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That this assumed majority does not +</I>><i> > care about the issue does not mean we should not care either. We +</I>><i> > should rather stress the point. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > We already made such a difference by using different repositories, we +</I>><i> > not continue this in our "product line"? We use a different repo for +</I>><i> > non-free, we also should use a different ISO for non-free. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, that's precisely debatable (and why I'll try to setup a relevant +</I>><i> survey through marcom). The ISO can be seen as a static commodity +</I>><i> storage; that it holds core and nonfree makes no such difference as +</I>><i> that those two media are available from the network without +</I>><i> discrimination. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So yes, the ISO in itself would not be free anymore; but as long as +</I>><i> the install process does not pick into the nonfree media unless the +</I>><i> user asks to, what does it make an issue (not that I have no idea +</I>><i> about that, just that I'd like to see it expressed again from a +</I>><i> different POV of mine - and that will help for the survey definition +</I>><i> too). +</I> +The question is, why do we want to have a free distribution? What are suitable +guidelines? + +The users who want a Free distribution, would probably choose one that adheres +to the FSF free distribution guidelines: + +<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html">http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html</A> + +I think we already don't meet them, with or without a Free DVD, even if we +were to remove non-free firmware in the kernel, because we have non-free +repos. + + +><i> +</I>><i> And that would make the case for a consistent installing experience +</I>><i> that, no matter you're doing an exclusively ISO-based install or a +</I>><i> network-based install, you get through the same steps (with a +</I>><i> consistent opt-in or opt-out, clearly explained). It would only happen +</I>><i> that non-free media is available locally if asked for. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The alternative, if we're not to mix things on the static media, is to +</I>><i> have distinct ISOs: free and nonfree/tainted ones. Times the format: +</I>><i> DVD/CD/arch/USB through which we would have to decide to ease: +</I>><i> building, qa and distribution (we will have to choose a default one to +</I>><i> provide to visitors on the download page for instance). +</I> +Is there a real benefit? Or, is usability more important? Or, do we want to +discuss with FSF the guidelines and whether it is possible for a distribution +project to both meet their guidelines (e.g., if user chooses X media, they +will never be prompted for non-free software, repositories etc.) and be useful +for real-world-users who can't always choose hardware based on open-ness +alone? + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003592.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003625.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3591">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3591">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3591">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3591">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |