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+ <B>John Balcaen</B>
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+ <I>Sat Nov 24 20:59:44 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Le 24 nov. 2012 16:39, &quot;Frank Griffin&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 11/24/2012 02:37 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 24/11/2012 05:36, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I haven't tested since, because this was the straw on the camel's back
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that finally got me to pull enough teeth to find out that NM won't work
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in KDE without manual intervention. Once I got NM to work, I never went
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> back.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For those of us still struggling to get wireless to work, can you give
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more details, please? Sorry if you have done so somewhere else and I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> missed it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I understand it, NM needs to parse ifcfg files to an internal format
+</I>before it can work correctly with wireless. I suspect there's a way to do
+this with the NM CLI, but unless you speak NM well (I don't), it isn't
+really obvious.
+
+It's only happening if you choose to not change the default networkmanager
+configuration aka using the ifcfg plugin which means read only support for
+ifcfg files. I'm personally using instead the keyfile plugin (the upstream
+default).
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's easy in GNOME, as GNOME appears to detect that it needs to be done
+</I>and does it silently. So if you have GNOME installed, just log in to it,
+activate the interface from the dropdown at the top right, and log out
+again.
+
+&gt;<i> Otherwise, from KDE, you define the interface with drakconnect (MCC),
+</I>selecting to allow NM to control it. Then install
+plasma-applet-networkmanager (which is not installed by default for KDE
+because NM is not supposed to be the default for wireless yet). John
+Balcaen has posted that you don't need to add it to the panel (you can
+invoke it directly in some way I didn't follow), but before I read that I
+just used the panel toolbox widget &quot;Add Widgets&quot; option, search on
+network&quot;, double-clicked to place it
+&gt;<i> on the panel, and invoked it from there. Just tell it to connect the
+</I>wireless, and the parse should be done automatically.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIRC, John also posted that knetworkmanager (invoked through KDE system
+</I>settings) should do as well, but I'm not sure whether the
+plasma-applet-networkmanager package was still required in that case.
+
+knetworkmanager is just the name of the source rpm and the original binary
+which is long dead...So currently it's just a virtual package pulling the
+plasma applet package.
+
+&gt;<i> Something has probably changed since I did this, since my recollection is
+</I>that the plasma applet showed a choice of interface controllers with NM
+selected by default, and that did the required parse. In current cauldron,
+both the applet and knetworkmanager give me the same display, and neither
+mentions NM, so maybe both the panel icon and the system settings option
+are executing the same thing, and the plasma package was being used under
+the covers.
+
+They're the same thing indeed.
+&gt;<i> I'm a recent refugee to KDE from GNOME3, so there's a lot I don't find
+</I>intuitive.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are two questions for which I don't have answers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once you've caused the parse to be done, you should be good to go for
+</I>wireless on subsequent reboots for that SSID. I'm not sure whether it
+needs to be redone if you switch SSIDs, but the errors you get from NM if
+the parse *hasn't* been done refer to errors in an &quot;ifcfg-rh&quot; which appears
+to be independent of SSID. So maybe it's a one-time thing, or maybe it's a
+one-time-per-SSID thing.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Suggest here: drop all ifcfg configuration files and switch to keyfile
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