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We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we +</I>>><i> need to take some decisions. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments +</I>>><i> and review about Mageia on the web. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> - provide a full open source software version +</I>>><i> - provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having +</I>>><i> low band-width or paying depending how much they use it) +</I>>><i> - provide live version(s) +</I>>><i> - decrease isos number. QA is just a hell on the set we had for Mageia 2 +</I>>><i> - provide localization as large as possible +</I>>><i> - provide isos including major drivers including proprietary one to make +</I>>><i> it easier to install and configure +</I>><i> ... +</I>>><i> Please add all explanations to your proposal. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Let say we take one week on this so until 26/09 then we will make a +</I>>><i> final proposal +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Cheers +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> My suggestions : +</I>><i> *Non-live isos* +</I>><i> 1 dual cd with proprietory firmware/drivers +</I>><i> -- based on comments by Alien and others +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1 dvd 32-bit with proprietory firmware/drivers +</I> + +you do realize that this is a no-go as we already have problem fitting +even LXDE on dual isos (as you only have ~350M / arch for rpms and +installer, so trying to load a lot of extra fw and drivers on wont work. + +And yes, we already hardlink noarch packages + + +><i> -- we could ask at the beginning something like +</I>><i> "This disc can install proprietory firmware or drivers needed by your +</I>><i> hardware. Do you want to : +</I>><i> 1) Install such software automatically, +</I>><i> 2) Ask for each such software, or +</I>><i> 3) Never install such software." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That way users can accept or avoid such software as they wish. +</I>><i> At the same time, users will never be stuck. This will be particularly +</I>><i> useful for new users, especially those who found the dvd in a magazine. +</I>><i> Also users preferring no non-free, including firmware or drivers, could +</I>><i> simply resinstall accepting certain firmware/drivers after finding that +</I>><i> their hardware doesn't work properly. +</I> +As with all suggestions to mod the installer, we still need someone to +do the work, not just expect that "someone" will do it... + +><i> -- It seems unlikely that magazines would care about the free/nonfree +</I>><i> issue, as long as the software is redistributable without cost. And I'm +</I>><i> only talking about firmware/drivers where a reliable free version +</I>><i> doesn't exist. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> *Live isos* +</I>><i> 1 live (installable like current dvds) dvd 64-bit with +</I>><i> kde/gnome/lxde/xfce and all localizations, and the proprietory +</I>><i> firmware/drivers now found on live cds. +</I>><i> -- variation of suggestion by Sander +</I>><i> -- this replaces both the current 64-bit dvd + 8 live cds +</I>><i> -- it seems much less likely that 64-bit users will have the download +</I>><i> bandwidth problems of many 32-bit users. (If I'm not mistaken.) +</I> + +You are kidding, right ? +Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees +to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have, +and so on... + + +><i> -- users with 64-bit machines could still use a 32-bit live cd if they +</I>><i> wish. +</I>><i> -- This should save a lot of problems testing, as many potential testers +</I>><i> don't have 64-bit machines available. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 8 live cds 32-bit; kde or gnome; 4 localisation groups +</I>><i> -- users with 32-bit machines are more likely to have bandwidth +</I>><i> problems, or to not have dvd writers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This totals 11 isos, down from 19. (reduced by 8 live cds.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Note that I didn't include an iso without proprietory firmware/drivers, +</I>><i> as with appropriate warnings on those with, an iso without would be +</I>><i> redundant. Just unnecessarily increasing the testing workload. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Note also that it would be useful to have a file in the iso directory +</I>><i> listing the languages available on the various live cds. (Lacking for +</I>><i> mga2, but did exist for mandriva.) +</I>><i> +</I> + +Not so... every livecd is has a matching *.lang: + +<A HREF="http://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/iso/2/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.langs">http://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/iso/2/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.langs</A> + + +And this page lists the langs on the isos too: +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/</A> + + +><i> A final point - to me it is really important to be able to upgrade an +</I>><i> existing installation, instead of forcing a clean install. This allows +</I> +DVDs and netinstalls already support upgrades... +(DVDs will still always have some problem unless you add online medias, + as we cant fit all of the online repos on the DVDs) + +The mga3 upgrade path will need more work due to UsrMove, but it +should still be possible... + +><i> the user to more easily keep their current configuration, and in some +</I>><i> cases essential drivers/firmware not on the iso. Referring to the dvds +</I>><i> and the dual cd, and not the live cds, which are not primarily for +</I>><i> installation. +</I> +I guess you mean livecds _are_ meant for installation, not upgrades + +-- + +Thomas + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="018872.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="018877.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#18875">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#18875">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#18875">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#18875">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |