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+ <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1>
+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+ <I>Fri Mar 25 13:04:38 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>This has really moved away from the question of providing
+drivers/firmware to a &quot;pissing contest&quot; about whose philosophy the
+default offerings should represent.
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+Presumably, FLOSS supporters are satisfied with the state of the current
+ISOs, and <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523</A> would address
+extending install functionality without changing the content of the
+existing ISOs, which should be an improvement over where we are now
+without corrupting the FLOSS purity of the existing ISOs.
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+I think we should proceed with that approach, and leave the more
+controversial question of whether the ISOs should be merged for another
+day.
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+You can say what you like about newbies or &quot;Aunt Edna&quot;, but anyone who
+can find one ISO for themselves can find two, and the argument about how
+the drivers/firmware wouldn't take up much space on the DVD goes both
+ways, since downloading a separate ISO for them is then not that big a
+deal in terms of bandwidth.
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+If you can't understand a reasonably verbose panel that says that &quot;your
+computer's hardware requires our secondary network/drivers/firmware
+CD/DVD/ISO in order to activate networking&quot;, and says that you can find
+it in the same place you got this disk, be that a network repository or
+a friend who burned it for you, then you probably need to be reminded to
+breathe. Such people are hardly about to be Mageia early-adopters, and
+we have some time to discuss how we want to deal with them.
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+Eventually, we may agree to offer a merged ISO. Better still, since
+anyone falling into the category of needing that much hand-holding is
+unlikely to have bought a bare machine and is probably coming from
+Windows, maybe we ought to provide a Windows app that checks the
+hardware, downloads the needed ISOs to the Windows filesystem (on what
+we assume is a working network-enabled system) after suitable prompts to
+the user, and then enhance the install to look for them there.
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