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That this assumed majority does not +</I>>><i> care about the issue does not mean we should not care either. We +</I>>><i> should rather stress the point. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> We already made such a difference by using different repositories, we +</I>>><i> not continue this in our "product line"? We use a different repo for +</I>>><i> non-free, we also should use a different ISO for non-free. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, that's precisely debatable (and why I'll try to setup a relevant +</I>><i> survey through marcom). The ISO can be seen as a static commodity +</I>><i> storage; that it holds core and nonfree makes no such difference as +</I>><i> that those two media are available from the network without +</I>><i> discrimination. +</I>><i> +</I> +exactly. +Adding these non-free drivers -- for which a reliable free equivalent +doesn't exist -- would take a very small part of the dvd, which would +thus remain essentially free. +(We could even call it "essentially free, with some proprietary drivers." +This approach would remove the need to produce another iso to fill the +gap caused by missing drivers. + +And options during installation will allow purists to avoid installing +any non-free drivers -- at the expense of having a system that doesn't +fully function, of course. But that is their legitimate choice. + +At the same time, those wanting their system to work "out of the box" +will be satisfied as well. + +><i> So yes, the ISO in itself would not be free anymore; but as long as +</I>><i> the install process does not pick into the nonfree media unless the +</I>><i> user asks to, what does it make an issue (not that I have no idea +</I>><i> about that, just that I'd like to see it expressed again from a +</I>><i> different POV of mine - and that will help for the survey definition +</I>><i> too). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And that would make the case for a consistent installing experience +</I>><i> that, no matter you're doing an exclusively ISO-based install or a +</I>><i> network-based install, you get through the same steps (with a +</I>><i> consistent opt-in or opt-out, clearly explained). It would only happen +</I>><i> that non-free media is available locally if asked for. +</I> +good point. This will make support easier as well. + +><i> The alternative, if we're not to mix things on the static media, is to +</I>><i> have distinct ISOs: free and nonfree/tainted ones. Times the format: +</I>><i> DVD/CD/arch/USB through which we would have to decide to ease: +</I>><i> building, qa and distribution (we will have to choose a default one to +</I>><i> provide to visitors on the download page for instance). +</I> +I think we should avoid unnecessary complexity. + +As well, a single dvd (for each of 32 & 64 bit) will avoid the problem +of users downloading the free dvd only to find that they need the +missing drivers. + +But those really concerned could easily produce a non-official dvd +without the few non-free drivers. + +another 2 cents :) + +><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I> +-- +André +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003591.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003597.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3625">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3625">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3625">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3625">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |