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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1>
<B>Anssi Hannula</B>
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<I>Thu Mar 24 20:08:32 CET 2011</I>
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<PRE>On 24.03.2011 19:35, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
><i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 17:45, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote:
</I>>><i> But my issue is not about non-free firmwares and those who use them or
</I>>><i> not, but about the gradual move to non-free packages on the free dvd iso
</I>>><i> ( <A HREF="http://netsplit.com/2006/11/27/slippery-slopes/">http://netsplit.com/2006/11/27/slippery-slopes/</A> ).
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> When I started at Mandrake Linux, there was no non-free repository. Then
</I>>><i> one day, non-free was created, and then soon, it was activated by
</I>>><i> default for the free version. Then I opened this bug,
</I>>><i> <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=40033">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=40033</A> , who took 2 years to be
</I>>><i> fixed. And what I just see is yet another push to bury a little bit more
</I>>><i> values I care.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Please be more explicit about the values here then. So far I don't see
</I>><i> no push. We're discussing this. Speaking of values, is this going
</I>><i> against the project values and announcement so far? (even in a
</I>><i> slippery way)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Obviously, the very imperfect nature of free/non-free semantics does
</I>><i> not help at all here.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Summary (from <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy</A>):
</I>><i> * core: stuff that is not Free/Open Source according to OSI/FSF does
</I>><i> not belong here. Not even closed-source stuff that we can
</I>><i> redistribute. So if there is at this time, that's something to fix.
</I>
Most of files in kernel-firmware (which is in core) are not OSI/FSF free
(approximate list from 2010 [1]). There was a short thread about that
[2] where I asked the question if they should be moved to non-free due
to them not being OSI/FSF free, and tmb agreed, while pterjan disagreed
(saying BSD without source code (where a portion of the firmware files
in question fall) is eligible for core).
[1] <A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php</A>
[2] <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html</A>
><i> * nonfree: what does not qualify for core that we can still
</I>><i> redistribute; includes closed-source, proprietary, binaries and blobs.
</I>><i> * tainted: what could be in core or nonfree but bears more risks
</I>><i> (software patents, most likely for now).
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Now, for what we distribute in printed medias (DVD/CD for now), the
</I>><i> initial point was to provide some necessary bits from nonfree along
</I>><i> with core so that a local install can work with some specific hardware
</I>><i> (network, video).
</I>><i>
</I>><i> That does not prevent from shipping CD/DVD that only bear core on it I
</I>><i> believe? (what we used to do with Free at MDV).
</I>><i>
</I>><i> And that does not prevent from shipping too CD/DVD that bears more
</I>><i> than that (stuff located in nonfree), to ease setup for some users (or
</I>><i> even make a LiveCD usable).
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Is there a problem here? which one?
</I>
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Anssi Hannula
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