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Then +</I>>><i> one day, non-free was created, and then soon, it was activated by +</I>>><i> default for the free version. Then I opened this bug, +</I>>><i> <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=40033">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=40033</A> , who took 2 years to be +</I>>><i> fixed. And what I just see is yet another push to bury a little bit more +</I>>><i> values I care. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please be more explicit about the values here then. So far I don't see +</I>><i> no push. We're discussing this. Speaking of values, is this going +</I>><i> against the project values and announcement so far? (even in a +</I>><i> slippery way) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Obviously, the very imperfect nature of free/non-free semantics does +</I>><i> not help at all here. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Summary (from <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy</A>): +</I>><i> * core: stuff that is not Free/Open Source according to OSI/FSF does +</I>><i> not belong here. Not even closed-source stuff that we can +</I>><i> redistribute. So if there is at this time, that's something to fix. +</I> +Most of files in kernel-firmware (which is in core) are not OSI/FSF free +(approximate list from 2010 [1]). There was a short thread about that +[2] where I asked the question if they should be moved to non-free due +to them not being OSI/FSF free, and tmb agreed, while pterjan disagreed +(saying BSD without source code (where a portion of the firmware files +in question fall) is eligible for core). + +[1] <A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php</A> +[2] <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html</A> + +><i> * nonfree: what does not qualify for core that we can still +</I>><i> redistribute; includes closed-source, proprietary, binaries and blobs. +</I>><i> * tainted: what could be in core or nonfree but bears more risks +</I>><i> (software patents, most likely for now). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now, for what we distribute in printed medias (DVD/CD for now), the +</I>><i> initial point was to provide some necessary bits from nonfree along +</I>><i> with core so that a local install can work with some specific hardware +</I>><i> (network, video). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That does not prevent from shipping CD/DVD that only bear core on it I +</I>><i> believe? (what we used to do with Free at MDV). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And that does not prevent from shipping too CD/DVD that bears more +</I>><i> than that (stuff located in nonfree), to ease setup for some users (or +</I>><i> even make a LiveCD usable). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Is there a problem here? which one? +</I> + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003615.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003626.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3619">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3619">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3619">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3619">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |