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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+<PRE>Thanks, but still some of them are left now:
+libqtruby4shared2, libruby1.9, ruby,
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+2012/10/31 Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> 31.10.2012 17:26, Funda Wang skrev:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ping?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Removed...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  2012/10/31 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     Could somebody remove all ruby 1.9 related packages in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     core/updates_testing, so that we could land it into core/release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     The package lists goes (in format of srpm:rpm):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.**rpm:ruby-rake
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.**rpm:ruby-RubyGems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.**rpm:ruby-bigdecimal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.**rpm:ruby-io-console
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.**rpm:ruby-json
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.**rpm:ruby-minitest
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.**rpm:ruby-rake
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.**rpm:ruby-rdoc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.**rpm:libruby1.9
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.**rpm:ruby
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.**rpm:ruby-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.**rpm:ruby-doc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.**rpm:ruby-irb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.**rpm:ruby-tk
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.**rpm:ruby-hiera
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.**rpm:ruby-hiera-doc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:**libqtruby4shared2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:**ruby-qt4
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:**ruby-qt4-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-RubyGems-1.8.24-4.mga3.**src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.**src.rpm:ruby-rubytree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.**src.rpm:ruby-rubytree-doc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       weechat-0.3.8-1.mga3.src.rpm:**weechat-ruby
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     The reason why I couldn't load it directly into release, is that I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     introduced unwanted epoch for ruby packages when doing testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+<PRE>01.11.2012 01:38, Funda Wang skrev:
+&gt;<i> Thanks, but still some of them are left now:
+</I>&gt;<i> libqtruby4shared2, libruby1.9, ruby,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Oops, sorry. removed now.
+
+--
+
+Thomas
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+    <B>Charles A Edwards</B> 
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+<PRE>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:04:34 +0100 (CET)
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>  Name:		ruby
+</I>&gt;<i> -Epoch:		1
+</I>
+the devel pkg is still using the require %{epoch} which now
+is not defined.
+
+
+    Charles
+
+-- 
+Got Mole problems?  Call Avogadro at 6.02 x 10^23.
+----------------------
+Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
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+    <B>Charles A Edwards</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09kernel-tmb-3.6.5-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C20121031225329.24e609db%40SuperSize.eslrahc.com%3E"
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+<PRE>On Thu,  1 Nov 2012 02:02:25 +0100 (CET)
+tmb wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Name        : kernel-tmb                   Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 3.6.5                             Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Thu Nov  1 01:19:16 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group       : System/Kernel and
+</I>&gt;<i> hardware    Source RPM: (none) Size        :
+</I>&gt;<i> 70209353                         License: GPLv2 Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : tmb &lt;tmb&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://www.kernel.org">http://www.kernel.org</A>
+</I>
+This kernel fails to boot for me.
+
+It freezes during cpu stage
+
+(last portion before freeze)
+&quot;perf: AMD core performance detected
+AMD PMV driver
+	version:		0
+	bitwidth		48
+	generic reg		6
+	Value mask:		blah
+	max period:		blah
+	Fixed purpose events	0 
+smpboot: Booting Node , Processors #1&quot;
+
+it freezes at this point
+
+CPU is fx8150 8 core
+
+
+Both linus-2.6.5 and kernel-server-3.6.5 boot without issue.
+
+
+    Charles
+
+
+-- 
+A boy gets to be a man when a man is needed.
+		-- John Steinbeck
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+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 31 October 2012 23:29, Barry Jackson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I wrote the attached script. It checks several mirrors until it finds
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one that has the normal number of files and does not fail for any other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reason.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you feel inclined to use it please feel free to suggest any improvements.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The script was caught in one of my spam and attachment protection cript, Anomy.
+</I>&gt;<i> One of the first lines was mangled. So if you could repost that second line, I'd be gratefull.
+</I>&gt;<i> ===
+</I>&gt;<i> #!/bin/sh
+</I>&gt;<i> echo DEFANGED.266
+</I>&gt;<i> exit
+</I>&gt;<i> ===
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Oh dear :(
+It's here:-
+<A HREF="http://paste.kde.org/587408/13517591/">http://paste.kde.org/587408/13517591/</A>
+(Switch to 'raw code' view before copy/pasting)
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know actually how to create *.aac files or *.mp4 files with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia... if you help me I will be happy...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> ffmpeg -i foo.mp3 -strict -2 -codec:a aac -format adts foo.aac
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> But AFAIK this uses the ffmpeg internal aac codec which isn't very good.
+</I>&gt;<i>   -codec:a libvo_aacenc      produces garbage, no idea why
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> About arista: someone decided to use the internal ffmpeg lib from
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer-ffmpeg for gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg which broke arista. Now arista
+</I>&gt;<i> must be ported to gstreamer1.0 .
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>     Christiaan
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>So ...
+You can understand, now, if you need to create aac or mpa or mp4 files :
+that faac works
+that softwares built with it work too
+that nothing inside Mageia work (libvo_aacenc is really bad quality when
+it doesn't produce garbages)
+that we have been waiting since Mageia exists for an hypthetic GPL
+alternative to faac
+that to satisfy exclusive gpl software policy in tainted repo we are stuck
+
+What do you propose then ?
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+&gt;<i> Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know actually how to create *.aac files or *.mp4 files with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia... if you help me I will be happy...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ffmpeg -i foo.mp3 -strict -2 -codec:a aac -format adts foo.aac
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But AFAIK this uses the ffmpeg internal aac codec which isn't very good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   -codec:a libvo_aacenc      produces garbage, no idea why
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> About arista: someone decided to use the internal ffmpeg lib from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer-ffmpeg for gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg which broke arista. Now arista
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> must be ported to gstreamer1.0 .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     Christiaan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So ...
+</I>&gt;<i> You can understand, now, if you need to create aac or mpa or mp4 files :
+</I>&gt;<i> that faac works
+</I>&gt;<i> that softwares built with it work too
+</I>&gt;<i> that nothing inside Mageia work (libvo_aacenc is really bad quality when
+</I>&gt;<i> it doesn't produce garbages)
+</I>&gt;<i> that we have been waiting since Mageia exists for an hypthetic GPL
+</I>&gt;<i> alternative to faac
+</I>&gt;<i> that to satisfy exclusive gpl software policy in tainted repo we are stuck
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you propose then ?
+</I>
+After reading all arguments again I must confess that I changed my
+opinion: Being consequent and following our road we need a
+/tainted-free and a /tainted-nonfree branch.
+I apologise for my harsh words about the whole matter, the repeated
+discussion changed my mind.
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+    <B>Christiaan Welvaart</B> 
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+<PRE>On Thu, 1 Nov 2012, PhilippeDidier wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know actually how to create *.aac files or *.mp4 files with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia... if you help me I will be happy...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ffmpeg -i foo.mp3 -strict -2 -codec:a aac -format adts foo.aac
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But AFAIK this uses the ffmpeg internal aac codec which isn't very good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   -codec:a libvo_aacenc      produces garbage, no idea why
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> About arista: someone decided to use the internal ffmpeg lib from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer-ffmpeg for gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg which broke arista. Now arista
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> must be ported to gstreamer1.0 .
+</I>
+&gt;<i> You can understand, now, if you need to create aac or mpa or mp4 files :
+</I>&gt;<i> that faac works
+</I>&gt;<i> that softwares built with it work too
+</I>&gt;<i> that nothing inside Mageia work (libvo_aacenc is really bad quality when
+</I>&gt;<i> it doesn't produce garbages)
+</I>
+It is a problem with the .aac file format combined with this codec. It 
+works fine with bitrate 192kbit/s just not with anything lower. The codec 
+also works with any bitrate when output to mp4 (aka quicktime movie) 
+files. Or are you saying you do not like the audio quality of this codec?
+
+&gt;<i> What do you propose then ?
+</I>
+Try it yourself and complain to ffmpeg developers if something you need 
+doesn't work.
+
+There is now also fdk-aac which is supposed to be good. It has a special 
+license that is somewhat similar to the GPL, may be compatible or not.
+
+
+     Christiaan
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+    <B>Donald Stewart</B> 
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+That times come around again, we need to start gathering artwork for the
+next release, so we have set up a new flickr account.
+If you have any ideas for new backgrounds, screensavers, icons or the like,
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+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia3artworkdrop/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia3artworkdrop/</A>
+The licensing requirements can be seen there, but all the artwork must be
+fully licensed under CC_BY_SA 3, by submitting there then you are agreeing
+that the work is your own and that you have permission to use any other
+contributions to your work.
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+Well, we look forward to seeing what you come up with.
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+    <B>Charles A Edwards</B> 
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+tmb wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name        : kernel-tmb                   Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 3.6.5                             Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 3.mga3                        Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Thu Nov  1 12:18:15 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group       : System/Kernel and
+</I>&gt;<i> hardware    Source RPM: (none) Size        :
+</I>&gt;<i> 70264111                         License: GPLv2 Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : tmb &lt;tmb&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://www.kernel.org">http://www.kernel.org</A>
+</I>
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+This release boots without issue
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+Thanks
+
+
+    Charles
+
+-- 
+&quot;I shall expect a chemical cure for psychopathic behavior by 10 A.M.
+tomorrow, or I'll have your guts for spaghetti.&quot;
+-- a comic panel by Cotham 
+----------------------
+Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+Registered Linux user #182463
+3.6.5-tmb-server-3.mga3 x86_64
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+&gt;<i> On Thu,  1 Nov 2012 13:03:13 +0100 (CET)
+</I>&gt;<i> tmb wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : kernel-tmb                   Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 3.6.5                             Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 3.mga3                        Build Date:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group       : System/Kernel and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hardware    Source RPM: (none) Size        :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 70264111                         License: GPLv2 Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : tmb &lt;tmb&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://www.kernel.org">http://www.kernel.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This release boots without issue
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Great :)
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+<PRE>andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tuesday 30 October 2012 09:37, Malo wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - there is only faac, so why bother? (fuelling the first reason)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is also another side to this, that we either haven't talked
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about or doesn't know about. We are a Free software community, that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> includes some nonfree software. (And therefore doesn't qualify as a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Free Software community according to some, but that's another
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> debate.) A part of beeing a Free software community is that we have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> preference as to what kind of software we are willing to work with.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That also means that there are software we are not willing to work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We could decide that &#171;patented nonfree software&#187; doesn't belong in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> our distribution.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That has been our temporary decision, to the best of my knowledge always
+</I>&gt;<i> to be reviewed later.
+</I>&gt;<i> But as we can see, many users want certain packages in this category, so
+</I>&gt;<i> the topic keeps getting raised.
+</I>&gt;<i> For myself, with a very strong preference for open source, I'm very
+</I>&gt;<i> willing to accommodate those with a preference for certain non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> software.
+</I>&gt;<i> As well, there will always be proprietory software, particularly for
+</I>&gt;<i> niche situations, which is not necessarily bad.
+</I>&gt;<i> After all good ideas in proprietory software, which focuses on solving
+</I>&gt;<i> real-world needs, can inspire a lot of good free software.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+
+The choice is between 3 options :
+
+A) Let Faac off   ;)
+and stay without allowing to work on some multimedia files until an
+opensource sofware really works (that's the way it goes since Mageia exists)
+hoping that a third party repo provides what Mageia users need when they
+are not strict opensource users (nevermind to know if they are a
+majority or a minority).
+Ordinary users must know that the third repo exists and how to use it
+(not for beginners :( )
+
+
+
+B) the most simple for admins and QA
+if we allow the presence of non strictly free software in tainted
+(needing to modify the Mageia policy =&gt; that's a Mageia Board decision !
+not only a packager vote. )
+
+ if the strict opensource users can discriminate strictly opensource and
+non strictly opensource packages
+
+1)
+in the tainted repo :
+we may have faac (explicitely informing that it's build upon a non free
+piece of code)
+we may provide handbrake and cinelerra that absolutely need faac
+(explicitely informing that they have the same problem as faac because
+they are built upon it)
+
+2)
+If we can have two versions with different names in the same repo
+
+we can provide vlc-tainted (as it is now, allowing to &quot;update&quot; from the
+core repo's same version ) and beside it  vlc-tainted-faaced or
+vlc-twisted or whatever working suffix (informing that it is not
+strictly opensource, and allowing to update from the core and from the
+tainted version)
+same for avidemux gstreamer audiokonverter arista and so on
+It is simple for ordinary users or beginners: the faac versioned is
+automatically chosen
+Strict opensource users know what to do if they want purity !
+
+
+C) More heavy for admin and QA : create a non-free-tainted repo (and
+update backport subrepos)
+Always need to add a special suffix for vlc, avidemux... built with faac
+option in this repo, to &quot;update&quot; them from core and tainted version :
+- strict opensource users may not allow this repo... and it is simple
+for them
+- need to inform ordinary users to allow these repos and why (a little
+complex for beginners)
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+ From ~/cronsync_error.log :-
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+01/11/2012-14:05: Only 79199/141855 files in 
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+    <B>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m</B> 
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+clone the idea of OpenSuse Studio, but I wonder if anyone here would 
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+    <B>PhilippeDidier</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 1 Nov 2012, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know actually how to create *.aac files or *.mp4 files with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia... if you help me I will be happy...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ffmpeg -i foo.mp3 -strict -2 -codec:a aac -format adts foo.aac
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But AFAIK this uses the ffmpeg internal aac codec which isn't very good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   -codec:a libvo_aacenc      produces garbage, no idea why
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> About arista: someone decided to use the internal ffmpeg lib from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer-ffmpeg for gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg which broke arista. Now arista
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> must be ported to gstreamer1.0 .
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can understand, now, if you need to create aac or mpa or mp4 files :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that faac works
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that softwares built with it work too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that nothing inside Mageia work (libvo_aacenc is really bad quality when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it doesn't produce garbages)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It is a problem with the .aac file format combined with this codec. It
+</I>&gt;<i> works fine with bitrate 192kbit/s just not with anything lower. The
+</I>&gt;<i> codec also works with any bitrate when output to mp4 (aka quicktime
+</I>&gt;<i> movie) files. Or are you saying you do not like the audio quality of
+</I>&gt;<i> this codec?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What do you propose then ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Try it yourself and complain to ffmpeg developers if something you need
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> There is now also fdk-aac which is supposed to be good. It has a special
+</I>&gt;<i> license that is somewhat similar to the GPL, may be compatible or not.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>     Christiaan
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Yes fdk-aac replaces now vo-aacenc !
+I'm trying to build a package for fdk-aac-0.1.0. ;)
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+&gt;<i> Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 1 Nov 2012, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know actually how to create *.aac files or *.mp4 files with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia... if you help me I will be happy...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ffmpeg -i foo.mp3 -strict -2 -codec:a aac -format adts foo.aac
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But AFAIK this uses the ffmpeg internal aac codec which isn't very good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   -codec:a libvo_aacenc      produces garbage, no idea why
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> About arista: someone decided to use the internal ffmpeg lib from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer-ffmpeg for gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg which broke arista. Now arista
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> must be ported to gstreamer1.0 .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You can understand, now, if you need to create aac or mpa or mp4 files :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that faac works
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that softwares built with it work too
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that nothing inside Mageia work (libvo_aacenc is really bad quality when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it doesn't produce garbages)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is a problem with the .aac file format combined with this codec. It
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> works fine with bitrate 192kbit/s just not with anything lower. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> codec also works with any bitrate when output to mp4 (aka quicktime
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> movie) files. Or are you saying you do not like the audio quality of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this codec?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do you propose then ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Try it yourself and complain to ffmpeg developers if something you need
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> doesn't work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is now also fdk-aac which is supposed to be good. It has a special
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> license that is somewhat similar to the GPL, may be compatible or not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>It is not so clear :
+<A HREF="http://opencore-amr.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=opencore-amr/fdk-aac;a=blob;f=NOTICE">http://opencore-amr.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=opencore-amr/fdk-aac;a=blob;f=NOTICE</A>
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>     Christiaan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes fdk-aac replaces now vo-aacenc !
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm trying to build a package for fdk-aac-0.1.0. ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I did it ...
+Proposed a spec file and a patch
+see bugzilla bug 7951
+
+It may now  be used for building ffmpeg (ready for this)
+vlc (soon)
+not yet for mplayer nor avidemux :(
+
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+On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> After reading all arguments again I must confess that I changed my
+</I>&gt;<i> opinion: Being consequent and following our road we need a
+</I>&gt;<i> /tainted-free and a /tainted-nonfree branch.
+</I>
+I still think this would be a very user-*un*friendly way to handle it.
+
+You cannot put packages that itself is &quot;free&quot;, but depends on
+&quot;tainted&amp;nonfree&quot; packages into the &quot;free&quot; repo, since the core repos
+need to be self-contained.
+
+The natural approach would then be to put that package into the same
+repo as the packages that fulfill the requirement.
+
+If now you have two tainted repositories, one &quot;free&quot; and one
+&quot;non-free&quot;, you would put the &quot;free with dependencies&quot; package into
+the tainted-free repo. But it itself isn't tainted, so actually
+wouldn't belong in there. But even when you have tainted-free enabled,
+and you try to install the package, you need to enable the
+tainted-nonfree one.
+Or you put it into tainted-nonfree to keep the repos more
+self-contained, but then the distinction is rendered useless, as
+packages end up there for completely different reasons.
+
+And if you have to enable both tainted variants anyway, there is no
+point in having them separate in the first place other than to please
+some bureaucratic nitpicking.
+
+So by creating a tainted-nonfree repo that only a handful of packages
+actually belong into anyway, you create a situation of non-satisfiable
+dependencies that make the distinction pointless from a user-POV.
+
+Much better would then be to create an &quot;ugly&quot; repo (in the spirit of
+gstreamer) that contains the &quot;doesn't fit into the other repos&quot; stuff.
+
+AFAIK only multimedia related stuff falls into tainted-nonfree. And it
+is either you want to use it or not. If you want to use it, the user
+doesn't care whether it is free or nonfree (by whatever definition,
+there isn't the one-and-only definition that everyone agrees with
+anyway). You only might care about whether it is tainted or not (and
+many don't give a damn about software patents even where they could
+apply in theory). It is not like you have a chance in most of these
+cases. Either you use a &quot;100% free but sucks&quot; implementation, or you
+use the &quot;tainted and possibly &quot;nonfree&quot;, but working just fine&quot; one.
+
+ciao
+Christian
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+    <B>Barry Jackson</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Why do you have both &#171;--delete-after&#187; and &#171; --delete&#187;?
+</I>&gt;<i> The last one is redundant, and should be dropped. :-)=
+</I>
+Thanks, I missed the &quot;(which is  implied)&quot; in the man pages.
+
+There was a useful file error (fixed now) in distrib-coffee after it 
+completed syncing that threw up another small error reporting bug in the 
+script which I have fixed here:
+
+<A HREF="http://paste.kde.org/588050/02691135/">http://paste.kde.org/588050/02691135/</A>
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+See how it goes :)
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi Wolfgang, *,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After reading all arguments again I must confess that I changed my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> opinion: Being consequent and following our road we need a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /tainted-free and a /tainted-nonfree branch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I still think this would be a very user-*un*friendly way to handle it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You cannot put packages that itself is &quot;free&quot;, but depends on
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;tainted&amp;nonfree&quot; packages into the &quot;free&quot; repo, since the core repos
+</I>&gt;<i> need to be self-contained.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The natural approach would then be to put that package into the same
+</I>&gt;<i> repo as the packages that fulfill the requirement.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If now you have two tainted repositories, one &quot;free&quot; and one
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;non-free&quot;, you would put the &quot;free with dependencies&quot; package into
+</I>&gt;<i> the tainted-free repo. But it itself isn't tainted, so actually
+</I>&gt;<i> wouldn't belong in there. But even when you have tainted-free enabled,
+</I>&gt;<i> and you try to install the package, you need to enable the
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted-nonfree one.
+</I>&gt;<i> Or you put it into tainted-nonfree to keep the repos more
+</I>&gt;<i> self-contained, but then the distinction is rendered useless, as
+</I>&gt;<i> packages end up there for completely different reasons.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And if you have to enable both tainted variants anyway, there is no
+</I>&gt;<i> point in having them separate in the first place other than to please
+</I>&gt;<i> some bureaucratic nitpicking.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So by creating a tainted-nonfree repo that only a handful of packages
+</I>&gt;<i> actually belong into anyway, you create a situation of non-satisfiable
+</I>&gt;<i> dependencies that make the distinction pointless from a user-POV.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Much better would then be to create an &quot;ugly&quot; repo (in the spirit of
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer) that contains the &quot;doesn't fit into the other repos&quot; stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> AFAIK only multimedia related stuff falls into tainted-nonfree. And it
+</I>&gt;<i> is either you want to use it or not. If you want to use it, the user
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't care whether it is free or nonfree (by whatever definition,
+</I>&gt;<i> there isn't the one-and-only definition that everyone agrees with
+</I>&gt;<i> anyway). You only might care about whether it is tainted or not (and
+</I>&gt;<i> many don't give a damn about software patents even where they could
+</I>&gt;<i> apply in theory). It is not like you have a chance in most of these
+</I>&gt;<i> cases. Either you use a &quot;100% free but sucks&quot; implementation, or you
+</I>&gt;<i> use the &quot;tainted and possibly &quot;nonfree&quot;, but working just fine&quot; one.
+</I>
+Taking what you wrote into account there is no chance for a solution
+which also honors the division between free, non-free and tainted, at
+least non of the propositions in this thread would work. Because as
+you described the problem is not with each software but rather with
+its requirements (free software needing a non-free or tainted library
+to run or offer all its features).
+
+So what can we do? What do users want in such cases? First they do not
+want crippled packages. If they decide to have mplayer they want the
+whole thing, not a free variant which lacks features. They'd rather
+not want mplayer at all.
+
+Answering to this there may be a rather pragmatic but also drastic and
+even provocative solution: Stop offering software in core which need
+non-free and/or tainted libraries to give all its features. This
+software should not be offered in 2 or even 3 variants but only in one
+full version, residing in an &quot;ugly&quot; (or whatever you want to call it)
+repository.
+Yes, there may be people who would like to use mplayer without
+non-free or tainted libraries - but are there really? To my experience
+they either use the full blown package or another software.
+
+This solution may not hold against theoretical arguments but I think
+it's pretty much the practical way, for users as for packagers. And it
+will motivate people to search for free solutions where possible.
+
+-- 
+wobo
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+    <B>Olivier Blin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi Wolfgang, *,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After reading all arguments again I must confess that I changed my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> opinion: Being consequent and following our road we need a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /tainted-free and a /tainted-nonfree branch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I still think this would be a very user-*un*friendly way to handle it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You cannot put packages that itself is &quot;free&quot;, but depends on
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;tainted&amp;nonfree&quot; packages into the &quot;free&quot; repo, since the core repos
+</I>&gt;<i> need to be self-contained.
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> Much better would then be to create an &quot;ugly&quot; repo (in the spirit of
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer) that contains the &quot;doesn't fit into the other repos&quot; stuff.
+</I>
+That's just a naming issue then, are you just suggesting to rename the
+&quot;tainted-nonfree&quot; repository proposal as &quot;ugly&quot;?
+This crossed my mind too, but the name is less understandable by users
+not necessarily familiar with the gstreamer naming.
+
+If we go for the &quot;tainted + nonfree&quot; way, its definition should be that
+it contains packages that:
+(1) are both tainted and not free software
+or
+(2) packages having a hard requirement on packages from (1)
+
+-- 
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>On 01/11/12 20:51, Barry Jackson wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See how it goes :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Last update - honest - added proper file lock as the existing method was 
+flakey - it's finished and I'm leaving it alone now :)
+Attached and also here:-
+<A HREF="http://paste.kde.org/588158/12522135/">http://paste.kde.org/588158/12522135/</A>
+
+-------------- next part --------------
+#!/bin/bash
+# ~/cronsync by barjac
+# Run with e.g. crontab:- 30 * * * *	$HOME/cronsync
+# Set using crontab -e
+###################
+# List of mirrors in preference order to use:-
+mymirrors=( \
+&quot;<A HREF="rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib">rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib</A>&quot; \
+&quot;<A HREF="rsync://ftp.LinuxCabal.org/Mageia/distrib">rsync://ftp.LinuxCabal.org/Mageia/distrib</A>&quot; \
+&quot;<A HREF="rsync://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/mageia/distrib">rsync://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/mageia/distrib</A>&quot; \
+&quot;<A HREF="rsync://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mageia/distrib">rsync://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mageia/distrib</A>&quot; \
+&quot;<A HREF="rsync://mirrors.kernel.org:/mirrors/mageia/distrib">rsync://mirrors.kernel.org:/mirrors/mageia/distrib</A>&quot; \
+&quot;<A HREF="rsync://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia/distrib">rsync://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia/distrib</A>&quot; \
+)
+# Set limit for loss of # of files on server before it is skipped
+allowdropfiles=100
+###################
+# Personal config:-
+myexcludes=&quot;--exclude=debug --exclude=SRPMS --exclude=barjac&quot;
+mydestination=&quot;/zmrepo/pub/linux/Mageia/&quot;
+###################
+
+# Set minimum files for first run only
+[[ -f .cronsync ]] || echo &quot;140000&quot; &gt; $HOME/.cronsync
+# Get minimum file count for mirror (set at allowdropfiles files less than the last actual file count)
+minfiles=$(cat .cronsync)
+((actualfiles = $minfiles + $allowdropfiles))
+
+# Function to output formatted date
+dte()
+{
+echo -n $(date +%d/%m/%Y-%H:%M)
+}
+
+# Check a mirror
+chk_mirror()
+{
+echo &quot;Checking $1 ...&quot;
+rsync -rlptgoDhHSn \
+--stats \
+--delete-after \
+--delete-excluded \
+--protect-args \
+$myexcludes \
+&quot;$1&quot; \
+&quot;$mydestination&quot; &gt; $lockdir/cronsync_tmp_output
+status=$?
+files=$(cat $lockdir/cronsync_tmp_output | grep &quot;Number of files:&quot; | cut -d' ' -f4 )
+[[ $files -lt $minfiles ]] &amp;&amp; echo &quot;$(dte): Only $files/$actualfiles files in $1&quot; | tee -a $HOME/cronsync_error.log
+[[ $status &gt; 0 ]] &amp;&amp; echo &quot;$(dte): Error: $status while checking $1&quot; | tee -a $HOME/cronsync_error.log
+([[ $status = 0 ]] &amp;&amp; [[ $files -gt $minfiles ]]) || return 1
+# Save new minimum file count
+((minfiles = $files - $allowdropfiles))
+echo $minfiles &gt; $HOME/.cronsync
+return 0
+}
+
+# Loop through mirror list checking until one succeeds
+find_good_mirror()
+{
+for mirr in ${mymirrors[@]}; do
+chk_mirror $mirr &amp;&amp; { echo &quot;Found good mirror - $mirr&quot;; return 0; }
+done
+echo &quot;$(dte): Can't find a good mirror - aborting&quot; | tee -a $HOME/cronsync_error.log
+return 1
+}
+################### Main routine starts here
+# Avoid running two instances concurrently
+lockdir=/tmp/cronsync.lock
+if mkdir &quot;$lockdir&quot;; then
+trap 'rm -rf &quot;$lockdir&quot;' 0
+
+# Find a good mirror from the list (with files in it)
+find_good_mirror || exit 1
+
+# Live run with --max-delete set to 1000 just in case ;)
+echo &quot;Syncing from $mirr ...&quot;
+rsync -rlptgoDhHS \
+--progress \
+--stats \
+--delete-after \
+--max-delete=1000 \
+--delete-excluded \
+--protect-args \
+$myexcludes \
+&quot;$mirr&quot; \
+&quot;$mydestination&quot; | tee $HOME/cronsync_last.log
+status=${PIPESTATUS[0]}
+[[ $status = 0 ]] || { echo &quot;$(dte): Live run rsync error: $status&quot; &gt;&gt; $HOME/cronsync_error.log; exit 1; }
+echo &quot;Update complete&quot;
+else
+echo &quot;$(dte): cronsync already running or stale lock - skipping update - check /tmp/cronsync.lock&quot; &gt;&gt; $HOME/cronsync_error.log
+exit 0
+fi
+################### End of cronsync
+
+
+
+
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+    <B>Christian Lohmaier</B> 
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+
+On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Christian Lohmaier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lohmaier+mageia at googlemail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> After reading all arguments again I must confess that I changed my
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> opinion: Being consequent and following our road we need a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /tainted-free and a /tainted-nonfree branch.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I still think this would be a very user-*un*friendly way to handle it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Much better would then be to create an &quot;ugly&quot; repo (in the spirit of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer) that contains the &quot;doesn't fit into the other repos&quot; stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's just a naming issue then, are you just suggesting to rename the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;tainted-nonfree&quot; repository proposal as &quot;ugly&quot;?
+</I>
+No - my point was that I think a split of tainted into tainted-free
+and tainted-nonfree is pointless and not user-friendly.
+I only want one repository for the &quot;problematic&quot; stuff.
+
+Not naming it &quot;tainted&quot; is just because what ends up there is not only
+stuff that really is tainted, but also packages that just depend on
+tainted ones.
+
+&gt;<i> If we go for the &quot;tainted + nonfree&quot; way, its definition should be that
+</I>&gt;<i> it contains packages that:
+</I>&gt;<i> (1) are both tainted and not free software
+</I>&gt;<i> or
+</I>&gt;<i> (2) packages having a hard requirement on packages from (1)
+</I>
+See - and that from my POV is pointless. so the tainted+nonfree
+contains a happy mixture of tainted and non-tainted, all variants of
+free to tainted-nonfree.
+
+I just don't see the point in splitting &quot;tainted&quot; repo that way (other
+than that bureaucratic thing that I as a user think is superfluous)
+
+ciao
+Christian
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+    <B>Thomas Spuhler</B> 
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+    <I>Fri Nov  2 04:14:53 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Oden:
+You packaged apache-mod_nss on Mandriva long ago and I imported it into cauldron
+A couple of questions:
+Why did you convert libmodnss.so to mod_nss.so
+Then in /etc/httpd/modules.d/40_mod_nss.conf
+you add 
++LoadModule nss_module modules/libmodnss.so
+
+Now there is no such thing as libmodnss.so
+
+I am just trying to understand this.
+
+-- 
+Best regards
+Thomas Spuhler
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+<PRE>I opened a bug @ <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7953">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7953</A>
+
+Long story short:
+
+I'm using KDE + some GTK apps that have blinking icons (XChat, Pidgin).
+When those icons are blinking, X will start to leak memory (~100MB per
+day, sometimes more). And i have no idea how to trace this leak :/
+
+It seems to have no connection with Graphics Card, i can reproduce it
+with Intel and Nvidia (both drivers, nvidia and nouveau).
+
+I'm having that bug on mga2, if someone can test it on cauldron too it
+would be great. And all ideas on how to trace this weirdness are also
+very welcome!
+
+Thanks!
+
+-- 
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 1 novembre 2012 20:14:53 Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Oden:
+</I>&gt;<i> You packaged apache-mod_nss on Mandriva long ago and I imported it into
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron A couple of questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> Why did you convert libmodnss.so to mod_nss.so
+</I>&gt;<i> Then in /etc/httpd/modules.d/40_mod_nss.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> you add
+</I>&gt;<i> +LoadModule nss_module modules/libmodnss.so
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Now there is no such thing as libmodnss.so
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I am just trying to understand this.
+</I>
+oden tell me that this is now fixed with rev 312552
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 02:16:31AM +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Consider Friday 2nd Oct 2012 as 21.00 UTC as a &quot;soft freeze&quot; for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; avoiding breakages until alpha3 is released...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok!
+</I>
+I've disabled the auto submission of ftp.gnome.org stuff for now.
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+    <B>Maurice Batey</B> 
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+<PRE>Trying an MCC S/w update for Mageia-3-Alpha2 today, there is a
+broadcom-wl-kernel update that causes an odd 'cannot do' clash:
+
+--------------------------------------------  
+  &quot;The following package cannot be selected:
+   
+broadcom-wl-kernel-desktop-latest-5.100.82.112-48.mga3.nonfree.x86_64 
+   (due to conflcts with:
+broadcom-wl-kernel-3.6.5-desktop-1.mga3-5.100.82.112-48.mga3.nonfree.
+x86_64)&quot;
+-------------------------------------------
+
+        Same message w.r.t. broadcom-wl-kernel-netbook-latest.....
+
+But there is no &quot;3.6.5&quot; anything installed (according to MCC/SW)!   
+  
+   ('uname -a' shows &quot;3.6.4-netbook....&quot;)
+
+Something seems awry here...
+
+-- 
+/\/\aurice 
+	(Retired in Surrey, UK)     
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+    <B>Yannick</B> 
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+
+Can you add the MTP (Media Transport Protocol) Support in Mageia 2 and 3 ?
+This support is needed to copy files from/to PC with Mageia OS from/to Android smartphones or tablets.
+
+More infos about this feature here : <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:MTP_%28Media_Transport_Protocol%29_Support">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:MTP_%28Media_Transport_Protocol%29_Support</A>
+
+Note : mageia *.spec file and script for automount are already available here :
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7638">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7638</A>
+
+Best regards
+
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+<PRE>On Friday 02 November 2012 16:07, Yannick wrote:
+&gt;<i> Can you add the MTP (Media Transport Protocol) Support in Mageia 2 and 3 ?
+</I>
+It's to late for mageia 2, it's already released. And backports aren't open yet.
+
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+<PRE>On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 10:36:35AM +0200, Sander Lepik wrote:
+&gt;<i> I'm having that bug on mga2, if someone can test it on cauldron too it
+</I>&gt;<i> would be great. And all ideas on how to trace this weirdness are also
+</I>&gt;<i> very welcome!
+</I>
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+<PRE>Here's the current list.  I fixed the ones I could from the old list, some still remain, some new ones are here.  Help is needed for all of them.
+
+If anyone can help with LibreOffice or Java stuff that'd be great, since our maintainer has been off IRC and bugzilla for a few weeks now.
+
+I've tagged each of these with the versions affected, so hopefully that's helpful.
+
+Since the council is in such a hurry to retire Mageia 1, this is the last chance to get any of these fixed there.
+
+Also, Manuel pointed out a bugzilla search that will typically contain most of these.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=comp:secu+-@qa-b">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=comp:secu+-@qa-b</A>
+
+......... updated initial message below ........
+
+There are several packages that need security updates that either have not been built yet, or there are some issues that need help and/or input from packagers.
+
+Please help out with these where you can.
+
+I'll try to organize these into categories and give a little info on them so it's easy to see if you can and want to help.
+
+Web apps
+--------
+mediawiki [mga1+mga2] - versions we have are at or nearing EOL upstream, probably should be updated.  Oliver Burger is working on this.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448</A>
+
+drupal [mga1] - update built, issues found by QA need fixing on Mageia 1.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844</A>
+
+webmin [mga1+mga2+cauldron] - security issue fixed upstream in 1.600, package has other bugs too
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7803">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7803</A>
+
+zabbix [mga2+cauldron] - issues fixed in 1.8.15 upstream, two possible patches linked in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7277">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7277</A>
+
+otrs [mga2] - issue fixed in 3.1.10
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7527">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7527</A>
+
+glpi [mga1+mga2] - issue fixed in 0.83.3, no backported patch is available that I'm aware of
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6762">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6762</A>
+
+GNOME software
+--------------
+empathy [mga1] - XSS issues fixed upstream in 3.2.1 (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7008">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7008</A>
+
+libvirt [mga1+mga2+cauldron] - patches available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6526">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6526</A>
+
+libgnomesu [mga1+mga2+cauldron] - re-diffing the patch might be non-trivial since OpenSuSE has many other patches too
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7068">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7068</A>
+
+gjs [mga1] - doesn't rebuild against xulrunner in Mageia 1, but doesn't seem to be used by anything
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382</A>
+
+Games
+-----
+openarena, alienarena [mga1+mga2] - affected by DoS bug in quake3 engine.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5496">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5496</A>
+
+ioquake3 [mga1] - update candidate for Mageia 1 has issues that still need to be fixed
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6997">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6997</A>
+
+Java-related
+------------
+tomcat5 [mga1] - minor packaging issue found by QA needs fixed on Mageia 1
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3099">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3099</A>
+
+jruby [mga2+cauldron] - fixed upstream in 1.6.5.1
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6742">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6742</A>
+
+poi [mga1+mga2+cauldron] - Some updates for this have been built, others are still needed
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6011">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6011</A>
+
+apache-commons-compress [mga1+mga2] - Mageia 2 update done, needs Mageia 1 update
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331</A>
+
+apache-commons-daemon [mga1] - fixed upstream in 1.0.7 (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7004">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7004</A>
+
+Ruby-related
+------------
+Several security issues, one possible packaging issue [mga1+mga2+cauldron]
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6487">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6487</A>
+
+No response has been received from packagers yet
+------------------------------------------------
+libreoffice [mga1+mga2+cauldron] - possibly a patch available from Debian
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7949">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7949</A>
+
+erlang [mga1] - issue fixed in R14B03 (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7062">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7062</A>
+
+fuse [mga1] - patches available from RedHat (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7063">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7063</A>
+
+libvoikko [mga1] - issue fixed in 3.2.1 (only Mageia 1 is affected)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7067">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7067</A>
+
+abrt/libreport/btparser [mga1+mga2+cauldron] - should probably be upgraded to newer versions available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6523">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6523</A>
+
+In progress (help needed to finish)
+-----------------------------------
+xen [mga1+mga2+cauldron] - more patches need applied in Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 branches
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931</A>
+
+transmission [mga1] - patch is non-trivial to rediff on Mageia 1, backport doesn't quite build
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7590">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7590</A>
+
+openafs [mga1+mga2] - pam_afs is missing from the current build in updates_testing
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7085">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7085</A>
+
+munin [mga1+mga2] - issue fixed upstream in 2.0.6
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7591">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7591</A>
+
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+    <B>Richard Couture</B> 
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+    <I>Fri Nov  2 19:59:06 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>I was working with ldap the today and could not find the lat graphical 
+interface.
+
+neither urpmq -a ldap nor urpmq -a lat yeilds any helpful info
+
+I note that the program IS available in mandriva and the package is 
+called lat-2....rpm
+
+Any hints???
+
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+Richard
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+<PRE>Hello,
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+As some of you have noticed, I'm currently updating ruby* to 1.9.x.
+
+During the rebuilding of existing gems, I've found that
+mageia-maintainers-database is requiring old version of ruby-rails and
+ruby-cgi.
+
+There is currently no maintainer of mageia-maintainers-database, and
+there is noway to make ruby-cgi compatible with ruby 1.9. Which means,
+ruby-cgi annd mageia-maintainers-database would be probably unable to
+install thus won't working in mga3.
+
+If there is no real maintainer of mageia-maintainers-database, the
+package might be dropped eventually. So, call for updating
+mageia-maintainers-database.
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+Regards.
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+    <B>Jehan Pag&#232;s</B> 
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+    <I>Sat Nov  3 12:14:30 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+I noticed we propose only the Jack2 package, but no Jack1. Yet Jack2 is
+simply another implementation in C++ of the Jack protocol, and not a newer
+version (as the official website also states clearly:
+<A HREF="http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2">http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2</A> ).
+
+Plus I had a very annoying bug with Ardour when using Jack2, and people on
+Ardour mailing list told me it was a known issue with Jack2 (both Ardour
+and Jack2 were installed from the Mageia 2 packages). I compiled Jack1, and
+it indeed fixed the issue.
+
+So I am thinking on proposing a spec for Jack1.
+
+But then I have questions:
+
+1/ How should I name this package? The jack2 package is named &quot;jackit&quot; and
+I have no idea where you got that from (I guess this is a shorter name for
+&quot;Jack Audio Connection Kit&quot;, but should we really change package names this
+way? It is not that long). The official alternative name of Jack2 is
+&quot;jackdmp&quot; (see README here: <A HREF="https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2">https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2</A> ). I saw
+nowhere else this &quot;jackit&quot; naming.
+
+So I am questioning the naming of this existing package, and would like to
+propose some rename along with a new name for a Jack1 package.
+Maybe simply &quot;jack1&quot; and &quot;jack2&quot;? Or &quot;jack&quot; and &quot;jackdmp&quot;?
+
+2/ How should the virtual dependency be named?
+The existing &quot;jackit&quot; spec provides a &quot;jackit-devel&quot; and a &quot;libjack-devel&quot;.
+
+I think that none of the names are really fit IMO. First jackit for the
+same reason as before (I don't see where this name comes from), also
+libjack (and the -devel suffix) because this kit is not *only* a library
+(there are also the jackd daemon, tools, etc.).
+
+I propose simply &quot;jack&quot; as virtual package name.
+
+How does this sound?
+Thanks.
+
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+    <B>Matteo Pasotti</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Rebuilding drakx-installer-stage2">matteo.pasotti at gmail.com
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+Hello,
+a rebuild of drakx-installer-stage2 is needed against the new
+drakx-installer-help-3.1-1 I recently pushed on the bs. I'm not the
+drakx-installer-stage2 maintainer so I'm here to ask if I'm authorized
+to go on submitting drakx-installer-stage2 to the bs or not (or if I
+have to respect a specific procedure).
+
+Thank you in advance.
+
+Regards,
+
+Matteo
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> a rebuild of drakx-installer-stage2 is needed against the new
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx-installer-help-3.1-1 I recently pushed on the bs. I'm not the
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx-installer-stage2 maintainer so I'm here to ask if I'm authorized
+</I>&gt;<i> to go on submitting drakx-installer-stage2 to the bs or not (or if I
+</I>&gt;<i> have to respect a specific procedure).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you in advance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+a simple rebuild is almost always always ok.
+
+it's more when one do changes and create a new tarball from /soft
+there  should be extra precautions so there is no WIP going on just
+then...
+
+Note that ennael will release a new stage2 soon for Mga3 alpha3
+artwork too, so the rebuild will be done then this time :)
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+<PRE>Jehan Pag&#232;s a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I noticed we propose only the Jack2 package, but no Jack1. Yet Jack2 is
+</I>&gt;<i> simply another implementation in C++ of the Jack protocol, and not a
+</I>&gt;<i> newer version (as the official website also states clearly:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2">http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2</A> ).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Plus I had a very annoying bug with Ardour when using Jack2, and people
+</I>&gt;<i> on Ardour mailing list told me it was a known issue with Jack2 (both
+</I>&gt;<i> Ardour and Jack2 were installed from the Mageia 2 packages). I compiled
+</I>&gt;<i> Jack1, and it indeed fixed the issue.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So I am thinking on proposing a spec for Jack1.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> But then I have questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 1/ How should I name this package? The jack2 package is named &quot;jackit&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> and I have no idea where you got that from (I guess this is a shorter
+</I>&gt;<i> name for &quot;Jack Audio Connection Kit&quot;, but should we really change
+</I>&gt;<i> package names this way? 
+</I>&gt;<i> It is not that long). The official alternative
+</I>&gt;<i> name of Jack2 is &quot;jackdmp&quot; (see README here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2">https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2</A> ). I saw nowhere else this &quot;jackit&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> naming.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>We inherit this from Mandrake : in the early years of Mandrake a jack
+package already existed but it had nothing to do with JACK (Jack Audio
+Connexion Kit) : it was a console frontend for cd rippers, still
+provided in Mageia...
+
+When JACK was imported into Mandrake it had to be given an other name...
+so jackit !!!
+There was a tonic controversy on Mandrake forum about this in 2003 or
+2004 year.
+Mandrake and then Mandriva and and then Mageia are the only
+distributions calling JACK package &quot;jackit&quot; ....
+&gt;<i> So I am questioning the naming of this existing package, and would like
+</I>&gt;<i> to propose some rename along with a new name for a Jack1 package.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe simply &quot;jack1&quot; and &quot;jack2&quot;? Or &quot;jack&quot; and &quot;jackdmp&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 2/ How should the virtual dependency be named?
+</I>&gt;<i> The existing &quot;jackit&quot; spec provides a &quot;jackit-devel&quot; and a &quot;libjack-devel&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that none of the names are really fit IMO. First jackit for the
+</I>&gt;<i> same reason as before (I don't see where this name comes from), also
+</I>&gt;<i> libjack (and the -devel suffix) because this kit is not *only* a library
+</I>&gt;<i> (there are also the jackd daemon, tools, etc.).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I propose simply &quot;jack&quot; as virtual package name.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> How does this sound?
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Jehan
+</I>Not simple because of this context ...
+If you want to call JACK jack you need to remove first the existing jack
+from the repo, and to modify the spec for every package requiring jackit
+now, to make them require jack if it is the new package name for JACK .
+
+Post Scriptum : Reading this I don't know if my explanation  is clear
+enough ...
+A key to understand what I wrote :
+&quot;jack&quot; is the name of a package (whatever its content is)
+&quot;jackit&quot; is the name of a package
+&quot;JACK&quot; is the recursive acronym (Jack Audio Connexion Kit) of the
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+fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name        : ruby                         Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 1.9.3.p286                        Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 5.mga3                        Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Thu Nov  1 03:49:41 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: jonund.mageia.org Group       :
+</I>&gt;<i> Development/Ruby              Source RPM: (none) Size        :
+</I>&gt;<i> 10015275                         License: Ruby or GPLv2 Signature   :
+</I>&gt;<i> (none) Packager    : fwang &lt;fwang&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://www.ruby-lang.org/">http://www.ruby-lang.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary     : Object Oriented Script Language
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Ruby is the interpreted scripting language for quick and
+</I>&gt;<i> easy object-oriented programming.  It has many features to
+</I>&gt;<i> process text files and to do system management tasks (as in
+</I>&gt;<i> Perl).  It is simple, straight-forward, and extensible.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1.9.3.p286-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 311925
+</I>&gt;<i> - drop epoch
+</I>&gt;<i> - update file list
+</I>&gt;<i> - disable bootstrap build
+</I>
+Could you add some conflicts for smooth upgrade?
+
+Installation failed:
+file /usr/bin/irb from install of ruby-irb-1.9.3.p286-5.mga3.noarch
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+    <B>John Pate</B> 
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+ From: Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">kristoffer.grundstrom1983 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A> 
+Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 2:36 PM
+Subject: [Mageia-dev] What's happening?
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+I'm confident that a lot of people would like to see the possibility to clone the idea of OpenSuse Studio, but I wonder if anyone here would start to make it happen.
+
+Read my suggestion-report at the bottom of this page here: <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_Ideas_Page">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_Ideas_Page</A>
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+    <B>Jehan Pag&#232;s</B> 
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+On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM, PhilippeDidier
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Jehan Pag&#232;s a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I noticed we propose only the Jack2 package, but no Jack1. Yet Jack2 is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; simply another implementation in C++ of the Jack protocol, and not a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; newer version (as the official website also states clearly:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2">http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2</A> ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Plus I had a very annoying bug with Ardour when using Jack2, and people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on Ardour mailing list told me it was a known issue with Jack2 (both
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ardour and Jack2 were installed from the Mageia 2 packages). I compiled
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Jack1, and it indeed fixed the issue.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So I am thinking on proposing a spec for Jack1.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But then I have questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1/ How should I name this package? The jack2 package is named &quot;jackit&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and I have no idea where you got that from (I guess this is a shorter
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; name for &quot;Jack Audio Connection Kit&quot;, but should we really change
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; package names this way?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It is not that long). The official alternative
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; name of Jack2 is &quot;jackdmp&quot; (see README here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2">https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2</A> ). I saw nowhere else this &quot;jackit&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; naming.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> We inherit this from Mandrake : in the early years of Mandrake a jack
+</I>&gt;<i> package already existed but it had nothing to do with JACK (Jack Audio
+</I>&gt;<i> Connexion Kit) : it was a console frontend for cd rippers, still
+</I>&gt;<i> provided in Mageia...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When JACK was imported into Mandrake it had to be given an other name...
+</I>&gt;<i> so jackit !!!
+</I>&gt;<i> There was a tonic controversy on Mandrake forum about this in 2003 or
+</I>&gt;<i> 2004 year.
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandrake and then Mandriva and and then Mageia are the only
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions calling JACK package &quot;jackit&quot; ....
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So I am questioning the naming of this existing package, and would like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to propose some rename along with a new name for a Jack1 package.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe simply &quot;jack1&quot; and &quot;jack2&quot;? Or &quot;jack&quot; and &quot;jackdmp&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2/ How should the virtual dependency be named?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The existing &quot;jackit&quot; spec provides a &quot;jackit-devel&quot; and a
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;libjack-devel&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think that none of the names are really fit IMO. First jackit for the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; same reason as before (I don't see where this name comes from), also
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libjack (and the -devel suffix) because this kit is not *only* a library
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (there are also the jackd daemon, tools, etc.).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I propose simply &quot;jack&quot; as virtual package name.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How does this sound?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Jehan
+</I>&gt;<i> Not simple because of this context ...
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to call JACK jack you need to remove first the existing jack
+</I>&gt;<i> from the repo, and to modify the spec for every package requiring jackit
+</I>&gt;<i> now, to make them require jack if it is the new package name for JACK .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Post Scriptum : Reading this I don't know if my explanation  is clear
+</I>&gt;<i> enough ...
+</I>&gt;<i> A key to understand what I wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;jack&quot; is the name of a package (whatever its content is)
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;jackit&quot; is the name of a package
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;JACK&quot; is the recursive acronym (Jack Audio Connexion Kit) of the
+</I>&gt;<i> software you are talking about
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ok I understood the deal.
+I would personally prefer even a longer package name like
+jack-audio-connection-kit. Mageia would gain from having clearer naming.
+Especially if we add the Jack1 alternative.
+
+Now if this is a big deal, and it generates a controversy again, it is not
+that a big deal. The question thus is: how do I call Jack1 package then?
+And can I say that this new package &quot;Provides: jackit&quot; so that it works as
+an alternative to Jack2 (for instance for Ardour)?
+Thanks.
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+    <B>PhilippeDidier</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Ok I understood the deal.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would personally prefer even a longer package name like
+</I>&gt;<i> jack-audio-connection-kit. Mageia would gain from having clearer naming.
+</I>&gt;<i> Especially if we add the Jack1 alternative.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Now if this is a big deal, and it generates a controversy again, it is
+</I>&gt;<i> not that a big deal. The question thus is: how do I call Jack1 package
+</I>&gt;<i> then? And can I say that this new package &quot;Provides: jackit&quot; so that it
+</I>&gt;<i> works as an alternative to Jack2 (for instance for Ardour)?
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Jehan
+</I>I think you may ask jackit maintainer : dexter morgan
+and Ardour maintainer (it was shikamaru... don't know now !)
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 02/11/12 19:59 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I was working with ldap the today and could not find the lat graphical
+</I>&gt;<i> interface.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> neither urpmq -a ldap nor urpmq -a lat yeilds any helpful info
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I note that the program IS available in mandriva and the package is
+</I>&gt;<i> called lat-2....rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Any hints???
+</I>
+Not really any hints as such but I guess it needs someone interested in
+maintaining it to import it... Are you up to the task?
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM, PhilippeDidier
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     Jehan Pag&#232;s a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; I noticed we propose only the Jack2 package, but no Jack1. Yet
+</I>&gt;<i>     Jack2 is
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; simply another implementation in C++ of the Jack protocol, and not a
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; newer version (as the official website also states clearly:
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; <A HREF="http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2">http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2</A> ).
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; Plus I had a very annoying bug with Ardour when using Jack2, and
+</I>&gt;<i>     people
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; on Ardour mailing list told me it was a known issue with Jack2 (both
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; Ardour and Jack2 were installed from the Mageia 2 packages). I
+</I>&gt;<i>     compiled
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; Jack1, and it indeed fixed the issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; So I am thinking on proposing a spec for Jack1.
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; But then I have questions:
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; 1/ How should I name this package? The jack2 package is named
+</I>&gt;<i>     &quot;jackit&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; and I have no idea where you got that from (I guess this is a shorter
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; name for &quot;Jack Audio Connection Kit&quot;, but should we really change
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; package names this way?
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; It is not that long). The official alternative
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; name of Jack2 is &quot;jackdmp&quot; (see README here:
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; <A HREF="https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2">https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2</A> ). I saw nowhere else this
+</I>&gt;<i>     &quot;jackit&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; naming.
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>     We inherit this from Mandrake : in the early years of Mandrake a jack
+</I>&gt;<i>     package already existed but it had nothing to do with JACK (Jack Audio
+</I>&gt;<i>     Connexion Kit) : it was a console frontend for cd rippers, still
+</I>&gt;<i>     provided in Mageia...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     When JACK was imported into Mandrake it had to be given an other name...
+</I>&gt;<i>     so jackit !!!
+</I>&gt;<i>     There was a tonic controversy on Mandrake forum about this in 2003 or
+</I>&gt;<i>     2004 year.
+</I>&gt;<i>     Mandrake and then Mandriva and and then Mageia are the only
+</I>&gt;<i>     distributions calling JACK package &quot;jackit&quot; ....
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; So I am questioning the naming of this existing package, and
+</I>&gt;<i>     would like
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; to propose some rename along with a new name for a Jack1 package.
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; Maybe simply &quot;jack1&quot; and &quot;jack2&quot;? Or &quot;jack&quot; and &quot;jackdmp&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; 2/ How should the virtual dependency be named?
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; The existing &quot;jackit&quot; spec provides a &quot;jackit-devel&quot; and a
+</I>&gt;<i>     &quot;libjack-devel&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; I think that none of the names are really fit IMO. First jackit
+</I>&gt;<i>     for the
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; same reason as before (I don't see where this name comes from), also
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; libjack (and the -devel suffix) because this kit is not *only* a
+</I>&gt;<i>     library
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; (there are also the jackd daemon, tools, etc.).
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; I propose simply &quot;jack&quot; as virtual package name.
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; How does this sound?
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>      &gt; Jehan
+</I>&gt;<i>     Not simple because of this context ...
+</I>&gt;<i>     If you want to call JACK jack you need to remove first the existing jack
+</I>&gt;<i>     from the repo, and to modify the spec for every package requiring jackit
+</I>&gt;<i>     now, to make them require jack if it is the new package name for JACK .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     Post Scriptum : Reading this I don't know if my explanation  is clear
+</I>&gt;<i>     enough ...
+</I>&gt;<i>     A key to understand what I wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i>     &quot;jack&quot; is the name of a package (whatever its content is)
+</I>&gt;<i>     &quot;jackit&quot; is the name of a package
+</I>&gt;<i>     &quot;JACK&quot; is the recursive acronym (Jack Audio Connexion Kit) of the
+</I>&gt;<i>     software you are talking about
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok I understood the deal.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would personally prefer even a longer package name like
+</I>&gt;<i> jack-audio-connection-kit. Mageia would gain from having clearer naming.
+</I>&gt;<i> Especially if we add the Jack1 alternative.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now if this is a big deal, and it generates a controversy again, it is
+</I>&gt;<i> not that a big deal. The question thus is: how do I call Jack1 package
+</I>&gt;<i> then? And can I say that this new package &quot;Provides: jackit&quot; so that it
+</I>&gt;<i> works as an alternative to Jack2 (for instance for Ardour)?
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jehan
+</I>
+why not give jack1 the name :
+  &quot;jack1 - the Jack Audio Connection Kit 1&quot;
+and modify the description to include :
+  &quot;This is the original C implementation of the Jack Audio Connection 
+Kit protocol (JACK).  It is under active development concurrently with 
+jackit (JACK2)&quot;
+
+It might also be a good idea to modify the jackit description to 
+indicate that it is concurrent to jack1 as well.
+And maybe rename it to jack2, if it is not too complicated ?
+
+We could always use provides to accommodate packages requiring JACK.
+
+Just some suggestions ...
+
+-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+</I>
+Hi, Opensuse and Arch have ruby-fcgi v 0.8.9 ( <A HREF="http://github.com/saks/fcgi">http://github.com/saks/fcgi</A> ) built with Ruby 1.9.x :
+
+<A HREF="http://pkgs.org/opensuse-12.2/opensuse-oss-i586/rubygem-ruby-fcgi-0.8.9-2.1.2.i586.rpm.html">http://pkgs.org/opensuse-12.2/opensuse-oss-i586/rubygem-ruby-fcgi-0.8.9-2.1.2.i586.rpm.html</A>
+
+<A HREF="https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=46">https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=46</A>
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+<PRE>Still won't build:
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121104025600.fwang.valstar.32022/log/ruby-fcgi-0.8.9-1.mga3/build.0.20121104025605.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121104025600.fwang.valstar.32022/log/ruby-fcgi-0.8.9-1.mga3/build.0.20121104025605.log</A>
+
+Of course, I could disable relative build flags, but it still won't work.
+
+2012/11/4, sardine &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sardine213 at sfr.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,  &gt; As some of you have noticed, I'm currently updating ruby* to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1.9.x.  &gt; During the rebuilding of existing gems, I've found that &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia-maintainers-database is requiring old version of ruby-rails and &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ruby-cgi.  &gt; There is currently no maintainer of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia-maintainers-database, and &gt; there is noway to make ruby-cgi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> compatible with ruby 1.9. Which means, &gt; ruby-cgi annd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia-maintainers-database would be probably unable to &gt; install thus
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> won't working in mga3.  &gt; If there is no real maintainer of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia-maintainers-database, the &gt; package might be dropped eventually.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, call for updating &gt; mageia-maintainers-database.  &gt; Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi, Opensuse and Arch have ruby-fcgi v 0.8.9 ( <A HREF="http://github.com/saks/fcgi">http://github.com/saks/fcgi</A> )
+</I>&gt;<i> built with Ruby 1.9.x :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgs.org/opensuse-12.2/opensuse-oss-i586/rubygem-ruby-fcgi-0.8.9-2.1.2.i586.rpm.html">http://pkgs.org/opensuse-12.2/opensuse-oss-i586/rubygem-ruby-fcgi-0.8.9-2.1.2.i586.rpm.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=46">https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=46</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> dams &lt;dams&gt; 0.9.5-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 312563
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 0.9.5
+</I>
+It doesn't start anymore:
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+Traceback (most recent call last):
+  File &quot;/bin/calibre&quot;, line 20, in &lt;module&gt;
+    sys.exit(main())
+  File &quot;/usr/lib64/calibre/calibre/gui2/main.py&quot;, line 426, in main
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+  File &quot;/usr/lib64/calibre/calibre/gui2/main.py&quot;, line 294, in run_gui
+    app.load_builtin_fonts(scan_for_fonts=True)
+  File &quot;/usr/lib64/calibre/calibre/gui2/__init__.py&quot;, line 808, in
+load_builtin_fonts
+    with open(ff, 'rb') as s:
+IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
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+To Funda
+
+I'm always impressed by the huge work you do for Mageia...
+
+There's a little problem with ruby updates in Cauldron : as shikamaru is
+always the official maintainer you may not be advertised of this :
+<A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/dependencies.html</A>
+
+indeed, in cauldron repository we have coexisting ruby-*-doc packages as
+if the last update, with noarch suffix, has not obsoleted the last  old
+version of some doc rpm which didn't have the noarch suffix:
+for instance
+ruby-BlueCloth-doc-2.2.0-3.mga3         remains besides
+ruby-BlueCloth-doc-2.2.0-4.mga3.noarch
+
+Perhaps  sysadmin will have to remove  some ruby-*-doc rpm  if they
+don't explicitely have mga3.noarch extension
+
+here is a list of few examples of rpm that have to be  removed in 586
+and x86_64 repositories :
+ruby-atk-doc-1.0.3-1.mga2
+ruby-BlueCloth-doc-2.2.0-3.mga3
+ruby-curb-doc-0.7.15-1.mga1
+ruby-eventmachine-doc-0.12.10-3.mga1
+
+we can explore the whole repo or simply use
+<A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/dependencies.html</A>
+to get the list
+
+Same for some other non doc rpms
+ruby-em-http-request-0.3.0-1.mga1 remains besides
+ruby-em-http-request-1.0.3-2.mga3.noarch
+
+Hope this will help to decrease the number of &quot;broken dependancies&quot; (at
+least 60  will be resolved...)
+
+Regards to Funda and sysadmins
+
+Philippe
+
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+<PRE>We already have the similar problem in the period of mandriva, packages
+with same names but different archs won't be deleted from repository. Maybe
+somebody could check youri's code to fix this problem.
+
+As for the deps list, I think this page shows them all:
+<A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/missing.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/missing.html</A>
+
+And, there are some packages cannot be uploaded due to rpmlint polciy for
+filenames, which I cannot deal with :( Personally, I don't think we should
+check package file list for restricted filenames.
+
+Regards.
+
+
+
+
+2012/11/4 PhilippeDidier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i> To Funda
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm always impressed by the huge work you do for Mageia...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There's a little problem with ruby updates in Cauldron : as shikamaru is
+</I>&gt;<i> always the official maintainer you may not be advertised of this :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> indeed, in cauldron repository we have coexisting ruby-*-doc packages as
+</I>&gt;<i> if the last update, with noarch suffix, has not obsoleted the last  old
+</I>&gt;<i> version of some doc rpm which didn't have the noarch suffix:
+</I>&gt;<i> for instance
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-BlueCloth-doc-2.2.0-3.mga3         remains besides
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-BlueCloth-doc-2.2.0-4.mga3.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps  sysadmin will have to remove  some ruby-*-doc rpm  if they
+</I>&gt;<i> don't explicitely have mga3.noarch extension
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> here is a list of few examples of rpm that have to be  removed in 586
+</I>&gt;<i> and x86_64 repositories :
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-atk-doc-1.0.3-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-BlueCloth-doc-2.2.0-3.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-curb-doc-0.7.15-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-eventmachine-doc-0.12.10-3.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> we can explore the whole repo or simply use
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> to get the list
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Same for some other non doc rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-em-http-request-0.3.0-1.mga1 remains besides
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-em-http-request-1.0.3-2.mga3.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hope this will help to decrease the number of &quot;broken dependancies&quot; (at
+</I>&gt;<i> least 60  will be resolved...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards to Funda and sysadmins
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Philippe
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Still won't build:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121104025600.fwang.valstar.32022/log/ruby-fcgi-0.8.9-1.mga3/build.0.20121104025605.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121104025600.fwang.valstar.32022/log/ruby-fcgi-0.8.9-1.mga3/build.0.20121104025605.log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, I could disable relative build flags, but it still won't work.
+</I>
+This package should be deprecated unless somebody wants to work on it. 
+No dev since 2011.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/11/4, sardine&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sardine213 at sfr.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,&gt;  As some of you have noticed, I'm currently updating ruby* to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1.9.x.&gt;  During the rebuilding of existing gems, I've found that&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mageia-maintainers-database is requiring old version of ruby-rails and&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ruby-cgi.&gt;  There is currently no maintainer of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mageia-maintainers-database, and&gt;  there is noway to make ruby-cgi
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> compatible with ruby 1.9. Which means,&gt;  ruby-cgi annd
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mageia-maintainers-database would be probably unable to&gt;  install thus
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> won't working in mga3.&gt;  If there is no real maintainer of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mageia-maintainers-database, the&gt;  package might be dropped eventually.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So, call for updating&gt;  mageia-maintainers-database.&gt;  Regards.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi, Opensuse and Arch have ruby-fcgi v 0.8.9 ( <A HREF="http://github.com/saks/fcgi">http://github.com/saks/fcgi</A> )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> built with Ruby 1.9.x :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgs.org/opensuse-12.2/opensuse-oss-i586/rubygem-ruby-fcgi-0.8.9-2.1.2.i586.rpm.html">http://pkgs.org/opensuse-12.2/opensuse-oss-i586/rubygem-ruby-fcgi-0.8.9-2.1.2.i586.rpm.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=46">https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=46</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+-- 
+Anne
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+    <B>Richard Couture</B> 
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+<PRE>I don-t know how to, otherwise I could...
+
+Can someone teach me?
+
+
+
+
+Richard
+
+On 11/03/2012 12:34 PM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 02/11/12 19:59 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was working with ldap the today and could not find the lat graphical
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interface.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> neither urpmq -a ldap nor urpmq -a lat yeilds any helpful info
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I note that the program IS available in mandriva and the package is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> called lat-2....rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any hints???
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not really any hints as such but I guess it needs someone interested in
+</I>&gt;<i> maintaining it to import it... Are you up to the task?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> We already have the similar problem in the period of mandriva, packages
+</I>&gt;<i> with same names but different archs won't be deleted from repository.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe somebody could check youri's code to fix this problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As for the deps list, I think this page shows them all:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/missing.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/missing.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And, there are some packages cannot be uploaded due to rpmlint polciy
+</I>&gt;<i> for filenames, which I cannot deal with :( Personally, I don't think we
+</I>&gt;<i> should check package file list for restricted filenames.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Actually checking file lists is good as it catches some packaging bugs..
+
+If you need new exceptions, add them to the rpmlint-mageia-policy
+package, and notify sysadmins of the need and we'll update it on
+build infra.
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+<PRE>Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> We already have the similar problem in the period of mandriva, packages
+</I>&gt;<i> with same names but different archs won't be deleted from repository.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe somebody could check youri's code to fix this problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> As for the deps list, I think this page shows them all:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/missing.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/missing.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>You mean this : ;)
+<A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html</A>
+
+I gave you shikamaru's list because it's shorter and it quite only
+concerns ruby dependencies ...
+
+Looking at it now we may see that someone came with a vacuum cleaner to
+eliminate useless old doc files in cauldron repo ... thanks to him (or
+her) !
+
+the list shows now only the last ruby-* rpms to update...
+ and shows too that in spite of your commits for ruby-abstrat (312283)
+this one was not built, neither ruby-allison (312608) ... is that what
+you are talking about (rpmlint policy)?
+
+&gt;<i> And, there are some packages cannot be uploaded due to rpmlint polciy
+</I>&gt;<i> for filenames, which I cannot deal with :( Personally, I don't think we
+</I>&gt;<i> should check package file list for restricted filenames.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Thanks
+Regards
+Philippe
+
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+
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+2012/11/5 Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> 04.11.2012 19:13, Funda Wang skrev:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  We already have the similar problem in the period of mandriva, packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with same names but different archs won't be deleted from repository.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe somebody could check youri's code to fix this problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As for the deps list, I think this page shows them all:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/**cauldron/missing.html&lt;http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/missing.html">http://check.mageia.org/**cauldron/missing.html&lt;http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/missing.html</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And, there are some packages cannot be uploaded due to rpmlint polciy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for filenames, which I cannot deal with :( Personally, I don't think we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should check package file list for restricted filenames.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually checking file lists is good as it catches some packaging bugs..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you need new exceptions, add them to the rpmlint-mageia-policy
+</I>&gt;<i> package, and notify sysadmins of the need and we'll update it on
+</I>&gt;<i> build infra.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> I don-t know how to, otherwise I could...
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+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone teach me?
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+</I>[...]
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+&gt;<i> There's a little problem with ruby updates in Cauldron : as shikamaru is
+</I>&gt;<i> always the official maintainer
+</I>
+What's happenig with Shikamarus packages? Isn't (s)he gone so long that they are unmaintained and should be marked as such?
+==
+$ mgarepo maintdb get |grep shikamaru|wc -l
+278
+==
+
+&gt;<i> in cauldron repository we have coexisting ruby-*-doc packages
+</I>
+Just before I qualified as packager (in may I think) and got submit access, I was helping Shlomi upgrade the packages belonging to shikamaru. Abong them was many ruby packages.
+After upgrading several ruby packages, we started having differences in build success on the packages. I.e. They buildt on my cauldron but not in Shlomif's system. It turned out that if one specific ruby package was installed, ALL ruby packages failed to build, because the documentation did not build and some of the items in %files was missing.
+(I hope Shlomi still remember which ruby package needs to be listed as BuildConflict. Maybe it's listed in some of the ruby packages he made after discovering this.)
+
+Untill we figured out something was wrong, I upgraded and checked in several packages, between 10 and 20 packages, where the documentation package was Removed from the spec, because bm/rpmbuild complained on missing files and I thought it was removed in the new version. But when Shlomi build it, he added the missing files, and I don't know if he readded the doc packages or just added the installed-but-not-packages files in the %files section.
+
+When we figured out that it was due to the BuildConflict, we decided that he should do the ruby packges himself.
+
+I saved the part of the spec that was removed when we found this out, and I have pasted it below in case some are still removed and fails to build.
+You should look for these part in the ruby specs. If they are missing, they should be added.
+
+=== Removed ruby docs ===
+rm -rf %{buildroot}%{ruby_gemdir}/gems/%{oname}-%{version}/.yardoc
+
+%doc %{ruby_gemdir}/doc/%{oname}-%{version}
+
+
+%package        doc
+Summary:    Documentation for %{name}
+Group:      Development/Ruby
+Requires:   %{name} = %{version}-%{release}
+
+%description    doc
+Documents, Rdoc &amp; RI documentation for %{name}.
+
+
+%files          doc
+%doc %{ruby_gemdir}/doc/%{oname}-%{version}
+======
+
+-- 
+Johnny A. Solbu
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+On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:29 AM, andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Jehan Pag&#232;s a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM, PhilippeDidier
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A> &lt;mailto:philippedidier@**laposte.net&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     Jehan Pag&#232;s a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; I noticed we propose only the Jack2 package, but no Jack1. Yet
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     Jack2 is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; simply another implementation in C++ of the Jack protocol, and not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; newer version (as the official website also states clearly:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; <A HREF="http://trac.jackaudio.org/**wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2&lt;http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2">http://trac.jackaudio.org/**wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2&lt;http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2</A>&gt;).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; Plus I had a very annoying bug with Ardour when using Jack2, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     people
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; on Ardour mailing list told me it was a known issue with Jack2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (both
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; Ardour and Jack2 were installed from the Mageia 2 packages). I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     compiled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; Jack1, and it indeed fixed the issue.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; So I am thinking on proposing a spec for Jack1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; But then I have questions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; 1/ How should I name this package? The jack2 package is named
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     &quot;jackit&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; and I have no idea where you got that from (I guess this is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shorter
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; name for &quot;Jack Audio Connection Kit&quot;, but should we really change
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; package names this way?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; It is not that long). The official alternative
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; name of Jack2 is &quot;jackdmp&quot; (see README here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; <A HREF="https://github.com/jackaudio/**jack2&lt;https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2">https://github.com/jackaudio/**jack2&lt;https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2</A>&gt;). I saw nowhere else this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     &quot;jackit&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; naming.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     We inherit this from Mandrake : in the early years of Mandrake a jack
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     package already existed but it had nothing to do with JACK (Jack Audio
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     Connexion Kit) : it was a console frontend for cd rippers, still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     provided in Mageia...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     When JACK was imported into Mandrake it had to be given an other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> name...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     so jackit !!!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     There was a tonic controversy on Mandrake forum about this in 2003 or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     2004 year.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     Mandrake and then Mandriva and and then Mageia are the only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     distributions calling JACK package &quot;jackit&quot; ....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; So I am questioning the naming of this existing package, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     would like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; to propose some rename along with a new name for a Jack1 package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; Maybe simply &quot;jack1&quot; and &quot;jack2&quot;? Or &quot;jack&quot; and &quot;jackdmp&quot;?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; 2/ How should the virtual dependency be named?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; The existing &quot;jackit&quot; spec provides a &quot;jackit-devel&quot; and a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     &quot;libjack-devel&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; I think that none of the names are really fit IMO. First jackit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; same reason as before (I don't see where this name comes from),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> also
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; libjack (and the -devel suffix) because this kit is not *only* a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     library
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; (there are also the jackd daemon, tools, etc.).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; I propose simply &quot;jack&quot; as virtual package name.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; How does this sound?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; Thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &gt; Jehan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     Not simple because of this context ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     If you want to call JACK jack you need to remove first the existing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> jack
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     from the repo, and to modify the spec for every package requiring
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> jackit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     now, to make them require jack if it is the new package name for JACK
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     Post Scriptum : Reading this I don't know if my explanation  is clear
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     enough ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     A key to understand what I wrote :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     &quot;jack&quot; is the name of a package (whatever its content is)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     &quot;jackit&quot; is the name of a package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     &quot;JACK&quot; is the recursive acronym (Jack Audio Connexion Kit) of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     software you are talking about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok I understood the deal.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would personally prefer even a longer package name like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> jack-audio-connection-kit. Mageia would gain from having clearer naming.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Especially if we add the Jack1 alternative.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now if this is a big deal, and it generates a controversy again, it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not that a big deal. The question thus is: how do I call Jack1 package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then? And can I say that this new package &quot;Provides: jackit&quot; so that it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> works as an alternative to Jack2 (for instance for Ardour)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Jehan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> why not give jack1 the name :
+</I>&gt;<i>  &quot;jack1 - the Jack Audio Connection Kit 1&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> and modify the description to include :
+</I>&gt;<i>  &quot;This is the original C implementation of the Jack Audio Connection Kit
+</I>&gt;<i> protocol (JACK).  It is under active development concurrently with jackit
+</I>&gt;<i> (JACK2)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'll do this like this, then, and propose a SPEC to my mentor, maybe today.
+
+It might also be a good idea to modify the jackit description to indicate
+&gt;<i> that it is concurrent to jack1 as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> And maybe rename it to jack2, if it is not too complicated ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I guess the maintainer of this package will have to do this. I'll search
+for his email.
+Thanks all.
+
+Jehan
+
+
+&gt;<i> We could always use provides to accommodate packages requiring JACK.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just some suggestions ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
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+    <B>Thomas Spuhler</B> 
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+On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 01:47:09 +0100
+&quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Sunday 04 November 2012 16:52, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There's a little problem with ruby updates in Cauldron : as shikamaru is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; always the official maintainer
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> What's happenig with Shikamarus packages? Isn't (s)he gone so long that they
+</I>&gt;<i> are unmaintained and should be marked as such? ==
+</I>&gt;<i> $ mgarepo maintdb get |grep shikamaru|wc -l
+</I>&gt;<i> 278
+</I>&gt;<i> ==
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in cauldron repository we have coexisting ruby-*-doc packages
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Just before I qualified as packager (in may I think) and got submit access, I
+</I>&gt;<i> was helping Shlomi upgrade the packages belonging to shikamaru. Abong them
+</I>&gt;<i> was many ruby packages. After upgrading several ruby packages, we started
+</I>&gt;<i> having differences in build success on the packages. I.e. They buildt on my
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron but not in Shlomif's system. It turned out that if one specific ruby
+</I>&gt;<i> package was installed, ALL ruby packages failed to build, because the
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation did not build and some of the items in %files was missing. (I
+</I>&gt;<i> hope Shlomi still remember which ruby package needs to be listed as
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildConflict. Maybe it's listed in some of the ruby packages he made after
+</I>&gt;<i> discovering this.)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Untill we figured out something was wrong, I upgraded and checked in several
+</I>&gt;<i> packages, between 10 and 20 packages, where the documentation package was
+</I>&gt;<i> Removed from the spec, because bm/rpmbuild complained on missing files and I
+</I>&gt;<i> thought it was removed in the new version. But when Shlomi build it, he added
+</I>&gt;<i> the missing files, and I don't know if he readded the doc packages or just
+</I>&gt;<i> added the installed-but-not-packages files in the %files section.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> When we figured out that it was due to the BuildConflict, we decided that he
+</I>&gt;<i> should do the ruby packges himself.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+From what I recall, the ruby package that caused the build conflict was
+ruby-yardoc.
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Looking at it now we may see that someone came with a vacuum cleaner to
+</I>&gt;<i> eliminate useless old doc files in cauldron repo ... thanks to him (or
+</I>&gt;<i> her) !
+</I>
+I have a script (that I need to find a place for in the svn) that I
+run from time to time to clean such packages
+Misc had written one which was supposed to move them for a few weeks
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+&gt;<i> then please push rpmlint-mageia-policy into infra. Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+New rpmlint-mageia-policy is installed.
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 01:47:09 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (I hope Shlomi still remember which ruby package needs to be listed as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; BuildConflict. 
+</I>
+&gt;<i>From what I recall, the ruby package that caused the build conflict was 
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-yardoc.
+</I>
+That sounded right, and gave me something to look for in my logs.
+I just search my IRC logs, and we figured out it was &#171;ruby-yard&#187; which is the cuplrit, not yardoc. 
+You almost got it. :-)=
+
+I see in the logs that me and Shlomi agreed that all ruby spec files should have &#171;ruby-yard&#187; listed as &#171;BuildConflicts:&#187; except for &#171;ruby-haml&#187; which have &#171;ruby-yard&#187; as buildrequires, and they all should have the items I pasted in my previous mail, in the spec's.
+
+I still have the spec's I worked on then, so I just grepped, searching for the spec files where I had removed the doc packages.
+Meaning, these are the packages that needs to be checked, and fixed. (I can help do that, now that I know which packages we need to check and what the proper fix is)
+===
+$ grep -L &quot;Documentation for&quot; ruby/*/SPECS/*spec | cut -f 2 -d /
+ruby-faraday
+ruby-fssm
+ruby-mime-types
+ruby-multipart-post
+ruby-ParseTree
+ruby-rake
+ruby-RedCloth
+rubyripper
+ruby-selenium-webdriver
+ruby-ZenTest
+===
+
+-- 
+Johnny A. Solbu
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 10:36:35AM +0200, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm having that bug on mga2, if someone can test it on cauldron too it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would be great. And all ideas on how to trace this weirdness are also
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> very welcome!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> xrestop
+</I>
+Running xrestop makes my X session crash (Gnome Shell on Intel HD 3000).
+Am I the only one?
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+    <B>Jerome Quelin</B> 
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+
+I'm currently updating perl to 5.16.2 and would like to take the
+opportunity to clean the spec file.
+
+Indeed, I can see lots of %ifarch in it - can you confirm which ones
+I can drop:
+
+    [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jquelin at igor</A> perl]$ grep ifarch SPECS/perl.spec
+    %ifarch %ix86
+    %ifarch x86_64
+    %ifarch ppc
+    %ifarch %{sunsparc}
+    %ifarch ppc
+    %ifarch ppc
+    %ifarch %mips
+    %ifarch ia64
+    %ifarch x86_64
+    %ifarch %ix86 x86_64
+    %ifarch ppc64
+
+On top of my head, I'd say:
+    - to be removed:
+        ppc
+        %{sunsparc}
+        ppc64
+    - to be kept
+        x86_64
+        %ix86
+        %mips
+    - unknown
+        ia64
+
+==&gt; can you confirm / update the list / fill in the blanks?
+
+Thanks,
+J&#233;r&#244;me 
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+<PRE>On 5 November 2012 15:49, Jerome Quelin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jquelin at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On top of my head, I'd say:
+</I>&gt;<i>     - to be removed:
+</I>&gt;<i>         ppc
+</I>&gt;<i>         %{sunsparc}
+</I>&gt;<i>         ppc64
+</I>&gt;<i>     - to be kept
+</I>&gt;<i>         x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>         %ix86
+</I>&gt;<i>         %mips
+</I>&gt;<i>     - unknown
+</I>&gt;<i>         ia64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ==&gt; can you confirm / update the list / fill in the blanks?
+</I>
+ia64 isn't supported for years @mdv and mga doesn't support it
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+&gt;<i> From: Matthias Clasen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">matthias.clasen at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm writing to inform you that the release team discussed
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/Features/DropOrFixFallbackMode">https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/Features/DropOrFixFallbackMode</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> yesterday. We've come to the conclusion that we can't maintain
+</I>&gt;<i> fallback mode in reasonable quality, and are better off dropping it.
+</I>
+Ouch, many systems will become unusable in Gnome because of that.
+
+Even an Intel Core2 Duo (E8400) from 2008 + Intel Q35 chipset from 2007
+can not handle the load with Gnome Shell on a 1920x1080 display, using
+accelerated GL drivers.
+
+The overview with just 5 windows is extremly slow to appear or
+disappear, and animations are about 2 frames per second...
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+&gt;<i> On 01/11/12 20:51, Barry Jackson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; See how it goes :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Last update - honest - added proper file lock as the existing method was 
+</I>&gt;<i> flakey - it's finished and I'm leaving it alone now :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Attached and also here:-
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://paste.kde.org/588158/12522135/">http://paste.kde.org/588158/12522135/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I have problems customizing it for my own use. (I'm testiing manually for the time being)
+It won't exclude the things I say it should exclude.
+My copy have this line: 
+==
+myexcludes=&quot;--exclude={debug/,backports_testing,updates_testing/}&quot;
+==
+It does Not exclude them. (Note that I am excluding all debug and _testing folders, but Not SRPMS)
+That line used in my manuall rsync command, works. They are excluded.
+
+So, why won't this work in cronsync?
+
+-- 
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+&gt;<i> Even an Intel Core2 Duo (E8400) from 2008 + Intel Q35 chipset from 2007
+</I>&gt;<i> can not handle the load with Gnome Shell on a 1920x1080 display, using
+</I>&gt;<i> accelerated GL drivers.
+</I>
+Sure it is not using llvmpipe accidentally? What kind of driver does
+that Q35 use? I have an intel chipset in my old laptop, no clue what,
+but it is really smooth.
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 07:27:26PM +0100, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Even an Intel Core2 Duo (E8400) from 2008 + Intel Q35 chipset from 2007
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can not handle the load with Gnome Shell on a 1920x1080 display, using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> accelerated GL drivers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sure it is not using llvmpipe accidentally? What kind of driver does
+</I>&gt;<i> that Q35 use? I have an intel chipset in my old laptop, no clue what,
+</I>&gt;<i> but it is really smooth.
+</I>
+Q35 has an Intel GMA3100 chipset, it is using i915.
+I don't think it is using llvmpipe, since
+/usr/lib64/gnome-session-check-accelerated-helper succeeds.
+Is there a better way to check that?
+
+Which Intel chipset is your old laptop using? 
+
+-- 
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+&gt;<i> Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 07:27:26PM +0100, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Even an Intel Core2 Duo (E8400) from 2008 + Intel Q35 chipset from 2007
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; can not handle the load with Gnome Shell on a 1920x1080 display, using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; accelerated GL drivers.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sure it is not using llvmpipe accidentally? What kind of driver does
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that Q35 use? I have an intel chipset in my old laptop, no clue what,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but it is really smooth.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Q35 has an Intel GMA3100 chipset, it is using i915.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think it is using llvmpipe, since
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/gnome-session-check-accelerated-helper succeeds.
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there a better way to check that?
+</I>
+System Settings &#8594; Details.
+
+&gt;<i> Which Intel chipset is your old laptop using? 
+</I>
+Intel&#174; 965GM. I guess that is newer than your laptop. My laptop has a
+BIOS from 2007, I guess it was made around that time. GNOME shell seems
+really smooth, same as my main machine though resolution is just
+1280&#215;1024.
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wmbutton is a very efficient graphical launcher dockapp for
+</I>&gt;<i> WindowMaker, or any window manager and desktop environment that
+</I>&gt;<i> handles dock applications. It displays nine small icons which can be
+</I>&gt;<i> clicked on with any of the three mouse buttons to start your favorite
+</I>&gt;<i> programs. All possible actions are specified in an easy-to-understand
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration file &quot;.wmbutton&quot;, assumed to reside in your home
+</I>&gt;<i> directory, and allowing for 27 different applications to be started
+</I>&gt;<i> (one per mouse button and icon). The default configuration is
+</I>&gt;<i> specified in /etc/wmbutton.conf.
+</I>
+please remove empty line at top of %description
+
+&gt;<i> eatdirt &lt;eatdirt&gt; 0.7.0-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 314551
+</I>&gt;<i> - Fix typos in description
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+&gt;<i> Synkron is a cross-platform application and runs on Mac OS X, Linux
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+</I>&gt;<i> Synkron is distributed under the terms of the GPL v2 licence.
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+On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Matthias Clasen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">matthias.clasen at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">distributor-list at gnome.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cc: GNOME release team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">release-team at gnome.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> - move background rendering entirely into gnome-shell; this is most
+</I>&gt;<i> likely to cause some problems for other environments that reuse g-s-d
+</I>&gt;<i> for background rendering. Splitting off the desktop-rendering
+</I>&gt;<i> functionality from nautilus is a separate issue, and does not
+</I>&gt;<i> necessarily have to happen for 3.8.
+</I>
+Please clarify whether that means no more desktop-icons.
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+&gt;<i> fyi
+</I>Sujet: fallback mode
+De: Matthias Clasen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">matthias.clasen at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Date: 2012-11-05 10:42
+Pour: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">distributor-list at gnome.org</A>
+Copie: GNOME release team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">release-team at gnome.org</A>&gt;
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+I'm writing to inform you that the release team discussed
+<A HREF="https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/Features/DropOrFixFallbackMode">https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/Features/DropOrFixFallbackMode</A>
+yesterday. We've come to the conclusion that we can't maintain
+fallback mode in reasonable quality, and are better off dropping it.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Really short-sighted, if the display performance problems aren't solved.
+The processor-intensive extras are really just eye candy, and should be 
+optional, depending on the resources available.  Instead of forcing 
+software emulation of hardware acceleration of display in order to use 
+regular (non-fallback) mode, it should instead use hardware acceleration 
+if available only where it could produce significant performance gains.
+And certainly not for display in a virtual console, which becomes 
+extremely slow.
+
+The reorganization of the default screen layout can be largely reverted 
+if desired by ajusting the configuration and/or using already available 
+extensions, so that isn't a problem.
+Although the configuration programs don't yet work coherently, and some 
+aspects don't work at all (at least in fallback mode which I'm forced to 
+use.)
+
+The tablet-style gtk+ themes currently available are anything but 
+user-friendly for those who want a readable compact space-efficient 
+display on normal sized displays.  But that is bound to improve, as more 
+gtk+2 themes are ported to gtk+3.
+(But the light-switch-type icons in place of check boxes is weird and 
+easily misunderstood.)
+As one gnome developer said recently in his blog, the gnome interface 
+design team are seriously out of touch with those who work on their 
+computer.
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+&gt;<i> Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;fyi
+</I>&gt;<i> Sujet: fallback mode
+</I>&gt;<i> De: Matthias Clasen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">matthias.clasen at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: 2012-11-05 10:42
+</I>&gt;<i> Pour: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">distributor-list at gnome.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Copie: GNOME release team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">release-team at gnome.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm writing to inform you that the release team discussed
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/Features/DropOrFixFallbackMode">https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/Features/DropOrFixFallbackMode</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> yesterday. We've come to the conclusion that we can't maintain
+</I>&gt;<i> fallback mode in reasonable quality, and are better off dropping it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Really short-sighted, if the display performance problems aren't solved.
+</I>&gt;<i> The processor-intensive extras are really just eye candy, and should
+</I>&gt;<i> be optional, depending on the resources available.  Instead of
+</I>&gt;<i> forcing software emulation of hardware acceleration of display in
+</I>&gt;<i> order to use regular (non-fallback) mode, it should instead use
+</I>&gt;<i> hardware acceleration if available only where it could produce
+</I>&gt;<i> significant performance gains.
+</I>&gt;<i> And certainly not for display in a virtual console, which becomes
+</I>&gt;<i> extremely slow.
+</I>
+This discussion has been held various times before. Please read the wiki
+link. The reason I'm forwarding the email is to get feedback about the
+impact on Mageia.
+
+&gt;<i> The reorganization of the default screen layout can be largely
+</I>&gt;<i> reverted if desired by ajusting the configuration and/or using
+</I>&gt;<i> already available extensions, so that isn't a problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> Although the configuration programs don't yet work coherently, and
+</I>&gt;<i> some aspects don't work at all (at least in fallback mode which I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> forced to use.)
+</I>
+Fallback mode is supposed to work exactly like GNOME shell. It doesn't
+in practice, but that was not the intention.
+
+&gt;<i> The tablet-style gtk+ themes currently available are anything but
+</I>&gt;<i> user-friendly for those who want a readable compact space-efficient
+</I>&gt;<i> display on normal sized displays.  But that is bound to improve, as
+</I>&gt;<i> more gtk+2 themes are ported to gtk+3.
+</I>&gt;<i> (But the light-switch-type icons in place of check boxes is weird
+</I>&gt;<i> and easily misunderstood.)
+</I>&gt;<i> As one gnome developer said recently in his blog, the gnome
+</I>&gt;<i> interface design team are seriously out of touch with those who work
+</I>&gt;<i> on their computer.
+</I>
+I don't think that bit is ontopic for a Mageia development list.
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+Olav
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+    <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 11:39:41PM +0100, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 07:27:26PM +0100, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Even an Intel Core2 Duo (E8400) from 2008 + Intel Q35 chipset from 2007
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can not handle the load with Gnome Shell on a 1920x1080 display, using
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> accelerated GL drivers.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sure it is not using llvmpipe accidentally? What kind of driver does
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that Q35 use? I have an intel chipset in my old laptop, no clue what,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but it is really smooth.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Q35 has an Intel GMA3100 chipset, it is using i915.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think it is using llvmpipe, since
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/gnome-session-check-accelerated-helper succeeds.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there a better way to check that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> System Settings &#8594; Details.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which Intel chipset is your old laptop using?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Intel&#174; 965GM. I guess that is newer than your laptop. My laptop has a
+</I>&gt;<i> BIOS from 2007, I guess it was made around that time. GNOME shell seems
+</I>&gt;<i> really smooth, same as my main machine though resolution is just
+</I>&gt;<i> 1280&#215;1024.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I have connected my Atom netbook to a big monitor, and it handles
+perfecly the FullHD resolution. Gnome full mode works fine and fast.
+Its an Atom N450, graphics are recognised as N10 or Intel(R) Pineview GM.
+
+All this with the monitor as the _ONLY_ monitor active.
+
+If I try to use it on a multi-monitor setup, X gives a message about non-tiled
+framebuffer and gnome-shell is slooooow as hell, unusable.
+Probably that is a hardware limit, or a bug, because it happens even if
+the external monitor is a projector at 1024x768.
+
+I was wating to do more tests to submit a bug....
+
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+&gt;<i> Le 05/11/2012 21:59, juancho a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Synkron is a cross-platform application and runs on Mac OS X, Linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and Windows.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Synkron is distributed under the terms of the GPL v2 licence.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think this is useless in %description. :-)
+</I>
+Fixed.
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ---------- Forwarded message ----------
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; From: Matthias Clasen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">matthias.clasen at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">distributor-list at gnome.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cc: GNOME release team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">release-team at gnome.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - move background rendering entirely into gnome-shell; this is most
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; likely to cause some problems for other environments that reuse g-s-d
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for background rendering. Splitting off the desktop-rendering
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; functionality from nautilus is a separate issue, and does not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; necessarily have to happen for 3.8.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please clarify whether that means no more desktop-icons.
+</I>
+They're planning to kill off the bit in Nautilus which can draw the
+background and put that functionality in a new process/module. So
+Nautilus won't do it anymore, but some other process would. No clue if
+that includes the desktop icons&#8230; this splitting off was meant to help
+Unity as they seem to depend on this functionality.
+
+It seems Unity is planning to not rely on this functionality from
+Nautilus, so the thought was that maybe it can just be killed. I can ask
+to still do the work because some people make use of this in GNOME 3.
+
+In any case, the splitting off is not a priority at the moment as it
+would just move code around while potentially introducing bugs. Benefit
+is easing Nautilus maintenance.
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 06:56:55PM -0500, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>...
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This discussion has been held various times before. Please read the wiki
+</I>&gt;<i> link. The reason I'm forwarding the email is to get feedback about the
+</I>&gt;<i> impact on Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>For the impact on Mageia, I think that depends entirely on how they deal 
+with the display performance issue.  Gnome3 should display efficiently 
+on hardware without accelerated display, particularly for text display. 
+  Software emulation of hardware acceleration should only be used where 
+strictly necessary.
+
+Nothing in the visual appearance of gnome3 could not be displayed 
+efficiently on gnome2 on machines without hardware acceleration of 
+display, so there is obviously a problem with the implementation in 
+gnome3, at least up to version 3.4
+
+If this isn't solved, many gnome users in Mageia will be forced to 
+migrate to another desktop.  This could also affect gnome users that 
+have one or more of several machines affected, but want to keep all 
+machines on the same desktop, for ease of maintenance.
+
+Every other aspect of changes introduced gnome3 can (or inevitably will) 
+be solved.
+(I have already worked around most problems, and could readily document 
+that for others if desired.)
+
+It might be useful to migrate gnome3 to fallback mode, instead of the 
+inverse.  That is, modify fallback mode so that it can perform all the 
+functions now in regular gnome3, including using hardware acceleration 
+of display where available.  Thus using the current regular gnome3 as a 
+testing ground for development of the current fallback mode.
+
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+Andr&#233;
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+On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:33 AM, andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 06:56:55PM -0500, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nothing in the visual appearance of gnome3 could not be displayed
+</I>&gt;<i> efficiently on gnome2 on machines without hardware acceleration of display,
+</I>&gt;<i> so there is obviously a problem with the implementation in gnome3, at least
+</I>&gt;<i> up to version 3.4
+</I>
+Just FYI: It is not only display performance of gnome itself, but also
+driver bugs that only trigger in 3d-destkop environment.
+
+I for example have non-smooth video-playback (&quot;stutter&quot; when there are
+pans, as if it would not display frames like &quot;*   *   *   *   *&quot; but
+more like &quot;*        ***  *     **&quot;. Playback is flawless in fallback
+mode. Unfortunately the problem is minor after reboot, and slowly gets
+worse with uptime (restarting gnome-shell using &lt;alt&gt;+&lt;F2&gt;,r,&lt;enter&gt;
+also helps somewhat, as does using
+CLUTTER_PAINT=disable-clipped-redraws:disable-culling and
+CLUTTER_VBLANK=True
+(black magic variables found via google that help to solve all sorts
+of problems (that don't occur here, like tearing), esp. don't see the
+relation between vblank and the other one, as they only have an impact
+when used in combination..
+
+
+Long story short: performance/rendering of gnome itself is not the
+actual problem, it is those little driver-bugs that can spoil the
+party... (I had created a separate account with gnome-fallback just
+for the usecase of watching videos - don't use that for regular
+watching anymore, but still when I need to check videos for
+encoding/playback errors)
+
+ciao
+Christian
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+&gt;<i> Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 06:56:55PM -0500, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;This discussion has been held various times before. Please read the wiki
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;link. The reason I'm forwarding the email is to get feedback about the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;impact on Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> For the impact on Mageia, I think that depends entirely on how they
+</I>&gt;<i> deal with the display performance issue.  Gnome3 should display
+</I>&gt;<i> efficiently on hardware without accelerated display, particularly
+</I>&gt;<i> for text display.  Software emulation of hardware acceleration
+</I>&gt;<i> should only be used where strictly necessary.
+</I>
+In case the drivers are not good enough, GNOME 3 will be unusable.
+Something that another distribution brought up is that ideally something
+like that should be detected during installation, so that this can be
+taken into account up-front.
+
+&gt;<i> It might be useful to migrate gnome3 to fallback mode, instead of
+</I>&gt;<i> the inverse.  That is, modify fallback mode so that it can perform
+</I>&gt;<i> all the functions now in regular gnome3, including using hardware
+</I>&gt;<i> acceleration of display where available.  Thus using the current
+</I>&gt;<i> regular gnome3 as a testing ground for development of the current
+</I>&gt;<i> fallback mode.
+</I>
+I again suggest to read the wiki page for the issues with fallback mode.
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+&gt;<i> I have connected my Atom netbook to a big monitor, and it handles
+</I>&gt;<i> perfecly the FullHD resolution. Gnome full mode works fine and fast.
+</I>&gt;<i> Its an Atom N450, graphics are recognised as N10 or Intel(R) Pineview GM.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> All this with the monitor as the _ONLY_ monitor active.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If I try to use it on a multi-monitor setup, X gives a message about non-tiled
+</I>&gt;<i> framebuffer and gnome-shell is slooooow as hell, unusable.
+</I>&gt;<i> Probably that is a hardware limit, or a bug, because it happens even if
+</I>&gt;<i> the external monitor is a projector at 1024x768.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I was wating to do more tests to submit a bug....
+</I>
+This might be a known driver/xorg issue. Various hardware either don't
+work, or gets slow if the framebuffer exceeds 2048 pixels
+(width/height/something). I'm not sure what the plan with that was, if
+that could be fixed still in xorg, or only in Wayland. I think it was
+fixable in xorg, but I'll have to check.
+
+In any case, the obvious status is that at the moment some people cannot
+run GNOME 3 and they have to rely on fallback mode. Debian suggested a
+method to detect this during installation time. I don't expect GNOME 3
+to suddenly be good enough for everyone in 3.8. This as many of the
+causes are not due to GNOME (bad drivers).
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and blino at 05/11/12 22:38 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Name        : slim                         Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 1.3.3                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 3.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Nov  5 23:34:14 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group       : System/X11                    Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size        : 235493                           License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : blino &lt;blino&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://slim.berlios.de">http://slim.berlios.de</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary     : Simple login manager
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> SLiM (Simple Login Manager) is a Desktop-independent graphical
+</I>&gt;<i> login manager for X11.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It aims to be light and simple, although completely configurable
+</I>&gt;<i> through themes and an option file; is suitable for machines on which
+</I>&gt;<i> remote login functionalities are not needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Features included:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> * PNG and XFT support for alpha transparency and antialiased fonts
+</I>&gt;<i> * External themes support
+</I>&gt;<i> * Configurable runtime options: X server, login / shutdown / reboot commands
+</I>&gt;<i> * Single (GDM-like) or double (XDM-like) input control
+</I>&gt;<i> * Can load predefined user at startup
+</I>&gt;<i> * Configurable welcome / shutdown messages
+</I>&gt;<i> * Random theme selection
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 1.3.3-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 314544
+</I>&gt;<i> - buildrequire freeglut-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> - add tmpfiles.d config file (from Fedora)
+</I>&gt;<i> - add systemd unit (from Fedora)
+</I>&gt;<i> - revert using consolekit's ck-launch-session for login_cmd (to drop consolekit dep, we will use systemd)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+For what it's worth, I think the PAM changes are wrong here.
+
+Systemd still needs the loginuid pam module (well, &quot;very much prefers&quot;
+is perhaps better than needs) and I think the namespace one is still
+needed too.
+
+Might also be wise to keep the gnome_keyring one? Not 100% sure about
+that tho'.
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 05/11/12 23:01 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 11:39:41PM +0100, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 07:27:26PM +0100, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Even an Intel Core2 Duo (E8400) from 2008 + Intel Q35 chipset from 2007
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can not handle the load with Gnome Shell on a 1920x1080 display, using
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> accelerated GL drivers.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sure it is not using llvmpipe accidentally? What kind of driver does
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that Q35 use? I have an intel chipset in my old laptop, no clue what,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but it is really smooth.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Q35 has an Intel GMA3100 chipset, it is using i915.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think it is using llvmpipe, since
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/gnome-session-check-accelerated-helper succeeds.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there a better way to check that?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> System Settings &#8594; Details.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which Intel chipset is your old laptop using? 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Intel&#174; 965GM. I guess that is newer than your laptop. My laptop has a
+</I>&gt;<i> BIOS from 2007, I guess it was made around that time. GNOME shell seems
+</I>&gt;<i> really smooth, same as my main machine though resolution is just
+</I>&gt;<i> 1280&#215;1024.
+</I>
+My ~4year old primary machine with i945 (so somewhere in between) is
+also pretty smooth overall (could be smoother but it is 4 years old!)
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi there
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+As said last week we will restart our weekly meeting tonight, on 
+#mageia-dev at 20h UTC.
+
+Here are the proposed topics:
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+- Mageia 1 EOL
+- Mageia 3 alpha 2 release
+- Main features review
+- Review of pending security updates
+- Mentoring review
+
+Cheers
+
+-- 
+Anne
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 06/11/2012 12:09, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;<i>     6416
+</I>&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;<i>     tuxta
+</I>&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;<i>     2012-11-06 12:09:51 +0100 (Tue, 06 Nov 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>       Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Initial commit of Admin Panel.
+</I>&gt;<i> Has basic functionality that you might expect from the core program, escalates priviledges, loads categories and modules dynamically from configuration file, launches modules and returns to the panel once the module has completed. Works within ncurses, gtk and qt environments using the native widget set.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>       Added Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/Auth.pm &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkAuthpm&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/Category.pm &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkCategorypm&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/ConfigReader.pm &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkConfigReaderpm&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/MainDisplay.pm &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkMainDisplaypm&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/Module.pm &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkModulepm&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/SettingsReader.pm &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkSettingsReaderpm&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/apanel.pl &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkapanelpl&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/categories.conf &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkcategoriesconf&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/extras/
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/extras/README &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkextrasREADME&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/extras/org.freedesktop.policykit.pkexec.policy
+</I>&gt;<i>     &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkextrasorgfreedesktoppolicykitpkexecpolicy&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/images/
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/images/logo_mageia.png
+</I>&gt;<i>     &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkimageslogo_mageiapng&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/images/mageia.png &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkimagesmageiapng&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/images/quit.png &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkimagesquitpng&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/modules/
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/modules/test.cpp &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkmodulestestcpp&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>   * AdminPanel/trunk/settings.conf &lt;#AdminPaneltrunksettingsconf&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Added: AdminPanel/trunk/Auth.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- AdminPanel/trunk/Auth.pm	                        (rev 0)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ AdminPanel/trunk/Auth.pm	2012-11-06 11:09:51 UTC (rev 6416)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> +#    Copyright 2012 Matteo Pasotti
+</I>&gt;<i> +#
+</I>&gt;<i> +#    This file is part of mcc2
+</I>&gt;<i> +#
+</I>&gt;<i> +#    mcc2 is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
+</I>&gt;<i> +#    it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
+</I>&gt;<i> +#    the Free Software Foundation, either version 2 of the License, or
+</I>&gt;<i> +#    (at your option) any later version.
+</I>&gt;<i> +#
+</I>&gt;<i> +#    mcc2 is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
+</I>&gt;<i> +#    but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
+</I>&gt;<i> +#    MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
+</I>&gt;<i> +#    GNU General Public License for more details.
+</I>&gt;<i> +#
+</I>&gt;<i> +#    You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
+</I>&gt;<i> +#    along with mcc2.  If not, see &lt;<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/licenses/">http://www.gnu.org/licenses/</A>&gt;.
+</I>I'm not convinced of the interest of repeating license and copyright 
+information in every single file, whereas a single top-level README file 
+would be enough.
+
+&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +package Auth;
+</I>I'm convinced tough than using a shared top-level namespace, for 
+instance AdminPanel or Mageia::AdminPanel, would be a better idea to 
+express the idea than this module is a part of a software, than a loose 
+comment such as &quot;This file is part of mcc2&quot;.
+package Mageia::AdminPanel::Auth;
+
+&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +require Exporter;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">+ at ISA</A> = qw(Exporter);
+</I>You'd rather use a modern perl idiom:
+use base qw(Exporter)
+
+or
+
+use parent qw(Exporter);
+
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">+ at EXPORT</A> = qw(require_root_capability
+</I>&gt;<i> +	     ask_for_authentication);
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +use strict;
+</I>&gt;<i> +use warnings;
+</I>&gt;<i> +use diagnostics;
+</I>Those pragmas should come first, before package variables
+
+&gt;<i> +use Data::Dumper;
+</I>Unused anywere. Don't load debug-related modules in production coed.
+
+&gt;<i> +sub require_root_capability {
+</I>&gt;<i> +	return 0 if(!$&gt;);
+</I>&gt;<i> +	return 1;
+</I>&gt;<i> +}
+</I>Perl best practice: use english name for magic variables, for readability:
+
+use English qw(-no_match_vars );
+return 0 if (!$EUID);
+
+And your condition could be expressed in a single statement:
+sub require_root_capability {
+     return $EUID == 0;
+}
+
+&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +sub ask_for_authentication {
+</I>&gt;<i> +	my @args = @ARGV;
+</I>&gt;<i> +	my $command = wrap_command($0);
+</I>&gt;<i> +	unshift(@args, $command-&gt;[2]);
+</I>&gt;<i> +	exec { $command-&gt;[0] } $command-&gt;[1], @args or die (&quot;command %s missing&quot;, $command-&gt;[0]);
+</I>&gt;<i> +	die &quot;You must be root to run this program&quot; if $&gt;;
+</I>&gt;<i> +}
+</I>You're duplicating the condition from previous function here.
+die &quot;You must be root to run this program&quot; if
+     !require_root_capability();
+
+Morevoer, you'd better test before executing the command:
+die &quot;You must be root to run this program&quot; if
+     !require_root_capability();
+exec { $command-&gt;[0] } $command-&gt;[1], @args
+     or die (&quot;command %s missing&quot;, $command-&gt;[0]);
+
+&gt;<i> +sub wrap_command {
+</I>&gt;<i> +	my $currenv = &quot;env&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> +	my $wrapper = &quot;pkexec&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> +	my $app = $0;
+</I>&gt;<i> +	my $command = [$wrapper, $currenv, $app];
+</I>&gt;<i> +	($command);
+</I>&gt;<i> +}
+</I>Perl best practice: use explicit return statement, for better readability:
+return ($command);
+
+Using temporary variables for constant isn't very useful here, the whole 
+function would probably be more readable this way:
+
+sub wrap_command {
+     my ($app) = @_;
+     return (['pkexec', 'env', $app]);
+}
+
+I don't understand the need for list contexte here, tough.
+
+BTW, your indentation isn't consistent between various files.
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #445:
+
+Browser's cookie is corrupted -- someone's been nibbling on it.
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+</I>&gt;<i> As said last week we will restart our weekly meeting tonight, on
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-dev at 20h UTC.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are the proposed topics:
+</I>
+Adding also faac topic in this list so that we take a final decision 
+about it.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mageia 1 EOL
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mageia 3 alpha 2 release
+</I>&gt;<i> - Main features review
+</I>&gt;<i> - Review of pending security updates
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mentoring review
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+<PRE>This actually started with the last systemd drop, but it's still 
+happening with today's systemd drop.
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+The boot proceeds and then stalls on tty1 with:
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+[^[[1;32m  OK  ^[[0m] Started LSB: ProFTPD FTP server.
+[^[[1;32m  OK  ^[[0m] Started LSB: Starts the postfix daemons.
+[^[[1;32m  OK  ^[[0m] Started LSB: Video Disk Recorder.
+[^[[1;31mFAILED^[[0m] Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit.
+See 'systemctl status plymouth-quit-wait.service' for details.
+[^[[1;32m  OK  ^[[0m] Reached target Multi-User.
+[^[[1;32m  OK  ^[[0m] Reached target Graphical Interface.
+
+The DM (GDM) does not start.  However, if you ALT-F2 to tty2, getty 
+comes up, and if you do &quot;service dm start&quot;, the DM starts, oddly enough, 
+on tty1.
+
+So, apparently, GDM can clear tty1 and start normally if it actually 
+gets control, but whatever systemd is doing to start the DM either isn't 
+getting done or is failing prematurely.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 06/11/12 12:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> This actually started with the last systemd drop, but it's still
+</I>&gt;<i> happening with today's systemd drop.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The boot proceeds and then stalls on tty1 with:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [^[[1;32m  OK  ^[[0m] Started LSB: ProFTPD FTP server.
+</I>&gt;<i> [^[[1;32m  OK  ^[[0m] Started LSB: Starts the postfix daemons.
+</I>&gt;<i> [^[[1;32m  OK  ^[[0m] Started LSB: Video Disk Recorder.
+</I>&gt;<i> [^[[1;31mFAILED^[[0m] Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to
+</I>&gt;<i> Quit.
+</I>&gt;<i> See 'systemctl status plymouth-quit-wait.service' for details.
+</I>&gt;<i> [^[[1;32m  OK  ^[[0m] Reached target Multi-User.
+</I>&gt;<i> [^[[1;32m  OK  ^[[0m] Reached target Graphical Interface.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The DM (GDM) does not start.  
+</I>
+
+&gt;<i> However, if you ALT-F2 to tty2, getty
+</I>&gt;<i> comes up, and if you do &quot;service dm start&quot;, the DM starts, oddly enough,
+</I>&gt;<i> on tty1.
+</I>
+That's not odd. gdm is meant to always come up on tty1.
+
+&gt;<i> So, apparently, GDM can clear tty1 and start normally if it actually
+</I>&gt;<i> gets control, but whatever systemd is doing to start the DM either isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> getting done or is failing prematurely.
+</I>
+Can you check what &quot;systemctl status prefdm.service&quot; says immediately
+after booting?
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Barry Jackson</B> 
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+<PRE>On 05/11/12 19:36, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> I have problems customizing it for my own use. (I'm testiing manually for the time being)
+</I>&gt;<i> It won't exclude the things I say it should exclude.
+</I>&gt;<i> My copy have this line:
+</I>&gt;<i> ==
+</I>&gt;<i> myexcludes=&quot;--exclude={debug/,backports_testing,updates_testing/}&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> ==
+</I>&gt;<i> It does Not exclude them. (Note that I am excluding all debug and _testing folders, but Not SRPMS)
+</I>&gt;<i> That line used in my manuall rsync command, works. They are excluded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, why won't this work in cronsync?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi Johnny,
+Sorry for delay - I missed the post.
+It's your syntax.
+This works using your excludes with the syntax in line 20 of this new 
+script.
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+<A HREF="http://paste.kde.org/598076/">http://paste.kde.org/598076/</A>
+
+I fixed another bug and changed it slightly to better display rsync 
+errors in the log.
+I have not seen any problems recently and it's running every hour. It 
+currently keeps a filecount history log as well, but that's just for 
+interest and testing.
+
+The problem with your syntax seems to be related to the {} - I don't 
+fully understand why, but it causes a pair of ' to be wrapped around the 
+--exclude option in the final rsync command :
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+rsync -rlptgoDhHSn --stats --delete-after --delete-excluded 
+--protect-args '--exclude={debug/,backports_testing,updates_testing/}' 
+<A HREF="rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib">rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib</A> 
+/zmrepo/pub/linux/Mageia/
+
+With my syntax it appears like this:-
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+rsync -rlptgoDhHSn --progress --stats --delete-after --max-delete=1000 
+--delete-excluded --protect-args --exclude=debug 
+--exclude=backports_testing --exclude=updates_testing 
+<A HREF="rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib">rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib</A> 
+/zmrepo/pub/linux/Mageia/
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+Regards
+Barry
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+&gt;<i> Modified: AdminPanel/trunk/apanel.pl
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- AdminPanel/trunk/apanel.pl	2012-11-06 13:22:23 UTC (rev 6417)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ AdminPanel/trunk/apanel.pl	2012-11-06 13:28:57 UTC (rev 6418)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -22,17 +22,14 @@
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+</I>&gt;<i>   use FindBin;
+</I>&gt;<i>   use lib &quot;$FindBin::RealBin&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> -use Getopt::Long;
+</I>&gt;<i>   use Auth;
+</I>&gt;<i>   use MainDisplay;
+</I>&gt;<i>   use yui;
+</I>Why do you need FindBin, instead of a proper installation procedure ?
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+    <B>Barry Jackson</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs">zen25000 at zen.co.uk
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+    <I>Tue Nov  6 15:18:49 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Damn!!
+
+I left a 'n' (dry run) on the options in the live run section after 
+testing on line 148 - just remove it once you are happy with it.
+I'll paste it again later.
+
+Barry
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+<PRE>On 06/11/12 14:18, Barry Jackson wrote:
+&gt;<i> Damn!!
+</I>No thrice damn!! - I did remove it but from the wrong section (line 109).
+
+Ignore the previous paste as it's dangerous.
+
+This *is* correct.
+<A HREF="http://paste.kde.org/598106/">http://paste.kde.org/598106/</A>
+
+I think I need more sleep :\
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+Thanks Guillaume
+to have started reviewing the code :)
+
+As said I'm not a perl developer, so any help
+change and what else is appreciated.
+
+Now all is in our svn, so I, well we all, do hope
+in increasing contribution to make our little toy
+a real product.
+
+I won't comment perl adjustment since i just cut&amp;paste
+some code to get my things running i'm leaving this
+aim to who in the group is more perl active :)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> +#    Copyright 2012 Matteo Pasotti +# +#    This file is part of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mcc2 +# +#    mcc2 is free software: you can redistribute it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and/or modify +#    it under the terms of the GNU General Public
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> License as published by +#    the Free Software Foundation,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> either version 2 of the License, or +#    (at your option) any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> later version. +# +#    mcc2 is distributed in the hope that it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will be useful, +#    but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> implied warranty of +#    MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the +#    GNU General Public License for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more details. +# +#    You should have received a copy of the GNU
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> General Public License +#    along with mcc2.  If not, see
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/licenses/">http://www.gnu.org/licenses/</A>&gt;.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not convinced of the interest of repeating license and
+</I>&gt;<i> copyright information in every single file, whereas a single
+</I>&gt;<i> top-level README file would be enough.
+</I>Well isn't it required by gnu and common way of using gpl in
+programming?
+But perhaps i see your point the bigger is a scripting file the
+more disk space is using.
+
+&gt;<i> I'm convinced tough than using a shared top-level namespace, for 
+</I>&gt;<i> instance AdminPanel or Mageia::AdminPanel, would be a better idea
+</I>&gt;<i> to express the idea than this module is a part of a software, than
+</I>&gt;<i> a loose comment such as &quot;This file is part of mcc2&quot;. package
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia::AdminPanel::Auth;
+</I>Using a namespace could be a good idea, as said this is a simple toy
+at the moment. I'm not sure using Mageia though is right as well,
+it's been thought as a general purpose admin panel at the moment...
+
+&gt;<i> BTW, your indentation isn't consistent between various files.
+</I>well, ehm I think it's my fault, i use kde editor and i don't like
+tab. Is there any policy for that? I mean tab=8, tab as a tab and not
+space etc? Or we can use ours one and for all?
+
+Cheers,
+	Angelo
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 06/11/12 12:28 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, if you ALT-F2 to tty2, getty
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> comes up, and if you do &quot;service dm start&quot;, the DM starts, oddly enough,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on tty1.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's not odd. gdm is meant to always come up on tty1.
+</I>
+I know, but it looked like systemd was still holding tty1.
+
+&gt;<i> Can you check what &quot;systemctl status prefdm.service&quot; says immediately 
+</I>&gt;<i> after booting? 
+</I>
+It showed gdm segfaulting, so I installed gdm-debug, rebooted, and ran
+        systemctl status --lines=100 --no-pager prefdm.service
+and got (with the entries prior to this boot deleted):
+
+prefdm.service - Display Manager
+           Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/prefdm.service; static)
+           Active: inactive (dead)
+           CGroup: name=systemd:/system/prefdm.service
+
+Nov 06 09:31:09 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: WARNING: 
+GdmDisplay: display lasted 0.001836 seconds
+Nov 06 09:31:10 localhost.localdomain gdm-simple-slave[24667]: WARNING: 
+Failed to give slave programs access to the display. Trying to proceed.
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-simple-slave[24667]: WARNING: 
+Tried to look up non-existent conversation gdm-launch-environment
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Stopping Display 
+Manager...
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: 
+******************* START ********************************
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 0: 
+/usr/sbin/gdm-binary() [0x42a1ab]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 1: 
+/usr/sbin/gdm-binary() [0x42a59a]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 2: 
+/lib64/libpthread.so.0(+0xf000) [0x7fb678436000]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 3: 
+/lib64/libc.so.6(gsignal+0x35) [0x7fb6780af815]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 4: 
+/lib64/libc.so.6(abort+0x148) [0x7fb6780b0e78]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 5: 
+/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_assertion_message+0x137) [0x7fb678ecb8f7]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 6: 
+/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_assertion_message_error+0x9f) [0x7fb678ecbb2f]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 7: 
+/lib64/libgio-2.0.so.0(+0xda585) [0x7fb679480585]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 8: 
+/lib64/libgio-2.0.so.0(+0xdac9e) [0x7fb679480c9e]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 9: 
+/lib64/libgio-2.0.so.0(g_dbus_object_manager_server_unexport+0x6c) 
+[0x7fb6794816ac]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 10: 
+/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_hash_table_find+0x9b) [0x7fb678e9a1bb]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 11: 
+/usr/sbin/gdm-binary() [0x40b03d]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 12: 
+/usr/sbin/gdm-binary() [0x41115c]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 13: 
+/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_object_unref+0x1e8) [0x7fb67916d0b8]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 14: 
+/usr/sbin/gdm-binary() [0x409507]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 15: 
+/lib64/libffi.so.6(ffi_call_unix64+0x4c) [0x7fb677843e68]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 16: 
+/lib64/libffi.so.6(ffi_call+0x1e0) [0x7fb677843870]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[8870]: Frame 17: 
+/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_cclosure_marshal_generic+0x1fb) 
+[0x7fb679168abb]
+Nov 06 09:31:31 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: prefdm.service: main 
+process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
+Nov 06 09:31:32 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Stopped Display Manager.
+Nov 06 09:31:32 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Unit prefdm.service 
+entered failed state
+Nov 06 09:38:36 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Started Display Manager.
+Nov 06 09:38:38 localhost.localdomain gdm-simple-slave[16435]: WARNING: 
+Failed to give slave programs access to the display. Trying to proceed.
+Nov 06 09:39:00 localhost.localdomain gdm-password][18296]: 
+pam_succeed_if(gdm-password:auth): requirement &quot;user ingroup 
+nopasswdlogin&quot; not met by user &quot;ftg&quot;
+Nov 06 09:39:05 localhost.localdomain gdm-password][18296]: 
+pam_tcb(gdm-password:auth): Authentication passed for ftg from (uid=0)
+Nov 06 09:39:05 localhost.localdomain gdm-simple-slave[16435]: WARNING: 
+Failed to remove slave program access to the display. Trying to proceed.
+Nov 06 09:39:05 localhost.localdomain gdm-simple-slave[16435]: WARNING: 
+Child process -16470 was already dead.
+Nov 06 09:48:57 localhost.localdomain gdm-binary[16377]: WARNING: 
+GdmDisplay: display lasted 0.001804 seconds
+Nov 06 09:48:58 localhost.localdomain gdm-simple-slave[6995]: WARNING: 
+Failed to give slave programs access to the display. Trying to proceed.
+Nov 06 09:49:58 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Stopping Display 
+Manager...
+Nov 06 09:49:58 localhost.localdomain gdm-simple-slave[6995]: 
+GLib-GObject-CRITICAL: g_object_ref: assertion `object-&gt;ref_count &gt; 0' 
+failed
+Nov 06 09:49:59 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Stopped Display Manager.
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+Il 06/11/2012 15:09, Guillaume Rousse ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Le 06/11/2012 14:28, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: AdminPanel/trunk/apanel.pl 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>- --- AdminPanel/trunk/apanel.pl    2012-11-06 13:22:23 UTC (rev 6417)
+&gt;&gt;<i> +++ AdminPanel/trunk/apanel.pl    2012-11-06 13:28:57 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 6418) @@ -22,17 +22,14 @@ use diagnostics; use FindBin; use lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;$FindBin::RealBin&quot;; -use Getopt::Long; use Auth; use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MainDisplay; use yui;
+</I>&gt;<i> Why do you need FindBin, instead of a proper installation procedure
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>I guess you ain't commenting my commit here :)
+
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+&gt;<i> I should note that this is an 8-core Intel i7, so this could easily be 
+</I>&gt;<i> a race condition...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ahhhh, nevvermind, I found it.  It's that non-LSB oracle initscript 
+again.  The rpm went missing, and that resulted in landing an unmodified 
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+<PRE>Le mardi 6 novembre 2012 13:16:20 Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 06/11/2012 12:09, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Revision
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     6416
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Author
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     tuxta
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Date
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     2012-11-06 12:09:51 +0100 (Tue, 06 Nov 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;       Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Initial commit of Admin Panel.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Has basic functionality that you might expect from the core program,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; escalates priviledges, loads categories and modules dynamically from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; configuration file, launches modules and returns to the panel once the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; module has completed. Works within ncurses, gtk and qt environments using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the native widget set.&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;       Added Paths
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/Auth.pm &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkAuthpm&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/Category.pm &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkCategorypm&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/ConfigReader.pm &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkConfigReaderpm&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/MainDisplay.pm &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkMainDisplaypm&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/Module.pm &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkModulepm&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/SettingsReader.pm &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkSettingsReaderpm&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/apanel.pl &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkapanelpl&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/categories.conf &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkcategoriesconf&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/extras/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/extras/README &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkextrasREADME&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/extras/org.freedesktop.policykit.pkexec.policy
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkextrasorgfreedesktoppolicykitpkexecpolicy&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/images/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/images/logo_mageia.png
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkimageslogo_mageiapng&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/images/mageia.png &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkimagesmageiapng&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/images/quit.png &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkimagesquitpng&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/modules/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/modules/test.cpp &lt;#AdminPaneltrunkmodulestestcpp&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * AdminPanel/trunk/settings.conf &lt;#AdminPaneltrunksettingsconf&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Added: AdminPanel/trunk/Auth.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --- AdminPanel/trunk/Auth.pm	                        (rev 0)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +++ AdminPanel/trunk/Auth.pm	2012-11-06 11:09:51 UTC (rev 6416)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#    Copyright 2012 Matteo Pasotti
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#    This file is part of mcc2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#    mcc2 is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#    it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#    the Free Software Foundation, either version 2 of the License, or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#    (at your option) any later version.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#    mcc2 is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#    but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#    MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#    GNU General Public License for more details.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#    You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#    along with mcc2.  If not, see &lt;<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/licenses/">http://www.gnu.org/licenses/</A>&gt;.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not convinced of the interest of repeating license and copyright
+</I>&gt;<i> information in every single file, whereas a single top-level README file
+</I>&gt;<i> would be enough.
+</I>
+Because in normal code we had header in top of code files :)
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; +sub require_root_capability {
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +	return 0 if(!$&gt;);
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +	return 1;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +}
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Perl best practice: use english name for magic variables, for readability:
+</I>
+why rewrite this function ? this exist in common.pm already
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+On 06/11/2012 13:16, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> information in every single file, whereas a single top-level README
+</I>&gt;<i> file would be enough.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Hello Guillaume,
+
+GPLv2 says:
+It is safest to attach them to the start of each source file to most
+effectively convey the exclusion of warranty; and each file should
+have at least the &quot;copyright&quot; line and a pointer to where the full
+notice is found.
+
+<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html">http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html</A>
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> + +package Auth;
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm convinced tough than using a shared top-level namespace, for 
+</I>&gt;<i> instance AdminPanel or Mageia::AdminPanel, would be a better idea
+</I>&gt;<i> to express the idea than this module is a part of a software, than
+</I>&gt;<i> a loose comment such as &quot;This file is part of mcc2&quot;. package
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia::AdminPanel::Auth;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>It's just a prototype, it will be &quot;fixed&quot; in future.
+&gt;&gt;<i> + +require Exporter; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">+ at ISA</A> = qw(Exporter);
+</I>&gt;<i> You'd rather use a modern perl idiom: use base qw(Exporter)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> or
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> use parent qw(Exporter);
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Got it.
+&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">+ at EXPORT</A> = qw(require_root_capability +
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ask_for_authentication); + +use strict; +use warnings; +use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> diagnostics;
+</I>&gt;<i> Those pragmas should come first, before package variables
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Got it
+&gt;&gt;<i> +use Data::Dumper;
+</I>&gt;<i> Unused anywere. Don't load debug-related modules in production
+</I>&gt;<i> coed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>afaik, apanel is not &quot;in production&quot; so what's your concern?.
+&gt;&gt;<i> +sub require_root_capability { +    return 0 if(!$&gt;); +    return
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1; +}
+</I>&gt;<i> Perl best practice: use english name for magic variables, for
+</I>&gt;<i> readability:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> use English qw(-no_match_vars ); return 0 if (!$EUID);
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And your condition could be expressed in a single statement: sub
+</I>&gt;<i> require_root_capability { return $EUID == 0; }
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + +sub ask_for_authentication { +    my @args = @ARGV; +    my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $command = wrap_command($0); +    unshift(@args, $command-&gt;[2]); 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +    exec { $command-&gt;[0] } $command-&gt;[1], @args or die (&quot;command
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %s missing&quot;, $command-&gt;[0]); +    die &quot;You must be root to run
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this program&quot; if $&gt;; +}
+</I>&gt;<i> You're duplicating the condition from previous function here. die
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;You must be root to run this program&quot; if 
+</I>&gt;<i> !require_root_capability();
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Don't blame me too much for readability and duplications, please.
+I was inspired by /usr/lib/libDrakX/common.pm and other modules that
+are not very readable and that contain similar duplications.
+Again, this module it's still a prototype and I'm learning new stuff
+while coding it. I'll work on improving its readability.
+&gt;<i> Morevoer, you'd better test before executing the command: die &quot;You
+</I>&gt;<i> must be root to run this program&quot; if !require_root_capability(); 
+</I>&gt;<i> exec { $command-&gt;[0] } $command-&gt;[1], @args or die (&quot;command %s
+</I>&gt;<i> missing&quot;, $command-&gt;[0]);
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Same as above, take a look at /usr/lib/libDrakX/common.pm and you'll
+see that the test is performed after the exec.
+&gt;&gt;<i> +sub wrap_command { +    my $currenv = &quot;env&quot;; +    my $wrapper =
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;pkexec&quot;; +    my $app = $0; +    my $command = [$wrapper,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $currenv, $app]; +    ($command); +}
+</I>&gt;<i> Perl best practice: use explicit return statement, for better
+</I>&gt;<i> readability: return ($command);
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Again, same as above.
+&gt;<i> Using temporary variables for constant isn't very useful here, the
+</I>&gt;<i> whole function would probably be more readable this way:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> sub wrap_command { my ($app) = @_; return (['pkexec', 'env',
+</I>&gt;<i> $app]); }
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't understand the need for list contexte here, tough.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, your indentation isn't consistent between various files.
+</I>I worked almost exclusively on the file you have dissected =) and
+honestly it's not a big issue to me to read source files with
+different indentations (I mean if they are somehow indented and
+readable).
+
+I'll try to improve my code even paying attention to your precious
+advices.
+
+Thank you.
+
+Matteo
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+On 06/11/2012 16:26, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +sub require_root_capability { +	return 0 if(!$&gt;); +	return 1; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Perl best practice: use english name for magic variables, for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> readability:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> why rewrite this function ? this exist in common.pm already
+</I>Hello Nicolas,
+yes, the function already exists but common.pm uses MDK::Common that
+apanel currently doesn't needs. Consider then that we are using pkexec
+ and not consolehelper. I haven't found other ways at that time.
+However, I kept that &quot;code structure&quot; to be able to easily switch
+apanel to the common module if needed (or maybe support both the
+backends).
+
+Any suggestion is more than welcome :)
+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> On 11/06/2012 10:06 AM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I should note that this is an 8-core Intel i7, so this could easily be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a race condition...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahhhh, nevvermind, I found it.  It's that non-LSB oracle initscript
+</I>&gt;<i> again.  The rpm went missing, and that resulted in landing an unmodified
+</I>&gt;<i> initscript in /etc/init.d.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry for the noise.
+</I>
+Ahh, that pesky time sync :p
+
+Glad you noticed!
+
+Col
+
+-- 
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+colin(at)mageia.org
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
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+<PRE>On 11/06/2012 11:04 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> Ahh, that pesky time sync :p Glad you noticed! Col 
+</I>Here's a follow-up:
+
+I fixed the oracle initscript, but now it won't start through systemd.  
+Doing a &quot;service oracle-xe start&quot; gives me an [OK], but &quot;systemctl 
+status oracle-xe.service&quot; shows the status as &quot;exited&quot; and only the 
+single line &quot;systemd[1]: Started LSB: xxxxxxx&quot;.
+
+However, if I use SYSTEMCTL_SKIP_REDIRECT=Y, it starts just fine. Any 
+idea as to where to look for an error ?  &quot;journalctl --lines=100 
+--no-pager _SYSTEMD_UNIT=oracle-xe.service&quot; gives me nothing on the 
+failed attempt, just a few lines on the successful SKIP_REDIRECT one...
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+Thanks,
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+<PRE>Le 06/11/2012 16:33, Matteo Pasotti a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 06/11/2012 13:16, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> information in every single file, whereas a single top-level README
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file would be enough.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello Guillaume,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> GPLv2 says:
+</I>&gt;<i> It is safest to attach them to the start of each source file to most
+</I>&gt;<i> effectively convey the exclusion of warranty; and each file should
+</I>&gt;<i> have at least the &quot;copyright&quot; line and a pointer to where the full
+</I>&gt;<i> notice is found.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html">http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html</A>
+</I>Come on, you really think someone will sue you because running your code 
+crashed his system, and you have to be that &quot;safe&quot; ? It's a pain to have 
+to skip multiple lines of legal bullshit before reaching the code, and 
+you'll need to update a gazillion files in just a few monthes because 
+we'll change year.
+
+[..]
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +use Data::Dumper;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unused anywere. Don't load debug-related modules in production
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> coed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> afaik, apanel is not &quot;in production&quot; so what's your concern?.
+</I>Don't bloat memory by loading unused modules. Keep your debug code in 
+your working directory, not in svn.
+
+[..]
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + +sub ask_for_authentication { +    my @args = @ARGV; +    my
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $command = wrap_command($0); +    unshift(@args, $command-&gt;[2]);
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +    exec { $command-&gt;[0] } $command-&gt;[1], @args or die (&quot;command
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %s missing&quot;, $command-&gt;[0]); +    die &quot;You must be root to run
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this program&quot; if $&gt;; +}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You're duplicating the condition from previous function here. die
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;You must be root to run this program&quot; if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> !require_root_capability();
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't blame me too much for readability and duplications, please.
+</I>&gt;<i> I was inspired by /usr/lib/libDrakX/common.pm and other modules that
+</I>&gt;<i> are not very readable and that contain similar duplications.
+</I>I wouldn't consider drakxtools a reference for readability...
+
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #23:
+
+improperly oriented keyboard
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+Il 06/11/2012 20:55, Guillaume Rousse ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Come on, you really think someone will sue you because running your
+</I>&gt;<i> code crashed his system, and you have to be that &quot;safe&quot; ? It's a
+</I>&gt;<i> pain to have to skip multiple lines of legal bullshit before
+</I>&gt;<i> reaching the code, and you'll need to update a gazillion files in
+</I>&gt;<i> just a few monthes because we'll change year.
+</I>Good point, can we have a policy for that? So that all of that we
+produce in mageia is going to be under the same philosophy...
+
+I cannot follow the meeting in the next hour but it's a good point to
+discuss i believe.
+
+In the mean while i changed (an i'm going to commit) the indentation
+now, if i'm not mistaken in something, should be all the same
+tabstop=4 shiftwidth=4 expandtab hope that is not going to be wrong
+for anyone :)
+
+Cheers,
+	Angelo (who's waiting for any contributions in adding modules)
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 06/11/12 16:35 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 11/06/2012 11:04 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ahh, that pesky time sync :p Glad you noticed! Col 
+</I>&gt;<i> Here's a follow-up:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I fixed the oracle initscript, but now it won't start through systemd. 
+</I>&gt;<i> Doing a &quot;service oracle-xe start&quot; gives me an [OK], but &quot;systemctl
+</I>&gt;<i> status oracle-xe.service&quot; shows the status as &quot;exited&quot; and only the
+</I>&gt;<i> single line &quot;systemd[1]: Started LSB: xxxxxxx&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> However, if I use SYSTEMCTL_SKIP_REDIRECT=Y, it starts just fine. Any
+</I>&gt;<i> idea as to where to look for an error ?  &quot;journalctl --lines=100
+</I>&gt;<i> --no-pager _SYSTEMD_UNIT=oracle-xe.service&quot; gives me nothing on the
+</I>&gt;<i> failed attempt, just a few lines on the successful SKIP_REDIRECT one...
+</I>
+Curious indeed.
+
+Can you pastebin/attach the initscript and give the full status output
+after the failure?
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
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+&gt;<i> Curious indeed. Can you pastebin/attach the initscript and give the 
+</I>&gt;<i> full status output after the failure? Cheers Col 
+</I>This is nuts.  For the instance I started successfully with 
+SKIP_REDIRECT, a straight &quot;service oracle-xe stop&quot; from a bash session 
+without SKIP_REDIRECT worked, and brought it down.  A subsequent 
+&quot;service oracle-xe start&quot; worked.  As did another stop/start.
+
+So, as a result (apparently) of a successful start of oracle-xe, now 
+everything works again.
+
+Here's one possibility: Before I tried the SKIP_REDIRECT, I modified the 
+&quot;start&quot; statement in the script to eliminate a &quot;&gt;/dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1&quot; in the 
+hopes of getting some diagnostics.  Then I did a &quot;systemctl --system 
+daemon-reload&quot;.  It still failed, and I didn't get any output that I 
+could find, but maybe the reload had something to do with the eventual 
+success (I can't see how).
+
+I restored the &quot;&gt;/dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1&quot; and did another reload, but everything 
+still worked.  Is it possible that whatever is supposed to suck the 
+initscript into the systemd universe isn't quite doing the job ?  That 
+still wouldn't explain the failure after the reload but before the 
+SKIP_REDIRECT, but it might have some bearing.
+
+If you want to test this, you can get the RPM at 
+<A HREF="http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/products/express-edition/downloads/index.html.">http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/products/express-edition/downloads/index.html.</A> 
+Install it and add your own LSB headers to the initscript, run 
+&quot;/etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure&quot; and take all the defaults, and you're 
+good to go.  As it's an RPM, it's easy and clean to get rid of when 
+you're done.  My gut tells me that I'm not going to get this to fail 
+again unless I do a fresh install.
+
+Thanks,
+Frank
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and blino at 05/11/12 22:38 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : slim                         Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 1.3.3                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 3.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Nov  5 23:34:14 2012
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 1.3.3-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 314544
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - buildrequire freeglut-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add tmpfiles.d config file (from Fedora)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add systemd unit (from Fedora)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - revert using consolekit's ck-launch-session for login_cmd (to drop consolekit dep, we will use systemd)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For what it's worth, I think the PAM changes are wrong here.
+</I>
+There were no PAM changes here :-)
+
+-- 
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Draft%20of%20a%20Letter%20to%20the%20Software%20Freedom%20Law%20Center%0A%09%28SFLC%29.&In-Reply-To=%3C20121107003943.1f2fdba6%40lap.shlomifish.org%3E"
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+I'm including here a draft of a letter we are planning to send to the Software
+Freedom Law Center ( SFLC- <A HREF="http://www.softwarefreedom.org/">http://www.softwarefreedom.org/</A> ) about faac vs.
+cinelerra. (see the last meeting at 
+<A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-11-06-20.09.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-11-06-20.09.html</A> for
+more information). Note that the SFLC does not charge for its advice (but
+accepts donations).
+
+Any comments will be welcome.
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish 
+
+=================================
+
+Dear sirs or madams,
+
+I am writing you this letter on behalf of Mageia ( <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/en/">https://www.mageia.org/en/</A>
+), which is a community-developed, operating system, based on the
+GNU/Linux system and with a free-and-open-source (FOSS) core. We would like to
+ask, whether and how we can distribute pre-built packages of a GPLed program
+(in our case, the video editor cinelerra) after it was linked to a library
+with some proprietary and non-GPLed code (in our case, faac).
+
+The longer story is that there has been some demand for including faac
+( <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/faac/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/faac/</A> - the Freeware Advance Audio Coder),
+which is both non-free in part and patent encumbered, in our distribution,
+and to prepare versions of the appropriate packages for which it is an
+optional dependency. These packages, such as cinelerra (
+<A HREF="http://cinelerra.org/">http://cinelerra.org/</A> - a video editor), are licenced under
+the GPL, which restricts which code its distributed binaries may be legally
+linked to.
+
+So our question is: assuming we package faac as a package, can we still
+provide pre-made and binary packages of GPLed programs that use it?
+
+We would appreciate any definitive legal insights on the matter.
+
+Sincerely yours,
+
+&#8212; Shlomi Fish, on behalf of the Mageia development team.
+
+-- 
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
+Shlomi Fish       <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</A>
+Best Introductory Programming Language - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/intro-lang">http://shlom.in/intro-lang</A>
+
+God gave us two eyes and ten fingers so we will type five times as much as we
+read.
+
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 06/11/12 22:37 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and blino at 05/11/12 22:38 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : slim                         Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 1.3.3                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 3.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Nov  5 23:34:14 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 1.3.3-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 314544
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - buildrequire freeglut-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add tmpfiles.d config file (from Fedora)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add systemd unit (from Fedora)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - revert using consolekit's ck-launch-session for login_cmd (to drop consolekit dep, we will use systemd)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For what it's worth, I think the PAM changes are wrong here.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> There were no PAM changes here :-)
+</I>
+Yup, sorry, my bad... I was basing my email on the popup that showed up
+related to .rpmnew files. I must have had some uncommitted tweaks that I
+likely still need to resolve properly!!
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+<PRE>Hello,
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+Could sysadmin push new rpmlint-mageia-policy to our ifra so that we could
+deal with new libreoffice and some other ruby packages.
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+<PRE>I just updated my cauldron to the latest packages, but some can't be installed due to a file conflict.
+=========
+To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
+  Package                        Version      Release       Arch
+(medium &quot;Core Release&quot;)
+  docbook-style-xsl              1.77.1       3.mga3        noarch
+  kdebase4-runtime               4.9.2        1.mga3        x86_64
+  kdebase4-runtime-handbook      4.9.2        1.mga3        noarch
+  kdelibs4-core                  4.9.2        1.mga3        x86_64
+  kdelibs4-handbooks             4.9.2        1.mga3        noarch
+  lib64kdecore5                  4.9.2        1.mga3        x86_64
+1MB of additional disk space will be used.
+14MB of packages will be retrieved.
+Proceed with the installation of the 6 packages? (Y/n) y
+
+
+installing docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch.rpm kdelibs4-core-4.9.2-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm kdelibs4-handbooks-4.9.2-1.mga3.noarch.rpm kdebase4-runtime-4.9.2-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm kdebase4-runtime-handbook-4.9.2-1.mga3.noarch.rpm lib64kdecore5-4.9.2-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#    1596 Header V3 RSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 80420f66: BAD
+error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#    1596 Header V3 RSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 80420f66: BAD
+error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#    1596 Header V3 RSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 80420f66: BAD
+Preparing...                     ##########################################################################################################################
+Installation failed:    file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/COPYING from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch
+        file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/NEWS from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch
+        file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/NEWS.html from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch
+        file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/NEWS.xml from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch
+        file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/README from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch
+        file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/VERSION from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch
+        file /usr/share/sgml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch
+(09:11:57) [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at cauldron</A> ~]#
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+noticed, the conflicting files are from same packages but higher version.
+
+Please upgrade your rpm and urpmi at first.
+
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+2012/11/7 Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> I just updated my cauldron to the latest packages, but some can't be
+</I>&gt;<i> installed due to a file conflict.
+</I>&gt;<i> =========
+</I>&gt;<i> To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i>   Package                        Version      Release       Arch
+</I>&gt;<i> (medium &quot;Core Release&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i>   docbook-style-xsl              1.77.1       3.mga3        noarch
+</I>&gt;<i>   kdebase4-runtime               4.9.2        1.mga3        x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>   kdebase4-runtime-handbook      4.9.2        1.mga3        noarch
+</I>&gt;<i>   kdelibs4-core                  4.9.2        1.mga3        x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>   kdelibs4-handbooks             4.9.2        1.mga3        noarch
+</I>&gt;<i>   lib64kdecore5                  4.9.2        1.mga3        x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 1MB of additional disk space will be used.
+</I>&gt;<i> 14MB of packages will be retrieved.
+</I>&gt;<i> Proceed with the installation of the 6 packages? (Y/n) y
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> installing docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> kdelibs4-core-4.9.2-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> kdelibs4-handbooks-4.9.2-1.mga3.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> kdebase4-runtime-4.9.2-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> kdebase4-runtime-handbook-4.9.2-1.mga3.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64kdecore5-4.9.2-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#    1596 Header V3 RSA/SHA1
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature, key ID 80420f66: BAD
+</I>&gt;<i> error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#    1596 Header V3 RSA/SHA1
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature, key ID 80420f66: BAD
+</I>&gt;<i> error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#    1596 Header V3 RSA/SHA1
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature, key ID 80420f66: BAD
+</I>&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;<i> ##########################################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed:    file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/COPYING from
+</I>&gt;<i> install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from
+</I>&gt;<i> package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i>         file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/NEWS from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i>         file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/NEWS.html from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i>         file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/NEWS.xml from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i>         file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/README from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i>         file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/VERSION from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i>         file /usr/share/sgml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> (09:11:57) [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at cauldron</A> ~]#
+</I>&gt;<i> =========
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Johnny A. Solbu
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+&gt;<i> The are some problems with your rpm and urpmi installation. As you may
+</I>&gt;<i> noticed, the conflicting files are from same packages but higher version.
+</I>
+I just did. and those packages where the last ones.
+
+==
+rpm -qi rpm urpmi|grep &quot;Install Date&quot;
+Install Date: on. 07. nov. 2012 kl. 07.30 +0100
+Install Date: on. 07. nov. 2012 kl. 07.30 +0100
+==
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I just did. and those packages where the last ones.
+</I>
+Just to be clear, to avoid any misunderstanding. 
+I updated some 1570 packages (urpmi --auto-update), and those 6 packages can't be installed due to the conflict.
+rpm and urpmi where updated in the process.
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+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 07 November 2012 09:29, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I just did. and those packages where the last ones.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just to be clear, to avoid any misunderstanding.
+</I>&gt;<i> I updated some 1570 packages (urpmi --auto-update), and those 6 packages
+</I>&gt;<i> can't be installed due to the conflict.
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm and urpmi where updated in the process.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
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+</I>&gt;<i> Could sysadmin push new rpmlint-mageia-policy to our ifra so that we
+</I>&gt;<i> could deal with new libreoffice and some other ruby packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 09:50:16AM +0200, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In what way does that &quot;touch&quot; Mageia aside from GNOME packaging?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We can't abandon Python 2 in the distro since there's loads of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Python 2 software out there.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So this will only change some of GNOME's dependancies, won't it?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> No clue on what it would impact. That is why I am asking :)
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+</I>&gt;<i> I see that atm python3 package is not on my system. I guess GNOME should
+</I>&gt;<i> use #!/usr/bin/python3 and then everything is fine?
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+In case anyone cares, GNOME will start depending on Python 3 for GNOME 3.8.
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+&gt;<i> anssi &lt;anssi&gt; 11.2.202.251-1.mga3:
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+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 11.2.202.251
+</I>&gt;<i>   o fixes CVE-2012-5274, CVE-2012-5275, CVE-2012-5276, CVE-2012-5277,
+</I>&gt;<i>     CVE-2012-5278, CVE-2012-5279, CVE-2012-5280
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+This should be pushed as an update to mga2 too as mga2 package is no
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+    <B>Steven Tucker</B> 
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+well it is very pleasing to see there is discussion about Admin Panel on 
+the very day it is uploaded, I hope such enthusiasm continues.
+
+I think I have just learned another lesson, and that is that I should 
+have made some sort of announcement prior to dumping the code in svn, so 
+here is the belated announcement ....
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+&lt;----------------------------------------------------------------------&gt;
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+We welcome Admin Panel !!
+
+A new piece of software that was proposed some time ago, has now reached 
+a minimum amount of code to warrant pushing up to the Mageia repo. It is 
+still in very early stages and such has plenty of issues to work out, 
+but it is a working start.
+
+Some design decisions that should be known.
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+1/ It is a general purpose tool, so should be able to be ported to other 
+distro's with as little effort as possible.
+
+2/ It is modular. The core of the program simply organises and lists 
+available Administration modules which can then be launched. The modules 
+themselves are completely stand alone. So the panel should not require 
+libraries associated with a particular distro, but the modules 
+themselves can. While it would be nice to have a single consistent 
+language, modules can be written in Perl, Python, Ruby or C++. If it is 
+a choice between a python module for a certain task or no module I 
+personally would rather have the python module, if someone is willing to 
+write, or rewrite it in Perl then that is also great.
+
+3/ Each module is the work of its individual creator, and so should be 
+copyrighted to that individual and should be seen as completely 
+independent of Admin Panel itself (Admin panel simply has the ability to 
+launch the module).  For this reason, each module should have a header 
+stating the author and license.
+
+4/ All suggestions and help is welcomed and encouraged.
+
+We hope Admin Panel evolves to be a useful tool.
+
+&lt;----------------------------------------------------------------------&gt;
+
+So that was the announcement, now for a short background.
+
+I don't want to talk for Matteo or Angelo, so my comments are purely 
+about me.
+I have never written Perl code prior to Admin Panel, and only used Perl 
+after advice from Mageia mail list and irc.
+As such I am under no illusions about it's quality, if anyone would like 
+to review my code (so far the code discussed has been Matteo's) I would 
+love to receive tips and/or criticisms. I really just read some Perl 
+basics and then put things together how I would logically think to do so 
+with little to no referencing to other Perl code or idioms, I am sure 
+there are better ways. Also I have not yet commented the code, or 
+documented how to write a module, these are still on the todo list.
+
+I really do want criticism, I wont be hurt, upset or defensive, but 
+please keep in mind that I am not a Perl dev, do not use Perl for 
+anything else, and if there is a more skilled person willing to do the 
+coding I would be more than happy to hand over the reins. I am only 
+doing this because it solves a problem I have been wanting fixed for a 
+long time, I think it would be useful for many people and am willing to 
+do it if no one else is.
+
+We still need to do a fair bit on the core of Admin Panel, I would like 
+to think we could get it pretty much done by years end (up till now I 
+have only put in 10 minutes here and there every couple of weeks), after 
+which we can start making/porting modules, and it would be great if 
+anyone who likes what we are trying to achieve, helps with the effort 
+(and you don't have to wait till the core is complete, you can start now 
+if you like).
+
+On the point of putting the license header in each file, it's not many 
+files, so I don't see a problem, though name spacing is a good idea 
+anyway. Each module will need to put in a header, so we would only be 
+saving ourselves a couple of files, so probably not worth worrying about.
+
+Anyway, I hope my contribution amounts to something eventually, and 
+please feel free to join in.
+
+Cheers
+Tuxta
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+    <B>Pascal Terjan</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 07 November 2012 10:07, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; what does rpm -qa docbook-style-xsl say?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> LC_ALL=C rpm -qa docbook-style-xsl
+</I>&gt;<i> error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#    1596 Header SHA1 digest: BAD
+</I>&gt;<i> Expected(c6ed3d6bd8d5eb24a8d846991acbb3a7470ae598) !=
+</I>&gt;<i> (a8240d38d9d4fd25e5ed19a367ea386b4f4a4229)
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+</I>So, it seems your rpm db is corrupted :(
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+Official announcement! \o/
+
+&gt;<i> We still need to do a fair bit on the core of Admin Panel
+</I>I'd like to add a more scalable solution to load modules, so
+that modules are able to be added without the need to change
+core configuration, i will work on it asap.
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+&gt;<i> Anyway, I hope my contribution amounts to something eventually,
+</I>&gt;<i> and please feel free to join in.
+</I>Yes i do believe modules are the biggest work, and we need skilled
+people here to port old things in.
+
+I think it's hard to port all, a lot of gtk hard-coded stuff is in
+our drak* code. So far i think, it would have been hard even adding
+qt to interactive...
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+- From my point of view i'd like to add a thing to previous discussion
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+and as a community we are going on as big team, I haven't worked to
+this project because old tools were bad, just to try to give something
+more -in the hope is also better- to our distro.
+So every comment is *more than* welcome, but we need to be
+constructive, just saying this or that is bad it does
+not help and frustrate people work.
+In my personal opinion, I think we had some inter-personal problems
+in the recent past, and I strongly do not want to loose enthusiastic
+contributors...
+
+And now a little addition to the design, as said we use libyui,
+that project is open source and I'm contributing by adding what
+is missed or does not work for our purpose, so when someone is
+going to work on modules he can also help in contributing in libyui
+to make it very good for our aim...
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+Cheers,
+	Angelo
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+<PRE>Le 07/11/2012 11:02, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 7 November 2012 00:33, anssi&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anssi&lt;anssi&gt;  11.2.202.251-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 315408
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - new version 11.2.202.251
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    o fixes CVE-2012-5274, CVE-2012-5275, CVE-2012-5276, CVE-2012-5277,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      CVE-2012-5278, CVE-2012-5279, CVE-2012-5280
+</I>&gt;<i> This should be pushed as an update to mga2 too as mga2 package is no
+</I>&gt;<i> more installable due to tarball having been removed on upstream URL
+</I><A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8006#3">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8006#3</A> move to updates in both 
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>Hello,
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+&gt;<i> As ruby 1.8 will be dead soon upstream, I'll push ruby 1.9 soon
+</I>&gt;<i> directly to core/release. The plan is, for those modules which cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> be built or run with ruby 1.9, or dead upstream, it should be dropped.
+</I>Could you have a look on korundum &amp; eventually kross-interpreters (4.9.3 is on 
+the way to the svn only for the moment)
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+For korundum for example it's failed to build due to a hidden function (see 
+<A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=287057">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=287057</A> &amp; <A HREF="http://bugs.ruby-">http://bugs.ruby-</A>
+lang.org/issues/5174 )
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+Kross can be build if we disable ruby support (which is what i did currently).
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+Regards,
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+    <B>zezinho</B> 
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+&gt;<i> How is the procedure for adding games in &#171;task-games&#187;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Can I just add any game or is there a policy or rule as to whom, how or which games can be added?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Just add the games you want : the idea is to install all good games in 
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+    <B>zezinho</B> 
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+&gt;<i> In case the drivers are not good enough, GNOME 3 will be unusable.
+</I>
+All is said here : I install lots of Mageia on bad hardware. Always used 
+KDE that disables eyecandy if drivers or hardware suck.
+
+I don't think Gnome can afford Microsoft huge requirements policy : we 
+often have
+- recent hardware without even closed source driver support
+- good hardware no more supported by closed source driver
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+
+On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 00:39:43 +0200
+Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm including here a draft of a letter we are planning to send to the Software
+</I>&gt;<i> Freedom Law Center ( SFLC- <A HREF="http://www.softwarefreedom.org/">http://www.softwarefreedom.org/</A> ) about faac vs.
+</I>&gt;<i> cinelerra. (see the last meeting at 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-11-06-20.09.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-11-06-20.09.html</A> for
+</I>&gt;<i> more information). Note that the SFLC does not charge for its advice (but
+</I>&gt;<i> accepts donations).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Any comments will be welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+if anyone has any comments on this (including typos and &quot;Ship it!&quot;) please
+share them.
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish
+
+
+-- 
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
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+
+Real programmers don&#8217;t write workarounds. They tell their users to upgrade
+their software.
+
+Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> .
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+&gt;<i> So our question is: assuming we package faac as a package, can we still
+</I>&gt;<i> provide pre-made and binary packages of GPLed programs that use it?
+</I>
+you can add few words about interoperability
+<A HREF="http://interoperability-definition.info/en/">http://interoperability-definition.info/en/</A>
+which allows to read legally acquired datas.
+
+-- 
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+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org">http://abul.org</A>
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Just add the games you want : the idea is to install all good games in 
+</I>&gt;<i> one click.
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+Nice. :-)=
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+Funda please do not push akonadi ( You haven't commited ) when we are in 
+freeze to generate the Alpha3 isos. Anne already sent a mail about the freeze 
+some days ago. Hopefully you have not break anything but PLEASE, do not touch 
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 06 November 2012 23:39, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+&gt;<i> Dear sirs or madams,
+</I>
+To me, this sounds a little to generic, a little to unformal when contacting a law firm.
+I feel that if you're using &#171;Dear XXX&#187; there should be one or the other. I.e. Either Sir og Madam, but then you need to know the gender of the one responding. and that can be a little tricky. ;-)=
+
+Consider using a more generinc term, like &#171;Greetings&#187; or &#171;Good morgning&#187; (depending on the time of day you send the email.) or a similar term.
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> &gt; LC_ALL=C rpm -qa docbook-style-xsl
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# &#160; &#160;1596 Header SHA1 digest: BAD
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Expected(c6ed3d6bd8d5eb24a8d846991acbb3a7470ae598) !=
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> So, it seems your rpm db is corrupted :(
+</I>
+And now it's fine, and I did nothing to fix it exept reboting the guest and host.
+Oh well. The wonders of computers. You never quite know what they'll do next. ;-)=
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 06 November 2012 23:39, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Dear sirs or madams,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To me, this sounds a little to generic, a little to unformal when
+</I>&gt;<i> contacting a law firm.
+</I>&gt;<i> I feel that if you're using &#171;Dear XXX&#187; there should be one or the other.
+</I>&gt;<i> I.e. Either Sir og Madam, but then you need to know the gender of the one
+</I>&gt;<i> responding. and that can be a little tricky. ;-)=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, this is wrong, you *cannot* use just one, it has to be both. You could
+</I>have Dear Sir/Madam,  but the correct usage is as originally stated. This
+is an official letter, and therefore should have the official address to
+the recipient.
+
+Consider using a more generinc term, like &#171;Greetings&#187; or &#171;Good morgning&#187;
+&gt;<i> (depending on the time of day you send the email.) or a similar term.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is far too colloquial, and unsuitable for a letter to an official body.
+
+Donald 'Schultz' Stewart
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+On 08/11/2012 09:15, Donald Stewart wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 8 November 2012 00:45, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tuesday 06 November 2012 23:39, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dear sirs or madams,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> To me, this sounds a little to generic, a little to unformal when 
+</I>&gt;<i> contacting a law firm. I feel that if you're using &#171;Dear XXX&#187; there
+</I>&gt;<i> should be one or the other. I.e. Either Sir og Madam, but then you
+</I>&gt;<i> need to know the gender of the one responding. and that can be a
+</I>&gt;<i> little tricky. ;-)=
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> No, this is wrong, you *cannot* use just one, it has to be both.
+</I>&gt;<i> You could have Dear Sir/Madam,  but the correct usage is as
+</I>&gt;<i> originally stated.
+</I>
+Except that it should be singular, as you mention, not plural as the
+original.
+
+&gt;<i> This is an official letter, and therefore should have the official
+</I>&gt;<i> address to the recipient.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Consider using a more generinc term, like &#171;Greetings&#187; or &#171;Good 
+</I>&gt;<i> morgning&#187; (depending on the time of day you send the email.) or a 
+</I>&gt;<i> similar term.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This is far too colloquial, and unsuitable for a letter to an
+</I>&gt;<i> official body.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Agreed.
+
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>2012/11/8 Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cannewilson at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is an official letter, and therefore should have the official
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> address to the recipient.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Consider using a more generinc term, like &#171;Greetings&#187; or &#171;Good
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> morgning&#187; (depending on the time of day you send the email.) or a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> similar term.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is far too colloquial, and unsuitable for a letter to an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> official body.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed.
+</I>
+Yes, +1
+
+But here we have the differences of English &quot;rules&quot; in different
+countries and even schools. In Germany in &quot;Business English&quot; I learned
+to address the recipient in an official letter with
+
+&quot;Madam, Sir,
+
+On behalf of........&quot;
+
+No &quot;dear&quot; or &quot;forever yours&quot; :)
+
+I received some official letters with that same address from English
+companies (mostly unwanted business offers but nevertheless), one even
+from a company specialized in setting up LTD organisations by UK laws.
+
+-- 
+wobo
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+On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:15:09 +0000
+Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 8 November 2012 00:45, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tuesday 06 November 2012 23:39, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Dear sirs or madams,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To me, this sounds a little to generic, a little to unformal when
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; contacting a law firm.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I feel that if you're using &#171;Dear XXX&#187; there should be one or the other.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I.e. Either Sir og Madam, but then you need to know the gender of the one
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; responding. and that can be a little tricky. ;-)=
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> No, this is wrong, you *cannot* use just one, it has to be both. You could
+</I>&gt;<i> have Dear Sir/Madam,  but the correct usage is as originally stated. This
+</I>&gt;<i> is an official letter, and therefore should have the official address to
+</I>&gt;<i> the recipient.
+</I>
+Right.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Consider using a more generinc term, like &#171;Greetings&#187; or &#171;Good morgning&#187;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (depending on the time of day you send the email.) or a similar term.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This is far too colloquial, and unsuitable for a letter to an official body.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I also agree.
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish
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+    <B>Armando B.</B> 
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+what do we think about release also xfce / lxde live cd for Mageia 3 ?
+
+i saw <A HREF="http://shimmerproject.org/project/greybird/">http://shimmerproject.org/project/greybird/</A> theme that could be a
+good look, or also
+<A HREF="http://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/maya/xfce.png">http://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/maya/xfce.png</A> theme used by
+Mint 13.
+
+I would like also to have a remaster guide to produce installable live cd /
+dvd from installed Mageia 3.
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+Armando
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+Pierre Jarillon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jarillon at abul.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 6 novembre 2012 23:39:43, Shlomi Fish a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So our question is: assuming we package faac as a package, can we still
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; provide pre-made and binary packages of GPLed programs that use it?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> you can add few words about interoperability
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://interoperability-definition.info/en/">http://interoperability-definition.info/en/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> which allows to read legally acquired datas.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I have read that page, but I don't understand how interoperability is related
+here? The problem is that strong copyleft licences such as the GPL impose
+restrictions on what are the acceptable licenses they can be linked against,
+which undermines compatibility. I'm not sure I'm happy with that, but many
+developers seem to like using these licences.
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish
+
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+    <B>Trish Fraser</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi Donald and Johnny,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:15:09 +0000
+</I>&gt;<i> Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 8 November 2012 00:45, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Tuesday 06 November 2012 23:39, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Dear sirs or madams,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; To me, this sounds a little to generic, a little to unformal when
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; contacting a law firm.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I feel that if you're using &#171;Dear XXX&#187; there should be one or the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; other. I.e. Either Sir og Madam, but then you need to know the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; gender of the one responding. and that can be a little
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; tricky. ;-)=
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No, this is wrong, you *cannot* use just one, it has to be both.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You could have Dear Sir/Madam,  but the correct usage is as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; originally stated. This is an official letter, and therefore should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; have the official address to the recipient.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Right.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Consider using a more generinc term, like &#171;Greetings&#187; or &#171;Good
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; morgning&#187; (depending on the time of day you send the email.) or a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; similar term.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is far too colloquial, and unsuitable for a letter to an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; official body.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I also agree.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 	Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+If we're being formal and correct, it should be &quot;Dear Sirs/Mesdames&quot;, I'm fairly sure.
+
+Cheers,
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Donald and Johnny,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:15:09 +0000
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On 8 November 2012 00:45, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Tuesday 06 November 2012 23:39, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Dear sirs or madams,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; To me, this sounds a little to generic, a little to unformal when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; contacting a law firm.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I feel that if you're using &#171;Dear XXX&#187; there should be one or the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; other. I.e. Either Sir og Madam, but then you need to know the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; gender of the one responding. and that can be a little
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; tricky. ;-)=
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; No, this is wrong, you *cannot* use just one, it has to be both.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; You could have Dear Sir/Madam,  but the correct usage is as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; originally stated. This is an official letter, and therefore should
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; have the official address to the recipient.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Right.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Consider using a more generinc term, like &#171;Greetings&#187; or &#171;Good
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; morgning&#187; (depending on the time of day you send the email.) or a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; similar term.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; This is far too colloquial, and unsuitable for a letter to an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; official body.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I also agree.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we're being formal and correct, it should be &quot;Dear Sirs/Mesdames&quot;, I'm fairly sure.
+</I>
+Really? Having a mix of English and French?
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Trish Fraser at 08/11/12 10:36 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> If we're being formal and correct, it should be &quot;Dear Sirs/Mesdames&quot;, I'm fairly sure.
+</I>
+I've never seen plural froms in formal letters before so this is new to
+me. I've only ever seen and used &quot;Dear Sir/Madam&quot; or &quot;To whom it may
+concern&quot;.
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+</I>We have just managed to reduce the number of medias : it was to much for 
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+<PRE>On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 09:15 +0000, Donald Stewart wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 8 November 2012 00:45, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tuesday 06 November 2012 23:39, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Dear sirs or madams,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To me, this sounds a little to generic, a little to unformal [...]
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; No, this is wrong, you *cannot* use just one, it has to be both. You could
+</I>&gt;<i> have Dear Sir/Madam,  but the correct usage is as originally stated. This
+</I>&gt;<i> is an official letter, and therefore should have the official address to
+</I>&gt;<i> the recipient.
+</I>
+Dear Sir or Madam
+is appropriate (note the capitalization).
+
+You could also be more specific, or, better yet, find out the name of
+the person or people to whom you are writing.
+
+&quot;to ask, whether and how we can&quot;
+should of course be &quot;to ask whether (and how) we can...&quot;
+with the extra comma removed.
+
+There is no such thing as a &quot;definitive legal insight&quot; in the USA. The
+way the law works is that judges (formally called &quot;courts&quot;) _interpret_
+the law.
+
+You may, however, ask for advice:
+
+&quot;We would appreciate any advice that you can give to us in this matter.&quot;
+
+
+Liam
+
+-- 
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+&gt;<i> On 8 November 2012 00:45, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tuesday 06 November 2012 23:39, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Dear sirs or madams,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To me, this sounds a little to generic, a little to unformal [...]
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; No, this is wrong, you *cannot* use just one, it has to be both. You could
+</I>&gt;<i> have Dear Sir/Madam,  but the correct usage is as originally stated. This
+</I>&gt;<i> is an official letter, and therefore should have the official address to
+</I>&gt;<i> the recipient.
+</I>
+Dear Sir or Madam
+is appropriate (note the capitalization).
+
+You could also be more specific, or, better yet, find out the name of
+the person or people to whom you are writing.
+
+&quot;to ask, whether and how we can&quot;
+should of course be &quot;to ask whether (and how) we can...&quot;
+with the extra comma removed.
+
+There is no such thing as a &quot;definitive legal insight&quot; in the USA. The
+way the law works is that judges (formally called &quot;courts&quot;) _interpret_
+the law.
+
+You may, however, ask for advice:
+
+&quot;We would appreciate any advice that you can give to us in this matter.&quot;
+
+
+Liam
+
+-- 
+Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <A HREF="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</A>
+Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
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+Begin forwarded message:
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+Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:15:26 +0100
+From: Pierre Jarillon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jarillon at abul.org</A>&gt;
+To: Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center
+(SFLC).
+
+
+Le jeudi 8 novembre 2012 11:01:32, vous avez &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 20:49:20 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Pierre Jarillon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jarillon at abul.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 6 novembre 2012 23:39:43, Shlomi Fish a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So our question is: assuming we package faac as a package, can we still
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; provide pre-made and binary packages of GPLed programs that use it?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you can add few words about interoperability
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://interoperability-definition.info/en/">http://interoperability-definition.info/en/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which allows to read legally acquired datas.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I have read that page, but I don't understand how interoperability is
+</I>&gt;<i> related here? The problem is that strong copyleft licences such as the GPL
+</I>&gt;<i> impose restrictions on what are the acceptable licenses they can be linked
+</I>&gt;<i> against, which undermines compatibility. I'm not sure I'm happy with that,
+</I>&gt;<i> but many developers seem to like using these licences.
+</I>
+I understand this view of the problem. I take another way with the freedom of 
+formats. Patents are incompatibles with interoperability. If you agree that 
+interoperability is a right, patents on interfaces must be outlaw.
+
+In Europe patents on methods, algorythms, software and ideas are not allowed, 
+but the EPO often forget that to make more money.
+
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+I'm including here a new draft of a letter we are planning to send to the
+Software Freedom Law Center ( SFLC- <A HREF="http://www.softwarefreedom.org/">http://www.softwarefreedom.org/</A> ) about
+faac vs. cinelerra. (see the last meeting at 
+<A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-11-06-20.09.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-11-06-20.09.html</A> for
+more information). Note that the SFLC does not charge for its advice (but
+accepts donations).
+
+Any comments will be welcome.
+
+I think the only change is that I changed the opening line to &quot;Dear Sir/Madam&quot;.
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish 
+
+--------------
+
+Dear Sir/Madam,
+
+I am writing you this letter on behalf of Mageia ( <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/en/">https://www.mageia.org/en/</A>
+), which is a community-developed, operating system, based on the
+GNU/Linux system and with a free-and-open-source (FOSS) core. We would like to
+ask, whether and how we can distribute pre-built packages of a GPLed program
+(in our case, the video editor cinelerra) after it was linked to a library
+with some proprietary and non-GPLed code (in our case, faac).
+
+The longer story is that there has been some demand for including faac
+( <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/faac/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/faac/</A> - the Freeware Advance Audio Coder),
+which is both non-free in part and patent encumbered, in our distribution,
+and to prepare versions of the appropriate packages for which it is an
+optional dependency. These packages, such as cinelerra (
+<A HREF="http://cinelerra.org/">http://cinelerra.org/</A> - a video editor), are licenced under
+the GPL, which restricts which code its distributed binaries may be legally
+linked to.
+
+So our question is: assuming we package faac as a package, can we still
+provide pre-made and binary packages of GPLed programs that use it?
+
+We would appreciate any definitive legal insights on the matter.
+
+Sincerely yours,
+
+&#8212; Shlomi Fish, on behalf of the Mageia development team.
+
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+    <B>Armando B.</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> no way for more official medias!
+</I>Ok, i know :)
+If we define guide lines and small procedure to produce custom live on
+wiki, we could have some unofficial live to complement live availability.
+
+it may be possible ?
+
+
+2012/11/8 Jose Jorge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Le 08/11/2012 11:24, Armando B. a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  Hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what do we think about release also xfce / lxde live cd for Mageia 3 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  We have just managed to reduce the number of medias : it was to much for
+</I>&gt;<i> our QA team. So, no way for more official medias!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+-- 
+  themonospot project - <A HREF="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot</A>
+  monosim project - <A HREF="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim</A>
+  comex project - <A HREF="http://comex-project.googlecode.com">http://comex-project.googlecode.com</A>
+  webpman project - <A HREF="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman</A>
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+
+During the last packager meeting, we decided to first clear the legal 
+issues raised by Christiaan.
+
+According to our understanding of the license 
+(<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLIncompatibleLibs">http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLIncompatibleLibs</A>), linking 
+GPL code against non-GPL code is allowed, if the copyright owner for 
+this GPL code gives an authorization.
+
+So, Shlomi is preparing a letter to the Software Freedom Law Center 
+asking if our understanding is correct, and if so, we'll just ask each 
+concerned software authors about this explicit authorization.
+
+The discussion about how to distribute faac and faac-linked software is 
+postponed to the resolution of this first step, with end of november as 
+a deadline.
+
+Here are the meeting logs, for futher information:
+<A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-11-06-20.09.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-11-06-20.09.html</A>
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+BOFH excuse #227:
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+On 08/11/2012 10:03, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/11/8 Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cannewilson at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is an official letter, and therefore should have the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> official address to the recipient.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Consider using a more generinc term, like &#171;Greetings&#187; or &#171;Good 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> morgning&#187; (depending on the time of day you send the email.) or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a similar term.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is far too colloquial, and unsuitable for a letter to an 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> official body.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Agreed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, +1
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> But here we have the differences of English &quot;rules&quot; in different 
+</I>&gt;<i> countries and even schools. In Germany in &quot;Business English&quot; I
+</I>&gt;<i> learned to address the recipient in an official letter with
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Madam, Sir,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> On behalf of........&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> No &quot;dear&quot; or &quot;forever yours&quot; :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I received some official letters with that same address from
+</I>&gt;<i> English companies (mostly unwanted business offers but
+</I>&gt;<i> nevertheless), one even from a company specialized in setting up
+</I>&gt;<i> LTD organisations by UK laws.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Yes, that sounds perfectly acceptable, and I guess is a move to
+internationalise addressing unknown people.  The traditional &quot;Dear
+Sir&quot; and &quot;Yours faithfully&quot; sounds increasingly archaic, even though
+it is still much in use.
+
+Anne
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+On 08/11/2012 10:52, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/11/8 Trish Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Donald and Johnny,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:15:09 +0000 Donald Stewart
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 8 November 2012 00:45, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tuesday 06 November 2012 23:39, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dear sirs or madams,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To me, this sounds a little to generic, a little to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unformal when contacting a law firm. I feel that if you're
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> using &#171;Dear XXX&#187; there should be one or the other. I.e.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Either Sir og Madam, but then you need to know the gender
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of the one responding. and that can be a little tricky.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ;-)=
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No, this is wrong, you *cannot* use just one, it has to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> both. You could have Dear Sir/Madam,  but the correct usage
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is as originally stated. This is an official letter, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> therefore should have the official address to the recipient.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Right.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Consider using a more generinc term, like &#171;Greetings&#187; or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#171;Good morgning&#187; (depending on the time of day you send the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> email.) or a similar term.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is far too colloquial, and unsuitable for a letter to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> an official body.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I also agree.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If we're being formal and correct, it should be &quot;Dear
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sirs/Mesdames&quot;, I'm fairly sure.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Really? Having a mix of English and French?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>LOL!  I haven't seen that for 50 years!
+
+Anne
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+Can please an admin remove from core/updates_testing the following
+mysql-workbench packages ? I forgot to add the %subrel and incremented the
+%mkrel instead:
+
+source rpm:
+
+mysql-workbench-5.2.36-3.mga2.src.rpm
+
+binary rpms:
+
+mysql-workbench-5.2.36-3.mga2.x86_64.rpm
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+
+Thanks.
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+context for our dilemma.
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish
+
+
+Dear Sir or Madam,
+
+I am writing you this letter on behalf of Mageia ( <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/en/">https://www.mageia.org/en/</A>
+), which is a community-developed, operating system, based on the
+GNU/Linux system and with a free-and-open-source (FOSS) core. We would like to
+ask whether (and how) we can distribute pre-built packages of a GPLed program
+(in our case, the video editor cinelerra) after it was linked to a library
+with some proprietary and non-GPLed code (in our case, faac).
+
+The longer story is that there has been some demand for including faac
+( <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/faac/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/faac/</A> - the Freeware Advance Audio Coder),
+which is both non-free in part and patent encumbered, in our distribution,
+and to prepare versions of the appropriate packages for which it is an
+optional dependency. These packages, such as cinelerra (
+<A HREF="http://cinelerra.org/">http://cinelerra.org/</A> - a video editor), are licenced under
+the GPL, which restricts which code its distributed binaries may be legally
+linked to.
+
+So our question is: assuming we package faac as a package, can we still
+provide pre-made and binary packages of GPLed programs that use it?
+Furthermore, would this require receiving an explicit permission from the
+copyright owner of the program under the GPL?
+
+We would appreciate any advice that you can give to us on the matter.
+
+Sincerely yours,
+
+&#8212; Shlomi Fish, on behalf of the Mageia development team.
+
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+<PRE>On 08/11/12 15:28, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+&gt;<i> Here is the third draft - I have integrated Liam's suggestions and gave more
+</I>&gt;<i> context for our dilemma.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 	Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Dear Sir or Madam,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I am writing you this letter on behalf of Mageia ( <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/en/">https://www.mageia.org/en/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ), which is a community-developed, operating system, based on the
+</I>&gt;<i> GNU/Linux system and with a free-and-open-source (FOSS) core. We would like to
+</I>&gt;<i> ask whether (and how) we can distribute pre-built packages of a GPLed program
+</I>&gt;<i> (in our case, the video editor cinelerra) after it was linked to a library
+</I>&gt;<i> with some proprietary and non-GPLed code (in our case, faac).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The longer story is that there has been some demand for including faac
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/faac/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/faac/</A> - the Freeware Advance Audio Coder),
+</I>&gt;<i> which is both non-free in part and patent encumbered, in our distribution,
+</I>&gt;<i> and to prepare versions of the appropriate packages for which it is an
+</I>&gt;<i> optional dependency. These packages, such as cinelerra (
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://cinelerra.org/">http://cinelerra.org/</A> - a video editor), are licenced under
+</I>&gt;<i> the GPL, which restricts which code its distributed binaries may be legally
+</I>&gt;<i> linked to.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So our question is: assuming we package faac as a package, can we still
+</I>&gt;<i> provide pre-made and binary packages of GPLed programs that use it?
+</I>&gt;<i> Furthermore, would this require receiving an explicit permission from the
+</I>&gt;<i> copyright owner of the program under the GPL?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We would appreciate any advice that you can give to us on the matter.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Sincerely yours,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &#8212; Shlomi Fish, on behalf of the Mageia development team.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Looks good to me Shlomi :)
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+<PRE>On Thursday 08 November 2012 10:55, Anne Wilson wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; No, this is wrong, you *cannot* use just one, it has to be both.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You could have Dear Sir/Madam, &#160;but the correct usage is as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; originally stated.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Except that it should be singular, as you mention, not plural as the
+</I>&gt;<i> original.
+</I>
+Now that you write it, I see that it's the prural usage I was reacting to.
+As long as it's singular it looks correct even to me. :-)=
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+&gt;<i> Looks good to me Shlomi :)
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+Agreed.
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+<PRE>Le 08/11/2012 20:39, mitya a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Name        : liblarch                     Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 2.1.0                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Thu Nov  8 20:38:15 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group       : System/Libraries              Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size        : 28108                            License: GPLv3
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : mitya &lt;mitya&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://live.gnome.org/liblarch">http://live.gnome.org/liblarch</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary     : A python library to easily handle data structures
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Liblarch is a python library built to easily handle data structures such as
+</I>&gt;<i> lists, trees and directed acyclic graphs (tree where nodes can have multiple
+</I>&gt;<i> parents). There's also a liblarch-gtk binding that will allow you to use your
+</I>&gt;<i> data structures in Gtk.Treeview.
+</I>If this is a python library, the package should be named python-liblarch.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Juan Luis Baptiste at 08/11/12 15:16 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Can please an admin remove from core/updates_testing the following
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql-workbench packages ? I forgot to add the %subrel and incremented
+</I>&gt;<i> the %mkrel instead:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> source rpm:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql-workbench-5.2.36-3.mga2.src.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> binary rpms:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql-workbench-5.2.36-3.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql-utilities-1.0.0-0.5.2.36.2.mga2.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql-workbench-debug-5.2.36-3.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+</I>
+Done.
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Armando B. at 08/11/12 14:01 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;<i> no way for more official medias!
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, i know :) 
+</I>&gt;<i> If we define guide lines and small procedure to produce custom live on
+</I>&gt;<i> wiki, we could have some unofficial live to complement live availability.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> it may be possible ?
+</I>
+I believe that was the desired outcome that unofficial versions would
+indeed compliment the official ones. I wasn't involved in the process
+but I certainly think this kind of thing should be encouraged!
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
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+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>andre999</B> 
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+<PRE>Shlomi Fish a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm including here a new draft of a letter we are planning to send to the
+</I>&gt;<i> Software Freedom Law Center ( SFLC- <A HREF="http://www.softwarefreedom.org/">http://www.softwarefreedom.org/</A> ) about
+</I>&gt;<i> faac vs. cinelerra. (see the last meeting at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-11-06-20.09.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2012/mageia-dev.2012-11-06-20.09.html</A> for
+</I>&gt;<i> more information). Note that the SFLC does not charge for its advice (but
+</I>&gt;<i> accepts donations).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any comments will be welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the only change is that I changed the opening line to &quot;Dear Sir/Madam&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 	Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dear Sir/Madam,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am writing you this letter on behalf of Mageia ( <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/en/">https://www.mageia.org/en/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ), which is a community-developed, operating system, based on the
+</I>&gt;<i> GNU/Linux system and with a free-and-open-source (FOSS) core. We would like to
+</I>&gt;<i> ask, whether and how we can distribute pre-built packages of a GPLed program
+</I>&gt;<i> (in our case, the video editor cinelerra) after it was linked to a library
+</I>&gt;<i> with some proprietary and non-GPLed code (in our case, faac).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The longer story is that there has been some demand for including faac
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/faac/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/faac/</A> - the Freeware Advance Audio Coder),
+</I>&gt;<i> which is both non-free in part and patent encumbered, in our distribution,
+</I>&gt;<i> and to prepare versions of the appropriate packages for which it is an
+</I>&gt;<i> optional dependency. These packages, such as cinelerra (
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://cinelerra.org/">http://cinelerra.org/</A> - a video editor), are licenced under
+</I>&gt;<i> the GPL, which restricts which code its distributed binaries may be legally
+</I>&gt;<i> linked to.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So our question is: assuming we package faac as a package, can we still
+</I>&gt;<i> provide pre-made and binary packages of GPLed programs that use it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We would appreciate any definitive legal insights on the matter.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sincerely yours,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#8212; Shlomi Fish, on behalf of the Mageia development team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Wouldn't it be acceptable if the GPL code were *optionally* linked to 
+non-GPL code, that is linked to the non-GPL code iff it were available ? 
+(that is, if installed)
+We  could pose that specific question as well.
+Just an idea ...
+
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+    <B>andre999</B> 
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+<PRE>Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 07:33:43PM -0500, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 06:56:55PM -0500, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I again suggest to read the wiki page for the issues with fallback mode.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I've read the wiki page a few times.
+It contains a number of suggestions for future development, which are 
+not entirely clear.
+Certain things suggested, if implemented, might effectively transfer 
+fallback mode to the gnome shell.
+
+Hopefully gnome 3.8 *will* transfer fallback mode to the gnome shell, so 
+that (inherently inefficient) hardware emulation is not required, and 
+gnome applications are more readily maintained in both modes.
+That would solve the major problem with gnome3.
+
+The accelerated mode could be the default for video hardware with 
+adequate capability, but even there, it should be an option.
+
+The remaining gnome3 problems will probably be solved before 3.8.
+(e.g. gtk+2 themes not working properly if at all in gtk+3, used by gnome3.)
+
+We should also consider any side-effects on other desktops which use 
+gnome components.
+
+-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+<PRE>On Friday 09 November 2012 01:55, andre999 wrote:
+&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be acceptable if the GPL code were *optionally* linked to 
+</I>&gt;<i> non-GPL code, that is linked to the non-GPL code iff it were available ? 
+</I>&gt;<i> (that is, if installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> We &#160;could pose that specific question as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> Just an idea ...
+</I>
+Good thinking.
+I think we should, since we're asking.
+
+-- 
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Thanks Col :)
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+    <B>scsijon</B> 
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+    <I>Fri Nov  9 03:16:08 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 09/11/12 02:01, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-request at mageia.org</A> wrote:
+&gt;<i> Send Mageia-dev mailing list submissions to
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+</I>&gt;<i> You can reach the person managing the list at
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
+</I>&gt;<i> than &quot;Re: Contents of Mageia-dev digest...&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Today's Topics:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     1. Re: xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3 (Jose Jorge)
+</I>&gt;<i>     2. Re: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center
+</I>&gt;<i>        (SFLC). (Liam R E Quin)
+</I>&gt;<i>     3. Re: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center
+</I>&gt;<i>        (SFLC). (Liam R E Quin)
+</I>&gt;<i>     4. Fw: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center
+</I>&gt;<i>        (SFLC). (Shlomi Fish)
+</I>&gt;<i>     5. 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center
+</I>&gt;<i>        (SFLC). (Shlomi Fish)
+</I>&gt;<i>     6. Re: xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3 (Armando B.)
+</I>&gt;<i>     7. faac: decision from the packagers meeting (Guillaume Rousse)
+</I>&gt;<i>     8. Re: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center
+</I>&gt;<i>        (SFLC). (Anne Wilson)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 1
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:48:06 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Jose Jorge&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia development mailing-list&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">509BAA06.1090004 at free.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 08/11/2012 11:24, Armando B. a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what do we think about release also xfce / lxde live cd for Mageia 3 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have just managed to reduce the number of medias : it was to much for
+</I>&gt;<i> our QA team. So, no way for more official medias!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If someone wants to provide me with a complete packagelist I'll have a 
+go building an purely Mageia3 ALPHA iso using Puppy's Woof ISO Builder. 
+However so far it's been limited to crossbuilds with Mandrake/Mageia1 
+and Mageia2 but has built with others.
+
+Else someone else can build and give me a temporary url to download.
+
+I can easily host the result on my linux website in Australia in either 
+case as a &quot;Side-build&quot; as I have room and bandwith available at present.
+
+regards
+scsijon
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+    <B>Jehan Pag&#232;s</B> 
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+    <I>Fri Nov  9 07:50:06 CET 2012</I>
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+
+I am trying to install some software and get the error:
+&lt;&lt;
+ L'installation a &#233;chou&#233;, certains fichiers sont manquants :
+    <A HREF="rsync://">rsync://</A>
+ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm
+Vous devriez mettre &#224; jour votre base de donn&#233;es urpmi.
+
+Essayer de continuer n&#233;anmoins ?
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>(basically the rsync failed)
+
+So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the
+&quot;configure media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using
+the $MIRRORLIST default until now).
+
+[Side-note: the other mirror in Japan also had faulty tainted repos. I
+wonder if there is a problem with Japan politics maybe about tainted
+softwares?]
+
+That's all good, but that's a bad user experience. Most users won't know
+how to search, and will just think it is broken.
+
+So my real question is: couldn't the $MIRRORLIST fallback to other servers
+than the &quot;closer&quot; instead of failing?
+I mean, that's one of the main point of having mirrors. It indeed allows to
+faster downloads if you take a close one, but it could/should also be used
+for falling back, hence providing &quot;installation high availability&quot;.
+
+Shouldn't that be the default behavior?
+Thanks.
+
+Jehan
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+I noticed that there are two rpm group named 'Geography' and '
+Sciences/Geosciences'. Are there any differences?
+
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 09/11/2012 02:36, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Friday 09 November 2012 01:55, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be acceptable if the GPL code were *optionally* linked to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-GPL code, that is linked to the non-GPL code iff it were available ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (that is, if installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We  could pose that specific question as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just an idea ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good thinking.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we should, since we're asking.
+</I>
+&quot;linking&quot; means &quot;at compilation time&quot;, and due to the way rpm works, 
+enforcing a strict dependency against the package providing the needed 
+symbols. Dynamic loading of some feature is a plugin mechanism, 
+involving a software modification effort. If we had to invest any time 
+for such kind of engeenering effort, it would be wiser to seek for a 
+definitive (aka faac-free) solution, rather than make the ugly solution 
+just a little bit less ugly.
+
+Now, when dealing with legal matters, if you expect a comprehensible and 
+useful answer, you'd better focus on a single issue. So, I wouldn't 
+raise additional options we might 
+eventually-realize-if-we-had-the-opportunity. KISS.
+
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #180:
+
+ether leak
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+error: /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/libvcllo.so: undefined symbol:
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+    <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B> 
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+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin: symbol lookup
+</I>&gt;<i> error: /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/libvcllo.so: undefined symbol:
+</I>&gt;<i> _ZNK3icu14LEFontInstance10getSubFontEPKDsPiiiR11LEErrorCode
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone else??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>+1 (x86-64)
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+&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at mainfox</A> ~]$ libreoffice
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin: symbol lookup
+</I>&gt;<i> error: /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/libvcllo.so: undefined symbol:
+</I>&gt;<i> _ZNK3icu14LEFontInstance10getSubFontEPKDsPiiiR11LEErrorCode
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+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone else??
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 13:56:16 +0100
+Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at mainfox</A> ~]$ libreoffice 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin: symbol lookup
+</I>&gt;<i> error: /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/libvcllo.so: undefined symbol:
+</I>&gt;<i> _ZNK3icu14LEFontInstance10getSubFontEPKDsPiiiR11LEErrorCode
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone else??
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I can reproduce the exact same problem here (x86-64, Core i3, Intel graphics,
+latest Cauldron, KDE 4):
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+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at telaviv1</A>:~$ libreoffice 
+/usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin: symbol lookup
+error: /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/libvcllo.so: undefined symbol:
+_ZNK3icu14LEFontInstance10getSubFontEPKDsPiiiR11LEErrorCode
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+), which is a community-developed, operating system, based on the
+GNU/Linux system and with a free-and-open-source (FOSS) core. We would like to
+ask whether (and how) we can distribute pre-built packages of a GPLed program
+(in our case, the video editor cinelerra) after it was linked to a library
+with some proprietary and non-GPLed code (in our case, faac).
+
+The longer story is that there has been some demand for including faac
+( <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/faac/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/faac/</A> - the Freeware Advance Audio Coder),
+which is both non-free in part and patent encumbered, in our distribution,
+and to prepare versions of the appropriate packages for which it is an
+optional dependency. These packages, such as cinelerra (
+<A HREF="http://cinelerra.org/">http://cinelerra.org/</A> - a video editor), are licenced under
+the GPL, which restricts which code its distributed binaries may be legally
+linked to.
+
+So our question is: assuming we package faac as a package, can we still
+provide pre-made and binary packages of GPLed programs that use it?
+Furthermore, would this require receiving an explicit permission from the
+copyright owner of the program under the GPL?
+
+We would appreciate any advice that you can give to us on the matter.
+
+Sincerely yours,
+
+&#8212; Shlomi Fish, on behalf of the Mageia development team.
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Draklive">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Draklive</A> ) works ?
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+2012/11/9 scsijon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">scsijon at lamiaworks.com.au</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> On 09/11/12 02:01, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-request at mageia.org</A> wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can reach the person managing the list at
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> than &quot;Re: Contents of Mageia-dev digest...&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Today's Topics:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     1. Re: xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3 (Jose Jorge)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     2. Re: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>        (SFLC). (Liam R E Quin)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     3. Re: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>        (SFLC). (Liam R E Quin)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     4. Fw: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>        (SFLC). (Shlomi Fish)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     5. 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law        Center
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>        (SFLC). (Shlomi Fish)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     6. Re: xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3 (Armando B.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     7. faac: decision from the packagers meeting (Guillaume Rousse)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     8. Re: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>        (SFLC). (Anne Wilson)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ----------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Message: 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:48:06 +0100
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> From: Jose Jorge&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To: Mageia development mailing-list&lt;mageia-dev@**mageia.org&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Message-ID:&lt;509BAA06.1090004@**free.fr &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">509BAA06.1090004 at free.fr</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 08/11/2012 11:24, Armando B. a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what do we think about release also xfce / lxde live cd for Mageia 3 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>  We have just managed to reduce the number of medias : it was to much for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> our QA team. So, no way for more official medias!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If someone wants to provide me with a complete packagelist I'll have a go
+</I>&gt;<i> building an purely Mageia3 ALPHA iso using Puppy's Woof ISO Builder.
+</I>&gt;<i> However so far it's been limited to crossbuilds with Mandrake/Mageia1 and
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia2 but has built with others.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Else someone else can build and give me a temporary url to download.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can easily host the result on my linux website in Australia in either
+</I>&gt;<i> case as a &quot;Side-build&quot; as I have room and bandwith available at present.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards
+</I>&gt;<i> scsijon
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+  monosim project - <A HREF="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim</A>
+  comex project - <A HREF="http://comex-project.googlecode.com">http://comex-project.googlecode.com</A>
+  webpman project - <A HREF="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman</A>
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+    <B>Olivier Blin</B> 
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+</I>&gt;<i> Author:   neoclust
+</I>&gt;<i> Date:     2012-11-09 21:44:52 +0100 (Fri, 09 Nov 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Do not mix tabs and spaces
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+</I>&gt;<i>     drakx/trunk/mdk-stage1/adsl.c
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 30/10/2012 15:41, Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 29/10/2012 20:43, Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 29/10/2012 16:00, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Together with --no-install, it's what you want.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed, excepted for two issues:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - it won't warn the user about the unability to write into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /var/cache/urpmi/rpms until the download start
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - it won't solve the 'you have to guess what I actually did' issue :/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could we have some kind of non-interactive, easy-to-parse,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> automation-dedicated output ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I just tested the patches.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The --download-dir option seems borken:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillaume at beria</A> trunk]$ LC_ALL=C ./urpmi  --no-install --download-dir
+</I>&gt;<i> ~/tmp/ wine64
+</I>&gt;<i> Unknown option: download-dir
+</I>&gt;<i> No package named /home/guillaume/tmp/
+</I>An error of mine while attempting to run it. However, the value of this 
+option is always ignored, in favor of the one generated from the call to 
+userdir(), which seems to be precisely made for downloading package 
+without root privileges, according to the comment:
+#mdkonline uses userdir because it runs as user
+
+So, do we really need this option, or could we assume than packages 
+downloaded without root privileges will aways end in 
+/tmp/.urpmi-&lt;uid&gt;/rpms ?
+
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #447:
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+According to Microsoft, it's by design
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+&gt;<i> So, do we really need this option, or could we assume than packages
+</I>&gt;<i> downloaded without root privileges will aways end in
+</I>&gt;<i> /tmp/.urpmi-&lt;uid&gt;/rpms ?
+</I>Answer to myself: yes, we want it, because it will easier to create a 
+new download directory and parse its content after urpmi usage, than 
+parsing urpmi output.
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+Thierry, here is a patch fixing the usage of the value given through 
+--download-dir option.
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+Feel free to commit, alongside your own patches.
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+&gt;<i> i would like to use draklive but i had some problems to use. does it (
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Draklive">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Draklive</A> ) works ?
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+STARTTLS and Cyrus-SASL I noted that the sendmail-cf package does not 
+seem to be available. It is VERY difficult and ackward, reconfiguring 
+sendmail without it. It has all of the m4 macros in it.
+
+I also noted that the mutt and whois packages seem to be missing....
+
+Any ideas?
+
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+Richard
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+&gt;<i> While teaching a class in the configuration and use of sendmail with
+</I>&gt;<i> STARTTLS and Cyrus-SASL I noted that the sendmail-cf package does not
+</I>&gt;<i> seem to be available. It is VERY difficult and ackward, reconfiguring
+</I>&gt;<i> sendmail without it. It has all of the m4 macros in it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also noted that the mutt and whois packages seem to be missing....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any ideas?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Install them ?
+
+urpmi mutt whois sendmail-cf
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+    <B>Richard Couture</B> 
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+see that they are NOT missing.
+
+Thanks
+
+
+
+
+Richard
+
+On 11/09/2012 05:42 PM, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> Richard Couture skrev 10.11.2012 00:51:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While teaching a class in the configuration and use of sendmail with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> STARTTLS and Cyrus-SASL I noted that the sendmail-cf package does not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> seem to be available. It is VERY difficult and ackward, reconfiguring
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sendmail without it. It has all of the m4 macros in it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I also noted that the mutt and whois packages seem to be missing....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any ideas?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Install them ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi mutt whois sendmail-cf
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+    <B>Bo Lan</B> 
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+My name is Bo Lan, from Boston (UTC-5). I am interested in input
+methods, 3D programs, and 3D FOSS computer games; often compile and
+install some new softwares which are not included in official medias. I
+have skills in C and Python. Mageia totally attracts me since Mageia 2.
+I hope I can join the team and become an apprentice. Can anyone be my
+mentor?
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+&gt;<i> often compile and install some new softwares which are not included in official medias.
+</I>
+This is exactly how I got involved, first in Mandriva and later Mageia. In march 2010 my favourite game was not updated in the medias since 2004, and it didn't ever work or compile.
+Two people I knew encouraged me to make a package and give one of them the spec file and they would update the package in Mandriva.
+And here I am. :-)=
+
+&gt;<i> Hope to learn from you soon.
+</I>
+Welcome aboard. :-)=
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+    <B>Remco Rijnders</B> 
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+Got this one just now:
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+The following package has bad signature:
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+</I>&gt;<i>Got this one just now:
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+</I>&gt;<i>The following package has bad signature:
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+    <B>Raghu Nayak</B> 
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+ I sorry if I am posting this to wrong mailing list. Currently I own the domain name mageialinux.com &amp; mageia.co.in
+
+ This domain name will be expiring on 27/11/2012, 20/11/2012.
+
+ As I can not afford to renew this domain anymore, I am allowing anyone here to transfer this domain name to their account (if they wish). My intension is to avoid this domain expiry &amp; some domain troll getting the hands on these domains. If no one transfers these domain, they will be available for anyone to register after their deletion from registry.
+
+ Currently this domain is hosted in name.com &amp; bigrock.in respectively, so I can transfer this domain to anyone who has a corresponding account. Transfer to other registers also possible, but will take more time.
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+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My name is Bo Lan, from Boston (UTC-5). I am interested in input
+</I>&gt;<i> methods, 3D programs, and 3D FOSS computer games; often compile and
+</I>&gt;<i> install some new softwares which are not included in official medias. I
+</I>&gt;<i> have skills in C and Python. Mageia totally attracts me since Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope I can join the team and become an apprentice. Can anyone be my
+</I>&gt;<i> mentor?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I can ;-)
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+    <B>Christian Lohmaier</B> 
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+On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Jehan Pag&#232;s &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jehan.marmottard at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the &quot;configure
+</I>&gt;<i> media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using the
+</I>&gt;<i> $MIRRORLIST default until now).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So my real question is: couldn't the $MIRRORLIST fallback to other servers
+</I>&gt;<i> than the &quot;closer&quot; instead of failing?
+</I>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3166">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3166</A>
+
+would solve all that....
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+ciao
+Christian
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+    <B>Jehan Pag&#232;s</B> 
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+
+On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Christian Lohmaier &lt;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lohmaier+mageia at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi *,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Jehan Pag&#232;s &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jehan.marmottard at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;configure
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $MIRRORLIST default until now).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So my real question is: couldn't the $MIRRORLIST fallback to other
+</I>&gt;<i> servers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; than the &quot;closer&quot; instead of failing?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3166">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3166</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> would solve all that....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Cool. :-)
+
+Jehan
+
+
+&gt;<i> ciao
+</I>&gt;<i> Christian
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 05:58:57AM +0100, Mageia wrote in &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">z4.MQf at r78.nl</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  Hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Got this one just now:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The following package has bad signature:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/klines-**handbook-4.9.2-1.mga3.noarch.**rpm:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Missing signature (OK ((none)))
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also on kmahjongg-handbook-4.9.2-1.**mga3.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>A rebuild should fixed it eventually (if it the bug does not happen on the
+same package), or eventually a sysadmin can manually fix it.
+Anyway maybe it can wait a little bit for the release of the next alpha (&amp;
+the push of 4.9.3 which is waiting on svn)
+
+Regards,
+-- 
+Balcaen John
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+This is an ibus.spec(see attachment) file I tried to make. It is the
+last release from upstream. I hope I can make it sooner just because
+this bug: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8003">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8003</A>
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+And also, the current ibus packager is little busy, due to this post:
+<A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=3814">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=3814</A>
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+This release can solve the
+bug.(<A HREF="https://github.com/ibus/ibus/commit/ead48c8748521537beb0fbbe4af95c6b9a99a8af">https://github.com/ibus/ibus/commit/ead48c8748521537beb0fbbe4af95c6b9a99a8af</A>) 
+
+However, as you see, I modified the version and release number. It works
+without any problem. But I don't know where I can get a revision number
+in changelog.
+
+Thank you for your teach.
+
+Bo
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+<PRE>2012/11/10 Jehan Pag&#232;s &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jehan.marmottard at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Christian Lohmaier
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lohmaier+mageia at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi *,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Jehan Pag&#232;s &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jehan.marmottard at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;configure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; $MIRRORLIST default until now).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; So my real question is: couldn't the $MIRRORLIST fallback to other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; servers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; than the &quot;closer&quot; instead of failing?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3166">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3166</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would solve all that....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cool. :-)
+</I>
+Yes, extremely cool! :) This is one of my favourite bugs of all times.
+Remember, this bug is older than Mageia itself! The ability of urpm to
+switch mirrors in case of a not responding or not up-to-date mirror
+was requested in Mandriva almost right after $MIRRORDIR was
+implemented (3-4 years ago?).
+
+Hopefully somebody with the necessary knowledge could find the time to
+implement the solution discussed here and assigned to webteam 5 months
+ago.
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+<PRE>Le 10/11/2012 10:41, Christian Lohmaier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi *,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Jehan Pag&#232;s&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jehan.marmottard at gmail.com</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the &quot;configure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $MIRRORLIST default until now).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So my real question is: couldn't the $MIRRORLIST fallback to other servers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> than the &quot;closer&quot; instead of failing?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3166">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3166</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> would solve all that....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ciao
+</I>&gt;<i> Christian
+</I>
+or someone with perl/catalyst knowledge to extend the current checks 
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+Hi !
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+&gt;<i>From time to time I have a glance to the work in progress inside the
+</I>Mageia Wiki
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+I just saw that you didn't find the drakperm screen inside the MCC
+
+Indeed it exists but is only a screen inside MSEC : you can't directly
+access to it from the MCC but only after launched MSEC from the MCC
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+here's an attached snapshot (hope it's viewable)
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+Hope it will help
+
+Regards
+Philippe
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+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> --- Comment #9 from Barry Jackson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">zen25000 at zen.co.uk</A>&gt; 2012-11-06 12:34:00 CET ---
+</I>
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It's better to test builds in a clean chroot with only a base system, build
+</I>&gt;<i> tools and BuildRequires installed. This can be done locally using the same tool
+</I>&gt;<i> that is used by the BS - iurt. It helps to have a local mirror, but it can also
+</I>&gt;<i> be used with urpmi-proxy, which stores the regularly required rpms locally so
+</I>&gt;<i> they are available for the chroot re-builds.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Before becoming an apprentice maintainer and being able to commit, I
+need to learn this...
+
+Thanks for your help...
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+    <B>Richard Couture</B> 
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+It could be ackward using one without the other. Sendmail and m4 ARE on 
+the distribution DVD but sendmail-cf is not.
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+Richard
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+On 11/09/2012 06:13 PM, Richard Couture wrote:
+&gt;<i> I only had the DVD at the time and no Internet connection, but, glad to
+</I>&gt;<i> see that they are NOT missing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Richard
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 11/09/2012 05:42 PM, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Richard Couture skrev 10.11.2012 00:51:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> While teaching a class in the configuration and use of sendmail with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> STARTTLS and Cyrus-SASL I noted that the sendmail-cf package does not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> seem to be available. It is VERY difficult and ackward, reconfiguring
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sendmail without it. It has all of the m4 macros in it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I also noted that the mutt and whois packages seem to be missing....
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Any ideas?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install them ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi mutt whois sendmail-cf
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+sorry for the previous post !
+wrong place !
+I ought to have add a comment in bugzilla instead of trying to answer on
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+On 10/11/2012 15:44, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+&gt;<i> to Marja
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi !
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> From time to time I have a glance to the work in progress inside
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Wiki
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I just saw that you didn't find the drakperm screen inside the MCC
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed it exists but is only a screen inside MSEC : you can't
+</I>&gt;<i> directly access to it from the MCC but only after launched MSEC
+</I>&gt;<i> from the MCC
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> here's an attached snapshot (hope it's viewable)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hope it will help
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards Philippe
+</I>
+
+Thanks Philippe, both for checking our work from time to time and for
+this mail. :)
+
+The screen in the snapshot is the one I get when starting msecgui and
+go to &quot;Security settings&quot; - &quot;permissions&quot;
+
+However, when doing drakperm I get a different screen than that one. I
+do not think it is the same.
+
+I'll attach a screenshot.
+
+Cheers,
+Marja
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+    <B>Richard Couture</B> 
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+interested in using it and pointing it to where-ever.
+
+If there is lack of interes, I could use the name to point to my 
+mageia-distribution mirror in Zurich.
+
+I is network solutions for all of my domains and my account there is
+20309630 under the name Richard Couture.
+
+If this is acceptable, let me know and I will set up the proper 
+resolutions to comply with the RFC pending decisions as to where the 
+domain should point to and arrange for the transfer of funds.
+
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+Richard
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+On 11/10/2012 02:55 AM, Raghu Nayak wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi All,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I sorry if I am posting this to wrong mailing list. Currently I own the
+</I>&gt;<i> domain name mageialinux.com &amp; mageia.co.in
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This domain name will be expiring on 27/11/2012, 20/11/2012.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I can not afford to renew this domain anymore, I am allowing anyone
+</I>&gt;<i> here to transfer this domain name to their account (if they wish). My
+</I>&gt;<i> intension is to avoid this domain expiry &amp; some domain troll getting the
+</I>&gt;<i> hands on these domains. If no one transfers these domain, they will be
+</I>&gt;<i> available for anyone to register after their deletion from registry.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently this domain is hosted in name.com &amp; bigrock.in respectively,
+</I>&gt;<i> so I can transfer this domain to anyone who has a corresponding account.
+</I>&gt;<i> Transfer to other registers also possible, but will take more time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for reading.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Raghu
+</I>
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+On 10/11/2012 17:19, Marja van Waes wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 10/11/2012 15:44, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to Marja
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi !
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> From time to time I have a glance to the work in progress
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> inside the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia Wiki
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just saw that you didn't find the drakperm screen inside the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MCC
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed it exists but is only a screen inside MSEC : you can't 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> directly access to it from the MCC but only after launched MSEC 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from the MCC
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here's an attached snapshot (hope it's viewable)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hope it will help
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards Philippe
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks Philippe, both for checking our work from time to time and
+</I>&gt;<i> for this mail. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The screen in the snapshot is the one I get when starting msecgui
+</I>&gt;<i> and go to &quot;Security settings&quot; - &quot;permissions&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> However, when doing drakperm I get a different screen than that
+</I>&gt;<i> one. I do not think it is the same.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll attach a screenshot.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Found it in the changelog for drakconf:
+<A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/rpms/db496e5b0c779fd6d04146c16db8c594/changelog">http://sophie.zarb.org/rpms/db496e5b0c779fd6d04146c16db8c594/changelog</A>
+
+scroll down to:
+
+Thu Jan 22 2009 Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eugeni at mandriva.com</A>&gt; 12.1-1mdv2009.1
++ Revision: 332392
+- - Version 12.1 - 21 January 2009, Eugeni Dodonov
+- - removed entry for drakperm (now handled by msecgui)
+- - add support for msecgui
+- - changed description for draksec functionality
+
+Is drakperm as command line tool still usable and being used, or
+should it have been obsoleted?
+
+Cheers,
+Marja
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+<PRE>Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 10/11/2012 17:19, Marja van Waes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 10/11/2012 15:44, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to Marja
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi !
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> From time to time I have a glance to the work in progress
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> inside the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia Wiki
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just saw that you didn't find the drakperm screen inside the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> MCC
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed it exists but is only a screen inside MSEC : you can't 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> directly access to it from the MCC but only after launched MSEC 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from the MCC
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> here's an attached snapshot (hope it's viewable)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hope it will help
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards Philippe
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks Philippe, both for checking our work from time to time and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for this mail. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The screen in the snapshot is the one I get when starting msecgui
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and go to &quot;Security settings&quot; - &quot;permissions&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, when doing drakperm I get a different screen than that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one. I do not think it is the same.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll attach a screenshot.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Found it in the changelog for drakconf:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/rpms/db496e5b0c779fd6d04146c16db8c594/changelog">http://sophie.zarb.org/rpms/db496e5b0c779fd6d04146c16db8c594/changelog</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> scroll down to:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thu Jan 22 2009 Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eugeni at mandriva.com</A>&gt; 12.1-1mdv2009.1
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 332392
+</I>&gt;<i> - Version 12.1 - 21 January 2009, Eugeni Dodonov
+</I>&gt;<i> - removed entry for drakperm (now handled by msecgui)
+</I>&gt;<i> - add support for msecgui
+</I>&gt;<i> - changed description for draksec functionality
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Is drakperm as command line tool still usable and being used, or
+</I>&gt;<i> should it have been obsoleted?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marja
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Indeed... you're right there's no more any access to drakperm in the MCC
+! and it's replaced now by MSEC GUI handling it
+
+I remembered  having used drakperm in old Mandriva until 2008.1
+In the MCC of Mandriva 2008.1 we could still  access to it (see attached
+snapshot : it's the icon on upper right corner)
+
+and it disappeared in Mandiva 2010.1 (I never had to use it then and I
+didn't notice it was no more here)
+
+drakperm still exists and can be launched from a console as root... but
+I don't know if it's still useable... and useful ?
+I think MSEC may overwrite the modifications applied by drakperm
+
+Regards
+Philippe
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+&gt;<i> Shouldn't the sendmail-cf be on the same media as the sendmail package? It 
+</I>&gt;<i> could be ackward using one without the other. Sendmail and m4 ARE on the 
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution DVD but sendmail-cf is not.
+</I>
+IMHO sendmail shouldn't be on the DVD, but if it is, sendmail-cf 
+should be included as well. Maybe I should just add it as a dependency 
+of sendmail, it's not like something will break because sendmail-cf is 
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+On 10/11/2012 18:06, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+&gt;<i> Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Found it in the changelog for drakconf: 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/rpms/db496e5b0c779fd6d04146c16db8c594/changelog">http://sophie.zarb.org/rpms/db496e5b0c779fd6d04146c16db8c594/changelog</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>scroll down to:
+&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thu Jan 22 2009 Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eugeni at mandriva.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 12.1-1mdv2009.1 + Revision: 332392 - Version 12.1 - 21 January
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2009, Eugeni Dodonov - removed entry for drakperm (now handled by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> msecgui) - add support for msecgui - changed description for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> draksec functionality
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is drakperm as command line tool still usable and being used, or 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should it have been obsoleted?
+</I>
+s/command line tool/tool that can be started from cli/
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed... you're right there's no more any access to drakperm in
+</I>&gt;<i> the MCC ! and it's replaced now by MSEC GUI handling it
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I remembered  having used drakperm in old Mandriva until 2008.1 In
+</I>&gt;<i> the MCC of Mandriva 2008.1 we could still  access to it (see
+</I>&gt;<i> attached snapshot : it's the icon on upper right corner)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> and it disappeared in Mandiva 2010.1 (I never had to use it then
+</I>&gt;<i> and I didn't notice it was no more here)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> drakperm still exists and can be launched from a console as root...
+</I>&gt;<i> but I don't know if it's still useable... and useful ? I think MSEC
+</I>&gt;<i> may overwrite the modifications applied by drakperm
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+OK, thanks Philippe.
+
+So there seems no need to write anything about it.
+
+It is part of the drakxtools package, btw, I don't know why I thought
+for a moment that it could be a separate package that could be
+obsoleted, if it has indeed become useless.
+
+@ tv
+
+Do you agree with documentation team ignoring drakperm, or is the tool
+still good and used?
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+I am not brave enough to do that.
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+    <B>Raghu Nayak</B> 
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+ This is fine with me. Please follow the following steps.
+
+ 1. domain: mageialinux.com : Register name.com account &amp; let me know the account code.
+ 2. domain: mageia.co.in : Register a bigrock.in account &amp; let me know the account code &amp; registered email address.
+
+ Both transfers take couple of seconds once initiated &amp; completely free. Once you have it in your account, you are free to transfer them to network solutions/other registers of your choice.
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+Regards,
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+ Raghu color='black' size='2' face='arial'&gt;
+----- Original Message -----
+From: Richard Couture
+Sent: 11/10/12 09:52 PM
+To: Mageia development mailing-list
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+
+ I would be happy to maintain the domain for the community if they are interested in using it and pointing it to where-ever. If there is lack of interes, I could use the name to point to my mageia-distribution mirror in Zurich. I is network solutions for all of my domains and my account there is 20309630 under the name Richard Couture. If this is acceptable, let me know and I will set up the proper resolutions to comply with the RFC pending decisions as to where the domain should point to and arrange for the transfer of funds. Richard On 11/10/2012 02:55 AM, Raghu Nayak wrote: &gt; Hi All, &gt; &gt; I sorry if I am posting this to wrong mailing list. Currently I own the &gt; domain name mageialinux.com &amp; mageia.co.in &gt; &gt; This domain name will be expiring on 27/11/2012, 20/11/2012. &gt; &gt; As I can not afford to renew this domain anymore, I am allowing anyone &gt; here to transfer this domain name to their account (if they wish). My &gt; intension is to avoid this domain expiry &amp; some domain troll 
+ getting the &gt; hands on these domains. If no one transfers these domain, they will be &gt; available for anyone to register after their deletion from registry. &gt; &gt; Currently this domain is hosted in name.com &amp; bigrock.in respectively, &gt; so I can transfer this domain to anyone who has a corresponding account. &gt; Transfer to other registers also possible, but will take more time. &gt; &gt; Thanks for reading. &gt; &gt; Regards, &gt; &gt; Raghu -- LinuxCabal Asociaci&#243;n Civil Ing. Richard Couture Novell CNE, ECNE, MCNE HP/Compaq ASE Tel.: (+52) (333) 145-2638 Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7505 Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7506 Web: <A HREF="http://www.LinuxCabal.org">http://www.LinuxCabal.org</A> E-Mail: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rrc at linuxcabal.org</A> Hosted en la nube Cloud Sigma - www.CloudSigma.com AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este correo electr&#243;nico, incluyendo en su caso, los archivos adjuntos al mismo, pueden contener informaci&#243;n de car&#225;cter confidencial y/o privilegiada, y se env&#237;an a la atenci&#243;n &#250;nica y exclusivamente de la persona y/o entidad a quien va dirigido
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+
+&#22312; 2012&#24180;11&#26376;9&#26085;&#26143;&#26399;&#20116;&#65292;Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; &#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
+&gt;<i> Hi Robert,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 13:56:16 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at mainfox</A> ~]$ libreoffice
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin: symbol lookup
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> error: /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/libvcllo.so: undefined symbol:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _ZNK3icu14LEFontInstance10getSubFontEPKDsPiiiR11LEErrorCode
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyone else??
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can reproduce the exact same problem here (x86-64, Core i3, Intel
+</I>graphics,
+&gt;<i> latest Cauldron, KDE 4):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at telaviv1</A>:~$ libreoffice
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin: symbol lookup
+</I>&gt;<i> error: /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/libvcllo.so: undefined symbol:
+</I>&gt;<i> _ZNK3icu14LEFontInstance10getSubFontEPKDsPiiiR11LEErrorCode
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>         Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> C++ supports Object&#8208;Oriented Programming roughly as much as COBOL supports
+</I>&gt;<i> Functional Programming.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> .
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+&gt;<i> Name        : gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg         Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 0.10.13                           Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 5.mga3                        Build Date: Sat Sep  1 13:09:14 2012
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+&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0.10.13-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 286909
+</I>&gt;<i> - update bundled gstreamer to 0.7.13
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  + ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>    - use internal ffmpeg as external does not build
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+AFAIK it needs to be in the 'tainted' repository (MPEG4 AVC aka h.264 
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+&gt;<i> Revision 6430 Author neoclust Date 2012-11-09 21:44:52 +0100 (Fri, 09 Nov
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> Do not mix tabs and spaces
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+Please refrain to do this on soft you don't maintain.
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Too old I think, please try latest icu and libreoffice.
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+&gt;<i> On 9 November 2012 21:44,  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 6430 Author neoclust Date 2012-11-09 21:44:52 +0100 (Fri, 09 Nov
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012)
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please refrain to do this on soft you don't maintain.
+</I>&gt;<i> What's more this got in the way of svn/git blame...
+</I>
+What could/should be done about fixing code style then? (not
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+Thierry Vignaud
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+&gt;<i> On 9 November 2012 21:44,  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Revision 6430 Author neoclust Date 2012-11-09 21:44:52 +0100 (Fri, 09 Nov
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please refrain to do this on soft you don't maintain.
+</I>&gt;<i> What's more this got in the way of svn/git blame...
+</I>
+Not sure about git or svn, but &quot;hg annotate&quot; has an option to ignore
+whitespace changes, so I figure other VCSes probably have it too.
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+&gt;<i> Name        : drakx-installer-stage2       Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 14.50                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Thu Nov  8 13:35:15 2012
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+</I>&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 14.50-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 316454
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for new ldetect-lst
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This was useless as the ldetect-lst you reacted on was submitted to 
+2/core/updates_testing :)
+
+Latest ldetect-lst in culdron got included in 
+drakx-installer-stage2-14.48-2.mga3 rebuild on Oct 31st ...
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+&gt;<i> Revision 6434 Author neoclust Date 2012-11-11 12:44:08 +0100 (Sun, 11 Nov
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+NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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+Stop doing that.
+Though I wasn't fond of your first commit, once it's there, don't
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+&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 14.50-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 316454
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new ldetect-lst
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This was useless as the ldetect-lst you reacted on was submitted to
+</I>&gt;<i> 2/core/updates_testing :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Latest ldetect-lst in culdron got included in
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx-installer-stage2-14.48-2.mga3 rebuild on Oct 31st ...
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+    <B>Luc Menut</B> 
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+After UsrMove, /bin and /sbin are symlinks to /usr/bin and /usr/sbin.
+For the moment, the default $PATH in cauldron is still /bin:/usr/bin:... 
+for normal users, and /sbin:/usr/sbin/... for root, so that 'which 
+a-binary' report that all /usr/[s]bin/... binaries are located in /bin 
+or /sbin instead.
+(some discussions about this on fedora devel mailing list [1]).
+
+While it is not optimal to prefer the indirect path via symlink instead 
+of the direct /usr/[s]bin/ path, it can trigger weird bugs difficult to 
+detect, when there is automatic prefix detection based on the location 
+of a binary (either at buildtime or at runtime).
+eg. bug #7119 is due to an incorrect detection of the X11 prefix at 
+buildtime; it is detected as &quot;/&quot; instead of &quot;/usr&quot;, so that 
+systemsettings searchs evdev.xml at &quot;/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml&quot; 
+instead of &quot;/usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml&quot;.
+It seems to introduce non-optimal path for interpreter program in 
+shebang line for some perl or python scripts [1].
+
+So, we should probably drop /bin and /sbin from all search paths, in 
+shadow-utils (/etc/login.defs), util-linux (&quot;/bin/su - &quot; doesn't use 
+/etc/login.defs), openssh, ...
+
+I think that we should drop these dirs from our defaults $PATH, before a 
+future mass rebuild.
+
+WDYT?
+
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+
+Regards,
+Luc
+
+
+[1] from Fedora
+<A HREF="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-February/162720.html">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-February/162720.html</A>
+<A HREF="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-September/171559.html">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-September/171559.html</A>
+<A HREF="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-October/173220.html">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-October/173220.html</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=797557">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=797557</A>
+
+[2] on my system, grep &quot;#\!/bin/perl&quot; /usr/bin/*
+/usr/bin/aclocal:#!/bin/perl -w
+/usr/bin/aclocal-1.12:#!/bin/perl -w
+/usr/bin/aclocal-1.8:#!/bin/perl -w
+/usr/bin/aclocal-1.9:#!/bin/perl -w
+/usr/bin/automake:#!/bin/perl -w
+/usr/bin/automake-1.12:#!/bin/perl -w
+/usr/bin/automake-1.8:#!/bin/perl -w
+/usr/bin/automake-1.9:#!/bin/perl -w
+/usr/bin/c_rehash:#!/bin/perl5
+/usr/bin/diffpp:#!/bin/perl
+/usr/bin/gdialog:#!/bin/perl
+/usr/bin/sliceprint:#!/bin/perl
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+/usr/bin/xscreensaver-getimage-video:#!/bin/perl5 -w
+/usr/bin/xscreensaver-text:#!/bin/perl5 -w
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+/usr/bin/cheetah:#!/bin/python
+/usr/bin/cheetah-analyze:#!/bin/python
+/usr/bin/cheetah-compile:#!/bin/python
+/usr/bin/django-admin.py:#!/bin/python
+/usr/bin/easy_install:#!/bin/python
+/usr/bin/easy_install-2.7:#!/bin/python
+/usr/bin/mako-render:#!/bin/python
+/usr/bin/manhole:#!/bin/python
+/usr/bin/mgarepo:#!/bin/python
+/usr/bin/ndiff:#!/bin/python
+/usr/bin/pyhtmlizer:#!/bin/python
+/usr/bin/tap2deb:#!/bin/python
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+it seems to be distro-related.  Google searching indicates that other 
+distros use either gnome-power-manager or xfce4-power-manager to meet 
+the need, but there is no GUI and no hint as to which config files 
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+The interesting thing is that most people complaining of the lack of a 
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+Mageia is that sleep is *on* by default when the lid is closed under 
+LXDE, and I want to turn it *off*.
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+but in stable releases? I thought they should be fixed at the same time.
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+BTW, is there any reason why we won't upgrade to mariadb 5.5.28 at the
+moment?
+
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+2012/11/11 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> I just upgrade to alpha3 from mga2. It went very smoothly.
+</I>&gt;<i> But a cannot upgrade mariadb to cauldron because its older then the
+</I>&gt;<i> installed package. rel.2 vs. rel
+</I>&gt;<i> 2
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not brave enough to do that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas Spuhler
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+<PRE>Le lundi 12 novembre 2012 06:46:34 Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> So it means some bugs or even security problems are not fixed in cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> but in stable releases? I thought they should be fixed at the same time.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, is there any reason why we won't upgrade to mariadb 5.5.28 at the
+</I>&gt;<i> moment?
+</I>
+freeze for alpha3 ? 
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+&gt;<i> So it means some bugs or even security problems are not fixed in cauldron but in stable
+</I>&gt;<i> releases? I thought they should be fixed at the same time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, is there any reason why we won't upgrade to mariadb 5.5.28 at the moment?
+</I>BTW, is there any reason why you don't want to respect others following this ml? I respect
+your work and all but your replies start to annoy me :)
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+<PRE>Op maandag 12 november 2012 06:46:34 schreef Funda Wang:
+&gt;<i> So it means some bugs or even security problems are not fixed in cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> but in stable releases? I thought they should be fixed at the same time.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, is there any reason why we won't upgrade to mariadb 5.5.28 at the
+</I>&gt;<i> moment?
+</I>
+
+Sorry, my bad, i was working for cauldron on restructure of configuration 
+together with upstream, and i should've updated the security fixes from mga2 to 
+cauldron as well.
+
+Wrt to 5.5.28, for stable it's unecessary, i'm patching security issues if 
+they appear, but for cauldron, i'm still hestitating on getting 5.5 or 10.X 
+branch as i had originally planned, but is delayed. In any case, cauldron is 
+not really my priority as it's a development distro, but rest assured, i will 
+have a good release ready on time, very likely before beta1.
+
+AL13N
+
+PS: please don't top-post
+
+FYI: <A HREF="https://kb.askmonty.org/en/what-is-mariadb-100/">https://kb.askmonty.org/en/what-is-mariadb-100/</A>
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> -&gt; actively look for new devices (or size-changed devices) and handle those;
+</I>&gt;<i> and thus not change all the changes you've made already.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The point of this is more like stepping stone towards the real things: ie:
+</I>&gt;<i> not aborting if there are no disks. and later adding installable
+</I>&gt;<i> network-based disks (for diskless systems).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And also, if your one of your hotplugged disks isn't correctly in it, i'd
+</I>&gt;<i> like to refresh it, so the 4th one is detected and so i can add it to the
+</I>&gt;<i> raid, for instance. instead of exiting the installer, etc...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> in any case, it seems like someone found that it showed gray for a all
+</I>&gt;<i> disks, so it might not be that good after all...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> but it would be nice for me though if i could pick your brain about the code
+</I>&gt;<i> and the way of programming though... it's not always easy to get around
+</I>&gt;<i> this kind of code.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Can i ask you in the future to look at this from time to time?
+</I>[...]
+
+Ok, so this is a new patch; this time, it's next to the toggle for expert 
+button.
+
+I do a new device check, in a separate variable and check with device file as 
+unique; if there's one that isn't in the old list. (or if it's changed size). 
+in that case i put the new entry into the old list.
+
+however, it seems that a VM shuts itself off on executing the check when a new 
+USB disk was added. :-(
+
+Maybe i'm doing some fundamentals wrong, so i'm asking here if anyone has an 
+insight, idea or direction i should go to instead.
+
+i'm thinking because i only do 1 of the 5 preparation checks for new disks, 
+that maybe not everything is done correctly yet: but a halting VM is not 
+exactly what i expected...
+
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+    <B>G&#246;tz Waschk</B> 
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> AFAIK it needs to be in the 'tainted' repository (MPEG4 AVC aka h.264
+</I>&gt;<i> decoder).
+</I>Hi Christiaan,
+the same code is in the main ffmpeg package as well, isn't it? So
+either it has to be disabled in non-tainted build or moved to tainted
+completely.
+
+Regards, G&#246;tz
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+    <B>Raghu Nayak</B> 
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+
+ Good Luck!
+
+Regards, color='black' size='2' face='arial'&gt;
+
+ Raghu
+
+----- Original Message -----
+From: Richard Couture
+Sent: 11/11/12 05:09 PM
+To: Raghu Nayak
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+
+ Here is my account code at names.com Account Code: 90xxx-bxxxx3 Richard On 11/10/2012 11:21 PM, Raghu Nayak wrote: &gt; Hi, &gt; &gt; Provide me the account code, it is displayed on top right corner once &gt; you login. &gt; &gt; example: 14212-c88386x &gt; &gt; Regards, &gt; &gt; Raghu &gt; &gt;&gt; ----- Original Message ----- &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; From: Richard Couture &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Sent: 11/11/12 07:07 AM &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; To: Raghu Nayak &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; OK, I have registered at name.com as gdlwyverex &gt;&gt; in order to facilitate the transfer of the mageialinux.com domain. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I am not interested in the mageia.co.in domain, therefore I have not &gt;&gt; registered with bigrock. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Richard &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On 11/10/2012 01:42 PM, Raghu Nayak wrote: &gt;&gt; &gt; Hi, &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; This is fine with me. Please follow the following steps. &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; 1. domain: mageialinux.com : Register name.com account&amp; let me know the &gt;&gt; &gt; account code. &gt;&gt; &gt; 2. domain: mageia.co.in : Register a bigrock.in account&amp; 
+ let me know &gt;&gt; &gt; the account code&amp; registered email address. &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Both transfers take couple of seconds once initiated&amp; completely free. &gt;&gt; &gt; Once you have it in your account, you are free to transfer them to &gt;&gt; &gt; network solutions/other registers of your choice. &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Regards, &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Raghu &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; ----- Original Message ----- &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; From: Richard Couture &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Sent: 11/10/12 09:52 PM &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; To: Mageia development mailing-list &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I would be happy to maintain the domain for the community if they are &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; interested in using it and pointing it to where-ever. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; If there is lack of interes, I could use the name to point to my &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; mageia-distribution mirror in Zurich. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I is network solutions for all of my domains and my account there is &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 20309630 under the name Richard Couture. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; If this is acceptable, let me know and I will 
+ set up the proper &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; resolutions to comply with the RFC pending decisions as to where the &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; domain should point to and arrange for the transfer of funds. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Richard &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On 11/10/2012 02:55 AM, Raghu Nayak wrote: &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Hi All, &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; I sorry if I am posting this to wrong mailing list. Currently I own the &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; domain name mageialinux.com&amp; mageia.co.in &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; This domain name will be expiring on 27/11/2012, 20/11/2012. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; As I can not afford to renew this domain anymore, I am allowing anyone &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; here to transfer this domain name to their account (if they wish). My &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; intension is to avoid this domain expiry&amp; some domain troll getting the &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; hands on these domains. If no one transfers these domain, they will be &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; available for anyone to register after their deletion from registry. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Currently this domain is hosted in name.com&amp; bigrock.in respectively, &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; so 
+ I can transfer this domain to anyone who has a corresponding account. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Transfer to other registers also possible, but will take more time. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Thanks for reading. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Regards, &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Raghu &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; -- &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; LinuxCabal Asociaci&#243;n Civil &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Ing. Richard Couture &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Novell CNE, ECNE, MCNE &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; HP/Compaq ASE &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Tel.: (+52) (333) 145-2638 &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7505 &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7506 &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Web: <A HREF="http://www.LinuxCabal.org">http://www.LinuxCabal.org</A> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; E-Mail: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rrc at linuxcabal.org</A> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Hosted en la nube Cloud Sigma - www.CloudSigma.com &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este correo electr&#243;nico, incluyendo en su &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; caso, los archivos adjuntos al mismo, pueden contener informaci&#243;n de &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; car&#225;cter confidencial y/o privilegiada, y se env&#237;an a la atenci&#243;n &#250;nica &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; y exclusivamente de la persona y/o entidad a quien va dirigido. La &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; copia, revisi&#243;n, uso, revelaci&#243;n y/o distribuci&#243;n de dicha informaci&#243;n &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 11/11/2012 19:13, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> +package LogViewer;
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +use strict;
+</I>&gt;<i> +use POSIX;
+</I>never load the POSIX module this way. Either import it without importing 
+any symbol in your namespace, either import just the symbols you need. 
+See POSIX(3pm) for details.
+
+[..]
+&gt;<i> +    $::isWizard = 1;
+</I>ugly syntax.
+
+[..]
+&gt;<i> +#- check services
+</I>&gt;<i> +my ) . Data::Dumper-&gt;Dump([ $service ], [qw(*services)]) . q(
+</I>&gt;<i> +foreach (split(':', $options{SERVICES})) {
+</I>&gt;<i> +    next unless $services{$_};
+</I>&gt;<i> +    $r .= &quot;Service $_ ($services{$_} is not running)\\n&quot; unless -e &quot;/var/lock/subsys/$_&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> +}
+</I>You shouldn't leave debugging statement in your code. Moreover, I doubt 
+this is syntactically correct. Do you use Test::Compile to check your 
+code compiles correctly ?
+
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #208:
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> AFAIK it needs to be in the 'tainted' repository (MPEG4 AVC aka h.264
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> decoder).
+</I>&gt;<i> the same code is in the main ffmpeg package as well, isn't it? So
+</I>&gt;<i> either it has to be disabled in non-tainted build or moved to tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> completely.
+</I>
+Oops, I guess you're right. I simply expected it to be disabled in the 
+'core' ffmpeg build because of all the noise about this decoder wrt open 
+source browsers (chromium has a bundled ffmpeg but the h.264 decoder is 
+only enabled in 'chrome' branded builds).
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+Le 11/11/2012 19:13, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> +## Append a custom string to log view adding date
+</I>&gt;<i> +sub logText {
+</I>&gt;<i> +    my ($st) = @_;
+</I>&gt;<i> +    my $string = chomp_(`LC_ALL=C date '+%Y %b %d %T'`) . &quot; &quot; . $st . &quot;\n&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> +    # `` return non utf8 and concat of non utf8 &amp; utf8 is non utf8:
+</I>&gt;<i> +    c::set_tagged_utf8($string);
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +    # log given text
+</I>&gt;<i> +    $logView-&gt;appendLines($string);
+</I>&gt;<i> +}
+</I>It is especially ugly to call external date binary, whereas perl has 
+everything needed as builtin functions for this. See &quot;time related 
+functions&quot; in perlfunc(1), and POSIX::strftime in POSIX(3pm) if you need 
+a simple formation function.
+-- 
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+Hi Guillaume,
+Il 12/11/2012 09:44, Guillaume Rousse ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Le 11/11/2012 19:13, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +package LogViewer; + +use strict; +use POSIX;
+</I>&gt;<i> never load the POSIX module this way. Either import it without
+</I>&gt;<i> importing any symbol in your namespace, either import just the
+</I>&gt;<i> symbols you need. See POSIX(3pm) for details.
+</I>
+I thought it wasn't the right way, i just forgot to fix it.
+This module is not completed yet, but feel free to work on it or
+to any other module you want to port.
+
+My basic idea was to show how an easy task like showing log could
+work in qt, ncurses and gtk without changing the core code.
+
+Again I'm not a perl developer and neither i'm pretending to be,
+what i'm trying to, is porting some old programs to new layout,
+but if that hurts someone's feeling i can stop working on it
+and do some in c++ for what i need.
+
+Funny from here:
+&gt;<i> [..]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +    $::isWizard = 1;
+</I>&gt;<i> ugly syntax.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [..]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +#- check services +my ) . Data::Dumper-&gt;Dump([ $service ],
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [qw(*services)]) . q( +foreach (split(':', $options{SERVICES}))
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> { +    next unless $services{$_}; +    $r .= &quot;Service $_
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ($services{$_} is not running)\\n&quot; unless -e 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;/var/lock/subsys/$_&quot;; +}
+</I>&gt;<i> You shouldn't leave debugging statement in your code. Moreover, I
+</I>&gt;<i> doubt this is syntactically correct. Do you use Test::Compile to
+</I>&gt;<i> check your code compiles correctly ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>the above code is all from old logdrake, all commented and not
+runnable, because i haven't imported yet :p
+
+Cheers,
+	Angelo
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+Il 12/11/2012 10:06, Guillaume Rousse ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> I forgot this one...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 11/11/2012 19:13, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +## Append a custom string to log view adding date +sub logText
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> { +    my ($st) = @_; +    my $string = chomp_(`LC_ALL=C date
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> '+%Y %b %d %T'`) . &quot; &quot; . $st . &quot;\n&quot;; +    # `` return non utf8
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and concat of non utf8 &amp; utf8 is non utf8: +
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> c::set_tagged_utf8($string); + +    # log given text +
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $logView-&gt;appendLines($string); +}
+</I>&gt;<i> It is especially ugly to call external date binary, whereas perl
+</I>&gt;<i> has everything needed as builtin functions for this. See &quot;time
+</I>&gt;<i> related functions&quot; in perlfunc(1), and POSIX::strftime in
+</I>&gt;<i> POSIX(3pm) if you need a simple formation function.
+</I>Ok so you're offering yourself to rewrite all without leaving
+any old code in new implementation :D
+
+Anyway I understand what you mean, and i agree i will fix it asap.
+
+Angelo
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Again I'm not a perl developer and neither i'm pretending to be,
+</I>&gt;<i> what i'm trying to, is porting some old programs to new layout,
+</I>&gt;<i> but if that hurts someone's feeling i can stop working on it
+</I>&gt;<i> and do some in c++ for what i need.
+</I>[...]
+
+Be advised that often people come accross as rude for certain people when it's 
+really just a different way of speaking in their primary language.
+
+I doubt his feelings get hurt so easily though :-)
+
+Also, look at it this way: if you really were bothering him, he wouldn't care 
+so much as to send detailed comments with where to find more info
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+Il 12/11/2012 09:44, Guillaume Rousse ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Do you use Test::Compile to check your code compiles correctly
+</I>Interesting, can you point me in how to use it?
+
+Thanks
+	Angelo
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+&gt;<i> Op maandag 12 november 2012 11:07:42 schreef Angelo Naselli:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Again I'm not a perl developer and neither i'm pretending to be,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what i'm trying to, is porting some old programs to new layout,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but if that hurts someone's feeling i can stop working on it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and do some in c++ for what i need.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Be advised that often people come accross as rude for certain people when it's
+</I>&gt;<i> really just a different way of speaking in their primary language.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I doubt his feelings get hurt so easily though :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, look at it this way: if you really were bothering him, he wouldn't care
+</I>&gt;<i> so much as to send detailed comments with where to find more info
+</I>
+This way of speaking (I find it is standard with technical people, not 
+just a language issue) was a big shock to me the first time I offered up 
+help, and seemed to be smashed back down.
+I felt quite deflated and hurt, but it really is just getting to the 
+point, and in most cases not meant as an insult but rather helping out 
+by pointing out how things could be better. I learned to appreciate the 
+fact that someone has bothered to analyse my code, regardless of their 
+opinion of it.
+
+At the end of the day, if you don't agree, you just don't change your 
+code :-)
+
+But just for the record ...
+
+Angelo, you are doing a great job. I really appreciate your help (both 
+hands on and advise) and I am sure most people here at least respect 
+your effort, regardless of whether they agree with the project, or like 
+the code itself. You did not initially want to use libyui and you did 
+not want to use Perl. You are now doing both in the hope of achieving 
+the greater goal.
+
+Thank you!
+
+Now get back and fix your rubbish code !! lol :-P
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+Tuxta
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+&gt;<i> Il 12/11/2012 09:44, Guillaume Rousse ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Do you use Test::Compile to check your code compiles correctly
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Interesting, can you point me in how to use it?
+</I>
+hmm,  i didn't think that perl would be compiled? how does this work? /me is 
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+&gt;<i> Le 11/11/2012 19:13, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +package LogViewer;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +use strict;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +use POSIX;
+</I>&gt;<i> never load the POSIX module this way. Either import it without importing
+</I>&gt;<i> any symbol in your namespace, either import just the symbols you need.
+</I>&gt;<i> See POSIX(3pm) for details.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [..]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +    $::isWizard = 1;
+</I>&gt;<i> ugly syntax.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [..]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +#- check services
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +my ) . Data::Dumper-&gt;Dump([ $service ], [qw(*services)]) . q(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +foreach (split(':', $options{SERVICES})) {
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +    next unless $services{$_};
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +    $r .= &quot;Service $_ ($services{$_} is not running)\\n&quot; unless -e
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;/var/lock/subsys/$_&quot;;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +}
+</I>&gt;<i> You shouldn't leave debugging statement in your code. Moreover, I doubt
+</I>&gt;<i> this is syntactically correct. Do you use Test::Compile to check your
+</I>&gt;<i> code compiles correctly ?
+</I>
+Also /var/log/subsys is almost dead under systemd anyway. It's still
+used by a few legacy initscripts that systemd calls, but I'm not sure
+where this is going.
+
+Also, if you are implementing a new log viewer module, is this going to
+use the systemd journal rather than implementing it's own complex logic
+for parsing compressed text files? I've not looked at the code, but it
+would be *awesome* if this is what was happening :)
+
+It's very easy to use the journal APIs (either by linking the library,
+using python bindings - not sure if there are external perl bindings
+yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are - or simply calling
+journalctl on the command line and parsing the result. It offers an easy
+to parse JSON format so even going via this route should be trivial if
+official bindings do not exist). You can get all logs between certain
+dates and for particular services with ease, without having to look in
+the right file or grep for the right binary. i.e. all the building
+blocks are in place for you :)
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
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+<PRE>Le 12/11/2012 12:08, AL13N a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op maandag 12 november 2012 10:57:43 schreef Angelo Naselli:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Il 12/11/2012 09:44, Guillaume Rousse ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you use Test::Compile to check your code compiles correctly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Interesting, can you point me in how to use it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> hmm,  i didn't think that perl would be compiled? how does this work? /me is
+</I>&gt;<i> interested as well
+</I>It's merely transparent for user, but there is an internal compilation 
+phase before execution phase:
+<A HREF="http://oreilly.com/catalog/pperl3/chapter/ch18.html#AUTOID-22329">http://oreilly.com/catalog/pperl3/chapter/ch18.html#AUTOID-22329</A>
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+Just try &quot;perl -MAny::Module&quot;, it will break immediatly if the module 
+doesn't compile correctly, even if you don't execute any code inside.
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #144:
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+Too few computrons available.
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+</I>&gt;<i> Il 12/11/2012 09:44, Guillaume Rousse ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you use Test::Compile to check your code compiles correctly
+</I>&gt;<i> Interesting, can you point me in how to use it?
+</I>Basically, that's just a way to automatize of multiple use_ok() 
+statements, when you have lots of perl modules.
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+You can check module documentation on CPAN here:
+<A HREF="http://search.cpan.org/~egiles/Test-Compile-0.22/">http://search.cpan.org/~egiles/Test-Compile-0.22/</A>
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+And if you want a real-world usage (with lot of project-specific noise), 
+check there:
+<A HREF="https://github.com/fusinv/fusioninventory-agent/blob/2.2.x/t/01compile.t">https://github.com/fusinv/fusioninventory-agent/blob/2.2.x/t/01compile.t</A>
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+-- 
+BOFH excuse #348:
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+We're on Token Ring, and it looks like the token got loose.
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+&gt;<i> Barry Jackson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">zen25000 at ...</A>&gt; writes:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What is needed is a lexer for rpm spec files.
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/pygments-main/pull-request/124">https://bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/pygments-main/pull-request/124</A>
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +#- check services +my ) . Data::Dumper-&gt;Dump([ $service ],
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [qw(*services)]) . q( +foreach (split(':', $options{SERVICES}))
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> { +    next unless $services{$_}; +    $r .= &quot;Service $_
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ($services{$_} is not running)\\n&quot; unless -e 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;/var/lock/subsys/$_&quot;; +}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You shouldn't leave debugging statement in your code. Moreover, I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> doubt this is syntactically correct. Do you use Test::Compile to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> check your code compiles correctly ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Also /var/log/subsys is almost dead under systemd anyway. It's
+</I>&gt;<i> still used by a few legacy initscripts that systemd calls, but I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> not sure where this is going.
+</I>Ehm the above code is the draklog one, and it was use to create a
+wizard to setup mail alert.
+It's not implemented yet, in the new log viewer so any new input can be
+added now.
+
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+&gt;<i> Also, if you are implementing a new log viewer module, is this
+</I>&gt;<i> going to use the systemd journal rather than implementing it's own
+</I>&gt;<i> complex logic for parsing compressed text files? I've not looked at
+</I>&gt;<i> the code, but it would be *awesome* if this is what was happening
+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It's very easy to use the journal APIs (either by linking the
+</I>&gt;<i> library, using python bindings - not sure if there are external
+</I>&gt;<i> perl bindings yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are - or
+</I>&gt;<i> simply calling journalctl on the command line and parsing the
+</I>&gt;<i> result. It offers an easy to parse JSON format so even going via
+</I>&gt;<i> this route should be trivial if official bindings do not exist).
+</I>&gt;<i> You can get all logs between certain dates and for particular
+</I>&gt;<i> services with ease, without having to look in the right file or
+</I>&gt;<i> grep for the right binary. i.e. all the building blocks are in
+</I>&gt;<i> place for you :)
+</I>I read your comment in draklog bug, i have taken a note and i will
+ask you to explain it better to me, since i'm not very familiar with
+all this stuff.
+
+About binding, well libyui allows also to use python and ruby,
+so rewriting my rubbish - quoting Steven :p - to re-implementing
+another rubbish in python it could be possible and easy :D
+
+Anyway, Col ehm you could help in this project...
+...we will be very happy :D
+
+Cheers,
+	Angelo (who continues trying involve people :D)
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Angelo Naselli at 12/11/12 12:09 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;<i> It's very easy to use the journal APIs (either by linking the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> library, using python bindings - not sure if there are external
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perl bindings yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are - or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simply calling journalctl on the command line and parsing the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> result. It offers an easy to parse JSON format so even going via
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this route should be trivial if official bindings do not exist).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can get all logs between certain dates and for particular
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> services with ease, without having to look in the right file or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> grep for the right binary. i.e. all the building blocks are in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> place for you :)
+</I>&gt;<i> I read your comment in draklog bug, i have taken a note and i will
+</I>&gt;<i> ask you to explain it better to me, since i'm not very familiar with
+</I>&gt;<i> all this stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> About binding, well libyui allows also to use python and ruby,
+</I>&gt;<i> so rewriting my rubbish - quoting Steven :p - to re-implementing
+</I>&gt;<i> another rubbish in python it could be possible and easy :D
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, Col ehm you could help in this project...
+</I>&gt;<i> ...we will be very happy :D
+</I>
+Time is not on my side at present, but I'll do my best to advise and
+help out when I can. Minimal hacking may occur but I'm afraid I can't
+really promise anything at this stage.
+
+Col
+
+-- 
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+Il 12/11/2012 12:14, Steven Tucker ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Now get back and fix your rubbish code !! lol
+</I>\o/ :D
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+&gt;<i> Name        : supertux                     Relocations: (not relocatable)
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+&gt;<i> + Revision: 317165
+</I>&gt;<i> - make data sub package require main package
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+</I>Sorry, I didn't intended to be rude here, just to give some potentially 
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+    <B>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil</B> 
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+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, so this is a new patch; this time, it's next to the toggle for expert
+</I>&gt;<i> button.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I do a new device check, in a separate variable and check with device file
+</I>&gt;<i> as unique; if there's one that isn't in the old list. (or if it's changed
+</I>&gt;<i> size). in that case i put the new entry into the old list.
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+</I>&gt;<i> however, it seems that a VM shuts itself off on executing the check when a
+</I>&gt;<i> new USB disk was added. :-(
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe i'm doing some fundamentals wrong, so i'm asking here if anyone has an
+</I>&gt;<i> insight, idea or direction i should go to instead.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm thinking because i only do 1 of the 5 preparation checks for new disks,
+</I>&gt;<i> that maybe not everything is done correctly yet: but a halting VM is not
+</I>&gt;<i> exactly what i expected...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> AL13N
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+Hi,
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+just tested but nothing is done/appear when i click on refresh
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+&gt;<i> Name        : vlc                          Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 2.0.3                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 2.2.mga2.tainted              Build Date: Mon Nov 12 11:57:19 2012
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+&gt;<i> shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt; 2.0.3-2.2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 317171
+</I>&gt;<i> - Bump subrel for tainted
+</I>
+This is wrong!
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+BS is adapted to accept it.
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+<PRE>Op maandag 12 november 2012 14:15:14 schreef Nicolas L&#233;cureuil:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 12 novembre 2012 01:24:55 AL13N a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ok, so this is a new patch; this time, it's next to the toggle for expert
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; button.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I do a new device check, in a separate variable and check with device file
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as unique; if there's one that isn't in the old list. (or if it's changed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; size). in that case i put the new entry into the old list.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; however, it seems that a VM shuts itself off on executing the check when a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; new USB disk was added. :-(
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe i'm doing some fundamentals wrong, so i'm asking here if anyone has
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; an insight, idea or direction i should go to instead.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i'm thinking because i only do 1 of the 5 preparation checks for new
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; disks,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that maybe not everything is done correctly yet: but a halting VM is not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; exactly what i expected...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; AL13N
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> just tested but nothing is done/appear when i click on refresh
+</I>
+well, don't forget that if you test in a VM, the host itself must detect the 
+new disk too, so i always tested with adding an USB disk. Normally, you should 
+see an extra tab, if it would work...
+
+was this in cauldron, or mga2?
+
+i guess the good point is that it didn't halt either?
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+&gt;<i> Op maandag 12 november 2012 14:15:14 schreef Nicolas L&#233;cureuil:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 12 novembre 2012 01:24:55 AL13N a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Ok, so this is a new patch; this time, it's next to the toggle for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; expert
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; button.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I do a new device check, in a separate variable and check with device
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; file
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; as unique; if there's one that isn't in the old list. (or if it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; changed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; size). in that case i put the new entry into the old list.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; however, it seems that a VM shuts itself off on executing the check when
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; new USB disk was added. :-(
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Maybe i'm doing some fundamentals wrong, so i'm asking here if anyone
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; has
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; an insight, idea or direction i should go to instead.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; i'm thinking because i only do 1 of the 5 preparation checks for new
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; disks,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; that maybe not everything is done correctly yet: but a halting VM is not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; exactly what i expected...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; AL13N
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; just tested but nothing is done/appear when i click on refresh
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> well, don't forget that if you test in a VM, the host itself must detect the
+</I>&gt;<i> new disk too, so i always tested with adding an USB disk. Normally, you
+</I>&gt;<i> should see an extra tab, if it would work...
+</I>
+no, not in a VM, a real install.
+
+&gt;<i> was this in cauldron, or mga2?
+</I>cauldron
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i guess the good point is that it didn't halt either?
+</I>
+you can see it this way 
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+&gt;<i> zezinho &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : supertux                     Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 317165
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - make data sub package require main package
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This looks wrong, the data package does not require the main package.
+</I>Is it really necessary to have a cyclic dependency here ? I don't 
+imagine anyone installing 'supertux-data' alone by mistake.
+
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #262:
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+&gt;<i> Le 12/11/2012 13:16, Olivier Blin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This looks wrong, the data package does not require the main package.
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it really necessary to have a cyclic dependency here ? I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> imagine anyone installing 'supertux-data' alone by mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, without this cyclic dependency, uninstalling supertux does not 
+remove supertux-data. This is why I added it.
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+There is only 2 packages to be smaller for mirrors, and I dont imagine, 
+I see users clicking only on softx-data to install it...
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+&gt;<i> Le 12/11/2012 15:48, Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 12/11/2012 13:16, Olivier Blin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This looks wrong, the data package does not require the main package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it really necessary to have a cyclic dependency here ? I don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> imagine anyone installing 'supertux-data' alone by mistake.
+</I>
+Agreed, that was my point.
+
+&gt;<i> Well, without this cyclic dependency, uninstalling supertux does not
+</I>&gt;<i> remove supertux-data. This is why I added it.
+</I>
+That's why we have the auto-orphans feature of urpme.
+Yes, the feature might be unavailable in the GUI, but we should not add
+cyclic deps just because of that.
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+Il 12/11/2012 12:49, Guillaume Rousse ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Le 12/11/2012 10:57, Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Il 12/11/2012 09:44, Guillaume Rousse ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you use Test::Compile to check your code compiles correctly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Interesting, can you point me in how to use it?
+</I>&gt;<i> Basically, that's just a way to automatize of multiple use_ok() 
+</I>&gt;<i> statements, when you have lots of perl modules.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You can check module documentation on CPAN here: 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://search.cpan.org/~egiles/Test-Compile-0.22/">http://search.cpan.org/~egiles/Test-Compile-0.22/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And if you want a real-world usage (with lot of project-specific
+</I>&gt;<i> noise), check there: 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://github.com/fusinv/fusioninventory-agent/blob/2.2.x/t/01compile.t">https://github.com/fusinv/fusioninventory-agent/blob/2.2.x/t/01compile.t</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>I'll give it a look when i'm less tired...
+thanks.
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+In the mean while i hope to have cleaned a little bit the submitted code.
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+The 389-ds wants apache to run with the mpm_worker_module.
+Apache-2.4 provides now this module as stabel
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+When I do this (using mpm-worker I get this error:
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+recompile PHP
+I am not quite sure how to proceed. What would be the disadvantage of compiling PHP threadsafe?
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+&gt;<i> Since this isn't a bug, I am brining it up here:
+</I>&gt;<i> The 389-ds wants apache to run with the mpm_worker_module.
+</I>&gt;<i> Apache-2.4 provides now this module as stabel
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+</I>&gt;<i> When I do this (using mpm-worker I get this error:
+</I>&gt;<i> Apache is running a threaded MPM, but your PHP Module is not compiled to
+</I>&gt;<i> be threadsafe.  You need to
+</I>&gt;<i> recompile PHP
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not quite sure how to proceed. What would be the disadvantage of
+</I>&gt;<i> compiling PHP threadsafe?
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+It is not turned on by default :(
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5395">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5395</A>
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+&gt;<i> 2012/11/13 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Since this isn't a bug, I am brining it up here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The 389-ds wants apache to run with the mpm_worker_module.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Apache-2.4 provides now this module as stabel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; When I do this (using mpm-worker I get this error:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Apache is running a threaded MPM, but your PHP Module is not compiled to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be threadsafe.  You need to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; recompile PHP
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am not quite sure how to proceed. What would be the disadvantage of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; compiling PHP threadsafe?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It is not turned on by default :(
+</I>
+PHP? or mpm-worker? or a module that you require?
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+if you compile threadsafe, does this mean it has a restriction on modules to 
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+&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> QA team don't have any HP printers between us. We'd like to be able to
+</I>&gt;<i> validate an update for hplip which is in core/updates_testing for both
+</I>&gt;<i> mga1 and mga2. Ideally we still need tests on mga2 i586 and mga1 i586 &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5395">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5395</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please help with testing if you have an HP printer so that we can push
+</I>&gt;<i> this one to updates.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i> Claire (MrsB)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Hi Claire,
+
+I didn't find this update for mga1 i586 nor x86_64 in updates_testing.
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+I made a successfull test on mga2 x86_64.
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+Regards
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+&gt;<i> Le 13/11/2012 18:48, Claire Robinson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> QA team don't have any HP printers between us. We'd like to be able to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> validate an update for hplip which is in core/updates_testing for both
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mga1 and mga2. Ideally we still need tests on mga2 i586 and mga1 i586 &amp;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5395">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5395</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please help with testing if you have an HP printer so that we can push
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this one to updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Claire (MrsB)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Claire,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't find this update for mga1 i586 nor x86_64 in updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I made a successfull test on mga2 x86_64.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i> Yann
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I can test on a photosmart 2575, its really old but still hp, however,
+mga 2 needs to decide that a bootloader is something i would want
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+Le 12/11/2012 12:43, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Luc Menut at 11/11/12 18:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think that we should drop these dirs from our defaults $PATH, before a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> future mass rebuild.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah seems sensible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+OK
+
+Currently, we have the following cases in Mageia:
+1) login normaluser
+    PATH=/bin:/usr/bin
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+2) /bin/su - normaluser   , ssh normaluser
+    PATH=/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin
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+3) login root , /bin/su - root  , ssh root
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+PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin
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+/root/.bashrc from rootfiles).
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+So, sometimes we have /usr/local/[s]bin in $PATH before %{_bindir} (2), 
+sometimes after (3), sometimes it is not in $PATH (1).
+
+Is there any justification to these differences? (personally I don't see 
+any justification to differences between 1. and 2. )
+
+I don't find if there is some specification (POSIX, LSB, ...) about what 
+should be in a standard default $PATH, and in which order.
+
+I would prefer if we can unify a bit this, and keep only 2 $PATH, one 
+for normal user and another one for root.
+So should we have /usr/local/[s]bin in default paths ?
+If yes, should it be before or after %{_[s]bindir} ?
+
+
+My proposal for unified $PATH would be :
+A) normaluser
+    PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin
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+B) root
+    PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin
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+Any comments and suggestions welcome !
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+Regards,
+Luc
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+&gt;<i> Le 13/11/2012 18:48, Claire Robinson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> QA team don't have any HP printers between us. We'd like to be able to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> validate an update for hplip which is in core/updates_testing for both
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mga1 and mga2. Ideally we still need tests on mga2 i586 and mga1 i586 &amp;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5395">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5395</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please help with testing if you have an HP printer so that we can push
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this one to updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Claire (MrsB)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Claire,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't find this update for mga1 i586 nor x86_64 in updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I made a successfull test on mga2 x86_64.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i> Yann
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+You probably need to update your medias Yann. Failing that, if using
+MageiaUpdate to install them with, you will also need to enable updates
+from the Testing media.
+
+See the link here..
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Enabling_the_Testing_media#Enable_them_the_easy_way">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Enabling_the_Testing_media#Enable_them_the_easy_way</A>
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+You will need to place a tick in the updates column for Core Updates
+Testing, then when you enable it you will be able to install updates
+from it.
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+Thanks
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+&gt;<i> On 13 November 2012 20:15, Yann Ciret &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at zamiz.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 13/11/2012 18:48, Claire Robinson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> QA team don't have any HP printers between us. We'd like to be able to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> validate an update for hplip which is in core/updates_testing for both
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga1 and mga2. Ideally we still need tests on mga2 i586 and mga1 i586 &amp;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5395">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5395</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please help with testing if you have an HP printer so that we can push
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this one to updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Claire (MrsB)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Claire,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I didn't find this update for mga1 i586 nor x86_64 in updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I made a successfull test on mga2 x86_64.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yann
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I can test on a photosmart 2575, its really old but still hp, however,
+</I>&gt;<i> mga 2 needs to decide that a bootloader is something i would want
+</I>
+Any tests are useful Donald, thankyou!
+
+Claire
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+<PRE>Le 13/11/2012 23:21, Claire Robinson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 13/11/12 20:15, Yann Ciret wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 13/11/2012 18:48, Claire Robinson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> QA team don't have any HP printers between us. We'd like to be able to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> validate an update for hplip which is in core/updates_testing for both
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga1 and mga2. Ideally we still need tests on mga2 i586 and mga1 i586 &amp;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5395">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5395</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please help with testing if you have an HP printer so that we can push
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this one to updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Claire (MrsB)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Claire,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I didn't find this update for mga1 i586 nor x86_64 in updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I made a successfull test on mga2 x86_64.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yann
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You probably need to update your medias Yann. Failing that, if using
+</I>&gt;<i> MageiaUpdate to install them with, you will also need to enable updates
+</I>&gt;<i> from the Testing media.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> See the link here..
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Enabling_the_Testing_media#Enable_them_the_easy_way">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Enabling_the_Testing_media#Enable_them_the_easy_way</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You will need to place a tick in the updates column for Core Updates
+</I>&gt;<i> Testing, then when you enable it you will be able to install updates
+</I>&gt;<i> from it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>I updated my media and added updates-testing, but if you watch on
+distrib-coffee, for eg, hplip is not available for mageia 1.
+
+Sorry, my first message was not clear enough.
+
+<A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/1/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/1/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Le 13/11/2012 23:21, Claire Robinson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 13/11/12 20:15, Yann Ciret wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 13/11/2012 18:48, Claire Robinson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> QA team don't have any HP printers between us. We'd like to be able to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> validate an update for hplip which is in core/updates_testing for both
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga1 and mga2. Ideally we still need tests on mga2 i586 and mga1 i586 &amp;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5395">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5395</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please help with testing if you have an HP printer so that we can push
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this one to updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Claire (MrsB)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Claire,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I didn't find this update for mga1 i586 nor x86_64 in updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I made a successfull test on mga2 x86_64.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yann
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You probably need to update your medias Yann. Failing that, if using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MageiaUpdate to install them with, you will also need to enable updates
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from the Testing media.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> See the link here..
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Enabling_the_Testing_media#Enable_them_the_easy_way">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Enabling_the_Testing_media#Enable_them_the_easy_way</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You will need to place a tick in the updates column for Core Updates
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Testing, then when you enable it you will be able to install updates
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I updated my media and added updates-testing, but if you watch on
+</I>&gt;<i> distrib-coffee, for eg, hplip is not available for mageia 1.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, my first message was not clear enough.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/1/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/1/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+
+Ahh, yes, you're quite correct. It is missing on other mirrors too which
+are not connected with d-c. It seems the x86_64 build for mga1 is
+completely missing!
+
+I'll leave a note on the bug.
+
+Thankyou for testing this far, I'll email again when there is news.
+
+Claire
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+<PRE>On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:10:34 PM AL13N wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 13 november 2012 12:17:54 schreef Funda Wang:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2012/11/13 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Since this isn't a bug, I am brining it up here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The 389-ds wants apache to run with the mpm_worker_module.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Apache-2.4 provides now this module as stabel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; When I do this (using mpm-worker I get this error:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Apache is running a threaded MPM, but your PHP Module is not compiled
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; to be threadsafe.  You need to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; recompile PHP
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I am not quite sure how to proceed. What would be the disadvantage of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; compiling PHP threadsafe?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It is not turned on by default :(
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> PHP? or mpm-worker? or a module that you require?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> if you compile threadsafe, does this mean it has a restriction on modules
+</I>&gt;<i> to be threadsafe too, and maybe alot of those aren't?
+</I>
+the 389-ds needs the apache with mpm-worker. This is now a stable module in 2.4 which we have.
+but PHP needs to be compiled threadsafe in order to use it
+There isn't a lot of information on how to complie php threadsafe.
+I did some research and fedora compiles it with --enable-maintainer-zst
+They then have a little file that decides if mpm-prefork is used or not and loads the correct php-
+module
+Whitout this, the apache mpm-worker doens't make much sense.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Does the version freeze for iso generation has been removed ?
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+I've been seeing this message every few minutes for the past week or
+so (Cauldron on my netbook, BCM4313).  It request a password, but no
+indication of what password.  I've tried the network password, the
+root password and the user password.  All I ever get is a minute's
+delay, then the same message and password request.  What went wrong
+and how do I put it right?
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+I have a vague recollection of seeing a message that the Broadcom wifi
+driver is already in the kernel - is this connected?
+
+Anne
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+    <B>Bo Lan</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I've been seeing this message every few minutes for the past week or
+</I>&gt;<i> so (Cauldron on my netbook, BCM4313).  It request a password, but no
+</I>&gt;<i> indication of what password.  I've tried the network password, the
+</I>&gt;<i> root password and the user password.  All I ever get is a minute's
+</I>&gt;<i> delay, then the same message and password request.  What went wrong
+</I>&gt;<i> and how do I put it right?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a vague recollection of seeing a message that the Broadcom wifi
+</I>&gt;<i> driver is already in the kernel - is this connected?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>
+If you said &quot;system policy&quot;, it should be your root password. But you
+said that root doesn't work.
+
+So I guess, do you mean the &quot;Keyring&quot;? If it requests a keyring, that
+means that you used to set a keyring to remember many passwords in your
+system. If you forget it, you can try to totally delete your account,
+and create a new account.
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+so (Cauldron on my netbook, BCM4313).  It request a password, but no
+indication of what password.  I've tried the network password, the
+root password and the user password.  All I ever get is a minute's
+delay, then the same message and password request.  What went wrong
+and how do I put it right?
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+I have a vague recollection of seeing a message that the Broadcom wifi
+driver is already in the kernel - is this connected?
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+On 14/11/12 17:42, Bo Lan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 17:14 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've been seeing this message every few minutes for the past
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> week or so (Cauldron on my netbook, BCM4313).  It request a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> password, but no indication of what password.  I've tried the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> network password, the root password and the user password.  All I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ever get is a minute's delay, then the same message and password
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> request. What went wrong and how do I put it right?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have a vague recollection of seeing a message that the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Broadcom wifi driver is already in the kernel - is this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> connected?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If you said &quot;system policy&quot;, it should be your root password. But 
+</I>&gt;<i> you said that root doesn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>It doesn't.
+
+&gt;<i> So I guess, do you mean the &quot;Keyring&quot;? If it requests a keyring, 
+</I>&gt;<i> that means that you used to set a keyring to remember many
+</I>&gt;<i> passwords in your system. If you forget it, you can try to totally
+</I>&gt;<i> delete your account, and create a new account.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>I do use kwallet, but that password doesn't work either
+
+Very puzzling.  While it's not essential to have wifi connectivity
+here at home, the point of the netbook is to be able to take it away
+on holiday.  Thankfully, this problem didn't start until after I
+returned :-)
+
+Anne
+
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+    <B>Anne Wilson</B> 
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+I've added updates-testing to my sources, hoping to test HPLIP (which
+hasn't offered me an update of that package yet).  Most of the
+proposed update installed, but it ended with
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+Installation failed:    file
+/usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/kipiplugin.desktop from install of
+kipi-plugins-1:3.0.0-0.rc.1.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from
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+What do I do now?
+
+Anne
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+On 14/11/12 17:42, Bo Lan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 17:14 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've been seeing this message every few minutes for the past
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> week or so (Cauldron on my netbook, BCM4313).  It request a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> password, but no indication of what password.  I've tried the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> network password, the root password and the user password.  All I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ever get is a minute's delay, then the same message and password
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> request. What went wrong and how do I put it right?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have a vague recollection of seeing a message that the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Broadcom wifi driver is already in the kernel - is this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> connected?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If you said &quot;system policy&quot;, it should be your root password. But 
+</I>&gt;<i> you said that root doesn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So I guess, do you mean the &quot;Keyring&quot;? If it requests a keyring, 
+</I>&gt;<i> that means that you used to set a keyring to remember many
+</I>&gt;<i> passwords in your system. If you forget it, you can try to totally
+</I>&gt;<i> delete your account, and create a new account.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Maybe I was wrong, and the root password is being accepted, because
+then I get the request for the network password.  Unfortunately that
+password fails every time.  I've checked the NetworkManager config
+utility and the password is there and correct, but it does not connect.
+
+Anne
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+Finally it's done, alpha3 is out. See announcement on Mageia blog:
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+<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/11/14/send-bugs-ad-patres-for-mageia-3-alpha-3/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/11/14/send-bugs-ad-patres-for-mageia-3-alpha-3/</A>
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+As said, your feedbacks are needed especially for hardware support and 
+upgrade from Mageia 2.
+
+Thanks all for the hard work.
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+Enjoy!
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+-- 
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+&gt;<i> Installation failed:    file 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/kipiplugin.desktop from install of 
+</I>&gt;<i> kipi-plugins-1:3.0.0-0.rc.1.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from 
+</I>&gt;<i> package kipi-common-2:4.9.2-1.mga3.noarch
+</I>Can someone remove it from testing? it was a wrong submittion imo,
+and since we cannot have new libkipi we also cannot build libkipi
+without conflicting to the official kde graphics one.
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+&gt;<i> What do I do now?
+</I>If you wanted to test hplip just select it alone:)
+
+Angelo
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+    <B>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil</B> 
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+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Installation failed:    file
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/kipiplugin.desktop from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; kipi-plugins-1:3.0.0-0.rc.1.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; package kipi-common-2:4.9.2-1.mga3.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone remove it from testing? it was a wrong submittion imo,
+</I>&gt;<i> and since we cannot have new libkipi we also cannot build libkipi
+</I>&gt;<i> without conflicting to the official kde graphics one.
+</I>
+no this was wanted :) and as kde 4.10 come in one week we will move digikam in 
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+    <B>Claire Robinson</B> 
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+when HPLIP is next updated. An errant keyword led us to think this was
+for Mageia 1 as well, but it turns out it was just for Mageia 2.
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+It has now been validated and will soon be pushed to updates.
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+Due to wrong branch being used, xtables-addons 2.0 was wrongly submitted to
+cauldron core/release , distro admins please remove the packages:
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+xtables-addons iptaccount xtables-geoip lib{,64}account0
+lib{,64}account-devel dkms-xtables-addons
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+I'll submit the correct branch at a later time.
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+    <B>zezinho</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Finally it's done, alpha3 is out. See announcement on Mageia blog:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/11/14/send-bugs-ad-patres-for-mageia-3-alpha-3/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/11/14/send-bugs-ad-patres-for-mageia-3-alpha-3/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As said, your feedbacks are needed especially for hardware support and
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade from Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks all for the hard work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Enjoy!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+A little bug in the Torrent URL for LiveDVD 32 bit KDE4 : it misses the 
+&amp;torrent=1
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+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/get/?q=Mageia-3-alpha3-LiveDVD-KDE4-i586-DVD.iso&amp;torrent=1">http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/get/?q=Mageia-3-alpha3-LiveDVD-KDE4-i586-DVD.iso&amp;torrent=1</A>
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+    <B>Barry Jackson</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:12:31PM +0200, barjac wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : grub2                        Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : barjac &lt;barjac&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL         : alpha.gnu.org/pub/gnu/grub/
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+</I>&gt;<i> That is not an URL.
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+</I>Indeed
+No idea how that happened or why I never noticed :\
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I noticed that there are two rpm group named 'Geography' and
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Sciences/Geosciences'. Are there any differences?
+</I>
+It would appear to me that geography is more concerned with the names
+and locations of places whereas geosciences is the quest for knowledge
+of the Earth's composition, rock layers, sediments etcetera.
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+&gt;<i> Funda Wang schreef op vr 09-11-2012 om 16:50 [+0800]:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I noticed that there are two rpm group named 'Geography' and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Sciences/Geosciences'. Are there any differences?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would appear to me that geography is more concerned with the names
+</I>&gt;<i> and locations of places whereas geosciences is the quest for knowledge
+</I>&gt;<i> of the Earth's composition, rock layers, sediments etcetera.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think the geosciences group was aimed at satnav, gps and mapping for 
+example but I may be wrong - I recall some discussion on irc.
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+&gt;<i> On 15/11/12 22:10, Reinout van Schouwen wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Funda Wang schreef op vr 09-11-2012 om 16:50 [+0800]:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I noticed that there are two rpm group named 'Geography' and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Sciences/Geosciences'. Are there any differences?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would appear to me that geography is more concerned with the names
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and locations of places whereas geosciences is the quest for knowledge
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the Earth's composition, rock layers, sediments etcetera.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the geosciences group was aimed at satnav, gps and mapping for
+</I>&gt;<i> example but I may be wrong - I recall some discussion on irc.
+</I>
+That's the opposite ...
+
+Geography is for the satnav, gps and mapping softs, while Geoscience are
+for all geology, climate, oceanography related software.
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+</I>&gt;<i> That's the opposite ...
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+</I>&gt;<i> Geography is for the satnav, gps and mapping softs, while Geoscience are
+</I>&gt;<i> for all geology, climate, oceanography related software.
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+2012/11/15 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Due to wrong branch being used, xtables-addons 2.0 was wrongly submitted
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+Everything works, except the package descriptions; there isn't any.
+When one select &#171;individual packages&#187; (translated) in order to choose which packages to install or not, there is no description of the packages.
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+Should I file this as a bug?
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+&gt;<i> I just tested the boot.iso network installer (using distrib-coffee), and it has the same bug all boot.iso files have had at least since mdv2010.1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Everything works, except the package descriptions; there isn't any.
+</I>&gt;<i> When one select &#171;individual packages&#187; (translated) in order to choose which packages to install or not, there is no description of the packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should I file this as a bug?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Iit's more a wontfix bug: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549#c9">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549#c9</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Funda Wang at 16/11/12 01:52 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> ping?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/11/15 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>     Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>     Due to wrong branch being used, xtables-addons 2.0 was wrongly
+</I>&gt;<i>     submitted to cauldron core/release , distro admins please remove the
+</I>&gt;<i>     packages:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>     xtables-addons iptaccount xtables-geoip lib{,64}account0
+</I>&gt;<i>     lib{,64}account-devel dkms-xtables-addons
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>     I'll submit the correct branch at a later time.
+</I>
+I was in the middle of doing it but it seems someone else did it at
+exactly the same time as the files disappeared!
+
+Col
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I just tested the boot.iso network installer (using distrib-coffee), and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it has the same bug all boot.iso files have had at least since mdv2010.1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Everything works, except the package descriptions; there isn't any.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When one select &#171;individual packages&#187; (translated) in order to choose
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which packages to install or not, there is no description of the packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Iit's more a wontfix bug: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549#c9">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549#c9</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> (fixed for the isos)
+</I>
+Well, we could adapt it to use XML info data instead of hdlists
+(much smaller) and download those metadata on demand.
+We would also save space on ISOs by including xml metadata instead
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+<PRE>On 11/16/2012 11:35 AM, ovitters wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name        : totem                        Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 3.6.3                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Fri Nov 16 11:33:14 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group       : Video/Players                 Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size        : 3160950                          License: GPLv2 with exception
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://projects.gnome.org/totem/">http://projects.gnome.org/totem/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary     : Movie player for GNOME
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Totem is simple movie player for the GNOME desktop. It
+</I>&gt;<i> features a simple playlist, a full-screen mode, seek and volume
+</I>&gt;<i> controls, as well as a pretty complete keyboard navigation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 3.6.3-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 318912
+</I>&gt;<i> - requires gstreamer1(element-scaletempo) (mga#8088)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Mmm, something is wrong:
+
+pandora:~# rpm -q --provides gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad | grep scale
+libgstscaletempoplugin.so()(64bit)
+gstreamer1(element-scaletempo)()(64bit)
+
+pandora:~# urpmi totem
+A requested package cannot be installed:
+totem-3.6.3-2.mga3.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied gstreamer1(element-scaletempo))
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+While some packages may have been installed, there were failures.
+A requested package cannot be installed:
+totem-3.6.3-2.mga3.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied gstreamer1(element-scaletempo))
+Continue installation anyway?
+
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+-- 
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt;        \               Winter is coming...
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 16/11/12 12:42 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 11/16/2012 11:35 AM, ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : totem                        Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 3.6.3                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Fri Nov 16
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 11:33:14 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group       : Video/Players                 Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size        : 3160950                          License: GPLv2 with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> exception
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://projects.gnome.org/totem/">http://projects.gnome.org/totem/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary     : Movie player for GNOME
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Totem is simple movie player for the GNOME desktop. It
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> features a simple playlist, a full-screen mode, seek and volume
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> controls, as well as a pretty complete keyboard navigation.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 3.6.3-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 318912
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - requires gstreamer1(element-scaletempo) (mga#8088)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Mmm, something is wrong:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> pandora:~# rpm -q --provides gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad | grep scale
+</I>&gt;<i> libgstscaletempoplugin.so()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer1(element-scaletempo)()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> pandora:~# urpmi totem
+</I>&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> totem-3.6.3-2.mga3.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer1(element-scaletempo))
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;<i> While some packages may have been installed, there were failures.
+</I>&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> totem-3.6.3-2.mga3.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer1(element-scaletempo))
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway?
+</I>
+Yup, same here.
+
+I suspect that works on i586 only.
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Olivier Blin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 11/16/2012 11:35 AM, ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : totem                        Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 3.6.3                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Fri Nov 16 11:33:14 2012
+</I>
+[...]
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+&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 3.6.3-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 318912
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - requires gstreamer1(element-scaletempo) (mga#8088)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mmm, something is wrong:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> pandora:~# rpm -q --provides gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad | grep scale
+</I>&gt;<i> libgstscaletempoplugin.so()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer1(element-scaletempo)()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> pandora:~# urpmi totem
+</I>&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> totem-3.6.3-2.mga3.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied gstreamer1(element-scaletempo))
+</I>
+We need something like the %arch_tagged macro, but adding the (64bit)
+suffix instead of (lib64)
+See /etc/rpm/macros.d/20build.macros for its definition.
+
+Or maybe just change %arch_tagged to use (64bit) instead of (lib64), it
+would be a lot more consistent.
+
+This requires rebuilding all packages using this macro, is it just about
+mageia-release?
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+-- 
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+&gt;<i> Mmm, something is wrong:
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+Ok, should've checked if that was allowed I guess..
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+I'll fix this weekend unless someone beats me.
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Fw%3A%20GPL-compatibility%20Question%3A%20Distributing%20Binaries%0A%20of%20GPLed%20Programs%20Which%20Link%20Against%20Non-Free%20Code&In-Reply-To=%3C20121116225916.251a83d7%40lap.shlomifish.org%3E"
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+I am forwarding your reply to the Mageia development mailing list.
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+Regards,
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+	Shlomi Fish
+
+Begin forwarded message:
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+Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:55:12 -0500
+From: Aaron Williamson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">aaronw at softwarefreedom.org</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>
+Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL-compatibility Question: Distributing Binaries of
+GPLed Programs Which Link Against Non-Free Code
+
+
+Hi Shlomi,
+
+Below I've outlined the significant legal issues here. This is not legal advice:
+SFLC does not represent Mageia and I have not thoroughly reviewed the code at
+issue here to comprehensively understand its copyright and licensing structure.
+Rather, I have just identified the key issues based on the facts provided in
+your email and a quick visit to Cinelerra's website. Additionally, SFLC is a US
+legal services organization, and is not licensed to practice law in France, nor
+are we familiar with French copyright law. If you'd like, I'd be happy to refer
+you to a lawyer in Paris who is familiar with free software licensing issues.
+
+Our understanding of the linking issue comports with the Free Software
+Foundation's position: linking a GPL'd program with a program under another
+license results in a combined work based on both programs. The GPL requires that
+the resulting work be licensed under the GPL, and that no additional
+restrictions (besides those in the GPL) be placed on the work. Because the faac
+code is encumbered by the &quot;compliant implementations&quot; restriction, the
+combination would violate the GPL.
+
+That said, the linking question usually arises where a downstream user of a
+GPL-licensed work wants to link it with proprietary modules. If I understand
+your intention correctly, at least with regard to Cinelerra, you would not be
+introducing the incompatibility, i.e. Cinelerra already links to faac -- you
+would just be packaging and distributing both programs for Mageia. Is that
+accurate?
+
+If that's right, and Cinelerra is responsible for the violation of the license
+on its own software, it is difficult to imagine that they'd press the violation,
+or that a court would permit them to. Rather, it would seem that they intend the
+two programs to be used together and, even if they have not granted an explicit
+GPL exception allowing the combination, may have at least granted an implied
+license by distributing the combined work themselves.
+
+This analysis, however, assumes that the Cinelerra developers own all the
+copyrights in the GPL-licensed code within Cinelerra, and thus have the right to
+grant such an exception (implied or otherwise). If they have incorporated GPL'd
+code produced by third parties, who never licensed such a combination, into
+Cinelerra, then their use of faac can't provide their downstream users with any
+sort of comfort regarding the violation. You may wish to contact the Cinelerra
+developers and ask them to clarify who owns which portions of their codebase,
+and whether they intend for others to link their GPL'd code with faac.
+
+Best,
+
+-- 
+Aaron Williamson
+Senior Staff Counsel
+Software Freedom Law Center
+1995 Broadway, 17th Fl.
+New York, NY 10023
+(212) 461-1911 direct
+(212) 580-0898 fax
+www.softwarefreedom.org
+
+
+On 11/14/2012 06:00 PM, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">help at softwarefreedom.org</A> wrote:
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> -------- Original Message --------
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: GPL-compatibility Question: Distributing Binaries of GPLed
+</I>&gt;<i> Programs Which Link Against Non-Free Code
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:07:31 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">help at softwarefreedom.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:17:00 -0500
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">help at softwarefreedom.org</A> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 11/09/2012 12:23 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Dear Sir or Madam,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I am writing you this letter on behalf of Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ( <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/en/">https://www.mageia.org/en/</A> ), which is a community-developed, operating
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; system, based on the GNU/Linux system and with a free-and-open-source
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; (FOSS) core. We would like to ask whether (and how) we can distribute
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; pre-built packages of a GPLed program (in our case, the video editor
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; cinelerra) after it was linked to a library with some proprietary and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; non-GPLed code (in our case, faac).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; The longer story is that there has been some demand for including faac
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ( <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/faac/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/faac/</A> - the Freeware Advance Audio
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Coder), which is both non-free in part and patent encumbered, in our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; distribution, and to prepare versions of the appropriate packages for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; which it is an optional dependency. These packages, such as cinelerra (
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://cinelerra.org/">http://cinelerra.org/</A> - a video editor), are licenced under
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; the GPL, which restricts which code its distributed binaries may be legally
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; linked to.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; So our question is: assuming we package faac as a package, can we still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; provide pre-made and binary packages of GPLed programs that use it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Furthermore, would this require receiving an explicit permission from the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; copyright owner of the program under the GPL?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; We would appreciate any advice that you can give to us on the matter.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Sincerely yours,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#8212; Shlomi Fish, on behalf of the Mageia development team.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The Software Freedom Law Center has received an email from you sent to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">help at softwarefreedom.org.</A>  We look forward to helping you in any way we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can, but before we can do that we need to make sure that you understand
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+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Understood
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+
+-- 
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
+Shlomi Fish       <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</A>
+Escape from GNU Autohell - <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/autohell/">http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/autohell/</A>
+
+mplayer 0.9.999.2010.03.11-rc5-adc83b19e793491b1c6ea0fd8b46cd9f32e592fc is
+now available for download.
+    &#8212; Shlomi Fish and d3x.
+
+Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> .
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 01:42:54PM +0100, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mmm, something is wrong:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, should've checked if that was allowed I guess..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll fix this weekend unless someone beats me.
+</I>
+Anything that does not use a proper arch tagging macro is at best a hack
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+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012 20:57:36 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; After we'll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yes :) as it should be available on wednesday :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yep.
+I'll start tonight to work on new tarballs :)
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+Regards,
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+<PRE>On 16 November 2012 13:27, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just tested the boot.iso network installer (using distrib-coffee), and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it has the same bug all boot.iso files have had at least since mdv2010.1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Everything works, except the package descriptions; there isn't any.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> When one select &#171;individual packages&#187; (translated) in order to choose
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> which packages to install or not, there is no description of the packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Iit's more a wontfix bug: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549#c9">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549#c9</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (fixed for the isos)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, we could adapt it to use XML info data instead of hdlists
+</I>&gt;<i> (much smaller) and download those metadata on demand.
+</I>&gt;<i> We would also save space on ISOs by including xml metadata instead
+</I>&gt;<i> of huge hdlists
+</I>
+Which is now done in Cauldron.
+Tested on both local &amp; http install.
+
+Thomas, Anne: please drop hdlists from next ISOs and include
+media_info/info.xml.lzma
+instead (1.4Mb vs 127Mb on core/release...)
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+removed also?
+
+&#22312; 2012&#24180;11&#26376;16&#26085;&#26143;&#26399;&#20116;&#65292;Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; &#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Funda Wang at 16/11/12 01:52 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ping?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/11/15 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     Due to wrong branch being used, xtables-addons 2.0 was wrongly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     submitted to cauldron core/release , distro admins please remove the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     packages:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     xtables-addons iptaccount xtables-geoip lib{,64}account0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     lib{,64}account-devel dkms-xtables-addons
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     I'll submit the correct branch at a later time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was in the middle of doing it but it seems someone else did it at
+</I>&gt;<i> exactly the same time as the files disappeared!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i>   Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i>   Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>   PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>   Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 16 novembre 2012 19:46:53 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2012/11/15 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012 20:57:36 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I'm pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; After we'll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; yes :) as it should be available on wednesday :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll start tonight to work on new tarballs :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>
+btw tell if needed ( i will have time after qt5 split )
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+&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 7.10-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 307687
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - do not offer to remove DKMS modules for current kernel (mga#5092)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now urpme orphans tries to remove the current kernel, and prebuilt dkms
+</I>&gt;<i> packages for the latest kernel.
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+    <B>Robert Fox</B> 
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=looping+forever">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=looping+forever</A>
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+Updating Cauldron is broken as of this morning -
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mainfox</A> rfox]# urpmi --auto-update -v
+getting lock on urpmi
+using mirror <A HREF="http://mirror.tuxinator.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64">http://mirror.tuxinator.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64</A>
+retrieved $MIRRORLIST media/core/release media_info/MD5SUM
+comparing /var/cache/urpmi/partial/MD5SUM and /var/lib/urpmi/Core
+Release (distrib1)/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;Core Release (distrib1)&quot; is up-to-date
+retrieved $MIRRORLIST media/core/updates media_info/MD5SUM
+comparing /var/cache/urpmi/partial/MD5SUM and /var/lib/urpmi/Core
+Updates (distrib3)/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;Core Updates (distrib3)&quot; is up-to-date
+retrieved $MIRRORLIST media/nonfree/release media_info/MD5SUM
+comparing /var/cache/urpmi/partial/MD5SUM and /var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree
+Release (distrib11)/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;Nonfree Release (distrib11)&quot; is up-to-date
+retrieved $MIRRORLIST media/tainted/release media_info/MD5SUM
+comparing /var/cache/urpmi/partial/MD5SUM and /var/lib/urpmi/Tainted
+Release (distrib21)/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;Tainted Release (distrib21)&quot; is up-to-date
+retrieved $MIRRORLIST media/../../i586/media/core/release
+media_info/MD5SUM
+comparing /var/cache/urpmi/partial/MD5SUM and /var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit
+Release (distrib31)/MD5SUM
+retrieving source synthesis of &quot;Core 32bit Release (distrib31)&quot;...
+    $MIRRORLIST:
+media/../../i586/media/core/release/media_info/20121117-071824-synthesis.hdlist.cz
+retrieved $MIRRORLIST media/../../i586/media/core/release
+media_info/20121117-071824-synthesis.hdlist.cz                                                                                    
+computing md5sum of retrieved source synthesis
+updated medium &quot;Core 32bit Release (distrib31)&quot;
+retrieved $MIRRORLIST media/../../i586/media/core/updates
+media_info/MD5SUM
+comparing /var/cache/urpmi/partial/MD5SUM and /var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit
+Updates (distrib33)/MD5SUM
+medium &quot;Core 32bit Updates (distrib33)&quot; is up-to-date
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core Release
+(distrib1)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core Updates
+(distrib3)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Nonfree Release
+(distrib11)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Tainted Release
+(distrib21)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit Release
+(distrib31)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/Core 32bit Updates
+(distrib33)/synthesis.hdlist.cz]
+getting exclusive lock on rpm
+detecting looping forever while trying to resolve dependancies.
+Aborting... Try again with '-vv --debug' options
+at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.16.2/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/URPM/Resolve.pm line 1061.
+unlocking rpm database
+unlocking urpmi database
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mainfox</A> rfox]# 
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+<PRE>2012/11/16 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> **
+</I>&gt;<i>  Revision 319009 Author zezinho Date 2012-11-16 23:53:57 +0100 (Fri, 16
+</I>&gt;<i> Nov 2012) Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> update patch
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [....]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- cauldron/libqwt/current/SPECS/libqwt.spec	2012-11-16 22:32:15 UTC (rev 319008)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/libqwt/current/SPECS/libqwt.spec	2012-11-16 22:53:57 UTC (rev 319009)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,15 +1,15 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>  %define realname qwt
+</I>&gt;<i> -%define major 5
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define major 6
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  Name: libqwt
+</I>&gt;<i> -Version: 5.2.2
+</I>&gt;<i> -Release: %mkrel 3
+</I>&gt;<i> +Version: 6.0.1
+</I>&gt;<i> +Release: %mkrel 1
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  Changelog should be fixed  since it's not only an update patch but also
+</I>a version upgrade (with a major bump).
+
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+
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+&gt;<i> On 19 October 2012 14:53, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 7.10-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 307687
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - do not offer to remove DKMS modules for current kernel (mga#5092)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now urpme orphans tries to remove the current kernel, and prebuilt dkms
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages for the latest kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fixed
+</I>
+Thanks dear, you deserve a lot of &quot;dentifrice au sucre&quot;!
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+My cauldron has been running with its booted kernel uninstalled for a
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+&#22312; 2012&#24180;11&#26376;17&#26085;&#26143;&#26399;&#20845;&#65292;John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; &#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/11/16 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 319009 Author zezinho Date 2012-11-16 23:53:57 +0100 (Fri, 16
+</I>Nov 2012)
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [....]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- cauldron/libqwt/current/SPECS/libqwt.spec 2012-11-16 22:32:15 UTC
+</I>(rev 319008)
+&gt;&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/libqwt/current/SPECS/libqwt.spec 2012-11-16 22:53:57 UTC
+</I>(rev 319009)
+&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -1,15 +1,15 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  %define realname qwt
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -%define major 5
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%define major 6
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  Name: libqwt
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Version: 5.2.2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Release: %mkrel 3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Version: 6.0.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Release: %mkrel 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Changelog should be fixed  since it's not only an update patch but also a
+</I>version upgrade (with a major bump).
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i> Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 16 novembre 2012 19:46:53 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2012/11/15 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012 20:57:36 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; I'm pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; After we'll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; yes :) as it should be available on wednesday :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yep.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'll start tonight to work on new tarballs :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> btw tell if needed ( i will have time after qt5 split )
+</I>
+Currently it's just a matter of splitting kdegames, some others packages
+need fix for files list &amp; we'll have to work on qwt support for smoke
+bindings (currently disable in my local build to process faster :p )
+
+
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+Balcaen John
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+<PRE>Le samedi 17 novembre 2012 09:51:32 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2012/11/17 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le vendredi 16 novembre 2012 19:46:53 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2012/11/15 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012 20:57:36 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I'm pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; After we'll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; yes :) as it should be available on wednesday :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Yep.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I'll start tonight to work on new tarballs :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; btw tell if needed ( i will have time after qt5 split )
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently it's just a matter of splitting kdegames, some others packages
+</I>&gt;<i> need fix for files list &amp; we'll have to work on qwt support for smoke
+</I>&gt;<i> bindings (currently disable in my local build to process faster :p )
+</I>
+and packaging print-manager which replaced system-config-printer-kde
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+&gt;<i> **
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> and packaging print-manager which replaced system-config-printer-kde
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
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+&gt;<i> printer-applet you mean ? ;o)
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+&gt;<i> 2012/11/17 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; **
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and packaging print-manager which replaced system-config-printer-kde
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; printer-applet you mean ? ;o)
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+&gt;<i> It seems somebody removed my packages, thx. But could debug package be
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+&#22312; 2012&#24180;11&#26376;17&#26085;&#26143;&#26399;&#20845;&#65292;Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt; &#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 16 novembre 2012 19:46:53 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/11/15 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012 20:57:36 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I'm pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; After we'll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; yes :) as it should be available on wednesday :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yep.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll start tonight to work on new tarballs :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> btw tell if needed ( i will have time after qt5 split )
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+&gt;<i> On Thursday, November 15, 2012 07:24:26 PM Thomas Spuhler wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name        : libqwt                       Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 6.0.1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
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+</I>&gt;<i> zezinho &lt;zezinho&gt; 6.0.1-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 319237
+</I>&gt;<i> - obsoletes qwt5
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/11/17 zezinho &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  Name        : libqwt                       Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 6.0.1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> zezinho &lt;zezinho&gt; 6.0.1-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 319237
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - obsoletes qwt5
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess/hope you noticed that you're obsoleting librairies so breaking
+</I>*all* installed applications relaying on libqwt5 (&amp; fwang mentionned early
+that several apps does not rebuild against libqwt 6 ...) ?
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+&gt;<i> Le 17/11/2012 13:52, John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> was the only one affected :p
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  Sorry, it is my first lib update with major change. I now have obsoleted
+</I>&gt;<i> qwt5. I hope we do not need the old qwt?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is even worse !
+Because it's against our policy, but also you're going to break all
+installed applications ...
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+    <B>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz</B> 
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+perl
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+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121117015722.dlucio.valstar.24074/log/freeswitch-1.2.3-1.mga3/build.0.20121117015804.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121117015722.dlucio.valstar.24074/log/freeswitch-1.2.3-1.mga3/build.0.20121117015804.log</A>
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+can you give me an advise or in best case just apply patch to fix this?
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+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> Name        : libqwt                       Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 6.0.1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Sat Nov 17 22:56:14 2012
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> zezinho &lt;zezinho&gt; 6.0.1-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 319237
+</I>&gt;<i> - obsoletes qwt5
+</I>Next time please read or policy before doing something that stupid (or at least have a
+*very* good reason) :) Revert-revert-revert!
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+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dlucio at okay.com.mx</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> For some strange reason, Im having problems compilling/linking freeswitch
+</I>&gt;<i> with
+</I>&gt;<i> perl
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121117015722.dlucio.valstar.24074/log/freeswitch-1.2.3-1.mga3/build.0.20121117015804.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121117015722.dlucio.valstar.24074/log/freeswitch-1.2.3-1.mga3/build.0.20121117015804.log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> can you give me an advise or in best case just apply patch to fix this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Wow this is a scary package
+
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at chopin</A> freeswitch]$ ls -1 SOURCES/
+celt-0.10.0.tar.gz
+communicator_semi_6000_20080321.tar.gz
+flite-1.5.1-current.tar.bz2
+freeswitch-1.2.3.tar.bz2
+json-c-0.9.tar.gz
+lame-3.97.tar.gz
+libmemcached-0.32.tar.gz
+libshout-2.2.2.tar.gz
+mpg123-1.13.2.tar.gz
+openldap-2.4.11.tar.gz
+opus-0.9.0.tar.gz
+pocketsphinx-0.7.tar.gz
+sha1.lst
+soundtouch-1.6.0.tar.gz
+sphinxbase-0.7.tar.gz
+
+
+The spec has :
+%if 0%{?suse_version} &gt; 100
+#BuildRequires: openldap2-devel
+BuildRequires: lzo-devel
+%else
+BuildRequires: openldap-devel
+%endif
+
+So why does it need to have the sources of openldap 2.4.11 (from 2008)?
+
+Why does it include so many very old version of various software? Can they
+at least get patched for all security fixes they got over the years?
+
+Sorry, I wanted to help but this package really looks too awful... The spec
+is 2339 lines, many of them not applying to mageia...
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+Good luck
+
+By the way I am surprised that we don't block upload of packages with such
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+On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dlucio at okay.com.mx</A>&gt; 
+wrote:
+
+For some strange reason, Im having problems compilling/linking freeswitch with
+perl
+
+
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121117015722.dlucio.valstar.24074/log/freeswitch-1.2.3-1.mga3/build.0.20121117015804.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121117015722.dlucio.valstar.24074/log/freeswitch-1.2.3-1.mga3/build.0.20121117015804.log</A>
+
+can you give me an advise or in best case just apply patch to fix this?
+
+
+
+
+Wow this is a scary package
+
+
+
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at chopin</A> freeswitch]$ ls -1 SOURCES/
+celt-0.10.0.tar.gz
+communicator_semi_6000_20080321.tar.gz 
+flite-1.5.1-current.tar.bz2
+freeswitch-1.2.3.tar.bz2
+json-c-0.9.tar.gz
+lame-3.97.tar.gz
+libmemcached-0.32.tar.gz
+libshout-2.2.2.tar.gz
+mpg123-1.13.2.tar.gz 
+openldap-2.4.11.tar.gz
+opus-0.9.0.tar.gz
+pocketsphinx-0.7.tar.gz
+sha1.lst
+soundtouch-1.6.0.tar.gz
+sphinxbase-0.7.tar.gz
+
+
+
+
+The spec has :
+%if 0%{?suse_version} &gt; 100
+#BuildRequires: openldap2-devel
+BuildRequires: lzo-devel
+%else
+BuildRequires: openldap-devel
+%endif 
+
+
+So why does it need to have the sources of openldap 2.4.11 (from 2008)?
+
+
+Why does it include so many very old version of various software? Can they at 
+least get patched for all security fixes they got over the years? 
+
+
+Sorry, I wanted to help but this package really looks too awful... The spec 
+is 2339 lines, many of them not applying to mageia...
+
+
+Good luck
+
+
+By the way I am surprised that we don't block upload of packages with such 
+Packager tag 
+
+
+I know, they are statically linked.  I did ask directly to freeswitch ML and 
+they told me they freeze the use of these packages because they are tested to 
+work. Anyway I have linked as shared so it is only to let the srpm work, i 
+will try to strip them, but please help me on the perl linking, i dont find a 
+reason why it looks for libperl    
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+    <B>Bo Lan</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi everyone,
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+I am new in packaging, and try to package a new stuff, but fail in
+compiling process. I can manually compile and install it without any
+problem, but when I use &quot;rpmbuild -ba&quot;, there are so many error about
+&quot;undefined reference to bla bla bla&quot;.
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+On the attachment of this email, there are my SPEC file and a copy of
+compiling error message. Hope you can teach me how to correct that.
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+Sincerely,
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+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-chewing_large_table.o): In function `pinyin::ChewingArrayIndexLevel&lt;1ul&gt;::convert(unsigned int, pinyin::ChewingKey*, pinyin::PinyinIndexItem2&lt;1ul&gt;*, pinyin::PinyinIndexItem2&lt;1ul&gt;*, _GArray**) const':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/chewing_large_table.cpp:455: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/chewing_large_table.cpp:446: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-chewing_large_table.o): In function `pinyin::ChewingArrayIndexLevel&lt;2ul&gt;::convert(unsigned int, pinyin::ChewingKey*, pinyin::PinyinIndexItem2&lt;2ul&gt;*, pinyin::PinyinIndexItem2&lt;2ul&gt;*, _GArray**) const':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/chewing_large_table.cpp:446: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-chewing_large_table.o):/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/chewing_large_table.cpp:455: more undefined references to `g_array_append_vals' follow
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-pinyin_parser2.o): In function `pinyin::DoublePinyinParser2::parse(unsigned int, _GArray*&amp;, _GArray*&amp;, char const*, int) const':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:716: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:717: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:749: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:750: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-pinyin_parser2.o): In function `pinyin::ChewingParser2::parse_one_key(unsigned int, pinyin::ChewingKey&amp;, char const*, int) const':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:864: undefined reference to `g_free'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:851: undefined reference to `g_strconcat'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:852: undefined reference to `g_free'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:848: undefined reference to `g_strdup'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:860: undefined reference to `g_free'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-pinyin_parser2.o): In function `pinyin::FullPinyinParser2::FullPinyinParser2()':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:208: undefined reference to `g_array_new'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-pinyin_parser2.o): In function `pinyin::FullPinyinParser2::final_step(unsigned long, _GArray*&amp;, _GArray*&amp;) const':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:413: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:414: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-pinyin_parser2.o): In function `pinyin::FullPinyinParser2::parse(unsigned int, _GArray*&amp;, _GArray*&amp;, char const*, int) const':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:262: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:263: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:267: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:270: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:274: undefined reference to `g_strndup'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:394: undefined reference to `g_free'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-pinyin_parser2.o): In function `pinyin::ChewingParser2::parse(unsigned int, _GArray*&amp;, _GArray*&amp;, char const*, int) const':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:873: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:874: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:905: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:906: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-pinyin_parser2.o): In function `pinyin::FullPinyinParser2::parse_one_key(unsigned int, pinyin::ChewingKey&amp;, char const*, int) const':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:216: undefined reference to `g_strndup'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:238: undefined reference to `g_free'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:252: undefined reference to `g_free'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-pinyin_parser2.o): In function `pinyin::DoublePinyinParser2::parse_one_key(unsigned int, pinyin::ChewingKey&amp;, char const*, int) const':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:685: undefined reference to `g_strdup_printf'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:691: undefined reference to `g_free'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:698: undefined reference to `g_strdup_printf'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:704: undefined reference to `g_free'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:688: undefined reference to `g_free'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:701: undefined reference to `g_free'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-pinyin_parser2.o): In function `pinyin::ChewingKey::get_pinyin_string()':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:93: undefined reference to `g_strdup_printf'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:91: undefined reference to `g_strdup'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-pinyin_parser2.o): In function `pinyin::ChewingKey::get_chewing_string()':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:107: undefined reference to `g_strdup_printf'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.cpp:104: undefined reference to `g_strdup'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-pinyin_parser2.o): In function `pinyin::FullPinyinParser2::~FullPinyinParser2()':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.h:171: undefined reference to `g_array_free'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-pinyin_parser2.o): In function `~FullPinyinParser2':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/pinyin_parser2.h:171: undefined reference to `g_array_free'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-ngram.o): In function `pinyin::SingleGram::retrieve_all(_GArray*) const':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/ngram.cpp:100: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-ngram.o): In function `pinyin::Bigram::get_all_items(_GArray*)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/ngram.cpp:378: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/ngram.cpp:397: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-ngram.o): In function `pinyin::SingleGram::search(pinyin::PhraseIndexRange*, _GArray*) const':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/ngram.cpp:125: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `hash_table_key_value_free':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:112: undefined reference to `g_free'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:113: undefined reference to `g_free'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::tag_entry_copy(int, char const*, int, char**, char**)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:29: undefined reference to `g_strdup'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:31: undefined reference to `g_strdupv'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:32: undefined reference to `g_strdupv'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::tag_entry_reclaim(pinyin::tag_entry*)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:43: undefined reference to `g_free'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:44: undefined reference to `g_strfreev'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `taglib_free_tag_array':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:53: undefined reference to `g_array_free'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::taglib_init()':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:72: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_new'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:73: undefined reference to `g_array_new'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:74: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_add'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `split_line_init':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:62: undefined reference to `g_utf8_get_char'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:63: undefined reference to `g_utf8_get_char'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::taglib_add_tag(int, char const*, int, char const*, char const*)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:94: undefined reference to `g_strsplit_set'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:95: undefined reference to `g_strsplit_set'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:99: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:101: undefined reference to `g_strfreev'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:102: undefined reference to `g_strfreev'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::taglib_read(char const*, int&amp;, _GPtrArray*, _GHashTable*)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:174: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_foreach'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:175: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:176: undefined reference to `g_hash_table_foreach_steal'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `split_line':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:120: undefined reference to `g_array_new'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:123: undefined reference to `g_utf8_get_char'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:127: undefined reference to `g_unichar_isspace'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:154: undefined reference to `g_utf8_skip'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:151: undefined reference to `g_utf8_get_char'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:152: undefined reference to `g_unichar_isgraph'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:160: undefined reference to `g_strndup'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:163: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:122: undefined reference to `g_utf8_skip'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:168: undefined reference to `g_array_free'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::taglib_read(char const*, int&amp;, _GPtrArray*, _GHashTable*)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:181: undefined reference to `g_strv_length'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:203: undefined reference to `g_strdup'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:204: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_add'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:246: undefined reference to `g_return_if_fail_warning'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:207: undefined reference to `g_strv_length'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:208: undefined reference to `g_strv_length'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:254: undefined reference to `g_hash_table_lookup_extended'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:256: undefined reference to `g_log'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:257: undefined reference to `g_strfreev'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:244: undefined reference to `g_strdup'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:247: undefined reference to `g_strdup'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:248: undefined reference to `g_hash_table_insert'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:239: undefined reference to `g_log'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `split_line':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:132: undefined reference to `g_utf8_skip'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:134: undefined reference to `g_utf8_get_char'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:137: undefined reference to `g_return_if_fail_warning'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:143: undefined reference to `g_strndup'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:146: undefined reference to `g_strdup_printf'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:147: undefined reference to `g_free'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::taglib_read(char const*, int&amp;, _GPtrArray*, _GHashTable*)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:262: undefined reference to `g_strfreev'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::taglib_remove_tag(int)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:274: undefined reference to `g_array_remove_index'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::taglib_push_state()':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:282: undefined reference to `g_array_new'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:287: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:289: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_add'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::taglib_pop_state()':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:296: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_remove_index'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::taglib_fini()':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:306: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_free'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::taglib_string_to_token(pinyin::PhraseLargeTable2*, pinyin::FacadePhraseIndex*, char const*)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:341: undefined reference to `g_utf8_strlen'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:342: undefined reference to `g_utf8_to_ucs4'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::FacadePhraseIndex::prepare_tokens(_GArray**)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/phrase_index.h:725: undefined reference to `g_array_new'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::FacadePhraseIndex::destroy_tokens(_GArray**)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/phrase_index.h:761: undefined reference to `g_array_free'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::taglib_string_to_token(pinyin::PhraseLargeTable2*, pinyin::FacadePhraseIndex*, char const*)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:354: undefined reference to `g_free'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::taglib_token_to_string(pinyin::FacadePhraseIndex*, unsigned int)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:399: undefined reference to `g_ucs4_to_utf8'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:388: undefined reference to `g_strdup'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `ptr_array_entry_free':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:107: undefined reference to `g_free'
+storage/.libs/libstorage.a(libstorage_la-tag_utility.o): In function `pinyin::tag_entry_reclaim(pinyin::tag_entry*)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/storage/tag_utility.cpp:45: undefined reference to `g_strfreev'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `clear_steps':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:174: undefined reference to `g_hash_table_destroy'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:181: undefined reference to `g_array_free'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `pinyin::PinyinLookup2::PinyinLookup2(unsigned int, pinyin::FacadeChewingTable*, pinyin::FacadePhraseIndex*, pinyin::Bigram*, pinyin::Bigram*)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:198: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_new'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:199: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_new'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `pinyin::PinyinLookup2::~PinyinLookup2()':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:204: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_free'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:205: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_free'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `pinyin::PinyinLookup2::save_next_step(int, pinyin::lookup_value_t*, pinyin::lookup_value_t*)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:448: undefined reference to `g_hash_table_lookup_extended'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:451: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:452: undefined reference to `g_hash_table_insert'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `pinyin::PinyinLookup2::search_bigram2(_GPtrArray*, int, _GArray**)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:326: undefined reference to `g_array_new'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:362: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:377: undefined reference to `g_array_free'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `pinyin::PinyinLookup2::final_step(_GArray*&amp;)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:475: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:510: undefined reference to `g_hash_table_lookup_extended'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `pinyin::PinyinLookup2::validate_constraint(_GArray*, _GArray*)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:677: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:687: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `init_steps':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:157: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:158: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:162: undefined reference to `g_direct_equal'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:162: undefined reference to `g_direct_hash'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:162: undefined reference to `g_hash_table_new'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:164: undefined reference to `g_array_new'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `populate_prefixes':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:141: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:147: undefined reference to `g_hash_table_insert'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `pinyin::FacadePhraseIndex::prepare_ranges(_GArray**)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/../../src/storage/phrase_index.h:666: undefined reference to `g_array_new'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `pinyin::PinyinLookup2::get_best_match(_GArray*, _GArray*, _GArray*, _GArray*&amp;)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:227: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_new'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:228: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_new'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `populate_candidates':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:75: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:84: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_add'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `get_top_results':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:99: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_set_size'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `pinyin::FacadePhraseIndex::destroy_ranges(_GArray**)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/../../src/storage/phrase_index.h:702: undefined reference to `g_array_free'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `pinyin::PinyinLookup2::get_best_match(_GArray*, _GArray*, _GArray*, _GArray*&amp;)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:276: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_free'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:277: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_free'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `get_top_results':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/pinyin_lookup2.cpp:113: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_add'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-pinyin_lookup2.o): In function `pinyin::FacadeChewingTable::search(int, pinyin::ChewingKey*, _GArray**) const':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/../../src/storage/facade_chewing_table.h:148: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-phrase_lookup.o): In function `clear_steps':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:81: undefined reference to `g_hash_table_destroy'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:88: undefined reference to `g_array_free'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-phrase_lookup.o): In function `pinyin::PhraseLookup::PhraseLookup(pinyin::FacadePhraseTable2*, pinyin::FacadePhraseIndex*, pinyin::Bigram*, pinyin::Bigram*)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:102: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_new'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:103: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_new'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-phrase_lookup.o): In function `pinyin::PhraseLookup::~PhraseLookup()':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:108: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_free'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:109: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_free'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-phrase_lookup.o): In function `pinyin::PhraseLookup::save_next_step(int, pinyin::lookup_value_t*, pinyin::lookup_value_t*)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:350: undefined reference to `g_hash_table_lookup_extended'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:353: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:355: undefined reference to `g_hash_table_insert'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-phrase_lookup.o): In function `pinyin::PhraseLookup::final_step(_GArray*&amp;)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:376: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:413: undefined reference to `g_hash_table_lookup_extended'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-phrase_lookup.o): In function `init_steps':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:61: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:62: undefined reference to `g_ptr_array_set_size'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:67: undefined reference to `g_direct_equal'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:67: undefined reference to `g_direct_hash'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:67: undefined reference to `g_hash_table_new'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:70: undefined reference to `g_array_new'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-phrase_lookup.o): In function `populate_prefixes':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:46: undefined reference to `g_array_append_vals'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/phrase_lookup.cpp:51: undefined reference to `g_hash_table_insert'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-phrase_lookup.o): In function `pinyin::FacadePhraseIndex::prepare_tokens(_GArray**)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/../../src/storage/phrase_index.h:725: undefined reference to `g_array_new'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-phrase_lookup.o): In function `pinyin::FacadePhraseTable2::search(int, unsigned int*, _GArray**) const':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/../../src/storage/facade_phrase_table2.h:128: undefined reference to `g_array_set_size'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-phrase_lookup.o): In function `pinyin::FacadePhraseIndex::destroy_tokens(_GArray**)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/../../src/storage/phrase_index.h:761: undefined reference to `g_array_free'
+lookup/.libs/liblookup.a(liblookup_la-lookup.o): In function `pinyin::convert_to_utf8(pinyin::FacadePhraseIndex*, _GArray*, char const*, char*&amp;)':
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/lookup.cpp:50: undefined reference to `g_ucs4_to_utf8'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/lookup.cpp:55: undefined reference to `g_strconcat'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/lookup.cpp:56: undefined reference to `g_free'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/lookup.cpp:56: undefined reference to `g_free'
+/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src/lookup/lookup.cpp:53: undefined reference to `g_strdup'
+collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
+make[3]: *** [libpinyin.la] Error 1
+make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src'
+make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
+make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92/src'
+make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
+make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/bo/rpm/BUILD/libpinyin-0.7.92'
+make: *** [all] Error 2
+error: Bad exit status from /home/bo/rpm/tmp/rpm-tmp.X3Ts8O (%build)
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+RPM build errors:
+    Bad exit status from /home/bo/rpm/tmp/rpm-tmp.X3Ts8O (%build)
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+    <B>Anssi Hannula</B> 
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+<PRE>17.11.2012 11:58, Robert Fox kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> Bug has been filed:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=looping+forever">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=looping+forever</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Updating Cauldron is broken as of this morning -
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+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mainfox</A> rfox]# urpmi --auto-update -v
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+&gt;<i> detecting looping forever while trying to resolve dependancies.
+</I>&gt;<i> Aborting... Try again with '-vv --debug' options
+</I>&gt;<i> at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.16.2/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/URPM/Resolve.pm line 1061.
+</I>&gt;<i> unlocking rpm database
+</I>&gt;<i> unlocking urpmi database
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+It seems the loop threshold Resolve.pm:1061 is way too low and detects
+looping when there in fact isn't any. I bumped it up by several orders
+of magnitude locally and then urpmi worked again.
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+2012/11/18, Bo Lan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lanbo64 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am new in packaging, and try to package a new stuff, but fail in
+</I>&gt;<i> compiling process. I can manually compile and install it without any
+</I>&gt;<i> problem, but when I use &quot;rpmbuild -ba&quot;, there are so many error about
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;undefined reference to bla bla bla&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On the attachment of this email, there are my SPEC file and a copy of
+</I>&gt;<i> compiling error message. Hope you can teach me how to correct that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sincerely,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bo
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+&gt;<i> Would you mind import srpm into cauldron? So that we could collab on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/11/18, Bo Lan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lanbo64 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am new in packaging, and try to package a new stuff, but fail in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; compiling process. I can manually compile and install it without any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; problem, but when I use &quot;rpmbuild -ba&quot;, there are so many error about
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;undefined reference to bla bla bla&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On the attachment of this email, there are my SPEC file and a copy of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; compiling error message. Hope you can teach me how to correct that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sincerely,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Bo
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>
+I don't mind. It is good if it can be imported into cauldron. But hope
+the problem that can be solved, and then I can learn from it about what
+happen of the error.
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+via &quot;rpmbuild -bs&quot; or bm -s. then import it via &quot;mgarepo import
+libpinyin.src.rpm&quot;.
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+2012/11/18, Bo Lan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lanbo64 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 2012-11-18 at 18:49 +0800, Funda Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would you mind import srpm into cauldron? So that we could collab on it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/11/18, Bo Lan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lanbo64 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I am new in packaging, and try to package a new stuff, but fail in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; compiling process. I can manually compile and install it without any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; problem, but when I use &quot;rpmbuild -ba&quot;, there are so many error about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;undefined reference to bla bla bla&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On the attachment of this email, there are my SPEC file and a copy of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; compiling error message. Hope you can teach me how to correct that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Sincerely,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Bo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't mind. It is good if it can be imported into cauldron. But hope
+</I>&gt;<i> the problem that can be solved, and then I can learn from it about what
+</I>&gt;<i> happen of the error.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Bug has been filed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=looping+forever">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=looping+forever</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Updating Cauldron is broken as of this morning -
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mainfox</A> rfox]# urpmi --auto-update -v
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> detecting looping forever while trying to resolve dependancies.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Aborting... Try again with '-vv --debug' options
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.16.2/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/URPM/Resolve.pm line 1061.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unlocking rpm database
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unlocking urpmi database
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems the loop threshold Resolve.pm:1061 is way too low and detects
+</I>&gt;<i> looping when there in fact isn't any. I bumped it up by several orders
+</I>&gt;<i> of magnitude locally and then urpmi worked again.
+</I>
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+<PRE>Le 18/11/2012 00:56, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 17.11.2012 23:57, zezinho kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : libqwt                       Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 6.0.1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Sat Nov 17 22:56:14 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> zezinho&lt;zezinho&gt;  6.0.1-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 319237
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - obsoletes qwt5
+</I>&gt;<i> Next time please read or policy before doing something that stupid (or at least have a
+</I>&gt;<i> *very* good reason) :) Revert-revert-revert!
+</I>
+All this shots make me understand I did something stupid, but I don't 
+see where : I followed the libs policy page.
+- libqwt package went to 6
+- Should I create a libqwt5 package?
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+&gt;<i> On 18 November 2012 11:38, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Bug has been filed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=looping+forever">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=looping+forever</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Updating Cauldron is broken as of this morning -
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mainfox</A> rfox]# urpmi --auto-update -v
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> detecting looping forever while trying to resolve dependancies.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Aborting... Try again with '-vv --debug' options
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.16.2/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/URPM/Resolve.pm line 1061.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unlocking rpm database
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unlocking urpmi database
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It seems the loop threshold Resolve.pm:1061 is way too low and detects
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> looping when there in fact isn't any. I bumped it up by several orders
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of magnitude locally and then urpmi worked again.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> To what value did you bump it?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+To 100000, but that was just a random value since I mainly just wanted
+the upgrade to work. I don't know what would be a reasonable value.
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+&gt;<i> Le 18/11/2012 00:56, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 17.11.2012 23:57, zezinho kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : libqwt                       Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 6.0.1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Sat Nov 17 22:56:14 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> zezinho&lt;zezinho&gt;  6.0.1-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 319237
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - obsoletes qwt5
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Next time please read or policy before doing something that stupid (or at least have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> *very* good reason) :) Revert-revert-revert!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All this shots make me understand I did something stupid, but I don't see where : I
+</I>&gt;<i> followed the libs policy page.
+</I>&gt;<i> - libqwt package went to 6
+</I>&gt;<i> - Should I create a libqwt5 package?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>You should NOT obsolete library that has different major (especially if there are packages
+that depend on that older library).
+Now to fix the mess:
+    - create libqwt5 package
+    - do not obsolete it with libqwt
+    - rebuild all packages depending on libqwt (if they don't build with new version, switch
+them to libqwt5)
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+&gt;<i> You should NOT obsolete library that has different major (especially if there are packages
+</I>&gt;<i> that depend on that older library).
+</I>
+Thank you, now I got it.
+
+&gt;<i> Now to fix the mess:
+</I>&gt;<i>      - create libqwt5 package
+</I>
+Done, but cannot submit it because a libqwt5 package already exists. Any 
+hint?
+
+&gt;<i>      - do not obsolete it with libqwt
+</I>
+Done, with libqwt-6.0.1-3.mga3
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+&gt;<i>      - rebuild all packages depending on libqwt (if they don't build with new version, switch
+</I>&gt;<i> them to libqwt5)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'll do it as soon as I manage to submit a libqwt5 package.
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+&gt;<i> 18.11.2012 13:30, Thierry Vignaud kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 18 November 2012 11:38, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Bug has been filed:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=looping+forever">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=looping+forever</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Updating Cauldron is broken as of this morning -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mainfox</A> rfox]# urpmi --auto-update -v
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; detecting looping forever while trying to resolve dependancies.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Aborting... Try again with '-vv --debug' options
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.16.2/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/URPM/Resol
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; ve.pm line 1061. unlocking rpm database
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; unlocking urpmi database
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It seems the loop threshold Resolve.pm:1061 is way too low and detects
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; looping when there in fact isn't any. I bumped it up by several orders
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; of magnitude locally and then urpmi worked again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To what value did you bump it?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> To 100000, but that was just a random value since I mainly just wanted
+</I>&gt;<i> the upgrade to work. I don't know what would be a reasonable value.
+</I>Did you upgrade it on the server? if yes, this didn't solve the problem.
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+zezinho &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Em 18-11-2012 14:06, Sander Lepik escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You should NOT obsolete library that has different major
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (especially if there are packages that depend on that older
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; library).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you, now I got it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now to fix the mess:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;      - create libqwt5 package
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Done, but cannot submit it because a libqwt5 package already exists.
+</I>&gt;<i> Any hint?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+It's just a packaging &quot;error&quot;. There's two libqwt5 pkgs defined in the
+same spec and it's only valid on i586.
+
+Name: libqwt5
+%define libname %mklibname qwt %{major}
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+However, I've no idea how to fix it.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Now to fix the mess:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      - create libqwt5 package
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Done, but cannot submit it because a libqwt5 package already exists. Any hint?
+</I>You can't submit it because your main package (Name: libqwt5) and library package for i586
+(%define libname %mklibname qwt %{major}) have the same name. As main package contains no
+files i would probably rename it to qwt (Name %realname), but i'm not 100% sure if that's
+the right thing to do. Packagers with more knowledge may have better ideas.
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+Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 18.11.2012 16:52, zezinho kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Now to fix the mess:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;      - create libqwt5 package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Done, but cannot submit it because a libqwt5 package already
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; exists. Any hint?
+</I>&gt;<i> You can't submit it because your main package (Name: libqwt5) and
+</I>&gt;<i> library package for i586 (%define libname %mklibname qwt %{major})
+</I>&gt;<i> have the same name. As main package contains no files i would
+</I>&gt;<i> probably rename it to qwt (Name %realname), but i'm not 100% sure if
+</I>&gt;<i> that's the right thing to do. Packagers with more knowledge may have
+</I>&gt;<i> better ideas.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Renaming also affects to the src pkg name and IMHO it's not how it
+should be done.
+
+Just remembered one similar case. Dunno if this helps, but look how it's
+made in libraw1394_8 pkg.
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/libraw1394_8/current/SPECS/libraw1394_8.spec?revision=302617&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/libraw1394_8/current/SPECS/libraw1394_8.spec?revision=302617&amp;view=markup</A>
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+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Revision: 319464
+</I>&gt;<i> Author:   zezinho
+</I>&gt;<i> Date:     2012-11-18 16:40:17 +0100 (Sun, 18 Nov 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message:
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------
+</I>&gt;<i> fix package name
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified Paths:
+</I>&gt;<i> --------------
+</I>&gt;<i>     cauldron/libqwt_5/current/SPECS/libqwt5.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/libqwt_5/current/SPECS/libqwt5.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- cauldron/libqwt_5/current/SPECS/libqwt5.spec	2012-11-18
+</I>&gt;<i> 15:38:37 UTC (rev 319463) +++
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/libqwt_5/current/SPECS/libqwt5.spec	2012-11-18
+</I>&gt;<i> 15:40:17 UTC (rev 319464) @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ %define realname qwt
+</I>&gt;<i>  %define major 5
+</I>&gt;<i>  
+</I>&gt;<i> -Name: libqwt5
+</I>&gt;<i> +Name: libqwt_5
+</I>&gt;<i>  Version: 5.2.2
+</I>&gt;<i>  Release: %mkrel 4
+</I>&gt;<i>  Summary: 2D plotting widget extension to the Qt GUI
+</I>
+No no, this wasn't what I meant in my previous post when I said look
+how it's made in libraw1394_8 pkg. :(
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+The thing you should have looked and added was 
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+%if %{_lib} != lib
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+As many of you know, upgrading from Mageia 2 is somewhat tricky due to
+the usr move.
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+With Alpha3 comes the ability for the installer to upgrade the
+filesystem layout, but many of you (myself included) prefer upgrading
+via urpmi rather than the installer.
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+While this is possible with some manual commands, it's not as trivial a
+task as it should be - until now!!
+
+So I've just pushed the package mageia-prepare-upgrade to mga2
+core/updates_testing.
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+This package, when installed will add a new menu option to your
+bootloader. Simply install this package, reboot, select the &quot;Mageia 3
+Upgrade Preparation&quot; entry boot, wait while your FS is converted and
+then perform a urpmi upgrade as you would normally.
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+I've not specifically tested the upgrade part, only the installation and
+creation of the initrd and bootloader entries in grub. I've also not
+done this on an mga2 machine yet but will do soon enough.
+
+I just wanted to get this package &quot;out there&quot; for anyone wanting to
+update their mga2 machines to mga3 a3 but not wanting to use the installer.
+
+At present there are a few limitations:
+
+1. It requires kernel 3.3.8-2.mga2 to be installed (any flavour should
+work). A specific kernel version is not really 100% necessary but it
+does mean I can add hard requires to the package. This is only desirable
+to prevent the situation where users install this upgrade package but do
+not run it and later remove the kernel used to generate the initrd for
+the bootloader menu item, thus breaking it. Any smarter ideas on how to
+manage this welcome.
+
+2. If you have /usr in a separate partition and have it mounted ro in
+your fstab, you will have to manually change the fstab to rw for the
+upgrade boot.
+
+
+Happy testing. Let me know if it kills any kittens. Please keep a backup
+etc. etc.
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> This package, when installed will add a new menu option to your
+</I>&gt;<i> bootloader. Simply install this package, reboot, select the &quot;Mageia 3
+</I>&gt;<i> Upgrade Preparation&quot; entry boot, wait while your FS is converted and
+</I>&gt;<i> then perform a urpmi upgrade as you would normally.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've not specifically tested the upgrade part, only the installation and
+</I>&gt;<i> creation of the initrd and bootloader entries in grub. I've also not
+</I>&gt;<i> done this on an mga2 machine yet but will do soon enough.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just wanted to get this package &quot;out there&quot; for anyone wanting to
+</I>&gt;<i> update their mga2 machines to mga3 a3 but not wanting to use the installer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At present there are a few limitations:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. It requires kernel 3.3.8-2.mga2 to be installed (any flavour should
+</I>&gt;<i> work). A specific kernel version is not really 100% necessary but it
+</I>&gt;<i> does mean I can add hard requires to the package. This is only desirable
+</I>&gt;<i> to prevent the situation where users install this upgrade package but do
+</I>&gt;<i> not run it and later remove the kernel used to generate the initrd for
+</I>&gt;<i> the bootloader menu item, thus breaking it. Any smarter ideas on how to
+</I>&gt;<i> manage this welcome.
+</I>
+Cannot you just made dracut/mkinitrd always include it and just
+rebuild initrds so
+that any kernel with work
+
+&gt;<i> 2. If you have /usr in a separate partition and have it mounted ro in
+</I>&gt;<i> your fstab, you will have to manually change the fstab to rw for the
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade boot.
+</I>
+Cannot you just automatically remount / rw?
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+    <B>Thomas Spuhler</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 18 November 2012 17:37, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This package, when installed will add a new menu option to your
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; bootloader. Simply install this package, reboot, select the &quot;Mageia 3
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Upgrade Preparation&quot; entry boot, wait while your FS is converted and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; then perform a urpmi upgrade as you would normally.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've not specifically tested the upgrade part, only the installation and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; creation of the initrd and bootloader entries in grub. I've also not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; done this on an mga2 machine yet but will do soon enough.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I just wanted to get this package &quot;out there&quot; for anyone wanting to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; update their mga2 machines to mga3 a3 but not wanting to use the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installer.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; At present there are a few limitations:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. It requires kernel 3.3.8-2.mga2 to be installed (any flavour should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; work). A specific kernel version is not really 100% necessary but it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; does mean I can add hard requires to the package. This is only desirable
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to prevent the situation where users install this upgrade package but do
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not run it and later remove the kernel used to generate the initrd for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the bootloader menu item, thus breaking it. Any smarter ideas on how to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; manage this welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cannot you just made dracut/mkinitrd always include it and just
+</I>&gt;<i> rebuild initrds so
+</I>&gt;<i> that any kernel with work
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. If you have /usr in a separate partition and have it mounted ro in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; your fstab, you will have to manually change the fstab to rw for the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; upgrade boot.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cannot you just automatically remount / rw?
+</I>This is great, but if you are running it on a Virtualbox, it will not work (at least it didn't work 
+2 weeks ago). The problem is I (you) lose the network connection at the initial 100+ packages 
+upgrade and you cannot finish it.
+I may try it again after the holidays, but we may need to put a warning out.
+The other option would be to download everything before the actaul upgrade.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 2. If you have /usr in a separate partition and have it mounted ro in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; your fstab, you will have to manually change the fstab to rw for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; upgrade boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cannot you just automatically remount / rw?
+</I>&gt;<i> This is great, but if you are running it on a Virtualbox, it will not work (at least it didn't work
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 weeks ago). The problem is I (you) lose the network connection at the initial 100+ packages
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade and you cannot finish it.
+</I>
+That's not related to virtualbox.
+
+&gt;<i> I may try it again after the holidays, but we may need to put a warning out.
+</I>&gt;<i> The other option would be to download everything before the actaul upgrade.
+</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 18/11/12 16:40 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 18 November 2012 17:37, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This package, when installed will add a new menu option to your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bootloader. Simply install this package, reboot, select the &quot;Mageia 3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Upgrade Preparation&quot; entry boot, wait while your FS is converted and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then perform a urpmi upgrade as you would normally.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've not specifically tested the upgrade part, only the installation and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> creation of the initrd and bootloader entries in grub. I've also not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> done this on an mga2 machine yet but will do soon enough.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just wanted to get this package &quot;out there&quot; for anyone wanting to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update their mga2 machines to mga3 a3 but not wanting to use the installer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At present there are a few limitations:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. It requires kernel 3.3.8-2.mga2 to be installed (any flavour should
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work). A specific kernel version is not really 100% necessary but it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> does mean I can add hard requires to the package. This is only desirable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to prevent the situation where users install this upgrade package but do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not run it and later remove the kernel used to generate the initrd for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the bootloader menu item, thus breaking it. Any smarter ideas on how to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> manage this welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cannot you just made dracut/mkinitrd always include it and just
+</I>&gt;<i> rebuild initrds so
+</I>&gt;<i> that any kernel with work
+</I>
+Well yes, this package installs a dracut config snippet that does always
+include the module. The rebuilding of the initrd is just that - a
+rebuild under the same name as is always used for the normal kernel -
+just with the extra convertfs module added.
+
+However, it requires special kernel command line to trigger the change
+and thus the bootloader entry adds the needed params for you.
+
+I'm not sure it would be a good idea to make any boot silently do the
+conversion.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> 2. If you have /usr in a separate partition and have it mounted ro in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> your fstab, you will have to manually change the fstab to rw for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upgrade boot.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cannot you just automatically remount / rw?
+</I>
+Yup it would of course be possible, however I'm not sure it's a good
+idea. I mean users who have chosen to have both a separate /usr and to
+mount it ro by default are undoubtebly in the minority. They likely do
+so for very specific reasons. To this end asking them to acknowledge the
+change very specifically seems to me like the prudent option, rather
+than silently remounting rw for them.
+
+However, if your first point is conceded, you could argue that the user
+is very specifically requesting a rw setup anyway and that, to me, is
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+So I would likely propose keeping the special menu item, but also
+changing the convertfs script such that it can be used with a ro /usr
+silently without any manual intervention.
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 18/11/12 17:59 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> This is great, but if you are running it on a Virtualbox, it will not work (at least it didn't work 
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 weeks ago). 
+</I>
+I presume you just mean urpmi upgrading generally rather than anything
+usr move specific which is the main point in this thread?
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+&gt;<i> The problem is I (you) lose the network connection at the initial 100+ packages 
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade and you cannot finish it.
+</I>&gt;<i> I may try it again after the holidays, but we may need to put a warning out.
+</I>&gt;<i> The other option would be to download everything before the actaul upgrade.
+</I>
+I've had to deal with similar problems for many years. Either nfs mounts
+are lost and the path to the install mirror is lost, or named restarts
+and DNS fails. There are no doubt other paths too, but this is a fairly
+common issue all the same. Obviously it would be nice to handle it (in
+all it's causes) more gracefully, but it's not strictly speaking why I
+started this thread (although I cannot deny it firs the subject :p)
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Em 18-11-2012 19:12, Thierry Vignaud escreveu:
+&gt;&gt;<i> 2 weeks ago). The problem is I (you) lose the network connection at the initial 100+ packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upgrade and you cannot finish it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I may try it again after the holidays, but we may need to put a warning out.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The other option would be to download everything before the actaul upgrade.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi --download-all
+</I>
+The important to not get broken upgrades is the GUI that will invite to 
+upgrade. Maybe we should modify it to default check the box &quot;download 
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+<PRE>On 18 Nov 2012 22:13, &quot;Colin Guthrie&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 18/11/12 16:40 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 18 November 2012 17:37, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; This package, when installed will add a new menu option to your
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; bootloader. Simply install this package, reboot, select the &quot;Mageia 3
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Upgrade Preparation&quot; entry boot, wait while your FS is converted and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; then perform a urpmi upgrade as you would normally.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I've not specifically tested the upgrade part, only the installation
+</I>and
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; creation of the initrd and bootloader entries in grub. I've also not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; done this on an mga2 machine yet but will do soon enough.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I just wanted to get this package &quot;out there&quot; for anyone wanting to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; update their mga2 machines to mga3 a3 but not wanting to use the
+</I>installer.
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; At present there are a few limitations:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1. It requires kernel 3.3.8-2.mga2 to be installed (any flavour should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; work). A specific kernel version is not really 100% necessary but it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; does mean I can add hard requires to the package. This is only
+</I>desirable
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to prevent the situation where users install this upgrade package but
+</I>do
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; not run it and later remove the kernel used to generate the initrd for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the bootloader menu item, thus breaking it. Any smarter ideas on how to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; manage this welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cannot you just made dracut/mkinitrd always include it and just
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rebuild initrds so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that any kernel with work
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well yes, this package installs a dracut config snippet that does always
+</I>&gt;<i> include the module. The rebuilding of the initrd is just that - a
+</I>&gt;<i> rebuild under the same name as is always used for the normal kernel -
+</I>&gt;<i> just with the extra convertfs module added.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, it requires special kernel command line to trigger the change
+</I>&gt;<i> and thus the bootloader entry adds the needed params for you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure it would be a good idea to make any boot silently do the
+</I>&gt;<i> conversion.
+</I>
+But you can have the new entry pointing to the non versionned symlinks
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 18/11/12 23:52 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> On 18 Nov 2012 22:13, &quot;Colin Guthrie&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 18/11/12 16:40 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On 18 November 2012 17:37, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; This package, when installed will add a new menu option to your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; bootloader. Simply install this package, reboot, select the &quot;Mageia 3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Upgrade Preparation&quot; entry boot, wait while your FS is converted and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; then perform a urpmi upgrade as you would normally.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I've not specifically tested the upgrade part, only the
+</I>&gt;<i> installation and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; creation of the initrd and bootloader entries in grub. I've also not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; done this on an mga2 machine yet but will do soon enough.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I just wanted to get this package &quot;out there&quot; for anyone wanting to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; update their mga2 machines to mga3 a3 but not wanting to use the
+</I>&gt;<i> installer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; At present there are a few limitations:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1. It requires kernel 3.3.8-2.mga2 to be installed (any flavour should
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; work). A specific kernel version is not really 100% necessary but it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; does mean I can add hard requires to the package. This is only
+</I>&gt;<i> desirable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to prevent the situation where users install this upgrade package
+</I>&gt;<i> but do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; not run it and later remove the kernel used to generate the initrd for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the bootloader menu item, thus breaking it. Any smarter ideas on how to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; manage this welcome.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Cannot you just made dracut/mkinitrd always include it and just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; rebuild initrds so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; that any kernel with work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well yes, this package installs a dracut config snippet that does always
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> include the module. The rebuilding of the initrd is just that - a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rebuild under the same name as is always used for the normal kernel -
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just with the extra convertfs module added.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, it requires special kernel command line to trigger the change
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and thus the bootloader entry adds the needed params for you.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not sure it would be a good idea to make any boot silently do the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> conversion.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> But you can have the new entry pointing to the non versionned symlinks
+</I>
+Yup, that would work I guess. Dunno why I didn't think of that :p
+
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+For many, many years, I've always done a umount -l  on stale NFS mounts
+(e.g. when resuming in a different location to suspending).
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+This has always worked, but very recently (i.e. in the last couple
+weeks) this has stopped working.
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+Anyone know what could be up?
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+Blino's change to nfs-utils doesn't look like a problem.
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+The call that's stalling things is stat(), but this never used to be a
+problem with lazy umounts in the past (not sure if it's just stat()
+that's now blocking at a kernel level or of some userspace code now
+calls it when in the past it did not?)
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+Col
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For many, many years, I've always done a umount -l  on stale NFS mounts
+</I>&gt;<i> (e.g. when resuming in a different location to suspending).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This has always worked, but very recently (i.e. in the last couple
+</I>&gt;<i> weeks) this has stopped working.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone know what could be up?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Blino's change to nfs-utils doesn't look like a problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The call that's stalling things is stat(), but this never used to be a
+</I>&gt;<i> problem with lazy umounts in the past (not sure if it's just stat()
+</I>&gt;<i> that's now blocking at a kernel level or of some userspace code now
+</I>&gt;<i> calls it when in the past it did not?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If your nfs mount is dead I would expect stat to hang, so I guess it wasn't
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+&gt;<i> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 05:20:09 AM Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 18.11.2012 13:30, Thierry Vignaud kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 18 November 2012 11:38, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Bug has been filed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=looping+forever">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=looping+forever</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Updating Cauldron is broken as of this morning -
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mainfox</A> rfox]# urpmi --auto-update -v
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> detecting looping forever while trying to resolve dependancies.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Aborting... Try again with '-vv --debug' options
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.16.2/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/URPM/Resol
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ve.pm line 1061. unlocking rpm database
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unlocking urpmi database
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It seems the loop threshold Resolve.pm:1061 is way too low and detects
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> looping when there in fact isn't any. I bumped it up by several orders
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of magnitude locally and then urpmi worked again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To what value did you bump it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To 100000, but that was just a random value since I mainly just wanted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the upgrade to work. I don't know what would be a reasonable value.
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you upgrade it on the server? if yes, this didn't solve the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No he didn't. Thierry, are you sure that your limit is correct? If
+100000 works then i don't see it as an endless loop. Current value seems
+to be too low and there are soon as many bugs about update problems than
+we have about broken draksnapshot.
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i>     The call that's stalling things is stat(), but this never used to be a
+</I>&gt;<i>     problem with lazy umounts in the past (not sure if it's just stat()
+</I>&gt;<i>     that's now blocking at a kernel level or of some userspace code now
+</I>&gt;<i>     calls it when in the past it did not?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If your nfs mount is dead I would expect stat to hang, so I guess it 
+</I>&gt;<i> wasn't called in the past.
+</I>Somebody bobbled, fix available.  See 
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+&gt;<i> 18.11.2012 17:09, Thomas Spuhler kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sunday, November 18, 2012 05:20:09 AM Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 18.11.2012 13:30, Thierry Vignaud kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; On 18 November 2012 11:38, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Bug has been filed:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=looping+forever">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=looping+forever</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Updating Cauldron is broken as of this morning -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mainfox</A> rfox]# urpmi --auto-update -v
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; detecting looping forever while trying to resolve dependancies.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Aborting... Try again with '-vv --debug' options
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.16.2/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/URPM/Resol
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ve.pm line 1061. unlocking rpm database
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; unlocking urpmi database
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; It seems the loop threshold Resolve.pm:1061 is way too low and detects
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; looping when there in fact isn't any. I bumped it up by several orders
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of magnitude locally and then urpmi worked again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; To what value did you bump it?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; To 100000, but that was just a random value since I mainly just wanted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the upgrade to work. I don't know what would be a reasonable value.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Did you upgrade it on the server? if yes, this didn't solve the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> No he didn't. Thierry, are you sure that your limit is correct? If
+</I>&gt;<i> 100000 works then i don't see it as an endless loop. Current value seems
+</I>&gt;<i> to be too low and there are soon as many bugs about update problems than
+</I>&gt;<i> we have about broken draksnapshot.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I changed the value to 10000 as well and it worked.  So it is definitely
+too low of a limit (1000) -
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+totem-3.6.3-2.mga3.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-1.0.2-2.mga3.i586)
+totem-mozilla-3.6.3-2.mga3.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+totem-3.6.3-2.mga3.i586)
+Continue installation anyway?
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+Since yesterday there seems to be a problem installing the Totem
+updates . . . Anyone else?
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+<PRE>On 18/11/12 15:28, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:15:13 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 18.11.2012 16:52, zezinho kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now to fix the mess:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       - create libqwt5 package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Done, but cannot submit it because a libqwt5 package already
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> exists. Any hint?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can't submit it because your main package (Name: libqwt5) and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> library package for i586 (%define libname %mklibname qwt %{major})
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have the same name. As main package contains no files i would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> probably rename it to qwt (Name %realname), but i'm not 100% sure if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that's the right thing to do. Packagers with more knowledge may have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> better ideas.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Renaming also affects to the src pkg name and IMHO it's not how it
+</I>&gt;<i> should be done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just remembered one similar case. Dunno if this helps, but look how it's
+</I>&gt;<i> made in libraw1394_8 pkg.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/libraw1394_8/current/SPECS/libraw1394_8.spec?revision=302617&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/libraw1394_8/current/SPECS/libraw1394_8.spec?revision=302617&amp;view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Oh dear :/
+
+After a (local) rebuild of gnuradio :-
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq --requires-recursive gnuradio | grep qwt
+lib64qwt5
+lib64qwt6
+python-qwt
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq --requires-recursive python-qwt | grep qwt
+lib64qwt5
+python-qwt
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq --whatrequires lib64qwt5
+lib64gnuradio-qtgui0
+lib64qwt5
+lib64qwt5-devel
+lib64smokeqwt3
+python-qwt
+qgis
+scidavis
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq --whatrequires lib64qwt6
+lib64gnuradio-qtgui0
+lib64gnuradio-qtgui0
+lib64qwt-devel
+lib64qwt6
+qloud
+
+Prior to rebuild:-
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq --requires-recursive gnuradio | grep qwt
+lib64qwt5
+python-qwt
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq --requires-recursive python-qwt | grep qwt
+lib64qwt5
+python-qwt
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq --whatrequires lib64qwt5
+lib64gnuradio-qtgui0
+lib64qwt5
+lib64qwt5-devel
+lib64smokeqwt3
+python-qwt
+qgis
+scidavis
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+Ping me when it's sorted out and I will rebuild python-qwt and gnuradio.
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+Barry Jackson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">zen25000 at zen.co.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 18/11/12 15:28, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:15:13 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 18.11.2012 16:52, zezinho kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Now to fix the mess:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;       - create libqwt5 package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Done, but cannot submit it because a libqwt5 package already
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; exists. Any hint?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; You can't submit it because your main package (Name: libqwt5) and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; library package for i586 (%define libname %mklibname qwt %{major})
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; have the same name. As main package contains no files i would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; probably rename it to qwt (Name %realname), but i'm not 100% sure
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; if that's the right thing to do. Packagers with more knowledge may
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; have better ideas.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Renaming also affects to the src pkg name and IMHO it's not how it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; should be done.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just remembered one similar case. Dunno if this helps, but look how
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it's made in libraw1394_8 pkg.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/libraw1394_8/current/SPECS/libraw1394_8.spec?revision=302617&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/libraw1394_8/current/SPECS/libraw1394_8.spec?revision=302617&amp;view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh dear :/
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> After a (local) rebuild of gnuradio :-
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq --requires-recursive gnuradio | grep qwt
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64qwt5
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64qwt6
+</I>&gt;<i> python-qwt
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq --requires-recursive python-qwt | grep qwt
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64qwt5
+</I>&gt;<i> python-qwt
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq --whatrequires lib64qwt5
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64gnuradio-qtgui0
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64qwt5
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64qwt5-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64smokeqwt3
+</I>&gt;<i> python-qwt
+</I>&gt;<i> qgis
+</I>&gt;<i> scidavis
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq --whatrequires lib64qwt6
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64gnuradio-qtgui0
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64gnuradio-qtgui0
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64qwt-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64qwt6
+</I>&gt;<i> qloud
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Prior to rebuild:-
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq --requires-recursive gnuradio | grep qwt
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64qwt5
+</I>&gt;<i> python-qwt
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq --requires-recursive python-qwt | grep qwt
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64qwt5
+</I>&gt;<i> python-qwt
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq --whatrequires lib64qwt5
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64gnuradio-qtgui0
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64qwt5
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64qwt5-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64smokeqwt3
+</I>&gt;<i> python-qwt
+</I>&gt;<i> qgis
+</I>&gt;<i> scidavis
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Ping me when it's sorted out and I will rebuild python-qwt and
+</I>&gt;<i> gnuradio.
+</I>
+It's all sorted out. Python-qwt is now build against the old libqwt5
+[1]. Maybe you should build gnuradio against the old one
+(libqwt5-devel) too..
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+&gt;<i> On 11/19/2012 08:55 AM, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     The call that's stalling things is stat(), but this never used to be a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     problem with lazy umounts in the past (not sure if it's just stat()
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     that's now blocking at a kernel level or of some userspace code now
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     calls it when in the past it did not?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If your nfs mount is dead I would expect stat to hang, so I guess it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wasn't called in the past. 
+</I>&gt;<i> Somebody bobbled, fix available.  See
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=866303">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=866303</A>
+</I>
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+Thanks Frank. I was going to ping kzak next anyway :)
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+&gt;<i> Name        : bind                         Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 9.9.2                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Fri Nov  9 21:43:15 2012
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+&gt;<i> guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 9.9.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 316758
+</I>&gt;<i> - sync with fedora spec, for easier maintainance:
+</I>&gt;<i>  the real files now live outside the chroot
+</I>
+It looks like this overwrote my /var/lib/named/etc/named.conf with a 
+default version so all zones were disabled. I had to restore the config 
+file from backup. Not sure how this happened, though.
+
+&gt;<i> - new version
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  + fwang &lt;fwang&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>    - update rpm group
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:57:21 +0000
+</I>&gt;<i> Barry Jackson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">zen25000 at zen.co.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Ping me when it's sorted out and I will rebuild python-qwt and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gnuradio.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's all sorted out. Python-qwt is now build against the old libqwt5
+</I>&gt;<i> [1]. Maybe you should build gnuradio against the old one
+</I>&gt;<i> (libqwt5-devel) too..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1]
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python-qwt/current/SPECS/python-qwt.spec?revision=319494&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python-qwt/current/SPECS/python-qwt.spec?revision=319494&amp;view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well there still seems to be something wrong.
+The gnuradio spec originally had:
+Buildrequires: libqwt-devel
+That now pulls in libqwt6, while python-qwt is using libqwt5.
+If I use:
+BuildRequires: libqwt5-devel in the spec, it builds OK, but rpmlint (run 
+on the srpm) says:
+
+  W: invalid-build-requires libqwt5-devel
+and
+$ urpmq --requires-recursive gnuradio | grep qwt
+lib64qwt5
+lib64qwt6
+python-qwt
+
+So it's requiring a mix of majors which does not look good :\
+
+If I remove the BuildRequire on libqwt the build fails as qwt is not 
+found during the CMake configure.
+
+Maybe someone can see something in the build log: 
+<A HREF="http://mtf.no-ip.co.uk/pub/linux/barjac/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/log/gnuradio-3.6.2-4.mga3.src.rpm/build.0.20121120000514.log">http://mtf.no-ip.co.uk/pub/linux/barjac/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/log/gnuradio-3.6.2-4.mga3.src.rpm/build.0.20121120000514.log</A>
+This is the deps -install log, and I see nothing libqwt6 related. 
+<A HREF="http://mtf.no-ip.co.uk/pub/linux/barjac/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/log/gnuradio-3.6.2-4.mga3.src.rpm/install_deps-1.0.20121120000514.log">http://mtf.no-ip.co.uk/pub/linux/barjac/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/log/gnuradio-3.6.2-4.mga3.src.rpm/install_deps-1.0.20121120000514.log</A>
+
+Those are both from a successful build with BuildRequires: libqwt5-devel 
+in the spec.
+
+It's late I'll sleep on it, been at this all day - gnuradio is a 
+looooong build :(
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+&gt;<i> Some requested packages cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> totem-3.6.3-2.mga3.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-1.0.2-2.mga3.i586)
+</I>&gt;<i> totem-mozilla-3.6.3-2.mga3.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> totem-3.6.3-2.mga3.i586)
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Since yesterday there seems to be a problem installing the Totem
+</I>&gt;<i> updates . . . Anyone else?
+</I>
+Totem is out of service on my Mageia 3 alpha 3.
+It cannot start: scaletempo is missing
+
+If we want a full usable distro out the box, VLC must be the default choice 
+for all videos and then Totem could be removed.
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+In Fedora the bundled documentation of mysql-workbench has been removed
+because it isn't distributed under a GPL license. However, according to
+this parte of the license, it seems that it can be distributed if it's
+distributed along with mysql-workbench:
+
+----------
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+This documentation is NOT distributed under a GPL license. Use of this
+documentation is subject to the following terms:
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+You may create a printed copy of this documentation solely for your own
+personal use. Conversion to other formats is allowed as long as the actual
+content is not altered or edited in any way. You shall not publish or
+distribute this documentation in any form or on any media, except if you
+distribute the documentation in a manner similar to how Oracle disseminates
+it (that is, electronically for download on a Web site with the software)
+or on a CD-ROM or similar medium, provided however that the documentation
+is disseminated together with the software on the same medium. Any other
+use, such as any dissemination of printed copies or use of this
+documentation, in whole or in part, in another publication, requires the
+prior written consent from an authorized representative of Oracle. Oracle
+and/or its affiliates reserve any and all rights to this documentation not
+expressly granted above.
+
+----------
+
+My interpretation is that even if it isn't GPL'd we can distribute it if
+it's bundled with mysql-workbench. Is this correct ? if not then I'll apply
+the patch form Fedora to remove it too.
+
+Cheers,
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+<A HREF="http://dev.mysql.com/doc/workbench/en/wb-preface.html">http://dev.mysql.com/doc/workbench/en/wb-preface.html</A>
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+On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In Fedora the bundled documentation of mysql-workbench has been removed
+</I>&gt;<i> because it isn't distributed under a GPL license. However, according to
+</I>&gt;<i> this parte of the license, it seems that it can be distributed if it's
+</I>&gt;<i> distributed along with mysql-workbench:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This documentation is NOT distributed under a GPL license. Use of this
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation is subject to the following terms:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You may create a printed copy of this documentation solely for your own
+</I>&gt;<i> personal use. Conversion to other formats is allowed as long as the actual
+</I>&gt;<i> content is not altered or edited in any way. You shall not publish or
+</I>&gt;<i> distribute this documentation in any form or on any media, except if you
+</I>&gt;<i> distribute the documentation in a manner similar to how Oracle disseminates
+</I>&gt;<i> it (that is, electronically for download on a Web site with the software)
+</I>&gt;<i> or on a CD-ROM or similar medium, provided however that the documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> is disseminated together with the software on the same medium. Any other
+</I>&gt;<i> use, such as any dissemination of printed copies or use of this
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation, in whole or in part, in another publication, requires the
+</I>&gt;<i> prior written consent from an authorized representative of Oracle. Oracle
+</I>&gt;<i> and/or its affiliates reserve any and all rights to this documentation not
+</I>&gt;<i> expressly granted above.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My interpretation is that even if it isn't GPL'd we can distribute it if
+</I>&gt;<i> it's bundled with mysql-workbench. Is this correct ? if not then I'll apply
+</I>&gt;<i> the patch form Fedora to remove it too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Juancho
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>In the last day, a simple typo have sendt my MGA2 desktop system so sleep. (The Sleep key is right next to the F12 key. I use F12 extensively.)
+When it wakes up, there is NO network (ethernet) of any kind. Nothing!
+ifconfig lists eth0 as having the correct static IP, &#171;route -n&#187; shows my router as the default gw.
+
+I have tried restarting the network using &#171;service network restart&#187;, &#171;ifdown eth0, ifup eth0&#187;. Nothing works.
+I have to reboot to get network.
+
+Does anyone else see this?
+
+
+How can I DISABLE the sleep key?
+Would this work? <A HREF="http://askubuntu.com/questions/28328/how-can-i-disable-hibernate-completely-in-kubuntu#28924">http://askubuntu.com/questions/28328/how-can-i-disable-hibernate-completely-in-kubuntu#28924</A>
+		(One of the comments improved the &#171;answer&#187; with this: <A HREF="https://launchpadlibrarian.net/58100042/00_avoid_suspend">https://launchpadlibrarian.net/58100042/00_avoid_suspend</A>)
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+<PRE>Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Ooops forgot to put the link from where the licence comes from:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://dev.mysql.com/doc/workbench/en/wb-preface.html">http://dev.mysql.com/doc/workbench/en/wb-preface.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     In Fedora the bundled documentation of mysql-workbench has been
+</I>&gt;<i>     removed because it isn't distributed under a GPL license. However,
+</I>&gt;<i>     according to this parte of the license, it seems that it can be
+</I>&gt;<i>     distributed if it's distributed along with mysql-workbench:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     ----------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     This documentation is NOT distributed under a GPL license. Use of
+</I>&gt;<i>     this documentation is subject to the following terms:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     You may create a printed copy of this documentation solely for your
+</I>&gt;<i>     own personal use. Conversion to other formats is allowed as long as
+</I>&gt;<i>     the actual content is not altered or edited in any way. You shall
+</I>&gt;<i>     not publish or distribute this documentation in any form or on any
+</I>&gt;<i>     media, except if you distribute the documentation in a manner
+</I>&gt;<i>     similar to how Oracle disseminates it (that is, electronically for
+</I>&gt;<i>     download on a Web site with the software) or on a CD-ROM or similar
+</I>&gt;<i>     medium, provided however that the documentation is disseminated
+</I>&gt;<i>     together with the software on the same medium. Any other use, such
+</I>&gt;<i>     as any dissemination of printed copies or use of this documentation,
+</I>&gt;<i>     in whole or in part, in another publication, requires the prior
+</I>&gt;<i>     written consent from an authorized representative of Oracle. Oracle
+</I>&gt;<i>     and/or its affiliates reserve any and all rights to this
+</I>&gt;<i>     documentation not expressly granted above.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     ----------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     My interpretation is that even if it isn't GPL'd we can distribute
+</I>&gt;<i>     it if it's bundled with mysql-workbench. Is this correct ? if not
+</I>&gt;<i>     then I'll apply the patch form Fedora to remove it too.
+</I>
+Mysql workbench is under GPL2.
+If I understand GPL correctly, we could include the documentation 
+(nonfree in part since it prohibits modification) in the same package as 
+mysql-workbench (which must then be nonfree) as long as the GPL 
+copyright owners agree.
+Oracle concurs, but 3rd-parties, if any, might not.
+
+An alternate approach would be to package and distribute the 
+documentation separately (as nonfree).  Oracle permits this as long as 
+it is only available on the same media or sites as mysql-workbench -- 
+which concurs with our current practices.
+Then the mysql-workbench package itself would still be GPL.
+
+So I'd go for the second option.
+Maybe adding a comment in the mysql-workbench description indicating 
+that due to licensing restrictions, the documentation is available in 
+non-free.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>     --
+</I>&gt;<i>     Juancho
+</I>
+My 2 cents :)
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+Andr&#233;
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Primary developed by Vladislav Navrocky (=XaoC=vlad.ru), =XaoC= and Loaded Arms Russian clans members.
+</I>&gt;<i> This program uses Qt4, written in C++ and can be run on windows, unix or mac.
+</I>
+description != AUTHORS file.
+Please fix
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+&gt;<i> juancho &lt;juancho&gt; 0.9.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 319678
+</I>&gt;<i> - Updated to 0.9.0
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+<PRE>19.11.2012 20:08, Robert Fox kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 16:57 +0200, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 18.11.2012 17:09, Thomas Spuhler kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 05:20:09 AM Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 18.11.2012 13:30, Thierry Vignaud kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 18 November 2012 11:38, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Bug has been filed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=looping+forever">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=looping+forever</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Updating Cauldron is broken as of this morning -
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mainfox</A> rfox]# urpmi --auto-update -v
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> detecting looping forever while trying to resolve dependancies.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Aborting... Try again with '-vv --debug' options
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.16.2/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/URPM/Resol
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ve.pm line 1061. unlocking rpm database
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unlocking urpmi database
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It seems the loop threshold Resolve.pm:1061 is way too low and detects
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> looping when there in fact isn't any. I bumped it up by several orders
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of magnitude locally and then urpmi worked again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To what value did you bump it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To 100000, but that was just a random value since I mainly just wanted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the upgrade to work. I don't know what would be a reasonable value.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Did you upgrade it on the server? if yes, this didn't solve the problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No he didn't. Thierry, are you sure that your limit is correct? If
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 100000 works then i don't see it as an endless loop. Current value seems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to be too low and there are soon as many bugs about update problems than
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we have about broken draksnapshot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I changed the value to 10000 as well and it worked.  So it is definitely
+</I>&gt;<i> too low of a limit (1000) -
+</I>
+As another random datapoint, I just tested (--test) upgrading one of my
+mga2 boxes to cauldron, and the count was 8213 there. The loop took
+approx. 3 seconds to execute, so we could probably make the value e.g.
+50000 or 100000?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 19/11/12 18:21 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Some requested packages cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> totem-3.6.3-2.mga3.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-1.0.2-2.mga3.i586)
+</I>&gt;<i> totem-mozilla-3.6.3-2.mga3.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> totem-3.6.3-2.mga3.i586)
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Since yesterday there seems to be a problem installing the Totem
+</I>&gt;<i> updates . . . Anyone else?
+</I>
+Yes, see the previous thread about this issue.
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+Col
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+&gt;<i> sorry folks but can someone let whoever know that handles the mirror
+</I>&gt;<i> updating/syncing that mirror.aarnet.edu.au/mageia (with a few others) had a
+</I>&gt;<i> major drive corruption/destruction about a week or so, and 'quite a bit' of
+</I>&gt;<i> it has not yet been replaced ie it is no longer there or doesn't work. I did
+</I>&gt;<i> email someone through the forum who I thought was a moderator, but nothing
+</I>&gt;<i> has happened so i'm taking this thread path as I do know it will be attended
+</I>&gt;<i> to!
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+</I>&gt;<i> And I wouldn't exactly trust what is still there anyway! Best may be to
+</I>&gt;<i> start a rsync with hash checking or just do everything, it may be quicker.
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+When you open this link <A HREF="http://mirror.aarnet.edu">http://mirror.aarnet.edu</A> in http mode you will
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi there
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+As some of you may have followed this on council meetings, we have 
+signed a contract with Duckduckgo, the search engine. They will give us 
+25% of the monthly gross revenue generated from user traffic that 
+originates from the company links within each of the Partner Properties.
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+What we need to do is provides updates on browsers for cauldron and 
+Mageia 2 including this:
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+<A HREF="https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search</A>}}&amp;t=mageia
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+Browsers maintainers, can you please have a look ?
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+Cheers
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+-- 
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As some of you may have followed this on council meetings, we have signed a
+</I>&gt;<i> contract with Duckduckgo, the search engine. They will give us 25% of the
+</I>&gt;<i> monthly gross revenue generated from user traffic that originates from the
+</I>&gt;<i> company links within each of the Partner Properties.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What we need to do is provides updates on browsers for cauldron and Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;<i> including this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search</A>}}&amp;t=mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Browsers maintainers, can you please have a look ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
+</I>
+Hi,
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+i will take care of firefox and chromium
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+    <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B> 
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+<PRE>2012/11/20 Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As some of you may have followed this on council meetings, we have signed
+</I>&gt;<i> a contract with Duckduckgo, the search engine. They will give us 25% of the
+</I>&gt;<i> monthly gross revenue generated from user traffic that originates from the
+</I>&gt;<i> company links within each of the Partner Properties.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What we need to do is provides updates on browsers for cauldron and Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 including this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{**search">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{**search</A>}}&amp;t=mageia&lt;<A HREF="https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%7B%7Bsearch%7D%7D&amp;t=mageia">https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%7B%7Bsearch%7D%7D&amp;t=mageia</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Browsers maintainers, can you please have a look ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'd like to inform for a problem in konqueror:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307851">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307851</A>
+which is the reason i don't use the duckduckgo search engine
+
+-- 
+Dimitrios Glentadakis
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As some of you may have followed this on council meetings, we have signed a
+</I>&gt;<i> contract with Duckduckgo, the search engine. They will give us 25% of the
+</I>&gt;<i> monthly gross revenue generated from user traffic that originates from the
+</I>&gt;<i> company links within each of the Partner Properties.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What we need to do is provides updates on browsers for cauldron and Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;<i> including this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search</A>}}&amp;t=mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This link only lists other search systems. To get results about Mageia
+the link is:
+
+<A HREF="https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search</A>}}mageia
+
+Additionally: as Dimitrios already pointed out, search result links do
+not work in Konqueror (just tried, confirmed).
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> In the last day, a simple typo have sendt my MGA2 desktop system so sleep. (The Sleep key is right next to the F12 key. I use F12 extensively.)
+</I>&gt;<i> When it wakes up, there is NO network (ethernet) of any kind. Nothing!
+</I>Assuming you're using KDE, KDE Power Management has been AFU for months 
+now.
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+Originally, the problem was that if you disabled all use of 
+sleep/hibernate, dpms would get turned on with a random (usually short) 
+timeout, and the display would randomly (and often) go dark.
+
+This never got fixed, but new PM bugs have surfaced.  What I notice 
+currently is that PM has lost the ability to distinguish 
+AC/Battery/LowBattery.  I was seeing the display dim when on AC, even 
+though dimming was shut off for AC.  On a guess, I shut off dimming for 
+Battery, and the display brightened again.  After a while, it dimmed 
+again, so I shut dimming off for LowBattery, and it brightened up again 
+and hasn't dimmed since.
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+and see if your symptom disappears.
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+<PRE>Le 20/11/2012 13:21, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2012/11/20 Anne Nicolas&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As some of you may have followed this on council meetings, we have signed a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contract with Duckduckgo, the search engine. They will give us 25% of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> monthly gross revenue generated from user traffic that originates from the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> company links within each of the Partner Properties.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What we need to do is provides updates on browsers for cauldron and Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> including this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search</A>}}&amp;t=mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This link only lists other search systems. To get results about Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> the link is:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search</A>}}mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Additionally: as Dimitrios already pointed out, search result links do
+</I>&gt;<i> not work in Konqueror (just tried, confirmed).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is the link they gave us. You can ping them to correct it if needed.
+
+-- 
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 2012/11/20 Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As some of you may have followed this on council meetings, we have
+</I>&gt;<i> signed a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; contract with Duckduckgo, the search engine. They will give us 25% of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; monthly gross revenue generated from user traffic that originates from
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; company links within each of the Partner Properties.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What we need to do is provides updates on browsers for cauldron and
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; including this:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search</A>}}&amp;t=mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This link only lists other search systems. To get results about Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> the link is:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search</A>}}mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Additionally: as Dimitrios already pointed out, search result links do
+</I>&gt;<i> not work in Konqueror (just tried, confirmed).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think the point is to replace {{search}} with the query you want and
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> So, my advice would be to disable Sleep/Hibernate on all power settings 
+</I>&gt;<i> and see if your symptom disappears.
+</I>
+I have disabled it everywhere I can think of.
+It is the first thing I check after install.
+
+Note: This is Not the automatic sleep/hibernation after X min of inactivity.
+This is hibernation by accidently pressing the &#171;SLEEP&#187; key on a keyboard.
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+<PRE>2012/11/20 Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/11/20 Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; As some of you may have followed this on council meetings, we have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; signed a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; contract with Duckduckgo, the search engine. They will give us 25% of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; monthly gross revenue generated from user traffic that originates from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; company links within each of the Partner Properties.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; What we need to do is provides updates on browsers for cauldron and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; including this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search</A>}}&amp;t=mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This link only lists other search systems. To get results about Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the link is:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search</A>}}mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Additionally: as Dimitrios already pointed out, search result links do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not work in Konqueror (just tried, confirmed).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the point is to replace {{search}} with the query you want and
+</I>&gt;<i> assign the search to mageia, not to search about mageia
+</I>
+Ah, that may be.
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+<PRE>On 11/20/2012 07:32 AM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+&gt;<i> Note: This is Not the automatic sleep/hibernation after X min of 
+</I>&gt;<i> inactivity. This is hibernation by accidently pressing the &#171;SLEEP&#187; key 
+</I>&gt;<i> on a keyboard. 
+</I>Ah, didn't realize that you wanted to disable the Sleep capability even 
+when explicitly requested.  Remap the key ?
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+    <B>Barry Jackson</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 11/20/2012 07:32 AM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note: This is Not the automatic sleep/hibernation after X min of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> inactivity. This is hibernation by accidently pressing the &#171;SLEEP&#187; key
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on a keyboard.
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah, didn't realize that you wanted to disable the Sleep capability even
+</I>&gt;<i> when explicitly requested.  Remap the key ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Johnny,
+What's the output of
+# systemctl status network.service ?
+Does it show as disabled?
+If so try:
+# systemctl enable network.service &amp;&amp; systemctl start network.service
+otherwise
+# systemctl start network.service
+should start it.
+
+If all that fails then you may see some clues in the short log attached 
+to the status.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I changed the value to 10000 as well and it worked.  So it is definitely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> too low of a limit (1000) -
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As another random datapoint, I just tested (--test) upgrading one of my
+</I>&gt;<i> mga2 boxes to cauldron, and the count was 8213 there. The loop took
+</I>&gt;<i> approx. 3 seconds to execute, so we could probably make the value e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> 50000 or 100000?
+</I>
+or better detect that are doing exactly the same thing as in the previous
+iteration with no change.
+I've two environment cases for that
+- a mirror having synced while primary mirror was being updated,
+  thus having bits of two different gtk+ version
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20What%20the%20hell%20is%20wrong%20with%20MGA2s%0A%09suspend/sleep/hibernate%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C50AB8E35.7090809%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 20/11/12 12:47 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 11/20/2012 07:32 AM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note: This is Not the automatic sleep/hibernation after X min of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> inactivity. This is hibernation by accidently pressing the &#171;SLEEP&#187; key
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on a keyboard. 
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah, didn't realize that you wanted to disable the Sleep capability even
+</I>&gt;<i> when explicitly requested.  Remap the key ?
+</I>
+Not sure if remapping the key would work.
+
+Ultimately things are slowly moving over the systemd where the
+systemd-inhibit command is your friend.
+
+Ultimately, systemd will handle the sleep key in MGA3 (I know not the
+subject of this mail, but this is cauldron so saying for the sake of
+history). It will be up to the DE's to inhibit this handling if they
+want to do it themselves (via a very simple dbus protocol)
+
+This way we can handle things at the low level before anyone has logged
+in (e.g. by handling lid switch even when you're at a tty) and then we
+can easily allow the DE to inhibit this handling if required (e.g. if
+there is a second monitor plugged in, the DE may want to inhibit
+lid-switch handling to allow you to close your lappy.
+
+
+Anyway with this in mind, there is an easy way to inhibit suspend key
+handling at the systemd level, but if a DE has already inhibited this
+and then implements it's own handling you'll need  a way to disable that
+too.
+
+So all in all I think even with an improved base layer, this will still
+be a slightly tricky issue to solve.
+
+I'd just go for the superglue fix instead :p
+
+Col
+
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> What's the output of
+</I>&gt;<i> # systemctl status network.service ?
+</I>
+I tested just a few minutes ago:
+<A HREF="http://www.solbu.net/mageia-pm/resume-failure.txt">http://www.solbu.net/mageia-pm/resume-failure.txt</A>
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+&gt;<i> Does it show as disabled?
+</I>
+No.
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+&gt;<i> # systemctl start network.service
+</I>&gt;<i> should start it.
+</I>
+Did not help. I even tried &#171;restart&#187;, to no avail.
+A ping to my gw gave network unreachable.
+And again &#171;ifconfig&#187; and &#171;route -n&#187; was normal.
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+The only fix seems to be a complete reboot.
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+    <B>Robert Fox</B> 
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+<PRE>I noticed in Gnome is a possibility to start a WiFi hotspot (in 
+conjunction with another Internet access like Ethernet) - Couldn't seem 
+to get it to work - and not sure if KDE has this - Ideally it would be 
+great to have it in the MCC tools under networking to configure it 
+easily . . . maybe for Mageia 4 . . . .
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+I have a Lenovo Thinkpad X220 with UMTS 3G module, as well as normal 
+Ethernet and Wireless - so this would be welcome (ps: Under Windows is a 
+Thinkpad software feature for this purpose)
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 20/11/12 14:54 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 20. November 2012 14.29, Barry Jackson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What's the output of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # systemctl status network.service ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I tested just a few minutes ago:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.solbu.net/mageia-pm/resume-failure.txt">http://www.solbu.net/mageia-pm/resume-failure.txt</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Does it show as disabled?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> No.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # systemctl start network.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should start it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Did not help. I even tried &#171;restart&#187;, to no avail.
+</I>&gt;<i> A ping to my gw gave network unreachable.
+</I>&gt;<i> And again &#171;ifconfig&#187; and &#171;route -n&#187; was normal.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The only fix seems to be a complete reboot.
+</I>
+Does &quot;ifdown eth0; ifup eth0&quot; help or is the device managed by Network
+Manager? (in which case ifdown+ifup should be noops).
+
+If there is no NM interferance does a stop of the network, removal of
+the eth driver kernel module + a modprobe + a start of the network help?
+
+I had to do this on my wifi card a at various points when the kernel
+support wavered. Maybe that's the same problem for you?
+
+If this is the case, you can maybe try a newer kernel. I know Thomas was
+going to push 3.4 to mga2 at some point.
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
+
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+colin(at)mageia.org
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 20. November 2012 16.46, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> Does &quot;ifdown eth0; ifup eth0&quot; help 
+</I>
+As I stated in the original post, it does not.
+
+&gt;<i> or is the device managed by Network
+</I>&gt;<i> Manager? (in which case ifdown+ifup should be noops).
+</I>
+Uhm, how do I tell?
+This is a standard installation, where I configured the interface to have static IP, and all that, at the end of the install process.
+Meaning, whatever the default manager is, is managing the card. And it is always up.
+
+&gt;<i> If there is no NM interferance does a stop of the network, removal of
+</I>&gt;<i> the eth driver kernel module + a modprobe + a start of the network help?
+</I>
+I'm not doing any more testing on this computer today, as this particular computer is a &#171;production&#187; system.
+I'll see if I can reproduce it on one of the laptops here.
+
+&gt;<i> I had to do this on my wifi card a at various points when the kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> support wavered. Maybe that's the same problem for you?
+</I>
+I have no idea. This is a desktop with a good old fasioned ethernet card and no wifi cards.
+Wifi is banned from my network. :-)=
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+&gt;<i> I'm not doing any more testing on this computer today, as this particular computer is a &#171;production&#187; system.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll see if I can reproduce it on one of the laptops here.
+</I>
+Ok, I tested on another desktop and a laptop, and the network is working after waking up.
+I've also discovered by trial and error that the issue I have is with &#171;suspend to ram&#187;.
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+So now the question becomes, how do I completely disable &#171;suspend to ram/disk&#187; on this one computer? (I.e. activating suspend/hibernation should fail.)
+It is a desktop and a file server, so it doesn't need hibernaton features.
+The only times I ever turn it off, is for power outages lasting more that 2 minutes, when my UPSes starts to complain. ;-)=
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 20. November 2012 17.00, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not doing any more testing on this computer today, as this particular computer is a &#171;production&#187; system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll see if I can reproduce it on one of the laptops here.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, I tested on another desktop and a laptop, and the network is working after waking up.
+</I>&gt;<i> I've also discovered by trial and error that the issue I have is with &#171;suspend to ram&#187;.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So now the question becomes, how do I completely disable &#171;suspend to ram/disk&#187; on this one computer? (I.e. activating suspend/hibernation should fail.)
+</I>&gt;<i> It is a desktop and a file server, so it doesn't need hibernaton features.
+</I>&gt;<i> The only times I ever turn it off, is for power outages lasting more that 2 minutes, when my UPSes starts to complain. ;-)=
+</I>
+A lot of BIOSes allow you to tweak it and pick the suspend type
+(sometimes you need to hit e.g. ctrl+f10 or whatever the magic command
+is to enable the hidden features).
+
+Failing that, perhaps something as simple as &quot;sudo chmod a-w
+/sys/power/state&quot; would work (there are likely other nicer ways to do
+it, just thinking with my &quot;hacker&quot; hat on).
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+&quot;The goal is to be able to install libfoo1 and libfoo2 on the same system. &quot;
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at jackodesktop</A> baz]# urpmi lib64qwt6
+installing lib64qwt6-6.0.1-4.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+Preparing... 
+##########################################################################################
+Installation failed:    file 
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+of lib64qwt6-6.0.1-4.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package 
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+&gt;<i> Also, to quote library policy:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;The goal is to be able to install libfoo1 and libfoo2 on the same system. &quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at jackodesktop</A> baz]# urpmi lib64qwt6
+</I>&gt;<i> installing lib64qwt6-6.0.1-4.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;<i> ############################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> ############## Installation failed:    file
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+</I>&gt;<i> of lib64qwt6-6.0.1-4.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64qwt5-5.2.2-4.mga3.x86_64
+</I>
+because those files have nothing to do in a versionned libs. =&gt; Packaging 
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+&gt;&gt;<i> guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 9.9.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 316758
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - sync with fedora spec, for easier maintainance:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  the real files now live outside the chroot
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like this overwrote my /var/lib/named/etc/named.conf with a
+</I>&gt;<i> default version so all zones were disabled. I had to restore the config
+</I>&gt;<i> file from backup. Not sure how this happened, though.
+</I>The real file should have been moved to /etc/named.conf, whereas it was 
+previously just a symlink. As it happens during %pre stage, tough, I'm 
+not sure it will prevent overrun by default configuration files, indeed. 
+If that's the case, I should rather use a versioned trigger to handle 
+this change.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> or is the device managed by Network
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Manager? (in which case ifdown+ifup should be noops).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Uhm, how do I tell?
+</I>Check NM_CONTROLLED variable in 
+/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-&lt;iface&gt;  file. The default value is 
+false.
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+Otherwise, BOFH-style test: systemctl stop NetworkManager.service :)
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 20 novembre 2012 17:13:14 Barry Jackson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also, to quote library policy:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;The goal is to be able to install libfoo1 and libfoo2 on the same system.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at jackodesktop</A> baz]# urpmi lib64qwt6
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installing lib64qwt6-6.0.1-4.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ############################################################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ############## Installation failed:    file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/qt4/plugins/designer/libqwt_designer_plugin.so from install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of lib64qwt6-6.0.1-4.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64qwt5-5.2.2-4.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> because those files have nothing to do in a versionned libs. =&gt; Packaging
+</I>&gt;<i> errors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi - thanks.
+
+Ah, so are you saying that file should be in maybe a qwt-designer-plugin 
+package?
+
+Also I don't see how libqwt (6) and libqwt5 can be maintained from one 
+spec. How can an update be made to libqwt5 now that the spec is modified 
+for 6 ?
+
+This is not my package and I really don't have time for all this hassle. 
+This change has broken several packages all of which were previously 
+working.
+
+Can this mess be reverted and started again with some prior planning and 
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+</I>&gt;<i> Also I don't see how libqwt (6) and libqwt5 can be maintained from one
+</I>&gt;<i> spec. How can an update be made to libqwt5 now that the spec is modified
+</I>&gt;<i> for 6 ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Doh! - OK there are now two srpms - hadn't looked.
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+<PRE>Le 20/11/2012 12:12, Anne Nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> What we need to do is provides updates on browsers for cauldron and
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 2 including this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search</A>}}&amp;t=mageia
+</I>I'm quite concerned that while we usually limit update to security 
+issues and serious bugfixes only, this one would be only motivated by 
+commercial purposes, which would constitute an unfortunate policy change...
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+So, unless really needed for contractual reasons, or if this is really 
+garantished to result in a huge cash income, I'd prefer this change to 
+be limited to cauldron (and mageia 3) only.
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Our meeting will take place at 20h UTC. Here are the proposed topics
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - quick review for Mageia 1 EOL
+</I>&gt;<i> - Duckduckgo integration
+</I>&gt;<i> - Coming Beta 1 release
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please propose any other topic if needed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>
+Sorry last minute emergency. I will not able to make it unless 
+guillomovitch can be there.
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+Sorry again
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+-- 
+Anne
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+&gt;<i> Sorry last minute emergency. I will not able to make it unless
+</I>&gt;<i> guillomovitch can be there.
+</I>/me tries to hide...
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+Ok, I'll try to handle it, with limited knowledge of the scheduled 
+topics... See you in 2 minutes on IRC.
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #143:
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+&gt;<i> I noticed in Gnome is a possibility to start a WiFi hotspot (in
+</I>&gt;<i> conjunction with another Internet access like Ethernet) - Couldn't seem
+</I>&gt;<i> to get it to work - and not sure if KDE has this - Ideally it would be
+</I>&gt;<i> great to have it in the MCC tools under networking to configure it
+</I>&gt;<i> easily . . . maybe for Mageia 4 . . . .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+MCC already has share internet connection, but it only works the other 
+way round (Wifi Internet shared on ethernet) because the main problem is 
+configuring the WiFi driver to Access Point mode.
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 20 novembre 2012 17:13:14 Barry Jackson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also, to quote library policy:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;The goal is to be able to install libfoo1 and libfoo2 on the same system.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at jackodesktop</A> baz]# urpmi lib64qwt6
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installing lib64qwt6-6.0.1-4.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ############################################################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ############## Installation failed:    file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/qt4/plugins/designer/libqwt_designer_plugin.so from install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of lib64qwt6-6.0.1-4.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64qwt5-5.2.2-4.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> because those files have nothing to do in a versionned libs. =&gt;  Packaging
+</I>&gt;<i> errors.
+</I>
+Where should they be? For now, I have removed this file from libqwt5 to 
+allow installing both in the same system.
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+Following my proposal to fix and unify default paths after UsrMove
+  <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-November/019931.html">http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-November/019931.html</A>
+I pushed in cauldron core/updates_testing shadows-utils-4.1.5.1-2 and 
+util-linux-2.22.1-7 using these default paths:
+  PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin for normal user,
+  PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin for root.
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+Please test these new packages.
+Any comments and suggestions are welcome.
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+Regards,
+Luc
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+<PRE>Le 20/11/2012 15:04, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;<i>     319742
+</I>&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;<i>     dmorgan
+</I>&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;<i>     2012-11-20 15:04:27 +0100 (Tue, 20 Nov 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>       Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> New version 17.0
+</I>
+[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst	2012-11-20 14:03:42 UTC (rev 319741)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst	2012-11-20 14:04:27 UTC (rev 319742)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1 +1,2 @@
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/firefox/current/SPECS/firefox.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- cauldron/firefox/current/SPECS/firefox.spec	2012-11-20 14:03:42 UTC (rev 319741)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/firefox/current/SPECS/firefox.spec	2012-11-20 14:04:27 UTC (rev 319742)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -10,7 +10,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>   # Stay on ESR for stable releases and for cauldron before mageia 3.
+</I>&gt;<i>   # /!\ Do not update more than FF 17 for mga3. /!\
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -%define major 16.0.2
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define major 17.0
+</I>
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+<A HREF="http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq">http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq</A>
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+Shouldn't we move now to the ESR branch for firefox and thunderbird, and 
+use 17.0.x ESR versions in cauldron until mga3 release ?
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+Regards,
+Luc
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+    <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Following my proposal to fix and unify default paths after UsrMove
+</I>&gt;<i>   <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-November/019931.html">http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-November/019931.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I pushed in cauldron core/updates_testing shadows-utils-4.1.5.1-2 and util-linux-2.22.1-7 using these default paths:
+</I>&gt;<i>   PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin for normal user,
+</I>&gt;<i>   PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin for root.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Mmmm, this is a discussion I always had with my sysadmin at work...
+Do you really want that a binary in local can oerride one in system ?
+Should not local paths be after system ones ?
+
+&gt;<i> Please test these new packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> Any comments and suggestions are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Luc
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> On 11/20/2012 11:43 PM, Luc Menut wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Following my proposal to fix and unify default paths after UsrMove
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-November/019931.html">http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-November/019931.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I pushed in cauldron core/updates_testing shadows-utils-4.1.5.1-2 and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> util-linux-2.22.1-7 using these default paths:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin for normal user,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin for root.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Mmmm, this is a discussion I always had with my sysadmin at work...
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you really want that a binary in local can oerride one in system ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Should not local paths be after system ones ?
+</I>
+
+While I personally tend to just make updated packages, one of the
+reasons I thought people used /usr/local was to install newer/patched
+versions of system provided binaries... thus what would be the point in
+favouring the system paths over the local paths?
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin for normal user,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin for root.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mmmm, this is a discussion I always had with my sysadmin at work...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you really want that a binary in local can oerride one in system ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Should not local paths be after system ones ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While I personally tend to just make updated packages, one of the
+</I>&gt;<i> reasons I thought people used /usr/local was to install newer/patched
+</I>&gt;<i> versions of system provided binaries... thus what would be the point in
+</I>&gt;<i> favouring the system paths over the local paths?
+</I>
+OS (aka distro) stuff vs manually installed stuff (auto* defaulting to
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+2012/11/21 Luc Menut &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lmenut at free.fr</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Le 20/11/2012 15:04, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     319742
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     dmorgan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     2012-11-20 15:04:27 +0100 (Tue, 20 Nov 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> New version 17.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/firefox/current/**SOURCES/sha1.lst
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ==============================**==============================**=======
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- cauldron/firefox/current/**SOURCES/sha1.lst   2012-11-20 14:03:42
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> UTC (rev 319741)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/firefox/current/**SOURCES/sha1.lst   2012-11-20 14:04:27
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> UTC (rev 319742)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -1 +1,2 @@
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  firefox-16.0.2.source.tar.bz2
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/firefox/current/**SPECS/firefox.spec
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- cauldron/firefox/current/**SPECS/firefox.spec 2012-11-20 14:03:42
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> UTC (rev 319741)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/firefox/current/**SPECS/firefox.spec 2012-11-20 14:04:27
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> UTC (rev 319742)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -10,7 +10,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   # Stay on ESR for stable releases and for cauldron before mageia 3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   # /!\ Do not update more than FF 17 for mga3. /!\
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -%define major 16.0.2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%define major 17.0
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/**firefox/organizations/faq&lt;http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq">http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/**firefox/organizations/faq&lt;http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shouldn't we move now to the ESR branch for firefox and thunderbird, and
+</I>&gt;<i> use 17.0.x ESR versions in cauldron until mga3 release ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Luc
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+    <B>Thomas Spuhler</B> 
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+<PRE>I am for moving to the ESR
+
+Sent from my Motorola ATRIX&#8482; 4G on AT&amp;T
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+-----Original message-----
+From: Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Wed, Nov 21, 2012 02:36:00 GMT+00:00
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Firefox and Thunderbird ESR for Mga 3 ?
+
+I guess yes. There won't be 24.0esr before mga3.
+
+
+2012/11/21 Luc Menut &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lmenut at free.fr</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Le 20/11/2012 15:04, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     319742
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     dmorgan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     2012-11-20 15:04:27 +0100 (Tue, 20 Nov 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> New version 17.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/firefox/current/**SOURCES/sha1.lst
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ==============================**==============================**=======
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- cauldron/firefox/current/**SOURCES/sha1.lst   2012-11-20 14:03:42
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> UTC (rev 319741)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/firefox/current/**SOURCES/sha1.lst   2012-11-20 14:04:27
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> UTC (rev 319742)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -1 +1,2 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   0ffe96896583e92561b341330ab09d**dc50140dd1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  firefox-16.0.2.source.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +**4f5f175c1662d67f70e78403607d8e**da600efd8b
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  firefox-17.0.source.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/firefox/current/**SPECS/firefox.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ==============================**==============================**=======
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- cauldron/firefox/current/**SPECS/firefox.spec 2012-11-20 14:03:42
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> UTC (rev 319741)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/firefox/current/**SPECS/firefox.spec 2012-11-20 14:04:27
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> UTC (rev 319742)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -10,7 +10,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   # Stay on ESR for stable releases and for
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+&gt;<i> An alternate approach would be to package and distribute the documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> separately (as nonfree).  Oracle permits this as long as it is only
+</I>&gt;<i> available on the same media or sites as mysql-workbench -- which concurs
+</I>&gt;<i> with our current practices.
+</I>&gt;<i> Then the mysql-workbench package itself would still be GPL.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I'd go for the second option.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe adding a comment in the mysql-workbench description indicating that
+</I>&gt;<i> due to licensing restrictions, the documentation is available in non-free.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ok but a adding a Suggest to mysql-workbench for the documentation would be
+ok ?
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+<PRE>On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:54 AM, andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> An alternate approach would be to package and distribute the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> documentation separately (as nonfree).  Oracle permits this as long as it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is only available on the same media or sites as mysql-workbench -- which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> concurs with our current practices.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then the mysql-workbench package itself would still be GPL.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I'd go for the second option.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe adding a comment in the mysql-workbench description indicating that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> due to licensing restrictions, the documentation is available in non-free.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Giving it a second thought, I think this isn't a good idea because if I
+split the documentation into a separate package that would mean that I
+would need to have mysql-workbench sources also in the documentation
+package to be able to build it. And looking more closely at the Fedora
+patch, they remove the documentation but patch the program to open the
+online version of the documentation. IMO, if we can't include the doc in
+the same mysql-workbench package then the online approach is better.
+
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 20. November 2012 19.15, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Check NM_CONTROLLED variable in 
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-&lt;iface&gt;  file. The default value is 
+</I>&gt;<i> false.
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+grep NM_CONTROLLED /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 
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+I also checked on the other two computers I tested (say system2 and 3) where the wake up/resume worked,
+and on the laptop (system2) the variable is missing, and on the desktop (system3) it's the same as the desktop (system1) with the problem.
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+    <B>David W. Hodgins</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Mmmm, this is a discussion I always had with my sysadmin at work...
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you really want that a binary in local can oerride one in system ?
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+    <B>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n</B> 
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+Is it possible to reintroduce gnubiff in Mageia 3. All mail checkers (in
+mga 2) depend on a wm. In kde they don't check
+the mail spooler, only kmail, gmail, thunderbird etc. Gnubiff is
+more versatile.
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+If I am wrong excuse me ;-) (but tell me which mail checker is running
+under every wm and able to check /var/spool/mail or
+$HOME/xxxx in a mbox format).
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+Anyway  thank you for your job : Mageia 2 seems to be very stable.
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+&gt;<i> luigiwalser &lt;luigiwalser&gt; 2:3.14-3.mga3:
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+&gt;<i> If we want a full usable distro out the box, VLC must be the default choice 
+</I>&gt;<i> for all videos and then Totem could be removed.
+</I>
+Which desktop are you using? VLC is IMO terrible, but I don't see why
+application defaults should be the same across desktops. Totem under
+anything other than GNOME: who cares? Maybe for XFCE VLC is a better fit
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+--- On Wed, 11/21/12, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+From: Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nss-3.14-3.mga3
+To: &quot;Mageia development mailing-list&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Cc: &quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;
+Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 6:48 AM
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+On 21 November 2012 04:34, luigiwalser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> luigiwalser &lt;luigiwalser&gt; 2:3.14-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 319957
+</I>&gt;<i> - revert previous change
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Yes, see the previous thread about this issue.
+</I>
+I finally figured out the correct fix[1], but then fwang came along and
+fixed it differently :P
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+[1] Grep skills were lacking. Took a while to figure out how those
+provides were created, i586 vs x86_64, etc.
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+&gt;<i> Em 20-11-2012 18:16, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 20 novembre 2012 17:13:14 Barry Jackson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Also, to quote library policy:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;The goal is to be able to install libfoo1 and libfoo2 on the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> system.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at jackodesktop</A> baz]# urpmi lib64qwt6
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installing lib64qwt6-6.0.1-4.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ############################################################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ############## Installation failed:    file
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/qt4/plugins/designer/libqwt_designer_plugin.so from install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of lib64qwt6-6.0.1-4.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64qwt5-5.2.2-4.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because those files have nothing to do in a versionned libs. =&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packaging
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> errors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where should they be? For now, I have removed this file from libqwt5 to
+</I>&gt;<i> allow installing both in the same system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should I create a sub package named qwt-designer-plugin ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>As I see it this would not work as the sub-package would need to be in 
+both packages thus causing another conflict. I suspect there is no 
+difference between the two plugin builds so maybe one separate plugin 
+package built using the latest tarball, but I really don't know - maybe 
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+    <B>Pierre Jarillon</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 02:11:40AM +0100, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If we want a full usable distro out the box, VLC must be the default
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; choice for all videos and then Totem could be removed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Which desktop are you using? VLC is IMO terrible, but I don't see why
+</I>&gt;<i> application defaults should be the same across desktops. Totem under
+</I>&gt;<i> anything other than GNOME: who cares? Maybe for XFCE VLC is a better fit
+</I>&gt;<i> or something.
+</I>
+VLC works with any destop and any OS.
+Most of people coming from Windows already use VLC.
+LibreOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird and VLC are the most universal applications.
+They allow easy migrations from Microsoft.
+However, I prefer Konqueror and kmail in a KDE environment.
+
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+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org">http://abul.org</A>
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 13:29:26, Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 02:11:40AM +0100, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; If we want a full usable distro out the box, VLC must be the default
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; choice for all videos and then Totem could be removed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Which desktop are you using? VLC is IMO terrible, but I don't see why
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; application defaults should be the same across desktops. Totem under
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; anything other than GNOME: who cares? Maybe for XFCE VLC is a better fit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or something.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> VLC works with any destop and any OS.
+</I>&gt;<i> Most of people coming from Windows already use VLC.
+</I>&gt;<i> LibreOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird and VLC are the most universal applications.
+</I>&gt;<i> They allow easy migrations from Microsoft.
+</I>&gt;<i> However, I prefer Konqueror and kmail in a KDE environment.
+</I>
+You really like VLC :)
+
+If there is no KDE mediaplayer, then maybe file a bug. Totem in KDE is
+not the best match.
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 02:32:32PM +0100, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 13:29:26, Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 02:11:40AM +0100, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we want a full usable distro out the box, VLC must be the default
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> choice for all videos and then Totem could be removed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Which desktop are you using? VLC is IMO terrible, but I don't see why
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> application defaults should be the same across desktops. Totem under
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> anything other than GNOME: who cares? Maybe for XFCE VLC is a better fit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or something.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> VLC works with any destop and any OS.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Most of people coming from Windows already use VLC.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> LibreOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird and VLC are the most universal applications.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They allow easy migrations from Microsoft.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, I prefer Konqueror and kmail in a KDE environment.
+</I>&gt;<i> You really like VLC :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If there is no KDE mediaplayer, then maybe file a bug. Totem in KDE is
+</I>&gt;<i> not the best match.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>its dragon player the default kde multimedia player iirc
+(totem as default will make our livecd not possible since age)
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+to other free software developers. It is a bit disappointing action to
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 02:32:32PM +0100, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 13:29:26, Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 02:11:40AM +0100, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; If we want a full usable distro out the box, VLC must be the default
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; choice for all videos and then Totem could be removed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Which desktop are you using? VLC is IMO terrible, but I don't see why
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; application defaults should be the same across desktops. Totem under
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; anything other than GNOME: who cares? Maybe for XFCE VLC is a better fit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; or something.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> VLC works with any destop and any OS.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Most of people coming from Windows already use VLC.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> LibreOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird and VLC are the most universal applications.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They allow easy migrations from Microsoft.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, I prefer Konqueror and kmail in a KDE environment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You really like VLC :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If there is no KDE mediaplayer, then maybe file a bug. Totem in KDE is
+</I>&gt;<i> not the best match.
+</I>
+Neither is dragon player nor is totem a good thing in Gnome.
+
+Both application suffer from the same cause: as soon as we enter the
+video section we also become victims of the free/non-free/tainted
+issue. Result: totem as well as dragon player as provided by the free
+DVD are not able to play any kind of video, unless you install certain
+plugins. Now the direct issue is, how both applications deal with
+this. None of both is able to list all necessary plugins to play the
+wanted video - it's always the dance &quot;a plugin is missing!&quot; - &quot;Which
+plugin?&quot; then a forum helper tells you about one plugin, you install
+it, restart totem and - Bang! - it kills you with another &quot;A plugin is
+missing!&quot;. Do that 3 times and maybe it works for this one video,
+coming back with the next video format. Same with dragon player.
+
+It's an upstream issue all right, but why is it not possible to
+include a function which lists ALL needed plugins, so you can install
+all of them? Or even better, a meta-package for those who want it all,
+which installs all available plugins for video play? I understand the
+reasons why they can not be installed automatically, but it would be a
+great step forward if all needed plugins can be installed in ONE step.
+
+Apart from that and not judging by look&amp;feel, vlc really is the best
+when it comes to playing media.
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+&gt;<i> 2012/11/21 Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 02:32:32PM +0100, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 13:29:26, Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 02:11:40AM +0100, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; If we want a full usable distro out the box, VLC must be the default
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; choice for all videos and then Totem could be removed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Which desktop are you using? VLC is IMO terrible, but I don't see why
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; application defaults should be the same across desktops. Totem under
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; anything other than GNOME: who cares? Maybe for XFCE VLC is a better fit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; or something.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; VLC works with any destop and any OS.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Most of people coming from Windows already use VLC.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; LibreOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird and VLC are the most universal applications.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; They allow easy migrations from Microsoft.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; However, I prefer Konqueror and kmail in a KDE environment.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You really like VLC :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If there is no KDE mediaplayer, then maybe file a bug. Totem in KDE is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not the best match.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Neither is dragon player nor is totem a good thing in Gnome.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Both application suffer from the same cause: as soon as we enter the
+</I>&gt;<i> video section we also become victims of the free/non-free/tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> issue. Result: totem as well as dragon player as provided by the free
+</I>&gt;<i> DVD are not able to play any kind of video, unless you install certain
+</I>&gt;<i> plugins. Now the direct issue is, how both applications deal with
+</I>&gt;<i> this. None of both is able to list all necessary plugins to play the
+</I>&gt;<i> wanted video - it's always the dance &quot;a plugin is missing!&quot; - &quot;Which
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin?&quot; then a forum helper tells you about one plugin, you install
+</I>&gt;<i> it, restart totem and - Bang! - it kills you with another &quot;A plugin is
+</I>&gt;<i> missing!&quot;. Do that 3 times and maybe it works for this one video,
+</I>&gt;<i> coming back with the next video format. Same with dragon player.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It's an upstream issue all right, but why is it not possible to
+</I>&gt;<i> include a function which lists ALL needed plugins, so you can install
+</I>&gt;<i> all of them? Or even better, a meta-package for those who want it all,
+</I>&gt;<i> which installs all available plugins for video play? I understand the
+</I>&gt;<i> reasons why they can not be installed automatically, but it would be a
+</I>&gt;<i> great step forward if all needed plugins can be installed in ONE step.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Apart from that and not judging by look&amp;feel, vlc really is the best
+</I>&gt;<i> when it comes to playing media.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I second that last comment!
+
+Cheers,
+R.Fox
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+I'm going to push soon (upload is on the way) KDE SC 4.10 beta1
+There's some changes with some new packages like kdegames which has been 
+splitted so you may find some missing requires eventually (for the cards games 
+essentially) since i was not able to test all of them due to lack of time.
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+Since udisks2 is now supported upstream i enabled back udisk2 support in 
+kdelibs so it's going the good time to test it again &amp; report upstream in case 
+of problem.
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+I'm using it locally since 2 days without issue (one is on the context menu 
+with konsole support but i disable the patch for the initial push).
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+On 21/11/2012 10:29, Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello !
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it possible to reintroduce gnubiff in Mageia 3. All mail 
+</I>&gt;<i> checkers (in mga 2) depend on a wm. In kde they don't check the 
+</I>&gt;<i> mail spooler, only kmail, gmail, thunderbird etc. Gnubiff is more 
+</I>&gt;<i> versatile.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If I am wrong excuse me ;-) (but tell me which mail checker is 
+</I>&gt;<i> running under every wm and able to check /var/spool/mail or 
+</I>&gt;<i> $HOME/xxxx in a mbox format).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway  thank you for your job : Mageia 2 seems to be very stable.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>KMail can certainly check /var/spool/mail, but you do have to tell it
+to.  Create a new resource, of the type mbox, and point it to
+/var/spool/mail.
+
+Anne
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+So do I :-)   It plays whatever you throw at it.  Not as pretty as
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+&gt;<i> sander85 &lt;sander85&gt; 4.1.0.20-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 318152
+</I>&gt;<i> - New requires
+</I>&gt;<i> - New version: 4.1.0.20
+</I>
+A requested package cannot be installed:
+get-skype-4.1.0.20-1.mga3.nonfree.noarch (due to unsatisfied libqtopengl4)
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+Does it dynamically open this or something? This should be
+automatically. In any case, lib64 on x86_64.
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+&gt;<i> guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 2.4.3-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 319896
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix manual configuration (#8141)
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+I got the following error:
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+such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status
+httpd-event.service' for details.
+warning: %post(apache-2.4.3-4.mga3.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit status 6
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:12:31AM +0100, sander85 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sander85 &lt;sander85&gt; 4.1.0.20-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 318152
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - New requires
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - New version: 4.1.0.20
+</I>&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> get-skype-4.1.0.20-1.mga3.nonfree.noarch (due to unsatisfied libqtopengl4)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does it dynamically open this or something? This should be
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically. In any case, lib64 on x86_64.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>You have to enable Core 32bit repos.
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+&gt;<i> On 21/11/2012 10:29, Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello !
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it possible to reintroduce gnubiff in Mageia 3. All mail 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> checkers (in mga 2) depend on a wm. In kde they don't check the 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mail spooler, only kmail, gmail, thunderbird etc. Gnubiff is more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  versatile.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If I am wrong excuse me ;-) (but tell me which mail checker is 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> running under every wm and able to check /var/spool/mail or 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $HOME/xxxx in a mbox format).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyway  thank you for your job : Mageia 2 seems to be very
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stable.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> KMail can certainly check /var/spool/mail, but you do have to tell
+</I>&gt;<i> it to.  Create a new resource, of the type mbox, and point it to 
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>
+Have a look at claws-mail too.
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+&gt;<i> 21.11.2012 21:25, Olav Vitters kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:12:31AM +0100, sander85 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; sander85 &lt;sander85&gt; 4.1.0.20-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; + Revision: 318152
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - New requires
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - New version: 4.1.0.20
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; get-skype-4.1.0.20-1.mga3.nonfree.noarch (due to unsatisfied libqtopengl4)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Does it dynamically open this or something? This should be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; automatically. In any case, lib64 on x86_64.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> You have to enable Core 32bit repos.
+</I>
+Ahh.. of course! Proprietary software: &#9785;
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+Olav
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:29:37PM +0100, guillomovitch wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 2.4.3-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 319896
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix manual configuration (#8141)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I got the following error:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Failed to issue method call: Unit httpd-event.service failed to load: No
+</I>&gt;<i> such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status
+</I>&gt;<i> httpd-event.service' for details.
+</I>&gt;<i> warning: %post(apache-2.4.3-4.mga3.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit status 6
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't upgrade my Cauldron install too often, so maybe this has been
+</I>&gt;<i> happening for a while.
+</I>There isn't any mpm-specific systemd unit anymore since the switch to 
+apache 2.4, as they are now runtime-configurable. I guess you're 
+updating from 2.2 to 2.4 there, right ?
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+-- 
+It is axiomatic that any spares required will have just been 
+discontinued and will be no longer in stock.
+	-- Murphy's Hardware Laws n&#176;2
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+&gt;<i> Le 21/11/2012 20:25, Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:29:37PM +0100, guillomovitch wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 2.4.3-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;+ Revision: 319896
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;- fix manual configuration (#8141)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;I got the following error:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Failed to issue method call: Unit httpd-event.service failed to load: No
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;httpd-event.service' for details.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;warning: %post(apache-2.4.3-4.mga3.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit status 6
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;I don't upgrade my Cauldron install too often, so maybe this has been
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;happening for a while.
+</I>&gt;<i> There isn't any mpm-specific systemd unit anymore since the switch
+</I>&gt;<i> to apache 2.4, as they are now runtime-configurable. I guess you're
+</I>&gt;<i> updating from 2.2 to 2.4 there, right ?
+</I>
+&gt;<i>From journalctl:
+</I>Nov 21 20:11:36 bkor.dhs.org perl[10596]: [RPM] apache-2.4.3-4.mga3.x86_64 installed
+Nov 21 20:11:42 bkor.dhs.org perl[10596]: [RPM] apache-2.4.3-3.mga3.x86_64 removed
+
+So it seems I haven't been paying attention to the output of urpmi?
+Also, I actually don't use apache much (once a year maybe).
+
+I did a &quot;systemctl list-unit-files&quot;, but cannot see a reference to where
+httpd-event.service is coming from.
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+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+&gt;<i> You really like VLC :)
+</I>
+Not especially, but it works fine with all videos.
+
+&gt;<i> If there is no KDE mediaplayer, then maybe file a bug. Totem in KDE is
+</I>&gt;<i> not the best match.
+</I>
+Dragon works often but not in accordance with the image ratio (16/9).
+Totem works after a work which is not feasible by a newbie.
+Totem and dragon look like to a work in progress. I am sorry of that, but is 
+is the sad truth.
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+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org">http://abul.org</A>
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+Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cannewilson at googlemail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 21/11/2012 10:29, Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is it possible to reintroduce gnubiff in Mageia 3. All mail 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; checkers (in mga 2) depend on a wm. In kde they don't check the 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mail spooler, only kmail, gmail, thunderbird etc. Gnubiff is more 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; versatile.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If I am wrong excuse me ;-) (but tell me which mail checker is 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; running under every wm and able to check /var/spool/mail or 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $HOME/xxxx in a mbox format).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Anyway  thank you for your job : Mageia 2 seems to be very stable.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> KMail can certainly check /var/spool/mail, but you do have to tell it
+</I>&gt;<i> to.  Create a new resource, of the type mbox, and point it to
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/spool/mail.
+</I>
+Of course  it can. 
+
+But I am not talking about mailers : only about mail checkers to warn
+if there is new mail in any mailbox (in spooler or in home directory and
+in various mailbox format).
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+dlucio wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name        : freeswitch                   Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 1.2.3                             Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 3.mga3                        Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Wed Nov 21 04:07:00 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: jonund.mageia.org Group       :
+</I>&gt;<i> Communications/Telephony      Source RPM: (none) Size        :
+</I>&gt;<i> 47516228                         License: MPL1.1 Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt;
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+Unless you built this without the included lame this/these rpms
+should be in Tainted not in Core.
+
+
+    Charles
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+-- 
+One of the pleasures of reading old letters is the knowledge that they
+need no answer.
+		-- George Gordon, Lord Byron
+----------------------
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+dlucio wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name        : freeswitch                   Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 1.2.3                             Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 3.mga3                        Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Wed Nov 21 04:07:00 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: jonund.mageia.org Group       :
+</I>&gt;<i> Communications/Telephony      Source RPM: (none) Size        :
+</I>&gt;<i> 47516228                         License: MPL1.1 Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt;
+</I>
+Unless you built this without the included lame this/these rpms
+should be in Tainted not in Core.
+
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+    Charles
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+-- 
+One of the pleasures of reading old letters is the knowledge that they
+need no answer.
+		-- George Gordon, Lord Byron
+----------------------
+Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
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+<PRE>On 11/21/2012 11:26 PM, anssi wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name        : ldetect-lst                  Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 0.1.311                           Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Wed Nov 21 23:25:17 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group       : System/Kernel and hardware    Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size        : 1269863                          License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : anssi &lt;anssi&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary     : Hardware list for the light detection library
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> The hardware device lists provided by this package are used as lookup
+</I>&gt;<i> table to get hardware autodetection.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> anssi &lt;anssi&gt; 0.1.311-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 320393
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 0.1.311
+</I>&gt;<i>    o switch DRIVER2 for GeForce 7xxx and GeForce 8xxx cards to the
+</I>&gt;<i>      newly added 304.xx series proprietary driver as support is
+</I>&gt;<i>      dropped from nvidia-current
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This should be 6xxx and 7xxx, as 8xxx and above are supported by the new driver,
+AFAIK.
+Is just a typo in the description or also in the lists ?
+
+-- 
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt;        \               Winter is coming...
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi,
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+So I've added a few tests to rpmlint for stuff previously discussed.
+
+I'm aware of lots of packages that will fail but will try and fix them
+over the weekend.
+
+Can someone check my commits to rpmlint and rpmlint-mageia-policy. If
+it's valid can someone also submit them to infra repo and deploy on
+valstar (obviously should only apply to caudron builds not mga1/2 - just
+like the rpm group policy stuff)
+
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+If anyone wants to help with the &quot;known-to-break&quot; list, please fix up
+the following packages to add tmpfiles support rather than shipping the
+actual files/folders:
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+389-ds-base:/var/lock/dirsrv
+abrt:/var/run/abrt
+abrt:/var/run/abrt/abrt.socket
+abrt:/var/run/abrtd.pid
+asterisk:/var/run/asterisk
+bind:/var/lib/named/var/run/named
+bind:/var/run/named
+bip:/var/run/bip
+c-icap-server:/var/run/icapd
+clamav:/var/run/clamav
+couchdb-bin:/var/run/couchdb
+courier-authdaemon:/var/run/authdaemon
+cups:/var/run/cups/certs
+cyrus-sasl:/var/run/saslauthd
+dbus:/var/run/dbus
+devmon:/var/run/devmon
+dhcp-server:/var/run/dhcpd
+dirmngr:/var/run/dirmngr
+dovecot:/var/run/dovecot
+dovecot:/var/run/dovecot/empty
+dovecot:/var/run/dovecot/login
+dspam:/var/run/dspam
+fail2ban:/var/run/fail2ban
+fcron:/var/run/fcron
+firebird-server-common:/var/run/firebird
+freeswitch:/var/run/freeswitch
+gdm:/var/run/gdm
+gdm:/var/run/gdm/greeter
+gearmand:/var/run/gearmand
+gkrellm:/var/lock/gkrellm
+glusterfs-server:/var/run/glusterfsd
+gnokii:/var/lock/gnokii
+hplip:/var/run/hplip
+icecast:/var/run/icecast
+initscripts:/var/run/netreport
+initscripts:/var/run/utmp
+inn:/var/run/news
+iptraf:/var/lock/iptraf
+ircd-hybrid:/var/run/ircd-hybrid
+jetty:/var/run/jetty
+kolab-saslauthd:/var/run/kolab-saslauthd
+kolab-saslauthd:/var/run/saslauthd
+kolab-server:/var/run/kolabd
+leafnode:/var/lock/news
+libvirt-utils:/var/run/libvirt
+libvirt-utils:/var/run/libvirt/libxl
+libvirt-utils:/var/run/libvirt/lxc
+libvirt-utils:/var/run/libvirt/network
+libvirt-utils:/var/run/libvirt/qemu
+libvirt-utils:/var/run/libvirt/uml
+lirc:/var/run/lirc
+lirc:/var/run/lirc/lircd
+lirc:/var/run/lirc/lircd.pid
+mariadb-common:/var/run/mysqld
+mindi:/usr/lib64/mindi/rootfs/var/run/klogd
+mindi:/usr/lib64/mindi/rootfs/var/run/utmp
+mindi:/usr/lib/mindi/rootfs/var/run/klogd
+mindi:/usr/lib/mindi/rootfs/var/run/utmp
+mpd:/var/run/mpd
+mtink:/var/run/mtink
+networkmanager:/var/run/NetworkManager
+openldap-servers:/var/run/ldap
+openvpn:/var/run/openvpn
+pacemaker:/var/run/crm
+pdns:/var/run/powerdns
+php-fpm:/var/run/php-fpm
+plymouth:/var/run/plymouth
+powerman:/var/run/powerman
+ppp:/var/run/ppp
+ppp:/var/run/ppp/resolv.conf
+prelude-manager:/var/run/prelude-manager
+proftpd:/var/run/proftpd
+prosody:/var/run/prosody
+puppet:/var/run/puppet
+quagga:/var/run/quagga
+rabbitmq-server:/var/run/rabbitmq
+radvd:/var/run/radvd
+rdnssd:/var/run/rdnssd
+rear:/usr/share/rear/skel/default/var/lock/subsys
+rear:/usr/share/rear/skel/default/var/run/klogd
+resource-agents:/var/run/resource-agents
+samba-common:/var/run/samba
+siproxd:/var/run/siproxd
+smtp-gated:/var/run/smtp-gated
+snort:/var/run/snort
+sphinx:/var/run/sphinx
+spread:/var/run/spread
+ss5:/var/run/ss5
+stompserver:/var/run/stompserver
+system-config-printer-udev:/var/run/udev-configure-printer
+system-config-printer-udev:/var/run/udev-configure-printer/usb-uris
+tinyproxy:/var/run/tinyproxy
+util-vserver:/var/run/vservers
+util-vserver:/var/run/vservers.rev
+util-vserver:/var/run/vshelper
+uucp:/var/lock/uucp
+uuidd:/var/run/uuidd
+varnish:/var/run/varnish
+vtun:/var/lock/vtund
+xen:/var/run/xend
+xen:/var/run/xend/boot
+xen:/var/run/xenstored
+zabbix-agent:/var/run/zabbix
+zabbix:/var/run/zabbix
+ziproxy:/var/run/ziproxy
+
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Anssi Hannula</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09ldetect-lst-0.1.311-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C50AD6A4E.80603%40mageia.org%3E"
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+<PRE>22.11.2012 01:23, JA Magall&#243;n kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> On 11/21/2012 11:26 PM, anssi wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : ldetect-lst                  Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 0.1.311                           Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Wed Nov 21 23:25:17 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group       : System/Kernel and hardware    Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size        : 1269863                          License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : anssi &lt;anssi&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary     : Hardware list for the light detection library
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The hardware device lists provided by this package are used as lookup
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> table to get hardware autodetection.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anssi &lt;anssi&gt; 0.1.311-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 320393
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - new version 0.1.311
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    o switch DRIVER2 for GeForce 7xxx and GeForce 8xxx cards to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      newly added 304.xx series proprietary driver as support is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      dropped from nvidia-current
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This should be 6xxx and 7xxx, as 8xxx and above are supported by the new driver,
+</I>&gt;<i> AFAIK.
+</I>&gt;<i> Is just a typo in the description or also in the lists ?
+</I>
+Typo in changelog, sorry.
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+    <B>Richard Couture</B> 
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+<PRE>I was looking at the Bose Companion 5 speaker system and noticed that it 
+intefaces with the computer via USB.
+
+Am I going to run into problems with Mageia if I buy it?
+
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+Richard
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+    <B>David W. Hodgins</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I was looking at the Bose Companion 5 speaker system and noticed that it
+</I>&gt;<i> intefaces with the computer via USB.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Am I going to run into problems with Mageia if I buy it?
+</I>
+According to <A HREF="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose_computer_speakers#Companion_5">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose_computer_speakers#Companion_5</A>
+it works with linux kernels that support USB audio including Pulse Audio,
+so it should be ok.  Haven't tried it myself though.
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+    <B>Remco Rijnders</B> 
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">50AD671C.2060409 at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>So I've added a few tests to rpmlint for stuff previously discussed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>I'm aware of lots of packages that will fail but will try and fix them
+</I>&gt;<i>over the weekend.
+</I>
+&gt;<i>If anyone wants to help with the &quot;known-to-break&quot; list, please fix up
+</I>&gt;<i>the following packages to add tmpfiles support rather than shipping the
+</I>&gt;<i>actual files/folders:
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+Colin,
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+You'll probably be tired of repeating yourself over and over, but do you 
+have a few pointers (maybe on the packaging wiki?), what to change and 
+where? Is it a general approach for all packages, if so perhaps point to a 
+commit on SVN having the needed changes for a package?
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+I'd be grateful :-)
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Neither is dragon player nor is totem a good thing in Gnome.
+</I>
+I actually use mplayer. Though solely because I can configure the amount
+of seconds the left+right keys jumps forward/backward.
+
+&gt;<i> Both application suffer from the same cause: as soon as we enter the
+</I>&gt;<i> video section we also become victims of the free/non-free/tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> issue. Result: totem as well as dragon player as provided by the free
+</I>&gt;<i> DVD are not able to play any kind of video, unless you install certain
+</I>&gt;<i> plugins. Now the direct issue is, how both applications deal with
+</I>&gt;<i> this. None of both is able to list all necessary plugins to play the
+</I>&gt;<i> wanted video - it's always the dance &quot;a plugin is missing!&quot; - &quot;Which
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin?&quot; then a forum helper tells you about one plugin, you install
+</I>&gt;<i> it, restart totem and - Bang! - it kills you with another &quot;A plugin is
+</I>&gt;<i> missing!&quot;. Do that 3 times and maybe it works for this one video,
+</I>&gt;<i> coming back with the next video format. Same with dragon player.
+</I>
+Ah, that automatic install was always broken the few times I tried it. I
+can ask upstream if it can install everything in one go.
+
+I guess the big difference is:
+ Totem: loads of gstreamer subpackages, some in tainted, some not
+ VLC: 2 packages, one in tainted, one not
+
+In which case the loads of subpackages is actually detrimental.
+
+&gt;<i> It's an upstream issue all right, but why is it not possible to
+</I>&gt;<i> include a function which lists ALL needed plugins, so you can install
+</I>&gt;<i> all of them? Or even better, a meta-package for those who want it all,
+</I>
+I'll at least file a bug upstream.
+
+&gt;<i> which installs all available plugins for video play? I understand the
+</I>&gt;<i> reasons why they can not be installed automatically, but it would be a
+</I>&gt;<i> great step forward if all needed plugins can be installed in ONE step.
+</I>
+Did the installation actually work for you? For me it was always
+completely broken. Maybe that was just a broken packagekit, I haven't
+tried in a while. Also, I installed loads of gstreamer 1.0 subpackages
+and now it finally seems to work.
+
+&gt;<i> Apart from that and not judging by look&amp;feel, vlc really is the best
+</I>&gt;<i> when it comes to playing media.
+</I>
+In 3.8, Totem will be renamed to Videos and it'll be more integrated and
+so on, so I want to focus on making it work. Plus figure out how to
+customize the left/right arrow :)
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+Olav
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+    <B>Balcaen John</B> 
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+<PRE>Le mardi 20 novembre 2012 02:11:40 Pierre Jarillon a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 19 novembre 2012 19:21:29, Robert Fox a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Some requested packages cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; totem-3.6.3-2.mga3.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-1.0.2-2.mga3.i586)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; totem-mozilla-3.6.3-2.mga3.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; totem-3.6.3-2.mga3.i586)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Continue installation anyway?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Since yesterday there seems to be a problem installing the Totem
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updates . . . Anyone else?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Totem is out of service on my Mageia 3 alpha 3.
+</I>&gt;<i> It cannot start: scaletempo is missing
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If we want a full usable distro out the box, VLC must be the default choice
+</I>&gt;<i> for all videos and then Totem could be removed.
+</I>Well you can use dragon &amp; phonon-vlc to use the vlc backend  ;o)
+
+Regards,
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+    <B>Anne Wilson</B> 
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+On 22/11/2012 01:31, David W. Hodgins wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:39:15 -0500, Richard Couture
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rrc at linuxcabal.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was looking at the Bose Companion 5 speaker system and noticed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that it intefaces with the computer via USB.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am I going to run into problems with Mageia if I buy it?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> According to 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose_computer_speakers#Companion_5">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose_computer_speakers#Companion_5</A> it
+</I>&gt;<i> works with linux kernels that support USB audio including Pulse
+</I>&gt;<i> Audio, so it should be ok.  Haven't tried it myself though.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Can't answer for the Bose set, but I run 5.1 sound through a Creative
+usb setup and PA.  Mageia handles it fine.
+
+Anne
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+    <B>Anne Wilson</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:39:15 -0500, Richard Couture &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rrc at linuxcabal.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was looking at the Bose Companion 5 speaker system and noticed that it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> intefaces with the computer via USB.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am I going to run into problems with Mageia if I buy it?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> According to
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose_computer_speakers#Companion_5">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose_computer_speakers#Companion_5</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> it works with linux kernels that support USB audio including Pulse Audio,
+</I>&gt;<i> so it should be ok.  Haven't tried it myself though.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Can't answer for the Bose set, but I run 5.1 sound through a Creative
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Remco Rijnders at 22/11/12 08:17 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:43:24PM +0000, Colin wrote in
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">50AD671C.2060409 at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I've added a few tests to rpmlint for stuff previously discussed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm aware of lots of packages that will fail but will try and fix them
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> over the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If anyone wants to help with the &quot;known-to-break&quot; list, please fix up
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the following packages to add tmpfiles support rather than shipping the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> actual files/folders:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You'll probably be tired of repeating yourself over and over, but do you
+</I>&gt;<i> have a few pointers (maybe on the packaging wiki?), what to change and
+</I>&gt;<i> where? Is it a general approach for all packages, if so perhaps point to
+</I>&gt;<i> a commit on SVN having the needed changes for a package?
+</I>
+
+I should write up a wiki page, but here is the details:
+
+
+1. Add a file like: %{name}-tmpfiles.conf to the SOURCES tree containing:
+
+ D /run/my-package 0710 my-user my-group -
+
+(this will create a folder call /run/my-package owned by
+my-user:my-group in /run. You should likely use /run or /run/lock
+directly rather than /var/run or /var/lock which are just symlinks to that).
+
+You can also create files, links, named pipes etc. too. See &quot;man
+tmpfiles.d&quot; for full syntax.
+
+
+
+2. Add the source to the SPEC:
+ SourceN:        %{name}-tmpfiles.conf
+
+
+3. Install the tmpfile snippet:
+
+ # create tmpfiles directory
+ install -d -m0755 %{buildroot}%{_prefix}/lib/tmpfiles.d
+ install -m0644 %{SOURCEN}
+%{buildroot}%{_prefix}/lib/tmpfiles.d/%{name}.conf
+
+Make sure it's included in the %files section too:
+ %{_prefix}/lib/tmpfiles.d/*.conf
+
+4. Add Requires:
+ Requires(post): systemd
+
+
+5. Add/add to %post:
+
+ systemd-tmpfiles --create %{name}.conf
+
+
+(note, passing in the file basename here is very important! Don't just
+run &quot;systemd-tmpfiles --create&quot; as it has unexpected consequences!)
+
+
+That's about it.
+
+We could go around %ghosting the files created, but to be perfectly
+honest, I don't think it's worth the effort. Files in /run should be
+considered generally volatile and they should all be pretty self
+explanatory generally IMO.
+
+
+HTHs
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 22/11/12 10:20 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 5. Add/add to %post:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>  systemd-tmpfiles --create %{name}.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> (note, passing in the file basename here is very important! Don't just
+</I>&gt;<i> run &quot;systemd-tmpfiles --create&quot; as it has unexpected consequences!)
+</I>
+Note, I should state here that this should be done *before* any
+%_post_service calls, such that the if (for whatever reason)
+%_post_service decides to start the service when the package is first
+installed, the pid folder etc. exist before this happens.
+
+It should also happen *after* %_pre_useradd (but that should be a given
+as it's in %post :))
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:54 AM, andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>     &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>         An alternate approach would be to package and distribute the
+</I>&gt;<i>         documentation separately (as nonfree).  Oracle permits this as
+</I>&gt;<i>         long as it is only available on the same media or sites as
+</I>&gt;<i>         mysql-workbench -- which concurs with our current practices.
+</I>&gt;<i>         Then the mysql-workbench package itself would still be GPL.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>         So I'd go for the second option.
+</I>&gt;<i>         Maybe adding a comment in the mysql-workbench description
+</I>&gt;<i>         indicating that due to licensing restrictions, the documentation
+</I>&gt;<i>         is available in non-free.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Giving it a second thought, I think this isn't a good idea because if I
+</I>&gt;<i> split the documentation into a separate package that would mean that I
+</I>&gt;<i> would need to have mysql-workbench sources also in the documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> package to be able to build it. And looking more closely at the Fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> patch, they remove the documentation but patch the program to open the
+</I>&gt;<i> online version of the documentation. IMO, if we can't include the doc in
+</I>&gt;<i> the same mysql-workbench package then the online approach is better.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Juancho
+</I>
+Online would work, but personally I don't like online documentation, as 
+it ends up being downloaded every time it is referred to.
+
+I like your idea of giving a suggest if the documentation is in a 
+separate package.
+As for as packaging the documentation, you could always download it 
+directly from Oracle if that is easier.
+
+I don't see why you would need mysql-workbench sources in the 
+documentation package.
+Oracle only requires that the documentation, to be redistributed, is 
+presented on an iso or web site where mysql-workbench is *also* 
+available.  (Whether or not in the same package.)
+
+Our mirror policy says that an official mirror must carry core and 
+nonfree.  (We have no control over or responibility for non-official 
+mirrors.)
+And our isos don't have nonfree documentation.  (But if they did, we 
+could always ensure that the documentation package would only be 
+included if the software package were also included.)
+
+So where-ever we put the documentation package (in nonfree), there will 
+also be the mysql-workbench package (in core), which satisfies Oracles 
+restrictions.
+
+Regards :)
+
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8177">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8177</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at iki.fi</A>&gt;  changed:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>             What    |Removed                     |Added
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>               Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
+</I>&gt;<i>           Resolution|                            |INVALID
+</I>&gt;<i>                   CC|                            |<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at iki.fi</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --- Comment #1 from Thomas Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at iki.fi</A>&gt;  2012-11-22 12:19:42 CET ---
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That is intended.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rm is aliased to &quot;rm -i&quot; to ask the question as a safety feature, so you must
+</I>&gt;<i> answer the question, not only press enter.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ touch testfile
+</I>&gt;<i> $ ll testfile
+</I>&gt;<i> -rw-rw-r-- 1 tmb tmb 0 Nov 22 13:14 testfile
+</I>&gt;<i> $ rm  testfile
+</I>&gt;<i> rm: remove regular empty file `testfile'? y
+</I>&gt;<i> $ ll testfile
+</I>&gt;<i> ls: cannot access testfile: No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the other way to avoid the question is to do &quot;rm -f&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Or if you happy to run rm as it was written and risk deleting something 
+you didn't want too, then comment out the alias (and any others that get 
+on your nerves:) ) from /etc/profile.d/60alias.sh
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+&gt;<i> --- rpm/perl-URPM/trunk/URPM.pm	2012-11-22 07:39:29 UTC (rev 6499)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ rpm/perl-URPM/trunk/URPM.pm	2012-11-22 14:15:34 UTC (rev 6500)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -810,6 +810,8 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>   Destroys macros.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +=head2 Misc other functions
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i>   =item setVerbosity($level)
+</I>I may be wrong, but this seems to be syntactically incorrect, because of 
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+</I>&gt;<i> you didn't want too, then comment out the alias (and any others that get
+</I>&gt;<i> on your nerves:) ) from /etc/profile.d/60alias.sh
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Michael Wood at 22/11/12 14:45 did gyre and gimble:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Or if you happy to run rm as it was written and risk deleting something
+</I>&gt;<i> you didn't want too, then comment out the alias (and any others that get
+</I>&gt;<i> on your nerves:) ) from /etc/profile.d/60alias.sh
+</I>
+While it technically is a config file, it's also numeric which means
+that one day, it *might* be renumbered for whatever need at the time.
+
+I therefore try to always avoid editing such files whenever possible.
+
+Instead, I'd personally recommend creating your own file:
+
+/etc/profile.d/999-fsck-the-defaults.sh
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+and in it just put:
+alias rm=rm
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+or similar to &quot;undo&quot; the earlier changes.
+
+Sure there is a tiny amount more to do at init, but it's pretty minimal
+and you likely won't notice.
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> On 22/11/12 15:45, Michael Wood wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or if you happy to run rm as it was written and risk deleting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something you didn't want too, then comment out the alias (and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> any others that get on your nerves:) ) from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/profile.d/60alias.sh
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> :) did that too, old school, when I do rm, I want to do rm :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>I know someone else who said that :-)  Then one day I was standing
+beside him when he hit Enter, and.... &quot;Sh....&quot; - yes, he'd wiped the lot.
+
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+    <B>Bo Lan</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I mean you could import the libpinyin.src.rpm directly now, build it
+</I>&gt;<i> via &quot;rpmbuild -bs&quot; or bm -s. then import it via &quot;mgarepo import
+</I>&gt;<i> libpinyin.src.rpm&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we could look and see whats wrong with it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/11/18, Bo Lan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lanbo64 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, 2012-11-18 at 18:49 +0800, Funda Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Would you mind import srpm into cauldron? So that we could collab on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2012/11/18, Bo Lan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lanbo64 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; I am new in packaging, and try to package a new stuff, but fail in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; compiling process. I can manually compile and install it without any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; problem, but when I use &quot;rpmbuild -ba&quot;, there are so many error about
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;undefined reference to bla bla bla&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; On the attachment of this email, there are my SPEC file and a copy of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; compiling error message. Hope you can teach me how to correct that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Sincerely,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Bo
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't mind. It is good if it can be imported into cauldron. But hope
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the problem that can be solved, and then I can learn from it about what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; happen of the error.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>I may not be able to import, because I do not have a maintainer account,
+and cannot add the attribute sshPublicKey on
+<A HREF="https://identity.mageia.org/">https://identity.mageia.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> I may not be able to import, because I do not have a maintainer account,
+</I>&gt;<i> and cannot add the attribute sshPublicKey on
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://identity.mageia.org/">https://identity.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+I can import it for you as I told, if you send me a SRPM!
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm going to push soon (upload is on the way) KDE SC 4.10 beta1
+</I>&gt;<i> There's some changes with some new packages like kdegames which has been
+</I>&gt;<i> splitted so you may find some missing requires eventually (for the cards
+</I>&gt;<i> games essentially) since i was not able to test all of them due to lack of
+</I>&gt;<i> time.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Since udisks2 is now supported upstream i enabled back udisk2 support in
+</I>&gt;<i> kdelibs so it's going the good time to test it again &amp; report upstream in
+</I>&gt;<i> case of problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm using it locally since 2 days without issue (one is on the context menu
+</I>&gt;<i> with konsole support but i disable the patch for the initial push).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>
+Oki, most of KDE has been pushed (&amp; probably all of it) now thanks to fwang 
+too.
+I'm sorry for the delay but somewhat i should recheck my upload script since 
+some of kde's package was not uploaded properly (missing checkout before), i 
+also somehow failed to create coherent listing for mgaqueue, i'll have a look 
+on it later today (&amp; then update the wiki so we'll have somewhere the correct 
+order for pushing KDE like it was done for mga2.
+Some packages depending on libkdcraw are going to failed rebuild due to some 
+changes in this library (there's already report on kde bugzilla).
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+Malo is already fixing the group for several kdegames but we might have some 
+missing requires for some cardsets eventually (provided by kdegames-common) so 
+please report on bugzilla/here/irc to neoclust or me :p
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+I also did not find the time so far to check upstream configuration to adapt  
+our mageia-kde4-config.
+
+Regarding digikam , the conflict with 
+/usr/share/applications/kde4/kipiplugins.desktop has been fixed upstream &amp; 
+fwang did push it today.
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+&gt;<i> Suggestion, do you want to put qt5 libs into /usr/lib directly after lib
+</I>&gt;<i> rename?
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+I talked about this with Nicolas, and this is not really necessarily
+easy to do, because we still need different prefixes for per-version
+includes or share directory, so just installing all of qt in
+/usr/lib&lt;arch&gt;/qt&lt;version&gt; is easier.
+
+&gt;<i> &#22312; 2012&#24180;11&#26376;17&#26085;&#26143;&#26399;&#20845;&#65292;Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt; &#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 16 novembre 2012 19:46:53 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/11/15 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012 20:57:36 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I'm pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; After we'll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; yes :) as it should be available on wednesday :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yep.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'll start tonight to work on new tarballs :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> btw tell if needed ( i will have time after qt5 split )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggestion, do you want to put qt5 libs into /usr/lib directly after
+</I>&gt;<i> lib rename?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#22312; 2012&#24180;11&#26376;17&#26085;&#26143;&#26399;&#20845;&#65292;Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 16 novembre 2012 19:46:53 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/11/15 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012 20:57:36 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I'm pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; After we'll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; yes :) as it should be available on wednesday :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yep.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'll start tonight to work on new tarballs :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> btw tell if needed ( i will have time after qt5 split )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> Sure there is a tiny amount more to do at init, but it's pretty minimal
+</I>&gt;<i> and you likely won't notice.
+</I>echo &quot;unalias rm&quot; &gt;&gt; ~/.bash_profile.
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+&gt;<i> I know someone else who said that :-)  Then one day I was standing
+</I>&gt;<i> beside him when he hit Enter, and.... &quot;Sh....&quot; - yes, he'd wiped the lot.
+</I>The world of unix admins is divided in two categories: those who already 
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+&gt;<i> JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 3.6.3-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 318912
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - requires gstreamer1(element-scaletempo) (mga#8088)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mmm, something is wrong:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pandora:~# rpm -q --provides gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad | grep scale
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libgstscaletempoplugin.so()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer1(element-scaletempo)()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pandora:~# urpmi totem
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> totem-3.6.3-2.mga3.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied gstreamer1(element-scaletempo))
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need something like the %arch_tagged macro, but adding the (64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> suffix instead of (lib64)
+</I>&gt;<i> See /etc/rpm/macros.d/20build.macros for its definition.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or maybe just change %arch_tagged to use (64bit) instead of (lib64), it
+</I>&gt;<i> would be a lot more consistent.
+</I>
+Just done in new rpm-setup
+
+&gt;<i> This requires rebuilding all packages using this macro, is it just about
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-release?
+</I>
+Actually, this does not require rebuilding them, the arch_tagged
+provides/requires are currently just used in packages from the same
+src.rpm (mageia-release, postgresql)
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+&gt;<i> &gt; :) did that too, old school, when I do rm, I want to do rm :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I know someone else who said that :-)  Then one day I was standing
+</I>&gt;<i> beside him when he hit Enter, and.... &quot;Sh....&quot; - yes, he'd wiped the lot.
+</I>
+A friend of mine did that once, when he was visiting me for a week and was remotely working on his home computer some years ago.
+One day he asked me why his images went away when he moved them.
+I asked him what command he used, thinking he used the wrong argument in the command.
+He responded: &quot;I only ran &#171;rm -f folder1/ folder2/&#187;&quot; Then he was quited for some 5 seconds, and uttered: &quot;Aaah...&quot;
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+We still smile at that episode when we meet. :-)=
+After that episode he started reading the commands he type, especially before moving or deleting files. It has saved him from shutting down our server at least once. :-)=
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+reliability with it - on my laptop (Thinkpad X220) it crashes regularly
+and I can't get it to switch between WWAN0 and WLAN0 without failing.
+Strangely, under Gnome - the Gnome network manager works flawlessly.  I
+can easily start and stop the WiFi or UMTS connection without problems. 
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+On the other hand, I use Evolution as my main e-mail client (since many
+years now) - oddly, when I am in Gnome - I can not click on calendar
+invites (accept / decline) - but in KDE using Evolution - I can.
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+So now I have to login to Gnome to get the UMTS to work, and then logout
+and login to KDE just to accept meeting invites . . . Kinda painful.
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+My dream is to have KDE networking working as well as Gnomes' - although
+with every successive release of KDE (we now have 4.10 B1 in Cauldron) -
+the networking applet never gets better.
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+And for the life of me, I can't figure out WHY a native Gnome app like
+Evolution has problems with calendar meeting invites - but the same
+program works fine under KDE.
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+Very strange and frustrating  . . . Sorry for the rant . . . . 
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+</I>&gt;<i> There has been much discussion over the KDE NetApplet and the lack of
+</I>&gt;<i> reliability with it - on my laptop (Thinkpad X220) it crashes regularly
+</I>&gt;<i> and I can't get it to switch between WWAN0 and WLAN0 without failing.
+</I>&gt;<i> Strangely, under Gnome - the Gnome network manager works flawlessly.  I
+</I>&gt;<i> can easily start and stop the WiFi or UMTS connection without problems.
+</I>If the problem if with net_applet &amp; that networkmanager does work for you
+under gnome, why not simply using the plasma-applet-networkmanagement in
+kde ?
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+&gt;<i> If the problem if with net_applet &amp; that networkmanager does work for
+</I>&gt;<i> you under gnome, why not simply using the
+</I>&gt;<i> plasma-applet-networkmanagement in kde ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> (You did of course report bug crash for the netapplet ? )
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I will try the plasma-applet  . . . BTW, I have been tracking existing
+bugs which are the same problems I am experiencing (6029, 5015, 3865,
+2592, etc.)
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+</I>&gt;<i> On Fr, 2012-11-23 at 06:14 -0300, John Balcaen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If the problem if with net_applet &amp; that networkmanager does work for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you under gnome, why not simply using the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; plasma-applet-networkmanagement in kde ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (You did of course report bug crash for the netapplet ? )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will try the plasma-applet  . . .
+</I>[...]
+You can install it and after simple enable it in the systray.( so no need
+to add the applet in the taskbar or on the desktop)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Le 23 nov. 2012 06:37, &quot;Robert Fox&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fr, 2012-11-23 at 06:14 -0300, John Balcaen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; If the problem if with net_applet &amp; that networkmanager does work
+</I>&gt;<i> for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; you under gnome, why not simply using the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; plasma-applet-networkmanagement in kde ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; (You did of course report bug crash for the netapplet ? )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I will try the plasma-applet  . . .
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> You can install it and after simple enable it in the systray.( so no
+</I>&gt;<i> need to add the applet in the taskbar or on the desktop)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> -- 
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Works like a charm!  Thanks! One less thing to worry about . . .
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+Now I can stay in KDE . . .
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+Cheers,
+R.Fox
+&gt;<i> 
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+&gt;<i> On the other hand, I use Evolution as my main e-mail client (since many
+</I>&gt;<i> years now) - oddly, when I am in Gnome - I can not click on calendar
+</I>&gt;<i> invites (accept / decline) - but in KDE using Evolution - I can.
+</I>
+Weird bug! Maybe related to the theme. In any case, please still file it
+if you haven't. I don't use Evolution btw.
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+Olav
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+&gt;<i> Le 22/11/2012 20:11, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I know someone else who said that :-)  Then one day I was standing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; beside him when he hit Enter, and.... &quot;Sh....&quot; - yes, he'd wiped the lot.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The world of unix admins is divided in two categories: those who already
+</I>&gt;<i> mistyped an rm command, and the others.
+</I>
+A joke; To change the localization of all the distro from english to french: 
+# rm -fr *
+
+A real mistake made by a unix administrator on his workstation:
+He mounted with nfs a distant machine in /tmp and puts the instruction in 
+/etc/fstab. He does his job. Everything was working fine and the remote machine 
+was setup in production... Some days later, he reboot his workstation.
+The boot was long, very long... The reason was that rm -rf /tmp/* was done at 
+each boot !
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+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org">http://abul.org</A>
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+&gt;<i> There has been much discussion over the KDE NetApplet and the lack of
+</I>&gt;<i> reliability with it - on my laptop (Thinkpad X220) it crashes regularly
+</I>&gt;<i> and I can't get it to switch between WWAN0 and WLAN0 without failing.
+</I>&gt;<i> Strangely, under Gnome - the Gnome network manager works flawlessly.  I
+</I>&gt;<i> can easily start and stop the WiFi or UMTS connection without problems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&quot;Can't win&quot; is appropriate.  You may want to check the comments in bug#8169.
+
+Apart from any net-applet crash, ifplugd is failing to start wireless 
+interfaces with current kernels, which means that the current plan to 
+*not* use NM outside of GNOME may not be workable. If that's the case, 
+then NM has to be made to work out-of-the-box outside of GNOME, or else 
+ifplugd has to be fixed.  Nobody outside of this ML is going to know 
+that they have to install extra packages and what they have to do with 
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+&gt;<i> On 11/23/2012 03:46 AM, Robert Fox wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There has been much discussion over the KDE NetApplet and the lack of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reliability with it - on my laptop (Thinkpad X220) it crashes regularly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and I can't get it to switch between WWAN0 and WLAN0 without failing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Strangely, under Gnome - the Gnome network manager works flawlessly.  I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can easily start and stop the WiFi or UMTS connection without problems.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Can't win&quot; is appropriate.  You may want to check the comments in bug#8169.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Apart from any net-applet crash, ifplugd is failing to start wireless
+</I>&gt;<i> interfaces with current kernels
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+Do you have any more details about this?
+It works fine here.
+
+Also check that you are using initscripts 9.34-30.mga3
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+Olivier Blin - blino
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+After today's Cauldron update I find that my screen is locked
+frequently, requiring my password to unlock it.  Since I normally work
+with two laptops at the same time - Cauldron and M2 - this is a huge
+nuisance to me.  Where can I change that setting?
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+Anne
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+    <B>Florent Monnier</B> 
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+Here are some RPM's for OCaml 4.00.1 and associated libs for Mageia 2:
+(Mageia 2 provides ocaml 3.12.1)
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+<A HREF="http://ocaml-mageia.forge.ocamlcore.org/rpm/">http://ocaml-mageia.forge.ocamlcore.org/rpm/</A>
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+(of course uninstall ocaml and every ocaml libs before)
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+These RPM's were built for Mageia 2 from the last packages versions in
+Cauldron (the development version of Mageia).
+Mageia is not a rolling release, so these .rpm won't be provided in Mageia 2.
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+These .rpm will probably be the ones for Mageia 3 when it will be
+released if no problem are found in it.
+So please test these and report any problem or success.
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+If you don't have time to fill a bug, you can just send an email to me
+and malo (his email is in cc).
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+I've not generated the complete set that's in svn:
+<A HREF="http://ocaml-mageia.forge.ocamlcore.org/mga-svn/mga-svn-2012-11-23.html">http://ocaml-mageia.forge.ocamlcore.org/mga-svn/mga-svn-2012-11-23.html</A>
+Just ask if you're interested by an other one.
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+Also if there are some &quot;must have&quot; that are not yet in Mageia, please
+also just ask!
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+Thanks
+Florent
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+    <B>Anne Wilson</B> 
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+nuisance to me.  Where can I change that setting?
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+My system uses MGA 2 with all updates applied
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> we decided to not allow Cinnamon in mageia for now.
+</I>
+Is there a list somewhere of Free and open source software that for whatever reason is not allowed in Mageia?
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 23/11/2012 22:39, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Friday 23. November 2012 18.43, D.Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we decided to not allow Cinnamon in mageia for now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there a list somewhere of Free and open source software that for whatever reason is not allowed in Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+There has already been zillions of discussions about this. We will not 
+have Cinnamon. We already have enough environments and not enough 
+maintainers. And it will cause troubles maintaining different versions.
+
+Please try to follow this. An open source project does not mean anybody 
+can do whatever he wants. We must keep some kind of logic and stay 
+realistic given the resources we have at the moment.
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+Cheers
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+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Michael Wood at 22/11/12 14:45 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or if you happy to run rm as it was written and risk deleting something
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you didn't want too, then comment out the alias (and any others that get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on your nerves:) ) from /etc/profile.d/60alias.sh
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While it technically is a config file, it's also numeric which means
+</I>&gt;<i> that one day, it *might* be renumbered for whatever need at the time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I therefore try to always avoid editing such files whenever possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Instead, I'd personally recommend creating your own file:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/profile.d/999-fsck-the-defaults.sh
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and in it just put:
+</I>&gt;<i> alias rm=rm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or similar to &quot;undo&quot; the earlier changes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sure there is a tiny amount more to do at init, but it's pretty minimal
+</I>&gt;<i> and you likely won't notice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That's what I do too (creating a custom file) -- for various other 
+commands.  That also ensures that it isn't overwritten by any updates.
+
+For rm, I'd rather have confirmation.
+(reminds me of the rm -f 127.0.0.1 joke)
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> There has already been zillions of discussions about this. 
+</I>
+Discussions some of us have never heard of, including me.
+
+&gt;<i> We will not have Cinnamon.
+</I>
+I am not talking about Cinnamon. I couldn't care less about Cinnamon, as I didn't know what it was untill now.
+Personally I'm happy with the current environments in Mageia. :-)=
+
+I just wanted to know if there is a list or policy or what have you, that we can read to figure out what or which type of FLOSS projects that for whatever reason is unwanted in Mageia. I didn't know there was such a thing.
+And if new packagers, such as myself, don't know that this or that FLOSS project or types of projects isn't allowed, how do you expect them to not import it?
+
+So my question still stands. Is there such a list or policy? If not, should we have one?
+If the consensus is that such a list is not a good idea or not wanted, I'm fine with it. I just wanted to raise the question.
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+    <B>Pierre Jarillon</B> 
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+I have a set of video to test the distro.
+
+Totem is out of service but its is however the defaut reader...
+For some videos, Dragon is not shown in the list of players but works.
+<A HREF="http://vimeo.com/53980967">http://vimeo.com/53980967</A> from vimeo works with Mageia 1 but not in cauldron.
+VLC works always.
+
+My suggestions are:
+- When VLC is loaded, it must become the default video viewer.
+- For each video type, define the viewer (Totem, Dragon) which works.
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Can't win&quot; is appropriate.  You may want to check the comments in bug#8169.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Apart from any net-applet crash, ifplugd is failing to start wireless
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interfaces with current kernels
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have any more details about this?
+</I>&gt;<i> It works fine here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also check that you are using initscripts 9.34-30.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This all started with <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7849">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7849</A> , but 
+I'd swear there was discussion in the ML beyond what's in the bug 
+report, because I recall others reporting similar problems with the same 
+kernel.  Or maybe my memory is as bad as it usually is, and the other 
+reports were for the same kernel on non-Mageia systems that I found by 
+googling.
+
+I haven't tested since, because this was the straw on the camel's back 
+that finally got me to pull enough teeth to find out that NM won't work 
+in KDE without manual intervention.  Once I got NM to work, I never went 
+back.
+
+However, bug#8169 references a BCM chip rather than an RTL chip, and 
+while my laptop with the RTL chip is still out of commission, my new one 
+has a BCM chip, so I can try a new install and retest ifplugd with 
+current cauldron.  I hadn't bothered to date, since no one ever updated 
+bug#7849 to indicate that anything had been done about it.
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+    <B>Anne Wilson</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I haven't tested since, because this was the straw on the camel's back
+</I>&gt;<i> that finally got me to pull enough teeth to find out that NM won't work
+</I>&gt;<i> in KDE without manual intervention.  Once I got NM to work, I never went
+</I>&gt;<i> back.
+</I>
+For those of us still struggling to get wireless to work, can you give
+more details, please?  Sorry if you have done so somewhere else and I
+missed it.
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
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+On 30/08/2012 16:08, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Marja van Waes
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 22/08/2012 16:29, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Marja van Waes 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> About a help text for drakx-installer-stage2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone please help documentation team with a good help
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> text for the help button for the &quot;Add or Modify a Boot Menu
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Entry&quot; screen, so for the pop up screen you see in the second
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> screenshot here (the one that pops up on top of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Bootloader Configuration screen) 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/installer/content/setupBootloaderAddEntry.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/installer/content/setupBootloaderAddEntry.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>What is the expected kind of text? ( I have never read the help :)
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ) An explanation of the different fields?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You didn't reply to my reply, so maybe I misunderstood. I thought
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you were longing to help us :&#254;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, I was away for an extended week-end, I may have some time
+</I>&gt;<i> tomorrow
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+@ pterjan
+Given our shortage of sysadmins, you still won't have time, I'll
+remove those &quot;Add some text....&quot; lines.
+
+@ barjac
+Would you have time to make the necessary adjustments to the other
+bootloader help texts when GRUB2 becomes the default bootloader in
+Mageia3beta-x ?
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Anyway, if no one comes up with something better, we'll remove
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Add some text
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ........
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ........&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and leave the help text as it is.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers, marja
+</I>
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Paid_projects">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Paid_projects</A>
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+Someone want to be paid for his work on Mageia !!!!
+Does it mean that he will give some money back to Mageia ?
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+Such a page might need an agreement before being published ...
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+&gt;<i> Is it a joke ?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Paid_projects">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Paid_projects</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Someone want to be paid for his work on Mageia !!!!
+</I>&gt;<i> Does it mean that he will give some money back to Mageia ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Such a page might need an agreement before being published ...
+</I>&gt;<i> don't you think so ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>The most stunning part of this proposal is that the author intends to
+use bugzilla (Mageia's infrastructure) to allow a paid developer
+communicating with its clients !
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+    <B>Anne Wilson</B> 
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+In Cauldron, I'm once again struggling with the inability to make
+configuration changes.  I first met it and wrote about it when trying
+to get wifi working.  Now I'm trying to change shutdown option, and
+meet the same problem again.
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+&quot;Administrator authorisation is required to change the Login Manager
+settings&quot;
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+That implies root password, to me, but &quot;Authentication failure, please
+try again&quot;.
+
+After that a new box pops up -
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+&quot;Unable to authenticate/execute the action: DBus Backend error: could
+not contact the helper.  Connection error: The name
+org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit was not provided by any .service files.
+Message error: Did not receive a reply.  Possible causes include: the
+remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security
+policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network
+connection was broken (code 7)&quot;
+
+Whatever is blocking these changes is a right royal PITA.  If you are
+tempted to shut off security measures by such setting, it is asking
+for trouble.
+
+Caulron was behaving so well until a couple of weeks or so ago.  It's
+driving me mad at the moment.  Is there any way out of this mess?  and
+also, asked in another thread, any way to stop it locking my screen if
+I look away for a couple of minutes?
+
+Anne
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+    <B>Anne Wilson</B> 
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+<PRE>In Cauldron, I'm once again struggling with the inability to make
+configuration changes.  I first met it and wrote about it when trying
+to get wifi working.  Now I'm trying to change shutdown option, and
+meet the same problem again.
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+&quot;Administrator authorisation is required to change the Login Manager
+settings&quot;
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+That implies root password, to me, but &quot;Authentication failure, please
+try again&quot;.
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+After that a new box pops up -
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+&quot;Unable to authenticate/execute the action: DBus Backend error: could
+not contact the helper.  Connection error: The name
+org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit was not provided by any .service files.
+Message error: Did not receive a reply.  Possible causes include: the
+remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security
+policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network
+connection was broken (code 7)&quot;
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+Whatever is blocking these changes is a right royal PITA.  If you are
+tempted to shut off security measures by such setting, it is asking
+for trouble.
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+Caulron was behaving so well until a couple of weeks or so ago.  It's
+driving me mad at the moment.  Is there any way out of this mess?  and
+also, asked in another thread, any way to stop it locking my screen if
+I look away for a couple of minutes?
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+Anne
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+    <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] what is this ????">rdalverny at gmail.com
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+<PRE>2012/11/24 PhilippeDidier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Is it a joke ?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Paid_projects">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Paid_projects</A>
+</I>
+That's interesting.
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+&gt;<i> Someone want to be paid for his work on Mageia !!!!
+</I>&gt;<i> Does it mean that he will give some money back to Mageia ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Such a page might need an agreement before being published ...
+</I>&gt;<i> don't you think so ?
+</I>
+I prefer the &quot;better apologize than ask for permission&quot; mantra; it
+helps going forward - so let's discuss this:
+
+ - what's the goal? bounties?
+ - how can it be related to
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Commercial_vendors?">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Commercial_vendors?</A> (it's more specific,
+but it looks like having a related purpose)
+ - is it appropriate to host it/link it from mageia.org?
+ - if so, couldn't it be linked into the bugzilla with a keyword or st
+specific? or to a more appropriate platform?
+ - should there be a monetary return to Mageia? (given that it should
+bring a code/patch/quality return already)
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+<PRE>On Saturday 24. November 2012 12.58, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+&gt;<i> Someone want to be paid for his work on Mageia !!!!
+</I>
+I have no problems with people working on mageia for money, as long as they adhere to our rules. If this results in more bugs being fixed, then we are benefitting from it.
+Many of the kernel hackers are paid by their employers to work on the kernel. Others are paid to work with a distribution. This is not new.
+
+&gt;<i> Such a page might need an agreement before being published ...
+</I>&gt;<i> don't you think so ?
+</I>
+I think so, yes.
+The current page implies that this is a Mageia project.
+I have no problem with the content itself. But the content of that page belongs on the authors webpage, not on the Mageia wiki.
+
+The page should be deleted.
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%202%20core/updates_testing%0A%09firefox-17.0-3.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3CCAONrEtYfm9efpTagcrV2uQ4CqL8NqUiA9NwR5uVV7V0tRqK06g%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+&gt;<i> dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt; 0:17.0-3.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 321475
+</I>&gt;<i> - Fix xml file
+</I>&gt;<i> - Enable Opus support
+</I>&gt;<i> - New version 17.0esr
+</I>0
+Much to the despair of my young nephews, it segfaults on :
+<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhCIDe92iKQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhCIDe92iKQ</A>
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+WARNING: pipe error (3): Connexion r&#233;-initialis&#233;e par le
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+/home/iurt/rpmbuild/BUILD/mozilla-esr17/ipc/chromium/src/chrome/common/ipc_channel_posix.cc,
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+Erreur de segmentation
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+Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
+0x0000003afe4a88cd in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libmozjs185.so.1.0
+(gdb) bt
+#0  0x0000003afe4a88cd in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libmozjs185.so.1.0
+#1  0x00007f5555a6d91d in ?? () from /usr/lib64/firefox-17.0/libxul.so
+#2  0x00007f5555a72aa8 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/firefox-17.0/libxul.so
+#3  0x00007f5555a7cd6d in ?? () from /usr/lib64/firefox-17.0/libxul.so
+#4  0x00007f5555a7d391 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/firefox-17.0/libxul.so
+#5  0x00007f5555a7d8db in ?? () from /usr/lib64/firefox-17.0/libxul.so
+#6  0x00007f5555ab95ae in js::IndirectProxyHandler::call(JSContext*,
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+#7  0x00007f5555b217c5 in js::DirectWrapper::call(JSContext*,
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+#9  0x00007f5555abd843 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/firefox-17.0/libxul.so
+#10 0x00007f5555abd89d in ?? () from /usr/lib64/firefox-17.0/libxul.so
+#11 0x00007f5555a7d218 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/firefox-17.0/libxul.so
+#12 0x00007f5555a7d8db in ?? () from /usr/lib64/firefox-17.0/libxul.so
+#13 0x00007f55559ff59e in JS_CallFunctionValue () from
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+#14 0x00007f5555118771 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/firefox-17.0/libxul.so
+#15 0x00007f5555111b7f in ?? () from /usr/lib64/firefox-17.0/libxul.so
+#16 0x00007f55556a6996 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/firefox-17.0/libxul.so
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+#24 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+<PRE>Just to notify Anne that the latest mails to mageia-dev arrived in 2 flavours:
+ - 1 gnupg signed version, coming from Anne Wilson <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cannewilson at googlemail.com</A>
+ - 1 unsigned version (same text) coming from Anne Wilson <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">annew at kde.org</A>
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+<PRE>On Saturday 24. November 2012 15.06, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+&gt;<i>  - is it appropriate to host it/link it from mageia.org?
+</I>
+Whats more, the article author have linked to the articles from the wikis Front page. <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Main_Page">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Main_Page</A>
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Saturday 24. November 2012 12.58, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Someone want to be paid for his work on Mageia !!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have no problems with people working on mageia for money, as long as they adhere to our rules. If this results in more bugs being fixed, then we are benefitting from it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Many of the kernel hackers are paid by their employers to work on the kernel. Others are paid to work with a distribution. This is not new.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Such a page might need an agreement before being published ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't you think so ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think so, yes.
+</I>&gt;<i> The current page implies that this is a Mageia project.
+</I>&gt;<i> I have no problem with the content itself. But the content of that page belongs on the authors webpage, not on the Mageia wiki.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The page should be deleted.
+</I>
+Well, actually I think the page needs some editing. As it is now it
+may give wrong ideas (as we see in this thread).
+
+What the page really says is that if Mageia does not offer any
+solution for a given bug because of lack of time or lack of interest
+by the developers a user is able to address the developers with a
+financial offer like &quot;fix this bug and I would pay 50 EuroCents.&quot;
+What the page does not say: it is not an advertisement of one or more
+Mageia developers offering paid service. It is merely a text telling
+the users that in a certain case this option is possible - keeping in
+mind that the resulting fix will still be free for all Mageia users to
+use.
+
+So, IMO the offer is something similar to Ubuntu's offer to be able to
+donate to a single project inside the distribution. With a better
+phrasing the page may be ok. Of course the details should be discussed
+in public and after that the option should be advertized in a blog.
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+-- 
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+<PRE>24.11.2012 17:41, Wolfgang Bornath kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> 2012/11/24 Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Saturday 24. November 2012 12.58, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Someone want to be paid for his work on Mageia !!!!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have no problems with people working on mageia for money, as long as they adhere to our rules. If this results in more bugs being fixed, then we are benefitting from it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Many of the kernel hackers are paid by their employers to work on the kernel. Others are paid to work with a distribution. This is not new.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Such a page might need an agreement before being published ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> don't you think so ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think so, yes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The current page implies that this is a Mageia project.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have no problem with the content itself. But the content of that page belongs on the authors webpage, not on the Mageia wiki.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The page should be deleted.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, actually I think the page needs some editing. As it is now it
+</I>&gt;<i> may give wrong ideas (as we see in this thread).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What the page really says is that if Mageia does not offer any
+</I>&gt;<i> solution for a given bug because of lack of time or lack of interest
+</I>&gt;<i> by the developers a user is able to address the developers with a
+</I>&gt;<i> financial offer like &quot;fix this bug and I would pay 50 EuroCents.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> What the page does not say: it is not an advertisement of one or more
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia developers offering paid service. It is merely a text telling
+</I>&gt;<i> the users that in a certain case this option is possible - keeping in
+</I>&gt;<i> mind that the resulting fix will still be free for all Mageia users to
+</I>&gt;<i> use.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, IMO the offer is something similar to Ubuntu's offer to be able to
+</I>&gt;<i> donate to a single project inside the distribution. With a better
+</I>&gt;<i> phrasing the page may be ok. Of course the details should be discussed
+</I>&gt;<i> in public and after that the option should be advertized in a blog.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>+1 on that. I have had similar idea myself. Watching bug 2317 or considering the fact that
+we still lack backports support. If someone is willing to pay for it to get solved then why
+not? And as the page says, Mageia can still refuse the solution. For example: someone wants
+Cinnamon to work on Mageia and someone else ports it. But it won't be imported into Mageia.
+They can have their own repo for it.
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+--
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+    <B>Olivier Blin</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%202%20core/updates_testing%0A%09firefox-17.0-3.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3Cm37gpbq9b5.fsf%40euphor.blino.org%3E"
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+
+&gt;<i> On 24 November 2012 01:51, dmorgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt; 0:17.0-3.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 321475
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Fix xml file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Enable Opus support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - New version 17.0esr
+</I>&gt;<i> 0
+</I>&gt;<i> Much to the despair of my young nephews, it segfaults on :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhCIDe92iKQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhCIDe92iKQ</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x0000003afe4a88cd in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libmozjs185.so.1.0
+</I>&gt;<i> (gdb) bt
+</I>&gt;<i> #0  0x0000003afe4a88cd in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libmozjs185.so.1.0
+</I>
+[...]
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+&gt;<i> #6  0x00007f5555ab95ae in js::IndirectProxyHandler::call(JSContext*,
+</I>&gt;<i> JSObject*, unsigned int, JS::Value*) ()
+</I>&gt;<i>    from /usr/lib64/firefox-17.0/libxul.so
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+This looks strongly like #6299 (symbols conflicts between firefox's
+mozjs and mozjs185 pulled by libproxy).
+It did not occur with the initial firefox version from Mageia 2, I think
+it started with firefox 13.
+
+I suggest pushing to Mageia 2 updates libproxy-0.4.7-9 (or why not
+0.4.10-1 since it fixes more issues).
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+-- 
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+&gt;<i> On Saturday 24. November 2012 15.06, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  - is it appropriate to host it/link it from mageia.org?
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+</I>&gt;<i> Whats more, the article author have linked to the articles from the wikis Front page. <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Main_Page">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Main_Page</A>
+</I>
+A better place would be to link it from <A HREF="http://mageia.org/support/">http://mageia.org/support/</A> but
+even here, it should be rephrased and more largely understood (what's
+the goal of it).
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+&gt;<i> (Why can any registered user edit the Front page?)
+</I>
+Because it's a wiki, and most (99%) of the time, there is no abuse.
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+    <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B> 
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+&gt;<i> For Mageia 3 it is necessary to read all kinds of videos.
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a set of video to test the distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Totem is out of service but its is however the defaut reader...
+</I>&gt;<i> For some videos, Dragon is not shown in the list of players but works.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://vimeo.com/53980967">http://vimeo.com/53980967</A> from vimeo works with Mageia 1 but not in cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> VLC works always.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My suggestions are:
+</I>&gt;<i> - When VLC is loaded, it must become the default video viewer.
+</I>&gt;<i> - For each video type, define the viewer (Totem, Dragon) which works.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Some points, specially related to Totem that is what I mainly use:
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+- Totem/GStreamer plays all kind of videos I have given it, mainly
+   divx/mp4/h264/mpeg2 with mp3/ac3 audio in avi/mp4/mkv containers.
+   It all depends on your gstreamer being correctly installed.
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+- Videos like <A HREF="http://vimeo.com/53980967">http://vimeo.com/53980967</A> are just FLASH, they do not
+   depend on Totem,VLC o Dragon. It works for me in Cauldron, as
+   YouTube both in Flash or HTML5 formats.
+
+- Most desktops DEs have a native player (Totem for Gnome, Dragon for
+   KDE, Parole for XFCE, ...). That should work and be the default
+   out of the box, that is what is most integrated with each DE.
+   Suppose that Totem was the absolutely best player regarding
+   fomats. What would you think KDE users would say if it was made
+   the default for KDE, forcing them to install half Gnome to see
+   videos ?
+
+- Many desktops have some kind of 2nd-to-best player. Perhaps VLC
+   is a good option for KDE (it is Qt based anyways), but for Gnome
+   or XFCE (GTK based) the best next option IMHO is Gnome MPlayer
+   (as good as as VLC).
+
+So the only problem with Totem is probably urpmi requires/suggests
+missing to guarantee that is plays all audio/video formats, or
+at least most used. And I suppose you can have the same problems with
+Phonon (or whatever is the KDE equivalent to GStreamer).
+And wrt to copyrighted decoders, the problem is the same for all,
+you have to use Tainted repos to get a GStreamer/VLC/MPlayer that
+decodes them.
+
+If you can post your video test collection somewhere, I can try to
+see if totem works for me with them.
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+-- 
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt;        \               Winter is coming...
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> And wrt to copyrighted decoders ...
+</I>
+Unless the decoder is in the Public Domain, it is copyrighted.
+The Linux kernel is copyrighted. Even the GNU packages is copyrighted.
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+Don't confuse copyrighted with proprietary.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> So, IMO the offer is something similar to Ubuntu's offer to be able to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> donate to a single project inside the distribution. With a better
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> phrasing the page may be ok. Of course the details should be discussed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in public and after that the option should be advertized in a blog.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1 on that. I have had similar idea myself. Watching bug 2317 or considering the fact that
+</I>&gt;<i> we still lack backports support. If someone is willing to pay for it to get solved then why
+</I>&gt;<i> not? And as the page says, Mageia can still refuse the solution. For example: someone wants
+</I>&gt;<i> Cinnamon to work on Mageia and someone else ports it. But it won't be imported into Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> They can have their own repo for it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+
+NO !
+You mean someone is paid and create a third repo for something Mageia
+doesn't want to import...
+
+If that thing brings a mess into Mageia,  we will see bug reports in
+bugzilla and lot of time lost by Mageia bug-triagers, devs, packagers,
+before discovering that is not a Mageia problem but that this stuff
+brought some shit !
+We suffer of lack of time... and this will consume more time from
+voluntary contributors to repair something badly done by someone that
+was paid for it !
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+    <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B> 
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+<PRE>On 11/24/2012 05:33 PM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Saturday 24. November 2012 17.25, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And wrt to copyrighted decoders ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unless the decoder is in the Public Domain, it is copyrighted.
+</I>&gt;<i> The Linux kernel is copyrighted. Even the GNU packages is copyrighted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't confuse copyrighted with proprietary.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yeah, sorry, that's what I meant...
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+    <B>Balcaen John</B> 
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+<PRE>Le samedi 24 novembre 2012 13:33:16 Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> In Cauldron, I'm once again struggling with the inability to make
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration changes.  I first met it and wrote about it when trying
+</I>&gt;<i> to get wifi working.  Now I'm trying to change shutdown option, and
+</I>&gt;<i> meet the same problem again.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Administrator authorisation is required to change the Login Manager
+</I>&gt;<i> settings&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That implies root password, to me, but &quot;Authentication failure, please
+</I>&gt;<i> try again&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>[...]
+
+Just in case did you try with your normal user password ?
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+<PRE>24.11.2012 18:55, PhilippeDidier kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> NO !
+</I>&gt;<i> You mean someone is paid and create a third repo for something Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't want to import...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If that thing brings a mess into Mageia,  we will see bug reports in
+</I>&gt;<i> bugzilla and lot of time lost by Mageia bug-triagers, devs, packagers,
+</I>&gt;<i> before discovering that is not a Mageia problem but that this stuff
+</I>&gt;<i> brought some shit !
+</I>&gt;<i> We suffer of lack of time... and this will consume more time from
+</I>&gt;<i> voluntary contributors to repair something badly done by someone that
+</I>&gt;<i> was paid for it !
+</I>Well, we have such repos already today and you can't stop something like that. But you saw
+my example the wrong way. Mageia doesn't have to support those repos and problems caused by
+such packages. I don't like such repos either and i hope that paid people fix things in our
+repos.
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+    <B>PhilippeDidier</B> 
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+<PRE>Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 24.11.2012 18:55, PhilippeDidier kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> NO !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You mean someone is paid and create a third repo for something Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> doesn't want to import...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If that thing brings a mess into Mageia,  we will see bug reports in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bugzilla and lot of time lost by Mageia bug-triagers, devs, packagers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before discovering that is not a Mageia problem but that this stuff
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> brought some shit !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We suffer of lack of time... and this will consume more time from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> voluntary contributors to repair something badly done by someone that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> was paid for it !
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, we have such repos already today and you can't stop something like that. But you saw
+</I>&gt;<i> my example the wrong way. Mageia doesn't have to support those repos and problems caused by
+</I>&gt;<i> such packages.
+</I>That has been a problem for Mandrake with Thac repo, a problem for
+Mandriva with MIB repo... and sometimes it took a long (wasted) time to
+understand that a reported bug was induced by something imported from
+third repo.
+NB plf repo was something else : mandriva devs worked on it !
+ I don't like such repos either and i hope that paid people fix things
+in our
+&gt;<i> repos.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>That reminds me a big controversy in Debian community some years ago...
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Regards
+Philippe
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+    <B>Filipe Saraiva</B> 
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+<PRE>I don't have problem with people working in Mageia improvements and receive
+payment for it, because this improvement will be free software.
+
+I remembered this blogpost about payment to develop poppler/Okular features
+- <A HREF="http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com.br/2012/06/free-software-free-to-pay.html">http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com.br/2012/06/free-software-free-to-pay.html</A>
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+2012/11/24 Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> 24.11.2012 18:55, PhilippeDidier kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; NO !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You mean someone is paid and create a third repo for something Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; doesn't want to import...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If that thing brings a mess into Mageia,  we will see bug reports in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; bugzilla and lot of time lost by Mageia bug-triagers, devs, packagers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; before discovering that is not a Mageia problem but that this stuff
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; brought some shit !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We suffer of lack of time... and this will consume more time from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; voluntary contributors to repair something badly done by someone that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; was paid for it !
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, we have such repos already today and you can't stop something like
+</I>&gt;<i> that. But you saw
+</I>&gt;<i> my example the wrong way. Mageia doesn't have to support those repos and
+</I>&gt;<i> problems caused by
+</I>&gt;<i> such packages. I don't like such repos either and i hope that paid people
+</I>&gt;<i> fix things in our
+</I>&gt;<i> repos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+    <B>zezinho</B> 
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+<PRE>Em 24-11-2012 00:08, Johnny A. Solbu escreveu:
+&gt;<i> On Friday 23. November 2012 22.46, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There has already been zillions of discussions about this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Discussions some of us have never heard of, including me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We will not have Cinnamon.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not talking about Cinnamon. I couldn't care less about Cinnamon, as I didn't know what it was untill now.
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally I'm happy with the current environments in Mageia. :-)=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just wanted to know if there is a list or policy or what have you, that we can read to figure out what or which type of FLOSS projects that for whatever reason is unwanted in Mageia. I didn't know there was such a thing.
+</I>&gt;<i> And if new packagers, such as myself, don't know that this or that FLOSS project or types of projects isn't allowed, how do you expect them to not import it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So my question still stands. Is there such a list or policy? If not, should we have one?
+</I>&gt;<i> If the consensus is that such a list is not a good idea or not wanted, I'm fine with it. I just wanted to raise the question.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+As always, I think you can start such a page in the wiki, like :
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+<A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/Games/Unsuitable">http://wiki.debian.org/Games/Unsuitable</A>
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+<PRE>2012/11/24 PhilippeDidier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 24.11.2012 18:55, PhilippeDidier kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> NO !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You mean someone is paid and create a third repo for something Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> doesn't want to import...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If that thing brings a mess into Mageia,  we will see bug reports in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> bugzilla and lot of time lost by Mageia bug-triagers, devs, packagers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> before discovering that is not a Mageia problem but that this stuff
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> brought some shit !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We suffer of lack of time... and this will consume more time from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> voluntary contributors to repair something badly done by someone that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> was paid for it !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, we have such repos already today and you can't stop something like that. But you saw
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my example the wrong way. Mageia doesn't have to support those repos and problems caused by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> such packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> That has been a problem for Mandrake with Thac repo, a problem for
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva with MIB repo... and sometimes it took a long (wasted) time to
+</I>&gt;<i> understand that a reported bug was induced by something imported from
+</I>&gt;<i> third repo.
+</I>&gt;<i> NB plf repo was something else : mandriva devs worked on it !
+</I>
+Still, we can't prevent that *. So perhaps should we:
+ - analyse it and find a clear model that explains it, so we can
+change what could be changed;
+ - even embrace it, that is, have a strategy to have more such
+external repositories to merge back into ours, or to better
+tag/mark/recognize what can come from something we do support as
+Mageia (because we produced it, or because it matches our
+requirements) and from something we don't.
+
+* it's a symptom that means that most of Mageia (as a whole product)
+works for some people, but some parts of it don't (so they
+duplicate/manage things on their own to make it quick, or more
+controlled for them).
+
+Still. The bottom line of having calls for bounties, people ready to
+pay to have some requests in Mageia answered in a more controlled way,
+is perfectly fine. Having them including in their requirements that
+the work be merged into (if possible), or made available to the parent
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+&gt;<i> On 24/11/2012 05:36, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I haven't tested since, because this was the straw on the camel's back
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that finally got me to pull enough teeth to find out that NM won't work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in KDE without manual intervention.  Once I got NM to work, I never went
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> back.
+</I>&gt;<i> For those of us still struggling to get wireless to work, can you give
+</I>&gt;<i> more details, please?  Sorry if you have done so somewhere else and I
+</I>&gt;<i> missed it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>As I understand it, NM needs to parse ifcfg files to an internal format 
+before it can work correctly with wireless.  I suspect there's a way to  
+do this with the NM CLI, but unless you speak NM well (I don't), it 
+isn't really obvious.
+
+It's easy in GNOME, as GNOME appears to detect that it needs to be done 
+and does it silently.  So if you have GNOME installed, just log in to 
+it, activate the interface from the dropdown at the top right, and log 
+out again.
+
+Otherwise, from KDE, you define the interface with drakconnect (MCC), 
+selecting to allow NM to control it.  Then install 
+plasma-applet-networkmanager (which is not installed by default for KDE 
+because NM is not supposed to be the default for wireless yet). John 
+Balcaen has posted that you don't need to add it to the panel (you can 
+invoke it directly in some way I didn't follow), but before I read that 
+I just used the panel toolbox widget  &quot;Add Widgets&quot; option, search on 
+network&quot;, double-clicked to place it
+on the panel, and invoked it from there.  Just tell it to connect the 
+wireless, and the parse should be done automatically.
+
+IIRC, John also posted that knetworkmanager (invoked through KDE system 
+settings) should do as well, but I'm not sure whether the 
+plasma-applet-networkmanager package was still required in that case.  
+Something has probably changed since I did this, since my recollection 
+is that the plasma applet showed a choice of interface controllers with 
+NM selected by default, and that did the required parse.  In current 
+cauldron, both the applet and knetworkmanager give me the same display, 
+and neither mentions NM, so maybe both the panel icon and the system 
+settings option are executing the same thing, and the plasma package was 
+being used under the covers.
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+I'm a recent refugee to KDE from GNOME3, so there's a lot I don't find 
+intuitive.
+
+There are two questions for which I don't have answers.
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+Once you've caused the parse to be done, you should be good to go for 
+wireless on subsequent reboots for that SSID.  I'm not sure whether it 
+needs to be redone if you switch SSIDs, but the errors you get from NM 
+if the parse *hasn't* been done refer to errors in an &quot;ifcfg-rh&quot; which 
+appears to be independent of SSID.  So maybe it's a one-time thing, or 
+maybe it's a one-time-per-SSID thing.
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+The other question is what happens for DEs other than GNOME and KDE.  No 
+clue there.
+
+You can find more details in bug#2160 and bug#8169.
+
+I'm still not sure exactly what happens when.  I just followed John's 
+suggestion to install plasma-applet-networkmanager, and then bumbled 
+around until I noticed it working.  Apart from having to install the 
+applet and invoke *something* (either the applet or knetworkmanager), it 
+all works by magic.  Just not by as much magic as it does in GNOME.
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 24 november 2012 20:09:05 schreef Romain d'Alverny:
+&gt;<i> 2012/11/24 PhilippeDidier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 24.11.2012 18:55, PhilippeDidier kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; NO !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; You mean someone is paid and create a third repo for something Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; doesn't want to import...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; If that thing brings a mess into Mageia,  we will see bug reports in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; bugzilla and lot of time lost by Mageia bug-triagers, devs, packagers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; before discovering that is not a Mageia problem but that this stuff
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; brought some shit !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; We suffer of lack of time... and this will consume more time from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; voluntary contributors to repair something badly done by someone that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; was paid for it !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Well, we have such repos already today and you can't stop something like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; that. But you saw my example the wrong way. Mageia doesn't have to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; support those repos and problems caused by such packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That has been a problem for Mandrake with Thac repo, a problem for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva with MIB repo... and sometimes it took a long (wasted) time to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; understand that a reported bug was induced by something imported from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; third repo.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; NB plf repo was something else : mandriva devs worked on it !
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Still, we can't prevent that *. So perhaps should we:
+</I>&gt;<i>  - analyse it and find a clear model that explains it, so we can
+</I>&gt;<i> change what could be changed;
+</I>&gt;<i>  - even embrace it, that is, have a strategy to have more such
+</I>&gt;<i> external repositories to merge back into ours, or to better
+</I>&gt;<i> tag/mark/recognize what can come from something we do support as
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia (because we produced it, or because it matches our
+</I>&gt;<i> requirements) and from something we don't.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> * it's a symptom that means that most of Mageia (as a whole product)
+</I>&gt;<i> works for some people, but some parts of it don't (so they
+</I>&gt;<i> duplicate/manage things on their own to make it quick, or more
+</I>&gt;<i> controlled for them).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Still. The bottom line of having calls for bounties, people ready to
+</I>&gt;<i> pay to have some requests in Mageia answered in a more controlled way,
+</I>&gt;<i> is perfectly fine. Having them including in their requirements that
+</I>&gt;<i> the work be merged into (if possible), or made available to the parent
+</I>&gt;<i> project is even better.
+</I>
+i guess it needs to be policy'ed:
+
+like: requiring that the fixes are done in Mageia itself (no 3rd party 
+repository), and as usual that the fixes are done in accordance to our 
+policies.
+
+then, structure needs to be clear with a status:
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+[requested] To fix bug #X (preferably option Y); &lt;user&gt; donates Z
+[taken by &lt;user&gt;] To fix bug #X (preferably option Y) &lt;user&gt; donate Z
+[solved by &lt;user&gt;] To fix bug #X (preferably option Y) &lt;user&gt; donate Z
+[accepted] To fix bug #X (preferably option Y) &lt;user&gt; donate Z
+
+any other communcations or status, reject or whatever, doesn't need to be here 
+and is between the parties involved.
+
+I would also ask that if possible the user who solves it donates a part to 
+mageia, not required.
+
+
+lastly, i note that the page is a draft, so this could very well mean that the 
+person who wrote this planned to bring this in a meeting.
+
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+in short, i don't really see any issue with it.
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+    <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> 
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+<PRE>2012/11/24 AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> like: requiring that the fixes are done in Mageia itself (no 3rd party
+</I>&gt;<i> repository), and as usual that the fixes are done in accordance to our
+</I>&gt;<i> policies.
+</I>
+You can't: 1) it's free software. 2) those changes will be first done
+on a separate repository before being pushed for inclusion.
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+&gt;<i> I would also ask that if possible the user who solves it donates a part to
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia, not required.
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> 2012/11/24 AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; like: requiring that the fixes are done in Mageia itself (no 3rd party
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; repository), and as usual that the fixes are done in accordance to our
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; policies.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You can't: 1) it's free software. 2) those changes will be first done
+</I>&gt;<i> on a separate repository before being pushed for inclusion.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I would also ask that if possible the user who solves it donates a part to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mageia, not required.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I wouldn't:
+</I>&gt;<i>  - the person that opens the bounty already invested money into the
+</I>&gt;<i> change (and to have it pushed to the master project);
+</I>&gt;<i>  - the person that takes the bounty and does/pushes the change already
+</I>&gt;<i> invested her time and skills.
+</I>
+
+I'm not following 100%, does this mean there are already quite specific 
+usecases for this?
+
+what's wrong with asking that the people who &quot;fix&quot; this do this, to do this in  
+upstream? i didn't say &quot;first&quot; or whatever, if someone fixes something for them 
+only, it would be nice of all the other mageians can profit from it...
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+and the latter was just a suggestion, it's not required.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 11/24/2012 02:37 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 24/11/2012 05:36, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I haven't tested since, because this was the straw on the camel's back
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that finally got me to pull enough teeth to find out that NM won't work
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in KDE without manual intervention.  Once I got NM to work, I never went
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> back.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For those of us still struggling to get wireless to work, can you give
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more details, please?  Sorry if you have done so somewhere else and I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> missed it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I understand it, NM needs to parse ifcfg files to an internal format
+</I>before it can work correctly with wireless.  I suspect there's a way to  do
+this with the NM CLI, but unless you speak NM well (I don't), it isn't
+really obvious.
+
+It's only happening if you choose to not change the default networkmanager
+configuration aka using the ifcfg plugin which means read only support for
+ifcfg files. I'm personally using instead the keyfile plugin (the upstream
+default).
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's easy in GNOME, as GNOME appears to detect that it needs to be done
+</I>and does it silently.  So if you have GNOME installed, just log in to it,
+activate the interface from the dropdown at the top right, and log out
+again.
+
+&gt;<i> Otherwise, from KDE, you define the interface with drakconnect (MCC),
+</I>selecting to allow NM to control it.  Then install
+plasma-applet-networkmanager (which is not installed by default for KDE
+because NM is not supposed to be the default for wireless yet). John
+Balcaen has posted that you don't need to add it to the panel (you can
+invoke it directly in some way I didn't follow), but before I read that I
+just used the panel toolbox widget  &quot;Add Widgets&quot; option, search on
+network&quot;, double-clicked to place it
+&gt;<i> on the panel, and invoked it from there.  Just tell it to connect the
+</I>wireless, and the parse should be done automatically.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIRC, John also posted that knetworkmanager (invoked through KDE system
+</I>settings) should do as well, but I'm not sure whether the
+plasma-applet-networkmanager package was still required in that case.
+
+knetworkmanager is just the name of the source rpm and the original binary
+which is long dead...So currently it's just a virtual package pulling the
+plasma applet package.
+
+&gt;<i> Something has probably changed since I did this, since my recollection is
+</I>that the plasma applet showed a choice of interface controllers with NM
+selected by default, and that did the required parse.  In current cauldron,
+both the applet and knetworkmanager give me the same display, and neither
+mentions NM, so maybe both the panel icon and the system settings option
+are executing the same thing, and the plasma package was being used under
+the covers.
+
+They're the same thing indeed.
+&gt;<i> I'm a recent refugee to KDE from GNOME3, so there's a lot I don't find
+</I>intuitive.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are two questions for which I don't have answers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once you've caused the parse to be done, you should be good to go for
+</I>wireless on subsequent reboots for that SSID.  I'm not sure whether it
+needs to be redone if you switch SSIDs, but the errors you get from NM if
+the parse *hasn't* been done refer to errors in an &quot;ifcfg-rh&quot; which appears
+to be independent of SSID.  So maybe it's a one-time thing, or maybe it's a
+one-time-per-SSID thing.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Suggest here: drop all ifcfg configuration files and switch to keyfile
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+</I>&gt;<i> In Cauldron, I'm once again struggling with the inability to make
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration changes.  I first met it and wrote about it when trying
+</I>&gt;<i> to get wifi working.  Now I'm trying to change shutdown option, and
+</I>&gt;<i> meet the same problem again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Administrator authorisation is required to change the Login Manager
+</I>&gt;<i> settings&quot;
+</I>
+Do you have an I-take-everything cauldron or a pick-and-choose cauldron 
+?  Nobody ever seems to announce policy changes on this ML, but I gather 
+that the winds of favor have moved from ConsoleKit to PolicyKit (or 
+maybe it's the other way around), so if, for example, ConsoleKit is now 
+deprecated but you still have packages installed that want it, you might 
+be getting the errors you mention below.
+
+&gt;<i> &quot;Unable to authenticate/execute the action: DBus Backend error: could
+</I>&gt;<i> not contact the helper.  Connection error: The name
+</I>&gt;<i> org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit was not provided by any .service files.
+</I>&gt;<i> Message error: Did not receive a reply.  Possible causes include: the
+</I>&gt;<i> remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security
+</I>&gt;<i> policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network
+</I>&gt;<i> connection was broken (code 7)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Caulron was behaving so well until a couple of weeks or so ago.  It's
+</I>&gt;<i> driving me mad at the moment.  Is there any way out of this mess?  and
+</I>&gt;<i> also, asked in another thread, any way to stop it locking my screen if
+</I>&gt;<i> I look away for a couple of minutes.
+</I>
+This was covered extensively in another thread.  KDE Power Management is 
+AFU at the moment.  If you have set PM to not turn off the display no 
+mattter what, it rolls the dice and chooses some random value for dpms, 
+which determines when the screen blanks (thanks, Colin).  There's an 
+open KDE bug for it.
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+At present, about all you can do to stay sane is put &quot;xset -dpms&quot; in 
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+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 24 november 2012 20:52:42 schreef Romain d'Alverny:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/11/24 AL13N&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> like: requiring that the fixes are done in Mageia itself (no 3rd party
+</I>...
+&gt;<i> what's wrong with asking that the people who &quot;fix&quot; this do this, to do this in
+</I>...
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+&gt;<i> and the latter was just a suggestion, it's not required.
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+    <B>Anne Wilson</B> 
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+On 24/11/12 15:29, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> Just to notify Anne that the latest mails to mageia-dev arrived in
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 flavours: - 1 gnupg signed version, coming from Anne Wilson
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cannewilson at googlemail.com</A> - 1 unsigned version (same text) coming
+</I>&gt;<i> from Anne Wilson <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">annew at kde.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>My apologies.  When I realised that the message had gone out under my
+gmail address I assumed it would be dropped (yes, two in the last 24
+hours :-( ).  I've now subscribed the gmail address set to NOMAIL, so
+if I slip up it shouldn't cause any problems - I won't need to re-send.
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+Again, apologies.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Suggest here: drop all ifcfg configuration files and switch to keyfile 
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+OK, in the spirit of Anne's original question, can you tell us exactly 
+what the keyfile plugin is and does, and how to use it ? I'll volunteer 
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+    <B>Anne Wilson</B> 
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+On 24/11/12 17:00, Balcaen John wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 24 novembre 2012 13:33:16 Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In Cauldron, I'm once again struggling with the inability to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make configuration changes.  I first met it and wrote about it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when trying to get wifi working.  Now I'm trying to change
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shutdown option, and meet the same problem again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Administrator authorisation is required to change the Login
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Manager settings&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That implies root password, to me, but &quot;Authentication failure,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> please try again&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Just in case did you try with your normal user password ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>I did :-)
+
+Anne
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+    <B>Olivier Blin</B> 
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+<PRE>Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> Do you have an I-take-everything cauldron or a pick-and-choose
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron ?  Nobody ever seems to announce policy changes on this ML,
+</I>&gt;<i> but I gather that the winds of favor have moved from ConsoleKit to
+</I>&gt;<i> PolicyKit (or maybe it's the other way around), so if, for example,
+</I>&gt;<i> ConsoleKit is now deprecated but you still have packages installed
+</I>&gt;<i> that want it, you might be getting the errors you mention below.
+</I>
+We had a thread about deprecating hal (replaced by udisks2), policykit
+(replaced by polkit) and consolekit (replaced by systemd logind).
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+Before obsoleting these, we made sure that all packages requiring them
+had been fixed to use the replacement.
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+<PRE>2012/11/24 Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> On 11/24/2012 02:59 PM, John Balcaen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Suggest here: drop all ifcfg configuration files and switch to keyfile
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> plugin.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, in the spirit of Anne's original question, can you tell us exactly
+</I>&gt;<i> what the keyfile plugin is and does, and how to use it ? I'll volunteer to
+</I>&gt;<i> do a fresh install and test it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The keyfile plugin as said earlier is the default &amp; native plugin to use
+with networkmanager [1]
+In order to introduce nm on distribution using ifcfg files (redhat/fedora)
+the ifcfg-rh plugin has been wrote to read &amp; make nm able to use them (&amp;
+avoid interferences between nm &amp; the &#171; old &#187; scripts).
+So to use it you simply need to configure networkmanager by
+editing /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
+
+For example on my workstation i've got :
+cat NetworkManager.conf
+[main]
+plugins=keyfile
+dns=dnsmasq
+
+[keyfile]
+hostname=aker.cauldron.lan.littleboboy.net
+
+it's mean that i'm using the keyfile plugin (read [1] or
+man NetworkManager.conf for more details) &amp; ask nm to to also start dnsmasq
+for me.
+I also setup the hostname to set in nm in the keyfile section.
+
+There's also no need to do a &#171; fresh &#187; install to test/use it.
+
+
+[1] <A HREF="https://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/SystemSettings">https://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/SystemSettings</A>
+
+-- 
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+    <B>Pierre Jarillon</B> 
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+<PRE>Le samedi 24 novembre 2012 17:25:02, JA Magall&#243;n a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> If you can post your video test collection somewhere, I can try to
+</I>&gt;<i> see if totem works for me with them.
+</I>
+Sorry for the delay. I have uploaded a kit (33 files 500MB) of videos on
+<A HREF="http://pjarillon.free.fr/docs/demos/">http://pjarillon.free.fr/docs/demos/</A>
+
+Some types of videos are given with the command file
+$ ls | while read f;do file $f;done|awk -F: '{print $2 &quot;:&quot; $1}' | sort
+Some formats 19/9 are displayed at 4/3 ratio.
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+As I said previously VLC works fine in every case.
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+-- 
+Pierre Jarillon - <A HREF="http://pjarillon.free.fr/">http://pjarillon.free.fr/</A>
+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org">http://abul.org</A>
+Microsoft est &#224; l'informatique ce que McDonald est &#224; la gastronomie
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+<PRE>On 11/24/2012 03:35 PM, Olivier Blin wrote:
+&gt;<i> We had a thread about deprecating hal (replaced by udisks2), policykit 
+</I>&gt;<i> (replaced by polkit) and consolekit (replaced by systemd logind). 
+</I>&gt;<i> Before obsoleting these, we made sure that all packages requiring them 
+</I>&gt;<i> had been fixed to use the replacement. 
+</I>
+If that's my mistake, I apologize.  But that was the point of my 
+mix-and-match question: either we missed fixing something or else she's 
+got an old package in there, since the error messages indicate that 
+*something* is looking for a ConsoleKit systemd service file.
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+<PRE>On 11/24/2012 02:59 PM, AL13N wrote:
+&gt;<i> I'm not following 100%, does this mean there are already quite 
+</I>&gt;<i> specific usecases for this?
+</I>
+This is conceptually no different than someone offering to pay a 
+developer to engineer a change to a Mageia package for himself. It's 
+open-source, so what's the problem ?   Unless he tries to distribute it, 
+there's no violation.
+
+Whether it gets included in the official distribution is up to us. 
+Whether the developer wants to submit the change to upstream (if there 
+*is* an upstream) is up to him.  Whether we want to do the same if he 
+doesn't (assuming we've accepted it) is up to us.
+
+I don't accept that this drains effort away from the distro.  If we had 
+significant interest in expending our own effort to do whatever he wants 
+done, we'd have done it.  If we don't, we lose nothing in terms of 
+community effort by letting him do it.
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Much to the despair of my young nephews, it segfaults on :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhCIDe92iKQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhCIDe92iKQ</A>
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+&gt;<i> This looks strongly like #6299 (symbols conflicts between firefox's
+</I>&gt;<i> mozjs and mozjs185 pulled by libproxy).
+</I>&gt;<i> It did not occur with the initial firefox version from Mageia 2, I think
+</I>&gt;<i> it started with firefox 13.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest pushing to Mageia 2 updates libproxy-0.4.7-9 (or why not
+</I>&gt;<i> 0.4.10-1 since it fixes more issues).
+</I>
+It fixed this crash
+Now just add the proper conflict tag in order to have a smooth upgrade:
+Conflicts: %{_lib}proxy1 &lt; 0.4.10
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+    <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B> 
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+kalgebra.desktop: error: (will be fatal in the future): value &quot;Math&quot; in key &quot;Categories&quot; in group &quot;Desktop Entry&quot; requires another category to be present among the following categories: Education;Science
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+    <B>Anne Wilson</B> 
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+On 24/11/12 20:57, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 11/24/2012 03:35 PM, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We had a thread about deprecating hal (replaced by udisks2),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> policykit (replaced by polkit) and consolekit (replaced by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systemd logind). Before obsoleting these, we made sure that all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages requiring them had been fixed to use the replacement.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If that's my mistake, I apologize.  But that was the point of my 
+</I>&gt;<i> mix-and-match question: either we missed fixing something or else
+</I>&gt;<i> she's got an old package in there, since the error messages
+</I>&gt;<i> indicate that *something* is looking for a ConsoleKit systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> service file.
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+Is there somewhere I could check to find out what it is?
+
+Anne
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
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+On 24/11/2012 12:58, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+&gt;<i> Is it a joke ? <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Paid_projects">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Paid_projects</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Fiabledotbiz who wrote that page seems to be the same person as the
+one who filed the bug the page links to (in one of the upstream
+reports he uses his nick, in the other his name).
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+I suppose he was just tired of all the problems the bug caused him and
+willing to pay for a solution.
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+If we had had such a page in July, I would have referred the reporter
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+&gt;<i> While teaching a class in OpenVPN today I noted that urpmi does NOT
+</I>&gt;<i> create the /var/run/openvpn directory which openvpn uses to write it's PID
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This causes openvpn sufficient grief that it refuses to start...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> My system uses MGA 2 with all updates applied
+</I>
+This should be done with with systemd-tmpfiles these days (as mga3 is
+moving to /var/run and /var/lock on tmpfs) and IIRC the openvpn package
+in mga2 does this already.
+
+Looking more closely however, I can see a few packaging bugs:
+
+1. &quot;systemd-tmpfiles --create&quot; is not run in the %post (before
+add-service helper) (note that on cauldron the command must be:
+&quot;systemd-tmpfiles --create openvpn.conf&quot;). This means that you'll need a
+reboot before openvpn will work on mga2 after installing it.
+
+2. The tmpfile.d snippet is included in /etc/tmpfiles.d. This is wrong.
+It should be in /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/ (/etc is for admin overrides))
+
+With the fix in 1. or a simple reboot, it should be working fine. I'll
+see about adding the fix to an update package.
+
+Col
+
+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 25/11/12 11:44 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 23/11/12 20:44 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While teaching a class in OpenVPN today I noted that urpmi does NOT
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> create the /var/run/openvpn directory which openvpn uses to write it's PID
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This causes openvpn sufficient grief that it refuses to start...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My system uses MGA 2 with all updates applied
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This should be done with with systemd-tmpfiles these days (as mga3 is
+</I>&gt;<i> moving to /var/run and /var/lock on tmpfs) and IIRC the openvpn package
+</I>&gt;<i> in mga2 does this already.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Looking more closely however, I can see a few packaging bugs:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. &quot;systemd-tmpfiles --create&quot; is not run in the %post (before
+</I>&gt;<i> add-service helper) (note that on cauldron the command must be:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;systemd-tmpfiles --create openvpn.conf&quot;). This means that you'll need a
+</I>&gt;<i> reboot before openvpn will work on mga2 after installing it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. The tmpfile.d snippet is included in /etc/tmpfiles.d. This is wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i> It should be in /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/ (/etc is for admin overrides))
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> With the fix in 1. or a simple reboot, it should be working fine. I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> see about adding the fix to an update package.
+</I>
+Please track this issue via:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8200">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8200</A>
+
+Col
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Anne Wilson</B> 
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+On 24/11/12 20:05, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 11/24/2012 08:20 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In Cauldron, I'm once again struggling with the inability to make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> configuration changes.  I first met it and wrote about it when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> trying to get wifi working.  Now I'm trying to change shutdown
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> option, and meet the same problem again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Administrator authorisation is required to change the Login 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Manager settings&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have an I-take-everything cauldron or a pick-and-choose 
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron ?  Nobody ever seems to announce policy changes on this 
+</I>&gt;<i> ML, but I gather that the winds of favor have moved from
+</I>&gt;<i> ConsoleKit to PolicyKit (or maybe it's the other way around), so
+</I>&gt;<i> if, for example, ConsoleKit is now deprecated but you still have
+</I>&gt;<i> packages installed that want it, you might be getting the errors
+</I>&gt;<i> you mention below.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>I have a fairly standard setup with the usual sort of apps, most of my
+time being in using Dolphin, Chrome, Thunderbird with dips into
+various other apps.  I update by using 'urpmi --auto-update'.  These
+problems seem to have arrived very recently.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Unable to authenticate/execute the action: DBus Backend error: 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could not contact the helper.  Connection error: The name 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit was not provided by any .service 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> files. Message error: Did not receive a reply.  Possible causes 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> include: the remote application did not send a reply, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> expired, or the network connection was broken (code 7)&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Caulron was behaving so well until a couple of weeks or so ago. 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's driving me mad at the moment.  Is there any way out of this 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mess?  and also, asked in another thread, any way to stop it 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> locking my screen if I look away for a couple of minutes.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This was covered extensively in another thread.  KDE Power 
+</I>&gt;<i> Management is AFU at the moment.  If you have set PM to not turn 
+</I>&gt;<i> off the display no mattter what, it rolls the dice and chooses
+</I>&gt;<i> some random value for dpms, which determines when the screen
+</I>&gt;<i> blanks (thanks, Colin).  There's an open KDE bug for it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Ah - it's power management settings, then.  OK, I'll look at that.  I
+have been used to the screen blanking after quite a short time, but
+this insistence on a password is new behaviour.  I don't think it's a
+good idea for things to change dramatically without any sort of
+warning.  When the behaviour is the result of some other deep change
+it is hard to understand :-)
+
+&gt;<i> At present, about all you can do to stay sane is put &quot;xset -dpms&quot; 
+</I>&gt;<i> in your rc.local and also at the tail end of whatever scripts you 
+</I>&gt;<i> use for &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; (as any update to KDE PM will 
+</I>&gt;<i> probably undo the -dpms).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Thanks.  That's worth knowing about.
+
+Anne
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">50ADFC65.8080905 at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>I should write up a wiki page, but here is the details:
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+&gt;<i> # create tmpfiles directory
+</I>&gt;<i> install -d -m0755 %{buildroot}%{_prefix}/lib/tmpfiles.d
+</I>&gt;<i> install -m0644 %{SOURCEN}
+</I>&gt;<i>%{buildroot}%{_prefix}/lib/tmpfiles.d/%{name}.conf
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Make sure it's included in the %files section too:
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_prefix}/lib/tmpfiles.d/*.conf
+</I>
+Hi Colin,
+
+Thanks for these instructions. I've updated fail2ban accordingly and am 
+now in the process of doing inn. Running rpmlint on the spec file I did 
+find that it results in some warnings when following your instructions to 
+the letter:
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+./inn.spec:204: W: hardcoded-library-path in %{_prefix}/lib/tmpfiles.d
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+./inn.spec:205: W: hardcoded-library-path in 
+%{_prefix}/lib/tmpfiles.d/%{name}.conf
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+./inn.spec:333: W: hardcoded-library-path in 
+%{_prefix}/lib/tmpfiles.d/*.conf
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+Since there's no identification in the message, all I could suggest is a 
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+&gt;<i> After today's Cauldron update I find that my screen is locked
+</I>&gt;<i> frequently, requiring my password to unlock it.  Since I normally work
+</I>&gt;<i> with two laptops at the same time - Cauldron and M2 - this is a huge
+</I>&gt;<i> nuisance to me.  Where can I change that setting?
+</I>
+in System Settings
+Display and Monitor / Screen Locker
+either increase  value of &quot;Start automatically after&quot;, or uncheck it.
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+Regards,
+Luc
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+On 24/11/2012 20:38, John Balcaen wrote:
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/11/24 Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> On 11/24/2012 02:59 PM, John Balcaen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggest here: drop all ifcfg configuration files and switch to 
+</I>&gt;<i> keyfile plugin.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, in the spirit of Anne's original question, can you tell us 
+</I>&gt;<i> exactly what the keyfile plugin is and does, and how to use it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll volunteer to do a fresh install and test it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The keyfile plugin as said earlier is the default &amp; native plugin
+</I>&gt;<i> to use with networkmanager [1] In order to introduce nm on
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution using ifcfg files (redhat/fedora) the ifcfg-rh plugin
+</I>&gt;<i> has been wrote to read &amp; make nm able to use them (&amp; avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> interferences between nm &amp; the &#171; old &#187; scripts). So to use it you
+</I>&gt;<i> simply need to configure networkmanager by editing
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> For example on my workstation i've got : cat NetworkManager.conf 
+</I>&gt;<i> [main] plugins=keyfile dns=dnsmasq
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [keyfile] hostname=aker.cauldron.lan.littleboboy.net 
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://aker.cauldron.lan.littleboboy.net">http://aker.cauldron.lan.littleboboy.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> it's mean that i'm using the keyfile plugin (read [1] or man 
+</I>&gt;<i> NetworkManager.conf for more details) &amp; ask nm to to also start 
+</I>&gt;<i> dnsmasq for me. I also setup the hostname to set in nm in the
+</I>&gt;<i> keyfile section.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> There's also no need to do a &#171; fresh &#187; install to test/use it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="https://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/SystemSettings">https://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/SystemSettings</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>I confirm that following these instructions has enabled wireless
+connection to the LAN.  Thanks, guys.  Now to tackle other problems :-)
+
+Anne
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+    <B>Anne Wilson</B> 
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+On 25/11/2012 13:01, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 11/25/2012 04:04 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there somewhere I could check to find out what it is?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Since there's no identification in the message, all I could suggest
+</I>&gt;<i> is a brute-force search of all files on the root or /usr partitons
+</I>&gt;<i> for the string &quot;ConsoleKit&quot;, which appears in the error message.
+</I>&gt;<i> Then, identify the package which owns the file using rpmdrake.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Makes sense.  The only problem is I don't know how to do that.  I
+tried to use a combination of cat and grep, but there is no recursive
+flag, so that won't work.  How would you do it?
+
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+On 25/11/2012 13:50, Luc Menut wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 23/11/2012 21:07, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After today's Cauldron update I find that my screen is locked 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> frequently, requiring my password to unlock it.  Since I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> normally work with two laptops at the same time - Cauldron and M2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - this is a huge nuisance to me.  Where can I change that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> setting?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> in System Settings Display and Monitor / Screen Locker either 
+</I>&gt;<i> increase  value of &quot;Start automatically after&quot;, or uncheck it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Perfect!  Thanks for that.  I honestly know I didn't set it
+deliberately, but I guess I must have done so accidentally.
+
+Anne
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+This is purely informational - hoping that someone searching archives
+will find it useful.
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+Cauldron had recently been incredibly slow at bootup - 17 minutes to
+get to a functional desktop.  It is now back to the normal time for
+the netbook, between 1 and 2 minutes.  Only two things have changed.
+I assume the first one is the relevant one, but for the sake of
+completeness:
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+My problems with wireless connection are cured.  The way to tackle
+this is found in
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-November/020237.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-November/020237.html</A>
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+I removed some of the no-longer-used kernels, using MCC.  I do not
+expect this to be relevant, but it was done before I rebooted.
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+Hope this helps someone.
+
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+</I>&gt;<i> Makes sense.  The only problem is I don't know how to do that.  I
+</I>&gt;<i> tried to use a combination of cat and grep, but there is no recursive
+</I>&gt;<i> flag, so that won't work.  How would you do it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>You want a combination of find and grep.  GNOME used to (and maybe still 
+does) have a Search Files app that would do this for you.  KDE probably 
+does (maybe nepomuk), but I'm not aware of it.
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+&gt;<i> On 24 November 2012 17:01, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Much to the despair of my young nephews, it segfaults on :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhCIDe92iKQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhCIDe92iKQ</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This looks strongly like #6299 (symbols conflicts between firefox's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mozjs and mozjs185 pulled by libproxy).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It did not occur with the initial firefox version from Mageia 2, I think
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it started with firefox 13.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I suggest pushing to Mageia 2 updates libproxy-0.4.7-9 (or why not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 0.4.10-1 since it fixes more issues).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It fixed this crash
+</I>&gt;<i> Now just add the proper conflict tag in order to have a smooth upgrade:
+</I>&gt;<i> Conflicts: %{_lib}proxy1 &lt; 0.4.10
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (also in cauldron)
+</I>
+Great!
+Which conflict is this supposed to fix?
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+&gt;<i> 1. &quot;systemd-tmpfiles --create&quot; is not run in the %post (before
+</I>&gt;<i> add-service helper) (note that on cauldron the command must be:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;systemd-tmpfiles --create openvpn.conf&quot;). This means that you'll need a
+</I>&gt;<i> reboot before openvpn will work on mga2 after installing it.
+</I>
+Hi,
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+Shouldn't this be done through a rpm filetrigger?
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+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 24 November 2012 17:01, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Much to the despair of my young nephews, it segfaults on :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhCIDe92iKQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhCIDe92iKQ</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This looks strongly like #6299 (symbols conflicts between firefox's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mozjs and mozjs185 pulled by libproxy).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It did not occur with the initial firefox version from Mageia 2, I think
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it started with firefox 13.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I suggest pushing to Mageia 2 updates libproxy-0.4.7-9 (or why not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 0.4.10-1 since it fixes more issues).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It fixed this crash
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now just add the proper conflict tag in order to have a smooth upgrade:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Conflicts: %{_lib}proxy1 &lt; 0.4.10
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (also in cauldron)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Great!
+</I>&gt;<i> Which conflict is this supposed to fix?
+</I>
+I guess it's to ensure firefox cannot be installed without also updating
+the lib[64]proxy1.
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+Also surely:
+Conflicts: %{mklibname proxy 1} &lt; 0.4.10
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+Would be more correct here syntax wise (even if the result is the same)?
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+Hi,
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+Just fixing packaging for the above package and it fails to build.
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+It tries to do various things with git to clone remote repos etc. (which
+won't work on the BS) which may b e to bplame. Either way, this needs
+fixed somehow. I added netcat as a BR as that seemed the first error
+(tho' was ringing alarm bells already), so it should perhaps be reverted
+if it was a red-herring.
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+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121125155106.colin.valstar.5836/log/rabbitmq-server-2.8.5-2.mga3/build.0.20121125155203.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121125155106.colin.valstar.5836/log/rabbitmq-server-2.8.5-2.mga3/build.0.20121125155203.log</A>
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+Cheers
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+Col
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+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Couchdb seems to be split into couchdb and couchdb-bin.
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+This split seems daft to me. couchdb requires couchdb-bin and the only
+stuff in the couchdb package is config files...
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+Why is there this complicated split?
+
+Col
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+    <B>G&#246;tz Waschk</B> 
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+&gt;<i> All is in the subject.
+</I>Dear Andr&#233;,
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+I had packaged totem-plugin-arte for Mandriva, I can take a look at
+it. I'm not running Cauldron though, so I cannot test it if I import
+it. Anyone interested in testing a cauldron build?
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+Regards, G&#246;tz
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+&gt;<i> CC'ing maintainer
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Just fixing packaging for the above package and it fails to build.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It tries to do various things with git to clone remote repos etc. (which
+</I>&gt;<i> won't work on the BS) which may b e to bplame. Either way, this needs
+</I>&gt;<i> fixed somehow. I added netcat as a BR as that seemed the first error
+</I>&gt;<i> (tho' was ringing alarm bells already), so it should perhaps be reverted
+</I>&gt;<i> if it was a red-herring.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121125155106.colin.valstar.5836/log/rabbitmq-server-2.8.5-2.mga3/build.0.20121125155203.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121125155106.colin.valstar.5836/log/rabbitmq-server-2.8.5-2.mga3/build.0.20121125155203.log</A>
+</I>
+Hi Colin,
+
+Yes, I'm aware of that error. It was because of some strange version of
+eldap that they used. At that time, there was no obvious solution, so I
+just waited a bit. I'm just a bit swamped right now (until the end of
+next week) to fix it yet ...
+I'll try my best to fix it before beta 1 though.
+
+Cheers,
+-- 
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Couchdb seems to be split into couchdb and couchdb-bin.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This split seems daft to me. couchdb requires couchdb-bin and the only
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff in the couchdb package is config files...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Why is there this complicated split?
+</I>
+Is it so that couchdb can be noarch and shared across different
+architectures? With a small package, it might be overkill.
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+    <B>Liam R E Quin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Since there's no identification in the message, all I could suggest
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is a brute-force search of all files on the root or /usr partitons
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for the string &quot;ConsoleKit&quot;, which appears in the error message.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Then, identify the package which owns the file using rpmdrake.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> Makes sense.  The only problem is I don't know how to do that.  I
+</I>&gt;<i> tried to use a combination of cat and grep, but there is no recursive
+</I>&gt;<i> flag, so that won't work.  How would you do it?
+</I>
+(1) grep -l -r ConsoleKit .
+    this is easiest; -r is &quot;recursive&quot; But it will cross file system
+    boundaries, so if you do it from / it will go into /use and /media
+    and anywhere else it can find!
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+(2) find / /usr -type f -xdev -print0 | xargs -0 grep -l ConsoleKit
+    This is the usual &quot;find&quot; approach.
+    -type f means only print names of files, not directories, symbolic
+    links or device files...
+    -xdev means don't stray into other filesystems like /home
+    -print0 is the same as -print (prints each matching name) but prints
+    the filenames with a NUL (character 0, hence the 0 in -print0)
+    after each name, instead of putting each file on a separate line.
+    This is needed because of filenames containing spaces or newlines.
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+    xargs reads a list of files, one per line, or, with -0 (again the
+    digit zero) separated by NUL bytes; it runs the command on each of
+    the files
+
+    The -l option to grep says to print just the filename, needed in
+    case there are binaries that contain the string.
+
+Liam
+
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+-- 
+Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <A HREF="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</A>
+Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Le 25/11/2012 17:12, G&#246;tz Waschk a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andresalaun at free.fr</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All is in the subject.
+</I>&gt;<i> Dear Andr&#233;,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I had packaged totem-plugin-arte for Mandriva, I can take a look at
+</I>&gt;<i> it. I'm not running Cauldron though, so I cannot test it if I import
+</I>&gt;<i> it. Anyone interested in testing a cauldron build?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, G&#246;tz
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes, if this is ARTE fr/de TV
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This looks strongly like #6299 (symbols conflicts between firefox's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mozjs and mozjs185 pulled by libproxy).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It did not occur with the initial firefox version from Mageia 2, I think
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it started with firefox 13.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I suggest pushing to Mageia 2 updates libproxy-0.4.7-9 (or why not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 0.4.10-1 since it fixes more issues).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It fixed this crash
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now just add the proper conflict tag in order to have a smooth upgrade:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Conflicts: %{_lib}proxy1 &lt; 0.4.10
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (also in cauldron)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Great!
+</I>&gt;<i> Which conflict is this supposed to fix?
+</I>
+.........
+$ rpm -qR firefox |grep proxy
+libproxy.so.1()(64bit)
+
+However it won't run without latest libproxy and will just segfault with older
+libraries.
+Having proper versionned requires will ensure it will pull a working set of
+packages.
+Also having proper versionned requires in cauldron package means
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 25/11/12 15:19 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. &quot;systemd-tmpfiles --create&quot; is not run in the %post (before
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> add-service helper) (note that on cauldron the command must be:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;systemd-tmpfiles --create openvpn.conf&quot;). This means that you'll need a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reboot before openvpn will work on mga2 after installing it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Shouldn't this be done through a rpm filetrigger?
+</I>
+I don't think there is a way to specify which files triggered the file
+trigger is there?
+
+Basically we'd need to know the basename of the file that changed, also
+there are times when it has to be excluded (e.g. some files should not
+be run except at boot).
+
+For now I've been adding the relevant calls to the rpms that need them.
+It's pretty simple, but would be nice it it wasn't needed. It could, in
+most cases, be combined with %_post_service, but again, I'm not sure
+it's worth the hassle as there will always be cases where it needs to
+happen outside of this structure too.
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:20:21AM +0000, Colin wrote in
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">50ADFC65.8080905 at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I should write up a wiki page, but here is the details:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;snip&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # create tmpfiles directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install -d -m0755 %{buildroot}%{_prefix}/lib/tmpfiles.d
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install -m0644 %{SOURCEN}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %{buildroot}%{_prefix}/lib/tmpfiles.d/%{name}.conf
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Make sure it's included in the %files section too:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %{_prefix}/lib/tmpfiles.d/*.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Colin,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for these instructions. I've updated fail2ban accordingly and am
+</I>&gt;<i> now in the process of doing inn.
+</I>
+Awesome thanks :)
+
+&gt;<i> Running rpmlint on the spec file I did
+</I>&gt;<i> find that it results in some warnings when following your instructions
+</I>&gt;<i> to the letter:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> ./inn.spec:204: W: hardcoded-library-path in %{_prefix}/lib/tmpfiles.d
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> ./inn.spec:205: W: hardcoded-library-path in
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_prefix}/lib/tmpfiles.d/%{name}.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> ./inn.spec:333: W: hardcoded-library-path in
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_prefix}/lib/tmpfiles.d/*.conf
+</I>
+Today I've spend some time on this and added a few helper macros.
+
+
+You can now use:
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+%{_tmpfilesdir} in place of %{_prefix}/lib/tmpfiles.d
+
+You can also use:
+
+%_tmpfilescreate %{name}
+
+ rather than
+
+systemd-tmpfiles --create %{name}.conf
+
+
+That'll likely help keep things simpler and avoid a warning or two :)
+
+Oh and you can also just do:
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+ install -D -p -m 0644 %{SOURCEN} %{buildroot}%{_tmpfilesdir}/%{name}.conf
+
+Rather than creating the folder separately (the -D argument does this
+for you). -p isn't important but just preserves the timestamp of the
+source file which is mainly cosmetic.
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> Today I've spend some time on this and added a few helper macros.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+All this changes should end in a wiki ;-)
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+rdnssd done, I suppose I did not break anything as I still get IPv6 DNS 
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+&gt;<i> On 25 November 2012 16:15, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This looks strongly like #6299 (symbols conflicts between firefox's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mozjs and mozjs185 pulled by libproxy).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It did not occur with the initial firefox version from Mageia 2, I think
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it started with firefox 13.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I suggest pushing to Mageia 2 updates libproxy-0.4.7-9 (or why not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 0.4.10-1 since it fixes more issues).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It fixed this crash
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now just add the proper conflict tag in order to have a smooth upgrade:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Conflicts: %{_lib}proxy1 &lt; 0.4.10
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (also in cauldron)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Great!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which conflict is this supposed to fix?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> .........
+</I>&gt;<i> $ rpm -qR firefox |grep proxy
+</I>&gt;<i> libproxy.so.1()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However it won't run without latest libproxy and will just segfault with older
+</I>&gt;<i> libraries.
+</I>&gt;<i> Having proper versionned requires will ensure it will pull a working set of
+</I>&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> Also having proper versionned requires in cauldron package means
+</I>&gt;<i> that we'll know what to backport when pushing such an update.
+</I>
+It should be a Requires then, not a Conflicts, since firefox already
+requires libproxy.
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 25/11/12 15:19 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. &quot;systemd-tmpfiles --create&quot; is not run in the %post (before
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> add-service helper) (note that on cauldron the command must be:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;systemd-tmpfiles --create openvpn.conf&quot;). This means that you'll need a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reboot before openvpn will work on mga2 after installing it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Shouldn't this be done through a rpm filetrigger?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think there is a way to specify which files triggered the file
+</I>&gt;<i> trigger is there?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Basically we'd need to know the basename of the file that changed, also
+</I>&gt;<i> there are times when it has to be excluded (e.g. some files should not
+</I>&gt;<i> be run except at boot).
+</I>
+Looks like this list is available to the script from stdin, see
+/var/lib/rpm/filetriggers/httpd.script or
+/var/lib/rpm/filetriggers/pear.script
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Jose Jorge at 25/11/12 22:30 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 25/11/2012 21:55, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Today I've spend some time on this and added a few helper macros.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> All this changes should end in a wiki ;-)
+</I>
+I've bashed up a first version here:
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/System_Service_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/System_Service_policy</A>
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+Please feel free to improve it.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 25/11/12 23:31 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 25/11/12 15:19 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. &quot;systemd-tmpfiles --create&quot; is not run in the %post (before
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> add-service helper) (note that on cauldron the command must be:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;systemd-tmpfiles --create openvpn.conf&quot;). This means that you'll need a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reboot before openvpn will work on mga2 after installing it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Shouldn't this be done through a rpm filetrigger?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think there is a way to specify which files triggered the file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> trigger is there?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Basically we'd need to know the basename of the file that changed, also
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there are times when it has to be excluded (e.g. some files should not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be run except at boot).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks like this list is available to the script from stdin, see
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/lib/rpm/filetriggers/httpd.script or
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/lib/rpm/filetriggers/pear.script
+</I>
+OK good to know.
+
+Sadly the ordering is still wrong as this needs to be run after %pre but
+before any calls to %_post_service (i.e. in %post).
+
+As a result I don't think it's really possible to automate this. It
+could be added to a filetrigger for &quot;safety&quot; and baked into
+%_post_service but it still doesn't cover several corner cases, and I
+don't think it's really worth the bother personally.
+
+Col
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+    <B>Richard Couture</B> 
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+<PRE>I didn't mean to open a can of worms, but since it's open ...
+
+with script-security 2 added to the client.conf, openvpn starts just 
+fine with the command   systemctl restart <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">openvpn at client.service</A>  UNTIL 
+you add the parameter  auth-user-pass to the client.conf
+Once that param is added, openvpn refuses to start via systemD though it 
+starts just fine via sys5
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at pwyr</A> openvpn]# cd /etc/init.d/
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at pwyr</A> init.d]# ./openvpn restart
+Shutting down openvpn:                                     [  OK  ]
+Starting openvpn: Enter Auth Username:rrc
+Enter Auth Password:
+                                                            [  OK  ]
+Since were looking at openvpn, hopefully we can figure out what this is 
+all about as this param is EXTREMELY important to harden the security of 
+openvpn
+
+Thanks
+
+
+
+
+Richard
+
+
+
+On 11/25/2012 06:18 PM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 25/11/12 23:31 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;  writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 25/11/12 15:19 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;  writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. &quot;systemd-tmpfiles --create&quot; is not run in the %post (before
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> add-service helper) (note that on cauldron the command must be:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;systemd-tmpfiles --create openvpn.conf&quot;). This means that you'll need a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reboot before openvpn will work on mga2 after installing it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Shouldn't this be done through a rpm filetrigger?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think there is a way to specify which files triggered the file
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> trigger is there?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Basically we'd need to know the basename of the file that changed, also
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> there are times when it has to be excluded (e.g. some files should not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be run except at boot).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> Looks like this list is available to the script from stdin, see
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /var/lib/rpm/filetriggers/httpd.script or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /var/lib/rpm/filetriggers/pear.script
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK good to know.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sadly the ordering is still wrong as this needs to be run after %pre but
+</I>&gt;<i> before any calls to %_post_service (i.e. in %post).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a result I don't think it's really possible to automate this. It
+</I>&gt;<i> could be added to a filetrigger for &quot;safety&quot; and baked into
+</I>&gt;<i> %_post_service but it still doesn't cover several corner cases, and I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't think it's really worth the bother personally.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Freepats is a project to create a free and open set of GUS
+</I>&gt;<i> compatible patches that can be used with softsynths such as
+</I>&gt;<i> Timidity and WildMidi. They are verified to contain no non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> restriction. Freepats is distributed under GPL v2 or later, with
+</I>&gt;<i> the follow exception clause about the relation of MIDI composition
+</I>&gt;<i> and patches:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> =========================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> As a special exception, if you create a composition which uses
+</I>&gt;<i> these patches, and mix these patches or unaltered portions of
+</I>&gt;<i> these patches into the composition, these patches do not by
+</I>&gt;<i> themselves cause the resulting composition to be covered by the
+</I>&gt;<i> GNU General Public License. This exception does not however
+</I>&gt;<i> invalidate any other reasons why the document might be covered
+</I>&gt;<i> by the GNU General Public License. If you modify these patches,
+</I>&gt;<i> you may extend this exception to your version of the patches,
+</I>&gt;<i> but you are not obligated to do so. If you do not wish to do so,
+</I>&gt;<i> delete this exception statement from your version.
+</I>&gt;<i> ==========================================================
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This patch set is of limited quality, because some instruments are
+</I>&gt;<i> still missing. For personal use, feel free to use other patch sets
+</I>&gt;<i> (such as eawpatches which has excellent quality, but the site is
+</I>&gt;<i> no more), or other free soundfonts.
+</I>This seems a bit excessive as package description...
+
+&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 20060219-15.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 321971
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix group
+</I>hmmm :)
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+&gt;<i> oden &lt;oden&gt; 3:5.4.9-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 321559
+</I>&gt;<i> - maybe better configure line now...
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i> - remove pok crap
+</I>This kind of comment is perfectly unadequate here. Moreover, it doesn't 
+even give any clue to anyone reading the changelog about what kind of 
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+&gt;&gt;<i> - remove pok crap
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This kind of comment is perfectly unadequate here. Moreover, it doesn't even
+</I>&gt;<i> give any clue to anyone reading the changelog about what kind of change it
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you didn't want too, then comment out the alias (and any others that get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on your nerves:) ) from /etc/profile.d/60alias.sh
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+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i> did that too, old school, when I do rm, I want to do rm :)
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+    <B>Jehan Pag&#232;s</B> 
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+On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jehan Pag&#232;s &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jehan.marmottard at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am trying to install some software and get the error:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;&lt;
+</I>&gt;<i>  L'installation a &#233;chou&#233;, certains fichiers sont manquants :
+</I>&gt;<i>     <A HREF="rsync://">rsync://</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Vous devriez mettre &#224; jour votre base de donn&#233;es urpmi.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Essayer de continuer n&#233;anmoins ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> (basically the rsync failed)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;configure media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using
+</I>&gt;<i> the $MIRRORLIST default until now).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [Side-note: the other mirror in Japan also had faulty tainted repos. I
+</I>&gt;<i> wonder if there is a problem with Japan politics maybe about tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> softwares?]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>About my side note, I realize today that Japanese servers seem still down
+(or &quot;again&quot;? Since I used alternate servers since this problem I had weeks
+ago, I don't know). Have Mageia's Japanese contributor abandonned Mageia?
+Thanks.
+
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jehan Pag&#232;s &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jehan.marmottard at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am trying to install some software and get the error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;&lt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  L'installation a &#233;chou&#233;, certains fichiers sont manquants :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="rsync://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm">rsync://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Vous devriez mettre &#224; jour votre base de donn&#233;es urpmi.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Essayer de continuer n&#233;anmoins ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (basically the rsync failed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;configure media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the $MIRRORLIST default until now).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [Side-note: the other mirror in Japan also had faulty tainted repos. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wonder if there is a problem with Japan politics maybe about tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> softwares?]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> About my side note, I realize today that Japanese servers seem still down
+</I>&gt;<i> (or &quot;again&quot;? Since I used alternate servers since this problem I had weeks
+</I>&gt;<i> ago, I don't know). Have Mageia's Japanese contributor abandonned Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>
+The mirror is not down, you are using a wrong address. The correct
+address for the Mageia mirror is
+ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/mageia/distrib/2/
+(in your link the /Linux/ is missing)
+
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+I've uploaded the packages needed to get cinnamon working with Mageia.
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+I don't have submission privileges so I'll need someone to review the
+packages and then kick
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+It's a lot nicer than gnome3.   I'm in the process of trying to figure out
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+    <B>Anne Wilson</B> 
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+Hash: SHA1
+
+On 25/11/12 17:22, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 14:01 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Since there's no identification in the message, all I could 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> suggest is a brute-force search of all files on the root or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr partitons for the string &quot;ConsoleKit&quot;, which appears in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the error message. Then, identify the package which owns the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file using rpmdrake.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Makes sense.  The only problem is I don't know how to do that.  I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  tried to use a combination of cat and grep, but there is no 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recursive flag, so that won't work.  How would you do it?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> (1) grep -l -r ConsoleKit . this is easiest; -r is &quot;recursive&quot; But
+</I>&gt;<i> it will cross file system boundaries, so if you do it from / it
+</I>&gt;<i> will go into /use and /media and anywhere else it can find!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> (2) find / /usr -type f -xdev -print0 | xargs -0 grep -l ConsoleKit
+</I>&gt;<i>  This is the usual &quot;find&quot; approach. -type f means only print names
+</I>&gt;<i> of files, not directories, symbolic links or device files... -xdev
+</I>&gt;<i> means don't stray into other filesystems like /home -print0 is the
+</I>&gt;<i> same as -print (prints each matching name) but prints the filenames
+</I>&gt;<i> with a NUL (character 0, hence the 0 in -print0) after each name,
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of putting each file on a separate line. This is needed
+</I>&gt;<i> because of filenames containing spaces or newlines.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> xargs reads a list of files, one per line, or, with -0 (again the 
+</I>&gt;<i> digit zero) separated by NUL bytes; it runs the command on each of
+</I>&gt;<i>  the files
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The -l option to grep says to print just the filename, needed in
+</I>&gt;<i> case there are binaries that contain the string.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Perfect.  The 'find' returns
+
+/usr/lib/libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0
+/usr/lib/packagekitd
+/usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core-1.so.1.103.0
+/usr/bin/xdm
+/usr/bin/gnome-session
+/usr/share/doc/nautilus/NEWS
+/usr/share/doc/dbus/NEWS
+/usr/share/doc/networkmanager-applet/ChangeLog
+/usr/share/doc/sane-backends-1.0.23/ChangeLog
+/usr/share/doc/gnome-power-manager/NEWS
+/usr/share/gtk-doc/html/gio/gdbus.html
+/usr/share/gtk-doc/html/NetworkManager/ref-migrating.html
+/root/.bash_history
+/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db
+/var/lib/rpm/Providename
+/var/run.runmove~/ConsoleKit/database
+/var/log/journal/2d49f2c66f3a45939d7973a4109a2e81/<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">system at 0004cf2cec30ebaa-f4cbcc04fef75c0b.journal</A>~
+/var/log/journal/2d49f2c66f3a45939d7973a4109a2e81/<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">system at 0004ce3e93292fec-435b91656aa64987.journal</A>~
+/etc/security/msec/perm.netbook
+/etc/security/msec/perm.standard
+/etc/security/msec/perm.webserver
+/etc/security/msec/perm.fileserver
+/etc/security/msec/perm.secure
+/usr/lib/libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0
+/usr/lib/packagekitd
+/usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core-1.so.1.103.0
+/usr/bin/xdm
+/usr/bin/gnome-session
+/usr/share/doc/nautilus/NEWS
+/usr/share/doc/dbus/NEWS
+/usr/share/doc/networkmanager-applet/ChangeLog
+/usr/share/doc/sane-backends-1.0.23/ChangeLog
+/usr/share/doc/gnome-power-manager/NEWS
+/usr/share/gtk-doc/html/gio/gdbus.html
+/usr/share/gtk-doc/html/NetworkManager/ref-migrating.html
+
+Anne
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 26/11/2012 14:23, Joseph Wang a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 25/11/12 17:22, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 14:01 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Since there's no identification in the message, all I could
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> suggest is a brute-force search of all files on the root or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr partitons for the string &quot;ConsoleKit&quot;, which appears in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the error message. Then, identify the package which owns the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file using rpmdrake.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Makes sense.  The only problem is I don't know how to do that.  I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   tried to use a combination of cat and grep, but there is no
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> recursive flag, so that won't work.  How would you do it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (1) grep -l -r ConsoleKit . this is easiest; -r is &quot;recursive&quot; But
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it will cross file system boundaries, so if you do it from / it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will go into /use and /media and anywhere else it can find!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (2) find / /usr -type f -xdev -print0 | xargs -0 grep -l ConsoleKit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   This is the usual &quot;find&quot; approach. -type f means only print names
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of files, not directories, symbolic links or device files... -xdev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> means don't stray into other filesystems like /home -print0 is the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> same as -print (prints each matching name) but prints the filenames
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with a NUL (character 0, hence the 0 in -print0) after each name,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instead of putting each file on a separate line. This is needed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because of filenames containing spaces or newlines.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> xargs reads a list of files, one per line, or, with -0 (again the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> digit zero) separated by NUL bytes; it runs the command on each of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   the files
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The -l option to grep says to print just the filename, needed in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> case there are binaries that contain the string.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perfect.  The 'find' returns
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/packagekitd
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core-1.so.1.103.0
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+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/doc/networkmanager-applet/ChangeLog
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/doc/sane-backends-1.0.23/ChangeLog
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/doc/gnome-power-manager/NEWS
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+</I>&gt;<i> From: Joseph Wang&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">joequant at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've uploaded the packages needed to get cinnamon working with Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> These include
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cinnamon
+</I>&gt;<i> nemo
+</I>&gt;<i> muffin
+</I>&gt;<i> task-cinnamon
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't have submission privileges so I'll need someone to review the
+</I>&gt;<i> packages and then kick
+</I>&gt;<i> off the build.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's a lot nicer than gnome3.   I'm in the process of trying to figure out
+</I>&gt;<i> how to package some
+</I>&gt;<i> extra themes and applets.
+</I>
+Please we have already spoken about all this. We will not have cinnamon 
+or anything related to this in Mageia.
+
+We will then remove it.
+
+
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi all,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&amp;#39;ve uploaded the packages needed to get cinnamon workin=
+</I>&gt;<i> g with Mageia.=A0 These include&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;cinnamon&lt;br&gt;nemo&lt;br&gt;muffin&lt;br&gt;task-c=
+</I>&gt;<i> innamon&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&amp;#39;t have submission privileges so I&amp;#39;ll need some=
+</I>&gt;<i> one to review the packages and then kick&lt;br&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> off the build.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&amp;#39;s a lot nicer than gnome3.=A0=A0 I&amp;#39;m in th=
+</I>&gt;<i> e process of trying to figure out how to package some&lt;br&gt;extra themes and a=
+</I>&gt;<i> pplets.&lt;br&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --047d7b343e36ca209804cf65d5c4--
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+Anne
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+    <B>Joseph Wang</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Cinnamon&In-Reply-To=%3CCAPoeEY9nFT1kuYV7pjc8vbTDTOz7iK8AJ3fFFWhFr44C8y%2BbXw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+</I>&gt;<i> There has already been zillions of discussions about this. We will not
+</I>&gt;<i> have Cinnamon. We already have enough environments and not enough
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainers. And it will cause troubles maintaining different versions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I volunteer to maintain cinnamon.  I've already ported it from fedora.  I
+did
+it because no one told me not to do it.
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+Please try to follow this. An open source project does not mean anybody
+&gt;<i> can do whatever he wants. We must keep some kind of logic and stay
+</I>&gt;<i> realistic given the resources we have at the moment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+There's this thing about not pushing away resources that are being
+volunteered.
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+I've packaged cinnamon because I want to install it on my own machine. I
+spent
+10-12 hours a day taking orders from my boss, and working on community
+projects
+is the way that I relax.  If you want to use my work then that's great.  If
+it turns out
+that the X hours that I put into making cinnamon work on mageia is a waste,
+then
+I'll wipe mageia and install fedora or ubuntu or scientific linux or mint.
+
+I have very little tolerance for politics or long winded discussions or
+strategy
+discussion.  I get enough of that in my day job.  I've just packaged
+cinnamon and
+nemo.  If someone says thank you, provides some suggestions for fixing
+things,
+and then takes it, I'll be happy.  If not, then I'll wipe my disk and work
+on another distro.
+
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+<PRE>26.11.2012 15:23, Joseph Wang kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've uploaded the packages needed to get cinnamon working with
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.  These include
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cinnamon
+</I>&gt;<i> nemo
+</I>&gt;<i> muffin
+</I>&gt;<i> task-cinnamon
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't have submission privileges so I'll need someone to review the
+</I>&gt;<i> packages and then kick
+</I>&gt;<i> off the build.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's a lot nicer than gnome3.   I'm in the process of trying to figure
+</I>&gt;<i> out how to package some
+</I>&gt;<i> extra themes and applets.
+</I>Hmm, have you missed that there will be no Cinnamon in Mageia repos?
+Part of packagers &quot;job&quot; is to keep eye on the dev ml.
+FYI: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-November/020196.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-November/020196.html</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 26/11/12 03:02 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I didn't mean to open a can of worms, but since it's open ...
+</I>
+No worries. No worms here, just discussing some packaging related stuff.
+
+&gt;<i> with script-security 2 added to the client.conf, openvpn starts just
+</I>&gt;<i> fine with the command   systemctl restart <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">openvpn at client.service</A>
+</I>
+Yes, the script-security stuff needs to go into the config. The sysvinit
+script had a horrible hack to work around this not being there, but it's
+really just that - a hack - and such black magic shouldn't be encouraged!
+
+&gt;<i> UNTIL
+</I>&gt;<i> you add the parameter  auth-user-pass to the client.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> Once that param is added, openvpn refuses to start via systemD 
+</I>
+(small point, it's systemd, not systemD :))
+
+&gt;<i> though it
+</I>&gt;<i> starts just fine via sys5
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at pwyr</A> openvpn]# cd /etc/init.d/
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at pwyr</A> init.d]# ./openvpn restart
+</I>&gt;<i> Shutting down openvpn:                                     [  OK  ]
+</I>&gt;<i> Starting openvpn: Enter Auth Username:rrc
+</I>&gt;<i> Enter Auth Password:
+</I>&gt;<i>                                                            [  OK  ]
+</I>&gt;<i> Since were looking at openvpn, hopefully we can figure out what this is
+</I>&gt;<i> all about as this param is EXTREMELY important to harden the security of
+</I>&gt;<i> openvpn
+</I>
+Right, I guess this is simply because it's using a somewhat legacy
+method of getting the password form the user...
+
+It should really hook into the system used by other components to get
+passwords from the user, including during early boot. This is used e.g.
+to get the password for encrypted disk partitions and works nicely with
+Plymouth for eye-candy as well as via the command line and even via
+desktop environments if appropriate.
+
+<A HREF="http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PasswordAgents">http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PasswordAgents</A>
+
+I guess I'll need to look more into it to see what can be (or has been)
+done to address this. It should be relatively simple in theory...
+
+If you are a hacker, feel free to look into this! (I've not googled or
+anything so perhaps someone has done this already)
+
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>G&#246;tz Waschk</B> 
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+<PRE>On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Jose Jorge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> I had packaged totem-plugin-arte for Mandriva, I can take a look at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it. I'm not running Cauldron though, so I cannot test it if I import
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it. Anyone interested in testing a cauldron build?
+</I>Dear All,
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+totem-plugin-arte works fine on Mageia 2 but fails to build in Cauldron:
+valac --library=arteplus7 arteplus7.vala arteparser.vala cache.vala
+url-extractor.vala video.vala video-list-view.vala
+connection-status.vala --pkg Totem-1.0 --pkg PeasGtk-1.0 --pkg
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+-shared --Xcc=&quot;-D GETTEXT_PACKAGE=\&quot;totem-arte\&quot;&quot; -g -o
+libarteplus7.so
+connection-status.vala:84.44-84.58: error: Argument 1: Cannot convert
+from `ConnectionStatus.proxy_signal_cb' to `GLib.DBusProxy.g_signal'
+            this.NMProxy.g_signal.connect (proxy_signal_cb);
+                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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+Regards, G&#246;tz
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+On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> 2012/11/26 Jehan Pag&#232;s &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jehan.marmottard at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jehan Pag&#232;s &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jehan.marmottard at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I am trying to install some software and get the error:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &lt;&lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;  L'installation a &#233;chou&#233;, certains fichiers sont manquants :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="rsync://">rsync://</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Vous devriez mettre &#224; jour votre base de donn&#233;es urpmi.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Essayer de continuer n&#233;anmoins ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (basically the rsync failed)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;configure media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was
+</I>&gt;<i> using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the $MIRRORLIST default until now).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; [Side-note: the other mirror in Japan also had faulty tainted repos. I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; wonder if there is a problem with Japan politics maybe about tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; softwares?]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; About my side note, I realize today that Japanese servers seem still down
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (or &quot;again&quot;? Since I used alternate servers since this problem I had
+</I>&gt;<i> weeks
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ago, I don't know). Have Mageia's Japanese contributor abandonned Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The mirror is not down, you are using a wrong address. The correct
+</I>&gt;<i> address for the Mageia mirror is
+</I>&gt;<i> ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/mageia/distrib/2/
+</I>&gt;<i> (in your link the /Linux/ is missing)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks for the answer. That was a copy-paste I did at the time though, so
+it was definitely not me who explicitely wrote it. If I remember, this one
+was what gave me the $MIRRORLIST at the time. Anyway that was not this
+mirror I was speaking about in my email just now because it apparently
+disappeared from the source management software! In the list of specific
+mirror, there is now only 1 remaining Japanese mirror: JAIST.
+
+I just tried it again, all &quot;Tainted *&quot; mirror from JAIST are broken (curl
+fail). For instance:
+<A HREF="http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/Linux/Mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release">http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/Linux/Mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release</A>
+
+As I said the other day, if the only broken mirrors are the tainted ones
+(all of them, and none of the rest), that may be on purpose. Shouldn't
+someone contact JAIST?
+
+Jehan
+
+ --
+&gt;<i> wobo
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+    <B>Jehan Pag&#232;s</B> 
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+
+
+On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> 2012/11/26 Jehan Pag&#232;s &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jehan.marmottard at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jehan Pag&#232;s &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jehan.marmottard at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I am trying to install some software and get the error:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &lt;&lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;  L'installation a &#233;chou&#233;, certains fichiers sont manquants :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="rsync://">rsync://</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Vous devriez mettre &#224; jour votre base de donn&#233;es urpmi.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Essayer de continuer n&#233;anmoins ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (basically the rsync failed)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;configure media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was
+</I>&gt;<i> using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the $MIRRORLIST default until now).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; [Side-note: the other mirror in Japan also had faulty tainted repos. I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; wonder if there is a problem with Japan politics maybe about tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; softwares?]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; About my side note, I realize today that Japanese servers seem still down
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (or &quot;again&quot;? Since I used alternate servers since this problem I had
+</I>&gt;<i> weeks
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ago, I don't know). Have Mageia's Japanese contributor abandonned Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The mirror is not down, you are using a wrong address. The correct
+</I>&gt;<i> address for the Mageia mirror is
+</I>&gt;<i> ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/mageia/distrib/2/
+</I>&gt;<i> (in your link the /Linux/ is missing)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks for the answer. That was a copy-paste I did at the time though, so
+it was definitely
+
+&gt;<i>  --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
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+    <B>Joseph Wang</B> 
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+bye,
+bye Mageia.  I've been working pretty closely with the Fedora people in
+getting
+pyp2rpm working.   Pyp2rpm just went 1.0.0 and there was a mageia module
+for it, but it looks like that someone else is going to have to maintain it.
+
+Some parting words
+
+1) You really need to do a better job communicating with new people.  I
+spent
+several weeks just waiting for someone to contact me, and it's been a pain
+trying to in touch with the community.
+
+2) I ended up packaging cinnamon for my own amusement.  I've gotten it to
+work quite nicely on my machine.  One thing that annoys me on in my day
+job is spending more effort trying to get something done than to just do it.
+
+3) Something that you have to realize about volunteers is that volunteers
+are
+volunteers.  In my day job, I get paid a large amount of money so that I do
+what the boss tells me to do.  Unless you have that sort of money, there is
+no reason for my to take orders from you.  You might be able to persuade me
+to do something by being nice and flattery always works, but remember that
+I'm a volunteer, and you aren't the only project I can spend my time on.
+
+4) I like to program because it's fun.  I like packaging stuff because it's
+interesting.  If you make it so that it isn't fun and you don't pay me $$$$,
+then there is no reason to do it.  At work, I have to take orders.  Boss
+tells
+me to do something and I don't do it, I get fired and I lose my $$$$.
+Unless
+you are paying me, there's no reason why I have to listen to you.
+
+5) One reason I wanted to package cinnamon is that the cinnamon people
+are *nice people*.  There is this annoying bug on my machine, but since they
+are nice, I might just pull out the debugger and fix it.  The problem with
+not
+being *nice* is that if you push away newbies, then you don't have people
+to
+work on these things.
+
+6) The big reason I haven't posted before is that I like to code.  I hate
+politics.
+I hate mailing list flames.  I hate discussions.  I just want to make
+things work
+on my machine.  I'll endure politics, mailing list flames, long winded
+discussions
+if there is a reason for it.  Rather than spending 12 hours trying to
+discussion
+whether to package cinnamon, I just rolled up my sleeves and I did it.
+It's not
+ready for &quot;prime time&quot; because there is an annoying bug involved with it,
+but I was
+planning on rolling up my sleeves and fixing that bug.
+
+Anyway, gnome is in a death spiral
+
+no volunteers -&gt; more politics -&gt; fewer volunteers -&gt; even more politics
+
+I've used Mageia long enough so that it would be a shame if it went into
+the
+same death spiral.  But it's not my problem.  I just want to have fun and
+code.
+
+Coding is fun.  Office politics isn't.  I'm looking for somewhere that I
+can
+code and play without office politics.  I was hoping that Mageia was that
+place, but it looks like it isn't......
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+<PRE>On Monday 26. November 2012 14.50, Jehan Pag&#232;s wrote:
+&gt;<i> I just tried it again, all &quot;Tainted *&quot; mirror from JAIST are broken
+</I>
+Mirroring &#171;Tainted&#187; is not required because it contains patented software, and in some countries distributing patented software without a patent license is illegal.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+[friendly request: please try and post in plain text to mailing lists -
+makes it much easier when you're reading numerous different messages
+every day to not have to adapt to the different styles]
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+
+Firstly thanks for your work.
+
+'Twas brillig, and Joseph Wang at 26/11/12 13:38 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>     There has already been zillions of discussions about this. We will not
+</I>&gt;<i>     have Cinnamon. We already have enough environments and not enough
+</I>&gt;<i>     maintainers. And it will cause troubles maintaining different versions.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I volunteer to maintain cinnamon.  I've already ported it from fedora. 
+</I>&gt;<i> I did
+</I>&gt;<i> it because no one told me not to do it.
+</I>
+Unfortunately this has been discussed a few times in the past on this
+list. Your mentor should maybe have highlighted this to you when you
+discussed packaging cinnamon with them. They maybe missed these
+discussions also however.
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>     Please try to follow this. An open source project does not mean anybody
+</I>&gt;<i>     can do whatever he wants. We must keep some kind of logic and stay
+</I>&gt;<i>     realistic given the resources we have at the moment.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> There's this thing about not pushing away resources that are being
+</I>&gt;<i> volunteered.
+</I>
+This is true, and there is no doubt that we need more resources, but in
+this case it could cost more than it gains. We have had issues in the
+past of the packages for these alternative DEs causing issues for the
+core DEs due to the packages satisfying dep's required by the core packages.
+
+So while you may have packaged Cinnamon and tested that *it* works, have
+you tested it in a repository along with all the other packages we have,
+installing e.g. a gnome install and double checking that none of the
+cinnamon packages have been pulled in to satisfy deps (incorrectly)?
+
+Perhaps you have, but the &quot;resources&quot; required to support a new DE is
+not simply on the packaging. It's in the QA and it's in the testing of
+the fallout to other installs when those packages simply exist in the
+repos. This is what often takes the most resources.
+
+There is a lot more to this than simply making a bunch of packages.
+
+&gt;<i> I've packaged cinnamon because I want to install it on my own machine. I
+</I>&gt;<i> spent
+</I>&gt;<i> 10-12 hours a day taking orders from my boss, and working on community
+</I>&gt;<i> projects
+</I>&gt;<i> is the way that I relax.  If you want to use my work then that's great. 
+</I>&gt;<i> If it turns out
+</I>&gt;<i> that the X hours that I put into making cinnamon work on mageia is a
+</I>&gt;<i> waste, then
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll wipe mageia and install fedora or ubuntu or scientific linux or mint.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I have very little tolerance for politics or long winded discussions or
+</I>&gt;<i> strategy
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion.  I get enough of that in my day job.  I've just packaged
+</I>&gt;<i> cinnamon and
+</I>&gt;<i> nemo.  If someone says thank you, provides some suggestions for fixing
+</I>&gt;<i> things,
+</I>&gt;<i> and then takes it, I'll be happy.  If not, then I'll wipe my disk and
+</I>&gt;<i> work on another distro.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So what do you want me to do?
+</I>
+Well you've clearly put a lot of work into this. While we have decided
+in the short term to not support cinnamon, this is not necessarily a
+&quot;forever&quot; decision, however at this stage of the release, it's likely
+one that will not be able to be reverted until post-mga3, and even then
+there is no guarantee.
+
+All of your work is in Subversion. I'm personally fine if they stay
+there and are not svn rm'ed and you can continue to keep them up-to-date
+as per your own uses should you wish.
+
+If you are keen to push this through, then I'm afraid you likely will
+have to get involved in discussions about it.
+
+
+Also, if you really do wish to have this supported, then you should
+likely keep on packaging and hopefully find some of the many
+unmaintained packages to adopt and prove that you will be sticking
+around for a while and not abandon maintenance in the future for
+whatever reason.
+
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+    <B>Jehan Pag&#232;s</B> 
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+On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Monday 26. November 2012 14.50, Jehan Pag&#232;s wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I just tried it again, all &quot;Tainted *&quot; mirror from JAIST are broken
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mirroring &#171;Tainted&#187; is not required because it contains patented software,
+</I>&gt;<i> and in some countries distributing patented software without a patent
+</I>&gt;<i> license is illegal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I see. Well would be nice to have a UI change to say this. Because the user
+experience right now is not great (basically &quot;damn the installation
+fails&quot;). :-)
+
+Jehan
+
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+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Johnny A. Solbu
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+Regards.
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+    <B>Jan Ciger</B> 
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+On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Well you've clearly put a lot of work into this. While we have decided
+</I>&gt;<i> in the short term to not support cinnamon, this is not necessarily a
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;forever&quot; decision, however at this stage of the release, it's likely
+</I>&gt;<i> one that will not be able to be reverted until post-mga3, and even then
+</I>&gt;<i> there is no guarantee.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I am jumping into the middle of this, so I am sure to get flamed, but why
+not do the obvious thing and put it in contribs for the time being? That
+should deal with the QA and support issues and at the same time the work
+will not be lost. It would also let cinnamon mature a bit.
+
+Best,
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     Well you've clearly put a lot of work into this. While we have decided
+</I>&gt;<i>     in the short term to not support cinnamon, this is not necessarily a
+</I>&gt;<i>     &quot;forever&quot; decision, however at this stage of the release, it's likely
+</I>&gt;<i>     one that will not be able to be reverted until post-mga3, and even then
+</I>&gt;<i>     there is no guarantee.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am jumping into the middle of this, so I am sure to get flamed, but
+</I>&gt;<i> why not do the obvious thing and put it in contribs for the time being?
+</I>&gt;<i> That should deal with the QA and support issues and at the same time the
+</I>&gt;<i> work will not be lost. It would also let cinnamon mature a bit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+Ummm.. we dont have any &quot;Contribs&quot; media :)
+
+--
+Thomas
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+    <B>Jan Ciger</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Jan Ciger skrev 26.11.2012 16:33:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ummm.. we dont have any &quot;Contribs&quot; media :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+
+Oops. I guess my Mandriva past shows. Maybe it would be an opportunity to
+start it then - there is non-free and tainted already. Having a repo for
+such community-contributed software with a big UNSUPPORTED disclaimer would
+be useful.
+
+/* crawls back under his rock */
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Anyway, gnome is in a death spiral
+</I>
+If you don't like flames, don't start one.
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+    <B>Joseph Wang</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hmm, have you missed that there will be no Cinnamon in Mageia repos?
+</I>&gt;<i> Part of packagers &quot;job&quot; is to keep eye on the dev ml.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Maybe I'll stay on for another day or so.  I've been using Mageia/Mandriva
+for years,
+and so I'll keep it on my disk for another two or three days.
+
+Let me tell you about my day.  I go to work, I work for 12 hours a day.  I
+come
+home.  On a good day, I have maybe an hour or two to work on my hobby.
+I might have a few hours to work on weekends.  But I have a *job* and
+*kids*.
+
+I find coding relaxing.  I find packaging relaxing and educational.  I've
+actually
+learned a lot about rpm.  I've also learned a lot about how cinnamon works.
+
+But I have a *job*.  Here I'm a volunteer.  I got cinnamon working for my
+own
+amusement.  if I have to spend lots of time keeping track of e-mail
+discussions,
+then I'm just not going to have the time to do anything &quot;real.&quot;  I find
+coding *fun*.
+I find office politics and taking orders *not fun*.
+
+And I've been quiet, because I'm a newbie.  I keep my mouth shut, and watch
+what's going on before I say anything.  If I feel like I fit in, I stay.
+If not, I don't.
+
+I have a dozen or so packages in the queue.  I've been working with the
+Fedora
+to get a python to rpm conversion script working, and I have about a dozen
+python packages that are ready to be uploaded.  I'm interested in creating
+a first
+rate platform for astronomy.  I've got ds9 working.  I've packaged glamor,
+and I've
+gotten an open source ati driver working for Radeonsi.  I want to start
+packaging heavy duty astrophysics code on Mageia.
+
+If you find this useful.  Then take it.  If not, I'll find somewhere else.
+Say thank you
+and smile at me, and I'm a sucker, and I'll keep doing it.
+
+But remember I have a *job*.  If this starts feeling like *work* then
+there's no
+reason for me to be here.  I'll put up with some politics if it means
+getting something
+useful done in the end, and I'll spend a lot of time if I learn something,
+but my
+time is precious, and I could have been spending the last hour trying to
+get some
+more themes packaged rather than writing useless e-mail (and I hate e-mail,
+I get enough of this non-sense at work).
+
+I've been using Mageia/Mandriva for years, so I'll wait a few days before
+wiping
+my disk to see how people react.  I'll keep packaging and debugging stuff.
+I
+*will* work on cinnamon, because I think it's a cool desktop.  There is one
+major
+bug, that I'd like to help fix.  You can't tell me to stop working on
+cinnamon.
+
+You can keep cinnamon out of the distribution, but that's up to you.....
+
+Also, in case someone wants to have a discussion rather than *ordering* me
+to do something....
+
+I really don't think that cinnamon is ready for Mageia 3.  There are some
+pretty
+major bugs in it, and it's not ready for prime time.  It would be useful to
+keep it
+in the testing section, and then target it for Mageia 4.  I do think it
+would be a
+good idea to at least start looking at alternatives to Gnome 3 since they
+are
+self-destructing, and I've been *extremely* impressed by cinnamon (minus two
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Joseph Wang at 26/11/12 14:07 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> If Mageia won't accept the work that I just did packaging cinnamon, then
+</I>&gt;<i> bye, bye Mageia. 
+</I>
+It's a shame that you feel the need to write such an email after an
+incredibly minimal discussion on the topic.
+
+It's basically an ultimatum stating: let X into the repositories or I'm
+going.
+
+You've clearly spent time on Cinnamon but at no point did I see you post
+any emails regarding these plans here.
+
+Part of contributing (and we certainly need contributors) is
+collaboration. Communicating with others, even when they work on stuff
+that you don't personally use (or even like!), is an essential part of
+that process. Had you done this earlier then the current decisions
+regarding cinnamon would have happened much sooner.
+
+Also if you don't really want to &quot;get involved in the politics&quot; then I'm
+not sure what to say. Everyone has to be involved to some degree to help
+steer things in the right direction that works for as many people as
+possible. Without being involved you won't be able to represent the
+projects you care about. We need people to take an active interest, but
+if you're just interested in packaging stuff in a small bubble, separate
+from everything else, then I'm not sure it would work out that well anyway.
+
+I hope you reconsider, but you *will* have to get more involved if you
+want to do that. It's an essential part of the community.
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;nofollow&quot;? Or should i use something else to search our archives?
+</I>
+Normally you'd set nofollow on individual archived messages. The general
+index page should NOT have &quot;nofollow&quot;. This ensures that if some spam
+arrives to an &quot;free to post&quot; mailing list (e.g. the sysadmin one), it
+doesn't put the spam site higher in Google.
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+you're not a spam site yourself (e.g. I assume Google lowers sites which
+have loads of links to spam sites).
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+Olav
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+    <B>Donald Stewart</B> 
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+<PRE>On 26 November 2012 14:47, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:07:31PM +0800, Joseph Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyway, gnome is in a death spiral
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you don't like flames, don't start one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Olav (GNOME release team member, Mageia packager)
+</I>
+While this situation is unfortunate, and could have been prevented by
+finding out what needed done at the start I still cant help but feel
+that at the very lest the work that has been done should be kept as it
+is still unclear what will happen in the future.
+That said, the reasons for Mageia not including Cinnamon to me are
+valid, and while packaging Cinnamon may have been your direct aim,
+even an open source community driven project requires teams to have
+coordination and cant be a free for all, therefore, I feel that while
+your work on Cinnamon and the enthusiasm is really welcome, adding
+some direction to it, for instance trying to reduce the list on
+un-maintained packages that we already have would be far more
+beneficial to the project, albeit maybe more work like for you. But
+this is the compromise that contributing to a project requires.
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+Schultz
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+<PRE>I've made the following rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+(CAT_GNOME):
+1. gstreamer1.0-pulse in Audio category (in addition to gstreamer0.10-pulse!)
+   ==&gt; guessing gstreamer0.10 might be around for a while, not sure
+2. Fix a typo when someone was trying to use CAT_GNOME
+3. X category always provided xdm,xguest,icewm-light. I changed that to
+   only install this when not GNOME.
+4. GNOME category would install xlockmore; removed this, GNOME does its
+   own locking (together with systemd)
+5. s/gconf-editor/dconf-editor/. At level 3, so not installed. Loads of
+   core GNOME applications now rely on gsettings, so dconf-editor makes
+   more sense nowadays than gcond-editor.
+6. Install gnome-common when selecting a development machine
+7. Install telepathy-idle when selecting &quot;IRC&quot;. It won't install
+   Empathy though (never used Empathy for IRC), still installs
+   xchat-gnome as well.
+
+Some might also be changed for CAT_KDE (#1+#3), etc. I tried to be
+minimal in the changes so limited changes to CAT_GNOME (and !CAT_GNOME)
+only.
+
+Note: The rpmsrate-raw said you cannot list a package twice, but noticed
+one such package. Forgot the name already though :P
+
+Feedback/comments/suggestions?
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+-- 
+Regards,
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+<PRE>26.11.2012 16:52, Olav Vitters kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 03:51:11PM +0200, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was trying to find something from dev-ml archives with google and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> found nothing. Then i checked our archives source and found '&lt;META
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> NAME=&quot;robots&quot; CONTENT=&quot;index,nofollow&quot;&gt;'- is there some good reason for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;nofollow&quot;? Or should i use something else to search our archives?
+</I>&gt;<i> Normally you'd set nofollow on individual archived messages. The general
+</I>&gt;<i> index page should NOT have &quot;nofollow&quot;. This ensures that if some spam
+</I>&gt;<i> arrives to an &quot;free to post&quot; mailing list (e.g. the sysadmin one), it
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't put the spam site higher in Google.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMO this is good to do, and it also should indicate to Google that
+</I>&gt;<i> you're not a spam site yourself (e.g. I assume Google lowers sites which
+</I>&gt;<i> have loads of links to spam sites).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Good point! So we are probably missing links to our archives (as i can't
+find anything that links to mageia-dev archives).
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+<PRE>2012/11/26, Joseph Wang &lt;joequant on gmail&gt;:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> So what do you want me to do?
+</I>
+I just discovered your problem while reading your email and its answers.
+I'm also a volunteer just like you.
+Not for Mageia but in other project I also did some work that have
+never been accepted upstream. So I do understand that this is often
+frustrating.
+When this happens sometimes I'll put my work as a patch on my web
+site, which makes me feel better and think that maybe I've not worked
+for nothing.
+Also some upstreams are happy to put packages on their own project
+page, and provide .rpm or .deb or whatever just next to the links to
+the sources. These things works fine when the software is not a
+dependency for anything else. It maybe also a usefull way to provide
+packages given that mageia is not a rolling release distro, if you are
+close enough with the upstream you can provide your .rpm to them just
+few days (or even the same day) after a new release, while with Mageia
+you have to wait next mageia version.
+If the upstream don't want that, please don't say they are anoying
+people, but just then put it on your own website. Create a basic
+webpage with keywords that search engines will find, and everthing
+will be fine. Keep in mind that this how free software works, this is
+the bazaar. OK you won't be able to fork Mageia on your own alone, but
+providing alternative things on your side is just fine.
+Anyway don't do any affective blackmail but rather try to addopt a
+constructive behavior.
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+<PRE>On 26 November 2012 16:03, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I've made the following rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</I>
+Most are OKs but:
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+&gt;<i> 3. X category always provided xdm,xguest,icewm-light. I changed that to
+</I>&gt;<i>    only install this when not GNOME.
+</I>
+meaning:
+- no fall back desktop when gnone is broken
+- no xguest support anymore
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+&gt;<i> Note: The rpmsrate-raw said you cannot list a package twice, but noticed
+</I>&gt;<i> one such package. Forgot the name already though :P
+</I>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 26/11/12 15:03 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 1. gstreamer1.0-pulse in Audio category (in addition to gstreamer0.10-pulse!)
+</I>&gt;<i>    ==&gt; guessing gstreamer0.10 might be around for a while, not sure
+</I>
+Just a followup to this and some other gst related discussions of late,
+should we perhaps think about simplifying the gstreamer packaging a bit.
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+We're quite subpackage-y at the moment. I accept this allows to keep an
+install minimal and avoids pulling in dependant libs etc, but I think in
+95-99% (guess) of cases, this isn't needed.
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+e.g. it's pretty much impossible these days to install things without
+libpulse, so why bother separating out the gst-pulse plugin from -good
+generally? Likewise for several other containers and codecs.
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+Maybe just something to do with the gst1.0 packages - a fresh start?
+
+Just a thought as I'm not the maintainer here :)
+
+Col
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+    <B>Richard Couture</B> 
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+<PRE>I've googled for hours before writing the message and as usual, simply 
+increased my blood pressure with no solutions |-( Maybe you'll have 
+better luck.
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+Richard
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+
+On 11/26/2012 07:42 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 26/11/12 03:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I didn't mean to open a can of worms, but since it's open ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No worries. No worms here, just discussing some packaging related stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with script-security 2 added to the client.conf, openvpn starts just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fine with the command   systemctl restart <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">openvpn at client.service</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, the script-security stuff needs to go into the config. The sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i> script had a horrible hack to work around this not being there, but it's
+</I>&gt;<i> really just that - a hack - and such black magic shouldn't be encouraged!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> UNTIL
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you add the parameter  auth-user-pass to the client.conf
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Once that param is added, openvpn refuses to start via systemD
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (small point, it's systemd, not systemD :))
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> though it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> starts just fine via sys5
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at pwyr</A> openvpn]# cd /etc/init.d/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at pwyr</A> init.d]# ./openvpn restart
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Shutting down openvpn:                                     [  OK  ]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Starting openvpn: Enter Auth Username:rrc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Enter Auth Password:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>                                                             [  OK  ]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since were looking at openvpn, hopefully we can figure out what this is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all about as this param is EXTREMELY important to harden the security of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> openvpn
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Right, I guess this is simply because it's using a somewhat legacy
+</I>&gt;<i> method of getting the password form the user...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It should really hook into the system used by other components to get
+</I>&gt;<i> passwords from the user, including during early boot. This is used e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> to get the password for encrypted disk partitions and works nicely with
+</I>&gt;<i> Plymouth for eye-candy as well as via the command line and even via
+</I>&gt;<i> desktop environments if appropriate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PasswordAgents">http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PasswordAgents</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess I'll need to look more into it to see what can be (or has been)
+</I>&gt;<i> done to address this. It should be relatively simple in theory...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are a hacker, feel free to look into this! (I've not googled or
+</I>&gt;<i> anything so perhaps someone has done this already)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+    <B>Liam R E Quin</B> 
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+<PRE>On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 22:49 +0800, Joseph Wang wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Let me tell you about my day. 
+</I>
+[...]
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+Most of us have jobs. Almost everyone here is a volunteer. But you are
+volunteering to be part of a team, and that involves fitting in with the
+team's larger goals.
+
+A set of astronomy-related packages would be fabulous.
+
+One way forward might be to set up your own repository so others can
+test your packages.
+
+&gt;<i> You can keep cinnamon out of the distribution, but that's up to you.....
+</I>I don't think anyone is saying, &quot;we want to prevent people from
+using...&quot; but rather, &quot;if it goes in the core distribution it's an extra
+thing to support, and needs careful packaging in order to avoid users
+ending up with a broken mix of gnome and cinnamon, as otherwise even in
+contrib it could make the core distribution break for many people.&quot;
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+So this means it needs to be tested.
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+&gt;<i> Also, in case someone wants to have a discussion rather than *ordering* me
+</I>&gt;<i> to do something....
+</I>I don't think you're being ordered, although sometimes, because English
+is a second or third language for some people here, tone of voice
+doesn't carry very well in email.
+
+And yes, communication, whether by email or IRC, is a big part of
+collaborating.
+
+Liam
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+    <B>Joseph Wang</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> This is true, and there is no doubt that we need more resources, but in
+</I>&gt;<i> this case it could cost more than it gains. We have had issues in the
+</I>&gt;<i> past of the packages for these alternative DEs causing issues for the
+</I>&gt;<i> core DEs due to the packages satisfying dep's required by the core packages.
+</I>
+I don't think that cinnamon is ready for Mageia 3.  However if we have
+a situation
+in which it's impossible to package a new DE even in an experimental setting,
+then we have a pretty serious problem.  That locks Mageia to GNOME and KDE,
+and GNOME is self-destructing.
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+The &quot;testing&quot; repository seems like it's a good place to put these
+sorts of things.
+Or there must be a way of marking a package as &quot;cauldron-only.&quot;  We had a
+&quot;contrib&quot; section in Mandriva that dealt with that.
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+The other question is how does Fedora manage to do it.
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+&gt;<i> So while you may have packaged Cinnamon and tested that *it* works, have
+</I>&gt;<i> you tested it in a repository along with all the other packages we have,
+</I>&gt;<i> installing e.g. a gnome install and double checking that none of the
+</I>&gt;<i> cinnamon packages have been pulled in to satisfy deps (incorrectly)?
+</I>
+chicken meets egg.  If I can check this on my machine, then I can write a
+script to check for this.  However, the place where you find this
+sorts of issues
+is when other people start using the package and finding that it doesn't work.
+But that involves making the package available for other people to use.
+
+The two big alternatives to GNOME are cinnamon and MATE, and one nice
+thing about cinnamon is that it's relatively non-intrusive.
+
+&gt;<i> Perhaps you have, but the &quot;resources&quot; required to support a new DE is
+</I>&gt;<i> not simply on the packaging. It's in the QA and it's in the testing of
+</I>&gt;<i> the fallout to other installs when those packages simply exist in the
+</I>&gt;<i> repos. This is what often takes the most resources.
+</I>
+Sure, and you don't want that to block mageia 3.
+
+But most of QA and testing involves getting live users to actually run the
+packages.  If you don't somehow get the packages out to power users
+then things will never get fixed.
+
+&gt;<i> If you are keen to push this through, then I'm afraid you likely will
+</I>&gt;<i> have to get involved in discussions about it.
+</I>
+Or I can do things the easy way.  I basically took the Fedora SPEC's
+and modified them for Mageia.  I could just as well work on Fedora or
+Linux Mint, and then at some point when Mageia wants to the take those
+SPEC's, then someone else can port them over.
+
+I just want a nice looking desktop and to have a stable platform that I
+can use to do astrophysics hacking.  If I have to spend any non-trivial
+effort to get cinnamon packaged in some way that doesn't break the
+system, then I'm going to go insane pushing through the 50-100 other
+astrophysics packages that I want to add to Mageia.
+
+Now maybe you all don't want me to add 50-100 professional astrophysics
+packages to Mageia.  If so, then it's good we had this discussion now :-)
+:<i>-) :-)
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Also, if you really do wish to have this supported, then you should
+</I>&gt;<i> likely keep on packaging and hopefully find some of the many
+</I>&gt;<i> unmaintained packages to adopt and prove that you will be sticking
+</I>&gt;<i> around for a while and not abandon maintenance in the future for
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever reason.
+</I>
+Unfortunately, I don't think that's going to work.  The trouble is that I'm
+doing things out of my &quot;spare time.&quot;  The people at my day job can
+&quot;persuade&quot; me to show up at work every morning and work regular hours
+because they hand me $$$$.  Everything I do outside of work is for love
+and not money, and love is fickle.  I'll *try* to do what I can, but I have a
+day job and kids, and those come first.
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+Also, I get annoyed enough trying to climb the corporate ladder in my
+day job.  I have to play game after game to get myself in a position
+where people will listen to me at work.  Today, I had to put together
+some Powerpoints for a &quot;review committee&quot; at work, and tomorrow
+there is going to be a meeting, and another meeting, and e-mail discussion
+and requirements documents, and project plans.  And in the middle of
+all of this, I just sometimes want to scream at the committee.  But I don't
+since they pay me $$$$$$$ not to tell them what I really think of them.
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+But you aren''t paying me............
+
+Now, you may say that this is just &quot;part of life.&quot;  It may be &quot;part of Mageia&quot;
+but it's certainly not part of &quot;open source,&quot; and I can put together useful
+things elsewhere without having to go through the damn review committee.
+Remember I got these specs by converting Fedora RPM's, and they'll be the
+first people I'll go to.  If they don't work, then I'll try a dozen
+other distributions,
+and if none of those work, I'll start my own.
+
+I suppose it would help if someone tries to &quot;sell&quot; me Mageia.  What is
+Mageia, and why should I volunteer to work on it?
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+The thing is that if it is uncertain whether cinnamon will get into Mageia,
+then it's just a waste of time for me to work on it in Mageia.  It would be
+more useful for me to work on getting it to work with Fedora, Ubuntu, or
+Mint, because I know that it's going to be useful there.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; This is true, and there is no doubt that we need more resources, but in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this case it could cost more than it gains. We have had issues in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; past of the packages for these alternative DEs causing issues for the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; core DEs due to the packages satisfying dep's required by the core
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+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think that cinnamon is ready for Mageia 3.  However if we have
+</I>&gt;<i> a situation
+</I>&gt;<i> in which it's impossible to package a new DE even in an experimental
+</I>&gt;<i> setting,
+</I>&gt;<i> then we have a pretty serious problem.  That locks Mageia to GNOME and KDE,
+</I>&gt;<i> and GNOME is self-destructing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You can package it to updates_testing in cauldron, this will not go into
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+    <B>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I really don't think that cinnamon is ready for Mageia 3.  There are
+</I>&gt;<i> some pretty major bugs in it, and it's not ready for prime time.  It would be useful
+</I>&gt;<i> to keep it in the testing section, and then target it for Mageia 4.  I do think it
+</I>&gt;<i> would be a good idea to at least start looking at alternatives to Gnome 3 since
+</I>&gt;<i> they are self-destructing, and I've been *extremely* impressed by cinnamon (minus two
+</I>&gt;<i> annoying bugs which I'm trying to fix).
+</I>
+If you didn't know, it's pretty much the exact thing that was decided 
+for Mageia: cinnamon is not ready yet.
+But submiting it to cauldron would include it in Mageia 3. Maybe for 
+Mageia 4?
+Your work is nice and much appreciated. And I'd love to see more 
+astrophysics packages in Mageia.
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+It'd be great it you would come on IRC (at any time) and to the packager 
+meetings on Tuesdays. That'd help with communication, because overall 
+we're a bunch of nice people ;-).
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+-- 
+Malo
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just want a nice looking desktop and to have a stable platform that I
+</I>&gt;<i> can use to do astrophysics hacking.  If I have to spend any non-trivial
+</I>&gt;<i> effort to get cinnamon packaged in some way that doesn't break the
+</I>&gt;<i> system, then I'm going to go insane pushing through the 50-100 other
+</I>&gt;<i> astrophysics packages that I want to add to Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now maybe you all don't want me to add 50-100 professional astrophysics
+</I>&gt;<i> packages to Mageia.  If so, then it's good we had this discussion now :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> :-) :-)
+</I>
+
+Well, theese 2 things are not really related, are they :)
+
+We dont mind you add and maintain 50-100 professional astrophysics 
+packages to Mageia.
+
+But none of them really depend on cinnamon being available.
+
+But if you are seriously stating no cinnamon means no other 
+contributions either, then thats your decision, and your right
+to do so.
+
+As for getting cinnamon into Mageia, you yourself stated you
+dont think it will be ready for Mga3.
+
+So that statement by itself points out that we might be better
+off keeping it from official mirrors for now... We can always
+review the decision to block cinnamon later after Mga3 is out,
+but that will be another discussion at that time...
+
+But I dont object to storing current work in Mageia SVN.
+
+&gt;<i> Unfortunately, I don't think that's going to work.  The trouble is that I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> doing things out of my &quot;spare time.&quot;  The people at my day job can
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;persuade&quot; me to show up at work every morning and work regular hours
+</I>&gt;<i> because they hand me $$$$.  Everything I do outside of work is for love
+</I>&gt;<i> and not money, and love is fickle.  I'll *try* to do what I can, but I have a
+</I>&gt;<i> day job and kids, and those come first.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, I get annoyed enough trying to climb the corporate ladder in my
+</I>&gt;<i> day job.  I have to play game after game to get myself in a position
+</I>&gt;<i> where people will listen to me at work.  Today, I had to put together
+</I>&gt;<i> some Powerpoints for a &quot;review committee&quot; at work, and tomorrow
+</I>&gt;<i> there is going to be a meeting, and another meeting, and e-mail discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> and requirements documents, and project plans.  And in the middle of
+</I>&gt;<i> all of this, I just sometimes want to scream at the committee.  But I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> since they pay me $$$$$$$ not to tell them what I really think of them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But you aren''t paying me............
+</I>
+
+Ok, please stop this $$$$ &amp; &quot;you aren''t paying me&quot; and &quot;my spare time&quot; 
+BS already.
+
+Becaus every time you repeat it, you will be taken less and less 
+seriously, until people finally stop responding.
+
+Point is... you are in _no way_ &quot;more special&quot; than any other
+contributor in Mageia. Most of us are doing this on our free time
+and by our free will, spending countless of hours and other resources
+to work on it.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, you may say that this is just &quot;part of life.&quot;  It may be &quot;part of Mageia&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> but it's certainly not part of &quot;open source,&quot; and I can put together useful
+</I>&gt;<i> things elsewhere without having to go through the damn review committee.
+</I>
+Well, lets speak of &quot;open source&quot; then...
+
+The &quot;if I dont get this, I wont do that&quot; try to force/blackmail is most
+definately not a part of open source... rather the opposite...
+
+And almost all distributions and larger projects have some kind of
+review/stering comittee so make sure a project is heading in a wanted
+direction. That does not mean their decision will please everybody.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Remember I got these specs by converting Fedora RPM's, and they'll be the
+</I>&gt;<i> first people I'll go to.  If they don't work, then I'll try a dozen
+</I>&gt;<i> other distributions,
+</I>&gt;<i> and if none of those work, I'll start my own.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, thats the beauty of FLOSS... you can do whatever you want with the 
+code...
+
+And I guess Fedora wont mind you helping them out &amp; contributing
+upstream..
+
+It will then be spread and used by other distributions including Mageia :)
+
+&gt;<i> I suppose it would help if someone tries to &quot;sell&quot; me Mageia.  What is
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia, and why should I volunteer to work on it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, we dont need to &quot;sell&quot; it to you. This is FLOSS after all.
+Not every distribution suits everybody, that's how it's always been,
+and it will be so in the future too...
+
+Yes, we like people that want to contribute, but we dont like being
+blackmailed...
+
+
+&gt;<i> The thing is that if it is uncertain whether cinnamon will get into Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> then it's just a waste of time for me to work on it in Mageia.  It would be
+</I>&gt;<i> more useful for me to work on getting it to work with Fedora, Ubuntu, or
+</I>&gt;<i> Mint, because I know that it's going to be useful there.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, by all means... if you are basing the rest of your contributions
+based on wether you can get cinnamon in or not, then I guess you need
+to pick one that suits your needs, we wont stop you.
+
+There are many great FLOSS projects out there, just pick one (or more) 
+and be happy...
+
+--
+Thomas
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+On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Good point! So we are probably missing links to our archives (as i can't
+</I>&gt;<i> find anything that links to mageia-dev archives).
+</I>
+Not only that, it is also just misconfigured.
+Mail-headers contain:
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+Thankfully there also is
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+List-Subscribe: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</A>&gt;,
+&lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-request at mageia.org</A>?subject=subscribe&gt;
+
+And that in turn has a archive-link.
+
+But also moderators of the list need to be setup, or the list needs to
+be configured to immediately reject mails from non-subscribers.
+
+None of my mails where I forgot to set correct from-address was
+approved by a moderator, and for none of those there was a
+notification that it would have been rejected.
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+So if you don't want mails from non-subscribers or have no moderators
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+&gt;<i> Name        : x11-driver-video-ati         Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 7.0.0                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Nov 26 15:52:14 2012
+</I>
+Note to all ati users...
+
+Beginning with 7.0.0 series, this driver is KMS only.
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+so UMS mode (&quot;nokms&quot;) is no more useful with this driver....
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+IIRC we will also need to update display_driver_helper (and maybe drakx) 
+to cope with this fact...
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+Some progress has happened on the RPM group move. Thanks a lot.
+However there is still a lot to do before the Beta 1 and the mass-rebuild.
+
+The main categories that need still to be changed are:
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+Obsolete group       | number of remaining packages
+
+Books/Computer books   21
+Books/Howtos           2
+Books/Other            26
+Graphics               296
+Office                 134
+Sound                  419
+Video                  440
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+Total = 1338
+
+With more than 1338 packages left, and less than 100 maintainers, that 
+means that everyone probably has several packages to fix :-P.
+
+For these packages, it is mostly about sending them to the different 
+subgroups mentioned in the policy:
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy#List_of_official_groups">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy#List_of_official_groups</A>
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+I'll send more regular updates on the progress of this task.
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+Meanwhile, please please fix!
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+Thanks!
+-- 
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+On 26/11/12 17:30, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
+&gt;<i> Dear packagers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some progress has happened on the RPM group move. Thanks a lot.
+</I>&gt;<i> However there is still a lot to do before the Beta 1 and the mass-rebuild.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The main categories that need still to be changed are:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Obsolete group       | number of remaining packages
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Books/Computer books   21
+</I>&gt;<i> Books/Howtos           2
+</I>&gt;<i> Books/Other            26
+</I>&gt;<i> Graphics               296
+</I>&gt;<i> Office                 134
+</I>&gt;<i> Sound                  419
+</I>&gt;<i> Video                  440
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Total = 1338
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With more than 1338 packages left, and less than 100 maintainers, that
+</I>&gt;<i> means that everyone probably has several packages to fix :-P.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For these packages, it is mostly about sending them to the different
+</I>&gt;<i> subgroups mentioned in the policy:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy#List_of_official_groups">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy#List_of_official_groups</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll send more regular updates on the progress of this task.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Meanwhile, please please fix!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
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+    <B>Joseph Wang</B> 
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+mailing lists
+have a tendency to become flame wars, and I really want to avoid that.  It's
+very easy in public conversations to come across as a jerk, and as a newbie
+I really wanted to avoid that.  I've tried whenever finding myself in unfamiliar
+social situations to just keep my mouth shut, and listen to what's going on
+for a while before saying anything.
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+The thing about communications is that it really doesn't scale.  One
+thing that's
+nice about the open source model is that you can go into your garage, work on
+something, and you don't need anyone's permission or to communicate or
+coordinate
+with anyone.  Coordination is a real pain, and you really want to
+structure things so
+that you can minimize coordination. Communication is also a problem.  You say
+one thing, someone replies, pretty soon you have a flame war, and you
+aren't doing
+and &quot;real work.&quot;
+
+The thing that I'm working on in my garage is a linux workstation that
+is set up for
+hard-core astrophysics theory.  Packaging is a missing piece of
+scientific software
+since there are hundreds of scientific software packages that are not packaged.
+
+Rather than engage in vaporware, I just need some stable distribution
+that is very
+open to adding new items into some &quot;bleeding edge&quot; repository.
+
+I ended up with Mageia partly for historical reasons, but partly out
+of a sense that
+because it was a community distribution, it would have some easy mechanism
+for accepting &quot;bleeding edge&quot; packages.  Once I got through initial
+packaging learning,
+I was planning to add things like a stellar evolution code and hard
+core CFD code.  I'd
+like to add some professional astronomical telescope tracking software
+(like IRAF or
+DS9), and to hard core astrophysics research.
+
+My assumption was that as a community driven project, there would be
+some mechanism
+for adding new packages to the system, and that I wouldn't have to
+worry about getting
+permission, I would just do it.  Fedora already has a mechanism for
+doing that, but sense
+I was already using Mageia, I had thought that Mageia would be at
+least as open as
+Fedora, and that it would be easy to add large numbers of new packages.
+
+Now if I'm mistaken about this, and this is not the goal of the Mageia
+maintainers, then
+I just need to find some other platform to work on.
+
+Again, it makes perfect sense to me not to put cinnamon into Mageia 3
+core.  It's
+unstable and buggy and it's going to be a pain in the rear end to get
+it to work smoothly.  The
+problem is that if it's not possible to put Cinnamon *somewhere* in
+the Mageia tree
+so that &quot;bleeding edgers&quot; can work on it, then it's going to be
+impossible to use Mageia
+as a distribution mechanism for even more bleeding edge experimental
+software, and if
+that's the intent, then I've just got to find another distribution to work on.
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+I'm not trying to be a jerk or to blackmail anyone.  It's just that if
+there is no mechanism
+for Mageia users to share bleeding edge software with each other, then
+it's not going to
+work for what I want to do with it.  urpmi and cauldron is a great
+mechanism for two nuclear
+physicists to share say the latest nuclear equation of states
+libraries, and as something
+that advertises itself as a community distribution, I was hoping that
+Mageia could be the
+center of that.  One problem that we have here is that everyone wants
+to copy Apple OSX
+and Android.  The Ipad and MacOS is a slick piece of software.   The
+trouble is that it
+only lets you do what Apple wants you to do, because if you do
+something really different
+you might break the box.  This is really, really bad for real hard
+core, scientific research
+since what you are trying to do is to push the machine to the point
+where you are breaking
+the box, and it's hard to communicate in advance what you are trying
+to do, since you don't
+know.
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+&gt;<i> Hi Sander, *,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Sander Lepik
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Good point! So we are probably missing links to our archives (as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i can't find anything that links to mageia-dev archives).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Not only that, it is also just misconfigured. Mail-headers
+</I>&gt;<i> contain:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> List-Archive: &lt;/pipermail/mageia-dev&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thankfully there also is
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> List-Subscribe:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</A>&gt;, 
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-request at mageia.org</A>?subject=subscribe&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And that in turn has a archive-link.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Some lists add a link to archive in a footer.  Personally I've found
+that to be very useful.  Perhaps that could also be considered.
+
+&gt;<i> But also moderators of the list need to be setup, or the list needs
+</I>&gt;<i> to be configured to immediately reject mails from non-subscribers.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> None of my mails where I forgot to set correct from-address was 
+</I>&gt;<i> approved by a moderator, and for none of those there was a 
+</I>&gt;<i> notification that it would have been rejected.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So if you don't want mails from non-subscribers or have no
+</I>&gt;<i> moderators to process mails &#8594; configure the list accordingly.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>I moderate a couple of lists for KDE.  I could take on another list,
+as long as the requirements are clear.  E.g. - is it enough to remove
+spam and approve messages relevant to Cauldron, or do we need to set
+up bounce messages to make people register before they can post?
+(Which is terribly off-putting.)
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+&gt;<i> One reason that I kept rather quiet is that e-mail conversations on
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing lists
+</I>&gt;<i> have a tendency to become flame wars, and I really want to avoid that.  It's
+</I>&gt;<i> very easy in public conversations to come across as a jerk, and as a newbie
+</I>&gt;<i> I really wanted to avoid that.  I've tried whenever finding myself in unfamiliar
+</I>&gt;<i> social situations to just keep my mouth shut, and listen to what's going on
+</I>&gt;<i> for a while before saying anything.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The thing about communications is that it really doesn't scale.  One
+</I>&gt;<i> thing that's
+</I>&gt;<i> nice about the open source model is that you can go into your garage, work on
+</I>&gt;<i> something, and you don't need anyone's permission or to communicate or
+</I>&gt;<i> coordinate
+</I>&gt;<i> with anyone.  Coordination is a real pain, and you really want to
+</I>&gt;<i> structure things so
+</I>&gt;<i> that you can minimize coordination. Communication is also a problem.  You say
+</I>&gt;<i> one thing, someone replies, pretty soon you have a flame war, and you
+</I>&gt;<i> aren't doing
+</I>&gt;<i> and &quot;real work.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The thing that I'm working on in my garage is a linux workstation that
+</I>&gt;<i> is set up for
+</I>&gt;<i> hard-core astrophysics theory.  Packaging is a missing piece of
+</I>&gt;<i> scientific software
+</I>&gt;<i> since there are hundreds of scientific software packages that are not packaged.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Rather than engage in vaporware, I just need some stable distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> that is very
+</I>&gt;<i> open to adding new items into some &quot;bleeding edge&quot; repository.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I ended up with Mageia partly for historical reasons, but partly out
+</I>&gt;<i> of a sense that
+</I>&gt;<i> because it was a community distribution, it would have some easy mechanism
+</I>&gt;<i> for accepting &quot;bleeding edge&quot; packages.  Once I got through initial
+</I>&gt;<i> packaging learning,
+</I>&gt;<i> I was planning to add things like a stellar evolution code and hard
+</I>&gt;<i> core CFD code.  I'd
+</I>&gt;<i> like to add some professional astronomical telescope tracking software
+</I>&gt;<i> (like IRAF or
+</I>&gt;<i> DS9), and to hard core astrophysics research.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My assumption was that as a community driven project, there would be
+</I>&gt;<i> some mechanism
+</I>&gt;<i> for adding new packages to the system, and that I wouldn't have to
+</I>&gt;<i> worry about getting
+</I>&gt;<i> permission, I would just do it.  Fedora already has a mechanism for
+</I>&gt;<i> doing that, but sense
+</I>&gt;<i> I was already using Mageia, I had thought that Mageia would be at
+</I>&gt;<i> least as open as
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora, and that it would be easy to add large numbers of new packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now if I'm mistaken about this, and this is not the goal of the Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainers, then
+</I>&gt;<i> I just need to find some other platform to work on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Again, it makes perfect sense to me not to put cinnamon into Mageia 3
+</I>&gt;<i> core.  It's
+</I>&gt;<i> unstable and buggy and it's going to be a pain in the rear end to get
+</I>&gt;<i> it to work smoothly.  The
+</I>&gt;<i> problem is that if it's not possible to put Cinnamon *somewhere* in
+</I>&gt;<i> the Mageia tree
+</I>&gt;<i> so that &quot;bleeding edgers&quot; can work on it, then it's going to be
+</I>&gt;<i> impossible to use Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> as a distribution mechanism for even more bleeding edge experimental
+</I>&gt;<i> software, and if
+</I>&gt;<i> that's the intent, then I've just got to find another distribution to work on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not trying to be a jerk or to blackmail anyone.  It's just that if
+</I>&gt;<i> there is no mechanism
+</I>&gt;<i> for Mageia users to share bleeding edge software with each other, then
+</I>&gt;<i> it's not going to
+</I>&gt;<i> work for what I want to do with it.  urpmi and cauldron is a great
+</I>&gt;<i> mechanism for two nuclear
+</I>&gt;<i> physicists to share say the latest nuclear equation of states
+</I>&gt;<i> libraries, and as something
+</I>&gt;<i> that advertises itself as a community distribution, I was hoping that
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia could be the
+</I>&gt;<i> center of that.  One problem that we have here is that everyone wants
+</I>&gt;<i> to copy Apple OSX
+</I>&gt;<i> and Android.  The Ipad and MacOS is a slick piece of software.   The
+</I>&gt;<i> trouble is that it
+</I>&gt;<i> only lets you do what Apple wants you to do, because if you do
+</I>&gt;<i> something really different
+</I>&gt;<i> you might break the box.  This is really, really bad for real hard
+</I>&gt;<i> core, scientific research
+</I>&gt;<i> since what you are trying to do is to push the machine to the point
+</I>&gt;<i> where you are breaking
+</I>&gt;<i> the box, and it's hard to communicate in advance what you are trying
+</I>&gt;<i> to do, since you don't
+</I>&gt;<i> know.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If that's not what people want to do with Mageia, then I just have to
+</I>&gt;<i> accept that and move
+</I>&gt;<i> elsewhere.......
+</I>
+The thing about communication and coordination is that unless it is
+there, and people are aware of what others are doing, then huge
+amounts of work will get repeated. Now I am not saying that you need
+to keep in communication over every single thing that is going on, but
+it is good to have a background knowledge and just to check in. The
+better informed we are about what you are doing, then the more that
+others can help you.
+As you say, sometimes it is hard to know what you are going to do, but
+it is still important to be aware of the projects goals, now it is
+unfortunate that you have done work on cinnamon, however, as in the
+other thread, it seems that there is a possibility that it can be put
+into updates/testing. And as you said, it is not ready from the prime
+time, so that offers a very good solution.
+Now I feel that there would be a far greater reward to start on the
+other packages, as there is far less in there way, and infact we
+welcome scientific packages, there was a drive a few months back to
+get as many included in the distro as possible, there is a lot of GIS
+stuff, and I am sure that the astrophysics software you have in mind
+will have a place.
+Bear in mind that we have switched to a new rpm group policy, so
+please make sure that the groups that you put the software in fall
+into them, similarly for the libs policy. This is not trying to
+conform or limit your work, but trying to guide things so that they
+fit in with the rest of the distribution, it is really important that
+we offer as uniform method on these things to aid the user in
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+&gt;<i> If Mageia won't accept the work that I just did packaging cinnamon, then
+</I>&gt;<i> bye,
+</I>&gt;<i> bye Mageia.
+</I>See you.
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+<PRE>OK.  Everything is better.
+
+One reason I hate posting on public e-mail lists is that you get into
+silly flame wars
+over miscommunication.  Putting everything into updates_testing and keeping it
+out of the core Mageia 3 is exactly the right thing to do.  I can go
+ahead with trying
+to package cinnamon-themes and cinnamon-extras.
+
+I would like to attend the weekly meeting, but I'm in Asia.
+
+&gt;<i> You've clearly spent time on Cinnamon but at no point did I see you post
+</I>&gt;<i> any emails regarding these plans here.
+</I>
+That's because
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+1) I try to avoid posting to public e-mail lists when I don't know the social
+conventions and people involved (and if they don't know me), and
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+2) it happened by accident.  I'm waiting for Fedora to release pyp2rpm with
+my changes, and I had some extra cycles to burn.  There are a few tricky
+bits in getting cinnamon to work with Mageia, but it &quot;drops in&quot; pretty well
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+3) it was something of an experiment.  I could have found that it was totally
+impossible in which case there wouldn't be much of a point in announcing
+ahead of time that I was going to do it.
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+&gt;<i> if you're just interested in packaging stuff in a small bubble, separate
+</I>&gt;<i> from everything else, then I'm not sure it would work out that well anyway.
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+<PRE>On 26.11.2012 19:52, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 26/11/2012 15:07, Joseph Wang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If Mageia won't accept the work that I just did packaging cinnamon, then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bye,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bye Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> See you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Emotional blackmail is a form of psychological manipulation - it is &quot;the 
+use of a system of threats and punishment on a person by someone close 
+to them in an attempt to control their behavior&quot;.[1] &quot;Emotional 
+blackmail... typically involves two people who have established a close 
+personal or intimate relationship (mother and daughter, husband and 
+wife, sister and sister, two close friends).&quot;[2] When subjected to 
+emotional blackmail, &quot;we become the other's emotional hostage&quot;. As Jean 
+Baudrillard puts it: &quot;If you don't give me that, you will be responsible 
+for my breakdown&quot;.[3]
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+    <B>Joseph Wang</B> 
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+<PRE>Whew!!!!
+
+Now for something substantive....  Here is what I found out packaging
+cinnamon, and the major bugs
+and issues.....  Again, it's not ready for Mageia 3, but I'd like to
+get it into cauldron updates_testing
+so people can test it out.....  Here are the major issues.
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+1) IMHO, it's a lot nicer UI than Gnome 3.  It's basically a more
+advanced, prettier Gnome 2, with
+a KDE-ish menu.
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+2) It's actually pretty easy to drop in.  There are three RPMS, and
+they just sit on top of Gnome 3.
+The dependencies are all one way (i.e. cinnamon depends on Gnome 3,
+but nothing depends on
+cinnamon)  The hard part with dealing with the install was to get the
+startup commands right.
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+3) There is unfortunately a big bug in that if you click on the menu
+on some platforms, it takes
+forever to start up.  My guess is that there is an opengl issue in
+which some platforms use software
+rendering.  That makes it unusable as an immediate replacement.
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+4) It's possible to override the menu with alternatives menus, and
+it's a very open language for
+new themes and applets.  Unfortunately, it's a real pain to install
+themes and applets.  One thing
+that I was going to look into was to have a more standard installation
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My assumption was that as a community driven project, there would be
+</I>&gt;<i> some mechanism
+</I>&gt;<i> for adding new packages to the system, and that I wouldn't have to
+</I>&gt;<i> worry about getting
+</I>&gt;<i> permission, I would just do it.  Fedora already has a mechanism for
+</I>&gt;<i> doing that, but sense
+</I>&gt;<i> I was already using Mageia, I had thought that Mageia would be at
+</I>&gt;<i> least as open as
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora, and that it would be easy to add large numbers of new packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now if I'm mistaken about this, and this is not the goal of the Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainers, then
+</I>&gt;<i> I just need to find some other platform to work on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+There is a simple mechanism mostly... :)
+
+We usually dont object to people adding new stuff to the repos,
+as long as they follow our packaging policy and media rules.
+
+But in the cinnamon case we decided we dont want it in official
+repos for now because of the extra problems it would introduce
+at this point...
+
+And the reason you need to do the &quot;review process&quot; part currently,
+is because you are currently an packager in training, something
+every new Mageia maintainer has has to go through in order to
+learn about Mageia packaging rules and best practices...
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+request that we promote your account to full packager status
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+maintain them according the the policys we have in place.
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+can you update python-lxml to 3.0.1 or is there any reason it wasn't updated
+yet? Otherwise, I can update it (it was a matter of changing the version, and
+running mgarepo sync -d and rebuilding). 
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+Regards,
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+    <B>philippe makowski</B> 
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+2012/11/26 Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> can you update python-lxml to 3.0.1 or is there any reason it wasn't updated
+</I>&gt;<i> yet?
+</I>just because <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org">http://check.mageia.org</A> did not told me to update it ;)
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+&gt;<i> Otherwise, I can update it (it was a matter of changing the version, and
+</I>&gt;<i> running mgarepo sync -d and rebuilding).
+</I>hum, could be, but since it can be packaged for Python 3, I guess that
+we need to take the opportunity to change the spec to build it also
+for Python 3
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> I suppose it would help if someone tries to &quot;sell&quot; me Mageia.  What is
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia, and why should I volunteer to work on it?
+</I>[...]
+
+Hello,
+
+I won't tell you that you should be a volunteer to Mageia. You should
+volunteer to the project that you like, that matches your wishes, and
+if you like the community around this project.
+
+But I can tell you why I'm volunteer for Mageia and not another Linux
+distro. It's because Mageia is (or I suppose it is) targeted to lambda
+users that maybe have no programming skills. When I installed my first
+Mandrake in 2001 (8.0) I even didn't know how to use Windows, it was
+my first computer, and I just had to clic on &quot;next -&gt; next -&gt; next&quot;
+and the installation was done with no other skills than been able to
+read.
+
+I do not believe in Linux distro that need skills to install and
+manage, at least these distro are good but I think that they should
+only be provided to skilled people. I don't like to see in the LUGs
+people installing distros for non-programmers that are far beyond
+their skills.
+
+This said I'm only a very humble contributor, I've only packaged 2
+things that will insterest lambda users. But if a lot of poeple do the
+same it would be enough.
+
+There are probably other motivations why contribute to Mageia and not
+another distro.
+
+Also I've not read all the thread, but I've read that you like to do
+things instead of talk to much. I'm the same, you will see very few
+post of me in the lists, I'm just doing the things I like on my side
+(very few things I admit), and most often I just don't know everything
+about what hapens in the mga community. So if it's what you want it's
+possible, but it seems that the package you did has more interactions,
+so in this case there is no escape for needing coordination.
+
+Best regards
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+<PRE>26.11.2012 19:25, Thomas Backlund kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> tv skrev 26.11.2012 16:53:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : x11-driver-video-ati         Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 7.0.0                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 2.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Nov 26 15:52:14 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Note to all ati users...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Beginning with 7.0.0 series, this driver is KMS only.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> so UMS mode (&quot;nokms&quot;) is no more useful with this driver....
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> IIRC we will also need to update display_driver_helper (and maybe drakx) 
+</I>&gt;<i> to cope with this fact...
+</I>
+I'll disable the hack in display_driver_helper...
+
+But should we now have ldetect-lst fallback to vesa on all radeon cards
+if no fw installed (&quot;DRIVER_NO_FIRMWARE vesa&quot;)?
+
+According to the kernel driver code (AFAICS, that is) it should fallback
+to no acceleration in case of no firmware, but at least some time ago
+that apparently didn't happen properly...
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+-- 
+Anssi Hannula
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+<PRE>Joseph Wang a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:51 PM, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-request at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-request at mageia.org</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     Hmm, have you missed that there will be no Cinnamon in Mageia repos?
+</I>&gt;<i>     Part of packagers &quot;job&quot; is to keep eye on the dev ml.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe I'll stay on for another day or so.  I've been using
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia/Mandriva for years,
+</I>
+Like probably most of us here.  And we are all volonteers.
+
+...
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+&gt;<i> I have a dozen or so packages in the queue.  I've been working with the
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> to get a python to rpm conversion script working, and I have about a dozen
+</I>&gt;<i> python packages that are ready to be uploaded.  I'm interested in
+</I>&gt;<i> creating a first
+</I>&gt;<i> rate platform for astronomy.  I've got ds9 working.  I've packaged
+</I>&gt;<i> glamor, and I've
+</I>&gt;<i> gotten an open source ati driver working for Radeonsi.  I want to start
+</I>&gt;<i> packaging heavy duty astrophysics code on Mageia.
+</I>
+These are contributions that will be appreciated now.
+
+The problem with Cinnamon, as Colin and others have stated, is that the
+overhead of having something as big as that is a lot more than just 
+packaging.  Even the pure packaging part takes a lot of time, as you 
+have pointed out, not counting the bugs of something being newly 
+developed.  For something like that we would need to be assured of 
+longer term support.  Something we haven't the ressources for at the moment.
+Note that this has been discussed many times on this list in the past, 
+before you got involved.  So Cinnamon will have to wait, but I suspect 
+that it could be doable in the future.  (I'd like to try it out myself.)
+
+Regards :)
+
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+Andr&#233;
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+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/11/26 Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can you update python-lxml to 3.0.1 or is there any reason it wasn't updated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> yet?
+</I>&gt;<i> just because <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org">http://check.mageia.org</A> did not told me to update it ;)
+</I>
+It's missing an awful lot these days, as it's not checking Fedora, Mandriva/ROSA, and some other 
+things that would be helpful.  I'm concerned about this, as it would be really nice if we could have 
+things reasonably on par with Fedora 18 for Mageia 3.  Fedora 18 is supposed to form the basis of 
+RHEL 7, so having things reasonably in sync with them would be very helpful for stable support of 
+Mageia 3 going forward.  I really hope youri could be fixed soon.
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+I really don't think that cinnamon is ready for Mageia 
+3.  There are some pretty major bugs in it, and it's not 
+ready for prime time.  It would be useful to keep it in the 
+testing section, and then target it for Mageia 4. 
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+Hi Joseph,
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+I read some of your posts. And I believe that your work is good. I think 
+that somebody refusing to put some softwares to cauldron is because 
+cauldron will be freezed a short time in a near future, and it would be 
+generated to a stable Mageia 3 distro. And after that, the cauldron will 
+burn and boil again. That time is a pathway to Mageia 4, so the 
+people(most of us have job) have more time to test cinnamon.
+
+I am so lucky because I learn to package a software and it works 
+perfectly. So my mentor Jose and another packager Funda Wang put it 
+into cauldron. But I still do not have my account to do that directly, and 
+I need more experience and try to pack and patch more. But I am still 
+very happy cause it has a lot of fun.
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">50B3A829.4060505 at rhul.ac.uk</A>&gt;:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>Some progress has happened on the RPM group move. Thanks a lot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>However there is still a lot to do before the Beta 1 and the mass-rebuild.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>The main categories that need still to be changed are:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>Obsolete group       | number of remaining packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>Books/Computer books   21
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>Books/Howtos           2
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>Graphics               296
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>Office                 134
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>Sound                  419
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>Video                  440
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>Total = 1338
+</I>
+Hi Malo,
+
+It would help if you have / could share a breakdown of the above, perhaps 
+both per package and maintainer?
+
+Thanks,
+
+Remmy
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+list in one line of chained shell commands :-)
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+&gt;<i> I would like to attend the weekly meeting, but I'm in Asia.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>May I suggest that you leave an IRC window open overnight, then, read
+the backscroll, and simply reply to the channel at a more convenient
+time if you see things that need comment?  Time zones do make things
+difficult, and people will understand your problem.
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+&gt;<i> 1) I try to avoid posting to public e-mail lists when I don't know the social
+</I>&gt;<i> conventions and people involved (and if they don't know me)
+</I>
+Don't worry about that.  Observe the normal politenesses - trying to
+avoid treading on toes where possible :-) - and you will be fine.  We
+have people from many backgrounds here, and we are used to making
+allowances for non-native English.  People will simply ask for
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+    <I>Tue Nov 27 09:04:40 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 27 November 2012 00:23, blue_prawn &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> blue_prawn &lt;blue_prawn&gt; 1.1.1-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 322200
+</I>&gt;<i> - no change, just a rebuild
+</I>
+no need to write &quot;no change&quot;.
+rebuild for what?
+=&gt; better write &quot;rebuild for &lt;whatever reason&gt;&quot; ...
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+    <I>Tue Nov 27 09:06:00 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 27 November 2012 04:31, David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can you update python-lxml to 3.0.1 or is there any reason it wasn't updated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> yet?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just because <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org">http://check.mageia.org</A> did not told me to update it ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's missing an awful lot these days, as it's not checking Fedora, Mandriva/ROSA, and some other
+</I>&gt;<i> things that would be helpful.  I'm concerned about this, as it would be really nice if we could have
+</I>&gt;<i> things reasonably on par with Fedora 18 for Mageia 3.  Fedora 18 is supposed to form the basis of
+</I>&gt;<i> RHEL 7, so having things reasonably in sync with them would be very helpful for stable support of
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 3 going forward.  I really hope youri could be fixed soon.
+</I>
+
+It used to do so.
+I already complained. without any result.
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+<PRE>On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 04:12:29PM +0100, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; 3. X category always provided xdm,xguest,icewm-light. I changed that to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;    only install this when not GNOME.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> meaning:
+</I>&gt;<i> - no fall back desktop when gnone is broken
+</I>
+I'm wondering if that still works.
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+&gt;<i> - no xguest support anymore
+</I>
+This too.
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+Anyway, reverted these changes.
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+Thanks for reviewing!
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+<PRE>On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 04:58:19AM +0100, Remco Rijnders wrote:
+&gt;<i> It would help if you have / could share a breakdown of the above,
+</I>&gt;<i> perhaps both per package and maintainer?
+</I>
+Added such a command to mga-gnome script:
+  mga-gnome group-owner &quot;Books/Computer books&quot; Books/Howtos \
+                        Books/Other Graphics Office Sound Video
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+See attached for the output. Output is per group, then on 1 line:
+owner / source package / (sub)packages
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+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
+-------------- next part --------------
+Sound
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+anssi	festvox-suopuhe-lj	festvox-suopuhe-common,festvox-suopuhe-lj
+anssi	festvox-suopuhe-mv	festvox-suopuhe-mv
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+anssi	guayadeque	guayadeque
+anssi	lavennin	lavennin
+anssi	shntool	shntool
+bertl	beep	beep
+colin	alsa-oss	alsa-oss
+colin	dcaenc	lib64dcaenc0,dcaenc,lib64alsa-plugins-dca
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+colin	paprefs	paprefs
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+dams	lmms	lmms
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+fwang	libmusicbrainz5	libmusicbrainz5
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+jquelin	mpc	mpc
+jquelin	mpd	mpd
+jquelin	perl-Audio-CD	perl-Audio-CD
+jquelin	sonata	sonata
+jquelin	tagtool	tagtool
+juancho	amarok	amarok-handbook,amarok
+juancho	gnac	gnac
+juancho	konvertible	konvertible
+juancho	solfege	solfege
+juancho	taglib-extras	taglib-extras
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+kamil	openal	openal,libopenal1,lib64openal1
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+nobody	celt	celt
+nobody	celt051	celt051
+nobody	celt071	celt071
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+nobody	dumb	dumb
+nobody	espeak	espeak
+nobody	faad2	faad2
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+nobody	gmpc	gmpc
+nobody	gmpc-albumview	gmpc-albumview
+nobody	gmpc-avahi	gmpc-avahi
+nobody	gmpc-discogs	gmpc-discogs
+nobody	gmpc-extraplaylist	gmpc-extraplaylist
+nobody	gmpc-jamendo	gmpc-jamendo
+nobody	gmpc-lastfm	gmpc-lastfm
+nobody	gmpc-libnotify	gmpc-libnotify
+nobody	gmpc-lyrics	gmpc-lyrics
+nobody	gmpc-magnatune	gmpc-magnatune
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+nobody	gmpc-tagedit	gmpc-tagedit
+nobody	gmpc-wikipedia	gmpc-wikipedia
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+nobody	gnupod	gnupod
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+nobody	lash	lash
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+nobody	mad	mad
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+nobody	opencore-amr	opencore-amr
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+nobody	phonon-xine	phonon-xine
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+nobody	pyid3lib	pyid3lib
+nobody	snack	tcl-snack,snack,python-snack
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+nobody	speex	speex
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+obgr_seneca	mp3gain	mp3gain
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+obgr_seneca	mpg123	mpg123-pulse,mpg123,mpg123-openal,mpg123-portaudio,mpg123-sdl,mpg123-jack
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+obgr_seneca	soundkonverter	soundkonverter
+obgr_seneca	streamripper	streamripper
+obgr_seneca	vorbis-tools	vorbis-tools
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+remmy	id3v2	id3v2
+shikamaru	ardour	ardour
+shikamaru	fluidsynth	fluidsynth
+shikamaru	hydrogen	hydrogen
+shikamaru	lingot	lingot
+shikamaru	mpdscribble	mpdscribble
+shikamaru	ncmpcpp	ncmpcpp
+shikamaru	normalize	normalize
+shikamaru	qsynth	qsynth
+shikamaru	rakarrack	rakarrack
+shikamaru	rubyripper	rubyripper
+shikamaru	yoshimi	yoshimi
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+shlomif	gst123	gst123
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+shlomif	pragha	pragha
+shlomif	wildmidi	wildmidi
+shlomif	xawtv	radio
+vaci0	devidify	devidify
+vaci0	easytag	easytag
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+
+Books/Computer books
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+
+Office
+
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+dams	grisbi	grisbi
+dams	sigil	sigil
+fwang	fox	fox-example-apps
+fwang	gnucash	gnucash-ofx,gnucash,gnucash-hbci
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+matteo	lemonpos	lemonpos,lemonpos-squeeze
+mikala	textroom	textroom
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+nobody	flightcrew	flightcrew-common,flightcrew-gui,flightcrew-cli,flightcrew
+nobody	gcal	gcal
+nobody	libwpd	libwpd-tools
+nobody	libwpg	libwpg
+nobody	libwps	libwps
+nobody	link-grammar	link-grammar
+nobody	opengrade	opengrade
+nobody	planner	planner
+nobody	qalculate-gtk	qalculate-gtk
+nobody	skrooge	skrooge
+nobody	vym	vym
+nobody	wv	wv
+nobody	wv2	wv2
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+solbu	gonvert	gonvert
+steletch	comex-base	comex-base
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+steletch	comex-qt	comex-qt
+steletch	monosim-gtk	monosim-gtk
+steletch	monosim-qt	monosim-qt
+stormi	epdfview	epdfview
+supp	zfo-editor	zfo-editor
+wally	cherrytree	cherrytree
+wally	glabels	glabels
+wally	labyrinth	labyrinth
+wally	tilitin	tilitin
+zezinho	celtx	celtx-de,celtx-cs,celtx-fr,celtx-ca,celtx-pt-BR,celtx,celtx-en-US,celtx-es-ES
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+zezinho	libalkimia	lib64alkimia4,libalkimia,libalkimia4
+
+
+Books/Howtos
+
+nobody	qmf	qmf-doc
+
+
+Video
+
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+anssi	rtmpdump	rtmpdump
+anssi	sub2srt	sub2srt
+anssi	tvheadend	tvheadend
+anssi	vaapi-driver-fglrx	vaapi-driver-fglrx
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+anssi	vdr-plugin-dvdswitch	vdr-plugin-dvdswitch
+anssi	vdr-plugin-epgsearch	vdr-plugin-epgsearch
+anssi	vdr-plugin-femon	vdr-plugin-femon
+anssi	vdr-plugin-freecell	vdr-plugin-freecell
+anssi	vdr-plugin-games	vdr-plugin-games
+anssi	vdr-plugin-imonlcd	vdr-plugin-imonlcd
+anssi	vdr-plugin-live	vdr-plugin-live
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+anssi	vdr-plugin-osdpip	vdr-plugin-osdpip
+anssi	vdr-plugin-osdteletext	vdr-plugin-osdteletext
+anssi	vdr-plugin-remote	vdr-plugin-remote
+anssi	vdr-plugin-screenshot	vdr-plugin-screenshot
+anssi	vdr-plugin-skinsoppalusikka	vdr-plugin-skinsoppalusikka
+anssi	vdr-plugin-streamdev	vdr-plugin-streamdev-client,vdr-plugin-streamdev,vdr-plugin-streamdev-server
+anssi	vdr-plugin-sudoku	vdr-plugin-sudoku
+anssi	vdr-plugin-suspendoutput	vdr-plugin-suspendoutput
+anssi	vdr-plugin-svdrpservice	vdr-plugin-svdrpservice
+anssi	vdr-plugin-ttxtsubs	vdr-plugin-ttxtsubs
+anssi	vdr-plugin-tvonscreen	vdr-plugin-tvonscreen
+anssi	vdr-plugin-vcd	vdr-plugin-vcd
+anssi	vdr-plugin-vnsiserver	vdr-plugin-vnsiserver
+anssi	vdr-plugin-wapd	vdr-plugin-wapd
+anssi	vdr-plugin-wirbelscan	vdr-plugin-wirbelscan
+anssi	vdr-plugin-xineliboutput	xine1.2-xvdr,xineliboutput-sxfe,vdr-plugin-xineliboutput,xineliboutput-local-sxfe,xineliboutput-local-fbfe,xineliboutput-fbfe
+anssi	vdradmin-am	vdradmin-am
+anssi	vdrsync	vdrsync
+anssi	xbmc	xbmc-eventclient-ps3,xbmc-eventclients-common,xbmc-eventclient-j2me,xbmc-eventclient-xbmc-send,xbmc-eventclient-wiiremote,xbmc
+anssi	xine-xvdr	xine-xvdr
+blino	ushare	ushare
+colin	mythplugins	mythplugins,mythtv-plugin-browser,mythtv-plugin-game,mythtv-plugin-archive,mythtv-plugin-weather,mythtv-plugin-netvision,mythtv-plugin-gallery,mythtv-plugin-news,mythtv-mythweb,mythtv-plugin-music,mythtv-plugin-zoneminder
+colin	mythtv	mythtv-setup,mythtv,mythtv-frontend,mythtv-common,mythtv-themes-base,mythtv-backend,mythtv-doc
+dams	guvcview	guvcview
+dams	imagination	imagination
+dams	luvcview	luvcview
+dams	wxcam	wxcam
+dmorgan	libnut	libnut-utils
+dmorgan	qt-recordmydesktop	qt-recordmydesktop
+dmorgan	xavs	xavs
+dmorgan	xvidcap	xvidcap
+eatdirt	motion	motion
+fwang	gnome-subtitles	gnome-subtitles
+hman	vdr-plugin-xvdr	vdr-plugin-xvdr
+hman	xbmc-addon-xvdr	xbmc-addon-xvdr
+juancho	mlt	mlt
+juancho	qeven	qeven
+juancho	smtube	smtube
+nanardon	dvdrip	dvdrip
+nobody	a52dec	a52dec
+nobody	bangarang	bangarang
+nobody	dirac	dirac,dirac-utils
+nobody	dvbsnoop	dvbsnoop
+nobody	dvbstream	dvbstream
+nobody	dvbtune	dvbtune
+nobody	dvd-slideshow	dvd-slideshow
+nobody	dvgrab	dvgrab
+nobody	ekiga	ekiga
+nobody	gnash	gnash-tools
+nobody	kino	kino
+nobody	kmplayer	kmplayer-npplayer,kmplayer
+nobody	libdv	libdv-apps,libdv
+nobody	libkate	libkate-tools
+nobody	libquicktime	libquicktime-dv,libquicktime-faad,libquicktime-progs,libquicktime-lame,libquicktime-x264,libquicktime
+nobody	libtheora	libtheora
+nobody	luciole	luciole
+nobody	me-tv	me-tv
+nobody	mjpegtools	mjpegtools
+nobody	mpeg2dec	mpeg2dec
+nobody	mpgtx	mpgtx
+nobody	nvtv	nvtv
+nobody	schroedinger	schroedinger
+nobody	smilutils	smilutils
+nobody	subtitlecomposer	subtitlecomposer
+nobody	transcode	transcode
+nobody	vcdimager	vcdimager
+nobody	vdr-plugin-sc	vdr-plugin-sc
+nobody	vgrabbj	vgrabbj
+nobody	x264	x264
+nobody	xvattr	xvattr
+nobody	zvbi	lib64zvbi0,zvbi,libzvbi0
+obgr_seneca	feff	feff
+obgr_seneca	ffmulticonverter	ffmulticonverter
+obgr_seneca	kubeplayer	kubeplayer
+obgr_seneca	ogmtools	ogmtools
+obgr_seneca	projectx	projectx
+obgr_seneca	smplayer	smplayer
+obgr_seneca	smplayer-themes	smplayer-themes
+ofaurax	chaplin	chaplin
+shlomif	freeguide	freeguide
+shlomif	gstreamer0.10-decoders	gstreamer0.10-decoders
+shlomif	gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg	gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
+shlomif	gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad	gstreamer0.10-directfb,gstreamer0.10-kate,gstreamer0.10-cog,gstreamer0.10-schroedinger,gstreamer0.10-libass,gstreamer0.10-xvid,gstreamer0.10-dirac,gstreamer0.10-vdpau,gstreamer0.10-resindvd,gstreamer0.10-mpeg2enc,gstreamer0.10-celt,gstreamer0.10-vp8
+shlomif	gstreamer0.10-plugins-base	gstreamer0.10-libvisual
+shlomif	gstreamer0.10-plugins-good	gstreamer0.10-caca,gstreamer0.10-aalib,gstreamer0.10-dv
+shlomif	gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly	gstreamer0.10-mpeg,gstreamer0.10-x264
+shlomif	npapi-vlc	npapi-vlc
+shlomif	ps3mediaserver	ps3mediaserver
+shlomif	tv-fonts	tv-fonts
+shlomif	w_scan	w_scan
+shlomif	xawtv	xawtv-misc,xawtv,ttv,xawtv-control,streamer,motv,xawtv-common,fbtv
+shlomif	xine-ui	xine-ui-fb,xine-ui,xine-ui-aa
+steletch	themonospot-base	themonospot-base
+steletch	themonospot-console	themonospot-console
+steletch	themonospot-gui-gtk	themonospot-gui-gtk
+steletch	themonospot-gui-qt	themonospot-gui-qt
+steletch	themonospot-plugin-avi	themonospot-plugin-avi
+steletch	themonospot-plugin-mkv	themonospot-plugin-mkv
+stormi	gtk-recordmydesktop	gtk-recordmydesktop
+stormi	recordmydesktop	recordmydesktop
+vaci0	acidrip	acidrip
+vaci0	arista	arista
+vaci0	ffmpeg2theora	ffmpeg2theora
+vaci0	subtitleripper	subtitleripper
+wally	gaupol	gaupol
+wally	pitivi	pitivi
+wally	tvkaistagui	tvkaistagui
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+zezinho	mkvtoolnix	mkvtoolnix
+zezinho	tvtime	tvtime-doc,tvtime
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+?	rawtherapee	rawtherapee
+anaselli	tuxpaint	tuxpaint
+anaselli	tuxpaint-config	tuxpaint-config
+anaselli	tuxpaint-stamps	tuxpaint-stamps
+anssi	sk1libs	sk1libs
+anssi	uniconvertor	uniconvertor
+dams	cimg	cimg
+dams	gifsicle	gifsicle
+dams	icoutils	icoutils
+dams	irrlicht	irrlicht-examples,irrlicht-doc,irrlicht,irrlicht-media
+dams	mypaint	mypaint
+dams	phatch	phatch-doc,phatch,phatch-nautilus-bindings
+dams	wings3d	wings3d-povray,wings3d
+dmorgan	aoi	aoi
+dmorgan	aqsis	aqsis
+dmorgan	argyllcms	argyllcms
+dmorgan	clipart-openclipart	clipart-openclipart
+dmorgan	icclib	icclib
+dmorgan	jasper	jasper
+dmorgan	jbig2dec	jbig2dec
+dmorgan	jbigkit	jbigkit
+dmorgan	libicns	libicns-utils
+dmorgan	sane-frontends	sane-frontends
+dmorgan	sweethome3d	sweethome3d-3dmodels,sweethome3d
+grenoya	HDF	HDF-util
+guillomovitch	autopano-sift-C	autopano-sift-C
+juancho	kgraphviewer	lib64kgraphviewer3,libkgraphviewer3,kgraphviewer-devel,kgraphviewer
+juergen_harms	gerbv	gerbv-examples,libgerbv1,libgerbv-devel,lib64gerbv1,lib64gerbv-devel,gerbv
+kamil	susepaste	susepaste-screenshot
+malo	dot2tex	dot2tex
+matteo	clash	clash
+matteo	dbp-gimp	dbp-gimp
+matteo	gimp-plugin-bimp	gimp-plugin-bimp
+matteo	gimp-plugin-wavelet-decompose	gimp-plugin-wavelet-decompose
+matteo	gimp-plugin-wavelet-denoise	gimp-plugin-wavelet-denoise
+matteo	jp2a	jp2a
+matteo	kphotoalbum	kphotoalbum
+matteo	layerfx-gimp	layerfx-gimp
+matteo	mihphoto	mihphoto
+matteo	skychart	skychart-wikidoc,skychart
+matteo	swftools	swftools
+nanardon	dxf2fig	dxf2fig
+nanardon	xv	xv
+neoclust	libprojectm	libprojectm-data
+nobody	OpenEXR	OpenEXR
+nobody	animata	animata
+nobody	chbg	chbg
+nobody	compface	compface
+nobody	dcraw	dcraw-gimp2.0,dcraw
+nobody	enblend	enblend
+nobody	giftrans	giftrans
+nobody	gocr	gocr
+nobody	gpaint	gpaint
+nobody	gphoto2	gphoto2
+nobody	hugin	hugin
+nobody	lcms	lcms
+nobody	lcms2	lcms2
+nobody	libexif	libexif,lib64exif12,libexif12-common,libexif12
+nobody	libgphoto	libgphoto6,lib64gphoto6,libgphoto,libgphoto-common
+nobody	libjpeg	jpeg-progs
+nobody	libopenraw	libopenraw
+nobody	libpano13	libpano13-tools
+nobody	libpcd	libpcd,lib64pcd2,libpcd2
+nobody	libraw	libraw-tools
+nobody	librecad	librecad-parts,librecad-data,librecad-doc,librecad,librecad-plugins
+nobody	liquidlnf	liquidlnf
+nobody	mageia-theme	mageia-theme-Default-screensaver,mageia-theme-gnome,mageia-theme-extra,mageia-theme,mageia-theme-common,mageia-theme-Default,mageia-theme-kde-background
+nobody	mesa-demos	glxinfo,mesa-demos
+nobody	netpbm	netpbm
+nobody	opengl-games-utils	opengl-games-utils
+nobody	pandora	gimp2-pandora,pandora
+nobody	pdf2svg	pdf2svg
+nobody	plotutils	plotutils,lib64plotutils2,libplotutils2
+nobody	pngrewrite	pngrewrite
+nobody	potrace	potrace
+nobody	rapid-photo-downloader	rapid-photo-downloader
+nobody	sam2p	sam2p
+nobody	scrot	scrot
+nobody	synfigstudio	synfigstudio
+nobody	t1lib	t1lib-progs,t1lib-config
+nobody	task-scanning	task-scanning
+nobody	transfig	transfig
+nobody	ufraw	ufraw,ufraw-gimp
+nobody	unpaper	unpaper
+nobody	xfig	xfig
+nobody	xmorph	libmorph0-devel,libmorph0,xmorph,lib64morph0-devel,lib64morph0
+nobody	xwpick	xwpick
+nobody	yafray	yafray
+obgr_seneca	gpick	gpick
+obgr_seneca	mscgen	mscgen
+obgr_seneca	photo	photo
+ofaurax	agave	agave
+ofaurax	gnofract4d	gnofract4d
+ovitters	clutter-gst2	clutter-gst2,lib64clutter-gst2.0_0,libclutter-gst2.0_0
+petos	darktable	darktable
+sander85	exif	exif
+shlomif	gimp	gimp-python,gimp
+shlomif	gimp-data-extras	gimp-data-extras
+shlomif	gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad	gstreamer0.10-jp2k,gstreamer0.10-rsvg
+shlomif	xli	xli
+stewb	zbar	lib64zbar0,zbar,libzbar0,python-zbar
+stormi	feh	feh
+vaci0	gif2png	gif2png
+vaci0	pencil-planner	pencil-planner
+wally	iec16022	iec16022
+wally	jhead	jhead
+wally	luminance-hdr	luminance-hdr
+wally	osie	osie
+wally	pixelize	pixelize
+wally	pngnq	pngnq
+wally	ristretto	ristretto
+wally	zint	zint,zint-qt
+zezinho	fotowall	fotowall
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+fwang	gimp-help	gimp-help-en,gimp-help,gimp-help-ja,gimp-help-de,gimp-help-fi,gimp-help-es,gimp-help-zh_CN,gimp-help-el,gimp-help-nn,gimp-help-sv,gimp-help-fr,gimp-help-ko,gimp-help-ru,gimp-help-sl
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+<PRE>On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:11:03AM +0800, Joseph Wang wrote:
+&gt;<i> 1) IMHO, it's a lot nicer UI than Gnome 3.  It's basically a more
+</I>&gt;<i> advanced, prettier Gnome 2, with
+</I>&gt;<i> a KDE-ish menu.
+</I>
+This does not matter at all. If you want to package something, then
+you're pretty much free to do so.
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+There are only some logical rules, most basic ones:
+- be willing to maintain the packages for a long period (years)
+- be responsible for the bugs
+- upstream has to be active
+- don't cause problems for or bugs in other packages
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+&gt;<i> 2) It's actually pretty easy to drop in.  There are three RPMS, and
+</I>&gt;<i> they just sit on top of Gnome 3. The dependencies are all one way
+</I>&gt;<i> (i.e. cinnamon depends on Gnome 3, but nothing depends on cinnamon)
+</I>&gt;<i> The hard part with dealing with the install was to get the startup
+</I>&gt;<i> commands right.
+</I>
+That is not true. Cinnamon packaging problems caused GNOME to have
+(incorrect) dependencies on Cinnamon. This resulted in GNOME not
+starting. This aside from just the time it took to investigate (QA team)
+and the impact it had on one of the alpha releases (took a while to fix).
+
+As Cinnamon consists of various forks of existing GNOME packages, the
+likelihood of incorrect dependencies (or provides) is pretty high. As a
+result, this makes packaging Cinnamon more difficult than usual.
+
+If you spend loads of time on Mageia, or package loads of things that is
+greatly appreciated. But at the same time, we're all volunteers working
+together to make Mageia better. So even if you just maintain (IIRC) the
+3 packages needed for Cinnamon, that'll be still appreciated as long as
+Mageia overall improves.
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+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+    <B>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 04:58:19AM +0100, Remco Rijnders wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would help if you have / could share a breakdown of the above,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perhaps both per package and maintainer?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Added such a command to mga-gnome script:
+</I>&gt;<i>   mga-gnome group-owner &quot;Books/Computer books&quot; Books/Howtos \
+</I>&gt;<i>                         Books/Other Graphics Office Sound Video
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> See attached for the output. Output is per group, then on 1 line:
+</I>&gt;<i> owner / source package / (sub)packages
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Thanks Olav!!! :-)
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+&gt;<i> On 27 November 2012 04:31, David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can you update python-lxml to 3.0.1 or is there any reason it wasn't updated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> yet?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> just because <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org">http://check.mageia.org</A> did not told me to update it ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's missing an awful lot these days, as it's not checking Fedora, Mandriva/ROSA, and some other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> things that would be helpful.  I'm concerned about this, as it would be really nice if we could have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> things reasonably on par with Fedora 18 for Mageia 3.  Fedora 18 is supposed to form the basis of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> RHEL 7, so having things reasonably in sync with them would be very helpful for stable support of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 3 going forward.  I really hope youri could be fixed soon.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It used to do so.
+</I>&gt;<i> I already complained. without any result.
+</I>
+Is there a doc or trace somewhere of what should/could be done/fixed
+for that? (aside from bugs in
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=check.mageia.org">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=check.mageia.org</A>).
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+&gt;<i> 2012/11/27 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 27 November 2012 04:31, David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; can you update python-lxml to 3.0.1 or is there any reason it wasn't
+</I>&gt;<i> updated
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; yet?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; just because <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org">http://check.mageia.org</A> did not told me to update it ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It's missing an awful lot these days, as it's not checking Fedora,
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva/ROSA, and some other
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; things that would be helpful.  I'm concerned about this, as it would be
+</I>&gt;<i> really nice if we could have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; things reasonably on par with Fedora 18 for Mageia 3.  Fedora 18 is
+</I>&gt;<i> supposed to form the basis of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; RHEL 7, so having things reasonably in sync with them would be very
+</I>&gt;<i> helpful for stable support of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia 3 going forward.  I really hope youri could be fixed soon.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It used to do so.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I already complained. without any result.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there a doc or trace somewhere of what should/could be done/fixed
+</I>&gt;<i> for that? (aside from bugs in
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=check.mageia.org">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=check.mageia.org</A>).
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's missing an awful lot these days, as it's not checking Fedora, Mandriva/ROSA, and some other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> things that would be helpful.  I'm concerned about this, as it would be really nice if we could have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> things reasonably on par with Fedora 18 for Mageia 3.  Fedora 18 is supposed to form the basis of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> RHEL 7, so having things reasonably in sync with them would be very helpful for stable support of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 3 going forward.  I really hope youri could be fixed soon.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It used to do so.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I already complained. without any result.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there a doc or trace somewhere of what should/could be done/fixed
+</I>&gt;<i> for that? (aside from bugs in
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=check.mageia.org">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=check.mageia.org</A>).
+</I>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7818">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7818</A> needs fixing
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+as usual our meeting will happen at 20H UTC on #mageia-dev.
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+Here are the proposed topics:
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+- quick summary of DDG integration
+- Beta 1 deadline and Mageia 3 features: installer, upgrade process, 
+groups management, packages mass rebuild, blocker bugs
+- Improve / remember /write policy about packages management (see last 
+thread about cinamon)
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+As usual feel free to propose any other topic
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+Cheers
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+-- 
+Anne
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+urpmi now have basic support for delta rpms, aka it can install them
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+We could think about providing updates as delta rpms for mga3.
+Example for libreoffice:
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+core/release/libreoffice-writer-3.5.3.2-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm and
+libreoffice-writer-3.5.5.3-0.3.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+are 4,2M big but:
+makedeltarpm core/release/libreoffice-writer-3.5.3.2-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+core/updates/libreoffice-writer-3.5.5.3-0.3.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+/tmp/libreoffice-writer-3.5.5.3-0.3.mga2.x86_64.drpm2
+results in a 405k delta rpm.
+Aka a 10 fold reduction in download needs.
+
+We should think about what's needed:
+- new deltarpm update media to hold deltarpms ?
+- recording source version in synthesis
+- keeping:
+  o all deltarpm (not as big as full classic rpms)
+  o or only keeping both:
+    * core/release &gt; latest core/updates
+    * previous core/updates &gt; latest core/updates
+- option do disable deltarpm support in /etc/urpmi.cfg?
+- having a fallback in urpmi if applydeltarpm fails
+- having urpmi select the right package
+  o either deltarpm if there's one for installed_version -&gt; update_version path
+  o or regular update package else
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> - quick summary of DDG integration
+</I>&gt;<i> - Beta 1 deadline and Mageia 3 features: installer, upgrade process, groups
+</I>&gt;<i> management, packages mass rebuild, blocker bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> - Improve / remember /write policy about packages management (see last
+</I>&gt;<i> thread about cinamon)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As usual feel free to propose any other topic
+</I>
+urpmi now have basic support for delta rpms, aka it can install them
+(never worked before).
+We could think about providing updates as delta rpms for mga3.
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+See my mail to this ml
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+<PRE>Al 24/11/12 21:38, En/na John Balcaen ha escrit:
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+&gt;<i> [keyfile]
+</I>&gt;<i> hostname=aker.cauldron.lan.littleboboy.net &lt;<A HREF="http://aker.cauldron.lan.littleboboy.net">http://aker.cauldron.lan.littleboboy.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> it's mean that i'm using the keyfile plugin (read [1] or man NetworkManager.conf for more details) &amp; ask nm to to also start dnsmasq for me.
+</I>&gt;<i> I also setup the hostname to set in nm in the keyfile section.
+</I>
+I omitted this section and &quot;bad things happened&quot; i.e. after a short while kde started, applications complained that they couldn't open display :0, in fact the kde taskbar couldn't launch any application, not even the shutdown applet.
+Right after kde started I managed to launch a konsole (with font sizes messed up, btw) and I could see the cause why further applications wouldn't start.
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+Bye
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+Luca
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+both automount on login and automount on attach are checked. But nothing 
+is getting automounted.
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+Likewise, if I load a blank DVD and bring up the device notifier and 
+check the &quot;Mount&quot; button, nothing happens.
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+Automounting was working fine a couple of days ago.  I update cauldron 
+once or twice a day, but hadn't rebooted until this morning.
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+The only indication that appears in syslog when KDE recogizes the blank 
+DVD is:
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+Nov 27 13:35:19 localhost systemd-udevd[29398]: failed to execute 
+'/usr/lib/udev/socket:/org/kernel/dm/multipath_event' 
+'socket:/org/kernel/dm/multipath_event': No such file or directory
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+There is nothing in syslog when I click the Mount button on the device 
+notifier.
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+This happened for a while back  in January: 
+<A HREF="http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/11591">http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/11591</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 26/11/12 15:19 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I've googled for hours before writing the message and as usual, simply
+</I>&gt;<i> increased my blood pressure with no solutions |-( Maybe you'll have
+</I>&gt;<i> better luck.
+</I>
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+Seems there is already a patch upstream from our good friend Frederic
+Crozat:
+<A HREF="http://openvpn.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=openvpn/openvpn-testing.git;a=commit;h=9449e6a9eba30c9ed054f57d630a88c9f087080f">http://openvpn.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=openvpn/openvpn-testing.git;a=commit;h=9449e6a9eba30c9ed054f57d630a88c9f087080f</A>
+
+I've applied this to both cauldron and the update package in mga2.
+
+Please let me know if it works for you. Ideally please update the bug
+such that it can be used for validation purposes.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8200">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8200</A>
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+Cheers
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+Col
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+This looks huge to me; actually it takes more memory that my 
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+We're back to devfs? :)
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+&gt;<i> - option do disable deltarpm support in /etc/urpmi.cfg?
+</I>
+Yes, and in GUI too.
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+&gt;<i> - having a fallback in urpmi if applydeltarpm fails
+</I>
+This should not happen, as our QA is doing a good job?
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+&gt;<i> - having urpmi select the right package
+</I>&gt;<i>    o either deltarpm if there's one for installed_version -&gt;  update_version path
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+</I>&gt;<i>
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+    <B>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou</B> 
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+&gt;&gt;<i> - having urpmi select the right package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> o either deltarpm if there's one for installed_version -&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update_version path
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> o or regular update package else
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, we should not provide both, or delta rpm is useless
+</I>
+It's not useless, as it still limits the amount to be downloaded in most 
+cases. It increases slightly the mirror size though.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and eatdirt at 27/11/12 20:21 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 385 root      20   0  278m  20m  19m S    0  1.0   0:00.24 systemd-journal
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+</I>&gt;<i> This looks huge to me; actually it takes more memory that my
+</I>&gt;<i> windowmanager (fvwm2) just for logging?
+</I>
+Doesn't look too big to me. While 19megs isn't tiny, it's also not
+crazy. For me here I'm on about 2.5megs, but it's only been up a day and
+a half, so it might creep up from here.
+
+How long have you been up?
+
+Col
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+colin(at)mageia.org
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+&gt;<i> tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 1.75-11.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 322380
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild with kernel-3.4.20-1.mga2
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+&gt;<i> Doesn't look too big to me. While 19megs isn't tiny, it's also not
+</I>&gt;<i> crazy. For me here I'm on about 2.5megs, but it's only been up a day and
+</I>&gt;<i> a half, so it might creep up from here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How long have you been up?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+not too much, just one day; do you have a tail where I can check what 
+systemd-journal actually logs in my system?
+
+thanks!
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+&gt;<i> On 27 November 2012 20:11, tmb &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 1.75-11.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 322380
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild with kernel-3.4.20-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW we need to include sh (thus busybox) again
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and eatdirt at 27/11/12 22:39 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 27/11/12 23:10, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doesn't look too big to me. While 19megs isn't tiny, it's also not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> crazy. For me here I'm on about 2.5megs, but it's only been up a day and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a half, so it might creep up from here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How long have you been up?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> not too much, just one day; do you have a tail where I can check what
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-journal actually logs in my system?
+</I>
+tail as in journalctl -f?
+
+See also:
+
+<A HREF="http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/journalctl.html">http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/journalctl.html</A>
+
+There are other journal related articles here, but they are mainly aimed
+at devs.
+<A HREF="http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd">http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd</A>
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Sorry for the wrong title ...
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 26/11/12 17:30, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dear packagers,
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some progress has happened on the RPM group move. Thanks a lot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However there is still a lot to do before the Beta 1 and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mass-rebuild.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The main categories that need still to be changed are:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Obsolete group       | number of remaining packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Books/Computer books   21
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Books/Howtos           2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Books/Other            26
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Graphics               296
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Office                 134
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sound                  419
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Video                  440
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Total = 1338
+</I>
+Today, 1273 remains to be changed. Thanks!
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+    <B>Liam R E Quin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Em 27-11-2012 17:10, Thierry Vignaud escreveu:
+</I>
+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; - having urpmi select the right package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;    o either deltarpm if there's one for installed_version -&gt;  update_version path
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;    o or regular update package else
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Well, we should not provide both, or delta rpm is useless
+</I>
+delta rpm would be awesome for those of us with limited bandwidth.
+
+Dial-up modems are still common out here.
+
+Another possibility might be a service that gets told which package
+version you have, and which you want, and tries to build a delta rpm,
+keeping a cache; the cache could be pre-populated with the most common
+entries. But that would necessitate the ability to run a program on the
+mirror.
+
+Liam
+
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+Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
+Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml
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+    <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi all...
+
+I have a curious problem with NM and initscripts mix...
+I tried to move one of my boxes to a full NM setup, no sysv network scripts.
+So I set my NetworkManager.conf like this:
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+[main]
+plugins=keyfile
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+no-auto-default=*
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+[keyfile]
+hostname=werewolf.xxx.xxx
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+Configured the network with nm-connection-editor (static IP), and got a file
+in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/Ethernet:
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+mac-address=....
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+timestamp=1354033074
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+method=ignore
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+[ipv4]
+method=manual
+dns=....
+dns-search=...
+addresses1=...
+may-fail=false
+
+And finally I deleted ifcfg-eth0 from /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts.
+
+Network starts and stops ok, but on reboot, some process inists on creating
+a ifcfg-eth0 file, with this setup:
+
+DEVICE=eth0
+BOOTPROTO=dhcp
+ONBOOT=yes
+
+which breaks networking on systems that have a fixed IP, and works by chance
+if you use DHCP.
+
+Who creates that ? How can I kill it ?
+
+TIA
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 28 novembre 2012 00:04:33 Adrien Guichard a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Qt5 is build without wayland platform support:
+</I>&gt;<i> $ /usr/lib/qt5/bin/designer  -platform wayland
+</I>&gt;<i> Failed to load platform plugin &quot;wayland&quot;. Available platforms are:
+</I>&gt;<i> linuxfb
+</I>&gt;<i> minimal
+</I>&gt;<i> xcb
+</I>&gt;<i> [. . .]
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be cool to test wayland with Qt5 linked programs.
+</I>
+Hi,
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+yes this is planned. I try to build _all_ the submodules and i will enable 
+wayland, but thanks for the reminder.
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+    <B>Olivier Blin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Network starts and stops ok, but on reboot, some process inists on creating
+</I>&gt;<i> a ifcfg-eth0 file, with this setup:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> DEVICE=eth0
+</I>&gt;<i> BOOTPROTO=dhcp
+</I>&gt;<i> ONBOOT=yes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> which breaks networking on systems that have a fixed IP, and works by chance
+</I>&gt;<i> if you use DHCP.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Who creates that ?
+</I>
+This is created by udev rules.
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+&gt;<i> How can I kill it ?
+</I>
+You can just set NM_CONTROLLED=yes in the generated ifcfg files.
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+00007f81c6342533 sp 00007fff9be95c08 error 4 in
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+Nov 28 13:17:53 ThinkFox kernel: traps: evolution[11958] general
+protection ip:7fb7414405a1 sp:7fffde035338 error:0 in
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nov 28 13:17:33 ThinkFox kernel: evolution[11598]: segfault at 74 ip
+</I>&gt;<i> 00007f81c6342533 sp 00007fff9be95c08 error 4 in
+</I>&gt;<i> libwebkitgtk-3.0.so.0.17.4[7f81c5c7c000+17cd000]
+</I>&gt;<i> Nov 28 13:17:53 ThinkFox kernel: traps: evolution[11958] general
+</I>&gt;<i> protection ip:7fb7414405a1 sp:7fffde035338 error:0 in
+</I>&gt;<i> libwebkitgtk-3.0.so.0.17.4[7fb740d7a000+17cd000]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this an Evolution issue or libwebkitgtk-3.0.so.0.17.4 issue?
+</I>
+
+probably libwebkitgtk unless evolution calls it with strange parameters
+
+&gt;<i> Should i file a bug?
+</I>
+
+Yes, and please:
+- Install webkit-debug and evolution-debug from Debug media
+- Run evolution inside gdb:
+ * run &quot;gdb evolution&quot; in a terminal
+ * type &quot;run&quot; and enter
+ * after the crash type &quot;set logging on&quot; to enable logging to file and
+then &quot;thread apply all bt full&quot;
+- Attach gdb.txt to the bug report
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+Thanks
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Nov 28 13:17:33 ThinkFox kernel: evolution[11598]: segfault at 74 ip
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 00007f81c6342533 sp 00007fff9be95c08 error 4 in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libwebkitgtk-3.0.so.0.17.4[7f81c5c7c000+17cd000]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Nov 28 13:17:53 ThinkFox kernel: traps: evolution[11958] general
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; protection ip:7fb7414405a1 sp:7fffde035338 error:0 in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libwebkitgtk-3.0.so.0.17.4[7fb740d7a000+17cd000]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is this an Evolution issue or libwebkitgtk-3.0.so.0.17.4 issue?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> probably libwebkitgtk unless evolution calls it with strange parameters
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Should i file a bug?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, and please:
+</I>&gt;<i> - Install webkit-debug and evolution-debug from Debug media
+</I>&gt;<i> - Run evolution inside gdb:
+</I>&gt;<i>  * run &quot;gdb evolution&quot; in a terminal
+</I>&gt;<i>  * type &quot;run&quot; and enter
+</I>&gt;<i>  * after the crash type &quot;set logging on&quot; to enable logging to file and
+</I>&gt;<i> then &quot;thread apply all bt full&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Attach gdb.txt to the bug report
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>
+I will see what I can do - I am a bit pressed for time now with a new
+project underway . . . and normally I try to avoid loading -debug
+packages on my work laptop . . .
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+Cheers,
+R.Fox
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> You can just set NM_CONTROLLED=yes in the generated ifcfg files.
+</I>
+If the interface is configured using NetworkManager, why doesn't NM itself create the file, if it doesn't exist, and add the line, to prevent this?
+Perhaps a checkbox could be added to make it happen.
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+&gt;<i> normally I try to avoid loading -debug packages on my work laptop
+</I>
+I have the same feeling with regardds to my computers.
+What I do in these situations is to install the debug packages, run the application in gdb, record the debug info, and then uninstall the debug packages.
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+&gt;<i> If the interface is configured using NetworkManager, why doesn't NM 
+</I>&gt;<i> itself create the file, if it doesn't exist, and add the line, to 
+</I>&gt;<i> prevent this? Perhaps a checkbox could be added to make it happen. 
+</I>&gt;<i> Just thinking out loud. 
+</I>NM doesn't need ifcfg files, and without the file being there, udev has 
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 28. November 2012 14.17, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> NM doesn't need ifcfg files
+</I>&gt;<i> But udev or some other proccess does. My point was to add the line to the ifcfg files in order to prevent the other proccesses from fighting with NM for controll over the network interfaces, when the interface is beeing setup with NM.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>It's kind of backwards.  NM expects to be in control of everything by 
+default rather than to coexist with initscripts.  If it was, there'd be 
+no ifcfg files.  If it sees an ifcfg file and it contains 
+NM_CONTROLLED=NO, then it leaves the interface alone.
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+At the time udev runs, it doesn't have any way to know that an interface 
+is controlled by NM unless someone has created an ifcfg file with 
+NM_CONTROLLED=YES.  With no file there, creating a file containing YES 
+would be useless because with no file there at all, NM will grab the 
+interface anyway.
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+It's sort of a catch-22.  udev is assuming that ifplugd is the default 
+because on MGA3 that is true.  NM is assuming that *it* is the default 
+because that's how it was designed.
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+On 26/11/12 13:33, Anne Wilson wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 25/11/12 17:22, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 14:01 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Since there's no identification in the message, all I could 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> suggest is a brute-force search of all files on the root or 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr partitons for the string &quot;ConsoleKit&quot;, which appears in 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the error message. Then, identify the package which owns the 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file using rpmdrake.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Makes sense.  The only problem is I don't know how to do that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I tried to use a combination of cat and grep, but there is no 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> recursive flag, so that won't work.  How would you do it?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (1) grep -l -r ConsoleKit . this is easiest; -r is &quot;recursive&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But it will cross file system boundaries, so if you do it from /
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it will go into /use and /media and anywhere else it can find!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (2) find / /usr -type f -xdev -print0 | xargs -0 grep -l
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ConsoleKit This is the usual &quot;find&quot; approach. -type f means only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> print names of files, not directories, symbolic links or device
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> files... -xdev means don't stray into other filesystems like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /home -print0 is the same as -print (prints each matching name)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but prints the filenames with a NUL (character 0, hence the 0 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -print0) after each name, instead of putting each file on a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> separate line. This is needed because of filenames containing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> spaces or newlines.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> xargs reads a list of files, one per line, or, with -0 (again the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  digit zero) separated by NUL bytes; it runs the command on each
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the files
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The -l option to grep says to print just the filename, needed in 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> case there are binaries that contain the string.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Perfect.  The 'find' returns
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0 /usr/lib/packagekitd 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core-1.so.1.103.0 /usr/bin/xdm 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin/gnome-session /usr/share/doc/nautilus/NEWS 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/doc/dbus/NEWS 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/doc/networkmanager-applet/ChangeLog 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/doc/sane-backends-1.0.23/ChangeLog 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/doc/gnome-power-manager/NEWS 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/gtk-doc/html/gio/gdbus.html 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/gtk-doc/html/NetworkManager/ref-migrating.html 
+</I>&gt;<i> /root/.bash_history /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db 
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/lib/rpm/Providename /var/run.runmove~/ConsoleKit/database 
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/log/journal/2d49f2c66f3a45939d7973a4109a2e81/<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">system at 0004cf2cec30ebaa-f4cbcc04fef75c0b.journal</A>~
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>/var/log/journal/2d49f2c66f3a45939d7973a4109a2e81/<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">system at 0004ce3e93292fec-435b91656aa64987.journal</A>~
+&gt;<i> /etc/security/msec/perm.netbook /etc/security/msec/perm.standard 
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/security/msec/perm.webserver 
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/security/msec/perm.fileserver /etc/security/msec/perm.secure 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0 /usr/lib/packagekitd 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core-1.so.1.103.0 /usr/bin/xdm 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin/gnome-session /usr/share/doc/nautilus/NEWS 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/doc/dbus/NEWS 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/doc/networkmanager-applet/ChangeLog 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/doc/sane-backends-1.0.23/ChangeLog 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/doc/gnome-power-manager/NEWS 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/gtk-doc/html/gio/gdbus.html 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/gtk-doc/html/NetworkManager/ref-migrating.html
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>No-one able to help?
+
+Anne
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+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 28. November 2012 12.44, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can just set NM_CONTROLLED=yes in the generated ifcfg files.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the interface is configured using NetworkManager, why doesn't NM itself create the file, if it doesn't exist, and add the line, to prevent this?
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps a checkbox could be added to make it happen.
+</I>
+Because the GUI tools and the installer always create this file. Except 
+hackers, no one removes it, ans MCC adds  NM_CONTROLLED=yes if you check 
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+&gt;<i> blue_prawn &lt;blue_prawn&gt; 0.3-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 322631
+</I>&gt;<i> - no change, only a rebuild
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 28/11/12 13:14 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 28. November 2012 13.39, Robert Fox wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> normally I try to avoid loading -debug packages on my work laptop
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I have the same feeling with regardds to my computers.
+</I>&gt;<i> What I do in these situations is to install the debug packages, run the application in gdb, record the debug info, and then uninstall the debug packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You don't have to keep the debug packages installed after you've collected the debug info.
+</I>
+Longer term it would be nice to be able to have a service to upload the
+core files and then generate the backtrace remotely.
+
+Easy enough for stable releases, but not so much for cauldron with it's
+rolling state.
+
+It should also become easier when we have the journal more integrated as
+it can store core files for us and be integrated nicely with automatic
+uploads etc.
+
+All pie in the sky for now tho'.
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 28/11/12 13:33 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 11/28/2012 08:23 AM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wednesday 28. November 2012 14.17, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> NM doesn't need ifcfg files
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But udev or some other proccess does. My point was to add the line to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the ifcfg files in order to prevent the other proccesses from fighting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with NM for controll over the network interfaces, when the interface
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is beeing setup with NM.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's kind of backwards.  NM expects to be in control of everything by
+</I>&gt;<i> default rather than to coexist with initscripts.  If it was, there'd be
+</I>&gt;<i> no ifcfg files.  If it sees an ifcfg file and it contains
+</I>&gt;<i> NM_CONTROLLED=NO, then it leaves the interface alone.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> At the time udev runs, it doesn't have any way to know that an interface
+</I>&gt;<i> is controlled by NM unless someone has created an ifcfg file with
+</I>&gt;<i> NM_CONTROLLED=YES.  With no file there, creating a file containing YES
+</I>&gt;<i> would be useless because with no file there at all, NM will grab the
+</I>&gt;<i> interface anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It's sort of a catch-22.  udev is assuming that ifplugd is the default
+</I>&gt;<i> because on MGA3 that is true.  NM is assuming that *it* is the default
+</I>&gt;<i> because that's how it was designed.
+</I>
+I thought the default had flipped to being &quot;if the NM_CONTROLLED does
+not exist, then assume it's true&quot; before mga2 came out.
+
+I'm maybe mis-remembering tho'. Blino can you correct me??
+
+Col
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Perfect.  The 'find' returns
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/packagekitd
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core-1.so.1.103.0
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin/xdm
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin/gnome-session
+</I>I'd say these are the only candidates for a runtime error.  Rerun the 
+find on /usr/lib and /usr/bin with the full filename that was being 
+looked for (org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit), or you could just use the 
+strings command on each of these guys and pipe the result into grep to 
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+    <B>David Walser</B> 
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+<A HREF="http://cyberarms.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/an-eleven-character-linux-denial-of-service-attack-how-to-defend-against-it/">http://cyberarms.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/an-eleven-character-linux-denial-of-service-attack-how-to-defend-against-it/</A>
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+This also reminded me that we don't have protection against this out of the box in Mageia.
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+I checked on Fedora, and it turns out they do, as described here:
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=432903">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=432903</A>
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+Their pam package has a /etc/security/limits.d/90-nproc.conf file that has:
+# Default limit for number of user's processes to prevent
+# accidental fork bombs.
+# See rhbz #432903 for reasoning.
+
+*&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; soft&#160;&#160;&#160; nproc&#160;&#160;&#160; 1024
+
+As the last comment on the bug says, it's a bit confusing that it's in limits.d/ and not the limits.conf file itself, and in fact I'm not sure what is responsible for processing limits.d/* as limits.conf says nothing about it (Fedora's is the exact same as ours).&#160; Anyway, one way or another it would be nice to have this limit set by default on Mageia, IMHO.&#160; WDYT?
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Their pam package has a /etc/security/limits.d/90-nproc.conf file that has:
+</I>
+&gt;<i> *        soft    nproc    1024
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> As the last comment on the bug says, it's a bit confusing that it's in limits.d/ and not the limits.conf file itself, 
+</I>
+His point is that any limits set in &#171;/etc/security/limits.d/&#187; overrides the &#171;limits.conf&#187; file.
+
+&gt;<i> and in fact I'm not sure what is responsible for processing limits.d/* as limits.conf says nothing about it (Fedora's is the exact same as ours).  
+</I>
+We should add some comments in &#171;/etc/security/limits.conf&#187; about it.
+
+&gt;<i> Anyway, one way or another it would be nice to have this limit set by default on Mageia, IMHO.  WDYT?
+</I>
+I think we should have this.
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+&gt;<i> On 28 November 2012 15:44, blue_prawn &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blue_prawn &lt;blue_prawn&gt; 0.3-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 322631
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - no change, only a rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please tell why you rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i> eg: &quot;rebuild for new ocaml&quot; or whatever instead of &quot;no change...&quot;
+</I>
+malo (other ocaml packager) suggests me to put &quot;rebuild for Beta 1&quot;
+
+but this is the goal, not the origine,
+the reason is because a dependency was rebuild.
+in ocaml if a dependency is rebuild, all the dependents and
+sub-dependents have to be rebuild.
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+So which log message would you prefer:
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+- rebuild because dependency rebuilt
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+&gt;<i> 2012/11/28, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 28 November 2012 15:44, blue_prawn &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blue_prawn &lt;blue_prawn&gt; 0.3-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 322631
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - no change, only a rebuild
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please tell why you rebuild
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> eg: &quot;rebuild for new ocaml&quot; or whatever instead of &quot;no change...&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> malo (other ocaml packager) suggests me to put &quot;rebuild for Beta 1&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but this is the goal, not the origine,
+</I>&gt;<i> the reason is because a dependency was rebuild.
+</I>&gt;<i> in ocaml if a dependency is rebuild, all the dependents and
+</I>&gt;<i> sub-dependents have to be rebuild.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So which log message would you prefer:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for Beta 1
+</I>
+this one:
+
+&gt;<i> - rebuild because dependency rebuilt
+</I>
+as it's the real reason.
+
+or more like:
+
+- rebuild for new ocaml
+
+(or wichever package &quot;triggered&quot; the need for rebuild)
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+--
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8230">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8230</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --- Comment #2 from Pierre Jarillon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jarillon at free.fr</A>&gt; 2012-11-28 20:10:35 CET ---
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I know! But have you ever see some newbies? A newbie needs more than 10s
+</I>&gt;<i> to read and to understand the first screen. More, the choice of the language
+</I>&gt;<i> should  be the first step.
+</I>&gt;<i> You are an advanced user, I am an advanced user too but the aim of Mageia is to
+</I>&gt;<i> be easy for new users. Never forget this.
+</I>&gt;<i> To set the timeout to 0 (infinite) is a very good solution for everybody.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hardly, as it prevents unattended rebooting. :-)
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+Anyway, IIRC the help for Kill Timer is right on the screen.
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+&gt;<i> On 11/28/2012 02:10 PM, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8230">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8230</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- Comment #2 from Pierre Jarillon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jarillon at free.fr</A>&gt; 2012-11-28 20:10:35
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> CET ---
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, I know! But have you ever see some newbies? A newbie needs more than
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 10s
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to read and to understand the first screen. More, the choice of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> language
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should  be the first step.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You are an advanced user, I am an advanced user too but the aim of Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be easy for new users. Never forget this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To set the timeout to 0 (infinite) is a very good solution for everybody.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hardly, as it prevents unattended rebooting. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, IIRC the help for Kill Timer is right on the screen.
+</I>
+Also in the rare case of a keyboard not working having a timeout is
+useful to allow the install system to proceed.
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+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 28. November 2012 17.53, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Their pam package has a /etc/security/limits.d/90-nproc.conf file that has:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> *        soft    nproc    1024
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As the last comment on the bug says, it's a bit confusing that it's in limits.d/ and not the limits.conf file itself,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> His point is that any limits set in &#171;/etc/security/limits.d/&#187; overrides the &#171;limits.conf&#187; file.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and in fact I'm not sure what is responsible for processing limits.d/* as limits.conf says nothing about it (Fedora's is the exact same as ours).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We should add some comments in &#171;/etc/security/limits.conf&#187; about it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyway, one way or another it would be nice to have this limit set by default on Mageia, IMHO.  WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we should have this.
+</I>
+This is also being discussed in the usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mageia.
+
+I've confirmed the forkbomb will kill my Mageia 2 x86-64 system, with
+the default value for nprocs of 127910.  Interestingly, it doesn't kill
+the system if I run the forkbomb right after rebooting, only if it's been
+in use for a while.  This is a quad core with 16GB of ram.
+
+I've added a line to /etc/security/limits.conf on my system, with
+*               hard    nproc           10000
+
+The forkbomb no longer has impact, except for the need to kill all
+of the user's bash processes.
+
+# ps -A|wc -l
+218
+
+I think 10000 should be more than adequate, yet low enough to stop the
+bomb from killing the system.
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I have the same feeling with regardds to my computers.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What I do in these situations is to install the debug packages, run the application in gdb, record the debug info, and then uninstall the debug packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You don't have to keep the debug packages installed after you've collected the debug info.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Longer term it would be nice to be able to have a service to upload the
+</I>&gt;<i> core files and then generate the backtrace remotely.
+</I>
+libreport and the associated packages do that...
+But that's less needed now that we have minidebug info.
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+&gt;<i> shikamaru &lt;shikamaru&gt; 1.1.5-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 322704
+</I>&gt;<i> - bump rel and fix RPM Group
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> On 11/28/2012 02:10 PM, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8230">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8230</A>
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+&gt;<i> Anyway, IIRC the help for Kill Timer is right on the screen.
+</I>
+We are not testing the same distro :-( 
+F1 Help is ont the bottom left and the content is not understandable for most 
+people even if they understand english:
+* splash -- influence the behevior of the splash screen
+* apm -- toggle power management
+* acpi --  advanced configuration and power interface
+* idle  -- control the ide subsystem
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+Pierre Jarillon - <A HREF="http://pjarillon.free.fr/">http://pjarillon.free.fr/</A>
+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org">http://abul.org</A>
+Microsoft est &#224; l'informatique ce que McDonald est &#224; la gastronomie
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+&gt;<i> Florent Monnier skrev 28.11.2012 20:39:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/11/28, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 28 November 2012 15:44, blue_prawn &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blue_prawn &lt;blue_prawn&gt; 0.3-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 322631
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - no change, only a rebuild
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please tell why you rebuild
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> eg: &quot;rebuild for new ocaml&quot; or whatever instead of &quot;no change...&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> malo (other ocaml packager) suggests me to put &quot;rebuild for Beta 1&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but this is the goal, not the origine,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the reason is because a dependency was rebuild.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in ocaml if a dependency is rebuild, all the dependents and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sub-dependents have to be rebuild.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So which log message would you prefer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for Beta 1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this one:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild because dependency rebuilt
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> as it's the real reason.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or more like:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for new ocaml
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (or wichever package &quot;triggered&quot; the need for rebuild)
+</I>
+
+So it should have been:
+- rebuild for new xmlm
+
+
+I do have a question related to this issue:
+
+Should ocaml libs in Cauldron be maintained usable?
+
+For example if I've rebuild xmlm 3 months ago, there is nothing to
+change in xtmpl, so currently I just wait before Mageia's release to
+rebuild all that needs to be.
+
+That means that during these 3 months, xtmpls didn't worked in Cauldron.
+Is that bad?
+
+=========
+
+In case that's bad, I'm wondering how I should handle this.
+- I can just icrem the mkrel of all ocaml libs.
+(I can write the script to do this in 5 minutes.)
+
+- I can create a dependency graph, so when I rebuilt xmlm 3 months
+ago, I can use the dependcy graph to know the exhaustive list of
+dependents that also need to be rebuild.
+(I can write the script to do this in maybe 1 evening)
+
+-- 
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So it should have been:
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for new xmlm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yep.
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+&gt;<i> I do have a question related to this issue:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should ocaml libs in Cauldron be maintained usable?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yep.
+we want cauldron to stay in as good condition as possible,
+to catch bugs early...
+
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+&gt;<i> For example if I've rebuild xmlm 3 months ago, there is nothing to
+</I>&gt;<i> change in xtmpl, so currently I just wait before Mageia's release to
+</I>&gt;<i> rebuild all that needs to be.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That means that during these 3 months, xtmpls didn't worked in Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> Is that bad?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, thats bad. It should be as usable as possible all the time to catch
+bugs early. and we have a BS that is capable of handling the load
+
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+&gt;<i> =========
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In case that's bad, I'm wondering how I should handle this.
+</I>&gt;<i> - I can just icrem the mkrel of all ocaml libs.
+</I>&gt;<i> (I can write the script to do this in 5 minutes.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That's normally what happends when deps are updated (for example several 
+libs has this effect)
+
+The dependent packages should be rebuilt as soon as possible to keep
+the breakage minimal. It will then be easier for other needing to
+use / rely on the packages....
+
+&gt;<i> - I can create a dependency graph, so when I rebuilt xmlm 3 months
+</I>&gt;<i> ago, I can use the dependcy graph to know the exhaustive list of
+</I>&gt;<i> dependents that also need to be rebuild.
+</I>&gt;<i> (I can write the script to do this in maybe 1 evening)
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - I can just icrem the mkrel of all ocaml libs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (I can write the script to do this in 5 minutes.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's normally what happends when deps are updated (for example several
+</I>&gt;<i> libs has this effect)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The dependent packages should be rebuilt as soon as possible to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> the breakage minimal. It will then be easier for other needing to
+</I>&gt;<i> use / rely on the packages....
+</I>
+[...]
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+&gt;&gt;<i> - I can create a dependency graph, so when I rebuilt xmlm 3 months
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ago, I can use the dependcy graph to know the exhaustive list of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dependents that also need to be rebuild.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (I can write the script to do this in maybe 1 evening)
+</I>
+
+No, I mean there are 2 possible ways to do what you want me to do.
+
+1) I could just send ALL the ocaml libs, when only some needs to be sent.
+2) I could also only send those that need to
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+1) is not hard to do
+2) is more difficult
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+Is there an rpm command line option to get the list of the dependents
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+&gt;<i> but maybe rpm is my friend and I'm just not aware of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there an rpm command line option to get the list of the dependents
+</I>&gt;<i> of a given lib?
+</I>
+eg for glibc-devel:
+urpmf --requires glibc-devel
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+Now you may have to look for 'pkgconfig(foobar)' too. eg:
+urpmf --requires --literal 'pkgconfig(glibc)'
+
+&gt;<i> (Those in BuildRequire, not only Require)
+</I>
+just add and enable source media prior to running above commands.
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+&gt;<i> On 28 November 2012 21:35, Florent Monnier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">monnier.florent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but maybe rpm is my friend and I'm just not aware of it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there an rpm command line option to get the list of the dependents
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of a given lib?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> eg for glibc-devel:
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmf --requires glibc-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now you may have to look for 'pkgconfig(foobar)' too. eg:
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmf --requires --literal 'pkgconfig(glibc)'
+</I>
+
+It seems it don't work for ocaml libs,
+there's not xtmpl in the results:
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+$ urpmf --requires ocaml-xmlm
+ocaml-xmlm-devel:ocaml-xmlm[== 1.0.2-1.mga2]
+ocaml-xmlm:ocaml
+
+$ urpmf --requires --literal 'pkgconfig(ocaml-xmlm)'
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+
+&gt;&gt;<i> (Those in BuildRequire, not only Require)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> just add and enable source media prior to running above commands.
+</I>
+could you give a wiki link that explains how to do this?
+
+with a search I found:
+urpmi.update --no-ignore &quot;Core Updates Testing&quot;
+but nothing with the name &quot;Sources&quot; in it.
+
+&gt;<i> But I think it's just better to look at what actually use those libs
+</I>&gt;<i> (if not statically linked), aka for LLVM:
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmf --requires libLLVM-3.1.so
+</I>
+urpmf --requires /usr/lib/ocaml/xmlm/*
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+no &quot;xtmpl&quot; in the answer too
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+&gt;<i> I thought the default had flipped to being &quot;if the NM_CONTROLLED does
+</I>&gt;<i> not exist, then assume it's true&quot; before mga2 came out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm maybe mis-remembering tho'. Blino can you correct me??
+</I>
+It looks to be the case in network-functions from initscripts, but is
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 28 novembre 2012 20:13:35, Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyway, IIRC the help for Kill Timer is right on the screen.
+</I>&gt;<i> We are not testing the same distro :-(
+</I>&gt;<i> F1 Help is ont the bottom left and the content is not understandable for most
+</I>&gt;<i> people even if they understand english:
+</I>Well, I'm not going to reboot just to test this, but when I said &quot;on the 
+screen&quot; I meant that literally.  Isn't there a keymap guide at the 
+bottom of the boot choice screen that says Esc - Kill Timer, or some 
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+&gt;<i> 2012/11/28, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 28 November 2012 21:35, Florent Monnier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">monnier.florent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but maybe rpm is my friend and I'm just not aware of it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is there an rpm command line option to get the list of the dependents
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of a given lib?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> eg for glibc-devel:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmf --requires glibc-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now you may have to look for 'pkgconfig(foobar)' too. eg:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmf --requires --literal 'pkgconfig(glibc)'
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems it don't work for ocaml libs,
+</I>&gt;<i> there's not xtmpl in the results:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmf --requires ocaml-xmlm
+</I>&gt;<i> ocaml-xmlm-devel:ocaml-xmlm[== 1.0.2-1.mga2]
+</I>&gt;<i> ocaml-xmlm:ocaml
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmf --requires --literal 'pkgconfig(ocaml-xmlm)'
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (Those in BuildRequire, not only Require)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just add and enable source media prior to running above commands.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> could you give a wiki link that explains how to do this?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> with a search I found:
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi.update --no-ignore &quot;Core Updates Testing&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> but nothing with the name &quot;Sources&quot; in it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But I think it's just better to look at what actually use those libs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (if not statically linked), aka for LLVM:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmf --requires libLLVM-3.1.so
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmf --requires /usr/lib/ocaml/xmlm/*
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> no &quot;xtmpl&quot; in the answer too
+</I>
+You need to define a Source media for the SRPMS, then
+urpmf --requires ocaml --media Source
+
+would give you all packages with ocaml as BuildRequires
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+&gt;<i> On 11/28/2012 02:57 PM, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 28 novembre 2012 20:13:35, Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Anyway, IIRC the help for Kill Timer is right on the screen.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We are not testing the same distro :-(
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; F1 Help is ont the bottom left and the content is not understandable for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; most
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; people even if they understand english:
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I'm not going to reboot just to test this, but when I said &quot;on the
+</I>&gt;<i> screen&quot; I meant that literally.  Isn't there a keymap guide at the
+</I>&gt;<i> bottom of the boot choice screen that says Esc - Kill Timer, or some
+</I>&gt;<i> such ?  No F1 needed.
+</I>
+There is nothing saying to press a key or F2 to select the language and 
+nothing saying that install is starting in N seconds...
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+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org">http://abul.org</A>
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+&gt;<i> I've made the following rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</I>&gt;<i> (CAT_GNOME):
+</I>
+I noticed KDE had a whole list of applications in the Office category. I tried
+to match that by listing only the similar &quot;GNOME designed&quot; applications.
+
+I'm not sure when !LIVE should be there and when not, so I just tried to
+behave similarly to what KDE would put on a live image.
+
+Fyi:
+gnome-clocks can set alarms, timers, etc
+gnome-contacts for keeping a list of people
+bijiben is a note taking application (GNOME has several)
+
+Showing KDE vs GNOME in this category is clearest:
+
+CAT_OFFICE
+[..]
+  CAT_KDE
+    5 korganizer
+    5 !LIVE kalarm ktimer ktimetracker
+    5 kaddressbook
+    5 knotes
+    5 !LIVE kjots
+    5 okular
+    5 !LIVE kde-odf-thumbnail
+  CAT_GNOME
+    5 !LIVE gnome-clocks
+    5 gnome-contacts
+    5 bijiben
+
+
+I'm still thinking where+how to put &quot;gnome-documents&quot;. It indirectly
+depends on libreoffice, and it is an office thing. I am not aware of
+anything related in KDE, otherwise I'd just follow KDE.
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+&gt;<i> On 28 November 2012 17:23, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I have the same feeling with regardds to my computers.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; What I do in these situations is to install the debug packages, run the application in gdb, record the debug info, and then uninstall the debug packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; You don't have to keep the debug packages installed after you've collected the debug info.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Longer term it would be nice to be able to have a service to upload the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; core files and then generate the backtrace remotely.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> libreport and the associated packages do that...
+</I>&gt;<i> But that's less needed now that we have minidebug info.
+</I>
+minidebug? Is that like the feature in Fedora where some small amount of
+debug info is added to make backtraces much more useful by default?
+We have that already?
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+&gt;<i> What's more, even without debug packages, gdb will got a useful backtrace
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> urpmi now have basic support for delta rpms, aka it can install them
+</I>&gt;<i> (never worked before).
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+&gt;<i> WDYT?
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+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I have the same feeling with regardds to my computers.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; What I do in these situations is to install the debug packages, run the application in gdb, record the debug info, and then uninstall the debug packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; You don't have to keep the debug packages installed after you've collected the debug info.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Longer term it would be nice to be able to have a service to upload the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; core files and then generate the backtrace remotely.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libreport and the associated packages do that...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But that's less needed now that we have minidebug info.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> minidebug? Is that like the feature in Fedora where some small amount of
+</I>&gt;<i> debug info is added to make backtraces much more useful by default?
+</I>&gt;<i> We have that already?
+</I>
+We do. Since early August.
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+&gt;<i> Le 26/11/12 17:34,Malo nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry for the wrong title ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 26/11/12 17:30, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Total = 1338
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Today, 1273 remains to be changed. Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Keep up the good work!
+</I>
+This morning, 1182 are left.
+
+Keep it going!
+
+Reminder: packages in
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+Books/Computer books   15
+Books/Howtos           2
+Books/Other            26
+Graphics               276
+Office                 122
+Sound                  313
+Video                  428
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+&gt;<i> Just a followup to this and some other gst related discussions of late,
+</I>&gt;<i> should we perhaps think about simplifying the gstreamer packaging a bit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We're quite subpackage-y at the moment. I accept this allows to keep an
+</I>&gt;<i> install minimal and avoids pulling in dependant libs etc, but I think in
+</I>&gt;<i> 95-99% (guess) of cases, this isn't needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. it's pretty much impossible these days to install things without
+</I>&gt;<i> libpulse, so why bother separating out the gst-pulse plugin from -good
+</I>&gt;<i> generally? Likewise for several other containers and codecs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe just something to do with the gst1.0 packages - a fresh start?
+</I>
+should be done for both IMHO
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+On 28/11/12 16:38, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 11/26/2012 08:33 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Perfect.  The 'find' returns
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0 /usr/lib/packagekitd 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core-1.so.1.103.0 /usr/bin/xdm 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/bin/gnome-session
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd say these are the only candidates for a runtime error.  Rerun
+</I>&gt;<i> the find on /usr/lib and /usr/bin with the full filename that was
+</I>&gt;<i> being looked for (org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit), or you could just
+</I>&gt;<i> use the strings command on each of these guys and pipe the result
+</I>&gt;<i> into grep to see who's looking for org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>OK, done that.  As you expected, it returned
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+/usr/lib/packagekitd
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+So what do I do now?  They don't look like things that can just be
+removed?  usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core-1.so.1.103.0 looks the most likely
+to be connected with my problem.
+
+Sorry to bang on about this, but at present I can't shut down the
+netbook other than by hitting the power switch.  I really need to be
+able to change those settings before I go away for a few days, this
+weekend.
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+Anne
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+1- In games, klickety is in strategy but in rpmdrake, it is in &quot;plateau&quot; with 
+kmines.
+2- I have installed gEDA. It does not appears in menus.
+In Mageia 1, it appears in Sciences.
+Have you found other things like this?
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+Good news is that after rebuilding 10% of core, failure rate is under 10%.
+Bad news is that it will take about 10 days to complete as I am
+building only one package at a time.
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+    <B>Barry Jackson</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I have found some drawbacks in menus.
+</I>&gt;<i> 1- In games, klickety is in strategy but in rpmdrake, it is in &quot;plateau&quot; with
+</I>&gt;<i> kmines.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2- I have installed gEDA. It does not appears in menus.
+</I>&gt;<i> In Mageia 1, it appears in Sciences.
+</I>&gt;<i> Have you found other things like this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>In the menu look under:
+Engineering/Electronics
+I have not installed to test, but looking at the source that's where 
+they should be.
+
+Bear in mind that rpm groups are not related to menu categories.
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+When installing the choices are divided into rpm groups which are 
+currently being re-vamped for Mageia 3.
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+The current rpm group for this package is Sciences/Other,
+The menu category is Engineering/Electronics.
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+&gt;<i> In preparation for a real mass rebuild, I have started one last night
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good news is that after rebuilding 10% of core, failure rate is under 10%.
+</I>&gt;<i> Bad news is that it will take about 10 days to complete as I am
+</I>&gt;<i> building only one package at a time.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Partial results are on <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/autobuild/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/autobuild/</A> so that
+</I>&gt;<i> people can start fixing the packages.
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+&gt;<i> On 29/11/12 17:12, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have found some drawbacks in menus.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1- In games, klickety is in strategy but in rpmdrake, it is in &quot;plateau&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with kmines.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2- I have installed gEDA. It does not appears in menus.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In Mageia 1, it appears in Sciences.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Have you found other things like this?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In the menu look under:
+</I>&gt;<i> Engineering/Electronics
+</I>&gt;<i> I have not installed to test, but looking at the source that's where
+</I>&gt;<i> they should be.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Bear in mind that rpm groups are not related to menu categories.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> When installing the choices are divided into rpm groups which are
+</I>&gt;<i> currently being re-vamped for Mageia 3.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The current rpm group for this package is Sciences/Other,
+</I>&gt;<i> The menu category is Engineering/Electronics.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope that helps.
+</I>
+I just install pcb which is a part of gEDA project. It belongs to 
+Menus-sciences with gschem which is already in this group.
+
+
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 29 november 2012 16:58:04 schreef Anne Wilson:
+&gt;<i> On 28/11/12 16:38, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 11/26/2012 08:33 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Perfect.  The 'find' returns
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; /usr/lib/libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0 /usr/lib/packagekitd
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; /usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core-1.so.1.103.0 /usr/bin/xdm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; /usr/bin/gnome-session
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'd say these are the only candidates for a runtime error.  Rerun
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the find on /usr/lib and /usr/bin with the full filename that was
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; being looked for (org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit), or you could just
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; use the strings command on each of these guys and pipe the result
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; into grep to see who's looking for org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, done that.  As you expected, it returned
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/packagekitd
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core-1.so.1.103.0
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin/xdm
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin/gnome-session
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So what do I do now?  They don't look like things that can just be
+</I>&gt;<i> removed?  usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core-1.so.1.103.0 looks the most likely
+</I>&gt;<i> to be connected with my problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry to bang on about this, but at present I can't shut down the
+</I>&gt;<i> netbook other than by hitting the power switch.  I really need to be
+</I>&gt;<i> able to change those settings before I go away for a few days, this
+</I>&gt;<i> weekend.
+</I>
+is there a reason you have installed packagekit?
+
+it's an alternative for package management, (it should run on top of urpmi), 
+but i don't think it even works right...
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+if i was you, i'd start to get rid of at least all that is packagekit
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+no idea if it'll help your issue though...
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+&gt;<i> is there a reason you have installed packagekit?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it's an alternative for package management, (it should run on top of urpmi),
+</I>&gt;<i> but i don't think it even works right...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if i was you, i'd start to get rid of at least all that is packagekit
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> no idea if it'll help your issue though...
+</I>
+It gets pulled as a suggests to handle various codecs, I think from
+either the phonon-gstreamer or just gstreamer packages.
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 29 november 2012 21:14:18 schreef Donald Stewart:
+&gt;<i> On 29 November 2012 21:11, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is there a reason you have installed packagekit?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it's an alternative for package management, (it should run on top of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; urpmi), but i don't think it even works right...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if i was you, i'd start to get rid of at least all that is packagekit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; no idea if it'll help your issue though...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It gets pulled as a suggests to handle various codecs, I think from
+</I>&gt;<i> either the phonon-gstreamer or just gstreamer packages.
+</I>
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+<PRE>I tried to build a i586 package in a MGA2 x86_64 with iurt and 
+urpmi-proxy to speedup:
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+  linux32 iurt  --repository <A HREF="http://localhost/mageia/distrib/">http://localhost/mageia/distrib/</A> --rebuild 
+2 i586 ~/rpm/SRPMS/totem-plugin-arte-3.1.2-1mga2.src.rpm 
+--chrooted-urpmi <A HREF="http://localhost/mageia/distrib/">http://localhost/mageia/distrib/</A>
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+
+It fails after base is installed, when adding medias to the chroot :
+
+:<i> [iurt_root_command] Running iurt_root_command --bindmount /dev/pts 
+</I>/home/jose/chroot_tmp/jose/chroot_2.i586.0.20121129214441/dev/pts
+D: [iurt_root_command] Bind mounting
+D: [iurt_root_command] Success!
+I: [iurt2] [iurt2] add chroot media: <A HREF="http://localhost/mageia/distrib/2/i586">http://localhost/mageia/distrib/2/i586</A>
+D: [iurt2] [iurt2] Using timeout of 300 seconds.
+D: [iurt2] [iurt2] /usr/bin/sudo /usr/sbin/iurt_root_command --chroot 
+/home/jose/chroot_tmp/jose/chroot_2.i586.0.20121129214441 urpmi.addmedia 
+--distrib <A HREF="http://localhost/mageia/distrib/2/i586">http://localhost/mageia/distrib/2/i586</A>
+D: [iurt2] [iurt2] Command exited with 0.
+MEDIA Core Release
+Core Release Debug
+Core Updates
+Core Updates Debug
+Core Updates Testing
+Core Updates Testing Debug
+Core Backports
+Core Backports Debug
+Core Backports Testing
+Core Backports Testing Debug
+Nonfree Release
+Nonfree Release Debug
+Nonfree Updates
+Nonfree Updates Debug
+Nonfree Updates Testing
+Nonfree Updates Testing Debug
+Nonfree Backports
+Nonfree Backports Debug
+Nonfree Backports Testing
+Nonfree Backports Testing Debug
+Tainted Release
+Tainted Release Debug
+Tainted Updates
+Tainted Updates Debug
+Tainted Updates Testing
+Tainted Updates Testing Debug
+Tainted Backports
+Tainted Backports Debug
+Tainted Backports Testing
+Tainted Backports Testing Debug
+  (Main)
+E: [iurt2] [iurt2] ERROR iurt could not add media into the chroot
+I: [iurt2] [iurt2] add chroot media: <A HREF="http://localhost/mageia/distrib/2/i586">http://localhost/mageia/distrib/2/i586</A>
+D: [iurt2] [iurt2] Using timeout of 300 seconds.
+D: [iurt2] [iurt2] /usr/bin/sudo /usr/sbin/iurt_root_command --chroot 
+/home/jose/chroot_tmp/jose/chroot_2.i586.0.20121129214441 urpmi.addmedia 
+--wget --distrib <A HREF="http://localhost/mageia/distrib/2/i586">http://localhost/mageia/distrib/2/i586</A> 
+ 
+
+D: [iurt2] [iurt2] Command exited with 0.
+MEDIA Core Release
+Core Release Debug
+Core Updates
+Core Updates Debug
+Core Updates Testing
+Core Updates Testing Debug
+Core Backports
+Core Backports Debug
+Core Backports Testing
+Core Backports Testing Debug
+Nonfree Release
+Nonfree Release Debug
+Nonfree Updates
+Nonfree Updates Debug
+Nonfree Updates Testing
+Nonfree Updates Testing Debug
+Nonfree Backports
+Nonfree Backports Debug
+Nonfree Backports Testing
+Nonfree Backports Testing Debug
+Tainted Release
+Tainted Release Debug
+Tainted Updates
+Tainted Updates Debug
+Tainted Updates Testing
+Tainted Updates Testing Debug
+Tainted Backports
+Tainted Backports Debug
+Tainted Backports Testing
+Tainted Backports Testing Debug
+Core Release2
+Core Release Debug2
+Core Updates2
+Core Updates Debug2
+Core Updates Testing2
+Core Updates Testing Debug2
+Core Backports2
+Core Backports Debug2
+Core Backports Testing2
+Core Backports Testing Debug2
+Nonfree Release2
+Nonfree Release Debug2
+Nonfree Updates2
+Nonfree Updates Debug2
+Nonfree Updates Testing2
+Nonfree Updates Testing Debug2
+Nonfree Backports2
+Nonfree Backports Debug2
+Nonfree Backports Testing2
+Nonfree Backports Testing Debug2
+Tainted Release2
+Tainted Release Debug2
+Tainted Updates2
+Tainted Updates Debug2
+Tainted Updates Testing2
+Tainted Updates Testing Debug2
+Tainted Backports2
+Tainted Backports Debug2
+Tainted Backports Testing2
+Tainted Backports Testing Debug2
+  (Main)
+E: [iurt2] [iurt2] ERROR iurt could not add media into the chroot
+E: [iurt2] [iurt2] Failed to add media 
+<A HREF="http://localhost/mageia/distrib/2/i586.">http://localhost/mageia/distrib/2/i586.</A> Disabling chrooted_urpmi.
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+&gt;<i> I tried to build a i586 package in a MGA2 x86_64 with iurt and urpmi-proxy
+</I>&gt;<i> to speedup:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  linux32 iurt  --repository <A HREF="http://localhost/mageia/distrib/">http://localhost/mageia/distrib/</A> --rebuild 2
+</I>&gt;<i> i586 ~/rpm/SRPMS/totem-plugin-arte-3.1.2-1mga2.src.rpm --chrooted-urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://localhost/mageia/distrib/">http://localhost/mageia/distrib/</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It fails after base is installed, when adding medias to the chroot :
+</I>
+I thought I had released an update but it seems I forgot :(
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6311#c8">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6311#c8</A>
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, done that.  As you expected, it returned
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/packagekitd
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core-1.so.1.103.0
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin/xdm
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin/gnome-session
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So what do I do now?  They don't look like things that can just be
+</I>&gt;<i> removed?  usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core-1.so.1.103.0 looks the most likely
+</I>&gt;<i> to be connected with my problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry to bang on about this, but at present I can't shut down the
+</I>&gt;<i> netbook other than by hitting the power switch.  I really need to be
+</I>&gt;<i> able to change those settings before I go away for a few days, this
+</I>&gt;<i> weekend.
+</I>I don't think anything's going to get done in that timeframe, but 
+CTRL-ALT-{R,S,E,I,U,B} will get you through the weekend.
+
+What I would do at this point, for each of these, one by one, is
+
+a) Record their current permissions
+b) Change the permissions to make them writable to you (777 will do nicely).
+c) Open the file in a binary editor like Okteta.  Find every instance of 
+the org.xxx search string and modify the name in some visible way, e. g. 
+ConsoleKit -&gt; XonsoleKit
+d) Retry your failing case and see if the message you get changes 
+accordingly
+e) Revert the change
+
+Since it can't find what it wants anyway, this shouldn't affect your 
+system operation.  but it will expose the guilty file(s).  Then, use 
+rpmdrake Search on File Names to find the owning package for each 
+culprit, and file a bug against it saying that the such-and-such file is 
+looking for ConsoleKit.
+
+Either the package(s) were never converted to use something else, or 
+they've been built incorrectly.
+
+I'd suggest installing ConsoleKit, but god only knows what that would 
+screw up as regards its replacement, so it isn't something you'd want to 
+do before the weekend :-)
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+    <B>Olivier Blin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 29 november 2012 21:14:18 schreef Donald Stewart:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 29 November 2012 21:11, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; is there a reason you have installed packagekit?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; it's an alternative for package management, (it should run on top of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; urpmi), but i don't think it even works right...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; if i was you, i'd start to get rid of at least all that is packagekit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; no idea if it'll help your issue though...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It gets pulled as a suggests to handle various codecs, I think from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> either the phonon-gstreamer or just gstreamer packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> that's too bad, it should be removed imho.
+</I>
+No, packagekit is a good package manager abstraction that makes possible
+to share work among distributions.
+
+It should be improved to work better with urpmi instead.
+
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+&gt;<i> AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op donderdag 29 november 2012 21:14:18 schreef Donald Stewart:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 29 November 2012 21:11, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; is there a reason you have installed packagekit?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; it's an alternative for package management, (it should run on top of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; urpmi), but i don't think it even works right...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; if i was you, i'd start to get rid of at least all that is packagekit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; no idea if it'll help your issue though...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It gets pulled as a suggests to handle various codecs, I think from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; either the phonon-gstreamer or just gstreamer packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that's too bad, it should be removed imho.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> No, packagekit is a good package manager abstraction that makes possible
+</I>&gt;<i> to share work among distributions.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It should be improved to work better with urpmi instead.
+</I>
+i have no troubles with that... but if we're trying to fix bugs, maybe we can 
+start by stripping what is known to be not working well atm...
+
+i don't think anne is a dev and plans on fixing packagekit integration
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+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 29 november 2012 23:39:23 schreef Olivier Blin:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Op donderdag 29 november 2012 21:14:18 schreef Donald Stewart:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 29 November 2012 21:11, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; is there a reason you have installed packagekit?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; it's an alternative for package management, (it should run on top of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; urpmi), but i don't think it even works right...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; if i was you, i'd start to get rid of at least all that is packagekit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; no idea if it'll help your issue though...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It gets pulled as a suggests to handle various codecs, I think from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; either the phonon-gstreamer or just gstreamer packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; that's too bad, it should be removed imho.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, packagekit is a good package manager abstraction that makes possible
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to share work among distributions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It should be improved to work better with urpmi instead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i have no troubles with that... but if we're trying to fix bugs, maybe we can 
+</I>&gt;<i> start by stripping what is known to be not working well atm...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't think anne is a dev and plans on fixing packagekit integration
+</I>
+It is not for developers, it is useful for end users.
+
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+&gt;<i> AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op donderdag 29 november 2012 23:39:23 schreef Olivier Blin:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Op donderdag 29 november 2012 21:14:18 schreef Donald Stewart:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On 29 November 2012 21:11, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; is there a reason you have installed packagekit?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; it's an alternative for package management, (it should run on top of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; urpmi), but i don't think it even works right...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; if i was you, i'd start to get rid of at least all that is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; packagekit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; no idea if it'll help your issue though...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; It gets pulled as a suggests to handle various codecs, I think from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; either the phonon-gstreamer or just gstreamer packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; that's too bad, it should be removed imho.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; No, packagekit is a good package manager abstraction that makes possible
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to share work among distributions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It should be improved to work better with urpmi instead.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i have no troubles with that... but if we're trying to fix bugs, maybe we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can start by stripping what is known to be not working well atm...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i don't think anne is a dev and plans on fixing packagekit integration
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It is not for developers, it is useful for end users.
+</I>
+not when it's known to not have complete integration, imho
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+&gt;&gt;<i> In preparation for a real mass rebuild, I have started one last night
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a on a machine that is sadly still idle (sucuk).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Good news is that after rebuilding 10% of core, failure rate is under 10%.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bad news is that it will take about 10 days to complete as I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> building only one package at a time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Partial results are on <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/autobuild/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/autobuild/</A> so that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people can start fixing the packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now added to youri check so that you can see your packages
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/build.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/build.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sadly, after you fix your package it will remain there until next run
+</I>
+Those results are bogus. eg: d-i-stage2 just got rebuild smoothly...
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+    <B>David W. Hodgins</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I don't think anything's going to get done in that timeframe, but
+</I>&gt;<i> CTRL-ALT-{R,S,E,I,U,B} will get you through the weekend.
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+Shouldn't that be ctrl+alt+sysrq-r,s,e,i,s,u,b?
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+    <B>G&#246;tz Waschk</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Name        : libxcb                       Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 1.9                               Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 1.mga3.tainted                Build Date: Fri Nov 30 08:48:17 2012
+</I>Hi,
+
+why is this in tainted?
+
+Regards, G&#246;tz
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+<PRE>30.11.2012 10:17, G&#246;tz Waschk kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 8:50 AM, tv &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : libxcb                       Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 1.9                               Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 1.mga3.tainted                Build Date: Fri Nov 30 08:48:17 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> why is this in tainted?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, G&#246;tz
+</I><A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2012-November/004875.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2012-November/004875.html</A>
+
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+Sander
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+AFAIK kid3 is the only package that still depends on the obsolete
+libtunepimp library which doesn't build anymore and was removed from
+most other Linux distros already. Can you please take a look at this
+and maybe remove it from Cauldron as well?
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+Thanks, G&#246;tz
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+    <B>Pascal Terjan</B> 
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 29 November 2012 19:53, Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In preparation for a real mass rebuild, I have started one last night
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a on a machine that is sadly still idle (sucuk).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Good news is that after rebuilding 10% of core, failure rate is under 10%.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Bad news is that it will take about 10 days to complete as I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> building only one package at a time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Partial results are on <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/autobuild/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/autobuild/</A> so that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> people can start fixing the packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now added to youri check so that you can see your packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/build.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/build.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sadly, after you fix your package it will remain there until next run
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Those results are bogus. eg: d-i-stage2 just got rebuild smoothly...
+</I>
+The only differences I know with normal build system are:
+- I forgot the --rpmmacros &quot;%distro_section core&quot; parameter to iurt.
+- I am not using --urpmi-root as I am using a local repository (iurt
+does not support rebuilding a remote one)
+
+The second may be the problem as it means it is using main system
+settings when installing
+
+FATAL: no match for */LC_MESSAGES/draksnapshot.mo
+FATAL: no match for */LC_MESSAGES/drakx-net.mo
+FATAL: no match for */LC_MESSAGES/drakx-kbd-mouse-x11.mo
+FATAL: no match for */LC_MESSAGES/urpmi.mo
+
+The machine only as English locale installed
+
+%_install_langs
+en:en_AG:en_AU:en_BE:en_BW:en_CA:en_DK:en_GB:en_HK:en_IE:en_IN:en_NG:en_NZ:en_PH:en_SG:en_US:en_ZA:en_ZM:en_ZW
+
+And there is no .mo for English
+
+ls: cannot access /usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/urpmi.mo: No such
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+
+$ rpm -qp --requires kid3-2.2-1.mga3.i586.rpm |grep tune
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+
+Anyway, I've removed br on tunepimp from kid3. So you can do
+requesting removing libtunepimp.
+
+2012/11/30 G&#246;tz Waschk &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">goetz.waschk at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Dear KDE devs,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> AFAIK kid3 is the only package that still depends on the obsolete
+</I>&gt;<i> libtunepimp library which doesn't build anymore and was removed from
+</I>&gt;<i> most other Linux distros already. Can you please take a look at this
+</I>&gt;<i> and maybe remove it from Cauldron as well?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks, G&#246;tz
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> AL I:40: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:35:01 -0500, Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think anything's going to get done in that timeframe, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> CTRL-ALT-{R,S,E,I,U,B} will get you through the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shouldn't that be ctrl+alt+sysrq-r,s,e,i,s,u,b?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ah, yes, forgot the sysrq.  But is the second &quot;s&quot; needed ?  I thought it 
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+    <B>Anne Wilson</B> 
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+On 29/11/12 22:35, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 11/29/2012 11:58 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, done that.  As you expected, it returned
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0 /usr/lib/packagekitd 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core-1.so.1.103.0 /usr/bin/xdm 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/bin/gnome-session
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So what do I do now?  They don't look like things that can just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be removed?  usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core-1.so.1.103.0 looks the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> most likely to be connected with my problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry to bang on about this, but at present I can't shut down
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the netbook other than by hitting the power switch.  I really
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> need to be able to change those settings before I go away for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> few days, this weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think anything's going to get done in that timeframe, but 
+</I>&gt;<i> CTRL-ALT-{R,S,E,I,U,B} will get you through the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> What I would do at this point, for each of these, one by one, is
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> a) Record their current permissions b) Change the permissions to
+</I>&gt;<i> make them writable to you (777 will do nicely). c) Open the file in
+</I>&gt;<i> a binary editor like Okteta.  Find every instance of the org.xxx
+</I>&gt;<i> search string and modify the name in some visible way, e. g. 
+</I>&gt;<i> ConsoleKit -&gt; XonsoleKit d) Retry your failing case and see if the
+</I>&gt;<i> message you get changes accordingly e) Revert the change
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>OK, I'll try that.
+
+&gt;<i> Since it can't find what it wants anyway, this shouldn't affect
+</I>&gt;<i> your system operation.  but it will expose the guilty file(s).
+</I>&gt;<i> Then, use rpmdrake Search on File Names to find the owning package
+</I>&gt;<i> for each culprit, and file a bug against it saying that the
+</I>&gt;<i> such-and-such file is looking for ConsoleKit.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Before doing all that, can you explain the significance of the
+suffixes here?
+
+ls /usr/lib/ | grep powerdevil
+libpowerdevilconfigcommonprivate.so.4@
+libpowerdevilconfigcommonprivate.so.4.10.0*
+libpowerdevilcore.so.0@
+libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0*
+libpowerdevilui.so.4@
+libpowerdevilui.so.4.10.0*
+
+&gt;<i> Either the package(s) were never converted to use something else,
+</I>&gt;<i> or they've been built incorrectly.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd suggest installing ConsoleKit, but god only knows what that
+</I>&gt;<i> would screw up as regards its replacement, so it isn't something
+</I>&gt;<i> you'd want to do before the weekend :-)
+</I>
+On this occasion the netbook isn't going with me.  I just wanted to
+avoid the choice between forcing a shutdown by poweroff or leaving it
+running for 4 days while I'm away.
+
+Seriously, if there is a genuine problem here we need to get to the
+bottom of it for the sake of others, so from Wednesday I'll do any
+testing you need.
+
+Anne
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Before doing all that, can you explain the significance of the
+</I>&gt;<i> suffixes here?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ls /usr/lib/ | grep powerdevil
+</I>&gt;<i> libpowerdevilconfigcommonprivate.so.4@
+</I>&gt;<i> libpowerdevilconfigcommonprivate.so.4.10.0*
+</I>&gt;<i> libpowerdevilcore.so.0@
+</I>&gt;<i> libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0*
+</I>&gt;<i> libpowerdevilui.so.4@
+</I>&gt;<i> libpowerdevilui.so.4.10.0*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Library naming conventions use several, actual version, e. g. 4.10.0, 
+major version, e. g. 4, and a generic name, e. g. libxxx.so.  The last 
+two are usually symlinked to the first.
+
+The major version usually signals an ABI difference or some other major 
+difference, e. g. new function, from the previous version. The actual 
+version changes whenever any change is made.  Developers use the major 
+version if their code is dependent on that major version, but just use 
+the generic name if any version will do.
+
+In this way, the majority of packages using the library just ask for 
+libxxx.so, and don't have to be rebuilt or have their makefiles or spec 
+modified when the library changes.  A few packages, which are dependent 
+on a specific version, ask for libxxx.so.N (or higher), and these have 
+to be changed when the major version they require is released.  A very 
+very few packages are dependent on the actual version, and these may 
+have to change more often.
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+On 30/11/12 12:26, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 11/30/2012 07:13 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Before doing all that, can you explain the significance of the 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suffixes here?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ls /usr/lib/ | grep powerdevil 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libpowerdevilconfigcommonprivate.so.4@ 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libpowerdevilconfigcommonprivate.so.4.10.0* 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libpowerdevilcore.so.0@ libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0* 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libpowerdevilui.so.4@ libpowerdevilui.so.4.10.0*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Library naming conventions use several, actual version, e. g.
+</I>&gt;<i> 4.10.0, major version, e. g. 4, and a generic name, e. g.
+</I>&gt;<i> libxxx.so.  The last two are usually symlinked to the first.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The major version usually signals an ABI difference or some other
+</I>&gt;<i> major difference, e. g. new function, from the previous version.
+</I>&gt;<i> The actual version changes whenever any change is made.  Developers
+</I>&gt;<i> use the major version if their code is dependent on that major
+</I>&gt;<i> version, but just use the generic name if any version will do.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In this way, the majority of packages using the library just ask
+</I>&gt;<i> for libxxx.so, and don't have to be rebuilt or have their makefiles
+</I>&gt;<i> or spec modified when the library changes.  A few packages, which
+</I>&gt;<i> are dependent on a specific version, ask for libxxx.so.N (or
+</I>&gt;<i> higher), and these have to be changed when the major version they
+</I>&gt;<i> require is released.  A very very few packages are dependent on the
+</I>&gt;<i> actual version, and these may have to change more often.
+</I>
+I assume the starred ones are actually in use - what's the
+significance of '@'?  I'm not sure I've really understood this.
+
+Anne
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+    <B>Barry Jackson</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus">zen25000 at zen.co.uk
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+</I>&gt;<i> I just install pcb which is a part of gEDA project. It belongs to
+</I>&gt;<i> Menus-sciences with gschem which is already in this group.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+OK I see the problem - I filed a bug.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8257">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8257</A>
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 30/11/12 12:26, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 11/30/2012 07:13 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Before doing all that, can you explain the significance of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; suffixes here?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ls /usr/lib/ | grep powerdevil
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; libpowerdevilconfigcommonprivate.so.4@
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; libpowerdevilconfigcommonprivate.so.4.10.0*
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; libpowerdevilcore.so.0@ libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0*
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; libpowerdevilui.so.4@ libpowerdevilui.so.4.10.0*
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Library naming conventions use several, actual version, e. g.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 4.10.0, major version, e. g. 4, and a generic name, e. g.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libxxx.so.  The last two are usually symlinked to the first.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The major version usually signals an ABI difference or some other
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; major difference, e. g. new function, from the previous version.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The actual version changes whenever any change is made.  Developers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; use the major version if their code is dependent on that major
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; version, but just use the generic name if any version will do.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In this way, the majority of packages using the library just ask
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for libxxx.so, and don't have to be rebuilt or have their makefiles
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or spec modified when the library changes.  A few packages, which
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; are dependent on a specific version, ask for libxxx.so.N (or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; higher), and these have to be changed when the major version they
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; require is released.  A very very few packages are dependent on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; actual version, and these may have to change more often.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I assume the starred ones are actually in use - what's the
+</I>&gt;<i> significance of '@'?  I'm not sure I've really understood this.
+</I>
+it's just bash that adds this:
+* =&gt; executable
+@ =&gt; symlink
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+Hello list,
+can someone bump the release and push drakx-installer-stage2 to
+reflect changes made to drakx-installer-help&#185;, please?
+
+I can do it myself but I would ask for clearance because I'm not the
+maintainer.
+
+Regards
+
+&#185; added Estonian and Swedish languages
+- --
+Matteo
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+      </ul>
+      <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Nov  1 00:38:00 CET 2012</i><br>
+         <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Nov 30 23:06:01 CET 2012</i><br>
+         <b>Messages:</b> 723<p>
+     <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019930.html">[Mageia-dev] Small project for a Python programmer
+</A><A NAME="19930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>1
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019768.html">[Mageia-dev] ldap lat utility
+</A><A NAME="19768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019936.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019937.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019945.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019948.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019961.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019970.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020227.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020229.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020413.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020415.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020420.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020422.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020435.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019854.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019864.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019889.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019715.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019724.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kernel-tmb-3.6.5-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019750.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilding drakx-installer-stage2
+</A><A NAME="19750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019765.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019775.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019834.html">[Mageia-dev] Submit new rpmlint-mageia-policy
+</A><A NAME="19834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019895.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019927.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	drakx-installer-stage2-14.50-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019960.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] 2 tainted/updates_testing	vlc-2.0.3-2.2.mga2.tainted
+</A><A NAME="19960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019981.html">[Mageia-dev] Freeze has been removed ?
+</A><A NAME="19981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020027.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020030.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020298.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020316.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020318.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	x11-driver-video-ati-7.0.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020328.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020359.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 nonfree/updates_testing	drakx-installer-images-1.75-11.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020384.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ocaml-xtmpl-0.3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020392.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019905.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing signature klines-handbook
+</A><A NAME="19905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019979.html">[Mageia-dev] Freeze has been removed ?
+</A><A NAME="19979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019998.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="19998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020013.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020019.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020022.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020024.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020025.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020032.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020033.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020034.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020182.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020184.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020230.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020237.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019792.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	synkron-1.6.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019868.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove mysql-workbench packages from	core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="19868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019879.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove mysql-workbench packages from	core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="19879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020076.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation license
+</A><A NAME="20076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020077.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020123.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020124.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019741.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-3-Alpha2: Odd 'broadcom-wl-kernel clash in	latest update
+</A><A NAME="19741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019734.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing	the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019777.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird memory leak in X
+</A><A NAME="19777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019781.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019784.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019824.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release slim-1.3.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019890.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6430] Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</A><A NAME="19890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019893.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019957.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	supertux-0.3.3-39.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019965.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	supertux-0.3.3-39.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020009.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020012.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020020.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	urpmi-7.10-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020176.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020179.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020189.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020214.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020236.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020256.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020257.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020271.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020272.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020366.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020397.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020419.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020421.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019720.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019733.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019852.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019857.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019907.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020084.html">[Mageia-dev] mirror problems (mirror.aarnet.edu.au/mageia)
+</A><A NAME="20084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020088.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020093.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020138.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020210.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020212.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020281.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020297.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020299.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019971.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Ciret
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019976.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Ciret
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019746.html">[Mageia-dev] ldap lat utility
+</A><A NAME="19746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019764.html">[Mageia-dev] ldap lat utility
+</A><A NAME="19764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019894.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019896.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019911.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019914.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+</A><A NAME="19914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020157.html">[Mageia-dev] USB speaker systems
+</A><A NAME="20157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020194.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020275.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020310.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN + auth-user-pass + systemd password agents
+</A><A NAME="20310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020086.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020190.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019997.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="19997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020263.html">[Mageia-dev] rabbitmq-server build failure
+</A><A NAME="20263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020314.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020319.html">[Mageia-dev]   [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="20319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020343.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020355.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020361.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020399.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020169.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019716.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [311714] revert rubygems_dir dir
+</A><A NAME="19716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019717.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kernel-tmb-3.6.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019723.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kernel-tmb-3.6.5-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020152.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	freeswitch-1.2.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020153.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	freeswitch-1.2.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019773.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019825.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center	(SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019844.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019855.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019853.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019862.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019863.html">[Mageia-dev] 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019869.html">[Mageia-dev] 3rd draft of Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center	about FAAC
+</A><A NAME="19869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019887.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019888.html">[Mageia-dev] GPL-compatibility Question: Distributing Binaries of GPLed Programs Which Link Against Non-Free Code
+</A><A NAME="19888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020011.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: GPL-compatibility Question: Distributing Binaries of GPLed Programs Which Link Against Non-Free Code
+</A><A NAME="20011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020329.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating python-lxml
+</A><A NAME="20329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019884.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020018.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020068.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020069.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020099.html">[Mageia-dev] WiFi Hotspot functionality in KDE
+</A><A NAME="20099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020139.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020181.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020183.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020185.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020367.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar	invite
+</A><A NAME="20367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020369.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019856.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Trish Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020087.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020242.html">[Mageia-dev] The category in file kalgebra.desktop
+</A><A NAME="20242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019804.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019811.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019813.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019814.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019819.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019823.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019932.html">[Mageia-dev] LXDE Power Management in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="19932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020067.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazy NFS umount problem: kernel or userspace?
+</A><A NAME="20067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020089.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020094.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020188.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020200.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020226.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020231.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020234.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020239.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020240.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020249.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020255.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020351.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE Automounting broken again
+</A><A NAME="20351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020372.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020374.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020380.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020385.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020398.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020418.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020430.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020432.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019727.html">[Mageia-dev] What's happening?
+</A><A NAME="19727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020362.html">[Mageia-dev] Qt5 with wayland platform support
+</A><A NAME="20362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrien Guichard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019756.html">[Mageia-dev] ldap lat utility
+</A><A NAME="19756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019799.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release slim-1.3.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019800.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019805.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019818.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019822.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019826.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release slim-1.3.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019858.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019874.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove mysql-workbench packages from	core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="19874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019875.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019949.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019950.html">[Mageia-dev] default $PATH after UsrMove
+</A><A NAME="19950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019955.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020005.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020008.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020055.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020059.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020060.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020063.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020064.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazy NFS umount problem: kernel or userspace?
+</A><A NAME="20064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020072.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazy NFS umount problem: kernel or userspace?
+</A><A NAME="20072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020082.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020097.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020100.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020103.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020119.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths in testing
+</A><A NAME="20119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020155.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="20155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020164.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages (was: Re:	rpmlint)
+</A><A NAME="20164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020165.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages
+</A><A NAME="20165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020170.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020245.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020246.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020259.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020260.html">[Mageia-dev] rabbitmq-server build failure
+</A><A NAME="20260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020261.html">[Mageia-dev] couchdb packaging
+</A><A NAME="20261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020268.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020269.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages
+</A><A NAME="20269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020273.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages
+</A><A NAME="20273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020274.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020287.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN + auth-user-pass + systemd password agents (was: Re: OpenVPN missing PID dir)
+</A><A NAME="20287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020294.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020302.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020309.html">[Mageia-dev] GStreamer packaging (was: Re: rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME)
+</A><A NAME="20309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020352.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN + auth-user-pass + systemd password agents
+</A><A NAME="20352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020356.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd-journal
+</A><A NAME="20356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020360.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd-journal
+</A><A NAME="20360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020378.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020379.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020041.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020047.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020081.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020156.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ldetect-lst-0.1.311-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020332.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	x11-driver-video-ati-7.0.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019840.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release	flash-player-plugin-11.2.202.251-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019908.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020004.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 - testing boot.iso
+</A><A NAME="20004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020136.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020315.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020127.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths in testing
+</A><A NAME="20127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020158.html">[Mageia-dev] USB speaker systems
+</A><A NAME="20158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020387.html">[Mageia-dev] forkbomb protection
+</A><A NAME="20387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020424.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019718.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019726.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019732.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019735.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019806.html">[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs
+</A><A NAME="19806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019808.html">[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs
+</A><A NAME="19808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019809.html">[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs
+</A><A NAME="19809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019953.html">[Mageia-dev] Small project for a Python programmer
+</A><A NAME="19953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019994.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	grub2-2.0-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019996.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="19996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020000.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="20000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020070.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020074.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020095.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020105.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020109.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020110.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020133.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020410.html">[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus
+</A><A NAME="20410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020434.html">[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus
+</A><A NAME="20434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019845.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020075.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020134.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020150.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020187.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file,	unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020199.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020238.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020390.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020400.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020408.html">[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus
+</A><A NAME="20408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020412.html">[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus
+</A><A NAME="20412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019841.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="19841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020140.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.10 Beta1
+</A><A NAME="20140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020161.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020174.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.10 Beta1
+</A><A NAME="20174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020220.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019859.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019902.html">[Mageia-dev] Want to become an apprentice.
+</A><A NAME="19902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019964.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	supertux-0.3.3-39.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020031.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020046.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020232.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020266.html">[Mageia-dev] Why no totem-plugin-arte in Mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="20266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020270.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages
+</A><A NAME="20270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020376.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019787.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	synkron-1.6.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019897.html">[Mageia-dev] Want to become an apprentice.
+</A><A NAME="19897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019906.html">[Mageia-dev] I try to pack an existing package.
+</A><A NAME="19906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019983.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020040.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff,	but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020043.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff, but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020172.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff, but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020335.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019738.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird memory leak in X
+</A><A NAME="19738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019935.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020036.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020048.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020052.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020066.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020145.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release	get-skype-4.1.0.20-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020213.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020221.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020286.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon uploaded
+</A><A NAME="20286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020289.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020306.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020426.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron tainted/updates_testing libxcb-1.9-1.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="20426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019731.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019736.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019788.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019796.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019903.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020317.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019739.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mod_nss
+</A><A NAME="19739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019815.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019847.html">[Mageia-dev] Freeze for alpha3
+</A><A NAME="19847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019934.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019959.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019962.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019990.html">[Mageia-dev] digikam updates problem
+</A><A NAME="19990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019999.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="19999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020016.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020023.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020026.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020106.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020365.html">[Mageia-dev] Qt5 with wayland platform support
+</A><A NAME="20365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019791.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019885.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020007.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020118.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths in testing
+</A><A NAME="20118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020154.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ldetect-lst-0.1.311-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020216.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020219.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020364.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020320.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed	title)
+</A><A NAME="20320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020405.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019931.html">[Mageia-dev] default $PATH after UsrMove
+</A><A NAME="19931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019973.html">[Mageia-dev] default $PATH after UsrMove
+</A><A NAME="19973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020116.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths	in testing
+</A><A NAME="20116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020117.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox and Thunderbird ESR for Mga 3 ?
+</A><A NAME="20117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020250.html">[Mageia-dev] Locking screen
+</A><A NAME="20250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020192.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia] RPM's for OCaml 4.00.1 and associated libs	for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="20192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020307.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020331.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;sell&quot; me Mageia (was: Cinnamon)
+</A><A NAME="20331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020383.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ocaml-xtmpl-0.3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020391.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020393.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020394.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020396.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019810.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019812.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6418] using yui::YCommandLine only for all, at the moment
+</A><A NAME="19812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019821.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019839.html">[Mageia-dev] Admin Panel
+</A><A NAME="19839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019946.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019943.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019944.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019954.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019956.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019966.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019989.html">[Mageia-dev] digikam updates problem
+</A><A NAME="19989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019901.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+</A><A NAME="19901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Raghu Nayak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019920.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+</A><A NAME="19920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Raghu Nayak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019939.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+</A><A NAME="19939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Raghu Nayak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019763.html">[Mageia-dev] Updateing mageia-maintainers-database
+</A><A NAME="19763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019801.html">[Mageia-dev] Back to our weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="19801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019803.html">[Mageia-dev] Back to our weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="19803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019988.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 available
+</A><A NAME="19988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020085.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020090.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020104.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020112.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020196.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020284.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon uploaded
+</A><A NAME="20284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020347.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020350.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019748.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019754.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019770.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019881.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019904.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020280.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020290.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020291.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020295.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019749.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilding drakx-installer-stage2
+</A><A NAME="19749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo Pasotti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019816.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo Pasotti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019817.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo Pasotti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020436.html">[Mageia-dev] Push request for drakx-installer-stage2
+</A><A NAME="20436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo Pasotti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019753.html">[Mageia-dev] What's happening?
+</A><A NAME="19753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Pate
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019719.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing	the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019725.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019728.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing	the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019730.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing	the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019751.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019755.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019761.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019766.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019909.html">[Mageia-dev] recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019910.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 7575] package request : gig
+</A><A NAME="19910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019912.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 7575] package request : gig
+</A><A NAME="19912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019916.html">[Mageia-dev] recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020203.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020204.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020218.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020222.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019926.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6430] Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</A><A NAME="19926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019778.html">[Mageia-dev] legacy %ifarch
+</A><A NAME="19778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019861.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019860.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020264.html">[Mageia-dev] couchdb packaging
+</A><A NAME="20264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020265.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020311.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020363.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020035.html">[Mageia-dev] Please help with Freeswitch
+</A><A NAME="20035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020038.html">[Mageia-dev] Please help with Freeswitch
+</A><A NAME="20038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019899.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing signature klines-handbook
+</A><A NAME="19899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019900.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing signature klines-handbook
+</A><A NAME="19900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020159.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="20159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020248.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages (was: Re: rpmlint)
+</A><A NAME="20248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020336.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019870.html">[Mageia-dev] 3rd draft of Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center about FAAC
+</A><A NAME="19870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019969.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019974.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019975.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019977.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019991.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020146.html">[Mageia-dev] Not very important require about mail checker.
+</A><A NAME="20146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019802.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019807.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6418] using yui::YCommandLine only for all, at the moment
+</A><A NAME="19807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019820.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019865.html">[Mageia-dev] faac: decision from the packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="19865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019873.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	liblarch-2.1.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019883.html">[Mageia-dev] 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019891.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019892.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019940.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019942.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019951.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019952.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019958.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019963.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	supertux-0.3.3-39.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020107.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bind-9.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020108.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020111.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020113.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020148.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	apache-2.4.3-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020168.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6500] make clear those functions are not related to macros
+</A><A NAME="20168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020177.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020178.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020276.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	timidity-patch-freepats-20060219-15.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020277.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.4.9-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020324.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020175.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 2234] qmmp, audioplayer
+</A><A NAME="20175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020326.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020128.html">[Mageia-dev] Not very important require about mail checker.
+</A><A NAME="20128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020151.html">[Mageia-dev] Not very important require about mail checker.
+</A><A NAME="20151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020258.html">[Mageia-dev] Why no totem-plugin-arte in Mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="20258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020223.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019995.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="19995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019729.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019743.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: MTP (Media Transport Protocol)	Support
+</A><A NAME="19743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019769.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019776.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019782.html">[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs
+</A><A NAME="19782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019794.html">[Mageia-dev] About task-games
+</A><A NAME="19794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019828.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019830.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019831.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019833.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019846.html">[Mageia-dev] About task-games
+</A><A NAME="19846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019848.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019849.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019871.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019872.html">[Mageia-dev] 3rd draft of Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center about FAAC
+</A><A NAME="19872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019878.html">[Mageia-dev] 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019898.html">[Mageia-dev] Want to become an apprentice.
+</A><A NAME="19898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020003.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 - testing boot.iso
+</A><A NAME="20003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020078.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020092.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020098.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020101.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020102.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020125.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020126.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020180.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file,	unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020195.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020198.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020208.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020211.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020217.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020293.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020370.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020371.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a	calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020373.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020382.html">[Mageia-dev] forkbomb protection
+</A><A NAME="20382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019737.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mod_nss
+</A><A NAME="19737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019771.html">[Mageia-dev] texlive missing deps
+</A><A NAME="19771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019772.html">[Mageia-dev] texlive missing deps
+</A><A NAME="19772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019919.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019967.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019978.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020002.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020029.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020050.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020057.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020122.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox and Thunderbird ESR for Mga 3 ?
+</A><A NAME="20122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019722.html">[Mageia-dev]  Artwork submissions for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019850.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019972.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020304.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020323.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020386.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020414.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019774.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019832.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019838.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019980.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020037.html">[Mageia-dev] Please help with Freeswitch
+</A><A NAME="20037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020062.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020065.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazy NFS umount problem: kernel or userspace?
+</A><A NAME="20065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020091.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020313.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020345.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020368.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020409.html">[Mageia-dev] Automated rebuild test
+</A><A NAME="20409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020411.html">[Mageia-dev] Automated rebuild test
+</A><A NAME="20411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020417.html">[Mageia-dev] is iurt usable in MGA2?
+</A><A NAME="20417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020428.html">[Mageia-dev] Automated rebuild test
+</A><A NAME="20428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020296.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee will down tonight
+</A><A NAME="20296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019837.html">[Mageia-dev] Admin Panel
+</A><A NAME="19837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019947.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019760.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	calibre-0.9.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019779.html">[Mageia-dev] legacy %ifarch
+</A><A NAME="19779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019786.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	wmbutton-0.7.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019836.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release	flash-player-plugin-11.2.202.251-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019886.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019923.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6430] Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</A><A NAME="19923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019924.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019928.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6434] Revert commit 6430
+</A><A NAME="19928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019929.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	drakx-installer-stage2-14.50-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020006.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 - testing boot.iso
+</A><A NAME="20006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020014.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 - testing boot.iso
+</A><A NAME="20014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020017.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	urpmi-7.10-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020045.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020056.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020058.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020080.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	urtconnector-0.9.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020096.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020120.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths in testing
+</A><A NAME="20120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020129.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nss-3.14-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020209.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020241.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020267.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020278.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.4.9-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020279.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020308.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020338.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ocaml-xmlm-1.1.1-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020339.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020346.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020348.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020349.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020357.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 nonfree/updates_testing	drakx-installer-images-1.75-11.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020377.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ocaml-xtmpl-0.3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020388.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020389.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	fluidsynth-1.1.5-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020395.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020404.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020406.html">[Mageia-dev] GStreamer packaging (was: Re: rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME)
+</A><A NAME="20406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020423.html">[Mageia-dev] Automated rebuild test
+</A><A NAME="20423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019740.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019744.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird memory leak in X
+</A><A NAME="19744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019780.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019783.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019785.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019790.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019793.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019797.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019798.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019835.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python	2
+</A><A NAME="19835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020010.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020130.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020132.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020135.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020137.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020143.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release get-skype-4.1.0.20-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020144.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	apache-2.4.3-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020147.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release get-skype-4.1.0.20-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020149.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release apache-2.4.3-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020160.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020186.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020300.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020303.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020305.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020340.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020341.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020342.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020401.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020402.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020403.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019752.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ruby-1.9.3.p286-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020051.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020053.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020054.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319464] fix package name
+</A><A NAME="20054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020071.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019913.html">[Mageia-dev] recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019915.html">[Mageia-dev] recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019918.html">[Mageia-dev] ignoring drakperm Re: recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020202.html">[Mageia-dev] Add or Modify a Boot Menu Entry - please help write the help text
+</A><A NAME="20202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020244.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019745.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - help needed (status update)
+</A><A NAME="19745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020131.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nss-3.14-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020334.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020381.html">[Mageia-dev] forkbomb protection
+</A><A NAME="20381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019714.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019747.html">[Mageia-dev] Updateing mageia-maintainers-database
+</A><A NAME="19747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019759.html">[Mageia-dev] Updateing mageia-maintainers-database
+</A><A NAME="19759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019762.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019767.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019827.html">[Mageia-dev] Submit new rpmlint-mageia-policy
+</A><A NAME="19827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019829.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019882.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="19882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019921.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019933.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019968.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019992.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="19992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020001.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020015.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020021.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020028.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020042.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff,	but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020044.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff,	but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020121.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox and Thunderbird ESR for Mga 3 ?
+</A><A NAME="20121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020429.html">[Mageia-dev] libtunepimp and kid3
+</A><A NAME="20429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020282.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon uploaded
+</A><A NAME="20282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020285.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020292.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020301.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020312.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020321.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020325.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello Mageia!!!!
+</A><A NAME="20325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020327.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019938.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.13-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020262.html">[Mageia-dev] Why no totem-plugin-arte in Mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="20262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020288.html">[Mageia-dev] Why no totem-plugin-arte in Mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="20288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020425.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron tainted/updates_testing	libxcb-1.9-1.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="20425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020427.html">[Mageia-dev] libtunepimp and kid3
+</A><A NAME="20427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019721.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019917.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019922.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.13-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019941.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.13-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020073.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bind-9.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019851.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019866.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019867.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019982.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network	settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019984.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network	settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019985.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019986.html">[Mageia-dev] digikam updates problem
+</A><A NAME="19986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019987.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020141.html">[Mageia-dev] Not very important require about mail checker.
+</A><A NAME="20141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020142.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020162.html">[Mageia-dev] USB speaker systems
+</A><A NAME="20162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020163.html">[Mageia-dev] USB speaker systems
+</A><A NAME="20163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020171.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020191.html">[Mageia-dev] Locking screen
+</A><A NAME="20191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020193.html">[Mageia-dev] Locking screen
+</A><A NAME="20193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020201.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020205.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020206.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020233.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020235.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020243.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020247.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020251.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020252.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020253.html">[Mageia-dev] Locking screen
+</A><A NAME="20253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020254.html">[Mageia-dev] Incredibly slow bootup in Cauldron - FYI
+</A><A NAME="20254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020283.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020322.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020337.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello Mageia!!!!
+</A><A NAME="20337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020375.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020407.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020431.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020433.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020167.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019742.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: MTP (Media Transport Protocol)	Support
+</A><A NAME="19742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yannick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019757.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019789.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019795.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019876.html">[Mageia-dev] 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019877.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020079.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020166.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020197.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020333.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019925.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6430] Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</A><A NAME="19925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020207.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020215.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020225.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020228.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020344.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020353.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd-journal
+</A><A NAME="20353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020358.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd-journal
+</A><A NAME="20358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020330.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating python-lxml
+</A><A NAME="20330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019758.html">[Mageia-dev] Updateing mageia-maintainers-database
+</A><A NAME="19758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>sardine
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020039.html">[Mageia-dev] Please help with Freeswitch
+</A><A NAME="20039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>sardine
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019880.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>scsijon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020083.html">[Mageia-dev] mirror problems (mirror.aarnet.edu.au/mageia)
+</A><A NAME="20083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>scsijon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019842.html">[Mageia-dev] About task-games
+</A><A NAME="19842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019843.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019993.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 available
+</A><A NAME="19993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020049.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020061.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020114.html">[Mageia-dev] WiFi Hotspot functionality in KDE
+</A><A NAME="20114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020115.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020173.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff, but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020224.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020354.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020416.html">[Mageia-dev] is iurt usable in MGA2?
+</A><A NAME="20416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+    </ul>
+    <p>
+      <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> 
+       <i>Fri Nov 30 23:06:01 CET 2012</i><br>
+    <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Nov 30 23:06:09 CET 2012</i>
+    <p>
+   <ul>
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+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+                    </a></b></li>
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+     <title>The Mageia-dev November 2012 Archive by date</title>
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+      <a name="start"></A>
+      <h1>November 2012 Archives by date</h1>
+      <ul>
+         <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+	        <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+		<a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+		<a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+		
+
+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+                    </a></b></li>
+      </ul>
+      <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Nov  1 00:38:00 CET 2012</i><br>
+         <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Nov 30 23:06:01 CET 2012</i><br>
+         <b>Messages:</b> 723<p>
+     <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019714.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019715.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019716.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [311714] revert rubygems_dir dir
+</A><A NAME="19716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019717.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kernel-tmb-3.6.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019718.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019719.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing	the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019720.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019721.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019722.html">[Mageia-dev]  Artwork submissions for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019723.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kernel-tmb-3.6.5-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019724.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kernel-tmb-3.6.5-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019725.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019726.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019727.html">[Mageia-dev] What's happening?
+</A><A NAME="19727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019728.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing	the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019729.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019730.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing	the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019731.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019732.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019733.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019734.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing	the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019735.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019736.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019737.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mod_nss
+</A><A NAME="19737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019738.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird memory leak in X
+</A><A NAME="19738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019739.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mod_nss
+</A><A NAME="19739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019740.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019741.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-3-Alpha2: Odd 'broadcom-wl-kernel clash in	latest update
+</A><A NAME="19741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019742.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: MTP (Media Transport Protocol)	Support
+</A><A NAME="19742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yannick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019743.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: MTP (Media Transport Protocol)	Support
+</A><A NAME="19743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019744.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird memory leak in X
+</A><A NAME="19744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019745.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - help needed (status update)
+</A><A NAME="19745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019746.html">[Mageia-dev] ldap lat utility
+</A><A NAME="19746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019747.html">[Mageia-dev] Updateing mageia-maintainers-database
+</A><A NAME="19747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019748.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019749.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilding drakx-installer-stage2
+</A><A NAME="19749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo Pasotti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019750.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilding drakx-installer-stage2
+</A><A NAME="19750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019751.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019752.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ruby-1.9.3.p286-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019753.html">[Mageia-dev] What's happening?
+</A><A NAME="19753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Pate
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019754.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019755.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019756.html">[Mageia-dev] ldap lat utility
+</A><A NAME="19756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019758.html">[Mageia-dev] Updateing mageia-maintainers-database
+</A><A NAME="19758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>sardine
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019757.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019759.html">[Mageia-dev] Updateing mageia-maintainers-database
+</A><A NAME="19759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019760.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	calibre-0.9.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019761.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019762.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019763.html">[Mageia-dev] Updateing mageia-maintainers-database
+</A><A NAME="19763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019764.html">[Mageia-dev] ldap lat utility
+</A><A NAME="19764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019765.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019766.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019767.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019768.html">[Mageia-dev] ldap lat utility
+</A><A NAME="19768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019769.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019770.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019771.html">[Mageia-dev] texlive missing deps
+</A><A NAME="19771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019772.html">[Mageia-dev] texlive missing deps
+</A><A NAME="19772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019773.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019774.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019775.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019776.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019777.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird memory leak in X
+</A><A NAME="19777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019778.html">[Mageia-dev] legacy %ifarch
+</A><A NAME="19778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019779.html">[Mageia-dev] legacy %ifarch
+</A><A NAME="19779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019780.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019781.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019782.html">[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs
+</A><A NAME="19782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019787.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	synkron-1.6.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019783.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019784.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019785.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019786.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	wmbutton-0.7.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019788.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019789.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019790.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019791.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019792.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	synkron-1.6.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019793.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019794.html">[Mageia-dev] About task-games
+</A><A NAME="19794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019795.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019796.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019797.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019798.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019799.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release slim-1.3.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019800.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019801.html">[Mageia-dev] Back to our weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="19801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019802.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019803.html">[Mageia-dev] Back to our weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="19803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019804.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019805.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019806.html">[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs
+</A><A NAME="19806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019807.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6418] using yui::YCommandLine only for all, at the moment
+</A><A NAME="19807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019808.html">[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs
+</A><A NAME="19808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019809.html">[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs
+</A><A NAME="19809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019810.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019811.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019812.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6418] using yui::YCommandLine only for all, at the moment
+</A><A NAME="19812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019813.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019814.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019815.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019816.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo Pasotti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019817.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo Pasotti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019818.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019819.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019820.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019821.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019822.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019823.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019824.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release slim-1.3.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019825.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center	(SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019826.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release slim-1.3.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019827.html">[Mageia-dev] Submit new rpmlint-mageia-policy
+</A><A NAME="19827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019828.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019829.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019830.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019831.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019832.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019833.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019834.html">[Mageia-dev] Submit new rpmlint-mageia-policy
+</A><A NAME="19834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019835.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python	2
+</A><A NAME="19835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019836.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release	flash-player-plugin-11.2.202.251-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019837.html">[Mageia-dev] Admin Panel
+</A><A NAME="19837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019838.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019839.html">[Mageia-dev] Admin Panel
+</A><A NAME="19839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019840.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release	flash-player-plugin-11.2.202.251-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019841.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="19841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019842.html">[Mageia-dev] About task-games
+</A><A NAME="19842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019843.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019844.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019845.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019846.html">[Mageia-dev] About task-games
+</A><A NAME="19846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019847.html">[Mageia-dev] Freeze for alpha3
+</A><A NAME="19847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019848.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019849.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019850.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019861.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019851.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019855.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019852.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019853.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019854.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019856.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Trish Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019857.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019858.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019859.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019860.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019862.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019863.html">[Mageia-dev] 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019864.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019865.html">[Mageia-dev] faac: decision from the packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="19865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019866.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019867.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019868.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove mysql-workbench packages from	core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="19868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019869.html">[Mageia-dev] 3rd draft of Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center	about FAAC
+</A><A NAME="19869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019870.html">[Mageia-dev] 3rd draft of Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center about FAAC
+</A><A NAME="19870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019871.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019872.html">[Mageia-dev] 3rd draft of Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center about FAAC
+</A><A NAME="19872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019873.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	liblarch-2.1.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019874.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove mysql-workbench packages from	core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="19874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019875.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019876.html">[Mageia-dev] 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019877.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019878.html">[Mageia-dev] 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019880.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>scsijon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019879.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove mysql-workbench packages from	core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="19879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019881.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019882.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="19882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019883.html">[Mageia-dev] 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019884.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019885.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019886.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019887.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019888.html">[Mageia-dev] GPL-compatibility Question: Distributing Binaries of GPLed Programs Which Link Against Non-Free Code
+</A><A NAME="19888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019889.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019890.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6430] Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</A><A NAME="19890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019891.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019892.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019893.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019894.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019895.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019896.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019897.html">[Mageia-dev] Want to become an apprentice.
+</A><A NAME="19897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019898.html">[Mageia-dev] Want to become an apprentice.
+</A><A NAME="19898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019899.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing signature klines-handbook
+</A><A NAME="19899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019900.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing signature klines-handbook
+</A><A NAME="19900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019901.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+</A><A NAME="19901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Raghu Nayak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019902.html">[Mageia-dev] Want to become an apprentice.
+</A><A NAME="19902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019903.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019904.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019905.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing signature klines-handbook
+</A><A NAME="19905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019906.html">[Mageia-dev] I try to pack an existing package.
+</A><A NAME="19906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019907.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019908.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019909.html">[Mageia-dev] recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019910.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 7575] package request : gig
+</A><A NAME="19910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019911.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019912.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 7575] package request : gig
+</A><A NAME="19912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019913.html">[Mageia-dev] recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019914.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+</A><A NAME="19914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019915.html">[Mageia-dev] recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019916.html">[Mageia-dev] recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019917.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019918.html">[Mageia-dev] ignoring drakperm Re: recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019919.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019920.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+</A><A NAME="19920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Raghu Nayak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019921.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019922.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.13-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019923.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6430] Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</A><A NAME="19923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019924.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019925.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6430] Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</A><A NAME="19925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019926.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6430] Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</A><A NAME="19926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019927.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	drakx-installer-stage2-14.50-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019928.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6434] Revert commit 6430
+</A><A NAME="19928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019929.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	drakx-installer-stage2-14.50-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019930.html">[Mageia-dev] Small project for a Python programmer
+</A><A NAME="19930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>1
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019931.html">[Mageia-dev] default $PATH after UsrMove
+</A><A NAME="19931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019932.html">[Mageia-dev] LXDE Power Management in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="19932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019933.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019934.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019935.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019936.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019937.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019938.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.13-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019939.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+</A><A NAME="19939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Raghu Nayak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019940.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019941.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.13-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019942.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019945.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019946.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019943.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019944.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019948.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019947.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019949.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019950.html">[Mageia-dev] default $PATH after UsrMove
+</A><A NAME="19950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019951.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019952.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019953.html">[Mageia-dev] Small project for a Python programmer
+</A><A NAME="19953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019954.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019955.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019957.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	supertux-0.3.3-39.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019956.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019958.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019959.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019960.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] 2 tainted/updates_testing	vlc-2.0.3-2.2.mga2.tainted
+</A><A NAME="19960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019962.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019961.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019963.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	supertux-0.3.3-39.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019964.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	supertux-0.3.3-39.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019965.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	supertux-0.3.3-39.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019966.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019967.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019968.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019969.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019970.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019971.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Ciret
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019972.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019973.html">[Mageia-dev] default $PATH after UsrMove
+</A><A NAME="19973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019974.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019975.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019976.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Ciret
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019977.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019978.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019979.html">[Mageia-dev] Freeze has been removed ?
+</A><A NAME="19979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019980.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019981.html">[Mageia-dev] Freeze has been removed ?
+</A><A NAME="19981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019982.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network	settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019983.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019984.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network	settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019985.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019986.html">[Mageia-dev] digikam updates problem
+</A><A NAME="19986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019987.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019988.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 available
+</A><A NAME="19988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019989.html">[Mageia-dev] digikam updates problem
+</A><A NAME="19989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019990.html">[Mageia-dev] digikam updates problem
+</A><A NAME="19990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019991.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019992.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="19992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019993.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 available
+</A><A NAME="19993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019994.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	grub2-2.0-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019995.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="19995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019996.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="19996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019997.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="19997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019998.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="19998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019999.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="19999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020000.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="20000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020001.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020002.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020003.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 - testing boot.iso
+</A><A NAME="20003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020004.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 - testing boot.iso
+</A><A NAME="20004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020005.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020006.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 - testing boot.iso
+</A><A NAME="20006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020007.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020008.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020009.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020010.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020011.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: GPL-compatibility Question: Distributing Binaries of GPLed Programs Which Link Against Non-Free Code
+</A><A NAME="20011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020012.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020013.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020014.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 - testing boot.iso
+</A><A NAME="20014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020015.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020016.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020017.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	urpmi-7.10-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020018.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020019.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020020.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	urpmi-7.10-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020021.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020022.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020024.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020023.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020025.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020026.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020027.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020028.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020029.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020030.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020035.html">[Mageia-dev] Please help with Freeswitch
+</A><A NAME="20035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020031.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020032.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020033.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020034.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020036.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020037.html">[Mageia-dev] Please help with Freeswitch
+</A><A NAME="20037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020038.html">[Mageia-dev] Please help with Freeswitch
+</A><A NAME="20038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020039.html">[Mageia-dev] Please help with Freeswitch
+</A><A NAME="20039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>sardine
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020040.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff,	but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020041.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020042.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff,	but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020043.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff, but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020044.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff,	but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020045.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020046.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020047.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020048.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020049.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020050.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020051.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020052.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020053.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020054.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319464] fix package name
+</A><A NAME="20054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020055.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020056.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020057.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020058.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020059.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020060.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020061.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020062.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020063.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020064.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazy NFS umount problem: kernel or userspace?
+</A><A NAME="20064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020065.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazy NFS umount problem: kernel or userspace?
+</A><A NAME="20065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020066.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020067.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazy NFS umount problem: kernel or userspace?
+</A><A NAME="20067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020068.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020069.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020070.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020071.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020072.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazy NFS umount problem: kernel or userspace?
+</A><A NAME="20072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020073.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bind-9.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020074.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020075.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020076.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation license
+</A><A NAME="20076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020077.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020078.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020079.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020080.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	urtconnector-0.9.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020081.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020082.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020083.html">[Mageia-dev] mirror problems (mirror.aarnet.edu.au/mageia)
+</A><A NAME="20083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>scsijon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020084.html">[Mageia-dev] mirror problems (mirror.aarnet.edu.au/mageia)
+</A><A NAME="20084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020085.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020086.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020087.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020088.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020089.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020090.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020091.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020092.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020093.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020094.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020095.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020096.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020097.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020098.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020099.html">[Mageia-dev] WiFi Hotspot functionality in KDE
+</A><A NAME="20099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020100.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020101.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020102.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020103.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020104.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020105.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020106.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020107.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bind-9.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020108.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020109.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020110.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020111.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020112.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020113.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020114.html">[Mageia-dev] WiFi Hotspot functionality in KDE
+</A><A NAME="20114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020115.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020116.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths	in testing
+</A><A NAME="20116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020117.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox and Thunderbird ESR for Mga 3 ?
+</A><A NAME="20117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020118.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths in testing
+</A><A NAME="20118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020119.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths in testing
+</A><A NAME="20119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020120.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths in testing
+</A><A NAME="20120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020121.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox and Thunderbird ESR for Mga 3 ?
+</A><A NAME="20121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020122.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox and Thunderbird ESR for Mga 3 ?
+</A><A NAME="20122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020123.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020124.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020125.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020126.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020127.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths in testing
+</A><A NAME="20127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020128.html">[Mageia-dev] Not very important require about mail checker.
+</A><A NAME="20128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020129.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nss-3.14-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020130.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020131.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nss-3.14-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020132.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020133.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020134.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020135.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020136.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020137.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020138.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020139.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020140.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.10 Beta1
+</A><A NAME="20140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020141.html">[Mageia-dev] Not very important require about mail checker.
+</A><A NAME="20141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020142.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020143.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release get-skype-4.1.0.20-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020144.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	apache-2.4.3-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020145.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release	get-skype-4.1.0.20-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020147.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release get-skype-4.1.0.20-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020148.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	apache-2.4.3-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020152.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	freeswitch-1.2.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020146.html">[Mageia-dev] Not very important require about mail checker.
+</A><A NAME="20146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020153.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	freeswitch-1.2.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020149.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release apache-2.4.3-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020150.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020151.html">[Mageia-dev] Not very important require about mail checker.
+</A><A NAME="20151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020154.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ldetect-lst-0.1.311-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020155.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="20155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020156.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ldetect-lst-0.1.311-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020157.html">[Mageia-dev] USB speaker systems
+</A><A NAME="20157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020158.html">[Mageia-dev] USB speaker systems
+</A><A NAME="20158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020159.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="20159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020160.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020161.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020162.html">[Mageia-dev] USB speaker systems
+</A><A NAME="20162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020163.html">[Mageia-dev] USB speaker systems
+</A><A NAME="20163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020164.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages (was: Re:	rpmlint)
+</A><A NAME="20164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020165.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages
+</A><A NAME="20165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020166.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020167.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020168.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6500] make clear those functions are not related to macros
+</A><A NAME="20168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020169.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020170.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020171.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020172.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff, but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020173.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff, but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020174.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.10 Beta1
+</A><A NAME="20174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020175.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 2234] qmmp, audioplayer
+</A><A NAME="20175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020176.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020177.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020178.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020179.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020180.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file,	unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020181.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020182.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020183.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020184.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020185.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020186.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020187.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file,	unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020188.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020189.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020190.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020191.html">[Mageia-dev] Locking screen
+</A><A NAME="20191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020192.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia] RPM's for OCaml 4.00.1 and associated libs	for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="20192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020193.html">[Mageia-dev] Locking screen
+</A><A NAME="20193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020194.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020195.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020196.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020197.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020198.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020199.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020200.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020201.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020202.html">[Mageia-dev] Add or Modify a Boot Menu Entry - please help write the help text
+</A><A NAME="20202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020203.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020204.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020205.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020206.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020207.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020208.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020209.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020210.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020211.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020212.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020213.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020214.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020215.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020216.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020217.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020218.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020219.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020220.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020221.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020222.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020223.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020224.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020225.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020226.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020227.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020228.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020229.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020230.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020231.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020232.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020233.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020234.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020235.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020236.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020237.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020238.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020239.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020240.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020241.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020242.html">[Mageia-dev] The category in file kalgebra.desktop
+</A><A NAME="20242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020243.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020244.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020245.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020246.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020247.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020248.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages (was: Re: rpmlint)
+</A><A NAME="20248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020249.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020250.html">[Mageia-dev] Locking screen
+</A><A NAME="20250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020251.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020252.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020253.html">[Mageia-dev] Locking screen
+</A><A NAME="20253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020254.html">[Mageia-dev] Incredibly slow bootup in Cauldron - FYI
+</A><A NAME="20254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020255.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020256.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020257.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020258.html">[Mageia-dev] Why no totem-plugin-arte in Mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="20258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020259.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020260.html">[Mageia-dev] rabbitmq-server build failure
+</A><A NAME="20260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020261.html">[Mageia-dev] couchdb packaging
+</A><A NAME="20261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020262.html">[Mageia-dev] Why no totem-plugin-arte in Mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="20262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020263.html">[Mageia-dev] rabbitmq-server build failure
+</A><A NAME="20263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020264.html">[Mageia-dev] couchdb packaging
+</A><A NAME="20264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020265.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020266.html">[Mageia-dev] Why no totem-plugin-arte in Mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="20266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020267.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020268.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020269.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages
+</A><A NAME="20269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020270.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages
+</A><A NAME="20270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020271.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020272.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020273.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages
+</A><A NAME="20273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020274.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020275.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020276.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	timidity-patch-freepats-20060219-15.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020277.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.4.9-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020278.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.4.9-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020279.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020280.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020281.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020282.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon uploaded
+</A><A NAME="20282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020283.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020284.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon uploaded
+</A><A NAME="20284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020285.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020286.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon uploaded
+</A><A NAME="20286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020287.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN + auth-user-pass + systemd password agents (was: Re: OpenVPN missing PID dir)
+</A><A NAME="20287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020288.html">[Mageia-dev] Why no totem-plugin-arte in Mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="20288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020290.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020291.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020289.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020292.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020293.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020294.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020295.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020296.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee will down tonight
+</A><A NAME="20296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020297.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020298.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020299.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020300.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020301.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020303.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020302.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020304.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020305.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020306.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020307.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020308.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020309.html">[Mageia-dev] GStreamer packaging (was: Re: rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME)
+</A><A NAME="20309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020310.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN + auth-user-pass + systemd password agents
+</A><A NAME="20310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020311.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020314.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020312.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020313.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020315.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020316.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020317.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020318.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	x11-driver-video-ati-7.0.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020319.html">[Mageia-dev]   [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="20319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020320.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed	title)
+</A><A NAME="20320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020321.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020322.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020323.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020324.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020325.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello Mageia!!!!
+</A><A NAME="20325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020326.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020327.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020328.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020329.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating python-lxml
+</A><A NAME="20329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020330.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating python-lxml
+</A><A NAME="20330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020331.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;sell&quot; me Mageia (was: Cinnamon)
+</A><A NAME="20331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020332.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	x11-driver-video-ati-7.0.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020333.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020334.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020335.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020336.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020337.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello Mageia!!!!
+</A><A NAME="20337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020338.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ocaml-xmlm-1.1.1-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020339.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020340.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020341.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020342.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020343.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020344.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020345.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020346.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020350.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020347.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020348.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020349.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020351.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE Automounting broken again
+</A><A NAME="20351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020352.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN + auth-user-pass + systemd password agents
+</A><A NAME="20352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020353.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd-journal
+</A><A NAME="20353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020354.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020355.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020356.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd-journal
+</A><A NAME="20356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020357.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 nonfree/updates_testing	drakx-installer-images-1.75-11.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020358.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd-journal
+</A><A NAME="20358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020359.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 nonfree/updates_testing	drakx-installer-images-1.75-11.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020360.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd-journal
+</A><A NAME="20360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020361.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020362.html">[Mageia-dev] Qt5 with wayland platform support
+</A><A NAME="20362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrien Guichard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020363.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020364.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020365.html">[Mageia-dev] Qt5 with wayland platform support
+</A><A NAME="20365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020366.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020367.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar	invite
+</A><A NAME="20367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020368.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020369.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020370.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020371.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a	calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020372.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020373.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020374.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020375.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020376.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020377.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ocaml-xtmpl-0.3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020378.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020379.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020380.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020381.html">[Mageia-dev] forkbomb protection
+</A><A NAME="20381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020382.html">[Mageia-dev] forkbomb protection
+</A><A NAME="20382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020383.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ocaml-xtmpl-0.3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020384.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ocaml-xtmpl-0.3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020385.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020386.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020387.html">[Mageia-dev] forkbomb protection
+</A><A NAME="20387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020388.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020389.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	fluidsynth-1.1.5-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020390.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020391.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020392.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020393.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020394.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020395.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020396.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020397.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020398.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020399.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020400.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020401.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020402.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020403.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020404.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020405.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020406.html">[Mageia-dev] GStreamer packaging (was: Re: rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME)
+</A><A NAME="20406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020407.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020408.html">[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus
+</A><A NAME="20408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020409.html">[Mageia-dev] Automated rebuild test
+</A><A NAME="20409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020410.html">[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus
+</A><A NAME="20410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020411.html">[Mageia-dev] Automated rebuild test
+</A><A NAME="20411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020412.html">[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus
+</A><A NAME="20412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020413.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020414.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020415.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020416.html">[Mageia-dev] is iurt usable in MGA2?
+</A><A NAME="20416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020417.html">[Mageia-dev] is iurt usable in MGA2?
+</A><A NAME="20417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020418.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020419.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020420.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020421.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020422.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020423.html">[Mageia-dev] Automated rebuild test
+</A><A NAME="20423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020424.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020425.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron tainted/updates_testing	libxcb-1.9-1.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="20425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020426.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron tainted/updates_testing libxcb-1.9-1.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="20426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020427.html">[Mageia-dev] libtunepimp and kid3
+</A><A NAME="20427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020428.html">[Mageia-dev] Automated rebuild test
+</A><A NAME="20428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020429.html">[Mageia-dev] libtunepimp and kid3
+</A><A NAME="20429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020430.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020431.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020432.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020433.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020434.html">[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus
+</A><A NAME="20434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020435.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020436.html">[Mageia-dev] Push request for drakx-installer-stage2
+</A><A NAME="20436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo Pasotti
+</I>
+
+    </ul>
+    <p>
+      <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> 
+       <i>Fri Nov 30 23:06:01 CET 2012</i><br>
+    <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Nov 30 23:06:09 CET 2012</i>
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+		
+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+                    </a></b></li>
+     </ul>
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+      <a name="start"></A>
+      <h1>November 2012 Archives by subject</h1>
+      <ul>
+         <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+	        <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+		
+		<a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+		<a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+                    </a></b></li>
+      </ul>
+      <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Nov  1 00:38:00 CET 2012</i><br>
+         <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Nov 30 23:06:01 CET 2012</i><br>
+         <b>Messages:</b> 723<p>
+     <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020331.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;sell&quot; me Mageia (was: Cinnamon)
+</A><A NAME="20331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019863.html">[Mageia-dev] 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019878.html">[Mageia-dev] 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019876.html">[Mageia-dev] 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019883.html">[Mageia-dev] 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019872.html">[Mageia-dev] 3rd draft of Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center about FAAC
+</A><A NAME="19872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019869.html">[Mageia-dev] 3rd draft of Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center	about FAAC
+</A><A NAME="19869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019870.html">[Mageia-dev] 3rd draft of Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center about FAAC
+</A><A NAME="19870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020348.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020354.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020355.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020363.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020403.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020175.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 2234] qmmp, audioplayer
+</A><A NAME="20175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019910.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 7575] package request : gig
+</A><A NAME="19910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019912.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 7575] package request : gig
+</A><A NAME="19912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020180.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file,	unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020187.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file,	unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020167.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020169.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020170.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020171.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020177.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020178.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020197.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020279.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020385.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020386.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020390.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020398.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020400.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019960.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] 2 tainted/updates_testing	vlc-2.0.3-2.2.mga2.tainted
+</A><A NAME="19960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020209.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020214.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020241.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020256.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020259.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020267.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020271.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020357.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 nonfree/updates_testing	drakx-installer-images-1.75-11.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020359.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 nonfree/updates_testing	drakx-installer-images-1.75-11.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020144.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	apache-2.4.3-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020148.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	apache-2.4.3-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020073.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bind-9.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020107.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bind-9.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019760.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	calibre-0.9.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020389.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	fluidsynth-1.1.5-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020152.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	freeswitch-1.2.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020153.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	freeswitch-1.2.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019994.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	grub2-2.0-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019938.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.13-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019717.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kernel-tmb-3.6.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019723.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kernel-tmb-3.6.5-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019724.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kernel-tmb-3.6.5-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020154.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ldetect-lst-0.1.311-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020156.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ldetect-lst-0.1.311-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019873.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	liblarch-2.1.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020032.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020033.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020036.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020046.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020048.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020049.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020052.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
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+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="020070.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
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+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020074.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
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+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="020105.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020106.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="020109.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020110.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020115.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020133.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020129.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nss-3.14-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020131.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nss-3.14-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020338.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ocaml-xmlm-1.1.1-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020377.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ocaml-xtmpl-0.3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020383.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ocaml-xtmpl-0.3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020384.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ocaml-xtmpl-0.3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020277.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.4.9-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020278.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.4.9-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019752.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ruby-1.9.3.p286-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019957.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	supertux-0.3.3-39.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019963.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	supertux-0.3.3-39.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019964.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	supertux-0.3.3-39.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019965.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	supertux-0.3.3-39.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019787.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	synkron-1.6.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019792.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	synkron-1.6.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020276.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	timidity-patch-freepats-20060219-15.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020007.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020008.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020009.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020012.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020179.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020017.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	urpmi-7.10-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020020.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	urpmi-7.10-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020080.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	urtconnector-0.9.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019786.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	wmbutton-0.7.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020149.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release apache-2.4.3-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019922.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.13-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019941.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.13-5.mga3
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+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="020051.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020053.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020071.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020010.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019836.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release	flash-player-plugin-11.2.202.251-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019840.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release	flash-player-plugin-11.2.202.251-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020145.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release	get-skype-4.1.0.20-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020143.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release get-skype-4.1.0.20-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020147.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release get-skype-4.1.0.20-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020425.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron tainted/updates_testing	libxcb-1.9-1.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="20425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020426.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron tainted/updates_testing libxcb-1.9-1.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="20426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019927.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	drakx-installer-stage2-14.50-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019929.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	drakx-installer-stage2-14.50-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020318.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	x11-driver-video-ati-7.0.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020332.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	x11-driver-video-ati-7.0.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019799.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release slim-1.3.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019824.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release slim-1.3.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019826.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release slim-1.3.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020192.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia] RPM's for OCaml 4.00.1 and associated libs	for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="20192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019716.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [311714] revert rubygems_dir dir
+</A><A NAME="19716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020019.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020021.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020024.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020031.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020034.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020054.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319464] fix package name
+</A><A NAME="20054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020190.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020195.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020196.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020198.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020224.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019891.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019892.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020319.html">[Mageia-dev]   [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="20319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020320.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed	title)
+</A><A NAME="20320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020336.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020341.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020343.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020361.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020405.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019802.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019810.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019815.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019816.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo Pasotti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019817.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo Pasotti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019820.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019821.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019807.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6418] using yui::YCommandLine only for all, at the moment
+</A><A NAME="19807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019812.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6418] using yui::YCommandLine only for all, at the moment
+</A><A NAME="19812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019890.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6430] Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</A><A NAME="19890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019923.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6430] Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</A><A NAME="19923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019925.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6430] Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</A><A NAME="19925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019926.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6430] Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</A><A NAME="19926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019928.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6434] Revert commit 6430
+</A><A NAME="19928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019940.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019942.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019945.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019946.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019943.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019944.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019948.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019947.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019949.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019951.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019952.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019954.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019955.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019956.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019958.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019966.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020168.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6500] make clear those functions are not related to macros
+</A><A NAME="20168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019761.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019762.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019765.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019766.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019767.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019769.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019773.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019774.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019775.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019776.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019794.html">[Mageia-dev] About task-games
+</A><A NAME="19794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019842.html">[Mageia-dev] About task-games
+</A><A NAME="19842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019846.html">[Mageia-dev] About task-games
+</A><A NAME="19846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020202.html">[Mageia-dev] Add or Modify a Boot Menu Entry - please help write the help text
+</A><A NAME="20202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020165.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages
+</A><A NAME="20165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020269.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages
+</A><A NAME="20269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020270.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages
+</A><A NAME="20270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020273.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages
+</A><A NAME="20273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020164.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages (was: Re:	rpmlint)
+</A><A NAME="20164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020248.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages (was: Re: rpmlint)
+</A><A NAME="20248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019837.html">[Mageia-dev] Admin Panel
+</A><A NAME="19837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019839.html">[Mageia-dev] Admin Panel
+</A><A NAME="19839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020116.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths	in testing
+</A><A NAME="20116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020118.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths in testing
+</A><A NAME="20118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020119.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths in testing
+</A><A NAME="20119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020120.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths in testing
+</A><A NAME="20120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020127.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths in testing
+</A><A NAME="20127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020055.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020056.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020057.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020058.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020059.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020060.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020061.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020062.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020063.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019737.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mod_nss
+</A><A NAME="19737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019739.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mod_nss
+</A><A NAME="19739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019722.html">[Mageia-dev]  Artwork submissions for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020409.html">[Mageia-dev] Automated rebuild test
+</A><A NAME="20409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020411.html">[Mageia-dev] Automated rebuild test
+</A><A NAME="20411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020423.html">[Mageia-dev] Automated rebuild test
+</A><A NAME="20423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020428.html">[Mageia-dev] Automated rebuild test
+</A><A NAME="20428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019801.html">[Mageia-dev] Back to our weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="19801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019803.html">[Mageia-dev] Back to our weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="19803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019782.html">[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs
+</A><A NAME="19782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019806.html">[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs
+</A><A NAME="19806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019808.html">[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs
+</A><A NAME="19808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019809.html">[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs
+</A><A NAME="19809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020018.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020041.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020045.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020047.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020050.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020066.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020068.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020081.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020096.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020292.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020300.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020302.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020304.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020321.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020323.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020324.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020326.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020328.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019884.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019885.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019886.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019887.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019921.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019924.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020181.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020182.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020183.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020184.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020185.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020186.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020188.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020189.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020200.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020201.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020226.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020230.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020234.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020237.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020251.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020350.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020391.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020392.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020393.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020394.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020395.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020396.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020399.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019719.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing	the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019728.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing	the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019730.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing	the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019734.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing	the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019720.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019721.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019731.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019733.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019736.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020285.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020294.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020297.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020298.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020299.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020307.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020312.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020313.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020316.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020327.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020342.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020282.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon uploaded
+</A><A NAME="20282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020284.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon uploaded
+</A><A NAME="20284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020286.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon uploaded
+</A><A NAME="20286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020261.html">[Mageia-dev] couchdb packaging
+</A><A NAME="20261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020264.html">[Mageia-dev] couchdb packaging
+</A><A NAME="20264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019931.html">[Mageia-dev] default $PATH after UsrMove
+</A><A NAME="19931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019950.html">[Mageia-dev] default $PATH after UsrMove
+</A><A NAME="19950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019973.html">[Mageia-dev] default $PATH after UsrMove
+</A><A NAME="19973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019986.html">[Mageia-dev] digikam updates problem
+</A><A NAME="19986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019989.html">[Mageia-dev] digikam updates problem
+</A><A NAME="19989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019990.html">[Mageia-dev] digikam updates problem
+</A><A NAME="19990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019718.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019726.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019729.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019732.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019735.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020296.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee will down tonight
+</A><A NAME="20296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019845.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019848.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019850.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019852.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019857.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019871.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019825.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center	(SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019844.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019861.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019851.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019855.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019853.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019856.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Trish Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019858.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019860.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019866.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019867.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020085.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020086.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020087.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020088.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020090.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020091.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020093.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020111.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020125.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020137.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020371.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a	calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020367.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar	invite
+</A><A NAME="20367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020368.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020369.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020378.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020388.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020402.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020404.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019865.html">[Mageia-dev] faac: decision from the packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="19865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020117.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox and Thunderbird ESR for Mga 3 ?
+</A><A NAME="20117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020121.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox and Thunderbird ESR for Mga 3 ?
+</A><A NAME="20121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020122.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox and Thunderbird ESR for Mga 3 ?
+</A><A NAME="20122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020381.html">[Mageia-dev] forkbomb protection
+</A><A NAME="20381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020382.html">[Mageia-dev] forkbomb protection
+</A><A NAME="20382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020387.html">[Mageia-dev] forkbomb protection
+</A><A NAME="20387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019847.html">[Mageia-dev] Freeze for alpha3
+</A><A NAME="19847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019979.html">[Mageia-dev] Freeze has been removed ?
+</A><A NAME="19979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019981.html">[Mageia-dev] Freeze has been removed ?
+</A><A NAME="19981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019862.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020011.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: GPL-compatibility Question: Distributing Binaries of GPLed Programs Which Link Against Non-Free Code
+</A><A NAME="20011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019835.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python	2
+</A><A NAME="19835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019780.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019781.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019783.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019784.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019785.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019788.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019789.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019790.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019791.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019793.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019795.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019796.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019797.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019798.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019800.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019843.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019877.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019888.html">[Mageia-dev] GPL-compatibility Question: Distributing Binaries of GPLed Programs Which Link Against Non-Free Code
+</A><A NAME="19888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019804.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019805.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019811.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019813.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019814.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019818.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019819.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019822.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019823.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020309.html">[Mageia-dev] GStreamer packaging (was: Re: rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME)
+</A><A NAME="20309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020406.html">[Mageia-dev] GStreamer packaging (was: Re: rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME)
+</A><A NAME="20406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020325.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello Mageia!!!!
+</A><A NAME="20325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020337.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello Mageia!!!!
+</A><A NAME="20337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019969.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019971.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Ciret
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019972.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019974.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019975.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019976.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Ciret
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019977.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019991.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019906.html">[Mageia-dev] I try to pack an existing package.
+</A><A NAME="19906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019918.html">[Mageia-dev] ignoring drakperm Re: recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020254.html">[Mageia-dev] Incredibly slow bootup in Cauldron - FYI
+</A><A NAME="20254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020416.html">[Mageia-dev] is iurt usable in MGA2?
+</A><A NAME="20416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020417.html">[Mageia-dev] is iurt usable in MGA2?
+</A><A NAME="20417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019748.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019751.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019754.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019755.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019757.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019770.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019998.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="19998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019999.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="19999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020013.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020016.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020022.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020023.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020025.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020026.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020028.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020176.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020351.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE Automounting broken again
+</A><A NAME="20351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020140.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.10 Beta1
+</A><A NAME="20140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020174.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.10 Beta1
+</A><A NAME="20174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020064.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazy NFS umount problem: kernel or userspace?
+</A><A NAME="20064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020065.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazy NFS umount problem: kernel or userspace?
+</A><A NAME="20065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020067.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazy NFS umount problem: kernel or userspace?
+</A><A NAME="20067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020072.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazy NFS umount problem: kernel or userspace?
+</A><A NAME="20072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019746.html">[Mageia-dev] ldap lat utility
+</A><A NAME="19746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019756.html">[Mageia-dev] ldap lat utility
+</A><A NAME="19756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019764.html">[Mageia-dev] ldap lat utility
+</A><A NAME="19764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019768.html">[Mageia-dev] ldap lat utility
+</A><A NAME="19768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019778.html">[Mageia-dev] legacy %ifarch
+</A><A NAME="19778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019779.html">[Mageia-dev] legacy %ifarch
+</A><A NAME="19779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020427.html">[Mageia-dev] libtunepimp and kid3
+</A><A NAME="20427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020429.html">[Mageia-dev] libtunepimp and kid3
+</A><A NAME="20429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020191.html">[Mageia-dev] Locking screen
+</A><A NAME="20191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020193.html">[Mageia-dev] Locking screen
+</A><A NAME="20193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020250.html">[Mageia-dev] Locking screen
+</A><A NAME="20250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020253.html">[Mageia-dev] Locking screen
+</A><A NAME="20253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019932.html">[Mageia-dev] LXDE Power Management in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="19932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020003.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 - testing boot.iso
+</A><A NAME="20003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020004.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 - testing boot.iso
+</A><A NAME="20004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020006.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 - testing boot.iso
+</A><A NAME="20006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020014.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 - testing boot.iso
+</A><A NAME="20014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019988.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 available
+</A><A NAME="19988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019993.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 available
+</A><A NAME="19993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019741.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-3-Alpha2: Odd 'broadcom-wl-kernel clash in	latest update
+</A><A NAME="19741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020301.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020311.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020314.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020333.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020335.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019901.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+</A><A NAME="19901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Raghu Nayak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019914.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+</A><A NAME="19914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019920.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+</A><A NAME="19920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Raghu Nayak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019939.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+</A><A NAME="19939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Raghu Nayak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020289.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020303.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020306.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020317.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020322.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019919.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019933.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019934.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019935.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019936.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020083.html">[Mageia-dev] mirror problems (mirror.aarnet.edu.au/mageia)
+</A><A NAME="20083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>scsijon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020084.html">[Mageia-dev] mirror problems (mirror.aarnet.edu.au/mageia)
+</A><A NAME="20084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019894.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019895.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019896.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019911.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019917.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019899.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing signature klines-handbook
+</A><A NAME="19899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019900.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing signature klines-handbook
+</A><A NAME="19900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019905.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing signature klines-handbook
+</A><A NAME="19905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019937.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019959.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019962.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019961.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020364.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020366.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020370.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020372.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020373.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020374.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020376.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020379.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020397.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020128.html">[Mageia-dev] Not very important require about mail checker.
+</A><A NAME="20128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020141.html">[Mageia-dev] Not very important require about mail checker.
+</A><A NAME="20141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020146.html">[Mageia-dev] Not very important require about mail checker.
+</A><A NAME="20146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020151.html">[Mageia-dev] Not very important require about mail checker.
+</A><A NAME="20151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019882.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="19882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019995.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="19995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019996.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="19996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019997.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="19997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020000.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="20000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020310.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN + auth-user-pass + systemd password agents
+</A><A NAME="20310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020352.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN + auth-user-pass + systemd password agents
+</A><A NAME="20352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020287.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN + auth-user-pass + systemd password agents (was: Re: OpenVPN missing PID dir)
+</A><A NAME="20287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020194.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020245.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020246.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020257.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020268.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020272.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020274.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020275.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019992.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="19992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020001.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020002.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020005.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020015.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020027.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020029.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020030.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019967.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019968.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019970.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019978.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019980.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020035.html">[Mageia-dev] Please help with Freeswitch
+</A><A NAME="20035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020037.html">[Mageia-dev] Please help with Freeswitch
+</A><A NAME="20037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020038.html">[Mageia-dev] Please help with Freeswitch
+</A><A NAME="20038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020039.html">[Mageia-dev] Please help with Freeswitch
+</A><A NAME="20039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>sardine
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019714.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019715.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020069.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020075.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020082.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020130.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020132.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020134.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020135.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020136.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020138.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020139.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020142.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020150.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020160.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020161.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019742.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: MTP (Media Transport Protocol)	Support
+</A><A NAME="19742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yannick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019743.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: MTP (Media Transport Protocol)	Support
+</A><A NAME="19743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020436.html">[Mageia-dev] Push request for drakx-installer-stage2
+</A><A NAME="20436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo Pasotti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020362.html">[Mageia-dev] Qt5 with wayland platform support
+</A><A NAME="20362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrien Guichard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020365.html">[Mageia-dev] Qt5 with wayland platform support
+</A><A NAME="20365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020077.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020079.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020123.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020124.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020166.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020076.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation license
+</A><A NAME="20076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020260.html">[Mageia-dev] rabbitmq-server build failure
+</A><A NAME="20260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020263.html">[Mageia-dev] rabbitmq-server build failure
+</A><A NAME="20263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019749.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilding drakx-installer-stage2
+</A><A NAME="19749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo Pasotti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019750.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilding drakx-installer-stage2
+</A><A NAME="19750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019909.html">[Mageia-dev] recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019913.html">[Mageia-dev] recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019915.html">[Mageia-dev] recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019916.html">[Mageia-dev] recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020408.html">[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus
+</A><A NAME="20408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020410.html">[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus
+</A><A NAME="20410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020412.html">[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus
+</A><A NAME="20412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020434.html">[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus
+</A><A NAME="20434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019725.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019740.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019868.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove mysql-workbench packages from	core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="19868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019874.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove mysql-workbench packages from	core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="19874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019879.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove mysql-workbench packages from	core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="19879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019881.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019903.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019904.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019907.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019908.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020280.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020281.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020290.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020291.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020293.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020295.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020155.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="20155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020159.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="20159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020305.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020308.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020315.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020340.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020401.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019841.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="19841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019745.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - help needed (status update)
+</A><A NAME="19745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019930.html">[Mageia-dev] Small project for a Python programmer
+</A><A NAME="19930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>1
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019953.html">[Mageia-dev] Small project for a Python programmer
+</A><A NAME="19953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019827.html">[Mageia-dev] Submit new rpmlint-mageia-policy
+</A><A NAME="19827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019834.html">[Mageia-dev] Submit new rpmlint-mageia-policy
+</A><A NAME="19834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019982.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network	settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019984.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network	settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019983.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019985.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019987.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020353.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd-journal
+</A><A NAME="20353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020356.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd-journal
+</A><A NAME="20356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020358.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd-journal
+</A><A NAME="20358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020360.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd-journal
+</A><A NAME="20360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019771.html">[Mageia-dev] texlive missing deps
+</A><A NAME="19771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019772.html">[Mageia-dev] texlive missing deps
+</A><A NAME="19772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020242.html">[Mageia-dev] The category in file kalgebra.desktop
+</A><A NAME="20242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020104.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020112.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020113.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020347.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020349.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020040.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff,	but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020042.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff,	but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020044.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff,	but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020043.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff, but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020172.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff, but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020173.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff, but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019828.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019829.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019830.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019831.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019832.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019833.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019838.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019849.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019747.html">[Mageia-dev] Updateing mageia-maintainers-database
+</A><A NAME="19747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019758.html">[Mageia-dev] Updateing mageia-maintainers-database
+</A><A NAME="19758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>sardine
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019759.html">[Mageia-dev] Updateing mageia-maintainers-database
+</A><A NAME="19759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019763.html">[Mageia-dev] Updateing mageia-maintainers-database
+</A><A NAME="19763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020329.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating python-lxml
+</A><A NAME="20329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020330.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating python-lxml
+</A><A NAME="20330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020157.html">[Mageia-dev] USB speaker systems
+</A><A NAME="20157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020158.html">[Mageia-dev] USB speaker systems
+</A><A NAME="20158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020162.html">[Mageia-dev] USB speaker systems
+</A><A NAME="20162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020163.html">[Mageia-dev] USB speaker systems
+</A><A NAME="20163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020205.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020206.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020210.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020220.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020231.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020233.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020235.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020236.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020239.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020243.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020247.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020249.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020252.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020255.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020265.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020283.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020375.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020380.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020407.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020413.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020414.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020415.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020418.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020419.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020420.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020421.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020422.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020424.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020430.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020431.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020432.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020433.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020435.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020199.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020216.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020217.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020219.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020238.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019897.html">[Mageia-dev] Want to become an apprentice.
+</A><A NAME="19897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019898.html">[Mageia-dev] Want to become an apprentice.
+</A><A NAME="19898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019902.html">[Mageia-dev] Want to become an apprentice.
+</A><A NAME="19902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019738.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird memory leak in X
+</A><A NAME="19738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019744.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird memory leak in X
+</A><A NAME="19744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019777.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird memory leak in X
+</A><A NAME="19777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020203.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020204.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020207.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020208.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020211.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020212.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020213.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020215.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020218.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020221.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020222.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020223.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020225.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020227.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020228.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020229.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020232.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020240.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020244.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020078.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020089.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020092.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020094.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020095.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020097.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020098.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020100.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020101.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020102.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020103.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020108.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020126.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019727.html">[Mageia-dev] What's happening?
+</A><A NAME="19727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019753.html">[Mageia-dev] What's happening?
+</A><A NAME="19753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Pate
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020258.html">[Mageia-dev] Why no totem-plugin-arte in Mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="20258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020262.html">[Mageia-dev] Why no totem-plugin-arte in Mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="20262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020266.html">[Mageia-dev] Why no totem-plugin-arte in Mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="20266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020288.html">[Mageia-dev] Why no totem-plugin-arte in Mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="20288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020099.html">[Mageia-dev] WiFi Hotspot functionality in KDE
+</A><A NAME="20099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020114.html">[Mageia-dev] WiFi Hotspot functionality in KDE
+</A><A NAME="20114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019854.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019859.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019864.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019875.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019880.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>scsijon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019889.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019893.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020334.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020339.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020344.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020345.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="020346.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+    </ul>
+    <p>
+      <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> 
+       <i>Fri Nov 30 23:06:01 CET 2012</i><br>
+    <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Nov 30 23:06:09 CET 2012</i>
+    <p>
+   <ul>
+         <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+		
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+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+                    </a></b></li>
+     </ul>
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+      <h1>November 2012 Archives by thread</h1>
+      <ul>
+         <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+	        
+		<a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+		<a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+		<a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+                    </a></b></li>
+      </ul>
+      <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Nov  1 00:38:00 CET 2012</i><br>
+         <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Nov 30 23:06:01 CET 2012</i><br>
+         <b>Messages:</b> 723<p>
+     <ul>
+
+<!--0 01351726680- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019714.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351726680-01351726917- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019715.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351734939- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019716.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [311714] revert rubygems_dir dir
+</A><A NAME="19716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351738409- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019717.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kernel-tmb-3.6.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351759355- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019718.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351759355-01351779861- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019726.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351759355-01351779861-01351799913- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019729.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351759355-01351779861-01351799913-01351803071- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019732.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351759355-01351779861-01351799913-01351803071-01351813287- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019735.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351759355-01351779861-01351799913-01351803071-01351813287-01352144215- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019782.html">[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs
+</A><A NAME="19782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351759355-01351779861-01351799913-01351803071-01351813287-01352144215-01352210740- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019806.html">[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs
+</A><A NAME="19806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351759355-01351779861-01351799913-01351803071-01351813287-01352144215-01352210740-01352211529- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019808.html">[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs
+</A><A NAME="19808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351759355-01351779861-01351799913-01351803071-01351813287-01352144215-01352210740-01352211529-01352212118- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019809.html">[Mageia-dev] Barry's cronsync script - Bugs
+</A><A NAME="19809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351774014- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019719.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing	the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351774014-01351774613- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019720.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351774014-01351774613-01351802043- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019731.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351774014-01351774613-01351802043-01351809892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019733.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351774014-01351774613-01351802043-01351811153- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019734.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing	the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351774014-01351774613-01351802043-01351811153-01351814201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019736.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01351774014-01351776173- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019721.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351774014-01351776173-01351783174- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019728.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing	the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351774014-01351776173-01351783174-01351800083- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019730.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing	the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351776561- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019722.html">[Mageia-dev]  Artwork submissions for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351776597- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019723.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kernel-tmb-3.6.5-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351776597-01351777563- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019724.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kernel-tmb-3.6.5-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351777932- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019725.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351780617- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019727.html">[Mageia-dev] What's happening?
+</A><A NAME="19727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351780617-01351956744- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019753.html">[Mageia-dev] What's happening?
+</A><A NAME="19753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Pate
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351826093- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019737.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mod_nss
+</A><A NAME="19737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351826093-01351848710- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019739.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mod_nss
+</A><A NAME="19739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351845395- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019738.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird memory leak in X
+</A><A NAME="19738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351845395-01351872021- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019744.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird memory leak in X
+</A><A NAME="19744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351845395-01351872021-01352125905- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019777.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird memory leak in X
+</A><A NAME="19777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351851048- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019740.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351858554- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019741.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-3-Alpha2: Odd 'broadcom-wl-kernel clash in	latest update
+</A><A NAME="19741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351868845- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019742.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: MTP (Media Transport Protocol)	Support
+</A><A NAME="19742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yannick
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351868845-01351869560- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019743.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature: MTP (Media Transport Protocol)	Support
+</A><A NAME="19743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351880399- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019745.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - help needed (status update)
+</A><A NAME="19745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351882746- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019746.html">[Mageia-dev] ldap lat utility
+</A><A NAME="19746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351882746-01351967690- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019756.html">[Mageia-dev] ldap lat utility
+</A><A NAME="19756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351882746-01351967690-01352064386- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019764.html">[Mageia-dev] ldap lat utility
+</A><A NAME="19764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351882746-01351967690-01352064386-01352073938- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019768.html">[Mageia-dev] ldap lat utility
+</A><A NAME="19768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351927742- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019747.html">[Mageia-dev] Updateing mageia-maintainers-database
+</A><A NAME="19747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351941270- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019748.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351941270-01351951872- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019751.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351941270-01351951872-01351959055- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019754.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351941270-01351951872-01351959055-01351966196- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019755.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351941270-01351951872-01351959055-01351970968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019757.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351941270-01351951872-01351959055-01351970968-01352082184- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019770.html">[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing
+</A><A NAME="19770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351943937- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019749.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilding drakx-installer-stage2
+</A><A NAME="19749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo Pasotti
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351943937-01351949407- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019750.html">[Mageia-dev] Rebuilding drakx-installer-stage2
+</A><A NAME="19750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351955886- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019752.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ruby-1.9.3.p286-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351970689- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019758.html">[Mageia-dev] Updateing mageia-maintainers-database
+</A><A NAME="19758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>sardine
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351970689-01351997854- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019759.html">[Mageia-dev] Updateing mageia-maintainers-database
+</A><A NAME="19759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351970689-01351997854-01352053667- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019763.html">[Mageia-dev] Updateing mageia-maintainers-database
+</A><A NAME="19763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352000146- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019760.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	calibre-0.9.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352044359- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019761.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352044359-01352049205- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019762.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352044359-01352049205-01352066915- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019765.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352044359-01352049205-01352066915-01352072921- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019767.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352044359-01352049205-01352066915-01352072921-01352120378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019775.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01352044359-01352049205-01352070627- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019766.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352044359-01352049205-01352070627-01352120209- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019774.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01352044359-01352076429- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019769.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352044359-01352076429-01352116705- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019773.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352044359-01352076429-01352116705-01352123110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019776.html">[Mageia-dev] about ruby updates and some broken dependancies
+</A><A NAME="19776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352087767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019771.html">[Mageia-dev] texlive missing deps
+</A><A NAME="19771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352087767-01352087816- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019772.html">[Mageia-dev] texlive missing deps
+</A><A NAME="19772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352126959- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019778.html">[Mageia-dev] legacy %ifarch
+</A><A NAME="19778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352126959-01352127503- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019779.html">[Mageia-dev] legacy %ifarch
+</A><A NAME="19779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352138327- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019780.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352138327-01352140046- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019781.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352138327-01352140046-01352154584- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019783.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352138327-01352140046-01352154584-01352155181- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019784.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352138327-01352140046-01352154584-01352155181-01352156503- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019785.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352138327-01352140046-01352154584-01352155181-01352156503-01352160304- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019791.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352138327-01352140046-01352154584-01352155181-01352156503-01352160304-01352192828- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019798.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352138327-01352140046-01352154584-01352155181-01352156503-01352196202- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019800.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01352138327-01352159765- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019788.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352138327-01352159765-01352160561- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019793.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01352138327-01352159815- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019789.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352138327-01352159815-01352160154- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019790.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352138327-01352159815-01352160154-01352162023- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019795.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352138327-01352159815-01352160154-01352162023-01352163237- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019796.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352138327-01352159815-01352160154-01352162023-01352192493- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019797.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352138327-01352159815-01352160154-01352162023-01352192493-01352310484- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019843.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352138327-01352159815-01352160154-01352162023-01352192493-01352423463- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019877.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: fallback mode
+</A><A NAME="19877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352149345- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019787.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	synkron-1.6.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352149345-01352160397- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019792.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	synkron-1.6.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352157514- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019786.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	wmbutton-0.7.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352161981- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019794.html">[Mageia-dev] About task-games
+</A><A NAME="19794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352161981-01352310117- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019842.html">[Mageia-dev] About task-games
+</A><A NAME="19842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352161981-01352310117-01352319221- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019846.html">[Mageia-dev] About task-games
+</A><A NAME="19846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352193590- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019799.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release slim-1.3.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352193590-01352241460- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019824.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release slim-1.3.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352193590-01352241460-01352245103- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019826.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release slim-1.3.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352201371- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019801.html">[Mageia-dev] Back to our weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="19801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352201371-01352204704- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019803.html">[Mageia-dev] Back to our weekly meetings
+</A><A NAME="19803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352204180- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019802.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352204180-01352213691- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019810.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01352204180-01352215601- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019815.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352204180-01352215601-01352216503- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019817.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo Pasotti
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01352204180-01352215996- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019816.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo Pasotti
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352204180-01352215996-01352231701- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019820.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352204180-01352215996-01352231701-01352232832- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019821.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6416] Initial commit of Admin	Panel.
+</A><A NAME="19821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352204933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019804.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352204933-01352209760- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019805.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352204933-01352209760-01352213979- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019811.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352204933-01352209760-01352213979-01352214414- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019813.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352204933-01352209760-01352213979-01352214414-01352215195- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019814.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352204933-01352209760-01352213979-01352214414-01352215195-01352217884- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019818.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352204933-01352209760-01352213979-01352214414-01352215195-01352217884-01352219730- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019819.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352204933-01352209760-01352213979-01352214414-01352215195-01352217884-01352219730-01352235716- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019822.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352204933-01352209760-01352213979-01352214414-01352215195-01352217884-01352219730-01352235716-01352239261- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019823.html">[Mageia-dev] Graphical Boot stalled in current cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352210942- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019807.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6418] using yui::YCommandLine only for all, at the moment
+</A><A NAME="19807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352210942-01352213986- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019812.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6418] using yui::YCommandLine only for all, at the moment
+</A><A NAME="19812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352241583- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019825.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center	(SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352241583-01352314582- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019844.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01352241583-01352317760- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019845.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352241583-01352317760-01352368892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019855.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01352241583-01352335502- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019848.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352241583-01352335502-01352366109- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019850.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352241583-01352335502-01352366109-01352367435- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019861.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352241583-01352335502-01352366109-01352368506- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019851.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352241583-01352335502-01352366109-01352368506-01352369006- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019852.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352241583-01352335502-01352366109-01352368506-01352369006-01352386885- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019866.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352241583-01352335502-01352366109-01352368506-01352391315- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019871.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352241583-01352335502-01352366109-01352369016- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019853.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352241583-01352335502-01352366109-01352369016-01352370975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019856.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Trish Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352241583-01352335502-01352366109-01352369016-01352370975-01352371954- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019857.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352241583-01352335502-01352366109-01352369016-01352370975-01352371954-01352386969- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019867.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352241583-01352335502-01352366109-01352369016-01352370975-01352372231- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019858.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352241583-01352335502-01352366109-01352378990- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019860.html">[Mageia-dev] Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352264650- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019827.html">[Mageia-dev] Submit new rpmlint-mageia-policy
+</A><A NAME="19827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352264650-01352280096- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019834.html">[Mageia-dev] Submit new rpmlint-mageia-policy
+</A><A NAME="19834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352276139- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019828.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352276139-01352276599- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019829.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352276139-01352276599-01352276940- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019830.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352276139-01352276599-01352276940-01352278547- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019831.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352276139-01352276599-01352276940-01352278547-01352279276- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019832.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352276139-01352276599-01352276940-01352278547-01352279276-01352279674- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019833.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352276139-01352276599-01352276940-01352278547-01352279276-01352279674-01352284754- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019838.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352276139-01352276599-01352276940-01352278547-01352279276-01352279674-01352284754-01352348877- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019849.html">[Mageia-dev] update failure - file conflict
+</A><A NAME="19849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352281948- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019835.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [PROPOSAL] GNOME Goal for 3.8: No more Python	2
+</A><A NAME="19835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352282521- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019836.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release	flash-player-plugin-11.2.202.251-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352282521-01352287303- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019840.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release	flash-player-plugin-11.2.202.251-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352284213- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019837.html">[Mageia-dev] Admin Panel
+</A><A NAME="19837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352284213-01352286899- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019839.html">[Mageia-dev] Admin Panel
+</A><A NAME="19839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352300316- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019841.html">[Mageia-dev] Ruby 1.9 landing soon
+</A><A NAME="19841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352321475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019847.html">[Mageia-dev] Freeze for alpha3
+</A><A NAME="19847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352370247- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019854.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352370247-01352378886- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019859.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352370247-01352378886-01352383264- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019864.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352370247-01352378886-01352383264-01352419482- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019875.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352379433- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019862.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352380355- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019863.html">[Mageia-dev] 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352380355-01352422551- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019876.html">[Mageia-dev] 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352380355-01352422551-01352424969- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019878.html">[Mageia-dev] 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352380355-01352422551-01352424969-01352451597- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019883.html">[Mageia-dev] 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC).
+</A><A NAME="19883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352384980- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019865.html">[Mageia-dev] faac: decision from the packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="19865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352387813- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019868.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove mysql-workbench packages from	core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="19868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352387813-01352419363- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019874.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove mysql-workbench packages from	core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="19874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352387813-01352419363-01352427913- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019879.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove mysql-workbench packages from	core/updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="19879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352388525- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019869.html">[Mageia-dev] 3rd draft of Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center	about FAAC
+</A><A NAME="19869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352388525-01352390914- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019870.html">[Mageia-dev] 3rd draft of Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center about FAAC
+</A><A NAME="19870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352388525-01352390914-01352391931- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019872.html">[Mageia-dev] 3rd draft of Letter to the Software Freedom Law	Center about FAAC
+</A><A NAME="19872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352408444- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019873.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	liblarch-2.1.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352427368- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019880.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>scsijon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352427368-01352496137- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019889.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352427368-01352496137-01352500142- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019893.html">[Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352443806- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019881.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352443806-01352540478- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019903.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352443806-01352540478-01352545740- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019904.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352443806-01352540478-01352545740-01352553378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019907.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01352443806-01352540478-01352553641- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019908.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="19908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01352443806-01353933716- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020280.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352443806-01353933716-01353934153- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020281.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352443806-01353933716-01353934153-01353937854- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020290.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352443806-01353933716-01353934153-01353937854-01353938948- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020293.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352443806-01353933716-01353934153-01353937854-01353938948-01353939503- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020295.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352443806-01353933716-01353934153-01353937869- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020291.html">[Mageia-dev] Repo down: repository fallback by default...
+</A><A NAME="20291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352451027- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019882.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="19882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352451027-01353017418- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019995.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="19995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352451027-01353017418-01353019621- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019996.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="19996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352451027-01353017418-01353019621-01353020179- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019997.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="19997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352451027-01353017418-01353019621-01353020179-01353025306- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020000.html">[Mageia-dev] On new rpm group
+</A><A NAME="20000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352465776- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019884.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352465776-01352472193- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019885.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01352465776-01352472250- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019886.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01352465776-01352473017- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019887.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352465776-01352473017-01352583635- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019921.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352465776-01352473017-01352583635-01352628898- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019924.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't start LibreOffice since last update
+</A><A NAME="19924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352481821- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019888.html">[Mageia-dev] GPL-compatibility Question: Distributing Binaries of GPLed Programs Which Link Against Non-Free Code
+</A><A NAME="19888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352496373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019890.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6430] Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</A><A NAME="19890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352496463- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019891.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352496463-01352499244- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019892.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352501506- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019894.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352501506-01352504542- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019895.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352501506-01352504542-01352506436- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019896.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352501506-01352504542-01352506436-01352563447- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019911.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352501506-01352504542-01352506436-01352563447-01352567572- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019917.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing sendmail-cf, mutt and whois
+</A><A NAME="19917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352509947- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019897.html">[Mageia-dev] Want to become an apprentice.
+</A><A NAME="19897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352509947-01352513732- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019898.html">[Mageia-dev] Want to become an apprentice.
+</A><A NAME="19898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01352509947-01352539086- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019902.html">[Mageia-dev] Want to become an apprentice.
+</A><A NAME="19902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352523537- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019899.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing signature klines-handbook
+</A><A NAME="19899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352523537-01352526766- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019900.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing signature klines-handbook
+</A><A NAME="19900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352523537-01352526766-01352547981- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019905.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing signature klines-handbook
+</A><A NAME="19905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352537735- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019901.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+</A><A NAME="19901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Raghu Nayak
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352537735-01352564558- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019914.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+</A><A NAME="19914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352551558- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019906.html">[Mageia-dev] I try to pack an existing package.
+</A><A NAME="19906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352558685- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019909.html">[Mageia-dev] recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352558685-01352564366- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019913.html">[Mageia-dev] recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352558685-01352564366-01352566161- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019915.html">[Mageia-dev] recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352558685-01352564366-01352566161-01352567218- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019916.html">[Mageia-dev] recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352558685-01352564366-01352566161-01352567218-01352568817- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019918.html">[Mageia-dev] ignoring drakperm Re: recent change in mageia wiki : calenco draktools
+</A><A NAME="19918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352563340- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019910.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 7575] package request : gig
+</A><A NAME="19910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352563340-01352563775- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019912.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 7575] package request : gig
+</A><A NAME="19912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352572040- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019919.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352572040-01352673994- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019933.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352572040-01352673994-01352674108- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019934.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01352572040-01352673994-01352674699- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019935.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01352572040-01352673994-01352677204- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019936.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb needs to have the rel bumped
+</A><A NAME="19936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352576526- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019920.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+</A><A NAME="19920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Raghu Nayak
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352597902- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019922.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.13-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352597902-01352686410- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019938.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.13-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352597902-01352686410-01352710742- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019941.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.13-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352628761- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019923.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6430] Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</A><A NAME="19923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352628761-01352634531- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019925.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6430] Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</A><A NAME="19925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01352628761-01352635080- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019926.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6430] Do not mix tabs and spaces
+</A><A NAME="19926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352635617- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019927.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	drakx-installer-stage2-14.50-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352635617-01352639482- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019929.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	drakx-installer-stage2-14.50-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352637353- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019928.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6434] Revert commit 6430
+</A><A NAME="19928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352655359- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019930.html">[Mageia-dev] Small project for a Python programmer
+</A><A NAME="19930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>1
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352655359-01352721181- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019953.html">[Mageia-dev] Small project for a Python programmer
+</A><A NAME="19953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352657048- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019931.html">[Mageia-dev] default $PATH after UsrMove
+</A><A NAME="19931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352657048-01352720623- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019950.html">[Mageia-dev] default $PATH after UsrMove
+</A><A NAME="19950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352657048-01352720623-01352842926- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019973.html">[Mageia-dev] default $PATH after UsrMove
+</A><A NAME="19973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352665986- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019932.html">[Mageia-dev] LXDE Power Management in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="19932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352679895- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019937.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352679895-01352726114- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019959.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352679895-01352726114-01352728879- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019961.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352679895-01352726114-01352728879-01352728871- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019962.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352695093- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019939.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name
+</A><A NAME="19939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Raghu Nayak
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352709853- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019940.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352709853-01352714263- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019946.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352709853-01352714263-01352718523- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019948.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352709853-01352714263-01352718523-01352720741- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019951.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01352709853-01352714263-01352720957- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019952.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352709853-01352714263-01352720957-01352757091- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019966.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01352709853-01352714862- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019943.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352709853-01352714862-01352711769- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019945.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352709853-01352714862-01352711769-01352718880- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019947.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352709853-01352714862-01352711769-01352718880-01352722571- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019956.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01352709853-01352714862-01352723983- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019958.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01352709853-01352720427- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019949.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352709853-01352720427-01352722195- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019954.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352709853-01352720427-01352722195-01352722474- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019955.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352711204- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019942.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352711204-01352715163- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019944.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6435] Added a first log viewer	module.
+</A><A NAME="19944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352722569- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019957.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	supertux-0.3.3-39.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352722569-01352731699- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019963.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	supertux-0.3.3-39.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352722569-01352731699-01352736940- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019964.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	supertux-0.3.3-39.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352722569-01352731699-01352736940-01352739031- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019965.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	supertux-0.3.3-39.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352727439- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019960.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] 2 tainted/updates_testing	vlc-2.0.3-2.2.mga2.tainted
+</A><A NAME="19960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352779345- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019967.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352779345-01352780274- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019968.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352779345-01352780274-01352833834- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019970.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352779345-01352780274-01352833834-01352855325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019978.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352779345-01352780274-01352833834-01352855325-01352889755- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019980.html">[Mageia-dev] php threadsafe
+</A><A NAME="19980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352828916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019969.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352828916-01352837750- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019971.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Ciret
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352828916-01352837750-01352837876- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019972.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352828916-01352837750-01352837876-01352845335- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019975.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01352828916-01352837750-01352845285- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019974.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352828916-01352837750-01352845285-01352845756- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019976.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Ciret
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352828916-01352837750-01352845285-01352845756-01352846847- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019977.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352828916-01352837750-01352845285-01352845756-01352966202- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019991.html">[Mageia-dev] HPLIP - Request for testing Mga1 &amp; 2
+</A><A NAME="19991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352855871- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019979.html">[Mageia-dev] Freeze has been removed ?
+</A><A NAME="19979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352855871-01352906525- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019981.html">[Mageia-dev] Freeze has been removed ?
+</A><A NAME="19981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352913294- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019982.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network	settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352913294-01352914923- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019983.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352913294-01352914923-01352925436- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019985.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01352913294-01352914923-01352925823- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019987.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352919316- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019984.html">[Mageia-dev] System policy prevents modification of network	settings for all users
+</A><A NAME="19984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01352925555- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019986.html">[Mageia-dev] digikam updates problem
+</A><A NAME="19986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352925555-01352929636- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019989.html">[Mageia-dev] digikam updates problem
+</A><A NAME="19989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352925555-01352929636-01352929767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019990.html">[Mageia-dev] digikam updates problem
+</A><A NAME="19990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352929603- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019988.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 available
+</A><A NAME="19988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352929603-01353001600- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019993.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 available
+</A><A NAME="19993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01352969386- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019992.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="19992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01352969386-01353030770- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020001.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352969386-01353030770-01353058325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020005.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352969386-01353030770-01353058325-01353116122- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020015.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01352969386-01353030770-01353058325-01353116122-01353160081- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020027.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01352969386-01353032666- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020002.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01352969386-01353032666-01353167404- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020029.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01352969386-01353032666-01353167404-01353170930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020030.html">[Mageia-dev] Package removal request
+</A><A NAME="20030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353008296- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019994.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	grub2-2.0-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353023856- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019998.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="19998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353023856-01353024132- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019999.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="19999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353023856-01353024132-01353106013- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020013.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353023856-01353024132-01353106013-01353137341- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020016.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353023856-01353024132-01353106013-01353137341-01353156692- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020022.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353023856-01353024132-01353106013-01353137341-01353156692-01353156784- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020023.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353023856-01353024132-01353106013-01353137341-01353156692-01353156784-01353157437- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020025.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353023856-01353024132-01353106013-01353137341-01353156692-01353156784-01353157437-01353157619- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020026.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353023856-01353024132-01353106013-01353137341-01353161737- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020028.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353023856-01353024132-01353106013-01353137341-01353161737-01353620789- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020176.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.9.3 is landing
+</A><A NAME="20176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353056103- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020003.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 - testing boot.iso
+</A><A NAME="20003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353056103-01353056814- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020004.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 - testing boot.iso
+</A><A NAME="20004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353056103-01353056814-01353068831- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020006.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 - testing boot.iso
+</A><A NAME="20006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353056103-01353056814-01353068831-01353107971- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020014.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 3 - testing boot.iso
+</A><A NAME="20014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353069774- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020007.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353069774-01353074919- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020008.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01353069774-01353075674- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020009.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353069774-01353075674-01353628056- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020179.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01353069774-01353080834- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020010.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353069774-01353080834-01353103321- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020012.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	totem-3.6.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353099556- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020011.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: GPL-compatibility Question: Distributing Binaries of GPLed Programs Which Link Against Non-Free Code
+</A><A NAME="20011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353145771- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020017.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	urpmi-7.10-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353145771-01353148981- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020020.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	urpmi-7.10-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353146284- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020018.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353146284-01353235082- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020041.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353146284-01353235082-01353238205- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020045.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353146284-01353235082-01353238205-01353241209- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020047.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353146284-01353235082-01353238205-01353241209-01353251377- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020050.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353146284-01353235082-01353238205-01353241209-01353251377-01353337066- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020066.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353146284-01353235082-01353238205-01353241209-01353251377-01353337066-01353348488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020068.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353146284-01353235082-01353238205-01353241209-01353251377-01353337066-01353348488-01353399498- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020081.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353146284-01353235082-01353238205-01353241209-01353251377-01353337066-01353348488-01353399498-01353419254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020096.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken Mageia-Update (Urpmi)
+</A><A NAME="20096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353148853- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020019.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353148853-01353151005- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020021.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353148853-01353151005-01353156775- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020024.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353148853-01353151005-01353156775-01353192771- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020031.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353148853-01353151005-01353156775-01353192771-01353194193- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020034.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319009] update patch
+</A><A NAME="20034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353171561- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020035.html">[Mageia-dev] Please help with Freeswitch
+</A><A NAME="20035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353171561-01353201201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020037.html">[Mageia-dev] Please help with Freeswitch
+</A><A NAME="20037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353171561-01353201201-01353209442- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020038.html">[Mageia-dev] Please help with Freeswitch
+</A><A NAME="20038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353193987- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020032.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353193987-01353194114- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020033.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353196617- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020036.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353196617-01353239014- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020046.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353196617-01353239014-01353243984- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020048.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353196617-01353239014-01353243984-01353250357- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020049.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353196617-01353239014-01353243984-01353250357-01353251685- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020051.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353196617-01353239014-01353243984-01353250357-01353251713- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020052.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353196617-01353239014-01353243984-01353250357-01353251713-01353252492- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020053.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353196617-01353239014-01353243984-01353250357-01353251713-01353252492-01353351441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020070.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353196617-01353239014-01353243984-01353250357-01353251713-01353252492-01353351441-01353352902- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020071.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353196617-01353239014-01353243984-01353250357-01353251713-01353252492-01353351441-01353352902-01353372102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020074.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353196617-01353239014-01353243984-01353250357-01353251713-01353252492-01353351441-01353352902-01353372102-01353431594- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020105.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353196617-01353239014-01353243984-01353250357-01353251713-01353252492-01353351441-01353352902-01353372102-01353431594-01353431762- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020106.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353196617-01353239014-01353243984-01353250357-01353251713-01353252492-01353351441-01353352902-01353372102-01353431594-01353431762-01353438199- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020109.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353196617-01353239014-01353243984-01353250357-01353251713-01353252492-01353351441-01353352902-01353372102-01353431594-01353431762-01353438199-01353438717- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020110.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353196617-01353239014-01353243984-01353250357-01353251713-01353252492-01353351441-01353352902-01353372102-01353431594-01353431762-01353449509- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020115.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353196617-01353239014-01353243984-01353250357-01353251713-01353252492-01353351441-01353352902-01353372102-01353431594-01353431762-01353449509-01353501916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020133.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	libqwt-6.0.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353216453- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020039.html">[Mageia-dev] Please help with Freeswitch
+</A><A NAME="20039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>sardine
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353234340- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020040.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff,	but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353234340-01353235768- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020042.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff,	but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353234340-01353235768-01353236799- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020043.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff, but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353234340-01353235768-01353236799-01353237133- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020044.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff,	but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353234340-01353235768-01353236799-01353237133-01353616306- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020172.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff, but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353234340-01353235768-01353236799-01353237133-01353616306-01353617675- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020173.html">[Mageia-dev] Try to package a new stuff, but fail in compiling process
+</A><A NAME="20173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353253908- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020054.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [319464] fix package name
+</A><A NAME="20054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353256663- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020055.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353256663-01353256821- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020056.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353256663-01353256821-01353261549- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020057.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353256663-01353256821-01353261549-01353262368- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020058.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353256663-01353256821-01353261549-01353262368-01353277039- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020061.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353256663-01353256821-01353261549-01353276971- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020060.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01353256663-01353256821-01353276811- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020059.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353256663-01353256821-01353276811-01353282749- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020062.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353256663-01353256821-01353276811-01353282749-01353283667- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020063.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Upgrading from Mageia 2 via urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353317956- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020064.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazy NFS umount problem: kernel or userspace?
+</A><A NAME="20064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353317956-01353333350- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020065.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazy NFS umount problem: kernel or userspace?
+</A><A NAME="20065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353317956-01353333350-01353340968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020067.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazy NFS umount problem: kernel or userspace?
+</A><A NAME="20067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353317956-01353333350-01353340968-01353358204- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020072.html">[Mageia-dev] Lazy NFS umount problem: kernel or userspace?
+</A><A NAME="20072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353349289- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020069.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353349289-01353373900- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020075.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353349289-01353373900-01353500966- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020130.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353349289-01353373900-01353500966-01353504752- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020134.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353349289-01353373900-01353500966-01353504752-01353505171- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020135.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353349289-01353373900-01353500966-01353504752-01353505171-01353505572- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020136.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353349289-01353373900-01353500966-01353504752-01353505171-01353509431- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020138.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353349289-01353373900-01353500966-01353504752-01353505171-01353509431-01353511573- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020139.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353349289-01353373900-01353500966-01353504752-01353505171-01353509431-01353573301- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020160.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353349289-01353373900-01353500966-01353504752-01353505171-01353524678- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020142.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353349289-01353373900-01353500966-01353504752-01353505171-01353530766- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020150.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01353349289-01353373900-01353573811- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020161.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01353349289-01353403309- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020082.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353349289-01353403309-01353501080- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020132.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with Totem packages?
+</A><A NAME="20132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353370029- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020073.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bind-9.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353370029-01353435001- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020107.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bind-9.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353379265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020076.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation license
+</A><A NAME="20076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353379265-01353384677- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020077.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353379265-01353384677-01353390884- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020079.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353379265-01353384677-01353390884-01353471633- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020123.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353379265-01353384677-01353390884-01353471633-01353472275- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020124.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353379265-01353384677-01353390884-01353471633-01353472275-01353585090- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020166.html">[Mageia-dev] Question about mysql-workbench documentation	license
+</A><A NAME="20166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353389441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020078.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353389441-01353414178- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020089.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353389441-01353414178-01353414756- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020092.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353389441-01353414178-01353414756-01353415624- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020094.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353389441-01353414178-01353414756-01353415624-01353418168- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020095.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353389441-01353414178-01353414756-01353415624-01353418168-01353423255- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020098.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353389441-01353414178-01353414756-01353415624-01353418168-01353423255-01353426407- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020100.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353389441-01353414178-01353414756-01353415624-01353418168-01353423255-01353426407-01353427221- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020101.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353389441-01353414178-01353414756-01353415624-01353418168-01353423255-01353426407-01353427221-01353428737- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020102.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353389441-01353414178-01353414756-01353415624-01353418168-01353423255-01353426407-01353427221-01353428737-01353429244- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020103.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353389441-01353414178-01353414756-01353415624-01353418168-01353423255-01353426407-01353427221-01353435359- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020108.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353389441-01353414178-01353414756-01353415624-01353418168-01353423255-01353426407-01353427221-01353435359-01353475972- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020126.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353389441-01353414178-01353414756-01353415624-01353420341- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020097.html">[Mageia-dev] What the hell is wrong with MGA2s	suspend/sleep/hibernate?
+</A><A NAME="20097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353392508- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020080.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	urtconnector-0.9.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353403985- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020083.html">[Mageia-dev] mirror problems (mirror.aarnet.edu.au/mageia)
+</A><A NAME="20083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>scsijon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353403985-01353405822- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020084.html">[Mageia-dev] mirror problems (mirror.aarnet.edu.au/mageia)
+</A><A NAME="20084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353409923- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020085.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353409923-01353411807- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020086.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01353409923-01353411891- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020087.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01353409923-01353414119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020088.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353409923-01353414119-01353414258- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020090.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01353409923-01353414119-01353414664- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020091.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353409923-01353414119-01353414664-01353414818- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020093.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01353409923-01353440941- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020111.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353409923-01353440941-01353474895- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020125.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01353409923-01353505607- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020137.html">[Mageia-dev] Duckduckgo / Mageia browsers
+</A><A NAME="20137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353423953- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020099.html">[Mageia-dev] WiFi Hotspot functionality in KDE
+</A><A NAME="20099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353423953-01353441822- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020114.html">[Mageia-dev] WiFi Hotspot functionality in KDE
+</A><A NAME="20114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353429885- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020104.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353429885-01353441314- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020112.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353429885-01353441314-01353441518- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020113.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353451422- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020116.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths	in testing
+</A><A NAME="20116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353451422-01353458137- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020118.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths in testing
+</A><A NAME="20118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353451422-01353458137-01353459583- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020119.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths in testing
+</A><A NAME="20119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353451422-01353458137-01353459583-01353463052- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020120.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths in testing
+</A><A NAME="20120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01353451422-01353458137-01353484947- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020127.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: shadow-utils &amp; util-linux with new default paths in testing
+</A><A NAME="20127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353452599- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020117.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox and Thunderbird ESR for Mga 3 ?
+</A><A NAME="20117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353452599-01353465346- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020121.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox and Thunderbird ESR for Mga 3 ?
+</A><A NAME="20121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353452599-01353465346-01353471373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020122.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox and Thunderbird ESR for Mga 3 ?
+</A><A NAME="20122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353493769- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020128.html">[Mageia-dev] Not very important require about mail checker.
+</A><A NAME="20128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353493769-01353524533- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020141.html">[Mageia-dev] Not very important require about mail checker.
+</A><A NAME="20141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353493769-01353524533-01353528479- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020146.html">[Mageia-dev] Not very important require about mail checker.
+</A><A NAME="20146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01353493769-01353524533-01353537404- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020151.html">[Mageia-dev] Not very important require about mail checker.
+</A><A NAME="20151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353498539- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020129.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nss-3.14-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353498539-01353501015- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020131.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nss-3.14-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353521598- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020140.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.10 Beta1
+</A><A NAME="20140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353521598-01353618795- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020174.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.10 Beta1
+</A><A NAME="20174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353525924- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020143.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release get-skype-4.1.0.20-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353525924-01353526478- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020145.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release	get-skype-4.1.0.20-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353525924-01353526478-01353527044- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020147.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release get-skype-4.1.0.20-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353525935- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020144.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	apache-2.4.3-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353525935-01353527078- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020148.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	apache-2.4.3-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353525935-01353527078-01353530647- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020149.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release apache-2.4.3-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353527689- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020152.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	freeswitch-1.2.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353528830- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020153.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	freeswitch-1.2.3-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353540218- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020154.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ldetect-lst-0.1.311-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353540218-01353542222- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020156.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ldetect-lst-0.1.311-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353541404- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020155.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="20155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353541404-01353572253- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020159.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="20159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353541404-01353572253-01353579621- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020164.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages (was: Re:	rpmlint)
+</A><A NAME="20164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353541404-01353572253-01353579621-01353581114- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020165.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages
+</A><A NAME="20165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353541404-01353572253-01353579621-01353847480- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020248.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages (was: Re: rpmlint)
+</A><A NAME="20248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353541404-01353572253-01353579621-01353847480-01353876916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020269.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages
+</A><A NAME="20269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353541404-01353572253-01353579621-01353847480-01353876916-01353882627- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020270.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages
+</A><A NAME="20270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353541404-01353572253-01353579621-01353847480-01353876916-01353882627-01353888852- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020273.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding tmpfiles.d support to packages
+</A><A NAME="20273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353544755- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020157.html">[Mageia-dev] USB speaker systems
+</A><A NAME="20157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353544755-01353547917- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020158.html">[Mageia-dev] USB speaker systems
+</A><A NAME="20158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353544755-01353547917-01353577603- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020162.html">[Mageia-dev] USB speaker systems
+</A><A NAME="20162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01353544755-01353547917-01353578850- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020163.html">[Mageia-dev] USB speaker systems
+</A><A NAME="20163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353595539- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020167.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Wood
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353595539-01353598035- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020169.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353595539-01353598035-01353611479- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020171.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353595539-01353598035-01353611479-01353622251- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020178.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353595539-01353598035-01353611479-01353622251-01353683041- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020187.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file,	unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353595539-01353598035-01353611479-01353648739- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020180.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file,	unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01353595539-01353598035-01353920487- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020279.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01353595539-01353602861- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020170.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353595539-01353602861-01353621725- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020177.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01353595539-01353602861-01353711229- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020197.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 8177] rm command can't delete file, unless using the full path for the rm binary &quot;/bin/rm&quot;
+</A><A NAME="20197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353596139- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020168.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6500] make clear those functions are not related to macros
+</A><A NAME="20168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353620151- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020175.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 2234] qmmp, audioplayer
+</A><A NAME="20175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353660403- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020181.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353660403-01353662055- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020182.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353660403-01353662055-01353663431- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020183.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353660403-01353662055-01353663431-01353663899- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020184.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353660403-01353662055-01353663431-01353663899-01353664490- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020185.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01353660403-01353667416- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020186.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01353660403-01353684484- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020188.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353660403-01353684484-01353687178- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020189.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353660403-01353684484-01353687178-01353735417- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020200.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353660403-01353684484-01353687178-01353735417-01353742665- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020201.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353660403-01353684484-01353687178-01353735417-01353742665-01353785929- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020226.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353660403-01353684484-01353687178-01353735417-01353742665-01353785929-01353787184- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020230.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353660403-01353684484-01353687178-01353735417-01353742665-01353785929-01353787184-01353788688- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020234.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353660403-01353684484-01353687178-01353735417-01353742665-01353785929-01353787184-01353788688-01353789528- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020237.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353660403-01353684484-01353687178-01353735417-01353742665-01353785929-01353787184-01353788688-01353789528-01353851461- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020251.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353660403-01353684484-01353687178-01353735417-01353742665-01353785929-01353787184-01353788688-01353789528-01354026219- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020350.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't win - or, best of both worlds . . .!
+</A><A NAME="20350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353692594- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020190.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353692594-01353706777- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020195.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353692594-01353706777-01353707189- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020196.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353692594-01353706777-01353707189-01353712108- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020198.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353692594-01353706777-01353707189-01353712108-01353778050- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020224.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [321297] imported package nemo
+</A><A NAME="20224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353698797- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020191.html">[Mageia-dev] Locking screen
+</A><A NAME="20191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353700604- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020192.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia] RPM's for OCaml 4.00.1 and associated libs	for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="20192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353701278- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020193.html">[Mageia-dev] Locking screen
+</A><A NAME="20193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353701278-01353851428- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020250.html">[Mageia-dev] Locking screen
+</A><A NAME="20250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353701278-01353851428-01353852226- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020253.html">[Mageia-dev] Locking screen
+</A><A NAME="20253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353703444- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020194.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353703444-01353843858- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020245.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353703444-01353843858-01353845053- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020246.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01353703444-01353843858-01353856744- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020257.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353703444-01353843858-01353856744-01353876425- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020268.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353703444-01353843858-01353856744-01353876425-01353886282- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020272.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353703444-01353843858-01353856744-01353876425-01353886282-01353889121- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020274.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353703444-01353843858-01353856744-01353876425-01353886282-01353889121-01353898949- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020275.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN missing PID dir
+</A><A NAME="20275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353703444-01353843858-01353856744-01353876425-01353886282-01353889121-01353898949-01353937325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020287.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN + auth-user-pass + systemd password agents (was: Re: OpenVPN missing PID dir)
+</A><A NAME="20287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353703444-01353843858-01353856744-01353876425-01353886282-01353889121-01353898949-01353937325-01353943145- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020310.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN + auth-user-pass + systemd password agents
+</A><A NAME="20310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353703444-01353843858-01353856744-01353876425-01353886282-01353889121-01353898949-01353937325-01353943145-01354046010- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020352.html">[Mageia-dev] OpenVPN + auth-user-pass + systemd password agents
+</A><A NAME="20352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353716894- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020199.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353716894-01353774302- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020216.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353716894-01353774302-01353774838- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020217.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353716894-01353774302-01353774838-01353776285- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020219.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01353716894-01353774302-01353790184- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020238.html">[Mageia-dev] Video players
+</A><A NAME="20238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353749182- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020202.html">[Mageia-dev] Add or Modify a Boot Menu Entry - please help write the help text
+</A><A NAME="20202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353758339- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020203.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353758339-01353761429- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020204.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01353758339-01353765985- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020207.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353758339-01353765985-01353771666- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020211.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353758339-01353765985-01353771666-01353773503- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020215.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01353758339-01353768203- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020208.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353758339-01353768203-01353771696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020212.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353758339-01353768203-01353771696-01353772262- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020213.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353758339-01353768203-01353771696-01353772262-01353776100- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020218.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353758339-01353768203-01353771696-01353772262-01353776100-01353776913- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020221.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353758339-01353768203-01353771696-01353772262-01353776100-01353776913-01353777846- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020222.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353758339-01353768203-01353771696-01353772262-01353776100-01353776913-01353777846-01353784145- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020225.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353758339-01353768203-01353771696-01353772262-01353776100-01353776913-01353777846-01353784145-01353786160- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020227.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353758339-01353768203-01353771696-01353772262-01353776100-01353776913-01353777846-01353784145-01353786160-01353786762- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020228.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353758339-01353768203-01353771696-01353772262-01353776100-01353776913-01353777846-01353784145-01353786160-01353786762-01353787141- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020229.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353758339-01353768203-01353771696-01353772262-01353776100-01353776913-01353777846-01353784145-01353786160-01353786762-01353787141-01353787735- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020232.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353758339-01353768203-01353771696-01353772262-01353776100-01353776913-01353777846-01353784145-01353786160-01353786762-01353787141-01353791800- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020240.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353758339-01353768203-01353771696-01353772262-01353776100-01353776913-01353777922- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020223.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01353758339-01353838867- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020244.html">[Mageia-dev] what is this ????
+</A><A NAME="20244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353763236- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020205.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353763236-01353787505- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020231.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020236.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020239.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020243.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020249.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020252.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353855715- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020255.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020265.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020283.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354111708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020375.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354120719- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020380.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354120719-01354208284- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020407.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354120719-01354208284-01354223478- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020413.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354120719-01354208284-01354223478-01354223658- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020414.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354120719-01354208284-01354223478-01354223658-01354223964- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020415.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354120719-01354208284-01354223478-01354223658-01354223964-01354228763- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020419.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354120719-01354208284-01354223478-01354223658-01354223964-01354228763-01354230843- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020420.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354120719-01354208284-01354223478-01354223658-01354223964-01354228763-01354230843-01354232836- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020421.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354120719-01354208284-01354223478-01354223658-01354223964-01354228763-01354230843-01354232836-01354234841- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020422.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354120719-01354208284-01354228501- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020418.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354120719-01354208284-01354228501-01354263307- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020424.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354120719-01354208284-01354228501-01354263307-01354275994- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020430.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354120719-01354208284-01354228501-01354277631- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020431.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354120719-01354208284-01354228501-01354277631-01354278378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020432.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354120719-01354208284-01354228501-01354277631-01354278378-01354280365- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020433.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353763236-01353787505-01353789343-01353790637-01353834249-01353848475-01353852070-01353864141-01353936812-01354120719-01354208284-01354228501-01354277631-01354278378-01354280365-01354310211- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020435.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01353763236-01353787505-01353845134- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020247.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353763996- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020206.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353763996-01353770997- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020210.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353763996-01353770997-01353788219- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020233.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01353763996-01353776408- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020220.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353763996-01353776408-01353788775- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020235.html">[Mageia-dev] Utter frustration
+</A><A NAME="20235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353769131- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020209.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353769131-01353772894- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020214.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353769131-01353772894-01353794285- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020241.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353769131-01353772894-01353794285-01353856546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020256.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353769131-01353772894-01353794285-01353856546-01353859404- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020259.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353769131-01353772894-01353794285-01353856546-01353871750- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020267.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353769131-01353772894-01353794285-01353856546-01353871750-01353885967- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020271.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing	firefox-17.0-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="20271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353817120- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020242.html">[Mageia-dev] The category in file kalgebra.desktop
+</A><A NAME="20242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353852751- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020254.html">[Mageia-dev] Incredibly slow bootup in Cauldron - FYI
+</A><A NAME="20254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353858196- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020258.html">[Mageia-dev] Why no totem-plugin-arte in Mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="20258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353858196-01353859950- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020262.html">[Mageia-dev] Why no totem-plugin-arte in Mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="20262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353858196-01353859950-01353866624- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020266.html">[Mageia-dev] Why no totem-plugin-arte in Mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="20266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353858196-01353859950-01353866624-01353937720- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020288.html">[Mageia-dev] Why no totem-plugin-arte in Mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="20288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353859489- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020260.html">[Mageia-dev] rabbitmq-server build failure
+</A><A NAME="20260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353859489-01353863000- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020263.html">[Mageia-dev] rabbitmq-server build failure
+</A><A NAME="20263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353859595- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020261.html">[Mageia-dev] couchdb packaging
+</A><A NAME="20261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353859595-01353863718- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020264.html">[Mageia-dev] couchdb packaging
+</A><A NAME="20264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353918556- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020276.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	timidity-patch-freepats-20060219-15.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353918809- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020277.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.4.9-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353918809-01353919247- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020278.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.4.9-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353936192- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020282.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon uploaded
+</A><A NAME="20282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353936192-01353937314- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020286.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon uploaded
+</A><A NAME="20286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353936921- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020284.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon uploaded
+</A><A NAME="20284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353937097- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020285.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353937097-01353939085- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020294.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353937097-01353939085-01353940382- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020297.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353937097-01353939085-01353940382-01353940597- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020298.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353937097-01353939085-01353940382-01353940597-01353940973- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020299.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01353937097-01353942587- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020307.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353937871- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020289.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353937871-01353941537- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020303.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353937871-01353941537-01353942516- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020306.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353937871-01353941537-01353942516-01353948894- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020317.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353937871-01353941537-01353942516-01353948894-01353955376- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020322.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailing-list archives and robots
+</A><A NAME="20322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353938851- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020292.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353938851-01353941276- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020300.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353938851-01353941276-01353941668- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020304.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01353938851-01353941540- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020302.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01353938851-01353955937- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020324.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353938851-01353955937-01353956839- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020326.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353939541- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020296.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee will down tonight
+</A><A NAME="20296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01353941383- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020301.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353941383-01353943294- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020311.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01353941383-01353945660- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020314.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01353941383-01353981423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020333.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01353941383-01353987507- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020335.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 85
+</A><A NAME="20335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Lan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353942214- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020305.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353942214-01353942749- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020308.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353942214-01353942749-01354004904- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020340.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01353942214-01353942937- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020309.html">[Mageia-dev] GStreamer packaging (was: Re: rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME)
+</A><A NAME="20309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353942214-01353942937-01354192220- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020406.html">[Mageia-dev] GStreamer packaging (was: Re: rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME)
+</A><A NAME="20406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01353942214-01353948060- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020315.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01353942214-01354177210- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020401.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME
+</A><A NAME="20401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353946183- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020312.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353946183-01353946612- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020313.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01353946183-01353948721- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020316.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353950744- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020318.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	x11-driver-video-ati-7.0.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353950744-01353967709- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020332.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	x11-driver-video-ati-7.0.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353951059- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020319.html">[Mageia-dev]   [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="20319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353951059-01353951273- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020320.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed	title)
+</A><A NAME="20320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353951059-01353951273-01353988699- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020336.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353951059-01353951273-01353988699-01354010474- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020341.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353951059-01353951273-01353988699-01354010474-01354012558- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020343.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01353951059-01353951273-01354057345- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020361.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353951059-01353951273-01354057345-01354187074- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020405.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title)
+</A><A NAME="20405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353954337- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020321.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353954337-01353955683- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020323.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01353954337-01353957491- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020328.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia
+</A><A NAME="20328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353956099- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020325.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello Mageia!!!!
+</A><A NAME="20325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353956099-01354003162- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020337.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello Mageia!!!!
+</A><A NAME="20337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353957063- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020327.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353957063-01354012385- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020342.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="20342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353958120- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020329.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating python-lxml
+</A><A NAME="20329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01353958120-01353961084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020330.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating python-lxml
+</A><A NAME="20330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01353958120-01353961084-01353987091- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020334.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01353958120-01353961084-01353987091-01354003560- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020339.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353958120-01353961084-01353987091-01354003560-01354014260- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020344.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353958120-01353961084-01353987091-01354003560-01354014260-01354015050- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020345.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01353958120-01353961084-01353987091-01354003560-01354014260-01354022990- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020346.html">[Mageia-dev] youri/check (was Re: Updating python-lxml)
+</A><A NAME="20346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01353961816- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020331.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;sell&quot; me Mageia (was: Cinnamon)
+</A><A NAME="20331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01354003480- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020338.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ocaml-xmlm-1.1.1-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01354029356- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020347.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354029356-01354032625- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020349.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="20349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354032606- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020348.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354032606-01354053383- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020354.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01354032606-01354053383-01354053936- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020355.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01354032606-01354053383-01354057734- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020363.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01354032606-01354177563- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020403.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] [RFC] support for deltarpms in urpmi
+</A><A NAME="20403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354042001- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020351.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE Automounting broken again
+</A><A NAME="20351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01354047665- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020353.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd-journal
+</A><A NAME="20353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354047665-01354054238- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020356.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd-journal
+</A><A NAME="20356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01354047665-01354054238-01354055964- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020358.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd-journal
+</A><A NAME="20358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01354047665-01354054238-01354055964-01354056986- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020360.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd-journal
+</A><A NAME="20360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354055313- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020357.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 nonfree/updates_testing	drakx-installer-images-1.75-11.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354055313-01354056377- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020359.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 nonfree/updates_testing	drakx-installer-images-1.75-11.mga2.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="20359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354057473- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020362.html">[Mageia-dev] Qt5 with wayland platform support
+</A><A NAME="20362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrien Guichard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354057473-01354080634- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020365.html">[Mageia-dev] Qt5 with wayland platform support
+</A><A NAME="20365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354062793- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020364.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354062793-01354103047- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020366.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01354062793-01354103047-01354107919- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020370.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01354062793-01354103047-01354107919-01354108627- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020372.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01354062793-01354103047-01354107919-01354108627-01354108997- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020373.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01354062793-01354103047-01354107919-01354108627-01354108997-01354109585- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020374.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01354062793-01354103047-01354107919-01354108627-01354108997-01354109585-01354119936- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020379.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01354062793-01354103047-01354107919-01354108627-01354108997-01354109585-01354119936-01354139657- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020397.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01354062793-01354103047-01354107919-01354112100- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020376.html">[Mageia-dev] NetworkManager vs initscripts
+</A><A NAME="20376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354105307- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020367.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar	invite
+</A><A NAME="20367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354105307-01354105870- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020368.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01354105307-01354105870-01354106356- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020369.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01354105307-01354105870-01354106356-01354108471- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020371.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a	calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01354105307-01354105870-01354106356-01354108471-01354119799- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020378.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01354105307-01354105870-01354106356-01354108471-01354119799-01354131638- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020388.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01354105307-01354105870-01354106356-01354108471-01354119799-01354131638-01354177424- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020402.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01354105307-01354105870-01354106356-01354108471-01354119799-01354131638-01354177424-01354181962- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020404.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution segfaults when trying to confirm a calendar invite
+</A><A NAME="20404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354119627- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020377.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ocaml-xtmpl-0.3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354119627-01354127988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020383.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ocaml-xtmpl-0.3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01354119627-01354127988-01354129005- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020384.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ocaml-xtmpl-0.3-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354121598- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020381.html">[Mageia-dev] forkbomb protection
+</A><A NAME="20381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354121598-01354125605- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020382.html">[Mageia-dev] forkbomb protection
+</A><A NAME="20382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01354121598-01354125605-01354130625- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020387.html">[Mageia-dev] forkbomb protection
+</A><A NAME="20387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354130015- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020385.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354130015-01354130251- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020386.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01354130015-01354132667- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020390.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01354130015-01354132667-01354141298- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020398.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01354130015-01354132667-01354141298-01354142941- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020400.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 8230] Too short timeout
+</A><A NAME="20400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354131730- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020389.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	fluidsynth-1.1.5-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="20389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01354132798- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020391.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354132798-01354133468- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020392.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01354132798-01354133468-01354134591- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020393.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01354132798-01354133468-01354134591-01354134931- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020394.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01354132798-01354133468-01354134591-01354134931-01354135369- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020395.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01354132798-01354133468-01354134591-01354134931-01354135369-01354137436- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020396.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01354132798-01354133468-01354134591-01354134931-01354135369-01354137436-01354141310- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020399.html">[Mageia-dev] cauldron state, and dependencies handling
+</A><A NAME="20399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354209174- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020408.html">[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus
+</A><A NAME="20408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354209174-01354212548- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020410.html">[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus
+</A><A NAME="20410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01354209174-01354212548-01354216455- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020412.html">[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus
+</A><A NAME="20412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01354209174-01354212548-01354216455-01354305390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020434.html">[Mageia-dev] Regression in menus
+</A><A NAME="20434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354212285- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020409.html">[Mageia-dev] Automated rebuild test
+</A><A NAME="20409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354212285-01354215192- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020411.html">[Mageia-dev] Automated rebuild test
+</A><A NAME="20411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01354212285-01354215192-01354256614- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020423.html">[Mageia-dev] Automated rebuild test
+</A><A NAME="20423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01354212285-01354215192-01354256614-01354266980- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020428.html">[Mageia-dev] Automated rebuild test
+</A><A NAME="20428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354225595- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020416.html">[Mageia-dev] is iurt usable in MGA2?
+</A><A NAME="20416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354225595-01354227422- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020417.html">[Mageia-dev] is iurt usable in MGA2?
+</A><A NAME="20417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354263464- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020425.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron tainted/updates_testing	libxcb-1.9-1.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="20425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354263464-01354263993- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020426.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron tainted/updates_testing libxcb-1.9-1.mga3.tainted
+</A><A NAME="20426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354264641- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020427.html">[Mageia-dev] libtunepimp and kid3
+</A><A NAME="20427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>G&#246;tz Waschk
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354264641-01354267710- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020429.html">[Mageia-dev] libtunepimp and kid3
+</A><A NAME="20429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354313161- -->
+<LI><A HREF="020436.html">[Mageia-dev] Push request for drakx-installer-stage2
+</A><A NAME="20436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo Pasotti
+</I>
+
+    </ul>
+    <p>
+      <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> 
+       <i>Fri Nov 30 23:06:01 CET 2012</i><br>
+    <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Nov 30 23:06:09 CET 2012</i>
+    <p>
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