diff options
Diffstat (limited to 'zarb-ml/mageia-dev/2012-September/018672.html')
| -rw-r--r-- | zarb-ml/mageia-dev/2012-September/018672.html | 204 |
1 files changed, 204 insertions, 0 deletions
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/2012-September/018672.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/2012-September/018672.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..26327ffc0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/2012-September/018672.html @@ -0,0 +1,204 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] unity on mageia + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20unity%20on%20mageia&In-Reply-To=%3C5052FC05.3020804%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="018704.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="018673.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia</H1> + <B>Colin Guthrie</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20unity%20on%20mageia&In-Reply-To=%3C5052FC05.3020804%40colin.guthr.ie%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia">mageia at colin.guthr.ie + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 14 11:42:29 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="018704.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="018673.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#18672">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#18672">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#18672">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#18672">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi Damian, + +'Twas brillig, and Damian Ivanov at 12/09/12 11:33 did gyre and gimble: +><i> My name is Damian Ivanov. Xiao-Long Chen and me are the maintainers of +</I>><i> unity desktop environment for openSUSE and Fedora +</I> +Thanks for writing and getting in touch! + +It's certainly an interesting proposal, but it's really one that opens a +box of many more related questions, some of which I'll try and touch on +below. + +1. External Repositories + +The "Here is my PPA where I do x, y and z" style approach to software +repositories is always one we've deliberately avoided. It's creates +significant problems for our (relatively) small teams when doing QA and +addressing bug reports. For example if a user is using third party +software and they open a bug report, the Triagers and packagers need to +be aware of that, but it's often something users do not know to +highlight or the decide by themselves that it's "not relevant" (when, in +fact, it often can be due to some obscure library that is loaded +dynamically that messes up the whole stack). + +It also creates significant problems on upgrades, if they have upgrade +one package to a non-official version, that then might affect the rest +of the distribution when it comes time to upgrade. + +None of the problems here are insurmountable, but they do exist and if +we are to continue to produce a quality product, we need to keep a +strong hold on the reigns with regards to this kind of stuff. + + +2. If external repositories are to be discouraged then the next obvious +step is to try an incorporate it in Mageia repos directly. However, +unity in particular is a pretty onerous package when it comes to +non-upstream modifications to other packages. This is Canonical's choice +when they designed things this way. I'd rather see more upstream +collaboration, and I'd personally want Mageia to encourage that general +principle, not sign up to the policy that downstream divergence is OK +and something to be supported and encouraged. For this reason, for me +personally, I'd exclude Unity from Mageia official repositories until +the patches can be properly upstreamed. This is a primarily politically +reasoned decision. I don't like divergence and I favour collaboration. + + +3. Ignoring the above points and thinking more practically, would you +propose to use the same specs for Fedora, OpenSuse and Mageia for the +packages or would you use separate ones? Sorry if this is stated already +and I'm just blind! If they are the same, then I suspect this would +cause even more issues as the distros obviously diverge in their +packaging structure. + + +4. How do you handle automatic rebuilds when a package changes? e.g. +when we change our official gtk, I presume you would want to +automatically rebuild yours too? Also what if lower level things change, +e.g. automated provides/requires extraction stuff provided at a lower +level. I presume all this stuff "just works" in OBS? + + +5. Regarding using OBS generally for Mageia, I would not personally be +against it in principle, but there are lots and lots of barriers there. +We do already have a working build infrastructure and we can control it +and have experience of fixing, tweaking it etc. We know it's quirks. +With OBS it would be like starting again. That's not to say it wouldn't +be the "right choice", but it could very easily not be the "right choice +right now". It would take the primary sysadmins to be really +enthusiastic and keen on any transition and know exactly what benefits +it would bring us. Although I can't speak for everyone, I just don't +think there is enough in the way of resources right now for that to be +the case. + + +6. While I'm sure the web interface is nice, I presume it must link +directly to a RCS in the background? e.g. we'd need it to hook into our +subversion system right now. AFAIUI OBS had a some crazy custom RCS +behind it. Is this now more generic? Can it hook up to subversion and/or +git these days, how would it deal with user authentication? + + +7. There is a large part of me that wants to avoid adding everything and +anything to Mageia just because we can. Even although this is community +lead, and community driven, if we end up adding everything and anything +we could easily end up being a jack of all trades and a master of none. +We already have, IMO, too many options in some cases. Look at the login +manager world, we have about five or six of those and only one is +actually the one I'd want to use and that's GDM. The reason being that +it is being proactive in genuinely solving the problems of today. We +already have issues with most of the other DMs because they are not +doing PAM correctly or are only half integrated. It's a lot of effort to +keep up with things and unless upstream are being proactive (which many +are not) then it falls to the downstream to pick up the slack. I +personally have no interest in lightdm, slim, lxdm etc. but yet I seem +to have to look at bug reports concerning them. Adding more stuff will +inherently make things harder to deal with unless there is a +corresponding increase in talented and pro-active contributors too! + + +Just as a final note, I would like to thank you for your interest here. +It's important to note that I'm all for collaboration and for +encouraging contributions to Mageia whatever they are. I don't want some +of my own, personal opinions to put anyone off, but I do want people to +appreciate the broad reasons for such concerns (which I'm sure are +shared by others too) and what would need to be done to address them to +everyones ongoing satisfaction. + +All the best + +Col + + + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +colin(at)mageia.org +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A> +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A> + PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A> + Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="018704.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="018673.html">[Mageia-dev] unity on mageia +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#18672">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#18672">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#18672">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#18672">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |