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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+ <I>Fri Mar 25 08:09:43 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 01:29, andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> My though was essentially that firmware is so close to hardware that its
+</I>&gt;<i> actual free/non-free status shouldn't apply - we should treat it like
+</I>&gt;<i> (almost) part of the hardware.
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+No. Because it's hardware or firmware doesn't make it more or less an
+issue regarding being open source or not. The same reasoning applies
+as for software. And if it's not open source, it's not. Even closed
+hardware is an issue in the end (in this regard, the open hardware
+movement is still in its infancy but it's promising - and important
+too).
+
+That something is put in nonfree media instead of core shouldn't pose
+an irresolvable issue for easyness of installation and use.
+
+&gt;<i> That is, on installing from an iso, all hardware-related functions should
+</I>&gt;<i> (ideally) be fully functional, even if it requires using non-free drivers.
+</I>
+You are mixing two things: what goes into core or nonfree, and what
+goes onto a shipped ISO.
+
+The question is not shipping or not ISOs with or without nonfree stuff
+on it. Some ISO will host core &amp; nonfree parts of course, for the sake
+of convenience for users (that doesn't prevent from informing about
+the issues regarding nonfree stuff). But some available ISO ought to
+host only core (that is, expected, only FLOSS).
+
+Romain
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