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+ <B>Joseph Wang</B>
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+<PRE>On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:51 PM, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-request at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hmm, have you missed that there will be no Cinnamon in Mageia repos?
+</I>&gt;<i> Part of packagers &quot;job&quot; is to keep eye on the dev ml.
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+Maybe I'll stay on for another day or so. I've been using Mageia/Mandriva
+for years,
+and so I'll keep it on my disk for another two or three days.
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+Let me tell you about my day. I go to work, I work for 12 hours a day. I
+come
+home. On a good day, I have maybe an hour or two to work on my hobby.
+I might have a few hours to work on weekends. But I have a *job* and
+*kids*.
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+I find coding relaxing. I find packaging relaxing and educational. I've
+actually
+learned a lot about rpm. I've also learned a lot about how cinnamon works.
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+But I have a *job*. Here I'm a volunteer. I got cinnamon working for my
+own
+amusement. if I have to spend lots of time keeping track of e-mail
+discussions,
+then I'm just not going to have the time to do anything &quot;real.&quot; I find
+coding *fun*.
+I find office politics and taking orders *not fun*.
+
+And I've been quiet, because I'm a newbie. I keep my mouth shut, and watch
+what's going on before I say anything. If I feel like I fit in, I stay.
+If not, I don't.
+
+I have a dozen or so packages in the queue. I've been working with the
+Fedora
+to get a python to rpm conversion script working, and I have about a dozen
+python packages that are ready to be uploaded. I'm interested in creating
+a first
+rate platform for astronomy. I've got ds9 working. I've packaged glamor,
+and I've
+gotten an open source ati driver working for Radeonsi. I want to start
+packaging heavy duty astrophysics code on Mageia.
+
+If you find this useful. Then take it. If not, I'll find somewhere else.
+Say thank you
+and smile at me, and I'm a sucker, and I'll keep doing it.
+
+But remember I have a *job*. If this starts feeling like *work* then
+there's no
+reason for me to be here. I'll put up with some politics if it means
+getting something
+useful done in the end, and I'll spend a lot of time if I learn something,
+but my
+time is precious, and I could have been spending the last hour trying to
+get some
+more themes packaged rather than writing useless e-mail (and I hate e-mail,
+I get enough of this non-sense at work).
+
+I've been using Mageia/Mandriva for years, so I'll wait a few days before
+wiping
+my disk to see how people react. I'll keep packaging and debugging stuff.
+I
+*will* work on cinnamon, because I think it's a cool desktop. There is one
+major
+bug, that I'd like to help fix. You can't tell me to stop working on
+cinnamon.
+
+You can keep cinnamon out of the distribution, but that's up to you.....
+
+Also, in case someone wants to have a discussion rather than *ordering* me
+to do something....
+
+I really don't think that cinnamon is ready for Mageia 3. There are some
+pretty
+major bugs in it, and it's not ready for prime time. It would be useful to
+keep it
+in the testing section, and then target it for Mageia 4. I do think it
+would be a
+good idea to at least start looking at alternatives to Gnome 3 since they
+are
+self-destructing, and I've been *extremely* impressed by cinnamon (minus two
+annoying bugs which I'm trying to fix).
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