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Not even closed-source stuff that we can +</I>>>>>><i> redistribute. So if there is at this time, that's something to fix. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Most of files in kernel-firmware (which is in core) are not OSI/FSF free +</I>>>>><i> (approximate list from 2010 [1]). There was a short thread about that +</I>>>>><i> [2] where I asked the question if they should be moved to non-free due +</I>>>>><i> to them not being OSI/FSF free, and tmb agreed, while pterjan disagreed +</I>>>>><i> (saying BSD without source code (where a portion of the firmware files +</I>>>>><i> in question fall) is eligible for core). +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> [1] <A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php</A> +</I>>>>><i> [2] <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html</A> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Ah right, sorry for overlooking this. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So what do we do? amend core inclusion definition for that? or move +</I>>>><i> these to nonfree? (and at what cost?) topic for next Council meeting +</I>>>><i> to decide? would you like to write a summary for this in +</I>>>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions</A> +</I>>>><i> ? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Romain +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> fwiw, I think the best solution is to have an express policy to include +</I>>><i> such firmware in core. +</I>>><i> Without it, much hardware simply won't work. Firmware/drivers are +</I>>><i> essentially extensions to hardware, so that software can work with them. +</I>>><i> The hardware is changed, and firmware/drivers have to be changed to +</I>>><i> accommodate the hardware. +</I>>><i> These firmware/drivers provide an interface which allows (free) software +</I>>><i> to run. +</I>>><i> A practical solution, which doesn't hurt free software. +</I>>><i> The alternative is (free) software that doesn't run properly. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> my 2 cents :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sincerely, I would be more than happy than nVidia drivers went to core, +</I>><i> but I'm pragmatic. I can understand that moving only firmwares to +</I>><i> core, and leaving nVidia, ATI and other closed source drivers in non-free +</I>><i> can be a compromise solution. It's the difference between losing +</I>><i> 100% functionality of an important piece of hardware/system (network, +</I>><i> for example -now that I read the list in Anssi's mail, 80% of firmwares +</I>><i> in non-free are network- o fiber-channel), or getting a not so performant +</I>><i> system 'cause you dont have the binary drivers for your graphics card +</I>><i> (and I'm not aware of any other binary driver so popular/needed, nVidia +</I>><i> and ATI). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So in short, there are three important pieces of software: +</I>><i> - net/fc/radeon firmwares, mandatory for some free drivers +</I>><i> - nVidia/ATI binary drivers, wanted but optional, not mandatory +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Firmwares and drivers, they are different beasts for me. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And anyways, you already have firmwares in your hardware and in your +</I>><i> kernel which source you can't look at... +</I>><i> And cherry picking firmwares from standard kernel source looks like +</I>><i> madness for me. +</I> +ok. +My though was essentially that firmware is so close to hardware that its +actual free/non-free status shouldn't apply - we should treat it like +(almost) part of the hardware. + +As for the drivers, a little more distant from the hardware, they could +be in non-free, but I sincerely think that they should be on all +installation isos. +That is, on installing from an iso, all hardware-related functions +should (ideally) be fully functional, even if it requires using non-free +drivers. +The lack of some drivers (or components of drivers) can render a system +technically functional, but with important dysfunctions, simply because +the required drivers were not available on installation. +That should not happen. +The kernel, firmware and drivers, built on the hardware, provide a +platform on which the application software runs. +True, it is better if drivers are open source, but in my view, it is +application software where open source is the most important. + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003639.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3637">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3637">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3637">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3637">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |