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This have not been discussed a lot but i think that +</I>><i> this is a lack of time. For me the prior thing to do would be to write a interactive::qt for mcc using perl-qt4 or perl-kde4 +</I> +Okay, so I see the argument of prioritizing and putting your resources +towards the highest valued projects, however, the fact is that if I was +not putting time into this, I would be putting time into my academic +projects, not another Mageia project. + +Also, if it was not a Mageia Control Center, I would be writing the +Debian Control Center or the Fedora Control Center or the generic +control center that any distro can use if they find it useful, but I +would be most happy with Mageia, because the distro and the community rock. +Angelo and Matteo have put time into packaging (and now bug fixing) +libyui, but that is something that should be looked at regardless. +libyui is already in the other major distros, and is useful for writing +other programs. + +So the reality is, there is no waste of resources. + +><i> I think that if you want to write it in an other language this is more because you have not saw that all our code is linked +</I>><i> so you will double the code base, the code to maintain, the possible bugs, etc etc. +</I> +If it was my language of choice I would be writing it in C++. It was +100% due to discussions on the list and in IRC that led to writing it in +Perl. As noted, I have previously never written any Perl, and so it +would not have been my first or even second choice, I did it purely +because of the feedback I received from the Mageia community. + +When talking about other languages, I am not referring to the main +program, but only optional (not core) modules. + +>><i> 1/ What should we call it ?? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I have been using mcc2 as a working name, however I'm not +</I>>><i> convinced this is the right approach. I will soon be uploading the code +</I>>><i> (been using my own svn repo up till now), and it would be good to start +</I>>><i> with the name it will stick with. Should the name relate to Mageia?, or +</I>>><i> should it be more generic? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> you will upload it where ? you can use a github repo i think to make it public. +</I> +Currently I am using a university server with svn and Redmine, and I am +completely happy with it. I was going to move it to the mageia repo so +that people could see the program as it progresses, and perhaps even +contribute if they feel motivated to do so. If anyone is interested they +can let me know and I'll create them an account, Angelo and Matteo +already have full access. + +>><i> 2/ What languages should be available for writing modules? (Perl, C++, +</I>>><i> python and Ruby are possibilities) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So far mcc2 has been written in Perl (even though I had never +</I>>><i> written a line of Perl prior to starting this) so as to make porting +</I>>><i> existing modules a matter of just replacing the Ui calls, but I do like +</I>>><i> the idea of allowing the modules to be written in more than 1 language +</I>>><i> to encourage more contributors who may be turned off by having to learn +</I>>><i> another language. +</I>>><i> Sticking with Perl will make mcc2 core easier, so I may do that +</I>>><i> initially regardless. What do you all think?? Is sticking with 1 +</I>>><i> language preferred even if it means less contributors, or is the goal to +</I>>><i> attract as many module developers as possible? +</I>><i> yes but our libraries are in perl too don't forget this ( libDrakX ). In general i am not a big fan of +</I>><i> mixing languages. +</I> +Okay, so +1 for Perl only. +>><i> 3/ What should the license be? +</I>>><i> I would be happy to make it GPL V3, but is there any argument +</I>>><i> for something different ? +</I>><i> As mcc is in gplv2+ i think you have to stick with this licence ( not 100% sure ) +</I> +Well, the core is a full rewrite, so potentially it could be licensed +any way I choose. The modules however are planned to reuse code to save +time and so they would have to respect the existing licenses. + +When asking about licensing, I am referring to the core, not modules. + +>><i> Just to give you an idea of where my code is at ...... +</I>>><i> It is still in early stages, with I would guess about 400 - 500 lines of +</I>>><i> code. +</I>>><i> It works across ncurses, gtk and qt with a consistent interface, however +</I>>><i> there seems to be a bug in the libyui-qt libriaries which Angelo and +</I>>><i> Matteo will be looking into (Big thank you to those guys for packaging +</I>>><i> the libyui libraries and helping out when I have questions). +</I>><i> libyui has been choosen w/o real discussions, i don't want you to loose you time if +</I>><i> at final we don't choose it. +</I> +There were discussions both on mailing list and IRC, a proposal was +written and accepted. I'm not sure what extra discussion is required? + +One of the biggest critisims the first time this was discussed, was that +such a rewrite has been suggested many times in the past, but the amount +of discussion out weighed the amount of code. Now that I have actually +written some code there is a call for more discussion. + +Don't worry about me loosing time, if it does not become a Mageia +project it will become my own private project, and if any distro sees +potential I will work with them, other wise I will just do it for myself. + +>><i> I have little time to work on this for the next 6 weeks, but I hope to +</I>>><i> have the core system complete, or near to complete when Santa visits, +</I>>><i> though porting (and adding new) modules will be the bigger task. +</I>><i> better work would be to fix existing one and add new interactive::qt ( or qt4 ). +</I>><i> And seeing the != between qt4 and qt5 the port to qt5 will be a 'piece of cake'. +</I>><i> +</I> +I disagree entirely. The existing mcc makes ncurses a second rate +citizen. The main reason I started this project was that when I was +putting a cluster together I realised with a couple of extra modules, it +would be trivial to do it all in mcc. When I actually had a look at the +ncurses version it was incomplete, not all modules are shared, and the +interface was not consistent. The work that would be required to "fix +the existing one" amounts to writing an abstraction layer and then +rewriting mcc, using libyui elimated the first part (which is also the +largest part). I also looked at writing a module anyway, and found docs +and tutorials lacking. + +There are a number of reasons why libyui is the right choice, even +though we may have to extend it ourselves, but I have already had this +discussion so don't want to lay it all out here again. Please see the +proposal and mail archives. + + +One last but very important point. This is very much in its infancy! +While I hope it will go all the way, the reality is that projects +sometimes fail. I will work to prevent that, but some times life gets in +the way. My point is, I don't want to waste time on endless discussions +if it was never going to really make it anyway. My plan is to keep +writing small snippets of code when I get the chance, and once semester +is finished, have more of a go and see where it leads. The time used for +this email for instance, could have been spent working on the module +launching section, or helping Angelo with the window title bug. If +putting it into the Mageia repo is going to be a big deal, I'd rather +just keep working in silence. + +Regards + +Tuxta +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="019046.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="019057.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#19047">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#19047">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#19047">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#19047">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |