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QA is just a hell on the set we had for Mageia 2 +</I> +I don't see the need for DVD-size special ISOs. To be precise: A +simple snapshot of the repositories, to use as additional installation +source should be enough for more or less everyone. +Have a CD with the basic stuff, and then install the rest either via +network or from an additional repo-DVD. + +The more time passes, the more useless the initial repo's data gets, +as updates will be released for many packages. System builders/people +who need to do offline installation could then just sync their +favorite mirror/create a DVD with current packages and use that +instead of the initially released one. + +The repo-packages can be tested completely automatically, as all that +needs to be done is to verify the iso-creation (directory layout, no +read-errors/partial files in the iso) + +><i> - provide localization as large as possible +</I>><i> - provide isos including major drivers including proprietary one to make it +</I>><i> easier to install and configure +</I> +This is the only item where "completely open source/free" vs "one with +proprietary stuff" would be of relevance. If there was a boot option +to switch between the two, then one single iso would be enough. + +><i> Keep in mind that what you want is not necessarily what another one want. So +</I>><i> let start proposals here and discussion. Please add all explanations to your +</I>><i> proposal. +</I> +So my proposal: +############################## +* Only CD-ROM as installation media, +** one dual arch for text-based installation +** one live for each architecture and major Desktop, i.e. one GNOME, +one KDE (english+whatever other western languages fit) +** isos for more languages only if you got QA for it. But editions for +CJK and RTL surely would be nice. + +* additional packages on DVD as simple repository snapshot + +There have been arguments: "But you cannot fit all packages that make +up GNOME or KDE onto a CD-ROM sized iso". +My reply is: It doesn't need to be the complete desktop environment. +Live isos are used to: +* Check whether the hardware is supported at all +* Check whether the distro's structure fits oneself +* As installation media +* As rescue system for whatever unforeseen circumstances, and to +backup that windows-PC from $friend_or_family + +Also the questions whether people have DVD or CD-Rom drives isn't so +much of a question. If it has a drive, you can assume it also can use +DVD, but at least myself and ~everyone I know don't use actual CDs +anymore, but rather put the ISO onto an USB-Stick. I don't own a +USB-Stick in DVD-capacity, but I own a few that can fit a CD-ROM +image. + +I'm against DVD sized installation media because +* It is only of use right after release, the more time passes, the +more outdated the packages are, and the more updates will have to be +installed over the net anyway +* it is a big download +* USB-media in DVD-size not as widespread as CD-Rom sized ones +* DVD for live-isos: You'll not be able to use all that is available +anyway, since RAM is limited, and providing all kinds of stuff that +then just leads into programs being killed because of OOM is +counter-productive. + +So bottom line: Drop the DVD-size images, provide +repository/additional packages images as a convenience for +offline-installers instead. (i.e. it would only contain repository +data, would not be bootable. To boot, use one of the CD-sized options) + +ciao +Christian +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="018900.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="018898.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#18918">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#18918">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#18918">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#18918">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |