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And we NEED to reduce this number. So let's only +</I>>><i> decide if DVD keeps without nonfree or not. A poll? Both choices will +</I>>><i> keep the same numbers of medias. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sorry, my response got somewhat easy to misunderstand :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I meant it only as a response to the: +</I>><i> "it seems much less likely that 64-bit users will have the download +</I>><i> bandwidth problems of many 32-bit users." +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> As far as I can see, the easiest way to REDUCE media number is to switch +</I>>><i> Live medias from 700MB to at most DVD size : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> - It removes the different localized version, it is 40% medias less. +</I>>><i> - It does not remove ALL CD-R solutions, as we long as keep DualArch and +</I>>><i> boot.iso media. +</I>>><i> - It fits in most current USB keys (4GB is the lowest size I can see in +</I>>><i> shops). +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But many people have only 1-2GB sticks they could re-use ... +</I>><i> Not everyone can go out and buy new hw all the time... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And the downside of getting bigger live images is that they +</I>><i> do get slower to boot... +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes, it removes supports for some old hardware solutions, which I +</I>>><i> install often, but we can't keep testing 19 medias. We have still lack +</I>>><i> of QA people! +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, I know... I've been doing ISO qa :) +</I>><i> we do need to reduce the media sets... +</I>><i> which is why I earlier in this thread suggested: +</I>><i> - 1 i586 GNOME english liveCD ("works everywhere") +</I>><i> - 1 i586 KDE english liveCD ("works everywhere") +</I> +We should consider the target users of live CDs. +If it is only for the purpose of reviews (by english speakers), then +downloading 2 cds for testing in english only is fine. +But if we want to introduce other users to mageia, many of whom would be +more confortable in another language, if they speak english at all, it +would be very useful to keep the other languages. +At least for the i586 cds. +(x64 users can always use the i586 cds if they don't want to use a dvd) + +><i> +</I>><i> - 1 i586 GNOME all-lang liveDVD +</I>><i> - 1 i586 KDE all-lang liveDVD +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - 1 x86_64 GNOME all-lang liveDVD +</I>><i> - 1 x86_64 KDE all-lang liveDVD +</I> +Would producing live dvd instead of a non-live dvd take much more space +? My impression is no. +If that is correct, then we could make just one live all-desktop live +DVD for each of i586 and x86_64. +Unless you think that the current non-live DVDs are missing important a +lot of important packages ? +><i> +</I>><i> That would bring the live* media down from 16 -> 6 +</I> +Simply dropping 64-bit live cds, without any other changes, would reduce +isos from 19 -> 11. +Without much loss, as those with 64-bit hw could always use 32-bit live +cds, and then install with 64-bit media. +Although it would be better if a 64-bit live dvd were available. +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And as data point... +</I>><i> With current mga2 livecd package config, building a liveDVD for one +</I>><i> arch/DE results in a liveDVD image with ~ 1GB image size +</I>><i> +</I>This is your area of expertise. Is it possible to reduce this ? By +maybe dynamically installing various packages needed ? +What is the size needed for live cds ? (Obviously less, since cds can't +be more than 750M.) +><i> +</I>><i> If we squash more than one DE on the same liveDVD there will be some +</I>><i> questions: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - Which DM will we use ? GDM? KDM? XDM? ...? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then we get the complaints: +</I>><i> - "why should I need to download KDE stuff when I want GNOME"? +</I>><i> - "why should I need to download GNOME stuff when I want KDE"? +</I>><i> - "why ..." +</I> +So how does that differ from the current dvds ? +Isn't the idea of live isos to test and explore mageia ? +A live dvd would make it easier for users to look at various desktops +available. +Once one knows what one wants, a live iso isn't needed any more, +particularly since running a live iso is necessarily much slower than +running an installed system. +As well, even once one knows the desktop prefered, prefered packages +don't necessarily belong to that particular desktop. + +><i> +</I>><i> and the technical side: +</I>><i> - stuffing more than one DE on liveDVDs means altering build process, +</I>><i> also giving more problem for little if any gain.... +</I>><i> - every DE on liveDVDs still need to be validated, so no less testing/QA +</I>><i> - it means testing G/K/XDM starting GNOME/KDE/... so no less testing/QA +</I>><i> - ... +</I> +The same testing, but less downloading for testers. +><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thomas +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="018894.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="018918.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#18900">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#18900">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#18900">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#18900">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |