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We will not +</I>><i> have Cinnamon. We already have enough environments and not enough +</I>><i> maintainers. And it will cause troubles maintaining different versions. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I volunteer to maintain cinnamon. I've already ported it from fedora. +</I>><i> I did +</I>><i> it because no one told me not to do it. +</I> +Unfortunately this has been discussed a few times in the past on this +list. Your mentor should maybe have highlighted this to you when you +discussed packaging cinnamon with them. They maybe missed these +discussions also however. + +><i> +</I>><i> Please try to follow this. An open source project does not mean anybody +</I>><i> can do whatever he wants. We must keep some kind of logic and stay +</I>><i> realistic given the resources we have at the moment. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There's this thing about not pushing away resources that are being +</I>><i> volunteered. +</I> +This is true, and there is no doubt that we need more resources, but in +this case it could cost more than it gains. We have had issues in the +past of the packages for these alternative DEs causing issues for the +core DEs due to the packages satisfying dep's required by the core packages. + +So while you may have packaged Cinnamon and tested that *it* works, have +you tested it in a repository along with all the other packages we have, +installing e.g. a gnome install and double checking that none of the +cinnamon packages have been pulled in to satisfy deps (incorrectly)? + +Perhaps you have, but the "resources" required to support a new DE is +not simply on the packaging. It's in the QA and it's in the testing of +the fallout to other installs when those packages simply exist in the +repos. This is what often takes the most resources. + +There is a lot more to this than simply making a bunch of packages. + +><i> I've packaged cinnamon because I want to install it on my own machine. I +</I>><i> spent +</I>><i> 10-12 hours a day taking orders from my boss, and working on community +</I>><i> projects +</I>><i> is the way that I relax. If you want to use my work then that's great. +</I>><i> If it turns out +</I>><i> that the X hours that I put into making cinnamon work on mageia is a +</I>><i> waste, then +</I>><i> I'll wipe mageia and install fedora or ubuntu or scientific linux or mint. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have very little tolerance for politics or long winded discussions or +</I>><i> strategy +</I>><i> discussion. I get enough of that in my day job. I've just packaged +</I>><i> cinnamon and +</I>><i> nemo. If someone says thank you, provides some suggestions for fixing +</I>><i> things, +</I>><i> and then takes it, I'll be happy. If not, then I'll wipe my disk and +</I>><i> work on another distro. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So what do you want me to do? +</I> +Well you've clearly put a lot of work into this. While we have decided +in the short term to not support cinnamon, this is not necessarily a +"forever" decision, however at this stage of the release, it's likely +one that will not be able to be reverted until post-mga3, and even then +there is no guarantee. + +All of your work is in Subversion. I'm personally fine if they stay +there and are not svn rm'ed and you can continue to keep them up-to-date +as per your own uses should you wish. + +If you are keen to push this through, then I'm afraid you likely will +have to get involved in discussions about it. + + +Also, if you really do wish to have this supported, then you should +likely keep on packaging and hopefully find some of the many +unmaintained packages to adopt and prove that you will be sticking +around for a while and not abandon maintenance in the future for +whatever reason. + + +Cheers + +Col +-- + +Colin Guthrie +colin(at)mageia.org +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A> +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A> + PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A> + Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="020285.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="020297.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#20294">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#20294">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#20294">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#20294">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |