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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003637.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003637.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..900571348 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003637.html @@ -0,0 +1,145 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8BE1EE.7060008%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003639.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8BE1EE.7060008%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 01:29:34 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003639.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3637">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3637">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3637">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3637">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>JA Magallón a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:41:18 -0400, andre999<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 20:08, Anssi Hannula<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>><i> On 24.03.2011 19:35, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> Summary (from <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy</A>): +</I>>>>>><i> * core: stuff that is not Free/Open Source according to OSI/FSF does +</I>>>>>><i> not belong here. Not even closed-source stuff that we can +</I>>>>>><i> redistribute. So if there is at this time, that's something to fix. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Most of files in kernel-firmware (which is in core) are not OSI/FSF free +</I>>>>><i> (approximate list from 2010 [1]). There was a short thread about that +</I>>>>><i> [2] where I asked the question if they should be moved to non-free due +</I>>>>><i> to them not being OSI/FSF free, and tmb agreed, while pterjan disagreed +</I>>>>><i> (saying BSD without source code (where a portion of the firmware files +</I>>>>><i> in question fall) is eligible for core). +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> [1] <A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php</A> +</I>>>>><i> [2] <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html</A> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Ah right, sorry for overlooking this. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So what do we do? amend core inclusion definition for that? or move +</I>>>><i> these to nonfree? (and at what cost?) topic for next Council meeting +</I>>>><i> to decide? would you like to write a summary for this in +</I>>>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions</A> +</I>>>><i> ? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Romain +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> fwiw, I think the best solution is to have an express policy to include +</I>>><i> such firmware in core. +</I>>><i> Without it, much hardware simply won't work. Firmware/drivers are +</I>>><i> essentially extensions to hardware, so that software can work with them. +</I>>><i> The hardware is changed, and firmware/drivers have to be changed to +</I>>><i> accommodate the hardware. +</I>>><i> These firmware/drivers provide an interface which allows (free) software +</I>>><i> to run. +</I>>><i> A practical solution, which doesn't hurt free software. +</I>>><i> The alternative is (free) software that doesn't run properly. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> my 2 cents :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sincerely, I would be more than happy than nVidia drivers went to core, +</I>><i> but I'm pragmatic. I can understand that moving only firmwares to +</I>><i> core, and leaving nVidia, ATI and other closed source drivers in non-free +</I>><i> can be a compromise solution. It's the difference between losing +</I>><i> 100% functionality of an important piece of hardware/system (network, +</I>><i> for example -now that I read the list in Anssi's mail, 80% of firmwares +</I>><i> in non-free are network- o fiber-channel), or getting a not so performant +</I>><i> system 'cause you dont have the binary drivers for your graphics card +</I>><i> (and I'm not aware of any other binary driver so popular/needed, nVidia +</I>><i> and ATI). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So in short, there are three important pieces of software: +</I>><i> - net/fc/radeon firmwares, mandatory for some free drivers +</I>><i> - nVidia/ATI binary drivers, wanted but optional, not mandatory +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Firmwares and drivers, they are different beasts for me. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And anyways, you already have firmwares in your hardware and in your +</I>><i> kernel which source you can't look at... +</I>><i> And cherry picking firmwares from standard kernel source looks like +</I>><i> madness for me. +</I> +ok. +My though was essentially that firmware is so close to hardware that its +actual free/non-free status shouldn't apply - we should treat it like +(almost) part of the hardware. + +As for the drivers, a little more distant from the hardware, they could +be in non-free, but I sincerely think that they should be on all +installation isos. +That is, on installing from an iso, all hardware-related functions +should (ideally) be fully functional, even if it requires using non-free +drivers. +The lack of some drivers (or components of drivers) can render a system +technically functional, but with important dysfunctions, simply because +the required drivers were not available on installation. +That should not happen. +The kernel, firmware and drivers, built on the hardware, provide a +platform on which the application software runs. +True, it is better if drivers are open source, but in my view, it is +application software where open source is the most important. + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003639.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3637">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3637">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3637">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3637">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003638.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003638.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bd860854a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003638.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20buildsystem%20%3D%3E%20maintainers%20db%20link%20test&In-Reply-To=%3C201103242123.23272.thomas%40btspuhler.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003648.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003643.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test</H1> + <B>Thomas Spuhler</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20buildsystem%20%3D%3E%20maintainers%20db%20link%20test&In-Reply-To=%3C201103242123.23272.thomas%40btspuhler.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test">thomas at btspuhler.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 05:23:22 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003648.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003643.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3638">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3638">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3638">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3638">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:24:44 am Romain d'Alverny wrote: +><i> Cool. Thanks to pterjan and boklm we now have a post on maintdb test +</I>><i> platform on each upload. That will help setting things up further. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 20:45, Maarten Vanraes +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > Op woensdag 23 maart 2011 20:32:42 schreef Michael Scherer: +</I>><i> >> ( nota : xml rpc interface could be a good idea to add later if not on +</I>><i> >> the roadmap ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why not yes. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Personally, i want an app where i can log in, search a package, and grab +</I>><i> > / drop it (last packager could be shown if you have the info anyway...), +</I>><i> > and a link to the bugs of that package, and also a way to show my +</I>><i> > maintained packages. that's it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This whole thing may be a mashup of several apps in the end (profile +</I>><i> page for you, profile page for a package, for a team, etc.), among +</I>><i> which the maintdb is only one piece. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Let's just build the minimal set needed for now for maintainer/package +</I>><i> association and build from that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Heard comments about having a more straight association between the +</I>><i> actual maintainer and the package (and not considering people pushing +</I>><i> a rebuild as a co-maintainer). Will see how to manage that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Any other point? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I>Let's start to get this running. +-- +Thomas +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003648.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003643.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3638">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3638">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3638">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3638">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003639.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003639.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..50188046a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003639.html @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinR3tFdVQccctGQ%2BgFtwxQi-FUf4%2BSmC1b%3D5Byi%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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The same reasoning applies +as for software. And if it's not open source, it's not. Even closed +hardware is an issue in the end (in this regard, the open hardware +movement is still in its infancy but it's promising - and important +too). + +That something is put in nonfree media instead of core shouldn't pose +an irresolvable issue for easyness of installation and use. + +><i> That is, on installing from an iso, all hardware-related functions should +</I>><i> (ideally) be fully functional, even if it requires using non-free drivers. +</I> +You are mixing two things: what goes into core or nonfree, and what +goes onto a shipped ISO. + +The question is not shipping or not ISOs with or without nonfree stuff +on it. Some ISO will host core & nonfree parts of course, for the sake +of convenience for users (that doesn't prevent from informing about +the issues regarding nonfree stuff). But some available ISO ought to +host only core (that is, expected, only FLOSS). + +Romain +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003639.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003641.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3640">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3640">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3640">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3640">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003641.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003641.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..71540b8c7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003641.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C334614603.341301037447585.JavaMail.root%40zimbrastaff-vm1.telkomsa.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003640.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003642.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C334614603.341301037447585.JavaMail.root%40zimbrastaff-vm1.telkomsa.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 08:17:27 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003640.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003642.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3641">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3641">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3641">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3641">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +----- "andre999" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: + + +><i> ok. +</I>><i> My though was essentially that firmware is so close to hardware that +</I>><i> its +</I>><i> actual free/non-free status shouldn't apply - we should treat it like +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (almost) part of the hardware. +</I> +I would agree, but some people wouldn't. + +><i> As for the drivers, a little more distant from the hardware, they +</I>><i> could +</I>><i> be in non-free, but I sincerely think that they should be on all +</I>><i> installation isos. +</I> +I wouldn't say "all". + +><i> That is, on installing from an iso, all hardware-related functions +</I>><i> should (ideally) be fully functional, even if it requires using +</I>><i> non-free +</I>><i> drivers. +</I> +IMHO, not without informing the user, so that they have the choice (e.g. to consider replacing the hardware by something supported by free software => supporting vendors who support free software). + +><i> The lack of some drivers (or components of drivers) can render a +</I>><i> system +</I>><i> technically functional, but with important dysfunctions, simply +</I>><i> because +</I>><i> the required drivers were not available on installation. +</I>><i> That should not happen. +</I> +IMHO, that is not *our* choice to make for the user. + +><i> The kernel, firmware and drivers, built on the hardware, provide a +</I>><i> platform on which the application software runs. +</I>><i> True, it is better if drivers are open source, but in my view, it is +</I>><i> application software where open source is the most important. +</I> +But, that is *your* view. + +IMHO, some of these questions should be posed to the community. + +For example, maybe we should brand ISO releases as something like "Mageia Libre" and "Mageia Gratis" (note, not a "Mageia" and "Mageia limited" or similar, give equal standing to both releases), where Libre would include no non-free software of any kind on the media, users using Libre would never be prompted about non-free software (without opting in, by e.g. installing a different release package). Gratis would include non-free software/firmware required to enable hardware or specific hardware features. + +I think it may be worthwhile catering to users who would like to follow FSF Free distribution guidelines as closely as possible, by providing a release that is as close as practically possible to these guidelines (but still making it possible for pragmatic users to have a good experience). + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003640.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003642.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3641">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3641">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3641">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3641">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003642.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003642.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..76f6f064a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003642.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vsv2lnsfn7mcit%40hodgins.homeip.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003641.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003682.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>David W. Hodgins</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vsv2lnsfn7mcit%40hodgins.homeip.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">davidwhodgins at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 08:47:37 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003641.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003682.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3642">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3642">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3642">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3642">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 03:17:27 -0400, Buchan Milne <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net</A>> wrote: + +><i> But, that is *your* view. +</I>><i> IMHO, some of these questions should be posed to the community. +</I> +My opinion, is that the there must be an iso that includes +everything needed to install a basic system, and get updates +or other software. + +If the network will not be accessible without jumping through +hoops, then the distro will devolve into one only used by +people willing to jump through those hoops. I doubt most +people are willing. + +If the network cannot be accessed after (or while) installing +the system, without jumping through hoops, who is going to +bother trying to use it? + +Put the non-free (should be renamed to closed-source, or +something more explanatory) in a separate directory on the iso, +and give the installer the choice of using it. + +Whether or not the default should be to include it or not is +open for discussion. In My opinion, it should be an opt-out, +not an opt-in. + +Regards, Dave Hodgins +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003641.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003682.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3642">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3642">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3642">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3642">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003643.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003643.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..85f4a967f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003643.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C239b.4d8c49e0%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003638.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003644.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C239b.4d8c49e0%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 08:53:05 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003638.html">[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003644.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3643">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3643">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3643">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3643">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Ok, can we get back on topic? + +Is there any compelling reason why we cannot reenable qt3-devel in the qt3 +source package that is ALREADY part of Mageia? + +If not then I want to reenable it. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003638.html">[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003644.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3643">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3643">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3643">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3643">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003644.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003644.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bbd9cdf30 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003644.html @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimk7-7j%2BBf8Jifb5nTHyogUbFZUC_GE%2B6dNmoOR%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003643.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003645.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Dexter Morgan</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimk7-7j%2BBf8Jifb5nTHyogUbFZUC_GE%2B6dNmoOR%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">dmorganec at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 09:15:48 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003643.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003645.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3644">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3644">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3644">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3644">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ok, can we get back on topic? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Is there any compelling reason why we cannot reenable qt3-devel in the qt3 +</I>><i> source package that is ALREADY part of Mageia? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If not then I want to reenable it. +</I> +Work on TDE on your side first, we won't reenable this old, +deprecated, unmaintened package is nothing really need it. +Reenable it locally for you, do all your work on TDE and then when you +will have fullfilled and pre required we will be able to start to +discuss about TDE. +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003643.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003645.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3644">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3644">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3644">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3644">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003645.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003645.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6327c1339 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003645.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C239f.4d8c50a7%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003644.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003651.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C239f.4d8c50a7%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 09:22:00 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003644.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003651.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3645">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3645">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3645">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3645">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Dexter Morgan wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 09:15 + +><i> > Is there any compelling reason why we cannot reenable qt3-devel in +</I>><i> > the qt3 +</I>><i> > source package that is ALREADY part of Mageia? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > If not then I want to reenable it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Work on TDE on your side first, we won't reenable this old, +</I>><i> deprecated, unmaintened package is nothing really need it. +</I>><i> Reenable it locally for you, do all your work on TDE and then when you +</I>><i> will have fullfilled and pre required we will be able to start to +</I>><i> discuss about TDE. +</I> +Dexter, you didn't really answer my question, I will work on TDE by myself +but my question is about if there is any COMPELLING REASON NOT TO REENABLE +QT3-devel. + +QT3 is ALREADY included in Mageia so reenabling the devel package does not +make any difference whatsoever to Mageia. + +I didn't start this thread to discuss about TDE, but purely for qt3-devel. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003644.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003651.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3645">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3645">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3645">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3645">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003646.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003646.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..58ffd3665 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003646.html @@ -0,0 +1,183 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C100088938.601301041436900.JavaMail.root%40zimbrastaff-vm1.telkomsa.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003705.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003649.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C100088938.601301041436900.JavaMail.root%40zimbrastaff-vm1.telkomsa.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 09:23:56 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003705.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003649.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3646">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3646">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3646">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3646">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +----- "andre999" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: + +><i> Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > 2011/3/24 Olivier Blin<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>>: +</I>><i> >> Thorsten van Lil<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>> writes: +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >>> Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: +</I>><i> >>>> 2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> >>>>> On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>> +</I>><i> wrote: +</I>><i> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad +</I>><i> Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> >>>>>>> +</I>><i> >>>>>>> Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free +</I>><i> firmware? +</I>><i> >>>>>> +</I>><i> >>>>>> No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free" dvd +</I>><i> iso, +</I>><i> >>>>>> and this question is i think interesting. +</I>><i> >>>>>> +</I>><i> >>>> A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a +</I>><i> non-free +</I>><i> >>>> "driver cd ISO" which they could include in the installation +</I>><i> process. +</I>><i> >>>> +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> What about a DVD including non-free packages but has the option to +</I>><i> not +</I>><i> >>> install them? +</I>><i> >>> I think the majority of the users don't care that much about +</I>><i> >>> proprietary issues, they just need them for using there wireless +</I>><i> card +</I>><i> >>> or graphic card. Those how do care can just uncheck the non-free +</I>><i> part +</I>><i> >>> of the DVD. :) +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Yep, it could just be an option. The desktop selection step seems +</I>><i> to be a +</I>><i> >> good place in the installer to include it, it is visible enough, +</I>><i> and +</I>><i> >> right before packages installation. Though it would have to be +</I>><i> renamed. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> We could have a checkbox "Install proprietary drivers if needed +</I>><i> >> (non-free software)", ticked by default. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> perfect solution :) +</I> +Maybe for you. Maybe for me. But, the *real* question is, would this discourage some of our target market from using our distribution. + +IOW, we *must* get community input (after documenting some proposals). + +><i> > Are you aware that this would mean that Mageia is not a "free +</I>><i> > distribution" as planned? No matter how you phrase the question and +</I>><i> > how many checkboxes a user would have to check, if non-free +</I>><i> contents +</I>><i> > is included in an ISO it is not a free ISO anymore. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mageia the distribution includes non-free software. We are talking +</I>><i> about what we include on the ISO. +</I>><i> If users want to exclude installing any non-free packages, this +</I>><i> check-box solution solves the problem nicely. +</I> +Depends on what guidelines you follow. E.g., some might say there shouldn't be a checkbox at all. Some might say the checkbox should be disabled by default. Some might say that there should be no non-free software on the default media. + +><i> So users that want to ensure that their installation works "out of the +</I>><i> +</I>><i> box" will be satisfied. +</I>><i> And purists that don't mind some things not working, can avoid +</I>><i> installing non-free drivers. +</I> +"Can avoid" and "guaranteed to never occur" are not the same, and some users may want the latter. + +><i> Sounds like a win-win solution to me :) +</I> +But, again, this is subjective, you are presenting your preference, and yours may not be the only one we should cater to. + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003705.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003649.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3646">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3646">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3646">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3646">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003647.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003647.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3852e14d5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003647.html @@ -0,0 +1,142 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C197017520.631301041700364.JavaMail.root%40zimbrastaff-vm1.telkomsa.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003649.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003650.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C197017520.631301041700364.JavaMail.root%40zimbrastaff-vm1.telkomsa.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 09:28:20 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003649.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003650.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3647">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3647">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3647">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3647">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +----- "Maarten Vanraes" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>> wrote: + +><i> Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 11:18:03 schreef Olivier Blin: +</I>><i> > Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> writes: +</I>><i> > >>> It can't be "free" and have "non-free" firmware... previously +</I>><i> the +</I>><i> > >>> firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has +</I>><i> been +</I>><i> > >>> changed in that regard (i.e. I didn't see the matter get +</I>><i> discussed +</I>><i> > >>> yet). +</I>><i> > >> +</I>><i> > >> They were also on the PowerPack images, and they are installed +</I>><i> > >> automatically over a network install +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > But to be installed via network you have to have a network +</I>><i> connection +</I>><i> > > first, n'est-ce pas? +</I>><i> > > That's what this thread is about. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > It is now also about "in which media should we include non-free +</I>><i> > packages?" :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> no, about if they are really non-free... stuff released as BSD is free +</I>><i> in my +</I>><i> book. if they don't comply, they could be sued for all i care, but +</I>><i> it's still +</I>><i> free. +</I> +Well, even if they say the source code is BSD, if: +1)The source is not provided (under a free license) +2)The source can't be compiled with a free toolchain +then it is non-free, and most likely the license is wrong, and they have chosen to relicense from BSD to a proprietary licence (which BSD of course allows). + +Compare e.g. Darwin and Mac OS X. Since Mac OS X is has some originally BSD source code, must Apple provide me with complete Mac OS X source code? If they don't, do I have grounds to sue? No. Is it Free? Most definitely not. + +Regards, +Buchan + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003649.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003650.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3647">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3647">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3647">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3647">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003648.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003648.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f94ed4d83 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003648.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C23a2.4d8c533e%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003682.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003638.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C23a2.4d8c533e%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 09:33:04 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003682.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003638.html">[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3648">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3648">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3648">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3648">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: andr55 wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 01:29 + +><i> My though was essentially that firmware is so close to hardware that +</I>><i> its +</I>><i> actual free/non-free status shouldn't apply - we should treat it like +</I>><i> (almost) part of the hardware. +</I> +I agree with that. After all nobody (apart from R. Stallmann) questions the +fact that the BIOS of their PC is non-free or all the other firmware or +microcode on various chips on the motherboard and on expansion cards and +peripherals. + +Firmware belongs into 'core', Nvidia/ATI drivers and the Flash plugin +belong into 'non-free'. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003682.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003638.html">[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3648">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3648">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3648">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3648">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003649.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003649.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fb3b61297 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003649.html @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8C54B4.2010208%40gmx.de%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003646.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003647.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Thorsten van Lil</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8C54B4.2010208%40gmx.de%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">tvl83 at gmx.de + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 09:39:16 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003646.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003647.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3649">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3649">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3649">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3649">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Am 25.03.2011 09:23, schrieb Buchan Milne: +><i> Maybe for you. Maybe for me. But, the*real* question is, would this discourage some of our target market from using our distribution. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> IOW, we*must* get community input (after documenting some proposals). +</I> +Maybe we should postpone this question. +Let us release Mageia1 with two DVDs (one 32bit and one 64bit) and maybe +with a live medium. Mageia1 won't be a big step but tries to be a solid +fundamental for our further work, so no need to make a final decision now. +What about a large survey after Mageia1 which concentrates not only on +Mageia user but the linux community at all (advertise this survey in +linux media/newsprotals). Ask them, what they expect from a distribution +or what they miss (yes I know not an easy task, need of standardized +questions/possible answers). I think that could be really interesting, +which doesn't mean that we have to implement every wish they have. + +Regards, +Thorsten + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003646.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003647.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3649">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3649">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3649">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3649">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003650.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003650.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d0d33400b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003650.html @@ -0,0 +1,137 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C1744564752.701301042468551.JavaMail.root%40zimbrastaff-vm1.telkomsa.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003647.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003679.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C1744564752.701301042468551.JavaMail.root%40zimbrastaff-vm1.telkomsa.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 09:41:08 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003647.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003679.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3650">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3650">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3650">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3650">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +----- "Tux99" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> Quote: andr55 wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 01:29 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > My though was essentially that firmware is so close to hardware +</I>><i> that +</I>><i> > its +</I>><i> > actual free/non-free status shouldn't apply - we should treat it +</I>><i> like +</I>><i> > (almost) part of the hardware. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree with that. After all nobody (apart from R. Stallmann) +</I>><i> questions the +</I>><i> fact that the BIOS of their PC is non-free or all the other firmware +</I>><i> or +</I>><i> microcode on various chips on the motherboard and on expansion cards +</I>><i> and +</I>><i> peripherals. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Firmware belongs into 'core', +</I> +You mean, firmware which has an unrestricted distribution licence? + +><i> Nvidia/ATI drivers and the Flash plugin +</I>><i> belong into 'non-free'. +</I> +Actually, for Flash, we need a redistribution license. Has someone contacted Adobe about this? + +Redistribution of Flash without a licence is prohibited[1]. We can apply for a licence to redistribute[2]. + +Regards, +Buchan + +1. <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/products/players/fpsh_faq.html#section-1-5">http://www.adobe.com/products/players/fpsh_faq.html#section-1-5</A> +2. <A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/go/fp_apply_dist">http://www.adobe.com/go/fp_apply_dist</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003647.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003679.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3650">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3650">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3650">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3650">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003651.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003651.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..05a250a57 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003651.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%20successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C9e9ebdb7df12a53af302c5c89301249f%40localhost%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003645.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003652.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>yves at antredugeek.fr</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%20successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C9e9ebdb7df12a53af302c5c89301249f%40localhost%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">yves at antredugeek.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 09:42:44 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003645.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003652.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3651">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3651">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3651">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3651">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, +QT4 is released since 2005, about... 6 years ? +So, why is it usefull to maintain a package that "becomes" depreciated +? + +Imho, Mageia had better to wait for a trinity-qt4-desktop... + +++ +yg +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003645.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003652.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3651">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3651">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3651">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3651">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003652.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003652.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..80ed39073 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003652.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23a6.4d8c5be4%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003651.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003653.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23a6.4d8c5be4%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 10:09:57 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003651.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003653.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3652">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3652">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3652">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3652">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: yves wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 09:42 +---------------------------------------------------- +><i> Hi, +</I>><i> QT4 is released since 2005, about... 6 years ? +</I>><i> So, why is it usefull to maintain a package that "becomes" depreciated +</I>><i> ? +</I> +You are missing the point. QT3 is already part of Mageia and it wasn't me +who added it. All I'm asking is if there is any compelling reason not to +enable qt3-devel in the existing qt3 +source package that is part of Mageia. + +If there isn't any COMPELLING reason, then qt3-devel should be reenabled as +long as someone wishes it. + +What everyone here seems to forget is that a community distro should be +first and foremost about FREEDOM. Freedom to let others enjoy their +preferred software, not ARTIFICIAL RESTRICTIONS imposed by personal +preferences or unnecessarily restrictive ARBITRARY RULES made up along the +way by a few of the core members. + + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003651.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003653.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3652">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3652">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3652">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3652">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003653.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003653.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bb8af7adf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003653.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201103251021.50569.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003652.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003655.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201103251021.50569.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 10:21:50 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003652.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003655.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3653">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3653">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3653">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3653">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Am Freitag 25 März 2011, 10:09:57 schrieb Tux99: +><i> What everyone here seems to forget is that a community distro should be +</I>><i> first and foremost about FREEDOM. Freedom to let others enjoy their +</I>><i> preferred software, not ARTIFICIAL RESTRICTIONS imposed by personal +</I>><i> preferences or unnecessarily restrictive ARBITRARY RULES made up along the +</I>><i> way by a few of the core members. +</I> +Sorry but I can't let that stand as it is. + +A community distro is first and formost about community. Every time one of your +ideas, suggestions, questions is answered by anyone with a "no" you begin to +blame "a few of the core members", no matter how many people said no and who +they were. +You just have to accept that in a community project like mageia there is a +decission structure ( see out gouvernance model at +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org</A>). +So there isn't a secret inner circle of dictators who tell the other what to +do and what not to do, it's an open structure in which everyone can +participate. But if the majority of people take a decision, you just have to +accept it. +If anyone just does what he thinks is best, we won't have a community project, +we will have anarchy. + +Perhaps you should consider that and stop writing unfounded accusations in +capital letters, like you did here. + +Just my 2 cents... + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003652.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003655.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3653">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3653">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3653">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3653">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003654.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003654.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fda50a724 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003654.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikR_pK6UwAzKY06knYcgkP5vXT5BM%2BctRUkN-w6%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003655.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003657.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikR_pK6UwAzKY06knYcgkP5vXT5BM%2BctRUkN-w6%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 10:30:44 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003655.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003657.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3654">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3654">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3654">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3654">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:09, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> You are missing the point. QT3 is already part of Mageia and it wasn't me +</I>><i> who added it. All I'm asking is if there is any compelling reason not to +</I>><i> enable qt3-devel in the existing qt3 source package that is part of Mageia. +</I> +Then ask the qt3 maintainer - and as long as you don't expect to give +a hand in this maintaince, live by her/his answer (if it's only about +qt3). + +And if you're not satisfied with the recommandations/answers you got +from there, just push the topic as a clear question to a next coming +Council meeting to decide on this and you'll see (but it's likely the +Council will stand by the maintainer recommandation, unless there's +really something big at stake on the contrary). + +><i> If there isn't any COMPELLING reason, then qt3-devel should be reenabled as +</I>><i> long as someone wishes it. +</I> +If it's deprecated stuff, is there any compeling reason to reenable a +devel package of it. And if someone wishes it back, and the +maintainers thinks it's not worth it (too old, deprecated, unstable, +complex, unclear, not the plan), the maintainer has the hand (so one +can become the maintainer if it's really needed for her). + +><i> What everyone here seems to forget is that a community distro should be +</I>><i> first and foremost about FREEDOM. Freedom to let others enjoy their +</I>><i> preferred software, not ARTIFICIAL RESTRICTIONS imposed by personal +</I>><i> preferences or unnecessarily restrictive ARBITRARY RULES made up along the +</I>><i> way by a few of the core members. +</I> +Wait. What you seem to forget is that this is not only about rights +but too about duties. The "freedom" above comes from people that take +their time to craft and package things, so they are verily in their +right and duty to make choices - documented, discussed, agreed. And +it's not because just one or two people argue and argue the contrary +that the maintainer should ... "obey". See above posts, we've been +several to suggest you a more practical path for everyone. + +That choices made here in this project do/will not satisfy everyone is +plain obvious. Those choices don't prevent one from reverting them on +ones end, demonstrate they are worth it in the project main line, and +have them integrated. + + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003655.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003657.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3654">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3654">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3654">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3654">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003655.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003655.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cf6780307 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003655.html @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23aa.4d8c6126%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003653.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003654.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23aa.4d8c6126%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 10:32:23 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003653.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003654.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3655">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3655">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3655">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3655">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Oliver Burger wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:21 + +><i> A community distro is first and formost about community. Every time one +</I>><i> of your +</I>><i> ideas, suggestions, questions is answered by anyone with a "no" you +</I>><i> begin to +</I>><i> blame "a few of the core members", no matter how many people said no +</I>><i> and who +</I>><i> they were. +</I> +You completely missed the point. + + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003653.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003654.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3655">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3655">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3655">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3655">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003656.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003656.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..92c3ea188 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003656.html @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8C612F.70105%40free.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003697.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003658.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>xi</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8C612F.70105%40free.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">ctrl.alt.sup at free.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 10:32:31 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003697.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003658.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3656">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3656">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3656">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3656">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE><A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">yves at antredugeek.fr</A> wrote: +><i> Hi, +</I>><i> QT4 is released since 2005, about... 6 years ? +</I>><i> So, why is it usefull to maintain a package that "becomes" depreciated +</I>><i> ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Imho, Mageia had better to wait for a trinity-qt4-desktop... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ++ +</I>><i> yg +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Hi, + +Last realease of QT3 is _not_ 6 years old but about 3 years old ... + +As always, please don't drop too fast the packages that you find +useless. There are still some users like me who may use QT3. + +I still use some "not so common" applications (eg tools for electronic) +which needs QT3 and it is always much more convenient to simply do a +"urpmi libqt3-devel" than downloading and compiling qt3 ... especially +if libqt3 is already included in Mageia ! + +Thanks, +Xavier +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003697.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003658.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3656">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3656">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3656">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3656">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003657.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003657.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..58dc4c3d6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003657.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23ac.4d8c624f%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003654.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003660.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23ac.4d8c624f%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 10:37:21 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003654.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003660.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3657">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3657">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3657">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3657">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: rdalverny wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:30 + +><i> Wait. What you seem to forget is that this is not only about rights +</I>><i> but too about duties. The "freedom" above comes from people that take +</I>><i> their time to craft and package things, so they are verily in their +</I>><i> right and duty to make choices - documented, discussed, agreed. And +</I>><i> it's not because just one or two people argue and argue the contrary +</I>><i> that the maintainer should ... "obey". +</I> +As a general principle in a community that values freedom anything that +doesn't affect others negatively shouldn't be arbitrarily restricted. +Also I never asked anyone else to do anything, I said I would reenable +qt3-devel unless there is a COMPELLING (i.e. blocking) reason not to do +so. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003654.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003660.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3657">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3657">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3657">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3657">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003658.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003658.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a6641bbd5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003658.html @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23ae.4d8c62ce%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003656.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003705.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23ae.4d8c62ce%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 10:39:28 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003656.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003705.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3658">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3658">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3658">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3658">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: xi wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:32 + +><i> As always, please don't drop too fast the packages that you find +</I>><i> useless. There are still some users like me who may use QT3. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I still use some "not so common" applications (eg tools for electronic) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> which needs QT3 and it is always much more convenient to simply do a +</I>><i> "urpmi libqt3-devel" than downloading and compiling qt3 ... especially +</I>><i> +</I>><i> if libqt3 is already included in Mageia ! +</I> +Exactly my point, thanks Xavier. + +This is about not restricting other people's freedoms. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003656.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003705.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3658">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3658">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3658">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3658">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003659.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003659.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f101ac9f3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003659.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] for when geany in the repos? 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What you seem to forget is that this is not only about rights +</I>>><i> but too about duties. The "freedom" above comes from people that take +</I>>><i> their time to craft and package things, so they are verily in their +</I>>><i> right and duty to make choices - documented, discussed, agreed. And +</I>>><i> it's not because just one or two people argue and argue the contrary +</I>>><i> that the maintainer should ... "obey". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As a general principle in a community that values freedom anything that +</I>><i> doesn't affect others negatively shouldn't be arbitrarily restricted. +</I> +You can't force a maintainer to do something you want and that she +judges not right for her set of packages. At best you can ask a +community (council) decision about that, and that may lead to you (or +someone else) taking the maintainance of the said package. + +If you can't work here by that, or if you are not happy with how +things go here, you are free to discuss this openly with members of +the council or of the board to sort it out. + +Here was only a discussion where you get overly alarmed without any +necessity when people start to answer their views contrary to your +plans. Nowhere was a decision to block you. If you wanted a consensus, +you've seen in this thread what it was; that still doesn't block you +from doing/pushing your changes as long as they don't break anything. +If you wanted a decision, you'd have to formally ask for that the +packagers team, or the council, or the board: that was not done. + +So what are you complaining about? + +><i> Also I never asked anyone else to do anything, I said I would reenable +</I>><i> qt3-devel unless there is a COMPELLING (i.e. blocking) reason not to do +</I>><i> so. +</I> +So why all the fuss? Take the maintainance of the package, make your +changes, submit it and here you are. + +romain +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003657.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003663.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3660">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3660">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3660">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3660">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003661.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003661.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7a7b72537 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003661.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] for when geany in the repos? 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What you seem to forget is that this is not only about rights +</I>><i> > but too about duties. The "freedom" above comes from people that take +</I>><i> > their time to craft and package things, so they are verily in their +</I>><i> > right and duty to make choices - documented, discussed, agreed. And +</I>><i> > it's not because just one or two people argue and argue the contrary +</I>><i> > that the maintainer should ... "obey". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As a general principle in a community that values freedom anything that +</I>><i> doesn't affect others negatively shouldn't be arbitrarily restricted. +</I>><i> Also I never asked anyone else to do anything, I said I would reenable +</I>><i> qt3-devel unless there is a COMPELLING (i.e. blocking) reason not to do +</I>><i> so. +</I> +The COMPELLING reason has already been said. It's because we don't want +to have software built on a deprecated library in the repository. The +only reason that we keep the library and only removed the devel package +is that some external LSB programs could use it, so we need it to be +compatible with LSB. + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003669.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003665.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3662">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3662">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3662">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3662">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003663.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003663.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..897cc5e79 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003663.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23b7.4d8c6f5e%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003660.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003669.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23b7.4d8c6f5e%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 11:33:04 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003660.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003669.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3663">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3663">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3663">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3663">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: rdalverny wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:53 + +><i> You can't force a maintainer to do something you want and that she +</I>><i> judges not right for her set of packages. +</I> +We seem to be having a communication issue. Where did I force a maintainer +to do anything? + +I asked if there is any COMPELLING reason for me not to reenable +qt3-devel. +If there isn't, then of course I will reenable it. + +It wasn't me who then started a long off-topic discussion about imagined or +otherwise risks of TDE. + +><i> If you can't work here by that, or if you are not happy with how +</I>><i> things go here, you are free to discuss this openly with members of +</I>><i> the council or of the board to sort it out. +</I> +Is there a procedure for that somewhere? +I would think such discussions are supposed to happen on the MLs (rather +than in private) and given that board/council members posted in this +thread I would assume that this discussion is happening here. + +Are you saying that the members of the council that posted here in this +thread would give a different answer if I contacted them formally (how?) +as members of the council? + +TBH I didn't even want any grand discussion, to repeat myself I was just +trying to find out if there is anything blocking the reenabling of +qt3-devel. +(I hope this point is finally clear enough by now) + +><i> So why all the fuss? Take the maintainance of the package, make your +</I>><i> changes, submit it and here you are. +</I> +If you re-read the thread you will find that I didn't start "the fuss", in +fact it was started by people expressing fears about TDE and some +board/council members putting preemptive vetos on TDE. + +I have no problem co-maintaining the package (with regards to the devel +side of it) but I'm not aware of any formal procedure to take maintenance +of a package. +Is there such a procedure formalized somewhere? + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003660.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003669.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3663">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3663">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3663">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3663">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003664.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003664.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..031434ffb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003664.html @@ -0,0 +1,116 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Grub version + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Grub%20version&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8C6DE8.9080800%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003661.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003703.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Grub version</H1> + <B>Farfouille</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Grub%20version&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8C6DE8.9080800%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Grub version">farfouille64 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 11:26:48 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003661.html">[Mageia-dev] for when geany in the repos? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003703.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3664">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3664">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3664">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3664">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 21/03/2011 16:10, Stefano Negro a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2011/3/21 Thorsten van Lil <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A> <mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The last time I installed Ubuntu (one year ago, i think) it detected my mandriva installation and set it up in the grub. Nevertheless it doesn't worked and I had to manipulate grub2 according to boot mandriva. But that was/is a known bug in (ubuntus) grub2. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards, +</I>><i> Thorsten +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ok, I will have a look at the bugs in ubuntu and try to understand it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Thanks +</I>><i> Stblack +</I> +I've posted a patch for grub2 about this sometime ago : +<A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566102">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566102</A> + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003661.html">[Mageia-dev] for when geany in the repos? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003703.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3664">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3664">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3664">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3664">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003665.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003665.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b4ca8bacb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003665.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23ba.4d8c70b0%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003662.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003666.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23ba.4d8c70b0%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 11:38:42 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003662.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003666.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3665">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3665">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3665">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3665">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: nicolas vigier wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 11:20 + +><i> The COMPELLING reason has already been said. It's because we don't +</I>><i> want +</I>><i> to have software built on a deprecated library in the repository. +</I> +That is not a compelling reason as Xavier's post showed for example. + +Having a qt3-devel packages does not automatically imply having packages +based on it in the official repos. + +Also is there an official rule somewhere that specifies: + +"because we don't want to have software built on a deprecated library in +the repository" + +or is this simply an arbitrary rule that restricts freedoms of users and +other packagers? + + +In the early days a 'contrib' repo was suggested for not officially +supported packages (I was for that idea too), this would be a good +situation where a 'contrib' repo would solve this matter for everyone. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003662.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003666.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3665">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3665">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3665">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3665">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003666.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003666.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..85320feec --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003666.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C20110325105041.GD21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003665.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003668.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C20110325105041.GD21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 11:50:41 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003665.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003668.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3666">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3666">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3666">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3666">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, Tux99 wrote: + +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Quote: nicolas vigier wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 11:20 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > The COMPELLING reason has already been said. It's because we don't +</I>><i> > want +</I>><i> > to have software built on a deprecated library in the repository. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That is not a compelling reason as Xavier's post showed for example. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Having a qt3-devel packages does not automatically imply having packages +</I>><i> based on it in the official repos. +</I> +Why do you want to have a qt3-devel package on the official repos, if +it's not to have other packages based on it ? + +><i> +</I>><i> Also is there an official rule somewhere that specifies: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "because we don't want to have software built on a deprecated library in +</I>><i> the repository" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> or is this simply an arbitrary rule that restricts freedoms of users and +</I>><i> other packagers? +</I> +Nothing prevent you from building the package on your computer if you +want it. But we don't want it on the repository for the reasons already +explained ... + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003665.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003668.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3666">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3666">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3666">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3666">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003667.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003667.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9824e5cca --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003667.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinDzrFv9Zs5rFps3Bxf1%2BbkaadaBZ9SpnDOqeN9%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003693.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003671.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinDzrFv9Zs5rFps3Bxf1%2BbkaadaBZ9SpnDOqeN9%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 11:56:49 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003693.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003671.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3667">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3667">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3667">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3667">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:38, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> Also is there an official rule somewhere that specifies: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "because we don't want to have software built on a deprecated library in +</I>><i> the repository" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> or is this simply an arbitrary rule that restricts freedoms of users and +</I>><i> other packagers? +</I> +Nothing is always written down on paper. Saying it's arbitrary because +it comes out of packagers' experience is a tad extreme. Saying that +"restricts freedoms of users" is clearly excessive here. Again, it's +not as if it was a closed product: users can open the box and package +stuff too (ah yes, it's not dead obvious to do so, but that's +something we can aim to improve in the coming years). + +What will come out of Mageia, in June, won't satisfy everyone. Choices +will have been done. A choice is arbitrary, always. It always says no +to something. Implying that this would "restrict freedoms of users" +would be laughable at best, offensive at worst, especially since this +is an open source project. + +That's not to say that people will just have to help themselves, we +expect to make something cool and useful, but we're not going to say +"yes!" to everything and everyone either. + +><i> In the early days a 'contrib' repo was suggested for not officially +</I>><i> supported packages (I was for that idea too), this would be a good +</I>><i> situation where a 'contrib' repo would solve this matter for everyone. +</I> +Please open a bug for that if you think it's worth discussing it again. + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003693.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003671.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3667">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3667">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3667">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3667">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003668.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003668.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6b5239ff9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003668.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23be.4d8c75d5%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003666.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003670.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23be.4d8c75d5%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 12:00:38 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003666.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003670.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3668">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3668">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3668">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3668">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: nicolas vigier wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 11:50 + +><i> > Having a qt3-devel packages does not automatically imply having +</I>><i> > packages +</I>><i> > based on it in the official repos. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why do you want to have a qt3-devel package on the official repos, if +</I>><i> it's not to have other packages based on it ? +</I> +Why do you NOT want to have it in the repo? +Does it affect you if it's in the repo? +Did you read Xavier's post? + +><i> Nothing prevent you from building the package on your computer if you +</I>><i> want it. But we don't want it on the repository for the reasons +</I>><i> already +</I>><i> explained ... +</I> +I have only seen arbitrary reasons based on personal preferences, not an +objective compelling reason. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003666.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003670.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3668">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3668">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3668">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3668">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003669.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003669.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9ab5af926 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003669.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimuXj7VGVN1rvw8ZJsJPxaXK0K4_4Jwx_1DmWAL%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003663.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003662.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimuXj7VGVN1rvw8ZJsJPxaXK0K4_4Jwx_1DmWAL%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 12:07:28 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003663.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003662.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3669">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3669">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3669">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3669">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:33, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> Quote: rdalverny wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:53 +</I>>><i> If you can't work here by that, or if you are not happy with how +</I>>><i> things go here, you are free to discuss this openly with members of +</I>>><i> the council or of the board to sort it out. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Is there a procedure for that somewhere? +</I>><i> I would think such discussions are supposed to happen on the MLs (rather +</I>><i> than in private) and given that board/council members posted in this +</I>><i> thread I would assume that this discussion is happening here. +</I> +That's still a discussion, where views and directions are given. No +strict decision. + +Because I'm a board member does not mean that everything I say in any +discussion is a de-facto board view/decision (thankfully). It can hint +about what my views are and how I would express them in a board +meeting; but it doesn't mean that this will necessarily be what I'll +vote for either. + +><i> Are you saying that the members of the council that posted here in this +</I>><i> thread would give a different answer if I contacted them formally (how?) +</I>><i> as members of the council? +</I> +Not necessarily, but it can happen. + +As a reminder: + - council meeting/decisions are made by team representatives, that +express their team's views; + - board meeting/decisions are made by board members, that express +their own views, with consideration given to the council (hence teams) +and community views at large + project objectives & means. + +That does not prevent individual members of each, out of these +instances, to express their own views, without these having the force +of a rule at once (again, thankfully). + +><i> I have no problem co-maintaining the package (with regards to the devel +</I>><i> side of it) but I'm not aware of any formal procedure to take maintenance +</I>><i> of a package. +</I>><i> Is there such a procedure formalized somewhere? 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+</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why do you NOT want to have it in the repo? +</I> +Because we want to be sure that nothing is built on this library. + +And you still didn't explain why you want it, if it's not to build +software based on it. + +><i> I have only seen arbitrary reasons based on personal preferences, not an +</I>><i> objective compelling reason. +</I> +And do you have any objective compelling reason to include qt3-devel, +other than an arbitrary reason based on personal preferences ? + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003668.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003672.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3670">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3670">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3670">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3670">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003671.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003671.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5dc7277a5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003671.html @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23c1.4d8c7907%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003667.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003675.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23c1.4d8c7907%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 12:14:16 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003667.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003675.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3671">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3671">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3671">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3671">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: rdalverny wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 11:56 + +><i> A choice is arbitrary, always. It always says no +</I>><i> to something. Implying that this would "restrict freedoms of users" +</I>><i> would be laughable at best, offensive at worst, especially since this +</I>><i> is an open source project. +</I> +You seem to be confusing different concepts here, just because a project is +based on open source software that doesn't automatically guarantee that the +community based on it is a community that values freedom. +My concerns here are exactly because I'm getting the feeling that freedom +is being unnecessarily restricted in Mageia. + +And no a choice is definitely not always arbitrary. Choices can be forced +by unsurmountable limitations or technical incompatibilities or they can +be arbitrary (i.e. not objectively necessary). + +><i> > In the early days a 'contrib' repo was suggested for not +</I>><i> > officially +</I>><i> > supported packages (I was for that idea too), this would be a good +</I>><i> > situation where a 'contrib' repo would solve this matter for +</I>><i> > everyone. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please open a bug for that if you think it's worth discussing it +</I>><i> again. +</I> +Is that now the procedure for this? + +I would also appreciate it, if you could clarify the procedures with +regards to the council I asked about in my last reply to you. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003667.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003675.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3671">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3671">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3671">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3671">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003672.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003672.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4d57fb2d9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003672.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23c2.4d8c7a0d%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003670.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003673.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23c2.4d8c7a0d%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 12:18:38 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003670.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003673.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3672">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3672">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3672">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3672">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: nicolas vigier wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:08 + +><i> Because we want to be sure that nothing is built on this library. +</I> +So you are arbitrarily making life harder to people like Xavier and +myself. + +><i> And you still didn't explain why you want it, if it's not to build +</I>><i> software based on it. +</I> +Of course I want to build sw based on it, I said so in the first post of +this thread, but that doesn't automatically imply that t this software +will be in the Mageia repos (that's a separate issue). + +><i> And do you have any objective compelling reason to include qt3-devel, +</I>><i> other than an arbitrary reason based on personal preferences ? 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+So i'll repeat myself once more : +-> enable qt3 with devel support on your box +-> patch it (because i expect you want to fix some TDE bugs available in 3.5.12 +& you'll need to patch for TDE from svn > 1214094 +-> compile, test TDE on your computer with a prefix in /usr (&not /opt) +-> if everything is ok, ask for a space online (i can help if it's really +needed for that) to provide TDE in a contrib for more tests +-> & than if it's ok we can start thinking about including some part of it + +Regards, + +-- +Balcaen John +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003680.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003677.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3674">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3674">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3674">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3674">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003675.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003675.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..24e34f484 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003675.html @@ -0,0 +1,131 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimb%2B9gEVfX3j8jLG5t0QHQq6Xqg6MLyXq2k-AtD%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003671.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003676.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimb%2B9gEVfX3j8jLG5t0QHQq6Xqg6MLyXq2k-AtD%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 12:33:18 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003671.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003676.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3675">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3675">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3675">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3675">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:14, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> Quote: rdalverny wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 11:56 +</I>>><i> A choice is arbitrary, always. It always says no +</I>>><i> to something. Implying that this would "restrict freedoms of users" +</I>>><i> would be laughable at best, offensive at worst, especially since this +</I>>><i> is an open source project. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You seem to be confusing different concepts here, just because a project is +</I>><i> based on open source software that doesn't automatically guarantee that the +</I>><i> community based on it is a community that values freedom. +</I> +Re-read our project docs, then (announcement, values, code of conduct). + +And understand that it's not about the freedom of getting all that you +want without consideration for what it is, who makes it, and when and +how. + +><i> My concerns here are exactly because I'm getting the feeling that freedom +</I>><i> is being unnecessarily restricted in Mageia. +</I> +My feeling here is that, even before the technical issues at hand, +your attitude (or at least how it is perceived) is very much the cause +of the crispation. + +You seem to take this whole project as if it was a given to you. When +people object to you based on their experience, you understand that as +an unappropriate preference and don't even seem to listen to what is +proposed. When things appear to you not as you expected them, you look +like ready to dismiss the goodwill of the same people that make this +whole project possible every single day. + +And that taints a lot the points you're trying to make, whatever these +are. Collaboration is not only about facts, desires, opinions. If you +are not able to go along well within the packaging team, only in +discussion, it's unfortunately possible that you won't like it; others +won't like it either. Nothing good will come out of this. + +>><i> Please open a bug for that if you think it's worth discussing it +</I>>><i> again. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Is that now the procedure for this? +</I> +For opening a bug? <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/">https://bugs.mageia.org/</A> => New, and explain the thing. + +><i> I would also appreciate it, if you could clarify the procedures with +</I>><i> regards to the council I asked about in my last reply to you. +</I> +The board/council lists are not setup yet, unfortunately. + +However you may have seen on -discuss that a preparation document is +available for next council meeting; although this coming meeting is +already quite full, you may append your point for the next one. + +And that doesn't prevent from asking clearly here or on discuss that +you want the topic to be reviewed by the council. But even there, you +being an apprentice, I would suggest you: + - first, review this with your mentor; + - second, review this again with the packaging team; + - third, push this to the council if needed (where it will need to +have both sides expose their points, for the record and the decision). + +Cool. And good luck. + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003671.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003676.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3675">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3675">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3675">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3675">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003676.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003676.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cf7832ae9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003676.html @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8C7FE0.7050905%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003675.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003681.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Colin Guthrie</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8C7FE0.7050905%40colin.guthr.ie%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">mageia at colin.guthr.ie + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 12:43:28 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003675.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003681.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3676">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3676">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3676">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3676">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Tux99 at 25/03/11 11:14 did gyre and gimble: +><i> My concerns here are exactly because I'm getting the feeling that freedom +</I>><i> is being unnecessarily restricted in Mageia. +</I> +This is a very, very subjective statement, and I am rather concerned +that it's being used as some kind of leverage here (perhaps include a +picture of a puppy with sad eyes too! :p) + +"Freedom" is in no way restricted. I see absolutely no problem with +compiling a qt3 package yourself with the -devel package enabled if you +want to use it. If you come up with a set of applications that then +build off it that you want to be included in Mageia repos, then I'm sure +this can be discussed at the time. + +Saying that a certain packaging option "restricts freedom" is a +statement I find rather offensive. Nothing is restricted, you simply +have to rebuild things. + +Ahmad disabled gvfs-iphone the other day as it requires a newer (and +apparently less stable) libimobiledevice. Does that "restrict my +freedom"? No, of course it does not. I don't necessarily agree with the +decision and I'll test the stability of the new combo in coming weeks to +see if it can be included officially. This isn't restricting my freedom, +it's just a process I have to go through. This is exactly the same with +your qt3-devel issue. + +Col + + + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>] +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>] + PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>] + Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>] +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003675.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003681.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3676">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3676">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3676">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3676">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003677.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003677.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e0614a3c7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003677.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23c6.4d8c80d9%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Such people are hardly about to be Mageia early-adopters, and +we have some time to discuss how we want to deal with them. + +Eventually, we may agree to offer a merged ISO. Better still, since +anyone falling into the category of needing that much hand-holding is +unlikely to have bought a bare machine and is probably coming from +Windows, maybe we ought to provide a Windows app that checks the +hardware, downloads the needed ISOs to the Windows filesystem (on what +we assume is a working network-enabled system) after suitable prompts to +the user, and then enhance the install to look for them there. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003650.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003683.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3679">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3679">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3679">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3679">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003680.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003680.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..89b436511 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003680.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%0A%09%28KDE%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8C850B.1060401%40free.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003673.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003674.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>xi</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%0A%09%28KDE%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8C850B.1060401%40free.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">ctrl.alt.sup at free.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 13:05:31 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003673.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003674.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3680">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3680">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3680">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3680">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>nicolas vigier wrote: +><i> On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, Tux99 wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Quote: nicolas vigier wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:08 +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Because we want to be sure that nothing is built on this library. +</I>>><i> So you are arbitrarily making life harder to people like Xavier and +</I>>><i> myself. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And you want to arbitrarily make life a lot harder to people who want +</I>><i> to make sure the distribution is not based on obsolete and unmaintained +</I>><i> software. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On the other hand, rebuilding a qt3 package yourself takes a few +</I>><i> minutes. +</I>[...] +><i> You're building other software, but you can't rebuild a qt3 package +</I>><i> yourself ? +</I>><i> +</I> +Sorry but I can't agree here: when I build a software, I like to build +_just_ the software, not the whole system around! (I would use a Gentoo +otherwise). +I loved Mandriva because of this point: it was at the same time simple +to use AND full of resource to build and customize specialized applications. + +If you are on this way, you can also remove QCad*: yes it is old, +unmaintained and based on QT3 - but still the best free 2D drawing +software on Linux ... + +As a user, I still use applications which needs qt3 and with no +equivalent based on QT4 ; so I would like qt3-devel to be included in Mageia + +I can't see the point in not including packages just because they are +unmaintained. They are still used and useful + you have people who want +to package them, so ? + +Thanks for reading me, +Xavier + +* maybe it is already removed from Mageia, I didn't checked. But I think +I can find a lot of other example of obsolete & unmaintained software +but still useful which were in Mandriva (eg xmms). +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003673.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003674.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3680">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3680">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3680">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3680">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003681.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003681.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4b70dea52 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003681.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23cc.4d8c8641%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003676.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003690.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23cc.4d8c8641%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 13:10:42 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003676.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003690.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3681">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3681">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3681">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3681">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Colin Guthrie wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:43 + +><i> "Freedom" is in no way restricted. I see absolutely no problem with +</I>><i> compiling a qt3 package yourself with the -devel package enabled if +</I>><i> you +</I>><i> want to use it. +</I> +But isn't one of the reasons for participating in a community distro, +wanting to share what each of us builds for ourselves? + +And if such sharing is being vetoed preemptively in advance without an +objective reason based on facts but rather based on fears and personal +opinions, isn't that an unnecessary restriction of freedom that doesn't +suit a true community distro? + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003676.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003690.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3681">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3681">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3681">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3681">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003682.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003682.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..895414c87 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003682.html @@ -0,0 +1,142 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C20110325121427.1841ada4%40otfordduckscomputers.co.uk%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Gratis would include non-free +</I>><i> software/firmware required to enable hardware or specific +</I>><i> hardware features. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think it may be worthwhile catering to users who would like to +</I>><i> follow FSF Free distribution guidelines as closely as possible, +</I>><i> by providing a release that is as close as practically possible +</I>><i> to these guidelines (but still making it possible for pragmatic +</I>><i> users to have a good experience). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards, +</I>><i> Buchan +</I> +I particularly like the proposed use of the terms Libre and Gratis. + +My main concern is that newbie Mageia users - those who come direct +from Windows, rather than from another variety of Linux - might +abandon the installation when asked to opt in (or out) of anything +marked 'non-free', mistakenly thinking that they will have to pay +for it. + +-- +Margot +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +**Otford Ducks Computers** +We teach, you learn... +...and, if you don't do your homework, we set the cat on you! +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003642.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003648.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3682">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3682">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3682">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3682">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003683.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003683.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4fc7cea7a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003683.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D_64cXA7YmL%2BQkuFCOm0cv9nRxDNRNtAGxxhZt%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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We proposed you to packaged TDE , get it +reviewed etc etc. +Some of us indeed ask for a Qt4 TDE and not a Qt3 TDE.. + + + +><i> Also this is not really about my ideas as Xavier's post showed, there are +</I>><i> others too that are affected by these arbitrary and unnecessary +</I>><i> limitations (they are probably just less outspoken than I am). +</I>><i> +</I>We started a new distribution and we made choices, one of them was to not +have Qt3 apps. +It's not like we were providing Qt3 & others apps & suddently someone +decides to drop all of them from the distribution... This could be seen as +arbitrary and unnecessary limitations because suddently you can loose +functionnality, here we started *without* thoses because we decided to start +like this. + + + + +-- +Balcaen John +Jabber-Id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A> +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20110325/f6a7666d/attachment-0001.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003678.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003685.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3684">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3684">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3684">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3684">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003685.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003685.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..481947612 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003685.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DCj4MUMNTJ6kQZ62NB-pnhpo12zXTPMrKmKzwP%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Right now I'm quite demotivated to continue with +this since I don't see the point given that it won't be included in the +repos. + +Xavier's post about qt3-devel are also being completely ignored and they +have nothing to do with TDE, but are at least as valid. + +><i> > At this point I don't think there is any chance that TDE ever goes +</I>><i> > into the +</I>><i> > Mageia repos, given the attitudes I have faced here. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> I don't see why. +</I> +Maybe because core members of Mageia have explicitly said they are against +TDE being included in the Mageia repos earlier in this thread? + +><i> We started a new distribution and we made choices, one of them was to +</I>><i> not +</I>><i> have Qt3 apps. +</I> +Who is "we"? I don't recall any debate about this and even less a consensus +being formed in the community. + +><i> It's not like we were providing Qt3 & others apps & suddently someone +</I>><i> decides to drop all of them from the distribution... This could be seen +</I>><i> as +</I>><i> arbitrary and unnecessary limitations because suddently you can loose +</I>><i> functionnality, here we started *without* thoses because we decided to +</I>><i> start +</I>><i> like this. +</I> +Mageia claims to be an upgrade for Mandriva, so yes, this is packages being +dropped and loss of functionality for existing users, see also Xavier's +posts. + +John, please don't get me wrong you and Blino have been some of the few +voices of reason in this thread and I appreciate that. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003711.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003689.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3686">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3686">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3686">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3686">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003687.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003687.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..689213d84 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003687.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23d2.4d8c945d%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003685.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003711.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23d2.4d8c945d%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 14:10:54 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003685.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003711.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3687">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3687">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3687">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3687">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Robert Xu wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 13:53 +---------------------------------------------------- +><i> Hi, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Based on all this conversation here, it is clear that we have gotten +</I>><i> off topic. +</I>><i> My suggestion would be to make a separate repository for Trinity. +</I>><i> Beware, we also updated Qt to version 3.3.8c (just a few minor +</I>><i> changes, no idea if bugs remain) while we finish the porting to Qt4. +</I> +Thanks Robert, I might take up your offer of a repo on the Trinity servers +if I decide to continue to build Trinty packages for Mageia. But right now +I'm a bit demotivated to continue with this and in fact to continue with +Mageia at all. + +Maybe I will rather help you to make some great Trinity packages for +Redhat/Centos since I'm also a Redhat/Centos user, but right now I have to +first make up my mind. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003685.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003711.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3687">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3687">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3687">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3687">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003688.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003688.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c0731d6b3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003688.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinXVkfFfCFf0-vBE%2BPbhfXmLtz5%2BZK9w2EjViD7%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003702.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003694.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Hoyt Duff</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinXVkfFfCFf0-vBE%2BPbhfXmLtz5%2BZK9w2EjViD7%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">hoytduff at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 14:14:49 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003702.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE =?utf-8?q?3=2E5=09successor?=) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003694.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3688">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3688">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3688">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3688">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 3/25/11, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Quote: yves wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 09:42 +</I>><i> ---------------------------------------------------- +</I>>><i> Hi, +</I>>><i> QT4 is released since 2005, about... 6 years ? +</I>>><i> So, why is it usefull to maintain a package that "becomes" depreciated +</I>>><i> ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You are missing the point. QT3 is already part of Mageia and it wasn't me +</I>><i> who added it. All I'm asking is if there is any compelling reason not to +</I>><i> enable qt3-devel in the existing qt3 +</I>><i> source package that is part of Mageia. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If there isn't any COMPELLING reason, then qt3-devel should be reenabled as +</I>><i> long as someone wishes it. +</I>><i> +</I> +You're missing their point. + +I agree, there is no 'compelling reason' not to offer it. The people +doing the work just don't want to because enabling it means they have +to support it. Since Mageia doesn't need it for anything, it makes no +sense to enable it; it consumes scarce resources for no direct +benefit. You are free to re-compile QT3 and enable it yourself, which +is what i suggest. + +But I see your point as well. While Mageia may not need it, legacy +apps may. It would seem to make no sense to deliberately break +compatibility with legacy apps on purpose. Indeed, one of the +strengths of Linux is the ability to support legacy apps. And since +qt3-devel is not a stand-alone package and requires a flip of the +switch to produce when they are compiling qt3 anyway, it seems only +logical to go ahead and produce it too. + +The people who are responsible for making the final decision have +decided not to do it, leaving you with two choices: either re-compile +it yourself to your satisfaction or fork Mageia and make the decisions +for the forked distro. Again, i suggest you just re-compile QT3 for +your personal use and make the -devel.srpm and -devel.rpm available +for others to use. + +You need to move past this issue. + +-- +Hoyt +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003702.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE =?utf-8?q?3=2E5=09successor?=) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003694.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3688">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3688">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3688">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3688">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003689.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003689.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f4cbfadf8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003689.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8C98EC.4040200%40gmx.de%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003686.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003693.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Thorsten van Lil</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8C98EC.4040200%40gmx.de%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">tvl83 at gmx.de + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 14:30:20 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003686.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003693.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3689">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3689">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3689">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3689">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Am 25.03.2011 14:06, schrieb Tux99: + +>>><i> At this point I don't think there is any chance that TDE ever goes +</I>>>><i> into the +</I>>>><i> Mageia repos, given the attitudes I have faced here. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> I don't see why. +</I> +Just let me summarize the whole discussion from my point of view: +There are (at least) 2 users how would be happy to have qt3-devel in the +mageia repos (to compile software more easy on there local machines). +One of them volunteers itself to become the maintainer of this package +and asked if there are any concerns about it. + +Possible concerns are: +qt3 is deprecated and they (mageia developer) don't wont to have +software build on it in the repos, because they don't want the mageia +users to use deprecated software. +-> But both users don't ask for having software which builds on it to +have in the repos. Right? + +One possible concern which gets in my mind is: +To mess the repos with unsophisticated packages which probably is only +used by very few users, which lets the repos grow to much. +-> But I don't think there are many of such packages, that this can be +become acute. + +So, IMHO I don't really get the point why it should be a problem if +Tux99 agrees to maintain this package. + +The whole debate about TDE is something different and shouldn't +influence this discussion. + +Regards, +Thorsten +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003686.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003693.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3689">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3689">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3689">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3689">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003690.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003690.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3af3ecef7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003690.html @@ -0,0 +1,135 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8C9A4F.3040700%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003681.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003691.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Colin Guthrie</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8C9A4F.3040700%40colin.guthr.ie%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">mageia at colin.guthr.ie + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 14:36:15 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003681.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003691.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3690">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3690">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3690">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3690">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Tux99 at 25/03/11 12:10 did gyre and gimble: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Quote: Colin Guthrie wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:43 +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> "Freedom" is in no way restricted. I see absolutely no problem with +</I>>><i> compiling a qt3 package yourself with the -devel package enabled if +</I>>><i> you +</I>>><i> want to use it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But isn't one of the reasons for participating in a community distro, +</I>><i> wanting to share what each of us builds for ourselves? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And if such sharing is being vetoed preemptively in advance without an +</I>><i> objective reason based on facts but rather based on fears and personal +</I>><i> opinions, isn't that an unnecessary restriction of freedom that doesn't +</I>><i> suit a true community distro? +</I> +Compare it to sharing an apartment/house with some friends. + +Do you want the other people to leave their unwashed clothes all over +the laundry room, or unwashed dishes piling up in the kitchen? Or would +you prefer that everyone works together to keep things neat and tidy? + +If you take each individual freedom to it's logical extreme, then +sharing a house would allow for the messiest person in the world to +share space with the tidiest. Each has the right to their own feelings +and ways of being, but in reality such a combination simply wouldn't +work. There has to be middle ground that is reached. That's the whole +point in a community. You cannot expect everyone to automatically agree +with your take on things. It's clear that some people do agree with your +and some don't. This shouldn't be overly surprising. + +Personally I'd rather keep things tidy and not enable things unless +there is a direct need for it (e.g. a dependency). If and when there is +an app that requires qt3 in the official repos, then that is such a dep, +but until then, it makes sense to keep things neat, especially when +rebuilding qt3 with the devel package (and patching it accordingly it +seems) is such a trivial step compared to the relatively massive job of +the TDE itself. If TDE is going to be made available in Mageia directly +then by all means, qt3 will have to be patched and updated accordingly, +but it seems rather pre-emptive to get worried about something that +remains to be proven at the current time. Real reasons are better than +hypothetical ones. + +And if I'm honest, you've referred to other peoples opinions continually +as "non-objective" while I'm pretty sure all the reasons I've seen on +this thread (and my own feelings) are perfectly objective and logical +and I find it rather dismissive that someone should belittle others by +continually stating they are not. They are not non-objective, you just +happen not to agree with them! That's fine, you are perfectly within +your rights to disagree, just don't confuse the two. + +There is a very clear route forward and it's incredibly simple, just +rebuild your own QT3. As said above, if/when the whole of TDM goes into +Mageia, then the "official" qt3 can be adjusted as it's needed. + +It was Donald Knuth who said "Premature optimization is the root of all +evil", and the same can be said of "Speculative Packaging" IMO! + +Col + + + + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>] +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>] + PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>] + Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>] +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003681.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003691.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3690">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3690">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3690">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3690">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003691.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003691.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7e5e6082d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003691.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23d6.4d8c9bc2%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003690.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003692.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C23d6.4d8c9bc2%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 14:42:27 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003690.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003692.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3691">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3691">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3691">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3691">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Colin Guthrie wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 14:36 + +><i> It was Donald Knuth who said "Premature optimization is the root of +</I>><i> all +</I>><i> evil", and the same can be said of "Speculative Packaging" IMO! +</I> +Actually you just made my point here, excluding qt3-devel out of 'neatness' +is quite clearly premature optimization, therefore "the root of all evil" +as you wisely quote... :) + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003690.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003692.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3691">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3691">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3691">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3691">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003692.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003692.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..04b829b72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003692.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8C9DDF.2080400%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003691.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003702.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Colin Guthrie</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8C9DDF.2080400%40colin.guthr.ie%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">mageia at colin.guthr.ie + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 14:51:27 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003691.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003702.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE =?utf-8?q?3=2E5=09successor?=) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3692">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3692">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3692">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3692">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Tux99 at 25/03/11 13:42 did gyre and gimble: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Quote: Colin Guthrie wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 14:36 +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> It was Donald Knuth who said "Premature optimization is the root of +</I>>><i> all +</I>>><i> evil", and the same can be said of "Speculative Packaging" IMO! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Actually you just made my point here, excluding qt3-devel out of 'neatness' +</I>><i> is quite clearly premature optimization, therefore "the root of all evil" +</I>><i> as you wisely quote... :) +</I> +"optimization" and "concious decision" are two very different things, +but feel free to distort it to make yourself feel better if you like! + +And I'm not going to get into a debate about semantics here. Such +debates are for late nights and a few good whiskies... :p + +Col + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>] +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>] + PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>] + Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>] +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003691.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003702.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE =?utf-8?q?3=2E5=09successor?=) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3692">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3692">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3692">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3692">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003693.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003693.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cbe41dd7d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003693.html @@ -0,0 +1,60 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DAX%2B%3DNbp8N-SmvA3PRkXTwnk%3DFSfJHdUCekSW6%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003689.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003667.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DAX%2B%3DNbp8N-SmvA3PRkXTwnk%3DFSfJHdUCekSW6%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 15:22:51 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003689.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003667.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3693">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3693">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3693">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3693">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 25 March 2011 13:27, John Balcaen <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mandriva.org</A>> wrote: +><i> The only problem we faced is that we're not agree about packaging qt3-devel +</I> +Totally off topic: are you french :-) ? 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+</I>>>><i> So, why is it usefull to maintain a package that "becomes" depreciated +</I>>>><i> ? +</I>>><i> You are missing the point. QT3 is already part of Mageia and it wasn't me +</I>>><i> who added it. All I'm asking is if there is any compelling reason not to +</I>>><i> enable qt3-devel in the existing qt3 +</I>>><i> source package that is part of Mageia. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> If there isn't any COMPELLING reason, then qt3-devel should be reenabled as +</I>>><i> long as someone wishes it. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You're missing their point. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree, there is no 'compelling reason' not to offer it. The people +</I>><i> doing the work just don't want to because enabling it means they have +</I>><i> to support it. _Since Mageia doesn't need it for anything_, it makes no +</I>><i> sense to enable it; it consumes scarce resources for no direct +</I>><i> benefit. You are free to re-compile QT3 and enable it yourself, which +</I>><i> is what i suggest. +</I>[...] +><i> +</I> +Hi again, + +You are wrong, there are software which need qt3-devel, but they have +been removed from Mageia! +I have just taken a look at Mageia "missing package" list, and QCad will +be removed because it is built against QT3 (quoting: "qcad: stewb - +noimport(started to do this one, but as I understand we'd like to drop +Qt3, so I stopped)") + +Remember: QCad is a 2D professional drawing tool and it has NO +equivalent on Linux, so removing it is clearly a regression compared to +Mandriva. + +Sad to see that "you" are stuck at removing as useful packages as +qt3-devel. Contrarily to what you wrote, It _is_ still needed (not only +for my personal needs) and removing it has side effects because it +implies removing software (with no replacement) from the mandriva list ... + +Please reconsider your choices, +Xavier + +P.S. I use Mandriva and QCad at work. +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003688.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003696.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3694">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3694">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3694">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3694">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003695.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003695.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3de14cf86 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003695.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8CB926.8050908%40iki.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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As well as most distributions. + +So if QCad developers want their software to be usable on recent +distributions, they need to port it to qt4. + +And it seems some people are working on it, and have it working : +<A HREF="http://www.qcad.org/rsforum/viewtopic.php?t=1162&sid=34c9830d18b8abe49c13e31b08496d6f">http://www.qcad.org/rsforum/viewtopic.php?t=1162&sid=34c9830d18b8abe49c13e31b08496d6f</A> + +If you want it, you can help making a QCad package using qt4. + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003694.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003697.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3696">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3696">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3696">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3696">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003697.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003697.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..21d84241c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003697.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DragymyyjBzQeM7btNyjJ57bTG9GE%3D1zpBzf86%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003696.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003656.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DragymyyjBzQeM7btNyjJ57bTG9GE%3D1zpBzf86%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 17:05:54 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003696.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003656.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3697">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3697">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3697">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3697">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/25 xi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ctrl.alt.sup at free.fr</A>>: +><i> Hoyt Duff wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I agree, there is no 'compelling reason' not to offer it. The people +</I>>><i> doing the work just don't want to because enabling it means they have +</I>>><i> to support it. _Since Mageia doesn't need it for anything_, it makes no +</I>>><i> sense to enable it; it consumes scarce resources for no direct +</I>>><i> benefit. You are free to re-compile QT3 and enable it yourself, which +</I>>><i> is what i suggest. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You are wrong, there are software which need qt3-devel, but they have been +</I>><i> removed from Mageia! +</I>><i> I have just taken a look at Mageia "missing package" list, and QCad will be +</I>><i> removed because it is built against QT3 (quoting: "qcad: stewb - +</I>><i> noimport(started to do this one, but as I understand we'd like to drop Qt3, +</I>><i> so I stopped)") +</I> +Well, without going into any technical details and only by looking at +the basic question, there seem to be: + + - Some users who are working with old (but still usable and working!) +software who are using this with Mandriva, so these users would like +to be able to use it in another distribution. + + - The devels of that other distribution had to decide which software +they will import into their new[1] distribution. Given the low +ressources in manpower at this point in time they had to decide to +leave this or that package out, especially when the import of such a +package demands extended support. This means no harm to the users of +those packages, they can still use them the way they did until now +(with Mandriva in this case). Therefore the argument by those users +that they are left out in the rain if this software will not be +imported is not valid. + +Looks to me a valid decision of the devels of the new distribution. + +[1] Please do not argue that Mageia is a sequel to Mandriva (somebody +did that in this thread) because it is not. If Mandriva would have +closed shop, then you may have a point in asking for some continouity. +But this is not the case. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003696.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003656.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3697">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3697">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3697">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3697">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003698.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003698.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..afaea1dc8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003698.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C20110325173415.7dd99af1%40pitrou.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003699.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003700.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Antoine Pitrou</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C20110325173415.7dd99af1%40pitrou.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">solipsis at pitrou.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 17:34:15 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003699.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003700.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3698">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3698">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3698">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3698">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +My two cents as an user: + +><i> Presumably, FLOSS supporters are satisfied with the state of the current +</I>><i> ISOs, and <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523</A> would address +</I>><i> extending install functionality without changing the content of the +</I>><i> existing ISOs, which should be an improvement over where we are now +</I>><i> without corrupting the FLOSS purity of the existing ISOs. +</I> +Not all "FLOSS supporters" believe that ISOs should be "pure". +I would label myself a FLOSS partisan (having contributed in FLOSS +projects for 10 years), and yet I don't really make a fuss if an +ISO contains non-free software, especially if such software is +necessary for good use of some peripherals... + +By labelling "FLOSS supporters" only the partisans of aforementioned +"purity" (a term which, in any political context, should really give you +shivers), you are making the community as a whole a disservice. It is +not "the purists" vs. "the realists", or some other caricatural +reduction of reality. + +><i> You can say what you like about newbies or "Aunt Edna", but anyone who +</I>><i> can find one ISO for themselves can find two, and the argument about how +</I>><i> the drivers/firmware wouldn't take up much space on the DVD goes both +</I>><i> ways, since downloading a separate ISO for them is then not that big a +</I>><i> deal in terms of bandwidth. +</I> +Having one ISOs instead of several is not about minimizing download +times, it's about providing a better user experience. + +OTOH, if aforementioned non-free software can be downloaded +automatically over the Internet (especially during installation), then +the whole issue becomes moot. + +</my 2 cents> + +Regards + +Antoine. + + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003699.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003700.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3698">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3698">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3698">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3698">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003699.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003699.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..82192cddd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003699.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8CC6E3.10307%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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So, this issue can not become moot +:<i>) +</I> +But everything else (graphic, sound, webcam, etc.) can be installed +from the internet after installation if necessary. This has never been +an issue. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003698.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003701.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3700">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3700">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3700">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3700">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003701.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003701.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ddd495dcd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003701.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8CC9CA.2000200%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003700.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003659.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8CC9CA.2000200%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 17:58:50 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003700.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003659.html">[Mageia-dev] for when geany in the repos? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3701">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3701">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3701">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3701">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 03/25/2011 12:34 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: +><i> My two cents as an user: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Presumably, FLOSS supporters are satisfied with the state of the current +</I>>><i> ISOs, and <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523</A> would address +</I>>><i> extending install functionality without changing the content of the +</I>>><i> existing ISOs, which should be an improvement over where we are now +</I>>><i> without corrupting the FLOSS purity of the existing ISOs. +</I>><i> Not all "FLOSS supporters" believe that ISOs should be "pure". +</I>><i> I would label myself a FLOSS partisan (having contributed in FLOSS +</I>><i> projects for 10 years), and yet I don't really make a fuss if an +</I>><i> ISO contains non-free software, especially if such software is +</I>><i> necessary for good use of some peripherals... +</I> +Neither do I. + +><i> By labelling "FLOSS supporters" only the partisans of aforementioned +</I>><i> "purity" (a term which, in any political context, should really give you +</I>><i> shivers), you are making the community as a whole a disservice. It is +</I>><i> not "the purists" vs. "the realists", or some other caricatural +</I>><i> reduction of reality. +</I> +The labeling was for typographical convenience, simply a way to +differentiate one camp in this discussion from the other, and was pretty +obviously not a part of the intrinsic arguments. + +I'm on neither side in this; my interest is in having the install +support wireless networking, which has nothing to do with whether there +is one ISO or two. All the necessary files are already in the distro, I +just want the install to use them if they're available. That is not a +FLOSS/non-FLOSS/sorta-FLOSS issue. I install cooker/cauldron only, and +I haven't installed from an ISO since I got involved with cooker except +as an occasional test. + +I don't care how many ISOs there are, or whether the installer gets +these files from the moon. I just figure I have a better chance of +seeing this implemented if I point out that two ISOs steps on as few +toes as possible, given the current contents of the DVDs. 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There are still some users like me who may use QT3. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I still use some "not so common" applications (eg tools for electronic) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > which needs QT3 and it is always much more convenient to simply do a +</I>><i> > "urpmi libqt3-devel" than downloading and compiling qt3 ... especially +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > if libqt3 is already included in Mageia ! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Exactly my point, thanks Xavier. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is about not restricting other people's freedoms. +</I> +iirc, it was mentioned somewhere that qt3 (without devel) was only submitted +to satisfy the lsb requirements (which are ridiculously unrealisticly outdated +imho, but there is talk of upgrading). + +I read this as: 'we just put it there, but noone even tested it to see if it's +actually working', it might as well have been an empty package or not there. + +i think that during this huge (boring) thread to me, this has been +misunderstood a few times. + +as some people mentioned: +- make TDE build and run well locally (because TDE obviously is what you want, +and it does give a good test-run on qt3 on almost all parts) +- co-install it with KDE4 and make it both run very well +- discuss with current maintainers/packagers/your mentor of qt3 how to +support/maintain this (i suspect there is no real maintainer, but check the +commit logs who worked on it). +- after all these steps (quite a bit of work), start committing your stuff and +submitting to core/testing +- organize a few testers to test it out +- move to core/release + +I don't think anyone disagrees with these steps, if they do, you could have +packaging leaders/council decide on this. +(IMHO, it would be nice to test this procedure of council decisions, i would +love to see this happening) + +I suspect due to the freeze that this will hit cauldron after mageia release 1 + +good luck +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003658.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003646.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3705">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3705">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3705">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3705">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003706.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003706.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e197a8b7c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003706.html @@ -0,0 +1,64 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Fwd%3A%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/updates_testing%0A%09clementine-0.6-5.mga1&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimTw-jx4ctyvxV9chKEyKbWhEQ-p8UaCnUFbOKw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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But oliver +did a very nice training and I would like you to welcome him as a new +packager :-) + +So, if you see packages from obgr_seneca, don’t hesitate to thank him +(or shout at him if it doesn’t work :p) + +Welcome Oliver ! + +As I said, this is just the beginning, the hardest part is yet to come, +but I think you will do a very nice job, do not hesitate to ping anyone +of us if you have some troubles with some packages. + +Best regards, +-- +Rémy CLOUARD +() ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail +/\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments +-------------- next part -------------- +A non-text attachment was scrubbed... +Name: not available +Type: application/pgp-signature +Size: 230 bytes +Desc: not available +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20110325/5627c4c7/attachment.asc> +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003713.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003708.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3707">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3707">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3707">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3707">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003708.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003708.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..db5f2a3bc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003708.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Please%20welcome%20a%20new%20packager&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinkVTPdTk264F8WpbvB4sS1xn-1442e%3DwHzc%3D8D%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003707.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003710.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager</H1> + <B>Anne nicolas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Please%20welcome%20a%20new%20packager&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinkVTPdTk264F8WpbvB4sS1xn-1442e%3DwHzc%3D8D%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager">ennael1 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 20:49:53 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003707.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003710.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3708">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3708">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3708">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3708">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/25 Remy CLOUARD <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shikamaru at mandriva.org</A>>: +><i> Hello there, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We started mentoring 2 months ago with oliver, and as we are both very +</I>><i> busy at work, it took quite some time for us to get ready. But oliver +</I>><i> did a very nice training and I would like you to welcome him as a new +</I>><i> packager :-) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, if you see packages from obgr_seneca, don’t hesitate to thank him +</I>><i> (or shout at him if it doesn’t work :p) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Welcome Oliver ! +</I> +Indeed welcome in hell :) + +><i> +</I>><i> As I said, this is just the beginning, the hardest part is yet to come, +</I>><i> but I think you will do a very nice job, do not hesitate to ping anyone +</I>><i> of us if you have some troubles with some packages. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Best regards, +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Rémy CLOUARD +</I>><i> () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail +</I>><i> /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments +</I>><i> +</I> + + +-- +Anne +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003707.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003710.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3708">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3708">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3708">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3708">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003709.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003709.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..362346a86 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003709.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Please%20welcome%20a%20new%20packager&In-Reply-To=%3C201103251655.46074.balcaen.john%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003717.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003714.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager</H1> + <B>Balcaen John</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Please%20welcome%20a%20new%20packager&In-Reply-To=%3C201103251655.46074.balcaen.john%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager">balcaen.john at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 20:55:45 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003717.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003714.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3709">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3709">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3709">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3709">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Friday 25 March 2011 16:45:21, Remy CLOUARD wrote: +><i> Hello there, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We started mentoring 2 months ago with oliver, and as we are both very +</I>><i> busy at work, it took quite some time for us to get ready. But oliver +</I>><i> did a very nice training and I would like you to welcome him as a new +</I>><i> packager :-) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, if you see packages from obgr_seneca, don’t hesitate to thank him +</I>><i> (or shout at him if it doesn’t work :p) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Welcome Oliver ! +</I>Welcome oliver :) +(& good luck with ayatana \o/ ) + +-- +Balcaen John +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003717.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003714.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3709">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3709">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3709">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3709">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003710.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003710.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c9640b7d9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003710.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Please%20welcome%20a%20new%20packager&In-Reply-To=%3C201103252119.12790.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003708.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003717.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Please%20welcome%20a%20new%20packager&In-Reply-To=%3C201103252119.12790.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 21:19:12 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003708.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003717.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3710">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3710">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3710">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3710">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op vrijdag 25 maart 2011 20:49:53 schreef Anne nicolas: +><i> 2011/3/25 Remy CLOUARD <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shikamaru at mandriva.org</A>>: +</I>[...] +><i> > Welcome Oliver ! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Indeed welcome in hell :) +</I>[...] + +Welcome to hell: <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFGrQMD6Uqc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFGrQMD6Uqc</A> +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003708.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003717.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3710">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3710">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3710">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3710">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003711.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003711.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3e4057120 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003711.html @@ -0,0 +1,123 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%20successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C20110325202203.GB13609%40shikamaru.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003687.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003686.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Remy CLOUARD</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%20successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C20110325202203.GB13609%40shikamaru.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">shikamaru at mandriva.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 21:22:03 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003687.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003686.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3711">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3711">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3711">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3711">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 02:10:54PM +0100, Tux99 wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Quote: Robert Xu wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 13:53 +</I>><i> ---------------------------------------------------- +</I>><i> > Hi, +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Based on all this conversation here, it is clear that we have gotten +</I>><i> > off topic. +</I>><i> > My suggestion would be to make a separate repository for Trinity. +</I>><i> > Beware, we also updated Qt to version 3.3.8c (just a few minor +</I>><i> > changes, no idea if bugs remain) while we finish the porting to Qt4. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks Robert, I might take up your offer of a repo on the Trinity servers +</I>><i> if I decide to continue to build Trinty packages for Mageia. But right now +</I>><i> I'm a bit demotivated to continue with this and in fact to continue with +</I>><i> Mageia at all. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe I will rather help you to make some great Trinity packages for +</I>><i> Redhat/Centos since I'm also a Redhat/Centos user, but right now I have to +</I>><i> first make up my mind. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</I>You’re quite quick to demotivate yourself. I waited nearly 2 years to +have my window manager inside my distribution, because it relies on a +specific compile option on a much used package (cairo). + +During all that time, I _listened_ to people, and though it was kinda +heartbraking to admit they were right, I had to understand the reason +behind this. + +Recently, I finally decided to get my hands dirty and to make cairo +available for every package, while at the same time providing a mean to +get the other cairo available for my package. + +It seems you do not want to listen to other people concerns, that’s bad, +because that prevents you to find a solution that will make everyone +happy. + +Now, people suggested you to do some things, and provide a way to have +what you want, please consider it, you’ll understand that people are not +against having qt3-devel if there is really such a need, and that TDE +can be included once it has been proven to not wreck havok in the +distribution (I know these last words are hard to read, because I was in +the same situation, but that concern is real). + +Reassure people, by providing builds in a separate place so that people +can test having TDE and KDE, perhaps help you fix issues ! + +I wish you good luck for this, this is not an easy task, but please +change your way of doing things, it’s not by shouting louder than the +others that you will get something (you nearly replied to everyone in +this thread), people don’t want words, people want acts. 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But oliver +</I>><i> did a very nice training and I would like you to welcome him as a new +</I>><i> packager :-) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, if you see packages from obgr_seneca, don’t hesitate to thank him +</I>><i> (or shout at him if it doesn’t work :p) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Welcome Oliver ! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As I said, this is just the beginning, the hardest part is yet to come, +</I>><i> but I think you will do a very nice job, do not hesitate to ping anyone +</I>><i> of us if you have some troubles with some packages. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Best regards, +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Rémy CLOUARD +</I>><i> () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail +</I>><i> /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments +</I>><i> +</I> +Welcome! + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003709.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003715.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3714">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3714">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3714">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3714">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003715.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003715.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6314223ad --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003715.html @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Please%20welcome%20a%20new%20packager&In-Reply-To=%3C201103252201.32019.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003714.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003716.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Please%20welcome%20a%20new%20packager&In-Reply-To=%3C201103252201.32019.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 22:01:31 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003714.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003716.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3715">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3715">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3715">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3715">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> schrieb am 25.03.2011 +><i> On 25 March 2011 21:45, Remy CLOUARD <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shikamaru at mandriva.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > Welcome Oliver ! +</I>><i> Welcome! +</I> +I don't want this to sound like a stupid oscar thank you speach. But +thanks for your welcome. I hope we will create a wonderful +distribution together and thank you very much Remy for a superb +mentoring (and you Ahmad for being there answering my questions). + +I do my very best to repay you with my work! + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003714.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003716.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3715">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3715">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3715">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3715">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003716.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003716.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..aa5c215ec --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/003716.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Please%20welcome%20a%20new%20packager&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8D076D.2080100%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003715.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003718.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager</H1> + <B>Cazzaniga Sandro</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Please%20welcome%20a%20new%20packager&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8D076D.2080100%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 25 22:21:49 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003715.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003718.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3716">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3716">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3716">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3716">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 25/03/2011 21:37, Ahmad Samir a écrit : +><i> On 25 March 2011 21:45, Remy CLOUARD <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shikamaru at mandriva.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> > Hello there, +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > We started mentoring 2 months ago with oliver, and as we are both very +</I>>><i> > busy at work, it took quite some time for us to get ready. But oliver +</I>>><i> > did a very nice training and I would like you to welcome him as a new +</I>>><i> > packager :-) +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > So, if you see packages from obgr_seneca, don’t hesitate to thank him +</I>>><i> > (or shout at him if it doesn’t work :p) +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > Welcome Oliver ! +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > As I said, this is just the beginning, the hardest part is yet to come, +</I>>><i> > but I think you will do a very nice job, do not hesitate to ping anyone +</I>>><i> > of us if you have some troubles with some packages. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > Best regards, +</I>>><i> > -- +</I>>><i> > Rémy CLOUARD +</I>>><i> > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail +</I>>><i> > /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments +</I>welcome! + +-- +Sandro Cazzaniga +IRC: Kharec (irc.freenode.net) +Software/Hardware geek +Perl dev +Mageia and Mandriva contributor +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003715.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003718.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? 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+ +I thought I'd give LXDE a try, but both from my usual ID and a new ID, +it crashes X (or appears to) and flips right back to the DM screen. + +I know there are LXDE advocates here, so before I enter a bug report I +thought I'd ask the obvious question. +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003716.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3718">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3718">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3718">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3718">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a6b0c66a2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,457 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 25 March 2011 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>25 March 2011 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Mar 25 01:29:34 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Mar 25 23:13:08 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 82<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="003712.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3712"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003684.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3684"> </A> +<I>John Balcaen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003683.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3683"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003697.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3697"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003700.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3700"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003653.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3653"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003715.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3715"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003707.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3707"> </A> +<I>Remy CLOUARD +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003711.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3711"> </A> +<I>Remy CLOUARD +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003688.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3688"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003664.html">[Mageia-dev] Grub version +</A><A NAME="3664"> </A> +<I>Farfouille +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003679.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3679"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003699.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3699"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003701.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3701"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003717.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3717"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003718.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? 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+</A><A NAME="3647"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003650.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3650"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003639.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3639"> </A> +<I>Dexter Morgan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003644.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3644"> </A> +<I>Dexter Morgan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003698.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3698"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003704.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3704"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003713.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3713"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003714.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3714"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003716.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3716"> </A> +<I>Cazzaniga Sandro +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003638.html">[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test +</A><A NAME="3638"> </A> +<I>Thomas Spuhler +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003643.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3643"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003645.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3645"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003648.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3648"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003652.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3652"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003655.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3655"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003657.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3657"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003658.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3658"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003663.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3663"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003665.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3665"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003668.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3668"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003671.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3671"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003672.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3672"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003677.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3677"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003678.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3678"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003681.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3681"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003686.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3686"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003687.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3687"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003691.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3691"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003702.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE =?utf-8?q?3=2E5=09successor?=) +</A><A NAME="3702"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003705.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3705"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003710.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3710"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003693.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3693"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003703.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3703"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003706.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3706"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003685.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3685"> </A> +<I>Robert Xu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003637.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3637"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003651.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3651"> </A> +<I>yves at antredugeek.fr +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003640.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3640"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003654.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3654"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003660.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3660"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003667.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3667"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003669.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3669"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003675.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3675"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003659.html">[Mageia-dev] for when geany in the repos? +</A><A NAME="3659"> </A> +<I>cristian gomez +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003661.html">[Mageia-dev] for when geany in the repos? +</A><A NAME="3661"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003708.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3708"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003662.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3662"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003666.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3666"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003670.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3670"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003673.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3673"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003696.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3696"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003656.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3656"> </A> +<I>xi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003680.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3680"> </A> +<I>xi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003694.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3694"> </A> +<I>xi +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Fri Mar 25 23:13:08 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Mar 25 23:13:16 CET 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 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<i>Fri Mar 25 23:13:08 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 82<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="003637.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3637"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003638.html">[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test +</A><A NAME="3638"> </A> +<I>Thomas Spuhler +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003639.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3639"> </A> +<I>Dexter Morgan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003640.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3640"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003641.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3641"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003642.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3642"> </A> +<I>David W. Hodgins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003643.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3643"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003644.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3644"> </A> +<I>Dexter Morgan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003645.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3645"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003646.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3646"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003647.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3647"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003648.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3648"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003649.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3649"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003650.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3650"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003651.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3651"> </A> +<I>yves at antredugeek.fr +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003652.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3652"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003653.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3653"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003654.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3654"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003655.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3655"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003656.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3656"> </A> +<I>xi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003657.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3657"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003658.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3658"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003659.html">[Mageia-dev] for when geany in the repos? +</A><A NAME="3659"> </A> +<I>cristian gomez +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003660.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3660"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003661.html">[Mageia-dev] for when geany in the repos? +</A><A NAME="3661"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003662.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3662"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003664.html">[Mageia-dev] Grub version +</A><A NAME="3664"> </A> +<I>Farfouille +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003663.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3663"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003665.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3665"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003666.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3666"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003667.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3667"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003668.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3668"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003669.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3669"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003670.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3670"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003671.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3671"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003672.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3672"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003673.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3673"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003674.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3674"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003675.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3675"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003676.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3676"> </A> +<I>Colin Guthrie +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003677.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3677"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003678.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3678"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003679.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3679"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003680.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3680"> </A> +<I>xi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003681.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3681"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003682.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3682"> </A> +<I>Margot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003683.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3683"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003684.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3684"> </A> +<I>John Balcaen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003685.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3685"> </A> +<I>Robert Xu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003686.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3686"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003687.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3687"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003688.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3688"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003689.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3689"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003690.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3690"> </A> +<I>Colin Guthrie +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003691.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3691"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003692.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3692"> </A> +<I>Colin Guthrie +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003693.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3693"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003694.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3694"> </A> +<I>xi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003695.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3695"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003696.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3696"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003697.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3697"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003698.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3698"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003699.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3699"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003700.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3700"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003701.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3701"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003702.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE =?utf-8?q?3=2E5=09successor?=) +</A><A NAME="3702"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003703.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3703"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003704.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3704"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003705.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3705"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003706.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3706"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003707.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3707"> </A> +<I>Remy CLOUARD +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003708.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3708"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003709.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3709"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003710.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3710"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003711.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3711"> </A> +<I>Remy CLOUARD +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003712.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3712"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003713.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3713"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003714.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3714"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003715.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3715"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003716.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3716"> </A> +<I>Cazzaniga Sandro +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003717.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3717"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003718.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A><A NAME="3718"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Fri Mar 25 23:13:08 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Mar 25 23:13:16 CET 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a 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\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/subject.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/subject.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..34ed1e47a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/subject.html @@ -0,0 +1,457 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 25 March 2011 Archive by subject</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>25 March 2011 Archives by subject</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Mar 25 01:29:34 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Mar 25 23:13:08 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 82<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="003703.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3703"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003638.html">[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test +</A><A NAME="3638"> </A> +<I>Thomas Spuhler +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003659.html">[Mageia-dev] for when geany in the repos? +</A><A NAME="3659"> </A> +<I>cristian gomez +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003661.html">[Mageia-dev] for when geany in the repos? +</A><A NAME="3661"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003712.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3712"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003704.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3704"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003706.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3706"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003713.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3713"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003664.html">[Mageia-dev] Grub version +</A><A NAME="3664"> </A> +<I>Farfouille +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003718.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? +</A><A NAME="3718"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003637.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3637"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003639.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3639"> </A> +<I>Dexter Morgan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003640.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3640"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003641.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3641"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003642.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3642"> </A> +<I>David W. Hodgins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003646.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3646"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003647.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3647"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003648.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3648"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003649.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3649"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003650.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3650"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003679.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3679"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003682.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3682"> </A> +<I>Margot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003683.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3683"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003695.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3695"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003698.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3698"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003699.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3699"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003700.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3700"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003701.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3701"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003707.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3707"> </A> +<I>Remy CLOUARD +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003708.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3708"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003709.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3709"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003710.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3710"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003714.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3714"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003715.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3715"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003716.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3716"> </A> +<I>Cazzaniga Sandro +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003717.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3717"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003680.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3680"> </A> +<I>xi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003662.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3662"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003666.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3666"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003670.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3670"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003673.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3673"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003676.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3676"> </A> +<I>Colin Guthrie +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003689.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3689"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003690.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3690"> </A> +<I>Colin Guthrie +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003692.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3692"> </A> +<I>Colin Guthrie +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003694.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3694"> </A> +<I>xi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003696.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3696"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003643.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3643"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003644.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3644"> </A> +<I>Dexter Morgan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003645.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3645"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003652.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3652"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003653.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3653"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003654.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3654"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003655.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3655"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003656.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3656"> </A> +<I>xi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003657.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3657"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003658.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3658"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003660.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3660"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003663.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3663"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003665.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3665"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003667.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3667"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003668.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3668"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003669.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3669"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003671.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3671"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003672.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3672"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003674.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3674"> </A> +<I>Balcaen John +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003675.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3675"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003677.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3677"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003678.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3678"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003681.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3681"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003684.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3684"> </A> +<I>John Balcaen +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003685.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3685"> </A> +<I>Robert Xu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003686.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3686"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003687.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3687"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003688.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3688"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003691.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3691"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003693.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3693"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003697.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3697"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003705.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3705"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003651.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3651"> </A> +<I>yves at antredugeek.fr +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003711.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3711"> </A> +<I>Remy CLOUARD +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003702.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE =?utf-8?q?3=2E5=09successor?=) +</A><A NAME="3702"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Fri Mar 25 23:13:08 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Mar 25 23:13:16 CET 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110325/thread.html 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Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3637"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01301012974-01301035371- --> +<LI><A HREF="003639.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3639"> </A> +<I>Dexter Morgan +</I> + +<!--1 01301012974-01301036983- --> +<LI><A HREF="003640.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3640"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--1 01301012974-01301037447- --> +<LI><A HREF="003641.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3641"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01301012974-01301037447-01301039257- --> +<LI><A HREF="003642.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3642"> </A> +<I>David W. Hodgins +</I> + +<!--2 01301012974-01301037447-01301055267- --> +<LI><A HREF="003682.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3682"> </A> +<I>Margot +</I> + +</UL> +<!--1 01301012974-01301041984- --> +<LI><A HREF="003648.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3648"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01301027002- --> +<LI><A HREF="003638.html">[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test +</A><A NAME="3638"> </A> +<I>Thomas Spuhler +</I> + +<!--0 01301039585- --> +<LI><A HREF="003643.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3643"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01301039585-01301040948- --> +<LI><A HREF="003644.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3644"> </A> +<I>Dexter Morgan +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320- --> +<LI><A HREF="003645.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3645"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564- --> +<LI><A HREF="003651.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3651"> </A> +<I>yves at antredugeek.fr +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197- --> +<LI><A HREF="003652.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3652"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301044910- --> +<LI><A HREF="003653.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3653"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301044910-01301045543- --> +<LI><A HREF="003655.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3655"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301045444- --> +<LI><A HREF="003654.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3654"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301045444-01301045841- --> +<LI><A HREF="003657.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3657"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301045444-01301045841-01301046796- --> +<LI><A HREF="003660.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3660"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301045444-01301045841-01301046796-01301049184- --> +<LI><A HREF="003663.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3663"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 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(KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3666"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301045444-01301045841-01301048451-01301049522-01301050241-01301050838- --> +<LI><A HREF="003668.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3668"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301045444-01301045841-01301048451-01301049522-01301050241-01301050838-01301051304- --> +<LI><A HREF="003670.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3670"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301045444-01301045841-01301048451-01301049522-01301050241-01301050838-01301051304-01301051918- --> +<LI><A HREF="003672.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3672"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 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+<I>John Balcaen +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301045444-01301045841-01301048451-01301049522-01301050241-01301050838-01301051304-01301051918-01301052652-01301053658-01301056031-01301057638- --> +<LI><A HREF="003685.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3685"> </A> +<I>Robert Xu +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301045444-01301045841-01301048451-01301049522-01301050241-01301050838-01301051304-01301051918-01301052652-01301053658-01301056031-01301057638-01301058654- --> +<LI><A HREF="003687.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3687"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301045444-01301045841-01301048451-01301049522-01301050241-01301050838-01301051304-01301051918-01301052652-01301053658-01301056031-01301057638-01301058654-01301084523- --> +<LI><A HREF="003711.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3711"> </A> +<I>Remy CLOUARD +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301045444-01301045841-01301048451-01301049522-01301050241-01301050838-01301051304-01301051918-01301052652-01301053658-01301056031-01301058369- --> +<LI><A HREF="003686.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3686"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301045444-01301045841-01301048451-01301049522-01301050241-01301050838-01301051304-01301051918-01301052652-01301053658-01301056031-01301058369-01301059820- --> +<LI><A HREF="003689.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3689"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +<!--3 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+</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301045444-01301045841-01301048451-01301049522-01301050609-01301051656-01301053408-01301078757- --> +<LI><A HREF="003702.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE =?utf-8?q?3=2E5=09successor?=) +</A><A NAME="3702"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301058889- --> +<LI><A HREF="003688.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3688"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301058889-01301067607- --> +<LI><A HREF="003694.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3694"> </A> +<I>xi +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301058889-01301067607-01301068392- --> +<LI><A HREF="003696.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3696"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301044197-01301058889-01301067607-01301069154- --> +<LI><A HREF="003697.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3697"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301045551- --> +<LI><A HREF="003656.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3656"> </A> +<I>xi +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301045551-01301045968- --> +<LI><A HREF="003658.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3658"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01301039585-01301040948-01301041320-01301042564-01301045551-01301045968-01301079619- --> +<LI><A HREF="003705.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3705"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01301041436- --> +<LI><A HREF="003646.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3646"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01301041436-01301042356- --> +<LI><A HREF="003649.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3649"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01301041700- --> +<LI><A HREF="003647.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3647"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<!--0 01301042468- --> +<LI><A HREF="003650.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3650"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01301042468-01301054678- --> +<LI><A HREF="003679.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3679"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01301042468-01301054678-01301055872- --> +<LI><A HREF="003683.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3683"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--2 01301042468-01301054678-01301068070- --> +<LI><A HREF="003695.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3695"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01301042468-01301054678-01301068070-01301071587- --> +<LI><A HREF="003699.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3699"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01301042468-01301054678-01301070855- --> +<LI><A HREF="003698.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3698"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01301042468-01301054678-01301070855-01301071694- --> +<LI><A HREF="003700.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3700"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01301042468-01301054678-01301070855-01301072330- --> +<LI><A HREF="003701.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3701"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01301046578- --> +<LI><A HREF="003659.html">[Mageia-dev] for when geany in the repos? +</A><A NAME="3659"> </A> +<I>cristian gomez +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01301046578-01301047015- --> +<LI><A HREF="003661.html">[Mageia-dev] for when geany in the repos? +</A><A NAME="3661"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01301048808- --> +<LI><A HREF="003664.html">[Mageia-dev] Grub version +</A><A NAME="3664"> </A> +<I>Farfouille +</I> + +<!--0 01301079151- --> +<LI><A HREF="003703.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3703"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<!--0 01301079545- --> +<LI><A HREF="003704.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3704"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01301079545-01301080149- --> +<LI><A HREF="003706.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3706"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<!--1 01301079545-01301084725- --> +<LI><A HREF="003712.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3712"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01301079545-01301084725-01301085370- --> +<LI><A HREF="003713.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1 +</A><A NAME="3713"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01301082321- --> +<LI><A HREF="003707.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3707"> </A> +<I>Remy CLOUARD +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01301082321-01301082593- --> +<LI><A HREF="003708.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3708"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01301082321-01301082593-01301084352- --> +<LI><A HREF="003710.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3710"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<!--2 01301082321-01301082593-01301089853- --> +<LI><A HREF="003717.html">[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager +</A><A NAME="3717"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +</UL> 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