in favour of using /run directly and adding lint
+</I>&gt;<i> rules that cause a build failure if files are packaged in either
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/run or /run.
+</I>Shipping /var/run or /run files/directory is a different issues, and is
+rather related to tmpfs conversion.
+
+However, a distinct lint rule could be to disallow the creation of
+/var/run subdirectories in tmpfiles.d configuration files, or to use
+/var/run pathes for PID files in systemd unit configuration files, if
+/run is to be preferred.
+
+&gt;<i> If nothing else it's marginally more efficient to use /run. No spinning
+</I>&gt;<i> media stat required to dereference the index. In extreme cases, it will
+</I>&gt;<i> help extend battery life. The benefits are tiny I'm sure, but it does
+</I>&gt;<i> depend on context/setup and if there is no other tangible reasons, maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> even this small advantage is enough to sway in one direction rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> the other!
+</I>Well, I'm not really impressed by potential perf issues, especially with
+no backing benchmarks. I'm rather concerned about ease of maintainance,
+and consistency between spec files.
+
+Anyway, I just found out than /usr/lib and /run are the actual
+directory, with /lib and /var/run the symlinks. Which makes an argument
+of favor of considering the first one as canonical.
+
+--
+BOFH excuse #182:
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+&gt;<i> Le 13/09/2012 18:06, Phoenix Guo a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi All,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could someone kindly tell me that how to install a debug package with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> its dependencies?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is not dependencies between debug packages, in the sense of 'debug
+</I>&gt;<i> package X need debug package Y to be used'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks for your explaination.
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> For example, I install the firefox-debug-10.0.7-1.mga2.x86_64 package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for debugging the firefox. While gdb load the firefox core dump file,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gdb cannot read debugging symbols from other debug packages as they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are not installed at the same time. Although they are needed for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> debugging.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know if there an easy way to do it. Usually, tough, the name of the
+</I>&gt;<i> function where the crash does occurs is enough to tell wich debug package is
+</I>&gt;<i> needed exactly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That could be an interesting urpmi feature, tough, to be able to
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically install all those packages at once.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> BOFH excuse #350:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> paradigm shift...without a clutch
+</I>
+Yes. Because while debugging a program in RHEL or Fedora, a command
+named 'debuginfo-install' which is provided by yum-utils can be used
+to automatically install all needed debug information packages. For
+example, to install the debuginfo package of bash:
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+#debuginfo-install bash
+Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, refresh-packagekit, remove-with-leaves
+enabling epel-debuginfo
+Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
+ * base: mirrors.btte.net
+ * epel: ftp.riken.jp
+ * epel-debuginfo: ftp.riken.jp
+ * extras: mirrors.btte.net
+ * nux-dextop: mirror.li.nux.ro
+ * updates: mirrors.163.com
+Checking for new repos for mirrors
+Could not find debuginfo pkg for dependency package
+ncurses-libs-5.7-3.20090208.el6.x86_64
+--&gt; Running transaction check
+---&gt; Package bash-debuginfo.x86_64 0:4.1.2-9.el6_2 will be installed
+---&gt; Package glibc-debuginfo.x86_64 0:2.12-1.80.el6_3.5 will be installed
+--&gt; Processing Dependency: glibc-debuginfo-common = 2.12-1.80.el6_3.5
+for package: glibc-debuginfo-2.12-1.80.el6_3.5.x86_64
+---&gt; Package yum-plugin-auto-update-debug-info.noarch 0:1.1.30-14.el6
+will be installed
+--&gt; Running transaction check
+---&gt; Package glibc-debuginfo-common.x86_64 0:2.12-1.80.el6_3.5 will be installed
+--&gt; Finished Dependency Resolution
+
+Dependencies Resolved
+
+======================================================================================================================================================
+ Package Arch
+ Version Repository
+ Size
+======================================================================================================================================================
+Installing:
+ bash-debuginfo x86_64
+ 4.1.2-9.el6_2 debug
+ 1.3 M
+ glibc-debuginfo x86_64
+ 2.12-1.80.el6_3.5 debug
+ 8.7 M
+ yum-plugin-auto-update-debug-info noarch
+ 1.1.30-14.el6 base
+ 22 k
+Installing for dependencies:
+ glibc-debuginfo-common x86_64
+ 2.12-1.80.el6_3.5 debug
+ 8.2 M
+
+Transaction Summary
+======================================================================================================================================================
+Install 4 Package(s)
+
+Total download size: 18 M
+Installed size: 105 M
+Is this ok [y/N]:
+
+
+For developer and Testing Engineer, the easier to obtain full debug
+information about a package, the easier to find out defects or bugs.
+
+Besides the debuginfo package, I think the kexec package is important
+to generate a vmcore if the kernel panic occurs. I repackage the
+kexec-tools of Mandriva for Mageia and currently testing on my laptop.
+
+BTW, the gdb in the mageia2 still cannot tell which debug packages
+should be installed while debugging. And it seems that the work-around
+~~~
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3417#c19">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3417#c19</A>
+~~~
+does not works...
+
+Should I recompile the latest gdb package on Mageia to make it work?
+
+Many thanks!!
+
+Best Regards,
+--
+chgurusky
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 14/09/12 14:24 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 11/09/2012 13:44, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 11/09/12 11:47 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 11/09/2012 12:23, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 11.09.2012 13:15, Guillaume Rousse kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The /run - /var/run merge (/usrmove) is supposed to make the change
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> transparent for applications. Manually converting applications to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> explicitely refers to the new location doesn't change its usefulness.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, if your system can't mount /var for some reason then keeping
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> things on /run might make recovery easier.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Then we probably should not refer to systemd directory as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/systemd, but as /lib/systemd for exactly the same reason.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't really see the comparison here.
+</I>&gt;<i> The point was: if the canonical path for /usr/lib|/lib directory (which
+</I>&gt;<i> is actually the same) if the longuest one, why should the canonical path
+</I>&gt;<i> for the /var/run|/run directory be the shortest one ?
+</I>
+It's nothing to do with length, it's to do with which one is not a symlink!
+
+Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but /run serves a purpose and kinda needs
+to be on the root partition such that the initrd can mount and use it.
+
+We cannot really put that path into /var/run and then make /run a
+symlink to it because the initrd might not have /var mounted yet.
+
+Am I misinterpreting the question here?
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Personally I'm more in favour of using /run directly and adding lint
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rules that cause a build failure if files are packaged in either
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /var/run or /run.
+</I>&gt;<i> Shipping /var/run or /run files/directory is a different issues, and is
+</I>&gt;<i> rather related to tmpfs conversion.
+</I>
+Agreed, but I figured it was related enough to mention :)
+
+&gt;<i> Anyway, I just found out than /usr/lib and /run are the actual
+</I>&gt;<i> directory, with /lib and /var/run the symlinks. Which makes an argument
+</I>&gt;<i> of favor of considering the first one as canonical.
+</I>
+Ahh that might explain things :) Yeah /run is the actual folder,
+/var/run is just a compat symlink. The idea being to eventually remove
+any reference to /bin or /var/run etc.
+
+Col
+
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+colin(at)mageia.org
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+<PRE>I would prefer a different tmpfs to not interfere with stuff outside the chroot
+
+On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:35 AM, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision 5837 Author tv Date 2012-09-12 19:35:55 +0200 (Wed, 12 Sep 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
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+</I>&gt;<i> else it can result in sudo asking password
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> build_system/iurt/trunk/NEWS
+</I>&gt;<i> build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: build_system/iurt/trunk/NEWS
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- build_system/iurt/trunk/NEWS 2012-09-12 17:35:50 UTC (rev 5836)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ build_system/iurt/trunk/NEWS 2012-09-12 17:35:55 UTC (rev 5837)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,4 +1,5 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> 0.6.11 (unreleased)
+</I>&gt;<i> +- mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 0.6.10
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix false positive when looking for errors
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm 2012-09-12 17:35:50 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 5836)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm 2012-09-12 17:35:55 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 5837)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -88,7 +88,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> sudo($config, &quot;--umount&quot;, &quot;$chroot/proc&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> return;
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;<i> - if (system(&quot;$sudo mount none -t tmpfs $chroot/dev/shm&quot;)) {
+</I>&gt;<i> + if (!sudo($config, '--bindmount', &quot;/dev/shm&quot;, &quot;$chroot/dev/shm&quot;)) {
+</I>&gt;<i> plog('WARNING', &quot;Failed to mount /dev/shm&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;<i> if ($run-&gt;{icecream}) {
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+In my view, that's not a good argument. The fact that most people do one thing does not mean that we should do it.
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+ <B>Damian Ivanov</B>
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+<PRE>Here it is not like omg, I want to have my new toy, everybody has it.It is
+wow lots of entreprise users reporting bugs. But ok, let's ignore that
+point, there are other points.
+;)
+On Sep 14, 2012 6:54 PM, &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 14 September 2012 14:03, Damian Ivanov wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - OBS is the most widely-used build system
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In my view, that's not a good argument. The fact that most people do one
+</I>&gt;<i> thing does not mean that we should do it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I remember I used to use the same argument when agruing with my mother
+</I>&gt;<i> when I wanted something.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Everyone else have/use it&quot;, to which she replied: &quot;I'm not everyone
+</I>&gt;<i> else's mother&quot; :-)=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Johnny A. Solbu
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+<PRE>On 14 September 2012 17:46, Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I would prefer a different tmpfs to not interfere with stuff outside the chroot
+</I>
+I agree but this needs sudo config and people were complaining about it.
+
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:35 AM, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 5837 Author tv Date 2012-09-12 19:35:55 +0200 (Wed, 12 Sep 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> else it can result in sudo asking password
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> build_system/iurt/trunk/NEWS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: build_system/iurt/trunk/NEWS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- build_system/iurt/trunk/NEWS 2012-09-12 17:35:50 UTC (rev 5836)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ build_system/iurt/trunk/NEWS 2012-09-12 17:35:55 UTC (rev 5837)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -1,4 +1,5 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 0.6.11 (unreleased)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +- mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 0.6.10
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix false positive when looking for errors
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm 2012-09-12 17:35:50 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 5836)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm 2012-09-12 17:35:55 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 5837)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -88,7 +88,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sudo($config, &quot;--umount&quot;, &quot;$chroot/proc&quot;);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> return;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - if (system(&quot;$sudo mount none -t tmpfs $chroot/dev/shm&quot;)) {
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + if (!sudo($config, '--bindmount', &quot;/dev/shm&quot;, &quot;$chroot/dev/shm&quot;)) {
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> plog('WARNING', &quot;Failed to mount /dev/shm&quot;);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if ($run-&gt;{icecream}) {
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+<PRE>2012/9/14 Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Friday 14 September 2012 14:03, Damian Ivanov wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - OBS is the most widely-used build system
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In my view, that's not a good argument. The fact that most people do one thing does not mean that we should do it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I remember I used to use the same argument when agruing with my mother when I wanted something.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Everyone else have/use it&quot;, to which she replied: &quot;I'm not everyone else's mother&quot; :-)=
+</I>
+Without being a developer myself I agree to Colin. The Mageia build
+system took time and sweat to be built up to a point where all people
+involved know their way with it. It has no annoying flaws (as far as I
+can tell from reading this list) nor is it obsolete like some
+unmaintained software package.
+
+Coming from this I think there has to be some very good and
+irresistable reasons to switch to another system, especially when most
+of the people would have to go back to point 1 to start to work with
+it. Better reasons than &quot;all my friends have it&quot;.
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+&gt;<i> On 14 September 2012 17:46, Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would prefer a different tmpfs to not interfere with stuff outside the chroot
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+</I>&gt;<i> I agree but this needs sudo config and people were complaining about it.
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+we should never run sudo mount directly indeed, it should be added to the helper
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+<PRE>&gt;<i>Better reasons than &quot;all my friends have it&quot;.
+</I>Like in the last email, let's forget this argument and there are kick
+ass reasons see previous mails,
+It has a reason Mandriva searching for a new build system. And it
+wouldn't be a start at step 1. It is an already
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 02:03:46PM +0200, Damian Ivanov wrote:
+&gt;<i> It's just people &quot;upstream&quot; even denying things that are optional.
+</I>
+Just because a patch exists doesn't mean it is always ok to apply it
+upstream.
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+&gt;<i>From what I understood most of these patches are optional anyway.
+</I>Further, I don't see the relation between some power option settings has
+a relation to for Unity. That's just adding personal preferences.
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+If e.g. upstream and some contributor disagree on something (power
+settings or anything), that doesn't make upstream unwilling. That means
+upstreams opinion is different, nothing more.
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+Note that if something is really needed, and some long term commitment
+is made, then maybe something can be done. At Mageia people are expected
+to take up responsibility. Meaning: become a maintainer for a package,
+look after the bugs, etc. That takes up a lot of time. If you differ
+from upstream then IMO you are responsible for those differences (pretty
+much same if upstream takes a patch).
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+At most if these patches aren't applied some stuff won't work as nicely.
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+Olav
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+&gt;<i> Name : task-obsolete Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 3 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 25.mga3 Build Date: Fri Sep 14 06:46:25 2012
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+&gt;<i> spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 3-25.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 293781
+</I>&gt;<i> - added
+</I>&gt;<i> php-pear-MDB2_Driver_sqlite
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+<PRE>El vie, 14-09-2012 a las 09:06 +0200, Damian Ivanov escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Could both gtk+ versions be parallel instalable? (to keep using official
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gtk+ for most applications but those requiring ubuntu patches)
+</I>&gt;<i> No, ubuntu patches patch actual files, it would not be possible to
+</I>&gt;<i> have gtk2 + gtk2-module-ubuntu
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+I meant if wouldn't be possible to install gtk+2 with ubuntu patches
+inside a different prefix (like /opt/gtk+... or your preferred one) and
+only compile applications that need that patches against that special
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would prefer a different tmpfs to not interfere with stuff outside the chroot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I agree but this needs sudo config and people were complaining about it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> we should never run sudo mount directly indeed, it should be added to the helper
+</I>
+I hesitated on this, for security.
+More is possible than with --bind.
+Not that a big deal though
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+ <B>Damian Ivanov</B>
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+<PRE>There actually only the unity packages needed to be compile against it
+(which is no problem compile only these programs
+against this patched gtk3 with a separate OBS project for unity :) )
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+2012/9/14 Pacho Ramos &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pacho at gentoo.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> El vie, 14-09-2012 a las 09:06 +0200, Damian Ivanov escribi&#243;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Could both gtk+ versions be parallel instalable? (to keep using official
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; gtk+ for most applications but those requiring ubuntu patches)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, ubuntu patches patch actual files, it would not be possible to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have gtk2 + gtk2-module-ubuntu
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I meant if wouldn't be possible to install gtk+2 with ubuntu patches
+</I>&gt;<i> inside a different prefix (like /opt/gtk+... or your preferred one) and
+</I>&gt;<i> only compile applications that need that patches against that special
+</I>&gt;<i> gtk+ version ;)
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+Il 14/09/2012 21:03, Damian Ivanov ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> There actually only the unity packages needed to be compile against
+</I>&gt;<i> it (which is no problem compile only these programs against this
+</I>&gt;<i> patched gtk3 with a separate OBS project for unity :) )
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+hmm but if not statically linked you need to have both libraries
+installed the patched and the official ones...
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I meant if wouldn't be possible to install gtk+2 with ubuntu
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patches inside a different prefix (like /opt/gtk+... or your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> preferred one) and only compile applications that need that
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+On <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/</A> I see both obsolete/ and obsoletes/
+directories. Isn't one or the other... uhm... obsolete?
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+&gt;<i> On <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/</A> I see both obsolete/ and obsoletes/
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+It seems ilke it's &quot;obsoletes/&quot; that's wrong. THere's only 8 packages there, which should be moved into obsolete/.
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+On 15/09/2012 05:59, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Saturday 15 September 2012 05:53, Remco Rijnders wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/</A> I see both obsolete/ and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> obsoletes/
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+</I>&gt;<i> It seems ilke it's &quot;obsoletes/&quot; that's wrong. THere's only 8
+</I>&gt;<i> packages there, which should be moved into obsolete/.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, both here:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines#Obsoleting_a_package">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines#Obsoleting_a_package</A>
+and here:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F</A>
+it is obsolete/
+
+Or is there a different instruction in another page? If so please
+correct it there.
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+I'm waiting for the day SVN itself will be obsolete :)
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+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for new x11-server
+</I>
+BTW blino, you added vdpau-driver-*
+However, those are wrongly named, they should be named
+libvdpau-driver-* instead.
+This prevent having both 32 &amp; 64bit drivers installed on
+biarch systems....
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+&gt;<i> On 13 September 2012 22:52, tv &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3.nonfree:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 293701
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new x11-server
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW blino, you added vdpau-driver-*
+</I>&gt;<i> However, those are wrongly named, they should be named
+</I>&gt;<i> libvdpau-driver-* instead.
+</I>&gt;<i> This prevent having both 32 &amp; 64bit drivers installed on
+</I>&gt;<i> biarch systems....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Last but not least, I think these should be suggested by
+</I>&gt;<i> related x11-driver-video-*
+</I>&gt;<i> (or required so that they end on the install DVD...)
+</I>
+Only if they actually are stable, and don't freeze the system or
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+&gt;<i> 16.09.2012 02:58, Thierry Vignaud kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 13 September 2012 22:52, tv &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3.nonfree:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 293701
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new x11-server
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BTW blino, you added vdpau-driver-*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, those are wrongly named, they should be named
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libvdpau-driver-* instead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This prevent having both 32 &amp; 64bit drivers installed on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> biarch systems....
+</I>
+Ok.
+I reused the naming of the VA-API drivers (vaapi-driver-vdpau), they
+should be fixed as well then.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Last but not least, I think these should be suggested by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> related x11-driver-video-*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (or required so that they end on the install DVD...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Only if they actually are stable, and don't freeze the system or
+</I>&gt;<i> anything when trying video playback.
+</I>
+At least r600 is working fine for me (though not much accelerated
+compared to CPU decoding, but it is just using shaders and not UVD yet).
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> BTW blino, you added vdpau-driver-*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, those are wrongly named, they should be named
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libvdpau-driver-* instead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This prevent having both 32 &amp; 64bit drivers installed on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> biarch systems....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok.
+</I>&gt;<i> I reused the naming of the VA-API drivers (vaapi-driver-vdpau), they
+</I>&gt;<i> should be fixed as well then.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Last but not least, I think these should be suggested by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> related x11-driver-video-*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (or required so that they end on the install DVD...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Only if they actually are stable, and don't freeze the system or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anything when trying video playback.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At least r600 is working fine for me (though not much accelerated
+</I>&gt;<i> compared to CPU decoding, but it is just using shaders and not UVD yet).
+</I>
+Idem for r300.
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+ <B>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou</B>
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+<PRE>Le 08/09/12 01:13,Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm writing about the current rpm group policy:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+</I>
+Hi again,
+
+After a few days of thinking, I wrote a proposal in the form of Feature.
+You can have a look at the following wiki page:
+
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp</A>
+
+At the end you can see the current RPM groups, with the number of
+packages they contain (in x86_64 with i586 activated). On the right is
+the current version of the proposal.
+
+The main changes are so far:
+
+- Remove Books/* -&gt; everything in Documentation
+ * Reason: All books currently in Mageia are documentations of some
+ kind
+- Add several Development/* to reduce Development/Other
+ * Reason Development/Other is cluttered with various programming
+ languages and development tools.
+- Add Games/Shooter to reduce Games/Arcade and Games/Other
+- Split Office into Office/Dictionary, Office/Finance, ...
+- Split Sound into Sound/Editors and Convertors, Sound/Midi, ...
+- Split Video into Video/Editors and Convertors, Video/Players, ...
+
+The last problems that I think need addressing are:
+
+1) Graphical Desktop/FVWM based contains only fvwm2:
+ * Should we leave it like this
+ * Or should we delete the group and move fvwm2 to Graphical
+Desktop/Other ?
+
+2) Graphics has 441 packages currently:
+ * Should we leave it like this
+ * Or should we split it into
+ + Graphics/Editor
+ + Graphics/Convertors
+ + Graphics/Viewers
+ + Graphics/Other
+ * Or any other idea?
+
+3) System/Server has 1016 packages, from daemons to web, FTP, DNS, chat,
+... servers, as well as Web applications.
+ * Should we leave it like this
+ * Or should we split the different Networking subgroups into
+ + Networking/*/Client
+ + Networking/*/Server
+ + Networking/*/Utilities
+ with maybe Networking/WWW/Browser instead of Client and
+ Networking/WWW/Web Applications
+ * Or any other idea?
+
+Please have a look at <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp</A>
+and comment on the list (rather than directly modifying the wiki page).
+Please also give your opinion about the 3 remaining issues above. If you
+have any other issue with some other categories, just tell me.
+
+The goal is that rpmdrake and mageia App Db get easier to browse for
+technical and non-technical users. I think that categories with more
+than a few hundreds packages are too big (unless specifically addresses
+to technical users, like Development/* or System/*).
+
+I hope we can discuss this proposal at the next packager meeting.
+
+Thanks,
+--
+Malo
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+<PRE>Le 10/09/12 14:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">50,brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk</A> nous adresse ces quelques
+mots :
+&gt;<i> I'll stick my 2p in as a user
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How about the package groups relate to the menu entries in Gnome
+</I>&gt;<i> and KDE.
+</I>
+Hi Brian, I forgot to answer you.
+
+Thanks for your suggestion. It's a possibility as well.
+The standard desktop categories are:
+<A HREF="http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html">http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html</A>
+
+I didn't consider it as a first proposal for two reasons:
+
+- It is designed for applications that have a menu entry. So it needs
+ to be amended for all non-GUI packages: it means we do not follow
+ strictly the standard.
+- These categories are completely different from the current RPM
+ groups. It means *all* of Mageia packages need to be changed.
+
+The advantages:
+
+- It makes it easier to have only one classification policy.
+- It is a standard (although not for packages, but still).
+- Users can make more sense of it, since the menu and rpm group match
+- Icons already exist
+
+So this is a possible alternative, but requires even more commitment
+from the packagers.
+
+--
+Malo
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+On Sep 9, 2012, at 3:10 AM, Julien wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le Sun, 09 Sep 2012 12:55:17 +0300,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 08.09.2012 19:49, Colin Guthrie kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So there exists two users (provided by default from the setup pkg)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> called &quot;halt&quot; and &quot;shutdown&quot;. These users just run the halt and shutdown
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> commands as their shell. This means su'ing or sudo'ing or setting a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> password and logging in as them, will shut the machine down.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This seems like a relic from many years ago and there is no need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> include such users in this day and age. Should we kill them off?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +1 on removing them. I didn't even know about them :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The same for me, didn't know they existed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Julien
+</I>
+
+- 1
+Removing them is a really bad idea. It violates fundamental security principles.
+There is a reason processes are run with their user permissions.
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+<PRE>16.09.2012 19:13, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rihoward1 at gmail.com</A> kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> On Sep 9, 2012, at 3:10 AM, Julien wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le Sun, 09 Sep 2012 12:55:17 +0300,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 08.09.2012 19:49, Colin Guthrie kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So there exists two users (provided by default from the setup pkg)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> called &quot;halt&quot; and &quot;shutdown&quot;. These users just run the halt and shutdown
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> commands as their shell. This means su'ing or sudo'ing or setting a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> password and logging in as them, will shut the machine down.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This seems like a relic from many years ago and there is no need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> include such users in this day and age. Should we kill them off?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +1 on removing them. I didn't even know about them :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The same for me, didn't know they existed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Julien
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1
+</I>&gt;<i> Removing them is a really bad idea. It violates fundamental security principles.
+</I>&gt;<i> There is a reason processes are run with their user permissions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hmm, i'm not sure you know what you are talking about. Can you show me where in the code are
+we doing that?
+
+--
+Sander
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+ <B>Marja van Waes</B>
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+Hi everyone,
+
+
+In MCC --&gt; Software Management --&gt; Configure media sources for install
+and update
+so in this screen:
+<A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/drakrpm-edit-media.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/drakrpm-edit-media.html</A>
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+in the menubar --&gt; options
+you can choose *parallel*
+
+It was originally created to enable installing packages on several
+systems in a network at the same time.
+
+Does anyone use this option?
+
+If so, does it *only* work with identical systems (so with the same
+hardware and software), or does it work as long as the systems have
+the same architecture and the same Mageia version?
+
+Cheers,
+marja
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+ <B>Jehan Pag&#232;s</B>
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+I have a question. Is there a reason why the Real Time version of the
+kernel is always under the desktop version?
+I just checked and installed both the last desktop kernel and rt
+kernel from Cauldron here:
+<A HREF="ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/">ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/</A>
+Kernel desktop is 3.5.3 but Real Time is 3.4.9.
+
+My main problem is that the support of the Wacom Intuos 5 tablet
+exists only since the Kernel 3.5. I just tested on Mageia 2 (normal
+one, I only installed the new kernels from Cauldron). It works with
+the desktop kernel 3.5.3, not with the 3.4.9 rt kernel.
+So that would be nice to support a 3.5 real time kernel in Mageia 3. :-)
+
+Jehan
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+&gt;<i> There actually only the unity packages needed to be compile against it
+</I>&gt;<i> (which is no problem compile only these programs
+</I>&gt;<i> against this patched gtk3 with a separate OBS project for unity :) )
+</I>
+Pretty sure you have that incorrect. All programs still need to use the
+modified gtk, as that exports the hacky/old way to get the menu.
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+ <B>Jehan Pag&#232;s</B>
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+I am looking for becoming a Mageia packager, hence for a mentor, per
+Mageia rules.
+
+My background: I am a developer, professionally and for leisure. And I
+have been a Mandrake, then Mandriva, and lately Mageia user. Though I
+have been for some time users of other distributions, like Ubuntu,
+Debian, Gentoo and some less known derivatives. Anyway I have never
+packaged a rpm up to today (I have only one experience of an .deb
+package) but have always wanted to do so because I regularly have to
+install manually softwares in my /usr/local (either because I can't
+find them, or because Mageia packages are outdated, or finally because
+the packaging is broken). So I finally decided to give it a go and
+propose my candidature.
+
+Note that I don't intend to be a &quot;full time&quot; packager. As I said, I
+develop. And I have other activities. So I don't have enough time to
+do everything unfortunately. I will prefer to focus on the few
+packages I encounter problems with (or softwares I develop).
+
+I already have a small TODO list (all the ones I needed and had to
+install myself recently):
+
+- Alchemy: <A HREF="http://al.chemy.org/">http://al.chemy.org/</A>
+An interesting experimental drawing software.
+
+- odns: <A HREF="http://odns.tuxfamily.org/">http://odns.tuxfamily.org/</A>
+An OCaml library I maintain, for querying DNS servers, accompanied by
+a CLI querying tool.
+
+- cinelerra: <A HREF="http://cinelerra.org/">http://cinelerra.org/</A>
+A video editor
+
+- gstreamermm: <A HREF="http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/bindings/cplusplus.html">http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/bindings/cplusplus.html</A>
+C++ binding to gstreamer
+
+- xcftools: <A HREF="http://henning.makholm.net/software">http://henning.makholm.net/software</A>
+A CLI tool to manipulate XCF (Gimp) files.
+
+- FAAC: <A HREF="http://www.audiocoding.com/faac.html">http://www.audiocoding.com/faac.html</A>
+MPEG-4 and MPEG-2 AAC encoder
+
+- subtitle editor: <A HREF="http://home.gna.org/subtitleeditor/">http://home.gna.org/subtitleeditor/</A>
+A tool to edit and create subtitles.
+
+- cld (compact language detector):
+<A HREF="http://code.google.com/p/chromium-compact-language-detector/">http://code.google.com/p/chromium-compact-language-detector/</A>
+The language detector extracted from the Chromium code and packaged
+into its own self-contained library. I am one of the main committer on
+this library.
+It also has a Python binding (which would make a separate package).
+
+- tinysegmenter: <A HREF="http://lilyx.net/tinysegmenter-in-python/">http://lilyx.net/tinysegmenter-in-python/</A>
+A Japanese segmenter in Python. I completely repackaged it with an
+actual setup.py but the author is not responding. So I guess I am
+going to open a separate repository somewhere and will be the
+maintainer on it (I am already the pypi maintainer:
+<A HREF="http://pypi.python.org/pypi/tinysegmenter">http://pypi.python.org/pypi/tinysegmenter</A> ).
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+And I guess that's it for now.
+Hope that's a good start. :-)
+
+Jehan
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+On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 04:07:04 +0900
+Jehan Pag&#232;s &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jehan.marmottard at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am looking for becoming a Mageia packager, hence for a mentor, per
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia rules.
+</I>
+if no one else volunteers, then I guess I can become your mentor as well.
+I am &quot;rindolf&quot; on IRC on #mageia-mentoring and other #mageia channels.
+
+Just a note:
+
+&gt;<i> - FAAC: <A HREF="http://www.audiocoding.com/faac.html">http://www.audiocoding.com/faac.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> MPEG-4 and MPEG-2 AAC encoder
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+From what I recall, FAAC has fell into something that is both &quot;tainted&quot;
+and non-free, which does not have a suitable repository, and so we decided
+against packaging it.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+Here is Thiago Magalhaes from Brazil @ thimagu82. He registered in all
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+packaging.
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+His area of &#8203;&#8203;expertise in real life:
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+- Oracle database
+- Linux Administration (server)
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+Please welcome him and raise hand to mentor him :)
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+On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi Jehan,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 04:07:04 +0900
+</I>&gt;<i> Jehan Pag&#232;s &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jehan.marmottard at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am looking for becoming a Mageia packager, hence for a mentor, per
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia rules.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if no one else volunteers, then I guess I can become your mentor as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am &quot;rindolf&quot; on IRC on #mageia-mentoring and other #mageia channels.
+</I>
+Thanks Shlomi (or should I use Rindolf?).
+I guess I'll email you directly from now on, if I have questions then?
+
+&gt;<i> Just a note:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - FAAC: <A HREF="http://www.audiocoding.com/faac.html">http://www.audiocoding.com/faac.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MPEG-4 and MPEG-2 AAC encoder
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> From what I recall, FAAC has fell into something that is both &quot;tainted&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> and non-free, which does not have a suitable repository, and so we decided
+</I>&gt;<i> against packaging it.
+</I>
+I installed it because it was necessary for cinelerra (It is marked as
+mandatory component in the configure).
+But indeed the text on the main page is kind of not very appealing.
+Chosen extracts:
+
+&quot;No binary distributions are available here, because they require a
+patent license.&quot;
+
+&quot;FAAC is based on the original ISO MPEG reference code. The changes to
+this code are licensed under the LGPL license. The original license is
+not compatible with the LGPL, please be aware of this when using FAAC.
+&quot;
+
+I'll check later on the cinelerra mailing list if they ever plan to
+change this dependency or if they is a way to install cinelerra
+without faad. If not, I guess Mageia will never have it. That explains
+why it seems that cinelerra is in PLF for Mandriva.
+Thanks.
+
+Jehan
+
+&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Stop Using MSIE - <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/no-ie/">http://www.shlomifish.org/no-ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Better be a tail for the lions, than the head of the jackals.
+</I>&gt;<i> &#8212; Pirkei Avot, 4 15
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> .
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rihoward1 at gmail.com</A> at 16/09/12 17:13 did gyre and
+gimble:
+&gt;<i> - 1
+</I>&gt;<i> Removing them is a really bad idea. It violates fundamental security principles.
+</I>&gt;<i> There is a reason processes are run with their user permissions.
+</I>
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+I'm not sure what you mean here. Unless a sysadmin manually sets a
+password for these users, then they are not used.
+
+Just to reiterate these users shells are configured as the corresponding
+commands. The users themselves serve only one purpose and that is to
+shutdown the machine. As stated previously, there are different ways to
+do that these days, and I'm not sure anyone has used these user accounts
+for the state purpose for the last decade at least.
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+Col
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Op maandag 17 september 2012 05:12:11 schreef Jehan Pag&#232;s:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi Jehan,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 04:07:04 +0900
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Jehan Pag&#232;s &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jehan.marmottard at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I am looking for becoming a Mageia packager, hence for a mentor, per
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia rules.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if no one else volunteers, then I guess I can become your mentor as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am &quot;rindolf&quot; on IRC on #mageia-mentoring and other #mageia channels.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks Shlomi (or should I use Rindolf?).
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess I'll email you directly from now on, if I have questions then?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just a note:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - FAAC: <A HREF="http://www.audiocoding.com/faac.html">http://www.audiocoding.com/faac.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; MPEG-4 and MPEG-2 AAC encoder
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; From what I recall, FAAC has fell into something that is both &quot;tainted&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and non-free, which does not have a suitable repository, and so we decided
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; against packaging it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I installed it because it was necessary for cinelerra (It is marked as
+</I>&gt;<i> mandatory component in the configure).
+</I>&gt;<i> But indeed the text on the main page is kind of not very appealing.
+</I>&gt;<i> Chosen extracts:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;No binary distributions are available here, because they require a
+</I>&gt;<i> patent license.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;FAAC is based on the original ISO MPEG reference code. The changes to
+</I>&gt;<i> this code are licensed under the LGPL license. The original license is
+</I>&gt;<i> not compatible with the LGPL, please be aware of this when using FAAC.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll check later on the cinelerra mailing list if they ever plan to
+</I>&gt;<i> change this dependency or if they is a way to install cinelerra
+</I>&gt;<i> without faad. If not, I guess Mageia will never have it. That explains
+</I>&gt;<i> why it seems that cinelerra is in PLF for Mandriva.
+</I>
+actually, iinm, faad is not an issue, just faac is.
+
+faad is just patented (and is in tainted)
+
+faac is both patented and nonfree, and we didn't want to create 10 more
+repositories for just this one package...
+
+
+&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jehan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -----------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Shlomi Fish <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Stop Using MSIE - <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/no-ie/">http://www.shlomifish.org/no-ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Better be a tail for the lions, than the head of the jackals.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#8212; Pirkei Avot, 4 15
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> .
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+Would you mind to look at the setools.spec
+I am not quite sure how all the libs should be done using macros
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+On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please welcome him and raise hand to mentor him :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+
+2012/9/17 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> fwang
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would you mind to look at the setools.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not quite sure how all the libs should be done using macros
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
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+On Sep 16, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Sander Lepik wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 16.09.2012 19:13, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rihoward1 at gmail.com</A> kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sep 9, 2012, at 3:10 AM, Julien wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le Sun, 09 Sep 2012 12:55:17 +0300,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 08.09.2012 19:49, Colin Guthrie kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So there exists two users (provided by default from the setup pkg)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> called &quot;halt&quot; and &quot;shutdown&quot;. These users just run the halt and shutdown
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> commands as their shell. This means su'ing or sudo'ing or setting a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> password and logging in as them, will shut the machine down.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This seems like a relic from many years ago and there is no need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> include such users in this day and age. Should we kill them off?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +1 on removing them. I didn't even know about them :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The same for me, didn't know they existed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Julien
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Removing them is a really bad idea. It violates fundamental security principles.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is a reason processes are run with their user permissions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, i'm not sure you know what you are talking about. Can you show me where in the code are we doing that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>
+&gt;<i> So you just removed the user references from the passwd and shadow file.
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+<PRE>Jehan Pag&#232;s skrev 16.9.2012 21:20:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a question. Is there a reason why the Real Time version of the
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel is always under the desktop version?
+</I>&gt;<i> I just checked and installed both the last desktop kernel and rt
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel from Cauldron here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/">ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Kernel desktop is 3.5.3 but Real Time is 3.4.9.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That's because upstream -rt project is only tracking -longterm kernels
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+so currently 3.0, 3.2 and 3.4
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+<A HREF="https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page">https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page</A>
+
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+&gt;<i> My main problem is that the support of the Wacom Intuos 5 tablet
+</I>&gt;<i> exists only since the Kernel 3.5. I just tested on Mageia 2 (normal
+</I>&gt;<i> one, I only installed the new kernels from Cauldron). It works with
+</I>&gt;<i> the desktop kernel 3.5.3, not with the 3.4.9 rt kernel.
+</I>
+Well, Mga2 will get upgraded to 3.4 longterm kernel soon, so maybe
+we should look into backporting the Intuos 5 tablet support to
+3.4 series... then I could add it to the -rt kernel too.
+
+&gt;<i> So that would be nice to support a 3.5 real time kernel in Mageia 3. :-)
+</I>
+Well, there is no decision what the release kernel for mga3 will be yet,
+but I assume something like 3.7-3.9... depending of upstream kernel.org
+releases... and no idea what version -rt will support by then....
+
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+On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:34 AM, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op maandag 17 september 2012 05:12:11 schreef Jehan Pag&#232;s:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll check later on the cinelerra mailing list if they ever plan to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> change this dependency or if they is a way to install cinelerra
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> without faad. If not, I guess Mageia will never have it. That explains
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> why it seems that cinelerra is in PLF for Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> actually, iinm, faad is not an issue, just faac is.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> faad is just patented (and is in tainted)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> faac is both patented and nonfree, and we didn't want to create 10 more
+</I>&gt;<i> repositories for just this one package...
+</I>
+I see. Just for the test, I tried to compile cinelerra without faac.
+Because when I ran configure, it went to the end, with the message
+&quot;WARNING: Mandatory components are missing; compilation may fail!&quot;.
+This warning is way less scary than usual missing dependencies so I
+tested my chance.
+But whatever, it failed anyway, as expected.
+
+So I guess we won't have cinelerra. But I realy wonder why so many
+programs are relying on a library which has such legal issues.
+Thanks.
+
+Jehan
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Jehan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; -----------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Shlomi Fish <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Stop Using MSIE - <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/no-ie/">http://www.shlomifish.org/no-ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Better be a tail for the lions, than the head of the jackals.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#8212; Pirkei Avot, 4 15
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> .
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+&gt;<i> faac is both patented and nonfree, and we didn't want to create 10 more
+</I>&gt;<i> repositories for just this one package...
+</I>And as usual, just putting it in either of the two repository would
+solve the issue instantaneously.
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+On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Jehan Pag&#232;s skrev 16.9.2012 21:20:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have a question. Is there a reason why the Real Time version of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kernel is always under the desktop version?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just checked and installed both the last desktop kernel and rt
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kernel from Cauldron here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/">ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Kernel desktop is 3.5.3 but Real Time is 3.4.9.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's because upstream -rt project is only tracking -longterm kernels
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so currently 3.0, 3.2 and 3.4
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page">https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I see. That's interesting. I have some reading to do on this wiki. :-)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My main problem is that the support of the Wacom Intuos 5 tablet
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> exists only since the Kernel 3.5. I just tested on Mageia 2 (normal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one, I only installed the new kernels from Cauldron). It works with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the desktop kernel 3.5.3, not with the 3.4.9 rt kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, Mga2 will get upgraded to 3.4 longterm kernel soon, so maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> we should look into backporting the Intuos 5 tablet support to
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.4 series... then I could add it to the -rt kernel too.
+</I>
+That would be awesome. I checked the diff of the 3.5 kernel, and
+grep-ed for intuos 5 code, there does not seem to be *that* much.
+If ever you do it, a big big thank you!
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So that would be nice to support a 3.5 real time kernel in Mageia 3. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, there is no decision what the release kernel for mga3 will be yet,
+</I>&gt;<i> but I assume something like 3.7-3.9... depending of upstream kernel.org
+</I>&gt;<i> releases... and no idea what version -rt will support by then....
+</I>
+I see. If the desktop is a 3.7, I guess the rt would be at least
+3.5... hopefully.
+
+Anyway if you were to upgrade Mga2 to 3.4 with backported Intuos 5,
+that would already be the must-of. Intuos 5 has been out for like 6
+month, and most people on most distribution probably think that there
+is still no Linux support, whereas in fact it is already pretty well
+supported!
+I am playing with it since yesterday and that all works well until now.
+
+Thanks for the answer and the information.
+
+Jehan
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> faac is both patented and nonfree, and we didn't want to create 10 more
+</I>&gt;<i> repositories for just this one package...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sorry to open the controversy again :
+that's not only for one package but for this faac package and
+- for packages strictly depending on it :
+cinelerra, handbrake, arista
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+- for packages that offer more possibilities if built on it :
+mencoder (part of mplayer) , libquicktime, vlc, gstreamer-plugins-bad,
+transcode, audiokonverter, avidemux, mythtv,
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+see <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</A>
+
+or seach in bugzilla &quot;all&quot; bugs with faac
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+needing to create flv, mp4 or aac files.
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+On 16/09/2012 19:47, Marja van Waes wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In MCC --&gt; Software Management --&gt; Configure media sources for
+</I>&gt;<i> install and update so in this screen:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/drakrpm-edit-media.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/drakrpm-edit-media.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in the menubar --&gt; options you can choose *parallel*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was originally created to enable installing packages on several
+</I>&gt;<i> systems in a network at the same time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does anyone use this option?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If so, does it *only* work with identical systems (so with the
+</I>&gt;<i> same hardware and software), or does it work as long as the systems
+</I>&gt;<i> have the same architecture and the same Mageia version?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If you don't use this option, but you do install in parallel, what do
+you use instead? Does your alternative only work on identical systems?
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+<PRE>Jehan Pag&#232;s skrev 17.9.2012 13:52:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Jehan Pag&#232;s skrev 16.9.2012 21:20:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My main problem is that the support of the Wacom Intuos 5 tablet
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> exists only since the Kernel 3.5. I just tested on Mageia 2 (normal
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> one, I only installed the new kernels from Cauldron). It works with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the desktop kernel 3.5.3, not with the 3.4.9 rt kernel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, Mga2 will get upgraded to 3.4 longterm kernel soon, so maybe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we should look into backporting the Intuos 5 tablet support to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3.4 series... then I could add it to the -rt kernel too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would be awesome. I checked the diff of the 3.5 kernel, and
+</I>&gt;<i> grep-ed for intuos 5 code, there does not seem to be *that* much.
+</I>&gt;<i> If ever you do it, a big big thank you!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hm, I just checked...
+
+Intuos 5 tablet support went in just after 3.3-rc6, so
+the release kernel 3.3.6 and the update 3.3.8 should work.
+
+So I need more info... have you tested with that kernel ?
+
+(not the -rt as that is at 3.2*)
+
+If it does not work, I need more info such as exact model and id of the
+tablet, lspcidrake -v output and so on...
+
+Anything in the logs or dmesg ?
+
+--
+
+Thomas
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+This is happening on four different types of machines.
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+I could not find a bug in bugzilla for this one -
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+<PRE>Le lundi 17 septembre 2012 14:42:24 Robert Fox a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Using Cauldron, all machines will not shutdown (using KDE) when clicking on
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;turn off computer&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I get dropped into a text screen and it hangs - only when I hit ctrl-alt-del
+</I>&gt;<i> does the shutdown process continue, but the system then reboots.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is happening on four different types of machines.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I could not find a bug in bugzilla for this one -
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anybody else?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> R.Fox
+</I>
+you don't read the ML you write in ? :)
+
+This is because kdm point to the wrong binary for shutdown. You can fix this
+yourself in kdmrc. A new rpm will land soon in cauldron.
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+Regards,
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+
+On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Jehan Pag&#232;s skrev 17.9.2012 13:52:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, Mga2 will get upgraded to 3.4 longterm kernel soon, so maybe
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we should look into backporting the Intuos 5 tablet support to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3.4 series... then I could add it to the -rt kernel too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That would be awesome. I checked the diff of the 3.5 kernel, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> grep-ed for intuos 5 code, there does not seem to be *that* much.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If ever you do it, a big big thank you!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hm, I just checked...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Intuos 5 tablet support went in just after 3.3-rc6, so
+</I>&gt;<i> the release kernel 3.3.6 and the update 3.3.8 should work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I need more info... have you tested with that kernel ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (not the -rt as that is at 3.2*)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;<i>From what I see from the commits, they happened 2012-04-04 indeed, but
+</I>the merge commit by Linus which says that Intuos 5 is supported is the
+05/24, which is *after* 3.4 release (05/20):
+<A HREF="http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Fstable%2Flinux-stable.git&amp;a=search&amp;h=HEAD&amp;st=commit&amp;s=intuos5&amp;sr=1">http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Fstable%2Flinux-stable.git&amp;a=search&amp;h=HEAD&amp;st=commit&amp;s=intuos5&amp;sr=1</A>
+
+Also if you check the patch of 3.5, it contains all the new code for
+Intuos 5 (could not find any Intuos related code in other 3.3.6/8 or
+3.4 patches): <A HREF="http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.0/patch-3.5.bz2">http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.0/patch-3.5.bz2</A>
+
+Finally for the record, I did test with the
+kernel-desktop-3.3.8-2.mga2 (the current last kernel for Mageia 2
+stable). Absolutely no support (I plug, and I can move whatever I want
+with my stylus, nothing happens). This is why I started searching for
+the support of intuos 5 on the web.
+I also tested with the kernel-rt-3.4.9-rt17.1.mga3 from Cauldron.
+Definitely no support either.
+
+Finally I tested with the kernel-desktop-3.5.3-3.mga3 from Cauldron.
+Works immediately. I plug, I move the stylus and it makes the mouse
+pointer move. Pression works fine in Gimp, buttons as well, etc.
+
+I guess that even though the commits were there before 3.4 release
+(when you search the web, some people thought it would be integrated
+in 3.4 indeed), they did not actually get integrated into a release
+before 3.5. Maybe? I don't really know how the kernel development is
+organized exactly, but I guess some commits may be retained a little
+longer out of releases?
+
+&gt;<i> If it does not work, I need more info such as exact model and id of the
+</I>&gt;<i> tablet, lspcidrake -v output and so on...
+</I>&gt;<i> Anything in the logs or dmesg ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Do you still need these info?
+Anyway, I can give them (that's an Intuos 5 M).
+
+dmesg returns:
+---------------------------
+[27505.203683] usb 1-1.2: new full-speed USB device number 5 using ehci_hcd
+[27505.283131] usb 1-1.2: New USB device found, idVendor=056a, idProduct=0027
+[27505.283141] usb 1-1.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2,
+SerialNumber=0
+[27505.283146] usb 1-1.2: Product: Intuos5 touch M
+[27505.283150] usb 1-1.2: Manufacturer: Wacom Co.,Ltd.
+[27505.285266] input: Wacom Intuos5 touch M Pen as
+/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.2/1-1.2:1.0/input/input26
+[27505.291802] input: Wacom Intuos5 touch M Finger as
+/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.2/1-1.2:1.1/input/input27
+----------------------------
+
+lsusb:
+-----------------------------
+Bus 001 Device 005: ID 056a:0027 Wacom Co., Ltd
+------------------------------
+
+lspcidrake -v does not return anything related to the wacom tablet,
+nor any usb device for that matter. The --help says the USB devices
+source is /proc/bus/usb/devices but there is nothing at this path. I
+guess that explains this, though I did not investigate more as I never
+used this command anyway.
+
+Note that these outputs have been done from my working 3.5.3 kernel.
+Maybe you wanted to get them run from the 3.4 or the 3.3.8?
+
+Anyway as I said above, it really looks like the support is only from
+3.5, so that's normal that it does not work with earlier kernels.
+Thanks for looking into this!
+
+Jehan
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On Sunday 16 September 2012 22:40, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> I'm not sure anyone has used these user accounts
+</I>&gt;<i> for the state purpose for the last decade at least.
+</I>
+How are they supposed to be used?
+I didn't know untill now that these accounts existed, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
+I'm also not sure that I'm ever going to use them. ;-)=
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 17/09/12 14:25 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sunday 16 September 2012 22:40, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not sure anyone has used these user accounts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for the state purpose for the last decade at least.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How are they supposed to be used?
+</I>
+Well according to folklore (which is about all I've got to go on here),
+before there were proper infrastructures in place to allow users to
+reboot machines, sysadmins might give &quot;trusted&quot; workstation users the
+passwords to these accounts which then let them &quot;login to reboot&quot; (I
+guess a forerunner to the &quot;Start-&gt;Shutdown&quot; oxymoron!)
+
+
+&gt;<i> I didn't know untill now that these accounts existed, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm also not sure that I'm ever going to use them. ;-)=
+</I>
+Me neither. I only saw it due to a bug report about a utility that
+checks /etc/passwd for inconsistencies and highlighted that the &quot;halt&quot;
+user could no longer access their shell /sbin/halt after I moved it to
+/usr/bin.
+
+I then found some old pages on the web regarding these accounts:
+
+<A HREF="http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=39855">http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=39855</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.redhat.com/archives/nahant-list/2007-March/msg00168.html">http://www.redhat.com/archives/nahant-list/2007-March/msg00168.html</A>
+
+That's about as much as I know. I guess my beard is not quite grey enough...
+
+
+I can easily enough leave them in place and fix up the paths, I just
+figure why bother when they are likely totally unused and/or trivial to
+add by any sysadmin if they want that kind of functionality.
+
+Col
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+Open Source:
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+&gt;<i> Revision 5909 Author fwang Date 2012-09-17 16:10:36 +0200 (Mon, 17 Sep 2012)
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+On 17/09/2012 15:12, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Monday 17 September 2012 13:51, Marja van Waes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you don't use this option, but you do install in parallel,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what do you use instead? Does your alternative only work on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> identical systems?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I use a single command line for parrallel upgrades, that can be
+</I>&gt;<i> used for parallel package installation. === ssh <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at comp1</A> -t
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/usr/sbin/urpmi --auto-update&quot; &amp;&amp; ssh <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at comp2</A> -t
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/usr/sbin/urpmi --auto-update&quot; &amp;&amp; ssh <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at comp3</A> -t
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/usr/sbin/urpmi --auto-update&quot; === If you have disabled root
+</I>&gt;<i> login, add sudo just before the urpmi command. (btw, I use ssh keys
+</I>&gt;<i> for auth and enforce &quot;without-password&quot;.) Just replace
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;--auto-update&quot; with &quot;name of package&quot; for installation. I use a
+</I>&gt;<i> similar line for managing updates on three Debian servers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ah, nice Johnny, your command line can even be used across different
+Mageia versions and arches :)
+
+Now it looks odd that I ever thought the MCC/drakrpm-edit-media
+parallel option would only work on identical systems ;)
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
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+<PRE>this file is provided in gstreamer1.0-devel package. That is why I
+proposed that *.prov should be put in individual devel packages, and
+make rpm-setup just pipe all files to *.prov.
+
+2012/9/17 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 17 September 2012 16:10, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 5909 Author fwang Date 2012-09-17 16:10:36 +0200 (Mon, 17 Sep 2012)
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 17/09/2012 15:12, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Monday 17 September 2012 13:51, Marja van Waes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If you don't use this option, but you do install in parallel,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; what do you use instead? Does your alternative only work on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; identical systems?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I use a single command line for parrallel upgrades, that can be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; used for parallel package installation. === ssh <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at comp1</A> -t
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;/usr/sbin/urpmi --auto-update&quot; &amp;&amp; ssh <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at comp2</A> -t
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;/usr/sbin/urpmi --auto-update&quot; &amp;&amp; ssh <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at comp3</A> -t
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;/usr/sbin/urpmi --auto-update&quot; === If you have disabled root
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; login, add sudo just before the urpmi command. (btw, I use ssh keys
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for auth and enforce &quot;without-password&quot;.) Just replace
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;--auto-update&quot; with &quot;name of package&quot; for installation. I use a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; similar line for managing updates on three Debian servers.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah, nice Johnny, your command line can even be used across different
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia versions and arches :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now it looks odd that I ever thought the MCC/drakrpm-edit-media
+</I>&gt;<i> parallel option would only work on identical systems ;)
+</I>
+I think urpmi-parallel is not the same. It's using ka-tools or taktuk to
+do parallel transfert of the package files on the servers.
+
+I don't know if it is still working.
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+&gt;<i> Well according to folklore (which is about all I've got to go on here),
+</I>&gt;<i> before there were proper infrastructures in place to allow users to
+</I>&gt;<i> reboot machines, sysadmins might give &quot;trusted&quot; workstation users the
+</I>&gt;<i> passwords to these accounts which then let them &quot;login to reboot&quot; (I
+</I>&gt;<i> guess a forerunner to the &quot;Start-&gt;Shutdown&quot; oxymoron!)
+</I>
+Yes - I seem to remember that V7 and also 4.1, 4.2 BSD shipped with
+several such pseudo-users, although they may've been a local addition at
+the university where I used them in the early 1980s.
+
+They are good for environments with users you don't trust but who have
+to be able to do specific admin tasks... but they could for sure be
+added locally in those environments.
+
+Of course, if you have a university with 5,000 workstations, it'd be
+nice not to have to make changes to each of them... but, it's likely
+that changes are already made, and if one of them is to enable NIS then
+you can add the pseudo-users globally anyway.
+
+Every account is a potential break-in vector, however unlikely, so it
+seems better not to ship with them.
+
+Liam
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+On 17/09/2012 17:15, nicolas vigier wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Marja van Waes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 17/09/2012 15:12, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I use a single command line for parrallel upgrades, that can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be used for parallel package installation. === ssh <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at comp1</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -t &quot;/usr/sbin/urpmi --auto-update&quot; &amp;&amp; ssh <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at comp2</A> -t
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;/usr/sbin/urpmi --auto-update&quot; &amp;&amp; ssh <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at comp3</A> -t
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;/usr/sbin/urpmi --auto-update&quot; === If you have disabled root
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> login, add sudo just before the urpmi command. (btw, I use ssh
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> keys for auth and enforce &quot;without-password&quot;.) Just replace
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;--auto-update&quot; with &quot;name of package&quot; for installation.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> Ah, nice Johnny, your command line can even be used across
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> different Mageia versions and arches :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now it looks odd that I ever thought the MCC/drakrpm-edit-media
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> parallel option would only work on identical systems ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think urpmi-parallel is not the same. It's using ka-tools or
+</I>&gt;<i> taktuk to do parallel transfert of the package files on the
+</I>&gt;<i> servers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know if it is still working.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks, Nicolas.
+
+I remember having seen a choice between ka-run and ssh, when I looked
+at the tool.
+
+ka-tools has been obsoleted after Mdv 2007, or am I wrong about that?
+
+On 17/09/2012 16:43, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> If one have many systems, one can use a shellscript with one ssh
+</I>&gt;<i> command on each line.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The advantage of using urpmi's &quot;--parallel&quot; option is that the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;--parallel&quot; option only downloads one file that are distributed
+</I>&gt;<i> to the nodes, whereas my command will download three copies, one on
+</I>&gt;<i> each machine. So unless one have a local mirror or use an urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> proxy, my command example will download three copies of each
+</I>&gt;<i> updated package over the internet connection.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks, Johnny :)
+
+It would be nice, in case we're going to have an educational DVD
+somewhere in the future, to know whether this MCC option would be an
+appropriate tool for people in charge of some school computers to
+maintain them.
+
+So there is this tool, and there is urpmi --parallel and
+drakrpm-edit-media --parallel=alias,host (be in parallel mode, use
+&quot;alias&quot; group, use &quot;host&quot; machine to show needed deps)
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+&gt;<i> Le 16/09/2012 23:34, AL13N a &#233;crit :
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+<PRE>tv &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> Name : drakx-installer-images Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.83 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3.nonfree Build Date: Mon Sep 17 20:52:24 2012
+</I>
+[...]
+
+&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 1.83-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 295551
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix modules.order so that cciss got detected (mga#5833)
+</I>&gt;<i> - use new hotplug (mga#6323)
+</I>
+You are duplicating (with full knowledge it seems) the /sbin/hotplug
+script written by make_boot_img. As you noticed, it relied on /bin/sh.
+The shell used to be provided not only for KA, but also to provide a
+convenience shell in stage1.
+Couldn't we add a shell back?
+
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+this line was set by drakconf a while ago (clicking on local disk -&gt;
+dvdrom etc..)
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+/dev/sr0 /media/cdrombot auto
+umask=0,users,iocharset=utf8,noauto,ro,exec 0 0
+
+but since a few days, mounting sr0 now fails with:
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+mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0,
+ missing codepage or helper program, or other error
+ In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
+ dmesg | tail or so
+
+If I remove the option &quot;umask=0&quot;, everything works fine again. It looks
+like umask=0 is no longer accepted??? Anyone aware of this, or this is
+a bug in mount?
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+<PRE>On 17 September 2012 21:37, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 1.83-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 295551
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix modules.order so that cciss got detected (mga#5833)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - use new hotplug (mga#6323)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You are duplicating (with full knowledge it seems) the /sbin/hotplug
+</I>&gt;<i> script written by make_boot_img. As you noticed, it relied on /bin/sh.
+</I>&gt;<i> The shell used to be provided not only for KA, but also to provide a
+</I>&gt;<i> convenience shell in stage1.
+</I>&gt;<i> Couldn't we add a shell back?
+</I>
+For years, we only add this shell if DEBUGSTAGE1 was set.
+This is still the case
+Then for a couple years, stage1 got bloated with KA stuff including busybox
+(and thus a shell) by Antoine.
+
+We're just back at prior state.
+If you need to debug, you can still rebuild stage1 package with the debug
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Liam R E Quin at 17/09/12 17:23 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 14:56 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well according to folklore (which is about all I've got to go on here),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before there were proper infrastructures in place to allow users to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reboot machines, sysadmins might give &quot;trusted&quot; workstation users the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> passwords to these accounts which then let them &quot;login to reboot&quot; (I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> guess a forerunner to the &quot;Start-&gt;Shutdown&quot; oxymoron!)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes - I seem to remember that V7 and also 4.1, 4.2 BSD shipped with
+</I>&gt;<i> several such pseudo-users, although they may've been a local addition at
+</I>&gt;<i> the university where I used them in the early 1980s.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They are good for environments with users you don't trust but who have
+</I>&gt;<i> to be able to do specific admin tasks... but they could for sure be
+</I>&gt;<i> added locally in those environments.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, if you have a university with 5,000 workstations, it'd be
+</I>&gt;<i> nice not to have to make changes to each of them... but, it's likely
+</I>&gt;<i> that changes are already made, and if one of them is to enable NIS then
+</I>&gt;<i> you can add the pseudo-users globally anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Every account is a potential break-in vector, however unlikely, so it
+</I>&gt;<i> seems better not to ship with them.
+</I>
+Yup, rolling out changes to large numbers of workstations would be done
+via something like puppet these days anyway, so creating user accounts
+en-mass even if they are not shipped by default should be pretty trivial.
+
+I think that's enough consensus to drop them.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
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+&gt;<i> Some requested packages cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> jarjar-1.0-5.mga3.noarch (in order to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> jarjar-maven2-plugin-1.0-4.mga1.noarch)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mount1-2.22-4.mga3.x86_64 (in order to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> util-linux-2.21.2-3.mga3.x86_64)
+</I>&gt;<i> util-linux-2.22-4.mga3.x86_64 (in order to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> nspluginwrapper-i386-1.4.4-1.mga2.x86_64)
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...for several days now (i. e. not mirror lag).
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html</A>
+
+Tells you all the packages that cannot be installed in the current Cauldron.
+
+for example, nspluginwrapper, mediawiki, eclipse or razorqt, ...
+
+Cheers,
+--
+Malo
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Tells you all the packages that cannot be installed in the current
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron.
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+</I>&gt;<i> for example, nspluginwrapper, mediawiki, eclipse or razorqt, ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks for the link.
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+Due to personal constraints, I will not be able to organize meetings on
+wednesday anymore. So either somebody does it or we can move it to
+tuesday, same hour.
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+Comments ?
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+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+I'm in favour of moving it. Then I'll be able to participate.
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+Currently it collides with real life events on every other wedensday, and Security Now on TWiT
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+ <B>Guillaume Rousse</B>
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+&gt;<i> After some test, here is the proposal for ruby 1.9:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * arch-dependent .so files will be put into %{ruby_archdir}
+</I>&gt;<i> (%{_libdir}/ruby). No version prefix or suffix, as we are only
+</I>&gt;<i> providing one flavor of ruby.
+</I>&gt;<i> * arch-independent .rb files will be put into %{ruby_libdir} (%{_datadir}/ruby)
+</I>&gt;<i> * ruby only produces ruby, libruby, ruby-devel and ruby-doc sub
+</I>&gt;<i> packages, rubygems will be deleted from main package, to be singled
+</I>&gt;<i> out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If there is no any negative opinion, I'll be pushing it into
+</I>&gt;<i> core/release in a few days.
+</I>The earlier, the better, as some ruby package in core/release have
+already been contaminated:
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+installing ruby-rspec-mocks-2.6.0-1.mga3.noarch.rpm
+ruby-rspec-2.11.0-1.mga3.noarch.rpm
+ruby-rspec-core-2.11.1-1.mga3.noarch.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+Installation failed:
+ ruby(abi) = 1.9 is needed by ruby-rspec-2.11.0-1.mga3.noarch
+
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Due to personal constraints, I will not be able to organize meetings on
+</I>&gt;<i> wednesday anymore. So either somebody does it or we can move it to
+</I>&gt;<i> tuesday, same hour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comments ?
+</I>
+We can move it starting next week and have someone fill for you
+(guillomovitch? coling? tmb?) tomorrow.
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+Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Due to personal constraints, I will not be able to organize meetings
+</I>&gt;<i> on wednesday anymore. So either somebody does it or we can move it to
+</I>&gt;<i> tuesday, same hour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comments ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Moving them is fine by me. :-)
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
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+</I>&gt;<i> Due to personal constraints, I will not be able to organize meetings on
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pierre-malo.denielou at rhul.ac.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Some requested packages cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> jarjar-1.0-5.mga3.noarch (in order to keep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> jarjar-maven2-plugin-1.0-4.mga1.noarch)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mount1-2.22-4.mga3.x86_64 (in order to keep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> util-linux-2.21.2-3.mga3.x86_64)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> util-linux-2.22-4.mga3.x86_64 (in order to keep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nspluginwrapper-i386-1.4.4-1.mga2.x86_64)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...for several days now (i. e. not mirror lag).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tells you all the packages that cannot be installed in the current Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for example, nspluginwrapper, mediawiki, eclipse or razorqt, ...
+</I>
+For utiil-linux, it's not a matter of rebuilding nspluginwrapper but a matter
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+</I>&gt;<i> Yes it may be better.
+</I>&gt;<i> _Then_, we'll need to update
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/rpmdrake/trunk/Rpmdrake/icon.pm?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/rpmdrake/trunk/Rpmdrake/icon.pm?view=markup</A>
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+&gt;<i> oden &lt;oden&gt; 1.1.27-1.mga3:
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+So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for
+final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we
+need to take some decisions.
+
+Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments
+and review about Mageia on the web.
+
+- provide a full open source software version
+- provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having
+low band-width or paying depending how much they use it)
+- provide live version(s)
+- decrease isos number. QA is just a hell on the set we had for Mageia 2
+- provide localization as large as possible
+- provide isos including major drivers including proprietary one to make
+it easier to install and configure
+
+Keep in mind that what you want is not necessarily what another one
+want. So let start proposals here and discussion. Please add all
+explanations to your proposal.
+
+Let say we take one week on this so until 26/09 then we will make a
+final proposal
+
+Cheers
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for
+</I>&gt;<i> final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we
+</I>&gt;<i> need to take some decisions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments
+</I>&gt;<i> and review about Mageia on the web.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide a full open source software version
+</I>
+Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox &quot;install
+optional proprietary software&quot; in the installer.
+
+&gt;<i> - provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having
+</I>&gt;<i> low band-width or paying depending how much they use it)
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide live version(s)
+</I>
+IMHO you could simply go for CD == live (and installable).
+
+Regards
+
+Antoine.
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+<PRE>On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for final
+</I>&gt;<i> release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we need to take
+</I>&gt;<i> some decisions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments and
+</I>&gt;<i> review about Mageia on the web.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide a full open source software version
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having low
+</I>&gt;<i> band-width or paying depending how much they use it)
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide live version(s)
+</I>&gt;<i> - decrease isos number. QA is just a hell on the set we had for Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide localization as large as possible
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide isos including major drivers including proprietary one to make it
+</I>&gt;<i> easier to install and configure
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Keep in mind that what you want is not necessarily what another one want. So
+</I>&gt;<i> let start proposals here and discussion. Please add all explanations to your
+</I>&gt;<i> proposal.
+</I>
+I would vote for
+- Live DVDs (1 per arch)
+- dual arch free CD
+- dual arch nonfree CD
+
+maybe we can replace the dual-arch CDs by enlarged boot.iso, need to
+send more about it :)
+
+I know machines with CD and not DVD still exist but I believe than in
+&gt;<i> 99% of the cases they are either a server or an old machine which
+</I>will probably have a hard time running a recent KDE or GNOME
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:40:27 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> need to take some decisions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and review about Mageia on the web.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide a full open source software version
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox &quot;install
+</I>&gt;<i> optional proprietary software&quot; in the installer.
+</I>
+This allows for example magazines to distribute it
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> - provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> low band-width or paying depending how much they use it)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide live version(s)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO you could simply go for CD == live (and installable).
+</I>
+But we have a huge amount of live CDs currently because you can't fit
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+<PRE>Anne Nicolas skrev 19.9.2012 10:40:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for
+</I>&gt;<i> final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we
+</I>&gt;<i> need to take some decisions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments
+</I>&gt;<i> and review about Mageia on the web.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide a full open source software version
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having
+</I>&gt;<i> low band-width or paying depending how much they use it)
+</I>
+&gt;<i> - provide live version(s)
+</I>
+I'd suggest for livecds:
+2 liveCDs:
+- 1 GNOME 700M i586 - english only - for FOSDEM &amp; co
+- 1 KDE 700M i586 - english only - for FOSDEM &amp; co
+4 liveDVDs:
+- 1 GNOME DVD i586 - all locales-*
+- 1 GNOME DVD x86_64 - all locales-*
+- 1 KDE DVD i586 - all locales-*
+- 1 KDE DVD x86_64 - all locales-*
+
+Question...
+do we need to provide XFCE (or LXDE) for those that does not like
+the GNOME/KDE bloat (and &quot;phone/pad&quot; gui) ?
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+&gt;<i> - decrease isos number. QA is just a hell on the set we had for Mageia 2
+</I>
+Doing 2 livecds &amp; 4 livecds would drop live isos from 16 -&gt; 6
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+&gt;<i> - provide localization as large as possible
+</I>
+liveDVDs would carry all langs...
+Install DVDs already carry most (all?) langs
+
+&gt;<i> - provide isos including major drivers including proprietary one to make
+</I>&gt;<i> it easier to install and configure
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+liveCDs/DVDs already does...
+
+for &quot;normal install&quot; DVDs I guess we need to add nonfree firmwares
+to the isos in separate media with an option to enable/use them in
+the install phase as some hw need it to actually work.
+(IIRC tv had something like this in progress)
+
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+&gt;<i> Keep in mind that what you want is not necessarily what another one
+</I>&gt;<i> want. So let start proposals here and discussion. Please add all
+</I>&gt;<i> explanations to your proposal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let say we take one week on this so until 26/09 then we will make a
+</I>&gt;<i> final proposal
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Am 19.09.2012 09:40, schrieb Anne Nicolas:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for
+</I>&gt;<i> final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we
+</I>&gt;<i> need to take some decisions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments
+</I>&gt;<i> and review about Mageia on the web.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide a full open source software version
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having
+</I>&gt;<i> low band-width or paying depending how much they use it)
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide live version(s)
+</I>&gt;<i> - decrease isos number. QA is just a hell on the set we had for Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide localization as large as possible
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide isos including major drivers including proprietary one to make
+</I>&gt;<i> it easier to install and configure
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Here is my proposal:
+2 DVDs (32 and 64 bit)
+2 LiveCDs KDE (32/64 bit)
+2 LiveCDs GNOME (32/64 bit)
+2 USB KDE (32/64 bit) ~1GB large (same as LiveCDs but with all languages)
+2 USB GNOME (32/64 bit) ~1GB large (same as LiveCDs but with all languages)
+1 dual arch CD
+-------
+11 ISOs instead of 19 (the current state)
+
+Explanation:
+Only 2 LiveCDs per DE: Just put the most used languages or maybe only
+English on it. LiveCDs are usefull to check if everything is supported
+and bugfree or as a rescue system. This can be done with english as
+well. If you install the LiveCD a language selection could be used to
+download the preferred language.
+
+4 USB Images:
+Nearly the same as the LiveCDs but as an USB-Image. So we are more
+flexible with the size of the ISOs. I guess ~1GB is usefull, as you can
+put all languages on it but is still small enough for a quick download
+or for restricted bandwidth ...
+
+2 DVDs as it it now
+
+If we try to focus on USB-Images, we may get rid of the 64bit LiveCD Images.
+
+Regards,
+Thorsten
+
+&gt;<i> Keep in mind that what you want is not necessarily what another one
+</I>&gt;<i> want. So let start proposals here and discussion. Please add all
+</I>&gt;<i> explanations to your proposal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let say we take one week on this so until 26/09 then we will make a
+</I>&gt;<i> final proposal
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>19.09.2012 10:40, Anne Nicolas kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for
+</I>&gt;<i> final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we
+</I>&gt;<i> need to take some decisions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments
+</I>&gt;<i> and review about Mageia on the web.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide a full open source software version
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having
+</I>&gt;<i> low band-width or paying depending how much they use it)
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide live version(s)
+</I>&gt;<i> - decrease isos number. QA is just a hell on the set we had for Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide localization as large as possible
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide isos including major drivers including proprietary one to
+</I>&gt;<i> make it easier to install and configure
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Keep in mind that what you want is not necessarily what another one
+</I>&gt;<i> want. So let start proposals here and discussion. Please add all
+</I>&gt;<i> explanations to your proposal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let say we take one week on this so until 26/09 then we will make a
+</I>&gt;<i> final proposal
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>My proposal:
+
+dual and DVDs - as they are today.
+32-bit LiveCD-s as they are today.
+Replace 64-bit LiveCDs with two LiveDVDs (KDE and GNOME versions) which
+contain all languages.
+
+I think 32-bit LiveCDs are still needed as they will be used by those
+users who don't have computer that can read DVDs and when the CD is in
+english it will be really hard for them localize their system after
+installing.
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+I've submitted a spec file for rakudo in #7385, can someone package it
+before Mageia 3 release? I think it's a important package, it just needs
+to be built on a Cauldron box, I don't have one for now.
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+ &gt;
+ &gt; I've submitted a spec file for rakudo in #7385, can someone package it
+ &gt; before Mageia 3 release? I think it's a important package, it just needs
+
+Well, if it's important, I guess it should have a maintainer...
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+ &gt; to be built on a Cauldron box, I don't have one for now.
+
+So set up a VM in virtualbox or KVM or XEN or...
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+ &gt; Thanks for your help!
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2012 10:55, Oden Eriksson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello people.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Someone was wondering why i added autogen.sh in libxslt. There is a reason for
+</I>&gt;<i> this after long time maintaining open source softwares. See it as a &quot;last
+</I>&gt;<i> known good&quot; way of using the autopoo stuff as done upstream.
+</I>Just because you never understood autoconf is not an excuse to use such
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+</I>&gt;<i> fi&quot; should ever fail in libxslt use the provided autogen.sh file. These files
+</I>&gt;<i> tends to disappear or be moved to the upstream release managers private hard
+</I>&gt;<i> drive only, or something like that. It's simply wise to keep autogen.sh for
+</I>&gt;<i> ourselves for reference. If you don't need to use it, fine, but keep it.
+</I>Those dedicated scripts disappear because they are now obsoletes in
+favor of a generic solution maintained upstream. You'd better find an
+actual case where using the standard tool fails, whereas using such kind
+of ad-hoc wrapper works, before bloating packages with useless hacks.
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+BTW, libxslt builds perfectly without ever regenerating the build system...
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Due to personal constraints, I will not be able to organize meetings on
+</I>&gt;<i> wednesday anymore. So either somebody does it or we can move it to
+</I>&gt;<i> tuesday, same hour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comments ?
+</I>
+Tuesdays are generally better for me, so from a purely selfish
+perspective, I'd prefer the move to Tuesday :)
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Antoine Pitrou at 19/09/12 09:11 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:40:27 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> need to take some decisions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and review about Mageia on the web.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide a full open source software version
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox &quot;install
+</I>&gt;<i> optional proprietary software&quot; in the installer.
+</I>
+I would personally prefer this too. That said, having a separate
+repository on the media itself is almost the same as having two iso's
+with different package selections (where one is a subset of the other),
+so in terms of QA, it's about the same (less downloading but the same
+number of installs).
+
+Still probably a net positive tho'.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> - provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> low band-width or paying depending how much they use it)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide live version(s)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO you could simply go for CD == live (and installable).
+</I>
+Perhaps, but the &quot;live version(s)&quot; did not necessarily specify a CD...
+it could well have been a Live DVD. So I guess that's a question to
+answer, should the live media be CD sized? (and I don't want to suggest
+for a second that it would be worth providing both!)
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
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+Open Source:
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+<PRE>onsdagen den 19 september 2012 12.34.46 skrev Guillaume Rousse:
+&gt;<i> Le 19/09/2012 10:55, Oden Eriksson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello people.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Someone was wondering why i added autogen.sh in libxslt. There is a reason
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for this after long time maintaining open source softwares. See it as a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;last known good&quot; way of using the autopoo stuff as done upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just because you never understood autoconf is not an excuse to use such
+</I>&gt;<i> kind of derogative comments.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If &quot;autoreconf -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fi&quot; should ever fail in libxslt use the provided autogen.sh file. These
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; files tends to disappear or be moved to the upstream release managers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; private hard drive only, or something like that. It's simply wise to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; autogen.sh for ourselves for reference. If you don't need to use it,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fine, but keep it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Those dedicated scripts disappear because they are now obsoletes in
+</I>&gt;<i> favor of a generic solution maintained upstream. You'd better find an
+</I>&gt;<i> actual case where using the standard tool fails, whereas using such kind
+</I>&gt;<i> of ad-hoc wrapper works, before bloating packages with useless hacks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, libxslt builds perfectly without ever regenerating the build system...
+</I>
+Funny... An ignorant, patronizing and belittling responce is what I get on my
+first ever mail here. I really don't have time with this childish crap.
+
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+--
+Regards // Oden Eriksson
+Security team manager - Mandriva
+CEO NUX AB
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Oden Eriksson at 19/09/12 09:55 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hello people.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Someone was wondering why i added autogen.sh in libxslt. There is a reason for
+</I>&gt;<i> this after long time maintaining open source softwares. See it as a &quot;last
+</I>&gt;<i> known good&quot; way of using the autopoo stuff as done upstream. If &quot;autoreconf -
+</I>&gt;<i> fi&quot; should ever fail in libxslt use the provided autogen.sh file. These files
+</I>&gt;<i> tends to disappear or be moved to the upstream release managers private hard
+</I>&gt;<i> drive only, or something like that. It's simply wise to keep autogen.sh for
+</I>&gt;<i> ourselves for reference. If you don't need to use it, fine, but keep it.
+</I>
+autogen.sh or bootstrap.sh and similar scripts are usually in upstream
+SCM repositories but simply are often marked as NODIST or similar such
+that they do not make it into tarballs (that's not always the case - it
+varies from project to project).
+
+They are typically just wrappers around various auto* stuff, but 9 times
+out of 10 if you change some of the .am or .in files in patches, you
+don't need to redo the full bootstrap process, it's often just a matter
+of calling autoreconf or similar.
+
+But this is also only needed if:
+ 1. We apply patches that touch some of the .am/.in files.
+ or
+ 2. The system on which &quot;make dist&quot; was run is somehow very broken and
+doesn't play nice with our environment (quite rare)
+
+I don't see either being true in the libxslt case so I wonder why
+autogen.sh is needed to make it build?
+
+Col
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2012 12:10, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Sandro CAZZANIGA skrev 19.9.2012 12:45:&gt; Hi guys,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've submitted a spec file for rakudo in #7385, can someone package it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before Mageia 3 release? I think it's a important package, it just needs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, if it's important, I guess it should have a maintainer...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to be built on a Cauldron box, I don't have one for now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So set up a VM in virtualbox or KVM or XEN or...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for your help!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>Can't mount a VM on this computer, no enought ressources...
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/12 10:17, Pascal Terjan a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for final
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we need to take
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some decisions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> review about Mageia on the web.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide a full open source software version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having low
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> band-width or paying depending how much they use it)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide live version(s)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - decrease isos number. QA is just a hell on the set we had for Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide localization as large as possible
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide isos including major drivers including proprietary one to make it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> easier to install and configure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Keep in mind that what you want is not necessarily what another one want. So
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> let start proposals here and discussion. Please add all explanations to your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proposal.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would vote for
+</I>&gt;<i> - Live DVDs (1 per arch)
+</I>&gt;<i> - dual arch free CD
+</I>&gt;<i> - dual arch nonfree CD
+</I>that seems good :)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe we can replace the dual-arch CDs by enlarged boot.iso, need to
+</I>&gt;<i> send more about it :)
+</I>it may be as problematic as boot.iso for people with bad connections. I
+personally prefer a CD that brings correctly the base system than rely
+on my connection and finish with an installation without rpm (as it did
+once).
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+Claire
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2012 12:10, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Sandro CAZZANIGA skrev 19.9.2012 12:45:&gt; Hi guys,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've submitted a spec file for rakudo in #7385, can someone package it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before Mageia 3 release? I think it's a important package, it just needs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, if it's important, I guess it should have a maintainer...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to be built on a Cauldron box, I don't have one for now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So set up a VM in virtualbox or KVM or XEN or...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for your help!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>
+It's good thomas, thanks :)
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+&gt;<i> boot.iso for people with bad connections.
+</I>
+I always use boot.iso when installing, as I install over the network. Then I don't have to remember to remove the CD/DVDs as available repos.
+The only time I use DVDs for installation, is when I'm installing for other people, either here at my place or at their places.
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+ <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B>
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+<PRE>Hello all,
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+I as looking into the mageia svn and seen that we didn't import msec at
+the time of the fork. Is there any reason for that?
+If not, I think we have to import this excellent software in our SVN to
+give it love and attention.
+Does someone wants to work on it specifically? It's mostly written in
+Python.
+What do you think?
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox &quot;install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> optional proprietary software&quot; in the installer.
+</I>&gt;<i> This allows for example magazines to distribute it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Then put the nonfree and tainted stuff on a separate non-installable
+CD/DVD containing only those packages, and have the installer provide an
+option to use either that or a network-location nonfree/tainted. The
+magazine can distribute the base DVD, and those who want nonfree/tainted
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+<PRE>On Wed, 19 Sep 2012, Sandro CAZZANIGA wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I as looking into the mageia svn and seen that we didn't import msec at
+</I>&gt;<i> the time of the fork. Is there any reason for that?
+</I>
+Because there is no need to import it when nobody plans to make
+significant changes on it. If somebody wants to work on it, they can
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2012 15:25, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012, Sandro CAZZANIGA wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I as looking into the mageia svn and seen that we didn't import msec at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the time of the fork. Is there any reason for that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because there is no need to import it when nobody plans to make
+</I>&gt;<i> significant changes on it. If somebody wants to work on it, they can
+</I>&gt;<i> import it at that time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ok, but it seems that nobody still maintain it, the last commit is from
+Nicolas L., ten months ago...
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+&gt;<i> Because there is no need to import it when nobody plans to make
+</I>&gt;<i> significant changes on it.
+</I>
+Then how do you rebuild it if it's not in the svn repo?
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+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 19 September 2012 15:25, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Because there is no need to import it when nobody plans to make
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; significant changes on it.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Then how do you rebuild it if it's not in the svn repo?
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2012 15:28, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 19 septembre 2012 14:27:44 Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wednesday 19 September 2012 15:25, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Because there is no need to import it when nobody plans to make
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> significant changes on it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then how do you rebuild it if it's not in the svn repo?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> using existing tarball ?
+</I>
+Yep, like for all others softwares that mageia don't develop :)
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 19 September 2012 15:28, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Then how do you rebuild it if it's not in the svn repo?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> using existing tarball ?
+</I>
+My point exactly.
+From where does the tarball come if it's not in our svn repo?
+
+According to mgarepo it is in the svn repo, so I'm not sure how someone came to the conclusion that it's not imported into the svn.
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2012 15:33, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 19 September 2012 15:28, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Then how do you rebuild it if it's not in the svn repo?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using existing tarball ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My point exactly.
+</I>&gt;<i> From where does the tarball come if it's not in our svn repo?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> According to mgarepo it is in the svn repo, so I'm not sure how someone came to the conclusion that it's not imported into the svn.
+</I>You're confusing the package and the software: the msec package is in
+the repository, in the package branch, the msec source tree is not.
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+&gt;<i> You're confusing the package and the software: the msec package is in
+</I>&gt;<i> the repository, in the package branch, the msec source tree is not.
+</I>
+And I think here you lost a few of us. :-)=
+What is the difference between these two? (I didn't know there was one)
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2012 15:39, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 19 September 2012 15:35, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You're confusing the package and the software: the msec package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is in the repository, in the package branch, the msec source
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tree is not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And I think here you lost a few of us. :-)= What is the difference
+</I>&gt;<i> between these two? (I didn't know there was one)
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox &quot;install
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2012 15:04, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 19 September 2012 14:23, Claire Revillet wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> boot.iso for people with bad connections.
+</I>&gt;<i> I always use boot.iso when installing, as I install over the network. Then I don't have to remember to remove the CD/DVDs as available repos.
+</I>&gt;<i> The only time I use DVDs for installation, is when I'm installing for other people, either here at my place or at their places.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I don't understand the relation between my point and yours.
+My point is that with a bad connection (like mine and i'm not living in
+the worse country concerning internet acces) boot.iso is not safe so we
+should continue providing dual-cd.
+Dual-cd can make a complete base installation safely and is less to
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+&gt;<i> 2012/9/19 Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox &quot;install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> optional proprietary software&quot; in the installer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This allows for example magazines to distribute it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are paper magazines still relevant here? (true question)
+</I>
+Yes, they are an important distribution method. Additionally there
+will be reviews/articles accompanying the cover DVDs. Don't forget,
+this is cost free advertizing!
+
+My view:
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+ - Free DVD (32/64) with a proper installer - distributing only live
+media is a bad habit of some distributors, let's make a difference
+there! As we have support of the idea of free software written in our
+values we should stick to that. In addition to that we could include
+non-free firmware in a part of the DVD, to be activated in the
+installer (opt-in).
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+ - 4 life ISOs (Gnome &amp; KDE, 32 &amp; 64) for USB sticks (up to 1GB), they
+work for all kinds of machines, even such without optical drives. The
+additional space would be enough to include all langs.
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+ - boot.iso, this is done anyway, so it's no extra work
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+--
+wobo
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+&gt;<i> 2012/9/19 Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/9/19 Pascal Terjan&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox &quot;install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> optional proprietary software&quot; in the installer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This allows for example magazines to distribute it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Are paper magazines still relevant here? (true question)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, they are an important distribution method. Additionally there
+</I>&gt;<i> will be reviews/articles accompanying the cover DVDs. Don't forget,
+</I>&gt;<i> this is cost free advertizing!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My view:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Free DVD (32/64) with a proper installer - distributing only live
+</I>&gt;<i> media is a bad habit of some distributors, let's make a difference
+</I>&gt;<i> there! As we have support of the idea of free software written in our
+</I>&gt;<i> values we should stick to that. In addition to that we could include
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free firmware in a part of the DVD, to be activated in the
+</I>&gt;<i> installer (opt-in).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - 4 life ISOs (Gnome&amp; KDE, 32&amp; 64) for USB sticks (up to 1GB), they
+</I>&gt;<i> work for all kinds of machines, even such without optical drives. The
+</I>&gt;<i> additional space would be enough to include all langs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - boot.iso, this is done anyway, so it's no extra work
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Looks very similar to my proposal, doesn't it? :)
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+Greetings,
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+&gt;<i> Am 19.09.2012 16:53, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/9/19 Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/9/19 Pascal Terjan&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox &quot;install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> optional proprietary software&quot; in the installer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This allows for example magazines to distribute it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Are paper magazines still relevant here? (true question)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, they are an important distribution method. Additionally there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will be reviews/articles accompanying the cover DVDs. Don't forget,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this is cost free advertizing!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My view:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Free DVD (32/64) with a proper installer - distributing only live
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> media is a bad habit of some distributors, let's make a difference
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there! As we have support of the idea of free software written in our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> values we should stick to that. In addition to that we could include
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-free firmware in a part of the DVD, to be activated in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installer (opt-in).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - 4 life ISOs (Gnome&amp; KDE, 32&amp; 64) for USB sticks (up to 1GB), they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work for all kinds of machines, even such without optical drives. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> additional space would be enough to include all langs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - boot.iso, this is done anyway, so it's no extra work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>r
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks very similar to my proposal, doesn't it? :)
+</I>
+Yes, I took the proposal of the 4 life isos from your mail, but only
+to make my view complete. My main concern is the reasoning in favor of
+the Free DVD.
+
+--
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+Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would vote for
+</I>&gt;<i> - Live DVDs (1 per arch)
+</I>&gt;<i> - dual arch free CD
+</I>&gt;<i> - dual arch nonfree CD
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe we can replace the dual-arch CDs by enlarged boot.iso, need to
+</I>&gt;<i> send more about it :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know machines with CD and not DVD still exist but I believe than in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 99% of the cases they are either a server or an old machine which
+</I>&gt;<i> will probably have a hard time running a recent KDE or GNOME
+</I>
+So, for the record, as a user the reason I prefer CD images is not
+that I don't have a DVD reader (I do have one) but simply that CD
+images are much smaller to download and keep around.
+
+Just my two overrated cents of course ;-)
+
+Regards
+
+Antoine.
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+My laptop uses fstab lines to mount directories on the old server and
+also on a QNAS box. I've no idea what version of Linux is running on
+the QNAS, but the mounts are working there. The old server is running
+Mageia 2, and mount to that don't work.
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+Working line example:
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+192.168.0.200:/DataFromBorg2 /mnt/QNAS-Borg2-Data nfs user,timeo=14 0 0
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+Non-working (M2) example:
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+192.168.0.40:/Data1 /mnt/borg2_Data1 nfs
+user,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,nosuid,soft 0 0
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+Note that I initially wrote it the same way as the QNAS line, and
+reverted to this older style when I found that didn't work.
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+mount -a gives
+mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
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+If I forget and click on the mount point in Dolphin I get
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+&quot;An error occurred while accessing 'Data1 on 192.168.0.40', the system
+responded: mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not
+supported&quot;
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+Is this <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6541?">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6541?</A> And is there
+anything I can do to improve matters?
+
+Anne
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+On 19/09/12 15:53, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Are paper magazines still relevant here? (true question)
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, they are an important distribution method. Additionally there
+</I>&gt;<i> will be reviews/articles accompanying the cover DVDs. Don't
+</I>&gt;<i> forget, this is cost free advertizing!
+</I>
+Interestingly, one of the leading UK computer magazines has just
+stopped including cover media. The reviews are still there, as is the
+&quot;What's on this month's disk&quot;, but the disk is downloadable.
+
+It's too early to know whether this is the start of a trend, but my
+personal reaction is &quot;one less to send to the tip each month&quot;. We've
+seen the move away from disks in plastic folders replaced by cardboard
+sleeves. It does seem likely that this will be the next step.
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2012 19:46, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> My laptop uses fstab lines to mount directories on the old server and
+</I>&gt;<i> also on a QNAS box. I've no idea what version of Linux is running on
+</I>&gt;<i> the QNAS, but the mounts are working there. The old server is running
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 2, and mount to that don't work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Working line example:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 192.168.0.200:/DataFromBorg2 /mnt/QNAS-Borg2-Data nfs user,timeo=14 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Non-working (M2) example:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 192.168.0.40:/Data1 /mnt/borg2_Data1 nfs
+</I>&gt;<i> user,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,nosuid,soft 0 0
+</I>First, your are clearly not mounting the same path (/DataFromBorg2 vs
+/Data1), so your comparaison is quite biased.
+
+Second, you'd rather use mount command, than hardcoded entries in
+/etc/fstab entries, to debug the issues. You'll get much more input.
+
+Third, you'd rather avoid useless options such as
+rsize and wsize, unless you know what you're doing.
+
+&gt;<i> Note that I initially wrote it the same way as the QNAS line, and
+</I>&gt;<i> reverted to this older style when I found that didn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mount -a gives
+</I>&gt;<i> mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I forget and click on the mount point in Dolphin I get
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;An error occurred while accessing 'Data1 on 192.168.0.40', the system
+</I>&gt;<i> responded: mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not
+</I>&gt;<i> supported&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6541?">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6541?</A> And is there
+</I>&gt;<i> anything I can do to improve matters?
+</I>According to the error message, you have probably a version negotiation
+issue between your client and your server. Add -d option to rpc.mountd
+(RPCMOUNTDOPTS variable in /etc/sysconfig/nfs) on server side, and -v
+option to mount.nfs on client side to get more verbose error reporting.
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+ <B>AL13N</B>
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 19 september 2012 11:31:13 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+&gt;<i> I'd suggest for livecds:
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 liveCDs:
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 GNOME 700M i586 - english only - for FOSDEM &amp; co
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 KDE 700M i586 - english only - for FOSDEM &amp; co
+</I>&gt;<i> 4 liveDVDs:
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 GNOME DVD i586 - all locales-*
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 GNOME DVD x86_64 - all locales-*
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 KDE DVD i586 - all locales-*
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 KDE DVD x86_64 - all locales-*
+</I>
+i like your proposal the best, but with small addendum:
+
+no QA: (but often tested, so this works out ok) (autogenerated?)
+2 - boot (32/64)
+2 - boot nonfree (32/64)
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+install:
+1 - dual arch CD nonfree
+2 - DVD installer with nonfree option (32/64)
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+live:
+1 - liveDVD/USB dual arch KDE nonfree
+1 - liveDVD/USB dual arch Gnome nonfree
+2 - liveCD KDE english only (32)
+2 - liveCD Gnome english only (32)
+
+total 9 iso's to be tested, of which 3 of them will need more testing due to
+dual arch; (and perhaps the nonfree option will need a bit of extra testing
+too in the DVD in the 2 DVD installer isos).
+
+i don't think it can be any shorter than this...
+
+Personally only 3 isos are important:
+- dual arch CD nonfree (it's only for advanced users, mostly used for servers,
+so need hardware raid firmware and network firmware; don't care about graphic
+drivers; and i also can use it as a rescue CD, that means i only need one CD
+in my coat inner pocket at all times)
+- 64bit DVD install (preferably nonfree) for desktop installs.
+- boot nonfree (64bit) for PXE installs and such
+
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+after this,if people want more and there IS resources, people can make more
+iso's like with edu selection or whatnot...
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+speaking of dual arch CD; i'm missing iproute2 &amp; bridge-utils (commands: ip
+(mostly for vlan support) and brctl) in the rescue
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+So! I'll import msec in our svn and maintain it. I love this soft and
+it's sad to see it going away... And it's Python, I practice this
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+Il 19/09/2012 10:55, Oden Eriksson ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hello people.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Someone was wondering why i added autogen.sh in libxslt. There is a
+</I>&gt;<i> reason for this after long time maintaining open source softwares.
+</I>&gt;<i> See it as a &quot;last known good&quot; way of using the autopoo stuff as
+</I>&gt;<i> done upstream. If &quot;autoreconf - fi&quot; should ever fail in libxslt
+</I>&gt;<i> use the provided autogen.sh file. These files tends to disappear or
+</I>&gt;<i> be moved to the upstream release managers private hard drive only,
+</I>&gt;<i> or something like that. It's simply wise to keep autogen.sh for
+</I>&gt;<i> ourselves for reference. If you don't need to use it, fine, but
+</I>&gt;<i> keep it.
+</I>
+I'm not against on having stuff that simplify our life in building
+packages, but i have a question what does autogen.sh that does not
+work with the standard sequence (more or less always the same)?:
+libtoolize &amp;&amp; aclocal &amp;&amp; automake --add-missing &amp;&amp; autoconf
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+Just wonder...
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+Cheers,
+ Angelo
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+&gt;<i> I'd suggest for livecds:
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 liveCDs:
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 GNOME 700M i586 - english only - for FOSDEM &amp; co
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 KDE 700M i586 - english only - for FOSDEM &amp; co
+</I>&gt;<i> 4 liveDVDs:
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 GNOME DVD i586 - all locales-*
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 GNOME DVD x86_64 - all locales-*
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 KDE DVD i586 - all locales-*
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 KDE DVD x86_64 - all locales-*
+</I>
+
++1
+
+but I would suggest that all those guys get a network install option. In
+particular the live CDs, in that case they could replace the boot.iso.
+It is true that it takes 10x times to download a full CD compared to
+boot.iso, but that's still tractable?
+
+
+&gt;<i> Question...
+</I>&gt;<i> do we need to provide XFCE (or LXDE) for those that does not like
+</I>&gt;<i> the GNOME/KDE bloat (and &quot;phone/pad&quot; gui) ?
+</I>
+
+I belong to those guys, and I would say NO. :)
+
+Just because, if you don't like KDE, you won't like LXDE for aesthetic
+reasons, and XFCE is practical but neither nice in my opinion. However,
+if would not have a size issue, I'll say YES only if we include all the
+small desktop environments; because that's a great stuff about Mageia
+that we have almost all of them.
+
+Cheers,
+Chris.
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+On 19/09/12 21:47, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 19/09/2012 19:46, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My laptop uses fstab lines to mount directories on the old server
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and also on a QNAS box. I've no idea what version of Linux is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> running on the QNAS, but the mounts are working there. The old
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> server is running Mageia 2, and mount to that don't work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Working line example:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 192.168.0.200:/DataFromBorg2 /mnt/QNAS-Borg2-Data nfs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> user,timeo=14 0 0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Non-working (M2) example:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 192.168.0.40:/Data1 /mnt/borg2_Data1 nfs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> user,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,nosuid,soft 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> First, your are clearly not mounting the same path (/DataFromBorg2
+</I>&gt;<i> vs /Data1), so your comparaison is quite biased.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>As I stated, these are two different sources, the old server and the
+new one. The version used in the QNAS mount is the one I had
+previously used with Scientific Linux, so that's where I started from.
+ I gave this information because it proves that the nfs client is at
+least working since it can connect with the QNAS, so the problem is in
+how I connect with the nfs server on borg2.
+
+&gt;<i> Second, you'd rather use mount command, than hardcoded entries in
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/fstab entries, to debug the issues. You'll get much more
+</I>&gt;<i> input.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I've had no success at all there - I never fully understood command
+mounting.
+
+mount 192.168.0.40:/Data1 /mnt/borg2_Data1 -t nfs
+mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
+
+Every variation I've tried on the command simply returns to the help file.
+
+&gt;<i> Third, you'd rather avoid useless options such as rsize and wsize,
+</I>&gt;<i> unless you know what you're doing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>First, that is a format I used in earlier versions/distros. Second,
+it was copied from a bug report. In the absence of better advice, I
+took that.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Note that I initially wrote it the same way as the QNAS line,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and reverted to this older style when I found that didn't work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mount -a gives mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> protocol is not supported
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If I forget and click on the mount point in Dolphin I get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;An error occurred while accessing 'Data1 on 192.168.0.40', the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> system responded: mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> protocol is not supported&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is this <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6541?">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6541?</A> And is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there anything I can do to improve matters?
+</I>&gt;<i> According to the error message, you have probably a version
+</I>&gt;<i> negotiation issue between your client and your server. Add -d
+</I>&gt;<i> option to rpc.mountd (RPCMOUNTDOPTS variable in /etc/sysconfig/nfs)
+</I>&gt;<i> on server side,
+</I>
+Done.
+
+&gt;<i> and -v option to mount.nfs on client side to get more verbose error
+</I>&gt;<i> reporting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+How do I do that? mount.nfs is an executable, not a shell script, so
+I can't add it there. Attempting to add it in the mount command says
+it is an invalid option.
+
+Which log file should I be monitoring for this? I issued a &quot;mount -a&quot;
+command then checked dmesg, messages and syslog, and none of them are
+reporting anything at all about a mount attempt.
+
+Anne
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 19/09/12 15:53, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Are paper magazines still relevant here? (true question)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, they are an important distribution method. Additionally there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will be reviews/articles accompanying the cover DVDs. Don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> forget, this is cost free advertizing!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Interestingly, one of the leading UK computer magazines has just
+</I>&gt;<i> stopped including cover media. The reviews are still there, as is the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;What's on this month's disk&quot;, but the disk is downloadable.
+</I>
+This is the reason why over here nobody thinks of abandoning the cover
+media. Quite to the opposite as I learned from a conversation with a
+chief editor earlier this year. Cover media are very popular because
+they cater to the needs of people with slow net access. Cover media
+are a measurable cause of increasing sales - as this chief editor
+told, issues with popular software on a DVD sell more copies than
+without.
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+Even other kinds of media (tv program, lifestyle magazines and others)
+have taken to adding DVDs on their issues.
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+On 20/09/12 11:19, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/9/19 Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">annew at kde.org</A>&gt;:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 19/09/12 15:53, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Are paper magazines still relevant here? (true question)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, they are an important distribution method. Additionally
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> there will be reviews/articles accompanying the cover DVDs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Don't forget, this is cost free advertizing!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Interestingly, one of the leading UK computer magazines has just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stopped including cover media. The reviews are still there, as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is the &quot;What's on this month's disk&quot;, but the disk is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> downloadable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is the reason why over here nobody thinks of abandoning the
+</I>&gt;<i> cover media. Quite to the opposite as I learned from a conversation
+</I>&gt;<i> with a chief editor earlier this year. Cover media are very popular
+</I>&gt;<i> because they cater to the needs of people with slow net access.
+</I>
+Yes, I suspect that this need will be very variable, geographically.
+
+&gt;<i> Cover media are a measurable cause of increasing sales - as this
+</I>&gt;<i> chief editor told, issues with popular software on a DVD sell more
+</I>&gt;<i> copies than without.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Even other kinds of media (tv program, lifestyle magazines and
+</I>&gt;<i> others) have taken to adding DVDs on their issues.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Something apparently for nothing is always attractive to many, but the
+eco lobby is becoming increasingly important. I'm not advocating
+dropping the media disks for now, just being aware that the situation
+needs to be watched for the future.
+
+Irrelevant to this discussion, but I feel increasingly guilty about
+disposing of frequent &quot;bumper *buntu distro&quot; disks. Since I subscribe
+the several magazines they have been coming in threes. That's a lot
+of disks in a year.
+
+Anne
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+&gt;&gt;<i> and -v option to mount.nfs on client side to get more verbose error
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reporting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How do I do that? mount.nfs is an executable, not a shell script, so
+</I>&gt;<i> I can't add it there. Attempting to add it in the mount command says
+</I>&gt;<i> it is an invalid option.
+</I>This is probably an issue with arguments order in command line parsing.
+Try either of those command (they are strictly equivalent):
+mount -v -t nfs 192.168.0.40:/Data1 /mnt/borg2_Data1
+mount.nfs -v 192.168.0.40:/Data1 /mnt/borg2_Data1
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+If that doesn't work, check their man page for exact syntax.
+
+Also, you can check available NFS version on your servers:
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+<PRE>2012/9/20 Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">annew at kde.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 20/09/12 11:19, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is the reason why over here nobody thinks of abandoning the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cover media. Quite to the opposite as I learned from a conversation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with a chief editor earlier this year. Cover media are very popular
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because they cater to the needs of people with slow net access.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I suspect that this need will be very variable, geographically.
+</I>
+Says a resident in the UK with superfast internet for everybody. :)
+
+&gt;<i> Something apparently for nothing is always attractive to many, but the
+</I>&gt;<i> eco lobby is becoming increasingly important. I'm not advocating
+</I>&gt;<i> dropping the media disks for now, just being aware that the situation
+</I>&gt;<i> needs to be watched for the future.
+</I>
+Well, for computer magazines it's not &quot;for nothing&quot;. The popular
+magazines are coming in 2 flavors, one with cover media, the other
+without. Guess which is cheaper.
+
+&gt;<i> Irrelevant to this discussion, but I feel increasingly guilty about
+</I>&gt;<i> disposing of frequent &quot;bumper *buntu distro&quot; disks. Since I subscribe
+</I>&gt;<i> the several magazines they have been coming in threes. That's a lot
+</I>&gt;<i> of disks in a year.
+</I>
+That is the reason I stopped subscribing years ago. I only buy a
+magazine if I am interested in an article or I want the cover media.
+So I don't feel guilty.
+
+Anyhow, I don't think that this part of the discussion even has an
+impact on cover media. As long as we have a live DVD or CD (with
+German language) the German magazines will get what they need (this
+goes for all other countries as well).
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+--
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+</I>&gt;<i> for &quot;normal install&quot; DVDs I guess we need to add nonfree firmwares
+</I>&gt;<i> to the isos in separate media with an option to enable/use them in
+</I>&gt;<i> the install phase as some hw need it to actually work.
+</I>&gt;<i> (IIRC tv had something like this in progress)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Another vote to incorporate non-free as much as possible. Someone
+coming from Mint/Ubuntu etc. is probably not going to stick w/Mageia if
+the X server fails on first boot or their WiFi requires excessive
+tinkering. Some students may not have access to wired Ethernet
+connections and depend on WiFi, hence making net-installs for non-free
+drivers a catch 22.
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+~Digigold
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+&gt;<i> 2012/9/20 Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">annew at kde.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 20/09/12 11:19, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is the reason why over here nobody thinks of abandoning the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cover media. Quite to the opposite as I learned from a conversation
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with a chief editor earlier this year. Cover media are very popular
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because they cater to the needs of people with slow net access.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, I suspect that this need will be very variable, geographically.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Says a resident in the UK with superfast internet for everybody. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+While I don't buy magazines as *I* can download any of the iso easily
+at uni, if I am away and wanted the disks then it would be something
+that would greatly appeal to me.
+The statement that the uk has superfast internet for all isn't
+accurate, at the present the uk still contains Scotland.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Something apparently for nothing is always attractive to many, but the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> eco lobby is becoming increasingly important. I'm not advocating
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dropping the media disks for now, just being aware that the situation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needs to be watched for the future.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, for computer magazines it's not &quot;for nothing&quot;. The popular
+</I>&gt;<i> magazines are coming in 2 flavors, one with cover media, the other
+</I>&gt;<i> without. Guess which is cheaper.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Irrelevant to this discussion, but I feel increasingly guilty about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> disposing of frequent &quot;bumper *buntu distro&quot; disks. Since I subscribe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the several magazines they have been coming in threes. That's a lot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of disks in a year.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That is the reason I stopped subscribing years ago. I only buy a
+</I>&gt;<i> magazine if I am interested in an article or I want the cover media.
+</I>&gt;<i> So I don't feel guilty.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyhow, I don't think that this part of the discussion even has an
+</I>&gt;<i> impact on cover media. As long as we have a live DVD or CD (with
+</I>&gt;<i> German language) the German magazines will get what they need (this
+</I>&gt;<i> goes for all other countries as well).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>
+Shipping a pure free flavour is appealing, however, I feel that it
+doesn't warrent a disk by itself, perhaps an option to not install non
+free software on the dvd.
+
+The number of live cds does need to be minimized, I also agree with
+the proposal to have 4, 2 Gnome, 2 for KDE. The other environments
+could surely be done by the *community* and therefore be onofficial
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+&gt;<i> On 20 September 2012 12:13, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Says a resident in the UK with superfast internet for everybody. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The statement that the uk has superfast internet for all isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> accurate, at the present the uk still contains Scotland.
+</I>
+That statement was irony, see the smiley :)
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+On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 07:33:02 -0400
+Digigold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">digigold808 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 09/19/2012 04:31 AM, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for &quot;normal install&quot; DVDs I guess we need to add nonfree firmwares
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to the isos in separate media with an option to enable/use them in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the install phase as some hw need it to actually work.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (IIRC tv had something like this in progress)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Another vote to incorporate non-free as much as possible. Someone
+</I>&gt;<i> coming from Mint/Ubuntu etc. is probably not going to stick w/Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> if the X server fails on first boot or their WiFi requires excessive
+</I>&gt;<i> tinkering. Some students may not have access to wired Ethernet
+</I>&gt;<i> connections and depend on WiFi, hence making net-installs for
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free drivers a catch 22.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
++1. I agree with that.
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+&gt;<i> 2012/9/20 Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 20 September 2012 12:13, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Says a resident in the UK with superfast internet for everybody. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The statement that the uk has superfast internet for all isn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> accurate, at the present the uk still contains Scotland.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That statement was irony, see the smiley :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>
+Note the &quot;UK still contains Scotland&quot; also meant as rhetoric.
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+On 20/09/12 11:59, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 20/09/2012 11:54, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and -v option to mount.nfs on client side to get more verbose
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> error reporting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How do I do that? mount.nfs is an executable, not a shell
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> script, so I can't add it there. Attempting to add it in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mount command says it is an invalid option.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is probably an issue with arguments order in command line
+</I>&gt;<i> parsing. Try either of those command (they are strictly
+</I>&gt;<i> equivalent): mount -v -t nfs 192.168.0.40:/Data1 /mnt/borg2_Data1
+</I>
+mount -v -t nfs 192.168.0.40:/Data1 /mnt/borg2_Data1
+mount.nfs: timeout set for Thu Sep 20 13:54:21 2012
+mount.nfs: trying text-based options
+'vers=4,addr=192.168.0.40,clientaddr=192.168.0.20'
+mount.nfs: mount(2): Protocol not supported
+mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'addr=192.168.0.40'
+mount.nfs: prog 100003, trying vers=3, prot=6
+mount.nfs: portmap query retrying: RPC: Program not registered
+mount.nfs: prog 100003, trying vers=3, prot=17
+mount.nfs: portmap query failed: RPC: Program not registered
+mount.nfs: prog 100003, trying vers=2, prot=6
+mount.nfs: portmap query retrying: RPC: Program not registered
+mount.nfs: prog 100003, trying vers=2, prot=17
+mount.nfs: portmap query failed: RPC: Program not registered
+mount.nfs: prog 100003, trying vers=2, prot=6
+mount.nfs: portmap query retrying: RPC: Program not registered
+mount.nfs: prog 100003, trying vers=2, prot=17
+mount.nfs: portmap query failed: RPC: Program not registered
+mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
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+&gt;<i> mount.nfs -v 192.168.0.40:/Data1 /mnt/borg2_Data1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>mount.nfs -v 192.168.0.40:/Data1 /mnt/borg2_Data1
+mount.nfs: timeout set for Thu Sep 20 13:55:36 2012
+mount.nfs: trying text-based options
+'vers=4,addr=192.168.0.40,clientaddr=192.168.0.20'
+mount.nfs: mount(2): Protocol not supported
+mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'addr=192.168.0.40'
+mount.nfs: prog 100003, trying vers=3, prot=6
+mount.nfs: portmap query retrying: RPC: Program not registered
+mount.nfs: prog 100003, trying vers=3, prot=17
+mount.nfs: portmap query failed: RPC: Program not registered
+mount.nfs: prog 100003, trying vers=2, prot=6
+mount.nfs: portmap query retrying: RPC: Program not registered
+mount.nfs: prog 100003, trying vers=2, prot=17
+mount.nfs: portmap query failed: RPC: Program not registered
+mount.nfs: prog 100003, trying vers=2, prot=6
+mount.nfs: portmap query retrying: RPC: Program not registered
+mount.nfs: prog 100003, trying vers=2, prot=17
+mount.nfs: portmap query failed: RPC: Program not registered
+mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
+
+&gt;<i> If that doesn't work, check their man page for exact syntax.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, you can check available NFS version on your servers: rpcinfo
+</I>&gt;<i> -s 192.168.0.40
+</I>rpcinfo -s 192.168.0.40
+ program version(s) netid(s) service owner
+ 100000 2,3,4 local,udp,tcp,udp6,tcp6 portmapper
+superuser
+ 100024 1 tcp6,udp6,tcp,udp status
+superuser
+ 100021 4,3,1 tcp6,udp6,tcp,udp nlockmgr
+superuser
+ 100003 4,3,2 udp6,tcp6 nfs
+superuser
+ 100227 3,2 udp6,tcp6 nfs_acl
+superuser
+ 100005 3,2,1 tcp6,udp6,tcp,udp mountd
+superuser
+
+Doesn't mean much to me :-(
+
+&gt;<i> rpcinfo -s 192.168.0.200
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Doesn't reply - presumably firewalled.
+
+Looks as though the problem relates to rpc on the server. I don't
+mind doing the digging, but can you point me to the right place to
+start the hole?
+
+Anne
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+&gt;<i> dams &lt;dams&gt; 0.13.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 296332
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+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 0.13.0
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+following <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Opening_a_Mageia_account">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Opening_a_Mageia_account</A>
+I am writing to this ML.
+I am looking for a mentor to help me become a packager for Mageia.
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+I was Mandriva enthuasiast since year 2000 and now switching to Mageia
+step by step.
+I would like to pay my debts to OSS community.
+I work mostly as Linux Sys Admin.
+Experience more that 10 years.
+Time zone is EEST.
+Based in Lithuania.
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
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+On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:31:12 +0300
+Liutauras Adomaitis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">liutauras.adomaitis at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> following
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Opening_a_Mageia_account">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Opening_a_Mageia_account</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am writing to this ML. I am looking for a mentor to help me become
+</I>&gt;<i> a packager for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was Mandriva enthuasiast since year 2000 and now switching to Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> step by step.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to pay my debts to OSS community.
+</I>&gt;<i> I work mostly as Linux Sys Admin.
+</I>&gt;<i> Experience more that 10 years.
+</I>&gt;<i> Time zone is EEST.
+</I>&gt;<i> Based in Lithuania.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Liutauras
+</I>
+Right now I have enough time to mentor you. I am &quot;rindolf&quot; on the IRC and
+Shlomi (Fish) or &quot;shlomif&quot; elsewhere. Join #mageia-mentoring and we may be
+able to find you something to do.
+
+Regards,
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+<PRE>Le 20/09/2012 15:00, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;<i> Also, you can check available NFS version on your servers: rpcinfo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -s 192.168.0.40
+</I>&gt;<i> rpcinfo -s 192.168.0.40
+</I>&gt;<i> program version(s) netid(s) service owner
+</I>&gt;<i> 100000 2,3,4 local,udp,tcp,udp6,tcp6 portmapper
+</I>&gt;<i> superuser
+</I>&gt;<i> 100024 1 tcp6,udp6,tcp,udp status
+</I>&gt;<i> superuser
+</I>&gt;<i> 100021 4,3,1 tcp6,udp6,tcp,udp nlockmgr
+</I>&gt;<i> superuser
+</I>&gt;<i> 100003 4,3,2 udp6,tcp6 nfs
+</I>&gt;<i> superuser
+</I>&gt;<i> 100227 3,2 udp6,tcp6 nfs_acl
+</I>&gt;<i> superuser
+</I>&gt;<i> 100005 3,2,1 tcp6,udp6,tcp,udp mountd
+</I>&gt;<i> superuser
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doesn't mean much to me :-(
+</I>Your NFS server seems to be available on IPv6 only.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> rpcinfo -s 192.168.0.200
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doesn't reply - presumably firewalled.
+</I>Do you really need a firewall between hosts in your LAN ?
+
+&gt;<i> Looks as though the problem relates to rpc on the server. I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> mind doing the digging, but can you point me to the right place to
+</I>&gt;<i> start the hole?
+</I>I'd try to understand why the nfs daemon (rpc.nfsd) is listening on IPv6
+only, whereas the mount daemon (rpc.mountd) is listening both on IPv4
+and IPv6.
+
+BTW, you're also lacking rpc.idmapd, which is mandatory for NFSv4
+support, but that's a secondary issue.
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+--
+BOFH excuse #277:
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+On 20/09/12 16:27, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 20/09/2012 15:00, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Also, you can check available NFS version on your servers:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rpcinfo -s 192.168.0.40
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpcinfo -s 192.168.0.40 program version(s) netid(s)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> service owner 100000 2,3,4 local,udp,tcp,udp6,tcp6
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> portmapper superuser 100024 1 tcp6,udp6,tcp,udp
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> status superuser 100021 4,3,1 tcp6,udp6,tcp,udp
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nlockmgr superuser 100003 4,3,2 udp6,tcp6
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nfs superuser 100227 3,2 udp6,tcp6
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nfs_acl superuser 100005 3,2,1 tcp6,udp6,tcp,udp
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mountd superuser
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doesn't mean much to me :-(
+</I>&gt;<i> Your NFS server seems to be available on IPv6 only.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No idea why that should be. How/where do I correct that?
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rpcinfo -s 192.168.0.200
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doesn't reply - presumably firewalled.
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you really need a firewall between hosts in your LAN ?
+</I>
+Possibly not, but that is how it comes, and sorting out the Mageia
+side has been higher priority up to now.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Looks as though the problem relates to rpc on the server. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't mind doing the digging, but can you point me to the right
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> place to start the hole?
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd try to understand why the nfs daemon (rpc.nfsd) is listening on
+</I>&gt;<i> IPv6 only, whereas the mount daemon (rpc.mountd) is listening both
+</I>&gt;<i> on IPv4 and IPv6.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Where is that configured?
+
+&gt;<i> BTW, you're also lacking rpc.idmapd, which is mandatory for NFSv4
+</I>&gt;<i> support, but that's a secondary issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I've done a lot of googling, and most of what I found was
+ubuntu-specific. However, I found a recent entry saying that it is
+provided by nfs-utils - that that is installed. nfs-common and
+nfs-server are both running, according to mcc. Following another
+lead, I tried to locate nfsmount.conf and found that I had a backup
+containing it, and a man page, but no actual file.
+
+This is incredibly difficult. Users shouldn't have to jump through
+this number of hoops to do something so basic to productivity :-(
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+On 20/09/12 12:13, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/9/20 Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">annew at kde.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 20/09/12 11:19, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is the reason why over here nobody thinks of abandoning
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the cover media. Quite to the opposite as I learned from a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> conversation with a chief editor earlier this year. Cover media
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> are very popular because they cater to the needs of people with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> slow net access.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, I suspect that this need will be very variable,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> geographically.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Says a resident in the UK with superfast internet for everybody.
+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The situation here is slowly improving, but I accept that larger
+countries also have larger areas with less coverage.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Something apparently for nothing is always attractive to many,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but the eco lobby is becoming increasingly important. I'm not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> advocating dropping the media disks for now, just being aware
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that the situation needs to be watched for the future.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, for computer magazines it's not &quot;for nothing&quot;. The popular
+</I>&gt;<i> magazines are coming in 2 flavors, one with cover media, the other
+</I>&gt;<i> without. Guess which is cheaper.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Guess which ones are on the news-stands? I've never seen one without
+the cover media.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Irrelevant to this discussion, but I feel increasingly guilty
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about disposing of frequent &quot;bumper *buntu distro&quot; disks. Since
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I subscribe the several magazines they have been coming in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> threes. That's a lot of disks in a year.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That is the reason I stopped subscribing years ago. I only buy a
+</I>&gt;<i> magazine if I am interested in an article or I want the cover
+</I>&gt;<i> media. So I don't feel guilty.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyhow, I don't think that this part of the discussion even has an
+</I>&gt;<i> impact on cover media. As long as we have a live DVD or CD (with
+</I>&gt;<i> German language) the German magazines will get what they need
+</I>&gt;<i> (this goes for all other countries as well).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sure. Subject closed :-)
+
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+On 20/09/12 12:42, Donald Stewart wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 20 September 2012 12:13, Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Says a resident in the UK with superfast internet for everybody.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While I don't buy magazines as *I* can download any of the iso
+</I>&gt;<i> easily at uni, if I am away and wanted the disks then it would be
+</I>&gt;<i> something that would greatly appeal to me. The statement that the
+</I>&gt;<i> uk has superfast internet for all isn't accurate, at the present
+</I>&gt;<i> the uk still contains Scotland.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>There are still plenty of places in the UK that don't have superfast
+internet.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shipping a pure free flavour is appealing, however, I feel that it
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't warrent a disk by itself, perhaps an option to not install
+</I>&gt;<i> non free software on the dvd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The number of live cds does need to be minimized, I also agree
+</I>&gt;<i> with the proposal to have 4, 2 Gnome, 2 for KDE. The other
+</I>&gt;<i> environments could surely be done by the *community* and therefore
+</I>&gt;<i> be onofficial and not require the full qa.
+</I>
+Pure question - fully acknowledging my ignorance in this - Is it not
+possible to ask if a &quot;pure&quot; install or one containing non-free
+software is required, on all installs? Just thinking that that would
+cut the number still further, DVD and 1 Gnome CD and 1 KDE CD.
+
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Looks as though the problem relates to rpc on the server. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> don't mind doing the digging, but can you point me to the right
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> place to start the hole?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd try to understand why the nfs daemon (rpc.nfsd) is listening on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IPv6 only, whereas the mount daemon (rpc.mountd) is listening both
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on IPv4 and IPv6.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where is that configured?
+</I>There is no such 'use IPv6 only' configuration option AFAIK, this seems
+rather like a problem. Maybe not specific to NFS, BTW.
+
+There is no --verbose flag for rpc.nfsd, but you may use rpcdebug instead:
+rpcdebug -m nfsd -s all
+
+Then, restart the nfs-server service, and check your logs.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, you're also lacking rpc.idmapd, which is mandatory for NFSv4
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> support, but that's a secondary issue.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've done a lot of googling, and most of what I found was
+</I>&gt;<i> ubuntu-specific. However, I found a recent entry saying that it is
+</I>&gt;<i> provided by nfs-utils - that that is installed. nfs-common and
+</I>&gt;<i> nfs-server are both running, according to mcc.
+</I>nfs-common service, as 90% of similar services, use an
+/etc/sysconfig/nfs-common congiguration file. Just set NEEDIDMAPD to yes
+to ensure it runs.
+
+Also, you'd better forget GUIs when trying to debug issue, and ressort
+to command line instead, you'll have much more control and feedback.
+
+&gt;<i> Following another
+</I>&gt;<i> lead, I tried to locate nfsmount.conf and found that I had a backup
+</I>&gt;<i> containing it, and a man page, but no actual file.
+</I>That's an interesting point, it means your actual setup differs from the
+default package one. Try 'rpm --verify nfs-utils' and 'rpm --verify
+nfs-utils-client' to check what has been modified exactly.
+
+&gt;<i> This is incredibly difficult. Users shouldn't have to jump through
+</I>&gt;<i> this number of hoops to do something so basic to productivity :-(
+</I>I'm not sure what users should have to do or not, but I'm quite sure
+this kind of imprecations won't help you solve the issue.
+
+If everything else fails, you may also inhibit IPv6 completly: just add
+'install ipv6 /bin/true' in any file under /etc/modprobe.d, and reboot.
+
+--
+BOFH excuse #364:
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+Sand fleas eating the Internet cables
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+&gt;<i> On 09/19/2012 04:20 AM, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox &quot;install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> optional proprietary software&quot; in the installer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This allows for example magazines to distribute it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then put the nonfree and tainted stuff on a separate non-installable
+</I>&gt;<i> CD/DVD containing only those packages, and have the installer provide
+</I>&gt;<i> an option to use either that or a network-location nonfree/tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i> The magazine can distribute the base DVD, and those who want
+</I>&gt;<i> nonfree/tainted can simply opt to download the second ISO themselves
+</I>&gt;<i> or have the installer connect them to a network nonfree/tainted repo.
+</I>
+How to proceed when the network connection requires a non-free firmware?
+For example on laptops with no ethernet connector but just wifi?
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+<PRE>On 09/20/2012 07:33 AM, Digigold wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Another vote to incorporate non-free as much as possible. Someone
+</I>&gt;<i> coming from Mint/Ubuntu etc. is probably not going to stick w/Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> if the X server fails on first boot or their WiFi requires excessive
+</I>&gt;<i> tinkering. Some students may not have access to wired Ethernet
+</I>&gt;<i> connections and depend on WiFi, hence making net-installs for non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> drivers a catch 22.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ~Digigold
+</I>
+On 09/20/2012 05:46 PM, Olivier Blin wrote:
+&gt;<i> How to proceed when the network connection requires a non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> firmware? For example on laptops with no ethernet connector but just
+</I>&gt;<i> wifi?
+</I>Like I said earlier, this is especially true with students. e.g. The
+public schools in my area all have WiFi, every student does not have
+access to an Ethernet jack however. Installation media w/o the non-free
+drivers could easily be a deal-breaker for a lot of kids. I think it's
+important to expose those young impressionable minds to Mageia before
+they get poisoned with Ubuntu, Mint and the likes. ;P
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+--
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+ /&quot;A mind that is stretched by a new experience can never go back
+ to its old dimensions.&quot;/
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+&gt;<i> Le 20/09/2012 20:17, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Looks as though the problem relates to rpc on the server. I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; don't mind doing the digging, but can you point me to the right
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; place to start the hole?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'd try to understand why the nfs daemon (rpc.nfsd) is listening on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; IPv6 only, whereas the mount daemon (rpc.mountd) is listening both
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; on IPv4 and IPv6.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Where is that configured?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is no such 'use IPv6 only' configuration option AFAIK, this seems
+</I>&gt;<i> rather like a problem. Maybe not specific to NFS, BTW.
+</I>
+maybe those services were started when there was no ipv4 set up yet, and thus
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+&gt;<i> Revision 5959 Author pterjan Date 2012-09-19 23:02:35 +0200 (Wed, 19 Sep
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+Since the latest Qt4, I've seen kate crash with segv's.
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+Downgrading to the older package fixed the problem.
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+Application: Kate (kate), signal: Segmentation fault
+Using host libthread_db library &quot;/lib64/libthread_db.so.1&quot;.
+[Current thread is 1 (Thread 0x7fd3d574a780 (LWP 31194))]
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+Thread 2 (Thread 0x7fd3cc9b5700 (LWP 31195)):
+#0 0x0000003b3e00b5c4 in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () from
+/lib64/libpthread.so.0
+#1 0x00007fd3cdc791a7 in QTWTF::TCMalloc_PageHeap::scavengerThread() ()
+from /lib64/libQtScript.so.4
+#2 0x00007fd3cdc791d9 in
+QTWTF::TCMalloc_PageHeap::runScavengerThread(void*) () from
+/lib64/libQtScript.so.4
+#3 0x0000003b3e007d18 in start_thread () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0
+#4 0x0000003b3dcec4ed in clone () from /lib64/libc.so.6
+#5 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
+
+Thread 1 (Thread 0x7fd3d574a780 (LWP 31194)):
+[KCrash Handler]
+#5 0x0000003b3dd33ea7 in __memcpy_ssse3 () from /lib64/libc.so.6
+#6 0x00007fd3cdbbc3bb in
+QTJSC::JIT::privateCompileCTIMachineTrampolines(QTWTF::RefPtr&lt;QTJSC::ExecutablePool&gt;*,
+QTJSC::JSGlobalData*, QTJSC::MacroAssemblerCodePtr*,
+QTJSC::MacroAssemblerCodePtr*, QTJSC::MacroAssemblerCodePtr*,
+QTJSC::MacroAssemblerCodePtr*) () from /lib64/libQtScript.so.4
+#7 0x00007fd3cdbd1aec in
+QTJSC::JIT::compileCTIMachineTrampolines(QTJSC::JSGlobalData*,
+QTWTF::RefPtr&lt;QTJSC::ExecutablePool&gt;*, QTJSC::MacroAssemblerCodePtr*,
+QTJSC::MacroAssemblerCodePtr*, QTJSC::MacroAssemblerCodePtr*,
+QTJSC::MacroAssemblerCodePtr*) () from /lib64/libQtScript.so.4
+#8 0x00007fd3cdbcdfa3 in
+QTJSC::JITThunks::JITThunks(QTJSC::JSGlobalData*) () from
+/lib64/libQtScript.so.4
+#9 0x00007fd3cdc1aa38 in QTJSC::JSGlobalData::JSGlobalData(bool) ()
+from /lib64/libQtScript.so.4
+#10 0x00007fd3cdc1b0ec in QTJSC::JSGlobalData::create() () from
+/lib64/libQtScript.so.4
+#11 0x00007fd3cdcbb660 in QScriptEnginePrivate::QScriptEnginePrivate()
+() from /lib64/libQtScript.so.4
+#12 0x00007fd3cdcbc656 in QScriptEngine::QScriptEngine() () from
+/lib64/libQtScript.so.4
+#13 0x00007fd3ce2df42a in KateScript::load() () from
+/lib64/libkatepartinterfaces.so.4
+#14 0x00007fd3ce2df799 in KateScript::clearExceptions() () from
+/lib64/libkatepartinterfaces.so.4
+#15 0x00007fd3ce2e0abc in KateCommandLineScript::actionInfo(QString
+const&amp;) () from /lib64/libkatepartinterfaces.so.4
+#16 0x00007fd3ce2e69f1 in KateScriptActionMenu::repopulate() () from
+/lib64/libkatepartinterfaces.so.4
+#17 0x00007fd3ce2e70cc in
+KateScriptActionMenu::KateScriptActionMenu(KateView*, QString const&amp;) ()
+from /lib64/libkatepartinterfaces.so.4
+#18 0x00007fd3ce3453ea in KateView::setupActions() () from
+/lib64/libkatepartinterfaces.so.4
+#19 0x00007fd3ce349345 in KateView::KateView(KateDocument*, QWidget*) ()
+from /lib64/libkatepartinterfaces.so.4
+#20 0x00007fd3ce2b4ff4 in KateDocument::createView(QWidget*) () from
+/lib64/libkatepartinterfaces.so.4
+#21 0x00007fd3d64d354a in
+KateViewManager::createView(KTextEditor::Document*) () from
+/lib64/libkateinterfaces.so.4
+#22 0x00007fd3d64d7c4a in KateViewSpace::restoreConfig(KateViewManager*,
+KConfigBase const*, QString const&amp;) () from /lib64/libkateinterfaces.so.4
+#23 0x00007fd3d64d5aec in KateViewManager::restoreSplitter(KConfigBase
+const*, QString const&amp;, QSplitter*, QString const&amp;) () from
+/lib64/libkateinterfaces.so.4
+#24 0x00007fd3d64d637d in
+KateViewManager::restoreViewConfiguration(KConfigGroup const&amp;) () from
+/lib64/libkateinterfaces.so.4
+#25 0x00007fd3d64caf4e in KateMainWindow::KateMainWindow(KConfig*,
+QString const&amp;) () from /lib64/libkateinterfaces.so.4
+#26 0x00007fd3d64bc884 in KateApp::newMainWindow(KConfig*, QString
+const&amp;) () from /lib64/libkateinterfaces.so.4
+#27 0x00007fd3d64e0633 in
+KateSessionManager::activateSession(KSharedPtr&lt;KateSession&gt;, bool, bool,
+bool) () from /lib64/libkateinterfaces.so.4
+#28 0x00007fd3d64e37a3 in KateSessionManager::chooseSession() () from
+/lib64/libkateinterfaces.so.4
+#29 0x00007fd3d64bdfe7 in KateApp::startupKate() () from
+/lib64/libkateinterfaces.so.4
+#30 0x00007fd3d64be3a5 in KateApp::initKate() () from
+/lib64/libkateinterfaces.so.4
+#31 0x00007fd3d64be5c2 in KateApp::KateApp(KCmdLineArgs*) () from
+/lib64/libkateinterfaces.so.4
+#32 0x00007fd3d6712648 in kdemain () from /lib64/libkdeinit4_kate.so
+#33 0x0000003b3dc21975 in __libc_start_main () from /lib64/libc.so.6
+#34 0x0000000000400751 in _start ()
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+&gt;<i> On 19 September 2012 23:02, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 5959 Author pterjan Date 2012-09-19 23:02:35 +0200 (Wed, 19 Sep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mount /dev/shm as tmpfs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You didn't fill in NEWS.
+</I>
+Oops
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+&gt;<i> Care to do a release?
+</I>
+I will but wanted to analyze more the current bug (about missing
+arches) as even with the old code I don't see how it can happen
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since the latest Qt4, I've seen kate crash with segv's.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Downgrading to the older package fixed the problem.
+</I>
+Do you have sse3 support in your CPU (not all x86_64 do)?
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+Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:25:22 +0300
+From: Liutauras Adomaitis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">liutauras.adomaitis at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
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+On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi Liutauras,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:31:12 +0300
+</I>&gt;<i> Liutauras Adomaitis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">liutauras.adomaitis at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> following
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Opening_a_Mageia_account">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Opening_a_Mageia_account</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am writing to this ML. I am looking for a mentor to help me become
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a packager for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was Mandriva enthuasiast since year 2000 and now switching to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia step by step.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to pay my debts to OSS community.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I work mostly as Linux Sys Admin.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Experience more that 10 years.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Time zone is EEST.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Based in Lithuania.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Liutauras
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Right now I have enough time to mentor you. I am &quot;rindolf&quot; on the IRC
+</I>&gt;<i> and Shlomi (Fish) or &quot;shlomif&quot; elsewhere. Join #mageia-mentoring and
+</I>&gt;<i> we may be able to find you something to do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Great, I will be Liutas on IRC
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 21/09/12 09:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 21 September 2012 10:13, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since the latest Qt4, I've seen kate crash with segv's.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Downgrading to the older package fixed the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have sse3 support in your CPU (not all x86_64 do)?
+</I>
+Yup, it's there:
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>On 09/20/2012 05:46 PM, Olivier Blin wrote:
+&gt;<i> Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 09/19/2012 04:20 AM, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox &quot;install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> optional proprietary software&quot; in the installer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This allows for example magazines to distribute it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then put the nonfree and tainted stuff on a separate non-installable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> CD/DVD containing only those packages, and have the installer provide
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an option to use either that or a network-location nonfree/tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The magazine can distribute the base DVD, and those who want
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nonfree/tainted can simply opt to download the second ISO themselves
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or have the installer connect them to a network nonfree/tainted repo.
+</I>&gt;<i> How to proceed when the network connection requires a non-free firmware?
+</I>&gt;<i> For example on laptops with no ethernet connector but just wifi?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Then you get someone to download the companion ISO for you. Or, you
+don't rely on magazines for your install. Or, we resign ourselves to
+the fact that magazine installers will be second-class citizens, and put
+the nonfree stuff on the primary ISO.
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+What do the magazines do about other distros that include nonfree stuff ?
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+On 20/09/12 21:37, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 20/09/2012 20:17, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Looks as though the problem relates to rpc on the server. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> don't mind doing the digging, but can you point me to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> right place to start the hole?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'd try to understand why the nfs daemon (rpc.nfsd) is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> listening on IPv6 only, whereas the mount daemon (rpc.mountd)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is listening both on IPv4 and IPv6.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Where is that configured?
+</I>&gt;<i> There is no such 'use IPv6 only' configuration option AFAIK, this
+</I>&gt;<i> seems rather like a problem. Maybe not specific to NFS, BTW.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is no --verbose flag for rpc.nfsd, but you may use rpcdebug
+</I>&gt;<i> instead: rpcdebug -m nfsd -s all
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then, restart the nfs-server service, and check your logs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sep 21 19:18:05 borg2 nfs-server[4320]: /etc/sysconfig/nfs-server:
+line 11: -d: command not found
+Sep 21 19:18:05 borg2 nfs-server[4320]: Stopping NFS kernel daemon
+Sep 21 19:18:05 borg2 rpc.mountd[1765]: Caught signal 15,
+un-registering and exiting.
+Sep 21 19:18:05 borg2 nfs-server[4320]: Stopping rpc.mountd:[ OK ]
+Sep 21 19:18:08 borg2 kernel: [110004.094558] nfsd: freeing readahead
+buffers.
+Sep 21 19:18:08 borg2 kernel: [110004.095309] nfsd: last server has
+exited, flushing export cache
+Sep 21 19:18:08 borg2 nfs-server[4320]: Stopping nfsd:[ OK ]
+Sep 21 19:18:08 borg2 nfs-server[4320]: Unexporting directories for
+NFS kernel daemon...
+Sep 21 19:18:08 borg2 nfs-server[4359]: /etc/sysconfig/nfs-server:
+line 11: -d: command not found
+Sep 21 19:18:08 borg2 nfs-server[4359]: Exporting directories for NFS
+kernel daemon...
+Sep 21 19:18:08 borg2 nfs-server[4359]: Starting NFS kernel daemon
+Sep 21 19:18:08 borg2 nfs-server[4359]: Starting nfsdrpc.nfsd: unable
+to bind inet TCP socket: errno 98 (Address already in use)
+Sep 21 19:18:08 borg2 kernel: [110004.460625] set_max_drc
+nfsd_drc_max_mem 765952
+Sep 21 19:18:08 borg2 kernel: [110004.461595] nfsd: creating service
+Sep 21 19:18:08 borg2 kernel: [110004.461601] nfsd: allocating 32
+readahead buffers.
+Sep 21 19:18:08 borg2 kernel: [110004.461624] NFSD: Using
+/var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
+Sep 21 19:18:08 borg2 kernel: [110004.461677] NFSD: starting 90-second
+grace period
+Sep 21 19:18:08 borg2 nfs-server[4359]: [ OK ]
+Sep 21 19:18:09 borg2 nfs-server[4359]: Reloading rpc.idmapd[ OK ]
+Sep 21 19:18:09 borg2 rpc.mountd[4403]: Version 1.2.5 starting
+Sep 21 19:18:09 borg2 nfs-server[4359]: Starting rpc.mountd[ OK ]
+Sep 21 19:19:39 borg2 kernel: [110094.560075] NFSD: laundromat service
+- - starting
+Sep 21 19:19:39 borg2 kernel: [110094.560086] NFSD: end of grace period
+Sep 21 19:19:39 borg2 kernel: [110094.580278] NFSD: laundromat_main -
+sleeping for 90 seconds
+Sep 21 19:21:06 borg2 dovecot: imap-login: Disconnected (no auth
+attempts): rip=192.168.0.40, lip=192.168.0.40, TLS handshaking:
+Disconnected
+Sep 21 19:21:09 borg2 kernel: [110184.800046] NFSD: laundromat service
+- - starting
+Sep 21 19:21:09 borg2 kernel: [110184.800060] NFSD: laundromat_main -
+sleeping for 90 seconds
+Sep 21 19:22:39 borg2 kernel: [110275.040069] NFSD: laundromat service
+- - starting
+Sep 21 19:22:39 borg2 kernel: [110275.040083] NFSD: laundromat_main -
+sleeping for 90 seconds
+Sep 21 19:24:09 borg2 kernel: [110365.280038] NFSD: laundromat service
+- - starting
+Sep 21 19:24:09 borg2 kernel: [110365.280047] NFSD: laundromat_main -
+sleeping for 90 seconds
+
+The Line 11 that it complains about says
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+RPCMOUNTD_OPTIONS=&quot;--port 4003&quot; -d
+
+I *don't think* I edited that, but after all the reading around I've
+done it is just possible that I did. I do feel, though that I saw
+that port mentioned and felt that I shouldn't edit it, since I haven't
+a clue which of the many ports mentioned in the logs is the one it's
+expecting. Sorry I can be more specific. I've removed the '-d' and
+restarted.
+
+Sep 21 19:30:06 borg2 nfs-server[5169]: Stopping NFS kernel daemon
+Sep 21 19:30:06 borg2 rpc.mountd[4403]: Caught signal 15,
+un-registering and exiting.
+Sep 21 19:30:06 borg2 nfs-server[5169]: Stopping rpc.mountd:[ OK ]
+Sep 21 19:30:09 borg2 kernel: [110725.276891] nfsd: freeing readahead
+buffers.
+Sep 21 19:30:09 borg2 kernel: [110725.277654] nfsd: last server has
+exited, flushing export cache
+Sep 21 19:30:09 borg2 nfs-server[5169]: Stopping nfsd:[ OK ]
+Sep 21 19:30:09 borg2 nfs-server[5169]: Unexporting directories for
+NFS kernel daemon...
+Sep 21 19:30:10 borg2 nfs-server[5208]: Exporting directories for NFS
+kernel daemon...
+Sep 21 19:30:10 borg2 nfs-server[5208]: Starting NFS kernel daemon
+Sep 21 19:30:10 borg2 nfs-server[5208]: Starting nfsdrpc.nfsd: unable
+to bind inet TCP socket: errno 98 (Address already in use)
+Sep 21 19:30:10 borg2 kernel: [110725.681229] set_max_drc
+nfsd_drc_max_mem 765952
+Sep 21 19:30:10 borg2 kernel: [110725.683544] nfsd: creating service
+Sep 21 19:30:10 borg2 kernel: [110725.683551] nfsd: allocating 32
+readahead buffers.
+Sep 21 19:30:10 borg2 kernel: [110725.683569] NFSD: Using
+/var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
+Sep 21 19:30:10 borg2 kernel: [110725.683610] NFSD: starting 90-second
+grace period
+Sep 21 19:30:10 borg2 nfs-server[5208]: [ OK ]
+Sep 21 19:30:10 borg2 nfs-server[5208]: Reloading rpc.idmapd[ OK ]
+Sep 21 19:30:10 borg2 rpc.mountd[5251]: Version 1.2.5 starting
+Sep 21 19:30:10 borg2 nfs-server[5208]: Starting rpc.mountd[ OK ]
+
+That looks better, I think? However, 'mount -a' on the client still
+doesn't connect.
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, you're also lacking rpc.idmapd, which is mandatory for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> NFSv4 support, but that's a secondary issue.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've done a lot of googling, and most of what I found was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ubuntu-specific. However, I found a recent entry saying that it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is provided by nfs-utils - that that is installed. nfs-common
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and nfs-server are both running, according to mcc.
+</I>&gt;<i> nfs-common service, as 90% of similar services, use an
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/sysconfig/nfs-common congiguration file. Just set NEEDIDMAPD
+</I>&gt;<i> to yes to ensure it runs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, you'd better forget GUIs when trying to debug issue, and
+</I>&gt;<i> ressort to command line instead, you'll have much more control and
+</I>&gt;<i> feedback.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That's fine. I prefer the command line where it is an area that I've
+used before, but I'm nervous of it when I don't really know what I'm
+doing, and assume that MCC will safeguard against my errors.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Following another lead, I tried to locate nfsmount.conf and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> found that I had a backup containing it, and a man page, but no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> actual file.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's an interesting point, it means your actual setup differs
+</I>&gt;<i> from the default package one. Try 'rpm --verify nfs-utils' and
+</I>&gt;<i> 'rpm --verify nfs-utils-client' to check what has been modified
+</I>&gt;<i> exactly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is incredibly difficult. Users shouldn't have to jump
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> through this number of hoops to do something so basic to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> productivity :-(
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure what users should have to do or not, but I'm quite
+</I>&gt;<i> sure this kind of imprecations won't help you solve the issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Of course :-) but you have to admit it was a pretty mild statement of
+my frustration :-)
+
+&gt;<i> If everything else fails, you may also inhibit IPv6 completly:
+</I>
+I doubt if that would cause any problems - at least not for some time yet.
+
+&gt;<i> just add 'install ipv6 /bin/true' in any file under
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/modprobe.d, and reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Really? That sounds counter-intuitive. Can you explain?
+
+And if I inhibit IPv6 completely, will that automatically enable IPv4,
+or am I still looking for the reason for that lack?
+
+@AL13N -
+&gt;<i> maybe those services were started when there was no ipv4 set up
+</I>&gt;<i> yet, and thus was ignored?
+</I>
+I hesitate to say that anything is impossible, but this was a clean,
+bog-standard Mageia2 install. I can't think why that should be so,
+can you?
+
+This is seriously impeding my work, but at least I'll have learned
+from it :-)
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+&gt;<i> want. So let start proposals here and discussion. Please add all
+</I>&gt;<i> explanations to your proposal.
+</I>
+I prefer a GNOME DVD of max 4GB in size, so it will still fit on a 4GB
+USB stick. The GNOME DVD should have all of the software for task-gnome
+(not just task-gnome-minimal). IMO it should also install task-gnome.
+
+Apparently some people mix and match or something, but although I've
+used KDE in the past, often I don't have even qt installed. I do know
+the mix and matching seems to get e.g. Gimp on KDE.
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+A KDE edition and a GNOME edition just seems easier to me.
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+All available languages should also be on this DVD. I assume 4GB is
+enough for this, but I don't know.
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+A live CD, IMO 800MB CD-Rs are available and not expensive. I really
+wonder how many people still burn cds though. I always just use an USB
+stick. The benefit is quicker download speed, so 800MB is (IMO) a good
+size (ideally 1GB, but that is too much for a CD).
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+On 20/09/12 21:37, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If everything else fails, you may also inhibit IPv6 completly: just
+</I>&gt;<i> add 'install ipv6 /bin/true' in any file under /etc/modprobe.d, and
+</I>&gt;<i> reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Using MCC, I disabled IPv6 and rebooted. Now 'mount -a' on the client
+no longer talks about unsupported NFS version, but says
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+mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.0.40:/home
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+I am UID 500 on both systems, so that's very strange.
+
+Thanks for getting me this far - any idea where I should be looking now?
+
+Anne
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+I'm trying to build some missing rpms that exist in Mandriva-contrib but
+not yet in Mageia... (most of them concern Computer Aided Music)
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+gig
+linuxsampler
+gigedit
+qsampler
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+linuxsampler depends on gig
+gigedit and qsampler depend on linuxsampler
+
+I use the same spec files and sources and patches as in Mandriva...
+(with minor cosmetic changes)
+
+It's OK for gig
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+
+But
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+I'm having problem with linuxsampler that could be built for
+Mandriva2010.2 but that can't be with Mageia2
+
+I get several times this kind of message when running rpmbuild -ba
+(before it aborts) :
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+../src/plugins/.libs/liblinuxsamplerplugins.a(InstrumentEditorFactory.o): In
+function `__exchange_and_add_dispatch':
+/usr/lib/gcc/i586-mageia-linux-gnu/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/ext/atomicity.h:80:
+undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
+
+../src/common/.libs/liblinuxsamplercommon.a(Path.o): In function
+`__exchange_and_add_dispatch':
+/usr/lib/gcc/i586-mageia-linux-gnu/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/ext/atomicity.h:80:
+undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
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+
+What may cause this ?
+libpthread-2.1.14-1.so is of course present and linked in /lib/ and
+/lib/i686
+
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+but there's an empty libpthread.so file in /usr/lib/
+(same as in Mandriva) does it induces any confusion ?
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+Any idea ?
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+Thanks for your help...
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+Philippe
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+I built several rpms for personal use this way and that the first time I
+get this kind of error...
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 21 september 2012 21:24:17 schreef PhilippeDidier:
+&gt;<i> Hi ! Happy packagers...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm trying to build some missing rpms that exist in Mandriva-contrib but
+</I>&gt;<i> not yet in Mageia... (most of them concern Computer Aided Music)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gig
+</I>&gt;<i> linuxsampler
+</I>&gt;<i> gigedit
+</I>&gt;<i> qsampler
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> linuxsampler depends on gig
+</I>&gt;<i> gigedit and qsampler depend on linuxsampler
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I use the same spec files and sources and patches as in Mandriva...
+</I>&gt;<i> (with minor cosmetic changes)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's OK for gig
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm having problem with linuxsampler that could be built for
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva2010.2 but that can't be with Mageia2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I get several times this kind of message when running rpmbuild -ba
+</I>&gt;<i> (before it aborts) :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ../src/plugins/.libs/liblinuxsamplerplugins.a(InstrumentEditorFactory.o): In
+</I>&gt;<i> function `__exchange_and_add_dispatch':
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mageia-linux-gnu/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/ext/a
+</I>&gt;<i> tomicity.h:80: undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ../src/common/.libs/liblinuxsamplercommon.a(Path.o): In function
+</I>&gt;<i> `__exchange_and_add_dispatch':
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mageia-linux-gnu/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/ext/a
+</I>&gt;<i> tomicity.h:80: undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
+</I>
+
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+make a small test program, that uses pthread_cancel and try to compile and
+link it.
+
+or you could find out with strings if that function is in there.
+
+lastly, i see you're building the .a file. don't do it and make it dynamic,
+that could also have been an issue. if not at least it'll make the problem
+alot more visible
+
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+&gt;<i> What may cause this ?
+</I>&gt;<i> libpthread-2.1.14-1.so is of course present and linked in /lib/ and
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib/i686
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but there's an empty libpthread.so file in /usr/lib/
+</I>&gt;<i> (same as in Mandriva) does it induces any confusion ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any idea ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for your help...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Philippe
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+&gt;<i> Hi ! Happy packagers...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm trying to build some missing rpms that exist in Mandriva-contrib but
+</I>&gt;<i> not yet in Mageia... (most of them concern Computer Aided Music)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gig
+</I>&gt;<i> linuxsampler
+</I>&gt;<i> gigedit
+</I>&gt;<i> qsampler
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> linuxsampler depends on gig
+</I>&gt;<i> gigedit and qsampler depend on linuxsampler
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I use the same spec files and sources and patches as in Mandriva...
+</I>&gt;<i> (with minor cosmetic changes)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's OK for gig
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm having problem with linuxsampler that could be built for
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva2010.2 but that can't be with Mageia2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I get several times this kind of message when running rpmbuild -ba
+</I>&gt;<i> (before it aborts) :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ../src/plugins/.libs/liblinuxsamplerplugins.a(InstrumentEditorFactory.o): In
+</I>&gt;<i> function `__exchange_and_add_dispatch':
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mageia-linux-gnu/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/ext/atomicity.h:80:
+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ../src/common/.libs/liblinuxsamplercommon.a(Path.o): In function
+</I>&gt;<i> `__exchange_and_add_dispatch':
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mageia-linux-gnu/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/ext/atomicity.h:80:
+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You need to add -lpthread to the linker options...
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+--
+Thomas
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+<PRE>AL13N a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 21 september 2012 21:24:17 schreef PhilippeDidier:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> make a small test program, that uses pthread_cancel and try to compile
+</I>and
+&gt;<i> link it.
+</I>
+when compiling (with gcc or g++) I've got this :
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+pthread_cancel.c:(.text+0xf0): undefined reference to `pthread_create'
+pthread_cancel.c:(.text+0x142): undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
+pthread_cancel.c:(.text+0x184): undefined reference to `pthread_join'
+
+
+when I compile with gcc -pthread -c
+it works...
+
+It seems to be a linkage problem !
+
+Is there anything to do on the computer so that I don't have to add the
+-pthread option to compile ?
+or something to add in the spec file ?
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or you could find out with strings if that function is in there.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> lastly, i see you're building the .a file. don't do it and make it
+</I>dynamic,
+&gt;<i> that could also have been an issue. if not at least it'll make the
+</I>problem
+&gt;<i> alot more visible
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I didn't change anything neither in the spec file nor in the source file
+that I could use on my mandriva 2010.2 engine
+
+(Franck Kober aka emuse maintainer of the music packages for Mandriva
+2011 didn't modify the spec file... no more)
+
+Thanks for your help !!
+
+Regards
+Philippe
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+<PRE>On 21/09/12 19:54, Anne Wilson wrote:
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 20/09/12 21:37, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If everything else fails, you may also inhibit IPv6 completly: just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> add 'install ipv6 /bin/true' in any file under /etc/modprobe.d, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reboot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Using MCC, I disabled IPv6 and rebooted. Now 'mount -a' on the client
+</I>&gt;<i> no longer talks about unsupported NFS version, but says
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.0.40:/home
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am UID 500 on both systems, so that's very strange.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for getting me this far - any idea where I should be looking now?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> - --
+</I>&gt;<i> Need KDE help? Try
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://userbase.kde.org">http://userbase.kde.org</A> or
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://forum.kde.org">http://forum.kde.org</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>Anne,
+Not sure if this is related, but did you apply Derek's patch? :-
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207#c79">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207#c79</A>
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+<PRE>On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:23:26 +0200 (CEST)
+fwang wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name : libusbx Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 1.0.13 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Fri Sep 21 07:22:24 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group :
+</I>&gt;<i> System/Libraries Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;<i> 434986 License: LGPLv2+ Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : fwang &lt;fwang&gt;
+</I>
+You need Obsoletes, Provides for the no longer created
+%{_lib}usbx1.0_0 ,%{_lib}usbx1.0-devel rpms.
+
+
+ Charles
+
+--
+To err is human, to purr feline.
+To err is human, two curs canine.
+To err is human, to moo bovine.
+----------------------
+Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+Registered Linux user #182463
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+ <B>PhilippeDidier</B>
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+&gt;<i> PhilippeDidier skrev 21.9.2012 22:24:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi ! Happy packagers...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm trying to build some missing rpms that exist in Mandriva-contrib but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not yet in Mageia... (most of them concern Computer Aided Music)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gig
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> linuxsampler
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gigedit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> qsampler
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> linuxsampler depends on gig
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gigedit and qsampler depend on linuxsampler
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I use the same spec files and sources and patches as in Mandriva...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (with minor cosmetic changes)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's OK for gig
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm having problem with linuxsampler that could be built for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva2010.2 but that can't be with Mageia2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I get several times this kind of message when running rpmbuild -ba
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (before it aborts) :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ../src/plugins/.libs/liblinuxsamplerplugins.a(InstrumentEditorFactory.o):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> function `__exchange_and_add_dispatch':
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mageia-linux-gnu/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/ext/atomicity.h:80:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ../src/common/.libs/liblinuxsamplercommon.a(Path.o): In function
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> `__exchange_and_add_dispatch':
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mageia-linux-gnu/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/ext/atomicity.h:80:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You need to add -lpthread to the linker options...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks Thomas ...
+
+
+I use a very simple spec file in which these parts were working for
+Mandriva :
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+%prep
+%setup -q -n %name-%version
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+%configure2_5x
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+I don't know where to add this option
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+I thought it was done by %configure (I can see the option -pthread in
+the CXXFLAGS of the different makefiles)
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+I tried to add
+CXXFLAGS=&quot;-lpthread&quot; in the spec but it didn't change anything ...
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+&gt;<i> %install
+</I>&gt;<i> make DESTDIR=%buildroot &#160;install
+</I>
+Use %makeinstall instead of the make DESTDIR command.
+It's shorter, and does the same. And it conforms to policy, if I'm not mistaken.
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+Is there any specific reason to disable it ?
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+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=96067">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=96067</A>
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+i was thinking of working on drakdisk a bit, but ran &quot;drakdisk&quot; from a konsole
+and i saw numerous warnings...
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+<A HREF="http://pastebin.com/5bsF9z1y">http://pastebin.com/5bsF9z1y</A>
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+i don't remember them having alot of those warnings though.
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+in any case, do you have a pointer on how to fix a few of them? i assume it
+would be beneficial to fix these?
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+<PRE>Le 21/09/2012 20:54, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 20/09/12 21:37, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If everything else fails, you may also inhibit IPv6 completly: just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> add 'install ipv6 /bin/true' in any file under /etc/modprobe.d, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reboot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Using MCC, I disabled IPv6 and rebooted. Now 'mount -a' on the client
+</I>&gt;<i> no longer talks about unsupported NFS version, but says
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.0.40:/home
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am UID 500 on both systems, so that's very strange.
+</I>If you're using NFSv4, uid don't matter, but username do. Check which
+version you're using exactly (mount -v on client side), and if
+rpc.idmapd is running on both side (service nfs-utils status on both side).
+
+Once again, 'mount -a' is not a debugging command.
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+<PRE>Le 22/09/2012 00:48, Barry Jackson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Not sure if this is related, but did you apply Derek's patch? :-
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207#c79">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207#c79</A>
+</I>Which has nothing to do with the underlying issue here, just with
+pushing discussable features to the configuration wizard, such as using
+a port scanner to find available servers on the LAN...
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+--
+BOFH excuse #136:
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+Daemons loose in system.
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+<PRE>Since update of libusb:
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+Installation failed:
+ file /usr/lib64/libusb-1.0.so.0.1.0 from install of
+lib64usb1.0_0-1.0.13-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+lib64usbx1.0_0-1.0.12-1.mga3.x86_64
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+&gt;<i> Since update of libusb:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed:
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/lib64/libusb-1.0.so.0.1.0 from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64usb1.0_0-1.0.13-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64usbx1.0_0-1.0.12-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>Hey,
+
+this is cauldron problem that was caused by my stupid mistake. I'm not 100% sure here, but
+--replacefiles should do the work. I didn't test tho'..
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+ <B>PhilippeDidier</B>
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+<PRE>Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Saturday 22 September 2012 02:45, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make DESTDIR=%buildroot install
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Use %makeinstall instead of the make DESTDIR command.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's shorter, and does the same. And it conforms to policy, if I'm not mistaken.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>thanks
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+<PRE>Le 22/09/2012 11:17, AL13N a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i was thinking of working on drakdisk a bit, but ran &quot;drakdisk&quot; from a konsole
+</I>&gt;<i> and i saw numerous warnings...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pastebin.com/5bsF9z1y">http://pastebin.com/5bsF9z1y</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't remember them having alot of those warnings though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in any case, do you have a pointer on how to fix a few of them? i assume it
+</I>&gt;<i> would be beneficial to fix these?
+</I>You already have explanations in the warning explanations themselves. I
+just fixed another one, but they are significative of the increasing
+mismatch between perl coding style in usage at mandriva and in the perl
+community in general.
+
+--
+BOFH excuse #412:
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+Radial Telemetry Infiltration
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+&gt;<i> Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Saturday 22 September 2012 02:45, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> make DESTDIR=%buildroot install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Use %makeinstall instead of the make DESTDIR command.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's shorter, and does the same. And it conforms to policy, if I'm not mistaken.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Philippe
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I really surrender !
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+I don't understand where the difference between Mandriva2010.2 and
+Mageia2 may stand ...
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+I wanted to try to package and test the softwares before requesting
+those rpms to be added in Mageia. (as I have often done in the past ...
+providing tested spec files to submitters)
+
+Here I'm stuck !!!
+
+If anyone want to try to import the srpms from Mandriva 2010.2 he's
+welcome...
+
+they must be packaged (and installed) in that order :
+gig
+linuxsampler
+gigedit
+qsampler
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+Perhaps it's only a problem on my own Mageia2 install (but where ?)
+
+Thanks again to Thomas AL13N Johnny ...
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+&gt;&gt;<i> You need to add -lpthread to the linker options...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks Thomas ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I use a very simple spec file in which these parts were working for
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %prep
+</I>&gt;<i> %setup -q -n %name-%version
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;<i> %configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;<i> %make
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %install
+</I>&gt;<i> make DESTDIR=%buildroot install
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know where to add this option
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I thought it was done by %configure (I can see the option -pthread in
+</I>&gt;<i> the CXXFLAGS of the different makefiles)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried to add
+</I>&gt;<i> CXXFLAGS=&quot;-lpthread&quot; in the spec but it didn't change anything ...
+</I>
+the linker flags use the LDFLAGS variable.
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+&gt;<i> Le 22/09/12 01:45,PhilippeDidier nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You need to add -lpthread to the linker options...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks Thomas ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I use a very simple spec file in which these parts were working for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %prep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %setup -q -n %name-%version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make DESTDIR=%buildroot install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know where to add this option
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I thought it was done by %configure (I can see the option -pthread in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the CXXFLAGS of the different makefiles)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I tried to add
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> CXXFLAGS=&quot;-lpthread&quot; in the spec but it didn't change anything ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the linker flags use the LDFLAGS variable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks a lot Pierre-Malo !
+
+I only modified this
+
+%build
+%configure2_5x
+%make LDFLAGS=&quot;-lpthread&quot;
+
+
+And it works now !!!!!!
+
+But I don't understand why I have to add this for Mageia2 when it is not
+needed for Mandriva ...
+Is there something badly configured on my system ?
+Is it a package problem in glibc-2.14.1-8.mga2 or in glibc-devel ?
+
+Does it reveal a Mageia's bug ?
+
+Thanks again !
+Philippe
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+&gt;<i> On Saturday 22 September 2012 02:45, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make DESTDIR=%buildroot install
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Use %makeinstall instead of the make DESTDIR command.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's shorter, and does the same. And it conforms to policy, if I'm not mistaken.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi Johnny
+
+I modified the spec file way you suggested but I got errors :
+The install process tried to write into /usr/lib instead of
+/home/philippe/rpm/BUILDROOT/linuxsampler-1.0.0-2.mga2.i386/usr/lib...
+fortunately there is no write access for me as simple user !!!
+
+of course this aborted the creation of rpms !
+
+reverting to :
+%install
+make DESTDIR=%buildroot install
+corrected this
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+Thanks anyway
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+Il 18/09/2012 21:04, Anne Nicolas ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
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+</I>&gt;<i> Due to personal constraints, I will not be able to organize
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+</I>&gt;<i> Il 18/09/2012 21:04, Anne Nicolas ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Due to personal constraints, I will not be able to organize
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> meetings on wednesday anymore. So either somebody does it or we can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> move it to tuesday, same hour.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Comments ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I usually can attend if I'm at home during the working days,
+</I>&gt;<i> so one day or another it's the same for me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When a decision is taken can you send an official email please,
+</I>&gt;<i> and if the day changed also update the calendar?
+</I>&gt;<i> (that is my real reminder :) )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>
+Sorry last week was *very* busy. So we will have our weekly meeting on
+Tuesday, 19hUTC
+
+So next one is on 25th.
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+Cheers
+
+
+&gt;<i> Angelo
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+&gt;<i> I really surrender ! I don't understand where the difference between
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva2010.2 and Mageia2 may stand ...
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+The compiler is different ;-)
+In fact, all the build chain is different, and it refuses now things
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+I have one netbook where gsm tries to start and I get this in :0-greeter.log:
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+libGL error: failed to load driver: i915
+libGL error: Try again with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose for more details.
+gnome-session-is-accelerated: No hardware 3D support.
+gnome-session-check-accelerated: Helper exited with code 256
+gnome-session[4008]: WARNING: Session 'gdm-shell' runnable check failed: Child process exited with code 1
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+The dri driver is there:
+one:~# ll /usr/lib64/dri
+total 28112
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 387520 2012.09.14 21:11 i915_dri.so*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 858376 2012.09.14 21:11 i965_dri.so*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 632896 2012.06.13 21:12 i965_drv_video.so*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5532184 2012.09.14 21:11 nouveau_dri.so*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 199080 2012.09.14 21:11 nouveau_vieux_dri.so*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 355240 2012.09.14 21:11 r200_dri.so*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4882696 2012.09.14 21:11 r300_dri.so*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4853080 2012.09.14 21:11 r600_dri.so*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 318136 2012.09.14 21:11 radeon_dri.so*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5831576 2012.09.14 21:11 radeonsi_dri.so*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4919096 2012.09.14 21:11 swrast_dri.so*
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+How can I debug this ?
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+<PRE>Le 22/09/12 14:26,PhilippeDidier nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+&gt;<i> Thanks a lot Pierre-Malo !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I only modified this
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;<i> %configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;<i> %make LDFLAGS=&quot;-lpthread&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And it works now !!!!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I don't understand why I have to add this for Mageia2 when it is not
+</I>&gt;<i> needed for Mandriva ...
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there something badly configured on my system ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it a package problem in glibc-2.14.1-8.mga2 or in glibc-devel ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does it reveal a Mageia's bug ?
+</I>
+It reveals that before the --as-needed option was activated by default,
+which led to some problems:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Overlinking_issues_in_packaging">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Overlinking_issues_in_packaging</A>
+So --as-needed is no longer used, but the underlinking happens ;-)
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Underlinking_issues_in_packaging">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Underlinking_issues_in_packaging</A>
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+Anyway, this is not a bug, just the consequence of different choices
+made for the distrib between Mandriva and Mageia.
+Cheers,
+--
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+<PRE>PhilippeDidier skrev 22.9.2012 16:26:
+&gt;<i> Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 22/09/12 01:45,PhilippeDidier nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You need to add -lpthread to the linker options...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks Thomas ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I use a very simple spec file in which these parts were working for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %prep
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %setup -q -n %name-%version
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %make
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> make DESTDIR=%buildroot install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know where to add this option
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I thought it was done by %configure (I can see the option -pthread in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the CXXFLAGS of the different makefiles)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I tried to add
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> CXXFLAGS=&quot;-lpthread&quot; in the spec but it didn't change anything ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the linker flags use the LDFLAGS variable.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks a lot Pierre-Malo !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I only modified this
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;<i> %configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;<i> %make LDFLAGS=&quot;-lpthread&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Not good. you are overriding default LDFLAGS...
+The proper fix is to add the flag in the Makefile that misses the needed
+linking...
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And it works now !!!!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I don't understand why I have to add this for Mageia2 when it is not
+</I>&gt;<i> needed for Mandriva ...
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there something badly configured on my system ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it a package problem in glibc-2.14.1-8.mga2 or in glibc-devel ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does it reveal a Mageia's bug ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+Nope. It's about under/overlinking, so the package you try to build,
+does not properly specify what it needs to be linked against.
+
+--
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+Thomas
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+On 22/09/12 11:01, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 21/09/2012 20:54, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 20/09/12 21:37, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If everything else fails, you may also inhibit IPv6 completly:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> just add 'install ipv6 /bin/true' in any file under
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/modprobe.d, and reboot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Using MCC, I disabled IPv6 and rebooted. Now 'mount -a' on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> client no longer talks about unsupported NFS version, but says
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 192.168.0.40:/home
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am UID 500 on both systems, so that's very strange.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you're using NFSv4, uid don't matter, but username do.
+</I>
+I always use 'anne' and UID 500, so that can't be the problem.
+
+&gt;<i> Check which version you're using exactly (mount -v on client side),
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Nope - that gives a verbose list of mounts, including virtual ones.
+'mount --version' says &quot;mount from util-linux 2.21.1 (with libblkid
+support)&quot;.
+
+and if
+&gt;<i> rpc.idmapd is running on both side (service nfs-utils status on
+</I>&gt;<i> both side).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This is driving me mad. 'service nfs-utils status' on the server
+tells me &quot;cannot find nfs-utils service&quot;.
+
+Package nfs-utils blahblah is already installed
+
+'service nfs-server start' [OK]
+
+chkconfig tells me that nfs-server is on for levels 2345
+
+What now?
+
+&gt;<i> Once again, 'mount -a' is not a debugging command.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Which is why I rely on people like you to teach me more :-D
+
+Out of curiosity, I created an nfs export on this laptop, and then
+tried to mount it on borg2. That also gives &quot;mount.nfs: access denied
+by server while mounting 192.168.0.20:/home/anne/Pictures
+
+Does this suggest anything?
+
+Anne
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+Just wondered whether these msec lines tell you anything useful -
+
+tcp 0 0 *:imaps *:*
+ LISTEN dovecot
+tcp 0 0 *:4001 *:*
+ LISTEN rpc.statd
+tcp 0 0 *:nfs *:*
+ LISTEN unfsd
+tcp 0 0 *:4002 *:*
+ LISTEN -
+tcp 0 0 *:2022 *:*
+ LISTEN sshd
+udp 0 0 borg2.lydgate.lan:902 *:*
+ rpc.statd
+udp 0 0 *:4001 *:*
+ rpc.statd
+udp 0 0 *:4002 *:*
+ -
+udp 0 0 *:nfs *:*
+ unfsd
+udp 0 0 *:58981 *:*
+ avahi-daemon: r
+udp 0 0 *:sunrpc *:*
+ rpcbind
+udp 0 0 *:ipp *:*
+ init
+udp 0 0 192.168.0.255:netbios-ns *:*
+ nmbd
+udp 0 0 borg2.lydgat:netbios-ns *:*
+ nmbd
+udp 0 0 *:netbios-ns *:*
+ nmbd
+udp 0 0 192.168.0.255:netbios-dgm *:*
+ nmbd
+udp 0 0 borg2.lydga:netbios-dgm *:*
+ nmbd
+udp 0 0 *:netbios-dgm *:*
+ nmbd
+udp 0 0 *:703 *:*
+ rpcbind
+
+It's not the whole report, but the section that seems to contain
+related processes.
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> PhilippeDidier skrev 22.9.2012 16:26:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 22/09/12 01:45,PhilippeDidier nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You need to add -lpthread to the linker options...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks Thomas ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I use a very simple spec file in which these parts were working for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %prep
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %setup -q -n %name-%version
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %make
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> make DESTDIR=%buildroot install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know where to add this option
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I thought it was done by %configure (I can see the option -pthread in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the CXXFLAGS of the different makefiles)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I tried to add
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> CXXFLAGS=&quot;-lpthread&quot; in the spec but it didn't change anything ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the linker flags use the LDFLAGS variable.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks a lot Pierre-Malo !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I only modified this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %make LDFLAGS=&quot;-lpthread&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not good. you are overriding default LDFLAGS...
+</I>&gt;<i> The proper fix is to add the flag in the Makefile that misses the needed
+</I>&gt;<i> linking...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And it works now !!!!!!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But I don't understand why I have to add this for Mageia2 when it is not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needed for Mandriva ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there something badly configured on my system ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it a package problem in glibc-2.14.1-8.mga2 or in glibc-devel ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Does it reveal a Mageia's bug ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nope. It's about under/overlinking, so the package you try to build,
+</I>&gt;<i> does not properly specify what it needs to be linked against.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks to both of you : I understand what happens
+and what to modify ...
+
+indeed the configured Makefile contains
+LDFLAGS option --as-needed htat worked for Mandriva !!!
+
+I need now to write a patch for the makefiles...
+to fix it in a better way than overriding LDFLAGS
+
+May we now suppress the --as-needed option for LDFLAGS in every makefile ?
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 22 september 2012 12:38:38 schreef Guillaume Rousse:
+&gt;<i> Le 22/09/2012 11:17, AL13N a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i was thinking of working on drakdisk a bit, but ran &quot;drakdisk&quot; from a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; konsole and i saw numerous warnings...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://pastebin.com/5bsF9z1y">http://pastebin.com/5bsF9z1y</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i don't remember them having alot of those warnings though.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in any case, do you have a pointer on how to fix a few of them? i assume
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; would be beneficial to fix these?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You already have explanations in the warning explanations themselves. I
+</I>&gt;<i> just fixed another one, but they are significative of the increasing
+</I>&gt;<i> mismatch between perl coding style in usage at mandriva and in the perl
+</I>&gt;<i> community in general.
+</I>
+is this something we (tv,jq,...) are continuing? or is there an effort to
+rewrite the code that's touched towards the perl way?
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+<PRE>Le 22/09/12 16:05,Anne Nicolas nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+&gt;<i> Le 22/09/2012 16:24, Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Il 18/09/2012 21:04, Anne Nicolas ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Due to personal constraints, I will not be able to organize
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> meetings on wednesday anymore. So either somebody does it or we can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> move it to tuesday, same hour.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Comments ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I usually can attend if I'm at home during the working days,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so one day or another it's the same for me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When a decision is taken can you send an official email please,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and if the day changed also update the calendar?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (that is my real reminder :) )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry last week was *very* busy. So we will have our weekly meeting on
+</I>&gt;<i> Tuesday, 19hUTC
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So next one is on 25th.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>
+Can someone update the calendar?
+
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/calendar/">http://www.mageia.org/en/calendar/</A>
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+Thanks,
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+<PRE>Le 22/09/2012 23:21, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 22/09/12 16:05,Anne Nicolas nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 22/09/2012 16:24, Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Il 18/09/2012 21:04, Anne Nicolas ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Due to personal constraints, I will not be able to organize
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> meetings on wednesday anymore. So either somebody does it or we can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> move it to tuesday, same hour.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Comments ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I usually can attend if I'm at home during the working days,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so one day or another it's the same for me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> When a decision is taken can you send an official email please,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and if the day changed also update the calendar?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (that is my real reminder :) )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry last week was *very* busy. So we will have our weekly meeting on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tuesday, 19hUTC
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So next one is on 25th.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone update the calendar?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/calendar/">http://www.mageia.org/en/calendar/</A>
+</I>
+done
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
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+&gt;<i> indeed the configured Makefile contains
+</I>&gt;<i> LDFLAGS option --as-needed htat worked for Mandriva !!!
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+</I>&gt;<i> I need now to write a patch for the makefiles...
+</I>&gt;<i> to fix it in a better way than overriding LDFLAGS
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> May we now suppress the --as-needed option for LDFLAGS in every makefile ?
+</I>
+No, you should not remove this option, this is the intended behavior.
+It just exposed a missing -l flag in the software you are packaging.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I have one netbook where gsm tries to start and I get this in :0-greeter.log:
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+</I>&gt;<i> libGL error: failed to load driver: i915
+</I>&gt;<i> libGL error: Try again with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose for more details.
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-session-is-accelerated: No hardware 3D support.
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+</I>&gt;<i> The dri driver is there:
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+&gt;<i> How can I debug this ?
+</I>
+Hi,
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+<PRE>Olivier Blin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> PhilippeDidier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> indeed the configured Makefile contains
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> LDFLAGS option --as-needed htat worked for Mandriva !!!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I need now to write a patch for the makefiles...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to fix it in a better way than overriding LDFLAGS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> May we now suppress the --as-needed option for LDFLAGS in every makefile ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, you should not remove this option, this is the intended behavior.
+</I>&gt;<i> It just exposed a missing -l flag in the software you are packaging.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The proper fix, as Thomas said, is to patch the Makefile to add the
+</I>&gt;<i> -lpthread flag where appropriate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ok !
+That's what I try...but there are several makefiles !
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+&gt;<i> and if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpc.idmapd is running on both side (service nfs-utils status on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> both side).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is driving me mad. 'service nfs-utils status' on the server
+</I>&gt;<i> tells me &quot;cannot find nfs-utils service&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Package nfs-utils blahblah is already installed
+</I>nfs-common service, sorry.
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+On 23/09/12 07:04, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 22/09/2012 20:53, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and if
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rpc.idmapd is running on both side (service nfs-utils status
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on both side).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is driving me mad. 'service nfs-utils status' on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> server tells me &quot;cannot find nfs-utils service&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Package nfs-utils blahblah is already installed
+</I>&gt;<i> nfs-common service, sorry.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That may well point to the problem, though I've no idea what needs
+doing to solve it:
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+service nfs-commons status
+Cannot find nfs-commons service
+Usage: service -[Rfshv] SERVICE ARGUMENTS
+ -f|--full-restart: Do a fullrestart of the service.
+ -R|--full-restart-all: Do a fullrestart of all running services.
+ -s|--status-all: Print a status of all services.
+ --ignore-dependencies: Do not start required systemd services
+ --skip-redirect: Do not redirect to systemd
+ -d|--debug: Launch with debug.
+ -h|--help: This help.
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at borg2</A> ~]# service nfs-common status
+nfs-common.service - LSB: NFS support files common to client and server
+ Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/nfs-common)
+ Active: active (running) since Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:34:49
++0100; 14h ago
+ Process: 1550 ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/init.d/nfs-common start
+(code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
+ CGroup: name=systemd:/system/nfs-common.service
+ &#9500; 1585 rpc.statd --port 4001
+ &#9492; 1622 rpc.idmapd
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+Sep 22 19:34:49 borg2.lydgate.lan nfs-common[1550]: Starting NFS
+common utilities
+Sep 22 19:34:49 borg2.lydgate.lan rpc.statd[1585]: Version 1.2.5 starting
+Sep 22 19:34:49 borg2.lydgate.lan rpc.statd[1585]: Running as root.
+chown /var/lib/nfs...er
+Sep 22 19:34:49 borg2.lydgate.lan rpc.statd[1585]: Could not make a
+socket: (97) Addres...ol
+Sep 22 19:34:49 borg2.lydgate.lan rpc.statd[1585]: Could not make a
+socket: (97) Addres...ol
+Sep 22 19:34:49 borg2.lydgate.lan nfs-common[1550]: Starting
+rpc.statd[ OK ]
+Sep 22 19:34:49 borg2.lydgate.lan nfs-common[1550]: Starting
+rpc.idmapd[ OK ]
+nfs-common.service - LSB: NFS support files common to client and server
+ Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/nfs-common)
+ Active: active (running) since Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:34:49
++0100; 14h ago
+ Process: 1550 ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/init.d/nfs-common start
+(code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
+ CGroup: name=systemd:/system/nfs-common.service
+ &#9500; 1585 rpc.statd --port 4001
+ &#9492; 1622 rpc.idmapd
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+Sep 22 19:34:49 borg2.lydgate.lan nfs-common[1550]: Starting NFS
+common utilities
+Sep 22 19:34:49 borg2.lydgate.lan rpc.statd[1585]: Version 1.2.5 starting
+Sep 22 19:34:49 borg2.lydgate.lan rpc.statd[1585]: Running as root.
+chown /var/lib/nfs...er
+Sep 22 19:34:49 borg2.lydgate.lan rpc.statd[1585]: Could not make a
+socket: (97) Addres...ol
+Sep 22 19:34:49 borg2.lydgate.lan rpc.statd[1585]: Could not make a
+socket: (97) Addres...ol
+Sep 22 19:34:49 borg2.lydgate.lan nfs-common[1550]: Starting
+rpc.statd[ OK ]
+Sep 22 19:34:49 borg2.lydgate.lan nfs-common[1550]: Starting
+rpc.idmapd[ OK ]
+
+Why can it not make a socket? Those truncated lines don't help much,
+and I can't find any reference to this in the logs.
+
+Anne
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+is that a bug that all default fonts on kdm, firefox, terminal titles
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+</I>&gt;<i> That's what I try...but there are several makefiles !
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+You may want to try the latest dev version from the linuxsampler svn as
+many issues may already be fixed upstream.
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> is that a bug that all default fonts on kdm, firefox, terminal titles
+</I>&gt;<i> changed to an ugly one? ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> chris.
+</I>
+I noticed the change...
+but on my machine it looks like an improvement :-)
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+I don't know if just my eyesight or the change is having different effects on
+different set ups.
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+&gt;<i> PhilippeDidier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> indeed the configured Makefile contains
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> LDFLAGS option --as-needed htat worked for Mandriva !!!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I need now to write a patch for the makefiles...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to fix it in a better way than overriding LDFLAGS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> May we now suppress the --as-needed option for LDFLAGS in every makefile ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, you should not remove this option, this is the intended behavior.
+</I>&gt;<i> It just exposed a missing -l flag in the software you are packaging.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The proper fix, as Thomas said, is to patch the Makefile to add the
+</I>&gt;<i> -lpthread flag where appropriate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hello !
+Some news :
+Indeed it was more difficult than I thought :
+There were 21 different Makefile.in in 21 directories to modify :
+I wrote a patch that replaces
+-LDFLAGS = @LDFLAGS@
+by
++LDFLAGS = @LDFLAGS@ -lpthread
+in each of them...
+
+Now each Makefile contains :
+LDFLAGS = -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,--no-undefined -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1
+-Wl,--build-id -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -lpthread
+
+
+And I discover that my first workaround was indeed bad :
+I used
+%build
+%configure2_5x
+%make LDFLAGS=&quot;-lpthread&quot;
+
+instead of
+%build
+%configure2_5x
+%make
+
+this allowed to package and I felt happy ;) ... but wrongly happy :(
+
+
+Now that I use a correct LDFLAGS I got new errors about other undefined
+references (thanks to --as-needed option)
+... and I feel sad :(
+
+There came now undefined references to 'dlopen' 'dlerror' 'dlclose'
+
+I had to add -ldl to each Makefile.in
+
+And now it's OK
+
+Thanks to all of you ! I'm now less ignorant than I was ...
+
+But packaging for Mageia will need more skill and more time than for
+Mandriva ... and more patches ! (hope it's worth of it)
+
+I will provide my spec and patch files to anyone (perhaps through
+bugzilla with a package request)
+
+Regards
+Philippe
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+&gt;<i> On 22/09/12 23:02, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's what I try...but there are several makefiles !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You may want to try the latest dev version from the linuxsampler svn as
+</I>&gt;<i> many issues may already be fixed upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This will produce a current linuxsampler.tar.gz to test with:-
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> svn co <A HREF="https://svn.linuxsampler.org/svn/linuxsampler/trunk">https://svn.linuxsampler.org/svn/linuxsampler/trunk</A> linuxsampler
+</I>&gt;<i> tar -czf linuxsampler.tar.gz linuxsampler/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Barry
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks for the information...
+I was first trying to write a working spec file and a patch file to
+package it...
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+Now it works ! :) :)
+I will try later to use the latest dev version (that wouldn't have
+resolved the problem I encountered).
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+<PRE>23.09.2012 16:19, PhilippeDidier skrev:
+&gt;<i> Olivier Blin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PhilippeDidier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> indeed the configured Makefile contains
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> LDFLAGS option --as-needed htat worked for Mandriva !!!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I need now to write a patch for the makefiles...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to fix it in a better way than overriding LDFLAGS
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> May we now suppress the --as-needed option for LDFLAGS in every makefile ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, you should not remove this option, this is the intended behavior.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It just exposed a missing -l flag in the software you are packaging.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The proper fix, as Thomas said, is to patch the Makefile to add the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -lpthread flag where appropriate.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello !
+</I>&gt;<i> Some news :
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed it was more difficult than I thought :
+</I>&gt;<i> There were 21 different Makefile.in in 21 directories to modify :
+</I>&gt;<i> I wrote a patch that replaces
+</I>&gt;<i> -LDFLAGS = @LDFLAGS@
+</I>&gt;<i> by
+</I>&gt;<i> +LDFLAGS = @LDFLAGS@ -lpthread
+</I>&gt;<i> in each of them...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And now you are overlinking :)
+
+You only need to patch the Makefile(s) that is responsible for
+building the code that relies on pthread
+
+
+&gt;<i> Now each Makefile contains :
+</I>&gt;<i> LDFLAGS = -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,--no-undefined -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1
+</I>&gt;<i> -Wl,--build-id -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -lpthread
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And I discover that my first workaround was indeed bad :
+</I>&gt;<i> I used
+</I>&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;<i> %configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;<i> %make LDFLAGS=&quot;-lpthread&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of
+</I>&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;<i> %configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;<i> %make
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this allowed to package and I felt happy ;) ... but wrongly happy :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now that I use a correct LDFLAGS I got new errors about other undefined
+</I>&gt;<i> references (thanks to --as-needed option)
+</I>&gt;<i> ... and I feel sad :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There came now undefined references to 'dlopen' 'dlerror' 'dlclose'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I had to add -ldl to each Makefile.in
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And overlinking again :)
+
+&gt;<i> And now it's OK
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks to all of you ! I'm now less ignorant than I was ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But packaging for Mageia will need more skill and more time than for
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva ... and more patches ! (hope it's worth of it)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Of course it is worth it...
+By finding and fixing issues like this (and also send the fix upstream)
+the quality of the code is improving...
+
+&gt;<i> I will provide my spec and patch files to anyone (perhaps through
+</I>&gt;<i> bugzilla with a package request)
+</I>
+
+--
+
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> On 22/09/12 23:02, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's what I try...but there are several makefiles !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You may want to try the latest dev version from the linuxsampler svn as
+</I>&gt;<i> many issues may already be fixed upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This will produce a current linuxsampler.tar.gz to test with:-
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> svn co <A HREF="https://svn.linuxsampler.org/svn/linuxsampler/trunk">https://svn.linuxsampler.org/svn/linuxsampler/trunk</A> linuxsampler
+</I>&gt;<i> tar -czf linuxsampler.tar.gz linuxsampler/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Barry
+</I>
+&quot;svn export&quot; gives a better tarball...
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+ <I>Mon Sep 24 00:42:58 CEST 2012</I>
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+After latest updates GDM works again, but
+I get a sad-computer-screen-of-death when I try to log in in Gnome.
+The culprit seems to be the gnome-shell / polkit interaction.
+With startx from vconsole I get this on .xsession-errors:
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+Window manager warning: Log level 16: Unable to register authentication agent: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject
+ JS ERROR: !!! Exception was: Polkit.Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject
+ JS ERROR: !!! message = '&quot;GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject&quot;'
+ JS ERROR: !!! fileName = '&quot;/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/components/polkitAgent.js&quot;'
+ JS ERROR: !!! lineNumber = '329'
+ JS ERROR: !!! stack = '&quot;0 anonymous()@/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/components/polkitAgent.js:329
+1 wrapper()@/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:204
+2 anonymous(&quot;name&quot; = &quot;&quot;polkitAgent&quot;&quot;)@/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/components/__init__.js:56
+3 wrapper(&quot;&quot;polkitAgent&quot;&quot;)@/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:204
+4 anonymous(&quot;name&quot; = &quot;&quot;polkitAgent&quot;&quot;, 1, [object Array])@/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/components/__init__.js:22
+5 anonymous()@/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/components/__init__.js:21
+6 wrapper()@/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:204
+7 anonymous()@/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/components/__init__.js:13
+8 wrapper()@/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:204
+9 anonymous()@/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:145
+10 anonymous()@/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:239
+11 start()@/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/main.js:150
+12 &lt;TOP LEVEL&gt;@&lt;main&gt;:1
+&quot;'
+
+If I comment this in /usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/components/polkitAgent.js, at least I
+can log in again:
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+ enable: function() {
+ //this._native.register();
+ },
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+ disable: function() {
+ //this._native.unregister();
+ },
+
+I have this versions of polkit:
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+lib64polkit1_0-0.107-1.mga3 x86_64
+lib64polkit-gir1.0-0.107-1.mga3 x86_64
+polkit-0.107-1.mga3 x86_64
+polkit-desktop-policy-0.107-1.mga3 noarch
+polkit-gnome-0.105-1.mga2 x86_64
+
+Perhaps polkit-gnome is out of sync ?
+
+TIA
+
+--
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Winter is coming...
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> is that a bug that all default fonts on kdm, firefox, terminal titles
+</I>&gt;<i> changed to an ugly one? ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> chris.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It is not ugly for me, but some char like &quot;, : are not displayed
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+<PRE>Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for
+</I>&gt;<i> final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we
+</I>&gt;<i> need to take some decisions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments
+</I>&gt;<i> and review about Mageia on the web.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide a full open source software version
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having
+</I>&gt;<i> low band-width or paying depending how much they use it)
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide live version(s)
+</I>&gt;<i> - decrease isos number. QA is just a hell on the set we had for Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide localization as large as possible
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide isos including major drivers including proprietary one to make
+</I>&gt;<i> it easier to install and configure
+</I>...
+&gt;<i> Please add all explanations to your proposal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let say we take one week on this so until 26/09 then we will make a
+</I>&gt;<i> final proposal
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>My suggestions :
+*Non-live isos*
+1 dual cd with proprietory firmware/drivers
+-- based on comments by Alien and others
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+1 dvd 32-bit with proprietory firmware/drivers
+-- we could ask at the beginning something like
+&quot;This disc can install proprietory firmware or drivers needed by your
+hardware. Do you want to :
+1) Install such software automatically,
+2) Ask for each such software, or
+3) Never install such software.&quot;
+
+That way users can accept or avoid such software as they wish.
+At the same time, users will never be stuck. This will be particularly
+useful for new users, especially those who found the dvd in a magazine.
+Also users preferring no non-free, including firmware or drivers, could
+simply resinstall accepting certain firmware/drivers after finding that
+their hardware doesn't work properly.
+-- It seems unlikely that magazines would care about the free/nonfree
+issue, as long as the software is redistributable without cost. And I'm
+only talking about firmware/drivers where a reliable free version
+doesn't exist.
+
+*Live isos*
+1 live (installable like current dvds) dvd 64-bit with
+kde/gnome/lxde/xfce and all localizations, and the proprietory
+firmware/drivers now found on live cds.
+-- variation of suggestion by Sander
+-- this replaces both the current 64-bit dvd + 8 live cds
+-- it seems much less likely that 64-bit users will have the download
+bandwidth problems of many 32-bit users. (If I'm not mistaken.)
+-- users with 64-bit machines could still use a 32-bit live cd if they wish.
+-- This should save a lot of problems testing, as many potential testers
+don't have 64-bit machines available.
+
+8 live cds 32-bit; kde or gnome; 4 localisation groups
+-- users with 32-bit machines are more likely to have bandwidth
+problems, or to not have dvd writers.
+
+This totals 11 isos, down from 19. (reduced by 8 live cds.)
+
+Note that I didn't include an iso without proprietory firmware/drivers,
+as with appropriate warnings on those with, an iso without would be
+redundant. Just unnecessarily increasing the testing workload.
+
+Note also that it would be useful to have a file in the iso directory
+listing the languages available on the various live cds. (Lacking for
+mga2, but did exist for mandriva.)
+
+A final point - to me it is really important to be able to upgrade an
+existing installation, instead of forcing a clean install. This allows
+the user to more easily keep their current configuration, and in some
+cases essential drivers/firmware not on the iso. Referring to the dvds
+and the dual cd, and not the live cds, which are not primarily for
+installation.
+
+my 2 cents :)
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+--
+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Package nfs-utils blahblah is already installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-common service, sorry.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That may well point to the problem, though I've no idea what needs
+</I>&gt;<i> doing to solve it:
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+</I>&gt;<i> service nfs-commons status
+</I>&gt;<i> Cannot find nfs-commons service
+</I>
+that's &quot;nfs-common&quot; without a &quot;s&quot; at end...
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+On 24/09/12 08:26, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 23 September 2012 11:18, Anne Wilson
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cannewilson at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Package nfs-utils blahblah is already installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-common service, sorry.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That may well point to the problem, though I've no idea what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needs doing to solve it:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> service nfs-commons status Cannot find nfs-commons service
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> that's &quot;nfs-common&quot; without a &quot;s&quot; at end...
+</I>
+Yes - you'll see that I immediately realised that. I didn't intend to
+include that bit in the quote, though. The rest of it is what I
+wanted to show you.
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>andre999 skrev 24.9.2012 09:57:
+&gt;<i> Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> need to take some decisions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and review about Mageia on the web.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide a full open source software version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> low band-width or paying depending how much they use it)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide live version(s)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - decrease isos number. QA is just a hell on the set we had for Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide localization as large as possible
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - provide isos including major drivers including proprietary one to make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it easier to install and configure
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please add all explanations to your proposal.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Let say we take one week on this so until 26/09 then we will make a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> final proposal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My suggestions :
+</I>&gt;<i> *Non-live isos*
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 dual cd with proprietory firmware/drivers
+</I>&gt;<i> -- based on comments by Alien and others
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 dvd 32-bit with proprietory firmware/drivers
+</I>
+
+you do realize that this is a no-go as we already have problem fitting
+even LXDE on dual isos (as you only have ~350M / arch for rpms and
+installer, so trying to load a lot of extra fw and drivers on wont work.
+
+And yes, we already hardlink noarch packages
+
+
+&gt;<i> -- we could ask at the beginning something like
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;This disc can install proprietory firmware or drivers needed by your
+</I>&gt;<i> hardware. Do you want to :
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) Install such software automatically,
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) Ask for each such software, or
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) Never install such software.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That way users can accept or avoid such software as they wish.
+</I>&gt;<i> At the same time, users will never be stuck. This will be particularly
+</I>&gt;<i> useful for new users, especially those who found the dvd in a magazine.
+</I>&gt;<i> Also users preferring no non-free, including firmware or drivers, could
+</I>&gt;<i> simply resinstall accepting certain firmware/drivers after finding that
+</I>&gt;<i> their hardware doesn't work properly.
+</I>
+As with all suggestions to mod the installer, we still need someone to
+do the work, not just expect that &quot;someone&quot; will do it...
+
+&gt;<i> -- It seems unlikely that magazines would care about the free/nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> issue, as long as the software is redistributable without cost. And I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> only talking about firmware/drivers where a reliable free version
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't exist.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *Live isos*
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 live (installable like current dvds) dvd 64-bit with
+</I>&gt;<i> kde/gnome/lxde/xfce and all localizations, and the proprietory
+</I>&gt;<i> firmware/drivers now found on live cds.
+</I>&gt;<i> -- variation of suggestion by Sander
+</I>&gt;<i> -- this replaces both the current 64-bit dvd + 8 live cds
+</I>&gt;<i> -- it seems much less likely that 64-bit users will have the download
+</I>&gt;<i> bandwidth problems of many 32-bit users. (If I'm not mistaken.)
+</I>
+
+You are kidding, right ?
+Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees
+to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have,
+and so on...
+
+
+&gt;<i> -- users with 64-bit machines could still use a 32-bit live cd if they
+</I>&gt;<i> wish.
+</I>&gt;<i> -- This should save a lot of problems testing, as many potential testers
+</I>&gt;<i> don't have 64-bit machines available.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 8 live cds 32-bit; kde or gnome; 4 localisation groups
+</I>&gt;<i> -- users with 32-bit machines are more likely to have bandwidth
+</I>&gt;<i> problems, or to not have dvd writers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This totals 11 isos, down from 19. (reduced by 8 live cds.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that I didn't include an iso without proprietory firmware/drivers,
+</I>&gt;<i> as with appropriate warnings on those with, an iso without would be
+</I>&gt;<i> redundant. Just unnecessarily increasing the testing workload.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note also that it would be useful to have a file in the iso directory
+</I>&gt;<i> listing the languages available on the various live cds. (Lacking for
+</I>&gt;<i> mga2, but did exist for mandriva.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+Not so... every livecd is has a matching *.lang:
+
+<A HREF="http://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/iso/2/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.langs">http://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/iso/2/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.langs</A>
+
+
+And this page lists the langs on the isos too:
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/</A>
+
+
+&gt;<i> A final point - to me it is really important to be able to upgrade an
+</I>&gt;<i> existing installation, instead of forcing a clean install. This allows
+</I>
+DVDs and netinstalls already support upgrades...
+(DVDs will still always have some problem unless you add online medias,
+ as we cant fit all of the online repos on the DVDs)
+
+The mga3 upgrade path will need more work due to UsrMove, but it
+should still be possible...
+
+&gt;<i> the user to more easily keep their current configuration, and in some
+</I>&gt;<i> cases essential drivers/firmware not on the iso. Referring to the dvds
+</I>&gt;<i> and the dual cd, and not the live cds, which are not primarily for
+</I>&gt;<i> installation.
+</I>
+I guess you mean livecds _are_ meant for installation, not upgrades
+
+--
+
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> I noticed the change...
+</I>&gt;<i> but on my machine it looks like an improvement
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know if just my eyesight or the change is having different effects on
+</I>&gt;<i> different set ups.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm using X86-64 with a Radeon graphics card
+</I>
+On 24/09/12 08:31, Liutauras Adomaitis wrote:
+&gt;<i> It is not ugly for me, but some char like &quot;, : are not displayed
+</I>&gt;<i> correctly on Firefox. Not sure if this is related.
+</I>
+
+Thanks for your answers!
+On my system it is indeed quite bad, the font is smaller than before and
+aliased which makes it tiring to read. I am using &quot;ati&quot; driver.
+
+Does someone knows how to set the font, or revert to the old one?
+
+Cheers,
+Chris.
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+<PRE>Em 24-09-2012 09:55, Thomas Backlund escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees
+</I>&gt;<i> to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have,
+</I>&gt;<i> and so on...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, we can't keep the same service to users without keeping the same
+number of medias. And we NEED to reduce this number. So let's only
+decide if DVD keeps without nonfree or not. A poll? Both choices will
+keep the same numbers of medias.
+
+As far as I can see, the easiest way to REDUCE media number is to switch
+Live medias from 700MB to at most DVD size :
+
+- It removes the different localized version, it is 40% medias less.
+- It does not remove ALL CD-R solutions, as we long as keep DualArch and
+boot.iso media.
+- It fits in most current USB keys (4GB is the lowest size I can see in
+shops).
+
+Yes, it removes supports for some old hardware solutions, which I
+install often, but we can't keep testing 19 medias. We have still lack
+of QA people!
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+<PRE>zezinho skrev 24.9.2012 12:52:
+&gt;<i> Em 24-09-2012 09:55, Thomas Backlund escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and so on...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, we can't keep the same service to users without keeping the same
+</I>&gt;<i> number of medias. And we NEED to reduce this number. So let's only
+</I>&gt;<i> decide if DVD keeps without nonfree or not. A poll? Both choices will
+</I>&gt;<i> keep the same numbers of medias.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sorry, my response got somewhat easy to misunderstand :)
+
+I meant it only as a response to the:
+&quot;it seems much less likely that 64-bit users will have the download
+bandwidth problems of many 32-bit users.&quot;
+
+&gt;<i> As far as I can see, the easiest way to REDUCE media number is to switch
+</I>&gt;<i> Live medias from 700MB to at most DVD size :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - It removes the different localized version, it is 40% medias less.
+</I>&gt;<i> - It does not remove ALL CD-R solutions, as we long as keep DualArch and
+</I>&gt;<i> boot.iso media.
+</I>&gt;<i> - It fits in most current USB keys (4GB is the lowest size I can see in
+</I>&gt;<i> shops).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+But many people have only 1-2GB sticks they could re-use ...
+Not everyone can go out and buy new hw all the time...
+
+And the downside of getting bigger live images is that they
+do get slower to boot...
+
+&gt;<i> Yes, it removes supports for some old hardware solutions, which I
+</I>&gt;<i> install often, but we can't keep testing 19 medias. We have still lack
+</I>&gt;<i> of QA people!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, I know... I've been doing ISO qa :)
+we do need to reduce the media sets...
+which is why I earlier in this thread suggested:
+- 1 i586 GNOME english liveCD (&quot;works everywhere&quot;)
+- 1 i586 KDE english liveCD (&quot;works everywhere&quot;)
+
+- 1 i586 GNOME all-lang liveDVD
+- 1 i586 KDE all-lang liveDVD
+
+- 1 x86_64 GNOME all-lang liveDVD
+- 1 x86_64 KDE all-lang liveDVD
+
+That would bring the live* media down from 16 -&gt; 6
+
+
+And as data point...
+With current mga2 livecd package config, building a liveDVD for one
+arch/DE results in a liveDVD image with ~ 1GB image size
+
+
+If we squash more than one DE on the same liveDVD there will be some
+questions:
+
+- Which DM will we use ? GDM? KDM? XDM? ...?
+
+Then we get the complaints:
+- &quot;why should I need to download KDE stuff when I want GNOME&quot;?
+- &quot;why should I need to download GNOME stuff when I want KDE&quot;?
+- &quot;why ...&quot;
+
+and the technical side:
+- stuffing more than one DE on liveDVDs means altering build process,
+ also giving more problem for little if any gain....
+- every DE on liveDVDs still need to be validated, so no less testing/QA
+- it means testing G/K/XDM starting GNOME/KDE/... so no less testing/QA
+- ...
+
+--
+
+Thomas
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+<PRE>On 09/24/2012 12:42 AM, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After latest updates GDM works again, but
+</I>&gt;<i> I get a sad-computer-screen-of-death when I try to log in in Gnome.
+</I>&gt;<i> The culprit seems to be the gnome-shell / polkit interaction.
+</I>&gt;<i> With startx from vconsole I get this on .xsession-errors:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Window manager warning: Log level 16: Unable to register authentication agent: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject
+</I>&gt;<i> JS ERROR: !!! Exception was: Polkit.Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject
+</I>&gt;<i> JS ERROR: !!! message = '&quot;GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject&quot;'
+</I>&gt;<i> JS ERROR: !!! fileName = '&quot;/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/components/polkitAgent.js&quot;'
+</I>&gt;<i> JS ERROR: !!! lineNumber = '329'
+</I>&gt;<i> JS ERROR: !!! stack = '&quot;0 anonymous()@/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/components/polkitAgent.js:329
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 wrapper()@/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:204
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 anonymous(&quot;name&quot; = &quot;&quot;polkitAgent&quot;&quot;)@/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/components/__init__.js:56
+</I>&gt;<i> 3 wrapper(&quot;&quot;polkitAgent&quot;&quot;)@/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:204
+</I>&gt;<i> 4 anonymous(&quot;name&quot; = &quot;&quot;polkitAgent&quot;&quot;, 1, [object Array])@/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/components/__init__.js:22
+</I>&gt;<i> 5 anonymous()@/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/components/__init__.js:21
+</I>&gt;<i> 6 wrapper()@/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:204
+</I>&gt;<i> 7 anonymous()@/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/components/__init__.js:13
+</I>&gt;<i> 8 wrapper()@/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:204
+</I>&gt;<i> 9 anonymous()@/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:145
+</I>&gt;<i> 10 anonymous()@/usr/share/gjs-1.0/lang.js:239
+</I>&gt;<i> 11 start()@/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/main.js:150
+</I>&gt;<i> 12 &lt;TOP LEVEL&gt;@&lt;main&gt;:1
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I comment this in /usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/components/polkitAgent.js, at least I
+</I>&gt;<i> can log in again:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> enable: function() {
+</I>&gt;<i> //this._native.register();
+</I>&gt;<i> },
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> disable: function() {
+</I>&gt;<i> //this._native.unregister();
+</I>&gt;<i> },
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have this versions of polkit:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64polkit1_0-0.107-1.mga3 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64polkit-gir1.0-0.107-1.mga3 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> polkit-0.107-1.mga3 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> polkit-desktop-policy-0.107-1.mga3 noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> polkit-gnome-0.105-1.mga2 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps polkit-gnome is out of sync ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> TIA
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+ From what I looked in Google, they are all the latest versions.
+I solved the issue uncomenting those lines and adding this:
+
+AutostartCondition=GNOME3 unless-session gnome
+
+in /etc/xdg/autostart/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop, as
+explained here:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/gnome/polkit-gnome.html">http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/gnome/polkit-gnome.html</A>
+
+Is this right for Mageia, or should the tags &quot;GNOME3&quot; and &quot;gnome&quot; changed
+to something else ? Is this worth a bug report ?
+
+TIA
+
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+eatdirt &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dirteat at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> is that a bug that all default fonts on kdm, firefox, terminal titles
+</I>&gt;<i> changed to an ugly one? ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I noticed the change too on my system - Mageia 3/Cauldron x86-64 , KDE 4.9.1,
+Core i3 machine.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> chris.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> Hello !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some news :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed it was more difficult than I thought :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There were 21 different Makefile.in in 21 directories to modify :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I wrote a patch that replaces
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -LDFLAGS = @LDFLAGS@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +LDFLAGS = @LDFLAGS@ -lpthread
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in each of them...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And now you are overlinking :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You only need to patch the Makefile(s) that is responsible for
+</I>&gt;<i> building the code that relies on pthread
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hey ! You ! you are a happiness breaker :-(
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now each Makefile contains :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> LDFLAGS = -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,--no-undefined -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Wl,--build-id -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -lpthread
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And I discover that my first workaround was indeed bad :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I used
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %make LDFLAGS=&quot;-lpthread&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instead of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %configure2_5x
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this allowed to package and I felt happy ;) ... but wrongly happy :(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now that I use a correct LDFLAGS I got new errors about other undefined
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> references (thanks to --as-needed option)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ... and I feel sad :(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There came now undefined references to 'dlopen' 'dlerror' 'dlclose'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I had to add -ldl to each Makefile.in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And overlinking again :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Argh !
+You killed me ;-(
+
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> And now it's OK
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks to all of you ! I'm now less ignorant than I was ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But packaging for Mageia will need more skill and more time than for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva ... and more patches ! (hope it's worth of it)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course it is worth it...
+</I>&gt;<i> By finding and fixing issues like this (and also send the fix upstream)
+</I>&gt;<i> the quality of the code is improving...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>You gave me some more work indeed :
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> I will provide my spec and patch files to anyone (perhaps through
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bugzilla with a package request)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Mageia will have to wait for sometime :...
+There are 21 makefiles
+There are 0 or 1 or 2 links to add to them (but which of them really
+need the added links ?)
+Than means some combinations to try :
+2 square to the power of 21 = 2097152 if I blindly test all of them !
+If I win early I will try the casino
+;-)
+
+I will try a rational approach to decrease the number of tests to do...
+
+Anyway... Did you think that inactivating the --as needed option will
+imply so much time to build only one package ?
+
+I really am afraid with this !
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Regards
+Philippe
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+<PRE>PhilippeDidier skrev 24.9.2012 14:25:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hey ! You ! you are a happiness breaker :-(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Argh !
+</I>&gt;<i> You killed me ;-(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nope, just showing how to learn about and fix some problems :)
+
+&gt;<i> Mageia will have to wait for sometime :...
+</I>&gt;<i> There are 21 makefiles
+</I>&gt;<i> There are 0 or 1 or 2 links to add to them (but which of them really
+</I>&gt;<i> need the added links ?)
+</I>&gt;<i> Than means some combinations to try :
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 square to the power of 21 = 2097152 if I blindly test all of them !
+</I>&gt;<i> If I win early I will try the casino
+</I>&gt;<i> ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will try a rational approach to decrease the number of tests to do...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+Actually the way to fix it is to look at the error to help narrow down
+where the fix is needed:
+
+../src/plugins/.libs/liblinuxsamplerplugins.a(InstrumentEditorFactory.o): In
+function `__exchange_and_add_dispatch':
+/usr/lib/gcc/i586-mageia-linux-gnu/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/ext/atomicity.h:80:
+undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
+
+../src/common/.libs/liblinuxsamplercommon.a(Path.o): In function
+`__exchange_and_add_dispatch':
+/usr/lib/gcc/i586-mageia-linux-gnu/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/ext/atomicity.h:80:
+undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
+
+
+so the files that uses &quot;pthread_cancel&quot;, need linking help.
+in this case the Makefiles responsible for the build of
+&quot;liblinuxsamplerplugins&quot; and &quot;liblinuxsamplercommon&quot; are the
+ones you need to fix..
+
+
+Same goes for the:
+&quot;There came now undefined references to 'dlopen' 'dlerror' 'dlclose'
+
+I had to add -ldl to each Makefile.in&quot;
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+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> PhilippeDidier skrev 24.9.2012 14:25:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hey ! You ! you are a happiness breaker :-(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Argh !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You killed me ;-(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nope, just showing how to learn about and fix some problems :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia will have to wait for sometime :...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are 21 makefiles
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are 0 or 1 or 2 links to add to them (but which of them really
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> need the added links ?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Than means some combinations to try :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2 square to the power of 21 = 2097152 if I blindly test all of them !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If I win early I will try the casino
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ;-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I will try a rational approach to decrease the number of tests to do...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually the way to fix it is to look at the error to help narrow down
+</I>&gt;<i> where the fix is needed:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ../src/plugins/.libs/liblinuxsamplerplugins.a(InstrumentEditorFactory.o): In
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> function `__exchange_and_add_dispatch':
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mageia-linux-gnu/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/ext/atomicity.h:80:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ../src/common/.libs/liblinuxsamplercommon.a(Path.o): In function
+</I>&gt;<i> `__exchange_and_add_dispatch':
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mageia-linux-gnu/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/ext/atomicity.h:80:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so the files that uses &quot;pthread_cancel&quot;, need linking help.
+</I>&gt;<i> in this case the Makefiles responsible for the build of
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;liblinuxsamplerplugins&quot; and &quot;liblinuxsamplercommon&quot; are the
+</I>&gt;<i> ones you need to fix..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Same goes for the:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;There came now undefined references to 'dlopen' 'dlerror' 'dlclose'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I had to add -ldl to each Makefile.in&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks again !
+
+I was thinking about this rational approach ...
+
+Thank you for affording some humour too
+;)
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+</I>&gt;<i> - stuffing more than one DE on liveDVDs means altering build process,
+</I>
+It should be fine already.
+IIRC, dual-desktop live systems were done at Mandriva.
+
+&gt;<i> also giving more problem for little if any gain....
+</I>&gt;<i> - every DE on liveDVDs still need to be validated, so no less testing/QA
+</I>&gt;<i> - it means testing G/K/XDM starting GNOME/KDE/... so no less testing/QA
+</I>
+It will still factorize the drivers/basesystem testing.
+
+But there will be issues at the install part:
+- it will last longer, because it is basically a &quot;cp&quot; of the
+uncompressed live system, the more DE and langs you put, the longer it
+will take
+- it will require much more disk space, since that kind of install
+process without handling packages makes hard to unselect languages or
+desktops
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually the way to fix it is to look at the error to help narrow down
+</I>&gt;<i> where the fix is needed:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>I won ...
+I found that there is only one Makefile.in to modify
+
+1 chance among more that 2 millions combinations ... and I did it,
+thanks for your help !!
+
+I'm gonna go and win lot of money in the casino now !
+;)
+and I will share the won money with you...
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+Philippe
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+The changes in default fonts might be related to recent
+fonts-ttf-liberation update. Since 2.00, this package ships fontconfig
+settings that by default substitute Liberation fonts for &quot;sans-serif&quot;,
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+&gt;<i> Hi guys,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The changes in default fonts might be related to recent
+</I>&gt;<i> fonts-ttf-liberation update. Since 2.00, this package ships fontconfig
+</I>&gt;<i> settings that by default substitute Liberation fonts for &quot;sans-serif&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;serif&quot; and &quot;mono&quot; families. This is done
+</I>&gt;<i> by /etc/fonts/conf.d/59-liberation-*.conf files (in fact, just symlinks
+</I>&gt;<i> to /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/59-liberation-*.conf). I am too much
+</I>&gt;<i> accustomed to my usual font set, so I trashed those symlinks
+</I>&gt;<i> immediately :)
+</I>
+
+Fantastic, thanks for the tips.
+
+I think we should pay attention to the default fonts we will choose for
+mga3, indeed. That's the very first reflex of any user, either you like,
+or you don't, that would even deserve a contest may be.
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+chris.
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+&gt;<i> I think we should pay attention to the default fonts we will choose for
+</I>&gt;<i> mga3, indeed. That's the very first reflex of any user, either you like,
+</I>&gt;<i> or you don't, that would even deserve a contest may be.
+</I>
+Reaction to typefaces depends on several factors -
+. familiarity (e.g. Europeans are generally more familiar with reading
+long texts in sans serif faces than Americans);
+. eyesight, contrast, lighting and viewing distance (this is especially
+true of whether antialiasing is considered a huge, 10,000 times
+improvement in readability or is considered an ugly distraction;
+. rendering quality - irregularities tend to be distracting and cause
+fatigue but people often say they like them at first;
+. culture (e.g. Cyrillic / Fraktur / Antiqua);
+. default font sizes and inter-linear spacing - unfortunately many
+applications don't give control over inter-linear spacing, showing that
+the programmers do not have a background in typography :-)
+
+There's a whole bunch of research that's been done around each of these
+factors (and more).
+
+You won't find a single set of fonts that works for everyone, and a
+popular vote probably isn't the best way forward to choose one.
+
+On the other foot, a community effort around font packaging and
+improving themes would likely have a huge benefit.
+
+Liam
+
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+Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
+Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml
+The barefoot typographer - <A HREF="http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/">http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 15:57 +0200, EatDirt wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think we should pay attention to the default fonts we will choose for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mga3, indeed. That's the very first reflex of any user, either you like,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or you don't, that would even deserve a contest may be.
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+&gt;<i> You won't find a single set of fonts that works for everyone, and a
+</I>&gt;<i> popular vote probably isn't the best way forward to choose one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On the other foot, a community effort around font packaging and
+</I>&gt;<i> improving themes would likely have a huge benefit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Liam
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+I assume any default font should have the complete UTF8 Character set?
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+Are the Liberation Font's UTF8 Complete?
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+Brian
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+&gt;<i>From the .spec:
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+# this doesn't seem to apply to gnome-session in GNOME 2.32
+# ACK'ed by pterjan
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+&gt;<i> I assume any default font should have the complete UTF8 Character set?
+</I>
+This isn't really meaningful, because of unification - fonts implement
+glyphs, not characters, and there are a great many Unicode characters
+that represent multiple glyphs, mostly as a result of CJK
+(Chinese/Chinese/Japanese/Korean) unification.
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+So the right answer is to have a set of fonts that overall provides the
+necessary coverage for scripts and languages that Mageia's users
+actually use.
+
+&gt;<i> Are the Liberation Font's UTF8 Complete?
+</I>Strictly speaking UTF-8 is an encoding, a way of representing 32-bit
+integers in as few bytes (octets) as possible while still working with
+text tools; those 32-bit integers are Unicode &quot;codepoints&quot;, indices into
+a table of characters published by the Unicode Consortium. Currently the
+table actually only needs I think 18 bits (more than 16 and less than 24
+at any rate), but is still growing.
+
+Wikipedia says,
+[[
+The Liberation family supports only the Latin, Greek, and Cyrillic
+alphabets, leaving out many writing systems. Extension to other writing
+systems is prevented by its unique licensing terms
+]] [1]
+
+However, asking for a single typeface to have a unified design for
+Vietnamese, Hindi, Traditional Chinese, Simplified Chinese, Japanese,
+English, French, Czech, Cree, ... is a tall order. You'd also have a
+rather large font file (probably between 500M and a gigabyte).
+
+So, the best approach is to choose smaller fonts that work OK with each
+other and give the best coverage.
+
+Hope this helps. I responded to more than your question to try &amp; help
+others see the issues too :-)
+
+Liam
+
+[1] <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;svn export&quot; gives a better tarball...
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+</I>Yes - thanks for the correction - maybe even better to use:
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+tar -czf linuxsampler.tar.gz linuxsampler/ --exclude-vcs
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+This way the tree may be updated if required.
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+I finally got around to connecting my netbook, which has been running
+Cauldron for some time. This was fully up to date before my holidays,
+and apart from the recent display problem (which as Angelo Naselli
+suspected, is a KDE problem) it has behaved beautifully. Today,
+though, needed almost 3 weeks worth of updates, and when it finished,
+it won't boot.
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+There are obviously problems with my remote mounts, but we are talking
+in detail about that on another thread. Mostly things look to be
+going well up to that stage, then I see messages like
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+Started RPC bind service
+Reached target Remote File Systems (Pre).
+Mounting /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data...
+Mounting /mnt/borg2/home...
+Mounting /mnt/borg2_Data1...
+Reached target RPC Port Mapper.
+Failed to mount /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data.
+See systemctl status /mnt-QNAS\x2dLydgate\x2dData.mount for details.
+.... (other similar pairs of lines)
+Dependency failed for Remote File Systems
+
+After these lines, suddenly two of the QNAS mounts (one of which is
+/mnt/QNAS/Lydgate-Data mentioned above) do succeed. The two borg2
+mounts still fail, as do some of the other QNAS mounts.
+
+A few more lines, and all looks reasonable, until
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+[FAILED] Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit
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+then
+Reached target Multi-User
+Reached target Graphical Interface
+
+and there it freezes.
+
+Anne
+- --
+Need KDE help? Try
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+<PRE>Op maandag 24 september 2012 13:33:49 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+&gt;<i> zezinho skrev 24.9.2012 12:52:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Em 24-09-2012 09:55, Thomas Backlund escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and so on...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well, we can't keep the same service to users without keeping the same
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; number of medias. And we NEED to reduce this number. So let's only
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; decide if DVD keeps without nonfree or not. A poll? Both choices will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; keep the same numbers of medias.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, my response got somewhat easy to misunderstand :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I meant it only as a response to the:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;it seems much less likely that 64-bit users will have the download
+</I>&gt;<i> bandwidth problems of many 32-bit users.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As far as I can see, the easiest way to REDUCE media number is to switch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Live medias from 700MB to at most DVD size :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - It removes the different localized version, it is 40% medias less.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - It does not remove ALL CD-R solutions, as we long as keep DualArch and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; boot.iso media.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - It fits in most current USB keys (4GB is the lowest size I can see in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; shops).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But many people have only 1-2GB sticks they could re-use ...
+</I>&gt;<i> Not everyone can go out and buy new hw all the time...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And the downside of getting bigger live images is that they
+</I>&gt;<i> do get slower to boot...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, it removes supports for some old hardware solutions, which I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; install often, but we can't keep testing 19 medias. We have still lack
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of QA people!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I know... I've been doing ISO qa :)
+</I>&gt;<i> we do need to reduce the media sets...
+</I>&gt;<i> which is why I earlier in this thread suggested:
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 i586 GNOME english liveCD (&quot;works everywhere&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 i586 KDE english liveCD (&quot;works everywhere&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 i586 GNOME all-lang liveDVD
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 i586 KDE all-lang liveDVD
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 x86_64 GNOME all-lang liveDVD
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 x86_64 KDE all-lang liveDVD
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would bring the live* media down from 16 -&gt; 6
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And as data point...
+</I>&gt;<i> With current mga2 livecd package config, building a liveDVD for one
+</I>&gt;<i> arch/DE results in a liveDVD image with ~ 1GB image size
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we squash more than one DE on the same liveDVD there will be some
+</I>&gt;<i> questions:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Which DM will we use ? GDM? KDM? XDM? ...?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we get the complaints:
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;why should I need to download KDE stuff when I want GNOME&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;why should I need to download GNOME stuff when I want KDE&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;why ...&quot;
+</I>
+how about adding 32bit/64bit to one liveDVD, bringing total livemedia to 4 ?
+
+
+
+
+&gt;<i> and the technical side:
+</I>&gt;<i> - stuffing more than one DE on liveDVDs means altering build process,
+</I>&gt;<i> also giving more problem for little if any gain....
+</I>&gt;<i> - every DE on liveDVDs still need to be validated, so no less testing/QA
+</I>&gt;<i> - it means testing G/K/XDM starting GNOME/KDE/... so no less testing/QA
+</I>&gt;<i> - ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
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+<PRE>On 09/24/2012 07:51 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:42:58AM +0200, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Perhaps polkit-gnome is out of sync ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>From the .spec:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # install the autostart file manually, since upstream doesn't ship it any more
+</I>&gt;<i> # and decided that it's the job of each DE to start polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
+</I>&gt;<i> # this doesn't seem to apply to gnome-session in GNOME 2.32
+</I>&gt;<i> # ACK'ed by pterjan
+</I>&gt;<i> #
+</I>&gt;<i> # this file was nicked from the gnome-polkit-0.99 binary rpm, to get all the translations
+</I>&gt;<i> # (ahmad) 02-05-2011
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I removed the autostart file in a newly submitted polkit-gnome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks !!
+BTW, do we need both polkit and policykit installed ?
+I can remove libpolkit2-0.9-8.mga1,policykit-0.9-8.mga1 without any problem.
+Should new version obsolete old one ?
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+<PRE>On 2012-09-24 16:58 (GMT+0400) Dimitri composed:
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+&gt;<i> The changes in default fonts might be related to recent
+</I>&gt;<i> fonts-ttf-liberation update. Since 2.00, this package ships fontconfig
+</I>&gt;<i> settings that by default substitute Liberation fonts for &quot;sans-serif&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;serif&quot; and &quot;mono&quot; families. This is done
+</I>&gt;<i> by /etc/fonts/conf.d/59-liberation-*.conf files (in fact, just symlinks
+</I>&gt;<i> to /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/59-liberation-*.conf). I am too much
+</I>&gt;<i> accustomed to my usual font set, so I trashed those symlinks
+</I>&gt;<i> immediately :)
+</I>
+I keep my fontconfig priorities for serif, sans serif and monospace families
+set to the Google Droids, regardless what's been chosen by the distro.
+Running at 120 DPI or higher, all the legibly large enough sizes look great
+without much impact from font smoothing settings. The sizes too small to read
+anyway don't matter.
+--
+&quot;The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
+words are persuasive.&quot; Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
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+ Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
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+Felix Miata *** <A HREF="http://fm.no-ip.com/">http://fm.no-ip.com/</A>
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+&gt;<i> . rendering quality - irregularities tend to be distracting and cause
+</I>&gt;<i> fatigue but people often say they like them at first;
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+Rendering quality is highly influenced by screen pixel density. The higher
+the density, the more pixels are required to render any glyph at a given
+physical size. As density increases, the effects of smoothing techniques
+diminish, eventually having no impact if density is high enough or viewing
+distance is longer. Kerning, character spacing an accuracy also improve as
+density increases, causing glyphs to render more faithfully to their designs.
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+The converse is that on low density screens, there's more variability that
+readers can be sensitive to. Those who are sensitive do well to upgrade to
+higher quality (higher pixel density) display devices. Even the apparent 20%
+jump from 100 to 120 can be striking. The reality is the density increase is
+a function of the squares of 100 and 120: 44%!
+--
+&quot;The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
+words are persuasive.&quot; Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
+
+ Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
+
+Felix Miata *** <A HREF="http://fm.no-ip.com/">http://fm.no-ip.com/</A>
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+<PRE>Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> andre999 skrev 24.9.2012 09:57:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> need to take some decisions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and review about Mageia on the web.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - provide a full open source software version
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> low band-width or paying depending how much they use it)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - provide live version(s)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - decrease isos number. QA is just a hell on the set we had for Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - provide localization as large as possible
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - provide isos including major drivers including proprietary one to make
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it easier to install and configure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please add all explanations to your proposal.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Let say we take one week on this so until 26/09 then we will make a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> final proposal
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My suggestions :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> *Non-live isos*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1 dual cd with proprietory firmware/drivers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -- based on comments by Alien and others
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1 dvd 32-bit with proprietory firmware/drivers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you do realize that this is a no-go as we already have problem fitting
+</I>&gt;<i> even LXDE on dual isos (as you only have ~350M / arch for rpms and
+</I>&gt;<i> installer, so trying to load a lot of extra fw and drivers on wont work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And yes, we already hardlink noarch packages
+</I>
+For the dual cd I was just going on comments by others, but I can
+understand the space problem. I wasn't anticipating multiple desktops
+for that iso. Whatever works for those who use it, and those who create
+it, is fine by me.
+
+It has occured to me that maybe it would be better to have 2 cds, one
+each for 32-bit and 64-bit. That would make it a lot easier to find
+enough space, and maybe even make it simpler to create ? It would add
+another cd, but maybe not increase the workload.
+Testing should be about the same.
+(And carrying 2 cds in a pocket instead of one shouldn't be a problem.)
+
+As for the 32-bit dvd with proprietory firmware and drivers where
+reliable free aren't available, I think that that is important.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -- we could ask at the beginning something like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;This disc can install proprietory firmware or drivers needed by your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hardware. Do you want to :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1) Install such software automatically,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2) Ask for each such software, or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3) Never install such software.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That way users can accept or avoid such software as they wish.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At the same time, users will never be stuck. This will be particularly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> useful for new users, especially those who found the dvd in a magazine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also users preferring no non-free, including firmware or drivers, could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simply resinstall accepting certain firmware/drivers after finding that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their hardware doesn't work properly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As with all suggestions to mod the installer, we still need someone to
+</I>&gt;<i> do the work, not just expect that &quot;someone&quot; will do it...
+</I>
+True.
+If all installers, and not just the live installers, carry the
+proprietory firmware/drivers, maybe that will alleviate some of the
+workload ?
+BTW, I'm sure that we all appreciate your important contributions on this.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;<i> *Live isos*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1 live (installable like current dvds) dvd 64-bit with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kde/gnome/lxde/xfce and all localizations, and the proprietory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> firmware/drivers now found on live cds.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -- variation of suggestion by Sander
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -- this replaces both the current 64-bit dvd + 8 live cds
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -- it seems much less likely that 64-bit users will have the download
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bandwidth problems of many 32-bit users. (If I'm not mistaken.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You are kidding, right ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees
+</I>&gt;<i> to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have,
+</I>&gt;<i> and so on...
+</I>
+I agree that having 64-bit hw doesn't necessarily mean one has cheap bw.
+ Just thought that it was more likely than many with 32-bit hw.
+In any case, if they do have a problem, they could always use the 32-bit
+version. But the converse is not true.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -- users with 64-bit machines could still use a 32-bit live cd if they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wish.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -- This should save a lot of problems testing, as many potential testers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't have 64-bit machines available.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 8 live cds 32-bit; kde or gnome; 4 localisation groups
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -- users with 32-bit machines are more likely to have bandwidth
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problems, or to not have dvd writers.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This totals 11 isos, down from 19. (reduced by 8 live cds.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note that I didn't include an iso without proprietory firmware/drivers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as with appropriate warnings on those with, an iso without would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> redundant. Just unnecessarily increasing the testing workload.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note also that it would be useful to have a file in the iso directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> listing the languages available on the various live cds. (Lacking for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mga2, but did exist for mandriva.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not so... every livecd is has a matching *.lang:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/iso/2/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.langs">http://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/iso/2/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.langs</A>
+</I>
+My mirror doesn't carry the *.lang files (mageia.webconquest.com in Canada)
+Aren't they supposed to carry all the iso-related files, if they carry
+isos ?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And this page lists the langs on the isos too:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A final point - to me it is really important to be able to upgrade an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> existing installation, instead of forcing a clean install. This allows
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> DVDs and netinstalls already support upgrades...
+</I>&gt;<i> (DVDs will still always have some problem unless you add online medias,
+</I>&gt;<i> as we cant fit all of the online repos on the DVDs)
+</I>
+Just made the point since there has been some discussion which seemed to
+suggest changing that.
+As long as one can do a release upgrade install without internet access,
+redoing an update on line afterwards is not problematic. It works quite
+well.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The mga3 upgrade path will need more work due to UsrMove, but it
+</I>&gt;<i> should still be possible...
+</I>
+Hopefully. UsrMove was a good idea.
+Maybe users with /usr on / could do UsrMove before upgrade to mga3 ?
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the user to more easily keep their current configuration, and in some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cases essential drivers/firmware not on the iso. Referring to the dvds
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and the dual cd, and not the live cds, which are not primarily for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess you mean livecds _are_ meant for installation, not upgrades
+</I>
+Right :)
+But I was also thinking that there will be users that just boot a live
+cd to see what it looks like, then actually install using a dvd, or
+maybe use the live cd just for a review (without installing).
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 25 september 2012 01:21:05 schreef andre999:
+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; andre999 skrev 24.9.2012 09:57:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; need to take some decisions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; and review about Mageia on the web.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - provide a full open source software version
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; low band-width or paying depending how much they use it)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - provide live version(s)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - decrease isos number. QA is just a hell on the set we had for Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - provide localization as large as possible
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - provide isos including major drivers including proprietary one to make
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; it easier to install and configure
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Please add all explanations to your proposal.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Let say we take one week on this so until 26/09 then we will make a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; final proposal
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; My suggestions :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; *Non-live isos*
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1 dual cd with proprietory firmware/drivers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; -- based on comments by Alien and others
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1 dvd 32-bit with proprietory firmware/drivers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you do realize that this is a no-go as we already have problem fitting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; even LXDE on dual isos (as you only have ~350M / arch for rpms and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installer, so trying to load a lot of extra fw and drivers on wont work.
+</I>
+iinm the dual-arch CD just needs a small few nonfree things, like hardware
+raid cards and a few network firmwares. but then the rescue also needs ip (for
+vlan) and brctl (for bridging)... (in all actuallity, i'm prepared here to
+drop all of small parts of LXDE and/or other graphic stuff).
+
+perhaps if we can unlink a few more cycles, we get enough free space...
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; And yes, we already hardlink noarch packages
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the dual cd I was just going on comments by others, but I can
+</I>&gt;<i> understand the space problem. I wasn't anticipating multiple desktops
+</I>&gt;<i> for that iso. Whatever works for those who use it, and those who create
+</I>&gt;<i> it, is fine by me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It has occured to me that maybe it would be better to have 2 cds, one
+</I>&gt;<i> each for 32-bit and 64-bit. That would make it a lot easier to find
+</I>&gt;<i> enough space, and maybe even make it simpler to create ? It would add
+</I>&gt;<i> another cd, but maybe not increase the workload.
+</I>&gt;<i> Testing should be about the same.
+</I>&gt;<i> (And carrying 2 cds in a pocket instead of one shouldn't be a problem.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As for the 32-bit dvd with proprietory firmware and drivers where
+</I>&gt;<i> reliable free aren't available, I think that that is important.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; -- we could ask at the beginning something like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;This disc can install proprietory firmware or drivers needed by your
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; hardware. Do you want to :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1) Install such software automatically,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2) Ask for each such software, or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 3) Never install such software.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; That way users can accept or avoid such software as they wish.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; At the same time, users will never be stuck. This will be particularly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; useful for new users, especially those who found the dvd in a magazine.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Also users preferring no non-free, including firmware or drivers, could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; simply resinstall accepting certain firmware/drivers after finding that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; their hardware doesn't work properly.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As with all suggestions to mod the installer, we still need someone to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; do the work, not just expect that &quot;someone&quot; will do it...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> True.
+</I>&gt;<i> If all installers, and not just the live installers, carry the
+</I>&gt;<i> proprietory firmware/drivers, maybe that will alleviate some of the
+</I>&gt;<i> workload ?
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, I'm sure that we all appreciate your important contributions on this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; *Live isos*
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1 live (installable like current dvds) dvd 64-bit with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; kde/gnome/lxde/xfce and all localizations, and the proprietory
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; firmware/drivers now found on live cds.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; -- variation of suggestion by Sander
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; -- this replaces both the current 64-bit dvd + 8 live cds
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; -- it seems much less likely that 64-bit users will have the download
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; bandwidth problems of many 32-bit users. (If I'm not mistaken.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You are kidding, right ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and so on...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree that having 64-bit hw doesn't necessarily mean one has cheap bw.
+</I>&gt;<i> Just thought that it was more likely than many with 32-bit hw.
+</I>&gt;<i> In any case, if they do have a problem, they could always use the 32-bit
+</I>&gt;<i> version. But the converse is not true.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; -- users with 64-bit machines could still use a 32-bit live cd if they
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; wish.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; -- This should save a lot of problems testing, as many potential testers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; don't have 64-bit machines available.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 8 live cds 32-bit; kde or gnome; 4 localisation groups
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; -- users with 32-bit machines are more likely to have bandwidth
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; problems, or to not have dvd writers.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; This totals 11 isos, down from 19. (reduced by 8 live cds.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Note that I didn't include an iso without proprietory firmware/drivers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; as with appropriate warnings on those with, an iso without would be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; redundant. Just unnecessarily increasing the testing workload.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Note also that it would be useful to have a file in the iso directory
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; listing the languages available on the various live cds. (Lacking for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mga2, but did exist for mandriva.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Not so... every livecd is has a matching *.lang:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/iso/2/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Ameri">http://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/iso/2/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Ameri</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cas-i586-CD/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.langs
+</I>&gt;<i> My mirror doesn't carry the *.lang files (mageia.webconquest.com in Canada)
+</I>&gt;<i> Aren't they supposed to carry all the iso-related files, if they carry
+</I>&gt;<i> isos ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And this page lists the langs on the isos too:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; A final point - to me it is really important to be able to upgrade an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; existing installation, instead of forcing a clean install. This allows
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; DVDs and netinstalls already support upgrades...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (DVDs will still always have some problem unless you add online medias,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as we cant fit all of the online repos on the DVDs)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just made the point since there has been some discussion which seemed to
+</I>&gt;<i> suggest changing that.
+</I>&gt;<i> As long as one can do a release upgrade install without internet access,
+</I>&gt;<i> redoing an update on line afterwards is not problematic. It works quite
+</I>&gt;<i> well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The mga3 upgrade path will need more work due to UsrMove, but it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; should still be possible...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hopefully. UsrMove was a good idea.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe users with /usr on / could do UsrMove before upgrade to mga3 ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the user to more easily keep their current configuration, and in some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; cases essential drivers/firmware not on the iso. Referring to the dvds
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and the dual cd, and not the live cds, which are not primarily for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; installation.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I guess you mean livecds _are_ meant for installation, not upgrades
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Right :)
+</I>&gt;<i> But I was also thinking that there will be users that just boot a live
+</I>&gt;<i> cd to see what it looks like, then actually install using a dvd, or
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe use the live cd just for a review (without installing).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thomas
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+<PRE>Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> zezinho skrev 24.9.2012 12:52:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Em 24-09-2012 09:55, Thomas Backlund escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and so on...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, we can't keep the same service to users without keeping the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> number of medias. And we NEED to reduce this number. So let's only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> decide if DVD keeps without nonfree or not. A poll? Both choices will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> keep the same numbers of medias.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, my response got somewhat easy to misunderstand :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I meant it only as a response to the:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;it seems much less likely that 64-bit users will have the download
+</I>&gt;<i> bandwidth problems of many 32-bit users.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As far as I can see, the easiest way to REDUCE media number is to switch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Live medias from 700MB to at most DVD size :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - It removes the different localized version, it is 40% medias less.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - It does not remove ALL CD-R solutions, as we long as keep DualArch and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> boot.iso media.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - It fits in most current USB keys (4GB is the lowest size I can see in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shops).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But many people have only 1-2GB sticks they could re-use ...
+</I>&gt;<i> Not everyone can go out and buy new hw all the time...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And the downside of getting bigger live images is that they
+</I>&gt;<i> do get slower to boot...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, it removes supports for some old hardware solutions, which I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install often, but we can't keep testing 19 medias. We have still lack
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of QA people!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I know... I've been doing ISO qa :)
+</I>&gt;<i> we do need to reduce the media sets...
+</I>&gt;<i> which is why I earlier in this thread suggested:
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 i586 GNOME english liveCD (&quot;works everywhere&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 i586 KDE english liveCD (&quot;works everywhere&quot;)
+</I>
+We should consider the target users of live CDs.
+If it is only for the purpose of reviews (by english speakers), then
+downloading 2 cds for testing in english only is fine.
+But if we want to introduce other users to mageia, many of whom would be
+more confortable in another language, if they speak english at all, it
+would be very useful to keep the other languages.
+At least for the i586 cds.
+(x64 users can always use the i586 cds if they don't want to use a dvd)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 i586 GNOME all-lang liveDVD
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 i586 KDE all-lang liveDVD
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 x86_64 GNOME all-lang liveDVD
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 x86_64 KDE all-lang liveDVD
+</I>
+Would producing live dvd instead of a non-live dvd take much more space
+? My impression is no.
+If that is correct, then we could make just one live all-desktop live
+DVD for each of i586 and x86_64.
+Unless you think that the current non-live DVDs are missing important a
+lot of important packages ?
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would bring the live* media down from 16 -&gt; 6
+</I>
+Simply dropping 64-bit live cds, without any other changes, would reduce
+isos from 19 -&gt; 11.
+Without much loss, as those with 64-bit hw could always use 32-bit live
+cds, and then install with 64-bit media.
+Although it would be better if a 64-bit live dvd were available.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And as data point...
+</I>&gt;<i> With current mga2 livecd package config, building a liveDVD for one
+</I>&gt;<i> arch/DE results in a liveDVD image with ~ 1GB image size
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This is your area of expertise. Is it possible to reduce this ? By
+maybe dynamically installing various packages needed ?
+What is the size needed for live cds ? (Obviously less, since cds can't
+be more than 750M.)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we squash more than one DE on the same liveDVD there will be some
+</I>&gt;<i> questions:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Which DM will we use ? GDM? KDM? XDM? ...?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we get the complaints:
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;why should I need to download KDE stuff when I want GNOME&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;why should I need to download GNOME stuff when I want KDE&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;why ...&quot;
+</I>
+So how does that differ from the current dvds ?
+Isn't the idea of live isos to test and explore mageia ?
+A live dvd would make it easier for users to look at various desktops
+available.
+Once one knows what one wants, a live iso isn't needed any more,
+particularly since running a live iso is necessarily much slower than
+running an installed system.
+As well, even once one knows the desktop prefered, prefered packages
+don't necessarily belong to that particular desktop.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and the technical side:
+</I>&gt;<i> - stuffing more than one DE on liveDVDs means altering build process,
+</I>&gt;<i> also giving more problem for little if any gain....
+</I>&gt;<i> - every DE on liveDVDs still need to be validated, so no less testing/QA
+</I>&gt;<i> - it means testing G/K/XDM starting GNOME/KDE/... so no less testing/QA
+</I>&gt;<i> - ...
+</I>
+The same testing, but less downloading for testers.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> On 09/24/2012 07:51 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:42:58AM +0200, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Perhaps polkit-gnome is out of sync ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>From the .spec:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # install the autostart file manually, since upstream doesn't ship it any more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # and decided that it's the job of each DE to start polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # this doesn't seem to apply to gnome-session in GNOME 2.32
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # ACK'ed by pterjan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # this file was nicked from the gnome-polkit-0.99 binary rpm, to get all the translations
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # (ahmad) 02-05-2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I removed the autostart file in a newly submitted polkit-gnome.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks !!
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, do we need both polkit and policykit installed ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I can remove libpolkit2-0.9-8.mga1,policykit-0.9-8.mga1 without any problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> Should new version obsolete old one ?
+</I>
+I was in the process of obsoleting it, a few things had to be done, like
+fixing a sectool dep, and ... killing hal :)
+I'll do a recap mail later.
+
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+</I>&gt;<i> Before publishing topics, are there some to be listed you would think
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+- bug 2317 (can this be pushed 'before' other backport patches?)
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Before publishing topics, are there some to be listed you would think
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about ?
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+</I>&gt;<i> - bug 2317 (can this be pushed 'before' other backport patches?)
+</I>
+Didn't you propose last week to work on it ?
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+&gt;<i> - rpmdrake advisories showing up (descriptions file) aka validate tool for
+</I>&gt;<i> QA to push updates themselves (less sysadmin work)
+</I>&gt;<i> - iso discussion finalization... asap
+</I>
+Please re read your mail. Deadline for proposals is tomorrow
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> lower priority:
+</I>&gt;<i> - ARM progress (raspberri pi)
+</I>&gt;<i> - backport progress
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+&gt;<i> Name : task-obsolete Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 3 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 27.mga3 Build Date: Tue Sep 25 00:12:29 2012
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+</I>&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 3-27.mga3:
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+</I>&gt;<i> - obsolete policykit, replaced by polkit
+</I>&gt;<i> - obsolete hal and hal-info, replaced by udisks and later by udisks2
+</I>I would question obsoleting hal here. Is there a serious reason to do
+that? What if there are 3rd party packages that still need it? Or isn't
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+&gt;<i> 25.09.2012 01:17, blino kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : task-obsolete Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 3 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 27.mga3 Build Date: Tue Sep 25
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 00:12:29 2012
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 3-27.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 297306
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - obsolete policykit, replaced by polkit
+</I>
+HM, shouldn't polkit be the one obsoleting policykit then ?
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+&gt;&gt;<i> - obsolete hal and hal-info, replaced by udisks and later by udisks2
+</I>&gt;<i> I would question obsoleting hal here. Is there a serious reason to do
+</I>&gt;<i> that? What if there are 3rd party packages that still need it? Or isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> it working at all on mga3? If it still works i wouldn't obsolete it that
+</I>&gt;<i> way.
+</I>
+hal and udisks* are daemons doing the same work, so they will get in
+each others way...
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+</I>&gt;<i> Before publishing topics, are there some to be listed you would think
+</I>&gt;<i> about ?
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+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+&gt;<i> Summary : Meta package obsoleting old packages
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> This package is used to obsolete packages that are no longer supported.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 3-27.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 297306
+</I>&gt;<i> - obsolete hal and hal-info, replaced by udisks and later by udisks2
+</I>
+hal was pulled by:
+- sugar: dropped the dep, since sugar is using gio/gvfs
+- usb-imagewriter: added a patch from Ubuntu to use udisks instead (no
+ udisks2 yet...)
+- draksnapshot: fixed a crash when hal was not running (#3032) and
+ opened a reminder bug about migration to udisks2 (#7565)
+
+&gt;<i> - obsolete policykit, replaced by polkit
+</I>
+policykit has been replaced by polkit quite some time ago.
+We still had a few users:
+- python-slip (pulled by sectool, which is used by msec): only a
+ requires had to be fixed
+- hal: taken care of above
+
+So, both hal and policykit are now obsoleted by task-obsolete.
+
+I guess policykit could be made obsolete by the polkit package instead,
+but hal has no real full replacement, so the obsolete tag can belong to
+task-obsolete.
+
+Should we explicitely obsolete the library packages as well or should we
+let them be handled by the orphans feature of urpme?
+
+Next step will be udisksectomy! (udisks1)
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+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+&gt;<i> 25.09.2012 01:17, blino kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : task-obsolete Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 3 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 27.mga3 Build Date: Tue Sep 25 00:12:29 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 3-27.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 297306
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - obsolete policykit, replaced by polkit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - obsolete hal and hal-info, replaced by udisks and later by udisks2
+</I>&gt;<i> I would question obsoleting hal here. Is there a serious reason to do
+</I>&gt;<i> that? What if there are 3rd party packages that still need it? Or
+</I>&gt;<i> isn't it working at all on mga3? If it still works i wouldn't obsolete
+</I>&gt;<i> it that way.
+</I>
+hal removal has been discussed here a few weeks go and got no
+objections:
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-July/017430.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-July/017430.html</A>
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+hal has been first replaced by DeviceKit, which has then been replaced
+by udev + udisks, the later being again replaced by udisks2.
+We are many architecture cycles away from hal already.
+
+Fedora removed it one year ago already:
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/HalRemoval">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/HalRemoval</A>
+
+Do you have any example of such thirdparty software using it?
+
+See also <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_%28software%29#Deprecated">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_%28software%29#Deprecated</A>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Those cannot be done anymore.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now updating rpm in order to be able to sole the unifiedsystemdir depends
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pulls filesystem...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Classic egg &amp; chicken issue...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, this has been a problem for a while now in Cauldron. But not many
+</I>&gt;<i> users are asking this question these days, so the likely path now is
+</I>&gt;<i> from mga2 -&gt; cauldron which is probably where the effort should be focused.
+</I>
+BTW I tested live upgrade from FC17 to FC18.
+It works smoothly if you don't have third party packages.
+in FC there's no need for a special boot, everything is hanled by filesystem
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+--# If we are running in pretrans in a fresh root, there is no /usr
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+--# We cannot be sure, to be the very first rpm in the transaction list,
+--# so, let's create the toplevel symlinks here and the directories
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+--# When our rpm is unpacked by cpio, it will set all permissions and
+modes later.
+--#
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+end
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+ if posix.stat(&quot;/usr&quot;..dir) == nil then
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+ if posix.stat(dir, &quot;mode&quot;) == nil then
+ posix.symlink(&quot;usr&quot;..dir, dir)
+ end
+ end
+end
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+<PRE>25.09.2012 13:03, Olivier Blin kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Do you have any example of such thirdparty software using it?
+</I>No. But draksnapshot was a good example for quite sometime. If there are
+no packages that require it and it is removed from mga3 repos then i see
+no reason to add it as obsolete and stop those using it who need it for
+some reason. To me it seems like overusing task-obsolete.
+But don't get me wrong, i want it to be dead :)
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+&gt;<i> On 9 September 2012 20:42, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Those cannot be done anymore.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now updating rpm in order to be able to sole the unifiedsystemdir depends
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pulls filesystem...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Classic egg &amp; chicken issue...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, this has been a problem for a while now in Cauldron. But not many
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> users are asking this question these days, so the likely path now is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from mga2 -&gt; cauldron which is probably where the effort should be focused.
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW I tested live upgrade from FC17 to FC18.
+</I>&gt;<i> It works smoothly if you don't have third party packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> in FC there's no need for a special boot, everything is hanled by filesystem
+</I>&gt;<i> package's pre/post scripts:
+</I>Hmm, /usr move in Fedora is already done:
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_16_-.3E_Fedora_17">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_16_-.3E_Fedora_17</A>
+I don't see what problems you could have during upgrade from f17 to f18.
+Try a live upgrade from f16 to f17 w/o those steps ;)
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+<PRE>On 25 September 2012 12:20, Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Those cannot be done anymore.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now updating rpm in order to be able to sole the unifiedsystemdir
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> depends
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pulls filesystem...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Classic egg &amp; chicken issue...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, this has been a problem for a while now in Cauldron. But not many
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> users are asking this question these days, so the likely path now is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from mga2 -&gt; cauldron which is probably where the effort should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> focused.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BTW I tested live upgrade from FC17 to FC18.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It works smoothly if you don't have third party packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in FC there's no need for a special boot, everything is hanled by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> filesystem
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package's pre/post scripts:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, /usr move in Fedora is already done:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_16_-.3E_Fedora_17">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_16_-.3E_Fedora_17</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't see what problems you could have during upgrade from f17 to f18. Try
+</I>&gt;<i> a live upgrade from f16 to f17 w/o those steps ;)
+</I>
+AFAIC I've done both.
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+&gt;<i> Revision: 6052
+</I>&gt;<i> Author: kharec
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: 2012-09-25 11:55:10 +0200 (Tue, 25 Sep 2012)
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+Le 25 sept. 2012 12:35, &quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Revision: 6052
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Date: 2012-09-25 11:55:10 +0200 (Tue, 25 Sep 2012)
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+&gt;<i> Fedora removed it one year ago already:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/HalRemoval">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/HalRemoval</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have any example of such thirdparty software using it?
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+Flash DRM: <A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682370">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682370</A>
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+<PRE>Hi *,
+
+as my first mail from Sep. 19 has not been moderated through (if
+you're not going to moderate posts, then just completely reject the
+mail, don't claim it is being sent to moderators for review)..
+
+See my comments re target/usage of LiveISOs below
+
+Hi *,
+
+On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide a full open source software version
+</I>
+don't see a need for this when there is a checkbox or similar switch
+to enable/disable &quot;nonfree&quot; stuff.
+
+&gt;<i> - provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having low
+</I>&gt;<i> band-width or paying depending how much they use it)
+</I>
+Yes please!
+
+&gt;<i> - provide live version(s)
+</I>
+Especially live-ISOs should be CD-ROM size.
+
+&gt;<i> - decrease isos number. QA is just a hell on the set we had for Mageia 2
+</I>
+I don't see the need for DVD-size special ISOs. To be precise: A
+simple snapshot of the repositories, to use as additional installation
+source should be enough for more or less everyone.
+Have a CD with the basic stuff, and then install the rest either via
+network or from an additional repo-DVD.
+
+The more time passes, the more useless the initial repo's data gets,
+as updates will be released for many packages. System builders/people
+who need to do offline installation could then just sync their
+favorite mirror/create a DVD with current packages and use that
+instead of the initially released one.
+
+The repo-packages can be tested completely automatically, as all that
+needs to be done is to verify the iso-creation (directory layout, no
+read-errors/partial files in the iso)
+
+&gt;<i> - provide localization as large as possible
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide isos including major drivers including proprietary one to make it
+</I>&gt;<i> easier to install and configure
+</I>
+This is the only item where &quot;completely open source/free&quot; vs &quot;one with
+proprietary stuff&quot; would be of relevance. If there was a boot option
+to switch between the two, then one single iso would be enough.
+
+&gt;<i> Keep in mind that what you want is not necessarily what another one want. So
+</I>&gt;<i> let start proposals here and discussion. Please add all explanations to your
+</I>&gt;<i> proposal.
+</I>
+So my proposal:
+##############################
+* Only CD-ROM as installation media,
+** one dual arch for text-based installation
+** one live for each architecture and major Desktop, i.e. one GNOME,
+one KDE (english+whatever other western languages fit)
+** isos for more languages only if you got QA for it. But editions for
+CJK and RTL surely would be nice.
+
+* additional packages on DVD as simple repository snapshot
+
+There have been arguments: &quot;But you cannot fit all packages that make
+up GNOME or KDE onto a CD-ROM sized iso&quot;.
+My reply is: It doesn't need to be the complete desktop environment.
+Live isos are used to:
+* Check whether the hardware is supported at all
+* Check whether the distro's structure fits oneself
+* As installation media
+* As rescue system for whatever unforeseen circumstances, and to
+backup that windows-PC from $friend_or_family
+
+Also the questions whether people have DVD or CD-Rom drives isn't so
+much of a question. If it has a drive, you can assume it also can use
+DVD, but at least myself and ~everyone I know don't use actual CDs
+anymore, but rather put the ISO onto an USB-Stick. I don't own a
+USB-Stick in DVD-capacity, but I own a few that can fit a CD-ROM
+image.
+
+I'm against DVD sized installation media because
+* It is only of use right after release, the more time passes, the
+more outdated the packages are, and the more updates will have to be
+installed over the net anyway
+* it is a big download
+* USB-media in DVD-size not as widespread as CD-Rom sized ones
+* DVD for live-isos: You'll not be able to use all that is available
+anyway, since RAM is limited, and providing all kinds of stuff that
+then just leads into programs being killed because of OOM is
+counter-productive.
+
+So bottom line: Drop the DVD-size images, provide
+repository/additional packages images as a convenience for
+offline-installers instead. (i.e. it would only contain repository
+data, would not be bootable. To boot, use one of the CD-sized options)
+
+ciao
+Christian
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 25/09/12 11:07 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 9 September 2012 20:42, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Those cannot be done anymore.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now updating rpm in order to be able to sole the unifiedsystemdir depends
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pulls filesystem...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Classic egg &amp; chicken issue...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, this has been a problem for a while now in Cauldron. But not many
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> users are asking this question these days, so the likely path now is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from mga2 -&gt; cauldron which is probably where the effort should be focused.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW I tested live upgrade from FC17 to FC18.
+</I>&gt;<i> It works smoothly if you don't have third party packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> in FC there's no need for a special boot, everything is hanled by filesystem
+</I>&gt;<i> package's pre/post scripts:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ rpm -q --scripts filesystem -v
+</I>&gt;<i> pretrans scriptlet (using &lt;lua&gt;):
+</I>&gt;<i> --#
+</I>&gt;<i> --# If we are running in pretrans in a fresh root, there is no /usr
+</I>&gt;<i> and symlinks.
+</I>&gt;<i> --# We cannot be sure, to be the very first rpm in the transaction list,
+</I>&gt;<i> --# so, let's create the toplevel symlinks here and the directories
+</I>&gt;<i> they point to.
+</I>&gt;<i> --# When our rpm is unpacked by cpio, it will set all permissions and
+</I>&gt;<i> modes later.
+</I>&gt;<i> --#
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if posix.stat(&quot;/usr&quot;) == nil then
+</I>&gt;<i> posix.mkdir(&quot;/usr&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> end
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for i,dir in ipairs({&quot;/lib&quot;, &quot;/lib64&quot;, &quot;/sbin&quot;, &quot;/bin&quot;}) do
+</I>&gt;<i> if posix.stat(&quot;/usr&quot;..dir) == nil then
+</I>&gt;<i> posix.mkdir(&quot;/usr&quot;..dir)
+</I>&gt;<i> if posix.stat(dir, &quot;mode&quot;) == nil then
+</I>&gt;<i> posix.symlink(&quot;usr&quot;..dir, dir)
+</I>&gt;<i> end
+</I>&gt;<i> end
+</I>&gt;<i> end
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> return 0
+</I>&gt;<i> postinstall scriptlet (using &lt;lua&gt;):
+</I>&gt;<i> posix.symlink(&quot;../run&quot;, &quot;/var/run&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> posix.symlink(&quot;../run/lock&quot;, &quot;/var/lock&quot;)
+</I>
+We have pretty much the same script in our package if you look, but this
+does not process the move transition itself (i.e. there is nothing to
+move content from /bin to /usr/bin before rmdir'ing the dir and
+replacing it with a symlink).
+
+What this script achieves is to ensure that the filesystem layout is
+correct when installing the very first packages e.g. in a chroot. This
+is needed because some packages (not filesystem.rpm) may package a file
+/bin/foo. rpm does not guarentee ordering of the package installation
+transaction so if we install the foo package (which will trigger the
+installation of filesystem) we cannot guarentee that filesystem will be
+installed before foo and thus we need to prevent the creation of the
+/bin dir that would happen if foo was installed first.
+
+The comments in the script explain this pretty clearly.
+
+
+Regarding what does the actual move of files, I cannot say but if it
+happens automatically on a yum upgrade I'd certainly be interested to
+know how it's done without breaking things... Also I'm surprised that
+rpm let you do the upgrade as fedora have the same checks on their
+filesystem rpm as we do (i.e. it refuses to install if the /bin +
+friends are NOT symlinks)... so I'd be interested to know how this is
+done...
+
+Col
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+Sent yesterday, but not seen on-list, so apologies if this is a duplicate.
+
+I finally got around to connecting my netbook, which has been running
+Cauldron for some time. This was fully up to date before my holidays,
+and apart from the recent display problem (which as Angelo Naselli
+suspected, is a KDE problem) it has behaved beautifully. Today,
+though, needed almost 3 weeks worth of updates, and when it finished,
+it won't boot.
+
+There are obviously problems with my remote mounts, but we are talking
+in detail about that on another thread. Mostly things look to be
+going well up to that stage, then I see messages like
+
+Started RPC bind service
+Reached target Remote File Systems (Pre).
+Mounting /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data...
+Mounting /mnt/borg2/home...
+Mounting /mnt/borg2_Data1...
+Reached target RPC Port Mapper.
+Failed to mount /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data.
+See systemctl status /mnt-QNAS\x2dLydgate\x2dData.mount for details.
+.... (other similar pairs of lines)
+Dependency failed for Remote File Systems
+
+After these lines, suddenly two of the QNAS mounts (one of which is
+/mnt/QNAS/Lydgate-Data mentioned above) do succeed. The two borg2
+mounts still fail, as do some of the other QNAS mounts.
+
+A few more lines, and all looks reasonable, until
+
+[FAILED] Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit
+
+then
+Reached target Multi-User
+Reached target Graphical Interface
+
+and there it freezes.
+
+Later:
+
+I tried booting from the older kernel. On the graphical screen, it
+appears to get a lot further, 5 bubbles instead of 2, but when I tried
+it again watching the messages it appears to follow the same path as
+the new kernel boot, ending at the same place.
+
+Interestingly, though, the nfs mount that succeeds, after saying it
+had failed, was not the same one as yesterdays. Still, that's
+probably a side-issue.
+
+The situation now is that I appear to have a completely unusable M3.
+The line
+
+[DEPEND] Dependency failed for Remote File Systems
+
+is obviously important. Not knowing what that dependency is, I don't
+know whether it could do more damage than failing to mount remote
+systems. It doesn't sound likely, but....
+
+Anne
+- - --
+Need KDE help? Try
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 25/09/12 15:02 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Sent yesterday, but not seen on-list, so apologies if this is a duplicate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I finally got around to connecting my netbook, which has been running
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron for some time. This was fully up to date before my holidays,
+</I>&gt;<i> and apart from the recent display problem (which as Angelo Naselli
+</I>&gt;<i> suspected, is a KDE problem) it has behaved beautifully. Today,
+</I>&gt;<i> though, needed almost 3 weeks worth of updates, and when it finished,
+</I>&gt;<i> it won't boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are obviously problems with my remote mounts, but we are talking
+</I>&gt;<i> in detail about that on another thread. Mostly things look to be
+</I>&gt;<i> going well up to that stage, then I see messages like
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Started RPC bind service
+</I>&gt;<i> Reached target Remote File Systems (Pre).
+</I>&gt;<i> Mounting /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data...
+</I>&gt;<i> Mounting /mnt/borg2/home...
+</I>&gt;<i> Mounting /mnt/borg2_Data1...
+</I>&gt;<i> Reached target RPC Port Mapper.
+</I>&gt;<i> Failed to mount /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data.
+</I>&gt;<i> See systemctl status /mnt-QNAS\x2dLydgate\x2dData.mount for details.
+</I>&gt;<i> .... (other similar pairs of lines)
+</I>&gt;<i> Dependency failed for Remote File Systems
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After these lines, suddenly two of the QNAS mounts (one of which is
+</I>&gt;<i> /mnt/QNAS/Lydgate-Data mentioned above) do succeed. The two borg2
+</I>&gt;<i> mounts still fail, as do some of the other QNAS mounts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A few more lines, and all looks reasonable, until
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [FAILED] Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> then
+</I>&gt;<i> Reached target Multi-User
+</I>&gt;<i> Reached target Graphical Interface
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and there it freezes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Later:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried booting from the older kernel. On the graphical screen, it
+</I>&gt;<i> appears to get a lot further, 5 bubbles instead of 2, but when I tried
+</I>&gt;<i> it again watching the messages it appears to follow the same path as
+</I>&gt;<i> the new kernel boot, ending at the same place.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Interestingly, though, the nfs mount that succeeds, after saying it
+</I>&gt;<i> had failed, was not the same one as yesterdays. Still, that's
+</I>&gt;<i> probably a side-issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The situation now is that I appear to have a completely unusable M3.
+</I>&gt;<i> The line
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [DEPEND] Dependency failed for Remote File Systems
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> is obviously important. Not knowing what that dependency is, I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> know whether it could do more damage than failing to mount remote
+</I>&gt;<i> systems. It doesn't sound likely, but....
+</I>
+If the remote mounts are not critical, just add nofail to the fstab options.
+
+I suspect strongly that any issues with these mounts is entirely
+separate to the actual graphical boot.
+
+Personally, I was seeing crashes with qt4... perhaps try switching to
+gdm as you're DM and see if the graphical boot comes up OK, that way we
+could see easily if it's something high level.
+
+Also you could try and look and see what systemctl status prefdm.service
+says to you (you might need to switch to tty2).
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+<PRE>On 25 September 2012 15:19, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Regarding what does the actual move of files, I cannot say but if it
+</I>&gt;<i> happens automatically on a yum upgrade I'd certainly be interested to
+</I>&gt;<i> know how it's done without breaking things... Also I'm surprised that
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm let you do the upgrade as fedora have the same checks on their
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem rpm as we do (i.e. it refuses to install if the /bin +
+</I>&gt;<i> friends are NOT symlinks)... so I'd be interested to know how this is
+</I>&gt;<i> done...
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+I used <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum</A>
+but I did the FC16-&gt;17 between 1 and 2 months ago and I'm not
+sure if I had to do the dracut stuff anymore :-(
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+<PRE>On Monday 24 Sep 2012 14:12:53 Liam R E Quin wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Are the Liberation Font's UTF8 Complete?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Strictly speaking UTF-8 is an encoding, a way of representing 32-bit
+</I>&gt;<i> integers in as few bytes (octets) as possible while still working with
+</I>&gt;<i> text tools; those 32-bit integers are Unicode &quot;codepoints&quot;, indices into
+</I>&gt;<i> a table of characters published by the Unicode Consortium. Currently the
+</I>&gt;<i> table actually only needs I think 18 bits (more than 16 and less than 24
+</I>&gt;<i> at any rate), but is still growing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, asking for a single typeface to have a unified design for
+</I>&gt;<i> Vietnamese, Hindi, Traditional Chinese, Simplified Chinese, Japanese,
+</I>&gt;<i> English, French, Czech, Cree, ... is a tall order. You'd also have a
+</I>&gt;<i> rather large font file (probably between 500M and a gigabyte).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, the best approach is to choose smaller fonts that work OK with each
+</I>&gt;<i> other and give the best coverage.
+</I>
+Thanks for the explanation.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hope this helps. I responded to more than your question to try &amp; help
+</I>&gt;<i> others see the issues too :-)
+</I>
+Thinking about it my underlying questions are...
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+1) how do Magia ensure that all new installs get the right default fonts?
+Including installs where the user needs characters not supported by
+Liberation.
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+2) as a user I don't like to see incoming emails / web pages with blobs
+replacing missing characters.
+At least if the character is there I can always shove it through Google
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+On 25/09/12 15:41, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 25/09/12 15:02 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sent yesterday, but not seen on-list, so apologies if this is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> duplicate.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I finally got around to connecting my netbook, which has been
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> running Cauldron for some time. This was fully up to date
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before my holidays, and apart from the recent display problem
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (which as Angelo Naselli suspected, is a KDE problem) it has
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> behaved beautifully. Today, though, needed almost 3 weeks worth
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of updates, and when it finished, it won't boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are obviously problems with my remote mounts, but we are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> talking in detail about that on another thread. Mostly things
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> look to be going well up to that stage, then I see messages like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Started RPC bind service Reached target Remote File Systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Pre). Mounting /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data... Mounting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /mnt/borg2/home... Mounting /mnt/borg2_Data1... Reached target
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> RPC Port Mapper. Failed to mount /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data. See
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systemctl status /mnt-QNAS\x2dLydgate\x2dData.mount for details.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> .... (other similar pairs of lines) Dependency failed for Remote
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File Systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After these lines, suddenly two of the QNAS mounts (one of which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is /mnt/QNAS/Lydgate-Data mentioned above) do succeed. The two
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> borg2 mounts still fail, as do some of the other QNAS mounts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A few more lines, and all looks reasonable, until
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [FAILED] Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then Reached target Multi-User Reached target Graphical
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Interface
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and there it freezes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Later:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I tried booting from the older kernel. On the graphical screen,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it appears to get a lot further, 5 bubbles instead of 2, but when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I tried it again watching the messages it appears to follow the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> same path as the new kernel boot, ending at the same place.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Interestingly, though, the nfs mount that succeeds, after saying
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it had failed, was not the same one as yesterdays. Still, that's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> probably a side-issue.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The situation now is that I appear to have a completely unusable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> M3. The line
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [DEPEND] Dependency failed for Remote File Systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is obviously important. Not knowing what that dependency is, I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't know whether it could do more damage than failing to mount
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> remote systems. It doesn't sound likely, but....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the remote mounts are not critical, just add nofail to the
+</I>&gt;<i> fstab options.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suspect strongly that any issues with these mounts is entirely
+</I>&gt;<i> separate to the actual graphical boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Agreed. Adding nofail makes no difference. I've also tried removing
+all options, down to a minimum defaults. However, they shouldn't stop
+boot. FWIW, I'm still seeing that message about a dependency failure
+for remote file systems.
+
+&gt;<i> Personally, I was seeing crashes with qt4... perhaps try switching
+</I>&gt;<i> to gdm as you're DM and see if the graphical boot comes up OK,
+</I>&gt;<i> that way we could see easily if it's something high level.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No, gdm doesn't get that far either.
+
+&gt;<i> Also you could try and look and see what systemctl status
+</I>&gt;<i> prefdm.service says to you (you might need to switch to tty2).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>prefdm.service - Display Manager
+ Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/prefdm.service: static)
+ Active: inactive (dead)
+ CGroup: name=systemd:system/prefdm.service
+
+(This from looking over my shoulder, so ignore any typos)
+
+I'll worry about the mounts later - the first thing is to get the
+system back :-)
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 25/09/12 16:37 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 25/09/12 15:41, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 25/09/12 15:02 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sent yesterday, but not seen on-list, so apologies if this is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> duplicate.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I finally got around to connecting my netbook, which has been
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> running Cauldron for some time. This was fully up to date
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> before my holidays, and apart from the recent display problem
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (which as Angelo Naselli suspected, is a KDE problem) it has
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> behaved beautifully. Today, though, needed almost 3 weeks worth
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of updates, and when it finished, it won't boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are obviously problems with my remote mounts, but we are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> talking in detail about that on another thread. Mostly things
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> look to be going well up to that stage, then I see messages like
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Started RPC bind service Reached target Remote File Systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (Pre). Mounting /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data... Mounting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /mnt/borg2/home... Mounting /mnt/borg2_Data1... Reached target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> RPC Port Mapper. Failed to mount /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data. See
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemctl status /mnt-QNAS\x2dLydgate\x2dData.mount for details.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> .... (other similar pairs of lines) Dependency failed for Remote
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> File Systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> After these lines, suddenly two of the QNAS mounts (one of which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is /mnt/QNAS/Lydgate-Data mentioned above) do succeed. The two
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> borg2 mounts still fail, as do some of the other QNAS mounts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A few more lines, and all looks reasonable, until
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [FAILED] Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> then Reached target Multi-User Reached target Graphical
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Interface
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and there it freezes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Later:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I tried booting from the older kernel. On the graphical screen,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it appears to get a lot further, 5 bubbles instead of 2, but when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I tried it again watching the messages it appears to follow the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> same path as the new kernel boot, ending at the same place.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Interestingly, though, the nfs mount that succeeds, after saying
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it had failed, was not the same one as yesterdays. Still, that's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> probably a side-issue.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The situation now is that I appear to have a completely unusable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> M3. The line
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [DEPEND] Dependency failed for Remote File Systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is obviously important. Not knowing what that dependency is, I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> don't know whether it could do more damage than failing to mount
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> remote systems. It doesn't sound likely, but....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If the remote mounts are not critical, just add nofail to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fstab options.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I suspect strongly that any issues with these mounts is entirely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> separate to the actual graphical boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed. Adding nofail makes no difference. I've also tried removing
+</I>&gt;<i> all options, down to a minimum defaults. However, they shouldn't stop
+</I>&gt;<i> boot. FWIW, I'm still seeing that message about a dependency failure
+</I>&gt;<i> for remote file systems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Personally, I was seeing crashes with qt4... perhaps try switching
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to gdm as you're DM and see if the graphical boot comes up OK,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that way we could see easily if it's something high level.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, gdm doesn't get that far either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also you could try and look and see what systemctl status
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> prefdm.service says to you (you might need to switch to tty2).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> prefdm.service - Display Manager
+</I>&gt;<i> Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/prefdm.service: static)
+</I>&gt;<i> Active: inactive (dead)
+</I>&gt;<i> CGroup: name=systemd:system/prefdm.service
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (This from looking over my shoulder, so ignore any typos)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll worry about the mounts later - the first thing is to get the
+</I>&gt;<i> system back :-)
+</I>
+Can you try doing &quot;systemctl show prefdm.service | grep
+ActiveEnter.*Mono&quot; after a fresh boot.
+
+I don't need to know the results, just whether it's non-zero or still at 0.
+
+Assuming it's still at zero, then we've not even tried to start the
+graphical server.
+
+I suspect this is because we're considering your remote mounts as
+critical to the user sessions (i.e. think of /home on NFS). Normally,
+putting nofail in the fstab is enough to break this linkage.
+
+Can you comment out all remote mounts entirely and see if you can boot.
+
+If it still fails, then try starting prefdm.service manually (systemctl
+start prefdm.service) and see what happens.
+
+
+Col
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> Name : mihphoto Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.0.8 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Tue Sep 25 20:03:25 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Graphics Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 756067 License: GPLv3
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : matteo &lt;matteo&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="https://sites.google.com/site/mihplaesu/projects/mihphoto">https://sites.google.com/site/mihplaesu/projects/mihphoto</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Touch-friendly image viewer
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> MihPhoto is meant to be a simple touchscreen-friendly image viewer.
+</I>&gt;<i> There a lot of very good image viewers, including many opensource ones,
+</I>&gt;<i> but most of them are very difficult to handle on a touchscreen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This application was designed with touchscreens in mind so it is most useful
+</I>&gt;<i> if you have a touchscreen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To use the application just open an image; then you can use a swipe gesture
+</I>&gt;<i> to browse trough all the images located in the same folder as the first one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> matteo &lt;matteo&gt; 1.0.8-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 297742
+</I>&gt;<i> - added missing Group
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package mihphoto
+</I>
+The description needs fixed.
+
+&gt;<i> There a lot of very good image viewers
+</I>This should be &quot; there are a lot of.......&quot;
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+&gt;<i> Le 25/09/2012 10:39, AL13N a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Before publishing topics, are there some to be listed you would think
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; about ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - bug 2317 (can this be pushed 'before' other backport patches?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Didn't you propose last week to work on it ?
+</I>
+
+not on this, on the backport patches, the ones for 2317 strictly are ready
+imho, this is the reason i asked to have these existing 3 patches submitted
+already before those other 2 are ready.
+
+been a bit busy and bad internet, but will try to work on it.
+
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+&gt;<i> &gt; - rpmdrake advisories showing up (descriptions file) aka validate tool for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; QA to push updates themselves (less sysadmin work)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - iso discussion finalization... asap
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please re read your mail. Deadline for proposals is tomorrow
+</I>
+
+ah, ok, my mistake...
+
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+&gt;<i> &gt; lower priority:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - ARM progress (raspberri pi)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - backport progress
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+&gt;<i> 25.09.2012 13:03, Olivier Blin kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have any example of such thirdparty software using it?
+</I>&gt;<i> No. But draksnapshot was a good example for quite sometime. If there
+</I>&gt;<i> are no packages that require it and it is removed from mga3 repos then
+</I>&gt;<i> i see no reason to add it as obsolete and stop those using it who need
+</I>&gt;<i> it for some reason. To me it seems like overusing task-obsolete.
+</I>&gt;<i> But don't get me wrong, i want it to be dead :)
+</I>
+The reason is automatically removing hal from upgraded systems, and not
+having an obsolete daemon running for nothing.
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+&gt;<i> The changes in default fonts might be related to recent
+</I>&gt;<i> fonts-ttf-liberation update. Since 2.00, this package ships fontconfig
+</I>&gt;<i> settings that by default substitute Liberation fonts for &quot;sans-serif&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;serif&quot; and &quot;mono&quot; families. This is done
+</I>&gt;<i> by /etc/fonts/conf.d/59-liberation-*.conf files (in fact, just symlinks
+</I>&gt;<i> to /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/59-liberation-*.conf). I am too much
+</I>&gt;<i> accustomed to my usual font set, so I trashed those symlinks
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+This topic came up in the packagers meeting. It was stated that:
+- the change was initiated by Thierry Vignaud (tv)
+- the change was also done in Fedora
+
+Of course, I wondered if it's only been done in Rawhide, if maybe nobody has
+seen it to complain about it yet :o)
+
+Anyway, it would be nice if a decision could be made on this before next week's
+alpha 2, and I was asked to e-mail the list about this by Anne.
+
+Possibilities:
+1) revert this change
+2) someone put their foot down and decide we're sticking with this
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+If 2, it'd be nice to have an explanation of why that users could be pointed to,
+as a lot of people have asked about this on IRC as well (and will continue to,
+I imagine). Also, if it's really that bothersome for some people, maybe it would
+be good to have an easy way for users to change this locally.
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:03:18 +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Fedora removed it one year ago already:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/HalRemoval">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/HalRemoval</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have any example of such thirdparty software using it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Flash DRM: <A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682370">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682370</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Although one can discuss whether you need to keep hal just for such
+</I>&gt;<i> questionable goals...
+</I>
+Well, Fedora is living with this issue too.
+
+And it seems Adobe has no plan to change that :-/
+<A HREF="http://forums.adobe.com/message/4574892">http://forums.adobe.com/message/4574892</A>
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+&gt;<i> Name : iftop Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 0.17 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 9.mga3 Build Date: Tue Sep 25 17:51:25 2012
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 0.17-9.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 297720
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for new ncurses ABI (broken by #7235)
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+After a configuration change in ncurses (from bug #7235), it seems that
+the ncurses ABI has been broken.
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+Thierry, any plan/roadmap for a mass rebuild of ncurses users?
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+I've been really busy at work, and don't have much time to work on these, so help is needed. Thanks to all that have helped so far.
+
+Also, Manuel pointed out a bugzilla search that will typically contain most of these.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=comp:secu+-@qa-b">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=comp:secu+-@qa-b</A>
+
+......... updated initial message below ........
+
+There are several packages that need security updates that either have not been built yet, or there are some issues that need help and/or input from packagers.
+
+Please help out with these where you can.
+
+I'll try to organize these into categories and give a little info on them so it's easy to see if you can and want to help.
+
+Web apps
+--------
+mediawiki - versions we have are at or nearing EOL upstream, probably should be updated. Oliver Burger is working on this.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448</A>
+
+drupal - update built, issues found by QA need fixing. Oliver Burger is working on this.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844</A>
+
+roundcubemail - issues fixed upstream in 0.8.1, or 0.7.3 + patch from Fedora
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7246">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7246</A>
+
+zabbix - issues fixed in 1.8.15 upstream, two possible patches linked in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7277">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7277</A>
+
+otrs - issue fixed in 3.1.10
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7527">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7527</A>
+
+GNOME software
+--------------
+spice-gtk/glib2.0 - patches available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7536">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7536</A>
+
+empathy - XSS issues fixed upstream in 3.2.1 (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7008">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7008</A>
+
+libvirt - patches available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6526">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6526</A>
+
+libgnomesu - re-diffing the patch might be non-trivial since OpenSuSE has many other patches too
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7068">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7068</A>
+
+gjs - doesn't rebuild against xulrunner in Mageia 1, but doesn't seem to be used by anything
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382</A>
+
+Games
+-----
+openarena, alienarena - affected by DoS bug in quake3 engine. Juan Luis Baptiste is working on this.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5496">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5496</A>
+
+Java-related
+------------
+jruby - fixed upstream in 1.6.5.1
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6742">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6742</A>
+
+poi - In progress by D Morgan. Additional updates pending.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6011">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6011</A>
+
+apache-commons-compress - In progress by D Morgan. Mageia 1 updates pending.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331</A>
+
+apache-commons-daemon - fixed upstream in 1.0.7 (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7004">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7004</A>
+
+Ruby-related
+------------
+Several security issues, one possible packaging issue
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6487">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6487</A>
+
+No response has been received from packagers yet
+------------------------------------------------
+openafs - patches available from Debian, plus a newer version is in Mageia 1 than Mageia 2
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7085">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7085</A>
+
+openswan - patches are available from RedHat, one needs re-diffing
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7095">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7095</A>
+
+freeradius - patch should be available from Debian
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7447">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7447</A>
+
+blender - patches available from Fedora
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7065">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7065</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7518">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7518</A>
+
+rpmdevtools - issue fixed in 8.3
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7465">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7465</A>
+
+erlang - issue fixed in R14B03 (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7062">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7062</A>
+
+fuse - patches available from RedHat (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7063">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7063</A>
+
+libvoikko - issue fixed in 3.2.1 (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7067">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7067</A>
+
+php-ZendFramework - issues fixed upstream in 1.11.6 (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7083">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7083</A>
+
+abrt/libreport/btparser - should probably be upgraded to newer versions available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6523">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6523</A>
+
+sos - 62 patches available from Fedora
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6525">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6525</A>
+
+x11-server - upstream diffs linked by RedHat, maybe patches available from Ubuntu or Gentoo, plus other security issues fixed by RH/OpenSuSE/Ubuntu
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6744">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6744</A>
+
+In progress (help needed to finish)
+-----------------------------------
+xen - more patches need applied in Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 branches
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931</A>
+
+argyllcms/icclib - file conflicts between these two packages need to be resolved
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7464">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7464</A>
+
+ganglia - some issues found by QA need to be addressed
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+<PRE>We already have a grub2 package which needs integrating into Mageia tools.
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+This is beyond my capabilities, so I am calling for developers who are
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+The package already handles kernel updates.
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+The installer, drakboot etc. will need some work.
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 25 september 2012 21:48:33 schreef Barry Jackson:
+&gt;<i> We already have a grub2 package which needs integrating into Mageia tools.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is beyond my capabilities, so I am calling for developers who are
+</I>&gt;<i> able to do this work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The package already handles kernel updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The installer, drakboot etc. will need some work.
+</I>
+should this be made as an alternative to lilo, grub, grub-text ? to add grub2
+to that list? and make it actually generate proper code?
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+or are we obsoleting grub1?
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+imho, perhaps it's better to add grub2 and grub2-text to that list... so we
+don't have to handle conversions...
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+<PRE>PhilippeDidier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi ! Happy packagers...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm trying to build some missing rpms that exist in Mandriva-contrib but
+</I>&gt;<i> not yet in Mageia... (most of them concern Computer Aided Music)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gig
+</I>&gt;<i> linuxsampler
+</I>&gt;<i> gigedit
+</I>&gt;<i> qsampler
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> linuxsampler depends on gig
+</I>&gt;<i> gigedit and qsampler depend on linuxsampler
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I use the same spec files and sources and patches as in Mandriva...
+</I>&gt;<i> (with minor cosmetic changes)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's OK for gig
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm having problem with linuxsampler that could be built for
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva2010.2 but that can't be with Mageia2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I get several times this kind of message when running rpmbuild -ba
+</I>&gt;<i> (before it aborts) :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ../src/plugins/.libs/liblinuxsamplerplugins.a(InstrumentEditorFactory.o): In
+</I>&gt;<i> function `__exchange_and_add_dispatch':
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mageia-linux-gnu/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/ext/atomicity.h:80:
+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ../src/common/.libs/liblinuxsamplercommon.a(Path.o): In function
+</I>&gt;<i> `__exchange_and_add_dispatch':
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mageia-linux-gnu/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/ext/atomicity.h:80:
+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What may cause this ?
+</I>&gt;<i> libpthread-2.1.14-1.so is of course present and linked in /lib/ and
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib/i686
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but there's an empty libpthread.so file in /usr/lib/
+</I>&gt;<i> (same as in Mandriva) does it induces any confusion ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any idea ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for your help...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Philippe
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Last news ...
+
+Thanks to your help and patience and pedagogy
+I could package :
+gig
+liblscp
+linuwsampler
+and test them ... OK !
+
+But it's not enough :
+I could package
+Qsampler too (a GUI for linuxsampler which is useless without a GUI)
+But Qsampler sometimes segfaults... it's a known upstream bug which is
+not yet fixed ! (it worked well with the previous versions of qt4-devel
+provided by Mandriva 2010.2) I don't think it's nice to provide it now
+as it is.
+
+
+I can provide the spec and patches files through bugzilla in package
+requests
+
+But it's useless without a working and safe GUI ...
+If someone want to test them (knowing that it is not ready to use)
+ May I use the package request in spite of this errors perhaps with a
+warning ?
+
+
+Nevertheless we can use an opensource java interface (provided by the
+linuxsampler team)
+I tested it : there's no segfault
+
+Two way to package it :
+- simply provide a platform independent Java executable (already built
+by linuxsampler team, tested and working with Mageia's JRE ) with a
+desktop file and the jar file in a easy to create rpm... but not
+providing the source code
+- build a package from sources with the Mageia's openJDK
+
+What is the Mageia policy about jar files ?
+
+Last but not least I'm still stuck with gigedit
+it seems to be an autoconfigure problem
+
+Any volunteer (need to have built and installed gig, liblscp and
+linuxsampler first)
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+ <B>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou</B>
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+<PRE>Dear packagers,
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+Tonight, following the packagers meeting, we agreed on a new RPM group
+policy.
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+The current policy is described at:
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
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+The new policy is presented at:
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp</A>
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+This change in policy means that I will take the following actions by
+the end of the week:
+ * update the wikipage <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+ * patch rpmlint to refuse new packages that do not follow the new
+ policy (I will send another email to -dev just before submitting
+ the new rpmlint).
+ * create a bug report tracking the packages that need to change group.
+ * mail -dev about the packages that are currently in wrong groups
+ (even with respect to the current policy) so that their maintainers
+ can take proper action within 2 weeks. After that, I will change
+ the groups myself
+ * mail -dev about the packages that are correct with respect to
+ current policy but need to be updated to respect the new policy.
+ For these packages, the deadline will be beta1 (12/12) to complete
+ the changes, which means that I will start doing the moves by
+ myself by Alpha 3 (06/11).
+
+I will mail -dev at each step on the way, so don't worry too much now.
+
+I hope the new RPM groups will make it easier for everyone to find
+packages in rpmdrake and other tools. It will be a bit annoying for
+every packager, but it's a good opportunity to revisit many package
+specs before mga3 and make Mageia better.
+
+Cheers,
+--
+Malo
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+&gt;&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 0.17-9.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 297720
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new ncurses ABI (broken by #7235)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After a configuration change in ncurses (from bug #7235), it seems that
+</I>&gt;<i> the ncurses ABI has been broken.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thierry, any plan/roadmap for a mass rebuild of ncurses users?
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+&gt;<i> We already have a grub2 package which needs integrating into Mageia tools.
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+</I>&gt;<i> This is beyond my capabilities, so I am calling for developers who are able
+</I>&gt;<i> to do this work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The package already handles kernel updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The installer, drakboot etc. will need some work.
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Description :
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+&gt;<i> jquelin &lt;jquelin&gt; 0.9.11-1.mga3:
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09perl-App-Module-Locate-0.500.0-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3CCAONrEtaT8V3yaLZR%3DAGinFuqd-YowSAvNFXOfWxnryePTgh9%2Bg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+&gt;<i> jquelin &lt;jquelin&gt; 0.500.0-1.mga3:
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 25/09/12 21:32 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I just submitted accountsservice 0.6.25.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The other bugs I guess should be mentioned. We have systemd 189 at the
+</I>&gt;<i> moment...
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+192 landing &quot;soon&quot; (built here, just not yet fully tested). If it's
+ready by tonight I might push it but will double check with Anne/Thomas
+re ISOs and any problems it may cause.
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+I avoided 190 and 191 deliberately due to some issues that have now been
+resolved in 192.
+
+As well as the bug you listed regarding sessions not closing, I also
+fixed another bug that caused gdms own session never to exit (due it's
+use of PulseAudio and PA's systemd-login module which caused a &quot;closing&quot;
+state deadlock which prevented sessions from fully closing).
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+These patches (in systemd) are all included upstream now.
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ <B>Barry Jackson</B>
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+<PRE>On 26/09/12 09:10, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> send me what a typical config file would look with the corresponding grub1 conf
+</I>&gt;<i> file.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think I can see where you are heading.
+Grub2 generates it own grub.cfg using os-prober, so maybe some work not
+needed.
+
+Additional entries to the grub2 menu (anything not found by os-prober)
+need adding to /etc/grub.d/40_custom and are incuded when the menu is
+re-built. If thay are added to grub.cfg they will be overwritten at
+kernel update etc.
+
+I have attached grub.cfg and menu.lst from a vbox installation of mga3
+running grub2. It is a lot less noisy than those on my desktop.
+
+For basic grub2 commands see my README.Mageia in the package.
+
+Barry
+-------------- next part --------------
+#
+# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE
+#
+# It is automatically generated by grub2-mkconfig using templates
+# from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub
+#
+
+### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/00_header ###
+if [ -s $prefix/grubenv ]; then
+ load_env
+fi
+set default=&quot;0&quot;
+
+if [ x&quot;${feature_menuentry_id}&quot; = xy ]; then
+ menuentry_id_option=&quot;--id&quot;
+else
+ menuentry_id_option=&quot;&quot;
+fi
+
+export menuentry_id_option
+
+if [ &quot;${prev_saved_entry}&quot; ]; then
+ set saved_entry=&quot;${prev_saved_entry}&quot;
+ save_env saved_entry
+ set prev_saved_entry=
+ save_env prev_saved_entry
+ set boot_once=true
+fi
+
+function savedefault {
+ if [ -z &quot;${boot_once}&quot; ]; then
+ saved_entry=&quot;${chosen}&quot;
+ save_env saved_entry
+ fi
+}
+
+function load_video {
+ if [ x$feature_all_video_module = xy ]; then
+ insmod all_video
+ else
+ insmod efi_gop
+ insmod efi_uga
+ insmod ieee1275_fb
+ insmod vbe
+ insmod vga
+ insmod video_bochs
+ insmod video_cirrus
+ fi
+}
+
+if loadfont unicode ; then
+ set gfxmode=1024x768x32
+ load_video
+ insmod gfxterm
+ set locale_dir=$prefix/locale
+ set lang=en_GB
+ insmod gettext
+fi
+terminal_output gfxterm
+insmod part_msdos
+insmod ext2
+set root='hd0,msdos1'
+if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint-bios=hd0,msdos1 --hint-efi=hd0,msdos1 --hint-baremetal=ahci0,msdos1 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+else
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+fi
+insmod gfxmenu
+insmod png
+set theme=($root)/boot/grub2/themes/maggy/theme.txt
+export theme
+set timeout=5
+### END /etc/grub.d/00_header ###
+
+### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ###
+menuentry 'Mageia GNU/Linux' --class mageia --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-simple-6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf' {
+ set gfxpayload=text
+ insmod gzio
+ insmod part_msdos
+ insmod ext2
+ set root='hd0,msdos1'
+ if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint-bios=hd0,msdos1 --hint-efi=hd0,msdos1 --hint-baremetal=ahci0,msdos1 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ else
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ fi
+ echo 'Loading Linux desktop ...'
+ linux /boot/vmlinuz-desktop root=UUID=6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf ro splash
+ echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
+ initrd /boot/initrd-desktop.img
+}
+submenu 'Advanced options for Mageia GNU/Linux' $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-advanced-6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf' {
+ menuentry 'Mageia GNU/Linux, with Linux desktop' --class mageia --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-desktop-advanced-6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf' {
+ set gfxpayload=text
+ insmod gzio
+ insmod part_msdos
+ insmod ext2
+ set root='hd0,msdos1'
+ if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint-bios=hd0,msdos1 --hint-efi=hd0,msdos1 --hint-baremetal=ahci0,msdos1 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ else
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ fi
+ echo 'Loading Linux desktop ...'
+ linux /boot/vmlinuz-desktop root=UUID=6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf ro splash
+ echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
+ initrd /boot/initrd-desktop.img
+ }
+ menuentry 'Mageia GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.5.4-desktop-1.mga3' --class mageia --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-3.5.4-desktop-1.mga3-advanced-6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf' {
+ set gfxpayload=text
+ insmod gzio
+ insmod part_msdos
+ insmod ext2
+ set root='hd0,msdos1'
+ if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint-bios=hd0,msdos1 --hint-efi=hd0,msdos1 --hint-baremetal=ahci0,msdos1 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ else
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ fi
+ echo 'Loading Linux 3.5.4-desktop-1.mga3 ...'
+ linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.4-desktop-1.mga3 root=UUID=6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf ro splash
+ echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
+ initrd /boot/initrd-3.5.4-desktop-1.mga3.img
+ }
+ menuentry 'Mageia GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.5.3-desktop-1.mga3' --class mageia --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-3.5.3-desktop-1.mga3-advanced-6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf' {
+ set gfxpayload=text
+ insmod gzio
+ insmod part_msdos
+ insmod ext2
+ set root='hd0,msdos1'
+ if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint-bios=hd0,msdos1 --hint-efi=hd0,msdos1 --hint-baremetal=ahci0,msdos1 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ else
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ fi
+ echo 'Loading Linux 3.5.3-desktop-1.mga3 ...'
+ linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.3-desktop-1.mga3 root=UUID=6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf ro splash
+ echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
+ initrd /boot/initrd-3.5.3-desktop-1.mga3.img
+ }
+ menuentry 'Mageia GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.5.2-desktop-1.mga3' --class mageia --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-3.5.2-desktop-1.mga3-advanced-6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf' {
+ set gfxpayload=text
+ insmod gzio
+ insmod part_msdos
+ insmod ext2
+ set root='hd0,msdos1'
+ if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint-bios=hd0,msdos1 --hint-efi=hd0,msdos1 --hint-baremetal=ahci0,msdos1 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ else
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ fi
+ echo 'Loading Linux 3.5.2-desktop-1.mga3 ...'
+ linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.2-desktop-1.mga3 root=UUID=6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf ro splash
+ echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
+ initrd /boot/initrd-3.5.2-desktop-1.mga3.img
+ }
+ menuentry 'Mageia GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.5.0-desktop-1.mga3' --class mageia --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-3.5.0-desktop-1.mga3-advanced-6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf' {
+ set gfxpayload=text
+ insmod gzio
+ insmod part_msdos
+ insmod ext2
+ set root='hd0,msdos1'
+ if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint-bios=hd0,msdos1 --hint-efi=hd0,msdos1 --hint-baremetal=ahci0,msdos1 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ else
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ fi
+ echo 'Loading Linux 3.5.0-desktop-1.mga3 ...'
+ linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-desktop-1.mga3 root=UUID=6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf ro splash
+ echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
+ initrd /boot/initrd-3.5.0-desktop-1.mga3.img
+ }
+ menuentry 'Mageia GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.4.6-desktop-1.mga3' --class mageia --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-3.4.6-desktop-1.mga3-advanced-6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf' {
+ set gfxpayload=text
+ insmod gzio
+ insmod part_msdos
+ insmod ext2
+ set root='hd0,msdos1'
+ if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint-bios=hd0,msdos1 --hint-efi=hd0,msdos1 --hint-baremetal=ahci0,msdos1 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ else
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ fi
+ echo 'Loading Linux 3.4.6-desktop-1.mga3 ...'
+ linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.4.6-desktop-1.mga3 root=UUID=6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf ro splash
+ echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
+ initrd /boot/initrd-3.4.6-desktop-1.mga3.img
+ }
+ menuentry 'Mageia GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.4.5-desktop-1.mga3' --class mageia --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-3.4.5-desktop-1.mga3-advanced-6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf' {
+ set gfxpayload=text
+ insmod gzio
+ insmod part_msdos
+ insmod ext2
+ set root='hd0,msdos1'
+ if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint-bios=hd0,msdos1 --hint-efi=hd0,msdos1 --hint-baremetal=ahci0,msdos1 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ else
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ fi
+ echo 'Loading Linux 3.4.5-desktop-1.mga3 ...'
+ linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.4.5-desktop-1.mga3 root=UUID=6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf ro splash
+ echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
+ initrd /boot/initrd-3.4.5-desktop-1.mga3.img
+ }
+ menuentry 'Mageia GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.4.4-desktop-2.mga3' --class mageia --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-3.4.4-desktop-2.mga3-advanced-6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf' {
+ set gfxpayload=text
+ insmod gzio
+ insmod part_msdos
+ insmod ext2
+ set root='hd0,msdos1'
+ if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint-bios=hd0,msdos1 --hint-efi=hd0,msdos1 --hint-baremetal=ahci0,msdos1 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ else
+ search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf
+ fi
+ echo 'Loading Linux 3.4.4-desktop-2.mga3 ...'
+ linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.4.4-desktop-2.mga3 root=UUID=6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf ro splash
+ echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
+ initrd /boot/initrd-3.4.4-desktop-2.mga3.img
+ }
+}
+
+### END /etc/grub.d/10_linux ###
+
+### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen ###
+### END /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen ###
+
+### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
+### END /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
+
+### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/40_custom ###
+# This file provides an easy way to add custom menu entries. Simply type the
+# menu entries you want to add after this comment. Be careful not to change
+# the 'exec tail' line above.
+### END /etc/grub.d/40_custom ###
+
+### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/41_custom ###
+if [ -f ${config_directory}/custom.cfg ]; then
+ source ${config_directory}/custom.cfg
+elif [ -z &quot;${config_directory}&quot; -a -f $prefix/custom.cfg ]; then
+ source $prefix/custom.cfg;
+fi
+### END /etc/grub.d/41_custom ###
+
+### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/90_persistent ###
+### END /etc/grub.d/90_persistent ###
+-------------- next part --------------
+timeout 10
+color black/cyan yellow/cyan
+gfxmenu (hd0,0)/boot/gfxmenu
+default 0
+
+title linux
+kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf splash quiet resume=UUID=3084b22c-e1c0-40af-8d1b-ebd7506cb16a vga=788
+initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.img
+
+title linux-nonfb
+kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz BOOT_IMAGE=linux-nonfb root=UUID=6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf resume=UUID=3084b22c-e1c0-40af-8d1b-ebd7506cb16a
+initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.img
+
+title failsafe
+kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz BOOT_IMAGE=failsafe root=UUID=6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf failsafe
+initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.img
+
+title desktop 3.4.4-2.mga3
+kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz-3.4.4-desktop-2.mga3 BOOT_IMAGE=desktop_3.4.4-2.mga3 root=UUID=6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf splash quiet resume=UUID=3084b22c-e1c0-40af-8d1b-ebd7506cb16a vga=788
+initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd-3.4.4-desktop-2.mga3.img
+
+title desktop 3.4.5-1.mga3
+kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz-3.4.5-desktop-1.mga3 BOOT_IMAGE=desktop_3.4.5-1.mga3 root=UUID=6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf splash quiet resume=UUID=3084b22c-e1c0-40af-8d1b-ebd7506cb16a vga=788
+initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd-3.4.5-desktop-1.mga3.img
+
+title desktop 3.4.6-1.mga3
+kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz-3.4.6-desktop-1.mga3 BOOT_IMAGE=desktop_3.4.6-1.mga3 root=UUID=6e6a4414-2fff-413b-b224-4675025cb4cf splash quiet resume=UUID=3084b22c-e1c0-40af-8d1b-ebd7506cb16a vga=788
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+<PRE>On 25/09/12 23:17, AL13N wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> should this be made as an alternative to lilo, grub, grub-text ? to add grub2
+</I>&gt;<i> to that list? and make it actually generate proper code?
+</I>
+That may be a good way to introduce grub2 whist keeping grub as a fall-back
+Not sure what you mean about &quot;proper code&quot;
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or are we obsoleting grub1?
+</I>
+I guess that will be the long term aim, but I think mga3 is maybe too
+soon now.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> imho, perhaps it's better to add grub2 and grub2-text to that list... so we
+</I>&gt;<i> don't have to handle conversions...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes.
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+Colin, I sent this last evening, but I haven't seen it on-list. For
+some reason a fair number of my messages don't get through. Could it
+be that the digital signing worries the filters?
+
+Anne
+
+- -------- Original Message --------
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:37:20 +0100
+From: Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">annew at kde.org</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+On 25/09/12 15:41, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 25/09/12 15:02 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sent yesterday, but not seen on-list, so apologies if this is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> duplicate.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I finally got around to connecting my netbook, which has been
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> running Cauldron for some time. This was fully up to date before
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my holidays, and apart from the recent display problem (which as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Angelo Naselli suspected, is a KDE problem) it has behaved
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> beautifully. Today, though, needed almost 3 weeks worth of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates, and when it finished, it won't boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are obviously problems with my remote mounts, but we are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> talking in detail about that on another thread. Mostly things
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> look to be going well up to that stage, then I see messages like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Started RPC bind service Reached target Remote File Systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Pre). Mounting /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data... Mounting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /mnt/borg2/home... Mounting /mnt/borg2_Data1... Reached target
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> RPC Port Mapper. Failed to mount /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data. See
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systemctl status /mnt-QNAS\x2dLydgate\x2dData.mount for details.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> .... (other similar pairs of lines) Dependency failed for Remote
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File Systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After these lines, suddenly two of the QNAS mounts (one of which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is /mnt/QNAS/Lydgate-Data mentioned above) do succeed. The two
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> borg2 mounts still fail, as do some of the other QNAS mounts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A few more lines, and all looks reasonable, until
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [FAILED] Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then Reached target Multi-User Reached target Graphical
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Interface
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and there it freezes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Later:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I tried booting from the older kernel. On the graphical screen,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it appears to get a lot further, 5 bubbles instead of 2, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when I tried it again watching the messages it appears to follow
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the same path as the new kernel boot, ending at the same place.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Interestingly, though, the nfs mount that succeeds, after saying
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it had failed, was not the same one as yesterdays. Still,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that's probably a side-issue.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The situation now is that I appear to have a completely unusable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> M3. The line
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [DEPEND] Dependency failed for Remote File Systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is obviously important. Not knowing what that dependency is, I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't know whether it could do more damage than failing to mount
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> remote systems. It doesn't sound likely, but....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the remote mounts are not critical, just add nofail to the fstab
+</I>&gt;<i> options.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suspect strongly that any issues with these mounts is entirely
+</I>&gt;<i> separate to the actual graphical boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Agreed. Adding nofail makes no difference. I've also tried removing
+all options, down to a minimum defaults. However, they shouldn't stop
+boot. FWIW, I'm still seeing that message about a dependency failure
+for remote file systems.
+
+&gt;<i> Personally, I was seeing crashes with qt4... perhaps try switching
+</I>&gt;<i> to gdm as you're DM and see if the graphical boot comes up OK,
+</I>&gt;<i> that way we could see easily if it's something high level.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No, gdm doesn't get that far either.
+
+&gt;<i> Also you could try and look and see what systemctl status
+</I>&gt;<i> prefdm.service says to you (you might need to switch to tty2).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>prefdm.service - Display Manager
+ Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/prefdm.service: static)
+ Active: inactive (dead)
+ CGroup: name=systemd:system/prefdm.service
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+(This from looking over my shoulder, so ignore any typos)
+
+I'll worry about the mounts later - the first thing is to get the
+system back :-)
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>On Tue, 25 Sep 2012, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Dear packagers,
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+</I>&gt;<i> Tonight, following the packagers meeting, we agreed on a new RPM group
+</I>&gt;<i> policy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The current policy is described at:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The new policy is presented at:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This change in policy means that I will take the following actions by
+</I>&gt;<i> the end of the week:
+</I>&gt;<i> * update the wikipage <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> * patch rpmlint to refuse new packages that do not follow the new
+</I>&gt;<i> policy (I will send another email to -dev just before submitting
+</I>&gt;<i> the new rpmlint).
+</I>
+On build system, we also need to update youri to use the old rpmlint
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+&gt;<i> Colin, I sent this last evening, but I haven't seen it on-list. For
+</I>&gt;<i> some reason a fair number of my messages don't get through. Could it
+</I>&gt;<i> be that the digital signing worries the filters?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
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+I can see your (previous) mail, just like I saw the previous mail you
+resend.
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+Are you using GMail?
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+&gt;<i> On 26.09.2012 18:00, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin, I sent this last evening, but I haven't seen it on-list. For
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some reason a fair number of my messages don't get through. Could it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be that the digital signing worries the filters?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can see your (previous) mail, just like I saw the previous mail you
+</I>&gt;<i> resend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you using GMail?
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+I did not see the previous mail, I use gmail. But I see that other
+people (like Marja) use to gpg-sign their mails to the lists, so this
+can't be the cause.
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+&gt;<i> I finally got around to connecting my netbook, which has been running
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron for some time. This was fully up to date before my holidays,
+</I>&gt;<i> and apart from the recent display problem (which as Angelo Naselli
+</I>&gt;<i> suspected, is a KDE problem) it has behaved beautifully. Today,
+</I>&gt;<i> though, needed almost 3 weeks worth of updates, and when it finished,
+</I>&gt;<i> it won't boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are obviously problems with my remote mounts, but we are talking
+</I>&gt;<i> in detail about that on another thread. Mostly things look to be
+</I>&gt;<i> going well up to that stage, then I see messages like
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Started RPC bind service
+</I>&gt;<i> Reached target Remote File Systems (Pre).
+</I>&gt;<i> Mounting /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data...
+</I>&gt;<i> Mounting /mnt/borg2/home...
+</I>&gt;<i> Mounting /mnt/borg2_Data1...
+</I>&gt;<i> Reached target RPC Port Mapper.
+</I>&gt;<i> Failed to mount /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data.
+</I>&gt;<i> See systemctl status /mnt-QNAS\x2dLydgate\x2dData.mount for details.
+</I>&gt;<i> .... (other similar pairs of lines)
+</I>&gt;<i> Dependency failed for Remote File Systems
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After these lines, suddenly two of the QNAS mounts (one of which is
+</I>&gt;<i> /mnt/QNAS/Lydgate-Data mentioned above) do succeed. The two borg2
+</I>&gt;<i> mounts still fail, as do some of the other QNAS mounts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A few more lines, and all looks reasonable, until
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [FAILED] Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> then
+</I>&gt;<i> Reached target Multi-User
+</I>&gt;<i> Reached target Graphical Interface
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and there it freezes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Anne, can you see this now?
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+&gt;<i> 2012/9/26 Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 26.09.2012 18:00, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin, I sent this last evening, but I haven't seen it on-list. For
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> some reason a fair number of my messages don't get through. Could it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be that the digital signing worries the filters?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can see your (previous) mail, just like I saw the previous mail you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> resend.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Are you using GMail?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did not see the previous mail, I use gmail. But I see that other
+</I>&gt;<i> people (like Marja) use to gpg-sign their mails to the lists, so this
+</I>&gt;<i> can't be the cause.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I've seen that you can't see your own mail to ML when using GMail with
+some mail client (like TB). And when replying to mails on MLs, you can
+see your own mail only if you chosed from settings to do a local copy of
+sent mail to the folder where the original mail is located.
+
+Dunno if this is a feature of GMail or some misconfiguration from my side.
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+&gt;<i> On 17 September 2012 21:37, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 1.83-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 295551
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - fix modules.order so that cciss got detected (mga#5833)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - use new hotplug (mga#6323)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You are duplicating (with full knowledge it seems) the /sbin/hotplug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> script written by make_boot_img. As you noticed, it relied on /bin/sh.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The shell used to be provided not only for KA, but also to provide a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> convenience shell in stage1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Couldn't we add a shell back?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For years, we only add this shell if DEBUGSTAGE1 was set.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is still the case
+</I>&gt;<i> Then for a couple years, stage1 got bloated with KA stuff including busybox
+</I>&gt;<i> (and thus a shell) by Antoine.
+</I>
+But when KA has been merged in stage1, we meant to keep the shell.
+
+&gt;<i> We're just back at prior state.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you need to debug, you can still rebuild stage1 package with the debug
+</I>&gt;<i> option.
+</I>
+It's not only me, it is also to ease reporting bugs about stage1.
+Otherwise, there is no way to get a look at the debug log from stage1.
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+&gt;<i> On 25 September 2012 21:59, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 0.17-9.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 297720
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new ncurses ABI (broken by #7235)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After a configuration change in ncurses (from bug #7235), it seems that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the ncurses ABI has been broken.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thierry, any plan/roadmap for a mass rebuild of ncurses users?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, will be done when someone will do the mass rebuild for the new
+</I>&gt;<i> build chain
+</I>
+It would be better to rebuild all ncurses programs before alpha2,
+because this change broke most of them.
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+ <B>Anssi Hannula</B>
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+&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> disable 'fortify' to prevent crashes (mga#6723)
+</I>[...
+&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/wine/current/SPECS/wine.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- cauldron/wine/current/SPECS/wine.spec 2012-09-12 19:02:56 UTC (rev 293157)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/wine/current/SPECS/wine.spec 2012-09-12 19:13:38 UTC (rev 293158)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -25,7 +25,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> Name: wine
+</I>&gt;<i> Version: 1.5.12
+</I>&gt;<i> %define pre 0
+</I>&gt;<i> -%define rel 1
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define rel 2
+</I>&gt;<i> %if %pre
+</I>&gt;<i> Release: %mkrel 0.%pre.%rel
+</I>&gt;<i> %define o_ver %version-%pre
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -245,6 +245,10 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %build
+</I>&gt;<i> autoreconf
+</I>&gt;<i> +# disable fortify as it breaks wine
+</I>&gt;<i> +# <A HREF="http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24606#c22">http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24606#c22</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> +# <A HREF="http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25073">http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25073</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> +export CFLAGS=&quot;`echo $RPM_OPT_FLAGS | sed -e 's/-Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2//'` -Wno-error&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> %configure2_5x --with-x \
+</I>&gt;<i> --with-pulse \
+</I>&gt;<i> %ifarch x86_64
+</I>
+Strange, wine configure script already disables fortify since 1.3.6 (Oct
+2010), so something weird must be going on:
+<A HREF="http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=commitdiff;h=105793bff75f6a869bd9ccfb390b2f88fa861235">http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=commitdiff;h=105793bff75f6a869bd9ccfb390b2f88fa861235</A>
+
+... ok, it is actually because we use -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 instead of
+-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 and -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 fails to override the
+former. So I sent a patch to wine-patches@, no idea if they agree:
+<A HREF="http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/2012-September/118257.html">http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/2012-September/118257.html</A>
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+Also, a cleaner way to disable fortify is
+%define _fortify_cflags %nil
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+<PRE>26.07.2012 13:53, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> kirjoitti:
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+</I>&gt;<i> tv
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+&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> build with -fPIC on x86_64 too (pok, mdv)
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+Why?
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+&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/NEWS &lt;#rpmrpmsetuptrunkNEWS&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> * rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/rpmrc.in &lt;#rpmrpmsetuptrunkrpmrcin&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/NEWS
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/NEWS 2012-07-26 10:37:09 UTC (rev 5220)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/NEWS 2012-07-26 10:53:42 UTC (rev 5221)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> +- build with -fPIC on x86_64 too (pok, mdv)
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> Version 1.149.1 - 25 Jul 2012, by Thierry Vignaud
+</I>&gt;<i> - merge patches from package repository:
+</I>&gt;<i> o fix build with rpm-4.9+
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/rpmrc.in
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/rpmrc.in 2012-07-26 10:37:09 UTC (rev 5220)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/rpmrc.in 2012-07-26 10:53:42 UTC (rev 5221)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -14,9 +14,9 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> optflags: pentium3 %{__common_cflags_with_ssp} -fomit-frame-pointer -march=pentium3 -fasynchronous-unwind-tables
+</I>&gt;<i> optflags: pentium4 %{__common_cflags_with_ssp} -fomit-frame-pointer -march=pentium4 -fasynchronous-unwind-tables
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -optflags: x86_64 %{__common_cflags_with_ssp}
+</I>&gt;<i> -optflags: amd64 %{__common_cflags_with_ssp}
+</I>&gt;<i> -optflags: ia32e %{__common_cflags_with_ssp}
+</I>&gt;<i> +optflags: x86_64 %{__common_cflags_with_ssp} -fPIC
+</I>&gt;<i> +optflags: amd64 %{__common_cflags_with_ssp} -fPIC
+</I>&gt;<i> +optflags: ia32e %{__common_cflags_with_ssp} -fPIC
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> optflags: ia64 %{__common_cflags}
+</I>
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+On 26/09/2012 16:44, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 24.09.2012 22:21, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I finally got around to connecting my netbook, which has been
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> running Cauldron for some time. This was fully up to date before
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my holidays, and apart from the recent display problem (which as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Angelo Naselli suspected, is a KDE problem) it has behaved
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> beautifully. Today, though, needed almost 3 weeks worth of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates, and when it finished, it won't boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are obviously problems with my remote mounts, but we are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> talking in detail about that on another thread. Mostly things
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> look to be going well up to that stage, then I see messages like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Started RPC bind service Reached target Remote File Systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Pre). Mounting /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data... Mounting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /mnt/borg2/home... Mounting /mnt/borg2_Data1... Reached target
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> RPC Port Mapper. Failed to mount /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data. See
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systemctl status /mnt-QNAS\x2dLydgate\x2dData.mount for details.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> .... (other similar pairs of lines) Dependency failed for Remote
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File Systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After these lines, suddenly two of the QNAS mounts (one of which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is /mnt/QNAS/Lydgate-Data mentioned above) do succeed. The two
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> borg2 mounts still fail, as do some of the other QNAS mounts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A few more lines, and all looks reasonable, until
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [FAILED] Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then Reached target Multi-User Reached target Graphical
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Interface
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and there it freezes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne, can you see this now?
+</I>
+Jani, I'm not quite sure what you are asking, but after trying
+everything Colin suggested, nothing has changed.
+
+Anne
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+On 26/09/2012 16:24, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 26.09.2012 18:00, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin, I sent this last evening, but I haven't seen it on-list.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For some reason a fair number of my messages don't get through.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could it be that the digital signing worries the filters?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can see your (previous) mail, just like I saw the previous mail
+</I>&gt;<i> you resend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you using GMail?
+</I>
+Hmm - yes. Just realised that my KDE alias does go through GMail, yet
+some of the messages from me get displayed in TBird, but not others.
+Strange - and difficult to follow threads. Thanks for prompting me.
+
+Anne
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tv
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> build with -fPIC on x86_64 too (pok, mdv)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why?
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+On 26/09/2012 17:05, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 26.09.2012 18:29, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/9/26 Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 26.09.2012 18:00, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin, I sent this last evening, but I haven't seen it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on-list. For some reason a fair number of my messages don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get through. Could it be that the digital signing worries
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the filters?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I can see your (previous) mail, just like I saw the previous
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mail you resend.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Are you using GMail?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I did not see the previous mail, I use gmail. But I see that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other people (like Marja) use to gpg-sign their mails to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lists, so this can't be the cause.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've seen that you can't see your own mail to ML when using GMail
+</I>&gt;<i> with some mail client (like TB). And when replying to mails on MLs,
+</I>&gt;<i> you can see your own mail only if you chosed from settings to do a
+</I>&gt;<i> local copy of sent mail to the folder where the original mail is
+</I>&gt;<i> located.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dunno if this is a feature of GMail or some misconfiguration from
+</I>&gt;<i> my side.
+</I>
+It's GMail, and there doesn't seem to be any way to avoid it. I'll
+check configurations so that the Sent message stays in the folder with
+the thread, which at least will help me follow the thread.
+
+Thanks for everyone's patience.
+
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+<PRE>Dear fellow packagers,
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+In a few minutes, I will upload a new rpmlint-mageia-policy package that
+implements the new RPM group policy. Normally, packages that do not
+follow the new RPM groups will be rejected from the build system.
+I advise you to run rpmlint on your RPMs, SRPMs or spec files before
+submtting.
+
+The new RPM policy can be consulted at:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+
+In a nutshell, the changes are:
+- Remove Books/* -&gt; everything in Documentation
+- Add several Development/* to reduce Development/Other
+- Add Games/Shooter to reduce Games/Arcade and Games/Other
+- Split Office into Office/Dictionary, Office/Finance, ...
+- Split Sound into Sound/Editors and Convertors, Sound/Midi, ...
+- Split Video into Video/Editors and Convertors, Video/Players, ...
+- Split Graphics into Graphics/3D, Graphics/Editors, ...
+- Split Communications into Communications/Bluetooth,
+Communications/Fax, ...
+
+I will start collecting the list of packages that need to change group
+soon. I will write this list about what changes are urgent (current
+bugs) and what changes are necessary with respect to the new policy.
+
+So, all of us should feel free to start adapting our packages to the new
+policy :-).
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+Cheers,
+--
+Malo
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+ <B>Charles A Edwards</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:43:50 +0100
+Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Tonight, following the packagers meeting, we agreed on a new RPM group
+</I>&gt;<i> policy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The current policy is described at:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The new policy is presented at:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp</A>
+</I>
+
+What about xdg menu compliance?
+
+
+ Charles
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:43:50 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tonight, following the packagers meeting, we agreed on a new RPM group
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> policy.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The current policy is described at:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The new policy is presented at:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about xdg menu compliance?
+</I>
+There is already a policy in place, and automated checks that enforce
+it. Everyone seems happy with it, so it does not change :-).
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines#Desktop_files">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines#Desktop_files</A>
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+However, if you feel that some packages are in the wrong menu category,
+it's a bug that you should report.
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+Cheers,
+--
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+Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The current policy is described at:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The new policy is presented at:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What about xdg menu compliance?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is already a policy in place, and automated checks that enforce
+</I>&gt;<i> it. Everyone seems happy with it, so it does not change :-).
+</I>
+Yes, but you will now be creating entries that Are Not
+registered categories
+
+<A HREF="http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html#category-registry">http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html#category-registry</A>
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+ Charles
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 22:17:29 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The current policy is described at:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The new policy is presented at:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What about xdg menu compliance?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is already a policy in place, and automated checks that enforce
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it. Everyone seems happy with it, so it does not change :-).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, but you will now be creating entries that Are Not
+</I>&gt;<i> registered categories
+</I>
+RPM groups are not related to menu categories in any way.
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+&gt;<i> Yes, but you will now be creating entries that Are Not
+</I>&gt;<i> registered categories
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html#category-registry">http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html#category-registry</A>
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+Perhaps I'm slow, but I thought there was a difference between RPM groups and desktop menu groups.
+So this shouldn't be an issiue.
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+&gt;<i> 27.09.2012 00:27, Charles A Edwards kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 22:17:29 +0100
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The current policy is described at:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The new policy is presented at:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What about xdg menu compliance?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There is already a policy in place, and automated checks that enforce
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it. Everyone seems happy with it, so it does not change :-).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, but you will now be creating entries that Are Not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> registered categories
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> RPM groups are not related to menu categories in any way.
+</I>
+The RPM groups are seen only in rpmdrake (and smart and Mageia App Db),
+as far as I understand. And they are package-based.
+
+.desktop files (which are for menu entries) are for the desktop
+applications. So one package can have several .desktop files (for each
+application it contains) or none.
+
+They are in effect unrelated. There was however a proposal to base the
+new RPM groups on the freedektop standard for menu classification, but
+it seems not to be a possibility (mainly because packages &lt;&gt; applications).
+
+Cheers,
+--
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+Anssi Hannula wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, but you will now be creating entries that Are Not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; registered categories
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> RPM groups are not related to menu categories in any way.
+</I>
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+I know the the rpm group is different.
+
+Are you saying that No packager will try to create or change
+a menu entry to reflect the new rpm groups?
+
+Example:
+'Alien arena' in Games/Shooter instead of Games/Other
+
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+ Charles
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+<PRE>Le 26/09/12 22:58,Charles A Edwards nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 00:42:58 +0300
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, but you will now be creating entries that Are Not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> registered categories
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> RPM groups are not related to menu categories in any way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know the the rpm group is different.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you saying that No packager will try to create or change
+</I>&gt;<i> a menu entry to reflect the new rpm groups?
+</I>
+Exactly.
+
+&gt;<i> Example:
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Alien arena' in Games/Shooter instead of Games/Other
+</I>
+The RPM group of Alien arena will change to Games/Shooter, but its
+desktop file is not supposed to change.
+
+I understand your point, but there will always be mismatches between the
+two categories, since the two purposes are different.
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+&gt;<i> Dear fellow packagers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In a few minutes, I will upload a new rpmlint-mageia-policy package that
+</I>&gt;<i> implements the new RPM group policy. Normally, packages that do not
+</I>&gt;<i> follow the new RPM groups will be rejected from the build system.
+</I>&gt;<i> I advise you to run rpmlint on your RPMs, SRPMs or spec files before
+</I>&gt;<i> submtting.
+</I>
+Thanks to boklm the checks are now in place and the new policy takes effect.
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+&gt;<i> On 26/09/2012 16:24, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 26.09.2012 18:00, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Colin, I sent this last evening, but I haven't seen it on-list.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For some reason a fair number of my messages don't get through.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Could it be that the digital signing worries the filters?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I can see your (previous) mail, just like I saw the previous mail
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you resend.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Are you using GMail?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm - yes. Just realised that my KDE alias does go through GMail, yet
+</I>&gt;<i> some of the messages from me get displayed in TBird, but not others.
+</I>&gt;<i> Strange - and difficult to follow threads. Thanks for prompting me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>
+this is normal behavior for gmail, it's why i stopped using it:
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+and you're using the gmail imap gateway, you will not be getting your own
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+break. same thing with aliasses.
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+&gt;<i> This topic came up in the packagers meeting. It was stated that:
+</I>&gt;<i> - the change was initiated by Thierry Vignaud (tv)
+</I>&gt;<i> - the change was also done in Fedora
+</I>
+Ah, thanks for the infos!
+Although I think the first reason is a good reason (tv), the second is
+not. Have you seen their logo, it looks like facebook :)))
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Possibilities:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) revert this change
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) someone put their foot down and decide we're sticking with this
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, if it's really that bothersome for some people, maybe it would
+</I>&gt;<i> be good to have an easy way for users to change this locally.
+</I>
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+Personally 1); but 2) + a user-friendly way to change it is good too.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou at 26/09/12 23:15 did gyre and
+gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 26/09/12 22:00,Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dear fellow packagers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In a few minutes, I will upload a new rpmlint-mageia-policy package that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> implements the new RPM group policy. Normally, packages that do not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> follow the new RPM groups will be rejected from the build system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I advise you to run rpmlint on your RPMs, SRPMs or spec files before
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> submtting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks to boklm the checks are now in place and the new policy takes effect.
+</I>
+Good work. Thanks for taking the time to add attention to detail here :)
+
+Col
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 26/09/12 20:54 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 26/09/2012 16:44, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 24.09.2012 22:21, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I finally got around to connecting my netbook, which has been
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> running Cauldron for some time. This was fully up to date before
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> my holidays, and apart from the recent display problem (which as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Angelo Naselli suspected, is a KDE problem) it has behaved
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> beautifully. Today, though, needed almost 3 weeks worth of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updates, and when it finished, it won't boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are obviously problems with my remote mounts, but we are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> talking in detail about that on another thread. Mostly things
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> look to be going well up to that stage, then I see messages like
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Started RPC bind service Reached target Remote File Systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (Pre). Mounting /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data... Mounting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /mnt/borg2/home... Mounting /mnt/borg2_Data1... Reached target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> RPC Port Mapper. Failed to mount /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data. See
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemctl status /mnt-QNAS\x2dLydgate\x2dData.mount for details.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> .... (other similar pairs of lines) Dependency failed for Remote
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> File Systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> After these lines, suddenly two of the QNAS mounts (one of which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is /mnt/QNAS/Lydgate-Data mentioned above) do succeed. The two
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> borg2 mounts still fail, as do some of the other QNAS mounts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A few more lines, and all looks reasonable, until
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [FAILED] Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> then Reached target Multi-User Reached target Graphical
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Interface
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and there it freezes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne, can you see this now?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jani, I'm not quite sure what you are asking, but after trying
+</I>&gt;<i> everything Colin suggested, nothing has changed.
+</I>
+He was just asking if you could see the mail, as you were having trouble.
+
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+<PRE>Anne,
+
+I pointed you at this mail in the archives when you were having
+troubles, but I don't think you're replied to it to give the necessary
+debug info.
+
+Col
+
+'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 25/09/12 17:35 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 25/09/12 16:37 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 25/09/12 15:41, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 25/09/12 15:02 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sent yesterday, but not seen on-list, so apologies if this is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> duplicate.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I finally got around to connecting my netbook, which has been
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> running Cauldron for some time. This was fully up to date
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> before my holidays, and apart from the recent display problem
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (which as Angelo Naselli suspected, is a KDE problem) it has
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> behaved beautifully. Today, though, needed almost 3 weeks worth
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of updates, and when it finished, it won't boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are obviously problems with my remote mounts, but we are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> talking in detail about that on another thread. Mostly things
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> look to be going well up to that stage, then I see messages like
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Started RPC bind service Reached target Remote File Systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (Pre). Mounting /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data... Mounting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /mnt/borg2/home... Mounting /mnt/borg2_Data1... Reached target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> RPC Port Mapper. Failed to mount /mnt/QNAS-Lydgate-Data. See
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemctl status /mnt-QNAS\x2dLydgate\x2dData.mount for details.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> .... (other similar pairs of lines) Dependency failed for Remote
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> File Systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> After these lines, suddenly two of the QNAS mounts (one of which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is /mnt/QNAS/Lydgate-Data mentioned above) do succeed. The two
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> borg2 mounts still fail, as do some of the other QNAS mounts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A few more lines, and all looks reasonable, until
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [FAILED] Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> then Reached target Multi-User Reached target Graphical
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Interface
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and there it freezes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Later:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I tried booting from the older kernel. On the graphical screen,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it appears to get a lot further, 5 bubbles instead of 2, but when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I tried it again watching the messages it appears to follow the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> same path as the new kernel boot, ending at the same place.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Interestingly, though, the nfs mount that succeeds, after saying
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it had failed, was not the same one as yesterdays. Still, that's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> probably a side-issue.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The situation now is that I appear to have a completely unusable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> M3. The line
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [DEPEND] Dependency failed for Remote File Systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is obviously important. Not knowing what that dependency is, I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> don't know whether it could do more damage than failing to mount
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> remote systems. It doesn't sound likely, but....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If the remote mounts are not critical, just add nofail to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fstab options.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I suspect strongly that any issues with these mounts is entirely
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> separate to the actual graphical boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Agreed. Adding nofail makes no difference. I've also tried removing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all options, down to a minimum defaults. However, they shouldn't stop
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> boot. FWIW, I'm still seeing that message about a dependency failure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for remote file systems.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Personally, I was seeing crashes with qt4... perhaps try switching
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to gdm as you're DM and see if the graphical boot comes up OK,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that way we could see easily if it's something high level.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, gdm doesn't get that far either.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Also you could try and look and see what systemctl status
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> prefdm.service says to you (you might need to switch to tty2).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> prefdm.service - Display Manager
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/prefdm.service: static)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Active: inactive (dead)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> CGroup: name=systemd:system/prefdm.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (This from looking over my shoulder, so ignore any typos)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll worry about the mounts later - the first thing is to get the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> system back :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you try doing &quot;systemctl show prefdm.service | grep
+</I>&gt;<i> ActiveEnter.*Mono&quot; after a fresh boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't need to know the results, just whether it's non-zero or still at 0.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Assuming it's still at zero, then we've not even tried to start the
+</I>&gt;<i> graphical server.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suspect this is because we're considering your remote mounts as
+</I>&gt;<i> critical to the user sessions (i.e. think of /home on NFS). Normally,
+</I>&gt;<i> putting nofail in the fstab is enough to break this linkage.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you comment out all remote mounts entirely and see if you can boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If it still fails, then try starting prefdm.service manually (systemctl
+</I>&gt;<i> start prefdm.service) and see what happens.
+</I>
+
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+On 26/09/12 16:12, Marja van Waes wrote:
+&gt;<i> Can you try doing &quot;systemctl show prefdm.service | grep
+</I>&gt;<i> ActiveEnter.*Mono&quot; after a fresh boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't need to know the results, just whether it's non-zero or
+</I>&gt;<i> still at 0.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Assuming it's still at zero, then we've not even tried to start the
+</I>&gt;<i> graphical server.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suspect this is because we're considering your remote mounts as
+</I>&gt;<i> critical to the user sessions (i.e. think of /home on NFS).
+</I>&gt;<i> Normally, putting nofail in the fstab is enough to break this
+</I>&gt;<i> linkage.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you comment out all remote mounts entirely and see if you can
+</I>&gt;<i> boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If it still fails, then try starting prefdm.service manually
+</I>&gt;<i> (systemctl start prefdm.service) and see what happens.
+</I>
+At this point I'm probably stuck. I've been doing these tests by
+forcing a level 1 boot, but now even that may not be possible. These
+are the latest boot messages:
+
+broadcom-wl (....)Already exists on this kernel [OK]
+Checking for new hardwareWelcome to rescue mode! Type &quot;systemctl
+default&quot; or ^D to enter default mode ##Yes, that's how it looks, lines
+joined.
+Type &quot;journalctl&quot; to show system logs. Type &quot;systemctl reboot&quot; to
+reboot. [OK]
+##didn't do any of these as I was not watching the screen
+
+Failed to issue method call: Transaction is destructive.
+
+Last resort -
+
+I edited out the &quot;splash quiet&quot; and called for level 1 again. This
+time it completes, very quickly.
+
+'systemctl show prefdm.service | grep ActiveEnter.*Mono&quot; ' simply
+returns to the prompt.
+
+All the borg2 mounts are commented out for now.
+
+&gt;<i> If it still fails, then try starting prefdm.service manually
+</I>&gt;<i> (systemctl start prefdm.service) and see what happens.
+</I>
+Nothing at all happens. It returns to the prompt.
+
+We have all spent a lot of time on this. There are files on the
+netbook that I must recover, so now it's decision time. It would
+probably be easier and quicker to grab the latest image (in which case
+can you remind me where to go for that) but I am willing to continue
+if there is any possibility that what we discover could save grief for
+others.
+
+What do you think?
+
+Anne
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+On 26/09/12 23:20, AL13N wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op woensdag 26 september 2012 20:57:43 schreef Anne Wilson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 26/09/2012 16:24, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 26.09.2012 18:00, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin, I sent this last evening, but I haven't seen it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on-list. For some reason a fair number of my messages don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get through. Could it be that the digital signing worries the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> filters?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I can see your (previous) mail, just like I saw the previous
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mail you resend.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Are you using GMail?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm - yes. Just realised that my KDE alias does go through
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> GMail, yet some of the messages from me get displayed in TBird,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but not others. Strange - and difficult to follow threads.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for prompting me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this is normal behavior for gmail, it's why i stopped using it:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it works like this, if you are on a mailing list, and it ends up at
+</I>&gt;<i> google, and you're using the gmail imap gateway, you will not be
+</I>&gt;<i> getting your own message, thus not knowing if it was there or not,
+</I>&gt;<i> and your threading will break. same thing with aliasses.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i filed a bug but it is a &quot;feature&quot;
+</I>
+Agreed. Sadly, I don't have much choice right now.
+
+Borg2 is/was my IMAP server, and GMail was my emergency backup. Since
+I can't access Borg2 from my laptop, that's no longer a possibility.
+I can't even read the mail on Borg2 itself, as I can't get akonadi to
+start - manually starting it says that akonadiserver returned with
+exit code 255 (Unknown error) and
+&quot;akonadiserver&quot; crashed too often and will not be restarted.
+
+The result is that Borg2 is reported as being offline.
+
+Anne
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+On 27/09/12 09:40, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> I pointed you at this mail in the archives when you were having
+</I>&gt;<i> troubles, but I don't think you're replied to it to give the
+</I>&gt;<i> necessary debug info.
+</I>
+Hi Colin. No, I had next to no time to spend on it yesterday, but
+I've replied today with the necessary info. Thanks for your patience.
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou at 25/09/12 23:43 did gyre and
+gimble:
+&gt;<i> Dear packagers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tonight, following the packagers meeting, we agreed on a new RPM group
+</I>&gt;<i> policy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The current policy is described at:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The new policy is presented at:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RPMGroupRevamp</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This change in policy means that I will take the following actions by
+</I>&gt;<i> the end of the week:
+</I>&gt;<i> * update the wikipage <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> * patch rpmlint to refuse new packages that do not follow the new
+</I>&gt;<i> policy (I will send another email to -dev just before submitting
+</I>&gt;<i> the new rpmlint).
+</I>&gt;<i> * create a bug report tracking the packages that need to change group.
+</I>&gt;<i> * mail -dev about the packages that are currently in wrong groups
+</I>&gt;<i> (even with respect to the current policy) so that their maintainers
+</I>&gt;<i> can take proper action within 2 weeks. After that, I will change
+</I>&gt;<i> the groups myself
+</I>&gt;<i> * mail -dev about the packages that are correct with respect to
+</I>&gt;<i> current policy but need to be updated to respect the new policy.
+</I>&gt;<i> For these packages, the deadline will be beta1 (12/12) to complete
+</I>&gt;<i> the changes, which means that I will start doing the moves by
+</I>&gt;<i> myself by Alpha 3 (06/11).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will mail -dev at each step on the way, so don't worry too much now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope the new RPM groups will make it easier for everyone to find
+</I>&gt;<i> packages in rpmdrake and other tools. It will be a bit annoying for
+</I>&gt;<i> every packager, but it's a good opportunity to revisit many package
+</I>&gt;<i> specs before mga3 and make Mageia better.
+</I>
+
+Just ran into my first practical problem and would like your feedback.
+
+PulseAudio packages used to just be in &quot;Sound&quot; group, but now I have to
+sub-categorise them as Sound/*. This is fine and I put everything in the
+Sound/Mixer category for now as this is one of the tasks PA does, mix
+your audio, but I get the feeling this group was more designed to
+represent graphical mixer UIs rather than infrastructure level stuff.
+
+
+Should there be a group that represents this better? e.g.
+
+Sound/Plumbing
+System/Sound
+Plumbing/Sound
+
+Or perhaps PA should just go in System/Base?
+
+(I use the term Plumbing as this is quite common these days as an off
+shoot perhaps from the Linux Plumbers Conference where the various
+infrastructural bits of linux are discussed).
+
+Thoughts?
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> On 26/09/12 16:12, Marja van Waes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can you try doing &quot;systemctl show prefdm.service | grep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ActiveEnter.*Mono&quot; after a fresh boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't need to know the results, just whether it's non-zero or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> still at 0.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Assuming it's still at zero, then we've not even tried to start the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> graphical server.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I suspect this is because we're considering your remote mounts as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> critical to the user sessions (i.e. think of /home on NFS).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Normally, putting nofail in the fstab is enough to break this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> linkage.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can you comment out all remote mounts entirely and see if you can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If it still fails, then try starting prefdm.service manually
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (systemctl start prefdm.service) and see what happens.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At this point I'm probably stuck. I've been doing these tests by
+</I>&gt;<i> forcing a level 1 boot, but now even that may not be possible. These
+</I>&gt;<i> are the latest boot messages:
+</I>
+Does it work when forcing a runlevel 3 boot instead. This is closer to a
+proper boot and likely a better testing environment. I presume the
+getty's are showing for you in level 3?
+
+&gt;<i> broadcom-wl (....)Already exists on this kernel [OK]
+</I>&gt;<i> Checking for new hardwareWelcome to rescue mode! Type &quot;systemctl
+</I>&gt;<i> default&quot; or ^D to enter default mode ##Yes, that's how it looks, lines
+</I>&gt;<i> joined.
+</I>
+Interesting that they are joined up...
+
+&gt;<i> Type &quot;journalctl&quot; to show system logs. Type &quot;systemctl reboot&quot; to
+</I>&gt;<i> reboot. [OK]
+</I>&gt;<i> ##didn't do any of these as I was not watching the screen
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Failed to issue method call: Transaction is destructive.
+</I>
+I've seen this before, but it's basically indicative of some kind of
+transaction ordering deadlock. I'll investigate to see if I can
+reproduce that here.
+
+I have seen it when you have SINGLE=/sbin/sulogin rather than
+SINGLE=/sbin/sushell in /etc/sysconfig/init.
+
+&gt;<i> Last resort -
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I edited out the &quot;splash quiet&quot; and called for level 1 again. This
+</I>&gt;<i> time it completes, very quickly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 'systemctl show prefdm.service | grep ActiveEnter.*Mono&quot; ' simply
+</I>&gt;<i> returns to the prompt.
+</I>
+This shouldn't happen. These should be printed even if they have zero
+values I believe, although with a level 1 or level 3 boot this might not
+be the case (I've not tested). It would certainly *always* be 0 if they
+are shown tho',
+
+The results of this test are only really valuable if you do a normal
+boot to runlevel 5 as this is when the service should be started.
+
+What I'm trying to work out here is if the job relating to starting the
+prefdm.service had to be ejected due to some kind of conflict.
+
+If there is a conflict then the values will be 0 and this will explain
+why your graphical desktop does not start.
+
+&gt;<i> All the borg2 mounts are commented out for now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If it still fails, then try starting prefdm.service manually
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (systemctl start prefdm.service) and see what happens.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nothing at all happens. It returns to the prompt.
+</I>
+This is curious. Does this also occur at runelevel 3? What does
+systemctl status prefdm.service tell you after it returns you to the prompt?
+
+Is there anything useful in the kdm log file about why kdm failed to
+launch X11?
+
+&gt;<i> We have all spent a lot of time on this. There are files on the
+</I>&gt;<i> netbook that I must recover, so now it's decision time. It would
+</I>&gt;<i> probably be easier and quicker to grab the latest image (in which case
+</I>&gt;<i> can you remind me where to go for that) but I am willing to continue
+</I>&gt;<i> if there is any possibility that what we discover could save grief for
+</I>&gt;<i> others.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>
+Plenty more to debug if you want to continue.
+
+Col
+
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+
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Le 27/09/12 10:04,Colin Guthrie nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+&gt;<i> Just ran into my first practical problem and would like your feedback.
+</I>
+I'm guessing your email is just the first of a long list :-).
+The new RPM group will indeed cause some head scratching for many packages.
+
+&gt;<i> PulseAudio packages used to just be in &quot;Sound&quot; group, but now I have to
+</I>&gt;<i> sub-categorise them as Sound/*. This is fine and I put everything in the
+</I>&gt;<i> Sound/Mixer category for now as this is one of the tasks PA does, mix
+</I>&gt;<i> your audio, but I get the feeling this group was more designed to
+</I>&gt;<i> represent graphical mixer UIs rather than infrastructure level stuff.
+</I>
+RPM groups are for users, not necessarily technical users (technical
+users already know which packages interest them).
+So the main advice to find the category of a given package is:
+
+Where would it make sense for a user browsing through a list to find it?
+
+For PulseAudio, Sound/Mixer is fine.
+
+&gt;<i> Should there be a group that represents this better? e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sound/Plumbing
+</I>&gt;<i> System/Sound
+</I>&gt;<i> Plumbing/Sound
+</I>
+Or Sound/PulseAudio ... :-P
+
+That's the Suse approach, but it does not work. It only multiplies the
+groups, with 3 or 4 subdivision depths (Amusements/Games/Strategy/Turn
+Based ...), with some groups only having a handful of packages. Many of
+the subdivisions make sense from a packaging point of view, but from a
+user point of view it makes browsing too precise. I personally think
+that groups are meant for the exploration by people who don't know what
+they are looking for.
+
+&gt;<i> Or perhaps PA should just go in System/Base?
+</I>
+No. It only drowns it in the crowd of completely unrelated packages.
+
+&gt;<i> (I use the term Plumbing as this is quite common these days as an off
+</I>&gt;<i> shoot perhaps from the Linux Plumbers Conference where the various
+</I>&gt;<i> infrastructural bits of linux are discussed).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thoughts?
+</I>
+No RPM group classification is perfect. There will always be a package
+that does not fit the classification. So we should stick to the &quot;best
+guess&quot; strategy for now.
+
+The new RPM group policy is not completely fixed, but I propose that
+everyone tries to stick with it until Beta 1, at which point we can
+review it and amend the most obvious problems.
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+--
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pierre-malo.denielou at rhul.ac.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 27/09/12 10:04,Colin Guthrie nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just ran into my first practical problem and would like your feedback.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm guessing your email is just the first of a long list :-).
+</I>&gt;<i> The new RPM group will indeed cause some head scratching for many packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PulseAudio packages used to just be in &quot;Sound&quot; group, but now I have to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sub-categorise them as Sound/*. This is fine and I put everything in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sound/Mixer category for now as this is one of the tasks PA does, mix
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> your audio, but I get the feeling this group was more designed to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> represent graphical mixer UIs rather than infrastructure level stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> RPM groups are for users, not necessarily technical users (technical
+</I>&gt;<i> users already know which packages interest them).
+</I>&gt;<i> So the main advice to find the category of a given package is:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where would it make sense for a user browsing through a list to find it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For PulseAudio, Sound/Mixer is fine.
+</I>
+I don't agree
+If someone wants to install a mixer, pulesaudio in the list will
+probably confuse him
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Or perhaps PA should just go in System/Base?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No. It only drowns it in the crowd of completely unrelated packages.
+</I>
+Do you expect someone to want to manually install pulseaudio after
+removing it, and search it in mixers?
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+On 27/09/12 10:15, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> Does it work when forcing a runlevel 3 boot instead. This is
+</I>&gt;<i> closer to a proper boot and likely a better testing environment. I
+</I>&gt;<i> presume the getty's are showing for you in level 3?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>To my surprise, the same, text boot, to level 3 does complete perfectly.
+ There are a couple of gpg messages, though:
+
+gpg-agent: enabled debug flags: assuan
+can't connect to '/home/anne/.gnupg/log-socket': No such file or
+directory.
+
+I don't know whether this is to be expected, or whether it has any
+relevance at this point.
+
+&quot;systemctl show prefdm.service | grep ActiveEnter.*Mono&quot; returns 0
+
+I presume this is to be expected at this stage.
+
+&quot;systemctl start prefdm.service&quot;
+Failed to issue method call: Access denied
+
+In case that has to be root, I used &quot;su -&quot; then the same command, but
+that just gives me a flashing cursor.
+
+&gt;<i> The results of this test are only really valuable if you do a
+</I>&gt;<i> normal boot to runlevel 5 as this is when the service should be
+</I>&gt;<i> started.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Doesn't runlevel 5 attempt to launch the desktop, though? I don't see
+how I can do that.
+
+&gt;<i> What I'm trying to work out here is if the job relating to
+</I>&gt;<i> starting the prefdm.service had to be ejected due to some kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> conflict.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If there is a conflict then the values will be 0 and this will
+</I>&gt;<i> explain why your graphical desktop does not start.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>While the new reboot is completing, and while I remember - irqbalance
+daemon always fails to start. I've assumed it's not relevant?
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If it still fails, then try starting prefdm.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> manually (systemctl start prefdm.service) and see what
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> happens.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nothing at all happens. It returns to the prompt.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is curious. Does this also occur at runelevel 3? What does
+</I>&gt;<i> systemctl status prefdm.service tell you after it returns you to
+</I>&gt;<i> the prompt?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>prefdm.service - Display Manager
+ Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/prefdm.service: static)
+ Active: inactive (dead)
+ CGroup: name=systemd:/system/prefdm.service
+
+&gt;<i> Is there anything useful in the kdm log file about why kdm failed
+</I>&gt;<i> to launch X11?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Looks like an X11 problem. The netbook is Atom N550, Intel everything.
+
+tail kdm.log
+
+Fatal server error:
+no screens found
+(EE)
+Please consult......
+(EE) Please also check the log file at &quot;var/log/Xorg.0.log&quot; for
+additional information
+(EE)
+Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file.
+
+from Xorg.0.log file:
+
+LoadModule &quot;v4l&quot;
+Warning, couldn't open module v4l
+UnloadModule &quot;v4l&quot;
+Unloading v4l
+Failed to load module &quot;v4l&quot; (module does not exist, 0)
+LoadModule &quot;glx&quot;
+Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
+Module glx: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;
+ compiled for 1.13.0 module version = 1.0.0
+ ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 7.0
+AIGLX enabled
+Loading extension GLX
+LoadModule &quot;intel&quot;
+Warning: couldn't open module intel
+UnloadModule: &quot;intel&quot;
+Unloading intel
+Failed to load module &quot;intel&quot; (module does not exist, 0)
+No drivers available
+Fatal server error:
+no screens found
+Please consult.....
+
+Looks as though we've found it.
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We have all spent a lot of time on this. There are files on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the netbook that I must recover, so now it's decision time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It would probably be easier and quicker to grab the latest
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> image (in which case can you remind me where to go for that)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but I am willing to continue if there is any possibility that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what we discover could save grief for others.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> Plenty more to debug if you want to continue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Probably Intel graphics are less common than ATi and NVidia, but if
+there is a real problem here (as opposed to user-caused one) we should
+continue. I can hold on a bit longer. Just give me the next steps :-)
+
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+On 27/09/12 09:59, Anne Wilson wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 26/09/12 23:20, AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this is normal behavior for gmail, it's why i stopped using it:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it works like this, if you are on a mailing list, and it ends up
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at google, and you're using the gmail imap gateway, you will not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be getting your own message, thus not knowing if it was there or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not, and your threading will break. same thing with aliasses.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i filed a bug but it is a &quot;feature&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed. Sadly, I don't have much choice right now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Borg2 is/was my IMAP server, and GMail was my emergency backup.
+</I>&gt;<i> Since I can't access Borg2 from my laptop, that's no longer a
+</I>&gt;<i> possibility. I can't even read the mail on Borg2 itself, as I can't
+</I>&gt;<i> get akonadi to start - manually starting it says that akonadiserver
+</I>&gt;<i> returned with exit code 255 (Unknown error) and &quot;akonadiserver&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> crashed too often and will not be restarted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ignore that - I realise now that I was in a root console when I tested
+it. In a user console it tells me that akonadi server is running.
+
+&gt;<i> The result is that Borg2 is reported as being offline.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>So whatever it is, it appears it's not akonadi as such.
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>Le 27/09/12 10:51,Pascal Terjan nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For PulseAudio, Sound/Mixer is fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't agree
+</I>&gt;<i> If someone wants to install a mixer, pulesaudio in the list will
+</I>&gt;<i> probably confuse him
+</I>
+As I was saying earlier, no group classification is perfect. In the
+situation you describe, having pulseaudio in System/Base would be even
+more confusing. But if you were to choose between Sound/Editors and
+Convertors, Sound/Midi, Sound/Mixers, Sound/Players, Sound/Utilities,
+Sound/Visualization, where would you look first?
+
+You know none fits perfectly, I know that as well, even less for
+pulseaudio-module-jack or pulseaudio-module-bluetooth.
+
+But before everyting was in Sound: so confusing is maximum. Now it
+becomes a bit (but only a bit) easier. That's the point.
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Or perhaps PA should just go in System/Base?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No. It only drowns it in the crowd of completely unrelated packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you expect someone to want to manually install pulseaudio after
+</I>&gt;<i> removing it, and search it in mixers?
+</I>
+Yes. By the principle of &quot;Where else?&quot; :-)
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+&gt;<i> Le 27/09/12 10:51,Pascal Terjan nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For PulseAudio, Sound/Mixer is fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't agree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If someone wants to install a mixer, pulesaudio in the list will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> probably confuse him
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I was saying earlier, no group classification is perfect. In the
+</I>&gt;<i> situation you describe, having pulseaudio in System/Base would be even
+</I>&gt;<i> more confusing. But if you were to choose between Sound/Editors and
+</I>&gt;<i> Convertors, Sound/Midi, Sound/Mixers, Sound/Players, Sound/Utilities,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sound/Visualization, where would you look first?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You know none fits perfectly, I know that as well, even less for
+</I>&gt;<i> pulseaudio-module-jack or pulseaudio-module-bluetooth.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But before everyting was in Sound: so confusing is maximum. Now it
+</I>&gt;<i> becomes a bit (but only a bit) easier. That's the point.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Or perhaps PA should just go in System/Base?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No. It only drowns it in the crowd of completely unrelated packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you expect someone to want to manually install pulseaudio after
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> removing it, and search it in mixers?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes. By the principle of &quot;Where else?&quot; :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Can it not stay in the top level &quot;Sound&quot; or does everything *have* to be
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 27/09/12 11:02 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 27/09/12 10:15, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Does it work when forcing a runlevel 3 boot instead. This is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> closer to a proper boot and likely a better testing environment. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> presume the getty's are showing for you in level 3?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To my surprise, the same, text boot, to level 3 does complete perfectly.
+</I>&gt;<i> There are a couple of gpg messages, though:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gpg-agent: enabled debug flags: assuan
+</I>&gt;<i> can't connect to '/home/anne/.gnupg/log-socket': No such file or
+</I>&gt;<i> directory.
+</I>
+Curious but almost certainly unrelated.
+
+&gt;<i> I don't know whether this is to be expected, or whether it has any
+</I>&gt;<i> relevance at this point.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;systemctl show prefdm.service | grep ActiveEnter.*Mono&quot; returns 0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I presume this is to be expected at this stage.
+</I>
+Yes, this is expected on runlevel 3.
+
+&gt;<i> &quot;systemctl start prefdm.service&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> Failed to issue method call: Access denied
+</I>
+Yes, this is because you are not root.
+
+&gt;<i> In case that has to be root, I used &quot;su -&quot; then the same command, but
+</I>&gt;<i> that just gives me a flashing cursor.
+</I>
+So it was just hanging there? It would be interesting to run systemctl
+--no-block start prefdm.service and then run &quot;systemctl status
+prefdm.service&quot; and see what kind of state it was in. i.e. is it
+starting, or failed etc.
+
+It should eventually fail after a couple minutes and perhaps give you
+some interesting log message about it.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> The results of this test are only really valuable if you do a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> normal boot to runlevel 5 as this is when the service should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> started.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doesn't runlevel 5 attempt to launch the desktop, though? I don't see
+</I>&gt;<i> how I can do that.
+</I>
+Indeed, the test there would be weather or not the system is even trying
+to start the graphical desktop or something has prevent it getting that far.
+
+I presume it does try and start a graphical desktop then? If so, can you
+not switch to vt2 at this stage and get a login getty prompt to do some
+debugging? (e.g. systemctl status prefdm.service and see what state it's
+in etc.)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> What I'm trying to work out here is if the job relating to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> starting the prefdm.service had to be ejected due to some kind of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> conflict.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If there is a conflict then the values will be 0 and this will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> explain why your graphical desktop does not start.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While the new reboot is completing, and while I remember - irqbalance
+</I>&gt;<i> daemon always fails to start. I've assumed it's not relevant?
+</I>
+I noticed this yesterday too. It has a very incomplete systemd unit for
+some reason. Will have to investigate who added that without checking it.
+
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If it still fails, then try starting prefdm.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> manually (systemctl start prefdm.service) and see what
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> happens.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nothing at all happens. It returns to the prompt.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is curious. Does this also occur at runelevel 3? What does
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systemctl status prefdm.service tell you after it returns you to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the prompt?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> prefdm.service - Display Manager
+</I>&gt;<i> Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/prefdm.service: static)
+</I>&gt;<i> Active: inactive (dead)
+</I>&gt;<i> CGroup: name=systemd:/system/prefdm.service
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there anything useful in the kdm log file about why kdm failed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to launch X11?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks like an X11 problem. The netbook is Atom N550, Intel everything.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tail kdm.log
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fatal server error:
+</I>&gt;<i> no screens found
+</I>&gt;<i> (EE)
+</I>&gt;<i> Please consult......
+</I>&gt;<i> (EE) Please also check the log file at &quot;var/log/Xorg.0.log&quot; for
+</I>&gt;<i> additional information
+</I>&gt;<i> (EE)
+</I>&gt;<i> Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file.
+</I>
+Yup, it's an X problem plain and simple, ignore all the rest of the
+systemd debugging options above.
+
+&gt;<i> from Xorg.0.log file:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> LoadModule &quot;v4l&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> Warning, couldn't open module v4l
+</I>&gt;<i> UnloadModule &quot;v4l&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> Unloading v4l
+</I>&gt;<i> Failed to load module &quot;v4l&quot; (module does not exist, 0)
+</I>&gt;<i> LoadModule &quot;glx&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
+</I>&gt;<i> Module glx: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> compiled for 1.13.0 module version = 1.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 7.0
+</I>&gt;<i> AIGLX enabled
+</I>&gt;<i> Loading extension GLX
+</I>&gt;<i> LoadModule &quot;intel&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> Warning: couldn't open module intel
+</I>&gt;<i> UnloadModule: &quot;intel&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> Unloading intel
+</I>&gt;<i> Failed to load module &quot;intel&quot; (module does not exist, 0)
+</I>&gt;<i> No drivers available
+</I>&gt;<i> Fatal server error:
+</I>&gt;<i> no screens found
+</I>&gt;<i> Please consult.....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks as though we've found it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We have all spent a lot of time on this. There are files on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the netbook that I must recover, so now it's decision time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It would probably be easier and quicker to grab the latest
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> image (in which case can you remind me where to go for that)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but I am willing to continue if there is any possibility that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what we discover could save grief for others.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Plenty more to debug if you want to continue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Probably Intel graphics are less common than ATi and NVidia, but if
+</I>&gt;<i> there is a real problem here (as opposed to user-caused one) we should
+</I>&gt;<i> continue. I can hold on a bit longer. Just give me the next steps :-)
+</I>
+Oh I would disagree. I think intel is more common (but I base this on
+very little evidence!) Certainly I *always* ensure I have an intel card
+in anything I purchase. Their Open Source commitment is just much better
+than the others IMO.
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+Are you sure the packages are all up-to-date? I guess this relates to
+the recently(ish) updated X11 stack.
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+I presume you have the x11-driver-video-intel package installed?
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+Col
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+&gt;<i> Oh I would disagree. I think intel is more common (but I base this
+</I>&gt;<i> on very little evidence!) Certainly I *always* ensure I have an
+</I>&gt;<i> intel card in anything I purchase. Their Open Source commitment is
+</I>&gt;<i> just much better than the others IMO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The reason I chose this laptop, too. :-)
+
+&gt;<i> Are you sure the packages are all up-to-date? I guess this relates
+</I>&gt;<i> to the recently(ish) updated X11 stack.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I presume you have the x11-driver-video-intel package installed?
+</I>
+Would you believe it? It wasn't installed. After the big update I did
+the automatic removal of orphans - I wonder if it got caught up in
+that, somehow.
+
+So - I now have M3 working - with the display problem that I already
+knew about, but that's definitely KDE related, as a second user
+doesn't see it, so now I can work on that.
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+The only remaining question is &quot;how did a working system end up
+without a display driver?&quot;
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+Thanks for all the help.
+
+Anne
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+On 27/09/12 13:40, Anne Wilson wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 27/09/12 13:31, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oh I would disagree. I think intel is more common (but I base
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this on very little evidence!) Certainly I *always* ensure I have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an intel card in anything I purchase. Their Open Source
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> commitment is just much better than the others IMO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The reason I chose this laptop, too. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Are you sure the packages are all up-to-date? I guess this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> relates to the recently(ish) updated X11 stack.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I presume you have the x11-driver-video-intel package installed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would you believe it? It wasn't installed. After the big update I
+</I>&gt;<i> did the automatic removal of orphans - I wonder if it got caught up
+</I>&gt;<i> in that, somehow.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So - I now have M3 working - with the display problem that I
+</I>&gt;<i> already knew about, but that's definitely KDE related, as a second
+</I>&gt;<i> user doesn't see it, so now I can work on that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only remaining question is &quot;how did a working system end up
+</I>&gt;<i> without a display driver?&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for all the help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>There may be more problems, X-related, so I'll start a new thread.
+
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+LVDS size 1280 x 720 (Auto)
+VGA1 size 1024 x 768
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+Those settings look correct. The problem comes with the Primary
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+If I set LVDS as Primary output, the netbook screen is fine, but the
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+the reverse happens, VGA is good, but LVDS loses top and bottom of the
+display. If I set Primary to None, the VGA display is the good one.
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+Is this normal/expected? I thought that before the holidays I was
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+&gt;<i> On 27/09/12 13:31, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I presume you have the x11-driver-video-intel package installed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would you believe it? It wasn't installed. After the big update I did
+</I>&gt;<i> the automatic removal of orphans - I wonder if it got caught up in
+</I>&gt;<i> that, somehow.
+</I>
+Ahh a nice simple answer in the end!
+
+I probably should have been more persistant in asking this question
+initially (I think I did mention it in an earlier mail, but also asked a
+whole bunch of other stuff in a &quot;get all the debug possible all at once&quot;
+fit of pseudo efficiency! Kinda backfired a bit!
+
+
+&gt;<i> So - I now have M3 working - with the display problem that I already
+</I>&gt;<i> knew about, but that's definitely KDE related, as a second user
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't see it, so now I can work on that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only remaining question is &quot;how did a working system end up
+</I>&gt;<i> without a display driver?&quot;
+</I>
+Well, it's perhaps this scenario:
+
+x11-driver-video was installed initially and it pulled in lots of
+individual display drivers, including intel.
+
+Due to an xorg update, one of the drivers that is required by
+x11-driver-video had to be removed (due to no longer being supported)
+which resulted in x11-driver-video also being removed, thus orphaning
+all the drivers it initially pulled in, including the intel one.
+
+It's quite easy to happen really, this is one of the many reasons I
+never, use the --auto-orphans feature. I use urpmq --not-available to do
+my tidy ups.
+
+Col
+
+
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+On 27/09/12 14:37, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> Ahh a nice simple answer in the end!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I probably should have been more persistant in asking this question
+</I>&gt;<i> initially (I think I did mention it in an earlier mail, but also
+</I>&gt;<i> asked a whole bunch of other stuff in a &quot;get all the debug
+</I>&gt;<i> possible all at once&quot; fit of pseudo efficiency! Kinda backfired a
+</I>&gt;<i> bit!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I don't recall seeing that question, so yes, it probably got hidden
+among the rest :-)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So - I now have M3 working - with the display problem that I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> already knew about, but that's definitely KDE related, as a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> second user doesn't see it, so now I can work on that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The only remaining question is &quot;how did a working system end up
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> without a display driver?&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, it's perhaps this scenario:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-driver-video was installed initially and it pulled in lots of
+</I>&gt;<i> individual display drivers, including intel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Due to an xorg update, one of the drivers that is required by
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-driver-video had to be removed (due to no longer being
+</I>&gt;<i> supported) which resulted in x11-driver-video also being removed,
+</I>&gt;<i> thus orphaning all the drivers it initially pulled in, including
+</I>&gt;<i> the intel one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's quite easy to happen really, this is one of the many reasons I
+</I>&gt;<i> never, use the --auto-orphans feature. I use urpmq --not-available
+</I>&gt;<i> to do my tidy ups.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Actually, being naturally rather cautious, I usually just ignore the
+invitation to use auto-orphans, in the belief that the additional
+packages will do no harm. I certainly won't be using it again :-)
+
+In view of this problem, though, I wonder whether it is such a good
+idea to end updates with that invitation.
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 27/09/12 15:06 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I probably should have been more persistant in asking this question
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; initially (I think I did mention it in an earlier mail, but also
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; asked a whole bunch of other stuff in a &quot;get all the debug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; possible all at once&quot; fit of pseudo efficiency! Kinda backfired a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; bit!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't recall seeing that question, so yes, it probably got hidden
+</I>&gt;<i> among the rest
+</I>
+I don't see it either looking back. I guess I only thought about it (or
+perhaps I'm muddling up with someone else on IRC recently).
+
+Anyway, one to keep in mind for the future.
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 27/09/12 11:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While the new reboot is completing, and while I remember - irqbalance
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> daemon always fails to start. I've assumed it's not relevant?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I noticed this yesterday too. It has a very incomplete systemd unit for
+</I>&gt;<i> some reason. Will have to investigate who added that without checking it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I did ... for Mga2 the service file shipped in irqbalance-1.0.3 tarball
+works, but for the updated 1.0.4 in Cauldron upstream did this:
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+--- irqbalance-1.0.3/misc/irqbalance.service
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+ After=syslog.target
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+ [Service]
+-EnvironmentFile=/etc/sysconfig/irqbalance
+-Type=forking
+-ExecStart=/usr/sbin/irqbalance $ONESHOT
++EnvironmentFile=/path/to/irqbalance.env
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+I've fixed env path in irqbalance-1.0.4-2.mga3
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+On 27/09/12 16:09, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 27.9.2012 15:31:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 27/09/12 11:02 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> While the new reboot is completing, and while I remember -
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> irqbalance daemon always fails to start. I've assumed it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not relevant?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I noticed this yesterday too. It has a very incomplete systemd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unit for some reason. Will have to investigate who added that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> without checking it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did ... for Mga2 the service file shipped in irqbalance-1.0.3
+</I>&gt;<i> tarball works, but for the updated 1.0.4 in Cauldron upstream did
+</I>&gt;<i> this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --- irqbalance-1.0.3/misc/irqbalance.service +++
+</I>&gt;<i> irqbalance-1.0.4/misc/irqbalance.service @@ -3,9 +3,8 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> Description=irqbalance daemon After=syslog.target
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [Service] -EnvironmentFile=/etc/sysconfig/irqbalance -Type=forking
+</I>&gt;<i> -ExecStart=/usr/sbin/irqbalance $ONESHOT
+</I>&gt;<i> +EnvironmentFile=/path/to/irqbalance.env
+</I>&gt;<i> +ExecStart=/usr/sbin/irqbalance --foreground $IRQBALANCE_ARGS
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've fixed env path in irqbalance-1.0.4-2.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Another thing ironed out then :-). All to the good.
+
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+ <I>Thu Sep 27 17:23:20 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>I have a cauldron system with the Oracle Express Edition (oracle-xe) RPM
+installed. This has worked nicely in the past, with the simple change
+that the /etc/init.d/oracle-xe script needs to have LSB headers added.
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+I don't start the DB automatically at boot, but only when I need it for
+testing. Based on the creation date of the files in its log directory,
+the last time it started was Aug 3.
+
+The database no longer starts. Running the sysv script produces the
+message &quot;Starting oracle-xe (via systemctl)&quot;, and produces no errors,
+but nothing happens. &quot;systemctl list-units | grep oracle&quot; shows the
+status of oracle-xe.service as &quot;loaded active exited&quot;, but no Oracle log
+file is created. Moreover, there is no oracle-xe.service file anywhere
+on my root partition.
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+Issuing &quot;systemctl start oracle-xe.service&quot; issues no output. Running it
+under strace shows an execve for /bin/systemctl, and later on an execve
+for /usr/bin/systemd-tty-ask-password-agent, but very little else, and
+nothing that even hints at actually trying to execute any oracle code.
+
+It seems like sometime after Aug 3 systemd changed in some way as to
+cause the failure. The system was built (and the oracle-xe rpm
+installed) on Aug 2, and never gets touched after install (and the
+addition of LSB headers). I haven't had to start it for a while, so I
+can't get it more precise than that.
+
+Any idea how to diagnose this ? Does systemd keep logs anywhere ?
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+ <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B>
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+wishe is to stay in mageia, but only for code developpment (msec for
+example, which I ask to import in svn few days ago). (As (I think) I
+never become Mageia Sysadm)
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+I would like to let all my pkg to others, but there's mainly perl
+modulees. I think that jq can maintain it with magpie, it doesn't
+monopolize much attention. For all my others pkg, I can continue to
+help but not as their maintainer. As I said, my wiches are write some
+code for mageia, now.
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+So, that's was just to inform you. To have the list of all my pkg, you
+can tape &quot;mgarepo maintdb get | grep kharec&quot;. Sadly, I have no any
+mageia box to put it to &quot;nobody&quot;. Can a sysadm do it?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/09/12 16:09 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 27.9.2012 15:31:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 27/09/12 11:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> While the new reboot is completing, and while I remember - irqbalance
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> daemon always fails to start. I've assumed it's not relevant?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I noticed this yesterday too. It has a very incomplete systemd unit for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some reason. Will have to investigate who added that without checking it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did ... for Mga2 the service file shipped in irqbalance-1.0.3 tarball
+</I>&gt;<i> works, but for the updated 1.0.4 in Cauldron upstream did this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --- irqbalance-1.0.3/misc/irqbalance.service
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ irqbalance-1.0.4/misc/irqbalance.service
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -3,9 +3,8 @@ Description=irqbalance daemon
+</I>&gt;<i> After=syslog.target
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [Service]
+</I>&gt;<i> -EnvironmentFile=/etc/sysconfig/irqbalance
+</I>&gt;<i> -Type=forking
+</I>&gt;<i> -ExecStart=/usr/sbin/irqbalance $ONESHOT
+</I>&gt;<i> +EnvironmentFile=/path/to/irqbalance.env
+</I>&gt;<i> +ExecStart=/usr/sbin/irqbalance --foreground $IRQBALANCE_ARGS
+</I>
+Well, I'm glad upstream have made their unit much better :p
+
+Col
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 27/09/12 16:23 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I have a cauldron system with the Oracle Express Edition (oracle-xe) RPM
+</I>&gt;<i> installed. This has worked nicely in the past, with the simple change
+</I>&gt;<i> that the /etc/init.d/oracle-xe script needs to have LSB headers added.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't start the DB automatically at boot, but only when I need it for
+</I>&gt;<i> testing. Based on the creation date of the files in its log directory,
+</I>&gt;<i> the last time it started was Aug 3.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The database no longer starts. Running the sysv script produces the
+</I>&gt;<i> message &quot;Starting oracle-xe (via systemctl)&quot;, and produces no errors,
+</I>&gt;<i> but nothing happens. &quot;systemctl list-units | grep oracle&quot; shows the
+</I>&gt;<i> status of oracle-xe.service as &quot;loaded active exited&quot;, but no Oracle log
+</I>&gt;<i> file is created. Moreover, there is no oracle-xe.service file anywhere
+</I>&gt;<i> on my root partition.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Issuing &quot;systemctl start oracle-xe.service&quot; issues no output. Running it
+</I>&gt;<i> under strace shows an execve for /bin/systemctl, and later on an execve
+</I>&gt;<i> for /usr/bin/systemd-tty-ask-password-agent, but very little else, and
+</I>&gt;<i> nothing that even hints at actually trying to execute any oracle code.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems like sometime after Aug 3 systemd changed in some way as to
+</I>&gt;<i> cause the failure. The system was built (and the oracle-xe rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> installed) on Aug 2, and never gets touched after install (and the
+</I>&gt;<i> addition of LSB headers). I haven't had to start it for a while, so I
+</I>&gt;<i> can't get it more precise than that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any idea how to diagnose this ? Does systemd keep logs anywhere ?
+</I>
+Yeah there are logs everywhere :)
+
+Provided you are root, &quot;systemctl status oracle-xe.service&quot; will show
+you the last few lines of log.
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+What is interesting here tho', is that it's asking you for a password.
+
+Keep in mind that when running under strace, systemctl will be
+contacting PID 1 and asking it to start the service for you so you won't
+see any direct attempts to to start your service.
+
+You can also look in the journal. If you want all logs related to a
+particular unit you can do: &quot;journalctl _SYSTEMD_UNIT=oracle-xe.service&quot;
+but it might be your issue is actually more related to the process of
+starting it rather than actually starting it.
+
+So in this case you maybe want to just turn up systemd debug logging to
+maximum (see man systemd for the numerous ways to do this, via kernel
+command line, config option or even sending a signal with kill at
+runtime SIGRTMIN+22 is probably what you want).
+
+Then run journalctl -f in one shell and try and start the service in
+another.
+
+Col
+
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Name : pango Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.32.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>[..]
+&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1.32.0-1.mga3:
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+&gt;<i> - pangox was removed
+</I>
+pangox was deprecated for a long time. I heard there are still loads of
+applications which depend on this. Something like pangox-compat was
+released to still allow such software to compile:
+ <A HREF="http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/pangox-compat/">http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/pangox-compat/</A>
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+<PRE>I set the systemd log-level to &quot;debug&quot; to debug another problem, and
+found that a new problem with an HP printer that has been working
+forever is apparently laid at its door:
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+Sep 27 14:07:41 ftgme2 systemd[1]:
+sys-devices-pci0000:00-0000:00:12.0-us...ad
+Sep 27 14:07:41 ftgme2 systemd[1]: Running GC...
+Sep 27 14:07:41 ftgme2 systemd[1]: Collecting
+sys-devices-pci0000:00-0000...ce
+Sep 27 14:07:41 ftgme2 systemd[1]: Collecting dev-usb-lp0.device
+Sep 27 14:07:41 ftgme2 kernel: usblp 1-1:1.0: usblp0: USB Bidirectional
+p...17
+Sep 27 14:07:41 ftgme2 systemd[1]: dev-usb-lp0.device changed dead -&gt;
+plugged
+Sep 27 14:07:41 ftgme2 systemd[1]:
+sys-devices-pci0000:00-0000:00:12.0-us...ed
+Sep 27 14:07:47 ftgme2 kernel: usblp0: removed
+Sep 27 14:07:47 ftgme2 systemd[1]: dev-usb-lp0.device changed plugged -&gt;
+dead
+Sep 27 14:07:47 ftgme2 systemd[1]:
+sys-devices-pci0000:00-0000:00:12.0-us...ad
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+This goes on constantly, dead -&gt; plugged, plugged -&gt; dead at 5 second
+intervals. Or is this a kernel problem and is systemd just an innocent
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 27/09/12 19:11 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I set the systemd log-level to &quot;debug&quot; to debug another problem, and
+</I>&gt;<i> found that a new problem with an HP printer that has been working
+</I>&gt;<i> forever is apparently laid at its door:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sep 27 14:07:41 ftgme2 systemd[1]:
+</I>&gt;<i> sys-devices-pci0000:00-0000:00:12.0-us...ad
+</I>&gt;<i> Sep 27 14:07:41 ftgme2 systemd[1]: Running GC...
+</I>&gt;<i> Sep 27 14:07:41 ftgme2 systemd[1]: Collecting
+</I>&gt;<i> sys-devices-pci0000:00-0000...ce
+</I>&gt;<i> Sep 27 14:07:41 ftgme2 systemd[1]: Collecting dev-usb-lp0.device
+</I>&gt;<i> Sep 27 14:07:41 ftgme2 kernel: usblp 1-1:1.0: usblp0: USB Bidirectional
+</I>&gt;<i> p...17
+</I>&gt;<i> Sep 27 14:07:41 ftgme2 systemd[1]: dev-usb-lp0.device changed dead -&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> plugged
+</I>&gt;<i> Sep 27 14:07:41 ftgme2 systemd[1]:
+</I>&gt;<i> sys-devices-pci0000:00-0000:00:12.0-us...ed
+</I>&gt;<i> Sep 27 14:07:47 ftgme2 kernel: usblp0: removed
+</I>&gt;<i> Sep 27 14:07:47 ftgme2 systemd[1]: dev-usb-lp0.device changed plugged -&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> dead
+</I>&gt;<i> Sep 27 14:07:47 ftgme2 systemd[1]:
+</I>&gt;<i> sys-devices-pci0000:00-0000:00:12.0-us...ad
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This goes on constantly, dead -&gt; plugged, plugged -&gt; dead at 5 second
+</I>&gt;<i> intervals. Or is this a kernel problem and is systemd just an innocent
+</I>&gt;<i> bystander ?
+</I>
+Hmm, looks like systemd is the innocent bystander here as the message
+from the kernel is the interesting bit and systemd is just reflecting
+it's device mapping state.
+
+Does your dmesg report anything interesting going on with the device?
+
+Note that you can avoid the shortening of the lines from journalctl via
+the -a (or --all) argument.
+
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Issuing &quot;systemctl start oracle-xe.service&quot; issues no output. Running it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> under strace shows an execve for /bin/systemctl, and later on an execve
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for /usr/bin/systemd-tty-ask-password-agent, but very little else, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nothing that even hints at actually trying to execute any oracle code.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Keep in mind that when running under strace, systemctl will be
+</I>&gt;<i> contacting PID 1 and asking it to start the service for you so you won't
+</I>&gt;<i> see any direct attempts to to start your service.
+</I>
+To debug an initscript, you can also use this option:
+service --skip-redirect oracle-xe start
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+Or run it this way:
+SYSTEMCTL_SKIP_REDIRECT=1 /etc/init.d/oracle-xe start
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+<PRE>On 09/27/2012 02:21 PM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> '
+</I>&gt;<i> Does your dmesg report anything interesting going on with the device?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sort of, by omission.
+
+At 10 seconds in, we have
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+[ 10.744514] usblp 1-1:1.0: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 3 if
+0 alt 1 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x1817
+[ 10.744529] usbcore: registered new interface driver usblp
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+then, at 12 seconds
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+[ 12.582770] systemd[1]: Enqueued job printer.target/start as 175
+
+Now if the kernel were &quot;losing&quot; the printer every 5 seconds, I'd expect
+to see some indication of it around 15 seconds, but nothing. In fact,
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+[ 28.874663] device-mapper: multipath: version 1.4.0 loaded
+[ 29.076321] systemd[1]: Forked /usr/sbin/cupsd as 9332
+[ 29.076402] systemd[1]: Job cups.service/start finished, result=done
+[ 29.076550] systemd[1]: printer.target changed dead -&gt; active
+[ 29.076555] systemd[1]: Job printer.target/start finished, result=done
+
+and then suddenly
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+[ 34.241942] usblp0: removed
+[ 34.258926] usblp 1-1:1.0: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 3 if
+0 alt 1 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x1817
+[ 38.843836] lp: driver loaded but no devices found
+[ 39.547619] usblp0: removed
+[ 39.564331] usblp 1-1:1.0: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 3 if
+0 alt 1 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x1817
+[ 39.710816] ppdev: user-space parallel port driver
+[ 44.851351] usblp0: removed
+[ 44.867689] usblp 1-1:1.0: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 3 if
+0 alt 1 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x1817
+[ 50.157199] usblp0: removed
+[ 50.174091] usblp 1-1:1.0: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 3 if
+0 alt 1 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x1817
+[ 52.499738] ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team
+[ 55.459678] usblp0: removed
+[ 55.476467] usblp 1-1:1.0: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 3 if
+0 alt 1 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x1817
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+and so it goes, at 5-second intervals.
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+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As some of you can see, I'm not interested in packaging anymore. In
+</I>&gt;<i> fact, I'm more interested in developpment, and sysadm. So, my best
+</I>&gt;<i> wishe is to stay in mageia, but only for code developpment (msec for
+</I>&gt;<i> example, which I ask to import in svn few days ago). (As (I think) I
+</I>&gt;<i> never become Mageia Sysadm)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to let all my pkg to others, but there's mainly perl
+</I>&gt;<i> modulees. I think that jq can maintain it with magpie, it doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> monopolize much attention. For all my others pkg, I can continue to
+</I>&gt;<i> help but not as their maintainer. As I said, my wiches are write some
+</I>&gt;<i> code for mageia, now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, that's was just to inform you. To have the list of all my pkg, you
+</I>&gt;<i> can tape &quot;mgarepo maintdb get | grep kharec&quot;. Sadly, I have no any
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia box to put it to &quot;nobody&quot;. Can a sysadm do it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks all.
+</I>
+
+Bad news and good news, all in one email :)
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+I hope you'll enjoy doing whatever you end up doing Sandro, no doubt we
+will still see you in QA!
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+On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:37:55 +0200
+Sandro CAZZANIGA &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As some of you can see, I'm not interested in packaging anymore. In
+</I>&gt;<i> fact, I'm more interested in developpment, and sysadm. So, my best
+</I>&gt;<i> wishe is to stay in mageia, but only for code developpment (msec for
+</I>&gt;<i> example, which I ask to import in svn few days ago). (As (I think) I
+</I>&gt;<i> never become Mageia Sysadm)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to let all my pkg to others, but there's mainly perl
+</I>&gt;<i> modulees. I think that jq can maintain it with magpie, it doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> monopolize much attention. For all my others pkg, I can continue to
+</I>&gt;<i> help but not as their maintainer. As I said, my wiches are write some
+</I>&gt;<i> code for mageia, now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, that's was just to inform you. To have the list of all my pkg, you
+</I>&gt;<i> can tape &quot;mgarepo maintdb get | grep kharec&quot;. Sadly, I have no any
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia box to put it to &quot;nobody&quot;. Can a sysadm do it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'll be happy to take over all the perl packages, and possibly some of the other
+packages (in order to lift off some responsibility from Jerome Quelin/jq).
+
+What do you mean that you don't have a Mageia box to assign nobody there?
+Can't you set up a VM?
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+&gt;<i> To debug an initscript, you can also use this option: service
+</I>&gt;<i> --skip-redirect oracle-xe start Or run it this way:
+</I>&gt;<i> SYSTEMCTL_SKIP_REDIRECT=1 /etc/init.d/oracle-xe start
+</I>Thanks for the reply.
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+I updated cauldron just before rebooting to activate the
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+<PRE>On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 08:25:26 +0200 (CEST)
+tv wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name : cairo-dock Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 3.0.2 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 2.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Thu Sep 27 08:20:32 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: jonund.mageia.org Group : Graphical
+</I>&gt;<i> desktop/Other Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;<i> 2341577 License: GPLv3+ Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : tv &lt;tv&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/cairo-dock-core">https://launchpad.net/cairo-dock-core</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : A light and eye-candy dock to launch your programs
+</I>&gt;<i> easily Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> cairo-dock uses cairo to render nice graphics, and Glitz to use
+</I>&gt;<i> hardware acceleration. It's fully configurable and can be a taskbar
+</I>&gt;<i> too. You can easily plug applets into it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 3.0.2-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 298621
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for new pango
+</I>
+This was not built against the new pango.
+It was rebuilt still using %_libpango1.0-devel-1.30.1-2.mga3
+
+urpmq --requires-recursive -r cairo-dock-devel |grep pango
+lib64pango1.0-devel-1.30.1-2.mga3
+lib64pango1.0_0-1.32.0-2.mga3
+lib64pango1.0_0-modules-1.32.0-2.mga3
+pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+pango-doc-1.32.0-2.mga3
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+ Charles
+
+--
+Since a politician never believes what he says, he is surprised
+when others believe him.
+ -- Charles DeGaulle
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+Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
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+<PRE>It is fixed in latest pango-1.32.1
+
+2012/9/27 Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the new pango version (1.32.0) breaks pidgin on Mageia Cauldron. See:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/15335#comment:1">https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/15335#comment:1</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=684960">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=684960</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A workaround is to downgrade to the old pango version (1.30.1) by building
+</I>&gt;<i> the .rpms from &quot;mgarepo&quot; / &quot;bm&quot; using revision r259571 .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/ways_to_do_it.html">http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/ways_to_do_it.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How many &#8220;one-liners&#8221; do I actually write? I don&#8217;t know; maybe a couple dozen
+</I>&gt;<i> a day. But I guess I must be unusual, because as we all know, AWK was a
+</I>&gt;<i> complete failure and vanished into obscurity since it didn&#8217;t address anyone&#8217;s
+</I>&gt;<i> real needs. (That was sarcasm.) &#8212; &#8220;Twelve Views of Mark Jason Dominus&#8221;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> .
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+ <B>Jani V&#228;limaa</B>
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+<PRE>2012/9/27 shlomif &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Name : pango Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.32.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Thu Sep 27 22:04:25 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : System/Internationalization Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 1062810 License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.pango.org/">http://www.pango.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : System for layout and rendering of internationalized text
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> A library to handle Unicode strings as well as complex bidirectional
+</I>&gt;<i> or context dependent shaped strings.
+</I>&gt;<i> It is the next step on Gtk+ internationalization.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt; 1.32.0-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 298828
+</I>&gt;<i> - New release - mkrel 2 - bug fix for crashes.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=684959">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=684959</A> .
+</I>
+IMHO new release is pretty obvious and there's no need to mention it
+in changelog entry. I don't have strong opinion about URLs in
+changelog, but something fights against them. Haven't checked if
+they're useless (does rpmdrake support clicking them?).
+
+IMHO much better %changelog entry would have been:
+
+- add a patch from upstream to fix crashes (bgo#684959)
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 21/09/12 10:42 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 21/09/12 09:28 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 21 September 2012 10:13, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Since the latest Qt4, I've seen kate crash with segv's.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Downgrading to the older package fixed the problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have sse3 support in your CPU (not all x86_64 do)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup, it's there:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov
+</I>&gt;<i> pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm
+</I>&gt;<i> constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64
+</I>&gt;<i> monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm lahf_lm dtherm tpr_shadow
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+OK, so even after all updates, this is still happening for me.
+
+It seems related to this bug:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305718">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305718</A>
+
+which in turn identifies this problem commit which (although from 2010
+was only included upstream in Qt 4.8.3
+
+<A HREF="http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/ada98493bbfbd9af0d0b593017e29d39bcd3495e?format=patch">http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/ada98493bbfbd9af0d0b593017e29d39bcd3495e?format=patch</A>
+
+The debian bug also mentions pthread related crashes which I think I've
+seen floating around in discussions here.
+
+I'll revert the patch in our Qt.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>Hello Jani,
+
+On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:37:36 +0300
+Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 2012/9/27 shlomif &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : pango Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; relocatable) Version : 1.32.0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Vendor: Mageia.Org Release : 2.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Build Date: Thu Sep 27 22:04:25 2012 Install Date: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Group : System/Internationalization Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Size : 1062810 License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Signature : (none) Packager : shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; URL : <A HREF="http://www.pango.org/">http://www.pango.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary : System for layout and rendering of internationalized
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; text Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A library to handle Unicode strings as well as complex bidirectional
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or context dependent shaped strings.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It is the next step on Gtk+ internationalization.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt; 1.32.0-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 298828
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - New release - mkrel 2 - bug fix for crashes.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=684959">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=684959</A> .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO new release is pretty obvious and there's no need to mention it
+</I>&gt;<i> in changelog entry.
+</I>
+Actually, there is. This way one can find where the release was changed
+based on &quot;svn log -v&quot;, and temporarily revert the working copy to previous
+versions. This is because, unfortunately, there's no way to see the patches to
+the working copy in the logs.
+
+&gt;<i> I don't have strong opinion about URLs in
+</I>&gt;<i> changelog, but something fights against them. Haven't checked if
+</I>&gt;<i> they're useless (does rpmdrake support clicking them?).
+</I>
+You can always copy and paste them.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO much better %changelog entry would have been:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - add a patch from upstream to fix crashes (bgo#684959)
+</I>
+What the hell is &quot;bgo&quot;? We should be more helpful and explicit than that. See:
+
+<A HREF="http://blog.trustedadvisortoolkit.com/what-do-you-mean-by-wdym/">http://blog.trustedadvisortoolkit.com/what-do-you-mean-by-wdym/</A>
+
+Regards,
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+ Shlomi Fish
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+&gt;<i> Hello Jani,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:37:36 +0300
+</I>&gt;<i> Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/9/27 shlomif &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Name : pango Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; relocatable) Version : 1.32.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Vendor: Mageia.Org Release : 2.mga3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Build Date: Thu Sep 27 22:04:25 2012 Install Date: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Group : System/Internationalization Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Size : 1062810 License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Signature : (none) Packager : shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; URL : <A HREF="http://www.pango.org/">http://www.pango.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Summary : System for layout and rendering of internationalized
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; text Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; A library to handle Unicode strings as well as complex bidirectional
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; or context dependent shaped strings.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; It is the next step on Gtk+ internationalization.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt; 1.32.0-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 298828
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - New release - mkrel 2 - bug fix for crashes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=684959">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=684959</A> .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IMHO new release is pretty obvious and there's no need to mention it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in changelog entry.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually, there is. This way one can find where the release was changed
+</I>&gt;<i> based on &quot;svn log -v&quot;, and temporarily revert the working copy to previous
+</I>&gt;<i> versions. This is because, unfortunately, there's no way to see the patches to
+</I>&gt;<i> the working copy in the logs.
+</I>
+To see when the release was changed we have &quot;Revision: XXXXX&quot; in
+%changelog. You can also use 'mgarepo rpmlog &lt;pkg&gt;' to get the pkg
+changelog from cmd or use svnweb.mageia.org to see the changes more
+closely.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't have strong opinion about URLs in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> changelog, but something fights against them. Haven't checked if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> they're useless (does rpmdrake support clicking them?).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can always copy and paste them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IMHO much better %changelog entry would have been:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add a patch from upstream to fix crashes (bgo#684959)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What the hell is &quot;bgo&quot;? We should be more helpful and explicit than that. See:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+An abbreviation for Bugzilla.Gnome.Org, widely used by other distros
+(mdv/suse/fedora/etcetc) too in their %changelogs. Just like for an
+example are rhbz (redhat bugzilla) and fdo (freedesktop.org) used.
+
+IIRC there is a policy (maybe just a draft) where's mentioned that
+when referring to external bugs the format should be &quot;(XXXX#12345)&quot;
+where XXXX stands for some abbreviation like bgo and numbers stands
+for the bug number.
+
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.trustedadvisortoolkit.com/what-do-you-mean-by-wdym/">http://blog.trustedadvisortoolkit.com/what-do-you-mean-by-wdym/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Jani V&#228;limaa at 28/09/12 11:39 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;<i> What the hell is &quot;bgo&quot;? We should be more helpful and explicit than that. See:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> An abbreviation for Bugzilla.Gnome.Org, widely used by other distros
+</I>&gt;<i> (mdv/suse/fedora/etcetc) too in their %changelogs. Just like for an
+</I>&gt;<i> example are rhbz (redhat bugzilla) and fdo (freedesktop.org) used.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIRC there is a policy (maybe just a draft) where's mentioned that
+</I>&gt;<i> when referring to external bugs the format should be &quot;(XXXX#12345)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> where XXXX stands for some abbreviation like bgo and numbers stands
+</I>&gt;<i> for the bug number.
+</I>
+Yeah we've been using abbreviations for other distro and upstream bug
+trackers for many years, bgo, bko, fdo, rhbz to name but a few.
+
+URLs, may change but the reference is still good. I would stick to using
+the abbreviations if possible as it makes the changelog entries much
+easier to parse).
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+&gt;<i> Name : draklive Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Fri Sep 28 11:36:11 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : System/Configuration/Other Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 49252 License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : tmb &lt;tmb&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/Development/Packaging/Tools/draklive">http://wiki.mandriva.com/Development/Packaging/Tools/draklive</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Live systems generation and copying tool
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> This tool lets you generate Mageia live systems.
+</I>
+The URL no longer exists. The mdv wiki page, which has not been updated
+since the fork, is <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Draklive">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Draklive</A>
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+and that page has been imported to the mga wiki
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Draklive">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Draklive</A>
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+I'm trying to build a package and get the following error:
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+$ rpmbuild -bb sflphone.spec
+ error: Failed build dependencies:
+ GConf2-devel is needed by sflphone-1.2.0-1.x86_64
+
+But if I do:
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+$ rpm -qa | grep GConf2-devel
+ lib64GConf2-devel-3.2.5-1.mga2
+
+# urpmq -a GConf2-devel -f
+lib64GConf2-devel-3.2.5-1.mga2.x86_64
+libGConf2-devel-3.2.5-1.mga2.i586
+
+A bit confused , why does rpmbuild doesn't find GConf2-devel package?
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+The question is about qt3-devel - is it deprecated? twinkle softphone
+requires it.
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+(05:39:36 PM) malo: urpmq --provides lib64GConf2-devel-3.2.5-1.mga2
+(05:41:04 PM) malo: will tell you what are the provides. you then need
+to adjust the Requires of your package accordingly
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 28 septembre 2012 17:40:48 Liutauras Adomaitis a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm trying to build a package and get the following error:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ rpmbuild -bb sflphone.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> error: Failed build dependencies:
+</I>&gt;<i> GConf2-devel is needed by sflphone-1.2.0-1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But if I do:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ rpm -qa | grep GConf2-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64GConf2-devel-3.2.5-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # urpmq -a GConf2-devel -f
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64GConf2-devel-3.2.5-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> libGConf2-devel-3.2.5-1.mga2.i586
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A bit confused , why does rpmbuild doesn't find GConf2-devel package?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The question is about qt3-devel - is it deprecated? twinkle softphone
+</I>&gt;<i> requires it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Liutauras
+</I>
+yes qt3-devel is deprecated. No new Qt3 apps are allowed in mageia
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+It seems there is a problem on the build system.
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+This package should produce /usr/bin/ocamlfind
+but it seems that a tool from the build system have some error that
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+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120928184312.blue_prawn.valstar.17078/log/ocaml-findlib-1.3.3-4.mga3/build.0.20120928184414.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120928184312.blue_prawn.valstar.17078/log/ocaml-findlib-1.3.3-4.mga3/build.0.20120928184414.log</A>
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++ /usr/lib/rpm/find-debuginfo.sh --run-dwz --dwz-low-mem-die-limit
+10000000 --dwz-max-die-limit 110000000 -m
+/home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/findlib-1.3.3
+
+extracting debug info from
+/home/iurt/rpm/BUILDROOT/ocaml-findlib-1.3.3-4.mga3.x86_64/bin/ocamlfind
+dwz: Too few files for multifile optimization
+cpio: glibc-2.16.0/csu: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
+cpio: glibc-2.16.0/csu/elf-init.c: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
+cpio: glibc-2.16.0/csu/init.c: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
+cpio: glibc-2.16.0/sysdeps/x86_64/crti.S: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
+cpio: glibc-2.16.0/sysdeps/x86_64/crtn.S: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
+cpio: glibc-2.16.0/sysdeps/x86_64/start.S: Cannot stat: No such file
+or directory
+0 blocks
+
+
+
+RPM build errors:
+ File not found by glob:
+/home/iurt/rpm/BUILDROOT/ocaml-findlib-1.3.3-4.mga3.x86_64/usr/bin/*
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+<PRE>27.09.2012 09:55, EatDirt kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> On 25/09/12 21:54, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This topic came up in the packagers meeting. It was stated that:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - the change was initiated by Thierry Vignaud (tv)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - the change was also done in Fedora
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah, thanks for the infos!
+</I>&gt;<i> Although I think the first reason is a good reason (tv), the second is
+</I>&gt;<i> not. Have you seen their logo, it looks like facebook :)))
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Possibilities:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1) revert this change
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2) someone put their foot down and decide we're sticking with this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also, if it's really that bothersome for some people, maybe it would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be good to have an easy way for users to change this locally.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally 1); but 2) + a user-friendly way to change it is good too.
+</I>
+3) Fix the issue. Fedora actually has DejaVu fonts as default with
+higher priority and Liberation fonts with a lower priority.
+Unfortunately, we only have the Liberation part of that from Fedora,
+causing it to be set as default.
+
+In fact, our fonts-ttf-dejavu was updated over a year ago to include the
+config file setting DejaVu with higher priority, but it was never
+submitted. I've just fixed a bug in the pkg and submitted it, so that
+fonts get back to normal.
+
+It'd be really nice if someone looked over our font packages and fonts
+config stuff and compared them to Fedora stuff, we may have yet more
+WTFs in there...
+
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+[resending from the right address; I wish evolution would fix that bug!]
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+&gt;<i> 3) Fix the issue. Fedora actually has DejaVu fonts as default with
+</I>&gt;<i> higher priority and Liberation fonts with a lower priority.
+</I>
+Makes sense.
+
+[...]
+
+&gt;<i> It'd be really nice if someone looked over our font packages and fonts
+</I>&gt;<i> config stuff and compared them to Fedora stuff, we may have yet more
+</I>&gt;<i> WTFs in there...
+</I>
+I'm not in a position to do that, sorry. But the Fedora font project has
+been quite active in the past.
+
+I wish we had a more fine-grained way to install/uninstall fonts:
+$ fc-list|wc -l
+2489
+but adding 2,000+ packages isn't the way to go.
+
+FontMatrix has ways to activate/deactivate fonts, but is not included at
+least in the Mageia 1 that I have here.
+
+Fonts, themes, background images, legal music files :-) and other
+resources could do with a way to manage them at a per-user and
+per-project level. This is a more general topic than Mageia is likely to
+solve I think :)
+
+Liam
+
+--
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+Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
+Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml
+<A HREF="http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/">http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/</A> - the barefoot typographer
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+Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> 3) Fix the issue. Fedora actually has DejaVu fonts as default with
+</I>&gt;<i> higher priority and Liberation fonts with a lower priority.
+</I>
+Makes sense.
+
+[...]
+
+&gt;<i> It'd be really nice if someone looked over our font packages and fonts
+</I>&gt;<i> config stuff and compared them to Fedora stuff, we may have yet more
+</I>&gt;<i> WTFs in there...
+</I>
+I'm not in a position to do that, sorry. But the Fedora font project has
+been quite active in the past.
+
+I wish we had a more fine-grained way to install/uninstall fonts:
+$ fc-list|wc -l
+2489
+but adding 2,000+ packages isn't the way to go.
+
+FontMatrix has ways to activate/deactivate fonts, but is not included at
+least in the Mageia 1 that I have here.
+
+Fonts, themes, background images, legal music files :-) and other
+resources could do with a way to manage them at a per-user and
+per-project level. This is a more general topic than Mageia is likely to
+solve I think :)
+
+Liam
+
+--
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+Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
+Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml
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+&gt;<i> malo &lt;malo&gt; 2.5-1.mga3:
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+&gt;<i> I would like to let all my pkg to others
+</I>
+I can take newspost, netdiscover and ninvaders. I can probably take more non-perl packages if needed.
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+&gt;<i> &quot;fix&quot; is not the right description there.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;adapt to new group hierarchy&quot; would a better change description IMHO...
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+Isn't that just a longer sentence for saying the same?
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+ <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B>
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+<PRE>Ok, I'll let you know when my pkg will be free of maintainer.
+Le 29 sept. 2012 09:03, &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> On Thursday 27 September 2012 17:37, Sandro CAZZANIGA wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I would like to let all my pkg to others
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can take newspost, netdiscover and ninvaders. I can probably take more
+</I>&gt;<i> non-perl packages if needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
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+&gt;<i> On Saturday 29 September 2012 09:02, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;fix&quot; is not the right description there.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;adapt to new group hierarchy&quot; would a better change description IMHO...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't that just a longer sentence for saying the same?
+</I>
+The semantics are slightly different. &quot;Fix&quot; implies it was previously
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+ <B>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou</B>
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+<PRE>Le 29/09/12 08:02,Thierry Vignaud nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+&gt;<i> On 29 September 2012 01:08, malo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> malo &lt;malo&gt; 2.5-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 299203
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update to 2.5
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix RPM group
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;fix&quot; is not the right description there.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;adapt to new group hierarchy&quot; would a better change description IMHO...
+</I>
+True for qgit. I got carried by stardict, for which it's really a fix :-).
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+ <B>Steven Tucker</B>
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+<PRE>Hi everyone,
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+I have been doing a little work on the proposed control center - mcc2
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc</A>
+
+and would like to put a couple of questions forward to find some direction.
+
+
+1/ What should we call it ??
+
+ I have been using mcc2 as a working name, however I'm not
+convinced this is the right approach. I will soon be uploading the code
+(been using my own svn repo up till now), and it would be good to start
+with the name it will stick with. Should the name relate to Mageia?, or
+should it be more generic?
+
+2/ What languages should be available for writing modules? (Perl, C++,
+python and Ruby are possibilities)
+
+ So far mcc2 has been written in Perl (even though I had never
+written a line of Perl prior to starting this) so as to make porting
+existing modules a matter of just replacing the Ui calls, but I do like
+the idea of allowing the modules to be written in more than 1 language
+to encourage more contributors who may be turned off by having to learn
+another language.
+Sticking with Perl will make mcc2 core easier, so I may do that
+initially regardless. What do you all think?? Is sticking with 1
+language preferred even if it means less contributors, or is the goal to
+attract as many module developers as possible?
+
+3/ What should the license be?
+ I would be happy to make it GPL V3, but is there any argument
+for something different ?
+
+4/ As an official Mageia project, do I need to sign the copyright over
+to Mageia ??
+ I am more than happy to do so, I would only ask that I get
+noted somewhere as the developer, hopefully others will join the
+developer list as well.
+
+
+Just to give you an idea of where my code is at ......
+
+It is still in early stages, with I would guess about 400 - 500 lines of
+code.
+It works across ncurses, gtk and qt with a consistent interface, however
+there seems to be a bug in the libyui-qt libriaries which Angelo and
+Matteo will be looking into (Big thank you to those guys for packaging
+the libyui libraries and helping out when I have questions). It reads
+all the Category and Module information from a config file then
+generates a menu of the categories and alters the view of modules
+depending on which category is selected (think of the existing mcc, but
+much uglier). I have written and launched a test module, however I did
+not like the way I did it, so have scrapped that and will come back to
+it next week.
+
+I have little time to work on this for the next 6 weeks, but I hope to
+have the core system complete, or near to complete when Santa visits,
+though porting (and adding new) modules will be the bigger task.
+
+Cheers
+
+Tuxta
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+<PRE>Am 26.09.2012 23:00, schrieb Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou:
+&gt;<i> Dear fellow packagers,
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+</I>&gt;<i> In a few minutes, I will upload a new rpmlint-mageia-policy package that
+</I>&gt;<i> implements the new RPM group policy. Normally, packages that do not
+</I>&gt;<i> follow the new RPM groups will be rejected from the build system.
+</I>&gt;<i> I advise you to run rpmlint on your RPMs, SRPMs or spec files before
+</I>&gt;<i> submtting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The new RPM policy can be consulted at:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policySorry">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policySorry</A> for cutting in late, but...
+</I>
+There is a new group &quot;Geography&quot; for maps and gps related software...
+Now how to decide wether software is &quot;Sciences/Geosciences&quot; where the
+whole GIS stack is located right now or &quot;Geography&quot;?
+
+Oliver
+
+
+--
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
+
+Mageia contributor
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+Hi,
+&gt;<i> 3/ What should the license be? I would be happy to make it GPL V3,
+</I>&gt;<i> but is there any argument for something different ?
+</I>Another possibility is to have GPL V2 or higher, a lot of programs
+preferred that way to cover both or maybe to avoid any incompatibility
+between them... but i'm not a lawyer...
+
+
+&gt;<i> Just to give you an idea of where my code is at ......
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is still in early stages, with I would guess about 400 - 500
+</I>&gt;<i> lines of code. It works across ncurses, gtk and qt with a
+</I>&gt;<i> consistent interface, however there seems to be a bug in the
+</I>&gt;<i> libyui-qt libriaries which Angelo and Matteo will be looking into
+</I>Well i'm finding some more differences in the three behaviours, but i'm
+not sure all of them are bugs against QT :) I think we should have an
+easy and silly &quot;hello world&quot; program to use and pass to upstream
+developers to understand if and where we're wrong, or if there is a bug
+issue instead :)
+
+As a simple example on what i'm saying the icon issue you've just fixed,
+i'm not sure it's a QT bug just because gtk does not need an explicit
+setIcon call... I will write other problems in a private mail, at least
+until we're not officially on Mageia repository ;)
+
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+</I>eh eh eh, we're a team after all :)
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+&gt;<i> It seems there is a problem on the build system.
+</I>
+There's not
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+&gt;<i> This package should produce /usr/bin/ocamlfind
+</I>&gt;<i> but it seems that a tool from the build system have some error that
+</I>&gt;<i> makes it disappear.
+</I>
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+Those are totally unrelated warnings
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+&gt;<i> RPM build errors:
+</I>&gt;<i> File not found by glob:
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILDROOT/ocaml-findlib-1.3.3-4.mga3.x86_64/usr/bin/*
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+Hint: compare _paths_ ...
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+<PRE>The problem was not at all from the build system, but from the .spec file.
+
+Sorry for the noise.
+
+--
+Le vendredi 28 septembre 2012 21:03:10, vous avez &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems there is a problem on the build system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This package should produce /usr/bin/ocamlfind
+</I>&gt;<i> but it seems that a tool from the build system have some error that
+</I>&gt;<i> makes it disappear.
+</I>[...]
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+&gt;&gt;<i> It seems there is a problem on the build system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There's not
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;<i> RPM build errors:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File not found by glob:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILDROOT/ocaml-findlib-1.3.3-4.mga3.x86_64/usr/bin/*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hint: compare _paths_ ...
+</I>
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+Indeed, I was not thinking at this kind of problem because I only
+changed the new Group: RPM.
+So the problem was probably there before.
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+&gt;<i> Am 26.09.2012 23:00, schrieb Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dear fellow packagers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In a few minutes, I will upload a new rpmlint-mageia-policy package that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> implements the new RPM group policy. Normally, packages that do not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> follow the new RPM groups will be rejected from the build system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I advise you to run rpmlint on your RPMs, SRPMs or spec files before
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> submtting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The new RPM policy can be consulted at:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policySorry">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policySorry</A> for cutting in late, but...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is a new group &quot;Geography&quot; for maps and gps related software...
+</I>&gt;<i> Now how to decide wether software is &quot;Sciences/Geosciences&quot; where the
+</I>&gt;<i> whole GIS stack is located right now or &quot;Geography&quot;?
+</I>
+The whole GIS stack goes to Geography.
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+Sciences/Geosciences is from now on only for Scientific software related
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+--
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+&gt;<i> &quot;Fix&quot; implies it was previously
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+<PRE>On Saturday 29 September 2012 14:14, Steven Tucker wrote:
+&gt;<i> 3/ What should the license be?
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;I would be happy to make it GPL V3, but is there any argument
+</I>&gt;<i> for something different ?
+</I>
+If you're using the existing MCC as a base, I think you are stuck with the license MCC (and drakconf) curently uses, which is GPLv2+. Unless of corse the author agree to let you change the license. (The authors seems to be Mandriva, Damian Krotkine and Thierry Vignaud.)
+The Plus sign means you can chose a higher version number if you want to. So if you want to change, I suggest GPLv3+. I would. :-)=
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+&gt;<i> 2/ What languages should be available for writing modules? (Perl,
+</I>&gt;<i> C++, python and Ruby are possibilities)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So far mcc2 has been written in Perl (even though I had
+</I>&gt;<i> never written a line of Perl prior to starting this) so as to make
+</I>&gt;<i> porting existing modules a matter of just replacing the Ui calls,
+</I>&gt;<i> but I do like the idea of allowing the modules to be written in more
+</I>&gt;<i> than 1 language to encourage more contributors who may be turned off
+</I>&gt;<i> by having to learn another language.
+</I>&gt;<i> Sticking with Perl will make mcc2 core easier, so I may do that
+</I>&gt;<i> initially regardless. What do you all think?? Is sticking with 1
+</I>&gt;<i> language preferred even if it means less contributors, or is the
+</I>&gt;<i> goal to attract as many module developers as possible?
+</I>
+MCC is also used for the installation right? IMO, suggest to really
+limit the languages for the following reasons:
+- The more languages used, the higher the maintenance burden
+ (an MCC maintainer would have to know all of those languages)
+ IMO that outweighs the benefit this has for random (one-off)
+ contributors
+- Depending on loads of languages means that you make it more difficult
+ to make changes to those languages
+ e.g. if you depend on Python,Ruby and Perl, it will mean that all of
+ these packages cannot break. At the moment only Perl is the thing that
+ cannot break or have incompatible language changes. Result is more
+ packages to go via updates_testing.
+
+I love Python and dislike Perl... but I don't intend to contribute. I
+find the Perl used in the existing drak tools pretty difficult to read.
+This doesn't have to be the case as e.g. Bugzilla (perl) is in latest
+versions pretty readable (it used to be unreadable). Python also be made
+unreadable if someone goes overboard with classes (over-engineered).
+
+One benefit for going for Perl is that any new code will usually be more
+buggy than being able to copy the existing code.
+
+Suggest to figure out language is most preferred by the potential
+contributors, keeping in mind how much contributions they'd likely do.
+If that choice is not Perl, keep in mind that development will probably
+take way more time.
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3/ What should the license be? I would be happy to make it GPL V3,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but is there any argument for something different ?
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+</I>&gt;<i> Another possibility is to have GPL V2 or higher, a lot of programs
+</I>&gt;<i> preferred that way to cover both or maybe to avoid any incompatibility
+</I>&gt;<i> between them... but i'm not a lawyer...
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> I am looking for someone to take over php.
+</I>&gt;<i> I took it initially because we were only a few packagers
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't use it for developing
+</I>&gt;<i> Most of the updates and changes I copied (and copy) from Mandriva done by
+</I>&gt;<i> Oden.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I could take php, since I am doing a lot of php development at work.
+But only if someone else takes Python which I took after Misc left.
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+On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:36:28 +0200
+Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Am 29.09.2012 20:29, schrieb Thomas Spuhler:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am looking for someone to take over php.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I took it initially because we were only a few packagers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't use it for developing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Most of the updates and changes I copied (and copy) from Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; done by Oden.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I could take php, since I am doing a lot of php development at work.
+</I>&gt;<i> But only if someone else takes Python which I took after Misc left.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'm willing to take Python.
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+
+&gt;<i> Oliver
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+<PRE>2012/9/29 Steven Tucker &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tuxta2 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2/ What languages should be available for writing modules? (Perl, C++,
+</I>&gt;<i> python and Ruby are possibilities)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So far mcc2 has been written in Perl (even though I had never
+</I>&gt;<i> written a line of Perl prior to starting this) so as to make porting
+</I>&gt;<i> existing modules a matter of just replacing the Ui calls, but I do like the
+</I>&gt;<i> idea of allowing the modules to be written in more than 1 language to
+</I>&gt;<i> encourage more contributors who may be turned off by having to learn another
+</I>&gt;<i> language.
+</I>Please use Gobject Introspection so that we could have both gtk2 and
+gtk3 version. Sample code on display_help here:
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/standalone/display_help_gtk3">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/standalone/display_help_gtk3</A>
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+As for qt version, I don't think you could deal perl and qml+qtscript
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> ----- Mail original -----
+</I>&gt;<i> De: &quot;Steven Tucker&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tuxta2 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#192;: &quot;Mageia development mailing-list&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Envoy&#233;: Samedi 29 Septembre 2012 14:14:03
+</I>&gt;<i> Objet: [Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have been doing a little work on the proposed control center - mcc2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and would like to put a couple of questions forward to find some direction.
+</I>
+i don't see the point of this rewrite. This have not been discussed a lot but i think that
+this is a lack of time. For me the prior thing to do would be to write a interactive::qt for mcc using perl-qt4 or perl-kde4
+
+I think that if you want to write it in an other language this is more because you have not saw that all our code is linked
+so you will double the code base, the code to maintain, the possible bugs, etc etc.
+
+&gt;<i> 1/ What should we call it ??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have been using mcc2 as a working name, however I'm not
+</I>&gt;<i> convinced this is the right approach. I will soon be uploading the code
+</I>&gt;<i> (been using my own svn repo up till now), and it would be good to start
+</I>&gt;<i> with the name it will stick with. Should the name relate to Mageia?, or
+</I>&gt;<i> should it be more generic?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+you will upload it where ? you can use a github repo i think to make it public.
+
+&gt;<i> 2/ What languages should be available for writing modules? (Perl, C++,
+</I>&gt;<i> python and Ruby are possibilities)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So far mcc2 has been written in Perl (even though I had never
+</I>&gt;<i> written a line of Perl prior to starting this) so as to make porting
+</I>&gt;<i> existing modules a matter of just replacing the Ui calls, but I do like
+</I>&gt;<i> the idea of allowing the modules to be written in more than 1 language
+</I>&gt;<i> to encourage more contributors who may be turned off by having to learn
+</I>&gt;<i> another language.
+</I>&gt;<i> Sticking with Perl will make mcc2 core easier, so I may do that
+</I>&gt;<i> initially regardless. What do you all think?? Is sticking with 1
+</I>&gt;<i> language preferred even if it means less contributors, or is the goal to
+</I>&gt;<i> attract as many module developers as possible?
+</I>
+yes but our libraries are in perl too don't forget this ( libDrakX ). In general i am not a big fan of
+mixing languages.
+
+&gt;<i> 3/ What should the license be?
+</I>&gt;<i> I would be happy to make it GPL V3, but is there any argument
+</I>&gt;<i> for something different ?
+</I>
+As mcc is in gplv2+ i think you have to stick with this licence ( not 100% sure )
+
+&gt;<i> 4/ As an official Mageia project, do I need to sign the copyright over
+</I>&gt;<i> to Mageia ??
+</I>&gt;<i> I am more than happy to do so, I would only ask that I get
+</I>&gt;<i> noted somewhere as the developer, hopefully others will join the
+</I>&gt;<i> developer list as well.
+</I>
+
+&gt;<i> Just to give you an idea of where my code is at ......
+</I>&gt;<i> It is still in early stages, with I would guess about 400 - 500 lines of
+</I>&gt;<i> code.
+</I>&gt;<i> It works across ncurses, gtk and qt with a consistent interface, however
+</I>&gt;<i> there seems to be a bug in the libyui-qt libriaries which Angelo and
+</I>&gt;<i> Matteo will be looking into (Big thank you to those guys for packaging
+</I>&gt;<i> the libyui libraries and helping out when I have questions).
+</I>
+libyui has been choosen w/o real discussions, i don't want you to loose you time if
+at final we don't choose it.
+
+
+&gt;<i> I have little time to work on this for the next 6 weeks, but I hope to
+</I>&gt;<i> have the core system complete, or near to complete when Santa visits,
+</I>&gt;<i> though porting (and adding new) modules will be the bigger task.
+</I>
+better work would be to fix existing one and add new interactive::qt ( or qt4 ).
+And seeing the != between qt4 and qt5 the port to qt5 will be a 'piece of cake'.
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+&gt;<i> Please use Gobject Introspection so that we could have both gtk2
+</I>&gt;<i> and gtk3 version. Sample code on display_help here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/standalone/display_help_gtk3">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/standalone/display_help_gtk3</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As for qt version, I don't think you could deal perl and
+</I>&gt;<i> qml+qtscript at the same time. They are very different.
+</I>As said we're using libyui[1] as abstraction to get ncurses, gtk and
+qt layouts.
+
+Angelo
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+[1] <A HREF="https://gitorious.org/libyui">https://gitorious.org/libyui</A>
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+Il 29/09/2012 21:56, Olav Vitters ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Suggest to figure out language is most preferred by the potential
+</I>&gt;<i> contributors, keeping in mind how much contributions they'd likely
+</I>&gt;<i> do. If that choice is not Perl, keep in mind that development will
+</I>&gt;<i> probably take way more time.
+</I>Well libyui allows to use perl, python and ruby iirc as script
+languages, but also C++. I think C++ could be accepted since
+api breackage is seen only after a rebuilt, abi breackage is
+another story, but they should be only due to libyui issues...
+
+I think perl is mandatory for historical reasons and to get
+some code reused i hope. Then any contribution is welcome
+and if no one can maintain the code it will be removed as
+i think happens today for any packages ;)...
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+Hi Nicolas,
+&gt;<i> i don't see the point of this rewrite. This have not been discussed
+</I>&gt;<i> a lot but i think that this is a lack of time. For me the prior
+</I>&gt;<i> thing to do would be to write a interactive::qt for mcc using
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-qt4 or perl-kde4
+</I>
+As you know i followed both ways, and i wasn't alone, i did it
+with the help of Matteo (aka pasmatt).
+The task you suggested was not that easy, we shared some code
+Matteo wrote, but we could not reach any qt/kde working
+interfaces. If you think that is the right way, and that was
+discussed time ago in Mandriva also, why has no one reached
+the goal? I think because it's not easy, code has been written
+to work for gtk in mind for the most...
+
+&gt;<i> I think that if you want to write it in an other language this is
+</I>&gt;<i> more because you have not saw that all our code is linked so you
+</I>&gt;<i> will double the code base, the code to maintain, the possible
+</I>&gt;<i> bugs, etc etc.
+</I>
+No that is not true, we don't want to use another language
+we just considered to have also &quot;plugins&quot; written in other languages.
+They could be run as a single applications maybe, and also inside new
+&quot;mcc&quot;.
+
+&gt;<i> you will upload it where ? you can use a github repo i think to
+</I>&gt;<i> make it public.
+</I>That is a possibility, yes. But if its goal is to be just a *mageia*
+control center, well... why not to have it in *our* repository?
+
+&gt;<i> yes but our libraries are in perl too don't forget this ( libDrakX
+</I>&gt;<i> ). In general i am not a big fan of mixing languages.
+</I>and only perl is, at the moment. Big goal is to get our things
+integrated. But what we can re-use is in next goal, and i do hope
+help of other contributors here...
+
+&gt;<i> As mcc is in gplv2+ i think you have to stick with this licence (
+</I>&gt;<i> not 100% sure )
+</I>I think that's right, in such a case we won't have any problem in
+(re)using existing software.
+
+&gt;<i> libyui has been choosen w/o real discussions, i don't want you to
+</I>&gt;<i> loose you time if at final we don't choose it.
+</I>That is not true.
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc</A>
+(This page was last modified on 27 June 2012, at 22:22.)
+
+What i recall clear is that this task was proposed a lot
+of time in past, but nobody did it... Why blocking who
+started working on it?
+
+&gt;<i> better work would be to fix existing one and add new
+</I>&gt;<i> interactive::qt ( or qt4 ). And seeing the != between qt4 and qt5
+</I>&gt;<i> the port to qt5 will be a 'piece of cake'.
+</I>you know i tried and i also tried to be helped by someone
+of our community, but as we're all busy in real life and
+we cannot do all, and we focus on what we can really do,
+i think Steven has chosen a right approach. He always
+said it's not for mga3 most luckily mga4 ;)
+
+Cheers,
+ Angelo
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+<PRE>On 30/09/12 17:03, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A> wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have been doing a little work on the proposed control center - mcc2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and would like to put a couple of questions forward to find some direction.
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't see the point of this rewrite. This have not been discussed a lot but i think that
+</I>&gt;<i> this is a lack of time. For me the prior thing to do would be to write a interactive::qt for mcc using perl-qt4 or perl-kde4
+</I>
+Okay, so I see the argument of prioritizing and putting your resources
+towards the highest valued projects, however, the fact is that if I was
+not putting time into this, I would be putting time into my academic
+projects, not another Mageia project.
+
+Also, if it was not a Mageia Control Center, I would be writing the
+Debian Control Center or the Fedora Control Center or the generic
+control center that any distro can use if they find it useful, but I
+would be most happy with Mageia, because the distro and the community rock.
+Angelo and Matteo have put time into packaging (and now bug fixing)
+libyui, but that is something that should be looked at regardless.
+libyui is already in the other major distros, and is useful for writing
+other programs.
+
+So the reality is, there is no waste of resources.
+
+&gt;<i> I think that if you want to write it in an other language this is more because you have not saw that all our code is linked
+</I>&gt;<i> so you will double the code base, the code to maintain, the possible bugs, etc etc.
+</I>
+If it was my language of choice I would be writing it in C++. It was
+100% due to discussions on the list and in IRC that led to writing it in
+Perl. As noted, I have previously never written any Perl, and so it
+would not have been my first or even second choice, I did it purely
+because of the feedback I received from the Mageia community.
+
+When talking about other languages, I am not referring to the main
+program, but only optional (not core) modules.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> 1/ What should we call it ??
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have been using mcc2 as a working name, however I'm not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> convinced this is the right approach. I will soon be uploading the code
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (been using my own svn repo up till now), and it would be good to start
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with the name it will stick with. Should the name relate to Mageia?, or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should it be more generic?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you will upload it where ? you can use a github repo i think to make it public.
+</I>
+Currently I am using a university server with svn and Redmine, and I am
+completely happy with it. I was going to move it to the mageia repo so
+that people could see the program as it progresses, and perhaps even
+contribute if they feel motivated to do so. If anyone is interested they
+can let me know and I'll create them an account, Angelo and Matteo
+already have full access.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> 2/ What languages should be available for writing modules? (Perl, C++,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> python and Ruby are possibilities)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So far mcc2 has been written in Perl (even though I had never
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> written a line of Perl prior to starting this) so as to make porting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> existing modules a matter of just replacing the Ui calls, but I do like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the idea of allowing the modules to be written in more than 1 language
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to encourage more contributors who may be turned off by having to learn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> another language.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sticking with Perl will make mcc2 core easier, so I may do that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> initially regardless. What do you all think?? Is sticking with 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> language preferred even if it means less contributors, or is the goal to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> attract as many module developers as possible?
+</I>&gt;<i> yes but our libraries are in perl too don't forget this ( libDrakX ). In general i am not a big fan of
+</I>&gt;<i> mixing languages.
+</I>
+Okay, so +1 for Perl only.
+&gt;&gt;<i> 3/ What should the license be?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would be happy to make it GPL V3, but is there any argument
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for something different ?
+</I>&gt;<i> As mcc is in gplv2+ i think you have to stick with this licence ( not 100% sure )
+</I>
+Well, the core is a full rewrite, so potentially it could be licensed
+any way I choose. The modules however are planned to reuse code to save
+time and so they would have to respect the existing licenses.
+
+When asking about licensing, I am referring to the core, not modules.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Just to give you an idea of where my code is at ......
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is still in early stages, with I would guess about 400 - 500 lines of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> code.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It works across ncurses, gtk and qt with a consistent interface, however
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there seems to be a bug in the libyui-qt libriaries which Angelo and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Matteo will be looking into (Big thank you to those guys for packaging
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the libyui libraries and helping out when I have questions).
+</I>&gt;<i> libyui has been choosen w/o real discussions, i don't want you to loose you time if
+</I>&gt;<i> at final we don't choose it.
+</I>
+There were discussions both on mailing list and IRC, a proposal was
+written and accepted. I'm not sure what extra discussion is required?
+
+One of the biggest critisims the first time this was discussed, was that
+such a rewrite has been suggested many times in the past, but the amount
+of discussion out weighed the amount of code. Now that I have actually
+written some code there is a call for more discussion.
+
+Don't worry about me loosing time, if it does not become a Mageia
+project it will become my own private project, and if any distro sees
+potential I will work with them, other wise I will just do it for myself.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> I have little time to work on this for the next 6 weeks, but I hope to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have the core system complete, or near to complete when Santa visits,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> though porting (and adding new) modules will be the bigger task.
+</I>&gt;<i> better work would be to fix existing one and add new interactive::qt ( or qt4 ).
+</I>&gt;<i> And seeing the != between qt4 and qt5 the port to qt5 will be a 'piece of cake'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I disagree entirely. The existing mcc makes ncurses a second rate
+citizen. The main reason I started this project was that when I was
+putting a cluster together I realised with a couple of extra modules, it
+would be trivial to do it all in mcc. When I actually had a look at the
+ncurses version it was incomplete, not all modules are shared, and the
+interface was not consistent. The work that would be required to &quot;fix
+the existing one&quot; amounts to writing an abstraction layer and then
+rewriting mcc, using libyui elimated the first part (which is also the
+largest part). I also looked at writing a module anyway, and found docs
+and tutorials lacking.
+
+There are a number of reasons why libyui is the right choice, even
+though we may have to extend it ourselves, but I have already had this
+discussion so don't want to lay it all out here again. Please see the
+proposal and mail archives.
+
+
+One last but very important point. This is very much in its infancy!
+While I hope it will go all the way, the reality is that projects
+sometimes fail. I will work to prevent that, but some times life gets in
+the way. My point is, I don't want to waste time on endless discussions
+if it was never going to really make it anyway. My plan is to keep
+writing small snippets of code when I get the chance, and once semester
+is finished, have more of a go and see where it leads. The time used for
+this email for instance, could have been spent working on the module
+launching section, or helping Angelo with the window title bug. If
+putting it into the Mageia repo is going to be a big deal, I'd rather
+just keep working in silence.
+
+Regards
+
+Tuxta
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+On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:14:03 +1000
+Steven Tucker &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tuxta2 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have been doing a little work on the proposed control center - mcc2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and would like to put a couple of questions forward to find some
+</I>&gt;<i> direction.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1/ What should we call it ??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have been using mcc2 as a working name, however I'm not
+</I>&gt;<i> convinced this is the right approach. I will soon be uploading the
+</I>&gt;<i> code (been using my own svn repo up till now), and it would be good
+</I>&gt;<i> to start with the name it will stick with. Should the name relate to
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia?, or should it be more generic?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2/ What languages should be available for writing modules? (Perl,
+</I>&gt;<i> C++, python and Ruby are possibilities)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So far mcc2 has been written in Perl (even though I had
+</I>&gt;<i> never written a line of Perl prior to starting this) so as to make
+</I>&gt;<i> porting existing modules a matter of just replacing the Ui calls, but
+</I>&gt;<i> I do like the idea of allowing the modules to be written in more than
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 language to encourage more contributors who may be turned off by
+</I>&gt;<i> having to learn another language.
+</I>&gt;<i> Sticking with Perl will make mcc2 core easier, so I may do that
+</I>&gt;<i> initially regardless. What do you all think?? Is sticking with 1
+</I>&gt;<i> language preferred even if it means less contributors, or is the goal
+</I>&gt;<i> to attract as many module developers as possible?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3/ What should the license be?
+</I>&gt;<i> I would be happy to make it GPL V3, but is there any
+</I>&gt;<i> argument for something different ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The problem with the GPLv3 is that it is incompatible with code that
+is GPLv2-only. So the code should preferably be GPLv2-and-above or even
+LGPLv2-and-above or under the <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License</A> .
+Otherwise, one is introducing many future potential incompatibilities (and
+you can thank the FSF for that!).
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+&gt;<i> - Split Sound into Sound/Editors and Convertors, Sound/Midi, ...
+</I>
+I hope you're following the changelog mailing list. Sometimes the groups
+are difficult.
+
+E.g. task-pulseaudio was in Sound. I put it in Sound/Utilities.. but
+really no clue which group it should be in. Maybe a task- thing should
+not be in a specific category? Meaning: &#8594; System/Base.
+
+rhythmbox-mozilla: &quot;It provides a handler for <A HREF="itms://">itms://</A> Links to Apples
+iTunes Music Store&quot;. Is that a player, or should it be under
+communications?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 30/09/12 13:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:00:04PM +0100, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Split Sound into Sound/Editors and Convertors, Sound/Midi, ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope you're following the changelog mailing list. Sometimes the groups
+</I>&gt;<i> are difficult.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> E.g. task-pulseaudio was in Sound. I put it in Sound/Utilities.. but
+</I>&gt;<i> really no clue which group it should be in. Maybe a task- thing should
+</I>&gt;<i> not be in a specific category? Meaning: &#8594; System/Base.
+</I>
+FWIW, I also commented on the &quot;Sound&quot; -&gt; ?? question for the main
+PulseAudio package. I put it in Sound/Mixers but I really don't like it
+either as a &quot;Mixer&quot; in terms of these categories really does imply
+something a little more &quot;frontendy&quot; rather than a core plumbing layer.
+
+I still think some kind of System/*, or Sound/Plumbing category for most
+PA stuff is better to separate it out for high level stuff, but I'm not
+super fussed personally, so I won't fight for it!
+
+
+Col
+
+
+--
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+<PRE>Maybe we could make possible to put a package in two different groups.
+So in the .spec file we could have more than one Group: field.
+
+In .desktop files it is already possible to put a software in several
+categories.
+
+2012/9/30, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:00:04PM +0100, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Split Sound into Sound/Editors and Convertors, Sound/Midi, ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope you're following the changelog mailing list. Sometimes the groups
+</I>&gt;<i> are difficult.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> E.g. task-pulseaudio was in Sound. I put it in Sound/Utilities.. but
+</I>&gt;<i> really no clue which group it should be in. Maybe a task- thing should
+</I>&gt;<i> not be in a specific category? Meaning: &#8594; System/Base.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rhythmbox-mozilla: &quot;It provides a handler for <A HREF="itms://">itms://</A> Links to Apples
+</I>&gt;<i> iTunes Music Store&quot;. Is that a player, or should it be under
+</I>&gt;<i> communications?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Olav
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Barry Jackson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 23/09/12 21:16, zezinho wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;svn export&quot; gives a better tarball...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes - thanks for the correction - maybe even better to use:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> svn co <A HREF="https://svn.linuxsampler.org/svn/linuxsampler/trunk">https://svn.linuxsampler.org/svn/linuxsampler/trunk</A> linuxsampler
+</I>&gt;<i> tar -czf linuxsampler.tar.gz linuxsampler/ --exclude-vcs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> .. which strips the svn stuff during tarball creation.
+</I>&gt;<i> This way the tree may be updated if required.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>@ Barry and Zezinho
+Thanks to your help ...
+
+Indeed I already used svn in the past...
+
+Now that I created patches for the official source archive, (adding some
+stuff in some makefile.in files) I tried to work on the last svn sources.
+
+Indeed some upstream bugs are corrected ... everything can be built and
+works fluently...
+
+Nevertheless, I encounter a problem for building packages with the svn
+source archives :
+
+I have to add patches that only can be added on Makefile.in... and the
+archive only contains makefile.cvs or makefile.svn
+I have to create the makefile.in before to apply the patch
+
+the command is : make -f makefile.cvs (or svn )
+
+I can't add this line in the %setup part of the spec file
+
+I can't add a patch command to modify the created Makefile.in in the
+%build part of the spec file
+
+
+So I have to first apply the command on a uncompressed source directory
+then to compress again this directory in a new archived source file
+Then I can use my spec and patches.
+
+
+Is there a way to write a spec file so that we can apply patches after
+the makefile.in are created ?
+If not...
+- Must I provide an attached srpm in bugzilla (maybe too huge)
+
+- Or is it enough to attach a spec file (telling which svn revision I
+use) letting anyone interested prepares himself the adequate archive
+(that's to say :
+uncompress the tar.gz,
+ open a console,
+enter the uncompressed directory,
+enter make -f makefile.cvs
+compress the modified directory into tar.bz2 to prevent from confusion )
+and then use the spec (looking for a tar.bz2 source)
+
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 27/09/12 17:05 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/09/12 16:09 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 27.9.2012 15:31:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 27/09/12 11:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> While the new reboot is completing, and while I remember - irqbalance
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> daemon always fails to start. I've assumed it's not relevant?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I noticed this yesterday too. It has a very incomplete systemd unit for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> some reason. Will have to investigate who added that without checking it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I did ... for Mga2 the service file shipped in irqbalance-1.0.3 tarball
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> works, but for the updated 1.0.4 in Cauldron upstream did this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- irqbalance-1.0.3/misc/irqbalance.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ irqbalance-1.0.4/misc/irqbalance.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -3,9 +3,8 @@ Description=irqbalance daemon
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After=syslog.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [Service]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -EnvironmentFile=/etc/sysconfig/irqbalance
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Type=forking
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -ExecStart=/usr/sbin/irqbalance $ONESHOT
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +EnvironmentFile=/path/to/irqbalance.env
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +ExecStart=/usr/sbin/irqbalance --foreground $IRQBALANCE_ARGS
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I'm glad upstream have made their unit much better :p
+</I>
+Interestingly with the updated version, irqbalance --foreground seems to
+exit after about 10s which isn't very useful.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>30.09.2012 16:39, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 27/09/12 17:05 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/09/12 16:09 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 27.9.2012 15:31:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 27/09/12 11:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> While the new reboot is completing, and while I remember - irqbalance
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> daemon always fails to start. I've assumed it's not relevant?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I noticed this yesterday too. It has a very incomplete systemd unit for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> some reason. Will have to investigate who added that without checking it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I did ... for Mga2 the service file shipped in irqbalance-1.0.3 tarball
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> works, but for the updated 1.0.4 in Cauldron upstream did this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --- irqbalance-1.0.3/misc/irqbalance.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +++ irqbalance-1.0.4/misc/irqbalance.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -3,9 +3,8 @@ Description=irqbalance daemon
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> After=syslog.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [Service]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -EnvironmentFile=/etc/sysconfig/irqbalance
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -Type=forking
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -ExecStart=/usr/sbin/irqbalance $ONESHOT
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +EnvironmentFile=/path/to/irqbalance.env
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +ExecStart=/usr/sbin/irqbalance --foreground $IRQBALANCE_ARGS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, I'm glad upstream have made their unit much better :p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Interestingly with the updated version, irqbalance --foreground seems to
+</I>&gt;<i> exit after about 10s which isn't very useful.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+No such problem here... it stays active all the time...
+
+Any info in the any logs ?
+
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> (that's to say :
+</I>&gt;<i> uncompress the tar.gz,
+</I>&gt;<i> open a console,
+</I>&gt;<i> enter the uncompressed directory,
+</I>&gt;<i> enter make -f makefile.cvs
+</I>&gt;<i> compress the modified directory into tar.bz2 to prevent from confusion )
+</I>&gt;<i> and then use the spec (looking for a tar.bz2 source)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sorry for the typo :I meant :
+
+&gt;<i> (that's to say :
+</I>&gt;<i> uncompress the tar.gz,
+</I>&gt;<i> open a console,
+</I>&gt;<i> enter INTO the uncompressed directory,
+</I>&gt;<i> enter THE COMMAND : make -f makefile.cvs
+</I>&gt;<i> compress the modified directory into tar.bz2 to prevent from confusion )
+</I>&gt;<i> and then use the spec (looking for a tar.bz2 source)
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 30/09/12 14:44 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 30.09.2012 16:39, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 27/09/12 17:05 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/09/12 16:09 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 27.9.2012 15:31:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 27/09/12 11:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> While the new reboot is completing, and while I remember - irqbalance
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> daemon always fails to start. I've assumed it's not relevant?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I noticed this yesterday too. It has a very incomplete systemd unit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> some reason. Will have to investigate who added that without
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> checking it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I did ... for Mga2 the service file shipped in irqbalance-1.0.3 tarball
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> works, but for the updated 1.0.4 in Cauldron upstream did this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --- irqbalance-1.0.3/misc/irqbalance.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +++ irqbalance-1.0.4/misc/irqbalance.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -3,9 +3,8 @@ Description=irqbalance daemon
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> After=syslog.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [Service]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -EnvironmentFile=/etc/sysconfig/irqbalance
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -Type=forking
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -ExecStart=/usr/sbin/irqbalance $ONESHOT
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +EnvironmentFile=/path/to/irqbalance.env
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +ExecStart=/usr/sbin/irqbalance --foreground $IRQBALANCE_ARGS
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, I'm glad upstream have made their unit much better :p
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Interestingly with the updated version, irqbalance --foreground seems to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> exit after about 10s which isn't very useful.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No such problem here... it stays active all the time...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any info in the any logs ?
+</I>
+Not that I can see. It does seem to run for almost exactly 10s tho'.
+
+It starts up quick and the delay happens after outputting &quot;LOCAL CPU
+MASK: 00000003&quot;
+
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at jimmy</A> ~]# date;/usr/sbin/irqbalance --foreground --debug;date
+Sun 30 Sep 14:56:20 BST 2012
+Package 0: numa_node is 0 cpu mask is 00000003 (load 0)
+ Cache domain 0: numa_node is 0 cpu mask is 00000003 (load 0)
+ CPU number 0 numa_node is 0 (load 0)
+ CPU number 1 numa_node is 0 (load 0)
+Adding IRQ 16 to database
+Adding IRQ 42 to database
+Adding IRQ 40 to database
+Adding IRQ 41 to database
+Adding IRQ 20 to database
+Adding IRQ 21 to database
+Adding IRQ 22 to database
+Adding IRQ 23 to database
+DROPPING DUPLICATE ENTRY FOR IRQ 20 on path
+/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:1d.7
+Adding IRQ 17 to database
+DROPPING DUPLICATE ENTRY FOR IRQ 17 on path
+/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:1f.3
+DROPPING DUPLICATE ENTRY FOR IRQ 17 on path
+/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:03:00.0
+Adding IRQ 19 to database
+Adding IRQ 18 to database
+DROPPING DUPLICATE ENTRY FOR IRQ 18 on path
+/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:03:01.2
+DROPPING DUPLICATE ENTRY FOR IRQ 18 on path
+/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:03:01.3
+Adding IRQ 43 to database
+NUMA NODE NUMBER: -1
+LOCAL CPU MASK:
+ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,
+ ffffffff,
+ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff,ffffffff
+
+NUMA NODE NUMBER: 0
+LOCAL CPU MASK: 00000003
+
+
+
+
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Package 0: numa_node is 0 cpu mask is 00000003 (load 0)
+ Cache domain 0: numa_node is 0 cpu mask is 00000003 (load 0)
+ CPU number 0 numa_node is 0 (load 0)
+ Interrupt 43 node_num is -1 (ethernet/0)
+ CPU number 1 numa_node is 0 (load 0)
+ Interrupt 41 node_num is -1 (legacy/0)
+ Interrupt 40 node_num is -1 (legacy/0)
+ Interrupt 19 node_num is -1 (legacy/0)
+ Interrupt 17 node_num is -1 (storage/0)
+ Interrupt 23 node_num is -1 (legacy/0)
+ Interrupt 22 node_num is -1 (legacy/0)
+ Interrupt 21 node_num is -1 (legacy/0)
+ Interrupt 20 node_num is -1 (legacy/0)
+ Interrupt 18 node_num is -1 (other/0)
+ Interrupt 42 node_num is -1 (other/0)
+ Interrupt 16 node_num is -1 (other/0)
+Sun 30 Sep 14:56:30 BST 2012
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Well, the core is a full rewrite, so potentially it could be licensed
+</I>&gt;<i> any way I choose. The modules however are planned to reuse code to save
+</I>&gt;<i> time and so they would have to respect the existing licenses.
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+</I>&gt;<i> When asking about licensing, I am referring to the core, not modules.
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+Well, modules could have license problems in some cases... so the choice
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you will upload it where ? you can use a github repo i think to make it public.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently I am using a university server with svn and Redmine, and I am
+</I>&gt;<i> completely happy with it. I was going to move it to the mageia repo so that
+</I>&gt;<i> people could see the program as it progresses, and perhaps even contribute
+</I>&gt;<i> if they feel motivated to do so. If anyone is interested they can let me
+</I>&gt;<i> know and I'll create them an account, Angelo and Matteo already have full
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+I think it would be a good idea to have it on Mageia svn.
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+Il 30/09/2012 20:03, nicolas vigier ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 30 Sep 2012, Steven Tucker wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you will upload it where ? you can use a github repo i think to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> make it public.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Currently I am using a university server with svn and Redmine,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and I am completely happy with it. I was going to move it to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia repo so that people could see the program as it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> progresses, and perhaps even contribute if they feel motivated to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do so. If anyone is interested they can let me know and I'll
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> create them an account, Angelo and Matteo already have full
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> access.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it would be a good idea to have it on Mageia svn.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well to be honest that has been already discussed via irc,
+and it seems to be as you said a good thing, the real
+question is how to call it :)
+
+I've thought for a while to generic control center, but I
+think developers and packagers are not very happy to manage
+the name conflicting with gcc :)
+
+Angelo
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+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have been doing a little work on the proposed control center - mcc2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and would like to put a couple of questions forward to find some direction.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1/ What should we call it ??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have been using mcc2 as a working name, however I'm not convinced
+</I>&gt;<i> this is the right approach. I will soon be uploading the code (been using
+</I>&gt;<i> my own svn repo up till now), and it would be good to start with the name
+</I>&gt;<i> it will stick with. Should the name relate to Mageia?, or should it be more
+</I>&gt;<i> generic?
+</I>
+If it's intended to become a replacement for MCC in the future, maybe
+this could be named something like &quot;mcc-new&quot; or &quot;mcc-libyui&quot; as a
+temporary name in the svn, and renamed to mcc or an other name when
+it's ready to replace the old mcc.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2/ What languages should be available for writing modules? (Perl, C++,
+</I>&gt;<i> python and Ruby are possibilities)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So far mcc2 has been written in Perl (even though I had never
+</I>&gt;<i> written a line of Perl prior to starting this) so as to make porting
+</I>&gt;<i> existing modules a matter of just replacing the Ui calls, but I do like the
+</I>&gt;<i> idea of allowing the modules to be written in more than 1 language to
+</I>&gt;<i> encourage more contributors who may be turned off by having to learn
+</I>&gt;<i> another language.
+</I>&gt;<i> Sticking with Perl will make mcc2 core easier, so I may do that initially
+</I>&gt;<i> regardless. What do you all think?? Is sticking with 1 language preferred
+</I>&gt;<i> even if it means less contributors, or is the goal to attract as many
+</I>&gt;<i> module developers as possible?
+</I>
+Do you plan to keep compatibility with current mcc modules ?
+The modules are also used in the installer. To avoid maintaining two
+versions of the modules, the same modules should work in the installer
+and mcc.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3/ What should the license be?
+</I>&gt;<i> I would be happy to make it GPL V3, but is there any argument for
+</I>&gt;<i> something different ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4/ As an official Mageia project, do I need to sign the copyright over to
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia ??
+</I>&gt;<i> I am more than happy to do so, I would only ask that I get noted
+</I>&gt;<i> somewhere as the developer, hopefully others will join the developer list
+</I>&gt;<i> as well.
+</I>
+I think you can keep the copyright. Releasing the software under an open
+source license should be enough. Mageia does not own copyright of the
+other softwares.
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+
+On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Angelo Naselli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> the real
+</I>&gt;<i> question is how to call it :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've thought for a while to generic control center, but I
+</I>&gt;<i> think developers and packagers are not very happy to manage
+</I>&gt;<i> the name conflicting with gcc :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> generic graphical control center ? : ggcc
+</I>
+
+
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+<PRE>Op zondag 30 september 2012 20:28:24 schreef Frederic Janssens:
+&gt;<i> generic graphical control center ? : ggcc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Angelo Naselli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the real
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; question is how to call it :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've thought for a while to generic control center, but I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; think developers and packagers are not very happy to manage
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the name conflicting with gcc :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; generic graphical control center ? : ggcc
+</I>
+why not just controlcenter as a full name?
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+<PRE>On Sun, 2012-09-30 at 20:13 +0200, Angelo Naselli wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Well to be honest that has been already discussed via irc,
+</I>&gt;<i> and it seems to be as you said a good thing, the real
+</I>&gt;<i> question is how to call it :)
+</I>
+The usual choices are
+1. an acronym few people will remember
+ e.g. miascm (multi-interface system control module)
+
+2. a cute name with no relation to function
+ e.g. WandWaver
+
+3. a name that suggests purpose, perhaps with an abbreviation for the
+commandline
+ e.g. Configuration and User Management
+ and, er, &quot;conman&quot; as a command (not cum, I think).
+
+I can review the Perl code a little if it helps - my goal with Perl is
+always to write something that can be read and changed later, even if
+it's less &quot;Perl-like&quot; as a result. E.g. send me a file or two.
+
+Liam
+
+--
+Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <A HREF="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</A>
+Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
+Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml
+Co-author: 5th edition of &quot;Beginning XML&quot;, Wrox, July 2012
+
+</PRE>
+
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Sep 1 05:02:39 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Sep 30 20:49:27 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 667<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018502.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5686] For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi. cfg file while creating
+</A><A NAME="18502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018398.html">[Mageia-dev] Daemons and initscripts
+</A><A NAME="18398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018490.html">[Mageia-dev] meeting
+</A><A NAME="18490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018492.html">[Mageia-dev] meeting
+</A><A NAME="18492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018613.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018659.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018710.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018733.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018746.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018789.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018814.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018827.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018835.html">[Mageia-dev] drakdisk numerous warnings
+</A><A NAME="18835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018855.html">[Mageia-dev] drakdisk numerous warnings
+</A><A NAME="18855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018894.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018899.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018903.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018927.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018935.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018969.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019039.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019062.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018805.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018871.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019015.html">[Mageia-dev] gt3-devel and GConf2-devel question
+</A><A NAME="19015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019016.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: gt3-devel and GConf2-devel question
+</A><A NAME="19016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018415.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018446.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [272801] drop old manpages in favour of the newer man-pages rpm (glibc)
+</A><A NAME="18446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018497.html">[Mageia-dev] BS stalled for i586 arch.
+</A><A NAME="18497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018501.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/updates x11-server-1.13.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018534.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron tainted/updates_testing util-linux-2.22-4.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="18534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018537.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron tainted/updates_testing util-linux-2.22-4.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="18537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018538.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/updates_testing x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.1-4.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018542.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/updates_testing x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.1-4.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018573.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018601.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release selinux-policy-3.11.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018615.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018664.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018666.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018715.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018721.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018754.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018759.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo perl6
+</A><A NAME="18759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018828.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018851.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018868.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018875.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018878.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018882.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018907.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018992.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019054.html">[Mageia-dev] irqbalance
+</A><A NAME="19054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018545.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018582.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018712.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018427.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha1
+</A><A NAME="18427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Xavier Bertaux
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018445.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [272801] drop old manpages in favour of the newer man-pages rpm (glibc)
+</A><A NAME="18445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018466.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-0.11.93-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018471.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018482.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018514.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qemu-1.2.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018531.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018532.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018596.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018599.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018621.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018632.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018636.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018685.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-25.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018696.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018734.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release drakx-installer-images-1.83-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018812.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018858.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018859.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with i915 DRI
+</A><A NAME="18859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018884.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018901.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018909.html">[Mageia-dev] halectomy and policykitectomy (Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="18909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018910.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018928.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018930.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018931.html">[Mageia-dev] ncurses ABI breakage (Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iftop-0.17-9.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="18931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018951.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release drakx-installer-images-1.83-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018952.html">[Mageia-dev] ncurses ABI breakage (Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iftop-0.17-9.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="18952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019002.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and non-systemd services question
+</A><A NAME="19002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018681.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018782.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018784.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018794.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018797.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018800.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018948.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018539.html">[Mageia-dev] Programm starters in LXDE panel
+</A><A NAME="18539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018548.html">[Mageia-dev] Programm starters in LXDE panel
+</A><A NAME="18548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018564.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki
+</A><A NAME="18564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019029.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019040.html">[Mageia-dev] PHP maintenance
+</A><A NAME="19040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018553.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018555.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018758.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo perl6
+</A><A NAME="18758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018765.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo perl6
+</A><A NAME="18765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018767.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo perl6
+</A><A NAME="18767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018769.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018772.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018775.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018779.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018790.html">[Mageia-dev] msec import
+</A><A NAME="18790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018916.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6052] update Authors
+</A><A NAME="18916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018996.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="18996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019025.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="19025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018693.html">[Mageia-dev] obsolete(s) on SVN?
+</A><A NAME="18693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018560.html">[Mageia-dev] Previous discussion of the Adobe Flash plugin Fix, (Need link to download patch)
+</A><A NAME="18560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jacob Daniels
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018543.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018572.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018616.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018698.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018699.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018739.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilds needed ?
+</A><A NAME="18739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018744.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018748.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018843.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018850.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018856.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018908.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018937.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018959.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="18959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018961.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018965.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018967.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018968.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="18968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018979.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018983.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019027.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019034.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018798.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Digigold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018813.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Digigold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018886.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitri
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018647.html">[Mageia-dev] /sbin/poweroff &amp; kdm
+</A><A NAME="18647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018652.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018792.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018876.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018887.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018970.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018495.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018513.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release irqbalance-1.0.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018540.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018546.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018577.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018831.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libusbx-1.0.13-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018960.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018962.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018966.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019007.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release cairo-dock-3.0.2-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018757.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oden Eriksson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018763.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oden Eriksson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018421.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] searching for plasmoid developers to implement Newbie How-to feature
+</A><A NAME="18421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018449.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018639.html">[Mageia-dev] Are we going to have an IRC meeting today?
+</A><A NAME="18639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018658.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018706.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018745.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018801.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018806.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018819.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018880.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018995.html">[Mageia-dev] Pidgin is broken on Mageia Cauldron + A Fix
+</A><A NAME="18995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019005.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="19005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019011.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019041.html">[Mageia-dev] PHP maintenance
+</A><A NAME="19041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019048.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018510.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange message in Firefox
+</A><A NAME="18510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018722.html">[Mageia-dev] shutdown stalls
+</A><A NAME="18722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018834.html">[Mageia-dev] Re-enable the documentation in kchildlock
+</A><A NAME="18834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018435.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018738.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilds needed ?
+</A><A NAME="18738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018740.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilds needed ?
+</A><A NAME="18740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018770.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018821.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018994.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and non-systemd services question
+</A><A NAME="18994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019000.html">[Mageia-dev] More systemd strangeness
+</A><A NAME="19000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019003.html">[Mageia-dev] More systemd strangeness
+</A><A NAME="19003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019006.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and non-systemd services question
+</A><A NAME="19006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018654.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phoenix Guo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018675.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phoenix Guo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018403.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018407.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5526] (mkinitrd) More logging on why initrd generation is skipped
+</A><A NAME="18407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018408.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5525] (mkinitrd) Fix prefix checking in foreign partition check (mga#6966)
+</A><A NAME="18408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018419.html">[Mageia-dev] a wifi regression
+</A><A NAME="18419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018433.html">[Mageia-dev] make -l ?
+</A><A NAME="18433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018437.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018438.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018447.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018448.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018465.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018467.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release clutter-1.11.14-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018469.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018470.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-0.11.93-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018483.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and NAMESPACE
+</A><A NAME="18483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018484.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018494.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018500.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5686] For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi. cfg file while creating
+</A><A NAME="18500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018523.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018524.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018550.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018568.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018571.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018587.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018603.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018604.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018629.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018671.html">[Mageia-dev] /sbin/poweroff &amp; kdm
+</A><A NAME="18671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018672.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018676.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018709.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018726.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018737.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018761.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018762.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018764.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018816.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone else seeing Qt4+QtScript segv's (e.g. in kate + __memcpy_ssse3)
+</A><A NAME="18816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018820.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone else seeing Qt4+QtScript segv's (e.g. in kate + __memcpy_ssse3)
+</A><A NAME="18820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018919.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018921.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018925.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018942.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+</A><A NAME="18942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018971.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="18971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018972.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018973.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018977.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018978.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018985.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018989.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018991.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018997.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018998.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and non-systemd services question
+</A><A NAME="18998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019001.html">[Mageia-dev] More systemd strangeness
+</A><A NAME="19001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019010.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone else seeing Qt4+QtScript segv's (e.g. in kate + __memcpy_ssse3)
+</A><A NAME="19010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019013.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019026.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019050.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019053.html">[Mageia-dev] irqbalance (was: Re: Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update)
+</A><A NAME="19053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019056.html">[Mageia-dev] irqbalance
+</A><A NAME="19056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018529.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018565.html">[Mageia-dev] Previous discussion of the Adobe Flash plugin Fix, (Need link to download patch)
+</A><A NAME="18565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018576.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018695.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018953.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [293158] disable 'fortify' to prevent crashes (mga#6723)
+</A><A NAME="18953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018954.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmrc [5221] build with -fPIC on x86_64 too (pok, mdv)
+</A><A NAME="18954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018963.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019019.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="19019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018432.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018917.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederik Himpe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018530.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018638.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018644.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018651.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018661.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018663.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018665.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018667.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018670.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018673.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018679.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018683.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018688.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018609.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018830.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018838.html">[Mageia-dev] lib64usb1.0_0-1.0.13-1.mga3 conflict
+</A><A NAME="18838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018864.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018892.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018934.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018943.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018944.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018984.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018423.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha1
+</A><A NAME="18423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019061.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018411.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018441.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to kde 4.9.1
+</A><A NAME="18441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018551.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018559.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018574.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018575.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018422.html">[Mageia-dev] make -l ?
+</A><A NAME="18422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018424.html">[Mageia-dev] a wifi regression
+</A><A NAME="18424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018848.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018402.html">[Mageia-dev] Daemons and initscripts
+</A><A NAME="18402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018597.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019014.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release draklive-2.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018536.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/updates_testing x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.1-4.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018567.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018588.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018590.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018623.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018626.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018701.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018756.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018839.html">[Mageia-dev] lib64usb1.0_0-1.0.13-1.mga3 conflict
+</A><A NAME="18839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018906.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018912.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018913.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018755.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018783.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018918.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018440.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to kde 4.9.1
+</A><A NAME="18440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018552.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018554.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018580.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018648.html">[Mageia-dev] /sbin/poweroff &amp; kdm
+</A><A NAME="18648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018723.html">[Mageia-dev] shutdown stalls
+</A><A NAME="18723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018774.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019017.html">[Mageia-dev] gt3-devel and GConf2-devel question
+</A><A NAME="19017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018459.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release clutter-1.11.14-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018477.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018476.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and NAMESPACE
+</A><A NAME="18476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018520.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018610.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018614.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018619.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018645.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018849.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with i915 DRI
+</A><A NAME="18849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018870.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018879.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018895.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018401.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018595.html">[Mageia-dev] missing signature again
+</A><A NAME="18595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018897.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018896.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019018.html">[Mageia-dev] build problem
+</A><A NAME="19018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019032.html">[Mageia-dev] build problem
+</A><A NAME="19032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019033.html">[Mageia-dev] build problem
+</A><A NAME="19033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019051.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018400.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018409.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018412.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018462.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron display broken
+</A><A NAME="18462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018461.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron display broken
+</A><A NAME="18461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018631.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018637.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018660.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018662.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018689.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018791.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018846.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019030.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019044.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019045.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019046.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019057.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019059.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018420.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha1
+</A><A NAME="18420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018464.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018491.html">[Mageia-dev] meeting
+</A><A NAME="18491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018493.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 1 wiki page
+</A><A NAME="18493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018522.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 - alpha 1 is available
+</A><A NAME="18522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018635.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018640.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="18640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018650.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018707.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018741.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018750.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018847.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018857.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018902.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018904.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018703.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018705.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018708.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018716.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018718.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018724.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018655.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 7049] Update candidate for phonon-gstreamer
+</A><A NAME="18655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018719.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018825.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018826.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018829.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018832.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018840.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018842.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018844.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018845.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018854.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018860.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018866.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018867.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018881.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018883.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018885.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018936.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019052.html">[Mageia-dev] need some more help to build rpms from linuxsampler project
+</A><A NAME="19052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019055.html">[Mageia-dev] need some more help to build rpms from linuxsampler project
+</A><A NAME="19055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018569.html">[Mageia-dev] pthread segfaults?
+</A><A NAME="18569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018751.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018785.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018731.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018888.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018891.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019021.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="19021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019020.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="19020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019063.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018781.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire REVILLET
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018642.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018669.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018686.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018766.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018561.html">[Mageia-dev] Previous discussion of the Adobe Flash plugin Fix, (Need link to download patch)
+</A><A NAME="18561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018562.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018690.html">[Mageia-dev] obsolete(s) on SVN?
+</A><A NAME="18690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018481.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018649.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019004.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="19004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018478.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018480.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018487.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018489.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018498.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018503.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018622.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018624.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018627.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018628.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018656.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018674.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018717.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018743.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="18743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018749.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libxslt-1.1.27-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018760.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018777.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018788.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018796.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018807.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018811.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018836.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018837.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018841.html">[Mageia-dev] drakdisk numerous warnings
+</A><A NAME="18841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018861.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018397.html">[Mageia-dev] Daemons and initscripts
+</A><A NAME="18397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018399.html">[Mageia-dev] Daemons and initscripts
+</A><A NAME="18399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018425.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] searching for plasmoid developers to implement Newbie How-to feature
+</A><A NAME="18425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018454.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018581.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018678.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018691.html">[Mageia-dev] obsolete(s) on SVN?
+</A><A NAME="18691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018725.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018742.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018768.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018773.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018776.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018778.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018833.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018964.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019023.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="19023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019024.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019036.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019037.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018578.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018579.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018605.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release selinux-policy-3.11.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018606.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018617.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl location
+</A><A NAME="18617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018711.html">[Mageia-dev] setools
+</A><A NAME="18711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019035.html">[Mageia-dev] PHP maintenance
+</A><A NAME="19035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018799.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018802.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018926.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mihphoto-1.0.8-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018428.html">[Mageia-dev] make -l ?
+</A><A NAME="18428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018453.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018475.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018570.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018583.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018584.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018618.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl location
+</A><A NAME="18618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018657.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018677.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5837] mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</A><A NAME="18677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018682.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5837] mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</A><A NAME="18682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018752.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018753.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018817.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5959] Mount /dev/shm as tmpfs
+</A><A NAME="18817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018980.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018517.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018519.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018525.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018426.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha1
+</A><A NAME="18426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018533.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 - alpha 1 is available
+</A><A NAME="18533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018591.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019028.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019047.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018518.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018404.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5525] (mkinitrd) Fix prefix checking in foreign partition check (mga#6966)
+</A><A NAME="18404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018405.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5526] (mkinitrd) More logging on why initrd generation is skipped
+</A><A NAME="18405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018406.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5525] (mkinitrd) Fix prefix checking in foreign partition check (mga#6966)
+</A><A NAME="18406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018413.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018414.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018416.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018429.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018431.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018436.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018443.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018450.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018451.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018455.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5663] debugging...
+</A><A NAME="18455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018456.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5622] Code reorg.
+</A><A NAME="18456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018457.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5660] new get_refined_packages_list(); fix get_submitted_packages()
+</A><A NAME="18457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018460.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release flrig-1.3.08-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018479.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018485.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5686] For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi. cfg file while creating
+</A><A NAME="18485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018499.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5686] For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi. cfg file while creating
+</A><A NAME="18499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018505.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018508.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018511.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018512.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018521.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018535.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron tainted/updates_testing util-linux-2.22-4.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="18535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018541.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/updates_testing x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.1-4.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018549.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="18549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018557.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018563.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018566.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018589.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018592.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libreoffice-3.6.1.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018593.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libreoffice-3.6.1.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018598.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018602.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release selinux-policy-3.11.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018607.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018611.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release antlr-maven-plugin-2.2-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018633.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libreoffice-3.6.1.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018634.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018641.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018653.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018680.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5837] mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</A><A NAME="18680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018687.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5837] mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</A><A NAME="18687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018694.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018697.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018727.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5909] recognize gst1.0.prov
+</A><A NAME="18727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018736.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release drakx-installer-images-1.83-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018747.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilds needed ?
+</A><A NAME="18747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018804.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shotwell-0.13.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018815.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5959] Mount /dev/shm as tmpfs
+</A><A NAME="18815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018818.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone else seeing Qt4+QtScript segv's (e.g. in kate + __memcpy_ssse3)
+</A><A NAME="18818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018873.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018911.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018914.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018922.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018938.html">[Mageia-dev] ncurses ABI breakage (Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iftop-0.17-9.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="18938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018939.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018940.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release fatpack-0.9.11-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018941.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-App-Module-Locate-0.500.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018957.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmrc [5221] build with -fPIC on x86_64 too (pok, mdv)
+</A><A NAME="18957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019022.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019031.html">[Mageia-dev] build problem
+</A><A NAME="19031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018434.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging request: GStreamer 1.0 / 0.11.93
+</A><A NAME="18434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018463.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018474.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018486.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018488.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018516.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange message in Firefox
+</A><A NAME="18516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018558.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018608.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mcstrans-0.3.3-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018643.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018668.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release accountsservice-0.6.24-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018684.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018704.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018823.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018890.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018932.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+</A><A NAME="18932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018999.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing pango-1.32.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019038.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019049.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018600.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release selinux-policy-3.11.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018947.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018949.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018950.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019009.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019012.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018526.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018527.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018528.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018692.html">[Mageia-dev] obsolete(s) on SVN?
+</A><A NAME="18692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018702.html">[Mageia-dev] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018720.html">[Mageia-dev] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018728.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018732.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018515.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - help needed!
+</A><A NAME="18515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018594.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018630.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018929.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018933.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - help needed!
+</A><A NAME="18933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018417.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018430.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018442.html">[Mageia-dev] BS stalled at gstreamer1.0?
+</A><A NAME="18442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018468.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-0.11.93-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018473.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018496.html">[Mageia-dev] BS stalled for i586 arch.
+</A><A NAME="18496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018504.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018544.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="18544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018585.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018586.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018646.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="18646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018713.html">[Mageia-dev] setools
+</A><A NAME="18713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018729.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5909] recognize gst1.0.prov
+</A><A NAME="18729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019008.html">[Mageia-dev] Pidgin is broken on Mageia Cauldron + A Fix
+</A><A NAME="19008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019042.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018439.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron display broken
+</A><A NAME="18439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018620.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron display broken
+</A><A NAME="18620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018786.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018787.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018793.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018795.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018803.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018808.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018809.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018810.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018822.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018824.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018852.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018853.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018862.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018874.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018893.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018920.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018924.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018945.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018955.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018956.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018958.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018974.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018975.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018976.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018981.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018982.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018986.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018987.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018988.html">[Mageia-dev] Possible X/RandR problem in M3
+</A><A NAME="18988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018990.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018993.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018872.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018898.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018900.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018612.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018865.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018889.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018923.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018452.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018458.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5663] debugging...
+</A><A NAME="18458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018472.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018780.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018556.html">[Mageia-dev] pthread segfaults?
+</A><A NAME="18556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018735.html">[Mageia-dev] umask=0 in cdrom fstab options?
+</A><A NAME="18735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018863.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018410.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019043.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018700.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rihoward1 at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018714.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rihoward1 at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018444.html">[Mageia-dev] BS stalled at gstreamer1.0?
+</A><A NAME="18444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018506.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018507.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018509.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018625.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018730.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018771.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018905.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018915.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6052] update Authors
+</A><A NAME="18915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018946.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019058.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019060.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018418.html">[Mageia-dev] a wifi regression
+</A><A NAME="18418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018547.html">[Mageia-dev] Programm starters in LXDE panel
+</A><A NAME="18547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018869.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018877.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Sep 30 20:49:27 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 30 20:50:25 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
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+ <h1>September 2012 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Sep 1 05:02:39 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Sep 30 20:49:27 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 667<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018397.html">[Mageia-dev] Daemons and initscripts
+</A><A NAME="18397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018398.html">[Mageia-dev] Daemons and initscripts
+</A><A NAME="18398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018399.html">[Mageia-dev] Daemons and initscripts
+</A><A NAME="18399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018402.html">[Mageia-dev] Daemons and initscripts
+</A><A NAME="18402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018400.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018401.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018403.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018404.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5525] (mkinitrd) Fix prefix checking in foreign partition check (mga#6966)
+</A><A NAME="18404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018405.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5526] (mkinitrd) More logging on why initrd generation is skipped
+</A><A NAME="18405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018406.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5525] (mkinitrd) Fix prefix checking in foreign partition check (mga#6966)
+</A><A NAME="18406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018407.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5526] (mkinitrd) More logging on why initrd generation is skipped
+</A><A NAME="18407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018408.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5525] (mkinitrd) Fix prefix checking in foreign partition check (mga#6966)
+</A><A NAME="18408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018409.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018410.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018411.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018412.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018413.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018414.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018415.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018416.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018417.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018418.html">[Mageia-dev] a wifi regression
+</A><A NAME="18418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018419.html">[Mageia-dev] a wifi regression
+</A><A NAME="18419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018420.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha1
+</A><A NAME="18420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018421.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] searching for plasmoid developers to implement Newbie How-to feature
+</A><A NAME="18421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018422.html">[Mageia-dev] make -l ?
+</A><A NAME="18422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018423.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha1
+</A><A NAME="18423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018426.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha1
+</A><A NAME="18426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018424.html">[Mageia-dev] a wifi regression
+</A><A NAME="18424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018425.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] searching for plasmoid developers to implement Newbie How-to feature
+</A><A NAME="18425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018427.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha1
+</A><A NAME="18427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Xavier Bertaux
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018428.html">[Mageia-dev] make -l ?
+</A><A NAME="18428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018429.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018430.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018431.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018432.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018433.html">[Mageia-dev] make -l ?
+</A><A NAME="18433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018434.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging request: GStreamer 1.0 / 0.11.93
+</A><A NAME="18434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018435.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018436.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018437.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018438.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018439.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron display broken
+</A><A NAME="18439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018440.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to kde 4.9.1
+</A><A NAME="18440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018441.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to kde 4.9.1
+</A><A NAME="18441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018442.html">[Mageia-dev] BS stalled at gstreamer1.0?
+</A><A NAME="18442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018443.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018444.html">[Mageia-dev] BS stalled at gstreamer1.0?
+</A><A NAME="18444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018445.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [272801] drop old manpages in favour of the newer man-pages rpm (glibc)
+</A><A NAME="18445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018446.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [272801] drop old manpages in favour of the newer man-pages rpm (glibc)
+</A><A NAME="18446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018447.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018448.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018449.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018450.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018451.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018452.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018453.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018454.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018455.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5663] debugging...
+</A><A NAME="18455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018456.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5622] Code reorg.
+</A><A NAME="18456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018457.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5660] new get_refined_packages_list(); fix get_submitted_packages()
+</A><A NAME="18457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018458.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5663] debugging...
+</A><A NAME="18458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018459.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release clutter-1.11.14-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018460.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release flrig-1.3.08-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018462.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron display broken
+</A><A NAME="18462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018461.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron display broken
+</A><A NAME="18461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018463.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018464.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018465.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018466.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-0.11.93-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018467.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release clutter-1.11.14-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018468.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-0.11.93-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018469.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018470.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-0.11.93-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018471.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018472.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018473.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018474.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018477.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018475.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018476.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and NAMESPACE
+</A><A NAME="18476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018478.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018479.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018480.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018481.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018482.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018483.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and NAMESPACE
+</A><A NAME="18483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018484.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018485.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5686] For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi. cfg file while creating
+</A><A NAME="18485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018486.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018487.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018488.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018489.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018490.html">[Mageia-dev] meeting
+</A><A NAME="18490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018491.html">[Mageia-dev] meeting
+</A><A NAME="18491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018492.html">[Mageia-dev] meeting
+</A><A NAME="18492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018493.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 1 wiki page
+</A><A NAME="18493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018494.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018495.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018496.html">[Mageia-dev] BS stalled for i586 arch.
+</A><A NAME="18496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018497.html">[Mageia-dev] BS stalled for i586 arch.
+</A><A NAME="18497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018498.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018499.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5686] For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi. cfg file while creating
+</A><A NAME="18499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018500.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5686] For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi. cfg file while creating
+</A><A NAME="18500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018501.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/updates x11-server-1.13.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018502.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5686] For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi. cfg file while creating
+</A><A NAME="18502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018503.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018504.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018505.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018506.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018507.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018508.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018509.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018510.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange message in Firefox
+</A><A NAME="18510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018511.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018512.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018513.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release irqbalance-1.0.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018514.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qemu-1.2.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018515.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - help needed!
+</A><A NAME="18515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018516.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange message in Firefox
+</A><A NAME="18516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018517.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018518.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018519.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018520.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018521.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018522.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 - alpha 1 is available
+</A><A NAME="18522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018523.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018524.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018525.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018526.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018527.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018529.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018528.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018533.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 - alpha 1 is available
+</A><A NAME="18533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018530.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018531.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018532.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018534.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron tainted/updates_testing util-linux-2.22-4.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="18534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018535.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron tainted/updates_testing util-linux-2.22-4.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="18535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018536.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/updates_testing x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.1-4.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018537.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron tainted/updates_testing util-linux-2.22-4.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="18537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018538.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/updates_testing x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.1-4.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018539.html">[Mageia-dev] Programm starters in LXDE panel
+</A><A NAME="18539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018540.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018541.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/updates_testing x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.1-4.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018542.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/updates_testing x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.1-4.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018543.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018544.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="18544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018545.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018546.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018547.html">[Mageia-dev] Programm starters in LXDE panel
+</A><A NAME="18547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018548.html">[Mageia-dev] Programm starters in LXDE panel
+</A><A NAME="18548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018549.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="18549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018550.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018551.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018552.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018553.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018554.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018555.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018556.html">[Mageia-dev] pthread segfaults?
+</A><A NAME="18556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018557.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018558.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018560.html">[Mageia-dev] Previous discussion of the Adobe Flash plugin Fix, (Need link to download patch)
+</A><A NAME="18560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jacob Daniels
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018559.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018561.html">[Mageia-dev] Previous discussion of the Adobe Flash plugin Fix, (Need link to download patch)
+</A><A NAME="18561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018562.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018563.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018564.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki
+</A><A NAME="18564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018565.html">[Mageia-dev] Previous discussion of the Adobe Flash plugin Fix, (Need link to download patch)
+</A><A NAME="18565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018566.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018567.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018568.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018569.html">[Mageia-dev] pthread segfaults?
+</A><A NAME="18569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018570.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018571.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018572.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018573.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018574.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018575.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018576.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018577.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018578.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018579.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018580.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018581.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018582.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018583.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018584.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018585.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018586.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018587.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018588.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018597.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018589.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018590.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018591.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018592.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libreoffice-3.6.1.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018593.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libreoffice-3.6.1.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018594.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018595.html">[Mageia-dev] missing signature again
+</A><A NAME="18595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018596.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018598.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018599.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018600.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release selinux-policy-3.11.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018601.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release selinux-policy-3.11.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018602.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release selinux-policy-3.11.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018603.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018604.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018605.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release selinux-policy-3.11.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018606.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018607.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018608.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mcstrans-0.3.3-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018609.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018610.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018612.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018611.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release antlr-maven-plugin-2.2-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018613.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018614.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018615.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018616.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018617.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl location
+</A><A NAME="18617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018618.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl location
+</A><A NAME="18618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018619.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018620.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron display broken
+</A><A NAME="18620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018621.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018622.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018623.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018624.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018625.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018626.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018627.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018628.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018629.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018630.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018631.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018632.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018633.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libreoffice-3.6.1.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018634.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018635.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018636.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018637.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018638.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018639.html">[Mageia-dev] Are we going to have an IRC meeting today?
+</A><A NAME="18639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018640.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="18640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018641.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018642.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018643.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018644.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018645.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018646.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="18646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018647.html">[Mageia-dev] /sbin/poweroff &amp; kdm
+</A><A NAME="18647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018648.html">[Mageia-dev] /sbin/poweroff &amp; kdm
+</A><A NAME="18648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018649.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018650.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018651.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018652.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018653.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018654.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phoenix Guo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018655.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 7049] Update candidate for phonon-gstreamer
+</A><A NAME="18655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018656.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018657.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018658.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018659.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018660.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018661.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018662.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018663.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018664.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018665.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018666.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018667.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018668.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release accountsservice-0.6.24-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018669.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018670.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018671.html">[Mageia-dev] /sbin/poweroff &amp; kdm
+</A><A NAME="18671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018672.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018673.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018674.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018675.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phoenix Guo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018676.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018677.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5837] mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</A><A NAME="18677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018678.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018679.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018680.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5837] mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</A><A NAME="18680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018681.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018682.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5837] mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</A><A NAME="18682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018683.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018684.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018685.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-25.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018686.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018687.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5837] mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</A><A NAME="18687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018688.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018689.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018690.html">[Mageia-dev] obsolete(s) on SVN?
+</A><A NAME="18690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018691.html">[Mageia-dev] obsolete(s) on SVN?
+</A><A NAME="18691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018692.html">[Mageia-dev] obsolete(s) on SVN?
+</A><A NAME="18692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018693.html">[Mageia-dev] obsolete(s) on SVN?
+</A><A NAME="18693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018694.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018695.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018696.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018697.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018698.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018699.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018700.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rihoward1 at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018701.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018702.html">[Mageia-dev] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018703.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018704.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018705.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018706.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018707.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018708.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018709.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018710.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018711.html">[Mageia-dev] setools
+</A><A NAME="18711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018712.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018713.html">[Mageia-dev] setools
+</A><A NAME="18713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018714.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rihoward1 at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018715.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018716.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018717.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018718.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018719.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018720.html">[Mageia-dev] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018721.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018722.html">[Mageia-dev] shutdown stalls
+</A><A NAME="18722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018723.html">[Mageia-dev] shutdown stalls
+</A><A NAME="18723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018724.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018725.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018726.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018727.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5909] recognize gst1.0.prov
+</A><A NAME="18727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018728.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018729.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5909] recognize gst1.0.prov
+</A><A NAME="18729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018730.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018731.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018732.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018733.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018734.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release drakx-installer-images-1.83-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018735.html">[Mageia-dev] umask=0 in cdrom fstab options?
+</A><A NAME="18735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018736.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release drakx-installer-images-1.83-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018737.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018738.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilds needed ?
+</A><A NAME="18738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018739.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilds needed ?
+</A><A NAME="18739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018740.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilds needed ?
+</A><A NAME="18740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018741.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018742.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018743.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="18743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018745.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018744.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018746.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018747.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilds needed ?
+</A><A NAME="18747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018748.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018761.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018749.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libxslt-1.1.27-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018750.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018751.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018752.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018753.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018762.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018755.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018754.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018756.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018757.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oden Eriksson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018758.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo perl6
+</A><A NAME="18758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018759.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo perl6
+</A><A NAME="18759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018760.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018763.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oden Eriksson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018764.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018765.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo perl6
+</A><A NAME="18765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018766.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018767.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo perl6
+</A><A NAME="18767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018768.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018769.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018770.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018771.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018772.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018773.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018774.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018775.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018776.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018777.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018778.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018779.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018780.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018781.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire REVILLET
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018782.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018783.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018784.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018785.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018786.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018787.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018788.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018789.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018790.html">[Mageia-dev] msec import
+</A><A NAME="18790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018791.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018792.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018793.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018794.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018795.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018796.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018797.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018798.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Digigold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018799.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018801.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018800.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018802.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018803.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018804.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shotwell-0.13.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018805.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018806.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018807.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018808.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018809.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018810.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018811.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018812.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018813.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Digigold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018814.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018815.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5959] Mount /dev/shm as tmpfs
+</A><A NAME="18815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018819.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018816.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone else seeing Qt4+QtScript segv's (e.g. in kate + __memcpy_ssse3)
+</A><A NAME="18816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018817.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5959] Mount /dev/shm as tmpfs
+</A><A NAME="18817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018818.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone else seeing Qt4+QtScript segv's (e.g. in kate + __memcpy_ssse3)
+</A><A NAME="18818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018820.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone else seeing Qt4+QtScript segv's (e.g. in kate + __memcpy_ssse3)
+</A><A NAME="18820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018821.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018823.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018822.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018824.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018825.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018826.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018827.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018828.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018829.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018830.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018831.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libusbx-1.0.13-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018832.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018833.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018834.html">[Mageia-dev] Re-enable the documentation in kchildlock
+</A><A NAME="18834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018835.html">[Mageia-dev] drakdisk numerous warnings
+</A><A NAME="18835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018836.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018837.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018838.html">[Mageia-dev] lib64usb1.0_0-1.0.13-1.mga3 conflict
+</A><A NAME="18838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018839.html">[Mageia-dev] lib64usb1.0_0-1.0.13-1.mga3 conflict
+</A><A NAME="18839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018840.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018841.html">[Mageia-dev] drakdisk numerous warnings
+</A><A NAME="18841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018842.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018843.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018844.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018845.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018846.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018847.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018848.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018849.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with i915 DRI
+</A><A NAME="18849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018850.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018851.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018852.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018853.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018854.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018855.html">[Mageia-dev] drakdisk numerous warnings
+</A><A NAME="18855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018856.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018857.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018858.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018859.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with i915 DRI
+</A><A NAME="18859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018860.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018861.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018862.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018863.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018864.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018865.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018866.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018867.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018868.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018869.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018870.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018871.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018872.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018873.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018874.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018875.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018876.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018877.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018878.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018879.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018880.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018881.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018882.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018883.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018884.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018885.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018886.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitri
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018887.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018888.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018889.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018890.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018891.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018892.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018893.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018894.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018895.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018897.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018896.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018898.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018899.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018900.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018901.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018902.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018903.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018904.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018905.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018906.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018907.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018908.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018909.html">[Mageia-dev] halectomy and policykitectomy (Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="18909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018910.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018911.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018912.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018913.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018914.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018915.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6052] update Authors
+</A><A NAME="18915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018916.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6052] update Authors
+</A><A NAME="18916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018917.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederik Himpe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018918.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018919.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018920.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018921.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018922.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018923.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018924.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018925.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018926.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mihphoto-1.0.8-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018927.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018928.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018929.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018930.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018931.html">[Mageia-dev] ncurses ABI breakage (Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iftop-0.17-9.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="18931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018932.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+</A><A NAME="18932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018933.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - help needed!
+</A><A NAME="18933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018934.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018935.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018936.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018937.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018938.html">[Mageia-dev] ncurses ABI breakage (Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iftop-0.17-9.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="18938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018939.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018940.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release fatpack-0.9.11-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018941.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-App-Module-Locate-0.500.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018942.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+</A><A NAME="18942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018943.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018944.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018945.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018946.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018947.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018948.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018949.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018950.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018951.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release drakx-installer-images-1.83-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018952.html">[Mageia-dev] ncurses ABI breakage (Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iftop-0.17-9.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="18952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018953.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [293158] disable 'fortify' to prevent crashes (mga#6723)
+</A><A NAME="18953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018954.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmrc [5221] build with -fPIC on x86_64 too (pok, mdv)
+</A><A NAME="18954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018955.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018956.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018957.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmrc [5221] build with -fPIC on x86_64 too (pok, mdv)
+</A><A NAME="18957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018958.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018959.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="18959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018960.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018961.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018962.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018963.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018964.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018965.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018966.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018967.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018968.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="18968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018969.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018970.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018971.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="18971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018972.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018973.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018974.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018975.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018976.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018977.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018978.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018979.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018980.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018981.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018982.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018983.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018984.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018985.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018986.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018987.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018988.html">[Mageia-dev] Possible X/RandR problem in M3
+</A><A NAME="18988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018989.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018990.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018991.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018992.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018993.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018994.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and non-systemd services question
+</A><A NAME="18994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018995.html">[Mageia-dev] Pidgin is broken on Mageia Cauldron + A Fix
+</A><A NAME="18995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018996.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="18996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018997.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018998.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and non-systemd services question
+</A><A NAME="18998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018999.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing pango-1.32.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019000.html">[Mageia-dev] More systemd strangeness
+</A><A NAME="19000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019001.html">[Mageia-dev] More systemd strangeness
+</A><A NAME="19001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019002.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and non-systemd services question
+</A><A NAME="19002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019003.html">[Mageia-dev] More systemd strangeness
+</A><A NAME="19003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019004.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="19004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019005.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="19005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019006.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and non-systemd services question
+</A><A NAME="19006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019007.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release cairo-dock-3.0.2-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019008.html">[Mageia-dev] Pidgin is broken on Mageia Cauldron + A Fix
+</A><A NAME="19008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019009.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019010.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone else seeing Qt4+QtScript segv's (e.g. in kate + __memcpy_ssse3)
+</A><A NAME="19010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019011.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019012.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019013.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019014.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release draklive-2.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019015.html">[Mageia-dev] gt3-devel and GConf2-devel question
+</A><A NAME="19015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019016.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: gt3-devel and GConf2-devel question
+</A><A NAME="19016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019017.html">[Mageia-dev] gt3-devel and GConf2-devel question
+</A><A NAME="19017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019018.html">[Mageia-dev] build problem
+</A><A NAME="19018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019019.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="19019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019021.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="19021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019020.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="19020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019022.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019023.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="19023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019024.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019025.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="19025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019026.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019027.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019028.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019029.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019030.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019031.html">[Mageia-dev] build problem
+</A><A NAME="19031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019032.html">[Mageia-dev] build problem
+</A><A NAME="19032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019033.html">[Mageia-dev] build problem
+</A><A NAME="19033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019034.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019035.html">[Mageia-dev] PHP maintenance
+</A><A NAME="19035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019036.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019037.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019038.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019039.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019040.html">[Mageia-dev] PHP maintenance
+</A><A NAME="19040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019041.html">[Mageia-dev] PHP maintenance
+</A><A NAME="19041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019042.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019043.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019044.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019045.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019046.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019047.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019048.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019049.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019050.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019051.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019052.html">[Mageia-dev] need some more help to build rpms from linuxsampler project
+</A><A NAME="19052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019053.html">[Mageia-dev] irqbalance (was: Re: Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update)
+</A><A NAME="19053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019054.html">[Mageia-dev] irqbalance
+</A><A NAME="19054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019055.html">[Mageia-dev] need some more help to build rpms from linuxsampler project
+</A><A NAME="19055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019056.html">[Mageia-dev] irqbalance
+</A><A NAME="19056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019057.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019058.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019059.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019060.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019061.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019062.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019063.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Sep 30 20:49:27 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 30 20:50:25 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
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+ </ul>
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+ <h1>September 2012 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Sep 1 05:02:39 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Sep 30 20:49:27 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 667<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018622.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018623.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018624.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018625.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018626.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018627.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018628.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018629.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018674.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018676.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018647.html">[Mageia-dev] /sbin/poweroff &amp; kdm
+</A><A NAME="18647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018648.html">[Mageia-dev] /sbin/poweroff &amp; kdm
+</A><A NAME="18648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018671.html">[Mageia-dev] /sbin/poweroff &amp; kdm
+</A><A NAME="18671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018591.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018621.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018630.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018631.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018632.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018634.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018635.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018636.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018637.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018655.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 7049] Update candidate for phonon-gstreamer
+</A><A NAME="18655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018917.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederik Himpe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018930.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018611.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release antlr-maven-plugin-2.2-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019007.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release cairo-dock-3.0.2-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018459.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release clutter-1.11.14-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018467.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release clutter-1.11.14-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019014.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release draklive-2.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018940.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release fatpack-0.9.11-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018460.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release flrig-1.3.08-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018466.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-0.11.93-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018468.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-0.11.93-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018470.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-0.11.93-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018513.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release irqbalance-1.0.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018566.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018567.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018574.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018575.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018576.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018592.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libreoffice-3.6.1.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018593.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libreoffice-3.6.1.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018633.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libreoffice-3.6.1.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018831.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libusbx-1.0.13-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018749.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libxslt-1.1.27-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018608.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mcstrans-0.3.3-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018694.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018695.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018696.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018697.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018429.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018430.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018431.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018432.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018451.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018926.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mihphoto-1.0.8-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019009.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019012.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019013.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018941.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-App-Module-Locate-0.500.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018514.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qemu-1.2.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019022.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019024.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019026.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019027.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019036.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018600.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release selinux-policy-3.11.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018601.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release selinux-policy-3.11.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018602.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release selinux-policy-3.11.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018605.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release selinux-policy-3.11.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018804.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shotwell-0.13.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018685.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-25.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018906.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018907.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018910.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018912.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018928.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018477.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018481.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018482.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018531.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018668.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release accountsservice-0.6.24-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019011.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018486.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018520.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018521.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018999.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing pango-1.32.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018734.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release drakx-installer-images-1.83-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018736.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release drakx-installer-images-1.83-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018951.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release drakx-installer-images-1.83-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018536.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/updates_testing x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.1-4.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018541.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/updates_testing x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.1-4.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018538.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/updates_testing x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.1-4.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018542.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/updates_testing x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.1-4.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018447.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018448.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018449.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018501.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/updates x11-server-1.13.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018534.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron tainted/updates_testing util-linux-2.22-4.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="18534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018535.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron tainted/updates_testing util-linux-2.22-4.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="18535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018537.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron tainted/updates_testing util-linux-2.22-4.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="18537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018728.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018730.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018732.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018425.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] searching for plasmoid developers to implement Newbie How-to feature
+</A><A NAME="18425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018421.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] searching for plasmoid developers to implement Newbie How-to feature
+</A><A NAME="18421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018445.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [272801] drop old manpages in favour of the newer man-pages rpm (glibc)
+</A><A NAME="18445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018446.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [272801] drop old manpages in favour of the newer man-pages rpm (glibc)
+</A><A NAME="18446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018400.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018401.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018403.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018409.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018410.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018411.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018412.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018557.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018558.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018573.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018589.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018590.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018596.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018610.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018613.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018614.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018615.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018619.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018641.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018643.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018652.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018653.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018404.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5525] (mkinitrd) Fix prefix checking in foreign partition check (mga#6966)
+</A><A NAME="18404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018406.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5525] (mkinitrd) Fix prefix checking in foreign partition check (mga#6966)
+</A><A NAME="18406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018408.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5525] (mkinitrd) Fix prefix checking in foreign partition check (mga#6966)
+</A><A NAME="18408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018405.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5526] (mkinitrd) More logging on why initrd generation is skipped
+</A><A NAME="18405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018407.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5526] (mkinitrd) More logging on why initrd generation is skipped
+</A><A NAME="18407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018456.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5622] Code reorg.
+</A><A NAME="18456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018450.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018452.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018453.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018454.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018469.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018472.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018475.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018457.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5660] new get_refined_packages_list(); fix get_submitted_packages()
+</A><A NAME="18457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018455.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5663] debugging...
+</A><A NAME="18455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018458.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5663] debugging...
+</A><A NAME="18458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018502.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5686] For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi. cfg file while creating
+</A><A NAME="18502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018485.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5686] For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi. cfg file while creating
+</A><A NAME="18485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018499.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5686] For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi. cfg file while creating
+</A><A NAME="18499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018500.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5686] For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi. cfg file while creating
+</A><A NAME="18500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018677.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5837] mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</A><A NAME="18677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018680.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5837] mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</A><A NAME="18680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018682.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5837] mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</A><A NAME="18682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018687.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5837] mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</A><A NAME="18687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018727.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5909] recognize gst1.0.prov
+</A><A NAME="18727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018729.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5909] recognize gst1.0.prov
+</A><A NAME="18729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018815.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5959] Mount /dev/shm as tmpfs
+</A><A NAME="18815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018817.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5959] Mount /dev/shm as tmpfs
+</A><A NAME="18817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018915.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6052] update Authors
+</A><A NAME="18915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018916.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6052] update Authors
+</A><A NAME="18916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018418.html">[Mageia-dev] a wifi regression
+</A><A NAME="18418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018419.html">[Mageia-dev] a wifi regression
+</A><A NAME="18419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018424.html">[Mageia-dev] a wifi regression
+</A><A NAME="18424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018493.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 1 wiki page
+</A><A NAME="18493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018959.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="18959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018968.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="18968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018971.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="18971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019029.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019034.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019049.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019050.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019051.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018598.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018603.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018911.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018913.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018914.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018919.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018922.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018786.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018788.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018793.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018796.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018803.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018807.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018808.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018811.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018814.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018822.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018873.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018824.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018830.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018836.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018837.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018852.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018853.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018861.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018862.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018874.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018816.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone else seeing Qt4+QtScript segv's (e.g. in kate + __memcpy_ssse3)
+</A><A NAME="18816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018818.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone else seeing Qt4+QtScript segv's (e.g. in kate + __memcpy_ssse3)
+</A><A NAME="18818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018820.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone else seeing Qt4+QtScript segv's (e.g. in kate + __memcpy_ssse3)
+</A><A NAME="18820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019010.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone else seeing Qt4+QtScript segv's (e.g. in kate + __memcpy_ssse3)
+</A><A NAME="19010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018524.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018526.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018527.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018529.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018528.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018530.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018532.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018540.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018550.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018570.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018571.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018594.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018604.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018639.html">[Mageia-dev] Are we going to have an IRC meeting today?
+</A><A NAME="18639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018757.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oden Eriksson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018760.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018763.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oden Eriksson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018764.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018791.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018442.html">[Mageia-dev] BS stalled at gstreamer1.0?
+</A><A NAME="18442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018444.html">[Mageia-dev] BS stalled at gstreamer1.0?
+</A><A NAME="18444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018496.html">[Mageia-dev] BS stalled for i586 arch.
+</A><A NAME="18496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018497.html">[Mageia-dev] BS stalled for i586 arch.
+</A><A NAME="18497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019018.html">[Mageia-dev] build problem
+</A><A NAME="19018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019031.html">[Mageia-dev] build problem
+</A><A NAME="19031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019032.html">[Mageia-dev] build problem
+</A><A NAME="19032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019033.html">[Mageia-dev] build problem
+</A><A NAME="19033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018996.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="18996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019004.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="19004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019005.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="19005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019023.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="19023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019025.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="19025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018439.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron display broken
+</A><A NAME="18439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018462.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron display broken
+</A><A NAME="18462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018461.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron display broken
+</A><A NAME="18461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018620.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron display broken
+</A><A NAME="18620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018397.html">[Mageia-dev] Daemons and initscripts
+</A><A NAME="18397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018398.html">[Mageia-dev] Daemons and initscripts
+</A><A NAME="18398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018399.html">[Mageia-dev] Daemons and initscripts
+</A><A NAME="18399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018402.html">[Mageia-dev] Daemons and initscripts
+</A><A NAME="18402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018478.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018479.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018480.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018484.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018487.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018488.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018489.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018494.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018495.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018498.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018835.html">[Mageia-dev] drakdisk numerous warnings
+</A><A NAME="18835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018841.html">[Mageia-dev] drakdisk numerous warnings
+</A><A NAME="18841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018855.html">[Mageia-dev] drakdisk numerous warnings
+</A><A NAME="18855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018436.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018443.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018435.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018437.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018438.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018819.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018932.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+</A><A NAME="18932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018942.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+</A><A NAME="18942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019016.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: gt3-devel and GConf2-devel question
+</A><A NAME="19016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018945.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018947.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018956.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018969.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018974.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018975.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018978.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018981.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018982.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018985.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018986.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018987.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018989.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018990.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018991.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018992.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018993.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018997.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018948.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018950.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018958.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018934.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018935.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018939.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018943.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018944.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019015.html">[Mageia-dev] gt3-devel and GConf2-devel question
+</A><A NAME="19015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019017.html">[Mageia-dev] gt3-devel and GConf2-devel question
+</A><A NAME="19017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018909.html">[Mageia-dev] halectomy and policykitectomy (Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="18909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018568.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018577.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018587.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018588.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018597.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018700.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rihoward1 at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018701.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018709.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018714.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rihoward1 at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018725.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018726.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018731.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018737.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018656.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018657.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018675.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phoenix Guo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018654.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phoenix Guo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018658.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018463.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018464.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018465.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018471.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018473.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018474.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018769.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018771.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018772.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018773.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018774.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018775.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018776.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018777.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018778.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018779.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018702.html">[Mageia-dev] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018720.html">[Mageia-dev] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019054.html">[Mageia-dev] irqbalance
+</A><A NAME="19054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019056.html">[Mageia-dev] irqbalance
+</A><A NAME="19056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019053.html">[Mageia-dev] irqbalance (was: Re: Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update)
+</A><A NAME="19053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018413.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018414.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018415.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018416.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018417.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018551.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018552.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018553.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018554.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018555.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018559.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018838.html">[Mageia-dev] lib64usb1.0_0-1.0.13-1.mga3 conflict
+</A><A NAME="18838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018839.html">[Mageia-dev] lib64usb1.0_0-1.0.13-1.mga3 conflict
+</A><A NAME="18839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018617.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl location
+</A><A NAME="18617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018618.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl location
+</A><A NAME="18618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018707.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018712.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018805.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018806.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018705.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018706.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018708.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018710.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018716.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018717.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018719.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018733.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018893.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018920.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018921.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018924.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018925.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018949.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018955.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018972.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018973.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018976.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018522.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 - alpha 1 is available
+</A><A NAME="18522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018533.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 - alpha 1 is available
+</A><A NAME="18533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018420.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha1
+</A><A NAME="18420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018423.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha1
+</A><A NAME="18423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018426.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha1
+</A><A NAME="18426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018427.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha1
+</A><A NAME="18427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Xavier Bertaux
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018750.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018751.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018752.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018753.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018762.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018755.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018754.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018756.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018766.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018768.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018770.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018780.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018781.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire REVILLET
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018782.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018783.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018784.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018785.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018787.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018789.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018792.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018794.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018795.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018797.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018798.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Digigold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018799.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018801.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018800.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018802.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018809.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018810.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018812.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018813.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Digigold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018821.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018823.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018872.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018875.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018877.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018878.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018884.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018894.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018898.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018899.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018900.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018918.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018422.html">[Mageia-dev] make -l ?
+</A><A NAME="18422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018428.html">[Mageia-dev] make -l ?
+</A><A NAME="18428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018433.html">[Mageia-dev] make -l ?
+</A><A NAME="18433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018564.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki
+</A><A NAME="18564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018490.html">[Mageia-dev] meeting
+</A><A NAME="18490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018491.html">[Mageia-dev] meeting
+</A><A NAME="18491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018492.html">[Mageia-dev] meeting
+</A><A NAME="18492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018595.html">[Mageia-dev] missing signature again
+</A><A NAME="18595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019000.html">[Mageia-dev] More systemd strangeness
+</A><A NAME="19000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019001.html">[Mageia-dev] More systemd strangeness
+</A><A NAME="19001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019003.html">[Mageia-dev] More systemd strangeness
+</A><A NAME="19003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018790.html">[Mageia-dev] msec import
+</A><A NAME="18790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018938.html">[Mageia-dev] ncurses ABI breakage (Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iftop-0.17-9.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="18938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018952.html">[Mageia-dev] ncurses ABI breakage (Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iftop-0.17-9.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="18952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018931.html">[Mageia-dev] ncurses ABI breakage (Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iftop-0.17-9.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="18931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018825.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018826.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018827.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018828.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018829.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018832.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018833.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018840.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018842.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018843.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018844.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018845.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018848.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018850.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018851.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018854.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018858.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018860.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018864.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018866.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018867.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018868.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018869.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018881.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018882.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018883.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018885.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018892.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018936.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019052.html">[Mageia-dev] need some more help to build rpms from linuxsampler project
+</A><A NAME="19052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019055.html">[Mageia-dev] need some more help to build rpms from linuxsampler project
+</A><A NAME="19055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018517.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018518.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018519.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018523.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018525.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018863.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018865.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018871.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018876.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018880.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018886.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitri
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018887.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018888.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018889.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018891.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018897.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018896.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018923.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018929.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018970.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019019.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="19019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019021.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="19021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019020.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="19020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018690.html">[Mageia-dev] obsolete(s) on SVN?
+</A><A NAME="18690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018691.html">[Mageia-dev] obsolete(s) on SVN?
+</A><A NAME="18691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018692.html">[Mageia-dev] obsolete(s) on SVN?
+</A><A NAME="18692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018693.html">[Mageia-dev] obsolete(s) on SVN?
+</A><A NAME="18693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018902.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018903.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018904.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018905.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018908.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018927.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018434.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging request: GStreamer 1.0 / 0.11.93
+</A><A NAME="18434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018578.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018579.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018580.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018585.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018586.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018606.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019035.html">[Mageia-dev] PHP maintenance
+</A><A NAME="19035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019040.html">[Mageia-dev] PHP maintenance
+</A><A NAME="19040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019041.html">[Mageia-dev] PHP maintenance
+</A><A NAME="19041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018995.html">[Mageia-dev] Pidgin is broken on Mageia Cauldron + A Fix
+</A><A NAME="18995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019008.html">[Mageia-dev] Pidgin is broken on Mageia Cauldron + A Fix
+</A><A NAME="19008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018988.html">[Mageia-dev] Possible X/RandR problem in M3
+</A><A NAME="18988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018560.html">[Mageia-dev] Previous discussion of the Adobe Flash plugin Fix, (Need link to download patch)
+</A><A NAME="18560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jacob Daniels
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018561.html">[Mageia-dev] Previous discussion of the Adobe Flash plugin Fix, (Need link to download patch)
+</A><A NAME="18561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018565.html">[Mageia-dev] Previous discussion of the Adobe Flash plugin Fix, (Need link to download patch)
+</A><A NAME="18565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018870.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018879.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018890.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018895.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018901.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018849.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with i915 DRI
+</A><A NAME="18849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018859.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with i915 DRI
+</A><A NAME="18859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018539.html">[Mageia-dev] Programm starters in LXDE panel
+</A><A NAME="18539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018547.html">[Mageia-dev] Programm starters in LXDE panel
+</A><A NAME="18547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018548.html">[Mageia-dev] Programm starters in LXDE panel
+</A><A NAME="18548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018556.html">[Mageia-dev] pthread segfaults?
+</A><A NAME="18556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018569.html">[Mageia-dev] pthread segfaults?
+</A><A NAME="18569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018758.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo perl6
+</A><A NAME="18758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018759.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo perl6
+</A><A NAME="18759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018765.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo perl6
+</A><A NAME="18765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018767.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo perl6
+</A><A NAME="18767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018834.html">[Mageia-dev] Re-enable the documentation in kchildlock
+</A><A NAME="18834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018703.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018715.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018718.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018721.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018724.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018738.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilds needed ?
+</A><A NAME="18738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018739.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilds needed ?
+</A><A NAME="18739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018740.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilds needed ?
+</A><A NAME="18740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018747.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilds needed ?
+</A><A NAME="18747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018937.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018946.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018960.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018961.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018962.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018963.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018964.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018965.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018966.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018967.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018977.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018979.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018980.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018983.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018984.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018954.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmrc [5221] build with -fPIC on x86_64 too (pok, mdv)
+</A><A NAME="18954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018957.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmrc [5221] build with -fPIC on x86_64 too (pok, mdv)
+</A><A NAME="18957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018544.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="18544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018549.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="18549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018646.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="18646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018743.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="18743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018515.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - help needed!
+</A><A NAME="18515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018933.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - help needed!
+</A><A NAME="18933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018711.html">[Mageia-dev] setools
+</A><A NAME="18711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018713.html">[Mageia-dev] setools
+</A><A NAME="18713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018722.html">[Mageia-dev] shutdown stalls
+</A><A NAME="18722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018723.html">[Mageia-dev] shutdown stalls
+</A><A NAME="18723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018503.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018504.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018505.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018506.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018507.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018508.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018509.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018511.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018512.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018599.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018607.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018510.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange message in Firefox
+</A><A NAME="18510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018516.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange message in Firefox
+</A><A NAME="18516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018476.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and NAMESPACE
+</A><A NAME="18476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018483.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and NAMESPACE
+</A><A NAME="18483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018994.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and non-systemd services question
+</A><A NAME="18994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018998.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and non-systemd services question
+</A><A NAME="18998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019002.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and non-systemd services question
+</A><A NAME="19002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019006.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and non-systemd services question
+</A><A NAME="19006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019028.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019030.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019037.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019038.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019039.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019042.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019043.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019044.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019045.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019046.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019047.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019048.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019057.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019058.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019059.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019060.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019061.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019062.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019063.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018640.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="18640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018735.html">[Mageia-dev] umask=0 in cdrom fstab options?
+</A><A NAME="18735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018638.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018642.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018644.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018645.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018649.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018650.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018651.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018659.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018660.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018661.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018662.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018663.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018664.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018665.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018666.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018667.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018669.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018670.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018672.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018673.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018678.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018679.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018681.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018683.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018684.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018686.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018688.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018689.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018704.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018543.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018545.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018546.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018562.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018563.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018572.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018581.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018582.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018583.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018584.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018609.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018612.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018616.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018698.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018699.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018748.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018440.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to kde 4.9.1
+</A><A NAME="18440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018441.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to kde 4.9.1
+</A><A NAME="18441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018741.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018742.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018745.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018744.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018746.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018761.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018846.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018847.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018856.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018857.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="018953.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [293158] disable 'fortify' to prevent crashes (mga#6723)
+</A><A NAME="18953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Sep 30 20:49:27 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 30 20:50:25 CEST 2012</i>
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+ <h1>September 2012 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Sep 1 05:02:39 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Sep 30 20:49:27 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 667<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01346468559- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018397.html">[Mageia-dev] Daemons and initscripts
+</A><A NAME="18397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346468559-01346481627- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018398.html">[Mageia-dev] Daemons and initscripts
+</A><A NAME="18398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346468559-01346481627-01346497494- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018399.html">[Mageia-dev] Daemons and initscripts
+</A><A NAME="18399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01346468559-01346481627-01346497494-01346498949- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018402.html">[Mageia-dev] Daemons and initscripts
+</A><A NAME="18402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346502992- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018400.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346502992-01346505157- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018401.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346502992-01346505157-01346510915- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018403.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01346502992-01346505157-01346510915-01346527145- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018409.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01346502992-01346537634- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018410.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346502992-01346537634-01346543169- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018411.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01346502992-01346537634-01346543169-01346571984- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018412.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] kdelibs4-devel and cmake macros
+</A><A NAME="18412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346512523- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018404.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5525] (mkinitrd) Fix prefix checking in foreign partition check (mga#6966)
+</A><A NAME="18404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346512523-01346512834- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018406.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5525] (mkinitrd) Fix prefix checking in foreign partition check (mga#6966)
+</A><A NAME="18406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346512523-01346512834-01346513069- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018408.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5525] (mkinitrd) Fix prefix checking in foreign partition check (mga#6966)
+</A><A NAME="18408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346512560- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018405.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5526] (mkinitrd) More logging on why initrd generation is skipped
+</A><A NAME="18405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346512560-01346512928- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018407.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5526] (mkinitrd) More logging on why initrd generation is skipped
+</A><A NAME="18407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346580653- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018413.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346580653-01346581009- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018414.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346580653-01346581009-01346582530- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018415.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01346580653-01346581009-01346582530-01346583119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018416.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346580653-01346581009-01346582530-01346584019- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018417.html">[Mageia-dev] is BS stuck?
+</A><A NAME="18417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346593399- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018418.html">[Mageia-dev] a wifi regression
+</A><A NAME="18418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346593399-01346594265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018419.html">[Mageia-dev] a wifi regression
+</A><A NAME="18419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346593399-01346594265-01346616724- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018424.html">[Mageia-dev] a wifi regression
+</A><A NAME="18424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346595959- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018420.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha1
+</A><A NAME="18420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346595959-01346605709- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018423.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha1
+</A><A NAME="18423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01346595959-01346615636- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018426.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha1
+</A><A NAME="18426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346595959-01346615636-01346618292- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018427.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha1
+</A><A NAME="18427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Xavier Bertaux
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346599604- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018421.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] searching for plasmoid developers to implement Newbie How-to feature
+</A><A NAME="18421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346599604-01346616844- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018425.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] searching for plasmoid developers to implement Newbie How-to feature
+</A><A NAME="18425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346602490- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018422.html">[Mageia-dev] make -l ?
+</A><A NAME="18422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346602490-01346627921- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018428.html">[Mageia-dev] make -l ?
+</A><A NAME="18428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346602490-01346627921-01346661802- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018433.html">[Mageia-dev] make -l ?
+</A><A NAME="18433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346647664- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018429.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346647664-01346651478- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018430.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346647664-01346651478-01346653889- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018431.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01346647664-01346651478-01346653889-01346655296- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018432.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346681294- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018434.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging request: GStreamer 1.0 / 0.11.93
+</A><A NAME="18434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01346688596- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018435.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346688596-01346690819- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018436.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346688596-01346690819-01346691573- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018437.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01346688596-01346690819-01346691573-01346691631- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018438.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346688596-01346690819-01346691573-01346691631-01346745950- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018443.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install boot fails - &quot;unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
+</A><A NAME="18443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346694019- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018439.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron display broken
+</A><A NAME="18439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346694019-01346828012- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018462.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron display broken
+</A><A NAME="18462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346713918- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018440.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to kde 4.9.1
+</A><A NAME="18440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346713918-01346714463- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018441.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to kde 4.9.1
+</A><A NAME="18441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346745551- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018442.html">[Mageia-dev] BS stalled at gstreamer1.0?
+</A><A NAME="18442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346745551-01346746488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018444.html">[Mageia-dev] BS stalled at gstreamer1.0?
+</A><A NAME="18444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346749578- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018445.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [272801] drop old manpages in favour of the newer man-pages rpm (glibc)
+</A><A NAME="18445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346749578-01346749975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018446.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [272801] drop old manpages in favour of the newer man-pages rpm (glibc)
+</A><A NAME="18446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346759397- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018447.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346759397-01346759538- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018448.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346759397-01346759538-01346761716- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018449.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346770581- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018450.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346770581-01346777545- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018452.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346770581-01346777545-01346777852- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018453.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01346770581-01346777545-01346777852-01346832227- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018469.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346770581-01346777545-01346777852-01346832227-01346834135- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018472.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346770581-01346777545-01346777852-01346832227-01346834135-01346844458- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018475.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01346770581-01346777545-01346780280- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018454.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5642] skip packages with no name
+</A><A NAME="18454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346770659- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018451.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-3-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01346784887- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018455.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5663] debugging...
+</A><A NAME="18455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346784887-01346796883- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018458.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5663] debugging...
+</A><A NAME="18458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346785064- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018456.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5622] Code reorg.
+</A><A NAME="18456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01346785215- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018457.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5660] new get_refined_packages_list(); fix get_submitted_packages()
+</A><A NAME="18457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01346805620- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018459.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release clutter-1.11.14-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346805620-01346831983- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018467.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release clutter-1.11.14-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346823238- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018460.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release flrig-1.3.08-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01346828246- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018461.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron display broken
+</A><A NAME="18461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346828246-01347352683- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018620.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron display broken
+</A><A NAME="18620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346830450- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018463.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346830450-01346831660- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018464.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346830450-01346831660-01346841557- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018474.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01346830450-01346831722- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018465.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346830450-01346831722-01346834036- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018471.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01346830450-01346831722-01346834036-01346834879- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018473.html">[Mageia-dev] Huge GNOME updates
+</A><A NAME="18473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346831823- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018466.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-0.11.93-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346831823-01346832123- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018468.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-0.11.93-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346831823-01346832123-01346832747- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018470.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-0.11.93-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346843286- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018477.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346843286-01346857112- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018481.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346843286-01346857112-01346857381- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018482.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01346843286-01346867278- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018486.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346843286-01346867278-01347041016- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018531.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.5.90-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346844918- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018476.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and NAMESPACE
+</A><A NAME="18476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346844918-01346858793- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018483.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and NAMESPACE
+</A><A NAME="18483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346845599- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018478.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346845599-01346847977- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018479.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346845599-01346847977-01346849157- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018480.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01346845599-01346858888- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018484.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346845599-01346858888-01346867593- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018487.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01346845599-01346858888-01346867593-01346867728- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018488.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346845599-01346858888-01346867593-01346867728-01346868624- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018489.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346845599-01346858888-01346867593-01346867728-01346868624-01346874849- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018494.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346845599-01346858888-01346867593-01346880059- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018495.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346845599-01346858888-01346867593-01346880059-01346915176- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018498.html">[Mageia-dev] Directory conflict ?
+</A><A NAME="18498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346861154- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018485.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5686] For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi. cfg file while creating
+</A><A NAME="18485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346861154-01346918901- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018499.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5686] For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi. cfg file while creating
+</A><A NAME="18499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346861154-01346918901-01346919574- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018500.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5686] For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi. cfg file while creating
+</A><A NAME="18500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01346861154-01346918901-01346925218- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018502.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5686] For non-local media, iurt is suppressing the urpmi. cfg file while creating
+</A><A NAME="18502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp)
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346868876- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018490.html">[Mageia-dev] meeting
+</A><A NAME="18490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346868876-01346870012- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018491.html">[Mageia-dev] meeting
+</A><A NAME="18491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346868876-01346870012-01346871264- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018492.html">[Mageia-dev] meeting
+</A><A NAME="18492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346872065- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018493.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 1 wiki page
+</A><A NAME="18493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01346900878- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018496.html">[Mageia-dev] BS stalled for i586 arch.
+</A><A NAME="18496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346900878-01346912708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018497.html">[Mageia-dev] BS stalled for i586 arch.
+</A><A NAME="18497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346922625- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018501.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/updates x11-server-1.13.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01346938711- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018503.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346938711-01346938985- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018504.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346938711-01346938985-01346939360- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018506.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01346938711-01346939071- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018505.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01346938711-01346943160- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018507.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346938711-01346943160-01346943486- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018508.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01346938711-01346943160-01346943486-01346944671- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018509.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346938711-01346943160-01346943486-01346944671-01346948146- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018511.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346938711-01346943160-01346943486-01346944671-01346948146-01346949043- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018512.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346938711-01346943160-01346943486-01346944671-01346948146-01346949043-01347211410- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018599.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346938711-01346943160-01346943486-01346944671-01346948146-01346949043-01347211410-01347258665- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018607.html">[Mageia-dev] strange iurt error
+</A><A NAME="18607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346947566- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018510.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange message in Firefox
+</A><A NAME="18510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346947566-01347006100- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018516.html">[Mageia-dev] Strange message in Firefox
+</A><A NAME="18516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346954327- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018513.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release irqbalance-1.0.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01346957801- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018514.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qemu-1.2.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01346968275- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018515.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - help needed!
+</A><A NAME="18515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01347012003- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018517.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347012003-01347015713- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018518.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347012003-01347015713-01347016052- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018519.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347012003-01347015713-01347016052-01347032904- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018523.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347012003-01347015713-01347016052-01347032904-01347033391- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018525.html">[Mageia-dev] Network issue with pm-suspend
+</A><A NAME="18525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347021079- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018520.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347021079-01347022537- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018521.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing x11-driver-video-intel-2.20.6-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347032568- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018522.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 - alpha 1 is available
+</A><A NAME="18522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347032568-01347040053- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018533.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 - alpha 1 is available
+</A><A NAME="18533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347033065- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018524.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347033065-01347035735- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018526.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347033065-01347035735-01347039375- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018527.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347033065-01347035735-01347039375-01347039804- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018528.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01347033065-01347039467- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018529.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01347033065-01347040577- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018530.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01347033065-01347041333- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018532.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347033065-01347041333-01347056219- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018540.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347033065-01347041333-01347056219-01347098472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018550.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347033065-01347041333-01347056219-01347098472-01347124359- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018570.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347033065-01347041333-01347056219-01347098472-01347124359-01347125966- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018571.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347033065-01347041333-01347056219-01347098472-01347124359-01347125966-01347201823- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018594.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347033065-01347041333-01347056219-01347098472-01347124359-01347125966-01347201823-01347216307- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018604.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone know where /usr/bin/shutdown comes from?
+</A><A NAME="18604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347043954- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018534.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron tainted/updates_testing util-linux-2.22-4.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="18534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347043954-01347044006- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018535.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron tainted/updates_testing util-linux-2.22-4.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="18535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347043954-01347044006-01347044540- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018537.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron tainted/updates_testing util-linux-2.22-4.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="18537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347044282- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018536.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/updates_testing x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.1-4.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347044282-01347044704- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018538.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/updates_testing x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.1-4.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347044282-01347044704-01347056510- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018541.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/updates_testing x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.1-4.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347044282-01347044704-01347056510-01347058465- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018542.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/updates_testing x11-driver-video-nouveau-1.0.1-4.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347045343- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018539.html">[Mageia-dev] Programm starters in LXDE panel
+</A><A NAME="18539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347045343-01347084471- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018547.html">[Mageia-dev] Programm starters in LXDE panel
+</A><A NAME="18547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347045343-01347084471-01347088046- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018548.html">[Mageia-dev] Programm starters in LXDE panel
+</A><A NAME="18548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347063202- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018543.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347063202-01347064373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018545.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347063202-01347064373-01347068092- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018546.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01347063202-01347107385- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018562.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347063202-01347107385-01347107997- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018563.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347063202-01347107385-01347107997-01347127679- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018572.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347063202-01347107385-01347107997-01347127679-01347155891- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018581.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347063202-01347107385-01347107997-01347127679-01347155891-01347156630- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018582.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347063202-01347107385-01347107997-01347127679-01347155891-01347156630-01347157536- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018583.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347063202-01347107385-01347107997-01347127679-01347155891-01347156630-01347157536-01347157982- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018584.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347063202-01347107385-01347107997-01347127679-01347274410- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018609.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347063202-01347107385-01347107997-01347127679-01347274410-01347285030- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018612.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347063202-01347107385-01347107997-01347127679-01347274410-01347285030-01347806684- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018699.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347063202-01347107385-01347107997-01347127679-01347274410-01347312228- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018616.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347063202-01347107385-01347107997-01347998392- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018748.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01347063202-01347805381- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018698.html">[Mageia-dev] Update of the rpm group policy
+</A><A NAME="18698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347063964- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018544.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="18544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347063964-01347091316- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018549.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="18549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347063964-01347091316-01347506276- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018646.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="18646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347063964-01347091316-01347506276-01347996049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018743.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="18743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347099208- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018551.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347099208-01347099325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018552.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347099208-01347099325-01347099489- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018553.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347099208-01347099325-01347099489-01347099505- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018554.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347099208-01347099325-01347099489-01347099505-01347099790- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018555.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347099208-01347099325-01347099489-01347099505-01347104914- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018559.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.1 is going to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="18559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347102032- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018556.html">[Mageia-dev] pthread segfaults?
+</A><A NAME="18556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347102032-01347123708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018569.html">[Mageia-dev] pthread segfaults?
+</A><A NAME="18569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347102155- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018557.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347102155-01347103536- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018558.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01347102155-01347132928- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018573.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01347102155-01347187996- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018589.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347102155-01347187996-01347550264- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018653.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01347102155-01347188232- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018590.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01347102155-01347203004- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018596.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01347102155-01347282157- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018610.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347102155-01347282157-01347298311- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018613.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347102155-01347282157-01347298311-01347309995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018614.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347102155-01347282157-01347298311-01347309995-01347311569- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018615.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347102155-01347282157-01347298311-01347309995-01347311569-01347351320- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018619.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347102155-01347282157-01347298311-01347309995-01347311569-01347351320-01347468678- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018641.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01347102155-01347478931- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018643.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01347102155-01347546216- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018652.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] x11-server-1.13
+</A><A NAME="18652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347104854- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018560.html">[Mageia-dev] Previous discussion of the Adobe Flash plugin Fix, (Need link to download patch)
+</A><A NAME="18560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jacob Daniels
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347104854-01347105989- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018561.html">[Mageia-dev] Previous discussion of the Adobe Flash plugin Fix, (Need link to download patch)
+</A><A NAME="18561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01347104854-01347110928- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018565.html">[Mageia-dev] Previous discussion of the Adobe Flash plugin Fix, (Need link to download patch)
+</A><A NAME="18565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347110681- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018564.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki
+</A><A NAME="18564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01347118418- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018566.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347118418-01347119419- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018567.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347122997- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018568.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347122997-01347151331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018577.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347122997-01347151331-01347182692- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018587.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01347122997-01347184517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018588.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347122997-01347184517-01347185408- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018597.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347122997-01347184517-01347185408-01347812004- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018700.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rihoward1 at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347122997-01347184517-01347185408-01347812004-01347812835- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018701.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347122997-01347184517-01347185408-01347812004-01347812835-01347851548- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018714.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rihoward1 at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347122997-01347184517-01347185408-01347812004-01347828004- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018709.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347122997-01347184517-01347185408-01347812004-01347828004-01347888343- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018725.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347122997-01347184517-01347185408-01347812004-01347828004-01347888343-01347890169- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018726.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347122997-01347184517-01347185408-01347812004-01347828004-01347888343-01347890169-01347899005- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018731.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347122997-01347184517-01347185408-01347812004-01347828004-01347888343-01347890169-01347899005-01347962026- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018737.html">[Mageia-dev] halt and shutdown users: Still needed?
+</A><A NAME="18737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347140556- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018574.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347140556-01347140783- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018575.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347140556-01347140783-01347142613- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018576.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347153951- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018578.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347153951-01347154858- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018579.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347153951-01347154858-01347154964- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018580.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01347153951-01347172179- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018585.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347153951-01347172179-01347172316- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018586.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347153951-01347172179-01347172316-01347223151- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018606.html">[Mageia-dev] packakge changes
+</A><A NAME="18606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347190193- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018591.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347190193-01347353839- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018621.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347190193-01347353839-01347368111- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018630.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347190193-01347353839-01347368111-01347373585- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018631.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347190193-01347353839-01347368111-01347386039- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018632.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347190193-01347353839-01347368111-01347386039-01347436638- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018634.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347190193-01347353839-01347368111-01347386039-01347436638-01347436933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018635.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347190193-01347353839-01347368111-01347386039-01347436638-01347437517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018636.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347190193-01347353839-01347368111-01347386039-01347436638-01347440166- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018637.html">[Mageia-dev] [alpha 1]HP Deskjet-F4280 All-in-one
+</A><A NAME="18637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347199648- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018592.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libreoffice-3.6.1.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347199648-01347199816- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018593.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libreoffice-3.6.1.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347199648-01347199816-01347387732- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018633.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libreoffice-3.6.1.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347202801- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018595.html">[Mageia-dev] missing signature again
+</A><A NAME="18595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01347207467- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018598.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347207467-01347216153- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018603.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347207467-01347216153-01348567669- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018911.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347207467-01347216153-01348567669-01348568423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018913.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347207467-01347216153-01348567669-01348568423-01348568518- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018914.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347207467-01347216153-01348567669-01348579147- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018919.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347207467-01347216153-01348567669-01348579147-01348584642- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018922.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="18922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347211916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018600.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release selinux-policy-3.11.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347211916-01347214275- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018601.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release selinux-policy-3.11.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347211916-01347214275-01347215242- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018602.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release selinux-policy-3.11.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01347211916-01347222723- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018605.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release selinux-policy-3.11.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347264046- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018608.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mcstrans-0.3.3-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01347287386- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018611.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release antlr-maven-plugin-2.2-6.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01347338062- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018617.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl location
+</A><A NAME="18617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347338062-01347341131- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018618.html">[Mageia-dev] libperl location
+</A><A NAME="18618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347357189- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018622.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347357189-01347357987- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018623.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347357189-01347357987-01347358517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018624.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347357189-01347357987-01347358517-01347358987- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018626.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347357189-01347357987-01347358517-01347358987-01347360434- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018628.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347357189-01347357987-01347358517-01347358987-01347360434-01347363868- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018629.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347357189-01347357987-01347358517-01347358987-01347360434-01347363868-01347629071- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018674.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347357189-01347357987-01347358517-01347358987-01347360434-01347363868-01347629071-01347632312- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018676.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01347357189-01347358601- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018625.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347357189-01347358601-01347360125- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018627.html">[Mageia-dev] /run vs /var/run in configuration files
+</A><A NAME="18627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347445986- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018638.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347445986-01347476991- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018642.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018644.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018645.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018649.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018650.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944-01347538110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018651.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944-01347538110-01347558658- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018659.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944-01347538110-01347564793- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018660.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944-01347538110-01347564793-01347566901- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018661.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944-01347538110-01347564793-01347566901-01347567485- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018662.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944-01347538110-01347564793-01347566901-01347567485-01347567772- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018663.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944-01347538110-01347564793-01347566901-01347567853- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018664.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944-01347538110-01347564793-01347566901-01347567853-01347568635- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018665.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944-01347538110-01347564793-01347566901-01347567853-01347568635-01347569436- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018666.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944-01347538110-01347564793-01347566901-01347567853-01347568635-01347569436-01347569581- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018667.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944-01347538110-01347564793-01347566901-01347567853-01347568635-01347574797- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018669.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944-01347538110-01347564793-01347566901-01347567853-01347568635-01347574797-01347606391- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018670.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944-01347538110-01347564793-01347566901-01347567853-01347568635-01347574797-01347606391-01347648936- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018686.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944-01347538110-01347564793-01347566901-01347567853-01347568635-01347574797-01347606391-01347648936-01347649415- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018688.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944-01347538110-01347564793-01347566901-01347567853-01347568635-01347574797-01347606391-01347648936-01347649415-01347651353- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018689.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347476991-01347480339-01347486802-01347537768-01347537944-01347538110-01347564793-01347566901-01347567853-01347568635-01347574797-01347606391-01347648936-01347649415-01347821312- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018704.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01347445986-01347615749- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018672.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347445986-01347615749-01347624226- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018673.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347445986-01347615749-01347624226-01347638082- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018678.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347615749-01347624226-01347638082-01347638609- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018679.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347615749-01347624226-01347638082-01347639667- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018681.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347615749-01347624226-01347638082-01347639667-01347640362- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018683.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damian Ivanov
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347445986-01347615749-01347624226-01347642597- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018684.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia
+</A><A NAME="18684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347467226- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018639.html">[Mageia-dev] Are we going to have an IRC meeting today?
+</A><A NAME="18639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01347468256- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018640.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="18640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01347535974- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018647.html">[Mageia-dev] /sbin/poweroff &amp; kdm
+</A><A NAME="18647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347535974-01347536399- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018648.html">[Mageia-dev] /sbin/poweroff &amp; kdm
+</A><A NAME="18648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347535974-01347536399-01347613565- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018671.html">[Mageia-dev] /sbin/poweroff &amp; kdm
+</A><A NAME="18671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347552403- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018654.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phoenix Guo
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347552403-01347554703- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018656.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347552403-01347554703-01347555367- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018657.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347552403-01347554703-01347555367-01347556339- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018658.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01347552403-01347554703-01347631662- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018675.html">[Mageia-dev] How to install a debug package with its dependencies?
+</A><A NAME="18675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phoenix Guo
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347552770- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018655.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 7049] Update candidate for phonon-gstreamer
+</A><A NAME="18655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01347573839- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018668.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release accountsservice-0.6.24-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01347637566- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018677.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5837] mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</A><A NAME="18677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347637566-01347639493- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018680.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5837] mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</A><A NAME="18680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347637566-01347639493-01347639871- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018682.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5837] mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</A><A NAME="18682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347637566-01347639493-01347639871-01347649342- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018687.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5837] mount /dev/shm as --bind like other mount points (mga#7329)
+</A><A NAME="18687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347643515- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018685.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-25.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01347681231- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018690.html">[Mageia-dev] obsolete(s) on SVN?
+</A><A NAME="18690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347681231-01347681562- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018691.html">[Mageia-dev] obsolete(s) on SVN?
+</A><A NAME="18691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347681231-01347681562-01347689754- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018692.html">[Mageia-dev] obsolete(s) on SVN?
+</A><A NAME="18692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01347681231-01347696498- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018693.html">[Mageia-dev] obsolete(s) on SVN?
+</A><A NAME="18693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347753535- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018694.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347753535-01347793155- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018695.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347753535-01347793155-01347793812- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018696.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347753535-01347793155-01347793812-01347795463- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018697.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120907.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347817661- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018702.html">[Mageia-dev] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347817661-01347882693- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018720.html">[Mageia-dev] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347819612- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018703.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347819612-01347869810- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018715.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347819612-01347869810-01347879140- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018718.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347819612-01347869810-01347879140-01347883441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018721.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347819612-01347869810-01347879140-01347883441-01347887455- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018724.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="18724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347822424- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018705.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347822424-01347823084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018706.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347822424-01347823084-01347826331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018708.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347822424-01347823084-01347826331-01347831241- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018710.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347822424-01347823084-01347826331-01347831241-01347877765- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018716.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347822424-01347823084-01347826331-01347831241-01347877980- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018717.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347822424-01347823084-01347826331-01347831241-01347877980-01347910509- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018733.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347822424-01347823084-01347826331-01347831241-01347881961- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018719.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a Packager mentor
+</A><A NAME="18719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347823959- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018707.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347823959-01347845151- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018712.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347835816- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018711.html">[Mageia-dev] setools
+</A><A NAME="18711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347835816-01347849101- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018713.html">[Mageia-dev] setools
+</A><A NAME="18713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347885744- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018722.html">[Mageia-dev] shutdown stalls
+</A><A NAME="18722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347885744-01347885876- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018723.html">[Mageia-dev] shutdown stalls
+</A><A NAME="18723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347891401- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018727.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5909] recognize gst1.0.prov
+</A><A NAME="18727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347891401-01347893259- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018729.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5909] recognize gst1.0.prov
+</A><A NAME="18729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347891763- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018728.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347891763-01347894909- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018730.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347891763-01347894909-01347900517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018732.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] installing in parallel
+</A><A NAME="18732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347910661- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018734.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release drakx-installer-images-1.83-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347910661-01347947193- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018736.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release drakx-installer-images-1.83-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347910661-01347947193-01348677385- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018951.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release drakx-installer-images-1.83-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="18951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347910933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018735.html">[Mageia-dev] umask=0 in cdrom fstab options?
+</A><A NAME="18735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01347988253- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018738.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilds needed ?
+</A><A NAME="18738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347988253-01347988932- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018739.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilds needed ?
+</A><A NAME="18739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347988253-01347988932-01347989700- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018740.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilds needed ?
+</A><A NAME="18740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01347988253-01347988932-01347998217- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018747.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilds needed ?
+</A><A NAME="18747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01347995043- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018741.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01347995043-01347995713- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018742.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01347995043-01347997004- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018745.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01347995043-01347997137- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018744.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01347995043-01347997865- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018746.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01347995043-01348009287- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018761.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01347995043-01348323895- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018846.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01347995043-01348323895-01348326315- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018847.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01347995043-01348323895-01348326315-01348348892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018856.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01347995043-01348323895-01348326315-01348348892-01348349311- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018857.html">[Mageia-dev] Weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="18857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348039921- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018749.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libxslt-1.1.27-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348040427- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018750.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348040427-01348042312- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018751.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018753.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348060262- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018770.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348060262-01348177604- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018812.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348060262-01348177604-01348178593- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018813.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Digigold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348060262-01348177604-01348224143- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018821.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348062810- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018780.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348062810-01348066417- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018782.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348062810-01348066417-01348069509- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018783.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348062810-01348066417-01348069509-01348069794- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018784.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348062810-01348066417-01348077583- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018787.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348062810-01348066417-01348077583-01348136373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018794.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348062810-01348066417-01348077583-01348136373-01348136930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018795.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348062810-01348066417-01348077583-01348136373-01348136930-01348139625- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018797.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348062810-01348066417-01348077583-01348136373-01348136930-01348139625-01348141346- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018799.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348062810-01348066417-01348077583-01348136373-01348136930-01348139625-01348141346-01348141746- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018800.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348062810-01348066417-01348077583-01348136373-01348136930-01348139625-01348141346-01348141746-01348141850- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018802.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348062810-01348066417-01348077583-01348136373-01348136930-01348139625-01348141346-01348165482- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018810.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042312-01348042815-01348062810-01348066417-01348077583-01348136373-01348136930-01348139625-01348165194- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018809.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01348040427-01348042312-01348042826- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018762.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01348040427-01348042675- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018752.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348040427-01348042675-01348057390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018766.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042675-01348057390-01348059848- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018768.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348042675-01348057390-01348059848-01348065134- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018781.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire REVILLET
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01348040427-01348042675-01348074968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018785.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01348040427-01348043223- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018755.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348040427-01348043473- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018754.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348040427-01348043473-01348092588- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018789.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01348040427-01348043473-01348134307- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018792.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01348040427-01348043473-01348140782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018798.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Digigold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348040427-01348043473-01348140782-01348141526- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018801.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01348040427-01348044346- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018756.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348040427-01348252975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018823.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348040427-01348469847- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018872.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348040427-01348469847-01348473320- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018875.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348040427-01348469847-01348473320-01348480338- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018877.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348469847-01348473320-01348480338-01348482829- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018878.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348469847-01348473320-01348480338-01348482829-01348488604- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018884.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348469847-01348473320-01348480338-01348482829-01348514988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018894.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348469847-01348473320-01348480338-01348482829-01348553718- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018900.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348469847-01348473320-01348480338-01348482829-01348553718-01348578973- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018918.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348469847-01348473320-01348550465- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018898.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348040427-01348469847-01348473320-01348550465-01348552473- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018899.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos
+</A><A NAME="18899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348044945- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018757.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oden Eriksson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348044945-01348050886- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018760.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348044945-01348050886-01348052279- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018763.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oden Eriksson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01348044945-01348052507- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018764.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348044945-01348132002- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018791.html">[Mageia-dev] autogen.sh
+</A><A NAME="18791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348047954- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018758.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo perl6
+</A><A NAME="18758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348047954-01348049407- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018759.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo perl6
+</A><A NAME="18759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348047954-01348049407-01348055884- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018765.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo perl6
+</A><A NAME="18765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01348047954-01348049407-01348057450- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018767.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo perl6
+</A><A NAME="18767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348060060- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018769.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348060060-01348061118- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018771.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348060060-01348061118-01348061238- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018772.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01348060060-01348061118-01348061264- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018773.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348060060-01348061118-01348061264-01348061305- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018774.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348060060-01348061118-01348061264-01348061305-01348061371- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018775.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348060060-01348061118-01348061264-01348061305-01348061632- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018776.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348060060-01348061118-01348061264-01348061305-01348061632-01348061735- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018777.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348060060-01348061118-01348061264-01348061305-01348061632-01348061735-01348061997- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018778.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348060060-01348061118-01348061264-01348061305-01348061632-01348061735-01348061997-01348062117- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018779.html">[Mageia-dev] Import msec into our SVN
+</A><A NAME="18779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348076761- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018786.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348076761-01348087666- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018788.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018793.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018796.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779-01348146021- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018803.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779-01348146021-01348154824- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018807.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779-01348146021-01348154824-01348165036- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018808.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779-01348146021-01348154824-01348165036-01348173447- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018811.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779-01348146021-01348154824-01348165036-01348173447-01348182107- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018814.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779-01348146021-01348154824-01348165036-01348173447-01348252979- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018822.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem?
+</A><A NAME="18822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779-01348146021-01348154824-01348165036-01348173447-01348253697- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018824.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779-01348146021-01348154824-01348165036-01348173447-01348253697-01348267682- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018830.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779-01348146021-01348154824-01348165036-01348173447-01348253697-01348267682-01348308415- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018837.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779-01348146021-01348154824-01348165036-01348173447-01348253697-01348308112- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018836.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779-01348146021-01348154824-01348165036-01348173447-01348253697-01348308112-01348340034- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018852.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779-01348146021-01348154824-01348165036-01348173447-01348253697-01348308112-01348340034-01348380268- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018861.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779-01348146021-01348154824-01348165036-01348173447-01348253697-01348308112-01348340034-01348380268-01348391930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018862.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779-01348146021-01348154824-01348165036-01348173447-01348253697-01348308112-01348340034-01348380268-01348391930-01348471594- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018873.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779-01348146021-01348154824-01348165036-01348173447-01348253697-01348308112-01348340034-01348380268-01348391930-01348471594-01348473042- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018874.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348076761-01348087666-01348134847-01348138779-01348146021-01348154824-01348165036-01348173447-01348253697-01348308112-01348341367- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018853.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="18853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348129914- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018790.html">[Mageia-dev] msec import
+</A><A NAME="18790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348148140- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018804.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shotwell-0.13.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348151472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018805.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348151472-01348152973- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018806.html">[Mageia-dev] Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348213506- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018815.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5959] Mount /dev/shm as tmpfs
+</A><A NAME="18815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348213506-01348216110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018817.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5959] Mount /dev/shm as tmpfs
+</A><A NAME="18817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348214546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018819.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: Looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="18819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348215230- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018816.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone else seeing Qt4+QtScript segv's (e.g. in kate + __memcpy_ssse3)
+</A><A NAME="18816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348215230-01348216119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018818.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone else seeing Qt4+QtScript segv's (e.g. in kate + __memcpy_ssse3)
+</A><A NAME="18818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348215230-01348216119-01348220521- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018820.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone else seeing Qt4+QtScript segv's (e.g. in kate + __memcpy_ssse3)
+</A><A NAME="18820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348215230-01348216119-01348220521-01348822034- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019010.html">[Mageia-dev] Anyone else seeing Qt4+QtScript segv's (e.g. in kate + __memcpy_ssse3)
+</A><A NAME="19010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348255457- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018825.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348255457-01348256151- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018826.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348255457-01348257191- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018827.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348255457-01348257191-01348266156- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018829.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01348255457-01348257781- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018828.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018832.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348275628- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018833.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348275628-01348309722- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018840.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348275628-01348309722-01348316571- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018842.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348275628-01348309722-01348316571-01348327678- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018848.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348275628-01348320833- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018845.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018843.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018844.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348335897- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018850.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348339973- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018851.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348339973-01348341646- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018854.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348339973-01348341646-01348350724- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018858.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348339973-01348341646-01348350724-01348351365- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018860.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348339973-01348341646-01348350724-01348351365-01348402170- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018864.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348339973-01348341646-01348350724-01348351365-01348402170-01348407078- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018867.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348339973-01348341646-01348350724-01348351365-01348402170-01348431366- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018869.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348339973-01348341646-01348350724-01348351365-01348402170-01348431366-01348511780- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018892.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348339973-01348341646-01348350724-01348351365-01348402170-01348431366-01348511780-01349011668- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019052.html">[Mageia-dev] need some more help to build rpms from linuxsampler project
+</A><A NAME="19052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348339973-01348341646-01348350724-01348351365-01348402170-01348431366-01348511780-01349011668-01349013088- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019055.html">[Mageia-dev] need some more help to build rpms from linuxsampler project
+</A><A NAME="19055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348339973-01348341646-01348350724-01348406341- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018866.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348339973-01348341646-01348350724-01348406341-01348407525- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018868.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348339973-01348341646-01348350724-01348406341-01348407525-01348485958- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018881.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348339973-01348341646-01348350724-01348406341-01348407525-01348485958-01348487138- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018882.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348339973-01348341646-01348350724-01348406341-01348407525-01348485958-01348487138-01348487610- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018883.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348255457-01348257781-01348274716-01348317804-01348320419-01348339973-01348341646-01348350724-01348406341-01348407525-01348485958-01348487138-01348491113- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018885.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01348255457-01348612977- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018936.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="18936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348273412- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018831.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libusbx-1.0.13-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348293831- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018834.html">[Mageia-dev] Re-enable the documentation in kchildlock
+</A><A NAME="18834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348305460- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018835.html">[Mageia-dev] drakdisk numerous warnings
+</A><A NAME="18835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348305460-01348310318- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018841.html">[Mageia-dev] drakdisk numerous warnings
+</A><A NAME="18841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348305460-01348310318-01348345293- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018855.html">[Mageia-dev] drakdisk numerous warnings
+</A><A NAME="18855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348308597- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018838.html">[Mageia-dev] lib64usb1.0_0-1.0.13-1.mga3 conflict
+</A><A NAME="18838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348308597-01348309245- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018839.html">[Mageia-dev] lib64usb1.0_0-1.0.13-1.mga3 conflict
+</A><A NAME="18839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348329331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018849.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with i915 DRI
+</A><A NAME="18849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348329331-01348350966- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018859.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with i915 DRI
+</A><A NAME="18859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348392649- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018863.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348392649-01348403321- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018865.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348392649-01348468279- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018871.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348392649-01348475012- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018876.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348392649-01348484199- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018880.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348392649-01348491511- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018886.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitri
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348392649-01348491511-01348495032- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018887.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348392649-01348491511-01348495032-01348507318- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018888.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348392649-01348491511-01348495032-01348507318-01348508079- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018889.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348392649-01348491511-01348495032-01348507318-01348508079-01348510373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018891.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348392649-01348491511-01348495032-01348507318-01348508079-01348510373-01348584808- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018923.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>brian.smith at blueyonder.co.uk
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348392649-01348491511-01348495032-01348507318-01348539183- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018897.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01348392649-01348491511-01348539525- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018896.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01348392649-01348491511-01348602847- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018929.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348392649-01348491511-01348602847-01348728905- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018970.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="18970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348392649-01348491511-01348602847-01348728905-01348878237- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019019.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="19019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348392649-01348491511-01348602847-01348728905-01348878237-01348881536- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019021.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="19021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348392649-01348491511-01348602847-01348728905-01348878237-01348881583- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019020.html">[Mageia-dev] new fonts?
+</A><A NAME="19020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348440178- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018870.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348440178-01348483839- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018879.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348440178-01348509109- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018890.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348440178-01348509109-01348521069- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018895.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348440178-01348509109-01348521069-01348555051- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018901.html">[Mageia-dev] Problems with gnome-shell and polkit
+</A><A NAME="18901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348514511- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018893.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348514511-01348674281- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018949.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348514511-01348674281-01348689273- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018955.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348514511-01348674281-01348689273-01348735158- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018972.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348561651- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018902.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348561651-01348562350- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018903.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348561651-01348562350-01348562453- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018904.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348561651-01348562350-01348562453-01348597315- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018927.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01348561651-01348564246- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018905.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348561651-01348565457- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018908.html">[Mageia-dev] Packagers meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="18908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348564688- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018906.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348564688-01348565421- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018907.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348564688-01348567398- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018910.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348564688-01348567398-01348568041- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018912.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348564688-01348567398-01348568041-01348602798- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018928.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01348564688-01348567398-01348573436- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018917.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederik Himpe
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348564688-01348567398-01348573436-01348603043- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018930.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348566585- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018909.html">[Mageia-dev] halectomy and policykitectomy (Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-27.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="18909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348569331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018915.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6052] update Authors
+</A><A NAME="18915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348569331-01348570308- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018916.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6052] update Authors
+</A><A NAME="18916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348581768- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018920.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348581768-01348584069- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018921.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348581768-01348584069-01348587440- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018924.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348581768-01348584069-01348587440-01348590944- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018925.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348581768-01348584069-01348587440-01348590944-01348735208- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018973.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348581768-01348584069-01348587440-01348590944-01348735208-01348736451- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018976.html">[Mageia-dev] M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348581768-01348584069-01348587440-01348671628- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018945.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348581768-01348584069-01348587440-01348671628-01348673076- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018947.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348581768-01348584069-01348587440-01348671628-01348673076-01348673347- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018948.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348581768-01348584069-01348587440-01348671628-01348673076-01348673347-01348675539- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018950.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348581768-01348584069-01348587440-01348671628-01348673076-01348673347-01348675539-01348689559- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018958.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348581768-01348584069-01348587440-01348671628-01348673076-01348689463- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018956.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348581768-01348584069-01348587440-01348671628-01348673076-01348689463-01348698059- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018969.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348581768-01348584069-01348587440-01348671628-01348673076-01348689463-01348698059-01348736372- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018975.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348581768-01348584069-01348587440-01348671628-01348673076-01348689463-01348698059-01348736372-01348740329- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018982.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348596965- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018926.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mihphoto-1.0.8-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348603179- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018931.html">[Mageia-dev] ncurses ABI breakage (Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iftop-0.17-9.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="18931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348603179-01348645841- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018938.html">[Mageia-dev] ncurses ABI breakage (Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iftop-0.17-9.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="18938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348603179-01348645841-01348677475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018952.html">[Mageia-dev] ncurses ABI breakage (Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iftop-0.17-9.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="18952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348605122- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018932.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+</A><A NAME="18932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348605122-01348648740- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018942.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+</A><A NAME="18942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348605286- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018933.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - help needed!
+</A><A NAME="18933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348606113- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018934.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348606113-01348611466- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018935.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348606113-01348611466-01348664231- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018944.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01348606113-01348647021- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018939.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348606113-01348647021-01348663557- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018943.html">[Mageia-dev] grub2 integration into installer and drakx tools
+</A><A NAME="18943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348613030- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018937.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348613030-01348673053- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018946.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348613030-01348693782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018960.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348613030-01348693782-01348694249- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018961.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348613030-01348693782-01348694249-01348694853- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018962.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348613030-01348693782-01348694249-01348694853-01348695778- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018963.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348613030-01348693782-01348694249-01348694853-01348695778-01348696082- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018965.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348613030-01348693782-01348694249-01348694853-01348695778-01348696696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018966.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348613030-01348693782-01348694249-01348694853-01348695778-01348696696-01348696913- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018967.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348613030-01348693782-01348694249-01348694853-01348695936- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018964.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01348613030-01348736667- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018977.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348613030-01348736667-01348739302- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018979.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348613030-01348736667-01348739302-01348739514- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018980.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348613030-01348736667-01348739302-01348739514-01348740455- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018983.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348613030-01348736667-01348739302-01348739514-01348740455-01348743926- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018984.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM groups policy
+</A><A NAME="18984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348648601- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018940.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release fatpack-0.9.11-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348648623- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018941.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-App-Module-Locate-0.500.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348683830- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018953.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [293158] disable 'fortify' to prevent crashes (mga#6723)
+</A><A NAME="18953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348684232- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018954.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmrc [5221] build with -fPIC on x86_64 too (pok, mdv)
+</A><A NAME="18954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348684232-01348689463- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018957.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmrc [5221] build with -fPIC on x86_64 too (pok, mdv)
+</A><A NAME="18957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348693204- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018959.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="18959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348693204-01348697700- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018968.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="18968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348693204-01348697700-01348735074- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018971.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="18971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01348693204-01348922223- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019029.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348693204-01348922223-01348929781- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019034.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01348693204-01349008136- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019049.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348693204-01349008136-01349010480- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019050.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01348693204-01349008136-01349010603- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019051.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348735607- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018974.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348735607-01348737351- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018978.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348735607-01348737351-01348740125- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018981.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348735607-01348737351-01348740125-01348749075- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018985.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348735607-01348737351-01348740125-01348749075-01348749642- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018986.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348735607-01348737351-01348740125-01348749075-01348749642-01348750157- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018987.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348735607-01348737351-01348740125-01348749075-01348749642-01348753050- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018989.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348735607-01348737351-01348740125-01348749075-01348749642-01348753050-01348754761- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018990.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348735607-01348737351-01348740125-01348749075-01348749642-01348753050-01348754761-01348754984- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018991.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348735607-01348737351-01348740125-01348749075-01348758591- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018992.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348735607-01348737351-01348740125-01348749075-01348758591-01348758988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018993.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348735607-01348737351-01348740125-01348749075-01348758591-01348761945- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018997.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update
+</A><A NAME="18997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348735607-01348737351-01348740125-01348749075-01348758591-01348761945-01349012386- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019053.html">[Mageia-dev] irqbalance (was: Re: Fwd: Re: M3 won't complete boot after update)
+</A><A NAME="19053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348735607-01348737351-01348740125-01348749075-01348758591-01348761945-01349012386-01349012697- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019054.html">[Mageia-dev] irqbalance
+</A><A NAME="19054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348735607-01348737351-01348740125-01348749075-01348758591-01348761945-01349012386-01349012697-01349013506- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019056.html">[Mageia-dev] irqbalance
+</A><A NAME="19056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348750812- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018988.html">[Mageia-dev] Possible X/RandR problem in M3
+</A><A NAME="18988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348759400- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018994.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and non-systemd services question
+</A><A NAME="18994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348759400-01348763188- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018998.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and non-systemd services question
+</A><A NAME="18998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348759400-01348763188-01348772649- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019002.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and non-systemd services question
+</A><A NAME="19002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348759400-01348763188-01348772649-01348780376- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019006.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and non-systemd services question
+</A><A NAME="19006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348759843- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018995.html">[Mageia-dev] Pidgin is broken on Mageia Cauldron + A Fix
+</A><A NAME="18995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348759843-01348815423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019008.html">[Mageia-dev] Pidgin is broken on Mageia Cauldron + A Fix
+</A><A NAME="19008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348760275- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018996.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="18996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348760275-01348777139- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019004.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="19004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348760275-01348779093- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019005.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="19005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348760275-01348902204- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019023.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="19023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348760275-01348902204-01348902744- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019025.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye packaging, hello dev
+</A><A NAME="19025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348768918- -->
+<LI><A HREF="018999.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing pango-1.32.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="18999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348769462- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019000.html">[Mageia-dev] More systemd strangeness
+</A><A NAME="19000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348769462-01348770065- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019001.html">[Mageia-dev] More systemd strangeness
+</A><A NAME="19001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348769462-01348770065-01348773602- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019003.html">[Mageia-dev] More systemd strangeness
+</A><A NAME="19003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348793046- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019007.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release cairo-dock-3.0.2-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348821456- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019009.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348821456-01348824934- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019011.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348821456-01348824934-01348828769- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019012.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348821456-01348824934-01348828769-01348829103- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019013.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release pango-1.32.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348831512- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019014.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release draklive-2.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348843248- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019015.html">[Mageia-dev] gt3-devel and GConf2-devel question
+</A><A NAME="19015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348843248-01348843834- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019016.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: gt3-devel and GConf2-devel question
+</A><A NAME="19016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348843248-01348850568- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019017.html">[Mageia-dev] gt3-devel and GConf2-devel question
+</A><A NAME="19017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348858990- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019018.html">[Mageia-dev] build problem
+</A><A NAME="19018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348858990-01348925102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019031.html">[Mageia-dev] build problem
+</A><A NAME="19031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348858990-01348925102-01348925347- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019033.html">[Mageia-dev] build problem
+</A><A NAME="19033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348902178- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019022.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348902178-01348902369- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019024.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348902178-01348902369-01348912189- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019026.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348902178-01348902369-01348912189-01348943568- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019036.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01348902178-01348916570- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019027.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release qgit-2.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348920843- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019028.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348920843-01348925056- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019030.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348920843-01348925056-01348948566- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019039.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01348920843-01348945371- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019037.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348920843-01348948564- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019038.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348920843-01348948564-01348994459- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019045.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01348920843-01348963130- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019042.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348920843-01348963130-01348994081- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019044.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01348920843-01348988614- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019043.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348920843-01348988614-01348996499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019046.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01348920843-01348988614-01349003235- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019047.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01348920843-01348988614-01349003235-01349018283- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019057.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348920843-01348988614-01349003235-01349028226- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019058.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348920843-01348988614-01349003235-01349028226-01349028828- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019059.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348920843-01348988614-01349003235-01349028226-01349028828-01349029704- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019061.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348920843-01348988614-01349003235-01349028226-01349028828-01349029704-01349030906- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019062.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01348920843-01348988614-01349003235-01349028226-01349028828-01349030967- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019063.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01348920843-01349004932- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019048.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01348920843-01349029312- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019060.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01348925185- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019032.html">[Mageia-dev] build problem
+</A><A NAME="19032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01348943348- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019035.html">[Mageia-dev] PHP maintenance
+</A><A NAME="19035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01348943348-01348954588- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019040.html">[Mageia-dev] PHP maintenance
+</A><A NAME="19040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01348943348-01348954588-01348957579- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019041.html">[Mageia-dev] PHP maintenance
+</A><A NAME="19041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Sep 30 20:49:27 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 30 20:50:25 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
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