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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+ <I>Thu Mar 24 17:45:22 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 24 mars 2011 &#224; 14:24 +0200, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 24.03.2011 12:53, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi 24 mars 2011 &#224; 11:15 +0100, Thorsten van Lil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; No, but the question is more , will we provide a &quot;non free&quot; dvd iso,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; and this question is i think interesting.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; A possible solution for people with such a setup could be a non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;driver cd ISO&quot; which they could include in the installation process.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; What about a DVD including non-free packages but has the option to not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; install them?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I think the majority of the users don't care that much about proprietary
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; issues, they just need them for using there wireless card or graphic
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; card. Those how do care can just uncheck the non-free part of the DVD. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well, personally, then I would just continue to use Fedora or others
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distribution on my computers, and keep Mageia just for the servers of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora includes non-free firmware both in repo and medias, so why prefer
+</I>&gt;<i> that?
+</I>
+I know, I likely use them for my wifi card (Atheros AR5008) and also use
+external ones for my dvb card ( aver-tv red hd+ ), and my webcam
+( iSight ).
+
+But my issue is not about non-free firmwares and those who use them or
+not, but about the gradual move to non-free packages on the free dvd iso
+( <A HREF="http://netsplit.com/2006/11/27/slippery-slopes/">http://netsplit.com/2006/11/27/slippery-slopes/</A> ).
+
+When I started at Mandrake Linux, there was no non-free repository. Then
+one day, non-free was created, and then soon, it was activated by
+default for the free version. Then I opened this bug,
+<A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=40033">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=40033</A> , who took 2 years to be
+fixed. And what I just see is yet another push to bury a little bit more
+values I care.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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