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I see absolutely no problem with +</I>>><i> compiling a qt3 package yourself with the -devel package enabled if +</I>>><i> you +</I>>><i> want to use it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But isn't one of the reasons for participating in a community distro, +</I>><i> wanting to share what each of us builds for ourselves? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And if such sharing is being vetoed preemptively in advance without an +</I>><i> objective reason based on facts but rather based on fears and personal +</I>><i> opinions, isn't that an unnecessary restriction of freedom that doesn't +</I>><i> suit a true community distro? +</I> +Compare it to sharing an apartment/house with some friends. + +Do you want the other people to leave their unwashed clothes all over +the laundry room, or unwashed dishes piling up in the kitchen? Or would +you prefer that everyone works together to keep things neat and tidy? + +If you take each individual freedom to it's logical extreme, then +sharing a house would allow for the messiest person in the world to +share space with the tidiest. Each has the right to their own feelings +and ways of being, but in reality such a combination simply wouldn't +work. There has to be middle ground that is reached. That's the whole +point in a community. You cannot expect everyone to automatically agree +with your take on things. It's clear that some people do agree with your +and some don't. This shouldn't be overly surprising. + +Personally I'd rather keep things tidy and not enable things unless +there is a direct need for it (e.g. a dependency). If and when there is +an app that requires qt3 in the official repos, then that is such a dep, +but until then, it makes sense to keep things neat, especially when +rebuilding qt3 with the devel package (and patching it accordingly it +seems) is such a trivial step compared to the relatively massive job of +the TDE itself. If TDE is going to be made available in Mageia directly +then by all means, qt3 will have to be patched and updated accordingly, +but it seems rather pre-emptive to get worried about something that +remains to be proven at the current time. Real reasons are better than +hypothetical ones. + +And if I'm honest, you've referred to other peoples opinions continually +as "non-objective" while I'm pretty sure all the reasons I've seen on +this thread (and my own feelings) are perfectly objective and logical +and I find it rather dismissive that someone should belittle others by +continually stating they are not. They are not non-objective, you just +happen not to agree with them! That's fine, you are perfectly within +your rights to disagree, just don't confuse the two. + +There is a very clear route forward and it's incredibly simple, just +rebuild your own QT3. As said above, if/when the whole of TDM goes into +Mageia, then the "official" qt3 can be adjusted as it's needed. + +It was Donald Knuth who said "Premature optimization is the root of all +evil", and the same can be said of "Speculative Packaging" IMO! + +Col + + + + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>] +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>] + PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>] + Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>] +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003681.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003691.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3690">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3690">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3690">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3690">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |