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Not even closed-source stuff that we can +</I>><i> >>> redistribute. So if there is at this time, that's something to fix. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Most of files in kernel-firmware (which is in core) are not OSI/FSF free +</I>><i> >> (approximate list from 2010 [1]). There was a short thread about that +</I>><i> >> [2] where I asked the question if they should be moved to non-free due +</I>><i> >> to them not being OSI/FSF free, and tmb agreed, while pterjan disagreed +</I>><i> >> (saying BSD without source code (where a portion of the firmware files +</I>><i> >> in question fall) is eligible for core). +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> [1] <A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php</A> +</I>><i> >> [2] <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html</A> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Ah right, sorry for overlooking this. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So what do we do? amend core inclusion definition for that? or move +</I>><i> > these to nonfree? (and at what cost?) topic for next Council meeting +</I>><i> > to decide? would you like to write a summary for this in +</I>><i> > <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions</A> +</I>><i> > ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Romain +</I>><i> +</I>><i> fwiw, I think the best solution is to have an express policy to include +</I>><i> such firmware in core. +</I>><i> Without it, much hardware simply won't work. Firmware/drivers are +</I>><i> essentially extensions to hardware, so that software can work with them. +</I>><i> The hardware is changed, and firmware/drivers have to be changed to +</I>><i> accommodate the hardware. +</I>><i> These firmware/drivers provide an interface which allows (free) software +</I>><i> to run. +</I>><i> A practical solution, which doesn't hurt free software. +</I>><i> The alternative is (free) software that doesn't run properly. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> my 2 cents :) +</I> +Sincerely, I would be more than happy than nVidia drivers went to core, +but I'm pragmatic. I can understand that moving only firmwares to +core, and leaving nVidia, ATI and other closed source drivers in non-free +can be a compromise solution. It's the difference between losing +100% functionality of an important piece of hardware/system (network, +for example -now that I read the list in Anssi's mail, 80% of firmwares +in non-free are network- o fiber-channel), or getting a not so performant +system 'cause you dont have the binary drivers for your graphics card +(and I'm not aware of any other binary driver so popular/needed, nVidia +and ATI). + +So in short, there are three important pieces of software: +- net/fc/radeon firmwares, mandatory for some free drivers +- nVidia/ATI binary drivers, wanted but optional, not mandatory + +Firmwares and drivers, they are different beasts for me. + +And anyways, you already have firmwares in your hardware and in your +kernel which source you can't look at... +And cherry picking firmwares from standard kernel source looks like +madness for me. + +-- +J.A. Magallon <jamagallon()ono!com> \ Software is like sex: + \ It's better when it's free +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003635.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003585.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3636">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3636">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3636">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3636">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |