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I can live without +nVidia drivers till I add non-free repos and reconfigure X after first boot, +but for that I _need networking_. + +I tried this on a laptop and on a non-wired desktop. In both cases the +wireless adapters were recognized, but were not activated because they +needed binary firmware blobs (intel for the laptop, Linksis PCI wifi +card for the desktop). The pain is that the desktop only network is +WiFi, no possibility to run a cable to my router from the opposite corner +of the house :(. So pick your USB stick and take a walk. + +I suppose the same problem will be very common, for laptops and desktops. + +Is there any possibility to include firmwares in the installed DVD ? +Could the rules be relaxed a bit or not ? + +If people have only one computer, routed via wifi, they are in trouble... + +As I said, you can live with free drivers for graphics, but you can't +without network :)). + +TIA + +-- +J.A. 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Past experience tells us this is a major hassle/pain, and we +</I>>>><i> shouldn't have to go back to that murky situation. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> That's not KDE3, it's a fork with new maintainers. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The point still stands, will Trinity be another DE? or will we have to +</I>><i> add conflicts in Trinity <-> KDE4 specs? +</I> +Trinity will be another DE + +><i> +</I>><i> If the latter, then I don't fancy adding the conflicts in each of the +</I>><i> various kde4 specs (having just removed them a few months ago, and +</I>><i> that took quite a lot of work), just to have another DE. +</I> +As I reiterate, Trinity does not interfere with KDE4 in any way, if +you keep /opt/kde3 + +><i> +</I>>>><i> Also there shouldn't be any qt3 dependant packages in the repos; the +</I>>>><i> only and sole reason qt3 is in the Mageia repos is that stewbintn said +</I>>>><i> he needs it for some LSB stuff, but nothing is built with qt3-devel as +</I>>>><i> BR AFAIK and nothing should be. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It should be ok to add back qt3-devel temporarily, and remove it again +</I>>><i> once Trinity gets ported to Qt4. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> Olivier Blin - blino +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Ahmad Samir +</I>><i> +</I> + + +-- +later, Robert Xu +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003617.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003557.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3556">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3556">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3556">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3556">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003557.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003557.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..404572de4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003557.html @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%20successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C1300924357.20983.26.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003556.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003561.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%20successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C1300924357.20983.26.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 00:52:37 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003556.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003561.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3557">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3557">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3557">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3557">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 23 mars 2011 à 19:39 -0400, Robert Xu a écrit : +><i> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 18:58, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I> +><i> > If the latter, then I don't fancy adding the conflicts in each of the +</I>><i> > various kde4 specs (having just removed them a few months ago, and +</I>><i> > that took quite a lot of work), just to have another DE. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As I reiterate, Trinity does not interfere with KDE4 in any way, if +</I>><i> you keep /opt/kde3 +</I> +So does that mean that it interfere if /usr is used ? + +Can you explain more details about this ? +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003556.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003561.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3557">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3557">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3557">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3557">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003558.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003558.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..94ac8bfb9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003558.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DvzeE%3DJ6p95%3D1Q6yLnDqpUDtxLRNKiYWKoe_8F%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003555.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003559.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DvzeE%3DJ6p95%3D1Q6yLnDqpUDtxLRNKiYWKoe_8F%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 01:38:41 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003555.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003559.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3558">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3558">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3558">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3558">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/24 JA Magallón <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>>: +><i> Hi... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> First of all, I have tried alpha2 on a couple systems, and apart from some +</I>><i> glitches it works pretty fine, I could even work regularly on it... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But there is just one thing that disappointed me. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It looks that there is no non-free soft in installer DVD. I can live without +</I>><i> nVidia drivers till I add non-free repos and reconfigure X after first boot, +</I>><i> but for that I _need networking_. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I tried this on a laptop and on a non-wired desktop. In both cases the +</I>><i> wireless adapters were recognized, but were not activated because they +</I>><i> needed binary firmware blobs (intel for the laptop, Linksis PCI wifi +</I>><i> card for the desktop). The pain is that the desktop only network is +</I>><i> WiFi, no possibility to run a cable to my router from the opposite corner +</I>><i> of the house :(. So pick your USB stick and take a walk. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I suppose the same problem will be very common, for laptops and desktops. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Is there any possibility to include firmwares in the installed DVD ? +</I>><i> Could the rules be relaxed a bit or not ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If people have only one computer, routed via wifi, they are in trouble... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As I said, you can live with free drivers for graphics, but you can't +</I>><i> without network :)). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> TIA +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> J.A. Magallon <jamagallon()ono!com>     \               Software is like sex: +</I>><i>                                         \         It's better when it's free +</I>><i> +</I> +Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware? + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003555.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003559.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3558">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3558">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3558">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3558">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003559.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003559.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1e7fc2b7d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003559.html @@ -0,0 +1,62 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik1WMjjBdX%2BBn-PGrNOo2RdfAuAY0ES6dq74L%2Bj%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003558.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003560.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Dexter Morgan</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik1WMjjBdX%2BBn-PGrNOo2RdfAuAY0ES6dq74L%2Bj%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">dmorganec at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 01:58:46 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003558.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003560.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3559">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3559">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3559">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3559">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware? +</I> +No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free" dvd iso, +and this question is i think interesting. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003558.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003560.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3559">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3559">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3559">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3559">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003560.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003560.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2f73f4d2e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003560.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimHWEWLWUxJ02Gk3gvAJrhr9rYVHg5QRVSO7rnw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003559.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003564.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimHWEWLWUxJ02Gk3gvAJrhr9rYVHg5QRVSO7rnw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 02:26:33 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003559.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003564.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3560">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3560">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3560">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3560">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free" dvd iso, +</I>><i> and this question is i think interesting. +</I>><i> +</I> +It can't be "free" and have "non-free" firmware... previously the +firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has been +changed in that regard (i.e. I didn't see the matter get discussed +yet). + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003559.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003564.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3560">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3560">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3560">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3560">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003561.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003561.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..093dca639 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003561.html @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C231a.4d8af164%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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I don't think so. Unless you think considerations about conflicts of TDE +with KDE4 are an "ideological argument based greatly on fear and paranoia". + +I do go along with the majority of people writing in this thread. We should +not have a DE conflicting with KDE4, we should not have packages or apps by the +same name. + +><i> The core packages are quite limited in number (6-7 SRPMS), but already +</I>><i> enable the use of TDE as desktop. +</I>As long as those packages (and all the others, that follow) are following the +packaging guidlines, are not conflicting with KDE4 apps and are named in a way +that users see, these are TDE packages, it's ok with me! + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003561.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003563.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3562">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3562">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3562">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3562">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003563.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003563.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ef5cc437e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003563.html @@ -0,0 +1,141 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C231d.4d8afd3d%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003562.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003599.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C231d.4d8afd3d%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 09:13:53 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003562.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003599.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3563">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3563">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3563">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3563">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Oliver Burger wrote on Thu, 24 March 2011 08:53 +><i> +</I>><i> Am Donnerstag 24 März 2011, 08:23:18 schrieb Tux99: +</I>><i> > I think this thread is starting to derail from a simple technical +</I>><i> > question +</I>><i> > limted to a specific issue (reenabling qt-dev) to an ideological +</I>><i> > argument +</I>><i> > based greatly on fear and paranoia. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It is? I don't think so. Unless you think considerations about +</I>><i> conflicts of TDE +</I>><i> with KDE4 are an "ideological argument based greatly on fear and +</I>><i> paranoia". +</I> +But that's exactly my point, there is posts about fear/paranoia of +conflicts here in this thread, not a factual argument on real existing +conflicts. +Like I said before, KDE3.5 coexisted very well with KDE4 since 2009.1 on +Mandriva and Trinity is even more so being developed with coexistence in +mind, so there shouldn't be any unsolvable issues. + +But again my point is issues should be debated constructively and factually +when they are being encountered, not a whole software package being +dismissed in advance out of general fear and paranoia. + +><i> > The core packages are quite limited in number (6-7 SRPMS), but +</I>><i> > already +</I>><i> > enable the use of TDE as desktop. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As long as those packages (and all the others, that follow) are +</I>><i> following the +</I>><i> packaging guidlines, are not conflicting with KDE4 apps and are named +</I>><i> in a way +</I>><i> that users see, these are TDE packages, it's ok with me! +</I> +This is exactly what I would call a reasonable factual argumentation. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003562.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003599.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3563">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3563">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3563">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3563">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003564.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003564.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5ec8d048a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003564.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimanDfq-PUwS6%3DhPwmY7ZcoQkqmMyCnJKnPMVmu%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003560.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003566.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimanDfq-PUwS6%3DhPwmY7ZcoQkqmMyCnJKnPMVmu%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 09:57:17 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003560.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003566.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3564">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3564">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3564">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3564">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free" dvd iso, +</I>>><i> and this question is i think interesting. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It can't be "free" and have "non-free" firmware... previously the +</I>><i> firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has been +</I>><i> changed in that regard (i.e. I didn't see the matter get discussed +</I>><i> yet). +</I> +Correct. It's the same dilemma you have in Mandriva. You either need a +cable attached to use the free edition or you have to use the "ONE +Edition" and install all the needed software later (ex: +system-config-printer, which is not on the ONE cds). If you want to +have a free distribution there's no way around this as long as there +is the need for non-free firmware to use certain hardware. + +A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a non-free +"driver cd ISO" which they could include in the installation process. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003560.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003566.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3564">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3564">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3564">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3564">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003565.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003565.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5b25a8342 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003565.html @@ -0,0 +1,128 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Gstreamer%20pfl%20codecs/plugins&In-Reply-To=%3C231f.4d8b0b92%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003623.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003602.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Gstreamer%20pfl%20codecs/plugins&In-Reply-To=%3C231f.4d8b0b92%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 10:14:59 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003623.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003602.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3565">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3565">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3565">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3565">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Balcaen John wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 17:41 +><i> +</I>><i> Le Thursday 10 March 2011 12:19:52, Tux99 a écrit : +</I>><i> > The same question also applies to mplayer, which I just noticed +</I>><i> > also +</I>><i> > doesn't include codecs like h.264 and aac. +</I>><i> For the moment there's a work in progress regarding the BS so the +</I>><i> package can +</I>><i> be automatically build for core/release & tainted/release on the same +</I>><i> submission. +</I> +Can you (or anyone) tell us when the build system will be ready to deal +with source packages that generate both core and tainted binary packages? 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I am not sure anything has been +</I>>><i> changed in that regard (i.e. I didn't see the matter get discussed +</I>>><i> yet). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Correct. It's the same dilemma you have in Mandriva. You either need a +</I>><i> cable attached to use the free edition or you have to use the "ONE +</I>><i> Edition" and install all the needed software later (ex: +</I>><i> system-config-printer, which is not on the ONE cds). If you want to +</I>><i> have a free distribution there's no way around this as long as there +</I>><i> is the need for non-free firmware to use certain hardware. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a non-free +</I>><i> "driver cd ISO" which they could include in the installation process. +</I>><i> +</I> +This is actually a very good idea, and already supported by the +installer, so it should work nicely... + +I think this is the way to do it... + +-- +Thomas +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003564.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003567.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3566">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3566">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3566">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3566">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003567.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003567.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..05fad8f8c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003567.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin%2BH4Znj35K_ZJ4xT6u-yM2KM4W5ShevHJjPRq%3D%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003566.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003569.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin%2BH4Znj35K_ZJ4xT6u-yM2KM4W5ShevHJjPRq%3D%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 10:22:45 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003566.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003569.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3567">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3567">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3567">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3567">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/24 Thomas Backlund <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at iki.fi</A>>: +><i> Wolfgang Bornath skrev 24.3.2011 10:57: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> It can't be "free" and have "non-free" firmware... previously the +</I>>>><i> firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has been +</I>>>><i> changed in that regard (i.e. I didn't see the matter get discussed +</I>>>><i> yet). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Correct. It's the same dilemma you have in Mandriva. You either need a +</I>>><i> cable attached to use the free edition or you have to use the "ONE +</I>>><i> Edition" and install all the needed software later (ex: +</I>>><i> system-config-printer, which is not on the ONE cds). If you want to +</I>>><i> have a free distribution there's no way around this as long as there +</I>>><i> is the need for non-free firmware to use certain hardware. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a non-free +</I>>><i> "driver cd ISO" which they could include in the installation process. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is actually a very good idea, and already supported by the installer, +</I>><i> so it should work nicely... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think this is the way to do it... +</I> +I'll open an "enhancement" bug for that. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003566.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003569.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3567">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3567">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3567">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3567">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003568.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003568.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..132bfe22a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003568.html @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C20110324093125.GZ21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003634.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003572.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C20110324093125.GZ21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 10:31:25 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003634.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003572.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3568">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3568">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3568">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3568">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Robert Xu wrote: + +><i> +</I>><i> As I reiterate, Trinity does not interfere with KDE4 in any way, if +</I>><i> you keep /opt/kde3 +</I> +Are you sure ? + +For libs installed in /opt/kde3/lib, rpm find-provides will add the +provides for the libs on the packages. When an other package require +this library, it will give the choice to install the Trinity package and +some people will do it. + +Then there is two options : + - /opt/kde3/lib is not in ld.so.conf, and the programs using this lib + will not run + - /opt/kde3/lib is in ld.so.conf, so the programs using this lib will + run, but we can have two versions of the lib installed, one in /usr/lib + and one in /opt/kde3/lib, and we don't know which one will be used, so + we can see various strange problems. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003634.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003572.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3568">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3568">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3568">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3568">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003569.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003569.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..15beaf6d6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003569.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikBcZVMBOT7VOdBkiVfGF-i3ZUuudCWOisxGhos%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003567.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003570.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Donald Stewart</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikBcZVMBOT7VOdBkiVfGF-i3ZUuudCWOisxGhos%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">watersnowrock at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 10:39:14 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003567.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003570.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3569">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3569">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3569">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3569">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 24 March 2011 05:22, Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> 2011/3/24 Thomas Backlund <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at iki.fi</A>>: +</I>>><i> Wolfgang Bornath skrev 24.3.2011 10:57: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> 2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> It can't be "free" and have "non-free" firmware... previously the +</I>>>>><i> firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has been +</I>>>>><i> changed in that regard (i.e. I didn't see the matter get discussed +</I>>>>><i> yet). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Correct. It's the same dilemma you have in Mandriva. You either need a +</I>>>><i> cable attached to use the free edition or you have to use the "ONE +</I>>>><i> Edition" and install all the needed software later (ex: +</I>>>><i> system-config-printer, which is not on the ONE cds). If you want to +</I>>>><i> have a free distribution there's no way around this as long as there +</I>>>><i> is the need for non-free firmware to use certain hardware. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a non-free +</I>>>><i> "driver cd ISO" which they could include in the installation process. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> This is actually a very good idea, and already supported by the installer, +</I>>><i> so it should work nicely... +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I think this is the way to do it... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'll open an "enhancement" bug for that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I> +I've never installed with more than one cd, but from memory, the +installer asks for extra media, surely if your installing from the +free dvd and have to eject it to add a non-free cd then that would +cause problems, or have I misunderstood? + +If I've misunderstood, this would be really great. An extra thing +would be a plug in that the installer could download for you +containing the non-free stuff. Quite often I install new stuff on my +laptop close to a wire, then take it out with me and thats when I need +the wireless stuff. Not to mention non-free graphics drivers on +desktops that have a wired connection having to be installed and set +up post install. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003567.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003570.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3569">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3569">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3569">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3569">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003570.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003570.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..489642cbc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003570.html @@ -0,0 +1,62 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DivcHGGxFiEBZSgY_s%3DrgqoL7Nzy%2BhuoBU29dj%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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I am not sure anything has been +</I>><i> changed in that regard (i.e. I didn't see the matter get discussed +</I>><i> yet). +</I> +They were also on the PowerPack images, and they are installed +automatically over a network install + +-- +Olivier Blin - blino +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003589.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003573.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3571">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3571">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3571">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3571">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003572.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003572.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b251557fd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003572.html @@ -0,0 +1,126 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3Cm37hboeta5.fsf%40blino.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003568.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003609.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Olivier Blin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3Cm37hboeta5.fsf%40blino.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">mageia at blino.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 10:56:18 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003568.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003609.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3572">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3572">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3572">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3572">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>nicolas vigier <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>> writes: + +><i> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Robert Xu wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> As I reiterate, Trinity does not interfere with KDE4 in any way, if +</I>>><i> you keep /opt/kde3 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Are you sure ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For libs installed in /opt/kde3/lib, rpm find-provides will add the +</I>><i> provides for the libs on the packages. When an other package require +</I>><i> this library, it will give the choice to install the Trinity package and +</I>><i> some people will do it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then there is two options : +</I>><i> - /opt/kde3/lib is not in ld.so.conf, and the programs using this lib +</I>><i> will not run +</I>><i> - /opt/kde3/lib is in ld.so.conf, so the programs using this lib will +</I>><i> run, but we can have two versions of the lib installed, one in /usr/lib +</I>><i> and one in /opt/kde3/lib, and we don't know which one will be used, so +</I>><i> we can see various strange problems. +</I> +This should not be an issue if the libraries from Trinity and KDE4 have +different majors + +-- +Olivier Blin - blino +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003568.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003609.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3572">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3572">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3572">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3572">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003573.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003573.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..92e089c8d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003573.html @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinO%3DEHUZ%2BgzzYnBFTqOFbrjZ9HOuK72Kw9e0u%2Bx%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003571.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003575.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinO%3DEHUZ%2BgzzYnBFTqOFbrjZ9HOuK72Kw9e0u%2Bx%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 11:13:16 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003571.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003575.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3573">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3573">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3573">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3573">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/24 Olivier Blin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>>: +><i> Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> writes: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free" dvd iso, +</I>>>><i> and this question is i think interesting. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It can't be "free" and have "non-free" firmware... previously the +</I>>><i> firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has been +</I>>><i> changed in that regard (i.e. I didn't see the matter get discussed +</I>>><i> yet). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> They were also on the PowerPack images, and they are installed +</I>><i> automatically over a network install +</I> +But to be installed via network you have to have a network connection +first, n'est-ce pas? +That's what this thread is about. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003571.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003575.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3573">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3573">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3573">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3573">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003574.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003574.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d7c224808 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003574.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B19DF.2020109%40gmx.de%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003581.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003576.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Thorsten van Lil</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B19DF.2020109%40gmx.de%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">tvl83 at gmx.de + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 11:15:59 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003581.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003576.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3574">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3574">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3574">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3574">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: +><i> 2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free" dvd iso, +</I>>>><i> and this question is i think interesting. +</I>>>><i> +</I>><i> A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a non-free +</I>><i> "driver cd ISO" which they could include in the installation process. +</I>><i> +</I> +What about a DVD including non-free packages but has the option to not +install them? +I think the majority of the users don't care that much about proprietary +issues, they just need them for using there wireless card or graphic +card. Those how do care can just uncheck the non-free part of the DVD. :) + +Regards, +Thorsten + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003581.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003576.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3574">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3574">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3574">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3574">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003575.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003575.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..14b6fa0b3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003575.html @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3Cm339mces9w.fsf%40blino.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003573.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003611.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Olivier Blin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3Cm339mces9w.fsf%40blino.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">mageia at blino.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 11:18:03 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003573.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003611.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3575">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3575">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3575">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3575">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> writes: + +>>><i> It can't be "free" and have "non-free" firmware... previously the +</I>>>><i> firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has been +</I>>>><i> changed in that regard (i.e. I didn't see the matter get discussed +</I>>>><i> yet). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> They were also on the PowerPack images, and they are installed +</I>>><i> automatically over a network install +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But to be installed via network you have to have a network connection +</I>><i> first, n'est-ce pas? +</I>><i> That's what this thread is about. +</I> +It is now also about "in which media should we include non-free +packages?" :) + +-- +Olivier Blin - blino +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003573.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003611.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3575">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3575">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3575">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3575">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003576.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003576.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f0dcf22fe --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003576.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimP%3DzgFPM7GB5x%2BmH3LxhKjdDwoLOFRD5KL54Kr%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003574.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003577.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Anne nicolas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimP%3DzgFPM7GB5x%2BmH3LxhKjdDwoLOFRD5KL54Kr%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">ennael1 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 11:23:54 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003574.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003577.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3576">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3576">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3576">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3576">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/24 Thorsten van Lil <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>>: +><i> Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>>  wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> +</I>>>>><i>  wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free" dvd iso, +</I>>>>><i> and this question is i think interesting. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>><i> A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a non-free +</I>>><i> "driver cd ISO" which they could include in the installation process. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What about a DVD including non-free packages but has the option to not +</I>><i> install them? +</I>><i> I think the majority of the users don't care that much about proprietary +</I>><i> issues, they just need them for using there wireless card or graphic card. +</I>><i> Those how do care can just uncheck the non-free part of the DVD. :) +</I> + +The problem really is to now what is this majority :). SPeaking +without figures is a bit tricky. I guess Romain will propose some +investigations on this so that we can find the best solution for end +users and advanced users. + +><i> +</I>><i> Regards, +</I>><i> Thorsten +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> + + +-- +Anne +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003574.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003577.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3576">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3576">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3576">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3576">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003577.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003577.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..df7933fed --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003577.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3Cm3y644dcrf.fsf%40blino.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003576.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003579.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Olivier Blin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3Cm3y644dcrf.fsf%40blino.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">mageia at blino.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 11:38:28 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003576.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003579.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3577">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3577">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3577">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3577">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Thorsten van Lil <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>> writes: + +><i> Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: +</I>>><i> 2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>>><i> On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free" dvd iso, +</I>>>>><i> and this question is i think interesting. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>><i> A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a non-free +</I>>><i> "driver cd ISO" which they could include in the installation process. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What about a DVD including non-free packages but has the option to not +</I>><i> install them? +</I>><i> I think the majority of the users don't care that much about +</I>><i> proprietary issues, they just need them for using there wireless card +</I>><i> or graphic card. Those how do care can just uncheck the non-free part +</I>><i> of the DVD. :) +</I> +Yep, it could just be an option. The desktop selection step seems to be a +good place in the installer to include it, it is visible enough, and +right before packages installation. Though it would have to be renamed. + +We could have a checkbox "Install proprietary drivers if needed +(non-free software)", ticked by default. + +-- +Olivier Blin - blino +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003576.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003579.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3577">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3577">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3577">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3577">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003578.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003578.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4430e69c0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003578.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim_%2B4ntY2ho4oaCrnZaOjWt_P%3DW-bOShFC5%3D4Dm%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003601.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003580.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim_%2B4ntY2ho4oaCrnZaOjWt_P%3DW-bOShFC5%3D4Dm%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 11:39:14 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003601.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003580.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3578">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3578">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3578">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3578">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/24 Thorsten van Lil <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> What about a DVD including non-free packages but has the option to not +</I>><i> install them? +</I>><i> I think the majority of the users don't care that much about proprietary +</I>><i> issues, they just need them for using there wireless card or graphic card. +</I>><i> Those how do care can just uncheck the non-free part of the DVD. :) +</I> +Well, this would be the "opt-out" version. If ever we include non-free +software in an ISO we should at least use an "opt-in" approach, like +the graphic configuration does. It asks "There is a non-free driver, +do you want it then say 'yes' ". + +But I don't think it would be a good idea to include non-free contents +in the distribution ISOs at all. That this assumed majority does not +care about the issue does not mean we should not care either. We +should rather stress the point. + +We already made such a difference by using different repositories, we +not continue this in our "product line"? We use a different repo for +non-free, we also should use a different ISO for non-free. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003601.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003580.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3578">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3578">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3578">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3578">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003579.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003579.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1e357afe7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003579.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DTX6LG%2B_Pybnv5wB_TQ6kQ-L7%2Bt5k1iz8utSPD%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003577.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003620.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DTX6LG%2B_Pybnv5wB_TQ6kQ-L7%2Bt5k1iz8utSPD%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 11:42:47 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003577.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003620.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3579">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3579">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3579">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3579">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/24 Olivier Blin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>>: +><i> Thorsten van Lil <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>> writes: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: +</I>>>><i> 2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>>>><i> On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>>  wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>  wrote: +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware? +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free" dvd iso, +</I>>>>>><i> and this question is i think interesting. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a non-free +</I>>>><i> "driver cd ISO" which they could include in the installation process. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> What about a DVD including non-free packages but has the option to not +</I>>><i> install them? +</I>>><i> I think the majority of the users don't care that much about +</I>>><i> proprietary issues, they just need them for using there wireless card +</I>>><i> or graphic card. Those how do care can just uncheck the non-free part +</I>>><i> of the DVD. :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yep, it could just be an option. The desktop selection step seems to be a +</I>><i> good place in the installer to include it, it is visible enough, and +</I>><i> right before packages installation. Though it would have to be renamed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We could have a checkbox "Install proprietary drivers if needed +</I>><i> (non-free software)", ticked by default. +</I> +Are you aware that this would mean that Mageia is not a "free +distribution" as planned? No matter how you phrase the question and +how many checkboxes a user would have to check, if non-free contents +is included in an ISO it is not a free ISO anymore. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003577.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003620.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3579">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3579">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3579">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3579">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003580.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003580.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e65829128 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003580.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DQbYm3O-ncNJ5p65fEh9%3Dd%3DJrj%3DUafsn%2B-BFCp%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003578.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003583.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Rémi Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DQbYm3O-ncNJ5p65fEh9%3Dd%3DJrj%3DUafsn%2B-BFCp%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">rverschelde at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 11:43:57 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003578.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003583.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3580">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3580">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3580">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3580">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/24 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> We already made such a difference by using different repositories, we +</I>><i> not continue this in our "product line"? We use a different repo for +</I>><i> non-free, we also should use a different ISO for non-free. +</I>><i> +</I> +That's what I was thinking about. Could it be possible to have a +"free" ISO and a "non-free" ISO? (although we should not advertise it +this way, for "Mageia 1 Non-Free" isn't very glamorous). +I'm not really knowledgeable on this matter so there may be inherent +problems to that solution. + +Regards, +Rémi +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003578.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003583.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3580">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3580">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3580">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3580">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003581.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003581.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7fb901956 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003581.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B2161.7050109%40iki.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003570.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003574.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Thomas Backlund</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B2161.7050109%40iki.fi%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">tmb at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 11:48:01 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003570.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003574.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3581">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3581">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3581">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3581">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Donald Stewart skrev 24.3.2011 11:39: +><i> +</I>><i> I've never installed with more than one cd, but from memory, the +</I>><i> installer asks for extra media, surely if your installing from the +</I>><i> free dvd and have to eject it to add a non-free cd then that would +</I>><i> cause problems, or have I misunderstood? +</I> +Nope, +Installer will only ask you to switch media when needed, and then continue. + +><i> If I've misunderstood, this would be really great. An extra thing +</I>><i> would be a plug in that the installer could download for you +</I>><i> containing the non-free stuff. Quite often I install new stuff on my +</I>><i> laptop close to a wire, then take it out with me and thats when I need +</I>><i> the wireless stuff. Not to mention non-free graphics drivers on +</I>><i> desktops that have a wired connection having to be installed and set +</I>><i> up post install. +</I> +It already can if you add network medias during install, +but in order to pull anything from the net, you need the firmware +(if you have a nic/wifi that needs it) + +-- +thomas +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003570.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003574.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3581">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3581">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3581">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3581">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003582.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003582.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ad4ef2f63 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003582.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikP7GYjg0GFCYjBJLozM4dA5vS7NhTpb%2BkCNzbi%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003586.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003587.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikP7GYjg0GFCYjBJLozM4dA5vS7NhTpb%2BkCNzbi%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 11:48:22 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003586.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003587.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3582">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3582">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3582">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3582">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:39, Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> But I don't think it would be a good idea to include non-free contents +</I>><i> in the distribution ISOs at all. That this assumed majority does not +</I>><i> care about the issue does not mean we should not care either. We +</I>><i> should rather stress the point. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We already made such a difference by using different repositories, we +</I>><i> not continue this in our "product line"? We use a different repo for +</I>><i> non-free, we also should use a different ISO for non-free. +</I> +Well, that's precisely debatable (and why I'll try to setup a relevant +survey through marcom). The ISO can be seen as a static commodity +storage; that it holds core and nonfree makes no such difference as +that those two media are available from the network without +discrimination. + +So yes, the ISO in itself would not be free anymore; but as long as +the install process does not pick into the nonfree media unless the +user asks to, what does it make an issue (not that I have no idea +about that, just that I'd like to see it expressed again from a +different POV of mine - and that will help for the survey definition +too). + +And that would make the case for a consistent installing experience +that, no matter you're doing an exclusively ISO-based install or a +network-based install, you get through the same steps (with a +consistent opt-in or opt-out, clearly explained). It would only happen +that non-free media is available locally if asked for. + +The alternative, if we're not to mix things on the static media, is to +have distinct ISOs: free and nonfree/tainted ones. Times the format: +DVD/CD/arch/USB through which we would have to decide to ease: +building, qa and distribution (we will have to choose a default one to +provide to visitors on the download page for instance). + + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003586.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003587.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3582">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3582">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3582">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3582">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003583.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003583.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b4a55e7ef --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003583.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C201103241149.34287.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003580.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003586.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C201103241149.34287.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 11:49:33 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003580.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003586.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3583">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3583">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3583">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3583">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Am Donnerstag 24 März 2011, 11:43:57 schrieb Rémi Verschelde: +><i> 2011/3/24 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > We already made such a difference by using different repositories, we +</I>><i> > not continue this in our "product line"? We use a different repo for +</I>><i> > non-free, we also should use a different ISO for non-free. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's what I was thinking about. Could it be possible to have a +</I>><i> "free" ISO and a "non-free" ISO? (although we should not advertise it +</I>><i> this way, for "Mageia 1 Non-Free" isn't very glamorous). +</I>><i> I'm not really knowledgeable on this matter so there may be inherent +</I>><i> problems to that solution. +</I>><i> +</I>If I'm not mistaken, Debian squeeze doesn't put any nonfree things on it's ISO +at all, but you can put an archive containing them on an usb key and the +installer looks for it and installs them, when they are present. I think, that +is an elegant way, isn't it? + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003580.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003586.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3583">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3583">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3583">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3583">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003584.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003584.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..319292880 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003584.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C1300963986.30842.24.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003610.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003593.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C1300963986.30842.24.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 11:53:06 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003610.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003593.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3584">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3584">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3584">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3584">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 24 mars 2011 à 11:15 +0100, Thorsten van Lil a écrit : +><i> Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: +</I>><i> > 2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> >> On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> >>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> >>>> +</I>><i> >>>> Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware? +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free" dvd iso, +</I>><i> >>> and this question is i think interesting. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> > A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a non-free +</I>><i> > "driver cd ISO" which they could include in the installation process. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What about a DVD including non-free packages but has the option to not +</I>><i> install them? +</I>><i> I think the majority of the users don't care that much about proprietary +</I>><i> issues, they just need them for using there wireless card or graphic +</I>><i> card. Those how do care can just uncheck the non-free part of the DVD. :) +</I> +Well, personally, then I would just continue to use Fedora or others +distribution on my computers, and keep Mageia just for the servers of +the project. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003610.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003593.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3584">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3584">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3584">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3584">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003585.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003585.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e4d1597b5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003585.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B2297.9010807%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003636.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003589.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B2297.9010807%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 11:53:11 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003636.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003589.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3585">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3585">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3585">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3585">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 03/24/2011 04:57 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a non-free +</I>><i> "driver cd ISO" which they could include in the installation process. +</I>><i> +</I> +Excellent suggestion, and it dovetails with another problem: being able +to do a network install over a wireless connection. If there were an +optional non-free "network" ISO supported by the install stage 1, that +would address both issues, no ? +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003636.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003589.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3585">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3585">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3585">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3585">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003586.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003586.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..83e813c77 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003586.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin%2BtGzXa5WwThPt0DwQUaeQzckXtQvjagGXM_CC%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003583.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003582.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin%2BtGzXa5WwThPt0DwQUaeQzckXtQvjagGXM_CC%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 11:54:07 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003583.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003582.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3586">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3586">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3586">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3586">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/24 Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>>: +><i> Am Donnerstag 24 März 2011, 11:43:57 schrieb Rémi Verschelde: +</I>>><i> 2011/3/24 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> > We already made such a difference by using different repositories, we +</I>>><i> > not continue this in our "product line"? We use a different repo for +</I>>><i> > non-free, we also should use a different ISO for non-free. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> That's what I was thinking about. Could it be possible to have a +</I>>><i> "free" ISO and a "non-free" ISO? (although we should not advertise it +</I>>><i> this way, for "Mageia 1 Non-Free" isn't very glamorous). +</I>>><i> I'm not really knowledgeable on this matter so there may be inherent +</I>>><i> problems to that solution. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> If I'm not mistaken, Debian squeeze doesn't put any nonfree things on it's ISO +</I>><i> at all, but you can put an archive containing them on an usb key and the +</I>><i> installer looks for it and installs them, when they are present. I think, that +</I>><i> is an elegant way, isn't it? +</I> +Well, that's exactly what I suggested in the beginning: a small +dualarch ISO with the non-free stuff to be used additionally during +installation (and later). + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003583.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003582.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3586">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3586">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3586">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3586">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003587.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003587.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4453cf04d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003587.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D8Jg0Kpa4hCnnRKgjixT1cEJEEmEZG%2BWU5ezz0%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003582.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003588.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D8Jg0Kpa4hCnnRKgjixT1cEJEEmEZG%2BWU5ezz0%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 12:03:08 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003582.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003588.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3587">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3587">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3587">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3587">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/24 Romain d'Alverny <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Well, that's precisely debatable (and why I'll try to setup a relevant +</I>><i> survey through marcom). The ISO can be seen as a static commodity +</I>><i> storage; that it holds core and nonfree makes no such difference as +</I>><i> that those two media are available from the network without +</I>><i> discrimination. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So yes, the ISO in itself would not be free anymore; but as long as +</I>><i> the install process does not pick into the nonfree media unless the +</I>><i> user asks to, what does it make an issue (not that I have no idea +</I>><i> about that, just that I'd like to see it expressed again from a +</I>><i> different POV of mine - and that will help for the survey definition +</I>><i> too). +</I> +In the public appearance this would make a difference. As soon as +there is non-free contents on the ISO it is a non-free ISO. That we +provide non-free on the mirrors doesn't make Mageia a non-free distro, +only what we offer as "products". +That's why I also don't like the idea to have a free ISO and an ISO +including core & non-free. + +><i> The alternative, if we're not to mix things on the static media, is to +</I>><i> have distinct ISOs: free and nonfree/tainted ones. Times the format: +</I>><i> DVD/CD/arch/USB through which we would have to decide to ease: +</I>><i> building, qa and distribution (we will have to choose a default one to +</I>><i> provide to visitors on the download page for instance). +</I> +No. As I already wrote: a small dualarch "driver ISO" is all that's needed. +No issue about what kind of distro Mageia supplies, no issue about +build efforts. + +Plus the benefit of making the user aware of the difference. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003582.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003588.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3587">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3587">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3587">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3587">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003588.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003588.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2543c0e15 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003588.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimKGd%3DkeNTFLsrj8z6-eMJvWP7J_AKPggN5fC6V%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003587.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003592.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimKGd%3DkeNTFLsrj8z6-eMJvWP7J_AKPggN5fC6V%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 12:12:50 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003587.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003592.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3588">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3588">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3588">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3588">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:03, Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> In the public appearance this would make a difference. As soon as +</I>><i> there is non-free contents on the ISO it is a non-free ISO. That we +</I>><i> provide non-free on the mirrors doesn't make Mageia a non-free distro, +</I>><i> only what we offer as "products". +</I> +Yes. + +><i> That's why I also don't like the idea to have a free ISO and an ISO +</I>><i> including core & non-free. +</I> +Why not? (genuine question - that was what Powerpack used to be - and +there are places where shipping a DVD is still more affordable than +getting it through the wire). + +><i> No. As I already wrote: a small dualarch "driver ISO" is all that's needed. +</I>><i> No issue about what kind of distro Mageia supplies, no issue about +</I>><i> build efforts. +</I> +Ok. + + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003587.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003592.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3588">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3588">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3588">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3588">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003589.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003589.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..eb0afcad8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003589.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C201103241312.43613.bgmilne%40staff.telkomsa.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003585.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003571.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C201103241312.43613.bgmilne%40staff.telkomsa.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 12:12:42 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003585.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003571.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3589">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3589">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3589">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3589">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thursday, 24 March 2011 10:57:17 Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> 2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> +</I>wrote: +><i> >>> Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware? +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free" dvd iso, +</I>><i> >> and this question is i think interesting. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > It can't be "free" and have "non-free" firmware... previously the +</I>><i> > firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has been +</I>><i> > changed in that regard (i.e. I didn't see the matter get discussed +</I>><i> > yet). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Correct. It's the same dilemma you have in Mandriva. You either need a +</I>><i> cable attached to use the free edition or you have to use the "ONE +</I>><i> Edition" and install all the needed software later (ex: +</I>><i> system-config-printer, which is not on the ONE cds). +</I> +Or, you use Powerpack DVD. + +The question is, should there be a Mageia equivalent? + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003585.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003571.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3589">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3589">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3589">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3589">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003590.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003590.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..23b89401e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003590.html @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B2899.9080706%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003605.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003594.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?</H1> + <B>Colin Guthrie</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B2899.9080706%40colin.guthr.ie%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?">mageia at colin.guthr.ie + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 12:18:49 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003605.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003594.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3590">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3590">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3590">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3590">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 23/03/11 21:38 did gyre and gimble: +><i> I updated cauldron this morning, and later rebooted my desktop. My +</I>><i> r8169 on eth0 is suddenly having problems, maybe due to the new kernel. +</I> +There should be a new kernel later today (or maybe tomorrow). Fingers +crossed that will help. + +Col + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>] +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>] + PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>] + Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>] +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003605.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003594.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3590">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3590">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3590">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3590">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003591.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003591.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..33d1f45bf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003591.html @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C201103241322.45309.bgmilne%40staff.telkomsa.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003592.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003625.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C201103241322.45309.bgmilne%40staff.telkomsa.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 12:22:44 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003592.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003625.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3591">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3591">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3591">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3591">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thursday, 24 March 2011 12:48:22 Romain d'Alverny wrote: +><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:39, Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>wrote: +><i> > But I don't think it would be a good idea to include non-free contents +</I>><i> > in the distribution ISOs at all. That this assumed majority does not +</I>><i> > care about the issue does not mean we should not care either. We +</I>><i> > should rather stress the point. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > We already made such a difference by using different repositories, we +</I>><i> > not continue this in our "product line"? We use a different repo for +</I>><i> > non-free, we also should use a different ISO for non-free. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, that's precisely debatable (and why I'll try to setup a relevant +</I>><i> survey through marcom). The ISO can be seen as a static commodity +</I>><i> storage; that it holds core and nonfree makes no such difference as +</I>><i> that those two media are available from the network without +</I>><i> discrimination. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So yes, the ISO in itself would not be free anymore; but as long as +</I>><i> the install process does not pick into the nonfree media unless the +</I>><i> user asks to, what does it make an issue (not that I have no idea +</I>><i> about that, just that I'd like to see it expressed again from a +</I>><i> different POV of mine - and that will help for the survey definition +</I>><i> too). +</I> +The question is, why do we want to have a free distribution? What are suitable +guidelines? + +The users who want a Free distribution, would probably choose one that adheres +to the FSF free distribution guidelines: + +<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html">http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html</A> + +I think we already don't meet them, with or without a Free DVD, even if we +were to remove non-free firmware in the kernel, because we have non-free +repos. + + +><i> +</I>><i> And that would make the case for a consistent installing experience +</I>><i> that, no matter you're doing an exclusively ISO-based install or a +</I>><i> network-based install, you get through the same steps (with a +</I>><i> consistent opt-in or opt-out, clearly explained). It would only happen +</I>><i> that non-free media is available locally if asked for. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The alternative, if we're not to mix things on the static media, is to +</I>><i> have distinct ISOs: free and nonfree/tainted ones. Times the format: +</I>><i> DVD/CD/arch/USB through which we would have to decide to ease: +</I>><i> building, qa and distribution (we will have to choose a default one to +</I>><i> provide to visitors on the download page for instance). +</I> +Is there a real benefit? Or, is usability more important? Or, do we want to +discuss with FSF the guidelines and whether it is possible for a distribution +project to both meet their guidelines (e.g., if user chooses X media, they +will never be prompted for non-free software, repositories etc.) and be useful +for real-world-users who can't always choose hardware based on open-ness +alone? + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003592.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003625.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3591">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3591">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3591">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3591">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003592.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003592.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..995d83723 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003592.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C201103241325.06159.bgmilne%40staff.telkomsa.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003588.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003591.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C201103241325.06159.bgmilne%40staff.telkomsa.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 12:25:05 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003588.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003591.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3592">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3592">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3592">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3592">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thursday, 24 March 2011 13:03:08 Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> 2011/3/24 Romain d'Alverny <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > Well, that's precisely debatable (and why I'll try to setup a relevant +</I>><i> > survey through marcom). The ISO can be seen as a static commodity +</I>><i> > storage; that it holds core and nonfree makes no such difference as +</I>><i> > that those two media are available from the network without +</I>><i> > discrimination. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So yes, the ISO in itself would not be free anymore; but as long as +</I>><i> > the install process does not pick into the nonfree media unless the +</I>><i> > user asks to, what does it make an issue (not that I have no idea +</I>><i> > about that, just that I'd like to see it expressed again from a +</I>><i> > different POV of mine - and that will help for the survey definition +</I>><i> > too). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In the public appearance this would make a difference. As soon as +</I>><i> there is non-free contents on the ISO it is a non-free ISO. That we +</I>><i> provide non-free on the mirrors doesn't make Mageia a non-free distro, +</I>><i> only what we offer as "products". +</I> +According to which definition/guidelines? + +According to FSF, we are probably currently non-free. + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003588.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003591.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3592">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3592">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3592">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3592">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003593.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003593.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6d312b250 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003593.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B307D.2010809%40gmx.de%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003584.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003596.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Thorsten van Lil</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B307D.2010809%40gmx.de%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">tvl83 at gmx.de + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 12:52:29 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003584.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003596.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3593">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3593">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3593">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3593">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Am 24.03.2011 11:53, schrieb Michael Scherer: +><i> Le jeudi 24 mars 2011 à 11:15 +0100, Thorsten van Lil a écrit : +</I>>><i> What about a DVD including non-free packages but has the option to not +</I>>><i> install them? +</I>>><i> I think the majority of the users don't care that much about proprietary +</I>>><i> issues, they just need them for using there wireless card or graphic +</I>>><i> card. Those how do care can just uncheck the non-free part of the DVD. :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, personally, then I would just continue to use Fedora or others +</I>><i> distribution on my computers, and keep Mageia just for the servers of +</I>><i> the project. +</I>><i> +</I> +Why? +I respect those who don't want to use non-free software, so this +shouldn't be a discussion about ideology. But I don't see a real +difference between an free-iso + an extra iso for non-free and an iso +where non-free is in an extra directory and can be used if the user +wants to. +The only difference I see is, like wobo said, the public perception but +this couldn't be your trigger? + +Regards, +Thorsten +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003584.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003596.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3593">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3593">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3593">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3593">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003594.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003594.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..205b22a91 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003594.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B3137.8070905%40iki.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003590.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003595.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?</H1> + <B>Thomas Backlund</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B3137.8070905%40iki.fi%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?">tmb at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 12:55:35 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003590.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003595.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3594">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3594">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3594">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3594">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Colin Guthrie skrev 24.3.2011 13:18: +><i> 'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 23/03/11 21:38 did gyre and gimble: +</I>>><i> I updated cauldron this morning, and later rebooted my desktop. My +</I>>><i> r8169 on eth0 is suddenly having problems, maybe due to the new kernel. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There should be a new kernel later today (or maybe tomorrow). Fingers +</I>><i> crossed that will help. +</I>><i> +</I> +No r8169 fixes in upstream 2.6.38.1 + +I'll check HEAD commits... + +Should be easy to check if kernel is at fault + +Boot the old kernel... + +Is the issue gone ? + +-- +Thomas +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003590.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003595.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3594">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3594">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3594">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3594">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003595.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003595.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8a9c60a93 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003595.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B32E9.7030006%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003594.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003600.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B32E9.7030006%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 13:02:49 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003594.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003600.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3595">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3595">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3595">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3595">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 03/24/2011 07:55 AM, Thomas Backlund wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> No r8169 fixes in upstream 2.6.38.1 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'll check HEAD commits... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Should be easy to check if kernel is at fault +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Boot the old kernel... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Is the issue gone ? +</I> +I'll do that today. I've looked in older logs, and I find places where +the kernel puts out the "unable to load firmware" message, but then gets +link beat anyway. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003594.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003600.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3595">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3595">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3595">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3595">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003596.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003596.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b40e7bb9b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003596.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B37FE.4090404%40iki.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003593.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003613.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B37FE.4090404%40iki.fi%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 13:24:30 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003593.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003613.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3596">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3596">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3596">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3596">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 24.03.2011 12:53, Michael Scherer wrote: +><i> Le jeudi 24 mars 2011 à 11:15 +0100, Thorsten van Lil a écrit : +</I>>><i> Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: +</I>>>><i> 2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>>>><i> On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware? +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free" dvd iso, +</I>>>>>><i> and this question is i think interesting. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a non-free +</I>>>><i> "driver cd ISO" which they could include in the installation process. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> What about a DVD including non-free packages but has the option to not +</I>>><i> install them? +</I>>><i> I think the majority of the users don't care that much about proprietary +</I>>><i> issues, they just need them for using there wireless card or graphic +</I>>><i> card. Those how do care can just uncheck the non-free part of the DVD. :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, personally, then I would just continue to use Fedora or others +</I>><i> distribution on my computers, and keep Mageia just for the servers of +</I>><i> the project. +</I> +Fedora includes non-free firmware both in repo and medias, so why prefer +that? + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003593.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003613.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3596">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3596">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3596">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3596">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003597.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003597.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..981c5782b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003597.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B39D5.3050208%40iki.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003625.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003598.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B39D5.3050208%40iki.fi%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 13:32:21 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003625.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003598.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3597">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3597">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3597">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3597">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 24.03.2011 12:39, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> But I don't think it would be a good idea to include non-free contents +</I>><i> in the distribution ISOs at all. That this assumed majority does not +</I>><i> care about the issue does not mean we should not care either. We +</I>><i> should rather stress the point. +</I> +Note that the current Alpha2 ISO contains many non-free [1] firmware +files, and without those e.g. many popular wired NICs do not work, and +the 3D acceleration of ATI *free* driver depends on those. + +[1] Depending on the definition - some are BSD/similar but still without +source code, so considered non-free by OSI/FSF/Debian. + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003625.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003598.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3597">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3597">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3597">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3597">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003598.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003598.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3e891cfad --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003598.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimHmFJ4KRiZwKpqF_%2B1DMZDCYfszuZ%3DLntt657N%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003597.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003610.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimHmFJ4KRiZwKpqF_%2B1DMZDCYfszuZ%3DLntt657N%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 13:41:48 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003597.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003610.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3598">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3598">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3598">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3598">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/24 Anssi Hannula <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>>: +><i> On 24.03.2011 12:39, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>>><i> But I don't think it would be a good idea to include non-free contents +</I>>><i> in the distribution ISOs at all. That this assumed majority does not +</I>>><i> care about the issue does not mean we should not care either. We +</I>>><i> should rather stress the point. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Note that the current Alpha2 ISO contains many non-free [1] firmware +</I>><i> files, and without those e.g. many popular wired NICs do not work, and +</I>><i> the 3D acceleration of ATI *free* driver depends on those. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> [1] Depending on the definition - some are BSD/similar but still without +</I>><i> source code, so considered non-free by OSI/FSF/Debian. +</I> +Good point. In this discussion we were too vague about this. +As I see this the discussion so far was about "non-free" software, +where "non-free" meant the software in the non-free repos, not the +strict definition of "free" by FSF. +Prominent example (and trigger of this discussion): WiFi driver/firmware. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003597.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003610.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3598">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3598">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3598">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3598">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003599.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003599.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a0aef30c2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003599.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D97i_dwmv%2Btth1kCe%3Dk2AOSR8tLhGzORXiGrjF%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003563.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003622.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D97i_dwmv%2Btth1kCe%3Dk2AOSR8tLhGzORXiGrjF%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 14:10:39 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003563.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003622.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3599">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3599">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3599">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3599">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:13, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> Like I said before, KDE3.5 coexisted very well with KDE4 since 2009.1 on +</I>><i> Mandriva and Trinity is even more so being developed with coexistence in +</I>><i> mind, so there shouldn't be any unsolvable issues. +</I> +Maybe it did coexist well at a significant cost on the packaging side? +(time, packaging compromises) and maybe the situation isn't exactly +the same as then? + +><i> This is exactly what I would call a reasonable factual argumentation. +</I> +But an argument is not going to make anyone progress one way or the +other here obviously. If there are fears, then provide facts to +counter them (no argument, but facts). + +You propose to add TDE in the repository. After this discussion, the +next step is you to first package TDE, build and test and +see/demonstrate how it goes, regarding at least these 5 points +(summarized from above) before an integration is considered: + 1. no conflict on files + 2. install in %_prefix (not in /opt) + 3. no duplicate software name (do not confuse user to decide between +tde-k3b and k3b for instance - or find a realistic workaround use +case). + 4. at this point, no apps outside of the TDE project should require TDE + 5. committed maintainers + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003563.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003622.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3599">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3599">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3599">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3599">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003600.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003600.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..38d54944e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003600.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B4577.10005%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003595.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003607.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B4577.10005%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 14:21:59 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003595.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003607.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3600">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3600">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3600">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3600">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 03/24/2011 08:02 AM, Frank Griffin wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> I'll do that today. I've looked in older logs, and I find places +</I>><i> where the kernel puts out the "unable to load firmware" message, but +</I>><i> then gets link beat anyway. +</I>><i> +</I>Well, I've never been a believer in coincidence, but I've booted the old +kernel (2.37.4) as well as 2009.1 and Knoppix, and it appears that the +onboard r8169 NIC just happened to pick the reboot to 2.38 to break. +Nobody sees a link beat on it. A NIC which just happens to give up the +ghost coincidentally with a reboot would have been pretty far down my +list of possibilities. + +Sorry for the noise. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003595.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003607.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3600">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3600">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3600">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3600">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003601.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003601.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..89077e8ab --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003601.html @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimaWsDJSBk3aEPaqhAbbGmUxXq99rGLKQpOeOH6%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003620.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003578.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimaWsDJSBk3aEPaqhAbbGmUxXq99rGLKQpOeOH6%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 14:22:00 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003620.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003578.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3601">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3601">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3601">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3601">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 24 March 2011 11:38, Olivier Blin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>> wrote: +>><i> What about a DVD including non-free packages but has the option to not +</I>>><i> install them? +</I>>><i> I think the majority of the users don't care that much about +</I>>><i> proprietary issues, they just need them for using there wireless card +</I>>><i> or graphic card. Those how do care can just uncheck the non-free part +</I>>><i> of the DVD. :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yep, it could just be an option. The desktop selection step seems to be a +</I>><i> good place in the installer to include it, it is visible enough, and +</I>><i> right before packages installation. Though it would have to be renamed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We could have a checkbox "Install proprietary drivers if needed +</I>><i> (non-free software)", ticked by default. +</I> +if firmware are needed for network installation, we would need support +in stage1 instead. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003620.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003578.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3601">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3601">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3601">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3601">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003602.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003602.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f4866c89d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003602.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Gstreamer%20pfl%20codecs/plugins&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B4991.7040104%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003565.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003603.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Gstreamer%20pfl%20codecs/plugins&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B4991.7040104%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 14:39:29 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003565.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003603.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3602">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3602">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3602">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3602">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 03/24/2011 05:14 AM, Tux99 wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> Can you (or anyone) tell us when the build system will be ready to deal +</I>><i> with source packages that generate both core and tainted binary packages? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Is it something that's still far off (months) or will this be possible +</I>><i> soon? +</I>On a related issue, the wiki still states that we're not quite sure what +will be in "tainted". Is this supposed to be a complete replacement for +PLF Mandriva, or will there be a need for a PLF Mageia as well ? +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003565.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003603.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3602">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3602">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3602">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3602">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003603.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003603.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a183d6108 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003603.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Gstreamer%20pfl%20codecs/plugins&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinyFUhekri7Wj_WgoghYEGArpvjhoMWbiBVKO2O%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003602.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003604.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Gstreamer%20pfl%20codecs/plugins&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinyFUhekri7Wj_WgoghYEGArpvjhoMWbiBVKO2O%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 14:45:20 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003602.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003604.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3603">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3603">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3603">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3603">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 14:39, Frank Griffin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>> wrote: +><i> On 03/24/2011 05:14 AM, Tux99 wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Can you (or anyone) tell us when the build system will be ready to deal +</I>>><i> with source packages that generate both core and tainted binary packages? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Is it something that's still far off (months) or will this be possible +</I>>><i> soon? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On a related issue, the wiki still states that we're not quite sure what +</I>><i> will be in "tainted".  Is this supposed to be a complete replacement for PLF +</I>><i> Mandriva, or will there be a need for a PLF Mageia as well ? +</I> +<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses</A> + +"The tainted section accepts software under a license that is might be +free or open source and which cannot be redistributed publicly in +certain areas in the world, or due to patents issues." + +and + +<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy#tainted">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy#tainted</A> + +"stuff we think we can redistribute, but that may have some patent +issues or other restrictions in other countries" + +look like consistent with each other, althought the "what belongs / is +allowed here must still be discussed" indeed looks like it's not +frozen yet. + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003602.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003604.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3603">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3603">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3603">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3603">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003604.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003604.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5bd72d242 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003604.html @@ -0,0 +1,102 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Gstreamer%20pfl%20codecs/plugins&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B4D65.9000801%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003603.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003606.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Gstreamer%20pfl%20codecs/plugins&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B4D65.9000801%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 14:55:49 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003603.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003606.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3604">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3604">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3604">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3604">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 03/24/2011 09:45 AM, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "The tainted section accepts software under a license that is might be +</I>><i> free or open source and which cannot be redistributed publicly in +</I>><i> certain areas in the world, or due to patents issues." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> and +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy#tainted">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy#tainted</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "stuff we think we can redistribute, but that may have some patent +</I>><i> issues or other restrictions in other countries" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> look like consistent with each other, althought the "what belongs / is +</I>><i> allowed here must still be discussed" indeed looks like it's not +</I>><i> frozen yet. +</I> +The reason I ask is that, in perusing the PLF package descriptions which +include the reason the package is in PLF, the criteria seems to be +"Mandriva was afraid to include this in main/contrib for <fill in your +own reason from a large list>" . The Mageia policies try to enumerate +specific reasons why things will be put in tainted, but don't explcitly +say that there's anything we *wouldn't* put in tainted. So it's hard to +know whether tainted == PLF or not. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003603.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003606.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3604">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3604">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3604">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3604">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003605.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003605.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b07626704 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003605.html @@ -0,0 +1,128 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Gstreamer%20pfl%20codecs/plugins&In-Reply-To=%3C234d.4d8b4e04%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003606.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003590.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Gstreamer%20pfl%20codecs/plugins&In-Reply-To=%3C234d.4d8b4e04%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 14:58:30 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003606.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003590.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3605">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3605">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3605">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3605">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: rdalverny wrote on Thu, 24 March 2011 14:45 +---------------------------------------------------- +><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 14:39, Frank Griffin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>> +</I>><i> wrote: +</I>><i> > On 03/24/2011 05:14 AM, Tux99 wrote: +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Can you (or anyone) tell us when the build system will be ready to +</I>><i> deal +</I>><i> >> with source packages that generate both core and tainted binary +</I>><i> packages? +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Is it something that's still far off (months) or will this be +</I>><i> possible +</I>><i> >> soon? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > On a related issue, the wiki still states that we're not quite sure +</I>><i> > what +</I>><i> > will be in "tainted". Is this supposed to be a complete +</I>><i> > replacement for PLF +</I>><i> > Mandriva, or will there be a need for a PLF Mageia as well ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy#acceptable_licenses</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "The tainted section accepts software under a license that is might be +</I>><i> free or open source and which cannot be redistributed publicly in +</I>><i> certain areas in the world, or due to patents issues." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> and +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy#tainted">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy#tainted</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "stuff we think we can redistribute, but that may have some patent +</I>><i> issues or other restrictions in other countries" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> look like consistent with each other, althought the "what belongs / is +</I>><i> allowed here must still be discussed" indeed looks like it's not +</I>><i> frozen yet. +</I> +Actually I never noticed the second definition before, but the two +definitions are certainly not consistent with each other, the second +definition includes 'non-free' tainted software too since it only says +that "we can redistribute" (non-free sw. is redistributable otherwise we +can't have it in any repo at all). + +If the second definition is the valid one (I would prefer this one) then +the whole recent thread about where to put "tainted+non-free" packages was +moot, since it can go it "tainted". + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003606.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003590.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3605">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3605">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3605">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3605">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003606.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003606.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..be280de75 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003606.html @@ -0,0 +1,127 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Gstreamer%20pfl%20codecs/plugins&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DSKdRUVvpc%3Dtm9oB8vV7ub6Qr8yquey59v3B%3Du%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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+ * that for which we don't have source but can redistribute go in +nonfree; checked on a case-by-case basis; + * all the rest goes into tainted on a case-by-case study again; +things that likely either: + - have no free license but under really significant patent-threat; + +Indeed, it should be distinctively made clear whether: + * tainted keeps a focus on free software that is under risk, + * or if it has a "all the rest that doesn't qualify for core or nonfree" + +I'd favour the latter as a default rule, keeping the case-by-case +study for inclusion and leaving real life situations help us sort this +out - it's really not easy to draw a general rule out of only a few +practical cases. + +Anyway, two definitions is bad, so we should move it in a single place. + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003604.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003605.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3606">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3606">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3606">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3606">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003607.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003607.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..17793cb4a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003607.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B56A8.5010206%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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I've looked in older logs, and I find places +</I>>><i> where the kernel puts out the "unable to load firmware" message, but +</I>>><i> then gets link beat anyway. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Well, I've never been a believer in coincidence, but I've booted the old +</I>><i> kernel (2.37.4) as well as 2009.1 and Knoppix, and it appears that the +</I>><i> onboard r8169 NIC just happened to pick the reboot to 2.38 to break. +</I>><i> Nobody sees a link beat on it. A NIC which just happens to give up the +</I>><i> ghost coincidentally with a reboot would have been pretty far down my +</I>><i> list of possibilities. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sorry for the noise. +</I> +Could perhaps the firmware needed have been [re]moved with some other +updates?... + +Perhaps the nic is not dead yet! :p + +Col + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>] +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>] + PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>] + Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>] +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003600.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003608.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3607">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3607">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3607">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3607">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003608.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003608.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fe703fc48 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003608.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B5F50.5080100%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003607.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003618.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B5F50.5080100%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 16:12:16 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003607.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003618.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3608">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3608">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3608">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3608">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 03/24/2011 10:35 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> Could perhaps the firmware needed have been [re]moved with some other +</I>><i> updates?... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Perhaps the nic is not dead yet! :p +</I>><i> +</I>It sure looked like the files were in /lib/firmware/rtl, although I +suppose they could have moved. And booting with the prior kernel would +still be using the same /lib/firmware, so the problem would occur with +the older kernel as well. + +But that doesn't cover the case of booting from a 2009.1 partition which +has worked with this NIC before. That partition would have the same +kernel and /lib/firmware that worked the last time, no ? +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003607.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003618.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3608">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3608">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3608">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3608">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003609.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003609.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..30fa84abc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003609.html @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik35xHLeM39L2gizTVevM5AJ9VeS0sXQfuYpA8f%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003572.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003623.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik35xHLeM39L2gizTVevM5AJ9VeS0sXQfuYpA8f%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 16:22:15 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003572.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003623.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3609">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3609">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3609">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3609">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 24 March 2011 11:56, Olivier Blin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>> wrote: +><i> nicolas vigier <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>> writes: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Robert Xu wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> As I reiterate, Trinity does not interfere with KDE4 in any way, if +</I>>>><i> you keep /opt/kde3 +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Are you sure ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> For libs installed in /opt/kde3/lib, rpm find-provides will add the +</I>>><i> provides for the libs on the packages. When an other package require +</I>>><i> this library, it will give the choice to install the Trinity package and +</I>>><i> some people will do it. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Then there is two options : +</I>>><i>  - /opt/kde3/lib is not in ld.so.conf, and the programs using this lib +</I>>><i>    will not run +</I>>><i>  - /opt/kde3/lib is in ld.so.conf, so the programs using this lib will +</I>>><i>    run, but we can have two versions of the lib installed, one in /usr/lib +</I>>><i>    and one in /opt/kde3/lib, and we don't know which one will be used, so +</I>>><i>    we can see various strange problems. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This should not be an issue if the libraries from Trinity and KDE4 have +</I>><i> different majors +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Olivier Blin - blino +</I>><i> +</I> +No guarantees on that point... you never know when the major of a lib +is going to change, and there're hundreds of libs in a DE... + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003572.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003623.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3609">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3609">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3609">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3609">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003610.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003610.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4e550f3aa --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003610.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B71F6.3080306%40iki.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003598.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003584.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B71F6.3080306%40iki.fi%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 17:31:50 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003598.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003584.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3610">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3610">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3610">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3610">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 24.03.2011 14:41, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> 2011/3/24 Anssi Hannula <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>>: +</I>>><i> On 24.03.2011 12:39, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>>>><i> But I don't think it would be a good idea to include non-free contents +</I>>>><i> in the distribution ISOs at all. That this assumed majority does not +</I>>>><i> care about the issue does not mean we should not care either. We +</I>>>><i> should rather stress the point. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Note that the current Alpha2 ISO contains many non-free [1] firmware +</I>>><i> files, and without those e.g. many popular wired NICs do not work, and +</I>>><i> the 3D acceleration of ATI *free* driver depends on those. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> [1] Depending on the definition - some are BSD/similar but still without +</I>>><i> source code, so considered non-free by OSI/FSF/Debian. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Good point. In this discussion we were too vague about this. +</I>><i> As I see this the discussion so far was about "non-free" software, +</I>><i> where "non-free" meant the software in the non-free repos, not the +</I>><i> strict definition of "free" by FSF. +</I>><i> Prominent example (and trigger of this discussion): WiFi driver/firmware. +</I> +Well, currently the firmware are assigned between non-free and core at +random (yes, we have non-free firmware in core, and yes, there are GPL +firmware in non-free, etc), so... + + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003598.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003584.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3610">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3610">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3610">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3610">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003611.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003611.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..becd61a18 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003611.html @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C20110324173650.5df4e6a6%40werewolf.home%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003575.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003621.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>JA Magallón</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C20110324173650.5df4e6a6%40werewolf.home%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">jamagallon at ono.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 17:36:50 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003575.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003621.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3611">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3611">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3611">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3611">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:18:03 +0100, Olivier Blin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> writes: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> >>> It can't be "free" and have "non-free" firmware... previously the +</I>><i> >>> firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has been +</I>><i> >>> changed in that regard (i.e. I didn't see the matter get discussed +</I>><i> >>> yet). +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> They were also on the PowerPack images, and they are installed +</I>><i> >> automatically over a network install +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > But to be installed via network you have to have a network connection +</I>><i> > first, n'est-ce pas? +</I>><i> > That's what this thread is about. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It is now also about "in which media should we include non-free +</I>><i> packages?" :) +</I>><i> +</I> +First of all, I would like to state that my intention was just to ask about +the non-free blobs that free open source drivers need to work. But +the discussion seems to have extended to general non-free software... + +From my point of view, including firmwares like intel, radeon, or linksys +ones is just adding more instances of what already is in the kernel, it +contains binary blobs also. I really was not thinking of things like nVidia +or Radeon drivers, or others, that could raise more problems. + +I like the idea of an addtional iso with non-free drivers, but using two +medias could be problematic. Just a blind shot, if this can be done +easily in Linux: could we have two isos that could be combined into +one by the user itself at burn time, or when dumping to an USB flash drive ? +So from your point of view, you just offer a Free ISO for distribution, +and an additional driver pack, and the user just have to burn/carry one +media. + +-- +J.A. Magallon <jamagallon()ono!com> \ Software is like sex: + \ It's better when it's free +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003575.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003621.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3611">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3611">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3611">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3611">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003612.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003612.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c512cb7cf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003612.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20vbox/vboxadditions%20conflicts%20question&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B744C.6060307%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003633.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003614.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20vbox/vboxadditions%20conflicts%20question&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B744C.6060307%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 17:41:48 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003633.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003614.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3612">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3612">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3612">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3612">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Frank Griffin a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On 03/23/2011 08:45 AM, Olivier Blin wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Don't you have x11 packages for vbox guest installed? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> That was it, thanks. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Apparently virtualbox-additions and the x11 package were forced on +</I>><i> during my post-installation processing. Is there an rpm or urpmq query +</I>><i> that will highlight conflicts between installed packages on a system ? +</I>><i> For example, if I installed dkms-virtualbox and then installed +</I>><i> dkms-vboxadditions with --force, is there a query which would report +</I>><i> that these two are in conflict ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My post-installation processing installs over 1000 additional packages +</I>><i> to bring a fresh system up to the state of the system it is replacing, +</I>><i> and --force is necessary to prevent scores of bogus prompts. It would be +</I>><i> convenient to be able to detect the remaining conflicts once the dust +</I>><i> has settled and the installs are finished so that any remaining +</I>><i> conflicts can be addressed manually. +</I> +good idea. + +Also, it seems that when a conflict is reported, it should list the +applications (and versions) it finds to be in conflict. +It is _really_ frustrating to have these anonymous conflicts, when +rpm/urpm must know what it is finding in conflict. + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003633.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003614.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3612">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3612">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3612">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3612">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003613.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003613.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7c3d8bfc2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003613.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C1300985122.30842.78.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003596.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003615.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C1300985122.30842.78.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 17:45:22 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003596.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003615.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3613">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3613">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3613">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3613">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 24 mars 2011 à 14:24 +0200, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +><i> On 24.03.2011 12:53, Michael Scherer wrote: +</I>><i> > Le jeudi 24 mars 2011 à 11:15 +0100, Thorsten van Lil a écrit : +</I>><i> >> Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: +</I>><i> >>> 2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> >>>> On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> >>>>>> +</I>><i> >>>>>> Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware? +</I>><i> >>>>> +</I>><i> >>>>> No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free" dvd iso, +</I>><i> >>>>> and this question is i think interesting. +</I>><i> >>>>> +</I>><i> >>> A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a non-free +</I>><i> >>> "driver cd ISO" which they could include in the installation process. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> What about a DVD including non-free packages but has the option to not +</I>><i> >> install them? +</I>><i> >> I think the majority of the users don't care that much about proprietary +</I>><i> >> issues, they just need them for using there wireless card or graphic +</I>><i> >> card. Those how do care can just uncheck the non-free part of the DVD. :) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Well, personally, then I would just continue to use Fedora or others +</I>><i> > distribution on my computers, and keep Mageia just for the servers of +</I>><i> > the project. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Fedora includes non-free firmware both in repo and medias, so why prefer +</I>><i> that? +</I> +I know, I likely use them for my wifi card (Atheros AR5008) and also use +external ones for my dvb card ( aver-tv red hd+ ), and my webcam +( iSight ). + +But my issue is not about non-free firmwares and those who use them or +not, but about the gradual move to non-free packages on the free dvd iso +( <A HREF="http://netsplit.com/2006/11/27/slippery-slopes/">http://netsplit.com/2006/11/27/slippery-slopes/</A> ). + +When I started at Mandrake Linux, there was no non-free repository. Then +one day, non-free was created, and then soon, it was activated by +default for the free version. Then I opened this bug, +<A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=40033">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=40033</A> , who took 2 years to be +fixed. And what I just see is yet another push to bury a little bit more +values I care. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003596.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003615.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3613">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3613">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3613">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3613">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003614.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003614.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a989b083b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003614.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20vbox/vboxadditions%20conflicts%20question&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B7567.1000109%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003612.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003629.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20vbox/vboxadditions%20conflicts%20question&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B7567.1000109%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 17:46:31 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003612.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003629.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3614">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3614">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3614">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3614">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 03/24/2011 12:41 PM, andre999 wrote: +><i> Frank Griffin a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Is there an rpm or urpmq query +</I>>><i> that will highlight conflicts between installed packages on a system ? +</I>>><i> For example, if I installed dkms-virtualbox and then installed +</I>>><i> dkms-vboxadditions with --force, is there a query which would report +</I>>><i> that these two are in conflict ? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> good idea. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Also, it seems that when a conflict is reported, it should list the +</I>><i> applications (and versions) it finds to be in conflict. +</I>><i> It is _really_ frustrating to have these anonymous conflicts, when +</I>><i> rpm/urpm must know what it is finding in conflict. +</I>><i> +</I> +I was hoping this was already possible. If it's not, I'll enter an +enhancement request. Could some rpm/urpmq guru confirm one way or the +other, please ? +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003612.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003629.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3614">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3614">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3614">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3614">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003615.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003615.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8284280c4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003615.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikr3oJR-Efvsse7NATwCkCqz-KZqdtw5ZfNLa_y%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003613.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003619.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikr3oJR-Efvsse7NATwCkCqz-KZqdtw5ZfNLa_y%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 18:35:01 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003613.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003619.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3615">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3615">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3615">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3615">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 17:45, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +><i> But my issue is not about non-free firmwares and those who use them or +</I>><i> not, but about the gradual move to non-free packages on the free dvd iso +</I>><i> ( <A HREF="http://netsplit.com/2006/11/27/slippery-slopes/">http://netsplit.com/2006/11/27/slippery-slopes/</A> ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When I started at Mandrake Linux, there was no non-free repository. Then +</I>><i> one day, non-free was created, and then soon, it was activated by +</I>><i> default for the free version. Then I opened this bug, +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=40033">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=40033</A> , who took 2 years to be +</I>><i> fixed. And what I just see is yet another push to bury a little bit more +</I>><i> values I care. +</I> +Please be more explicit about the values here then. So far I don't see +no push. We're discussing this. Speaking of values, is this going +against the project values and announcement so far? (even in a +slippery way) + +Obviously, the very imperfect nature of free/non-free semantics does +not help at all here. + +Summary (from <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy</A>): + * core: stuff that is not Free/Open Source according to OSI/FSF does +not belong here. Not even closed-source stuff that we can +redistribute. So if there is at this time, that's something to fix. + * nonfree: what does not qualify for core that we can still +redistribute; includes closed-source, proprietary, binaries and blobs. + * tainted: what could be in core or nonfree but bears more risks +(software patents, most likely for now). + +Now, for what we distribute in printed medias (DVD/CD for now), the +initial point was to provide some necessary bits from nonfree along +with core so that a local install can work with some specific hardware +(network, video). + +That does not prevent from shipping CD/DVD that only bear core on it I +believe? (what we used to do with Free at MDV). + +And that does not prevent from shipping too CD/DVD that bears more +than that (stuff located in nonfree), to ease setup for some users (or +even make a LiveCD usable). + +Is there a problem here? which one? + + + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003613.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003619.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3615">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3615">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3615">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3615">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003616.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003616.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..561406c31 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003616.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20buildsystem%20%3D%3E%20maintainers%20db%20link%20test&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik756Cv9%2ByRsSA1ekt980OCq4XAAvhtDzwyX-%2Bv%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003629.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003632.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20buildsystem%20%3D%3E%20maintainers%20db%20link%20test&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik756Cv9%2ByRsSA1ekt980OCq4XAAvhtDzwyX-%2Bv%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 19:24:44 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003629.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003632.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3616">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3616">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3616">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3616">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Cool. Thanks to pterjan and boklm we now have a post on maintdb test +platform on each upload. That will help setting things up further. + +On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 20:45, Maarten Vanraes +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> Op woensdag 23 maart 2011 20:32:42 schreef Michael Scherer: +</I>>><i> ( nota : xml rpc interface could be a good idea to add later if not on +</I>>><i> the roadmap ) +</I> +Why not yes. + +><i> Personally, i want an app where i can log in, search a package, and grab / +</I>><i> drop it (last packager could be shown if you have the info anyway...), and a +</I>><i> link to the bugs of that package, and also a way to show my maintained +</I>><i> packages. that's it. +</I> +This whole thing may be a mashup of several apps in the end (profile +page for you, profile page for a package, for a team, etc.), among +which the maintdb is only one piece. + +Let's just build the minimal set needed for now for maintainer/package +association and build from that. + +Heard comments about having a more straight association between the +actual maintainer and the package (and not considering people pushing +a rebuild as a co-maintainer). Will see how to manage that. + +Any other point? + +Thanks! + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003629.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003632.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3616">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3616">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3616">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3616">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003617.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003617.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..65538311a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003617.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B8CFE.9040908%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003621.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003556.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B8CFE.9040908%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 19:27:10 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003621.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003556.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3617">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3617">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3617">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3617">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Ahmad Samir a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free" dvd iso, +</I>>><i> and this question is i think interesting. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It can't be "free" and have "non-free" firmware... previously the +</I>><i> firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has been +</I>><i> changed in that regard (i.e. I didn't see the matter get discussed +</I>><i> yet). +</I> +Whatever it's called, it doesn't make much practical sense to exclude +important drivers from the dvd. Sure, ideological correctness could +prevail, but I see no problem adding a non-free directory including only +important drivers, such as video, wi-fi. Note that some distros are +reported to put such drivers in their main free repository, which could +also be done. +Let's face it, one of the best ways to discourage new (Mageia) Linux +users is to have an iso that doesn't work "out of the box". +Even experienced users/programmers find that frustrating -- how do you +think that ordinary users will respond ? +So I think that there should be an explicit policy to include, on all +official isos, drivers for all (common) hardware. If there is no +reliable "free" driver available, so include non-free. +Whether such drivers are put in a non-free repository is another +question. Personally I'd just put them in core until a reliable free +driver becomes available, but that isn't critical to a working system. + +my 2 cents :) + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003621.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003556.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3617">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3617">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3617">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3617">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003618.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003618.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5157cd3f4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003618.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B954F.8060805%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003608.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003627.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?</H1> + <B>Colin Guthrie</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B954F.8060805%40colin.guthr.ie%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?">mageia at colin.guthr.ie + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 20:02:39 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003608.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003627.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3618">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3618">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3618">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3618">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 24/03/11 15:12 did gyre and gimble: +><i> But that doesn't cover the case of booting from a 2009.1 partition which +</I>><i> has worked with this NIC before. That partition would have the same +</I>><i> kernel and /lib/firmware that worked the last time, no ? +</I> +Ahh yes, that's true... sounds like you were right with the diagnosis :( + +Col + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>] +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>] + PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>] + Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>] +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003608.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003627.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3618">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3618">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3618">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3618">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003619.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003619.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ba1b02a6b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003619.html @@ -0,0 +1,116 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B96B0.7010206%40iki.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003615.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003626.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B96B0.7010206%40iki.fi%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 20:08:32 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003615.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003626.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3619">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3619">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3619">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3619">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 24.03.2011 19:35, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 17:45, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> But my issue is not about non-free firmwares and those who use them or +</I>>><i> not, but about the gradual move to non-free packages on the free dvd iso +</I>>><i> ( <A HREF="http://netsplit.com/2006/11/27/slippery-slopes/">http://netsplit.com/2006/11/27/slippery-slopes/</A> ). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> When I started at Mandrake Linux, there was no non-free repository. Then +</I>>><i> one day, non-free was created, and then soon, it was activated by +</I>>><i> default for the free version. Then I opened this bug, +</I>>><i> <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=40033">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=40033</A> , who took 2 years to be +</I>>><i> fixed. And what I just see is yet another push to bury a little bit more +</I>>><i> values I care. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please be more explicit about the values here then. So far I don't see +</I>><i> no push. We're discussing this. Speaking of values, is this going +</I>><i> against the project values and announcement so far? (even in a +</I>><i> slippery way) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Obviously, the very imperfect nature of free/non-free semantics does +</I>><i> not help at all here. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Summary (from <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy</A>): +</I>><i> * core: stuff that is not Free/Open Source according to OSI/FSF does +</I>><i> not belong here. Not even closed-source stuff that we can +</I>><i> redistribute. So if there is at this time, that's something to fix. +</I> +Most of files in kernel-firmware (which is in core) are not OSI/FSF free +(approximate list from 2010 [1]). There was a short thread about that +[2] where I asked the question if they should be moved to non-free due +to them not being OSI/FSF free, and tmb agreed, while pterjan disagreed +(saying BSD without source code (where a portion of the firmware files +in question fall) is eligible for core). + +[1] <A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php</A> +[2] <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html</A> + +><i> * nonfree: what does not qualify for core that we can still +</I>><i> redistribute; includes closed-source, proprietary, binaries and blobs. +</I>><i> * tainted: what could be in core or nonfree but bears more risks +</I>><i> (software patents, most likely for now). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now, for what we distribute in printed medias (DVD/CD for now), the +</I>><i> initial point was to provide some necessary bits from nonfree along +</I>><i> with core so that a local install can work with some specific hardware +</I>><i> (network, video). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That does not prevent from shipping CD/DVD that only bear core on it I +</I>><i> believe? (what we used to do with Free at MDV). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And that does not prevent from shipping too CD/DVD that bears more +</I>><i> than that (stuff located in nonfree), to ease setup for some users (or +</I>><i> even make a LiveCD usable). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Is there a problem here? which one? +</I> + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003615.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003626.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3619">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3619">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3619">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3619">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003620.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003620.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1c357603e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003620.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B9737.2080809%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003579.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003601.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8B9737.2080809%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 20:10:47 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003579.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003601.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3620">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3620">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3620">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3620">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> 2011/3/24 Olivier Blin<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>>: +</I>>><i> Thorsten van Lil<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>> writes: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: +</I>>>>><i> 2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>>>>><i> On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>>>><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>><i> Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware? +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free" dvd iso, +</I>>>>>>><i> and this question is i think interesting. +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a non-free +</I>>>>><i> "driver cd ISO" which they could include in the installation process. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> What about a DVD including non-free packages but has the option to not +</I>>>><i> install them? +</I>>>><i> I think the majority of the users don't care that much about +</I>>>><i> proprietary issues, they just need them for using there wireless card +</I>>>><i> or graphic card. Those how do care can just uncheck the non-free part +</I>>>><i> of the DVD. :) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yep, it could just be an option. The desktop selection step seems to be a +</I>>><i> good place in the installer to include it, it is visible enough, and +</I>>><i> right before packages installation. Though it would have to be renamed. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> We could have a checkbox "Install proprietary drivers if needed +</I>>><i> (non-free software)", ticked by default. +</I> +perfect solution :) + +><i> +</I>><i> Are you aware that this would mean that Mageia is not a "free +</I>><i> distribution" as planned? No matter how you phrase the question and +</I>><i> how many checkboxes a user would have to check, if non-free contents +</I>><i> is included in an ISO it is not a free ISO anymore. +</I> +Mageia the distribution includes non-free software. We are talking +about what we include on the ISO. +If users want to exclude installing any non-free packages, this +check-box solution solves the problem nicely. + +So users that want to ensure that their installation works "out of the +box" will be satisfied. +And purists that don't mind some things not working, can avoid +installing non-free drivers. + +Sounds like a win-win solution to me :) + +-- +André +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003579.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003601.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3620">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3620">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3620">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3620">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003621.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003621.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..14b87bf6a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003621.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C201103242015.52265.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003611.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003617.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C201103242015.52265.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 20:15:52 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003611.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003617.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3621">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3621">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3621">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3621">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 11:18:03 schreef Olivier Blin: +><i> Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> writes: +</I>><i> >>> It can't be "free" and have "non-free" firmware... previously the +</I>><i> >>> firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has been +</I>><i> >>> changed in that regard (i.e. I didn't see the matter get discussed +</I>><i> >>> yet). +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> They were also on the PowerPack images, and they are installed +</I>><i> >> automatically over a network install +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > But to be installed via network you have to have a network connection +</I>><i> > first, n'est-ce pas? +</I>><i> > That's what this thread is about. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It is now also about "in which media should we include non-free +</I>><i> packages?" :) +</I> +no, about if they are really non-free... stuff released as BSD is free in my +book. if they don't comply, they could be sued for all i care, but it's still +free. +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003611.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003617.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3621">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3621">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3621">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3621">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003622.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003622.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2be7e1f8f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003622.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201103242036.57435.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003599.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003624.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201103242036.57435.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 20:36:57 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003599.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003624.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3622">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3622">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3622">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3622">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 14:10:39 schreef Romain d'Alverny: +><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:13, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > Like I said before, KDE3.5 coexisted very well with KDE4 since 2009.1 on +</I>><i> > Mandriva and Trinity is even more so being developed with coexistence in +</I>><i> > mind, so there shouldn't be any unsolvable issues. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe it did coexist well at a significant cost on the packaging side? +</I>><i> (time, packaging compromises) and maybe the situation isn't exactly +</I>><i> the same as then? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > This is exactly what I would call a reasonable factual argumentation. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But an argument is not going to make anyone progress one way or the +</I>><i> other here obviously. If there are fears, then provide facts to +</I>><i> counter them (no argument, but facts). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You propose to add TDE in the repository. After this discussion, the +</I>><i> next step is you to first package TDE, build and test and +</I>><i> see/demonstrate how it goes, regarding at least these 5 points +</I>><i> (summarized from above) before an integration is considered: +</I>><i> 1. no conflict on files +</I>><i> 2. install in %_prefix (not in /opt) +</I>><i> 3. no duplicate software name (do not confuse user to decide between +</I>><i> tde-k3b and k3b for instance - or find a realistic workaround use +</I>><i> case). +</I>><i> 4. at this point, no apps outside of the TDE project should require TDE +</I>><i> 5. committed maintainers +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I> +also promising to maintain qt3 as long as it's needed and here, the same +thing, not conflicting with qt4 in any way +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003599.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003624.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3622">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3622">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3622">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3622">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003623.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003623.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..96bbf071e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003623.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201103242040.15893.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003609.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003565.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201103242040.15893.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 20:40:15 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003609.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003565.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3623">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3623">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3623">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3623">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 16:22:15 schreef Ahmad Samir: +><i> On 24 March 2011 11:56, Olivier Blin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > nicolas vigier <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>> writes: +</I>><i> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Robert Xu wrote: +</I>><i> >>> As I reiterate, Trinity does not interfere with KDE4 in any way, if +</I>><i> >>> you keep /opt/kde3 +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Are you sure ? +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> For libs installed in /opt/kde3/lib, rpm find-provides will add the +</I>><i> >> provides for the libs on the packages. When an other package require +</I>><i> >> this library, it will give the choice to install the Trinity package and +</I>><i> >> some people will do it. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Then there is two options : +</I>><i> >> - /opt/kde3/lib is not in ld.so.conf, and the programs using this lib +</I>><i> >> will not run +</I>><i> >> - /opt/kde3/lib is in ld.so.conf, so the programs using this lib will +</I>><i> >> run, but we can have two versions of the lib installed, one in +</I>><i> >> /usr/lib and one in /opt/kde3/lib, and we don't know which one will be +</I>><i> >> used, so we can see various strange problems. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This should not be an issue if the libraries from Trinity and KDE4 have +</I>><i> > different majors +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > -- +</I>><i> > Olivier Blin - blino +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No guarantees on that point... you never know when the major of a lib +</I>><i> is going to change, and there're hundreds of libs in a DE... +</I> +It is a lot of work, but i have no qualms if the people maintain both qt3 and +TDE and can guarantee no breakage at any point in time, and a TDE policy that +needs to be welltested before introducing. + +if possible, also a priority preference (like it was done with systemd) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003609.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003565.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3623">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3623">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3623">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3623">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003624.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003624.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..04c6c877a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003624.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinOBXAuge1yRMaFzJY%3DQfPyKWjJ5sWS4BB2TEVy%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003622.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003630.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinOBXAuge1yRMaFzJY%3DQfPyKWjJ5sWS4BB2TEVy%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 20:55:47 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003622.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003630.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3624">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3624">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3624">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3624">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 24 March 2011 21:36, Maarten Vanraes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 14:10:39 schreef Romain d'Alverny: +</I>>><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:13, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> > Like I said before, KDE3.5 coexisted very well with KDE4 since 2009.1 on +</I>>><i> > Mandriva and Trinity is even more so being developed with coexistence in +</I>>><i> > mind, so there shouldn't be any unsolvable issues. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Maybe it did coexist well at a significant cost on the packaging side? +</I>>><i> (time, packaging compromises) and maybe the situation isn't exactly +</I>>><i> the same as then? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> > This is exactly what I would call a reasonable factual argumentation. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But an argument is not going to make anyone progress one way or the +</I>>><i> other here obviously. If there are fears, then provide facts to +</I>>><i> counter them (no argument, but facts). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> You propose to add TDE in the repository. After this discussion, the +</I>>><i> next step is you to first package TDE, build and test and +</I>>><i> see/demonstrate how it goes, regarding at least these 5 points +</I>>><i> (summarized from above) before an integration is considered: +</I>>><i>  1. no conflict on files +</I>>><i>  2. install in %_prefix (not in /opt) +</I>>><i>  3. no duplicate software name (do not confuse user to decide between +</I>>><i> tde-k3b and k3b for instance - or find a realistic workaround use +</I>>><i> case). +</I>>><i>  4. at this point, no apps outside of the TDE project should require TDE +</I>>><i>  5. committed maintainers +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Romain +</I>><i> +</I>><i> also promising to maintain qt3 as long as it's needed and here, the same +</I>><i> thing, not conflicting with qt4 in any way +</I>><i> +</I> +How could a packager propose to maintain qt3 when it's been dead +upstream for years? so no upstream support/patches/whatever... + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003622.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003630.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3624">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3624">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3624">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3624">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003625.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003625.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ed670192d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003625.html @@ -0,0 +1,126 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8BA293.4070800%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003591.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003597.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8BA293.4070800%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 20:59:15 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003591.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003597.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3625">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3625">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3625">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3625">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:39, Wolfgang Bornath<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> But I don't think it would be a good idea to include non-free contents +</I>>><i> in the distribution ISOs at all. That this assumed majority does not +</I>>><i> care about the issue does not mean we should not care either. We +</I>>><i> should rather stress the point. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> We already made such a difference by using different repositories, we +</I>>><i> not continue this in our "product line"? We use a different repo for +</I>>><i> non-free, we also should use a different ISO for non-free. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, that's precisely debatable (and why I'll try to setup a relevant +</I>><i> survey through marcom). The ISO can be seen as a static commodity +</I>><i> storage; that it holds core and nonfree makes no such difference as +</I>><i> that those two media are available from the network without +</I>><i> discrimination. +</I>><i> +</I> +exactly. +Adding these non-free drivers -- for which a reliable free equivalent +doesn't exist -- would take a very small part of the dvd, which would +thus remain essentially free. +(We could even call it "essentially free, with some proprietary drivers." +This approach would remove the need to produce another iso to fill the +gap caused by missing drivers. + +And options during installation will allow purists to avoid installing +any non-free drivers -- at the expense of having a system that doesn't +fully function, of course. But that is their legitimate choice. + +At the same time, those wanting their system to work "out of the box" +will be satisfied as well. + +><i> So yes, the ISO in itself would not be free anymore; but as long as +</I>><i> the install process does not pick into the nonfree media unless the +</I>><i> user asks to, what does it make an issue (not that I have no idea +</I>><i> about that, just that I'd like to see it expressed again from a +</I>><i> different POV of mine - and that will help for the survey definition +</I>><i> too). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And that would make the case for a consistent installing experience +</I>><i> that, no matter you're doing an exclusively ISO-based install or a +</I>><i> network-based install, you get through the same steps (with a +</I>><i> consistent opt-in or opt-out, clearly explained). It would only happen +</I>><i> that non-free media is available locally if asked for. +</I> +good point. This will make support easier as well. + +><i> The alternative, if we're not to mix things on the static media, is to +</I>><i> have distinct ISOs: free and nonfree/tainted ones. Times the format: +</I>><i> DVD/CD/arch/USB through which we would have to decide to ease: +</I>><i> building, qa and distribution (we will have to choose a default one to +</I>><i> provide to visitors on the download page for instance). +</I> +I think we should avoid unnecessary complexity. + +As well, a single dvd (for each of 32 & 64 bit) will avoid the problem +of users downloading the free dvd only to find that they need the +missing drivers. + +But those really concerned could easily produce a non-official dvd +without the few non-free drivers. + +another 2 cents :) + +><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I> +-- +André +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003591.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003597.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3625">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3625">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3625">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3625">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003626.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003626.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2a709ca62 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003626.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin0hXopwyF7P8%3DMWqf2ypyBd-FY5riUKmTd7hNT%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003619.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003635.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin0hXopwyF7P8%3DMWqf2ypyBd-FY5riUKmTd7hNT%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 21:27:02 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003619.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003635.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3626">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3626">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3626">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3626">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 20:08, Anssi Hannula <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>> wrote: +><i> On 24.03.2011 19:35, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +</I>>><i> Summary (from <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy</A>): +</I>>><i>  * core: stuff that is not Free/Open Source according to OSI/FSF does +</I>>><i> not belong here. Not even closed-source stuff that we can +</I>>><i> redistribute. So if there is at this time, that's something to fix. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Most of files in kernel-firmware (which is in core) are not OSI/FSF free +</I>><i> (approximate list from 2010 [1]). There was a short thread about that +</I>><i> [2] where I asked the question if they should be moved to non-free due +</I>><i> to them not being OSI/FSF free, and tmb agreed, while pterjan disagreed +</I>><i> (saying BSD without source code (where a portion of the firmware files +</I>><i> in question fall) is eligible for core). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> [1] <A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php</A> +</I>><i> [2] <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html</A> +</I> +Ah right, sorry for overlooking this. + +So what do we do? amend core inclusion definition for that? or move +these to nonfree? (and at what cost?) topic for next Council meeting +to decide? would you like to write a summary for this in +<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions</A> +? + +Romain +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003619.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003635.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3626">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3626">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3626">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3626">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003627.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003627.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..93f06a488 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003627.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8BAB81.7060700%40iki.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003618.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003628.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?</H1> + <B>Thomas Backlund</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8BAB81.7060700%40iki.fi%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?">tmb at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 21:37:21 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003618.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003628.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3627">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3627">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3627">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3627">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Frank Griffin skrev 24.3.2011 15:21: +><i> On 03/24/2011 08:02 AM, Frank Griffin wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I'll do that today. I've looked in older logs, and I find places +</I>>><i> where the kernel puts out the "unable to load firmware" message, but +</I>>><i> then gets link beat anyway. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Well, I've never been a believer in coincidence, but I've booted the old +</I>><i> kernel (2.37.4) as well as 2009.1 and Knoppix, and it appears that the +</I>><i> onboard r8169 NIC just happened to pick the reboot to 2.38 to break. +</I>><i> Nobody sees a link beat on it. A NIC which just happens to give up the +</I>><i> ghost coincidentally with a reboot would have been pretty far down my +</I>><i> list of possibilities. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sorry for the noise. +</I> +I'm not sure it's broken. + +Realtek is known to have somewhat crappy NICs that can tend to lock up +in a "middle state" if a driver probe comes too fast, and then they dont +react to any link or driver loading anymore. + +One way that might help is to power off the computer, disconnect it from +power _and_ disconnect the network cables, wait a few minutes, connect +everything again and try again. + +On one system I had to install Windows and disable/enable the nic and it +got back to normal :( + +I also have had a system with 2 r8169 nics that when setup in +teaming/bonding, nic2 will grab the mac address from nic1, and screw up +udev nic assignments making the system boot up without lan :( + +-- +Thomas +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003618.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003628.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3627">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3627">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3627">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3627">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003628.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003628.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ace09012f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003628.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8BAD44.10201%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003627.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003633.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8BAD44.10201%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 21:44:52 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003627.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003633.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3628">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3628">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3628">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3628">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 03/24/2011 04:37 PM, Thomas Backlund wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> I'm not sure it's broken. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Realtek is known to have somewhat crappy NICs that can tend to lock up +</I>><i> in a "middle state" if a driver probe comes too fast, and then they +</I>><i> dont react to any link or driver loading anymore. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> One way that might help is to power off the computer, disconnect it +</I>><i> from power _and_ disconnect the network cables, wait a few minutes, +</I>><i> connect everything again and try again. +</I> +OK. I *did* try a cold boot, but I didn't go quite that far. I'll try +this, but probably not till Monday. Odd, though, that I've never had a +whisper of trouble from this NIC in the years since I built this +machine. Thanks for the suggestion. +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003627.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003633.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3628">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3628">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3628">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3628">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003629.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003629.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b99b30232 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003629.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20vbox/vboxadditions%20conflicts%20question&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8BAF25.5090406%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003614.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003616.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20vbox/vboxadditions%20conflicts%20question&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8BAF25.5090406%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 21:52:53 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003614.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003616.html">[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3629">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3629">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3629">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3629">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Frank Griffin a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On 03/24/2011 12:41 PM, andre999 wrote: +</I>>><i> Frank Griffin a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Is there an rpm or urpmq query +</I>>>><i> that will highlight conflicts between installed packages on a system ? +</I>>>><i> For example, if I installed dkms-virtualbox and then installed +</I>>>><i> dkms-vboxadditions with --force, is there a query which would report +</I>>>><i> that these two are in conflict ? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> good idea. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Also, it seems that when a conflict is reported, it should list the +</I>>><i> applications (and versions) it finds to be in conflict. +</I>>><i> It is _really_ frustrating to have these anonymous conflicts, when +</I>>><i> rpm/urpm must know what it is finding in conflict. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I was hoping this was already possible. If it's not, I'll enter an +</I>><i> enhancement request. Could some rpm/urpmq guru confirm one way or the +</I>><i> other, please ? +</I> +I was thinking of installs in rpmdrake (under mdv). +Sometimes it says that a package can't be installed -- if I remember +correctly, because of conflicts -- but doesn't give the blocker. + +If I try to install the package directly (from console or Nautilus) +often I get more info. Sometimes I have found circular +depends/conflicts, so I have had to use --force to work around the problem. + +If it is an upgrade, sometimes uninstalling the old package (with +rpmdrake), then installing the new, works. (But it is not always +possible to uninstall without uninstalling a lot of other packages.) + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003614.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003616.html">[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3629">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3629">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3629">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3629">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003630.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003630.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..732dae61f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003630.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201103242204.56094.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003624.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003631.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201103242204.56094.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 22:04:56 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003624.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003631.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3630">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3630">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3630">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3630">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 20:55:47 schreef Ahmad Samir: +><i> On 24 March 2011 21:36, Maarten Vanraes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 14:10:39 schreef Romain d'Alverny: +</I>><i> >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:13, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> >> > Like I said before, KDE3.5 coexisted very well with KDE4 since 2009.1 +</I>><i> >> > on Mandriva and Trinity is even more so being developed with +</I>><i> >> > coexistence in mind, so there shouldn't be any unsolvable issues. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Maybe it did coexist well at a significant cost on the packaging side? +</I>><i> >> (time, packaging compromises) and maybe the situation isn't exactly +</I>><i> >> the same as then? +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> > This is exactly what I would call a reasonable factual argumentation. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> But an argument is not going to make anyone progress one way or the +</I>><i> >> other here obviously. If there are fears, then provide facts to +</I>><i> >> counter them (no argument, but facts). +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> You propose to add TDE in the repository. After this discussion, the +</I>><i> >> next step is you to first package TDE, build and test and +</I>><i> >> see/demonstrate how it goes, regarding at least these 5 points +</I>><i> >> (summarized from above) before an integration is considered: +</I>><i> >> 1. no conflict on files +</I>><i> >> 2. install in %_prefix (not in /opt) +</I>><i> >> 3. no duplicate software name (do not confuse user to decide between +</I>><i> >> tde-k3b and k3b for instance - or find a realistic workaround use +</I>><i> >> case). +</I>><i> >> 4. at this point, no apps outside of the TDE project should require TDE +</I>><i> >> 5. committed maintainers +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Romain +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > also promising to maintain qt3 as long as it's needed and here, the same +</I>><i> > thing, not conflicting with qt4 in any way +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How could a packager propose to maintain qt3 when it's been dead +</I>><i> upstream for years? so no upstream support/patches/whatever... +</I> +yes, it would be a huge amount of work; and that's exactly the reason i +proposed to OP to just wait until it's qt4. +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003624.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003631.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3630">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3630">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3630">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3630">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003631.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003631.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4a4698ceb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003631.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikZUJW_HahPULaWjMbSDFidRVS8i4WxG84Y7Uvg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003630.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003634.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Dexter Morgan</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikZUJW_HahPULaWjMbSDFidRVS8i4WxG84Y7Uvg%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">dmorganec at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 22:09:50 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003630.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003634.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3631">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3631">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3631">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3631">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Maarten Vanraes +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 20:55:47 schreef Ahmad Samir: +</I>>><i> On 24 March 2011 21:36, Maarten Vanraes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> > Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 14:10:39 schreef Romain d'Alverny: +</I>>><i> >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:13, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> >> > Like I said before, KDE3.5 coexisted very well with KDE4 since 2009.1 +</I>>><i> >> > on Mandriva and Trinity is even more so being developed with +</I>>><i> >> > coexistence in mind, so there shouldn't be any unsolvable issues. +</I>>><i> >> +</I>>><i> >> Maybe it did coexist well at a significant cost on the packaging side? +</I>>><i> >> (time, packaging compromises) and maybe the situation isn't exactly +</I>>><i> >> the same as then? +</I>>><i> >> +</I>>><i> >> > This is exactly what I would call a reasonable factual argumentation. +</I>>><i> >> +</I>>><i> >> But an argument is not going to make anyone progress one way or the +</I>>><i> >> other here obviously. If there are fears, then provide facts to +</I>>><i> >> counter them (no argument, but facts). +</I>>><i> >> +</I>>><i> >> You propose to add TDE in the repository. After this discussion, the +</I>>><i> >> next step is you to first package TDE, build and test and +</I>>><i> >> see/demonstrate how it goes, regarding at least these 5 points +</I>>><i> >> (summarized from above) before an integration is considered: +</I>>><i> >>  1. no conflict on files +</I>>><i> >>  2. install in %_prefix (not in /opt) +</I>>><i> >>  3. no duplicate software name (do not confuse user to decide between +</I>>><i> >> tde-k3b and k3b for instance - or find a realistic workaround use +</I>>><i> >> case). +</I>>><i> >>  4. at this point, no apps outside of the TDE project should require TDE +</I>>><i> >>  5. committed maintainers +</I>>><i> >> +</I>>><i> >> Romain +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > also promising to maintain qt3 as long as it's needed and here, the same +</I>>><i> > thing, not conflicting with qt4 in any way +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> How could a packager propose to maintain qt3 when it's been dead +</I>>><i> upstream for years? so no upstream support/patches/whatever... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> yes, it would be a huge amount of work; and that's exactly the reason i +</I>><i> proposed to OP to just wait until it's qt4. +</I>><i> +</I> +this will just remove the qt3 issue bug all the other issues will +still be valid. +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003630.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003634.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3631">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3631">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3631">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3631">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003632.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003632.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ca28143eb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003632.html @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8BB564.60305%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003616.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8BB564.60305%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 22:19:32 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003616.html">[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3632">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3632">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3632">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3632">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Robert Xu a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On Mar 23, 2011, at 17:28, Dexter Morgan<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Olivier Blin<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> Dexter Morgan<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>> writes: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> I certainly don't have the web space and bandwidth resources for a +</I>>>>>><i> repository and frankly I joined Mageia as a packager precisely because I +</I>>>>>><i> thought Mageia would finally make confusing and conflicting third party +</I>>>>>><i> repos (like Mandriva has) obsolete. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> We can host repositories for you, if Mageia is unwilling to accept them - +</I>>>>>><i> you could make a kde3 rpm that adds the necessary sources to use. Or, Mageia +</I>>>>>><i> could make an official kde3 repository that is disabled by default but can +</I>>>>>><i> be enabled on installer/rpmdrake. I'm not the expert at this, though :-/ +</I>>>>>><i> that's mageia dev decisions. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> no a special repo hosted by mageia is not a good idea, we will not +</I>>>>><i> start to do repo for all that way. This need to be external, +</I>>>>><i> independant repository. +</I>>>>><i> If you can host it this would be perfect. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> This would be a mess, like previously with Mandriva and its few +</I>>>><i> third-party repositories with various quality level, where the distro +</I>>>><i> packaging policy can't be enforced. +</I>>>><i> This is bad for end-users. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Why not include TrinityDE in Mageia repos? +</I>>>><i> If not conflicting with KDE4, not having similar provides, and not even +</I>>>><i> installed by default, it seems ok to include it in the distro. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> we will face too many pbs simple question: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> we provide k3b ( kde apps ) trinity provide k3b ( kde3 apps ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Uh, no, k3b-trinity or k3b-kde3 +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> files are similar ( or named the same ), how users will distinguish +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No.. That's the purpose of /opt/kde3 +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> the version it wants? how to deal with conflicts ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What conflicts? We're installing in a seperate prefix. Also, the RPM +</I>><i> requires, provides, conflicts, etc have long been fixed, no? +</I> +It might be better to use /usr/tde/kde3/ instead of /opt/kde3/ (which is +a bit questionable according to fs guidelines). +(assuming of course that /usr/tde/ is used for trinity.) + +That way it is unquestionably linked to trinity, and can be easily +retired without fear of conflict when trinity migration is complete. +Maybe the same could be done for qt3-devel requirements ? +(Of course that would be more work for trinity people.) + +It is better to use trinity-kde3 for requires, as someone else suggested. +(And similarly trinity-qt3-devel.) + +my 2 cents :) + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003616.html">[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3632">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3632">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3632">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3632">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003633.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003633.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8cdbdc52d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003633.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8BB811.4040106%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003628.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003612.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Sudden%20problems%20with%20r8169%20NICs%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8BB811.4040106%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ?">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 22:30:57 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003628.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003612.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3633">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3633">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3633">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3633">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Frank Griffin a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On 03/24/2011 04:37 PM, Thomas Backlund wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I'm not sure it's broken. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Realtek is known to have somewhat crappy NICs that can tend to lock up +</I>>><i> in a "middle state" if a driver probe comes too fast, and then they +</I>>><i> dont react to any link or driver loading anymore. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> One way that might help is to power off the computer, disconnect it +</I>>><i> from power _and_ disconnect the network cables, wait a few minutes, +</I>>><i> connect everything again and try again. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> OK. I *did* try a cold boot, but I didn't go quite that far. I'll try +</I>><i> this, but probably not till Monday. Odd, though, that I've never had a +</I>><i> whisper of trouble from this NIC in the years since I built this +</I>><i> machine. Thanks for the suggestion. +</I> +I had a similar problem from time to time on a system with an 8139c nic +a while back. +The suggested solution worked. +(It was a common solution for similar problems at the time.) +Sometimes unplugging/replugging the data cable a few times helps. +It might be more the connected circuits than the nic itself. +Static charges, apparently. + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003628.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003612.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3633">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3633">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3633">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3633">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003634.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003634.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dca2ac757 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003634.html @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201103242241.14187.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003631.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003568.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%203.5%0A%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201103242241.14187.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 22:41:14 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003631.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003568.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3634">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3634">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3634">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3634">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 22:09:50 schreef Dexter Morgan: +><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Maarten Vanraes +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 20:55:47 schreef Ahmad Samir: +</I>><i> >> On 24 March 2011 21:36, Maarten Vanraes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>> +</I>wrote: +><i> >> > Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 14:10:39 schreef Romain d'Alverny: +</I>><i> >> >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:13, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> >> >> > Like I said before, KDE3.5 coexisted very well with KDE4 since +</I>><i> >> >> > 2009.1 on Mandriva and Trinity is even more so being developed +</I>><i> >> >> > with coexistence in mind, so there shouldn't be any unsolvable +</I>><i> >> >> > issues. +</I>><i> >> >> +</I>><i> >> >> Maybe it did coexist well at a significant cost on the packaging +</I>><i> >> >> side? (time, packaging compromises) and maybe the situation isn't +</I>><i> >> >> exactly the same as then? +</I>><i> >> >> +</I>><i> >> >> > This is exactly what I would call a reasonable factual +</I>><i> >> >> > argumentation. +</I>><i> >> >> +</I>><i> >> >> But an argument is not going to make anyone progress one way or the +</I>><i> >> >> other here obviously. If there are fears, then provide facts to +</I>><i> >> >> counter them (no argument, but facts). +</I>><i> >> >> +</I>><i> >> >> You propose to add TDE in the repository. After this discussion, the +</I>><i> >> >> next step is you to first package TDE, build and test and +</I>><i> >> >> see/demonstrate how it goes, regarding at least these 5 points +</I>><i> >> >> (summarized from above) before an integration is considered: +</I>><i> >> >> 1. no conflict on files +</I>><i> >> >> 2. install in %_prefix (not in /opt) +</I>><i> >> >> 3. no duplicate software name (do not confuse user to decide between +</I>><i> >> >> tde-k3b and k3b for instance - or find a realistic workaround use +</I>><i> >> >> case). +</I>><i> >> >> 4. at this point, no apps outside of the TDE project should require +</I>><i> >> >> TDE 5. committed maintainers +</I>><i> >> >> +</I>><i> >> >> Romain +</I>><i> >> > +</I>><i> >> > also promising to maintain qt3 as long as it's needed and here, the +</I>><i> >> > same thing, not conflicting with qt4 in any way +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> How could a packager propose to maintain qt3 when it's been dead +</I>><i> >> upstream for years? so no upstream support/patches/whatever... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > yes, it would be a huge amount of work; and that's exactly the reason i +</I>><i> > proposed to OP to just wait until it's qt4. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> this will just remove the qt3 issue bug all the other issues will +</I>><i> still be valid. +</I> +i'm hoping that by that time, that some apps will be the KDE4 apps or really +their own apps. + +And in any case, it's a lot less work. + +The way i see it, it's seems there's: +A) alot of work to maintain this +B) quite some potential issues +C) seemingly not alot of benefits + +B is the main point here, if they are dedicated to it, and can give good +points on B. then sure, why not. IF they can also handle A. + +but don't get me wrong, there is not much chance of me actually using TDE. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003631.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003568.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3634">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3634">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3634">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3634">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003635.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003635.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8909432fa --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003635.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8BBA7E.7060406%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003626.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003636.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8BBA7E.7060406%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 22:41:18 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003626.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003636.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3635">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3635">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3635">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3635">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 20:08, Anssi Hannula<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> On 24.03.2011 19:35, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +</I>>>><i> Summary (from <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy</A>): +</I>>>><i> * core: stuff that is not Free/Open Source according to OSI/FSF does +</I>>>><i> not belong here. Not even closed-source stuff that we can +</I>>>><i> redistribute. So if there is at this time, that's something to fix. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Most of files in kernel-firmware (which is in core) are not OSI/FSF free +</I>>><i> (approximate list from 2010 [1]). There was a short thread about that +</I>>><i> [2] where I asked the question if they should be moved to non-free due +</I>>><i> to them not being OSI/FSF free, and tmb agreed, while pterjan disagreed +</I>>><i> (saying BSD without source code (where a portion of the firmware files +</I>>><i> in question fall) is eligible for core). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> [1] <A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php</A> +</I>>><i> [2] <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ah right, sorry for overlooking this. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So what do we do? amend core inclusion definition for that? or move +</I>><i> these to nonfree? (and at what cost?) topic for next Council meeting +</I>><i> to decide? would you like to write a summary for this in +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions</A> +</I>><i> ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I> +fwiw, I think the best solution is to have an express policy to include +such firmware in core. +Without it, much hardware simply won't work. Firmware/drivers are +essentially extensions to hardware, so that software can work with them. +The hardware is changed, and firmware/drivers have to be changed to +accommodate the hardware. +These firmware/drivers provide an interface which allows (free) software +to run. +A practical solution, which doesn't hurt free software. +The alternative is (free) software that doesn't run properly. + +my 2 cents :) +-- +André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003626.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003636.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3635">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3635">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3635">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3635">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003636.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003636.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8f9f2a050 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110324/003636.html @@ -0,0 +1,124 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C20110324234436.2a4f1b53%40werewolf.home%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003635.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003585.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>JA Magallón</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C20110324234436.2a4f1b53%40werewolf.home%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">jamagallon at ono.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 24 23:44:36 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003635.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003585.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3636">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3636">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3636">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3636">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:41:18 -0400, andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: + +><i> Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 20:08, Anssi Hannula<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> >> On 24.03.2011 19:35, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +</I>><i> >>> Summary (from <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy</A>): +</I>><i> >>> * core: stuff that is not Free/Open Source according to OSI/FSF does +</I>><i> >>> not belong here. Not even closed-source stuff that we can +</I>><i> >>> redistribute. So if there is at this time, that's something to fix. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Most of files in kernel-firmware (which is in core) are not OSI/FSF free +</I>><i> >> (approximate list from 2010 [1]). There was a short thread about that +</I>><i> >> [2] where I asked the question if they should be moved to non-free due +</I>><i> >> to them not being OSI/FSF free, and tmb agreed, while pterjan disagreed +</I>><i> >> (saying BSD without source code (where a portion of the firmware files +</I>><i> >> in question fall) is eligible for core). +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> [1] <A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php</A> +</I>><i> >> [2] <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html</A> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Ah right, sorry for overlooking this. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So what do we do? amend core inclusion definition for that? or move +</I>><i> > these to nonfree? (and at what cost?) topic for next Council meeting +</I>><i> > to decide? would you like to write a summary for this in +</I>><i> > <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions</A> +</I>><i> > ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Romain +</I>><i> +</I>><i> fwiw, I think the best solution is to have an express policy to include +</I>><i> such firmware in core. +</I>><i> Without it, much hardware simply won't work. Firmware/drivers are +</I>><i> essentially extensions to hardware, so that software can work with them. +</I>><i> The hardware is changed, and firmware/drivers have to be changed to +</I>><i> accommodate the hardware. +</I>><i> These firmware/drivers provide an interface which allows (free) software +</I>><i> to run. +</I>><i> A practical solution, which doesn't hurt free software. +</I>><i> The alternative is (free) software that doesn't run properly. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> my 2 cents :) +</I> +Sincerely, I would be more than happy than nVidia drivers went to core, +but I'm pragmatic. I can understand that moving only firmwares to +core, and leaving nVidia, ATI and other closed source drivers in non-free +can be a compromise solution. It's the difference between losing +100% functionality of an important piece of hardware/system (network, +for example -now that I read the list in Anssi's mail, 80% of firmwares +in non-free are network- o fiber-channel), or getting a not so performant +system 'cause you dont have the binary drivers for your graphics card +(and I'm not aware of any other binary driver so popular/needed, nVidia +and ATI). + +So in short, there are three important pieces of software: +- net/fc/radeon firmwares, mandatory for some free drivers +- nVidia/ATI binary drivers, wanted but optional, not mandatory + +Firmwares and drivers, they are different beasts for me. + +And anyways, you already have firmwares in your hardware and in your +kernel which source you can't look at... +And cherry picking firmwares from standard kernel source looks like +madness for me. + +-- +J.A. 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HREF="003570.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3570"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003571.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3571"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003572.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3572"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003573.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3573"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003574.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3574"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003575.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3575"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003576.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3576"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003577.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3577"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003578.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3578"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003579.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3579"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003580.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3580"> </A> +<I>Rémi Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003581.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3581"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003582.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3582"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003583.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3583"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003584.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3584"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003585.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3585"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003586.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3586"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003587.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3587"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003589.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3589"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003588.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3588"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003590.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3590"> </A> +<I>Colin Guthrie +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003591.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3591"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003592.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3592"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003593.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3593"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003594.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3594"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003595.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3595"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003596.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3596"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003597.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3597"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003598.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3598"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003599.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3599"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003600.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3600"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003601.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3601"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003602.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3602"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003603.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3603"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003604.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3604"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003605.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3605"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003606.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3606"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003607.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3607"> </A> +<I>Colin Guthrie +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003608.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3608"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003609.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3609"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003610.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3610"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003611.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3611"> </A> +<I>JA Magallón +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003612.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A><A NAME="3612"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003613.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3613"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003614.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A><A NAME="3614"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003615.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3615"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003616.html">[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test +</A><A NAME="3616"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003617.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3617"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003618.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3618"> </A> +<I>Colin Guthrie +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003619.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3619"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003620.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3620"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003621.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3621"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003622.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3622"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003623.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3623"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003624.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3624"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003625.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3625"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003626.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3626"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003627.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3627"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003628.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3628"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003629.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A><A NAME="3629"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003630.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3630"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003631.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3631"> </A> +<I>Dexter Morgan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003632.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3632"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003633.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3633"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003634.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3634"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003635.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3635"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003636.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3636"> </A> +<I>JA Magallón +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Mar 24 23:44:36 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Mar 24 23:44:40 CET 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a 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23:44:36 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 82<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="003616.html">[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test +</A><A NAME="3616"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003565.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3565"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003602.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3602"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003603.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3603"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003604.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3604"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003605.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3605"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003606.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3606"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003555.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3555"> </A> +<I>JA Magallón +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003558.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3558"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003559.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3559"> </A> +<I>Dexter Morgan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003560.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3560"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003564.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3564"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003566.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3566"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003567.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3567"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003569.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3569"> </A> +<I>Donald Stewart +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003570.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3570"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003571.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3571"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003573.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3573"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003574.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3574"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003575.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3575"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003576.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3576"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003577.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3577"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003578.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3578"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003579.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3579"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003580.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3580"> </A> +<I>Rémi Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003581.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3581"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003582.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3582"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003583.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3583"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003584.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3584"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003585.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3585"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003586.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3586"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003587.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3587"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003589.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3589"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003588.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3588"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003591.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3591"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003592.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3592"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003593.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3593"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003596.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3596"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003597.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3597"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003598.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3598"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003601.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3601"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003610.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3610"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003611.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3611"> </A> +<I>JA Magallón +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003613.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3613"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003615.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3615"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003617.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3617"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003619.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3619"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003620.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3620"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003621.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3621"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003625.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3625"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003626.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3626"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003635.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3635"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003636.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3636"> </A> +<I>JA Magallón +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003568.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3568"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003572.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3572"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003632.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3632"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003556.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3556"> </A> +<I>Robert Xu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003561.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3561"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003562.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3562"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003563.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3563"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003599.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3599"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003609.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3609"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003622.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3622"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003623.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3623"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003624.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3624"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003630.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3630"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003631.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3631"> </A> +<I>Dexter Morgan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003634.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3634"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003557.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3557"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003590.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3590"> </A> +<I>Colin Guthrie +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003594.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3594"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003595.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3595"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003600.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3600"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003607.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3607"> </A> +<I>Colin Guthrie +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003608.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3608"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003618.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3618"> </A> +<I>Colin Guthrie +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003627.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3627"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003628.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3628"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003633.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3633"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003612.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A><A NAME="3612"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003614.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A><A NAME="3614"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003629.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A><A NAME="3629"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Mar 24 23:44:36 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Mar 24 23:44:40 CET 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a 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href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Mar 24 00:08:40 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Mar 24 23:44:36 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 82<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01300921720- --> +<LI><A HREF="003555.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3555"> </A> +<I>JA Magallón +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01300921720-01300927121- --> +<LI><A HREF="003558.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3558"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326- --> +<LI><A HREF="003559.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3559"> </A> +<I>Dexter Morgan +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993- --> +<LI><A HREF="003560.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3560"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037- --> +<LI><A HREF="003564.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3564"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300958110- --> +<LI><A HREF="003566.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3566"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300958110-01300958565- --> +<LI><A HREF="003567.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3567"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300958110-01300958565-01300959554- --> +<LI><A HREF="003569.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3569"> </A> +<I>Donald Stewart +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300958110-01300958565-01300959554-01300959954- --> +<LI><A HREF="003570.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3570"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300958110-01300958565-01300959554-01300963681- --> +<LI><A HREF="003581.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3581"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759- --> +<LI><A HREF="003574.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3574"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300962234- --> +<LI><A HREF="003576.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3576"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963108- --> +<LI><A HREF="003577.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3577"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963108-01300963367- --> +<LI><A HREF="003579.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3579"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963108-01300963367-01300993847- --> +<LI><A HREF="003620.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3620"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963108-01300972920- --> +<LI><A HREF="003601.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3601"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963154- --> +<LI><A HREF="003578.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3578"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963154-01300963437- --> +<LI><A HREF="003580.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3580"> </A> +<I>Rémi Verschelde +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963154-01300963437-01300963773- --> +<LI><A HREF="003583.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3583"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963154-01300963437-01300963773-01300964047- --> +<LI><A HREF="003586.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3586"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963154-01300963702- --> +<LI><A HREF="003582.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3582"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963154-01300963702-01300964588- --> +<LI><A HREF="003587.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3587"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963154-01300963702-01300964588-01300965170- --> +<LI><A HREF="003588.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3588"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963154-01300963702-01300964588-01300965905- --> +<LI><A HREF="003592.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3592"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963154-01300963702-01300965764- --> +<LI><A HREF="003591.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3591"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963154-01300963702-01300996755- --> +<LI><A HREF="003625.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3625"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963154-01300969941- --> +<LI><A HREF="003597.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3597"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963154-01300969941-01300970508- --> +<LI><A HREF="003598.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3598"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963154-01300969941-01300970508-01300984310- --> +<LI><A HREF="003610.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3610"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963986- --> +<LI><A HREF="003584.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3584"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963986-01300967549- --> +<LI><A HREF="003593.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3593"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963986-01300969470- --> +<LI><A HREF="003596.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3596"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963986-01300969470-01300985122- --> +<LI><A HREF="003613.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3613"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963986-01300969470-01300985122-01300988101- --> +<LI><A HREF="003615.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3615"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963986-01300969470-01300985122-01300988101-01300993712- --> +<LI><A HREF="003619.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3619"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963986-01300969470-01300985122-01300988101-01300993712-01300998422- --> +<LI><A HREF="003626.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3626"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963986-01300969470-01300985122-01300988101-01300993712-01300998422-01301002878- --> +<LI><A HREF="003635.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3635"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300961759-01300963986-01300969470-01300985122-01300988101-01300993712-01300998422-01301002878-01301006676- --> +<LI><A HREF="003636.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3636"> </A> +<I>JA Magallón +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300963991- --> +<LI><A HREF="003585.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3585"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300957037-01300965162- --> +<LI><A HREF="003589.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3589"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300960470- --> +<LI><A HREF="003571.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3571"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300960470-01300961596- --> +<LI><A HREF="003573.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3573"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300960470-01300961596-01300961883- --> +<LI><A HREF="003575.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3575"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300960470-01300961596-01300961883-01300984610- --> +<LI><A HREF="003611.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3611"> </A> +<I>JA Magallón +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300960470-01300961596-01300961883-01300994152- --> +<LI><A HREF="003621.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3621"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<!--3 01300921720-01300927121-01300928326-01300929993-01300991230- --> +<LI><A HREF="003617.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A><A NAME="3617"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01300923583- --> +<LI><A HREF="003556.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3556"> </A> +<I>Robert Xu +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01300923583-01300924357- --> +<LI><A HREF="003557.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3557"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01300923583-01300924357-01300951398- --> +<LI><A HREF="003561.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3561"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01300923583-01300924357-01300951398-01300953213- --> +<LI><A HREF="003562.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3562"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<!--3 01300923583-01300924357-01300951398-01300953213-01300954433- --> +<LI><A 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HREF="003630.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3630"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<!--3 01300923583-01300924357-01300951398-01300953213-01300954433-01300972239-01300995417-01300996547-01301000696-01301000990- --> +<LI><A HREF="003631.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3631"> </A> +<I>Dexter Morgan +</I> + +<!--3 01300923583-01300924357-01300951398-01300953213-01300954433-01300972239-01300995417-01300996547-01301000696-01301000990-01301002874- --> +<LI><A HREF="003634.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3634"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01300923583-01300959085- --> +<LI><A HREF="003568.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3568"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01300923583-01300959085-01300960578- --> +<LI><A HREF="003572.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3572"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01300923583-01300959085-01300960578-01300980135- --> +<LI><A HREF="003609.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3609"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01300923583-01300959085-01300960578-01300980135-01300995615- --> +<LI><A HREF="003623.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3623"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01300958099- --> +<LI><A HREF="003565.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3565"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01300958099-01300973969- --> +<LI><A HREF="003602.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3602"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01300958099-01300973969-01300974320- --> +<LI><A HREF="003603.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3603"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01300958099-01300973969-01300974320-01300974949- --> +<LI><A HREF="003604.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3604"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<!--3 01300958099-01300973969-01300974320-01300974949-01300976928- --> +<LI><A HREF="003606.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3606"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01300958099-01300973969-01300974320-01300975110- --> +<LI><A HREF="003605.html">[Mageia-dev] Gstreamer pfl codecs/plugins +</A><A NAME="3605"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01300965529- --> +<LI><A HREF="003590.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3590"> </A> +<I>Colin Guthrie +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01300965529-01300967735- --> +<LI><A HREF="003594.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3594"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01300965529-01300967735-01300968169- --> +<LI><A HREF="003595.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3595"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01300965529-01300967735-01300968169-01300972919- --> +<LI><A HREF="003600.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3600"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<!--3 01300965529-01300967735-01300968169-01300972919-01300977320- --> +<LI><A HREF="003607.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3607"> </A> +<I>Colin Guthrie +</I> + +<!--3 01300965529-01300967735-01300968169-01300972919-01300977320-01300979536- --> +<LI><A HREF="003608.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3608"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<!--3 01300965529-01300967735-01300968169-01300972919-01300977320-01300979536-01300993359- --> +<LI><A HREF="003618.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3618"> </A> +<I>Colin Guthrie +</I> + +<!--3 01300965529-01300967735-01300968169-01300972919-01300999041- --> +<LI><A HREF="003627.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3627"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<!--3 01300965529-01300967735-01300968169-01300972919-01300999041-01300999492- --> +<LI><A HREF="003628.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3628"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<!--3 01300965529-01300967735-01300968169-01300972919-01300999041-01300999492-01301002257- --> +<LI><A HREF="003633.html">[Mageia-dev] Sudden problems with r8169 NICs ? +</A><A NAME="3633"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01300984908- --> +<LI><A HREF="003612.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A><A NAME="3612"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01300984908-01300985191- --> +<LI><A HREF="003614.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A><A NAME="3614"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01300984908-01300985191-01300999973- --> +<LI><A HREF="003629.html">[Mageia-dev] vbox/vboxadditions conflicts question +</A><A NAME="3629"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01300991084- --> +<LI><A HREF="003616.html">[Mageia-dev] buildsystem => maintainers db link test +</A><A NAME="3616"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--0 01301001572- --> +<LI><A HREF="003632.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A><A NAME="3632"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Mar 24 23:44:36 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Mar 24 23:44:40 CET 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive 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