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+<PRE>Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 &#224; 22:16 +0000, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Michael Scherer at 31/10/11 21:44 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 &#224; 21:06 +0000, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 31/10/11 20:55 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Op maandag 31 oktober 2011 21:34:04 schreef D.Morgan:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; But seriously, if we can't maintain/fix something like chromium-browser,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; we should just drop it completely, maybe have a get-chromium package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; instead
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; why ? i package it regularly and tvignaud too.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; what about dropping all packages that have bugs ? this is just stupid
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; and you should first ask ppl packaging it before giving such ideas
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; ok, i get it, (allthough i did say &quot;IF&quot;) I guess it's a misguided attempt of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; myself to get more maintainership...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I think the attempts to get more official partnerships by Samuel and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; yourself are very valuable, but by the same token, I think we need to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; accept that having a single maintainer for some packages just doens't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; make sense.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For example things like initscripts, udev, systemd etc. should be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; maintained by a &quot;core&quot; team, and IMO, not a single person (tho' if
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; someone steps up and is proven to be reliable then this is obviously not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; a bad thing per-se!). I'm certainly happy to help out here.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well, so far, the system do not support this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So either this supposed team is able to organise itself to have one of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the member to act as a gate to take maitainership and dispatch task
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think both socially and expectation wise, being a the gatekeeper in
+</I>&gt;<i> such context still carries a lot of responsibility that people would not
+</I>&gt;<i> feel too comfortable with, nor would there necessarily be the social
+</I>&gt;<i> hierarchy where said gatekeeper would feel sufficiently authorised to
+</I>&gt;<i> dish out tasks to others.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or someone patch the maintdb script to have more than one person.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This would be better, or perhaps &quot;team accounts&quot; can be created which
+</I>&gt;<i> forward mail to the members rather than having multiple maintainers..
+</I>
+There would be several problem with that :
+
+- that would would break the assumption we used in our ldap of 1 account
+= 1 person, assumption that we used every where in the auth system. For
+example, on the bugzilla settings, or seeing the bug that are assigned
+
+- that would also have the side effect of having some package not
+managed while appearing as such. For example, unless all maintainer are
+equally skilled, we will not
+
+- that doesn't solve the issues of &quot;who decide who get in the group&quot;.
+That's a basic gouvernance issue that I ask each time the question
+arise, and that is never answered AFAIK.
+
+The more important problem is not really technical, as I said in the
+past, but really organisational.
+
+The proposal of a core team will just mean we have a 2 tier hierarchy of
+maintainer, like we did in the past with main/contribs. Except that it
+doesn't solve the issue of having thing not really maintained.
+( and that's not really very egalitarian IMHO )
+
+If people in the core team cannot solve all problems, ie, if we have
+specialization ( which seems unavoidable IMHO ), we still need to know
+who can do something, hence some way to find who maintain something.
+
+What if the team take care of gcc, glibc, systemd, but there is only 1
+person knowing enough gcc out of X ? How do we see there is a problem
+when this person say &quot;I cannot do my work for now/I leave&quot;.
+
+Who ultimately decide if needed ?
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; As long as &quot;being managed by several people&quot; will be seen the same way
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as &quot;maintained by nobody&quot;, we will have the same problem as mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally I don't buy that explanation. Of course it can be true in
+</I>&gt;<i> some cases (everyone just waits for someone else to fix it) but I
+</I>&gt;<i> suspect the odds of things getting fixed is still much higher than when
+</I>&gt;<i> a package is officially maintained by nobody...
+</I>
+Yet, there is several studies on the social proof ( one of the most
+affordable is the book from Robert Cialdiani, see the chapter about it
+).
+
+On a side note, the issue is not to put more packagers to solve more
+bugs, but to put the right person in charge. The maintainer db is the
+way we use for the first step for maintainer. Now if a packager want
+help, he can simply ask.
+
+But in the end, if no step to do anything, the bug will still be there.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Being maintained officially by someone do not prevent others to help.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So I do not see any good reason to have them marked as nobody.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I certainly don't expect a package maintained by a team to be marked as
+</I>&gt;<i> nobody (well, certainly not longer term).
+</I>
+Yet, that's exactly what happen at Mandriva since years, and that's the
+problem. Ie, if we do not start to solve the issue now, it will just
+stay as longer term as usual.
+
+Ie, there is lots of rpm marked as unmaintained that are not, and lots
+that are marked as maintained.
+
+And for now, the choice are either &quot;nobody&quot;, or &quot;someone&quot;. Anything else
+is not coded, and therefor do not exist.
+
+&gt;<i> But again, I think even
+</I>&gt;<i> allocating a gatekeeper or a team leader puts too many social pressures
+</I>&gt;<i> on that person, and imposes something of a hierarchy that really doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> seem appropriate. Also things don't happen automatically - such as all
+</I>&gt;<i> the team members getting CC'ed on bugzilla etc which would make it quite
+</I>&gt;<i> a lot of admin work for said gatekeeper on top of the actual bug fixes
+</I>&gt;<i> which again I think is too much.
+</I>
+Without leader, who decide who access the group ? Who dispatch the work,
+decide the software managed by the group ? And so how is this better
+than now ?
+
+
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+Michael Scherer
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+&gt;<i> I certainly don't expect a package maintained by a team to be marked as
+</I>&gt;<i> nobody (well, certainly not longer term). But again, I think even
+</I>&gt;<i> allocating a gatekeeper or a team leader puts too many social pressures
+</I>&gt;<i> on that person, and imposes something of a hierarchy that really doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> seem appropriate. Also things don't happen automatically - such as all
+</I>&gt;<i> the team members getting CC'ed on bugzilla etc which would make it quite
+</I>&gt;<i> a lot of admin work for said gatekeeper on top of the actual bug fixes
+</I>&gt;<i> which again I think is too much.
+</I>
+If the problem is just to have people added in CC automatically, without
+being the maintainer, then we could use something else than maintdb for
+this. We could probably have a file somewhere in svn where people list
+the packages they are interested, and ask bugzilla to use this file to
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+
+&gt;<i> What is the usable feature ?
+</I>&gt;<i> To be able to put some kind of quota on /usr ?
+</I>&gt;<i> To be able to use a different fs for / and /usr ?
+</I>
+I once ran into the situation where installing a package
+succeeded, but caused the / filesystem usage to hit 100%.
+The next reboot failed, due to this.
+
+That was when I split everything I could off of the root
+filesystem, including /home, /opt, /tmp, /usr, and /var.
+I put all of those on lvm logical volumes (with the root
+filesystem still on a regular partition), and then split
+/var/log onto a regular partition so I could access it
+easily from a knoppix live dvd.
+
+I briefly had /boot on a separate regular partition, but
+found memtest86+ could not run with that setup, so I kept
+/boot in the / filesystem.
+
+I've since taken advantage of using lvm stripes to speed
+up access, which works quite well.
+
+In my current full install, I have 1.5GB allocated to the
+regular partition used for the root filesystem, with
+1022M used. The /usr filesystem has 15GB used.
+
+Merging /usr into / would require a large amount of work,
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+&gt;<i> Can I just mention bug 2317 and run away!
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I certainly don't expect a package maintained by a team to be marked as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nobody (well, certainly not longer term). But again, I think even
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> allocating a gatekeeper or a team leader puts too many social pressures
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on that person, and imposes something of a hierarchy that really doesn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> seem appropriate. Also things don't happen automatically - such as all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the team members getting CC'ed on bugzilla etc which would make it quite
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a lot of admin work for said gatekeeper on top of the actual bug fixes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which again I think is too much.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the problem is just to have people added in CC automatically, without
+</I>&gt;<i> being the maintainer, then we could use something else than maintdb for
+</I>&gt;<i> this. We could probably have a file somewhere in svn where people list
+</I>&gt;<i> the packages they are interested, and ask bugzilla to use this file to
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically add CCs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I like that idea, at least as a supplement to multiple maintainers ...
+there are a lot of packages where I could help solve problems, but
+wouldn't want to be a maintainer. I'm sure this applies to many others.
+That would be really useful for bug fixes, for example.
+
+But for big areas like gnome, kde, etc, it would be nice to have teams
+of people who focus on maintaining those packages.
+
+My 2 cents :-)
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 01 november 2011 00:32:38 schreef Michael Scherer:
+[... stuff ...]
+So this mean it's preferred, that for example:
+
+- I grab mysql and httpd
+- I do as i see fit
+- contributions to httpd (which happen), will have to ask me before doing it.
+- since i only wanted to help, i may do a bad job of maintaining it, ie: not
+enough fixes, don't respond to others who want to patch httpd, etc...
+- perhaps i only care about stable and don't do anything on cauldron
+- i could change apache layout for cauldron to debian-style, which i think is
+better.
+
+etc...
+
+Personally, i think it's better that it gets done properly. having such a big
+responsibility is a pretty big point...
+
+but otoh, i don't have a better idea...
+
+Regards,
+
+AL13N
+
+PS: as a side note, devs of /soft stuff should also be their packagers and
+maintainers; it seems so weird that eg: mgaonline doesn't have a maintainer?
+when it's arguably the most visible package of mageia itself?
+(as an example, i wrote urpmi-proxy and plasma-applet-launchbutton and i am
+listed as maintainer for it as well)
+
+PPS: or perhaps a dev team should be formed and that team leader could be
+listed as maintainer of all dev packages that are now in nobody. and the
+people working on packages in /soft could be in the dev team...
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+<PRE>On Tue, 01 Nov 2011, andre999 wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like that idea, at least as a supplement to multiple maintainers ...
+</I>&gt;<i> there are a lot of packages where I could help solve problems, but wouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> want to be a maintainer. I'm sure this applies to many others.
+</I>
+You can already help solve problems on any package without being the
+maintainer.
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+<PRE>On Tue, 01 Nov 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 01 november 2011 00:32:38 schreef Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> [... stuff ...]
+</I>&gt;<i> So this mean it's preferred, that for example:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - I grab mysql and httpd
+</I>&gt;<i> - I do as i see fit
+</I>&gt;<i> - contributions to httpd (which happen), will have to ask me before doing it.
+</I>&gt;<i> - since i only wanted to help, i may do a bad job of maintaining it, ie: not
+</I>&gt;<i> enough fixes, don't respond to others who want to patch httpd, etc...
+</I>&gt;<i> - perhaps i only care about stable and don't do anything on cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> - i could change apache layout for cauldron to debian-style, which i think is
+</I>&gt;<i> better.
+</I>
+Being maintainer of a package does not mean you're allowed to do anything
+without discussing.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> etc...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally, i think it's better that it gets done properly. having such a big
+</I>&gt;<i> responsibility is a pretty big point...
+</I>
+If you don't plan to do it properly, then don't be maintainer.
+
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 01 Nov 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I like that idea, at least as a supplement to multiple maintainers ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there are a lot of packages where I could help solve problems, but wouldn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> want to be a maintainer. I'm sure this applies to many others.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can already help solve problems on any package without being the
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+True ... but my idea (not very well defined at the moment) ... was that
+maybe we could have a list of those interested in gnome, for example,
+and any time a gnome package is reported in bugzilla, they would be
+automatically added to the cc list of the bug. If someone receives an
+automatic cc, and they're not interested, they just remove themselves
+from the cc -- but at least they are aware of the bug.
+There could be better ways, just an idea.
+It would be better than being on the bugzilla mailing list, as few
+packagers would want to see every type of bug.
+But maybe that could be better handled by saved public bugzilla search
+lists ?
+Or maybe periodically sending out selective bugzilla search lists ?
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Am 01.11.2011 11:45, schrieb andre999:
+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 01 Nov 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I like that idea, at least as a supplement to multiple maintainers ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> there are a lot of packages where I could help solve problems, but wouldn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> want to be a maintainer. I'm sure this applies to many others.
+</I>Actually i don't get that reasoning. You want to care for some packages.
+This is the same as being their maintainer. And i think it's pretty difficult
+to do worse than having no maintainer at all.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> You can already help solve problems on any package without being the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintainer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> True ... but my idea (not very well defined at the moment) ... was that maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> we could have a list of those interested in gnome, for example, and any time
+</I>&gt;<i> a gnome package is reported in bugzilla, they would be automatically added to
+</I>&gt;<i> the cc list of the bug. If someone receives an automatic cc, and they're not
+</I>&gt;<i> interested, they just remove themselves from the cc -- but at least they are
+</I>&gt;<i> aware of the bug.
+</I>&gt;<i> There could be better ways, just an idea.
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be better than being on the bugzilla mailing list, as few packagers
+</I>&gt;<i> would want to see every type of bug.
+</I>&gt;<i> But maybe that could be better handled by saved public bugzilla search lists ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Or maybe periodically sending out selective bugzilla search lists ?
+</I>You know you can have saved searches as you wish?
+F.ex. i'm using one showing me Junior Jobs but leaving out new package requests
+from the results
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&amp;namedcmd=Junior_job_no_new_packages">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&amp;namedcmd=Junior_job_no_new_packages</A>
+ne for Stale bugs which saw no action in the last 90 days
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&amp;remaction=run&amp;namedcmd=Stale%20bugs%20%2890%20days%29&amp;sharer_id=35">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&amp;remaction=run&amp;namedcmd=Stale%20bugs%20%2890%20days%29&amp;sharer_id=35</A>
+And one which shows me Bug reports with patches:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&amp;remaction=run&amp;namedcmd=patches&amp;sharer_id=81">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&amp;remaction=run&amp;namedcmd=patches&amp;sharer_id=81</A>
+
+All of those are available from
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches">https://bugs.mageia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches</A> ;)
+
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+<PRE>Am 31.10.2011 13:16, schrieb Manuel Hiebel:
+&gt;<i> 2841;&quot;gutenprint&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 1481, 2184, 1454, 2404, 2738;&quot;system-config-printer
+</I>&gt;<i> 2834;&quot;task-printing-scanning&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'll try to take a look into those. If someone knows python and would
+be available for help with s-c-p that would be quite helpful.
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+<PRE>Am 16.10.2011 16:15, schrieb Florian Hubold:
+&gt;<i> Hello guys,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> as i'm writing this, hplip-3.11.10 should be available for cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> I've removed some of the Fedora patches after checking back with Tim Waugh
+</I>&gt;<i> and Ji&#345;&#237; Popelka, both Fedora hplip maintainers. The patches were used for:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticPrintDriverInstallation">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticPrintDriverInstallation</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> and i've removed them to be nearer to original upstream behavior.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> hplip-3.11.10 adds support for these printers:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - HP DeskJet 3070 B611 series
+</I>&gt;<i> - HP Envy 110 e-All-in-One
+</I>&gt;<i> - HP LaserJet Enterprise 500 Color M551
+</I>&gt;<i> - HP OfficeJet Pro 8100
+</I>&gt;<i> - HP Officejet Pro 8600
+</I>&gt;<i> - HP PhotoSmart 5510 e-All-in-One
+</I>&gt;<i> - HP PhotoSmart 6510 e-All-in-one
+</I>&gt;<i> - HP PhotoSmart 7510 e-All-in-One
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Additionally, ADF scan issues on Officejet 6500 models were fixed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Full changelog is available upstream:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/release_notes.html">http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/release_notes.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please test if there are no regressions with this change and report
+</I>&gt;<i> back here!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ping?
+Nobody with a cauldron install interested in proper HP support?
+Otherwise i'll assume everything works properly and there are
+no problems with this.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; So why merge / and /usr and kill a usable feature?
+</I>
+&gt;<i> What is the usable feature ?
+</I>
+I can ask you the same thing: What is the usable feature of merging the two? What benefit do I get as a result?
+
+One reson to have a separate /usr is terminal servers which mounts /usr and what not from a sentral server. (e.g. LTSP, Debian-Edu, Skolelinux)
+If something in /usr is resulting in the need for manual fsck, you have a healthy root file system to work from.
+If something goes wrong with the root file system, you have a lot less chance of fixing something without having to result to a boot CD/usb-stick.
+
+I've been using GNU/Linux for some 10 years now. One of the first things I learned was the value of having /usr on a separate partition.
+Even on desktop systems I have /, /home, /usr, /var, and /tmp.
+And there are many users who do this.
+I don't know anyone who doesn't have /usr on a separate partition.
+All of my friends who use GNU/Linux does this. Every single one.
+
+Having something which forces the merging of / and /usr into a big / will Break many systems on an upgrade.
+
+And, why should the system even have to care about if I have /usr on a separate partition?
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i> Ping?
+</I>&gt;<i> Nobody with a cauldron install interested in proper HP support?
+</I>&gt;<i> Otherwise i'll assume everything works properly and there are
+</I>&gt;<i> no problems with this.
+</I>
+No problem encountered here.
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+<PRE>Le mardi 01 novembre 2011 &#224; 12:54 +0100, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Monday 31 October 2011 18:17, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So why merge / and /usr and kill a usable feature?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What is the usable feature ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can ask you the same thing: What is the usable feature of merging the two? What benefit do I get as a result?
+</I>
+I suggest to re-read the other mails of the thread, especially the one
+where I give this url :
+
+<A HREF="http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html">http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html</A>
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+( PS: please try to not insult others with saying thing like &quot;most
+stupid thing ever performed&quot; ).
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+<PRE>Le mardi 01 novembre 2011 &#224; 01:56 -0400, David W. Hodgins a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:17:15 -0400, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What is the usable feature ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To be able to put some kind of quota on /usr ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To be able to use a different fs for / and /usr ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I once ran into the situation where installing a package
+</I>&gt;<i> succeeded, but caused the / filesystem usage to hit 100%.
+</I>&gt;<i> The next reboot failed, due to this.
+</I>
+The problem was likely due to not having anywhere to place pid file and
+others state related information. The /run mounted on tmpfs is a
+solution for that, AFAIK, and so most system should no longer face this
+problem. Maybe there is others reason to not start, but based on my
+experience, there is no obvious one.
+
+Even if I think that storing pid may no longer be needed for house
+keeping, thanks to systemd usage of cgroups.
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+&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: kdenlive &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 0.8.2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> - new version 0.8.2
+</I>Juancho maybe we should push it also on updates because according to
+<A HREF="http://kdenlive.org/discover/0.8.2">http://kdenlive.org/discover/0.8.2</A> there's a *lot* of crash fix &amp;
+others corruption problem .
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+&gt;<i> I suggest to re-read the other mails of the thread, especially the one
+</I>&gt;<i> where I give this url :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html">http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html</A>
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+I have read the entire thread on the Fedora list, every message, including that specific message, and I have done the same for this thread here and my question is not answered.
+
+So I'll ask again: what substantial benefit do I get by having / and usr on the same filesystem / partition?
+I can agree to some extend on moving /*bin and co. to /usr, But what is the benefit on requireing /usr NOT to be a separate filesystem?
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+Judging by this thread and the Fedora thread I am not alone on having seriosus doubts on this issiue.
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+&gt;<i> ( PS: please try to not insult others with saying thing like &quot;most
+</I>&gt;<i> stupid thing ever performed&quot; ).
+</I>
+I'm sorry if someone feel trampled upon, but when I see something which I really do think is stupid and idiotic, I reserve the right to say so. If someone can't handle that, tough luck!
+
+Note: I am not, nor have I called anyone stupid or an idiot. I am calling this filesystem requirement change stupid and idiotic. There's a difference. :-)=
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 01 November 2011 13:24, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I suggest to re-read the other mails of the thread, especially the one
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; where I give this url :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html">http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I have read the entire thread on the Fedora list, every message, including that specific message, and I have done the same for this thread here and my question is not answered.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I'll ask again: what substantial benefit do I get by having / and usr on the same filesystem / partition?
+</I>&gt;<i> I can agree to some extend on moving /*bin and co. to /usr, But what is the benefit on requireing /usr NOT to be a separate filesystem?
+</I>
+From what I understood, it's ok to have / and /usr on a separate filesystem,
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html">http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html</A>
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+I have one nitpick with point A on that list. :-)=
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+The developer does not have to consider wether or not to put something in bin and not sbin. In my experience it's the other way around. We have to figure out if the tool is to be used with root priviliges to work properly, and have it installed in sbin instead of bin.
+Most software does not require root priviliges to run properly, unlike old versions of Windows, and hence belong in bin, not sbin.
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+&gt;<i> I'm sorry if someone feel trampled upon, but when I see something
+</I>&gt;<i> which I really do think is stupid and idiotic, I reserve the right to
+</I>&gt;<i> say so. If someone can't handle that, tough luck!
+</I>
+I prefer a constructive way of discussing things.
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+It does not matter if it &quot;stupid and idiotic&quot; is meant as a reaction to
+a proposal a person or something else. If someone makes a proposal, I'd
+expect a bit of polite behaviour. E.g. explain why you think it is bad.
+Just a &quot;stupid and idiotic&quot;, well.. nothing of substance, so if I had a
+proposal I'd just ignore such replies.
+
+Lastly, it seems that you think saying &quot;stupid and idiotic&quot; is
+acceptable and it the problem of others if they're not ok with that. If
+that is true, I politely suggest either rethinking that position.
+Meaning: do what you want, but it goes both ways. I won't help people
+who aren't polite. I like a good argument every now and then, but there
+you cannot have it without content.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 01/11/11 17:25 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 01 November 2011 13:24, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I suggest to re-read the other mails of the thread, especially the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one where I give this url :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html">http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have read the entire thread on the Fedora list, every message,
+</I>&gt;<i> including that specific message, and I have done the same for this
+</I>&gt;<i> thread here and my question is not answered.
+</I>
+I'm afraid it's quite apparent that you've not read them well enough as
+the questions you are asking clearly point to a misunderstanding about
+the issue.
+
+I've laboured this specific point you've missed in four of my messages
+on list this and even quoted certain sections of the systemd wiki that
+clearly outline it too. Thomas also initially misunderstood and then
+realised the situation is really not that bad. I suggest you read
+Thomas' latest messages on this thread and hopefully you'll see the
+point I seem to have immense trouble getting across to people.
+
+&gt;<i> So I'll ask again: what substantial benefit do I get by having / and
+</I>&gt;<i> usr on the same filesystem / partition? I can agree to some extend on
+</I>&gt;<i> moving /*bin and co. to /usr, But what is the benefit on requireing
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr NOT to be a separate filesystem?
+</I>
+OK, so this is a reasonable question to ask, BUT, the fact that you are
+asking this question suggest that you believe that having a separate
+partition for /usr will somehow be banned or impossible in the future.
+As Nicolas pointed out in his reply, this is NOT the case!
+
+You can have /usr on a separate partition if you like, it's just that it
+will NOT be the job of init (i.e. pid 1) to mount it for you. When init
+starts it must already be mounted. This means mounting has to happen
+inside the initramfs.
+
+&gt;<i> Judging by this thread and the Fedora thread I am not alone on having
+</I>&gt;<i> seriosus doubts on this issiue.
+</I>
+There is a huge amount of misunderstanding on the issue. It takes
+several emails to try and patiently explain to people that the violent
+reaction they had is based on a misunderstanding of the problem and of
+the solution. This is clearly shown in your replies here. Again: there
+is no statement that says /usr cannot be on a separate partition.
+
+Of course for simpler systems (most desktops and laptops) there is also
+no specific gain or need to have it separate (I've very deliberately NOT
+kept it separate on any laptop/desktop installed in the last 5 years
+there just is not any practical advantage). So many people will indeed
+be advocating that user don't do it if they do not have any specific,
+special need to do so.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> ( PS: please try to not insult others with saying thing like &quot;most
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stupid thing ever performed&quot; ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm sorry if someone feel trampled upon, but when I see something
+</I>&gt;<i> which I really do think is stupid and idiotic, I reserve the right to
+</I>&gt;<i> say so. If someone can't handle that, tough luck!
+</I>
+This is really not about &quot;handling it&quot; or otherwise. It's about the
+atmosphere of of the discussion on the topic. The choice of wording or
+the &quot;tone&quot; used in conversation can convey a distinct feeling of
+disrespect or derision towards colleagues who take the time to document
+the issues clearly and try and drive things forward. This is compounded
+when people do not actually grasp the fundamentals of the problem or
+appreciate the solutions fully. Then a cycle starts because when people
+are told they are wrong (because they've clearly misunderstood, not
+because their concern is invalid), they get MORE defensive and thus the
+tone gets even worse and things spiral into flames and trolls. So please
+do re-read the latest mails on the topic in this thread and try to
+appreciate that you will ultimately still be allowed to have /usr on a
+separate partition if you like.
+
+&gt;<i> Note: I am not, nor have I called anyone stupid or an idiot. I am
+</I>&gt;<i> calling this filesystem requirement change stupid and idiotic.
+</I>&gt;<i> There's a difference. :-)=
+</I>
+And again, there is not a &quot;filesystem requirement change&quot;, there is just
+a &quot;responsibility for who mounts that filesystem change&quot;.
+
+Col
+
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+&gt;<i> Lastly, it seems that you think saying &quot;stupid and idiotic&quot; is acceptable
+</I>
+In some circumstances, yes I do.
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+However calling someone an idiot, stupid or the like, is Not acceptable. I do not do that. Nor did I do that in this thread. If you think I did, please explain to me how I did that, as I fail to see that I did.
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+&gt;<i> and it the problem of others if they're not ok with that.
+</I>
+That goes indeed both ways.
+If someone call me or something I do or propose idiotic and stupid, it is My problem, and mine alone, if I can't handle that. I have allways believed that for as long as I can remember. My reactions are my responsibility.
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+&gt;<i> If someone call me or something I do or propose idiotic and stupid, it
+</I>&gt;<i> is My problem, and mine alone, if I can't handle that. I have allways
+</I>&gt;<i> believed that for as long as I can remember. My reactions are my
+</I>&gt;<i> responsibility.
+</I>
+Just saying that it is not always good to say whatever you want if you
+still want to be heard. On this list, seems people are not bothered by
+it. But why not still behave nicely?
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+<PRE>Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 01 November 2011 13:24, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I suggest to re-read the other mails of the thread, especially the one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> where I give this url :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html">http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have read the entire thread on the Fedora list, every message, including that specific message, and I have done the same for this thread here and my question is not answered.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I'll ask again: what substantial benefit do I get by having / and usr on the same filesystem / partition?
+</I>&gt;<i> I can agree to some extend on moving /*bin and co. to /usr, But what is the benefit on requireing /usr NOT to be a separate filesystem?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Judging by this thread and the Fedora thread I am not alone on having seriosus doubts on this issiue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ( PS: please try to not insult others with saying thing like &quot;most
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stupid thing ever performed&quot; ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm sorry if someone feel trampled upon, but when I see something which I really do think is stupid and idiotic, I reserve the right to say so. If someone can't handle that, tough luck!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note: I am not, nor have I called anyone stupid or an idiot. I am calling this filesystem requirement change stupid and idiotic. There's a difference. :-)=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+No offense intended, but you don't see a slight advantage of not having
+to mount a separate partition, and of sharing the space available on the
+otherwise 2 separate partitions, particularly if the disk space is
+somewhat limited ?
+
+Since you have read the reference, you didn't notice that the option of
+separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?
+ From what I understand, having separate partitions wouldn't be
+essentially (if at all) any more complicated than it is already.
+
+Historically, I would imagine that having separate /usr (and other)
+partitions was probably more driven by limitations of disk space and
+performance problems than anything else. (/home being an exception.)
+
+However if one has / and /usr on the same partition, combining /bin,
+/sbin, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin would certainly be a lot simpler than it
+is now.
+
+I never could understand why the complication of separate /bin and
+/sbin, and never appreciated the gymnastics of different commands with
+the same name to handle root/non-root permissions for certain commands.
+
+To me, avoiding unnecessary complication by design is a big plus.
+
+Regards :-)
+
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+<PRE>On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Thierry Vignaud
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 27 October 2011 17:11, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> takashi &lt;takashi&gt; 0.714.0-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 158214
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update to 0.714
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2.noarch (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[&gt;= 0.712.0])
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+still broken.
+
+The main issue is that i don't see perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[&gt;=
+0.712.0]) see : <A HREF="http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/">http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/</A>
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 02 November 2011 01:05, andre999 wrote:
+&gt;<i> No offense intended
+</I>
+None detected. ;-)=
+
+&gt;<i> but you don't see a slight advantage of not having
+</I>&gt;<i> to mount a separate partition, and of sharing the space available on the
+</I>&gt;<i> otherwise 2 separate partitions, particularly if the disk space is
+</I>&gt;<i> somewhat limited ?
+</I>
+If the diskspace is limited, there often is no available space to host a separate /usr.
+The old drive in my gateway was a 4G drive. There was One partition. ;-)=
+I do see the need to have all in one partition in many cases.
+
+But there is a diffenrece in having a need and require it. :-)=
+
+&gt;<i> Since you have read the reference, you didn't notice that the option of
+</I>&gt;<i> separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?
+</I>
+Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to be mounted in order for the system to boot normally. Then have systemd mount it.
+I do see that there might be some problems involved in solving it.
+
+&gt;<i> However if one has / and /usr on the same partition, combining /bin,
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin would certainly be a lot simpler than it
+</I>&gt;<i> is now.
+</I>
+Yes. I see that, and I see that it can be agood idea to merge /*bin with /usr/*bin
+
+&gt;<i> I never could understand why the complication of separate /bin and /sbin,
+</I>
+I still feel that the daemon's executeable's belongs in sbin rather than bin.
+
+&gt;<i> and never appreciated the gymnastics of different commands with
+</I>&gt;<i> the same name to handle root/non-root permissions for certain commands.
+</I>
+I haven't noticed that. do you have an example?
+
+&gt;<i> To me, avoiding unnecessary complication by design is a big plus.
+</I>
+Agreed. But don't throw the baby out with the water. ;-)=
+
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+<PRE>Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 02 November 2011 01:05, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;<i> Since you have read the reference, you didn't notice that the option of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to be mounted in order for the system to boot normally. Then have systemd mount it.
+</I>&gt;<i> I do see that there might be some problems involved in solving it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think it is better to mount any separate /usr as early in the boot
+process as possible.
+
+[...]
+&gt;&gt;<i> and never appreciated the gymnastics of different commands with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the same name to handle root/non-root permissions for certain commands.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I haven't noticed that. do you have an example?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+See the attached file of duplications of names on my computer.
+There are 76 duplications in the 4 directories.
+Those ending in @ are symbolic links. Such duplications will disappear
+with the merging.
+The others are mostly (if not all) scripts which link to a routine which
+asks for the root password for certain commands, according to enabled
+permissions. If the permissions are enabled and the password correctly
+entered, the user is rerouted to the initial command. A less obscure
+way of dealing with it would be better.
+(I forget the details, but someone like tv or misc would know.)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> To me, avoiding unnecessary complication by design is a big plus.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed. But don't throw the baby out with the water. ;-)=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If just changing initramfs to load any separate /usr partition will fix
+it, I don't see that we are losing anything.
+Although if someone like tmb can initially misunderstand the impact, I
+guess anyone can. (It took me a while.)
+
+Maybe it will be more trouble to make such an initramfs, but once it is
+made, it should work nicely. Without a special reason to have a
+separate /usr, I would say that it is better to avoid it.
+I see that ensuring that everything necessary to fully boot being
+guaranteed to be available very early in the boot process is a big plus.
+If /home isn't available, one can always login to root. As well,
+keeping /home on a separate partition has advantages for ensuring the
+persistance of personal data and configuration in the event of
+reformatting /.
+
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+<PRE>Hi everyone,
+
+We have a new packager, takashi, who has successfully mentored with jquelin.
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+We now have 2 apprentice candidates with .rpm packaging experience, waiting for
+a mentor.
+
+mcb30 (Michael Brown), who I introduced last week,
+is a longtime Mandrake/Mandriva and now Mageia user who has maintained several
+private RPM repos, and while waiting for a mentor has been making spec files
+for some python applications.
+
+We also have
+neocrust (Alexander Scherbakov),
+who has experience maintaining packages for openSuse and Lunar Linux, as well
+as translating to Russion, and doing documentation with the Gentoo Russion team.
+
+You can find more details at:
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+
+Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I'll update the tables for you.
+
+Thanks :-)
+
+----
+
+We now have 49 active packagers (maintaining at least one package), with
+several who have yet to take a package.
+We currently have about 40 apprentices.
+Over 75% of packages have a maintainer.
+
+----
+
+Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an
+apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+
+
+See also the section just above, on becoming a Mageia packager :
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager</A>
+
+To find a mentor, you can also post to this list, or on IRC at freenode
+#mageia-mentoring.
+
+Regards :-)
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Hi there,
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+I'd like to get all corrections made by i18n teams since the Mga1 release into
+the distribution. Imho that is important because not all teams managed to
+finish their translation work for the Mga1 freeze, and we were told at that
+time, that we would be able to get our work into Mga1 via an update later on
+and thus I told the teams to set a priority on the translation of the
+installer po files, which couldn't be updated later.
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+As I mentioned in <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1784">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1784</A> I would propose
+a &quot;i18n bug hunting day&quot;. We could do a blog post calling people to actively
+look for translation errors and file bug reports about them. I18n teams could
+then fix as many of those as possible and commit the corrections to the &quot;1&quot;
+branch of the drak tools svn (and also to cauldron if they are still present
+there).
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+What do you think?
+Let's say &quot;i18n bug hunting day&quot; somewhen in the middle of next week and an
+update of the drak tools for Mga1 arround december 1st?
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+Just to let you know that KDE SC 4.7.3 should land probably today on cauldron.
+Everything is already on the svn :)
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
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+</I>&gt;<i> Just to let you know that KDE SC 4.7.3 should land probably today on cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> Everything is already on the svn :)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i> Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
+</I>Congratulations!
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 02/11/11 02:49 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Since you have read the reference, you didn't notice that the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> option of separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to
+</I>&gt;<i> be mounted in order for the system to boot normally. Then have
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd mount it.
+</I>&gt;<i> I do see that there might be some problems involved in solving it.
+</I>
+That's catch-22 problem. systemd uses various bits to detect this disk
+subsystems, including encryption, lvm, raid, etc. etc. layers. That
+means for systemd to deal gracefully with /usr being on a separate mount
+mount, it must ensure that all of those tools (and of course systemd
+itself) and are located outside of /usr and this is the whole point that
+is being made. For various setups etc. you need to move a whole bunch of
+stuff to / to cope with this. Rather than doing that, the suggest is
+instead to move that stuff to the initramfs.
+
+This has several advantages. It means that the vast bulk of the
+applications installed can live inside a single tree - /usr. This means
+that the /usr tree can be MUCH more useful than currently - it can be
+exported over NFS/SAN/whatever and shared on multiple machines, mounted
+read only. Much less hassle to administer one install than 5000. It also
+aids snapshotting (at the filesystem level). which also makes backups
+more robust etc. etc. The benefits just flow from here.
+
+So the argument is that it will not be systemd's job to do it because
+systemd very much *wants* to live inside /usr.
+
+So the job of mounting /usr is in the initramfs. After that, systemd
+does everything. It's a nice and clean separation.
+
+
+But this list really isn't the place for this discussion. We are not
+upstream systemd. If you want to discuss it further, please take it to
+the systemd list, and let's end this thread which has gone massively off
+topic.
+
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ <B>Marco Benatto</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
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+I want to join the team, actually I already made contact by IRC channel.
+But I'm still looking for a mentor.
+I've never had experience as a packager just had in a little free software
+projects.
+My mageia identity is: mbenattoa. If somebody wants help me on mentoring
+process I'll be very glad!
+
+Thanks.
+
+On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:00 AM, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-request at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2 (D.Morgan)
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Re: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</I>&gt;<i> (Johnny A. Solbu)
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Re: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing (andre999)
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. mentors + apprentices (andre999)
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. i18n corrections in drak tools (Oliver Burger)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 1
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 01:40:07 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> From: &quot;D.Morgan&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;CAL+dqvDutg406MXZVTzaAsyYeO2JXQpbprQHjrpx9CXp=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">vbRmw at mail.gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Thierry Vignaud
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 27 October 2011 17:11, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; takashi &lt;takashi&gt; 0.714.0-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; + Revision: 158214
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - update to 0.714
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2.noarch (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[&gt;= 0.712.0])
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> still broken.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The main issue is that i don't see perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[&gt;=
+</I>&gt;<i> 0.712.0]) see : <A HREF="http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/">http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 2
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 03:49:02 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> From: &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in
+</I>&gt;<i> updates_testing
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">201111020349.05223.cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Wednesday 02 November 2011 01:05, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No offense intended
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> None detected. ;-)=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but you don't see a slight advantage of not having
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to mount a separate partition, and of sharing the space available on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; otherwise 2 separate partitions, particularly if the disk space is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; somewhat limited ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the diskspace is limited, there often is no available space to host a
+</I>&gt;<i> separate /usr.
+</I>&gt;<i> The old drive in my gateway was a 4G drive. There was One partition. ;-)=
+</I>&gt;<i> I do see the need to have all in one partition in many cases.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But there is a diffenrece in having a need and require it. :-)=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Since you have read the reference, you didn't notice that the option of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to be
+</I>&gt;<i> mounted in order for the system to boot normally. Then have systemd mount
+</I>&gt;<i> it.
+</I>&gt;<i> I do see that there might be some problems involved in solving it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; However if one has / and /usr on the same partition, combining /bin,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /sbin, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin would certainly be a lot simpler than it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes. I see that, and I see that it can be agood idea to merge /*bin with
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/*bin
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I never could understand why the complication of separate /bin and /sbin,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I still feel that the daemon's executeable's belongs in sbin rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> bin.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and never appreciated the gymnastics of different commands with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the same name to handle root/non-root permissions for certain commands.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I haven't noticed that. do you have an example?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To me, avoiding unnecessary complication by design is a big plus.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed. But don't throw the baby out with the water. ;-)=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Johnny A. Solbu
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+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 3
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 02:47:21 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> From: andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in
+</I>&gt;<i> updates_testing
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">4EB0E779.5020101 at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;; Format=&quot;flowed&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Johnny A. Solbu a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wednesday 02 November 2011 01:05, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Since you have read the reference, you didn't notice that the option of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to be
+</I>&gt;<i> mounted in order for the system to boot normally. Then have systemd mount
+</I>&gt;<i> it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I do see that there might be some problems involved in solving it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it is better to mount any separate /usr as early in the boot
+</I>&gt;<i> process as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and never appreciated the gymnastics of different commands with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the same name to handle root/non-root permissions for certain commands.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I haven't noticed that. do you have an example?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See the attached file of duplications of names on my computer.
+</I>&gt;<i> There are 76 duplications in the 4 directories.
+</I>&gt;<i> Those ending in @ are symbolic links. Such duplications will disappear
+</I>&gt;<i> with the merging.
+</I>&gt;<i> The others are mostly (if not all) scripts which link to a routine which
+</I>&gt;<i> asks for the root password for certain commands, according to enabled
+</I>&gt;<i> permissions. If the permissions are enabled and the password correctly
+</I>&gt;<i> entered, the user is rerouted to the initial command. A less obscure
+</I>&gt;<i> way of dealing with it would be better.
+</I>&gt;<i> (I forget the details, but someone like tv or misc would know.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; To me, avoiding unnecessary complication by design is a big plus.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Agreed. But don't throw the baby out with the water. ;-)=
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If just changing initramfs to load any separate /usr partition will fix
+</I>&gt;<i> it, I don't see that we are losing anything.
+</I>&gt;<i> Although if someone like tmb can initially misunderstand the impact, I
+</I>&gt;<i> guess anyone can. (It took me a while.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe it will be more trouble to make such an initramfs, but once it is
+</I>&gt;<i> made, it should work nicely. Without a special reason to have a
+</I>&gt;<i> separate /usr, I would say that it is better to avoid it.
+</I>&gt;<i> I see that ensuring that everything necessary to fully boot being
+</I>&gt;<i> guaranteed to be available very early in the boot process is a big plus.
+</I>&gt;<i> If /home isn't available, one can always login to root. As well,
+</I>&gt;<i> keeping /home on a separate partition has advantages for ensuring the
+</I>&gt;<i> persistance of personal data and configuration in the event of
+</I>&gt;<i> reformatting /.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr?
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+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 4
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 03:54:38 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> From: andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: [Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">4EB0F73E.9060108 at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have a new packager, takashi, who has successfully mentored with
+</I>&gt;<i> jquelin.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We now have 2 apprentice candidates with .rpm packaging experience,
+</I>&gt;<i> waiting for
+</I>&gt;<i> a mentor.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mcb30 (Michael Brown), who I introduced last week,
+</I>&gt;<i> is a longtime Mandrake/Mandriva and now Mageia user who has maintained
+</I>&gt;<i> several
+</I>&gt;<i> private RPM repos, and while waiting for a mentor has been making spec
+</I>&gt;<i> files
+</I>&gt;<i> for some python applications.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We also have
+</I>&gt;<i> neocrust (Alexander Scherbakov),
+</I>&gt;<i> who has experience maintaining packages for openSuse and Lunar Linux, as
+</I>&gt;<i> well
+</I>&gt;<i> as translating to Russion, and doing documentation with the Gentoo Russion
+</I>&gt;<i> team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can find more details at:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I'll update the tables for you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We now have 49 active packagers (maintaining at least one package), with
+</I>&gt;<i> several who have yet to take a package.
+</I>&gt;<i> We currently have about 40 apprentices.
+</I>&gt;<i> Over 75% of packages have a maintainer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an
+</I>&gt;<i> apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See also the section just above, on becoming a Mageia packager :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To find a mentor, you can also post to this list, or on IRC at freenode
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-mentoring.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr?
+</I>&gt;<i> (Packager mentoring program coordinator)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 5
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:45:10 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: [Mageia-dev] i18n corrections in drak tools
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">201111020945.10325.oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=&quot;us-ascii&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to get all corrections made by i18n teams since the Mga1 release
+</I>&gt;<i> into
+</I>&gt;<i> the distribution. Imho that is important because not all teams managed to
+</I>&gt;<i> finish their translation work for the Mga1 freeze, and we were told at that
+</I>&gt;<i> time, that we would be able to get our work into Mga1 via an update later
+</I>&gt;<i> on
+</I>&gt;<i> and thus I told the teams to set a priority on the translation of the
+</I>&gt;<i> installer po files, which couldn't be updated later.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I mentioned in <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1784">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1784</A> I would
+</I>&gt;<i> propose
+</I>&gt;<i> a &quot;i18n bug hunting day&quot;. We could do a blog post calling people to
+</I>&gt;<i> actively
+</I>&gt;<i> look for translation errors and file bug reports about them. I18n teams
+</I>&gt;<i> could
+</I>&gt;<i> then fix as many of those as possible and commit the corrections to the &quot;1&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> branch of the drak tools svn (and also to cauldron if they are still
+</I>&gt;<i> present
+</I>&gt;<i> there).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's say &quot;i18n bug hunting day&quot; somewhen in the middle of next week and an
+</I>&gt;<i> update of the drak tools for Mga1 arround december 1st?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> End of Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 15, Issue 5
+</I>&gt;<i> *****************************************
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+&gt;<i> Without a special reason to have a separate /usr,
+</I>&gt;<i> I would say that it is better to avoid it.
+</I>
+The one issiue left then is how to solve the fact that many users do have a separate /usr, when they upgrade the distro to a version with systemd.
+If systemd currently require /usr to be on the same filesystem as /, then the upgrade should be halted or interrupted with a warning to warn the user about the fact that currently he can't upgrade, and why. Or something to that effect, as there are many systems that have / of only a gigabyte, or so. For instance, all of my systems have this setup.
+Providing that systemd, or something systemd depends on, actually require that. :-)=
+
+One way to solve it is to do what Ubuntu (i believe) does, where the installation routine require the root filesystem to be at least 12 Gigabyte. It won't continue the installation untill / is at least 12 G.
+
+Perhaps one can create the abillity to have the installer merge the two partitions into one. I have no idea if that actually is possible without having to reformat the new big partition. Nor do I know if it's even a good idea. (Just sharing the idea, thinking out loud.)
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+<PRE>On Wed, 02 Nov 2011, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 02 November 2011 07:47, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Without a special reason to have a separate /usr,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I would say that it is better to avoid it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The one issiue left then is how to solve the fact that many users do have a separate /usr, when they upgrade the distro to a version with systemd.
+</I>&gt;<i> If systemd currently require /usr to be on the same filesystem as /, then the upgrade should be halted or interrupted with a warning to warn the user about the fact that currently he can't upgrade, and why. Or something to that effect, as there are many systems that have / of only a gigabyte, or so. For instance, all of my systems have this setup.
+</I>&gt;<i> Providing that systemd, or something systemd depends on, actually require that. :-)=
+</I>
+Just in case it was not clear enough from previous messages in this
+thread :
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+systemd will not require /usr to be on the same filesystem as /
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
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+<PRE>Hi Marco,
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+On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:50:37 -0200
+Marco Benatto &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marco.antonio.780 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> I want to join the team, actually I already made contact by IRC channel.
+</I>&gt;<i> But I'm still looking for a mentor.
+</I>&gt;<i> I've never had experience as a packager just had in a little free software
+</I>&gt;<i> projects.
+</I>&gt;<i> My mageia identity is: mbenattoa. If somebody wants help me on mentoring
+</I>&gt;<i> process I'll be very glad!
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Well, I have three other apprentices, but still plenty of free time, so I guess
+I can take you as another apprentice. I am &quot;rindolf&quot; on IRC (with &quot;shlomif&quot; as
+a backup nickname sometimes), but I'm not always there. If you're trying to
+reach me, you can usually find me on IM:
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+<A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/me/contact-me/">http://www.shlomifish.org/me/contact-me/</A>
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+Would that be OK for everybody?
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+ <B>D.Morgan</B>
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+ <I>Wed Nov 2 23:58:15 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>2011/10/16 Jos&#233; Jorge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 16 octobre 2011 01:01:29, Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> php-ffmpeg doesn't build anymore and their WEBsite dosn't show any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> development activity. There are bug reposts, but none has closed for at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> least 2 years I propose to drop this package. I don't think there are any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> deps that need it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree with this drop. Another php question :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am trying to build maniadrive in Mageia. To strip the embedded libs, it
+</I>&gt;<i> needs the file /usr/lib/libphp5.so . We currently do not build it in the php
+</I>&gt;<i> packages. Fedora does it and it ends in the rpm php-embedded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Do you agree to add it to our php SPEC?
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Do you want to do it, or can I just submit?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+so what to do ? we drop it ?
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+ <B>JA Magallon</B>
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+<PRE>Hi...
+
+On a Cauldron system up to date till today, Gnome apps seem to ignore
+the cameras in the system. I have tried with cheese and empathy on two
+boxes, one with an external USB camera and one with an internal one
+(it is USB anyways).
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+gstreamer-properties seems to recognise the camera and can test it
+with v4l2, also luvcview gets image on both cameras. But those gnome
+apps don't.
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+Any ideas ?
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+TIA
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
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+&gt;<i> so what to do ? we drop it ?
+</I>Yes, please drop php-ffmpeg.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magallon at 03/11/11 00:42 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On a Cauldron system up to date till today, Gnome apps seem to ignore
+</I>&gt;<i> the cameras in the system. I have tried with cheese and empathy on two
+</I>&gt;<i> boxes, one with an external USB camera and one with an internal one
+</I>&gt;<i> (it is USB anyways).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer-properties seems to recognise the camera and can test it
+</I>&gt;<i> with v4l2, also luvcview gets image on both cameras. But those gnome
+</I>&gt;<i> apps don't.
+</I>
+No clue but I noticed something similar the other day too....
+
+Col
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and nicolas vigier at 02/11/11 16:41 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Just in case it was not clear enough from previous messages in this
+</I>&gt;<i> thread :
+</I>
+ROFL!!!!
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+In all seriousness tho', we do need to ensure that dracut (most likely
+mkinitrd will be deprecated fully by mga3 when we go systemd only) can
+mount /usr for you. But this shouldn't be too hard to achieve (assuming
+it it doesn't do that already which it might very well do).
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On Sunday, October 16, 2011 01:49:25 am Jos&#233; Jorge wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 16 octobre 2011 01:01:29, Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; php-ffmpeg doesn't build anymore and their WEBsite dosn't show any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; development activity. There are bug reposts, but none has closed for at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; least 2 years I propose to drop this package. I don't think there are any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; deps that need it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree with this drop. Another php question :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am trying to build maniadrive in Mageia. To strip the embedded libs, it
+</I>&gt;<i> needs the file /usr/lib/libphp5.so . We currently do not build it in the
+</I>&gt;<i> php packages. Fedora does it and it ends in the rpm php-embedded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Do you agree to add it to our php SPEC?
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Do you want to do it, or can I just submit?
+</I>
+I'll look at it this weekend.
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+<PRE> Hi and congratulations to KDE4 mageia packaging team !
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+ I am wondering if kde 4.7.x will land someday into mageia1 backport ?
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+ Look, according to Mageia2 roadmap (see here
+<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/</A>
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+mageia2 will be released on 04/04/2012. In the meantime, kde 4.8SC will be
+available since January 2012 (see here
+<A HREF="http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule">http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule</A>). So we can
+expect that
+kde 4.8 SC will be available for mageia2, right ? In that case, why not
+backporting since now kde4.7.3 to mageia1 ? Kde 4.7 is already mature and
+well tested in cauldron so it will be a good point for mageia1 to propose
+it.
+
+ So what it's your opinion about that ?
+
+ JC
+
+2011/11/2 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just to let you know that KDE SC 4.7.3 should land probably today on
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> Everything is already on the svn :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i> Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+<PRE>2011/11/3 Dark Charlot &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jcldc13 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> &#160;Hi and congratulations to KDE4 mageia packaging team !
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;I am wondering if kde 4.7.x will land someday into mageia1 backport ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Look, according to Mageia2 roadmap (see
+</I>&gt;<i> here&#160;<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia2 will be released on 04/04/2012. In the meantime, kde 4.8SC will be
+</I>&gt;<i> available since&#160;January&#160;2012 (see here
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;<A HREF="http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule">http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule</A>). So we can
+</I>&gt;<i> expect that
+</I>&gt;<i> kde 4.8 SC will be available for mageia2, right ?
+</I>Yep that's the idea.
+&gt;<i> In that case, why not
+</I>&gt;<i> backporting since now kde4.7.3 to mageia1 ? Kde 4.7 is already mature and
+</I>&gt;<i> well tested in cauldron so it will be a good point for mageia1 to propose
+</I>&gt;<i> it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;So what it's your opinion about that ?
+</I>If we need to backport something then in all case it would be better
+to backport the 4.7.5 release just for avoid later the
+&#171; could you please backport 4.7.4 &amp; then 4.7.5 etc etc &#187;.
+
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+--
+Balcaen John
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+<PRE>2011/11/3 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> 2011/11/3 Dark Charlot &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jcldc13 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi and congratulations to KDE4 mageia packaging team !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am wondering if kde 4.7.x will land someday into mageia1 backport ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Look, according to Mageia2 roadmap (see
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; here
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mageia2 will be released on 04/04/2012. In the meantime, kde 4.8SC will
+</I>&gt;<i> be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; available since January 2012 (see here
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule">http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule</A>). So we can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; expect that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; kde 4.8 SC will be available for mageia2, right ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep that's the idea.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In that case, why not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backporting since now kde4.7.3 to mageia1 ? Kde 4.7 is already mature and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; well tested in cauldron so it will be a good point for mageia1 to propose
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So what it's your opinion about that ?
+</I>&gt;<i> If we need to backport something then in all case it would be better
+</I>&gt;<i> to backport the 4.7.5 release just for avoid later the
+</I>&gt;<i> &#171; could you please backport 4.7.4 &amp; then 4.7.5 etc etc &#187;.
+</I>
+
+ Well I am a profane in packaging and I do not know the amount of work to
+package a new kde 4.x.x release, but you seem to be very efficient in this
+task. Maybe I am wrong but kde packaging looks like now something more or
+less
+straightforward, I mean automatic ? So why not backporting since now and
+for every kde 4.7.X release to mageia1, it will make a lot of people happy
+:<i>).
+</I>One more time, I am not probably aware about the amount of work it
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+ <B>John Balcaen</B>
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+<PRE>2011/11/3 Dark Charlot &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jcldc13 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+[...]
+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160;So what it's your opinion about that ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If we need to backport something then in all case it would be better
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to backport the 4.7.5 release just for avoid later the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#171; could you please backport 4.7.4 &amp; then 4.7.5 etc etc &#187;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Well I am a profane in packaging and I do not know the amount of work to
+</I>&gt;<i> package a new kde 4.x.x release, but you seem to be very efficient in this
+</I>&gt;<i> task. Maybe I am wrong but kde packaging looks like now something more or
+</I>&gt;<i> less
+</I>&gt;<i> straightforward, I mean automatic ?
+</I>It's no automatic at all :o) : i usually build for bold arch the whole
+KDE before
+even committing on the svn, so while it seems &#171; easy &#187; if you're just following
+pkgsubmit.mageia.org it's also mean that i test before that build is
+working *but*
+ also that upgrade is working as expected.
+Also when asking for backport you should check first our backport policy (this
+mean we need to have a QA on the whole stuff &amp; since our QA team is quite small
+and have better priority then testing the whole KDE for backport issue).
+I'm still wondering btw how we'll deal with the kdepim upgrade between
+kmail2 so...
+
+
+&gt;<i>So why not backporting since now and for
+</I>&gt;<i> every kde 4.7.X release to mageia1, it will make a lot of people happy :).
+</I>*I* won't backport it as said earlier currently, i don't prevent anyone to do it
+but since KDE is *quite* important i'm not sure it's wise to do it currently
+(cf above ).
+
+&gt;<i> One more time, I am not probably aware about the amount of work it
+</I>&gt;<i> implies.... Anyway thanks.
+</I>
+Well you can maybe try to do it by yourself following at least the build order
+of the src.rpm i put on the mageia wiki.
+
+
+
+--
+Balcaen John
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+&gt;<i> 2011/11/3 Dark Charlot&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jcldc13 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So why not backporting since now and for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> every kde 4.7.X release to mageia1, it will make a lot of people happy :).
+</I>&gt;<i> *I* won't backport it as said earlier currently, i don't prevent anyone to do it
+</I>&gt;<i> but since KDE is *quite* important i'm not sure it's wise to do it currently
+</I>&gt;<i> (cf above ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I dont think KDE 4.7 should be allowed to be put in official backport
+repos, as backports is supported too, and we dont have enough manpower
+to do proper QA for a big version upgrade.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> John Balcaen skrev 3.11.2011 14:40:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/3 Dark Charlot&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jcldc13 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So why not backporting since now and for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> every kde 4.7.X release to mageia1, it will make a lot of people
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> happy :).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> *I* won't backport it as said earlier currently, i don't prevent
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anyone to do it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but since KDE is *quite* important i'm not sure it's wise to do it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> currently
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (cf above ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I dont think KDE 4.7 should be allowed to be put in official backport
+</I>&gt;<i> repos, as backports is supported too, and we dont have enough manpower
+</I>&gt;<i> to do proper QA for a big version upgrade.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Anybody interested in helping out with QA, I'd be very pleased to
+provide more information :D
+
+Claire
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+&gt;<i> Like the title says, I'm wishing for a newbie mailinglist to ask
+</I>&gt;<i> newbie-questions like &quot;How do I become a root-user?&quot;. /Kristoffer
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+</I>You only have mageia-discuss for that. All questions on Mageia and how to
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+ <B>Wasp (Google Groupes)</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Invitation%20Google%20Groupes%20%3A%20Mageia%20GNU/Linux&In-Reply-To=%3C20111103152511.9D1E91CA981%40ryu.zarb.org%3E"
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+<PRE> A google group on Mageia!
+
+ &#192; propos de ce groupe :
+Here you can find all discuss about Mageia GNU/Linux use and/or developpement.
+English group moderated.
+
+ Accepter cette invitation :
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+ <A HREF="http://groups.google.com/group/mageia-gnulinux/sub?s=O0o3gxQAAADMkcE08-KeBCXMKvFCNjWtT45adePqBYimkDDrgfeYkg&amp;hl=fr">http://groups.google.com/group/mageia-gnulinux/sub?s=O0o3gxQAAADMkcE08-KeBCXMKvFCNjWtT45adePqBYimkDDrgfeYkg&amp;hl=fr</A>
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+ Visiter ce groupe :
+
+ <A HREF="http://groups.google.com/group/mageia-gnulinux?hl=fr">http://groups.google.com/group/mageia-gnulinux?hl=fr</A>
+
+ Vous pouvez r&#233;silier votre abonnement &#224; ce groupe &#224; l'aide de l'URL suivante :
+
+
+ <A HREF="http://groups.google.com/group/mageia-gnulinux/unsub?u=O0o3gxQAAADMkcE08-KeBCXMKvFCNjWtT45adePqBYimkDDrgfeYkg&amp;hl=fr">http://groups.google.com/group/mageia-gnulinux/unsub?u=O0o3gxQAAADMkcE08-KeBCXMKvFCNjWtT45adePqBYimkDDrgfeYkg&amp;hl=fr</A>
+
+ Si vous pensez que ce message rel&#232;ve d'une utilisation abusive, informez-en
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Requesting%20a%20newbie-mailinglist%20for%20Mageia%20A.S.A.P.&In-Reply-To=%3CCAPZ-hqT5CVupcE0_vNC3-5O69XEkQ5iSQR%3De4QdRVUYE40HNiQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Sandro CAZZANIGA
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/11/3 Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">kristoffer.grundstrom1983 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Like the title says, I'm wishing for a newbie mailinglist to ask
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> newbie-questions like &quot;How do I become a root-user?&quot;. /Kristoffer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You only have mageia-discuss for that. All questions on Mageia and how to
+</I>&gt;<i> use it are welcome on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Or use the forums, no need for another discussion place.
+
+Juancho
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+ <B>Dark Charlot</B>
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+ <I>Thu Nov 3 17:23:15 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>2011/11/3 Claire Robinson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> On 03/11/11 12:46, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> John Balcaen skrev 3.11.2011 14:40:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/3 Dark Charlot&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jcldc13 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So why not backporting since now and for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> every kde 4.7.X release to mageia1, it will make a lot of people
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> happy :).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> *I* won't backport it as said earlier currently, i don't prevent
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> anyone to do it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but since KDE is *quite* important i'm not sure it's wise to do it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> currently
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (cf above ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I dont think KDE 4.7 should be allowed to be put in official backport
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repos, as backports is supported too, and we dont have enough manpower
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to do proper QA for a big version upgrade.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anybody interested in helping out with QA, I'd be very pleased to provide
+</I>&gt;<i> more information :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+ Well why not, if I can find spare time... but actually testing out kde
+4.x.x for backporting sounds interesting.
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+<PRE>On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Dark Charlot &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jcldc13 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/11/3 Claire Robinson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 03/11/11 12:46, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> John Balcaen skrev 3.11.2011 14:40:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/3 Dark Charlot&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jcldc13 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So why not backporting since now and for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> every kde 4.7.X release to mageia1, it will make a lot of people
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> happy :).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> *I* won't backport it as said earlier currently, i don't prevent
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> anyone to do it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but since KDE is *quite* important i'm not sure it's wise to do it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> currently
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (cf above ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I dont think KDE 4.7 should be allowed to be put in official backport
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> repos, as backports is supported too, and we dont have enough manpower
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to do proper QA for a big version upgrade.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anybody interested in helping out with QA, I'd be very pleased to provide
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more information :D
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Well why not, if I can find spare time... but actually testing out kde
+</I>&gt;<i> 4.x.x for backporting sounds interesting.
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;JC
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i am like thomas quite against this.
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+
+New packages. I don't envisage any problems, but just figured I'd send a
+headsup anyway just in case.
+
+Please note that you'll need both packages for X to not stop about 3
+mins after your login and/or hang your boot. I didn't put in specific
+conflicts etc. as that would have meant a little more care from myself
+with the build system submits and it's a relatively soft requirement.
+
+Col
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09firefox-beta-l10n-8.0b5-2.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3CCAONrEtYqrAB%3DCDAuWKGnAiVC0FHCWFVta0ZgTE0PNbE4ZgaoOg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+&gt;<i> dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt; 8.0b5-2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 161228
+</I>&gt;<i> - Remove require in myspell for now
+</I>
+It's impossible to update it to beta6:
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+[firefox-beta-l10n]$ mgarepo up
+At revision 162725.
+--2011-11-04 12:47:43--
+<A HREF="http://binrepo.mageia.org//68039cb83c1a40fe1c7570728ed560fe0ace8d5e">http://binrepo.mageia.org//68039cb83c1a40fe1c7570728ed560fe0ace8d5e</A>
+Resolving binrepo.mageia.org (binrepo.mageia.org)... 212.85.158.147,
+2a02:2178:2:7::3
+Connecting to binrepo.mageia.org
+(binrepo.mageia.org)|212.85.158.147|:80... connected.
+HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
+Length: 239272 (234K) [text/plain]
+Saving to: `./SOURCES/ku.xpi'
+
+100%[=============================================================================================================================================&gt;]
+239,272 481K/s in 0.5s
+
+2011-11-04 12:47:44 (481 KB/s) - `./SOURCES/ku.xpi' saved [239272/239272]
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+error: File with incorrect sha1sum: ./SOURCES/zh-TW.xpi
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Some not very useful index size numbers for mga cauldron x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> core/release :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1.7M &#160; &#160;synthesis.hdlist.cz
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 11M &#160; &#160; filelists.xml.gz (8,8M when compressed with xz)
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+<PRE>On 11/04/2011 07:01 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> New packages. I don't envisage any problems, but just figured I'd send a
+</I>&gt;<i> headsup anyway just in case.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please note that you'll need both packages for X to not stop about 3
+</I>&gt;<i> mins after your login and/or hang your boot. I didn't put in specific
+</I>&gt;<i> conflicts etc. as that would have meant a little more care from myself
+</I>&gt;<i> with the build system submits and it's a relatively soft requirement.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, that explains why I can't boot after updating this morning. I get
+tons of messages about &quot;system cannot allocate temporary file&quot;, and it
+eventually stalls (but responds to magic keys)
+
+I have initscripts and systemd installed, but when I try to install
+systemd-sysvinit it wants to remove sysvinit.
+
+Note that I haven't done anything about systemd one way or the other, so
+what's installed is what an install around September/October installed,
+plus --auto-select updates since then.
+
+Any ideas ?
+
+TIA
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+On 2011.11.04, at 16:28, Frank Griffin wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 11/04/2011 07:01 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> New packages. I don't envisage any problems, but just figured I'd send a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> headsup anyway just in case.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please note that you'll need both packages for X to not stop about 3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mins after your login and/or hang your boot. I didn't put in specific
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> conflicts etc. as that would have meant a little more care from myself
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with the build system submits and it's a relatively soft requirement.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, that explains why I can't boot after updating this morning. I get tons of messages about &quot;system cannot allocate temporary file&quot;, and it eventually stalls (but responds to magic keys)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have initscripts and systemd installed, but when I try to install systemd-sysvinit it wants to remove sysvinit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that I haven't done anything about systemd one way or the other, so what's installed is what an install around September/October installed, plus --auto-select updates since then.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any ideas ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> TIA
+</I>
+Check for a buglet in line 392 of rc.sysinit. I had in a couple systems, but
+don't know if it was my mistake or it was in the package.
+I was going to check in the next box I update before reporting...
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 04/11/11 15:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 11/04/2011 07:01 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> New packages. I don't envisage any problems, but just figured I'd send a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> headsup anyway just in case.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please note that you'll need both packages for X to not stop about 3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mins after your login and/or hang your boot. I didn't put in specific
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> conflicts etc. as that would have meant a little more care from myself
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with the build system submits and it's a relatively soft requirement.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, that explains why I can't boot after updating this morning. I get
+</I>&gt;<i> tons of messages about &quot;system cannot allocate temporary file&quot;, and it
+</I>&gt;<i> eventually stalls (but responds to magic keys).
+</I>
+Interesting....
+
+&gt;<i> I have initscripts and systemd installed, but when I try to install
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-sysvinit it wants to remove sysvinit.
+</I>
+That's expected. But if you don't want to use *only* systemd, then you
+probably don't want to install that package. To choose which you use,
+just pass &quot;init=/bin/systemd&quot; on the kernel command line (before
+nokmsboot if you have it) in order to boot with systemd.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Note that I haven't done anything about systemd one way or the other, so
+</I>&gt;<i> what's installed is what an install around September/October installed,
+</I>&gt;<i> plus --auto-select updates since then.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any ideas ?
+</I>
+Not yet... looking into it.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On 11/04/2011 01:00 PM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Note that I haven't done anything about systemd one way or the other, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what's installed is what an install around September/October installed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> plus --auto-select updates since then.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any ideas ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Not yet... looking into it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>To follow up, I just did a fresh install, and the new system doesn't
+have the problem, so it looks like an upgrade issue. I have the failing
+partition still on the side if you need any info....
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 04/11/11 17:09 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 11/04/2011 01:00 PM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Note that I haven't done anything about systemd one way or the other, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what's installed is what an install around September/October installed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> plus --auto-select updates since then.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Any ideas ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not yet... looking into it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To follow up, I just did a fresh install, and the new system doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> have the problem, so it looks like an upgrade issue. I have the failing
+</I>&gt;<i> partition still on the side if you need any info....
+</I>
+There is indeed a bug in the rc.sysinit as JA Magallon said.
+
+As the fresh install is using systemd, it likely masked the problem.
+
+If you update the failing partition to the latest initscripts I've just
+submitted and retest it that would be great.
+
+If it doesn't boot enough to be able to install packages easily enough,
+you could either.
+
+a) mount that partition from another install and use rpm --root to
+install the new package, or.
+b) Boot it with init=/bin/systemd on kernel cmd line which will
+hopefully be enough to boot and then update packages and then reboot
+without systemd to test it.
+
+Hope that makes sense and sorry for the hassle.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>On 11/04/2011 01:15 PM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 04/11/11 17:09 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To follow up, I just did a fresh install, and the new system doesn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have the problem, so it looks like an upgrade issue. I have the failing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> partition still on the side if you need any info....
+</I>&gt;<i> There is indeed a bug in the rc.sysinit as JA Magallon said.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As the fresh install is using systemd, it likely masked the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you update the failing partition to the latest initscripts I've just
+</I>&gt;<i> submitted and retest it that would be great.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If it doesn't boot enough to be able to install packages easily enough,
+</I>&gt;<i> you could either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> a) mount that partition from another install and use rpm --root to
+</I>&gt;<i> install the new package, or.
+</I>&gt;<i> b) Boot it with init=/bin/systemd on kernel cmd line which will
+</I>&gt;<i> hopefully be enough to boot and then update packages and then reboot
+</I>&gt;<i> without systemd to test it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hope that makes sense and sorry for the hassle.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Actually, I spoke too soon. The fresh install didn't exhibit the
+problem, but after I ran my post-install customization script and
+rebooted, it did.
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+I'll try to update initscripts.
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+One of the things my script does is create a couple of symlinks in
+/etc/init.d to initscripts of my own, and issue chkconfig --add /
+chkconfig on for them. Might this cause the problem ?
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+The other thing I notice is that if I Magic-R-S-E, VC1 (which was hung
+with console messages) clears and a getty prompt comes up. I'm able to
+log on as root, but the root fs is mounted read-only. That might be the
+cause of the &quot;cannot allocate&quot; errors. A df shows that none of my fstab
+mounts are there, so /tmp would be the /tmp in the rootfs (and not a tmpfs).
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+</I>&gt;<i> Actually, I spoke too soon. The fresh install didn't exhibit the
+</I>&gt;<i> problem, but after I ran my post-install customization script and
+</I>&gt;<i> rebooted, it did.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll try to update initscripts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The new initscripts fixed it, thanks !
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+Why is this not included in rpmlint?
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 27 octobre 2011 17:02:53, Pascal Terjan a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; A workaround is necessary. There are two path:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1- publish each month a new iso: mageia-1a, mageia-1b, and so on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2- create an iso with updates: mageia-1-upd01, ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; In each case, the sources of packages must be updated.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Each month is not really feasible, as I believe it takes one week of
+</I>&gt;<i> work to build and test an iso.
+</I>&gt;<i> Doing it every 3 or 6 months could be a good idea
+</I>
+I have just made a mirror for i586 and x86_64 with the updates for core,
+tainted and nonfree. The size of each branch is now ~ 4.5Go
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+upd-mga1/
+|<i>-- i586
+</I>|<i> `-- media
+</I>|<i> |-- core
+</I>|<i> | `-- updates
+</I>|<i> | `-- media_info
+</I>|<i> |-- nonfree
+</I>|<i> | `-- updates
+</I>|<i> | `-- media_info
+</I>|<i> `-- tainted
+</I>|<i> `-- updates
+</I>|<i> `-- media_info
+</I>`-- x86_64
+ `-- media
+ |-- core
+ | `-- updates
+ | `-- media_info
+ |-- nonfree
+ | `-- updates
+ | `-- media_info
+ `-- tainted
+ `-- updates
+ `-- media_info
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+4,4G upd-mga1/i586/media/core
+206M upd-mga1/i586/media/nonfree
+59M upd-mga1/i586/media/tainted
+4,3G upd-mga1/x86_64/media/core
+229M upd-mga1/x86_64/media/nonfree
+59M upd-mga1/x86_64/media/tainted
+
+Then it is too much to be stored in a cheap DVD.
+IMO, when the size of a branch reaches such a size, an updated release should
+be issued. Remember that a lot of people have a slow link to internet.
+Mandriva did such updated releases which all work better than the original,
+improving the confidence in the distro.
+Today, a woman who has installed Mageia alone and for the first time, said me
+that update is so much long that she thought the distro was broken.
+
+------------------notes------------------------
+
+To setup my local mirror I use the script upd-mga1 which is called by crontab
+# mise &#224; jour des miroirs d'update tous les jours &#224; 5h35
+ 35 4 * * * /home/pierre/bin/upd-mga1 2&gt;&amp;1 &gt; /var/log/upd-mga.log
+ 35 5 * * * /home/pierre/bin/upd-mdv-2010.2 2&gt;&amp;1 &gt; /var/log/upd-mdv.log
+
+I setup the http server:
+# ln -s /home/pierre/mga/upd-1/ /var/www/html/upd-mga1
+
+Then I can use as root the script add-medias-mga on each machine to be updated
+and I unselect the other updates with MCC.
+If the updated machine is not mine, I unselect my mirrors and re-select
+others.
+
+
+--
+Pierre Jarillon - <A HREF="http://pjarillon.free.fr/">http://pjarillon.free.fr/</A>
+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org/">http://abul.org/</A>
+Microsoft est &#224; l'informatique ce que McDonald est &#224; la gastronomie.
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 05 november 2011 16:24:17 schreef Pierre Jarillon:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> Then it is too much to be stored in a cheap DVD.
+</I>&gt;<i> IMO, when the size of a branch reaches such a size, an updated release
+</I>&gt;<i> should be issued. Remember that a lot of people have a slow link to
+</I>&gt;<i> internet. Mandriva did such updated releases which all work better than
+</I>&gt;<i> the original, improving the confidence in the distro.
+</I>&gt;<i> Today, a woman who has installed Mageia alone and for the first time, said
+</I>&gt;<i> me that update is so much long that she thought the distro was broken.
+</I>[...]
+
+If we were to use the updates directly when installing (ie: not install first
+then update, but use updated packages at install time), we could even say,
+have an &quot;Update CD/DVD&quot;, which just contains the packages in question and use
+that instead of eg: mirrors...
+
+This would effectively solve the problem even when not rereleasing mageia. It's
+true that Mandriva did .0 and .1 but they also had yearly release and not
+9months...
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+</I>&gt;<i> Nobody with a cauldron install interested in proper HP support?
+</I>&gt;<i> Otherwise i'll assume everything works properly and there are
+</I>&gt;<i> no problems with this.
+</I>Tested, i can say it works but unfortunately does not solve
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463</A>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Ping?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nobody with a cauldron install interested in proper HP support?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Otherwise i'll assume everything works properly and there are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> no problems with this.
+</I>&gt;<i> Tested, i can say it works but unfortunately does not solve
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Without more information nothing can be done about that.
+Unfortunately i don't have an HP printer (actually no printer at all)
+and i can't reproduce this issue, so if you dont take a look into this
+and provide more information or at least report this to hplip developers
+at <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/hplip/+filebug">https://bugs.launchpad.net/hplip/+filebug</A> i'm afraid nothing
+won't change about this bug.
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Without more information nothing can be done about that.
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately i don't have an HP printer (actually no printer at all)
+</I>&gt;<i> and i can't reproduce this issue, so if you dont take a look into this
+</I>&gt;<i> and provide more information or at least report this to hplip developers
+</I>&gt;<i> at <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/hplip/+filebug">https://bugs.launchpad.net/hplip/+filebug</A> i'm afraid nothing
+</I>&gt;<i> won't change about this bug.
+</I>Well when i investigated a bit on it i found some bugs for that,
+bat making another fresh search i got this:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/hplip/+bug/885246">https://bugs.launchpad.net/hplip/+bug/885246</A>
+In which they say it's a ghostscript issue.
+I could try to downgrade ghostscript if that does not break my
+system to check (do you think tha is possible?).
+
+P.S. in mga1 the print result is worst than in cauldron.
+
+Cheers,
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+&gt;<i> 2011/11/1 Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: kdenlive &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 0.8.2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - new version 0.8.2
+</I>&gt;<i> Juancho maybe we should push it also on updates because according to
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://kdenlive.org/discover/0.8.2">http://kdenlive.org/discover/0.8.2</A> there's a *lot* of crash fix &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> others corruption problem .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I updated it locally locally and tried to build it against my
+installed mlt version which is 0.7.4, and the cmake script failed
+saying that it needs at least 0.7.6, so for the update to mga 1 we
+would need to push mlt too as well.
+
+The only versioned BuildRequires that mlt have are older than the ones
+on mga 1, so there shouldn't be problems pushing it too.
+
+BuildRequires: ffmpeg-devel &gt;= 0.4.9-3.pre1
+BuildRequires: multiarch-utils &gt;= 1.0.3
+
+Also the only package depending on it is kdenlive:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at localhost</A> mlt]$ urpmq --whatrequires mlt
+kdenlive
+kdenlive
+lib64mlt-devel
+libmlt-devel
+mlt
+python-mlt
+python-mlt
+
+
+So it would be safe to push both to updates_testing, right ?
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+Cheers,
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+&gt;<i> Juancho maybe we should push it also on updates because according to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://kdenlive.org/discover/0.8.2">http://kdenlive.org/discover/0.8.2</A> there's a *lot* of crash fix&amp;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> others corruption problem .
+</I>....
+&gt;<i> So it would be safe to push both to updates_testing, right ?
+</I>I think we should not provide a new version as update : it is in our policy!
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+<PRE>&gt;&gt;<i> So it would be safe to push both to updates_testing, right ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we should not provide a new version as update : it is in our
+</I>policy!
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+True, but the policy also mention exceptions, and this is mostly a bug fix
+release that fixes lots of crashes. That's why mikala (not me) thought it
+would be a good idea to do the update in this case.
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+&gt;<i> Also the only package depending on it is kdenlive:
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+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at localhost</A> mlt]$ urpmq --whatrequires mlt
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+uses mlt.
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+&gt;<i> Em 06-11-2011 00:32, Juan Luis Baptiste escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Juancho maybe we should push it also on updates because according to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://kdenlive.org/discover/0.8.2">http://kdenlive.org/discover/0.8.2</A> there's a *lot* of crash fix&amp;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> others corruption problem .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So it would be safe to push both to updates_testing, right ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we should not provide a new version as update : it is in our policy!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yep that's our policy.
+However here this package is fixing *151* bugs &amp; providing only 6 new features..
+in thoses 151 bugs there's several crash fixes , memory leaks fix &amp;
+corruption which can be a big problem for people using it.
+
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+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+&gt;<i> several crash fixes , memory leaks fix &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> corruption which can be a big problem for people using it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+44 crashes to be exact.
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+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 05 november 2011 16:24:17 schreef Pierre Jarillon:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then it is too much to be stored in a cheap DVD.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IMO, when the size of a branch reaches such a size, an updated release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should be issued. Remember that a lot of people have a slow link to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> internet. Mandriva did such updated releases which all work better than
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the original, improving the confidence in the distro.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Today, a woman who has installed Mageia alone and for the first time, said
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> me that update is so much long that she thought the distro was broken.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we were to use the updates directly when installing (ie: not install first
+</I>&gt;<i> then update, but use updated packages at install time), we could even say,
+</I>&gt;<i> have an &quot;Update CD/DVD&quot;, which just contains the packages in question and use
+</I>&gt;<i> that instead of eg: mirrors...
+</I>
+How is a download of a 600MB iso different from installing 600MB of
+updates via net? More, usually you will not need all updates, only
+updates of installed packages.
+
+&gt;<i> This would effectively solve the problem even when not rereleasing mageia. It's
+</I>&gt;<i> true that Mandriva did .0 and .1 but they also had yearly release and not
+</I>&gt;<i> 9months...
+</I>
+The .0 and .1 versions were always releases of their own. It was
+planned at some point in time to keep core packages for 12 months and
+just update userland packages in the .1-release. But that was never
+really carried through. Actually Mandriva did not release any &quot;update
+releases&quot; before 2010 (with exceptions). Until 2010.1 Mandriva had a
+6-months release cycle, 2010.2 was the first real &quot;update release&quot;
+(out of necessity because they could not provide a real release at
+that time of changes).
+
+One visible proof is: the .0 and .1 versions had their own complete,
+while 2010.2 just links to 2010.1 repos.
+
+The exceptions I mentioned above came in 2 cases where the normal
+release had critical bugs (driver for LG dvd drives, beta version of
+x-server). These update-releases did not get a different version, they
+did not use a new repo.
+
+As for update releases in general, I surely would like to see them.
+But I'm totally sure that there is no manpower available for that, not
+before Mageia 2 (all readers are invited to prove me wrong!). But I
+also see the option for local communities to make snapshots and send
+them to people with small bandwidth.
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+&gt;<i> How is a download of a 600MB iso different from installing 600MB of
+</I>&gt;<i> updates via net? More, usually you will not need all updates, only
+</I>&gt;<i> updates of installed packages.
+</I>
+because they can be downloaded by someone else and burned and delivered to
+someone. or, if you're doing multiple installs, you can save time.
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+&gt;<i> Op zondag 06 november 2011 08:15:12 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How is a download of a 600MB iso different from installing 600MB of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates via net? More, usually you will not need all updates, only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates of installed packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> because they can be downloaded by someone else and burned and delivered to
+</I>&gt;<i> someone. or, if you're doing multiple installs, you can save time.
+</I>
+We are talking about 2 different things here:
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+1. An &quot;update release&quot;, meaning a installation DVD with current status.
+The benefit for new installations is the current state of a stable
+release. The downside: the installation only holds part of the
+software. Many (or even most) users will install additional packages
+from the repos after installation. This will not change, and people
+who want to update their existing system will still need to get
+updates for all installed packages which are not on the installation
+DVD.
+
+2. A DVD with updates
+This DVD may present a benefit for people with small bandwidth or in
+case of a multiple machine environment. Although, in such a case I'd
+prefer a local repository with nightly sync. A DVD with all updates is
+only a snapshot of one moment in the release's life, part of it may be
+outdated next day or week. So, 2 weeks later we have the same
+questions as today. I don't think that Mageia should offer this, not
+talking about the fact that everybody can do this (at the time which
+suits himself) without much knowledge.
+
+A DVD with updates is a nice idea for a local community where somebody
+has enough bandwidth to host a local repo (or even mirror) and can
+hand out update snapshots on request for people with small bandwidth..
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>Op zondag 06 november 2011 10:19:59 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> We are talking about 2 different things here:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. An &quot;update release&quot;, meaning a installation DVD with current status.
+</I>&gt;<i> The benefit for new installations is the current state of a stable
+</I>&gt;<i> release. The downside: the installation only holds part of the
+</I>&gt;<i> software. Many (or even most) users will install additional packages
+</I>&gt;<i> from the repos after installation. This will not change, and people
+</I>&gt;<i> who want to update their existing system will still need to get
+</I>&gt;<i> updates for all installed packages which are not on the installation
+</I>&gt;<i> DVD.
+</I>
+I don't think this is feasible, too much QA required.
+
+What we could do instead, is having the installer install the updates
+directly, instead of afterwards, this would mean that the installation time
+drops. the big disadvantage of this is the amount downloaded packages, but
+that's where point 2 comes in, IF we allow this sort of thing in the
+installer.
+
+&gt;<i> 2. A DVD with updates
+</I>&gt;<i> This DVD may present a benefit for people with small bandwidth or in
+</I>&gt;<i> case of a multiple machine environment. Although, in such a case I'd
+</I>&gt;<i> prefer a local repository with nightly sync. A DVD with all updates is
+</I>&gt;<i> only a snapshot of one moment in the release's life, part of it may be
+</I>&gt;<i> outdated next day or week. So, 2 weeks later we have the same
+</I>&gt;<i> questions as today. I don't think that Mageia should offer this, not
+</I>&gt;<i> talking about the fact that everybody can do this (at the time which
+</I>&gt;<i> suits himself) without much knowledge.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A DVD with updates is a nice idea for a local community where somebody
+</I>&gt;<i> has enough bandwidth to host a local repo (or even mirror) and can
+</I>&gt;<i> hand out update snapshots on request for people with small bandwidth..
+</I>
+Ah, i see your point, you mean that this could be done on-demand. yes, that's
+good enough for me, no need to do this from mageia itself.
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+Il 06/11/2011 10:19, Wolfgang Bornath ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> 2011/11/6 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op zondag 06 november 2011 08:15:12 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How is a download of a 600MB iso different from installing 600MB of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updates via net? More, usually you will not need all updates, only
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updates of installed packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because they can be downloaded by someone else and burned and delivered to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> someone. or, if you're doing multiple installs, you can save time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;cut&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. A DVD with updates
+</I>&gt;<i> This DVD may present a benefit for people with small bandwidth or in
+</I>&gt;<i> case of a multiple machine environment. Although, in such a case I'd
+</I>&gt;<i> prefer a local repository with nightly sync. A DVD with all updates is
+</I>&gt;<i> only a snapshot of one moment in the release's life, part of it may be
+</I>&gt;<i> outdated next day or week. So, 2 weeks later we have the same
+</I>&gt;<i> questions as today. I don't think that Mageia should offer this, not
+</I>&gt;<i> talking about the fact that everybody can do this (at the time which
+</I>&gt;<i> suits himself) without much knowledge.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A DVD with updates is a nice idea for a local community where somebody
+</I>&gt;<i> has enough bandwidth to host a local repo (or even mirror) and can
+</I>&gt;<i> hand out update snapshots on request for people with small bandwidth..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think that having something like apt-zip[1] on Mageia (I mean based on
+urpm) could be a good alternative, too.
+Regards,
+
+[1] <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip">http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip</A>
+- --
+Matteo
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> &gt; Tested, i can say it works but unfortunately does not solve
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463</A>
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+Well i think it's not fixed for me, but print quality is better,
+so i wonder if you could add it in 1/update_testing to verify
+if other people who got that problem using different hp printers
+has that bug fixed instead....
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+On 11/6/2011 5:49 AM, Matteo wrote:
+&gt;<i> Il 06/11/2011 10:19, Wolfgang Bornath ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/6 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op zondag 06 november 2011 08:15:12 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How is a download of a 600MB iso different from installing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 600MB of updates via net? More, usually you will not need all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updates, only updates of installed packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because they can be downloaded by someone else and burned and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> delivered to someone. or, if you're doing multiple installs,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you can save time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;cut&gt; 2. A DVD with updates This DVD may present a benefit for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people with small bandwidth or in case of a multiple machine
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> environment. Although, in such a case I'd prefer a local
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repository with nightly sync. A DVD with all updates is only a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> snapshot of one moment in the release's life, part of it may be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> outdated next day or week. So, 2 weeks later we have the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> questions as today. I don't think that Mageia should offer this,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not talking about the fact that everybody can do this (at the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time which suits himself) without much knowledge.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A DVD with updates is a nice idea for a local community where
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> somebody has enough bandwidth to host a local repo (or even
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mirror) and can hand out update snapshots on request for people
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with small bandwidth..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that having something like apt-zip[1] on Mageia (I mean
+</I>&gt;<i> based on urpm) could be a good alternative, too. Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip">http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+
+&quot;DeltaRPM&quot;
+
+&lt;<A HREF="http://freecode.com/projects/deltarpm">http://freecode.com/projects/deltarpm</A>&gt;
+
+Fedora uses it this way:
+
+
+&quot;DeltaRPM Support (Presto)&quot;
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+&lt;<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Presto">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Presto</A>&gt;
+
+This page is old. The project/feature is now enabled by default.
+- --
+
+ David
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+<PRE>2011/11/6 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Op zondag 06 november 2011 10:19:59 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We are talking about 2 different things here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. An &quot;update release&quot;, meaning a installation DVD with current status.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The benefit for new installations is the current state of a stable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release. The downside: the installation only holds part of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software. Many (or even most) users will install additional packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from the repos after installation. This will not change, and people
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> who want to update their existing system will still need to get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates for all installed packages which are not on the installation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> DVD.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think this is feasible, too much QA required.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What we could do instead, is having the installer install the updates
+</I>&gt;<i> directly, instead of afterwards, this would mean that the installation time
+</I>&gt;<i> drops. the big disadvantage of this is the amount downloaded packages, but
+</I>&gt;<i> that's where point 2 comes in, IF we allow this sort of thing in the
+</I>&gt;<i> installer.
+</I>
+The problem is that many wifi connections are not working at this time
+(experienced this myself several times on different machines). So this
+is only an option for cable connected machines.
+It may be an option if you have such a DVD I was talking about in
+point 2 - somewhere at the start of the install process you can add an
+additional medium. If a newer package is on the update DVD (or USB key
+or external harddisk) the installer should take this instead of the
+package from the installer DVD) should work with an update DVD or USB
+key. It will not reduce the download but the overall system setup time
+(as you wrote).
+Of course, if you have networking at that time, you could use a server
+with an update repo (especially in a multi-machine environment)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> 2. A DVD with updates
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This DVD may present a benefit for people with small bandwidth or in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> case of a multiple machine environment. Although, in such a case I'd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> prefer a local repository with nightly sync. A DVD with all updates is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> only a snapshot of one moment in the release's life, part of it may be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> outdated next day or week. So, 2 weeks later we have the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> questions as today. I don't think that Mageia should offer this, not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> talking about the fact that everybody can do this (at the time which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suits himself) without much knowledge.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A DVD with updates is a nice idea for a local community where somebody
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> has enough bandwidth to host a local repo (or even mirror) and can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hand out update snapshots on request for people with small bandwidth..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah, i see your point, you mean that this could be done on-demand. yes, that's
+</I>&gt;<i> good enough for me, no need to do this from mageia itself.
+</I>
+Of course we could provide guidelines / help / documentation for this
+case to make it an easy job for your average Joe.
+
+--
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+<PRE>Op zondag 06 november 2011 12:38:24 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> Of course, if you have networking at that time, you could use a server
+</I>&gt;<i> with an update repo (especially in a multi-machine environment)
+</I>
+or with urpmi-proxy :-)
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2. A DVD with updates
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> Of course we could provide guidelines / help / documentation for this
+</I>&gt;<i> case to make it an easy job for your average Joe.
+</I>of course
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+&gt;<i> 2011/11/6 Maarten Vanraes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> It may be an option if you have such a DVD I was talking about in
+</I>&gt;<i> point 2 - somewhere at the start of the install process you can add an
+</I>&gt;<i> additional medium. If a newer package is on the update DVD (or USB key
+</I>&gt;<i> or external harddisk) the installer should take this instead of the
+</I>&gt;<i> package from the installer DVD) should work with an update DVD or USB
+</I>&gt;<i> key. It will not reduce the download but the overall system setup time
+</I>&gt;<i> (as you wrote).
+</I>Won't this end up with &quot;Enter updates medium&quot; -&gt; &quot;Enter main medium&quot; -&gt; &quot;Enter updates
+medium&quot; -&gt; and so on..
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+<PRE>Mageia Team skrev 6.11.2011 13:41:
+&gt;<i> Name : x11-server Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.11.2 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Sun Nov 6 12:35:15 2011
+</I>
+Pushing this to core/release before alpha1 means fglrx wont work on
+alpha1 (wich is why I waited to push 1.11 series to /release), so
+you now need to update ldetect-lst to disable fglrx :/
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+&gt;<i> Mageia Team skrev 6.11.2011 13:41:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : x11-server Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 1.11.2 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Sun Nov 6
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 12:35:15 2011
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pushing this to core/release before alpha1 means fglrx wont work on
+</I>&gt;<i> alpha1 (wich is why I waited to push 1.11 series to /release), so
+</I>&gt;<i> you now need to update ldetect-lst to disable fglrx :/
+</I>
+nvidia173 and nvidia96xx need to be disabled as well.
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+<PRE>2011/11/6 Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 06.11.2011 13:38, Wolfgang Bornath kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/6 Maarten Vanraes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It may be an option if you have such a DVD I was talking about in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> point 2 - somewhere at the start of the install process you can add an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> additional medium. If a newer package is on the update DVD (or USB key
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or external harddisk) the installer should take this instead of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package from the installer DVD) should work with an update DVD or USB
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> key. It will not reduce the download but the overall system setup time
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (as you wrote).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Won't this end up with &quot;Enter updates medium&quot; -&gt; &quot;Enter main medium&quot; -&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Enter updates medium&quot; -&gt; and so on..
+</I>
+Your question reminded me of my old Schneider 8086, no harddisk, 2
+floppy drives. Working with Word for DOS (18 program floppies, 7
+driver floppies) meant: one drive was occupied with the OS floppy, the
+other one was your &quot;DJ turntable&quot;. Want to format a character as bold?
+Insert floppy #8. Continue writing? Enter floppy #4. :)
+
+Back to today: it depends on your machine and how you organize things.
+If you have only one DVD drive, occupied by the installation DVD, you
+want to put the updates on a USB key (or the other way around). Or use
+2 USB keys. My experience of the last 2-3 years say that most people
+are dumping optical media for installation ISOs more and more in favor
+of USB media (keys, harddisks).
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+For my netbook (no optical drive) I have a selection of USB keys as
+install media and a USb harddisk which I could use for the updates.
+
+Sometimes the question how hard or how easy something is for you is
+answered by your way to do it.
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+<PRE>Am 05.11.2011 21:25, schrieb Angelo Naselli:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Without more information nothing can be done about that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunately i don't have an HP printer (actually no printer at all)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and i can't reproduce this issue, so if you dont take a look into this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and provide more information or at least report this to hplip developers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/hplip/+filebug">https://bugs.launchpad.net/hplip/+filebug</A> i'm afraid nothing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> won't change about this bug.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well when i investigated a bit on it i found some bugs for that,
+</I>&gt;<i> bat making another fresh search i got this:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/hplip/+bug/885246">https://bugs.launchpad.net/hplip/+bug/885246</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> In which they say it's a ghostscript issue.
+</I>&gt;<i> I could try to downgrade ghostscript if that does not break my
+</I>&gt;<i> system to check (do you think tha is possible?).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> P.S. in mga1 the print result is worst than in cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>Well as you have the necessary packaging-fu, you could try to add the
+Fedora patches which we don't have to the ghostscript package of Mageia 1,
+as they have approx. the same version that we have, and they don't have that
+problem from what i know. Or simply try first with the cauldron package,
+that is the same version as the Fedora one and start from there.
+
+I could do too, but that would be a really lengthy process as i can't test
+it directly. You can get the patches and the SPEC for fedora ghostscript here:
+<A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=ghostscript.git;a=tree">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=ghostscript.git;a=tree</A>
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...">anaselli at linux.it
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+ <I>Sun Nov 6 16:07:23 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> &gt; I think that having something like apt-zip[1] on Mageia (I mean
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; based on urpm) could be a good alternative, too. Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [1] <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip">http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;DeltaRPM&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://freecode.com/projects/deltarpm">http://freecode.com/projects/deltarpm</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora uses it this way:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;DeltaRPM Support (Presto)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Presto">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Presto</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This page is old. The project/feature is now enabled by default.
+</I>If I'm not wrong suse uses delta with zypper.
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+ <B>Julien</B>
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+ <I>Sun Nov 6 15:38:36 CET 2011</I>
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+I just submitted the latest version (0.9.5.92) of compiz to update_testing.
+It's a development version with a complete rewrite so even if it
+should work, I think you can expect some breakage.
+At least fusion-icon doesn't seems to work anymore.
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+Please test and report :)
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+ <I>Sun Nov 6 19:07:02 CET 2011</I>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Pushing this to core/release before alpha1 means fglrx wont work on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alpha1 (wich is why I waited to push 1.11 series to /release), so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you now need to update ldetect-lst to disable fglrx :/
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+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia173 and nvidia96xx need to be disabled as well.
+</I>
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+arg, my --define was buggy :-(
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Pushing this to core/release before alpha1 means fglrx wont work on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> alpha1 (wich is why I waited to push 1.11 series to /release), so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you now need to update ldetect-lst to disable fglrx :/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia173 and nvidia96xx need to be disabled as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> arg, my --define was buggy :-(
+</I>
+Could you move it to updates_testing and restore
+x11-server-1.10.x from old/ ?
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+<PRE>On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Thierry Vignaud
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 6 November 2011 19:07, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Pushing this to core/release before alpha1 means fglrx wont work on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> alpha1 (wich is why I waited to push 1.11 series to /release), so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you now need to update ldetect-lst to disable fglrx :/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia173 and nvidia96xx need to be disabled as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> arg, my --define was buggy :-(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you move it to updates_testing and restore
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-server-1.10.x from old/ ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+do you have the list of the rpms ? only x11-server-1.10.x ?
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Pushing this to core/release before alpha1 means fglrx wont work on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> alpha1 (wich is why I waited to push 1.11 series to /release), so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you now need to update ldetect-lst to disable fglrx :/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia173 and nvidia96xx need to be disabled as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> arg, my --define was buggy :-(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could you move it to updates_testing and restore
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x11-server-1.10.x from old/ ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> do you have the list of the rpms ? &#160;only x11-server-1.10.x ?
+</I>
+Only x11-server-1.10*, aka:
+x11-server x11-server-common x11-server-devel x11-server-source
+x11-server-xdmx x11-server-xephyr x11-server-xfake x11-server-xfbdev
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+&gt;<i> Revision 164539 Author kharec Date 2011-11-06 20:34:22 +0100 (Sun, 06 Nov
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> - add P1 to fix #2427
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+</I>&gt;<i> Modified Paths
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+</I>&gt;<i> updates/1/findutils/current/SPECS/findutils.spec
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+Hi,
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+please explain what it fixes too instead or just providing the bug number.
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+&gt;<i> On 6 November 2011 20:02, D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Pushing this to core/release before alpha1 means fglrx wont work on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> alpha1 (wich is why I waited to push 1.11 series to /release), so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you now need to update ldetect-lst to disable fglrx :/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia173 and nvidia96xx need to be disabled as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> arg, my --define was buggy :-(
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Could you move it to updates_testing and restore
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> x11-server-1.10.x from old/ ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do you have the list of the rpms ? &#160;only x11-server-1.10.x ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Only x11-server-1.10*, aka:
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-server x11-server-common x11-server-devel x11-server-source
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-server-xdmx x11-server-xephyr x11-server-xfake x11-server-xfbdev
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-server-xnest x11-server-xorg x11-server-xvfb
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+should be OK now for core/release.
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Well as you have the necessary packaging-fu, you could try to add the
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora patches which we don't have to the ghostscript package of Mageia 1,
+</I>&gt;<i> as they have approx. the same version that we have, and they don't have
+</I>&gt;<i> that problem from what i know. Or simply try first with the cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> package, that is the same version as the Fedora one and start from there.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I could do too, but that would be a really lengthy process as i can't test
+</I>&gt;<i> it directly. You can get the patches and the SPEC for fedora ghostscript
+</I>&gt;<i> here: <A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=ghostscript.git;a=tree">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=ghostscript.git;a=tree</A>
+</I>I couldn't be able to build fedora packages, too many unresolved linker
+symbols, but I added two patches of theirs to our package, more because
+i think they are usefull, than to solve the HP issue. But again the colors
+are dareker, the result is better than in mageia 1 however.
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+I will try to print in fedora, i should have a vm as well
+somewhere...
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+If you want i can commit those changes anyway (they are upstream patches
+if i understood correctly).
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> P.S. in mga1 the print result is worst than in cauldron.
+</I>/me hides!
+I made a big mistake, i print to the shared printer, so i didn't
+print directly to printer from cauldron, but to the share
+one in mageia 1 :/
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+I wonder why share option is enabled by default though :(
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+The good news is that it works! the output is what i
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+Do you think we can provide a testing update of hplip to mga1
+for <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463?">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463?</A>
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+<PRE>2011/11/6 D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:34 PM, &#160;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 164539 Author kharec Date 2011-11-06 20:34:22 +0100 (Sun, 06 Nov
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add P1 to fix #2427
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates/1/findutils/current/SPECS/findutils.spec
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> please explain what it fixes too instead or just providing the bug number.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This was also discussed @IRC with kharec. However, I propedited the
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+<PRE>Am 06.11.2011 21:38, schrieb Angelo Naselli:
+&gt;&gt;<i> P.S. in mga1 the print result is worst than in cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> /me hides!
+</I>&gt;<i> I made a big mistake, i print to the shared printer, so i didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> print directly to printer from cauldron, but to the share
+</I>&gt;<i> one in mageia 1 :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder why share option is enabled by default though :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The good news is that it works! the output is what i
+</I>&gt;<i> expected to see :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you think we can provide a testing update of hplip to mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> for <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463?">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463?</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>For clarification, you printed now from cauldron with hplip-3.11.10
+and with an unmodified ghostscript package, as is in the cauldron
+repos?
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+<PRE>In data domenica 6 novembre 2011 21:56:16, Florian Hubold ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> For clarification, you printed now from cauldron with hplip-3.11.10
+</I>&gt;<i> and with an unmodified ghostscript package, as is in the cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> repos?
+</I>I modified ghostscript (and released it), and with that version i
+made three printings the first failed, since it was used a wrong printer,
+last two worked well.
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+If you prefer i can build by my self hplip in mageia 1 to make more tests...
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20hplip%203.11.10%20call%20for%20testing%20-%20feedback%20needed&In-Reply-To=%3C201111062319.41281.anaselli%40linux.it%3E"
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> If you prefer i can build by my self hplip in mageia 1 to make more
+</I>&gt;<i> tests...
+</I>I did. It seems it's not enough.
+
+I could try to port patches to mga1 ghostscript version
+and use old hplip, then (if fails) adding new hplip... but
+tomorrow.
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+Cheers,
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+Julien &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mjulien.m at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just submitted the latest version (0.9.5.92) of compiz to
+</I>&gt;<i> update_testing. It's a development version with a complete rewrite so
+</I>&gt;<i> even if it should work, I think you can expect some breakage.
+</I>&gt;<i> At least fusion-icon doesn't seems to work anymore.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please test and report :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards
+</I>&gt;<i> Julien
+</I>
+Everything is compiled except compiz-fusion-plugins-extra which fail on BS
+with cryptic error. If someone has an idea. (It compiles locally without
+problem).
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+Regards
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 6 novembre 2011 20:52:02 Julien a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:38:36 +0100,
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Everything is compiled except compiz-fusion-plugins-extra which fail on BS
+</I>&gt;<i> with cryptic error. If someone has an idea. (It compiles locally without
+</I>&gt;<i> problem).
+</I>I do &amp; fixed it.
+
+In fact some plugins of compiz-fusion-plugins-extra requires in order to build
+some libraries available in compiz package (composite, opengl &amp; scale) &amp;
+others available in compiz-fusion-plugin-main ( text at least).
+This is due to a missing requires available on the -devel package for compiz-
+devel and compiz-fusion-plugins-main.
+I fixed them on svn &amp; push them again on core/updates_testing.
+
+You did not encounter this error locally because you're probably not using a
+clean chroot to build this package.
+
+
+Regards,
+--
+Balcaen John
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+<PRE>On Wednesday, November 02, 2011 05:51:47 pm Funda Wang wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/11/3 D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so what to do ? we drop it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, please drop php-ffmpeg.
+</I>Please drop it.
+--
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+<PRE>On Wednesday, November 02, 2011 09:09:51 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sunday, October 16, 2011 01:49:25 am Jos&#233; Jorge wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le dimanche 16 octobre 2011 01:01:29, Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; php-ffmpeg doesn't build anymore and their WEBsite dosn't show any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; development activity. There are bug reposts, but none has closed for at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; least 2 years I propose to drop this package. I don't think there are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; any deps that need it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I agree with this drop. Another php question :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am trying to build maniadrive in Mageia. To strip the embedded libs, it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; needs the file /usr/lib/libphp5.so . We currently do not build it in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; php packages. Fedora does it and it ends in the rpm php-embedded.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. Do you agree to add it to our php SPEC?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. Do you want to do it, or can I just submit?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll look at it this weekend.
+</I>Would you please provide a few more details?
+--
+Thomas
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+<PRE>2011/11/6 Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> 2011/11/6 D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:34 PM, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Revision 164539 Author kharec Date 2011-11-06 20:34:22 +0100 (Sun, 06
+</I>&gt;<i> Nov
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - add P1 to fix #2427
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; updates/1/findutils/current/SPECS/findutils.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; please explain what it fixes too instead or just providing the bug
+</I>&gt;<i> number.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This was also discussed @IRC with kharec. However, I propedited the
+</I>&gt;<i> commit msg when I fixed the patch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>2011/11/6 Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
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+</I>&gt;<i> Wiki migration to Mediawiki is now in progress and goes quite well.
+</I>&gt;<i> Temporary wiki is now available in read-only mode to avoid loosing
+</I>&gt;<i> information. It should take some more days before new wiki is
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+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for you comprehension
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+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 7 novembre 2011 05:43:50, Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday, November 02, 2011 09:09:51 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sunday, October 16, 2011 01:49:25 am Jos&#233; Jorge wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I am trying to build maniadrive in Mageia. To strip the embedded libs,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; it needs the file /usr/lib/libphp5.so . We currently do not build it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; in the php packages. Fedora does it and it ends in the rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; php-embedded.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1. Do you agree to add it to our php SPEC?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2. Do you want to do it, or can I just submit?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'll look at it this weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would you please provide a few more details?
+</I>
+Yes, here are the lib parts I see in fedora, I think they are self explaining.
+But as we don't build it the same way, I don't know how to adapt it.
+
+BUILD:
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+# Build for inclusion as embedded script language into applications,
+# /usr/lib[64]/libphp5.so
+pushd build-embedded
+build --enable-embed \
+ --without-mysql --disable-pdo \
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+popd
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 02/11/11 00:40 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Thierry Vignaud
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 27 October 2011 17:11, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> takashi &lt;takashi&gt; 0.714.0-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 158214
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - update to 0.714
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2.noarch (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[&gt;= 0.712.0])
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> still broken.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The main issue is that i don't see perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[&gt;=
+</I>&gt;<i> 0.712.0]) see : <A HREF="http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/">http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/</A>
+</I>
+Seems that the version requirement was reverted.
+
+I've pushed a fix seeing as the original submitter clearly isn't paying
+attention :(
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>hi colin,
+
+On 11/11/07 09:54 +0000, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2.noarch (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[&gt;= 0.712.0])
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; still broken.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The main issue is that i don't see perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[&gt;=
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 0.712.0]) see : <A HREF="http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/">http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems that the version requirement was reverted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've pushed a fix seeing as the original submitter clearly isn't paying
+</I>&gt;<i> attention :(
+</I>
+it's not that submitter isn't paying attention, it's that takashi just
+finished his trainee period and was puzzled on how to fix this problem.
+
+so, i preferred to let him deal with the bug (with my help), since:
+- it's cauldron, so breakage can happen and that's not a big deal
+- the breakage itself isn't big (just a package that cannot be
+ installed)
+- the package is really not an important one
+
+now, i saw you did the fix. thanks, but there's no reason to be really
+upset by this.
+
+and in no way you need to point finger on this list, especially since
+there has been activity on the bug report (takashi took ownership of the
+bug). remember that we're a community and that we want to grow this
+community. i agree though that i should have replied to mention the
+background and that takashi was on the bug, but that it might take some
+time. if need be, i'm taking the blame for the whole thing.
+
+thanks again for the fix,
+j&#233;r&#244;me
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+&gt;<i> The BS recently (correctly) rejected a package which attempted to create
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+</I>&gt;<i> This was not however found beforehand by rpmlint in the spec.
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+</I>&gt;<i> What test is done by the BS to catch this?
+</I>&gt;<i> Why is this not included in rpmlint?
+</I>
+Running rpmlint on the binary package.
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+&gt;<i> 2011/11/5 Z&#233;zinho &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Em 06-11-2011 00:32, Juan Luis Baptiste escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Juancho maybe we should push it also on updates because according to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://kdenlive.org/discover/0.8.2">http://kdenlive.org/discover/0.8.2</A> there's a *lot* of crash fix&amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; others corruption problem .
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ....
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So it would be safe to push both to updates_testing, right ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think we should not provide a new version as update : it is in our policy!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep that's our policy.
+</I>&gt;<i> However here this package is fixing *151* bugs &amp; providing only 6 new features..
+</I>&gt;<i> in thoses 151 bugs there's several crash fixes , memory leaks fix &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> corruption which can be a big problem for people using it.
+</I>
+Then the question is &quot;why did we ship a buggy software in our release&quot;.
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+We have in Mageia concurrently ispell, aspell, myspell and hunspell +
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+Let make order.
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+This is my scratch of the project, read for more info
+<A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview</A>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 07 novembre 2011 &#224; 12:36 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have in Mageia concurrently ispell, aspell, myspell and hunspell +
+</I>&gt;<i> voikko and hspell.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let make order.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is my scratch of the project, read for more info
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Proposals">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Proposals</A>
+</I>
+&quot;make order, remove obsolete stuff (also from inside the spec files)&quot;
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+The cleaning should have been doneon import. Seems no one did clean
+anything on import, despites asking and agreeing to do so...
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+Does hunspell provides a command line tool ? Cause that's one of my use
+case of aspell, and I am not the only one ( I can think of integration
+with some others tools, like mutt/vim ). What is the plan regarding
+compatibility with that ?
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+<PRE>On 07.11.2011 12:46, Michael Scherer wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 07 novembre 2011 &#224; 12:36 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We have in Mageia concurrently ispell, aspell, myspell and hunspell +
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> voikko and hspell.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Let make order.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is my scratch of the project, read for more info
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Proposals">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Proposals</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;make order, remove obsolete stuff (also from inside the spec files)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The cleaning should have been doneon import. Seems no one did clean
+</I>&gt;<i> anything on import, despites asking and agreeing to do so...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does hunspell provides a command line tool ?
+</I>Yes.
+urpmq -l hunspell
+man 1 hunspell
+&gt;<i> Cause that's one of my use
+</I>&gt;<i> case of aspell, and I am not the only one ( I can think of integration
+</I>&gt;<i> with some others tools, like mutt/vim ). What is the plan regarding
+</I>&gt;<i> compatibility with that ?
+</I>I would like to patch as much as possible to use hunspell, and keep
+aspell/myspell/ispell only as an optional package for those who really
+want it - for example with a specific Perl module or standalone application.
+
+Let us discuss everything.
+
+When I ask people everyone has result of rpm -qa|grep -E
+&quot;enchant|aspell|myspell|hunspell|voikko&quot; same or simillar like the mine:
+myspell-csb_CSB-1.0.2-30.mga1
+myspell-pl_PL-1.0.2-30.mga1
+aspell-pl-0.60.5-2.20090830.8.mga1
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+myspell-en_US-1.0.2-30.mga1
+lib64voikko1-3.2-2.mga1
+aspell-0.60.6-12.mga1
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+And $ rpm -qa|grep -E &quot;enchant|aspell|myspell|hunspell|voikko&quot;|wc -l
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+ <B>Pierre Jarillon</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia">jarillon at abul.org
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+ <I>Mon Nov 7 13:33:27 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 7 novembre 2011 12:36:07, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> This is my scratch of the project, read for more info
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Proposals">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Proposals</A>
+</I>
+Great job!
+IMO, this looks like the File Hierarchical Structure 17 years ago.
+Unix systems were all a little different and the use of /etc, /var/, udr/...
+was not standardized.
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard</A>
+
+It is necessary to have a written standard for spell-checkers:
+1- interfaces
+2- data
+3- a repository for the datas (contributors welcome)
+
+The independance of datas, software and interfaces should be great to preserve
+the future.
+Ten years ago I did this proposal, more than a spell-checker:
+<A HREF="http://pjarillon.free.fr/eurolang/cetral-propos.en.html">http://pjarillon.free.fr/eurolang/cetral-propos.en.html</A>
+<A HREF="http://pjarillon.free.fr/eurolang/cetral-propos.fr.html">http://pjarillon.free.fr/eurolang/cetral-propos.fr.html</A>
+
+--
+Pierre Jarillon - <A HREF="http://pjarillon.free.fr/">http://pjarillon.free.fr/</A>
+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org/">http://abul.org/</A>
+Microsoft est &#224; l'informatique ce que McDonald est &#224; la gastronomie.
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+<PRE>On 7 November 2011 12:22, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Ensure we update the default systemd target when setting runlevel.
+</I>
+(...)
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+&gt;<i> @@ -227,6 +227,12 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> -r $f or log::l(&quot;missing inittab!!!&quot;), return;
+</I>&gt;<i> if ($o_runlevel) {
+</I>&gt;<i> substInFile { s/^id:\d:initdefault:\s*$/id:$o_runlevel:initdefault:\n/ }
+</I>&gt;<i> $f if !$::testing;
+</I>&gt;<i> + my $t = &quot;$::prefix/lib/systemd/system/runlevel$o_runlevel.target&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> + if (!$::testing &amp;&amp; -f $t) {
+</I>&gt;<i> + my $d = &quot;$::prefix/etc/systemd/system/default.target&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> + unlink($d);
+</I>&gt;<i> + symlink($t, &quot;$::prefix/etc/systemd/system/default.target&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> + }
+</I>
+This is bogus, you're including the chroot path in the target path...
+Which will obviously fail then (pointing to eg /mnt/etc/foobar
+instead of /etc/foobar)
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+<PRE>On 7 November 2011 13:48, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision 2133 Author dmorgan Date 2011-11-07 13:48:52 +0100 (Mon, 07 Nov
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> New version 0.98
+</I>
+Please do not release (see my other mail)
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2131] Ensure we update the default systemd target when setting runlevel.">cguthrie at mandriva.org
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 07/11/11 12:50 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 7 November 2011 12:22, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ensure we update the default systemd target when setting runlevel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -227,6 +227,12 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -r $f or log::l(&quot;missing inittab!!!&quot;), return;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if ($o_runlevel) {
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> substInFile { s/^id:\d:initdefault:\s*$/id:$o_runlevel:initdefault:\n/ }
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $f if !$::testing;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + my $t = &quot;$::prefix/lib/systemd/system/runlevel$o_runlevel.target&quot;;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + if (!$::testing &amp;&amp; -f $t) {
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + my $d = &quot;$::prefix/etc/systemd/system/default.target&quot;;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + unlink($d);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + symlink($t, &quot;$::prefix/etc/systemd/system/default.target&quot;);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + }
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is bogus, you're including the chroot path in the target path...
+</I>&gt;<i> Which will obviously fail then (pointing to eg /mnt/etc/foobar
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of /etc/foobar)
+</I>
+Oh ouch! Good catch.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 07/11/11 12:51 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 7 November 2011 13:48, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 2133 Author dmorgan Date 2011-11-07 13:48:52 +0100 (Mon, 07 Nov
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> New version 0.98
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please do not release (see my other mail)
+</I>
+I think it's too late, but another will follow very soon. My bad :(
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>2011/11/7 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then the question is &quot;why did we ship a buggy software in our release&quot;.
+</I>Simply because it was shipped initially in Mandriva &amp; someone request
+it to be available in Mageia.
+It's the same thing as calibre or chromium-browser i would say :p
+
+&gt;<i> Did no one test the package to let important bug slip ?
+</I>Well i guess upstream did not too initially ;o)
+
+&gt;<i> Or are the crashes not that important ?
+</I>I don't know if they are important or not, however when i'm reading
+this changelog i feel culprit about not providing a update version for
+a version shipped with so many bugs/corruption because i personally
+won't be happy to loose hours of works on a video because of a
+crash/corruption.
+
+Of course we can also simply push it as backports but this is not
+correct from my point of view.
+
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+<PRE>07.11.2011 15:26, John Balcaen kirjutas:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Then the question is &quot;why did we ship a buggy software in our release&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Simply because it was shipped initially in Mandriva&amp; someone request
+</I>&gt;<i> it to be available in Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's the same thing as calibre or chromium-browser i would say :p
+</I>+1
+&gt;&gt;<i> Or are the crashes not that important ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know if they are important or not, however when i'm reading
+</I>&gt;<i> this changelog i feel culprit about not providing a update version for
+</I>&gt;<i> a version shipped with so many bugs/corruption because i personally
+</I>&gt;<i> won't be happy to loose hours of works on a video because of a
+</I>&gt;<i> crash/corruption.
+</I>Those crashes are important and my friend is complaining about some of
+those.
+&gt;<i> Of course we can also simply push it as backports but this is not
+</I>&gt;<i> correct from my point of view.
+</I>Well.. firstly, you can't push it to backports as backports are STILL
+not open (board, wtf? who is responsible?!) and secondly, yes it would
+be better to release it as an update (too many crashing bugs and also
+some of the features will make life easier).
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+--
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+<PRE>On 7 November 2011 12:36, Kamil Rytarowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have in Mageia concurrently ispell, aspell, myspell and hunspell + voikko
+</I>&gt;<i> and hspell.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let make order.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is my scratch of the project, read for more info
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Proposals">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Proposals</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tell me what do you think?
+</I>
+Let's go the Fedora/Ubuntu way and only keep hunspell
+Btw ispell should never have been merged back.
+Guess I should have killed it at some point @mdv ...
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+<PRE>On 7 November 2011 13:58, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Modified: drakx-kbd-mouse-x11/trunk/lib/Xconfig/various.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx-kbd-mouse-x11/trunk/lib/Xconfig/various.pm 2011-11-07 12:48:52 UTC
+</I>&gt;<i> (rev 2133)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx-kbd-mouse-x11/trunk/lib/Xconfig/various.pm 2011-11-07 12:58:09 UTC
+</I>&gt;<i> (rev 2134)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -227,8 +227,8 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> -r $f or log::l(&quot;missing inittab!!!&quot;), return;
+</I>&gt;<i> if ($o_runlevel) {
+</I>&gt;<i> substInFile { s/^id:\d:initdefault:\s*$/id:$o_runlevel:initdefault:\n/ }
+</I>&gt;<i> $f if !$::testing;
+</I>&gt;<i> - my $t = &quot;$::prefix/lib/systemd/system/runlevel$o_runlevel.target&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> - if (!$::testing &amp;&amp; -f $t) {
+</I>&gt;<i> + my $t = &quot;/lib/systemd/system/runlevel$o_runlevel.target&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> + if (!$::testing &amp;&amp; -f &quot;$::prefix$t&quot;) {
+</I>&gt;<i> my $d = &quot;$::prefix/etc/systemd/system/default.target&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> unlink($d);
+</I>&gt;<i> symlink($t, $d);
+</I>
+BTW, you could have come with better names instead of 't' &amp; 'd'....
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+ <B>Donald Stewart</B>
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+ <I>Mon Nov 7 16:32:13 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>On 7 November 2011 15:30, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: digikam &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 2.3.0 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 1.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Mon Nov &#160;7 16:08:20 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Graphics &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 54561297 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://www.digikam.org">http://www.digikam.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : A KDE photo management utility
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> DigiKam is an advanced digital photo management application for KDE.
+</I>&gt;<i> Photos can be collected into albums which can be sorted chronologically,
+</I>&gt;<i> by directory layout or by custom collections.
+</I>&gt;<i> DigiKam also provides tagging functionality. Images can be tagged despite of
+</I>&gt;<i> their position and digiKam provides fast and intuitive ways to browse them.
+</I>&gt;<i> User comments and customized meta-information added to images, are stored
+</I>&gt;<i> into a database and retrieved to make them available into the user interface.
+</I>&gt;<i> As soon as the camera is plugged in digikam allows you to preview, download,
+</I>&gt;<i> upload and delete images.
+</I>&gt;<i> Digikam also includes tools like Image Editor, to modify photos using plugins
+</I>&gt;<i> such as red eye correction or Gamma correction, exif management,...
+</I>&gt;<i> Light Table to make artistic photos and an external image editor such
+</I>&gt;<i> as Showfoto.
+</I>&gt;<i> Digikam also uses KIPI plugins (KDE Image Plugin Interface) to increase
+</I>&gt;<i> its functionalities.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1:2.3.0-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 164937
+</I>&gt;<i> - update file list
+</I>&gt;<i> - update file list
+</I>&gt;<i> - update file list
+</I>&gt;<i> - rediff libvkontake patch
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 2.3.0
+</I>
+Damn your fast......
+The build hasn't even finished locally yet....
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> This is bogus, you're including the chroot path in the target path...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which will obviously fail then (pointing to eg /mnt/etc/foobar
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instead of /etc/foobar)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh ouch! Good catch.
+</I>
+This is why peer reviewing is nice.
+Too bad we'ven't an install ml like back @mdv
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+<PRE>Le lundi 7 novembre 2011 15:32:13 Donald Stewart a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 7 November 2011 15:30, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1:2.3.0-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 164937
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - update file list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - update file list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - update file list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - rediff libvkontake patch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - new version 2.3.0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Damn your fast......
+</I>Fwang is like the wing \o/
+&gt;<i> The build hasn't even finished locally yet....
+</I>&amp; hopefully for you you started it in a iurt shell to avoid rebuilding package
+to fix the files list just in case ? :)
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 07/11/11 15:31 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 7 November 2011 13:58, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: drakx-kbd-mouse-x11/trunk/lib/Xconfig/various.pm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- drakx-kbd-mouse-x11/trunk/lib/Xconfig/various.pm 2011-11-07 12:48:52 UTC
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (rev 2133)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ drakx-kbd-mouse-x11/trunk/lib/Xconfig/various.pm 2011-11-07 12:58:09 UTC
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (rev 2134)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -227,8 +227,8 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -r $f or log::l(&quot;missing inittab!!!&quot;), return;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if ($o_runlevel) {
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> substInFile { s/^id:\d:initdefault:\s*$/id:$o_runlevel:initdefault:\n/ }
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $f if !$::testing;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - my $t = &quot;$::prefix/lib/systemd/system/runlevel$o_runlevel.target&quot;;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - if (!$::testing &amp;&amp; -f $t) {
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + my $t = &quot;/lib/systemd/system/runlevel$o_runlevel.target&quot;;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + if (!$::testing &amp;&amp; -f &quot;$::prefix$t&quot;) {
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my $d = &quot;$::prefix/etc/systemd/system/default.target&quot;;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unlink($d);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> symlink($t, $d);
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, you could have come with better names instead of 't' &amp; 'd'....
+</I>
+I was just following the &quot;convention&quot; that was in the surrounding code
+that used a single letter name for the file variable.
+
+As I don't code on this stuff (and certainly am not a perl coder) I
+didn't want to change things too much to suite my own preferences for
+coding style (which would have been to use more descriptive names) and
+followed what appeared to be the status quo.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3CCAPn0va6e8xGo5Q7RD6nx93k08zAGVUqzEXz37VryHK-0eczQbw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Damn your fast......
+</I>&gt;<i> Fwang is like the wing \o/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The build hasn't even finished locally yet....
+</I>&gt;<i> &amp; hopefully for you you started it in a iurt shell to avoid rebuilding package
+</I>&gt;<i> to fix the files list just in case ? :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i> Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+Yah, rsync is still creating my chroot mirror. So no, its not in a
+iurt - I'm still rebuiling my whole system, but almost done.
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+<PRE>We have conflicts:
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> Downloads]# urpmi --auto-up
+medium &quot;Core&quot; is up-to-date
+medium &quot;Non-Free&quot; is up-to-date
+medium &quot;Tainted&quot; is up-to-date
+medium &quot;Core 32&quot; is up-to-date
+To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
+ Package Version Release Arch
+(medium &quot;Core&quot;)
+ digikam 2.3.0 1.mga2 x86_64
+ kipi-plugins-batchprocess 2.3.0 1.mga2 x86_64
+ kipi-plugins-expoblending 2.3.0 1.mga2 x86_64
+ kipi-plugins-facebook 2.3.0 1.mga2 x86_64
+ kipi-plugins-flickr 2.3.0 1.mga2 x86_64
+ kipi-plugins-imageviewer 2.3.0 1.mga2 x86_64
+ kipi-plugins-kioexportimport 2.3.0 1.mga2 x86_64
+ kipi-plugins-metadataedit 2.3.0 1.mga2 x86_64
+ kipi-plugins-panorama 2.3.0 1.mga2 x86_64
+ kipi-plugins-picasa 2.3.0 1.mga2 x86_64
+ kipiplugin-photolayouts-editor 2.3.0 1.mga2 x86_64
+ lib64digikamdatabase2 2.3.0 1.mga2 x86_64
+ lib64kface1 2.3.0 1.mga2 x86_64
+ libkgeomap-common 2.3.0 1.mga2 noarch
+ showfoto 2.3.0 1.mga2 x86_64
+327KB of additional disk space will be used.
+28MB of packages will be retrieved.
+Proceed with the installation of the 15 packages? (Y/n)
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+installing kipi-plugins-metadataedit-2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+lib64digikamdatabase2-2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+kipi-plugins-flickr-2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+kipi-plugins-facebook-2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+libkgeomap-common-2.3.0-1.mga2.noarch.rpm
+lib64kface1-2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+kipi-plugins-picasa-2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+Preparing... #############################################
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+installing kipi-plugins-kioexportimport-2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+showfoto-2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+kipiplugin-photolayouts-editor-2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+kipi-plugins-batchprocess-2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+kipi-plugins-panorama-2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+kipi-plugins-imageviewer-2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+kipi-plugins-expoblending-2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm from
+/var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+Preparing... #############################################
+Installation failed: file
+/usr/share/icons/oxygen/128x128/apps/digikam.png from install of
+digikam-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+ file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/apps/digikam.png from
+install of digikam-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+ file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/22x22/apps/digikam.png from
+install of digikam-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+ file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/256x256/apps/digikam.png from
+install of digikam-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+ file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/32x32/apps/digikam.png from
+install of digikam-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+ file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/48x48/apps/digikam.png from
+install of digikam-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+ file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/64x64/apps/digikam.png from
+install of digikam-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+ file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/128x128/apps/showfoto.png from
+install of showfoto-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+ file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/apps/showfoto.png from
+install of showfoto-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+ file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/22x22/apps/showfoto.png from
+install of showfoto-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
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+install of showfoto-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+ file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/48x48/apps/showfoto.png from
+install of showfoto-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
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+install of showfoto-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> Downloads]#
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+<PRE>Am 05.11.2011 14:55, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 04 novembre 2011 &#224; 22:18 +0000, Barry Jackson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The BS recently (correctly) rejected a package which attempted to create
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a dir in /tmp.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This was not however found beforehand by rpmlint in the spec.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What test is done by the BS to catch this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why is this not included in rpmlint?
+</I>&gt;<i> Running rpmlint on the binary package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And rpmlint doesn't replace manual inspection.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Curious thing is, rpmlint didn't throw out this error when running
+it manually against the binary package, this was with cauldron
+and up-to-date rpmlint-mageia-policy (0.2.14-1.mga2).
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+What could be the reason for this?
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3C1471721.k19K6Ua7kd%40hatmehyt-cauldron.lan.littleboboy.net%3E"
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+We found a conflict regarding digikam packaging (yes i know you're the one in
+charge :p )
+
+Le lundi 7 novembre 2011 17:00:23 Donald Stewart a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> We have conflicts:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;<i> ############################################# Installation failed: file
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/icons/oxygen/128x128/apps/digikam.png from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> digikam-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/apps/digikam.png from
+</I>&gt;<i> install of digikam-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+</I>&gt;<i> package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+</I>[..]
+&gt;<i> file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/22x22/apps/showfoto.png from
+</I>&gt;<i> install of showfoto-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+</I>&gt;<i> package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+</I>[...]
+thoses files where initially available in usr/share/icons/hicolor/*/apps for
+digikam &lt; 2.3.0 &amp; available in /usr/share/icons/oxygen/*/apps on our oxygen-
+icon-theme.
+
+So should we drop thoses files from oxygen-icon-theme, patch digikam to put
+thoses files where they were installed initially ?
+
+Regards,
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+<PRE>On 7 November 2011 17:37, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello neoclust,
+</I>&gt;<i> We found a conflict regarding digikam packaging (yes i know you're the one in
+</I>&gt;<i> charge :p )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le lundi 7 novembre 2011 17:00:23 Donald Stewart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We have conflicts:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ############################################# Installation failed: &#160; &#160;file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/share/icons/oxygen/128x128/apps/digikam.png from install of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> digikam-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/apps/digikam.png from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install of digikam-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> [..]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/22x22/apps/showfoto.png from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install of showfoto-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> thoses files &#160;where initially available in usr/share/icons/hicolor/*/apps for
+</I>&gt;<i> digikam &lt; 2.3.0 &amp; available in /usr/share/icons/oxygen/*/apps on our oxygen-
+</I>&gt;<i> icon-theme.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So should we drop thoses files from oxygen-icon-theme, patch digikam to put
+</I>&gt;<i> thoses files where they were installed initially ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i> Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I would say that we go with the upstream way as it were, so patch
+digikam and drop them from oxygen.
+
+That way, if digikam change there icons, it will show up for us.
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+<PRE>In data luned&#236; 7 novembre 2011 11:49:06, Michael Scherer ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Then the question is &quot;why did we ship a buggy software in our release&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Did no one test the package to let important bug slip ?
+</I>Because shit happens :)
+
+The point is not why we released, but why not to update it.
+
+If we want a solid distro we should avoid those problems, but
+certainly we must provide updates if we have ;)
+
+imo... of course.
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+<PRE>Op zondag 06 november 2011 01:25:14 schreef John Balcaen:
+&gt;<i> 2011/11/5 Z&#233;zinho &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Em 06-11-2011 00:32, Juan Luis Baptiste escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Juancho maybe we should push it also on updates because according to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://kdenlive.org/discover/0.8.2">http://kdenlive.org/discover/0.8.2</A> there's a *lot* of crash fix&amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; others corruption problem .
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ....
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So it would be safe to push both to updates_testing, right ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think we should not provide a new version as update : it is in our
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; policy!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep that's our policy.
+</I>&gt;<i> However here this package is fixing *151* bugs &amp; providing only 6 new
+</I>&gt;<i> features.. in thoses 151 bugs there's several crash fixes , memory leaks
+</I>&gt;<i> fix &amp; corruption which can be a big problem for people using it.
+</I>
+i guess one could either ship this as update, or isolate the 151 bugs as
+patches and put them on the current package...
+
+the point of updates is to have fixing bugs and not introducing new bugs from
+the new features...
+
+i light of the idea behind the rules, i would say that this package could be a
+either an update or a backport... maybe a ruling for only this package is
+required to do so?
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+&gt;<i> I could try to port patches to mga1 ghostscript version
+</I>&gt;<i> and use old hplip, then (if fails) adding new hplip... but
+</I>&gt;<i> tomorrow.
+</I>
+Unfortunately it's not easy to port that patch I'm not sure I
+can use cauldron ghostscript without breaking anything...
+
+how can i check it?
+
+I could try to port only the cups part, but i'm not a ghostscript
+hacker so i could be wrong in something...
+
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+<PRE>Hi all!
+
+I've looked in our kernel-firmware package in core/release, and found
+firmware for several dozens of devices that are not OSI-free (as
+previously noted but too late for mga1).
+
+Shall I move the firmware files for the following hardware to
+kernel-firmware-extra, which is in nonfree/release?
+
+The most notable examples of affected firmware are
+- ATI/AMD Radeon cards (free driver)
+- Broadcom Tigon3 Gigabit Ethernet
+- Intel PRO/100 Ethernet
+- Matrox G200/G400/G550
+
+As a reminder:
+Debian has the non-free firmware in non-free section.
+Fedora has the non-free firmware in the main (and only) section.
+Ubuntu has the non-free firmware in the main section.
+According to our media policy, they belong to nonfree like in Debian.
+
+Full list below, as parsed from:
+<A HREF="http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/dwmw2/linux-firmware.git;a=blob;f=WHENCE;hb=HEAD">http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/dwmw2/linux-firmware.git;a=blob;f=WHENCE;hb=HEAD</A>
+
+&gt;<i> 3c359 - 3Com 3C359 Token Link Velocity XL adapter ()
+</I>&gt;<i> acenic -- Alteon AceNIC Gigabit Ethernet card (Unknown)
+</I>&gt;<i> advansys - AdvanSys SCSI (BSD, no source available.)
+</I>&gt;<i> ambassador -- Madge Ambassador (Collage PCI 155 Server) ATM NIC. (Allegedly GPLv2+, but no source visible. Marked:)
+</I>&gt;<i> cassini - Sun Cassini (Unknown)
+</I>&gt;<i> cpia2 -- cameras based on Vision's CPiA2 (Allegedly GPLv2+, but no source visible. Marked:)
+</I>&gt;<i> cxgb3 - Chelsio Terminator 3 1G/10G Ethernet adapter ()
+</I>&gt;<i> cxgb3 - Chelsio Terminator 3 1G/10G Ethernet adapter (GPLv2 or OpenIB.org BSD license, no source visible)
+</I>&gt;<i> dabusb -- Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB) Receiver for USB and Linux (Distributable)
+</I>&gt;<i> dvb-ttusb-budget -- Technotrend/Hauppauge Nova-USB devices (Unknown)
+</I>&gt;<i> e100 -- Intel PRO/100 Ethernet NIC (Unknown)
+</I>&gt;<i> emi26 -- EMI 2|6 USB Audio interface ()
+</I>&gt;<i> emi62 -- EMI 6|2m USB Audio interface ()
+</I>&gt;<i> ib_qib - QLogic Infiniband ()
+</I>&gt;<i> io_edgeport - USB Inside Out Edgeport Serial Driver (Allegedly GPLv2+, but no source visible. Marked:)
+</I>&gt;<i> io_ti - USB Inside Out Edgeport Serial Driver ()
+</I>&gt;<i> ip2 -- Computone IntelliPort Plus serial device (Unknown)
+</I>&gt;<i> kaweth -- USB KLSI KL5USB101-based Ethernet device (Unknown)
+</I>&gt;<i> keyspan -- USB Keyspan USA-xxx serial device ()
+</I>&gt;<i> mga - Matrox G200/G400/G550 ()
+</I>&gt;<i> myri_sbus - MyriCOM Gigabit Ethernet (Unknown)
+</I>&gt;<i> qla1280 - Qlogic QLA 1240/1x80/1x160 SCSI support (Allegedly GPLv2+, but no source visible. Marked:)
+</I>&gt;<i> qlogicpti - PTI Qlogic, ISP Driver (Unknown)
+</I>&gt;<i> r128 - ATI Rage 128 ()
+</I>&gt;<i> radeon - ATI Radeon ()
+</I>&gt;<i> smc91c92_cs - SMC 91Cxx PCMCIA (Allegedly GPL, but no source visible. Marked:)
+</I>&gt;<i> smctr -- SMC ISA/MCA Token Ring adapter ()
+</I>&gt;<i> snd-korg1212 -- Korg 1212 IO audio device (Unknown)
+</I>&gt;<i> snd-maestro3 -- ESS Allegro Maestro3 audio device (Unknown)
+</I>&gt;<i> snd-sb16-csp - Sound Blaster 16/AWE CSP support (Allegedly GPLv2+, but no source visible. Marked:)
+</I>&gt;<i> snd-wavefront - ISA WaveFront sound card (Allegedly GPLv2+, but no source visible.)
+</I>&gt;<i> snd-ymfpci -- Yamaha YMF724/740/744/754 audio devices (Unknown)
+</I>&gt;<i> starfire - Adaptec Starfire/DuraLAN support (Allegedly GPLv2, but no source visible.)
+</I>&gt;<i> tehuti - Tehuti Networks 10G Ethernet ()
+</I>&gt;<i> tg3 -- Broadcom Tigon3 based gigabit Ethernet cards ()
+</I>&gt;<i> ti_usb_3410_5052 -- Multi-Tech USB cell modems (&quot;all firmware components are redistributable in binary form&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> ti_usb_3410_5052 -- USB TI 3410/5052 serial device (Allegedly GPLv2+, but no source visible. Marked:)
+</I>&gt;<i> typhoon - 3cr990 series Typhoon ()
+</I>&gt;<i> vicam -- USB 3com HomeConnect (aka vicam) (Unknown)
+</I>&gt;<i> whiteheat -- USB ConnectTech WhiteHEAT serial device (Allegedly GPLv2, but no source visible. Marked:)
+</I>&gt;<i> yam - YAM driver for AX.25 ()
+</I>
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+&gt;<i> i light of the idea behind the rules, i would say that this package could
+</I>&gt;<i> be a either an update or a backport... maybe a ruling for only this
+</I>&gt;<i> package is required to do so?
+</I>
+6 features introduced in Kdenlive 0.8.2
+
+I don't like this idea, because a new version is also new features, and so new
+bugs. What if we end with a new outstanding bug that is more important than
+the old crashes? We will have to revert back, using an epoch.
+
+Yes we are waiting for backports for a long time, but it is upstream
+responsibility to maintain released versions. They don't do that, so we only
+should send new ( mlt + kdenlive + openshot) to backports.
+
+I feel I know this problem well, as I worked a lot with kdenlive :
+<A HREF="http://lachuteduneplume.free.fr/?Technical">http://lachuteduneplume.free.fr/?Technical</A>
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+If an update had bumped me to 0.6, my work would have been lost, this is NOT
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+&gt;<i> I've looked in our kernel-firmware package in core/release, and found
+</I>&gt;<i> firmware for several dozens of devices that are not OSI-free
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Shall I move the firmware files for the following hardware to
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-firmware-extra, which is in nonfree/release?
+</I>
+I vote yes.
+
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+&gt;<i> - ATI/AMD Radeon cards (free driver)
+</I>
+As supposed to a driver one have to pay for? :-)=
+(Or do you mean it is free as in Free Software?)
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+ <B>Jos&#233; Jorge</B>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 7 novembre 2011 23:26:19, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> The most notable examples of affected firmware are
+</I>&gt;<i> - ATI/AMD Radeon cards (free driver)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Broadcom Tigon3 Gigabit Ethernet
+</I>&gt;<i> - Intel PRO/100 Ethernet
+</I>&gt;<i> - Matrox G200/G400/G550
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I have used Broadcom Tigon3 and ATI/AMD Radeon x700 without firmware, and it
+works basicaly enough to allow users to decide to get the firmware by them
+selves.
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+So I'd say yes it can and should move to non-free, as it is even possible to
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+<PRE>Op maandag 07 november 2011 23:52:50 schreef Jos&#233; Jorge:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 7 novembre 2011 22:13:53, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i light of the idea behind the rules, i would say that this package could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be a either an update or a backport... maybe a ruling for only this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; package is required to do so?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 6 features introduced in Kdenlive 0.8.2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't like this idea, because a new version is also new features, and so
+</I>&gt;<i> new bugs. What if we end with a new outstanding bug that is more important
+</I>&gt;<i> than the old crashes? We will have to revert back, using an epoch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes we are waiting for backports for a long time, but it is upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> responsibility to maintain released versions. They don't do that, so we
+</I>&gt;<i> only should send new ( mlt + kdenlive + openshot) to backports.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I feel I know this problem well, as I worked a lot with kdenlive :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lachuteduneplume.free.fr/?Technical">http://lachuteduneplume.free.fr/?Technical</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If an update had bumped me to 0.6, my work would have been lost, this is
+</I>&gt;<i> NOT what I expect from an update.
+</I>
+my wife uses kdenlive, right now, you think that update would destroy her
+work?
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> If an update had bumped me to 0.6, my work would have been lost, this is
+</I>&gt;<i> NOT what I expect from an update.
+</I>
+perhaps if we can have QA test updatability of projects?
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+In the last round I just put exceptions into the spec files, but I decided this
+time to be a little more vocal upstream and hope they may finally fix it.
+I could put patches in since most are just typos in the files
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+Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 6 novembre 2011 20:52:02 Julien a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:38:36 +0100,
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>(..)
+</I>&gt;<i> I do &amp; fixed it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In fact some plugins of compiz-fusion-plugins-extra requires in order to
+</I>&gt;<i> build some libraries available in compiz package (composite, opengl &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> scale) &amp; others available in compiz-fusion-plugin-main ( text at least).
+</I>&gt;<i> This is due to a missing requires available on the -devel package for
+</I>&gt;<i> compiz- devel and compiz-fusion-plugins-main.
+</I>&gt;<i> I fixed them on svn &amp; push them again on core/updates_testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You did not encounter this error locally because you're probably not
+</I>&gt;<i> using a clean chroot to build this package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>
+Thank you !
+
+for the fix and the explanation :)
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+regards
+Julien
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+<PRE>Anssi Hannula skrev 8.11.2011 00:26:
+&gt;<i> Hi all!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've looked in our kernel-firmware package in core/release, and found
+</I>&gt;<i> firmware for several dozens of devices that are not OSI-free (as
+</I>&gt;<i> previously noted but too late for mga1).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shall I move the firmware files for the following hardware to
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-firmware-extra, which is in nonfree/release?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, please do.
+
+It's been on my TODO for a long time, but so far I havent had time to
+fix this, so if you have time, then go ahead.
+
+BTW, all ati/radeon firmwares should then be in radeon-firmware so they
+are all in one place.
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+
+On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:58:00 +0100
+Jos&#233; Jorge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 7 novembre 2011 23:26:19, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The most notable examples of affected firmware are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - ATI/AMD Radeon cards (free driver)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Broadcom Tigon3 Gigabit Ethernet
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Intel PRO/100 Ethernet
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Matrox G200/G400/G550
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have used Broadcom Tigon3 and ATI/AMD Radeon x700 without firmware, and it
+</I>&gt;<i> works basicaly enough to allow users to decide to get the firmware by them
+</I>&gt;<i> selves.
+</I>
+Really? I recall many problems running Mageia from the Dual CD on my x86-64
+with an ATI Mobility Radeon card, and my old (and now decommissioned) i586
+machine with an ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro card until I installed and configured
+the firmware from &quot;non-free&quot; and rebuilt the initrd.
+
+If you do decide on doing it, please make sure the framebuffer is not used for
+these cards.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I'd say yes it can and should move to non-free, as it is even possible to
+</I>&gt;<i> use this hardware without it.
+</I>
+
+
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:58:00 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Jos&#233; Jorge&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 7 novembre 2011 23:26:19, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The most notable examples of affected firmware are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - ATI/AMD Radeon cards (free driver)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Broadcom Tigon3 Gigabit Ethernet
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Intel PRO/100 Ethernet
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Matrox G200/G400/G550
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have used Broadcom Tigon3 and ATI/AMD Radeon x700 without firmware, and it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> works basicaly enough to allow users to decide to get the firmware by them
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> selves.
+</I>&gt;<i> Really? I recall many problems running Mageia from the Dual CD on my x86-64
+</I>&gt;<i> with an ATI Mobility Radeon card, and my old (and now decommissioned) i586
+</I>&gt;<i> machine with an ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro card until I installed and configured
+</I>&gt;<i> the firmware from &quot;non-free&quot; and rebuilt the initrd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you do decide on doing it, please make sure the framebuffer is not used for
+</I>&gt;<i> these cards.
+</I>+ !!!
+
+Same BIG problems here. DVD default installation is de facto BROKEN.
+Please don't use radeon fb driver.
+There were bugs on it on our bugzilla.
+&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>
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+<PRE>On 08.11.2011 00:56, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Monday 07 November 2011 23:26, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've looked in our kernel-firmware package in core/release, and found
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> firmware for several dozens of devices that are not OSI-free
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Shall I move the firmware files for the following hardware to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kernel-firmware-extra, which is in nonfree/release?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I vote yes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - ATI/AMD Radeon cards (free driver)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As supposed to a driver one have to pay for? :-)=
+</I>&gt;<i> (Or do you mean it is free as in Free Software?)
+</I>
+I mean the non-free firmware files which are needed by the free software
+driver (x11-driver-video-ati).
+
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+<PRE>Le mardi 8 novembre 2011 09:05:25, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Same BIG problems here. DVD default installation is de facto BROKEN.
+</I>&gt;<i> Please don't use radeon fb driver.
+</I>&gt;<i> There were bugs on it on our bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Which ones? On my hardware, missing the firmware does NOT disable free radeon
+driver : it only disables acceleration. I use this as a feature daily on a
+laptop which video memory is partly corrupted, so I am really sure that at
+least on pre 2xxx hardware it works (x300/x600/x700/x1300).
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+&gt;<i> hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I submitted by error broadcom-wl to core/updates_testing. Can a sysadmin
+</I>&gt;<i> please remove it.
+</I>
+On Cauldron or Mageia 1 ?
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier skrev 8.11.2011 15:01:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 08 Nov 2011, zezinho wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I submitted by error broadcom-wl to core/updates_testing. Can a sysadmin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> please remove it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Cauldron or Mageia 1 ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Removed from Mageia 1 core/updates_testing
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+--
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+<PRE>On 08.11.2011 14:59, Jos&#233; Jorge wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 8 novembre 2011 09:05:25, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Same BIG problems here. DVD default installation is de facto BROKEN.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please don't use radeon fb driver.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There were bugs on it on our bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which ones? On my hardware, missing the firmware does NOT disable free radeon
+</I>&gt;<i> driver : it only disables acceleration. I use this as a feature daily on a
+</I>&gt;<i> laptop which video memory is partly corrupted, so I am really sure that at
+</I>&gt;<i> least on pre 2xxx hardware it works (x300/x600/x700/x1300).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'm not commeting on anyone's specific issues, but just a reminder to
+all participants on this thread:
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+There are *two* sets of radeon firmware, both of which are needed for
+full operation.
+
+1. The &quot;regular&quot; firmware files (CP, ME, PFP,...) for all cards.
+2. The so-called RLC firmware, used by R600 and newer for IRQ handling.
+
+(I don't know the specific problems caused by missing one of these firmware)
+
+They are currently divided in two packages:
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+1. kernel-firmware
+ - regular firmware for R100-R700 series.
+ - in main section
+ - included in free medias and installer
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+2. radeon-firmware
+ - RLC firmware for R600 and newer
+ - regular firmware for newer cards, i.e. Evergreen and up
+ (i.e. those that are not in kernel-firmware)
+ - in nonfree section
+ - not in free medias/installer
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+All of the files will now be moved to the radeon-firmware package, into
+nonfree section.
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+<PRE>On 08.11.2011 00:58, Jos&#233; Jorge wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 7 novembre 2011 23:26:19, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The most notable examples of affected firmware are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - ATI/AMD Radeon cards (free driver)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Broadcom Tigon3 Gigabit Ethernet
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Intel PRO/100 Ethernet
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Matrox G200/G400/G550
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have used Broadcom Tigon3 and ATI/AMD Radeon x700 without firmware, and it
+</I>&gt;<i> works basicaly enough to allow users to decide to get the firmware by them
+</I>&gt;<i> selves.
+</I>
+So Tigon3 works to some degree without firmware?
+
+That's good to hear. I don't have my tg3 system in use anymore.
+
+&gt;<i> So I'd say yes it can and should move to non-free, as it is even possible to
+</I>&gt;<i> use this hardware without it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>On 08.11.2011 07:58, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 8.11.2011 00:26:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've looked in our kernel-firmware package in core/release, and found
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> firmware for several dozens of devices that are not OSI-free (as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> previously noted but too late for mga1).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Shall I move the firmware files for the following hardware to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kernel-firmware-extra, which is in nonfree/release?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, please do.
+</I>
+OK.
+
+&gt;<i> It's been on my TODO for a long time, but so far I havent had time to
+</I>&gt;<i> fix this, so if you have time, then go ahead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, all ati/radeon firmwares should then be in radeon-firmware so they
+</I>&gt;<i> are all in one place.
+</I>
+OK, will do that.
+
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+<PRE>On 08.11.2011 13:59, Jos&#233; Jorge wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 8 novembre 2011 09:05:25, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Same BIG problems here. DVD default installation is de facto BROKEN.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please don't use radeon fb driver.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There were bugs on it on our bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which ones? On my hardware, missing the firmware does NOT disable free radeon
+</I>&gt;<i> driver : it only disables acceleration. I use this as a feature daily on a
+</I>&gt;<i> laptop which video memory is partly corrupted, so I am really sure that at
+</I>&gt;<i> least on pre 2xxx hardware it works (x300/x600/x700/x1300).
+</I><A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1884">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1884</A>
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+I can confirm that with non-free packages the boot works, without it
+Mageia isn't bootable (with the radeon framebuffer) at all.
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+<PRE>Kamil Rytarowski skrev 8.11.2011 18:46:
+&gt;<i> On 08.11.2011 13:59, Jos&#233; Jorge wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 8 novembre 2011 09:05:25, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Same BIG problems here. DVD default installation is de facto BROKEN.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please don't use radeon fb driver.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There were bugs on it on our bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which ones? On my hardware, missing the firmware does NOT disable free radeon
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> driver : it only disables acceleration. I use this as a feature daily on a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> laptop which video memory is partly corrupted, so I am really sure that at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> least on pre 2xxx hardware it works (x300/x600/x700/x1300).
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1884">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1884</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can confirm that with non-free packages the boot works, without it
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia isn't bootable (with the radeon framebuffer) at all.
+</I>
+That is not the framebuffer not working, its the kernel modesetting part
+that fails.
+
+I wonder if we could get the code in initrd to check for missing
+firmware, and if so switch to nomodeset boot.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+<PRE>2011/11/7 Jos&#233; Jorge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 7 novembre 2011 22:13:53, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 6 features introduced in Kdenlive 0.8.2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't like this idea, because a new version is also new features, and so
+</I>&gt;<i> new bugs. What if we end with a new outstanding bug that is more important
+</I>&gt;<i> than the old crashes? We will have to revert back, using an epoch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You are only speculating of possible bugs that could appear with these
+new features, but we are talking about 151 *confirmed* bugs, from
+which 44 are crashes that also for sure, will make someone loose their
+work and make him angry at us. Also those 6 new features seem minor
+and more of a cosmetic nature for most of them, I don't think they can
+introduce any serious bug like a crash.
+
+&gt;<i> Yes we are waiting for backports for a long time, but it is upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> responsibility to maintain released versions. They don't do that, so we only
+</I>&gt;<i> should send new ( mlt + kdenlive + openshot) to backports.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Even so backports were open I think that because of the huge amount of
+bug fixes this version should be push as an update instead of a
+backport.
+
+&gt;<i> I feel I know this problem well, as I worked a lot with kdenlive :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lachuteduneplume.free.fr/?Technical">http://lachuteduneplume.free.fr/?Technical</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If an update had bumped me to 0.6, my work would have been lost, this is NOT
+</I>&gt;<i> what I expect from an update.
+</I>
+Of course no one expects to loose work, but in your same line of
+thought, actual users of our version of kdenlive also don't expect to
+loose their work because of a crash if there's a fix available and we
+aren't providing it.
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+I've just pushed bootchart to the build system.
+
+If you want to get a nice log of how things work, just install
+bootchart-daemon and then boot with the kernel command line:
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+init=/sbin/bootchartd
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+If you normally need init=/bin/systemd, then use instead:
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+init=/sbin/bootchartd bootchart_init=/bin/systemd
+
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+Once you've booted, you can analyse the chart info via running
+&quot;bootchart&quot;. This will create a bootchart.png file which we can then use
+to help diagnose problems etc.
+
+At the moment on my system, waiting for network-up is causing some
+slowdowns for example. I don't need the network to be up to be able to
+login (on my system) and thus I'd rather display gdm sooner rather than
+wait. Useful stuff.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 08/11/11 23:48 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've just pushed bootchart to the build system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to get a nice log of how things work, just install
+</I>&gt;<i> bootchart-daemon and then boot with the kernel command line:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> init=/sbin/bootchartd
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you normally need init=/bin/systemd, then use instead:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> init=/sbin/bootchartd bootchart_init=/bin/systemd
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once you've booted, you can analyse the chart info via running
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;bootchart&quot;. This will create a bootchart.png file which we can then use
+</I>&gt;<i> to help diagnose problems etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At the moment on my system, waiting for network-up is causing some
+</I>&gt;<i> slowdowns for example. I don't need the network to be up to be able to
+</I>&gt;<i> login (on my system) and thus I'd rather display gdm sooner rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> wait. Useful stuff.
+</I>
+Incidentally, this will only work for stuff that is done post initrd.
+There is also a dracut module to enable bootchart inside the initrd, but
+I've not played with that nor know how to enable it (if you even need to
+enable it - perhaps it just works - like I say, I've not looked)
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> That is not the framebuffer not working, its the kernel modesetting
+</I>&gt;<i> part that fails.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder if we could get the code in initrd to check for missing
+</I>&gt;<i> firmware, and if so switch to nomodeset boot.
+</I>Thank you for the response. The easiest workaround is to use vesa fb
+driver - and this is the way I was able to install Mageia.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On 07.11.2011 16:30, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 7 November 2011 12:36, Kamil Rytarowski&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We have in Mageia concurrently ispell, aspell, myspell and hunspell + voikko
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and hspell.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Let make order.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is my scratch of the project, read for more info
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Proposals">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Proposals</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tell me what do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's go the Fedora/Ubuntu way and only keep hunspell
+</I>&gt;<i> Btw ispell should never have been merged back.
+</I>&gt;<i> Guess I should have killed it at some point @mdv ...
+</I>Thank you for your comments.
+
+Are there any other voices, suggestions or comments?
+
+I think to start the project just after the first alpha.
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+<PRE>On 07.11.2011 13:33, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 7 novembre 2011 12:36:07, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is my scratch of the project, read for more info
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Proposals">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Proposals</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Great job!
+</I>&gt;<i> IMO, this looks like the File Hierarchical Structure 17 years ago.
+</I>&gt;<i> Unix systems were all a little different and the use of /etc, /var/, udr/...
+</I>&gt;<i> was not standardized.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is necessary to have a written standard for spell-checkers:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1- interfaces
+</I>&gt;<i> 2- data
+</I>&gt;<i> 3- a repository for the datas (contributors welcome)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The independance of datas, software and interfaces should be great to preserve
+</I>&gt;<i> the future.
+</I>Yes.
+In my opinion we should guarantee and fix up a room for possible future
+spell checker(s).
+
+I dislike an idea of mainaing concurrently
+ispell/aspell/myspell/hunspell + voikko and hspell. In Mageia (skipping
+Perl) there are slighty more then 100 packages / maintainer.Maintaining
+each one of these spell checkers + its dictionaries needs statistically
+at least 1 full time maintainer.
+&gt;<i> Ten years ago I did this proposal, more than a spell-checker:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pjarillon.free.fr/eurolang/cetral-propos.en.html">http://pjarillon.free.fr/eurolang/cetral-propos.en.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pjarillon.free.fr/eurolang/cetral-propos.fr.html">http://pjarillon.free.fr/eurolang/cetral-propos.fr.html</A>
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+<PRE>On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 3:36 AM, Kamil Rytarowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> This is my scratch of the project, read for more info
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Proposals">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Proposals</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tell me what do you think?
+</I>
+On the Overview wiki, why is ibus-m17n listed as part of ispell? That
+is part of the ibus IME, right? That is not part of ispell.
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+&gt;<i> If you want to get a nice log of how things work, just install
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+<PRE>On 09.11.2011 09:45, peter f miller wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 3:36 AM, Kamil Rytarowski&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is my scratch of the project, read for more info
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Overview</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Proposals">http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Proposals</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tell me what do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> On the Overview wiki, why is ibus-m17n listed as part of ispell? That
+</I>&gt;<i> is part of the ibus IME, right? That is not part of ispell.
+</I>It's grep over our svn repo:
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+%post_ibus_register_engine m17n:en:ispell en
+%preun_ibus_unregister_engine m17n:en:ispell
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+I've check every single package at this *research* stage what does what.
+I believe if we want to really remove for example ispell then we should
+clean the whole repo as much as it's needed. If ispell is absent in Mga1
+and Mdv2010 will lost its support then why for example to provide it by
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+after updating cairo-dock and -plugins to the latest version,
+it has come to my attention that cairo-dock has been removed
+from Fedora due to patent issues, as can be seen here:
+<A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cairo-dock.git;a=blob;f=dead.package;h=2f21e743a00cfe3accc33b8d5c974f2572bcdfc5;hb=9e2eb0b9936f326a454f6104a81c6061a5528625">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cairo-dock.git;a=blob;f=dead.package;h=2f21e743a00cfe3accc33b8d5c974f2572bcdfc5;hb=9e2eb0b9936f326a454f6104a81c6061a5528625</A>
+I've found no further explanation about this so far.
+
+The corresponding patent (from Apple) should be this one:
+<A HREF="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=7,434,177.PN.&amp;OS=PN/7,434,177&amp;RS=PN/7,434,177">http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=7,434,177.PN.&amp;OS=PN/7,434,177&amp;RS=PN/7,434,177</A>
+IMHO this Apple patent should not have been issued because of prior art:
+<A HREF="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Dock">http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Dock</A> but currently it's effective and we need to
+respect it.
+
+A related discussions about cairo-dock and trademarks of
+some of the included icons in cairo-dock-plugins can be seen here:
+<A HREF="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2009-January/000505.html">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2009-January/000505.html</A>
+To be honest, i don't think this was appropriate as those icons
+clearly seem to come from the game pingus, which is FL/OSS.
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+So i request cairo-dock and cairo-dock-plugins and cairo-dock-themes
+be moved to tainted. Any objections?
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+<PRE>On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> after updating cairo-dock and -plugins to the latest version,
+</I>&gt;<i> it has come to my attention that cairo-dock has been removed
+</I>&gt;<i> from Fedora due to patent issues, as can be seen here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cairo-dock.git;a=blob;f=dead.package;h=2f21e743a00cfe3accc33b8d5c974f2572bcdfc5;hb=9e2eb0b9936f326a454f6104a81c6061a5528625">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cairo-dock.git;a=blob;f=dead.package;h=2f21e743a00cfe3accc33b8d5c974f2572bcdfc5;hb=9e2eb0b9936f326a454f6104a81c6061a5528625</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've found no further explanation about this so far.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The corresponding patent (from Apple) should be this one:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=7,434,177.PN.&amp;OS=PN/7,434,177&amp;RS=PN/7,434,177">http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=7,434,177.PN.&amp;OS=PN/7,434,177&amp;RS=PN/7,434,177</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO this Apple patent should not have been issued because of prior art:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Dock">http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Dock</A> but currently it's effective and we need
+</I>&gt;<i> to respect it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A related discussions about cairo-dock and trademarks of
+</I>&gt;<i> some of the included icons in cairo-dock-plugins can be seen here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2009-January/000505.html">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2009-January/000505.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> To be honest, i don't think this was appropriate as those icons
+</I>&gt;<i> clearly seem to come from the game pingus, which is FL/OSS.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So i request cairo-dock and cairo-dock-plugins and cairo-dock-themes
+</I>&gt;<i> be moved to tainted. Any objections?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+seems the saner option, so i vote for this.
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+<PRE>In data luned&#236; 7 novembre 2011 22:13:53, Maarten Vanraes ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> i guess one could either ship this as update, or isolate the 151 bugs as
+</I>&gt;<i> patches and put them on the current package...
+</I>I believe that is almost impossible.
+
+I'd like to recall that not all the packagers are also developers
+and making a thing like that requires a good developer
+skill that is not really requested to a distro package maintainer.
+
+I remember time in which lmontel patched kde to get a lot of fixings...
+I seem to remember also that after him the best way was to update
+kde directly instead so, IMO we can decide case by case,
+but the right way is to fix the most bugs we can (expecially ours, but
+also upstream when ever we can do that).
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+<PRE>In data luned&#236; 7 novembre 2011 23:52:50, Jos&#233; Jorge ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> I don't like this idea, because a new version is also new features, and so
+</I>&gt;<i> new bugs. What if we end with a new outstanding bug that is more important
+</I>&gt;<i> than the old crashes? We will have to revert back, using an epoch.
+</I>Naah, tests should avoid that in the same way we did in cauldron... so
+big issues should come out soon and stop the update/ugrade of a package.
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09kdebase4-workspace-4.7.3-2.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3C1702475.PdcAAcVzTH%40hatmehyt-cauldron.lan.littleboboy.net%3E"
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 9 novembre 2011 16:03:18 Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Name : kdebase4-workspace Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 2:4.7.3-2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 165919
+</I>&gt;<i> - Switch kde-wallpappers to suggests instead of requires to get some space
+</I>&gt;<i> on the kde4' live-cd
+</I>Just to take your attention on this change.
+Swiching from Requires to a Suggests will make urpmi to mark kde-wallpappers
+as an orphan.
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+Regards,
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+--
+Balcaen John
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+&gt;<i> At the moment on my system, waiting for network-up is causing some
+</I>&gt;<i> slowdowns for example. I don't need the network to be up to be able to
+</I>&gt;<i> login (on my system) and thus I'd rather display gdm sooner rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> wait. Useful stuff.
+</I>
+The network-up service is normally not required for dm launch.
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+It is only needed with network login, which enables the network-auth
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+as Anssi made me aware msec currently has a Requires on
+sendmail-command for cauldron, this was the outcome of the
+last discussion about msec / MTA.
+However, currently in /etc/urpmi/prefer.vendor.list postfix
+is preferred as sendmail-command and mail-server.
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+Anssi's vote and mine is to replace preference on postfix
+with dma to ensure users get dma installed with the
+upgrade from Mageia 1 -&gt; 2 and not postfix which needs
+configuration.
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+Those who want to use postfix will surely not use the virtual
+provides for sendmail-command or mail-server and directly
+install postfix.
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+Any comments or objections?
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+Kind Regards
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 9 novembre 2011 19:38:07 Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> However, currently in /etc/urpmi/prefer.vendor.list postfix
+</I>&gt;<i> is preferred as sendmail-command and mail-server.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi's vote and mine is to replace preference on postfix
+</I>&gt;<i> with dma to ensure users get dma installed with the
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade from Mageia 1 -&gt; 2 and not postfix which needs
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration.
+</I>[...]
+
+I vote for dma.
+
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 19:38 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> as Anssi made me aware msec currently has a Requires on
+</I>&gt;<i> sendmail-command for cauldron, this was the outcome of the
+</I>&gt;<i> last discussion about msec / MTA.
+</I>&gt;<i> However, currently in /etc/urpmi/prefer.vendor.list postfix
+</I>&gt;<i> is preferred as sendmail-command and mail-server.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi's vote and mine is to replace preference on postfix
+</I>&gt;<i> with dma to ensure users get dma installed with the
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade from Mageia 1 -&gt; 2 and not postfix which needs
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration.
+</I>
+What configuration ?
+AFAIK, Postfix work out of the box for the use case of msec/cron, mail
+sent to root are delivered to root mailbox, unless someone added a
+aliase.
+
+&gt;<i>From a quick look at dma, it behave the same ( ie, it take aliase from
+</I>the same file, thus requiring the same configuration, or needing the
+same declaration of a smart host ).
+
+Wouldn't it be better to send everything to /var/log if no mta are
+found ?
+( ie, do something like that :
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA</A> ). We have the proper
+version of cronie ( I hope ), so what prevent us ?
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>Le lundi 07 novembre 2011 &#224; 19:39 +0100, Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> In data luned&#236; 7 novembre 2011 11:49:06, Michael Scherer ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Then the question is &quot;why did we ship a buggy software in our release&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Did no one test the package to let important bug slip ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Because shit happens :)
+</I>
+If shit happen, then 151 bugs is IMHO a rather serious diarrhea.
+
+&gt;<i> The point is not why we released, but why not to update it.
+</I>
+My point is &quot;why do we do the work twice&quot;.
+
+In case people didn't notice, there was a thread about &quot;there is too
+much update&quot;. Some stuff are unavoidable, like security updates.
+
+Some others could be avoided. And shipping a update is more costly ( it
+involve more people and a more complex process ) than shiping a proper
+package in the first place.
+
+So the best way to ensure less updates is to find why we do need to
+update in the first place. IE, how could have we prevented it.
+
+And if we were not able to detect regression in the first place, how can
+we make sure that the update will fix something ?
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 14:14 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> after updating cairo-dock and -plugins to the latest version,
+</I>&gt;<i> it has come to my attention that cairo-dock has been removed
+</I>&gt;<i> from Fedora due to patent issues, as can be seen here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cairo-dock.git;a=blob;f=dead.package;h=2f21e743a00cfe3accc33b8d5c974f2572bcdfc5;hb=9e2eb0b9936f326a454f6104a81c6061a5528625">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cairo-dock.git;a=blob;f=dead.package;h=2f21e743a00cfe3accc33b8d5c974f2572bcdfc5;hb=9e2eb0b9936f326a454f6104a81c6061a5528625</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've found no further explanation about this so far.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The corresponding patent (from Apple) should be this one:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=7,434,177.PN.&amp;OS=PN/7,434,177&amp;RS=PN/7,434,177">http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=7,434,177.PN.&amp;OS=PN/7,434,177&amp;RS=PN/7,434,177</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO this Apple patent should not have been issued because of prior art:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Dock">http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Dock</A> but currently it's effective and we need to
+</I>&gt;<i> respect it.
+</I>
+The base claim is indeed weak.
+
+&gt;<i> A related discussions about cairo-dock and trademarks of
+</I>&gt;<i> some of the included icons in cairo-dock-plugins can be seen here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2009-January/000505.html">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2009-January/000505.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> To be honest, i don't think this was appropriate as those icons
+</I>&gt;<i> clearly seem to come from the game pingus, which is FL/OSS.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So i request cairo-dock and cairo-dock-plugins and cairo-dock-themes
+</I>&gt;<i> be moved to tainted. Any objections?
+</I>
+Yes, I do have one, I think we agreed that tainted was for enforced
+patents, or those that would likely be enforced. While the definition is
+fuzzy, I doubt that the patent will be enforced, mainly because it is
+weak,
+
+Red Hat lawyers are right for a US company, but we are not in the same
+position as Red Hat ( ie, we are not in the US, we are not a company
+with several millions on the bank account and no one will ever attack us
+because we are competing with them ).
+
+For the icons, what is the problem exactly, ie what icons are
+copyrighted ?
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+ <B>Florian Hubold</B>
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+<PRE>Am 09.11.2011 20:48, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 19:38 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as Anssi made me aware msec currently has a Requires on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sendmail-command for cauldron, this was the outcome of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> last discussion about msec / MTA.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, currently in /etc/urpmi/prefer.vendor.list postfix
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is preferred as sendmail-command and mail-server.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi's vote and mine is to replace preference on postfix
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with dma to ensure users get dma installed with the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upgrade from Mageia 1 -&gt; 2 and not postfix which needs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i> What configuration ?
+</I>&gt;<i> AFAIK, Postfix work out of the box for the use case of msec/cron, mail
+</I>&gt;<i> sent to root are delivered to root mailbox, unless someone added a
+</I>&gt;<i> aliase.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; From a quick look at dma, it behave the same ( ie, it take aliase from
+</I>&gt;<i> the same file, thus requiring the same configuration, or needing the
+</I>&gt;<i> same declaration of a smart host ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be better to send everything to /var/log if no mta are
+</I>&gt;<i> found ?
+</I>&gt;<i> ( ie, do something like that :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA</A> ). We have the proper
+</I>&gt;<i> version of cronie ( I hope ), so what prevent us ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>msec already sends everything also to /var/log, which was disregarded
+in last discussion because normal users don't look there and it
+slowly adds up on diskspace.
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+<PRE>Am 09.11.2011 21:15, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 14:14 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> after updating cairo-dock and -plugins to the latest version,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it has come to my attention that cairo-dock has been removed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from Fedora due to patent issues, as can be seen here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cairo-dock.git;a=blob;f=dead.package;h=2f21e743a00cfe3accc33b8d5c974f2572bcdfc5;hb=9e2eb0b9936f326a454f6104a81c6061a5528625">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cairo-dock.git;a=blob;f=dead.package;h=2f21e743a00cfe3accc33b8d5c974f2572bcdfc5;hb=9e2eb0b9936f326a454f6104a81c6061a5528625</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've found no further explanation about this so far.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The corresponding patent (from Apple) should be this one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=7,434,177.PN.&amp;OS=PN/7,434,177&amp;RS=PN/7,434,177">http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=7,434,177.PN.&amp;OS=PN/7,434,177&amp;RS=PN/7,434,177</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IMHO this Apple patent should not have been issued because of prior art:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Dock">http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Dock</A> but currently it's effective and we need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> respect it.
+</I>&gt;<i> The base claim is indeed weak.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A related discussions about cairo-dock and trademarks of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some of the included icons in cairo-dock-plugins can be seen here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2009-January/000505.html">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2009-January/000505.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To be honest, i don't think this was appropriate as those icons
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> clearly seem to come from the game pingus, which is FL/OSS.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So i request cairo-dock and cairo-dock-plugins and cairo-dock-themes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be moved to tainted. Any objections?
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I do have one, I think we agreed that tainted was for enforced
+</I>&gt;<i> patents, or those that would likely be enforced. While the definition is
+</I>&gt;<i> fuzzy, I doubt that the patent will be enforced, mainly because it is
+</I>&gt;<i> weak,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Red Hat lawyers are right for a US company, but we are not in the same
+</I>&gt;<i> position as Red Hat ( ie, we are not in the US, we are not a company
+</I>&gt;<i> with several millions on the bank account and no one will ever attack us
+</I>&gt;<i> because we are competing with them ).
+</I>Wel, i don't understand this. Last time we talked about patents
+in the nonfree+tainted discussions, concensus seemed to be that
+even if patents don't apply here (europe), we need to respect them.
+So do we or don't we?
+
+IIUC you suggest that cairo-dock* stays where it is?
+&gt;<i> For the icons, what is the problem exactly, ie what icons are
+</I>&gt;<i> copyrighted ?
+</I>Only linked the ml thread for the icons for reference. It is not said
+which are trademarked (and more important by whom) i guess it could
+be seen as a derivated work to the original lemmings game from DMA design.
+But as the game pingus is existing, and has not been sued,
+i don't think they have a valid point there.
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+ <B>Anssi Hannula</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5BRFC%5D%20prefer%20dma%20rather%20than%20postfix%20in%0A%20prefer.vendor.list%20for%20msec%20mga1%20-%3E%20mga2%20upgrade&In-Reply-To=%3C4EBAE565.5080803%40mageia.org%3E"
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+<PRE>On 09.11.2011 22:34, Florian Hubold wrote:
+&gt;<i> Am 09.11.2011 20:48, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 19:38 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as Anssi made me aware msec currently has a Requires on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sendmail-command for cauldron, this was the outcome of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> last discussion about msec / MTA.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, currently in /etc/urpmi/prefer.vendor.list postfix
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is preferred as sendmail-command and mail-server.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi's vote and mine is to replace preference on postfix
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with dma to ensure users get dma installed with the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upgrade from Mageia 1 -&gt; 2 and not postfix which needs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> configuration.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What configuration ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> AFAIK, Postfix work out of the box for the use case of msec/cron, mail
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sent to root are delivered to root mailbox, unless someone added a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> aliase.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; From a quick look at dma, it behave the same ( ie, it take aliase from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the same file, thus requiring the same configuration, or needing the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> same declaration of a smart host ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be better to send everything to /var/log if no mta are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> found ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ( ie, do something like that :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA</A> ). We have the proper
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version of cronie ( I hope ), so what prevent us ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> msec already sends everything also to /var/log, which was disregarded
+</I>&gt;<i> in last discussion because normal users don't look there and it
+</I>&gt;<i> slowly adds up on diskspace.
+</I>
+Normal users also do not read local mailboxes and the mailboxes slowly
+add up on diskspace.
+
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+ <B>Florian Hubold</B>
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+<PRE>Am 09.11.2011 21:41, schrieb Anssi Hannula:
+&gt;<i> On 09.11.2011 22:34, Florian Hubold wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 09.11.2011 20:48, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 19:38 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as Anssi made me aware msec currently has a Requires on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sendmail-command for cauldron, this was the outcome of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> last discussion about msec / MTA.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, currently in /etc/urpmi/prefer.vendor.list postfix
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is preferred as sendmail-command and mail-server.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi's vote and mine is to replace preference on postfix
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with dma to ensure users get dma installed with the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upgrade from Mageia 1 -&gt; 2 and not postfix which needs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> configuration.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What configuration ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> AFAIK, Postfix work out of the box for the use case of msec/cron, mail
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sent to root are delivered to root mailbox, unless someone added a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> aliase.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> From a quick look at dma, it behave the same ( ie, it take aliase from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the same file, thus requiring the same configuration, or needing the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> same declaration of a smart host ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be better to send everything to /var/log if no mta are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> found ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ( ie, do something like that :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA</A> ). We have the proper
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version of cronie ( I hope ), so what prevent us ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> msec already sends everything also to /var/log, which was disregarded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in last discussion because normal users don't look there and it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> slowly adds up on diskspace.
+</I>&gt;<i> Normal users also do not read local mailboxes and the mailboxes slowly
+</I>&gt;<i> add up on diskspace.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, normal users requested this.
+
+Still this doesn't answer what to do about the migration mga1-&gt;2,
+which you asked about on IRC. So what do we do about it?
+
+Your opinion seems we should remove sendmail-command
+Require from msec, and let it only write to /var/log/security
+and not do anything as it was before?
+
+Then i wonder why we had the discussion about msec
+and MTA in the first place.
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+<PRE>Le Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:38:07 +0100,
+Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> as Anssi made me aware msec currently has a Requires on
+</I>&gt;<i> sendmail-command for cauldron, this was the outcome of the
+</I>&gt;<i> last discussion about msec / MTA.
+</I>&gt;<i> However, currently in /etc/urpmi/prefer.vendor.list postfix
+</I>&gt;<i> is preferred as sendmail-command and mail-server.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi's vote and mine is to replace preference on postfix
+</I>&gt;<i> with dma to ensure users get dma installed with the
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade from Mageia 1 -&gt; 2 and not postfix which needs
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Those who want to use postfix will surely not use the virtual
+</I>&gt;<i> provides for sendmail-command or mail-server and directly
+</I>&gt;<i> install postfix.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any comments or objections?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Kind Regards
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+I would prefer to not send mail by default (Michael Scherer's
+proposition) but if it's not possible, I vote for dma.
+
+regards
+Julien
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 22:41 +0200, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 09.11.2011 22:34, Florian Hubold wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Am 09.11.2011 20:48, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 19:38 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; as Anssi made me aware msec currently has a Requires on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; sendmail-command for cauldron, this was the outcome of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; last discussion about msec / MTA.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; However, currently in /etc/urpmi/prefer.vendor.list postfix
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; is preferred as sendmail-command and mail-server.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Anssi's vote and mine is to replace preference on postfix
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; with dma to ensure users get dma installed with the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; upgrade from Mageia 1 -&gt; 2 and not postfix which needs
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; What configuration ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; AFAIK, Postfix work out of the box for the use case of msec/cron, mail
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; sent to root are delivered to root mailbox, unless someone added a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; aliase.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; From a quick look at dma, it behave the same ( ie, it take aliase from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the same file, thus requiring the same configuration, or needing the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; same declaration of a smart host ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Wouldn't it be better to send everything to /var/log if no mta are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; found ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ( ie, do something like that :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA</A> ). We have the proper
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; version of cronie ( I hope ), so what prevent us ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; msec already sends everything also to /var/log, which was disregarded
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in last discussion because normal users don't look there and it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; slowly adds up on diskspace.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Normal users also do not read local mailboxes and the mailboxes slowly
+</I>&gt;<i> add up on diskspace.
+</I>
+And log files can be rotated, unlike mailboxes. Maybe the log are not
+rotated on the other hand, so that's a bug that could/should be fixed,
+if that's the case.
+
+What we could do is either :
+- install nothing by default
+- install postfix/dma/whatever by a drakwizard if/when user give a email
+for msec alert.
+
+Maybe another solution would be to make msec smarter and not spew 100
+lines per hours. I am all for msec but as I say often, this look like a
+Homer Simpson invention.
+
+WDYT ?
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 21:40 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 09.11.2011 21:15, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 14:14 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; after updating cairo-dock and -plugins to the latest version,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; it has come to my attention that cairo-dock has been removed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; from Fedora due to patent issues, as can be seen here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cairo-dock.git;a=blob;f=dead.package;h=2f21e743a00cfe3accc33b8d5c974f2572bcdfc5;hb=9e2eb0b9936f326a454f6104a81c6061a5528625">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cairo-dock.git;a=blob;f=dead.package;h=2f21e743a00cfe3accc33b8d5c974f2572bcdfc5;hb=9e2eb0b9936f326a454f6104a81c6061a5528625</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I've found no further explanation about this so far.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The corresponding patent (from Apple) should be this one:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=7,434,177.PN.&amp;OS=PN/7,434,177&amp;RS=PN/7,434,177">http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=7,434,177.PN.&amp;OS=PN/7,434,177&amp;RS=PN/7,434,177</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; IMHO this Apple patent should not have been issued because of prior art:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Dock">http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Dock</A> but currently it's effective and we need to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; respect it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The base claim is indeed weak.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; A related discussions about cairo-dock and trademarks of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; some of the included icons in cairo-dock-plugins can be seen here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2009-January/000505.html">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2009-January/000505.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; To be honest, i don't think this was appropriate as those icons
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; clearly seem to come from the game pingus, which is FL/OSS.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So i request cairo-dock and cairo-dock-plugins and cairo-dock-themes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; be moved to tainted. Any objections?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, I do have one, I think we agreed that tainted was for enforced
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; patents, or those that would likely be enforced. While the definition is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fuzzy, I doubt that the patent will be enforced, mainly because it is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; weak,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Red Hat lawyers are right for a US company, but we are not in the same
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; position as Red Hat ( ie, we are not in the US, we are not a company
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with several millions on the bank account and no one will ever attack us
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; because we are competing with them ).
+</I>&gt;<i> Wel, i don't understand this. Last time we talked about patents
+</I>&gt;<i> in the nonfree+tainted discussions, concensus seemed to be that
+</I>&gt;<i> even if patents don't apply here (europe), we need to respect them.
+</I>&gt;<i> So do we or don't we?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIUC you suggest that cairo-dock* stays where it is?
+</I>
+Well, I think we said we would place packages with various problem
+related to the law, and that could be patent or something else.
+&quot;
+ stuff we think we can redistribute, but that may have some
+ patent issues or other restrictions in other countries
+&quot;
+
+The whole point is what is exactly &quot;patent issue&quot;.
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+One definition would be &quot;someone found a patent related, that is
+currently valid&quot;. That's one possibility.
+
+Another one would be &quot;we have heard of a significant problem with
+something&quot;, and that would be my position ( which is annoying, because
+that's not a real good set of criteria to decide, and that just lack
+precisions, too fuzzy ).
+
+On one hand, video codecs are a patent minefield ( mp3 story 10 years
+ago, the story of the mpeg la patent pool bac in february this year, etc
+).
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+On the other hand, interfaces didn't see much patents attack, from what
+I know ( besides the whole samsung/apple case, but that's maybe more
+subtle as that's &quot;design patent&quot;, which is different from a software
+patent ). But maybe I am wrong on that point, and indeed, not having
+issues now doesn't mean we are safe later.
+
+One example that was often given is the progress bar
+( <A HREF="http://badpatents.blogspot.com/2011/05/progress-bar.html">http://badpatents.blogspot.com/2011/05/progress-bar.html</A> ) and
+despites it being expired now, no one ever did anything for that ( at
+least, from what I know ).
+
+Another example could be java ( Oracle vs Google case ), but the case is
+more complex since Oracle own Java, and so the risk is quite low.
+
+I think we can agree that we should not place everything in tainted, or
+that would just mean everybody will use and have tainted and that it
+will be mirrored everywhere, thus making the distinction useless ( and I
+personally still think that's not useful for now ).
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; For the icons, what is the problem exactly, ie what icons are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; copyrighted ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Only linked the ml thread for the icons for reference. It is not said
+</I>&gt;<i> which are trademarked (and more important by whom) i guess it could
+</I>&gt;<i> be seen as a derivated work to the original lemmings game from DMA design.
+</I>&gt;<i> But as the game pingus is existing, and has not been sued,
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't think they have a valid point there.
+</I>
+Maybe the problem is somewhere else, like a icon of windows, stuff like
+that. Hence the question.
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+&gt;<i> If shit happen, then 151 bugs is IMHO a rather serious diarrhea.
+</I>Ok i get your point here.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; The point is not why we released, but why not to update it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My point is &quot;why do we do the work twice&quot;.
+</I>Because developers are not perfect and even if they do their best
+they always make mistakes (to avoid any war, me first).
+Let's have a look at gnome bugzilla and check our mga 1 evolution:
+<A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/dyydha9">http://tinyurl.com/dyydha9</A>
+Then our kmail:
+<A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/crwo8wp">http://tinyurl.com/crwo8wp</A>
+So if we look at those tables we should avoid to ship them to prevent
+any update or trust them and eventually fix something, following their
+develop or their releases. In any case now they are in (and maybe a crash
+can make our mails to be lost)...
+
+Thanks God we avoid kmail2 but i seem to recall it was in for a while...
+maybe mikala was so good to avoid to have it in mga1, i'm not very happy
+using it in cauldron(not to say mdv 2011)... maybe i won't in mga2...
+or maybe upstream team fixes a lot of bugs before...
+but that could be an mga2 story :)
+
+&gt;<i> In case people didn't notice, there was a thread about &quot;there is too
+</I>&gt;<i> much update&quot;. Some stuff are unavoidable, like security updates.
+</I>but they ask also ISOSs with updates to dowload once....
+Anyway we could also quote people that in past asked for updates that never
+came.
+
+&gt;<i> Some others could be avoided. And shipping a update is more costly ( it
+</I>&gt;<i> involve more people and a more complex process ) than shiping a proper
+</I>&gt;<i> package in the first place.
+</I>That requires more test in cauldron... bug you know well that end-user bugs
+come not before betas for the most....
+
+&gt;<i> So the best way to ensure less updates is to find why we do need to
+</I>&gt;<i> update in the first place. IE, how could have we prevented it.
+</I>i don't think less updates is right anyway, i think we should update in a
+right manner... which means more tests, more answers from reporters
+and hopefully a good cover test -and yes it costs-.
+
+&gt;<i> And if we were not able to detect regression in the first place, how can
+</I>&gt;<i> we make sure that the update will fix something ?
+</I>I agree it's not always easy, but i take this thread to tell a problem i'm
+looking these days, hplip and more probably ghostscript packages,
+in mga1 i can't print photos -they are printed darker using a lot of ink-,
+is it blocking? Maybe no, but it is for me -and my purse- and for other people
+that reported it -one is using mandriva 2010.1 for that only-.
+Now I'm studying how to fix it (it works in cauldron now), but i know already
+that i cannot upgrade ghostscript and hplip, so great... the problem is solved
+then.
+I mean if someone, like me, spends his time to fix some but can't do an update
+that is time lost, and what's worst the bug still stays opened...
+Is that good?
+I think we should always consider case by case, but also the story a potencial
+update had...
+
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+<PRE>On Wed, 09 Nov 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I think we said we would place packages with various problem
+</I>&gt;<i> related to the law, and that could be patent or something else.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff we think we can redistribute, but that may have some
+</I>&gt;<i> patent issues or other restrictions in other countries
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The whole point is what is exactly &quot;patent issue&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One definition would be &quot;someone found a patent related, that is
+</I>&gt;<i> currently valid&quot;. That's one possibility.
+</I>
+With this possibility, we need to move the kernel to tainted, as some
+people claim that they found &quot;283 issued but not yet court-validated
+software patents that, if upheld as valid by the courts, could potentially
+be used to support patent claims against Linux&quot; :
+<A HREF="http://www.osriskmanagement.com/press_releases/press_release_080204.pdf">http://www.osriskmanagement.com/press_releases/press_release_080204.pdf</A>
+
+So I agree that we should only use tainted for package with significant
+risk.
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+<PRE>On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:59:55 +0100 (CET)
+Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name : llvm Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 2.9 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 2.mga2 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Wed Nov 9 20:51:13 2011 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: = Group : Development/Other Source RPM:
+</I>&gt;<i> (none) Size : 9586055 License: NCSA
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://llvm.org/">http://llvm.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Low Level Virtual Machine (LLVM)
+</I>
+
+I'm puzzled.....or maybe just thick.
+
+Why is it that mesa tainted (lib64dri-drivers-7.11-4.mga2.tainted)
+now requires this
+
+In order to satisfy the 'libLLVM-2.9.so()(64bit)' dependency, one of
+the following packages is needed:
+ 1- llvm-2.9-1.mga2.x86_64: Low Level Virtual Machine (LLVM) (to
+install)
+ 2- lib64llvm2.9-2.9-2.mga2.x86_64: LLVM shared libraries (to install)
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+Was mesa built intentionally with that dependency.
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+ Charles
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+ And pussycats to eat them when the sun goes down!
+ -- Firesign Theater
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+On 11/09/2011 04:37 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 21:40 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 09.11.2011 21:15, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 14:14 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> after updating cairo-dock and -plugins to the latest version,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it has come to my attention that cairo-dock has been removed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from Fedora due to patent issues, as can be seen here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cairo-dock.git;a=blob;f=dead.package;h=2f21e743a00cfe3accc33b8d5c974f2572bcdfc5;hb=9e2eb0b9936f326a454f6104a81c6061a5528625">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cairo-dock.git;a=blob;f=dead.package;h=2f21e743a00cfe3accc33b8d5c974f2572bcdfc5;hb=9e2eb0b9936f326a454f6104a81c6061a5528625</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've found no further explanation about this so far.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The corresponding patent (from Apple) should be this one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=7,434,177.PN.&amp;OS=PN/7,434,177&amp;RS=PN/7,434,177">http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=7,434,177.PN.&amp;OS=PN/7,434,177&amp;RS=PN/7,434,177</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> IMHO this Apple patent should not have been issued because of prior art:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Dock">http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Dock</A> but currently it's effective and we need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> respect it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The base claim is indeed weak.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A related discussions about cairo-dock and trademarks of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> some of the included icons in cairo-dock-plugins can be seen here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2009-January/000505.html">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2009-January/000505.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To be honest, i don't think this was appropriate as those icons
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> clearly seem to come from the game pingus, which is FL/OSS.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So i request cairo-dock and cairo-dock-plugins and cairo-dock-themes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be moved to tainted. Any objections?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, I do have one, I think we agreed that tainted was for enforced
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> patents, or those that would likely be enforced. While the definition is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fuzzy, I doubt that the patent will be enforced, mainly because it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> weak,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Red Hat lawyers are right for a US company, but we are not in the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> position as Red Hat ( ie, we are not in the US, we are not a company
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with several millions on the bank account and no one will ever attack us
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because we are competing with them ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wel, i don't understand this. Last time we talked about patents
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the nonfree+tainted discussions, concensus seemed to be that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> even if patents don't apply here (europe), we need to respect them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So do we or don't we?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IIUC you suggest that cairo-dock* stays where it is?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I think we said we would place packages with various problem
+</I>&gt;<i> related to the law, and that could be patent or something else.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff we think we can redistribute, but that may have some
+</I>&gt;<i> patent issues or other restrictions in other countries
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The whole point is what is exactly &quot;patent issue&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One definition would be &quot;someone found a patent related, that is
+</I>&gt;<i> currently valid&quot;. That's one possibility.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another one would be &quot;we have heard of a significant problem with
+</I>&gt;<i> something&quot;, and that would be my position ( which is annoying, because
+</I>&gt;<i> that's not a real good set of criteria to decide, and that just lack
+</I>&gt;<i> precisions, too fuzzy ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On one hand, video codecs are a patent minefield ( mp3 story 10 years
+</I>&gt;<i> ago, the story of the mpeg la patent pool bac in february this year, etc
+</I>&gt;<i> ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On the other hand, interfaces didn't see much patents attack, from what
+</I>&gt;<i> I know ( besides the whole samsung/apple case, but that's maybe more
+</I>&gt;<i> subtle as that's &quot;design patent&quot;, which is different from a software
+</I>&gt;<i> patent ). But maybe I am wrong on that point, and indeed, not having
+</I>&gt;<i> issues now doesn't mean we are safe later.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One example that was often given is the progress bar
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://badpatents.blogspot.com/2011/05/progress-bar.html">http://badpatents.blogspot.com/2011/05/progress-bar.html</A> ) and
+</I>&gt;<i> despites it being expired now, no one ever did anything for that ( at
+</I>&gt;<i> least, from what I know ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another example could be java ( Oracle vs Google case ), but the case is
+</I>&gt;<i> more complex since Oracle own Java, and so the risk is quite low.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we can agree that we should not place everything in tainted, or
+</I>&gt;<i> that would just mean everybody will use and have tainted and that it
+</I>&gt;<i> will be mirrored everywhere, thus making the distinction useless ( and I
+</I>&gt;<i> personally still think that's not useful for now ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For the icons, what is the problem exactly, ie what icons are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> copyrighted ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Only linked the ml thread for the icons for reference. It is not said
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which are trademarked (and more important by whom) i guess it could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be seen as a derivated work to the original lemmings game from DMA design.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But as the game pingus is existing, and has not been sued,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i don't think they have a valid point there.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe the problem is somewhere else, like a icon of windows, stuff like
+</I>&gt;<i> that. Hence the question.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Take a look here:
+<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html</A>
+
+and here:
+<A HREF="http://opensource.org/docs/osd">http://opensource.org/docs/osd</A>
+
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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 9 novembre 2011 21:36:11 Charles A Edwards a &#233;crit :
+[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm puzzled.....or maybe just thick.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why is it that mesa tainted (lib64dri-drivers-7.11-4.mga2.tainted)
+</I>&gt;<i> now requires this
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In order to satisfy the 'libLLVM-2.9.so()(64bit)' dependency, one of
+</I>&gt;<i> the following packages is needed:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1- llvm-2.9-1.mga2.x86_64: Low Level Virtual Machine (LLVM) (to
+</I>&gt;<i> install)
+</I>&gt;<i> 2- lib64llvm2.9-2.9-2.mga2.x86_64: LLVM shared libraries (to install)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Was mesa built intentionally with that dependency.
+</I>it was.
+anssi &lt;anssi&gt; 7.11-4.mga2:
++ Revision: 165988
+- build with shared dricore to make DRI driver binaries smaller
+- re-enable parallel build
+- drop old unapplied patch for dricore, implemented upstream
+
+Regards,
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+<PRE>On Monday 07 November 2011 23:58, Jos&#233; Jorge wrote:
+&gt;<i> So I'd say yes it can and should move to non-free, as it is even possible to
+</I>&gt;<i> use this hardware without it.
+</I>
+In other words, you would prefer to have non-free drivers to remain in the &quot;core&quot; tree because otherwise some hardware may not work? (Did i understand you correctly?)
+
+Then why are there any drivers in the non-free tree and not in &quot;core&quot;? Either we have a separation of Free and non-free software or we do not. Mixing Free and non-free packages in the &quot;core&quot; tree when we have a nonfree tree is inconsistent. Whether or not it makes anything work shouldn't matter on the desition to move non-free packages into the nonfree tree. The license should be the decisive factor.
+
+I am of the firm belief that we ought to have a clear separation between Free and non-free software, and have the ones who want it, add the non-free tree. (I am one of those who have the non-free tree in my available repository list, mainly because of some patent encumbered software, and proprietary codecs, but that is My choice to make.)
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+Debian are going down this path, and their &quot;main&quot; tree have now only Free software, after they moved the non-free kernel drivers into the non-free section last february with Debian 6.0. Meaning, if one install Debian and only have main and contrib repos, one have a Free software only installation.
+We should do the same.
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+I guess it comes down to this: Do we want to have Only Free software packages in &quot;core&quot; or not.
+I think it would be in our interest to do this.
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+<PRE>on Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:15
+in the Usenet newsgroup gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+Michael Scherer wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 14:14 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> after updating cairo-dock and -plugins to the latest version,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it has come to my attention that cairo-dock has been removed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from Fedora due to patent issues, as can be seen here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cairo-">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=cairo-</A>
+</I>dock.git;a=blob;f=dead.package;h=2f21e743a00cfe3accc33b8d5c974f2572bcdfc5;hb=9e2eb0b993
+6f326a454f6104a81c6061a5528625
+&gt;&gt;<i> I've found no further explanation about this so far.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The corresponding patent (from Apple) should be this one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-">http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-</A>
+</I>Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PALL&amp;p=1&amp;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=5
+0&amp;s1=7,434,177.PN.&amp;OS=PN/7,434,177&amp;RS=PN/7,434,177
+&gt;&gt;<i> IMHO this Apple patent should not have been issued because of prior art:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Dock">http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple_Dock</A> but currently it's effective and we need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> respect it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The base claim is indeed weak.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A related discussions about cairo-dock and trademarks of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some of the included icons in cairo-dock-plugins can be seen here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2009-January/000505.html">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2009-January/000505.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To be honest, i don't think this was appropriate as those icons
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> clearly seem to come from the game pingus, which is FL/OSS.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So i request cairo-dock and cairo-dock-plugins and cairo-dock-themes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be moved to tainted. Any objections?
+</I>
+You guys *really* need to talk to a lawyer. Then when you know
+how things work you will be able to make sensible decisions.
+
+Maybe I can prime you with some background that I hope will be
+helpful.
+
+1. Free legal advice is worth what you pay for it. ;-)
+ Don't trust what I write - just take it as a starting point.
+
+2. Laws vary enormously from one jurisdiction to another.
+ Where are you? Your company? Your assets? Your
+ employees? Are you ever likely to travel to, or though
+ barbaric counties where you could be dragged of the
+ plane and jailed for something like wearing lipstick in
+ the past - even though it was perfectly legal at the time
+ and place that you did it?
+
+3. There could be serious translation difficulties. Where I
+ am, patents and trademarks are very different things. That
+ might be different in the French language and French /
+ European law. I suspect that you are confusing two
+ different things that you need to understand. Talk to
+ a lawyer.
+
+4. Do the terms; sell, give away, sell for a profit, sell at
+ cost, and non-profit organisation, have good French
+ translations? Are those terms legally relevant to you?
+
+5. There is such a thing as a world wide patent *application*,
+ but there is no such thing as a world wide patent. Almost
+ all countries acknowledge such an application, but they
+ do there own thing and have to be paid separately to finish
+ the job.
+
+I don't even know what you would call such a professional.
+Here an IP lawyer is a specialist in intellectual property,
+not internet protocols. ;-) Perhaps you want a patent attorney.
+
+&gt;<i> Yes, I do have one, I think we agreed that tainted was for enforced
+</I>&gt;<i> patents, or those that would likely be enforced. While the definition is
+</I>&gt;<i> fuzzy, I doubt that the patent will be enforced, mainly because it is
+</I>&gt;<i> weak,
+</I>
+Patented? That would stop me SELLING stuff, if someone has a valid
+patent in my jurisdiction, but if I am not selling then all patents
+are irrelevant. Check this with a local professional!
+
+&gt;<i> Red Hat lawyers are right for a US company, but we are not in the same
+</I>&gt;<i> position as Red Hat ( ie, we are not in the US, we are not a company
+</I>&gt;<i> with several millions on the bank account and no one will ever attack us
+</I>&gt;<i> because we are competing with them ).
+</I>
+Red Hat is selling stuff for profit in the US, a very different
+situation.
+
+&gt;<i> For the icons, what is the problem exactly, ie what icons are
+</I>&gt;<i> copyrighted ?
+</I>
+Patents, trademarks and copyright are different things, at least
+where I am. Learn the difference, if there is one where you are.
+
+Get competent legal advice then decide whether to run for the
+hills or stand your ground and be prepared to say, &quot;If you can
+point to a valid French patent we will not sell that&quot;.
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+<PRE>Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 22:41 +0200, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 09.11.2011 22:34, Florian Hubold wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 09.11.2011 20:48, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 19:38 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as Anssi made me aware msec currently has a Requires on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sendmail-command for cauldron, this was the outcome of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> last discussion about msec / MTA.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, currently in /etc/urpmi/prefer.vendor.list postfix
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is preferred as sendmail-command and mail-server.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi's vote and mine is to replace preference on postfix
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with dma to ensure users get dma installed with the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upgrade from Mageia 1 -&gt; 2 and not postfix which needs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> configuration.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What configuration ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> AFAIK, Postfix work out of the box for the use case of msec/cron, mail
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sent to root are delivered to root mailbox, unless someone added a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> aliase.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> From a quick look at dma, it behave the same ( ie, it take aliase from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the same file, thus requiring the same configuration, or needing the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> same declaration of a smart host ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be better to send everything to /var/log if no mta are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> found ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ( ie, do something like that :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA</A> ). We have the proper
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version of cronie ( I hope ), so what prevent us ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> msec already sends everything also to /var/log, which was disregarded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in last discussion because normal users don't look there and it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> slowly adds up on diskspace.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Normal users also do not read local mailboxes and the mailboxes slowly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> add up on diskspace.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And log files can be rotated, unlike mailboxes. Maybe the log are not
+</I>&gt;<i> rotated on the other hand, so that's a bug that could/should be fixed,
+</I>&gt;<i> if that's the case.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Since log files are rotated and compressed, it is a lot better to avoid
+duplicating all that detail to mailboxes, where it is not compressed,
+accumulates indefinitely if not removed by user action.
+(On my system log files have always been properly rotated.)
+
+&gt;<i> What we could do is either :
+</I>&gt;<i> - install nothing by default
+</I>&gt;<i> - install postfix/dma/whatever by a drakwizard if/when user give a email
+</I>&gt;<i> for msec alert.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I have tended to favour installing dma, as personally I like being
+notified, but I'm beginning to think that we need another solution.
+&gt;<i> Maybe another solution would be to make msec smarter and not spew 100
+</I>&gt;<i> lines per hours. I am all for msec but as I say often, this look like a
+</I>&gt;<i> Homer Simpson invention.
+</I>
+That I agree with totally.
+Summaries to the mailing list (like x packages updated, y removed, z
+added), with references to log would be much better.
+The defaults for the standard level are a bit ridiculous also. How many
+users care about which applications listen on ports ? (Which is usually
+only Internet.)
+
+Maybe a better alternative (by default) would be to send a persistant
+alert to the screen, which refers to the log file. And maybe has a link
+to view the detail in the log file.
+The current alert disappears automatically after a few seconds, so is
+very easily missed. (Especially since it runs at 4 in the morning, at
+least on my system.)
+With a persistant alert, I wouldn't need email notification.
+(I'm not running a server.)
+
+It might be an idea for msec to store these alerts (of not more than a
+few lines each) in a special file, until each is acknowledged. Every
+new alert appears in a window on the screen, with all unacknowledged
+previous alerts. The window stays there until closed. Much like a
+dedicated mailing list without headers, and very compact. With the
+detail going to the logs.
+The more I think about it, I would very much prefer this sort of default
+solution.
+Just an idea :)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>--
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Florian Hubold at 09/11/11 18:38 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> as Anssi made me aware msec currently has a Requires on
+</I>&gt;<i> sendmail-command for cauldron, this was the outcome of the
+</I>&gt;<i> last discussion about msec / MTA.
+</I>&gt;<i> However, currently in /etc/urpmi/prefer.vendor.list postfix
+</I>&gt;<i> is preferred as sendmail-command and mail-server.
+</I>
+
+Personally I vote to change the sendmail-command and mail-server to dma
+as stated.
+
+But I also vote to not require sendmail-command for msec.
+
+It's an optional dependency of msec - some people want mail by default
+and some don't. My vote is don't. I generally install MTAs anyway for
+other reasons, so that's fine.
+
+I totally agree that if a user isn't aware that they should install an
+MTA then they are also not aware enough to actually check root account
+or add an alias.
+
+Miscs suggestion of &quot;enter an email address for who should get roots
+mail&quot; and then install an mta to deliver it is IMO a good compromise for
+everyone.
+
+But I'm certainly don't have a massively strong opinion here, so take it
+or leave it :D
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 09/11/11 17:32 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At the moment on my system, waiting for network-up is causing some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> slowdowns for example. I don't need the network to be up to be able to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> login (on my system) and thus I'd rather display gdm sooner rather than
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wait. Useful stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The network-up service is normally not required for dm launch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is only needed with network login, which enables the network-auth
+</I>&gt;<i> service (this one if blocking dm launch if enabled).
+</I>
+Yup, this is on my tweak list :)
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 09/11/11 12:01 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 9 November 2011 00:48, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you want to get a nice log of how things work, just install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bootchart-daemon and then boot with the kernel command line:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> init=/sbin/bootchartd
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should be done automatically in %post.
+</I>&gt;<i> See memtest86+ for example
+</I>
+Well I thought about this, but memtest86+ adds a totally new entry,
+should we do the same here, should it only be done for the current
+kernel, how would it handle kernel updates, etc.
+
+At present I'm happy to enable it manually when needed, but if people
+want it to be more automatic and appear as a boot entry in grub, then
+I'm happy enough to do that.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5BRFC%5D%20move%20cairo-dock%20to%20tainted%20because%0A%09of%09trademark/patent%20issues&In-Reply-To=%3C20111110110806.GE21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"
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+<PRE>On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, blind Pete wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You guys *really* need to talk to a lawyer. Then when you know
+</I>&gt;<i> how things work you will be able to make sensible decisions.
+</I>
+If you have anything interesting to say, just say it, no need to add
+things like &quot;You guys *really* need to talk to a lawyer&quot;. Especially
+when the rest of you email shows that you don't actually have anything
+useful to say that we already know. People interested in patents probably
+already read this document (already posted on this list), which has much
+more useful and accurate informations than your email (without the
+condescending tone), prepared by real lawyers :
+<A HREF="http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq">http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq</A>
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, I do have one, I think we agreed that tainted was for enforced
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; patents, or those that would likely be enforced. While the definition is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fuzzy, I doubt that the patent will be enforced, mainly because it is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; weak,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Patented? That would stop me SELLING stuff, if someone has a valid
+</I>&gt;<i> patent in my jurisdiction, but if I am not selling then all patents
+</I>&gt;<i> are irrelevant. Check this with a local professional!
+</I>
+Maybe you should do what you say and talk to a lawyer. You don't need
+to sell anything to be attacked for patent infringement, or inducing
+infringement (according to the document from lawyers at the Software
+Freedom Law Center). It's just that you are a more attractive target if
+you're making a lot of money.
+
+But the tainted repository is not here to protect Mageia, because Mageia
+is distributing it anyway. The goal of the tainted repository is to help
+mirror owners (which can be commercial companies) or users or people
+selling stuff based on Mageia, who want to limit their legal risks by
+avoiding the more risky software.
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 09 Nov 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, I think we said we would place packages with various problem
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> related to the law, and that could be patent or something else.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stuff we think we can redistribute, but that may have some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patent issues or other restrictions in other countries
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The whole point is what is exactly &quot;patent issue&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One definition would be &quot;someone found a patent related, that is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> currently valid&quot;. That's one possibility.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With this possibility, we need to move the kernel to tainted, as some
+</I>&gt;<i> people claim that they found &quot;283 issued but not yet court-validated
+</I>&gt;<i> software patents that, if upheld as valid by the courts, could potentially
+</I>&gt;<i> be used to support patent claims against Linux&quot; :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.osriskmanagement.com/press_releases/press_release_080204.pdf">http://www.osriskmanagement.com/press_releases/press_release_080204.pdf</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I agree that we should only use tainted for package with significant
+</I>&gt;<i> risk.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I agree as well.
+The tricky part is how we define/decide significant risk.
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+--
+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 09/11/11 17:32 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The network-up service is normally not required for dm launch.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is only needed with network login, which enables the network-auth
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> service (this one if blocking dm launch if enabled).
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup, this is on my tweak list :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If the network isn't up when the dm launches, and you get your hostname
+via DHCP, then $HOSTNAME is wrong on the desktop, no ?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 10/11/11 11:43 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 11/10/2011 05:10 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 09/11/11 17:32 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The network-up service is normally not required for dm launch.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It is only needed with network login, which enables the network-auth
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> service (this one if blocking dm launch if enabled).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yup, this is on my tweak list :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the network isn't up when the dm launches, and you get your hostname
+</I>&gt;<i> via DHCP, then $HOSTNAME is wrong on the desktop, no ?
+</I>
+Perhaps but IMO a HOSTNAME env var is a generally dumb idea anyway (I'm
+sure some would disagree, but really is $HOSTNAME really much different
+from HOSTNAME=`hostname`?)
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>On 11/10/2011 07:06 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 10/11/11 11:43 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If the network isn't up when the dm launches, and you get your hostname
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> via DHCP, then $HOSTNAME is wrong on the desktop, no ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps but IMO a HOSTNAME env var is a generally dumb idea anyway (I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> sure some would disagree, but really is $HOSTNAME really much different
+</I>&gt;<i> from HOSTNAME=`hostname`?)
+</I>I agree, but unfortunately, bash PS1 \h doesn't, and neither did the old
+GDM themes that showed hostname (although in their case the hostname
+probably hadn't been set because dm didn't wait for network-up).
+
+Considering that modern networks come up in a fraction of a second,
+having dm depend on the network shouldn't really affect perceived boot
+time. Maybe a better solution would be to have dm wait for a separate
+target like &quot;dm-proceed&quot;, and let the network scripts for slow networks
+like dialup flip it prematurely if they like. In other (most) cases, it
+could be flipped at the same time as network-up.
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+&gt;<i> In other words, you would prefer to have non-free drivers to remain in
+</I>&gt;<i> the &quot;core&quot; tree because otherwise some hardware may not work? (Did i
+</I>&gt;<i> understand you correctly?)
+</I>If we're going to have core and non-free to begin with, then non-free
+stuff shouldn't be in core. That being said, it isn't the problem
+here. The problem is that non-free isn't as available as core. It
+should be, based on prompting the user during install. Those who want a
+totally free system that lacks non-free functionality just have to say no.
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+If it makes a philosophical difference, then have no default and require
+the user to explicitly answer yes or no, and get treated accordingly.
+Putting non-free stuff in core is an attempted solution to the problem
+that enabling and using non-free in an installed core-only system is
+much more complicated than it ought to be. By the time a user boots his
+installed system, non-free stuff should already be there if he wants it
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 10/11/11 12:39 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 11/10/2011 07:06 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 10/11/11 11:43 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If the network isn't up when the dm launches, and you get your hostname
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> via DHCP, then $HOSTNAME is wrong on the desktop, no ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Perhaps but IMO a HOSTNAME env var is a generally dumb idea anyway (I'm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure some would disagree, but really is $HOSTNAME really much different
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from HOSTNAME=`hostname`?)
+</I>
+&gt;<i> I agree, but unfortunately, bash PS1 \h doesn't, and neither did the old
+</I>&gt;<i> GDM themes that showed hostname (although in their case the hostname
+</I>&gt;<i> probably hadn't been set because dm didn't wait for network-up).
+</I>
+Well in the GDM case this could (and should) be solved more
+intelligently. i.e. by properly noticing when the system hostname
+changes with network events etc.
+
+As for PS1 I see the issue, but I also think solving it by waiting is
+fundamentally the wrong approach.
+
+So the correct way to fix this is to ensure the DE environment itself
+notices the changes and updates it's own environment, then whenever new
+gnome-terminal etc. apps are launched, they inherit this updated
+environment, not the one that was present when it was initialised.
+
+So while delaying things might be a workaround, I think it's
+fundamentally the wrong fix.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>2011/11/10 Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 11/10/2011 02:25 AM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In other words, you would prefer to have non-free drivers to remain in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;core&quot; tree because otherwise some hardware may not work? (Did i understand
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you correctly?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we're going to have core and non-free to begin with, then non-free stuff
+</I>&gt;<i> shouldn't be in core. &#160;That being said, it isn't the problem here. &#160;The
+</I>&gt;<i> problem is that non-free isn't as available as core. &#160;It should be, based on
+</I>&gt;<i> prompting the user during install. &#160;Those who want a totally free system
+</I>&gt;<i> that lacks non-free functionality just have to say no.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If it makes a philosophical difference, then have no default and require the
+</I>&gt;<i> user to explicitly answer yes or no, and get treated accordingly. &#160;Putting
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free stuff in core is an attempted solution to the problem that enabling
+</I>&gt;<i> and using non-free in an installed core-only system is much more complicated
+</I>&gt;<i> than it ought to be. &#160;By the time a user boots his installed system,
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free stuff should already be there if he wants it there.
+</I>
+By the time a user boots his installed system he either has the online
+repositories already set (after install from liveCD) or is just a
+mouse click away from setting them. When the online repos are set the
+non-free repo is available if the user wants to have it.
+
+Again it boils down to the decision whether Mageia wants to distribute
+non-free in her installation media or not. This decision has been made
+long ago and discussing the same settled issue over and over again is
+wasting time.
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 11/10/2011 02:25 AM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In other words, you would prefer to have non-free drivers to remain
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the &quot;core&quot; tree because otherwise some hardware may not work? (Did
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i understand you correctly?)
+</I>&gt;<i> If we're going to have core and non-free to begin with, then non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff shouldn't be in core. That being said, it isn't the problem
+</I>&gt;<i> here. The problem is that non-free isn't as available as core. It
+</I>&gt;<i> should be, based on prompting the user during install. Those who want
+</I>&gt;<i> a totally free system that lacks non-free functionality just have to
+</I>&gt;<i> say no.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If it makes a philosophical difference, then have no default and
+</I>&gt;<i> require the user to explicitly answer yes or no, and get treated
+</I>&gt;<i> accordingly. Putting non-free stuff in core is an attempted solution
+</I>&gt;<i> to the problem that enabling and using non-free in an installed
+</I>&gt;<i> core-only system is much more complicated than it ought to be. By the
+</I>&gt;<i> time a user boots his installed system, non-free stuff should already
+</I>&gt;<i> be there if he wants it there.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I agree totally.
+Why would someone wanting to avoid non-free at any price want to impose
+that on others, particularly for such key factors as drivers and firmware ?
+Doesn't sound very respectful of freedom in my mind.
+I can understand if it were regarding less critical components of the
+system.
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Charles A Edwards kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:59:55 +0100 (CET)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : llvm Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 2.9 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 2.mga2 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wed Nov 9 20:51:13 2011 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: = Group : Development/Other Source RPM:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (none) Size : 9586055 License: NCSA
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://llvm.org/">http://llvm.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : Low Level Virtual Machine (LLVM)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm puzzled.....or maybe just thick.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why is it that mesa tainted (lib64dri-drivers-7.11-4.mga2.tainted)
+</I>&gt;<i> now requires this
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In order to satisfy the 'libLLVM-2.9.so()(64bit)' dependency, one of
+</I>&gt;<i> the following packages is needed:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1- llvm-2.9-1.mga2.x86_64: Low Level Virtual Machine (LLVM) (to
+</I>&gt;<i> install)
+</I>&gt;<i> 2- lib64llvm2.9-2.9-2.mga2.x86_64: LLVM shared libraries (to install)
+</I>
+There is no llvm-2.9-1.mga2 in the mirrors, so your metadata is probably
+out-of-date. llvm-2.9-2.mga2 doesn't provide libLLVM-2.9.so anymore, so
+urpmi will install lib64llvm2.9 without asking.
+
+&gt;<i> Was mesa built intentionally with that dependency.
+</I>
+Mesa DRI drivers have always been built against LLVM. However, I made a
+change in the llvm package that causes software linking against it to be
+linked dynamically instead of statically, causing packages built against
+llvm (including mesa) to be considerably smaller, but require
+lib64llvm2.9.
+(the net result is much smaller packages even while taking account the
+added lib64llvm2.9)
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+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/11/10 Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 11/10/2011 02:25 AM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In other words, you would prefer to have non-free drivers to remain in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;core&quot; tree because otherwise some hardware may not work? (Did i understand
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you correctly?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If we're going to have core and non-free to begin with, then non-free stuff
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shouldn't be in core. That being said, it isn't the problem here. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problem is that non-free isn't as available as core. It should be, based on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> prompting the user during install. Those who want a totally free system
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that lacks non-free functionality just have to say no.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If it makes a philosophical difference, then have no default and require the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> user to explicitly answer yes or no, and get treated accordingly. Putting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-free stuff in core is an attempted solution to the problem that enabling
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and using non-free in an installed core-only system is much more complicated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> than it ought to be. By the time a user boots his installed system,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-free stuff should already be there if he wants it there.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By the time a user boots his installed system he either has the online
+</I>&gt;<i> repositories already set (after install from liveCD) or is just a
+</I>&gt;<i> mouse click away from setting them. When the online repos are set the
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free repo is available if the user wants to have it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>What about if I don't have internet access ?
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+(Typically, in my company, we provided Mandriva DVD for customer with no
+internet connection. There were able to get a working system without any
+additional trick).
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+Maybe I misunderstood the problem (if so, sorry) :
+If it is just a matter of asking to user whether or not he wants to
+install non free firmware, then just go! But if the user with no
+internet access is stuck because of firmware absence, then that's just
+stupid!
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+<PRE>xi a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/10 Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 11/10/2011 02:25 AM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In other words, you would prefer to have non-free drivers to remain
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;core&quot; tree because otherwise some hardware may not work? (Did i
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> understand
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you correctly?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we're going to have core and non-free to begin with, then
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> non-free stuff
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> shouldn't be in core. That being said, it isn't the problem here. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> problem is that non-free isn't as available as core. It should be,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> based on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> prompting the user during install. Those who want a totally free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> system
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that lacks non-free functionality just have to say no.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If it makes a philosophical difference, then have no default and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> require the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> user to explicitly answer yes or no, and get treated accordingly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Putting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> non-free stuff in core is an attempted solution to the problem that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> enabling
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and using non-free in an installed core-only system is much more
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> complicated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> than it ought to be. By the time a user boots his installed system,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> non-free stuff should already be there if he wants it there.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> By the time a user boots his installed system he either has the online
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repositories already set (after install from liveCD) or is just a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mouse click away from setting them. When the online repos are set the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-free repo is available if the user wants to have it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about if I don't have internet access ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Typically, in my company, we provided Mandriva DVD for customer with
+</I>&gt;<i> no internet connection. There were able to get a working system
+</I>&gt;<i> without any additional trick).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe I misunderstood the problem (if so, sorry) :
+</I>&gt;<i> If it is just a matter of asking to user whether or not he wants to
+</I>&gt;<i> install non free firmware, then just go! But if the user with no
+</I>&gt;<i> internet access is stuck because of firmware absence, then that's just
+</I>&gt;<i> stupid!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Xavier
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>+1
+free software is supposed to be about not taking away freedoms ...
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+--
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+<PRE>2011/11/10 xi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ctrl.alt.sup at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/10 Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 11/10/2011 02:25 AM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In other words, you would prefer to have non-free drivers to remain in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;core&quot; tree because otherwise some hardware may not work? (Did i
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> understand
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you correctly?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we're going to have core and non-free to begin with, then non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> stuff
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> shouldn't be in core. &#160;That being said, it isn't the problem here. &#160;The
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> problem is that non-free isn't as available as core. &#160;It should be, based
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> prompting the user during install. &#160;Those who want a totally free system
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that lacks non-free functionality just have to say no.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If it makes a philosophical difference, then have no default and require
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> user to explicitly answer yes or no, and get treated accordingly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Putting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> non-free stuff in core is an attempted solution to the problem that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> enabling
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and using non-free in an installed core-only system is much more
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> complicated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> than it ought to be. &#160;By the time a user boots his installed system,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> non-free stuff should already be there if he wants it there.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> By the time a user boots his installed system he either has the online
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repositories already set (after install from liveCD) or is just a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mouse click away from setting them. When the online repos are set the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-free repo is available if the user wants to have it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about if I don't have internet access ?
+</I>
+Then he should use the liveCD. As has been in Mandriva.
+
+&gt;<i> If it is just a matter of asking to user whether or not he wants to install
+</I>&gt;<i> non free firmware, then just go! But if the user with no internet access is
+</I>&gt;<i> stuck because of firmware absence, then that's just stupid!
+</I>
+This has been the same in Mandriva times:
+ - an installation DVD as Free Edition without non-free stuff
+ - installable LiveCDs including non-free drivers.
+
+--
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+<PRE>2011/11/10 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> free software is supposed to be about not taking away freedoms ...
+</I>
+Oh, really? So taking away your freedom to use non-free software is
+against the rules of free software?
+An interesting thought, will ask RMS next time I see him. :)
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+Let's stay on the ground, pls. Nobody is taking away any freedom from
+anybody here.
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+--
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+<PRE>On Thursday 10 November 2011 14:45, andre999 wrote:
+&gt;<i> Why would someone wanting to avoid non-free at any price want to impose
+</I>&gt;<i> that on others, particularly for such key factors as drivers and firmware ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Doesn't sound very respectful of freedom in my mind.
+</I>
+That's turning it upside down. By having non-free drivers in core, we are imposing our restrictions on others who want freedom above all else, but want's to use our distribution. As it is now, they can't because they can't reliably install the system and be confident that all drivers are free.
+
+And note that I am not talking about the ISOs, I am talking about the repositories.
+One solution that could satisfy most users is to have two sets of ISOs. One set which have the things and drivers that they do now, and one set with only Free software and drivers. Then people would have a real choice. Mandriva used to do that untill they turned away with 2011. The Free edition was marked with &quot;free&quot; in the filename. In order to effectively do that one have to separate the free and nonfree drivers and software in the repos.
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+&gt;<i> I can understand if it were regarding less critical components of the
+</I>&gt;<i> system.
+</I>
+In other words, you don't care about freedom, you want powerfull software.
+It is precisely critical components that matters, when it comes to freedom.
+
+--
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+<PRE>On Thursday 10 November 2011 16:02, andre999 wrote:
+&gt;<i> free software is supposed to be about not taking away freedoms ...
+</I>
+Then why are you advocating nonfree drivers? That is Not promoting freedom.
+
+Don't confuse freedom with freedom of choice.
+Today people can choose between various versions of Windows and OS X. But they are not choosing freedom in any of these choices.
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+<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/11/10 xi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ctrl.alt.sup at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/10 Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 11/10/2011 02:25 AM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In other words, you would prefer to have non-free drivers to remain in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;core&quot; tree because otherwise some hardware may not work? (Did i
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> understand
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you correctly?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we're going to have core and non-free to begin with, then non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> stuff
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> shouldn't be in core. That being said, it isn't the problem here. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> problem is that non-free isn't as available as core. It should be, based
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> prompting the user during install. Those who want a totally free system
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that lacks non-free functionality just have to say no.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If it makes a philosophical difference, then have no default and require
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> user to explicitly answer yes or no, and get treated accordingly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Putting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> non-free stuff in core is an attempted solution to the problem that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> enabling
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and using non-free in an installed core-only system is much more
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> complicated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> than it ought to be. By the time a user boots his installed system,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> non-free stuff should already be there if he wants it there.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> By the time a user boots his installed system he either has the online
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> repositories already set (after install from liveCD) or is just a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mouse click away from setting them. When the online repos are set the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> non-free repo is available if the user wants to have it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What about if I don't have internet access ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then he should use the liveCD. As has been in Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If it is just a matter of asking to user whether or not he wants to install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non free firmware, then just go! But if the user with no internet access is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stuck because of firmware absence, then that's just stupid!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This has been the same in Mandriva times:
+</I>&gt;<i> - an installation DVD as Free Edition without non-free stuff
+</I>&gt;<i> - installable LiveCDs including non-free drivers.
+</I>
+Are we talking about non-free _drivers_ or _firmware_ ?
+
+Mandriva free DVD didn't contain non-free _drivers_, but _did_ contain
+non free _firmwares_.
+I am quite sure of this because we are able to run Edgeport serial
+devices which needs non free firmware (io_ti driver) with Mandriva free DVD.
+
+If you remove the non-free firmware, then such kind of material won't
+work anymore.
+
+Absence of non-free drivers generally don't prevent system from running
+(eg for graphic card, you can still use Vesa driver). But Absence of
+firmware will prevent hardware from running ...
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 21:36 -0500, Charles A Edwards a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:59:55 +0100 (CET)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : llvm Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; relocatable) Version : 2.9 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia.Org Release : 2.mga2 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Wed Nov 9 20:51:13 2011 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Build Host: = Group : Development/Other Source RPM:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (none) Size : 9586055 License: NCSA
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; URL : <A HREF="http://llvm.org/">http://llvm.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary : Low Level Virtual Machine (LLVM)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm puzzled.....or maybe just thick.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why is it that mesa tainted (lib64dri-drivers-7.11-4.mga2.tainted)
+</I>&gt;<i> now requires this
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In order to satisfy the 'libLLVM-2.9.so()(64bit)' dependency, one of
+</I>&gt;<i> the following packages is needed:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1- llvm-2.9-1.mga2.x86_64: Low Level Virtual Machine (LLVM) (to
+</I>&gt;<i> install)
+</I>&gt;<i> 2- lib64llvm2.9-2.9-2.mga2.x86_64: LLVM shared libraries (to install)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Was mesa built intentionally with that dependency.
+</I>
+Mesa use llvm to compile shader on the fly to be used on 3d hardware.
+IE, 3d games give some instruction in some specific language, and that's
+compiled to be run on your GPU, with some optimisation.
+
+( hope this answer the question, if not, I guess either john or anssi
+have understood the real question )
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+<PRE>Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thursday 10 November 2011 14:45, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why would someone wanting to avoid non-free at any price want to impose
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that on others, particularly for such key factors as drivers and firmware ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doesn't sound very respectful of freedom in my mind.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's turning it upside down. By having non-free drivers in core, we are imposing our restrictions on others who want freedom above all else, but want's to use our distribution. As it is now, they can't because they can't reliably install the system and be confident that all drivers are free.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+1) I'm not proposing to have non-free drivers in core
+2) I don't follow how that would impose any restrictions on anyone
+3) Those who want freedom above all else obviously can't use a computer
+with non-free hardware, and since all computers contain non-free
+hardware, they obviously wouldn't be interested in an operating system,
+even a great one based on Linux like Mageia.
+&gt;<i> And note that I am not talking about the ISOs, I am talking about the repositories.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Good idea to separate free and non-free.
+(I think we should say libre and non-libre. That way we won't be saying
+non-free, which could lead some to think that we are asking them to pay
+money for it.)
+&gt;<i> One solution that could satisfy most users is to have two sets of ISOs. One set which have the things and drivers that they do now, and one set with only Free software and drivers. Then people would have a real choice. Mandriva used to do that untill they turned away with 2011. The Free edition was marked with &quot;free&quot; in the filename. In order to effectively do that one have to separate the free and nonfree drivers and software in the repos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think most users would be totally satisfied if libre and non-libre
+were clearly indicated, even in the package name. That way there would
+be no ambiguity.
+Those more concerned about avoiding non-libre, even at the expense of
+their hardware not working properly, would just have to avoid temptation.
+&gt;&gt;<i> I can understand if it were regarding less critical components of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In other words, you don't care about freedom, you want powerfull software.
+</I>&gt;<i> It is precisely critical components that matters, when it comes to freedom.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Indeed I do care about freedom, including the freedom to readily install
+software that will let my non-free hardware function properly.
+As far as I know, the only non-free software on my system, besides a
+free-as-in-cost app to monitor my Internet usage running under wine, are
+hardware-oriented firmware and possibly drivers.
+Plus a few apps only installed for testing purposes, and never otherwise
+used.
+The app to monitor Internet usage will disappear as soon as I can find a
+Linux-based app that works. (I've tried a few, but none worked reliably.)
+BTW, the most powerful software on my system is the kernel, unless you
+want to count Libreoffice, Openoffice, or Seamonkey, all of which are
+bigger.
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> BTW, the most powerful software on my system is the kernel
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+ <I>Fri Nov 11 00:17:47 CET 2011</I>
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+
+mariadb-5.5.15-0.mga2 should be hitting the mirrors soon (at cauldron
+core/updates_testing). It's purpose is to be an alternative to mysql. for that
+reason, mariadb packages provide also the similar mysql targets.
+
+mariadb is intended to be a drop-in replacement for mysql, it goes so far to
+actually have the same files and ABI's as mysql. after looking at their forking
+process (it's not actually a full fork, they start from mysql and then patch),
+i've seen that it's actually very good for a drop-in replacement. There are a
+few differences ( <A HREF="http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-versus-mysql-compatibility">http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-versus-mysql-compatibility</A>
+) but they are minor. I've done a few minor tests with amarok, akonadi, drupal
+and phpmyadmin (and of course mysql client).
+
+NOTE: mariadb provides actually most storage engines mysql provides as well,
+but also the original and unpatched MyISAM and InnoDB engines from mysql. On
+top of that, it has some extra storage engines. XtraDB, which is the drop-in
+replacement storage engine for Innodb, is essentially an innodb with extra
+patches from various sources, like google, facebook, etc... ( see
+<A HREF="http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-versus-mysql-features">http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-versus-mysql-features</A> )
+
+I've chosen to use mkrel 0 atm, because it's not a released version yet, I've
+talked extensively to mariadb developers, and they mentioned that they did 5.3
+and 5.5 in parallel, so that 5.5 should be released as beta pretty soon. When
+i talked about our release schedule, they did mention that mariadb-5.5 should
+be final before februari.
+
+My plan is as follows:
+1. provide testing package [DONE]
+2. clean up spec file from mysql and file some patches upstream [DONE]
+3. provide newer testing package when it's released as a alpha/beta
+4. if testing is satisfactory (not breaking buildsystem or mysql) submit to
+core/release and get more testing.
+5. if final 5.5 release is on time, have mariadb into mageia2
+
+now there, we have a few options:
+
+considering that mariadb is essentially mysql + extra features, if we ship
+both mysql and mariadb, we should ensure that normal users don't go from
+mariadb to mysql. (if a storage engine would be used that's NOT in mysql,
+suddenly a few databases might not work, even though the data is still there.)
+
+A. provide both but with vendor preference
+making sure one of them both is preferred should be ok, since they conflict
+anyway, if a user installs the non-preferred one, she knows what she's doing.
+( I think a note could be added here for warning purposes )
+
+B. only use mariadb anymore
+=&gt; That's the easiest and safest option...
+_IF_ mariadb works well. (which i'm sure we'll see in our testing)
+(IMHO, if it worked for libreoffice, i don't see why not for mariadb)
+
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+any opinions? testings? problems?
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
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+I recently adapted the SPEC and patches in the repository for subversion-1.7.1
+and installed it locally. It works in general, but there are two problems:
+
+1. All working copies need to be upgraded to the new version using the &quot;svn
+upgrade&quot; command. Otherwise, every &quot;svn&quot; operation does not work at all.
+
+2. The included patch is required to fix the &quot;mgarepo submit&quot; command:
+
+--- /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/MgaRepo/svn.py.orig 2011-11-10 20:38:12.188303496 +0200
++++ /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/MgaRepo/svn.py 2011-11-10 20:38:15.464303602 +0200
+@@ -192,7 +192,7 @@
+ def info(self, path, **kwargs):
+ cmd = [&quot;info&quot;, path + '@' if '@' in path else path]
+ status, output = self._execsvn(local=True, noerror=True, *cmd, **kwargs)
+- if &quot;Not a versioned resource&quot; not in output:
++ if ((&quot;Not a versioned resource&quot; not in output) and (&quot;svn: warning: W155010&quot; not in output)):
+ return output.splitlines()
+ return None
+
+So we may wish to delay the upgrade until mgarepo is fixed and until after the
+first Mageia 2 alpha.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+--
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
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+Rethinking CPAN - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/rethinking-cpan">http://shlom.in/rethinking-cpan</A>
+
+You name it &#8212; COBOL does not have it.
+
+Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> .
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 11 novembre 2011 12:17:36, Shlomi Fish a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> So we may wish to delay the upgrade until mgarepo is fixed and until after
+</I>&gt;<i> the first Mageia 2 alpha.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I agree both. Please submit first a mgarepo which works with both svn 1.6 and
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+<PRE>Hi there
+
+Here is the call for participation for next FOSDEM (Bruxelles - 4 and
+5 February 2012). Would be nice to have Mageia for one conference at
+least. If you have any idea about subject please make some proposal.
+Can be about technical subject but also organization...
+
+Cheers
+
+
+---------- Forwarded message ----------
+From: Wouter Verhelst &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">wouter at debian.org</A>&gt;
+Date: 2011/11/11
+Subject: [FOSDEM] Cross-Distribution devroom: Call for Participation
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fosdem at lists.fosdem.org</A>, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">distributions at lists.fosdem.org</A>
+
+
+Hi,
+
+Now that the word is out on the list of accepted devrooms, we can sure
+expect many calls for participation from the many devrooms on this list.
+Let me be the first (I hope):
+
+There will again be a cross-distribution miniconference at FOSDEM this
+year. People or distribution projects who are interested in joining it
+are hereby invited to communicate that desire.
+
+For practical purposes, I would like to request that one person steps
+forward from each involved distributions devroom, so that we can list
+the participating projects on our website (as during previous years),
+but also so that I have some contact within each project in case it's
+needed.
+
+People interested in holding a session should let that intention be
+known on the <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">distributions at lists.fosdem.org</A> mailinglist, with the
+following information:
+
+- Their name
+- A (short) bio, to be put on the website along with their speaker name
+- (optionally) a picture of themselves
+- The title of their session (which will go on the website and in the
+&#160;booklet)
+- A (short) abstract describing the session in further detail.
+- The desired approximate duration for the session.
+
+Sessions can be talks, round tables, BoFs, or any number of other things
+that could generally benefit from an audience of distributions
+developers. In the case of BoF or round table sessions, note that I will
+still consider the submitter to be the 'speaker', though their role will
+probably be more something of a moderator.
+
+The deadline for submissions is December 22nd.
+
+--
+The volume of a pizza of thickness a and radius z can be described by
+the following formula:
+
+pi zz a
+_______________________________________________
+FOSDEM mailing list
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">FOSDEM at lists.fosdem.org</A>
+<A HREF="https://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/fosdem">https://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/fosdem</A>
+
+
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Fwd%3A%20%5BFOSDEM%5D%20Cross-Distribution%20devroom%3A%20Call%20for%0A%09Participation&In-Reply-To=%3C201111112009.06839.alien%40rmail.be%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Cross-Distribution devroom: Call for Participation">alien at rmail.be
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+ <I>Fri Nov 11 20:09:06 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>How about something about the difficulties of maintaining projects that don't
+have some kind of LTS concept (or don't even care about older versions), that
+could easily be crossdistro. (i'm thinking of Google, Mozilla, KDE (kmail1),
+etc... )
+
+Op vrijdag 11 november 2011 18:21:42 schreef Anne nicolas:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is the call for participation for next FOSDEM (Bruxelles - 4 and
+</I>&gt;<i> 5 February 2012). Would be nice to have Mageia for one conference at
+</I>&gt;<i> least. If you have any idea about subject please make some proposal.
+</I>&gt;<i> Can be about technical subject but also organization...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Wouter Verhelst &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">wouter at debian.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: 2011/11/11
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: [FOSDEM] Cross-Distribution devroom: Call for Participation
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fosdem at lists.fosdem.org</A>, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">distributions at lists.fosdem.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now that the word is out on the list of accepted devrooms, we can sure
+</I>&gt;<i> expect many calls for participation from the many devrooms on this list.
+</I>&gt;<i> Let me be the first (I hope):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There will again be a cross-distribution miniconference at FOSDEM this
+</I>&gt;<i> year. People or distribution projects who are interested in joining it
+</I>&gt;<i> are hereby invited to communicate that desire.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For practical purposes, I would like to request that one person steps
+</I>&gt;<i> forward from each involved distributions devroom, so that we can list
+</I>&gt;<i> the participating projects on our website (as during previous years),
+</I>&gt;<i> but also so that I have some contact within each project in case it's
+</I>&gt;<i> needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> People interested in holding a session should let that intention be
+</I>&gt;<i> known on the <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">distributions at lists.fosdem.org</A> mailinglist, with the
+</I>&gt;<i> following information:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Their name
+</I>&gt;<i> - A (short) bio, to be put on the website along with their speaker name
+</I>&gt;<i> - (optionally) a picture of themselves
+</I>&gt;<i> - The title of their session (which will go on the website and in the
+</I>&gt;<i> booklet)
+</I>&gt;<i> - A (short) abstract describing the session in further detail.
+</I>&gt;<i> - The desired approximate duration for the session.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sessions can be talks, round tables, BoFs, or any number of other things
+</I>&gt;<i> that could generally benefit from an audience of distributions
+</I>&gt;<i> developers. In the case of BoF or round table sessions, note that I will
+</I>&gt;<i> still consider the submitter to be the 'speaker', though their role will
+</I>&gt;<i> probably be more something of a moderator.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The deadline for submissions is December 22nd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> The volume of a pizza of thickness a and radius z can be described by
+</I>&gt;<i> the following formula:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> pi zz a
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> FOSDEM mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">FOSDEM at lists.fosdem.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/fosdem">https://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/fosdem</A>
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+<PRE>Am 09.11.2011 23:37, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 21:40 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 09.11.2011 21:15, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For the icons, what is the problem exactly, ie what icons are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> copyrighted ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Only linked the ml thread for the icons for reference. It is not said
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which are trademarked (and more important by whom) i guess it could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be seen as a derivated work to the original lemmings game from DMA design.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But as the game pingus is existing, and has not been sued,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i don't think they have a valid point there.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe the problem is somewhere else, like a icon of windows, stuff like
+</I>&gt;<i> that. Hence the question.
+</I>No, only animated penguins in there, I've attached the compressed
+directory if you want to take a look.
+
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3C4EBD7649.4090008%40free.fr%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2">neoclust.kde at free.fr
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+<PRE>Le 07/11/2011 18:37, Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello neoclust,
+</I>&gt;<i> We found a conflict regarding digikam packaging (yes i know you're the one in
+</I>&gt;<i> charge :p )
+</I>
+hi,
+
+please take a look to this commit that fixes this conflicts :
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+<A HREF="https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/graphics/digikam/repository/revisions/beecc2628e0c4ad3a9a44b28a88360b391048c7d">https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/graphics/digikam/repository/revisions/beecc2628e0c4ad3a9a44b28a88360b391048c7d</A>
+
+
+( from <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286034">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286034</A> )
+
+Bye
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le lundi 7 novembre 2011 17:00:23 Donald Stewart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We have conflicts:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ############################################# Installation failed: file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/share/icons/oxygen/128x128/apps/digikam.png from install of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> digikam-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/apps/digikam.png from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install of digikam-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> [..]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/22x22/apps/showfoto.png from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install of showfoto-1:2.3.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package oxygen-icon-theme-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> thoses files where initially available in usr/share/icons/hicolor/*/apps for
+</I>&gt;<i> digikam&lt; 2.3.0&amp; available in /usr/share/icons/oxygen/*/apps on our oxygen-
+</I>&gt;<i> icon-theme.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So should we drop thoses files from oxygen-icon-theme, patch digikam to put
+</I>&gt;<i> thoses files where they were installed initially ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+[...]
+Hi Jedi Master,
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> please take a look to this commit that fixes this conflicts :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/graphics/digikam/repository/rev">https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/graphics/digikam/repository/rev</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> isions/beecc2628e0c4ad3a9a44b28a88360b391048c7d
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ( from <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286034">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286034</A> )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+Thanks, so as i thought the solution was to fix digikam &amp; not oxygen-icon-theme
+
+I'll fix it.
+
+Regards,
+
+--
+Balcaen John
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+<PRE>Le 11/11/2011 22:11, Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 11 novembre 2011 16:23:53, Nicolas L. a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Jedi Master,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> please take a look to this commit that fixes this conflicts :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/graphics/digikam/repository/rev">https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/graphics/digikam/repository/rev</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> isions/beecc2628e0c4ad3a9a44b28a88360b391048c7d
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ( from <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286034">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286034</A> )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks, so as i thought the solution was to fix digikam&amp; not oxygen-icon-theme
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll fix it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>thank you.
+
+And don't hesitate to ask again for any digikam related packaging
+questions :)
+
+Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+Digikam Release Manager.
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+ <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B>
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+As far I'm the maintainer of tar, can you ask me before pushing a new
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
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+<PRE>Well, as you may see, it is just a plain rebuid:
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+$ LC_ALL=C rpm -qp --changelog tar-1.26-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+* Wed Apr 13 2011 tv &lt;tv&gt; 1.26-1.mga1
++ Revision: 84589
+- new release
+
+* Sat Jan 08 2011 blino &lt;blino&gt; 1.25-1.mga1
++ Revision: 543
+- imported package tar
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+* &#20845; 1&#26376; 08 2011 blino &lt;blino&gt; 1.25-1.mga1
++ Revision: 543
+- imported package tar
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+2011/11/12 Sandro CAZZANIGA &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi fwang,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As far I'm the maintainer of tar, can you ask me before pushing a new
+</I>&gt;<i> release? Now if there's bugs, can you assume them?
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 23:48 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 09.11.2011 23:37, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 09 novembre 2011 &#224; 21:40 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Am 09.11.2011 21:15, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; For the icons, what is the problem exactly, ie what icons are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; copyrighted ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Only linked the ml thread for the icons for reference. It is not said
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; which are trademarked (and more important by whom) i guess it could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; be seen as a derivated work to the original lemmings game from DMA design.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But as the game pingus is existing, and has not been sued,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i don't think they have a valid point there.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe the problem is somewhere else, like a icon of windows, stuff like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that. Hence the question.
+</I>&gt;<i> No, only animated penguins in there, I've attached the compressed
+</I>&gt;<i> directory if you want to take a look.
+</I>
+I guess the superman could have been a issue ( dc-comics want to make
+sure the trademark is well defended ). But that seems far fetched since
+pingus is in fedora.
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+The tarball cairo-dock-plugins has however some trademarked icons in
+Scooby-Do/data ( ebay, amazon, firefox, yahoo ).
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+--
+Michael Scherer
+--
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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+<PRE>Le samedi 12 novembre 2011 05:40:19, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Well, as you may see, it is just a plain rebuid:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ LC_ALL=C rpm -qp --changelog tar-1.26-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+</I>[...]
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+</I>&gt;<i> * &#20845; 1&#26376; 08 2011 blino &lt;blino&gt; 1.25-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 543
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package tar
+</I>[...]
+It's strange some of the changelog does not follow LC_ALL=C while it's working
+here. I can't reproduce here btw.
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+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-ID: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+ <B>Kamil Rytarowski</B>
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+<PRE>Let me paste from the Arch Linux wiki documentation:
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+--
+Difference between qemu and qemu-kvm
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+Depending on your needs, you can choose either to install upstream qemu
+or qemu-kvm from the official repositories.
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+Upstream QEMU is a pure emulator, with no hardware acceleration. qemu
+versions &lt; 0.15.0 do have initial KVM support when QEMU is started with
+the -enable-kvm parameter, but this implementation is still buggy and
+nowhere as complete as in qemu-kvm, as many functions still do not work.
+Starting with qemu version 0.15.0, the qemu-kvm tree has been fully
+integrated with the qemu tree, and there should not be any difference
+between qemu -enable-kvm and qemu-kvm. See the [QEMU changelog] for more
+details.
+
+Upstream QEMU is capable of emulating many different platforms (arm,
+i386, m68k, mips, ppc, sparc, x86_64, etc). On the other hand, you have
+qemu-kvm, which is qemu (i386 and x86_64 architecture support only) with
+KVM (kernel-based virtual machine) additions, allowing you to run
+virtual machines at close to native speed. qemu-kvm is the version you
+want if you have a CPU that supports hardware virtualization and you
+only need to run virtual machines for the i386 and x86_64 architectures
+(Linux, Windows, BSD, etc).
+
+Not all processors support KVM. You will need an x86-based machine
+running a recent ( &gt;= 2.6.22 ) Linux kernel on an Intel processor with
+VT-x (virtualization technology) extensions or an AMD processor with SVM
+(Secure Virtual Machine) extensions (also called AMD-V). Xen has a
+complete list of compatible processors. For Intel processors, see also
+the Intel&#174; Virtualization Technology List.
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/QEMU#Difference_between_qemu_and_qemu-kvm">https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/QEMU#Difference_between_qemu_and_qemu-kvm</A>
+--
+
+
+And now from the qemu changelog
+~~
+KVM
+Common
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+ Countless fixes ported over from qemu-kvm, core is now shared with
+that tree, i.e. has the same quality
+ Pimped up threading model, now fully synchronized with qemu-kvm tree
+ Removed dependency on external kernel headers, all supported KVM
+features are now built into the binary
+
+<A HREF="http://wiki.qemu.org/ChangeLog/0.15#KVM">http://wiki.qemu.org/ChangeLog/0.15#KVM</A>
+~~
+
+What do you think? Can we move?
+
+There is also one important patch missed in Mageia -
+<A HREF="http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html">http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html</A> it's
+dependency for the GNS3 simulator. OpenSUSE already includes it
+<A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools">https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools</A>
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+If nobody is against I will do it and contact the maintainer (misc).
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+ <B>Anne Nicolas</B>
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+<PRE>Le 12/11/2011 16:44, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Let me paste from the Arch Linux wiki documentation:
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+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Difference between qemu and qemu-kvm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Depending on your needs, you can choose either to install upstream qemu
+</I>&gt;<i> or qemu-kvm from the official repositories.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Upstream QEMU is a pure emulator, with no hardware acceleration. qemu
+</I>&gt;<i> versions &lt; 0.15.0 do have initial KVM support when QEMU is started with
+</I>&gt;<i> the -enable-kvm parameter, but this implementation is still buggy and
+</I>&gt;<i> nowhere as complete as in qemu-kvm, as many functions still do not work.
+</I>&gt;<i> Starting with qemu version 0.15.0, the qemu-kvm tree has been fully
+</I>&gt;<i> integrated with the qemu tree, and there should not be any difference
+</I>&gt;<i> between qemu -enable-kvm and qemu-kvm. See the [QEMU changelog] for more
+</I>&gt;<i> details.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Upstream QEMU is capable of emulating many different platforms (arm,
+</I>&gt;<i> i386, m68k, mips, ppc, sparc, x86_64, etc). On the other hand, you have
+</I>&gt;<i> qemu-kvm, which is qemu (i386 and x86_64 architecture support only) with
+</I>&gt;<i> KVM (kernel-based virtual machine) additions, allowing you to run
+</I>&gt;<i> virtual machines at close to native speed. qemu-kvm is the version you
+</I>&gt;<i> want if you have a CPU that supports hardware virtualization and you
+</I>&gt;<i> only need to run virtual machines for the i386 and x86_64 architectures
+</I>&gt;<i> (Linux, Windows, BSD, etc).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not all processors support KVM. You will need an x86-based machine
+</I>&gt;<i> running a recent ( &gt;= 2.6.22 ) Linux kernel on an Intel processor with
+</I>&gt;<i> VT-x (virtualization technology) extensions or an AMD processor with SVM
+</I>&gt;<i> (Secure Virtual Machine) extensions (also called AMD-V). Xen has a
+</I>&gt;<i> complete list of compatible processors. For Intel processors, see also
+</I>&gt;<i> the Intel&#174; Virtualization Technology List.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/QEMU#Difference_between_qemu_and_qemu-kvm">https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/QEMU#Difference_between_qemu_and_qemu-kvm</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And now from the qemu changelog
+</I>&gt;<i> ~~
+</I>&gt;<i> KVM
+</I>&gt;<i> Common
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Countless fixes ported over from qemu-kvm, core is now shared with
+</I>&gt;<i> that tree, i.e. has the same quality
+</I>&gt;<i> Pimped up threading model, now fully synchronized with qemu-kvm tree
+</I>&gt;<i> Removed dependency on external kernel headers, all supported KVM
+</I>&gt;<i> features are now built into the binary
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.qemu.org/ChangeLog/0.15#KVM">http://wiki.qemu.org/ChangeLog/0.15#KVM</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ~~
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think? Can we move?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is also one important patch missed in Mageia -
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html">http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html</A> it's
+</I>&gt;<i> dependency for the GNS3 simulator. OpenSUSE already includes it
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools">https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If nobody is against I will do it and contact the maintainer (misc).
+</I>
+ You should also contact pterjan wo was maintainer for a long time
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+ <I>Sat Nov 12 20:20:26 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Le samedi 12 novembre 2011 &#224; 16:44 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> There is also one important patch missed in Mageia -
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html">http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html</A> it's
+</I>&gt;<i> dependency for the GNS3 simulator. OpenSUSE already includes it
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools">https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If nobody is against I will do it and contact the maintainer (misc).
+</I>
+I prefer to wait on the stable release ( ie, no rc1 ).
+We will wait on stable version of qemu.
+
+And no patch unless it comes from upstream ( and even, I am not keen on
+backporting feature, better wait for stable release ).
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>On 12.11.2011 20:20, Michael Scherer wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 12 novembre 2011 &#224; 16:44 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is also one important patch missed in Mageia -
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html">http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html</A> it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dependency for the GNS3 simulator. OpenSUSE already includes it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools">https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If nobody is against I will do it and contact the maintainer (misc).
+</I>&gt;<i> I prefer to wait on the stable release ( ie, no rc1 ).
+</I>&gt;<i> We will wait on stable version of qemu.
+</I>OK
+&gt;<i> And no patch unless it comes from upstream ( and even, I am not keen on
+</I>&gt;<i> backporting feature, better wait for stable release ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>GNS3 is already in stable! This package is broken - no dynamips (=no
+router emulation at all...), no patched qemu (no virtualization support
+at all...) According to the developers and their online documentation
+for package maintainers <A HREF="http://forum.gns3.net/post11571.html">http://forum.gns3.net/post11571.html</A> UDP patched
+Qemu is dependency/very important.
+
+We must fix the package and provide at least not so heavy broken ones...
+
+I've prepared new version of GNS3, included into svn dynamips and
+xdotool (this one suggested) - these I can maintain with my mentor, so I
+ask for patch qemu in stable versus UDP support.
+
+Regards
+
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+ <B>Charles A Edwards</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%20iptables-1.4.12.1-7.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3C20111112202738.5635c915%40SuperSize.eslrahc.com%3E"
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+<PRE>On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:45:30 +0100 (CET)
+Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name : iptables Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 1.4.12.1 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 7.mga2 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Sun Nov 13 00:43:13 2011 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: = Group : System/Kernel and hardware Source RPM:
+</I>&gt;<i> (none) Size : 528371 License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://netfilter.org/">http://netfilter.org/</A>
+</I>
+
+
+25/25: iptables ###############################
+Cannot find iptables service
+Usage: service -[Rfshv] SERVICE ARGUMENTS
+ -f|--full-restart: Do a fullrestart of the service.
+ -R|--full-restart-all: Do a fullrestart of all running
+services. -s|--status-all: Print a status of all services.
+ --ignore-dependencies: Do not start required systemd services
+ --skip-redirect: Do not redirect to systemd
+ -d|--debug: Launch with debug.
+ -h|--help: This help.
+warning: %post(iptables-1.4.12.1-6.mga2.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit
+status 1
+
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+ Charles
+
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+--
+There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right
+keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
+ -- J.S. Bach
+----------------------
+Mageia release 2 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+Registered Linux user #182463
+3.0.8-tmb-server-1.mga2 x86_64
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+ <B>Jos&#233; Jorge</B>
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+<PRE>hi,
+
+I'll end losing my account ;-)
+
+I submitted by error several packages to core instead of nonfree :
+- lure
+- lure-fr
+- lure-es
+- lure-de
+- lure-it
+- drascula
+
+Can a sysadmin please remove it.
+
+Thanks
+
+zezinho
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+<PRE>Le samedi 12 novembre 2011 &#224; 21:11 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 12.11.2011 20:20, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 12 novembre 2011 &#224; 16:44 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; There is also one important patch missed in Mageia -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html">http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html</A> it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; dependency for the GNS3 simulator. OpenSUSE already includes it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools">https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If nobody is against I will do it and contact the maintainer (misc).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I prefer to wait on the stable release ( ie, no rc1 ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We will wait on stable version of qemu.
+</I>&gt;<i> OK
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And no patch unless it comes from upstream ( and even, I am not keen on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backporting feature, better wait for stable release ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> GNS3 is already in stable! This package is broken - no dynamips (=no
+</I>&gt;<i> router emulation at all...), no patched qemu (no virtualization support
+</I>&gt;<i> at all...) According to the developers and their online documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> for package maintainers <A HREF="http://forum.gns3.net/post11571.html">http://forum.gns3.net/post11571.html</A> UDP patched
+</I>&gt;<i> Qemu is dependency/very important.
+</I>
+The fact that someone pushed a broken package is not a good reason to
+add patches to qemu. We have too many patches on a general scale, and I
+do not want to end with a 2nd package like gdb.
+
+Patches make harder to upgrade, harder to make sure security is done
+correctly, and harder to ensure stuff are working ( since we are on our
+own when we patch something ).
+
+So for the patches, make sure it is upstream ( and given the discussion
+on ml, it should be soon ) and then in a tarball ( again, given that's a
+rc 1, that should be ok soon ).
+
+&gt;<i> We must fix the package and provide at least not so heavy broken ones...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've prepared new version of GNS3, included into svn dynamips and
+</I>&gt;<i> xdotool (this one suggested) - these I can maintain with my mentor, so I
+</I>&gt;<i> ask for patch qemu in stable versus UDP support.
+</I>
+Updates are not supposed to get new features, so that's no. And again,
+maybe people could do more tests before pushing broken rpm to stable
+( like gsn3 ).
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>2011/11/13 Jos&#233; Jorge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll end losing my account ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I submitted by error several packages to core instead of nonfree :
+</I>&gt;<i> - lure
+</I>&gt;<i> - lure-fr
+</I>&gt;<i> - lure-es
+</I>&gt;<i> - lure-de
+</I>&gt;<i> - lure-it
+</I>&gt;<i> - drascula
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can a sysadmin please remove it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> zezinho
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i just removed them, please push then on the good media now.
+
+don't forget --define section non-free/release :)
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+<PRE>On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:05 PM, D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/11/13 Jos&#233; Jorge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll end losing my account ;-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I submitted by error several packages to core instead of nonfree :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - lure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - lure-fr
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - lure-es
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - lure-de
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - lure-it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - drascula
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can a sysadmin please remove it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> zezinho
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i just removed them, please push then on the good media now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> don't forget --define section non-free/release :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+or better nonfree
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+<PRE>Charles A Edwards skrev 13.11.2011 03:27:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:45:30 +0100 (CET)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Team&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : iptables Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 1.4.12.1 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 7.mga2 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sun Nov 13 00:43:13 2011 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: = Group : System/Kernel and hardware Source RPM:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (none) Size : 528371 License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team&lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://netfilter.org/">http://netfilter.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 25/25: iptables ###############################
+</I>&gt;<i> Cannot find iptables service
+</I>&gt;<i> Usage: service -[Rfshv] SERVICE ARGUMENTS
+</I>&gt;<i> -f|--full-restart: Do a fullrestart of the service.
+</I>&gt;<i> -R|--full-restart-all: Do a fullrestart of all running
+</I>&gt;<i> services. -s|--status-all: Print a status of all services.
+</I>&gt;<i> --ignore-dependencies: Do not start required systemd services
+</I>&gt;<i> --skip-redirect: Do not redirect to systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> -d|--debug: Launch with debug.
+</I>&gt;<i> -h|--help: This help.
+</I>&gt;<i> warning: %post(iptables-1.4.12.1-6.mga2.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit
+</I>&gt;<i> status 1
+</I>
+Yep.
+
+iptables (or the add/del_service helper scripts) are currently broken on
+systemd too (even before my fixes) as we have found out during alpha1
+iso qa...
+
+Will try to fix later tonight unless someone else beats me to it.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:05 PM, D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/13 Jos&#233; Jorge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'll end losing my account ;-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I submitted by error several packages to core instead of nonfree :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - lure
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - lure-fr
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - lure-es
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - lure-de
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - lure-it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - drascula
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can a sysadmin please remove it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> zezinho
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i just removed them, please push then on the good media now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't forget --define section non-free/release :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or better nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+and '=' instead of ' ' between 'section' and 'nonfree'.
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+Anssi Hannula
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 12 novembre 2011 &#224; 21:11 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 12.11.2011 20:20, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 12 novembre 2011 &#224; 16:44 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There is also one important patch missed in Mageia -
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html">http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html</A> it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dependency for the GNS3 simulator. OpenSUSE already includes it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools">https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If nobody is against I will do it and contact the maintainer (misc).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I prefer to wait on the stable release ( ie, no rc1 ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We will wait on stable version of qemu.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And no patch unless it comes from upstream ( and even, I am not keen on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backporting feature, better wait for stable release ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> GNS3 is already in stable! This package is broken - no dynamips (=no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> router emulation at all...), no patched qemu (no virtualization support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at all...) According to the developers and their online documentation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for package maintainers <A HREF="http://forum.gns3.net/post11571.html">http://forum.gns3.net/post11571.html</A> UDP patched
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Qemu is dependency/very important.
+</I>&gt;<i> The fact that someone pushed a broken package is not a good reason to
+</I>&gt;<i> add patches to qemu.
+</I>OK, but I don't understand this.
+
+Why to keep defunct packages (this could be at least &quot;major+ issue&quot; on
+our bugzilla) in stable and don't even want to fix, ignore this academic
+software (with maybe overall 1 000 000* downloads and 100 000 regular
+users), and to support... the inadvisable opinion of Mageia around.. at
+least the GNS3 users.
+
+* 799 968 Windows Downloads (just from the sourceforge mirrors) of the
+latest Windows binary of GNS3 (source
+<A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/gns-3/files/GNS3/0.7.4/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/gns-3/files/GNS3/0.7.4/</A>)
+
+&gt;<i> We have too many patches on a general scale, and I
+</I>&gt;<i> do not want to end with a 2nd package like gdb.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Patches make harder to upgrade, harder to make sure security is done
+</I>&gt;<i> correctly, and harder to ensure stuff are working ( since we are on our
+</I>&gt;<i> own when we patch something ).
+</I>&gt;<i> So for the patches, make sure it is upstream
+</I>It's not qemu upstream, it's GNS3 and its community upstream.
+
+&gt;<i> ( and given the discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> on ml, it should be soon )
+</I>When I ask the developers, they don't know if qemu will include the
+patch at all and when (now or after one year) and they suggested to do
+the openSUSE way (today the most recommended and full featured Linux
+distro for GNS3).
+&gt;<i> and then in a tarball ( again, given that's a
+</I>&gt;<i> rc 1, that should be ok soon ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We must fix the package and provide at least not so heavy broken ones...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've prepared new version of GNS3, included into svn dynamips and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> xdotool (this one suggested) - these I can maintain with my mentor, so I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ask for patch qemu in stable versus UDP support.
+</I>&gt;<i> Updates are not supposed to get new features,
+</I>Well this is a special case - the bugfix provides the feature, or the
+feature provides the bugfix.
+&gt;<i> so that's no. And again,
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe people could do more tests before pushing broken rpm to stable
+</I>&gt;<i> ( like gsn3 ).
+</I>
+OK. So if gns3 can't be fixed for the stable - than should be removed
+from the repos (for ISOs is to late).
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+If we don't provide qemu patch, then gns3 should be removed from
+Cauldron as well.
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+I believe removing GNS3 is better than keeping it broken and.. irritate
+people (I don't count the opinion of our quality). Later some 3rd party
+repos can provide GNS3 and its dependencies.
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+Kamil Rytarowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at ...</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> Are there any other voices, suggestions or comments?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think to start the project just after the first alpha.
+</I>
+I can testify that Hunspell is under active development; recently even the
+functionality to support compound words with hyphenation in Dutch and Greek was
+improved. The Dutch spelling and grammar project &#8216;Opentaal&#8217; is in close contact
+with the people behind Hunspell.
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+One other remark: Abiword depends on Enchant for its spellchecking capabilities.
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+regards,
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+--
+Reinout van Schouwen
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+ <B>Thomas Spuhler</B>
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+<PRE>On Sunday, November 13, 2011 03:51:41 pm Reinout van Schouwen wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi Kamil,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Kamil Rytarowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Are there any other voices, suggestions or comments?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think to start the project just after the first alpha.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can testify that Hunspell is under active development; recently even the
+</I>&gt;<i> functionality to support compound words with hyphenation in Dutch and Greek
+</I>&gt;<i> was improved. The Dutch spelling and grammar project &#8216;Opentaal&#8217; is in
+</I>&gt;<i> close contact with the people behind Hunspell.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One other remark: Abiword depends on Enchant for its spellchecking
+</I>&gt;<i> capabilities.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>I would support using one spell-checker. We don't have the bandwidth to do
+both. We still have &gt; 2000 packages without a maintainer.
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+--
+Thomas
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+<PRE>On 7 November 2011 01:40, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision 2130 Author dmorgan Date 2011-11-07 01:40:34 +0100 (Mon, 07 Nov
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Update NEWS
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+You should have updated install/NEWS since you released a installer and not
+drakxtools
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+&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS
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+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS 2011-11-07 00:29:10 UTC (rev 2129)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS 2011-11-07 00:40:34 UTC (rev 2130)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,4 +1,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> --ync with kernel-3.1.0-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> +Version 13.67 - 07 November 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> +- Add initial Systemd support
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +- sync with kernel-3.1.0-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> * add hid devices:
+</I>&gt;<i> hid-keytouch, hid-uclogic
+</I>&gt;<i> * add sas/raid driver:
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+&gt;<i> spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 3.6.3-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 167495
+</I>&gt;<i> - upgrade to 3.6.3
+</I>
+A requested package cannot be installed:
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+ <B>Jos&#233; Jorge</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20dos2unix&In-Reply-To=%3C201111140949.21665.jjorge%40free.fr%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] dos2unix">jjorge at free.fr
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+ <I>Mon Nov 14 09:49:21 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>We use for now a dos2unix unmaintained since 2008 :
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+<A HREF="http://hany.sk/~hany/_data/hd2u/?C=M;O=D">http://hany.sk/~hany/_data/hd2u/?C=M;O=D</A>
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+Can I switch to a maintained version, used by Fedora and Debian :
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+<A HREF="http://waterlan.home.xs4all.nl/dos2unix.html">http://waterlan.home.xs4all.nl/dos2unix.html</A>
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20dos2unix&In-Reply-To=%3C4EC0D846.5040807%40mageia.org%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] dos2unix">tmb at mageia.org
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+<PRE>Jos&#233; Jorge skrev 14.11.2011 10:49:
+&gt;<i> We use for now a dos2unix unmaintained since 2008 :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://hany.sk/~hany/_data/hd2u/?C=M;O=D">http://hany.sk/~hany/_data/hd2u/?C=M;O=D</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Can I switch to a maintained version, used by Fedora and Debian :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://waterlan.home.xs4all.nl/dos2unix.html">http://waterlan.home.xs4all.nl/dos2unix.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Thomas
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+<PRE>Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at ...</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; One other remark: Abiword depends on Enchant for its spellchecking
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; capabilities.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> I would support using one spell-checker. We don't have the bandwidth to do
+</I>&gt;<i> both. We still have &gt; 2000 packages without a maintainer.
+</I>
+Just to be clear here: Enchant isn't a full-fledged spell checker but a thin
+wrapper around one or more spell checkers such as aspell or hunspell.
+As such, it requires very little maintenance in return for very
+useful functionality.
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+regards,
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+--
+Reinout van Schouwen
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Should be done automatically in %post.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> See memtest86+ for example
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well I thought about this, but memtest86+ adds a totally new entry,
+</I>&gt;<i> should we do the same here, should it only be done for the current
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel, how would it handle kernel updates, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At present I'm happy to enable it manually when needed, but if people
+</I>&gt;<i> want it to be more automatic and appear as a boot entry in grub, then
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm happy enough to do that.
+</I>
+Like we have a &quot;linux safe&quot; entry only for the main entry (the vmlinuz symlink)
+and not for every installed kernels (multiples instances of multiples favors
+(main one, tmb, rt, linus, ...)), I think we can have a &quot;linux boot timing&quot;
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+<PRE>On Saturday, 12 November 2011 22:11:31 Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 12.11.2011 20:20, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 12 novembre 2011 &#224; 16:44 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; There is also one important patch missed in Mageia -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html">http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html</A> it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; dependency for the GNS3 simulator. OpenSUSE already includes it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3">https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ATools
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If nobody is against I will do it and contact the maintainer (misc).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I prefer to wait on the stable release ( ie, no rc1 ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We will wait on stable version of qemu.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And no patch unless it comes from upstream ( and even, I am not keen on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backporting feature, better wait for stable release ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> GNS3 is already in stable! This package is broken - no dynamips (=no
+</I>&gt;<i> router emulation at all...),
+</I>
+Well, for me, I upgraded from Mandriva, and AFAIK there has been no new
+release of dynamips in the past year =&gt; grab the package from Mandriva for
+nwo, and log an enhancement bug (you can assign to me) for dynamips.
+
+
+&gt;<i> no patched qemu (no virtualization support
+</I>&gt;<i> at all...) According to the developers and their online documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> for package maintainers <A HREF="http://forum.gns3.net/post11571.html">http://forum.gns3.net/post11571.html</A> UDP patched
+</I>&gt;<i> Qemu is dependency/very important.
+</I>
+Can you provide a bit more information on what GNS3 feature needs this patched
+qemu? I have in the past hooked up my kvm VMs to dynamips routers (before
+GNS3).
+
+Is this for Pix emulation, or just for launching generic virtual
+machines/emulated hardware as part of your lab?
+
+I really don't think the Pix emulation (I have never seen a maintained patch)
+is ready for anyone to include it ... but I haven't looked recently.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We must fix the package and provide at least not so heavy broken ones...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've prepared new version of GNS3, included into svn dynamips
+</I>
+Did you base it on the existing Mandriva package?
+
+&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;<i> xdotool (this one suggested) - these I can maintain with my mentor, so I
+</I>&gt;<i> ask for patch qemu in stable versus UDP support.
+</I>
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+Regards,
+Buchan
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+I still have a computer on mandriva cooker, and they did the split of
+texlive in many packages (a long standing discussion on cooker as far as
+remember due to the size of texlive).
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+Now, I don't know if someone there is actually using &quot;texlive&quot;, but the
+resulting monster is completely unusable. Like, if you want to process a
+document, you have to resort to ten of urpmf to find the required files
+in independent packages that have names not really related to their
+content (and there are literally hundred of them!!). Which means no
+chance for normal people to use latex anymore :-/
+
+So, from userland, please let's not do that. I am happy to give my
+user's experience if someone would like to split texlive of course!
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+cheers,
+Chris.
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>On 11/14/2011 03:49 AM, Jos&#233; Jorge wrote:
+&gt;<i> We use for now a dos2unix unmaintained since 2008 :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://hany.sk/~hany/_data/hd2u/?C=M;O=D">http://hany.sk/~hany/_data/hd2u/?C=M;O=D</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can I switch to a maintained version, used by Fedora and Debian :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://waterlan.home.xs4all.nl/dos2unix.html">http://waterlan.home.xs4all.nl/dos2unix.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> zezinho
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'm OK with that, but how much maintenance does dos2unix really need ? :-)
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+<PRE>On Sunday, 13 November 2011 23:32:45 Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 13.11.2011 10:58, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 12 novembre 2011 &#224; 21:11 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 12.11.2011 20:20, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Le samedi 12 novembre 2011 &#224; 16:44 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; There is also one important patch missed in Mageia -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html">http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; it's dependency for the GNS3 simulator. OpenSUSE already includes it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUS">https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUS</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; E%3ATools
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; If nobody is against I will do it and contact the maintainer (misc).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I prefer to wait on the stable release ( ie, no rc1 ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; We will wait on stable version of qemu.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; OK
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; And no patch unless it comes from upstream ( and even, I am not keen on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; backporting feature, better wait for stable release ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GNS3 is already in stable! This package is broken - no dynamips (=no
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; router emulation at all...), no patched qemu (no virtualization support
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; at all...) According to the developers and their online documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; for package maintainers <A HREF="http://forum.gns3.net/post11571.html">http://forum.gns3.net/post11571.html</A> UDP patched
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Qemu is dependency/very important.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The fact that someone pushed a broken package is not a good reason to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; add patches to qemu.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, but I don't understand this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why to keep defunct packages (this could be at least &quot;major+ issue&quot; on
+</I>&gt;<i> our bugzilla) in stable and don't even want to fix, ignore this academic
+</I>&gt;<i> software (with maybe overall 1 000 000* downloads and 100 000 regular
+</I>&gt;<i> users), and to support... the inadvisable opinion of Mageia around.. at
+</I>&gt;<i> least the GNS3 users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * 799 968 Windows Downloads (just from the sourceforge mirrors) of the
+</I>&gt;<i> latest Windows binary of GNS3 (source
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/gns-3/files/GNS3/0.7.4/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/gns-3/files/GNS3/0.7.4/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We have too many patches on a general scale, and I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; do not want to end with a 2nd package like gdb.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Patches make harder to upgrade, harder to make sure security is done
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; correctly, and harder to ensure stuff are working ( since we are on our
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; own when we patch something ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So for the patches, make sure it is upstream
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not qemu upstream, it's GNS3 and its community upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( and given the discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on ml, it should be soon )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When I ask the developers, they don't know if qemu will include the
+</I>&gt;<i> patch at all and when (now or after one year) and they suggested to do
+</I>&gt;<i> the openSUSE way (today the most recommended and full featured Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> distro for GNS3).
+</I>
+[...]
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK. So if gns3 can't be fixed for the stable - than should be removed
+</I>&gt;<i> from the repos (for ISOs is to late).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we don't provide qemu patch, then gns3 should be removed from
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I believe removing GNS3 is better than keeping it broken and.. irritate
+</I>&gt;<i> people (I don't count the opinion of our quality). Later some 3rd party
+</I>&gt;<i> repos can provide GNS3 and its dependencies.
+</I>
+You seem to imply that the only use of GNS3 is with this qemu patch.
+
+But I used GNS3 with just dynamips, and this issue of GNS3 not being usable at
+all due to missing dynamips can really be solved quite quickly just by
+shipping dynamips to updates.
+
+But, it looks like someone blindly imported gns3 and dynagen from Mandriva
+without even understanding the use of these tools:
+
+$ rpm -q --suggests dynagen
+dynamips &gt;= 0.2.8
+xterm
+
+(dynamips isn't explicitly required to be installed on the host with gns3 or
+dynagen, as the hypervisor can be run on a different host than dynagen/GNS3).
+
+Regards,
+Buchan
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+<PRE>On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:00 PM, EatDirt &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dirteat at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi guys,
+</I>&gt;<i> I still have a computer on mandriva cooker, and they did the split of
+</I>&gt;<i> texlive in many packages (a long standing discussion on cooker as far as
+</I>&gt;<i> remember due to the size of texlive).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, I don't know if someone there is actually using &quot;texlive&quot;, but the
+</I>&gt;<i> resulting monster is completely unusable. Like, if you want to process a
+</I>&gt;<i> document, you have to resort to ten of urpmf to find the required files in
+</I>&gt;<i> independent packages that have names not really related to their content
+</I>&gt;<i> (and there are literally hundred of them!!). Which means no chance for
+</I>&gt;<i> normal people to use latex anymore :-/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, from userland, please let's not do that. I am happy to give my user's
+</I>&gt;<i> experience if someone would like to split texlive of course!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Chris.
+</I>
+so maybe we won't follow :)
+
+I am still asking myself ( started some weeks ago ) how to proceed well.
+
+I think i should contact fedora texlive maintener to know his feeling
+about texlive packaging.
+
+Btw tks giving us your feeling ( this is appreciable ).
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 13 novembre 2011 &#224; 22:32 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 13.11.2011 10:58, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 12 novembre 2011 &#224; 21:11 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 12.11.2011 20:20, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Le samedi 12 novembre 2011 &#224; 16:44 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; There is also one important patch missed in Mageia -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html">http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html</A> it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; dependency for the GNS3 simulator. OpenSUSE already includes it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools">https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; If nobody is against I will do it and contact the maintainer (misc).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I prefer to wait on the stable release ( ie, no rc1 ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; We will wait on stable version of qemu.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; OK
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; And no patch unless it comes from upstream ( and even, I am not keen on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; backporting feature, better wait for stable release ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GNS3 is already in stable! This package is broken - no dynamips (=no
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; router emulation at all...), no patched qemu (no virtualization support
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; at all...) According to the developers and their online documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; for package maintainers <A HREF="http://forum.gns3.net/post11571.html">http://forum.gns3.net/post11571.html</A> UDP patched
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Qemu is dependency/very important.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The fact that someone pushed a broken package is not a good reason to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; add patches to qemu.
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, but I don't understand this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why to keep defunct packages (this could be at least &quot;major+ issue&quot; on
+</I>&gt;<i> our bugzilla) in stable and don't even want to fix, ignore this academic
+</I>&gt;<i> software (with maybe overall 1 000 000* downloads and 100 000 regular
+</I>&gt;<i> users), and to support... the inadvisable opinion of Mageia around.. at
+</I>&gt;<i> least the GNS3 users.
+</I>
+Let me rephrase again. Everybody sooner or later think &quot;that soft is
+great, but why do not add just a small patch there&quot;. That's just one
+patch, where is the problem ?
+
+The problem appear just after a few months, when the patch is still not
+upstream, and that someone who do not know C, python whatever has to
+take the software and maintain it. Or when someone who know how to
+program lose time rediffing the patch instead of doing something more
+useful. We face bugs that cannot be reproduced upstream, security
+problem that could be added in non reviewed patch by devs. Fragmentation
+in linux distributions are also caused by differents features, due to
+patchs.
+
+All of this need to be avoided, and I think we have enough problems with
+stuff that people do not want to take care of it to not add more burden,
+be it under the form of a small patch. All big collections start by one
+little stuff.
+
+
+&gt;<i> * 799 968 Windows Downloads (just from the sourceforge mirrors) of the
+</I>&gt;<i> latest Windows binary of GNS3 (source
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/gns-3/files/GNS3/0.7.4/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/gns-3/files/GNS3/0.7.4/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We have too many patches on a general scale, and I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; do not want to end with a 2nd package like gdb.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Patches make harder to upgrade, harder to make sure security is done
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; correctly, and harder to ensure stuff are working ( since we are on our
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; own when we patch something ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So for the patches, make sure it is upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not qemu upstream, it's GNS3 and its community upstream.
+</I>
+If you want to have a feature in qemu, the road is &quot;push it upstream&quot;.
+Once accepted upstream, it will sooner or later be in our packages.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; ( and given the discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on ml, it should be soon )
+</I>&gt;<i> When I ask the developers, they don't know if qemu will include the
+</I>&gt;<i> patch at all and when (now or after one year) and they suggested to do
+</I>&gt;<i> the openSUSE way (today the most recommended and full featured Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> distro for GNS3).
+</I>
+Maybe we are not talking of the same patch, but I am talking of this
+one :
+<A HREF="http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00629.html">http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00629.html</A>
+
+AFAIK, the patch have been accepted, just not committed yet. The last
+mail were from 1 week ago. The only issue is that they are in freeze for
+now, and the git web interface is down, and I do see the commit in my
+checkout about it so far.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; and then in a tarball ( again, given that's a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rc 1, that should be ok soon ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; We must fix the package and provide at least not so heavy broken ones...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I've prepared new version of GNS3, included into svn dynamips and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; xdotool (this one suggested) - these I can maintain with my mentor, so I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ask for patch qemu in stable versus UDP support.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Updates are not supposed to get new features,
+</I>&gt;<i> Well this is a special case - the bugfix provides the feature, or the
+</I>&gt;<i> feature provides the bugfix.
+</I>
+People will always tell &quot;it is a special case&quot;. We can always say that
+any feature is a bugfix, provided we say that the bug is &quot;I cannot do
+that&quot;.
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+<PRE>After quite some work in the last weeks the new wiki is finally available!
+
+Check it out at <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org">https://wiki.mageia.org</A>
+
+Until now only the English wiki is online, other will follow soon.
+
+We did import all (or most) of the contents from the old wiki and tried to
+bring some structure into it.
+
+As you can see, there is almost no documentation for the end user till now but
+the documentation team will start changing that.
+If you would like to help us on that, just join the doc team in its meeting
+tommorow at 19.00 UTC in #mageia-doc on the Freenode irc netwoork.
+
+And please have a look at
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Wiki_and_Documentation#Page_naming">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Wiki_and_Documentation#Page_naming</A>
+before starting to create pages on the new wiki.
+We do want to keep some kind of order in it...
+
+ee also the blog post about it on <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/</A>
+
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+Cheers,
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+Oliver
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] New wiki finally online">marc at marcpare.com
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+<PRE>Le 2011-11-14 12:34, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> After quite some work in the last weeks the new wiki is finally available!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Check it out at <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org">https://wiki.mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Until now only the English wiki is online, other will follow soon.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We did import all (or most) of the contents from the old wiki and tried to
+</I>&gt;<i> bring some structure into it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you can see, there is almost no documentation for the end user till now but
+</I>&gt;<i> the documentation team will start changing that.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you would like to help us on that, just join the doc team in its meeting
+</I>&gt;<i> tommorow at 19.00 UTC in #mageia-doc on the Freenode irc netwoork.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And please have a look at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Wiki_and_Documentation#Page_naming">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Wiki_and_Documentation#Page_naming</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> before starting to create pages on the new wiki.
+</I>&gt;<i> We do want to keep some kind of order in it...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ee also the blog post about it on <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Congrats on all those who put the wiki together. Very elegant and simple
+to read. You are awesome!
+
+Marc
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+ <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3CCAPZ-hqTxZnOUVL%3DaR1whx%3DONXcRag1EsYMX65-Mh-YFdvxT6jw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Angelo Naselli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I mean if someone, like me, spends his time to fix some but can't do an update
+</I>&gt;<i> that is time lost, and what's worst the bug still stays opened...
+</I>&gt;<i> Is that good?
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we should always consider case by case, but also the story a potencial
+</I>&gt;<i> update had...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+So what is the final decision about this ? is there going to be an
+update or not ?
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+<PRE>Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 20:23:40, Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> So what is the final decision about this ? is there going to be an
+</I>&gt;<i> update or not ?
+</I>
+I vote no, let's wait for backports, like all other new versions.
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+<PRE>On 14 November 2011 21:20, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> In responce to a post on perlmonks.org, a module for counting the number of
+</I>&gt;<i> CPU's on a system. Support has now also been added for type of CPU and
+</I>&gt;<i> clock speed. While much of the code is from UNIX::Processors, win32 support
+</I>&gt;<i> has been added (but not tested).
+</I>
+this has nothing to do in description:
+
+&gt;<i> v0.45 - Corrected solaris support (Thanks Cloyce)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> EXPORT
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;None by default.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> kharec &lt;kharec&gt; 0.520.0-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 167815
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package perl-Sys-CPU
+</I>
+
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+--
+&gt;<i> R : Tu vois !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Q : Tu crois ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; R : &#199;a casse l'ordre chronologique de l'&#233;change.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Q : En quoi r&#233;pondre au dessus est-il g&#234;nant ?
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+&gt;<i> This module implements a Pipeline multithreading model. Several concurrent threads are started -- one for each subroutine in the pipeline. The subs and other MultiThread objects are daisy-chained together by queues. The output queue of one step in the pipeline is the input queue of the following step.
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 20:23:40, Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So what is the final decision about this ? is there going to be an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; update or not ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I vote no, let's wait for backports, like all other new versions.
+</I>i not agree at all because
+ - we did it for KDE SC 4.6 (upgrading from 4.6.3 to 4.6.5).
+ - the list of bug fixes (especially the number of crash &amp; corruption fix)
+ - it's a *minor* version not a major one
+If the policy is to *stricly* push only new versions (&amp; minor versions) in
+backports then it should be wrote somewhere so i won't go on updating KDE SC
+on next mageia to the last release (especially we won't go to KDE SC 4.8 but
+stick with KDE SC 4.7 since i won't be able to provide the minor bug fixes
+release for KDE SC 4.8 )
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+Regards,
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 11 november 2011 00:17:47 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+&gt;<i> any opinions? testings? problems?
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+I guess it's perfect then, noone objects :-)
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+I'm gonna wait a bit longer, and then submit to cauldron so it can have (more)
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+<PRE>Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb-5.5.15-0.mga2 should be hitting the mirrors soon (at cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> core/updates_testing). It's purpose is to be an alternative to mysql. for that
+</I>&gt;<i> reason, mariadb packages provide also the similar mysql targets.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb is intended to be a drop-in replacement for mysql, it goes so far to
+</I>&gt;<i> actually have the same files and ABI's as mysql. after looking at their forking
+</I>&gt;<i> process (it's not actually a full fork, they start from mysql and then patch),
+</I>&gt;<i> i've seen that it's actually very good for a drop-in replacement. There are a
+</I>&gt;<i> few differences ( <A HREF="http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-versus-mysql-compatibility">http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-versus-mysql-compatibility</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ) but they are minor. I've done a few minor tests with amarok, akonadi, drupal
+</I>&gt;<i> and phpmyadmin (and of course mysql client).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> NOTE: mariadb provides actually most storage engines mysql provides as well,
+</I>&gt;<i> but also the original and unpatched MyISAM and InnoDB engines from mysql. On
+</I>&gt;<i> top of that, it has some extra storage engines. XtraDB, which is the drop-in
+</I>&gt;<i> replacement storage engine for Innodb, is essentially an innodb with extra
+</I>&gt;<i> patches from various sources, like google, facebook, etc... ( see
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-versus-mysql-features">http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-versus-mysql-features</A> )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've chosen to use mkrel 0 atm, because it's not a released version yet, I've
+</I>&gt;<i> talked extensively to mariadb developers, and they mentioned that they did 5.3
+</I>&gt;<i> and 5.5 in parallel, so that 5.5 should be released as beta pretty soon. When
+</I>&gt;<i> i talked about our release schedule, they did mention that mariadb-5.5 should
+</I>&gt;<i> be final before februari.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My plan is as follows:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. provide testing package [DONE]
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. clean up spec file from mysql and file some patches upstream [DONE]
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. provide newer testing package when it's released as a alpha/beta
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. if testing is satisfactory (not breaking buildsystem or mysql) submit to
+</I>&gt;<i> core/release and get more testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. if final 5.5 release is on time, have mariadb into mageia2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> now there, we have a few options:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> considering that mariadb is essentially mysql + extra features, if we ship
+</I>&gt;<i> both mysql and mariadb, we should ensure that normal users don't go from
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb to mysql. (if a storage engine would be used that's NOT in mysql,
+</I>&gt;<i> suddenly a few databases might not work, even though the data is still there.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A. provide both but with vendor preference
+</I>&gt;<i> making sure one of them both is preferred should be ok, since they conflict
+</I>&gt;<i> anyway, if a user installs the non-preferred one, she knows what she's doing.
+</I>&gt;<i> ( I think a note could be added here for warning purposes )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> B. only use mariadb anymore
+</I>&gt;<i> =&gt; That's the easiest and safest option...
+</I>&gt;<i> _IF_ mariadb works well. (which i'm sure we'll see in our testing)
+</I>&gt;<i> (IMHO, if it worked for libreoffice, i don't see why not for mariadb)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> any opinions? testings? problems?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think it is a great idea, from all I've read.
+I've already been thinking of installing it in place of mysql.
+
+As for the options, I'm inclined to prefer a choice (option A), since
+some users could have problems with either, given that there are some
+(minor) incompatibilities.
+But if we have only one, at least those preferring the other could
+always go upstream.
+
+As for what was done with Libreoffice/Openoffice, the obsolete forced me
+to install upstream versions to have both installed. They have no file
+conflict.
+One can even have installed (but not run at the same time) different
+versions of upstream Libreoffice at the same time. (They recommend
+doing that for testing.)
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+On 11/11/2011 10:17, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
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+&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> A. provide
+</I>both but with vendor preference
+&gt;<i> making sure one of them both is
+</I>preferred should be ok, since they conflict
+&gt;<i> anyway, if a user
+</I>installs the non-preferred one, she knows what she's doing.
+&gt;<i> ( I think
+</I>a note could be added here for warning purposes )
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> B. only use
+</I>mariadb anymore
+&gt;<i> =&gt; That's the easiest and safest option...
+</I>&gt;<i> _IF_
+</I>mariadb works well. (which i'm sure we'll see in our testing)
+&gt;<i> (IMHO,
+</I>if it worked for libreoffice, i don't see why not for mariadb)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> any
+</I>opinions? testings? problems?
+
+I'm all for either of these. Especially
+B) if we can test it well enough.
+
+I rebuilt the package on mga1
+without issues. Tests fine as well.
+
+Does anyone have any idea if the
+PBXT (Primebase) Storage Engine will be kept in MariaDB 5.5 (as it is in
+5.1, 5.2, 5.3)?
+
+--
+Sam Bailey
+
+Cyprix Enterprises
+Web:
+cyprix.com.au
+Em: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cyprix at cyprix.com.au</A>
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+
+&gt;<i> On 14 November 2011 21:20, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In responce to a post on perlmonks.org, a module for counting the
+</I>&gt;<i> number of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; CPU's on a system. Support has now also been added for type of CPU and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; clock speed. While much of the code is from UNIX::Processors, win32
+</I>&gt;<i> support
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; has been added (but not tested).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this has nothing to do in description:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; v0.45 - Corrected solaris support (Thanks Cloyce)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; EXPORT
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; None by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; R : Tu vois !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Q : Tu crois ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; R : &#199;a casse l'ordre chronologique de l'&#233;change.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Q : En quoi r&#233;pondre au dessus est-il g&#234;nant ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/11/14 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 14 November 2011 21:20, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; In responce to a post on perlmonks.org, a module for counting the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> number of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; CPU's on a system. Support has now also been added for type of CPU and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; clock speed. While much of the code is from UNIX::Processors, win32
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; has been added (but not tested).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this has nothing to do in description:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; v0.45 - Corrected solaris support (Thanks Cloyce)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; EXPORT
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; None by default.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; R : Tu vois !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Q : Tu crois ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; R : &#199;a casse l'ordre chronologique de l'&#233;change.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Q : En quoi r&#233;pondre au dessus est-il g&#234;nant ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK I fix it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> On 14 November 2011 21:30, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This module implements a Pipeline multithreading model. Several
+</I>&gt;<i> concurrent threads are started -- one for each subroutine in the pipeline.
+</I>&gt;<i> The subs and other MultiThread objects are daisy-chained together by
+</I>&gt;<i> queues. The output queue of one step in the pipeline is the input queue of
+</I>&gt;<i> the following step.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Too long unwrapped description
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+I was asked to submit this suggestion to the mailing list:
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+As a Mageia user, I believe msec was much better off with_OUT_
+sectool. In its present state, sectool is BADLY broken. It
+whines for pages about file permissions that are exactly as they
+should be. It leaves two orphaned gpg-agent processes. It
+leaves at least three files or directories cluttering up /tmp.
+
+I intend to remove sectool from my Mageia 1 system, forcibly if
+necessary. Until late October, msec functioned very nicely
+without sectool. On my system, I intend that msec will again
+have that opportunity. A one-line error message is vastly
+preferable to multiple pages of sectool's whining and a need to
+kill orphaned processes and delete orphaned files and/or
+directories.
+
+Thank you for considering this opinion.
+
+Robert Riches
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+&gt;<i> (New list subscriber...needed to fix registered email address to post...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was asked to submit this suggestion to the mailing list:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a Mageia user, I believe msec was much better off with_OUT_
+</I>&gt;<i> sectool. In its present state, sectool is BADLY broken. It
+</I>&gt;<i> whines for pages about file permissions that are exactly as they
+</I>&gt;<i> should be.
+</I>
+Can you be more specific ?
+
+&gt;<i> It leaves two orphaned gpg-agent processes.
+</I>
+Fill bug report about this, that can surely be corrected by upstream.
+
+&gt;<i> It
+</I>&gt;<i> leaves at least three files or directories cluttering up /tmp.
+</I>
+Same for that.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 &#224; 19:29 -0300, Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 23:17:32 zezinho a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 20:23:40, Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So what is the final decision about this ? is there going to be an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; update or not ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I vote no, let's wait for backports, like all other new versions.
+</I>&gt;<i> i not agree at all because
+</I>&gt;<i> - we did it for KDE SC 4.6 (upgrading from 4.6.3 to 4.6.5).
+</I>&gt;<i> - the list of bug fixes (especially the number of crash &amp; corruption fix)
+</I>&gt;<i> - it's a *minor* version not a major one
+</I>
+The policy is not about minor version, it is bugfixes only. Not
+everybody make the distinction between minor and major, especially for
+software developpers.
+
+And again, the question of QA is here. Since we didn't detect the
+regression ( and since there is so much crashes to fix, and sine
+everybody think that's important enough to bypass our policy, according
+to people in the thread ), how do people plan to make sure the most
+obvious one are corrected ?
+
+Do we have open bug reports about them, with clear reproducer ?
+
+And do at least someone plan to use kdenlive enough to say &quot;this fixed
+the bug I have been seeing before&quot; ?
+
+Or do we plan to do &quot;it started, so it is good enough, let's ship it&quot; ?
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+&gt;<i> spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 3.6.3-2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 167905
+</I>&gt;<i> - changed suggests into requires since they are needed
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+The new version is now installable but makes mediawiki to
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+<PRE>Le mardi 15 novembre 2011 07:40:13, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 &#224; 19:29 -0300, Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 23:17:32 zezinho a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 20:23:40, Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; So what is the final decision about this ? is there going to be an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; update or not ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I vote no, let's wait for backports, like all other new versions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i not agree at all because
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - we did it for KDE SC 4.6 (upgrading from 4.6.3 to 4.6.5).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - the list of bug fixes (especially the number of crash &amp; corruption
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fix) - it's a *minor* version not a major one
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The policy is not about minor version, it is bugfixes only. Not
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody make the distinction between minor and major, especially for
+</I>&gt;<i> software developpers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And again, the question of QA is here. Since we didn't detect the
+</I>&gt;<i> regression ( and since there is so much crashes to fix, and sine
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody think that's important enough to bypass our policy, according
+</I>&gt;<i> to people in the thread ), how do people plan to make sure the most
+</I>&gt;<i> obvious one are corrected ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do we have open bug reports about them, with clear reproducer ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And do at least someone plan to use kdenlive enough to say &quot;this fixed
+</I>&gt;<i> the bug I have been seeing before&quot; ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or do we plan to do &quot;it started, so it is good enough, let's ship it&quot; ?
+</I>
+Of course QA will test more than &quot;the program started, it's OK&quot;. If you look
+at the history of updates in bugzilla you'll see that testing is usually more
+thorough than that.
+
+And if the packager asks for testing of new features to ensure they introduce
+no obvious blocking bug, they can be tested, provided they are in a limited
+number. If that's the price for dozens of bugfixes, it can be worth it, unless
+the new features are disruptive for users accustomed to the version of
+kdenlive in core/release, or bring incompatibilities or new critical bugs.
+
+Samuel
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+&gt;<i> On 11/11/2011 10:17, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A. provide both but with vendor preference
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> making sure one of them both is preferred should be ok, since they conflict
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anyway, if a user installs the non-preferred one, she knows what she's doing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ( I think a note could be added here for warning purposes )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> B. only use mariadb anymore
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> =&gt; That's the easiest and safest option...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _IF_ mariadb works well. (which i'm sure we'll see in our testing)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (IMHO, if it worked for libreoffice, i don't see why not for mariadb)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> any opinions? testings? problems?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm all for either of these. Especially B) if we can test it well enough.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I rebuilt the package on mga1 without issues. Tests fine as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does anyone have any idea if the PBXT (Primebase) Storage Engine will be
+</I>&gt;<i> kept in MariaDB 5.5 (as it is in 5.1, 5.2, 5.3)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sam Bailey
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+My apologies for the HTML email. Silly me.
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+I would like to contribute to the production of rpm packages.
+I adapted ImageJ spec file to mageia
+What form do I send files to the list?
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+Best regards, jc
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+ <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B>
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to contribute to the production of rpm packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> I adapted ImageJ spec file to mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> What form do I send files to the list?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards, jc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Just open a bug report with the name of the package in package request and
+join your spec file. A packager will probably add it to cauldron :)
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+<PRE>On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:50:59 +0100, jcc wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to contribute to the production of rpm packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> I adapted ImageJ spec file to mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> What form do I send files to the list?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards, jc
+</I>
+Hi JC,
+
+Have a look at <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_Team">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_Team</A>
+
+Remco
+
+PS. Your clock appears to run about an hour fast.
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+<PRE>On 15/11/2011 10:08, Remco Rijnders wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:50:59 +0100, jcc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to contribute to the production of rpm packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I adapted ImageJ spec file to mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What form do I send files to the list?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Best regards, jc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi JC,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have a look at <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_Team">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_Team</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remco
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PS. Your clock appears to run about an hour fast.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thank you,
+
+For now I will send any package to bugzilla.
+
+I'll put my clock on time.
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 20:08:27, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Name : sauerbraten Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2010_07_28 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Mon Nov 14 19:56:29
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: =
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Games/Arcade Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 464655510 License: zlib/libpng License
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://sauerbraten.org/">http://sauerbraten.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : A free multi-player/single-player first person shooter game
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Cube 2: Sauerbraten is a free multi-player/single-player first person
+</I>&gt;<i> shooter, built as a major redesign of the Cube FPS.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Much like the original Cube, the aim of this game is not necessarily to
+</I>&gt;<i> produce the most features &amp; eye-candy possible, but rather to allow
+</I>&gt;<i> map/geometry editing to be done dynamically in-game, to create fun
+</I>&gt;<i> game-play and an elegant engine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> juancho &lt;juancho&gt; 2010_07_28-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 167585
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package sauerbraten
+</I>
+I don't know if it's still true, but according to the fedora games SIG group
+sauerbraten will not be packaged there because there are (were?) &quot;Various non
+commercial use clauses in the data.&quot;
+
+Is still issue not true anymore ?
+
+Samuel
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 &#224; 22:09 -0800, Robert M. Riches Jr. a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (New list subscriber...needed to fix registered email address to post...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was asked to submit this suggestion to the mailing list:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As a Mageia user, I believe msec was much better off with_OUT_
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sectool. In its present state, sectool is BADLY broken. It
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whines for pages about file permissions that are exactly as they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should be.
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you be more specific ?
+</I>It think he means this: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808</A>
+or <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c21">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c21</A> or
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c22">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c22</A>
+
+I've also become supportive of this, sectool is basically duplicating
+partly msec functionality, there was no adaption for Mageia, currently it's
+checking on Mageia with the upstream Fedora configuration.
+
+Honestly this should have been done when importing it, as
+tmb already mentioned. msec should be patched to not require it.
+
+When we can't even get our default security tool to work properly,
+what's the point in adding a second one which needs even more
+maintenance?
+&gt;&gt;<i> It leaves two orphaned gpg-agent processes.
+</I>&gt;<i> Fill bug report about this, that can surely be corrected by upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> leaves at least three files or directories cluttering up /tmp.
+</I>&gt;<i> Same for that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Since recently, I have noticed on that the eth0 network (setup with
+static IP) start real late - like after login to desktop and almost
+takes 3 minutes to initially start. What could be causing this?
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+Thx,
+R.Fox
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+<PRE>Am 15.11.2011 07:40, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 &#224; 19:29 -0300, Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 23:17:32 zezinho a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 20:23:40, Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So what is the final decision about this ? is there going to be an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update or not ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I vote no, let's wait for backports, like all other new versions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i not agree at all because
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - we did it for KDE SC 4.6 (upgrading from 4.6.3 to 4.6.5).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - the list of bug fixes (especially the number of crash &amp; corruption fix)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - it's a *minor* version not a major one
+</I>&gt;<i> The policy is not about minor version, it is bugfixes only. Not
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody make the distinction between minor and major, especially for
+</I>&gt;<i> software developpers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And again, the question of QA is here. Since we didn't detect the
+</I>&gt;<i> regression ( and since there is so much crashes to fix, and sine
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody think that's important enough to bypass our policy, according
+</I>&gt;<i> to people in the thread ), how do people plan to make sure the most
+</I>&gt;<i> obvious one are corrected ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do we have open bug reports about them, with clear reproducer ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And do at least someone plan to use kdenlive enough to say &quot;this fixed
+</I>&gt;<i> the bug I have been seeing before&quot; ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or do we plan to do &quot;it started, so it is good enough, let's ship it&quot; ?
+</I>So your proposal is to basically redo the whole upstream work and separating
+the bugfixes from the new features? If this isn't done by an experienced developer,
+i think the chances of adding regressions in doing this for the 140 bugfixes
+or whatever is higher than directly using upstream release.
+
+Also i think this, measuring with two scales, and maybe over-simplifying it is
+a bit unfair, we had KDE bugfix/feature updates, and now we say:
+No, we can't do this? Either only bugfix through patches or no update at all?
+
+
+An example: For ffmpeg, to fix the reported multiple security issues,
+as 0.6 branch is not supported upstream anymore, basically we'd need
+to go over through 7500 commits, check if they are bugfix or security-
+related, and cherrypick the relevant ones. I don't have enough C/git
+knowledge to do this, and Anssi is quite short on spare time, so it may
+take a while to get this done. In some rare cases it is either really really
+difficult or not doable due to manpower constraints.
+
+
+Also i'd like to notice that we don't do automated regression testing or
+unit tests, and we were at the process of bootstrapping mageia where
+the tests should have gotten this. IMHO you can't possibly expect that,
+there were simply not enough endusers to catch such bugs/regressions.
+
+In a perfect world, yes, sure, but remember we're not in an ideal, perfect world.
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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+ <I>Tue Nov 15 12:13:48 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Le mardi 15 novembre 2011 07:40:13 Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - we did it for KDE SC 4.6 (upgrading from 4.6.3 to 4.6.5).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - the list of bug fixes (especially the number of crash &amp; corruption
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fix) - it's a *minor* version not a major one
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The policy is not about minor version, it is bugfixes only. Not
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody make the distinction between minor and major, especially for
+</I>&gt;<i> software developpers.
+</I>Well to be honest i can't be sure that a minor version of KDE is *reallly* bug
+fixes only, even if it's wrote like this upstream.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And again, the question of QA is here. Since we didn't detect the
+</I>&gt;<i> regression ( and since there is so much crashes to fix, and sine
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody think that's important enough to bypass our policy, according
+</I>&gt;<i> to people in the thread ), how do people plan to make sure the most
+</I>&gt;<i> obvious one are corrected ?
+</I>Did we have from the start the minimum of people able to use &amp; came in the
+situation of trigger them ?
+
+
+&gt;<i> Do we have open bug reports about them, with clear reproducer ?
+</I>The answer here depends of above.
+But the question about having bug reports about them with *clear* reproducer
+is interresting.
+Let's take an example :
+
+If an end user found a bug/crash in kdeenlive he might be not able to provide
+a clear way to reproduce it because he's using some specific codecs with
+specific options and so he might be able to provide only the backtrace.
+Sometimes upstream can directly fix the crash using this backtrace because it's
+obvious (from a coder point of view of course , not from my point of view :p
+), so the end user will be happy.
+What should we do in that case ? backport the patch for a crash where we don't
+have any reproducer to ensure our QA is able to test &amp; report it fixed ? or
+just ignore it because of our policy ?
+because of course fixing this bug could introduce another one etc etc.
+
+Perhaps some users of kdenlive of mageia noticed some of thoses
+crash/corruption but did not report them on mageia's bugzilla because
+- they don't know how to do it or not able to provide a &#171; clear &#187; way to
+reproduce it
+- they report directly upstream
+
+Sticking to a have a clear reproducer to get a patch available in our package
+might reduce the chance of passing the QA :)
+
+
+&gt;<i> And do at least someone plan to use kdenlive enough to say &quot;this fixed
+</I>&gt;<i> the bug I have been seeing before&quot; ?
+</I>I'm not sure we have enough users to ensure that some of them will report the
+bug on our bugzilla, not to mention the fact that some users still see the
+bugzilla as a write only media...
+
+
+&gt;<i> Or do we plan to do &quot;it started, so it is good enough, let's ship it&quot; ?
+</I>Here's the packager is supposed to provides a list of things to test &amp; not let
+QA alone.
+Regarding kdeenlive for example every issue listed on the changelog is linked
+to their bugzilla so the packager (poor juancho :p ) might be able to provide
+a list of things to test.
+
+Also we should not forget that our process for backports is the same so QA
+will need to do the same work (that's also why i personnaly won't backport
+anything to ease the work for our small QA) so the idea of pushing kdenlive to
+backports instead of updates does not solve the situation from a QA
+perspective.
+
+Anyway since it's our policy i'll stick strictly on it now to avoid this kind
+of situation (&amp; next time i'll try to follow with more attention our work on
+policy :p). I'll try also to manager sometimes to take part of the QA process
+to increase the number of people available in this team.
+
+
+Regards,
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> sauerbraten will not be packaged there because there are (were?) &quot;Various non
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+</I>
+According to their homepage, the data (they call it media) is not Free Software.
+<A HREF="http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license">http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license</A>
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3C201111150658.56412.thomas%40btspuhler.com%3E"
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+&gt;<i> On 15 November 2011 04:28, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 3.6.3-2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 167905
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - changed suggests into requires since they are needed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The new version is now installable but makes mediawiki to
+</I>&gt;<i> be uninstalled due to pear(PHPUnit/Framework.php)
+</I>&gt;<i> now being missing
+</I>Let me check. It wasn't available when I went to sleep an I am busy tonight.
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+&gt;<i> Hi, my name is Mahmut. I want to be a packager for Mageia. I submitted my
+</I>&gt;<i> nick and other needed info to wiki. My nickname is regularlambda. How can i
+</I>&gt;<i> start to do something?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mahmut Bulut
+</I>
+
+I give you this page that can help you:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_for_beginners">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_for_beginners</A>
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+<PRE>2011/11/15 Sandro CAZZANIGA &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> 2011/11/15 Mahmut Bulut &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mahmutbulut0 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi, my name is Mahmut. I want to be a packager for Mageia. I submitted my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nick and other needed info to wiki. My nickname is regularlambda. How can i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> start to do something?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mahmut Bulut
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I give you this page that can help you:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_for_beginners">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_for_beginners</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+And <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager</A> !
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+<PRE>On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 13:57, Sandro CAZZANIGA
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi guys,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> is mageia's check still working? It seems not updated since few days...
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe I'm wrong.
+</I>
+I checked the various parts and it seems to be working.
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+Do you have an example of outdated data?
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+ <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B>
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+<PRE>2011/11/15 Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 13:57, Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi guys,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is mageia's check still working? It seems not updated since few days...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe I'm wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I checked the various parts and it seems to be working.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have an example of outdated data?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Not actually, only pkg that has been packaged today.
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+&gt;<i> Also i'd like to notice that we don't do automated regression testing or
+</I>&gt;<i> unit tests, and we were at the process of bootstrapping mageia where
+</I>&gt;<i> the tests should have gotten this. IMHO you can't possibly expect that,
+</I>&gt;<i> there were simply not enough endusers to catch such bugs/regressions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I wrote about this some weeks ago but it went unnoticed[1], about a
+cross-platform tool developed by OpenSuSE that is for doing all kind
+of automated QA tests[2]. That tool looks very promising and helpful.
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+[1] <A HREF="http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/8661">http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/8661</A>
+[2] <A HREF="http://news.opensuse.org/2011/10/11/opensuse-announces-first-public-release-of-openqa/">http://news.opensuse.org/2011/10/11/opensuse-announces-first-public-release-of-openqa/</A>
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+Cheers,
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+&gt;<i> &gt; I rebuilt the package on mga1 without issues. Tests fine as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Does anyone have any idea if the PBXT (Primebase) Storage Engine will be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; kept in MariaDB 5.5 (as it is in 5.1, 5.2, 5.3)?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sam Bailey
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My apologies for the HTML email. Silly me.
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+PBXT is in mariadb 5.5 it should be in there, afaik it's compiled in (not
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+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 15 november 2011 09:42:04 schreef Sam Bailey:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I rebuilt the package on mga1 without issues. Tests fine as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Does anyone have any idea if the PBXT (Primebase) Storage Engine will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> kept in MariaDB 5.5 (as it is in 5.1, 5.2, 5.3)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PBXT is in mariadb 5.5 it should be in there, afaik it's compiled in (not
+</I>&gt;<i> external plugin). wasn't it in there?
+</I>
+My show engines is as below:
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+MariaDB [(none)]&gt; show engines;
++--------------------+---------+----------------------
+|<i> Engine | Support | Comment
+</I>+--------------------+---------+----------------------
+|<i> CSV | YES | CSV storage engine
+</I>|<i> MRG_MYISAM | YES | Collection of identic
+</I>|<i> MyISAM | DEFAULT | MyISAM storage engine
+</I>|<i> BLACKHOLE | YES | /dev/null storage eng
+</I>|<i> PERFORMANCE_SCHEMA | YES | Performance Schema
+</I>|<i> MEMORY | YES | Hash based, stored in
+</I>|<i> ARCHIVE | YES | Archive storage engin
+</I>|<i> Aria | YES | Crash-safe tables wit
+</I>|<i> FEDERATED | YES | Federated MySQL stora
+</I>|<i> InnoDB | YES | Percona-XtraDB, Suppo
+</I>+--------------------+---------+----------------------
+10 rows in set (0.00 sec)
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+However this is for the recompiled rpm for mga1. (CO with mgarepo, and
+rebuild). I will test on a cauldron install and get back to you.
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 15 november 2011 20:32:09 schreef Sam Bailey:
+&gt;<i> On 16/11/11 05:39, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op dinsdag 15 november 2011 09:42:04 schreef Sam Bailey:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I rebuilt the package on mga1 without issues. Tests fine as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Does anyone have any idea if the PBXT (Primebase) Storage Engine will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; be kept in MariaDB 5.5 (as it is in 5.1, 5.2, 5.3)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; PBXT is in mariadb 5.5 it should be in there, afaik it's compiled in (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; external plugin). wasn't it in there?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My show engines is as below:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> MariaDB [(none)]&gt; show engines;
+</I>&gt;<i> +--------------------+---------+----------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> | Engine | Support | Comment
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +--------------------+---------+----------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> | CSV | YES | CSV storage engine
+</I>&gt;<i> | MRG_MYISAM | YES | Collection of identic
+</I>&gt;<i> | MyISAM | DEFAULT | MyISAM storage engine
+</I>&gt;<i> | BLACKHOLE | YES | /dev/null storage eng
+</I>&gt;<i> | PERFORMANCE_SCHEMA | YES | Performance Schema
+</I>&gt;<i> | MEMORY | YES | Hash based, stored in
+</I>&gt;<i> | ARCHIVE | YES | Archive storage engin
+</I>&gt;<i> | Aria | YES | Crash-safe tables wit
+</I>&gt;<i> | FEDERATED | YES | Federated MySQL stora
+</I>&gt;<i> | InnoDB | YES | Percona-XtraDB, Suppo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +--------------------+---------+----------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> 10 rows in set (0.00 sec)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However this is for the recompiled rpm for mga1. (CO with mgarepo, and
+</I>&gt;<i> rebuild). I will test on a cauldron install and get back to you.
+</I>
+which plugins did you load?
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+&gt;<i> &gt; However this is for the recompiled rpm for mga1. (CO with mgarepo, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rebuild). I will test on a cauldron install and get back to you.
+</I>
+I can confirm it on my system, normally pxbt should be compiled in, but it
+seems it isn't. i'm in communication with upstream to see why. i'll keep you
+posted. (If you know something about it and cmake, maybe you can check why
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Do we have open bug reports about them, with clear reproducer ?
+</I>Not the specific case, but the one about hplip i mentioned before:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463</A>
+
+I could quote also a bug about skype
+(<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154</A>),
+we could not add it as update, we can't as backport at the moment, and in the
+mean while mandriva add it in contrib backports for mandriva 2010.2... so it
+could go through updates now :p
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+<PRE>On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:34:48 -0500, Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> I wrote about this some weeks ago but it went unnoticed[1], about a
+</I>&gt;<i> cross-platform tool developed by OpenSuSE that is for doing all kind
+</I>&gt;<i> of automated QA tests[2]. That tool looks very promising and helpful.
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/8661">http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/8661</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> [2] <A HREF="http://news.opensuse.org/2011/10/11/opensuse-announces-first-public-release-of-openqa/">http://news.opensuse.org/2011/10/11/opensuse-announces-first-public-release-of-openqa/</A>
+</I>
+There was brief discussion about it on the qa discuss mailing
+list.
+
+I have experience with automated testing going back to the early 80's.
+This was on ibm mainframes, starting with Batch Terminal Simulator,
+and many others packages, often developed in-house.
+
+As soon as I saw that the testing scripts are using hashes of
+screen shots to determine if a test was successful, I cringed.
+You better not have a clock displayed, during the test.
+
+When you know *exactly* what the expected output will be, the
+tests can be automated. Otherwise, you'll spend more time tweaking
+the test cases, rather then testing the updates.
+
+Where the qa team does have problems, or encounter delays, at
+present, there are two main reasons.
+
+Lack of hardware. For example, mtd-utils is currently on hold
+pending testing by the person who requested the package, as no
+one on the qa team has an mtd flash device.
+
+Time and knowledge required to set up a test environment. For
+example, in order to test gssftp from the krb5-appl-servers
+package, the qa tester has to set up and configure a kerberos
+server, with an appropriate backend such as ldap.
+
+There are only a few cases where repetitive testing is involved,
+where an automated procedure would be useful.
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+&gt;<i> Or do we plan to do &quot;it started, so it is good enough, let's ship it&quot; ?
+</I>
+QA policy is to try and recreate the bug, if possible, in order to confirm
+that the update fixes the bug it claims to fix.
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+We also test that the primary functions of the package works. For example,
+in an update for unetbootin <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1443">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1443</A>
+the update did what it stated it would do, by invoking consolehelper,
+but the package didn't work. It wasn't a regression, but as the packages
+main feature didn't work, the update was not accepted until it was fixed.
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+Every update is treated on a case by case basis, as to what testing will
+be done, taking into account things such as the impact it will have on
+inexperienced users if a problem does get pushed to updates.
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+Something like a game, will get minimal testing. Something like
+packagekit-command-not-found, which could seriously break a system
+will get extensive testing, and will be blocked until it is safe
+to use.
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+ <B>Robert M. Riches Jr.</B>
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+symptoms in another distribution, TinyCore. In that case,
+the cause was a &quot;udevadm settle&quot; in one of the init scripts
+that was blocking network bringup. If that is the problem,
+the solution depends on whatever is hanging up udev from
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+
+HTH
+
+Robert Riches
+
+
+&gt;<i> From: Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia-Dev &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:44:09 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since recently, I have noticed on that the eth0 network (setup with
+</I>&gt;<i> static IP) start real late - like after login to desktop and almost
+</I>&gt;<i> takes 3 minutes to initially start. What could be causing this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thx,
+</I>&gt;<i> R.Fox
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+<PRE>On 14.11.2011 14:47, Buchan Milne wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Saturday, 12 November 2011 22:11:31 Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 12.11.2011 20:20, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 12 novembre 2011 &#224; 16:44 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There is also one important patch missed in Mageia -
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html">http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dependency for the GNS3 simulator. OpenSUSE already includes it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3">https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ATools
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If nobody is against I will do it and contact the maintainer (misc).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I prefer to wait on the stable release ( ie, no rc1 ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We will wait on stable version of qemu.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And no patch unless it comes from upstream ( and even, I am not keen on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backporting feature, better wait for stable release ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> GNS3 is already in stable! This package is broken - no dynamips (=no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> router emulation at all...),
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, for me, I upgraded from Mandriva, and AFAIK there has been no new
+</I>&gt;<i> release of dynamips in the past year =&gt; grab the package from
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva for
+</I>&gt;<i> nwo, and log an enhancement bug (you can assign to me) for dynamips.
+</I>Dynamips is already imported into Mageia - it needs a review from my
+mentor. This software is abandoned by its creator(s), and now without a
+maintainer. It is developed in free time by GNS3 developers.
+
+And NO. There was new &quot;community&quot; release in this year.
+This is officially a fork and de facto considered as the main branch
+<A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/gns-3/files/Dynamips/0.2.8-RC3-community/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/gns-3/files/Dynamips/0.2.8-RC3-community/</A>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> no patched qemu (no virtualization support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at all...) According to the developers and their online documentation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for package maintainers <A HREF="http://forum.gns3.net/post11571.html">http://forum.gns3.net/post11571.html</A> UDP patched
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Qemu is dependency/very important.
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you provide a bit more information on what GNS3 feature needs this
+</I>&gt;<i> patched
+</I>&gt;<i> qemu? I have in the past hooked up my kvm VMs to dynamips routers (before
+</I>&gt;<i> GNS3).
+</I>GNS3 contain qemuwrapper to help emulate connections between multiple
+PCs through virtual (emulated) router on one single (but not limited to
+only one) machine. It uses UDP networking. You can chose your ready to
+use image for qemu - in GNS3 menu - (for example with JunOS - there
+are downloadable ready to use images with different OS) and immediately
+have it working.
+
+Honestly I haven't been testing it with qemu - I have probably to wait
+for possible upstream patch or make it finally myself.
+
+There are some official images
+<A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/gns-3/files/Qemu%20Appliances/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/gns-3/files/Qemu%20Appliances/</A>
+&gt;<i> Is this for Pix emulation, or just for launching generic virtual
+</I>&gt;<i> machines/emulated hardware as part of your lab?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I really don't think the Pix emulation (I have never seen a maintained
+</I>&gt;<i> patch)
+</I>&gt;<i> is ready for anyone to include it ... but I haven't looked recently.
+</I>For Pix there is as far as I know pemu. Pemu was for afaik for qemu
+0.9.x series and it's to old to push to upstream.
+&gt;&gt;<i> We must fix the package and provide at least not so heavy broken ones...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've prepared new version of GNS3, included into svn dynamips
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you base it on the existing Mandriva package?
+</I>I based on Mageia already existing package and then to make it working I
+based on others distros (especially openSUSE) and FreeBSD ports.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> xdotool (this one suggested) - these I can maintain with my mentor, so I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ask for patch qemu in stable versus UDP support.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Buchan
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+<PRE>On 14.11.2011 14:53, Buchan Milne wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ( and given the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on ml, it should be soon )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When I ask the developers, they don't know if qemu will include the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patch at all and when (now or after one year) and they suggested to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the openSUSE way (today the most recommended and full featured Linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distro for GNS3).
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK. So if gns3 can't be fixed for the stable - than should be removed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from the repos (for ISOs is to late).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If we don't provide qemu patch, then gns3 should be removed from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cauldron as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I believe removing GNS3 is better than keeping it broken and.. irritate
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people (I don't count the opinion of our quality). Later some 3rd party
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repos can provide GNS3 and its dependencies.
+</I>&gt;<i> You seem to imply that the only use of GNS3 is with this qemu patch.
+</I>It's possible to simulate and play without qemu. (btw newer alpha
+release version supports in the same way VirtualBox)
+
+It should be &quot;Suggested&quot; by GNS3, but then what is the idea of
+suggesting qemu that isn't working at all? I simply don't know why to
+distribute a program that provides support in GUI for something that's
+not working.
+
+People can try to waste their time and configure qemuwrapper with our
+qemu... it's just a matter of time for a bugrequest on our bugzilla.
+
+In my opinion if we provide an application with so exposed (visible)
+support for working with qemu and we don't provide qemu itself then our
+quality of packages get lower.
+&gt;<i> But I used GNS3 with just dynamips, and this issue of GNS3 not being
+</I>&gt;<i> usable at
+</I>&gt;<i> all due to missing dynamips can really be solved quite quickly just by
+</I>&gt;<i> shipping dynamips to updates.
+</I>Yes.
+&gt;<i> But, it looks like someone blindly imported gns3 and dynagen from
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> without even understanding the use of these tools:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ rpm -q --suggests dynagen
+</I>&gt;<i> dynamips&gt;= 0.2.8
+</I>&gt;<i> xterm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (dynamips isn't explicitly required to be installed on the host with
+</I>&gt;<i> gns3 or
+</I>&gt;<i> dynagen, as the hypervisor can be run on a different host than
+</I>&gt;<i> dynagen/GNS3).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>In theory yes.
+&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Buchan
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+<PRE>On 14.11.2011 18:16, Michael Scherer wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 13 novembre 2011 &#224; 22:32 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 13.11.2011 10:58, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 12 novembre 2011 &#224; 21:11 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 12.11.2011 20:20, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 12 novembre 2011 &#224; 16:44 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There is also one important patch missed in Mageia -
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html">http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00787.html</A> it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dependency for the GNS3 simulator. OpenSUSE already includes it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools">https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=qemu&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If nobody is against I will do it and contact the maintainer (misc).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I prefer to wait on the stable release ( ie, no rc1 ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We will wait on stable version of qemu.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And no patch unless it comes from upstream ( and even, I am not keen on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backporting feature, better wait for stable release ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> GNS3 is already in stable! This package is broken - no dynamips (=no
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> router emulation at all...), no patched qemu (no virtualization support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> at all...) According to the developers and their online documentation
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for package maintainers <A HREF="http://forum.gns3.net/post11571.html">http://forum.gns3.net/post11571.html</A> UDP patched
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Qemu is dependency/very important.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The fact that someone pushed a broken package is not a good reason to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> add patches to qemu.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, but I don't understand this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why to keep defunct packages (this could be at least &quot;major+ issue&quot; on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> our bugzilla) in stable and don't even want to fix, ignore this academic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software (with maybe overall 1 000 000* downloads and 100 000 regular
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> users), and to support... the inadvisable opinion of Mageia around.. at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> least the GNS3 users.
+</I>&gt;<i> Let me rephrase again. Everybody sooner or later think &quot;that soft is
+</I>&gt;<i> great, but why do not add just a small patch there&quot;. That's just one
+</I>&gt;<i> patch, where is the problem ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem appear just after a few months, when the patch is still not
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream, and that someone who do not know C, python whatever has to
+</I>&gt;<i> take the software and maintain it. Or when someone who know how to
+</I>&gt;<i> program lose time rediffing the patch instead of doing something more
+</I>&gt;<i> useful. We face bugs that cannot be reproduced upstream, security
+</I>&gt;<i> problem that could be added in non reviewed patch by devs. Fragmentation
+</I>&gt;<i> in linux distributions are also caused by differents features, due to
+</I>&gt;<i> patchs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All of this need to be avoided, and I think we have enough problems with
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff that people do not want to take care of it to not add more burden,
+</I>&gt;<i> be it under the form of a small patch. All big collections start by one
+</I>&gt;<i> little stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I see your point, but then tell why to keep GNS3 in our repos? What
+would you do? Patch GNS3 to cut the features from GUI? Then we will have
+next version of GNS3 (0.8.x is already in its way..).. well I quote what
+EXACTLY will happen:
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+&gt;<i> The problem appear just after a few months, when the patch is still not
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream, and that someone who do not know C, python whatever has to
+</I>&gt;<i> take the software and maintain it. Or when someone who know how to
+</I>&gt;<i> program lose time rediffing the patch instead of doing something more
+</I>&gt;<i> useful
+</I>
+and ALSO
+
+&gt;<i> We face bugs that cannot be reproduced upstream
+</I>
+//Well I am more aware in this case due to lack o features/broken
+GUI/GNS3 then security problems...
+
+I like this point:
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+&gt;<i> All of this need to be avoided, and I think we have enough problems with
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff that people do not want to take care of it to not add more burden,
+</I>&gt;<i> be it under the form of a small patch. All big collections start by one
+</I>&gt;<i> little stuff
+</I>
+But then what to do? Leave a broken package as it is - and just wait for
+bugs on our bugzilla - and support our quality - or remove it from the
+official repos?
+
+Please remember that GNS3 is already in Mageia 1 and we still DO provide
+support of Mga1 for dozen of months.
+
+We can of course hope that nobody will complain about it as long as we
+DO support Mga1 and wait for patch for Mga2 from upstream (very possible
+patch).
+
+BTW. I had facied similar case before. Upstream of newer Xboard provides
+support for many chess variants, but lacks support for pieces in every
+board size. So I decided to patch the source myself to disable the
+partly supported board sizes - to make sure that the end user will have
+EVERYTHING working for sure. So I would also provide a special patch to
+cut qemuwrapper from GUI of GNS3 for our stable and hope to have it
+already fixed by qemu upstream for Mga2.
+&gt;&gt;<i> * 799 968 Windows Downloads (just from the sourceforge mirrors) of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> latest Windows binary of GNS3 (source
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/gns-3/files/GNS3/0.7.4/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/gns-3/files/GNS3/0.7.4/</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We have too many patches on a general scale, and I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> do not want to end with a 2nd package like gdb.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Patches make harder to upgrade, harder to make sure security is done
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> correctly, and harder to ensure stuff are working ( since we are on our
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> own when we patch something ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So for the patches, make sure it is upstream
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's not qemu upstream, it's GNS3 and its community upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to have a feature in qemu, the road is &quot;push it upstream&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Once accepted upstream, it will sooner or later be in our packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This road if for developers not for package maintainers and users.
+
+But the developers already are trying hard to push it upstream, with the
+support of community.
+
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ( and given the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on ml, it should be soon )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When I ask the developers, they don't know if qemu will include the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patch at all and when (now or after one year) and they suggested to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the openSUSE way (today the most recommended and full featured Linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distro for GNS3).
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we are not talking of the same patch, but I am talking of this
+</I>&gt;<i> one :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00629.html">http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-11/msg00629.html</A>
+</I>I'm talking about the same one that is tried to push upstream -here is
+even a special repo for this patch: <A HREF="http://code.gns3.net/qemu-patches/log/7">http://code.gns3.net/qemu-patches/log/7</A>
+
+The developers are preoccupied with the development of GNS3 and don't
+have manpower to submit patches for every software they rely on, so they
+ask community to do so, and they also use already patched (by the
+community!) qemu under Windows/MacOS for everyday.
+
+&gt;<i> AFAIK, the patch have been accepted, just not committed yet. The last
+</I>&gt;<i> mail were from 1 week ago. The only issue is that they are in freeze for
+</I>&gt;<i> now, and the git web interface is down, and I do see the commit in my
+</I>&gt;<i> checkout about it so far.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I don't follow the development of qemu/gns3/qemu-patches/kvm/etc to know
+everything what when and how many times it was submitted or accepted by
+upstream. So I rely on the words of the developers of GNS3, and there
+really don't know if it will be finally in qemu 1.0.x or 1.1.x or later.
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and then in a tarball ( again, given that's a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rc 1, that should be ok soon ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We must fix the package and provide at least not so heavy broken ones...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've prepared new version of GNS3, included into svn dynamips and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> xdotool (this one suggested) - these I can maintain with my mentor, so I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ask for patch qemu in stable versus UDP support.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Updates are not supposed to get new features,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well this is a special case - the bugfix provides the feature, or the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> feature provides the bugfix.
+</I>&gt;<i> People will always tell &quot;it is a special case&quot;. We can always say that
+</I>&gt;<i> any feature is a bugfix, provided we say that the bug is &quot;I cannot do
+</I>&gt;<i> that&quot;.
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+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 15 november 2011 20:57:14 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However this is for the recompiled rpm for mga1. (CO with mgarepo, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rebuild). I will test on a cauldron install and get back to you.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I can confirm it on my system, normally pxbt should be compiled in, but it
+</I>&gt;<i> seems it isn't. i'm in communication with upstream to see why. i'll keep you
+</I>&gt;<i> posted. (If you know something about it and cmake, maybe you can check why
+</I>&gt;<i> it's not in there?)
+</I>
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+cmake -LA in the build directory lists all the config params. There is
+no mention of PBXT at all. Maybe PBXT is not compatibile with MySQL or
+MariaDB 5.5?
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+&gt;<i> On 16/11/11 07:34, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op dinsdag 15 november 2011 20:57:14 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; However this is for the recompiled rpm for mga1. (CO with mgarepo, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; rebuild). I will test on a cauldron install and get back to you.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I can confirm it on my system, normally pxbt should be compiled in, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it seems it isn't. i'm in communication with upstream to see why. i'll
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; keep you posted. (If you know something about it and cmake, maybe you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can check why it's not in there?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cmake -LA in the build directory lists all the config params. There is
+</I>&gt;<i> no mention of PBXT at all. Maybe PBXT is not compatibile with MySQL or
+</I>&gt;<i> MariaDB 5.5?
+</I>
+no, there is in the source: storages/pbxt/ directory. but i'm thinking maybe
+it's due to the forced static and we do shared only. i'm working with upstream
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+Is the ethernet card Gigabit and if so, is it connecting at Gigabit speeds?
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+We've noticed a significant delay on newer computers at work, which is a
+large problem because we use domain login. The computers are running
+windows, but a new Linux Kernel update could have introduced the same
+problem along with new features.
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+- --Jeff
+
+On 11/15/2011 05:54 PM, Robert M. Riches Jr. wrote:
+&gt;<i> I'm not an expert on the topic, but I have seen similar
+</I>&gt;<i> symptoms in another distribution, TinyCore. In that case,
+</I>&gt;<i> the cause was a &quot;udevadm settle&quot; in one of the init scripts
+</I>&gt;<i> that was blocking network bringup. If that is the problem,
+</I>&gt;<i> the solution depends on whatever is hanging up udev from
+</I>&gt;<i> emptying its queue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> HTH
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Robert Riches
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> From: Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To: Mageia-Dev &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:44:09 +0100
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since recently, I have noticed on that the eth0 network (setup with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> static IP) start real late - like after login to desktop and almost
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> takes 3 minutes to initially start. What could be causing this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thx,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> R.Fox
+</I>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I do not quite understand why with BuildRequires and Requires, it is
+</I>&gt;<i> sometimes necessary to place a pkgconfig(any_lib) instead of simply
+</I>&gt;<i> any_libin the spec file.
+</I>If you have a dependency for any_lib, you'll only get the runtime part
+of the lib. If you need to build something with the lib, you'll need the
+buildtime part of the lib, which is generally isolated in the -devel
+package. Hence the need for a build dependency of either any_lib-devel
+(always present), or pkgconfig(any_lib), which is a virtual package
+automatically generated by rpm if a pkgconfig file is present.
+
+--
+BOFH excuse #442:
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+Trojan horse ran out of hay
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+<PRE>On 16/11/2011 10:44, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 16/11/2011 00:11, jcc a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I do not quite understand why with BuildRequires and Requires, it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sometimes necessary to place a pkgconfig(any_lib) instead of simply
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> any_libin the spec file.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you have a dependency for any_lib, you'll only get the runtime part
+</I>&gt;<i> of the lib. If you need to build something with the lib, you'll need
+</I>&gt;<i> the buildtime part of the lib, which is generally isolated in the
+</I>&gt;<i> -devel package. Hence the need for a build dependency of either
+</I>&gt;<i> any_lib-devel (always present), or pkgconfig(any_lib), which is a
+</I>&gt;<i> virtual package automatically generated by rpm if a pkgconfig file is
+</I>&gt;<i> present.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+I thank you for these explanations.
+
+Sincerely, J.-C.
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+<PRE>On 16.11.2011 06:44, Buchan Milne wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday, 16 November 2011 05:30:05 Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 14.11.2011 14:53, Buchan Milne wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ( and given the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on ml, it should be soon )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> When I ask the developers, they don't know if qemu will include the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> patch at all and when (now or after one year) and they suggested to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the openSUSE way (today the most recommended and full featured Linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distro for GNS3).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK. So if gns3 can't be fixed for the stable - than should be removed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from the repos (for ISOs is to late).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we don't provide qemu patch, then gns3 should be removed from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cauldron as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I believe removing GNS3 is better than keeping it broken and.. irritate
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> people (I don't count the opinion of our quality). Later some 3rd party
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> repos can provide GNS3 and its dependencies.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You seem to imply that the only use of GNS3 is with this qemu patch.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's possible to simulate and play without qemu.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It should be &quot;Suggested&quot; by GNS3, but then what is the idea of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suggesting qemu that isn't working at all? I simply don't know why to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distribute a program that provides support in GUI for something that's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not working.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Uh, because you can use GNS3 for a lot of things without qemu.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I used it for simulating a 4-router network with just dynamips.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, either I don't understand what you are trying to achieve, or why you want
+</I>&gt;<i> to *prevent* people from emulating routers with GNS3.
+</I>If I do *import* dynamips into Mageia then I want to *prevent* people
+from emulating? No, I want to distribute fullfeatured software, where
+everything is *well-rounded* - and not *missing*/*broken*.
+&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Buchan
+</I>
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+<PRE>On 16.11.2011 12:53, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 16.11.2011 06:44, Buchan Milne wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wednesday, 16 November 2011 05:30:05 Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 14.11.2011 14:53, Buchan Milne wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ( and given the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on ml, it should be soon )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> When I ask the developers, they don't know if qemu will include the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> patch at all and when (now or after one year) and they suggested
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the openSUSE way (today the most recommended and full featured Linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distro for GNS3).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK. So if gns3 can't be fixed for the stable - than should be removed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from the repos (for ISOs is to late).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we don't provide qemu patch, then gns3 should be removed from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cauldron as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I believe removing GNS3 is better than keeping it broken and..
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> irritate
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> people (I don't count the opinion of our quality). Later some 3rd
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> party
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> repos can provide GNS3 and its dependencies.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You seem to imply that the only use of GNS3 is with this qemu patch.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's possible to simulate and play without qemu.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It should be &quot;Suggested&quot; by GNS3, but then what is the idea of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> suggesting qemu that isn't working at all? I simply don't know why to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distribute a program that provides support in GUI for something that's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not working.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Uh, because you can use GNS3 for a lot of things without qemu.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I used it for simulating a 4-router network with just dynamips.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, either I don't understand what you are trying to achieve, or why
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you want
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to *prevent* people from emulating routers with GNS3.
+</I>&gt;<i> If I do *import* dynamips into Mageia then I want to *prevent* people
+</I>&gt;<i> from emulating? No, I want to distribute fullfeatured software, where
+</I>&gt;<i> everything is *well-rounded* - and not *missing*/*broken*.
+</I>And providing it via 3rd party repo as fullfeatured is much better than
+via official resources but limited. Is this also preventing? If someone
+will need it, then will find information how to use GNS3 with Mageia.
+&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Buchan
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Robert M. Riches Jr. at 16/11/11 01:54 did gyre and
+gimble:
+&gt;<i> I'm not an expert on the topic, but I have seen similar
+</I>&gt;<i> symptoms in another distribution, TinyCore. In that case,
+</I>&gt;<i> the cause was a &quot;udevadm settle&quot; in one of the init scripts
+</I>&gt;<i> that was blocking network bringup. If that is the problem,
+</I>&gt;<i> the solution depends on whatever is hanging up udev from
+</I>&gt;<i> emptying its queue.
+</I>
+FWIW, you can pretty much disable udev-settle.service with systemd. It's
+only really needed for some exotic file systems like LVM that really are
+not designed sensibly and assume that there exists a point in time when
+everything has settled. This is arguably not a good design and most
+other similar setups work better.
+
+So you can always try disabling udev-settle.service
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>Since yesterday's updates, I've done repeated (3) fresh cauldron
+installs on a partition on an Acer Aspire One. In each case, after
+mounting the partition from another working partition and rebuilding the
+initrd with radeon-firmware, booting the new partition gets to the point
+of putting up the Mageia splash screen, and then hangs for 10 or 15
+*minutes* before the DM finally starts.
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+It's not dead, because the dots on the splash screen turn blue (but at
+an extremely slow rate). However, getty doesn't start, and the only two
+VCs are 7 (the splash screen) and 1, which has a few normal messages
+about the framebuffer
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+Syslog looks absolutely normal, with the exception of the following:
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+ systemd(1): plymouth-quit-wait.service operation timed out. Terminating.
+ systemd(1): Unit plymouth-quit-wait.service entered failed state.
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+Apparently, whatever it is keeps rsyslog from starting, as the
+timestamps of all of the entries cover a span of about 5 seconds, and
+don't reflect the actual delay anywhere. I'm guessing that rsyslog gets
+all the cached boot messages when it finally starts, and assigns the
+timestamps at that time.
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+A fresh cauldron install to a different partition, done a few days ago,
+does not have this problem.
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+Any ideas ?
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>On 11/16/2011 11:00 AM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> Since yesterday's updates, I've done repeated (3) fresh cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> installs on a partition on an Acer Aspire One. In each case, after
+</I>&gt;<i> mounting the partition from another working partition and rebuilding
+</I>&gt;<i> the initrd with radeon-firmware, booting the new partition gets to the
+</I>&gt;<i> point of putting up the Mageia splash screen, and then hangs for 10 or
+</I>&gt;<i> 15 *minutes* before the DM finally starts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>As an addenda, this didn't happen on the second boot, only on the
+first. On the second boot, there was only about 1 minute delay between
+the appearance of the splashscreen and the start of the DM.
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 9 novembre 2011 14:30:15, Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Naah, tests should avoid that in the same way we did in cauldron... so
+</I>&gt;<i> big issues should come out soon and stop the update/ugrade of a package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Seems no one has tested enough here, as the proposal of update came through
+this :
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+Kdenlive 0.8.2 - released 2 weeks ago - had several annoying issues that were
+quickly reported, including startup crash on some systems.
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+<PRE>On 16 November 2011 18:26, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision 2152 Author obgr_seneca Date 2011-11-16 18:26:22 +0100 (Wed, 16 Nov
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> fixed pot file so it passes msgfmt -c
+</I>
+This is wrong.
+This is not a translation catalog but a template.
+The header must be filled in when copied.
+What's more this is an auto generated file so this will
+be reverted next time we update the strings...
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+&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/share/po/libDrakX.pot
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/share/po/libDrakX.pot 2011-11-14 07:42:22 UTC
+</I>&gt;<i> (rev 2151)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/share/po/libDrakX.pot 2011-11-16 17:26:22 UTC
+</I>&gt;<i> (rev 2152)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -2,18 +2,16 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> # Copyright (C) YEAR Free Software Foundation, Inc.
+</I>&gt;<i> # FIRST AUTHOR &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">EMAIL at ADDRESS</A>&gt;, YEAR.
+</I>&gt;<i> #
+</I>&gt;<i> -#, fuzzy
+</I>&gt;<i> msgid &quot;&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> msgstr &quot;&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> -&quot;Project-Id-Version: PACKAGE VERSION\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> +&quot;Project-Id-Version: libDrakX\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;POT-Creation-Date: 2011-08-05 21:16+0200\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;PO-Revision-Date: YEAR-MO-DA HO:MI+ZONE\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Last-Translator: FULL NAME &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">EMAIL at ADDRESS</A>&gt;\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Language-Team: LANGUAGE &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">LL at li.org</A>&gt;\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;MIME-Version: 1.0\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> -&quot;Content-Type: text/plain; charset=CHARSET\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> +&quot;Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8-bit\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> -&quot;Plural-Forms: nplurals=INTEGER; plural=EXPRESSION;\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> #: any.pm:270 any.pm:967 diskdrake/interactive.pm:648
+</I>&gt;<i> diskdrake/interactive.pm:871 diskdrake/interactive.pm:931
+</I>&gt;<i> diskdrake/interactive.pm:1033 diskdrake/interactive.pm:1263
+</I>&gt;<i> diskdrake/interactive.pm:1315 do_pkgs.pm:241 do_pkgs.pm:287
+</I>&gt;<i> harddrake/sound.pm:270 interactive.pm:587 pkgs.pm:285
+</I>&gt;<i> #, c-format
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+--
+&gt;<i> R : Tu vois !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Q : Tu crois ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; R : &#199;a casse l'ordre chronologique de l'&#233;change.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Q : En quoi r&#233;pondre au dessus est-il g&#234;nant ?
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+@Michael Scherer
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+I've asked today the maintainers. There were patches for qemu since
+0.11, and they had problems with Linux and BSD distros - only recently
+they decided to push it upstream, because only openSUSE was ready to
+patch qemu against required enhancements. So they started to campaign
+harder (ask the community to campaign) to include the patch into the
+upstream release.
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+They have successfully pushed a patch against VirtualBox 4.1 and now
+they wait for Qemu, and hope to be inside 1.0 (but nobody is sure).
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+My propsition is to patch (I will do that) GNS3 in Mageia1 against patch
+to disable qemu/qemuwrapper features in GUI and import into Mga1 through
+updates (by hands of my mentor) dynamips (requirement of GNS3).
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+ <B>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad</B>
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+Now, I have never eth0 after the boot !
+I do :
+&gt;<i> ifup eth0
+</I>and after only the network come.
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+If I have a Wifi, I see that's wlan0 is good.
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+mcc about eth0 :
+&gt;<i> Identification
+</I>&gt;<i> Fabricant: &#8206;Broadcom Corporation
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Description: &#8206;NetXtreme BCM5761e Gigabit Ethernet PCIe
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Classe de mat&#233;riel: &#8206;Ethernet controller
+</I>
+You said that he come after ? How long after ?
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+--
+Amicalement vOOotre Troumad Alias Bernard SIAUD
+mon site : <A HREF="http://troumad.org">http://troumad.org</A> : AD&amp;D maths WEB...
+Pour la libert&#233; <A HREF="http://www.developpez.net/forums/f17/systemes/linux/">http://www.developpez.net/forums/f17/systemes/linux/</A>
+N'envoyez que des documents avec des formats ouverts, comme
+<A HREF="http://fr.libreoffice.org">http://fr.libreoffice.org</A>
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 9 novembre 2011 14:30:15, Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Naah, tests should avoid that in the same way we did in cauldron... so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; big issues should come out soon and stop the update/ugrade of a package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems no one has tested enough here, as the proposal of update came through
+</I>&gt;<i> this :
+</I>[...]
+I never read somewhere we did test it already on mageia 1.
+The question was &#171; should we provide this package as an update for mageia 1? &#187;
+&amp; not &#171; i did test it on *mageia 1* &amp; everything is ok so can we push it
+directly to updates ... &#187;
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+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 15 November 2011 04:28, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> &gt; spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 3.6.3-2.mga2:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - changed suggests into requires since they are needed
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+</I>&gt;<i> The new version is now installable but makes mediawiki to
+</I>&gt;<i> be uninstalled due to pear(PHPUnit/Framework.php)
+</I>&gt;<i> now being missing
+</I>Yep, this is gone in version 3.6.3
+Wonder how Mandriva is going to work with this. Oden is currently ugrading the
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:19:51 am Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 15 November 2011 04:28, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 3.6.3-2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; + Revision: 167905
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - changed suggests into requires since they are needed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The new version is now installable but makes mediawiki to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be uninstalled due to pear(PHPUnit/Framework.php)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; now being missing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep, this is gone in version 3.6.3
+</I>&gt;<i> Wonder how Mandriva is going to work with this. Oden is currently ugrading
+</I>&gt;<i> the packages.
+</I>Actually, there is a stable 2.17.0 but we don't have a maintainer.
+I don't want to grab it, but if nobody else has any interest in this package,
+I will upgrade it.
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:19:51 am Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 15 November 2011 04:28, Mageia Team&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> spuhler&lt;spuhler&gt; 3.6.3-2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 167905
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - changed suggests into requires since they are needed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The new version is now installable but makes mediawiki to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be uninstalled due to pear(PHPUnit/Framework.php)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> now being missing
+</I>&gt;<i> Let me check. It wasn't available when I went to sleep an I am busy tonight.
+</I>PHPunit is a testing framework. There is no reason it should be needed
+at runtime. Just because rpm enforce automatic dependencies doesn't
+means packagers should be critical about the result.
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+BOFH excuse #218:
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+The UPS doesn't have a battery backup.
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+&gt;<i> Am 15.11.2011 07:29, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 &#224; 22:09 -0800, Robert M. Riches Jr. a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (New list subscriber...needed to fix registered email address to post...)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I was asked to submit this suggestion to the mailing list:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As a Mageia user, I believe msec was much better off with_OUT_
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; sectool. In its present state, sectool is BADLY broken. It
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; whines for pages about file permissions that are exactly as they
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; should be.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Can you be more specific ?
+</I>&gt;<i> It think he means this: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> or <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c21">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c21</A> or
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c22">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c22</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've also become supportive of this, sectool is basically duplicating
+</I>&gt;<i> partly msec functionality, there was no adaption for Mageia, currently it's
+</I>&gt;<i> checking on Mageia with the upstream Fedora configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Honestly this should have been done when importing it, as
+</I>&gt;<i> tmb already mentioned. msec should be patched to not require it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When we can't even get our default security tool to work properly,
+</I>&gt;<i> what's the point in adding a second one which needs even more
+</I>&gt;<i> maintenance?
+</I>
+As you say, the question is again &quot;why was it uploaded in the first place&quot;.
+It seems some packages were uploaded, and there seemed to have not enough
+tests. While that's hard or impossible to avoid totally, that's not really
+the way to achieve a good distribution :/
+
+I neither use msec or sectool, so I personnaly do not care that much.
+Afaik, sectool was created by a ex mandriva/mandrake guy ( vincent danen ),
+because he was ( rightfully ) wanting to rewrite msec, who is/was
+a mess of bash + python + perl code ( and rather ugly code, afaik, last time
+I took a look ), but if msec is supported, and sectool is not, then I guess
+we could drop. However, I still think we should first attempt to collaborate
+and fix it. ( ie, always have the reflex of &quot;try to fix and collaborate&quot; ).
+
+--
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+<PRE>On 17/11/11 10:26, Michael scherer wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:39:29AM +0100, Florian Hubold wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 15.11.2011 07:29, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 &#224; 22:09 -0800, Robert M. Riches Jr. a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (New list subscriber...needed to fix registered email address to post...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was asked to submit this suggestion to the mailing list:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As a Mageia user, I believe msec was much better off with_OUT_
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sectool. In its present state, sectool is BADLY broken. It
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> whines for pages about file permissions that are exactly as they
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should be.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can you be more specific ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It think he means this: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c21">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c21</A> or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c22">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c22</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've also become supportive of this, sectool is basically duplicating
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> partly msec functionality, there was no adaption for Mageia, currently it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> checking on Mageia with the upstream Fedora configuration.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Honestly this should have been done when importing it, as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tmb already mentioned. msec should be patched to not require it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When we can't even get our default security tool to work properly,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what's the point in adding a second one which needs even more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintenance?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you say, the question is again &quot;why was it uploaded in the first place&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems some packages were uploaded, and there seemed to have not enough
+</I>&gt;<i> tests. While that's hard or impossible to avoid totally, that's not really
+</I>&gt;<i> the way to achieve a good distribution :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I neither use msec or sectool, so I personnaly do not care that much.
+</I>&gt;<i> Afaik, sectool was created by a ex mandriva/mandrake guy ( vincent danen ),
+</I>&gt;<i> because he was ( rightfully ) wanting to rewrite msec, who is/was
+</I>&gt;<i> a mess of bash + python + perl code ( and rather ugly code, afaik, last time
+</I>&gt;<i> I took a look ), but if msec is supported, and sectool is not, then I guess
+</I>&gt;<i> we could drop. However, I still think we should first attempt to collaborate
+</I>&gt;<i> and fix it. ( ie, always have the reflex of &quot;try to fix and collaborate&quot; ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+As one of the people who tested it and the one who filed the bug linked
+to above which expresses the need for it to be configured, I object to
+this being blamed on QA! It seems we are kicked whenever anything is wrong.
+
+I believe it is assigned to those higher up to provide a proper
+configuration.
+
+The bug was dated 22nd September and as yet no configuration exists.
+That does not reflect well on the distribution, not that QA haven't
+performed sufficient testing, which we obviously did.
+
+Regards
+Claire Robinson
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+<PRE>Am 17.11.2011 11:26, schrieb Michael scherer:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:39:29AM +0100, Florian Hubold wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 15.11.2011 07:29, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 &#224; 22:09 -0800, Robert M. Riches Jr. a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (New list subscriber...needed to fix registered email address to post...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was asked to submit this suggestion to the mailing list:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As a Mageia user, I believe msec was much better off with_OUT_
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sectool. In its present state, sectool is BADLY broken. It
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> whines for pages about file permissions that are exactly as they
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should be.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can you be more specific ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It think he means this: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c21">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c21</A> or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c22">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c22</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've also become supportive of this, sectool is basically duplicating
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> partly msec functionality, there was no adaption for Mageia, currently it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> checking on Mageia with the upstream Fedora configuration.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Honestly this should have been done when importing it, as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tmb already mentioned. msec should be patched to not require it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When we can't even get our default security tool to work properly,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what's the point in adding a second one which needs even more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintenance?
+</I>&gt;<i> As you say, the question is again &quot;why was it uploaded in the first place&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems some packages were uploaded, and there seemed to have not enough
+</I>&gt;<i> tests. While that's hard or impossible to avoid totally, that's not really
+</I>&gt;<i> the way to achieve a good distribution :/
+</I>In most cases QA can test, but normally with some packages they can't tell:
+Is this the expected result or is this totally off and has to be corrected?
+Like with msec or sectool output, where we'd need security experts
+which know the distro from head to toe and can make educated decisions
+which output or warning is wanted and which bogus.
+
+So in this case it's not QA to blame.
+&gt;<i> I neither use msec or sectool, so I personnaly do not care that much.
+</I>&gt;<i> Afaik, sectool was created by a ex mandriva/mandrake guy ( vincent danen ),
+</I>&gt;<i> because he was ( rightfully ) wanting to rewrite msec, who is/was
+</I>&gt;<i> a mess of bash + python + perl code ( and rather ugly code, afaik, last time
+</I>&gt;<i> I took a look ), but if msec is supported, and sectool is not, then I guess
+</I>&gt;<i> we could drop. However, I still think we should first attempt to collaborate
+</I>&gt;<i> and fix it. ( ie, always have the reflex of &quot;try to fix and collaborate&quot; ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Normally i'd have the same stance on this. But given the facts that we
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+reports and users complaining about msec and superfluous warnings on the default
+security level, which needs some serious love, and the fact that sectool runs with
+upstream (fedora) configuration, and needs the whole configuration adapted
+to Mageia. And that this adds on duplication because the two configurations
+for msec and secgui need to be kept in sync, i'm in favor of dropping it for mga2.
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+Any objections or better proposals?
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+BTW: Vincent Danen wrote sectool for Fedora, and he's currently working in the
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+&gt;<i> Op woensdag 16 november 2011 08:00:40 schreef Sam Bailey:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 16/11/11 07:34, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Op dinsdag 15 november 2011 20:57:14 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; However this is for the recompiled rpm for mga1. (CO with mgarepo,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; and rebuild). I will test on a cauldron install and get back to you.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I can confirm it on my system, normally pxbt should be compiled in, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; it seems it isn't. i'm in communication with upstream to see why. i'll
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; keep you posted. (If you know something about it and cmake, maybe you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; can check why it's not in there?)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cmake -LA in the build directory lists all the config params. There is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; no mention of PBXT at all. Maybe PBXT is not compatibile with MySQL or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; MariaDB 5.5?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> no, there is in the source: storages/pbxt/ directory. but i'm thinking
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe it's due to the forced static and we do shared only. i'm working
+</I>&gt;<i> with upstream on this.
+</I>
+ok, found the issue, i've re-submitted, can you test?
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+&gt;<i> Op woensdag 16 november 2011 08:03:11 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op woensdag 16 november 2011 08:00:40 schreef Sam Bailey:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On 16/11/11 07:34, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Op dinsdag 15 november 2011 20:57:14 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; However this is for the recompiled rpm for mga1. (CO with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mgarepo,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; and rebuild). I will test on a cauldron install and get back
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to you.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I can confirm it on my system, normally pxbt should be compiled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; it seems it isn't. i'm in communication with upstream to see
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> why. i'll
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; keep you posted. (If you know something about it and cmake,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maybe you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; can check why it's not in there?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; cmake -LA in the build directory lists all the config params.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; no mention of PBXT at all. Maybe PBXT is not compatibile with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MySQL or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; MariaDB 5.5?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> no, there is in the source: storages/pbxt/ directory. but i'm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thinking
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maybe it's due to the forced static and we do shared only. i'm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> working
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with upstream on this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ok, found the issue, i've re-submitted, can you test?
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> On 18/11/2011 09:51, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op woensdag 16 november 2011 08:03:11 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ok, found the issue, i've re-submitted, can you test?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will attempt to do that later today (Australian EST time).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+PBXT now works, many thanks.
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+However I've noticed on mysqld start, it errors:
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+&gt;<i> On 18/11/11 10:10, Sam Bailey wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 18/11/2011 09:51, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Op woensdag 16 november 2011 08:03:11 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ok, found the issue, i've re-submitted, can you test?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Will attempt to do that later today (Australian EST time).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PBXT now works, many thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However I've noticed on mysqld start, it errors:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/init.d/mysqld: line 338: [: : integer expression expected
+</I>
+Did you try this on a cauldron, or an stable mga1?
+
+I've got this code copied directly from the mysql package, does mysql have
+this problem too?
+
+Regards,
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+<PRE>On 18 November 2011 07:55, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 7.11.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 168659
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 7.11.1
+</I>
+That was a mistake.
+Please remove core/updates_testing/*7.11*
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+trying to remove oxygen-gtk triggers the removal of 300 packages because
+it seems to be required by gtk+2.0.
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+I don't think it is the case, shall I open a bug report if true?
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+Chris.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 18/11/11 07:38 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 18 november 2011 07:51:27 schreef Sam Bailey:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 18/11/11 10:10, Sam Bailey wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 18/11/2011 09:51, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op woensdag 16 november 2011 08:03:11 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ok, found the issue, i've re-submitted, can you test?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Will attempt to do that later today (Australian EST time).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PBXT now works, many thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However I've noticed on mysqld start, it errors:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/init.d/mysqld: line 338: [: : integer expression expected
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you try this on a cauldron, or an stable mga1?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've got this code copied directly from the mysql package, does mysql have
+</I>&gt;<i> this problem too?
+</I>
+I'm pretty sure I've seen this problem before... can't remember exactly
+what it is but it relates to the path of a utility or a the version file
+(for mysql_update script) or something similar.
+
+I don't have this package installed right now (mysql is kinda part of my
+day job platform, and while I will definitely investigate mariadb, I'm
+not about to jump ship for philosophical reasons just yet (live
+environments running CentOS and RHEL will mean using Maria locally is
+not necessarily a wonderful idea for me just yet! - although mysql
+version differences aren't that clever either and I do that :D)
+
+Col
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Claire Robinson at 17/11/11 12:49 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 17/11/11 10:26, Michael scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:39:29AM +0100, Florian Hubold wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 15.11.2011 07:29, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 &#224; 22:09 -0800, Robert M. Riches Jr. a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (New list subscriber...needed to fix registered email address to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> post...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was asked to submit this suggestion to the mailing list:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As a Mageia user, I believe msec was much better off with_OUT_
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sectool. In its present state, sectool is BADLY broken. It
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> whines for pages about file permissions that are exactly as they
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should be.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can you be more specific ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It think he means this: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c21">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c21</A> or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c22">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c22</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've also become supportive of this, sectool is basically duplicating
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> partly msec functionality, there was no adaption for Mageia,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> currently it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> checking on Mageia with the upstream Fedora configuration.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Honestly this should have been done when importing it, as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tmb already mentioned. msec should be patched to not require it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> When we can't even get our default security tool to work properly,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what's the point in adding a second one which needs even more
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> maintenance?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you say, the question is again &quot;why was it uploaded in the first
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> place&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It seems some packages were uploaded, and there seemed to have not enough
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tests. While that's hard or impossible to avoid totally, that's not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> really
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the way to achieve a good distribution :/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I neither use msec or sectool, so I personnaly do not care that much.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Afaik, sectool was created by a ex mandriva/mandrake guy ( vincent
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> danen ),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because he was ( rightfully ) wanting to rewrite msec, who is/was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a mess of bash + python + perl code ( and rather ugly code, afaik,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> last time
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I took a look ), but if msec is supported, and sectool is not, then I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> guess
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we could drop. However, I still think we should first attempt to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> collaborate
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and fix it. ( ie, always have the reflex of &quot;try to fix and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> collaborate&quot; ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As one of the people who tested it and the one who filed the bug linked
+</I>&gt;<i> to above which expresses the need for it to be configured, I object to
+</I>&gt;<i> this being blamed on QA! It seems we are kicked whenever anything is wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I believe it is assigned to those higher up to provide a proper
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The bug was dated 22nd September and as yet no configuration exists.
+</I>&gt;<i> That does not reflect well on the distribution, not that QA haven't
+</I>&gt;<i> performed sufficient testing, which we obviously did.
+</I>
+Knowing misc a little bit I don't think for a second he was intending to
+blame QA team here.
+
+More the initial &quot;blind import&quot; (which was a hard time to do overly much
+testing as I'm sure all will agree!) without properly checking things then.
+
+So please don't take it personally, I really don't think he was
+targeting you :)
+
+Col
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+<PRE>It is wanted, because we default to oxygen gtk-style, which is hardcoded in
+gtk's configuration files and source code.
+&#22312; 2011-11-18 &#19979;&#21320;3:52&#65292;&quot;eatdirt&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dirteat at gmail.com</A>&gt;&#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> trying to remove oxygen-gtk triggers the removal of 300 packages because
+</I>&gt;<i> it seems to be required by gtk+2.0.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think it is the case, shall I open a bug report if true?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Chris.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 16/11/11 16:45 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 11/16/2011 11:00 AM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since yesterday's updates, I've done repeated (3) fresh cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installs on a partition on an Acer Aspire One. In each case, after
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mounting the partition from another working partition and rebuilding
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the initrd with radeon-firmware, booting the new partition gets to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> point of putting up the Mageia splash screen, and then hangs for 10 or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 15 *minutes* before the DM finally starts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As an addenda, this didn't happen on the second boot, only on the
+</I>&gt;<i> first. On the second boot, there was only about 1 minute delay between
+</I>&gt;<i> the appearance of the splashscreen and the start of the DM.
+</I>
+See my earlier mail about debugging boot times using bootchart. This
+should at least help you understand why it takes 1 minute and help debug.
+
+As for the longer delay, I'm not 100% sure. I don't know much about the
+radeon drivers, but it would be easy enough to tell your
+plymouth-quit-wait.service to not start which might help &quot;systemctl
+disable plymouth-quit-wait.service&quot;
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+If you do not use LVM or anything else &quot;exotic&quot;, you can likely also
+call &quot;systemctl disable udev-settle.service&quot; too which might speed up
+your boot.
+
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+Not got an immediate ideas yet, as I've been out the loop for the last
+week or so getting my head down at work.
+
+Col
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+Colin Guthrie
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> I'm pretty sure I've seen this problem before... can't remember exactly
+</I>&gt;<i> what it is but it relates to the path of a utility or a the version file
+</I>&gt;<i> (for mysql_update script) or something similar.
+</I>
+i'll check it out
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+&gt;<i> I don't have this package installed right now (mysql is kinda part of my
+</I>&gt;<i> day job platform, and while I will definitely investigate mariadb, I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> not about to jump ship for philosophical reasons just yet (live
+</I>&gt;<i> environments running CentOS and RHEL will mean using Maria locally is
+</I>&gt;<i> not necessarily a wonderful idea for me just yet! - although mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> version differences aren't that clever either and I do that :D)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+Considering i'm noticing that mariadb just starts from a 5.5 branch of mysql,
+then applies the patches that have always been rejected, then add the new
+storage engines, it's pretty identical to mysql. and on top of that, they seem
+more acceptable to upstreaming our mageia patches (which i partly did), so it
+might just be easier maintainable.
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+<PRE>On 18/11/11 18:38, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 18 november 2011 07:51:27 schreef Sam Bailey:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 18/11/11 10:10, Sam Bailey wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ok, found the issue, i've re-submitted, can you test?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Will attempt to do that later today (Australian EST time).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PBXT now works, many thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However I've noticed on mysqld start, it errors:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/init.d/mysqld: line 338: [: : integer expression expected
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you try this on a cauldron, or an stable mga1?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've got this code copied directly from the mysql package, does mysql have
+</I>&gt;<i> this problem too?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maarten
+</I>
+I was testing on mga1 with basic rebuild only. I'll be setting up a
+cauldron test environment this weekend though to compare.
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+&gt;<i> I was testing on mga1 with basic rebuild only. I'll be setting up a
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron test environment this weekend though to compare.
+</I>
+awesome
+
+meanwhile, i hear from mariadb, that next week they'll be merging the latest
+changes from 5.3 branch into it, and that should be the last big push for 5.5
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+I have encountered this issue when I installed the released mageia. I think I had a similar issue with Ubuntu.
+No such issue with Fedora, Centos or Scientific Linux.
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+I have 3 1TB sata hard disks
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+The first disk has
+xosl boot loader
+Free Dos
+gentoo
+FC15
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+The second disk has
+Mageia
+Scientific Linux
+Centos
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+The third disk has eComStation 3.1 (OS/2 Warp 4.5)
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+When I installed it it would give me a boot error. I found out later that grub was not installed properly.
+The hard disks are installed in the right order.
+I did notice that xosl sees the reverse order for the 2nd and 3rd disk. When going in fdisk the order is correct.
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+I then booted mageia using grub in Scientific Linux. I installed grub and it worked after that. I did notice when I tell grub to look for the boot it wrongly identified the drive as being the first one when it is actually the second drive.
+
+I am puzzled because if there is indeed an error on what the bios returns Scientific Linux and Centos would have screwed up too.
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+&gt;<i> See my earlier mail about debugging boot times using bootchart. This
+</I>&gt;<i> should at least help you understand why it takes 1 minute and help debug.
+</I>
+I'm not that concerned about the minute; this laptop is pretty slow in
+general.
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+&gt;<i> As for the longer delay, I'm not 100% sure. I don't know much about the
+</I>&gt;<i> radeon drivers, but it would be easy enough to tell your
+</I>&gt;<i> plymouth-quit-wait.service to not start which might help &quot;systemctl
+</I>&gt;<i> disable plymouth-quit-wait.service&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you do not use LVM or anything else &quot;exotic&quot;, you can likely also
+</I>&gt;<i> call &quot;systemctl disable udev-settle.service&quot; too which might speed up
+</I>&gt;<i> your boot.
+</I>
+OK, thanks, I'll give that a try at the next test.
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+Which mageia did you install? mageia1(or mageia2 alfa?) and from what
+installation medium? livecd/installDVD/netboot?
+
+the best way to give us opportunity is to file a bugreport at
+<A HREF="http://bugs.mageia.org/">http://bugs.mageia.org/</A> .
+
+furthermore, Scientific linux, does that use grub2 or grub1?
+
+where did you install the grub bootloader on during install? partition or
+disk?
+
+Op vrijdag 18 november 2011 13:44:33 schreef Michel Catudal:
+&gt;<i> I have encountered this issue when I installed the released mageia. I think
+</I>&gt;<i> I had a similar issue with Ubuntu. No such issue with Fedora, Centos or
+</I>&gt;<i> Scientific Linux.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have 3 1TB sata hard disks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The first disk has
+</I>&gt;<i> xosl boot loader
+</I>&gt;<i> Free Dos
+</I>&gt;<i> gentoo
+</I>&gt;<i> FC15
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The second disk has
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> Scientific Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> Centos
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The third disk has eComStation 3.1 (OS/2 Warp 4.5)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When I installed it it would give me a boot error. I found out later that
+</I>&gt;<i> grub was not installed properly. The hard disks are installed in the right
+</I>&gt;<i> order.
+</I>&gt;<i> I did notice that xosl sees the reverse order for the 2nd and 3rd disk.
+</I>&gt;<i> When going in fdisk the order is correct.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I then booted mageia using grub in Scientific Linux. I installed grub and
+</I>&gt;<i> it worked after that. I did notice when I tell grub to look for the boot
+</I>&gt;<i> it wrongly identified the drive as being the first one when it is actually
+</I>&gt;<i> the second drive.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am puzzled because if there is indeed an error on what the bios returns
+</I>&gt;<i> Scientific Linux and Centos would have screwed up too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Michel Catudal
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Claire Robinson at 17/11/11 12:49 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 17/11/11 10:26, Michael scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:39:29AM +0100, Florian Hubold wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 15.11.2011 07:29, schrieb Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 &#224; 22:09 -0800, Robert M. Riches Jr. a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (New list subscriber...needed to fix registered email address to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> post...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was asked to submit this suggestion to the mailing list:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As a Mageia user, I believe msec was much better off with_OUT_
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sectool. In its present state, sectool is BADLY broken. It
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> whines for pages about file permissions that are exactly as they
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should be.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can you be more specific ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It think he means this: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2808</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c21">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c21</A> or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c22">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2255#c22</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've also become supportive of this, sectool is basically duplicating
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> partly msec functionality, there was no adaption for Mageia,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> currently it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> checking on Mageia with the upstream Fedora configuration.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Honestly this should have been done when importing it, as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tmb already mentioned. msec should be patched to not require it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> When we can't even get our default security tool to work properly,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what's the point in adding a second one which needs even more
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> maintenance?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As you say, the question is again &quot;why was it uploaded in the first
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> place&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It seems some packages were uploaded, and there seemed to have not enough
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tests. While that's hard or impossible to avoid totally, that's not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> really
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the way to achieve a good distribution :/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I neither use msec or sectool, so I personnaly do not care that much.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Afaik, sectool was created by a ex mandriva/mandrake guy ( vincent
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> danen ),
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because he was ( rightfully ) wanting to rewrite msec, who is/was
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a mess of bash + python + perl code ( and rather ugly code, afaik,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> last time
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I took a look ), but if msec is supported, and sectool is not, then I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> guess
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we could drop. However, I still think we should first attempt to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> collaborate
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and fix it. ( ie, always have the reflex of &quot;try to fix and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> collaborate&quot; ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As one of the people who tested it and the one who filed the bug linked
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to above which expresses the need for it to be configured, I object to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this being blamed on QA! It seems we are kicked whenever anything is wrong.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I believe it is assigned to those higher up to provide a proper
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> configuration.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The bug was dated 22nd September and as yet no configuration exists.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That does not reflect well on the distribution, not that QA haven't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> performed sufficient testing, which we obviously did.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Knowing misc a little bit I don't think for a second he was intending to
+</I>&gt;<i> blame QA team here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> More the initial &quot;blind import&quot; (which was a hard time to do overly much
+</I>&gt;<i> testing as I'm sure all will agree!) without properly checking things then.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So please don't take it personally, I really don't think he was
+</I>&gt;<i> targeting you :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+A bug was created for the issues found during testing to be resolved. No
+new issues have arisen since then.
+
+What is being discussed now are only the issues raised by QA at the time
+showing, if anything, that testing was quite thoroughly completed. No
+extra testing time was necessary.
+
+I don't take this personally and I hope you will see this correction of
+the facts in the same light. This is the second time in a week though
+that QA has had to offer corrections against the assumption of a level
+of neglect.
+
+Claire
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+&gt;<i> It is wanted, because we default to oxygen gtk-style, which is hardcoded
+</I>&gt;<i> in gtk's configuration files and source code.
+</I>
+Hi Funda
+I tried to remove it the hard way, rpm -e --nodep, and all my gtk
+windows work good. So, are you sure about this? Maybe if not found,
+there is a default behaviour.
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+By the way, I did that because I found it ugly compared to the default,
+but that my personal taste :)
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+On 2011.11.18, at 13:15, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 18 november 2011 12:55:36 schreef Sam Bailey:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was testing on mga1 with basic rebuild only. I'll be setting up a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron test environment this weekend though to compare.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> awesome
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> meanwhile, i hear from mariadb, that next week they'll be merging the latest
+</I>&gt;<i> changes from 5.3 branch into it, and that should be the last big push for 5.5
+</I>&gt;<i> branch.
+</I>
+
+I got the problem in /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysqld, line 329:
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+ # Check if the system database should be updated and alert the user.
+ NEW_VER=&quot;`$libexecdir/mysqld --version | awk '{ print $3}'`&quot;
+ OLD_VER=&quot;`cat $datadir/mysql_upgrade_info`&quot;
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+ MAJOR=&quot;`echo $1|cut -d. -f1`&quot;; MINOR=&quot;`echo $1|cut -d. -f2`&quot;; PATCH=&quot;`echo $1|cut -d. -f3`&quot;
+ expr 10000 \* ${MAJOR} + 100 \* ${MINOR} + ${PATCH}
+ }
+
+Original MySQL gives (tested on CentOS):
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+nada:~&gt; /usr/libexec/mysqld --version
+/usr/libexec/mysqld Ver 5.1.52 for unknown-linux-gnu on x86_64 (Source distribution)
+nada:~&gt; /usr/libexec/mysqld --version | awk '{ print $3}'
+5.1.52
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+MariaDB:
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+werewolf:~# /usr/sbin/mysqld --version
+/usr/sbin/mysqld Ver 5.5.15-MariaDB for Linux on x86_64 (Mageia - MariaDB Community Edition (GPL))
+werewolf:~# /usr/sbin/mysqld --version | awk '{ print $3}'
+5.5.15-MariaDB
+werewolf:~# /usr/sbin/mysqld --version | awk '{ print $3}' | cut -d. -f3
+15-MariaDB
+
+See the -MariaDB tail in version ? This makes expr fail because PATCH is
+not a number.
+
+Quick Hack: change awk to:
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+&gt;<i> On 18/11/11 11:41, Funda Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is wanted, because we default to oxygen gtk-style, which is hardcoded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in gtk's configuration files and source code.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Funda
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried to remove it the hard way, rpm -e --nodep, and all my gtk windows
+</I>&gt;<i> work good. So, are you sure about this? Maybe if not found, there is a
+</I>&gt;<i> default behaviour.
+</I>Probably because you already switch from oxygen-gtk to another style.
+So gtk apps are already using the theme you did choose.
+You should reinstall it, switch back to oxygen-gtk &amp; then remove it
+again to see if it's really pretty without it by default ;o)
+
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I tried to remove it the hard way, rpm -e --nodep, and all my gtk windows
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work good. So, are you sure about this? Maybe if not found, there is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> default behaviour.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Probably because you already switch from oxygen-gtk to another style.
+</I>&gt;<i> So gtk apps are already using the theme you did choose.
+</I>&gt;<i> You should reinstall it, switch back to oxygen-gtk&amp; then remove it
+</I>&gt;<i> again to see if it's really pretty without it by default ;o)
+</I>
+In fact, I have just tested what you said on a basesystem-minimal.
+
+1) install libgtk+2.0-devel
+
+2) try the most basic gtk windows from &quot;gtk-demo&quot;
+
+It is full of oxygen-gtk as expected, but without font :)
+
+So, it looks like a Requires basic fonts is missing (gnu-free-* do the
+jobs).
+
+
+3) rpm -e --nodeps oxygen-gtk
+
+(and rpm -e liboxygen-gtk)
+
+try again gtk-demo, it works perfectly fine with simple widgets, which
+by the way are very fast.
+
+
+SO, I am reiterating my statement that oxygen-gtk should *not* be a
+Requires :) Why not simply do a Suggests?
+
+I am concerned about this because already on my 4 years old machine, the
+oxygen-gtk menu are slightly slower than the basic gtk. So I am pretty
+sure people with old machines won't be happy to have nice rounded blue
+slow menus.
+
+What do you think?
+
+Cheers,
+Chris.
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+&gt;<i> As for the longer delay, I'm not 100% sure. I don't know much about
+</I>&gt;<i> the radeon drivers, but it would be easy enough to tell your
+</I>&gt;<i> plymouth-quit-wait.service to not start which might help &quot;systemctl
+</I>&gt;<i> disable plymouth-quit-wait.service&quot; If you do not use LVM or anything
+</I>&gt;<i> else &quot;exotic&quot;, you can likely also call &quot;systemctl disable
+</I>&gt;<i> udev-settle.service&quot; too which might speed up your boot. Not got an
+</I>&gt;<i> immediate ideas yet, as I've been out the loop for the last week or so
+</I>&gt;<i> getting my head down at work. Col
+</I>
+OK, after the latest fresh install, I booted a rescue disk, chroot'ed to
+the mounted new root partition, and disabled those two services. The
+first boot of the new system still got the looong delay.
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+One thing I noticed is that the Mageia splashscreen comes up initially,
+disappears after a few seconds as if X is going to come up, the screen
+then goes from dark-blank to pitch-dark, and then the splashscreen comes
+back. It is then that the slooow progression of the progress dots begins.
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+On the second boot, there is no reappearance of the splashscreen.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magallon at 18/11/11 14:29 did gyre and gimble:
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 2011.11.18, at 13:15, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 18 november 2011 12:55:36 schreef Sam Bailey:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was testing on mga1 with basic rebuild only. I'll be setting up a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron test environment this weekend though to compare.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> awesome
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> meanwhile, i hear from mariadb, that next week they'll be merging the latest
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> changes from 5.3 branch into it, and that should be the last big push for 5.5
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> branch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I got the problem in /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysqld, line 329:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # Check if the system database should be updated and alert the user.
+</I>&gt;<i> NEW_VER=&quot;`$libexecdir/mysqld --version | awk '{ print $3}'`&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> OLD_VER=&quot;`cat $datadir/mysql_upgrade_info`&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> get_mysql_id() {
+</I>&gt;<i> MAJOR=&quot;`echo $1|cut -d. -f1`&quot;; MINOR=&quot;`echo $1|cut -d. -f2`&quot;; PATCH=&quot;`echo $1|cut -d. -f3`&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> expr 10000 \* ${MAJOR} + 100 \* ${MINOR} + ${PATCH}
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Original MySQL gives (tested on CentOS):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> nada:~&gt; /usr/libexec/mysqld --version
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/libexec/mysqld Ver 5.1.52 for unknown-linux-gnu on x86_64 (Source distribution)
+</I>&gt;<i> nada:~&gt; /usr/libexec/mysqld --version | awk '{ print $3}'
+</I>&gt;<i> 5.1.52
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> MariaDB:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:~# /usr/sbin/mysqld --version
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/mysqld Ver 5.5.15-MariaDB for Linux on x86_64 (Mageia - MariaDB Community Edition (GPL))
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:~# /usr/sbin/mysqld --version | awk '{ print $3}'
+</I>&gt;<i> 5.5.15-MariaDB
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:~# /usr/sbin/mysqld --version | awk '{ print $3}' | cut -d. -f3
+</I>&gt;<i> 15-MariaDB
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See the -MariaDB tail in version ? This makes expr fail because PATCH is
+</I>&gt;<i> not a number.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Quick Hack: change awk to:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/mysqld --version | cut -d' ' -f4 | cut -d- -f 1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Works both in MySQL and MariaDB.
+</I>
+Nice.
+
+I had it in my head that it was a thing to do with version numbers as I
+mentioned earlier... this seems like a valid enough fix :)
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> Quick Hack: change awk to:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/mysqld --version | cut -d' ' -f4 | cut -d- -f 1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Works both in MySQL and MariaDB.
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 18 november 2011 23:18:57 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 18 november 2011 15:29:51 schreef JA Magallon:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Quick Hack: change awk to:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /usr/sbin/mysqld --version | cut -d' ' -f4 | cut -d- -f 1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Works both in MySQL and MariaDB.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks i'll try and put it in.
+</I>
+it should be fixed in 5.5.15-0.3.mga2 .
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+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 18 november 2011 23:18:57 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 18 november 2011 15:29:51 schreef JA Magallon:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Quick Hack: change awk to:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/mysqld --version | cut -d' ' -f4 | cut -d- -f 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Works both in MySQL and MariaDB.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thanks i'll try and put it in.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it should be fixed in 5.5.15-0.3.mga2 .
+</I>
+It's fixed for NEW_VER(mysql-&gt;maridb upgrade) but not for OLD_VER
+(upgrading an existing mariadb install)
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+It works if OLD_VER in initscript is changed from:
+OLD_VER=&quot;`cat $datadir/mysql_upgrade_info`&quot;
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+To:
+OLD_VER=&quot;`cat $datadir/mysql_upgrade_info | cut -d' ' -f4 | cut -d- -f 1`&quot;
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+<PRE>Le 18/11/2011 08:09, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which mageia did you install? mageia1(or mageia2 alfa?) and from what
+</I>&gt;<i> installation medium? livecd/installDVD/netboot?
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+The release AMD64 DVD that I found on Magia web site on Sept 27th 2011
+
+&gt;<i> the best way to give us opportunity is to file a bugreport at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://bugs.mageia.org/">http://bugs.mageia.org/</A> .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> furthermore, Scientific linux, does that use grub2 or grub1?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Grub 1
+
+&gt;<i> where did you install the grub bootloader on during install? partition or
+</I>&gt;<i> disk?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I goofed in my previous Email. My 3 hard disks are 2TB each and not 1TB. I had forgotten that I gave my small 1TB disk to my son.
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+boot is on /dev/sdb3 so that is where grub had to be installed
+the bootloader xosl resides on /dev/sda1
+For OS/2 the bootloader makes a swap so OS/2 thinks that the 3rd drive is the first one. Same principle I use on my son's computer for his Win XP.
+
+Disque /dev/sdb: 2000.4 Go, 2000398934016 octets
+255 t&#234;tes, 63 secteurs/piste, 243201 cylindres, total 3907029168 secteurs
+Unit&#233;s = secteurs de 1 * 512 = 512 octets
+Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
+I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
+Identifiant de disque : 0x000eb4bc
+
+P&#233;riph&#233;rique Amorce D&#233;but Fin Blocs Id Syst&#232;me
+/dev/sdb1 2048 288767 143360 83 Linux
+/dev/sdb2 288768 575487 143360 83 Linux
+/dev/sdb3 * 575488 862207 143360 83 Linux
+/dev/sdb4 862208 3907029167 1953083480 5 Etendue
+/dev/sdb5 864256 1150975 143360 83 Linux
+/dev/sdb6 1153024 7444479 3145728 82 Linux swap / Solaris
+/dev/sdb7 7446528 1056022527 524288000 83 Linux
+/dev/sdb8 1056024576 2104600575 524288000 83 Linux
+/dev/sdb9 2104602624 3153178623 524288000 83 Linux
+/dev/sdb10 3153180672 3907029167 376924248 83 Linux
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+Disque /dev/sda: 2000.4 Go, 2000398934016 octets
+255 t&#234;tes, 63 secteurs/piste, 243201 cylindres, total 3907029168 secteurs
+Unit&#233;s = secteurs de 1 * 512 = 512 octets
+Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
+I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
+Identifiant de disque : 0x0004eedf
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+/dev/sda2 16065 4192964 2088450 6 FAT16
+/dev/sda3 * 4192965 4433939 120487+ 83 Linux
+/dev/sda4 4433940 3907024064 1951295062+ 5 Etendue
+/dev/sda5 4434003 12048749 3807373+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris
+/dev/sda6 12048813 12289724 120456 83 Linux
+/dev/sda7 12289788 12530699 120456 83 Linux
+/dev/sda8 12530763 12771674 120456 83 Linux
+/dev/sda9 12771738 963899999 475564131 83 Linux
+/dev/sda10 963900063 1927799999 481949968+ 83 Linux
+/dev/sda11 1927800063 2570399999 321299968+ 83 Linux
+/dev/sda12 2570400063 3212999999 321299968+ 83 Linux
+/dev/sda13 3213000063 3907024064 347012001 83 Linux
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+Disque /dev/sdc: 2000.4 Go, 2000398934016 octets
+255 t&#234;tes, 63 secteurs/piste, 243201 cylindres, total 3907029168 secteurs
+Unit&#233;s = secteurs de 1 * 512 = 512 octets
+Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
+I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
+Identifiant de disque : 0x00000000
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+P&#233;riph&#233;rique Amorce D&#233;but Fin Blocs Id Syst&#232;me
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+/dev/sdc2 1228842450 3907027124 1339092337+ f W95 Etendue (LBA)
+/dev/sdc5 1228842705 1231963649 1560472+ 7 HPFS/NTFS
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+/dev/sdc8 3087842430 3907027124 409592347+ 7 HPFS/NTFS
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 19 november 2011 03:37:08 schreef Sam Bailey:
+&gt;<i> On 19/11/11 10:48, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op vrijdag 18 november 2011 23:18:57 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Op vrijdag 18 november 2011 15:29:51 schreef JA Magallon:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Quick Hack: change awk to:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; /usr/sbin/mysqld --version | cut -d' ' -f4 | cut -d- -f 1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Works both in MySQL and MariaDB.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; thanks i'll try and put it in.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it should be fixed in 5.5.15-0.3.mga2 .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's fixed for NEW_VER(mysql-&gt;maridb upgrade) but not for OLD_VER
+</I>&gt;<i> (upgrading an existing mariadb install)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It works if OLD_VER in initscript is changed from:
+</I>&gt;<i> OLD_VER=&quot;`cat $datadir/mysql_upgrade_info`&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To:
+</I>&gt;<i> OLD_VER=&quot;`cat $datadir/mysql_upgrade_info | cut -d' ' -f4 | cut -d- -f 1`&quot;
+</I>
+thanks, i've modified it and submitted again
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+&gt;<i> On Wednesday, November 02, 2011 05:51:47 pm Funda Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011/11/3 D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; so what to do ? we drop it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, please drop php-ffmpeg.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please drop it.
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+What do I need to do to get it dropped?
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+<PRE>Le 19/11/2011 18:33, Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Sunday, November 06, 2011 09:07:01 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wednesday, November 02, 2011 05:51:47 pm Funda Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/3 D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so what to do ? we drop it ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, please drop php-ffmpeg.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please drop it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do I need to do to get it dropped?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Just svn rm &lt;adress_sv_ssh&gt;/cauldron/&lt;pkg&gt;/current I think.
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+<PRE>On 19.11.2011 18:43, Sandro CAZZANIGA wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 19/11/2011 18:33, Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sunday, November 06, 2011 09:07:01 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wednesday, November 02, 2011 05:51:47 pm Funda Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/3 D.Morgan&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so what to do ? we drop it ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, please drop php-ffmpeg.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please drop it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What do I need to do to get it dropped?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just svn rm&lt;adress_sv_ssh&gt;/cauldron/&lt;pkg&gt;/current I think.
+</I>And commit
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+&gt;<i> On 19.11.2011 18:43, Sandro CAZZANIGA wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 19/11/2011 18:33, Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sunday, November 06, 2011 09:07:01 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wednesday, November 02, 2011 05:51:47 pm Funda Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/3 D.Morgan&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so what to do ? we drop it ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, please drop php-ffmpeg.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please drop it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do I need to do to get it dropped?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just svn rm&lt;adress_sv_ssh&gt;/cauldron/&lt;pkg&gt;/current I think.
+</I>&gt;<i> And commit
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>And commit :)
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Sandro CAZZANIGA at 19/11/11 18:00 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 19/11/2011 18:49, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 19.11.2011 18:43, Sandro CAZZANIGA wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 19/11/2011 18:33, Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sunday, November 06, 2011 09:07:01 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wednesday, November 02, 2011 05:51:47 pm Funda Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/3 D.Morgan&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so what to do ? we drop it ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, please drop php-ffmpeg.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please drop it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do I need to do to get it dropped?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just svn rm&lt;adress_sv_ssh&gt;/cauldron/&lt;pkg&gt;/current I think.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And commit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And commit :)
+</I>
+If you pass in the full URL rather than just using the working tree then
+commit is implied.... In fact as you'd want to remove the &lt;pkg&gt; folder
+too, then this is likely the better way to do it.
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+<PRE>Le samedi 19 novembre 2011 15:00:52, Sandro CAZZANIGA a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 19/11/2011 18:49, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 19.11.2011 18:43, Sandro CAZZANIGA wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le 19/11/2011 18:33, Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; On Sunday, November 06, 2011 09:07:01 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Wednesday, November 02, 2011 05:51:47 pm Funda Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/11/3 D.Morgan&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; so what to do ? we drop it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Yes, please drop php-ffmpeg.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Please drop it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; What do I need to do to get it dropped?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Just svn rm&lt;adress_sv_ssh&gt;/cauldron/&lt;pkg&gt;/current I think.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And commit
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And commit :)
+</I>Well it should also be removed from the repository in the same way.
+
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+<PRE>On Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:26:22 am Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Sandro CAZZANIGA at 19/11/11 18:00 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 19/11/2011 18:49, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 19.11.2011 18:43, Sandro CAZZANIGA wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Le 19/11/2011 18:33, Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Sunday, November 06, 2011 09:07:01 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Wednesday, November 02, 2011 05:51:47 pm Funda Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/11/3 D.Morgan&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; so what to do ? we drop it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Yes, please drop php-ffmpeg.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Please drop it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; What do I need to do to get it dropped?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Just svn rm&lt;adress_sv_ssh&gt;/cauldron/&lt;pkg&gt;/current I think.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; And commit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And commit :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you pass in the full URL rather than just using the working tree then
+</I>&gt;<i> commit is implied.... In fact as you'd want to remove the &lt;pkg&gt; folder
+</I>&gt;<i> too, then this is likely the better way to do it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>Would you mind to check if I did this correct?
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+&gt;<i> On 18/11/11 15:34, John Balcaen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I tried to remove it the hard way, rpm -e --nodep, and all my gtk
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> windows
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> work good. So, are you sure about this? Maybe if not found, there is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> default behaviour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Probably because you already switch from oxygen-gtk to another style.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So gtk apps are already using the theme you did choose.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You should reinstall it, switch back to oxygen-gtk&amp; then remove it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> again to see if it's really pretty without it by default ;o)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In fact, I have just tested what you said on a basesystem-minimal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) install libgtk+2.0-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) try the most basic gtk windows from &quot;gtk-demo&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is full of oxygen-gtk as expected, but without font :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, it looks like a Requires basic fonts is missing (gnu-free-* do the
+</I>&gt;<i> jobs).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) rpm -e --nodeps oxygen-gtk
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (and rpm -e liboxygen-gtk)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> try again gtk-demo, it works perfectly fine with simple widgets, which
+</I>&gt;<i> by the way are very fast.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> SO, I am reiterating my statement that oxygen-gtk should *not* be a
+</I>&gt;<i> Requires :) Why not simply do a Suggests?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am concerned about this because already on my 4 years old machine,
+</I>&gt;<i> the oxygen-gtk menu are slightly slower than the basic gtk. So I am
+</I>&gt;<i> pretty sure people with old machines won't be happy to have nice
+</I>&gt;<i> rounded blue slow menus.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Chris.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I agree totally. I always install a simpler and faster style myself,
+since I like a simpler appearance, and appreciate the speed as well.
+And as you suggest, we mustn't forget that many (if not most) users (and
+potential users) don't have the latest and greatest with 4 or more cores
+and 8M of memory
+
+Regards
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+<PRE>I started to work improving sugar. While I noticed the base of sugar is there,
+I missed that ennael had imported a lot of packages 4 months ago without
+submitting them.
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+So please drop sugar-calculator RPM and SRC from cauldron mirrors.RPM as it is
+the same as sugar-calculate-activity. This way, names are the same as in
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+&gt;<i> So please drop sugar-calculator RPM and SRC from cauldron mirrors.RPM as it
+</I>&gt;<i> is the same as sugar-calculate-activity. This way, names are the same as
+</I>&gt;<i> in Mandriva.
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+And the same for sugar-browse, I keep sugar-browse-activity . Now everything
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+&gt;<i> Revision 169631 Author juancho Date 2011-11-20 03:10:59 +0100 (Sun, 20 Nov
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> +Obsoletes: amarok-scripts
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+</I>&gt;<i> -Obsoletes: amarok-scripts &lt; 3:2.4.3-2
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+It's far better to keep the versionnate :
+- you don't know if sometimes someone won't ressurect it .
+- we'll be able to track the version &amp; eventually remove it when
+mageia 1 won't be supported anymore for upgrade.
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+PS: Once alien pushed mariadb on core/release maybe you can try to
+built it against mariadb instead of mysql ? :)
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+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> 2011/11/19 &#160;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 169631 Author juancho Date 2011-11-20 03:10:59 +0100 (Sun, 20 Nov
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Obsoletes: amarok-scripts
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Obsoletes: amarok-scripts &lt; 3:2.4.3-2
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> It's far better to keep the versionnate :
+</I>&gt;<i> - you don't know if sometimes someone won't ressurect it .
+</I>&gt;<i> - we'll be able to track the version &amp; eventually remove it when
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia 1 won't be supported anymore for upgrade.
+</I>Btw there's at least a warning regarding obsolete without versionate
+in rpmlint so :p
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+<PRE>Hello!
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+I observe that we have hundreds of abandoned packages - once imported -
+at times with changes committed - finally never successfully pushed to
+Build Server.
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+What to do with them? Will be there an adoption day of these packages?
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+I have preparded simple list (not sure it's 100% correct)
+ORBit adf-gillius-2-fonts aegisub aide alexandria amanda amrwb android
+annox apache-commons-cli-avalon apache-commons-cli2 apcupsd arduino
+atunes audacious-cube avant-window-navigator avr-binutils avro
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+bombono-dvd bootsplash-themes bullet camorama ccs-tools celt071
+centericq chrootuid cinepaint cirkuit classpathx-jaf clojure-contrib
+codeina colortail compositing-server-common cpuspeed create db2 db3 db42
+dcc dcmtk dhcpdump django-mptt dpatch drakfax drakfirsttime drakstats
+dsniff dssl dvi2tty dvipdfmx e-uae ecap-samples ecj-bootstrap
+eclipse-checkstyle eclipse-collabnet-merge eclipse-dltk eclipse-egit
+eclipse-emf-query eclipse-mylyn-builds eclipse-photran eggdrop elektra
+elicit elisa elisa-plugins-bad elisa-plugins-good elisa-plugins-ugly
+elitaire elsa emacs-auctex emerald emerald-themes emphasis empower enity
+entrance esound estickies etoys ettercap-ng evolution-mapi evolvotron
+excalibur-avalon-logkit fasm fastjson ffms fimount-es
+firefox-ext-r-kiosk flphoto fonts-ttf-libertine freenx freespeak
+fullrecall gant gdk-pixbuf geeqie geronimo-annotation-1_1-api
+geronimo-corba-api geronimo-jaxrpc-1_1-api getlive gigi glib glib-java
+gmetadom gmpc-mdcover gnome-do-plugins gnome-libs gnome-speaker-setup
+gnu.getopt gq gradle grepmail groovy17 gsc gtk+ gtk+extra-2 gtkam
+gtkdatabox gtksourceview3 hadoop haproxy hgsubversion
+hibernate-validator horde-kolab-freebusy hppc htdig html-xml-utils
+hugs98 hulahop hunspell-mg hunspell-mt hyphen-id ibus-table-array30 icu3
+ike imagej imageshack-uploader imlib jakarta-commons-dbcp
+jakarta-commons-el jakarta-commons-io jakarta-commons-transaction
+jakarta-slide-webdavclient java-1.7.0-openjdk java_lzma
+jaxb2-common-basics jetty-eclipse jetty5 jetty7 jruby-embed json-smart
+jsr223-scripting-engines jsr292-backport jtds kernel-xen kftpgrabber kim
+kim4 kio-gopher klavaro koffice koffice-l10n kryo ksh ktoon kuickshow
+kverbos lemonldap-ng libapplewm libdesktop-agnostic libgdome libguestfs
+libjpeg-turbo libkactivities libkface libkmap libomxil-bellagio libowfat
+librcps libscigraphica linuxdcpp lirc-remotes luke lxappearance-obconf
+lxshortcut lzma-utils madb magicpoint magicrescue manbo-files-gcc
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+scim-honoka-plugin-prime scim-honoka-plugin-romkan
+scim-honoka-plugin-simpleprediction scim-honoka-plugin-skkdic
+scim-panel-gnome scim-prime scim-qtimm scim-ruby scim-sinhala screentest
+seamonkey slmodem solfege speed-dreams speed-dreams-data-HQ
+speed-dreams-data-base speed-dreams-data-more-HQ speed-dreams-data-wip
+sphinx spring-build-ant spring-build-aws-ant spring-build-aws-ivy
+spring-build-aws-maven spring-build-osgi-ant spring-ws-xml spring2
+spring3 springlobby springsource-bundlor springsource-util
+sql-maven-plugin squeak-vm sssd steghide subtitleeditor suck
+sugar-browse-activity sugar-calculate-activity sugar-chat-activity
+sugar-etoys-activity sugar-fructose sugar-glucose
+sugar-imageviewer-activity sugar-jukebox-activity sugar-log-activity
+sugar-pippy-activity sugar-read-activity sugar-terminal-activity
+sugar-turtleart-activity sugar-write-activity system-switch-java task-bs
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+tinyerp tomoe tomoe-gtk txt2man typica tyrex tyrs uboot-mkimage
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+virt-mem virt-top visualvm vlna vnc voldemort weld-cdi-api wmbattery
+wpd2sxw ws-commons-axiom wxPythonGTK wxsvg x11-driver-input-citron
+xaralx xfce4-places-plugin xfishtank xml-commons xmlgraphics-batik
+xmlgraphics-fop xnio xoscope xpat2 xt-dash xymon yamagi-quake2
+youri-submit zcip zhu3d
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+<PRE>2011/11/19 Kamil Rytarowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hello!
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+</I>&gt;<i> I observe that we have hundreds of abandoned packages - once imported - at
+</I>&gt;<i> times with changes committed - finally never successfully pushed to Build
+</I>&gt;<i> Server.
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+</I>&gt;<i> What to do with them? Will be there an adoption day of these packages?
+</I>[...]
+It's not because they're are only on svn there's supposed to be abandoned.
+Some of them could simply wrongly imported (, some of them are not
+working as expected.
+For example here i did import bibus but i failed to have it working
+correctly with libreoffice so instead of pushing stupidly because it's
+building i'm trying (well not recently since i switched to zotero for
+immediate need) to get it integrate correctly with libreoffice.
+So it's far *better* to have them on svn then having them on our repo
+without maintainer.
+We should *first* work on package already available without maintainer.
+
+Regards,
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+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I am concerned about this because already on my 4 years old machine, the
+</I>&gt;<i> oxygen-gtk menu are slightly slower than the basic gtk. So I am pretty sure
+</I>&gt;<i> people with old machines won't be happy to have nice rounded blue slow
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+Yesterday I updated oxygen-gtk to 1.1.5 and the changelog mentions
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+ <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> -Obsoletes: amarok-scripts &lt; 3:2.4.3-2
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> It's far better to keep the versionnate :
+</I>&gt;<i> - you don't know if sometimes someone won't ressurect it .
+</I>&gt;<i> - we'll be able to track the version &amp; eventually remove it when
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia 1 won't be supported anymore for upgrade.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Ok, but which should be the correct version, the one of the last
+amarok-script package (2.4.3) or the one of the current amarok
+(2.4.90)?
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+&gt;<i> PS: Once alien pushed mariadb on core/release maybe you can try to
+</I>&gt;<i> built it against mariadb instead of mysql ? :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sure, I'll look into this too :)
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+&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 1.2.15-1.1.mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 169048
+</I>&gt;<i> - Update tarball to 1.2.15
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- this update fix mga #2272
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+That is?
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+&gt;<i> Hello!
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+</I>&gt;<i> I observe that we have hundreds of abandoned packages - once imported - at
+</I>&gt;<i> times with changes committed - finally never successfully pushed to Build
+</I>&gt;<i> Server.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I have preparded simple list (not sure it's 100% correct)
+</I>
+How did you get this list exactly?
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+celt071 was imported yesterday and submitted to BS right after, it's
+surely available on mirrors. So, I'm pretty sure there's other false
+positives in your list. Maybe we could improve your &quot;script&quot; after you
+unveil it to us.. :)
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+&gt;<i> On 19 November 2011 06:29, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 1.2.15-1.1.mga1:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 169048
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Update tarball to 1.2.15
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- this update fix mga #2272
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That is?
+</I>&gt;<i> Please include a one liner description...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yep it's my fault, it was added on the bug request for updates.
+So this version fix a crash of libreoffice due to a segfault of libhunspell.
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 9:27 PM, John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -Obsoletes: amarok-scripts &lt; 3:2.4.3-2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's far better to keep the versionnate :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - you don't know if sometimes someone won't ressurect it .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - we'll be able to track the version &amp; eventually remove it when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia 1 won't be supported anymore for upgrade.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, but which should be the correct version, the one of the last
+</I>&gt;<i> amarok-script package (2.4.3) or the one of the current amarok
+</I>&gt;<i> (2.4.90)?
+</I>Well it was already versionate in the previous spec, so you can use
+this version.
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 20 novembre 2011 03:32:40, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> What to do with them? Will be there an adoption day of these packages?
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+</I>&gt;<i> I have preparded simple list (not sure it's 100% correct)
+</I>
+At least sugar-* have just been submitted yesterday by me.
+It was good to have them already there, it saved me lots of time.
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+I think the only place where we should not have junk is in the repos.
+In the SVN, there can be packages that do not build for now, but will get some
+love one day.
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+ex: hulahop does not build with current xulrunner, but it did before, and will
+again one day. But for now, other distros (Fedora/Debian) have simply not
+updated it.
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+So it is in svn till I find how to build it, or an upstream update comes.
+Dropping it would be non-sense.
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+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 20 novembre 2011 03:32:40, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What to do with them? Will be there an adoption day of these packages?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have preparded simple list (not sure it's 100% correct)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At least sugar-* have just been submitted yesterday by me.
+</I>&gt;<i> It was good to have them already there, it saved me lots of time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the only place where we should not have junk is in the repos.
+</I>&gt;<i> In the SVN, there can be packages that do not build for now, but will get some
+</I>&gt;<i> love one day.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ex: hulahop does not build with current xulrunner, but it did before, and will
+</I>&gt;<i> again one day. But for now, other distros (Fedora/Debian) have simply not
+</I>&gt;<i> updated it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So it is in svn till I find how to build it, or an upstream update comes.
+</I>&gt;<i> Dropping it would be non-sense.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>You will never seen perl package abandonned for my parts, all I submit
+is all I maintain (maybe some jq's pkg sometimes :)))
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+<PRE>On 20.11.2011 08:19, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/11/20 Kamil Rytarowski&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I observe that we have hundreds of abandoned packages - once imported - at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> times with changes committed - finally never successfully pushed to Build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Server.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have preparded simple list (not sure it's 100% correct)
+</I>&gt;<i> How did you get this list exactly?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> celt071 was imported yesterday and submitted to BS right after, it's
+</I>&gt;<i> surely available on mirrors. So, I'm pretty sure there's other false
+</I>&gt;<i> positives in your list. Maybe we could improve your &quot;script&quot; after you
+</I>&gt;<i> unveil it to us.. :)
+</I>As I have said list is just a preview.
+
+I was trying (successfully) to update a library major version (only
+locally) and try to rebuild all packages that require it. So after
+preparing a simple script I've found packages that require it but are
+laying for months only in svn and untouched.
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+When I ask people about &quot;their&quot; packages, some like avr-binutils are
+wrong and to be deleted.
+
+But right, it's not time to look after these packages, when we can't
+maintain the already &quot;pushed&quot; ones.
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+I can unveil the script if it's useful for someone. I use some basic
+bash tools..
+
+But I think it could be done automatically somewhere online - to prepare
+a monitor page, for developers as a reminder what is in our svn waiting
+for its time? And the list can contain only those packages that wait
+uncommitted for more then 1 month?
+
+I am attaching the list with description who and when has it committed
+the last time <A HREF="http://kamil.mageia.org.pl/list_info.txt">http://kamil.mageia.org.pl/list_info.txt</A>
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+&gt;<i> I am attaching the list with description who and when has it committed
+</I>&gt;<i> the last time <A HREF="http://kamil.mageia.org.pl/list_info.txt">http://kamil.mageia.org.pl/list_info.txt</A>
+</I>And please don't take the list to seriously (it's just a scratch!), I
+just want to know your opinion what to do with these packages. Thanks!
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+<PRE>On Sunday 20 November 2011 14:22, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
+&gt;<i> So after preparing a simple script I've found packages that require it
+</I>&gt;<i> but are laying for months only in svn and untouched.
+</I>
+Now, there's your problem. Do not confuse inactivity on a package with unmaintaned. Some programs, especially scripts (perl based programs for example), just works without the need to change anything.
+This is also true with any program. If it's well written, it doesn't need much maintenance to keep working.
+
+You need to check the package database for a maintainer, and find packages that are listed as unmaintained, and I believe you can't use SVN to do this.
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+Kamil Rytarowski said on Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 03:32:40AM +0100:
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+&gt;<i> perl-Project-Builder
+</I>
+For this one, cauldron has it: perl-ProjectBuilder-0.11.3-1.mga2.src
+(It's also a dep of another package not in your list)
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+Bruno.
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+<PRE>On Sat, 19 Nov 2011, Sandro CAZZANIGA wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le 19/11/2011 18:33, Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sunday, November 06, 2011 09:07:01 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Wednesday, November 02, 2011 05:51:47 pm Funda Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/11/3 D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; so what to do ? we drop it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Yes, please drop php-ffmpeg.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Please drop it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What do I need to do to get it dropped?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Just svn rm &lt;adress_sv_ssh&gt;/cauldron/&lt;pkg&gt;/current I think.
+</I>
+There is a directory to move old packages that are no longer needed, but
+still keep them available in case they are needed later :
+<A HREF="svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsolete/">svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsolete/</A>
+
+So you can move the package there instead of removing it :
+svn mv svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/&lt;pkg">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/&lt;pkg</A>&gt; svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsolete/">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsolete/</A>
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+The media names on Mageia 1 and Cauldron currently look like this, when
+added with urpmi.addmedia --distrib :
+ Core Release
+ Core Release Debug
+ Core Updates
+ Core Updates Debug
+ Core Backports
+ Nonfree Release
+ Core 32bit Release
+ Core 32bit Updates
+ ...
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+I suggest we replace them on Cauldron and later versions with names
+like this :
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+ cauldron/x86_64/debug/core/release
+ cauldron/x86_64/core/updates
+ cauldron/x86_64/debug/core/updates
+ cauldron/x86_64/core/backports
+ cauldron/x86_64/nonfree/release
+ cauldron/i586/core/release
+ cauldron/i586/core/updates
+ ...
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+I think it's better because :
+ - it doesn't have spaces, so doesn't need to be quoted in urpmi command lines
+ - doesn't have capitals, so easier to type right
+ - includes version of Mageia, so you can quickly see which version(s)
+ you're using
+ - match the paths on the mirrors, so I think it's more clear what the
+ media is and easier to remember
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest we replace them on Cauldron and later versions with names
+</I>&gt;<i> like this :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/debug/core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/core/updates
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/debug/core/updates
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/core/backports
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/nonfree/release
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/i586/core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/i586/core/updates
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>
+And for src.rpm medias :
+ cauldron/SRPMS/core/release
+instead of :
+ Core Release Sources
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+&gt;<i> What do you think ?
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+I think it's a good idea.
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 20 novembre 2011 &#224; 19:43 +0100, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The media names on Mageia 1 and Cauldron currently look like this, when
+</I>&gt;<i> added with urpmi.addmedia --distrib :
+</I>&gt;<i> Core Release
+</I>&gt;<i> Core Release Debug
+</I>&gt;<i> Core Updates
+</I>&gt;<i> Core Updates Debug
+</I>&gt;<i> Core Backports
+</I>&gt;<i> Nonfree Release
+</I>&gt;<i> Core 32bit Release
+</I>&gt;<i> Core 32bit Updates
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest we replace them on Cauldron and later versions with names
+</I>&gt;<i> like this :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/debug/core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/core/updates
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/debug/core/updates
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/core/backports
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/nonfree/release
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/i586/core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/i586/core/updates
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it's better because :
+</I>&gt;<i> - it doesn't have spaces, so doesn't need to be quoted in urpmi command lines
+</I>&gt;<i> - doesn't have capitals, so easier to type right
+</I>&gt;<i> - includes version of Mageia, so you can quickly see which version(s)
+</I>&gt;<i> you're using
+</I>&gt;<i> - match the paths on the mirrors, so I think it's more clear what the
+</I>&gt;<i> media is and easier to remember
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Look also at this one: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2021">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2021</A>
+I'am sure we can improve it
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+&gt;<i> I think it's better because :
+</I>&gt;<i> - it doesn't have spaces, so doesn't need to be quoted in urpmi command
+</I>&gt;<i> lines - doesn't have capitals, so easier to type right
+</I>
+Yes, but it looks much less human... at least with underscores it would be
+readable.
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+In fact, the problem is our GUI : edit-urpm-media should be reworked to have
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 20 novembre 2011 19:43:55, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The media names on Mageia 1 and Cauldron currently look like this, when
+</I>&gt;<i> added with urpmi.addmedia --distrib :
+</I>&gt;<i> Core Release
+</I>&gt;<i> Core Release Debug
+</I>&gt;<i> Core Updates
+</I>&gt;<i> Core Updates Debug
+</I>&gt;<i> Core Backports
+</I>&gt;<i> Nonfree Release
+</I>&gt;<i> Core 32bit Release
+</I>&gt;<i> Core 32bit Updates
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest we replace them on Cauldron and later versions with names
+</I>&gt;<i> like this :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/debug/core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/core/updates
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/debug/core/updates
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/core/backports
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/nonfree/release
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/i586/core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/i586/core/updates
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it's better because :
+</I>&gt;<i> - it doesn't have spaces, so doesn't need to be quoted in urpmi command
+</I>&gt;<i> lines - doesn't have capitals, so easier to type right
+</I>&gt;<i> - includes version of Mageia, so you can quickly see which version(s)
+</I>&gt;<i> you're using
+</I>&gt;<i> - match the paths on the mirrors, so I think it's more clear what the
+</I>&gt;<i> media is and easier to remember
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think ?
+</I>
+I'm not sure about it. I see the benefits, but to me there is a major drawback:
+they are not user-friendly :
+- current names are readable, new ones aren't, they're just technical
+- current naming scheme doesn't bother you with arch information, except on 64
+bits system and only for 32 bits media
+- the order of items in current scheme is better : first you see whether it's
+Core, Nonfree or Tainted, then if it's Release/Updates/Backports/Updates
+Testing/Backports Testing, and then debug media have some more information.
+Release and arch are important but many media share the same release and arch
+on a given system, so the information should be more discreet.
+
+This proposal looks good for CLI but not for GUI. I share the objectives, but
+am not entirely convinced by the current proposal, unless it comes with
+improvements on the UI side.
+
+Some ideas :
+- change the naming scheme but translate it into human readable names in UI
+- Implement item 40 for mageia 2 specs : &quot;really use media tags in the package
+managers, CLI and GUI: testing, backport, update, etc. Currently, apart from a
+hack for media which name contain &#8220;backport&#8221;, the nature of the media is not
+used in urpmi and rpmdrake whereas it could be used to improve usability a
+lot. Instead of talking about core-updates, core-updates_testing, etc., talk
+about the root media (&#8220;core&#8221;, &#8220;non-free&#8221;, &#8220;tainted&#8221;) and let users choose
+whether they want to use updates, backports, updates_testing,
+backports_testing flavors of this root media.&quot; I haven't had the time to write
+a complete spec for that, but if needed I could try to put it higher on my
+TODO list.
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> Some ideas :
+</I>&gt;<i> - change the naming scheme but translate it into human readable names in UI
+</I>&gt;<i> - Implement item 40 for mageia 2 specs : &quot;really use media tags in the
+</I>&gt;<i> package managers, CLI and GUI: testing, backport, update, etc. Currently,
+</I>&gt;<i> apart from a hack for media which name contain &#8220;backport&#8221;, the nature of
+</I>&gt;<i> the media is not used in urpmi and rpmdrake whereas it could be used to
+</I>&gt;<i> improve usability a lot. Instead of talking about core-updates,
+</I>&gt;<i> core-updates_testing, etc., talk about the root media (&#8220;core&#8221;, &#8220;non-free&#8221;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &#8220;tainted&#8221;) and let users choose whether they want to use updates,
+</I>&gt;<i> backports, updates_testing,
+</I>&gt;<i> backports_testing flavors of this root media.&quot; I haven't had the time to
+</I>&gt;<i> write a complete spec for that, but if needed I could try to put it higher
+</I>&gt;<i> on my TODO list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+i agree.
+
+Also, one problem i see is that naming them like the paths, will give strange
+errors if you have more than one repos like that.
+
+One idea could be: have --*media tags also match the local paths:
+- cauldron/x86_64/core/release
+- ...
+
+also tab completion doesn't work well with all the spaces, definately not if
+you want to specify more repos...
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+<PRE>On Sun, 20 Nov 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure about it. I see the benefits, but to me there is a major drawback:
+</I>&gt;<i> they are not user-friendly :
+</I>&gt;<i> - current names are readable, new ones aren't, they're just technical
+</I>
+Adding capitals and replacing / with spaces does not make the name more
+user-friendly. If we want to be friendly with users, we should not
+confuse them by calling the same thing with different names all the time.
+The naming scheme for medias that is used almost everywhere including
+on mirrors is i586/core/release, not Core 32bit Release.
+
+&gt;<i> - current naming scheme doesn't bother you with arch information, except on 64
+</I>&gt;<i> bits system and only for 32 bits media
+</I>
+That's the problem. Sometimes the arch is included, sometimes it is not.
+And sometimes two names can refer to different things (Core Release is
+not the same thing on x86_64 and i586 installs), or two different names
+can refer to the same thing (Core Release on i586 is the same as Core
+32bit Release on x86_64 installs).
+
+And 32bit is not more user-friendly than i586. Sources is not more
+user-friendly than SRPMS. We should call the same thing with the same
+name all the time.
+
+&gt;<i> - the order of items in current scheme is better : first you see whether it's
+</I>&gt;<i> Core, Nonfree or Tainted, then if it's Release/Updates/Backports/Updates
+</I>&gt;<i> Testing/Backports Testing, and then debug media have some more information.
+</I>
+The order of items in current scheme is totally random :
+ Core Release
+ Core 32bit Release
+ Core Release Sources
+ Core Release Debug
+
+Sometimes the arch is not included, sometimes the arch is included as
+2nd word (32bit), sometimes the arch is the last word (Sources). Debug
+is last, while on mirrors it is not.
+
+If we want to be user-friendly, we should use the same names all the
+time, so use the same order all the time.
+
+&gt;<i> Release and arch are important but many media share the same release and arch
+</I>&gt;<i> on a given system, so the information should be more discreet.
+</I>
+Release and arch in the name is needed to avoid having different medias
+with the same name.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This proposal looks good for CLI but not for GUI. I share the objectives, but
+</I>&gt;<i> am not entirely convinced by the current proposal, unless it comes with
+</I>&gt;<i> improvements on the UI side.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some ideas :
+</I>&gt;<i> - change the naming scheme but translate it into human readable names in UI
+</I>
+I think we should not confuse people by displaying a different name for
+the same thing. We can add a description text explaining what the media
+is, but this should not be the name.
+
+&gt;<i> - Implement item 40 for mageia 2 specs : &quot;really use media tags in the package
+</I>&gt;<i> managers, CLI and GUI: testing, backport, update, etc. Currently, apart from a
+</I>
+Using media tags does not replace using consistent media names.
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 20 Nov 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm not sure about it. I see the benefits, but to me there is a major
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; drawback: they are not user-friendly :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - current names are readable, new ones aren't, they're just technical
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Adding capitals and replacing / with spaces does not make the name more
+</I>&gt;<i> user-friendly. If we want to be friendly with users, we should not
+</I>&gt;<i> confuse them by calling the same thing with different names all the time.
+</I>&gt;<i> The naming scheme for medias that is used almost everywhere including
+</I>&gt;<i> on mirrors is i586/core/release, not Core 32bit Release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - current naming scheme doesn't bother you with arch information, except
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on 64 bits system and only for 32 bits media
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's the problem. Sometimes the arch is included, sometimes it is not.
+</I>&gt;<i> And sometimes two names can refer to different things (Core Release is
+</I>&gt;<i> not the same thing on x86_64 and i586 installs), or two different names
+</I>&gt;<i> can refer to the same thing (Core Release on i586 is the same as Core
+</I>&gt;<i> 32bit Release on x86_64 installs).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And 32bit is not more user-friendly than i586. Sources is not more
+</I>&gt;<i> user-friendly than SRPMS. We should call the same thing with the same
+</I>&gt;<i> name all the time.
+</I>[...]
+
+I disagree with you here, I'm all for consistent media names that are easy to
+complete, but &quot;Core Release Source&quot; is more userfriendly than
+&quot;SRPMS/core/release&quot; . i'm pretty sure my dad would get even more lost than he
+is right now.
+
+imho &quot;Cauldron Core Release (source)&quot; is more userfriendly than
+&quot;cauldron/SRPM/core/release&quot;. at least to people who don't even know what a
+path is.
+
+it's acceptable for me to:
+ - no caps
+ - better ordering
+ - consistent arch adding
+
+but using pathnames, albeit the best consistency, is not good.
+
+imho we should be able in cli to use a unique identifier, but it doesn't have
+to be the name as seen.
+
+if we can use urpm* commands with the path name as identifier, that's ok for me
+too.
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+&gt;<i> Op zondag 20 november 2011 22:36:06 schreef nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, 20 Nov 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I'm not sure about it. I see the benefits, but to me there is a major
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; drawback: they are not user-friendly :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - current names are readable, new ones aren't, they're just technical
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Adding capitals and replacing / with spaces does not make the name more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; user-friendly. If we want to be friendly with users, we should not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; confuse them by calling the same thing with different names all the time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The naming scheme for medias that is used almost everywhere including
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on mirrors is i586/core/release, not Core 32bit Release.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - current naming scheme doesn't bother you with arch information, except
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; on 64 bits system and only for 32 bits media
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's the problem. Sometimes the arch is included, sometimes it is not.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And sometimes two names can refer to different things (Core Release is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not the same thing on x86_64 and i586 installs), or two different names
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can refer to the same thing (Core Release on i586 is the same as Core
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 32bit Release on x86_64 installs).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And 32bit is not more user-friendly than i586. Sources is not more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; user-friendly than SRPMS. We should call the same thing with the same
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; name all the time.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I disagree with you here, I'm all for consistent media names that are easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> complete, but &quot;Core Release Source&quot; is more userfriendly than
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;SRPMS/core/release&quot; . i'm pretty sure my dad would get even more lost than he
+</I>&gt;<i> is right now.
+</I>
+For someone who doesn't know anything about our media policy, both names
+are equaly meaningless. If we want them to understand something, what is
+needed is a description text of the medias.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> imho &quot;Cauldron Core Release (source)&quot; is more userfriendly than
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;cauldron/SRPM/core/release&quot;. at least to people who don't even know what a
+</I>&gt;<i> path is.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it's acceptable for me to:
+</I>&gt;<i> - no caps
+</I>&gt;<i> - better ordering
+</I>&gt;<i> - consistent arch adding
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but using pathnames, albeit the best consistency, is not good.
+</I>
+Why ?
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> imho we should be able in cli to use a unique identifier, but it doesn't have
+</I>&gt;<i> to be the name as seen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if we can use urpm* commands with the path name as identifier, that's ok for me
+</I>&gt;<i> too.
+</I>
+Having multiple unique identifiers for each media is not what I would
+call user-friendly. We already have the name as unique identifier, there
+is no need to add an other one.
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 20 Nov 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>[..]
+&gt;<i> &gt; I disagree with you here, I'm all for consistent media names that are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; easy to complete, but &quot;Core Release Source&quot; is more userfriendly than
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;SRPMS/core/release&quot; . i'm pretty sure my dad would get even more lost
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; than he is right now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For someone who doesn't know anything about our media policy, both names
+</I>&gt;<i> are equaly meaningless. If we want them to understand something, what is
+</I>&gt;<i> needed is a description text of the medias.
+</I>
+no need to assume &amp; judge me, i know pretty well that the name i supplied is
+not a name we have.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; imho &quot;Cauldron Core Release (source)&quot; is more userfriendly than
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;cauldron/SRPM/core/release&quot;. at least to people who don't even know what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a path is.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it's acceptable for me to:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - no caps
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - better ordering
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - consistent arch adding
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but using pathnames, albeit the best consistency, is not good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why ?
+</I>
+it's imho and because of the reason and example above.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; imho we should be able in cli to use a unique identifier, but it doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; have to be the name as seen.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if we can use urpm* commands with the path name as identifier, that's ok
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for me too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Having multiple unique identifiers for each media is not what I would
+</I>&gt;<i> call user-friendly. We already have the name as unique identifier, there
+</I>&gt;<i> is no need to add an other one.
+</I>
+noone said anything about &quot;multitple unique identifiers&quot;. be that as it may,
+from a user pov: if we have name + unique_id and GUI shows name, or we have
+name + description and GUI shows description is more or less the same if 1st
+name is similar to 2nd description.
+
+in short, if rpmdrake shows a short description instead of where name is now
+and name is mentioned of lesser importance, i'm ok with this.
+
+that would indeed make urpmi commands use path and rpmdrake still show
+(descriptive name/description)
+
+if that's what you mean, maybe you should've been more clear on this. then i'm
+sure even Stormi agrees...
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+&gt;<i> Op zondag 20 november 2011 23:48:26 schreef nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, 20 Nov 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [..]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I disagree with you here, I'm all for consistent media names that are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; easy to complete, but &quot;Core Release Source&quot; is more userfriendly than
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &quot;SRPMS/core/release&quot; . i'm pretty sure my dad would get even more lost
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; than he is right now.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For someone who doesn't know anything about our media policy, both names
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; are equaly meaningless. If we want them to understand something, what is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; needed is a description text of the medias.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> no need to assume &amp; judge me, i know pretty well that the name i supplied is
+</I>&gt;<i> not a name we have.
+</I>
+I'm not judging anyone. Just saying that &quot;Core Release Source&quot; is as
+meaningless as &quot;SRPMS/core/release&quot; for someone who doesn't know media
+policy.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; imho &quot;Cauldron Core Release (source)&quot; is more userfriendly than
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &quot;cauldron/SRPM/core/release&quot;. at least to people who don't even know what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; a path is.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; it's acceptable for me to:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - no caps
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - better ordering
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - consistent arch adding
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; but using pathnames, albeit the best consistency, is not good.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Why ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it's imho and because of the reason and example above.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; imho we should be able in cli to use a unique identifier, but it doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; have to be the name as seen.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; if we can use urpm* commands with the path name as identifier, that's ok
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; for me too.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Having multiple unique identifiers for each media is not what I would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; call user-friendly. We already have the name as unique identifier, there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is no need to add an other one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> noone said anything about &quot;multitple unique identifiers&quot;. be that as it may,
+</I>&gt;<i> from a user pov: if we have name + unique_id and GUI shows name, or we have
+</I>&gt;<i> name + description and GUI shows description is more or less the same if 1st
+</I>&gt;<i> name is similar to 2nd description.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in short, if rpmdrake shows a short description instead of where name is now
+</I>&gt;<i> and name is mentioned of lesser importance, i'm ok with this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> that would indeed make urpmi commands use path and rpmdrake still show
+</I>&gt;<i> (descriptive name/description)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if that's what you mean, maybe you should've been more clear on this. then i'm
+</I>&gt;<i> sure even Stormi agrees...
+</I>
+I don't understand what you're talking about ...
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+</I>&gt;<i> I am new to Mageia. I want to contribute here. I am C++ developer by
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+</I>&gt;<i> I can maintain few packages, create/maintain some KDE applications. Can
+</I>&gt;<i> some one guide me to right way?
+</I>
+Welcome Raghu!
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+If you want to help packaging, we have an apprenticeship program that
+might interest you.
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+<PRE>Op maandag 21 november 2011 01:00:35 schreef nicolas vigier:
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+&gt;<i> I'm not judging anyone. Just saying that &quot;Core Release Source&quot; is as
+</I>&gt;<i> meaningless as &quot;SRPMS/core/release&quot; for someone who doesn't know media
+</I>&gt;<i> policy.
+</I>
+oh, sorry, i seem to have misinterpreted it.
+
+well, that _is_ true. allthough i would argue that if people know media policy
+(because they can find that on the wiki), it would be different, _IF_ they are
+noobish enough not to really understand paths...
+
+(difference between acquiring information or acquiring a 'skill')
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; noone said anything about &quot;multitple unique identifiers&quot;. be that as it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; may, from a user pov: if we have name + unique_id and GUI shows name, or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we have name + description and GUI shows description is more or less the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; same if 1st name is similar to 2nd description.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in short, if rpmdrake shows a short description instead of where name is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; now and name is mentioned of lesser importance, i'm ok with this.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that would indeed make urpmi commands use path and rpmdrake still show
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (descriptive name/description)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if that's what you mean, maybe you should've been more clear on this.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; then i'm sure even Stormi agrees...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't understand what you're talking about ...
+</I>
+ok, so much for clarity -_-' .
+
+in short: let rpmdrake show this short description (which looks more or less
+like the current name, but clearer) where the current name is now and i'm ok
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+&gt;<i> On 20 November 2011 21:43, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> &gt; zezinho &lt;zezinho&gt; 3.10.22-7.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 170079
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - use fedora and debian patches to fix build
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - imported package arj
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are there still usages for that 30 years after :-) ?
+</I>
+I've got a HD floppy (yes, HD: 1.44MB, letters meaning change over time) with
+some old DOS things packed with it. So yes, I have the usage ;-)
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+And it is more 20 than 30 years...
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+<PRE>On 21 November 2011 09:18, zezinho &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; zezinho &lt;zezinho&gt; 3.10.22-7.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 170079
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - use fedora and debian patches to fix build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; - imported package arj
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Are there still usages for that 30 years after :-) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've got a HD floppy (yes, HD: &#160;1.44MB, letters meaning change over time) with
+</I>&gt;<i> some old DOS things packed with it. So yes, I have the usage ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And it is more 20 than 30 years...
+</I>
+Guess it depends on people's usages...
+Last times I'd used it was around 1992-3...
+Argh you're right, that means 20 years :-(
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+&gt;<i> in short: let rpmdrake show this short description (which looks more or less
+</I>&gt;<i> like the current name, but clearer) where the current name is now and i'm ok
+</I>&gt;<i> with this proposal.
+</I>Better formulation: let's use different strings for different purposes,
+instead of a single generic media 'name' with unclear semantic:
+- an identifier for computer, without any metacharacter, to be used in
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+&gt;<i> Le 21/11/2011 01:51, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in short: let rpmdrake show this short description (which looks more or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; less like the current name, but clearer) where the current name is now
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and i'm ok with this proposal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Better formulation: let's use different strings for different purposes,
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of a single generic media 'name' with unclear semantic:
+</I>&gt;<i> - an identifier for computer, without any metacharacter, to be used in
+</I>&gt;<i> command line
+</I>&gt;<i> - a description for humans, to be displayed in GUIs, without any kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> character restriction
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+That's it :)
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 21 novembre 2011 09:57:20, Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 21/11/2011 01:51, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; in short: let rpmdrake show this short description (which looks more or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; less like the current name, but clearer) where the current name is now
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; and i'm ok with this proposal.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Better formulation: let's use different strings for different purposes,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; instead of a single generic media 'name' with unclear semantic:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - an identifier for computer, without any metacharacter, to be used in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; command line
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - a description for humans, to be displayed in GUIs, without any kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; character restriction
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's it :)
+</I>
+Ok, so everybody agree with changing the names with the proposal I made,
+and adding an optional description line in media.cfg on the mirrors and
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+description column in drakrpm-edit-media near the name ?
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+</I>&gt;<i> and adding an optional description line in media.cfg on the mirrors and
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg for each media, to be displayed by rpmdrake in a
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+<PRE>Le lundi 21 novembre 2011 &#224; 10:32 +0100, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 21 novembre 2011 09:57:20, Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le 21/11/2011 01:51, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; in short: let rpmdrake show this short description (which looks more or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; less like the current name, but clearer) where the current name is now
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; and i'm ok with this proposal.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Better formulation: let's use different strings for different purposes,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; instead of a single generic media 'name' with unclear semantic:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - an identifier for computer, without any metacharacter, to be used in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; command line
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - a description for humans, to be displayed in GUIs, without any kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; character restriction
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's it :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, so everybody agree with changing the names with the proposal I made,
+</I>&gt;<i> and adding an optional description line in media.cfg on the mirrors and
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg for each media, to be displayed by rpmdrake in a
+</I>&gt;<i> description column in drakrpm-edit-media near the name ?
+</I>
+Yeah, let's stop abusing identifier as a user friendly description.
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+&gt;<i> Ok, so everybody agree with changing the names with the proposal I made,
+</I>&gt;<i> and adding an optional description line in media.cfg on the mirrors and
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg for each media, to be displayed by rpmdrake in a
+</I>&gt;<i> description column in drakrpm-edit-media near the name ?
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+&gt;<i> boot.log:Mounting local filesystems: WARNING: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated, please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> boot.log:WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> boot.log:WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/lockd.drakx, it will be ignored in a future release.
+</I>&gt;<i> boot.log:WARNING: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated, please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> boot.log:WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> boot.log:WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/lockd.drakx, it will be ignored in a future release.
+</I>&gt;<i> boot.log.1:modprobe: WARNING: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated, please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> boot.log.1:modprobe: WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
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+I could not find a bug report in bugzilla - should I make one??
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+R.Fox
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+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, so everybody agree with changing the names with the proposal I made,
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+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg for each media, to be displayed by rpmdrake in a
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+&gt;<i> Using latest Cauldron - I get a boot error on three different machines:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; boot.log:Mounting local filesystems: WARNING: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated, please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; boot.log:WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; boot.log:WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/lockd.drakx, it will be ignored in a future release.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; boot.log:WARNING: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated, please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; boot.log:WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; boot.log:WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/lockd.drakx, it will be ignored in a future release.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; boot.log.1:modprobe: WARNING: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated, please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; boot.log.1:modprobe: WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I could not find a bug report in bugzilla - should I make one??
+</I>Really ? <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=%2Fetc%">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=%2Fetc%</A>
+2Fmodprobe.conf :)
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+and this one in the list <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2784">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2784</A>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thx,
+</I>&gt;<i> R.Fox
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Using latest Cauldron - I get a boot error on three different machines:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> boot.log:WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> boot.log:WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/lockd.drakx, it will be ignored in a future release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> boot.log:WARNING: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated, please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> boot.log:WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> boot.log:WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/lockd.drakx, it will be ignored in a future release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> boot.log.1:modprobe: WARNING: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated, please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> boot.log.1:modprobe: WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I could not find a bug report in bugzilla - should I make one??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thx,
+</I>&gt;<i> R.Fox
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>These are no &quot;Fails&quot; these are warnings, and not only for bootup,
+but also during urpmi usage, f.ex. when installing a new kernel ...
+Has already been reported: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2784">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2784</A>
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+&gt;<i> I suggest we replace them on Cauldron and later versions with names
+</I>&gt;<i> like this :
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+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/debug/core/release
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+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/debug/core/updates
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/core/backports
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/nonfree/release
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/i586/core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/i586/core/updates
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>
+I assume that they are only templates and not the real unique
+identifiers. If not, how do you plan to manage multiple servers for a
+same media?
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+Usually, I have two sets of medias; one on a fast mirror (used most of
+the time), and another on a tier-1 mirror (distrib-coffee) that I enable
+on-demand when I want to get quickly a package that was just built.
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+&gt;<i> I assume that they are only templates and not the real unique
+</I>&gt;<i> identifiers. If not, how do you plan to manage multiple servers for a
+</I>&gt;<i> same media?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Usually, I have two sets of medias; one on a fast mirror (used most of
+</I>&gt;<i> the time), and another on a tier-1 mirror (distrib-coffee) that I enable
+</I>&gt;<i> on-demand when I want to get quickly a package that was just built.
+</I>hint: 'default media names', aka the one you instantly remove after
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+&gt;<i> hint: 'default media names', aka the one you instantly remove after
+</I>&gt;<i> installation and immediatly replaces with your own ones.
+</I>
+Some of us are installing using netinstallationa, which have no need to remove the default medias. The names on the mirrors have the same problem, which is spaces in the names.
+Besides, the original post was talking about just what you point out, which is adding his own after installation. And most users are adding one of the official mirrors, and not their own local mirror.
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+&gt;<i> Le 20/11/2011 19:43, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I suggest we replace them on Cauldron and later versions with names
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> like this :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/core/release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/debug/core/release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/core/updates
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/debug/core/updates
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/core/backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron/x86_64/nonfree/release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron/i586/core/release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron/i586/core/updates
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I assume that they are only templates and not the real unique identifiers.
+</I>&gt;<i> If not, how do you plan to manage multiple servers for a same media?
+</I>
+This is the default names that will be used when using urpmi.addmedia
+--distrib. If the name is already used, urpmi.addmedia currently prepend
+a number to the name.
+
+It is also possible to specify a name when using urpmi.addmedia
+--distrib. In that case, a string like this is prepended : &quot; (nameN)&quot;
+with N a number incremented for each media. Maybe this could be changed
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, Luc Menut wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 20/11/2011 19:43, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I suggest we replace them on Cauldron and later versions with names
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; like this :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; cauldron/x86_64/core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; cauldron/x86_64/debug/core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; cauldron/x86_64/core/updates
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; cauldron/x86_64/debug/core/updates
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; cauldron/x86_64/core/backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; cauldron/x86_64/nonfree/release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; cauldron/i586/core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; cauldron/i586/core/updates
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I assume that they are only templates and not the real unique identifiers.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If not, how do you plan to manage multiple servers for a same media?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is the default names that will be used when using urpmi.addmedia
+</I>&gt;<i> --distrib. If the name is already used, urpmi.addmedia currently prepend
+</I>&gt;<i> a number to the name.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is also possible to specify a name when using urpmi.addmedia
+</I>&gt;<i> --distrib. In that case, a string like this is prepended : &quot; (nameN)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> with N a number incremented for each media. Maybe this could be changed
+</I>&gt;<i> to prefix with &quot;name-&quot; instead.
+</I>
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+On 11/11/21 15:12 +0100, Sandro CAZZANIGA wrote:
+&gt;<i> If someone have the time in the afternoon, we have a little bug in
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/binxspp (which is a part of perl-ExtUtils-XSpp):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> */usr/bin/xspp : /usr/bin/perl5.14.1 : mauvais interpr&#233;teur: Aucun fichier
+</I>&gt;<i> ou dossier de ce type*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you can see, it's just a bad interpreter error. I think that we can
+</I>&gt;<i> replace it by *#!/usr/bin/perl* (I can do it myself, but I am at the
+</I>&gt;<i> University today, so only http protocol can go in/out ...).
+</I>
+no, that's not the correct fix. the correct fix is to just rebuild the
+package: the installed script will then use the path to the interpreter
+that was present on the bs, which is the latest one.
+
+i just re-submitted it.
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 11/11/21 15:12 +0100, Sandro CAZZANIGA wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If someone have the time in the afternoon, we have a little bug in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/binxspp (which is a part of perl-ExtUtils-XSpp):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> */usr/bin/xspp : /usr/bin/perl5.14.1 : mauvais interpr&#233;teur: Aucun fichier
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ou dossier de ce type*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you can see, it's just a bad interpreter error. I think that we can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> replace it by *#!/usr/bin/perl* (I can do it myself, but I am at the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> University today, so only http protocol can go in/out ...).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> no, that's not the correct fix. the correct fix is to just rebuild the
+</I>&gt;<i> package: the installed script will then use the path to the interpreter
+</I>&gt;<i> that was present on the bs, which is the latest one.
+</I>I wouldn't call this a better fix. Hardcoding a specific interpreter
+path is a bit pointless, and force us to rebuild the package foreach new
+perl minor release.
+
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+Un ch&#244;meur en fin de droit pendu dans le Maine-et-Loire,
+C'est un trader &#224; New York qui reprend espoir.
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+&gt;<i> &gt;no, that's not the correct fix. the correct fix is to just rebuild the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;package: the installed script will then use the path to the interpreter
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;that was present on the bs, which is the latest one.
+</I>&gt;<i> I wouldn't call this a better fix. Hardcoding a specific interpreter
+</I>&gt;<i> path is a bit pointless, and force us to rebuild the package foreach
+</I>&gt;<i> new perl minor release.
+</I>
+then open a bug report against perl toolchain. :-) makefile.pl /
+build.pl are transforming script shebangs to match the path to the perl
+interpreter used during dist compilation &amp; install.
+
+in the meantime, what i said is the correct way to fix things.
+
+note that i don't understand why some scripts get installed with
+/usr/bin/perl5.14.x shebang, while some other are installed with
+/usr/bin/perl... maybe if we force -Dinstallusrbinperl in perl spec
+file? i need to try that...
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+regards,
+j&#233;r&#244;me
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+I was reading cooker ML a few days ago (yes I know, it's a strange idea)
+when I've read that Mandriva has stopped using (and thereof developing
+it). They have switched to NetworkManager (you all know this tool).
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+What will Mageia team do ? Continue to maintain and enhance drakx-net or
+follow all others distributions with NetworkManager ?
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+Just a precision, I use Networkmanager with mageia1 on my laptop (due to
+the VPN we use at work)
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+Regards
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+Mageia User - Mageia french translation team
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+&gt;<i> 2011/11/21&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 170580 Author kamil Date 2011-11-21 19:23:20 +0100 (Mon, 21 Nov
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011)
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> imported package deskbar-applet
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+</I>&gt;<i> May I ask why? IIUC it's dead upstream, there isn't even a git repo
+</I>&gt;<i> anymore in Gnome's GIT..
+</I>Yes you are right, I was suggested by the already existing resources
+on-line, even link to the git repo (but I hadn't try to access it). I've
+checked now their mailing list and the author has declared to stop
+development of it (due to the newer Gnome desktop environment).
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+</I>&gt;<i> What will Mageia team do ? Continue to maintain and enhance drakx-net
+</I>&gt;<i> or follow all others distributions with NetworkManager ?
+</I>
+There are a number of serious problems with NM that have not, to my
+knowledge, been dealt with. It's particularly bad with wireless (which
+is what Mageia tends to use it for the most); see bugs 856, 2160, 2416.
+Or just google for NM problems (there's a ton of people having trouble
+with it).
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+One of the annoying things about it is that you can say &quot;no&quot; to it in
+the ifcfg file, but it will try to handle the interface anyway. And if
+you look in bug 2160, it appears that we have no maintainer for it.
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+&gt;<i> On 11/21/2011 02:14 PM, Marianne Lombard wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What will Mageia team do ? Continue to maintain and enhance drakx-net or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> follow all others distributions with NetworkManager ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are a number of serious problems with NM that have not, to my
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge, been dealt with. &#160;It's particularly bad with wireless (which is
+</I>&gt;<i> what Mageia tends to use it for the most); see bugs 856, 2160, 2416. &#160;Or
+</I>&gt;<i> just google for NM problems (there's a ton of people having trouble with
+</I>&gt;<i> it).
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+</I>&gt;<i> One of the annoying things about it is that you can say &quot;no&quot; to it in the
+</I>&gt;<i> ifcfg file, but it will try to handle the interface anyway. &#160;And if you look
+</I>&gt;<i> in bug 2160, it appears that we have no maintainer for it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It has serious problems with wireless - then I guess that that means
+that drakx-net is still in the mental asylum.
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+Its handling of all things wireless for me has been infinitely more
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+<PRE>Le lundi 21 novembre 2011 &#224; 15:02 -0500, Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 11/21/2011 02:14 PM, Marianne Lombard wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What will Mageia team do ? Continue to maintain and enhance drakx-net
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or follow all others distributions with NetworkManager ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are a number of serious problems with NM that have not, to my
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge, been dealt with. It's particularly bad with wireless (which
+</I>&gt;<i> is what Mageia tends to use it for the most); see bugs 856, 2160, 2416.
+</I>&gt;<i> Or just google for NM problems (there's a ton of people having trouble
+</I>&gt;<i> with it).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>But we have also a lot a bugs against drakx-net (I guess the maintainer
+is busy like all us)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&amp;field0-0-0=cf_rpmpkg&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED&amp;type0-0-0=substring&amp;value0-0-0=drakx-net">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&amp;field0-0-0=cf_rpmpkg&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED&amp;type0-0-0=substring&amp;value0-0-0=drakx-net</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 11/21/2011 02:14 PM, Marianne Lombard wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What will Mageia team do ? Continue to maintain and enhance drakx-net or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> follow all others distributions with NetworkManager ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are a number of serious problems with NM that have not, to my
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge, been dealt with. &#160;It's particularly bad with wireless (which is
+</I>&gt;<i> what Mageia tends to use it for the most); see bugs 856, 2160, 2416.
+</I>Bug 856 is grub related so i guess we can forget this one ;o)
+Bug 2416 was submitted when nm 0.9 (well beta) was not patched to
+support our sysvinit script, we'll still waiting for an answer of the
+initial report.
+So 2160 is the only bug remaining here but i think it's probably the
+same bug aka it was reported when nm was not supporting sysvinit
+
+&gt;<i>&#160;Or
+</I>&gt;<i> just google for NM problems (there's a ton of people having trouble with
+</I>&gt;<i> it).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One of the annoying things about it is that you can say &quot;no&quot; to it in the
+</I>&gt;<i> ifcfg file, but it will try to handle the interface anyway.
+</I>It's happening with the *current* networkmanager of with the beta when
+the patch was not applied because blino did fix the patch &amp; now nm
+respect the ifcfg- command line.
+&gt;<i> &#160;And if you look
+</I>&gt;<i> in bug 2160, it appears that we have no maintainer for it.
+</I>Well there's a lot of packages without maintainer ...
+
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+&gt;<i> 2011/11/21 Frank Griffin&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 11/21/2011 02:14 PM, Marianne Lombard wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What will Mageia team do ? Continue to maintain and enhance drakx-net or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> follow all others distributions with NetworkManager ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are a number of serious problems with NM that have not, to my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> knowledge, been dealt with. It's particularly bad with wireless (which is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what Mageia tends to use it for the most); see bugs 856, 2160, 2416.
+</I>&gt;<i> Bug 856 is grub related so i guess we can forget this one ;o)
+</I>&gt;<i> Bug 2416 was submitted when nm 0.9 (well beta) was not patched to
+</I>&gt;<i> support our sysvinit script, we'll still waiting for an answer of the
+</I>&gt;<i> initial report.
+</I>&gt;<i> So 2160 is the only bug remaining here but i think it's probably the
+</I>&gt;<i> same bug aka it was reported when nm was not supporting sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just google for NM problems (there's a ton of people having trouble with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One of the annoying things about it is that you can say &quot;no&quot; to it in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ifcfg file, but it will try to handle the interface anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's happening with the *current* networkmanager of with the beta when
+</I>&gt;<i> the patch was not applied because blino did fix the patch&amp; now nm
+</I>&gt;<i> respect the ifcfg- command line.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And if you look
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in bug 2160, it appears that we have no maintainer for it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well there's a lot of packages without maintainer ...
+</I>
+If NM is adopted could we also package a tainted pppd capable of
+connecting to PPTP VPN's please.
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+Thankyou
+Claire
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+&gt;<i> On 11/21/2011 02:14 PM, Marianne Lombard wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What will Mageia team do ? Continue to maintain and enhance drakx-net
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or follow all others distributions with NetworkManager ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are a number of serious problems with NM that have not, to my
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge, been dealt with. It's particularly bad with wireless
+</I>&gt;<i> (which is what Mageia tends to use it for the most); see bugs 856,
+</I>&gt;<i> 2160, 2416. Or just google for NM problems (there's a ton of people
+</I>&gt;<i> having trouble with it).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One of the annoying things about it is that you can say &quot;no&quot; to it in
+</I>&gt;<i> the ifcfg file, but it will try to handle the interface anyway. And
+</I>&gt;<i> if you look in bug 2160, it appears that we have no maintainer for it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I see this completely differently - I changed to NetworkManager, as I
+had massive problems with wireless connections (or actually no
+connections) with drax-net - NetworkManager works fine for me over here
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was reading cooker ML a few days ago (yes I know, it's a strange idea)
+</I>&gt;<i> when I've read that Mandriva has stopped using (and thereof developing it).
+</I>&gt;<i> They have switched to NetworkManager (you all know this tool).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What will Mageia team do ? Continue to maintain and enhance drakx-net or
+</I>&gt;<i> follow all others distributions with NetworkManager ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a precision, I use Networkmanager with mageia1 on my laptop (due to the
+</I>&gt;<i> VPN we use at work)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>
+This is too late for mageia 2 and i think we have enough work to do
+because of stuffs like systemd.
+IF we do this i think this should be for magea 3-4 as this will
+require tweaks in the installer at least.
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+I am in favor or starting discussing this for mageia 3 &quot;minimum&quot;.
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+<PRE>In data luned&#236; 21 novembre 2011 20:14:15, Marianne Lombard ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was reading cooker ML a few days ago (yes I know, it's a strange idea)
+</I>&gt;<i> when I've read that Mandriva has stopped using (and thereof developing
+</I>&gt;<i> it). They have switched to NetworkManager (you all know this tool).
+</I>Funny one of the things made me remove mdv 2011 was NM, i set it up
+after the upgrade to manage my 3g usb card, and it worked, but from that point
+on i could not use my ethernet card any more it was always disconnected...
+but was what nm thought...
+
+
+&gt;<i> What will Mageia team do ? Continue to maintain and enhance drakx-net or
+</I>&gt;<i> follow all others distributions with NetworkManager ?
+</I>Well i believe there are only two distros in which it works really -that i
+tested of course- Fedora and Ubuntu.
+I believe we should go on of course, but before leaving drakconnect
+we should be very sure nm works for the most
+-maybe studying fedora more than mandriva here-
+
+My 2 &#8364; cents,
+
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+<PRE>On 11/21/2011 03:12 PM, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> But we have also a lot a bugs against drakx-net (I guess the maintainer
+</I>&gt;<i> is busy like all us)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&amp;field0-0-0=cf_rpmpkg&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED&amp;type0-0-0=substring&amp;value0-0-0=drakx-net">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&amp;field0-0-0=cf_rpmpkg&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED&amp;type0-0-0=substring&amp;value0-0-0=drakx-net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>If you look through that list, not one of them involves the inability to
+activate a wireless interface that we think Linux supports.
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+&gt;<i> 2011/11/21 Frank Griffin&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 11/21/2011 02:14 PM, Marianne Lombard wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What will Mageia team do ? Continue to maintain and enhance drakx-net or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> follow all others distributions with NetworkManager ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are a number of serious problems with NM that have not, to my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> knowledge, been dealt with. It's particularly bad with wireless (which is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what Mageia tends to use it for the most); see bugs 856, 2160, 2416.
+</I>&gt;<i> Bug 856 is grub related so i guess we can forget this one ;o)
+</I>
+Sorry, I transposed - should have been 865.
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+&gt;<i> Bug 2416 was submitted when nm 0.9 (well beta) was not patched to
+</I>&gt;<i> support our sysvinit script, we'll still waiting for an answer of the
+</I>&gt;<i> initial report.
+</I>
+If you look at comment #6 in this bug, you'll see that this is another
+case of the same bug reported with NM in several other distros
+(&quot;disconnected for local ... (reason=3)). I'm not sure what that would
+have to do with sysvinit script support.
+
+&gt;<i> So 2160 is the only bug remaining here but i think it's probably the
+</I>&gt;<i> same bug aka it was reported when nm was not supporting sysvinit
+</I>
+Please explain about nm not supporting sysvinit, or point me to the
+relevant bug report. 2160 documented a case where the kernel reports a
+&quot;no link beat detected&quot; a second or so before reporting &quot;link beat
+detected&quot;, and apparently NM sees the first and aborts trying to bring
+up the interface. In the bug, I called this aggressive timeout, but it
+may just be that NM is misinterpreting the events it sees.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just google for NM problems (there's a ton of people having trouble with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One of the annoying things about it is that you can say &quot;no&quot; to it in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ifcfg file, but it will try to handle the interface anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's happening with the *current* networkmanager of with the beta when
+</I>&gt;<i> the patch was not applied because blino did fix the patch&amp; now nm
+</I>&gt;<i> respect the ifcfg- command line.
+</I>
+I'll be doing a fresh install on the laptop experiencing the problem in
+the next couple of days, and I'll check to see whether the problem(s)
+still occur(s). Since no one ever posted to the bug report that it
+might be fixed, I've simply been removing the package whenever it gets
+reinstalled or on fresh installs.
+
+I'll wait to do the test to say this for sure, but IIRC I would
+occasionally not notice that some urpmi --auto-update had reinstalled NM
+until the wireless stopped coming up, and this was well after seeing
+your posts about blino's patch.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> And if you look
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in bug 2160, it appears that we have no maintainer for it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well there's a lot of packages without maintainer ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, if we're considering doing something that has the potential of
+breaking peoples' systems, it would make sense (at least to me) to tread
+carefully unless we have someone on hand that can deal with the
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+&gt;<i> Well i believe there are only two distros in which it works really -that i
+</I>&gt;<i> tested of course- Fedora and Ubuntu.
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+Add OpenSUSE to the list, I have been using it with my work laptop for
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 19/11/11 19:34 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:26:22 am Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do I need to do to get it dropped?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just svn rm&lt;adress_sv_ssh&gt;/cauldron/&lt;pkg&gt;/current I think.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And commit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And commit :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you pass in the full URL rather than just using the working tree then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> commit is implied.... In fact as you'd want to remove the &lt;pkg&gt; folder
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> too, then this is likely the better way to do it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> Would you mind to check if I did this correct?
+</I>
+Well I can't access this URL:
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/php-ffmpeg/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/php-ffmpeg/</A>
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+so I presume all is well :)
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+Col
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+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+<PRE>On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:51:12 -0500
+Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Angelo Naselli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well i believe there are only two distros in which it works really -that i
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tested of course- Fedora and Ubuntu.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Add OpenSUSE to the list, I have been using it with my work laptop for
+</I>&gt;<i> more than seven months without any issues.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And it is working for me pretty fine in Mageia Cauldron, specially for
+wireless networks, in 3 or 4 laptops. I finally have been able to do things
+that I had never managed to set up with net-applet:
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+- have a zillion (well, really like 5 or 6) wifi network setups in
+ /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections and let the daemon pick one without
+ the need to rewrite ifcfg-wlan0 (even automagically)
+- have a wireless network being started and connected without a user logged in,
+ just at system boot
+- restart daemons like gmond, that do not play fine on network ups and downs
+ from /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d
+
+Setting all those things is easy from the point of view of a cli admin, you can
+even copy many things from one system to another and have it working.
+I vote for going to NM, and use a setup tool that writes files into
+/etc/NetworkManager/system-connection for wired system connections.
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+And I really think that NM plays much nicer with the rest of systemd
+environment than current scripts.
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+&gt;<i> And it is working for me pretty fine in Mageia Cauldron, specially for
+</I>&gt;<i> wireless networks, in 3 or 4 laptops. I finally have been able to do things
+</I>&gt;<i> that I had never managed to set up with net-applet:
+</I>OK, since it seems that it's working well for lots of folks, I look
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+&gt;<i> On 11/21/2011 05:25 PM, JA Magallon wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And it is working for me pretty fine in Mageia Cauldron, specially for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wireless networks, in 3 or 4 laptops. I finally have been able to do
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; things
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that I had never managed to set up with net-applet:
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, since it seems that it's working well for lots of folks, I look
+</I>&gt;<i> forward to testing it again in the next few days, and I'll provide
+</I>&gt;<i> detailed feedback.
+</I>Me, too.
+Last time I tried (which was one week ago), when nm was installed, my wifi
+didn't work any more.
+After uninstalling it again, it worked again.
+If this didn't change in the last 7 days, I vote against nm...
+I'll check the next days.
+
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+&gt;<i> Name : btrfs-progs Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 0.19 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.20111027.2.mga2 Build Date: Mon Nov 21 21:42:13 2011
+</I>
+[...]
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+&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="https://github.com/linsomniac/btrfs-progs">https://github.com/linsomniac/btrfs-progs</A>
+</I>
+[...]
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+&gt;<i> kamil&lt;kamil&gt; 0.19-1.20111027.2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 170664
+</I>&gt;<i> - URL updated (mga #3035)
+</I>
+Why did you change the url to a $random site ???
+
+Official site for btrfs is still <A HREF="http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/">http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/</A>
+
+It was only the &quot;index.php/Main_Page&quot; part that should have been dropped.
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+--
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+<PRE>Le lundi 21 novembre 2011 16:50:35 Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, I transposed - should have been 865.
+</I>
+So here the problems here seems to happend when using the *specific* mdv plugin
+on mageia 1 &amp; not with the native plugin (keyfile).
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Bug 2416 was submitted when nm 0.9 (well beta) was not patched to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; support our sysvinit script, we'll still waiting for an answer of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; initial report.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you look at comment #6 in this bug, you'll see that this is another
+</I>&gt;<i> case of the same bug reported with NM in several other distros
+</I>&gt;<i> (&quot;disconnected for local ... (reason=3)). I'm not sure what that would
+</I>&gt;<i> have to do with sysvinit script support.
+</I>This bug report is against nm not respecting the NM_CONTROLLED=no cf comment
+#1
+We can expect problem when 2 system are trying to interfere with the same
+hardware.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So 2160 is the only bug remaining here but i think it's probably the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; same bug aka it was reported when nm was not supporting sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please explain about nm not supporting sysvinit, or point me to the
+</I>&gt;<i> relevant bug report. 2160 documented a case where the kernel reports a
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;no link beat detected&quot; a second or so before reporting &quot;link beat
+</I>&gt;<i> detected&quot;, and apparently NM sees the first and aborts trying to bring
+</I>&gt;<i> up the interface. In the bug, I called this aggressive timeout, but it
+</I>&gt;<i> may just be that NM is misinterpreting the events it sees.
+</I>The bug was reported the 2011-07-15 while nm was updated to the beta 0.9 the
+2011-06-14 by dmorgan.
+The support for ifcfg files (aka respect the NM_CONTROLLED=no and what i was
+wrongly calling support in sysvinit) was added by blino on 2011-07-31 by
+patching the redhat plugin.
+&gt;<i>From the log you did past in comment #1 we can see that NM &amp; sysvinit are
+</I>trying to put on the same interface.
+You never explicity wrote that you have in your nm to control your wifi
+interface from what you write &amp; since i can see ifplug running i can expect
+that you were using by default sysvinit script &amp; not nm.
+So we 're still in the situation &#171; nm is not reading correctly the ifcfg file &amp;
+do not respect the NM_CONTROLLED=no solution.
+Your solution was to removed nm from your system to ensure that only ifcfg are
+used &amp; that nm does not try to bring up your interface.
+Regarding your comment #9 it seems their is a bug in the rhplugin &amp; it should
+be reported &amp; assigned to blino (since he's the one to code this
+functionnality).
+Please note that i don't deny there's a problem eventually but if indeed it's
+not working correctly with nm explicity with ifcfg- disable (aka only a lo
+interface &amp; no etho/wan/whatelse) using the native keyfile plugin (&amp; not the
+rh-plugin) we should report it upstream.
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll be doing a fresh install on the laptop experiencing the problem in
+</I>&gt;<i> the next couple of days, and I'll check to see whether the problem(s)
+</I>&gt;<i> still occur(s). Since no one ever posted to the bug report that it
+</I>&gt;<i> might be fixed, I've simply been removing the package whenever it gets
+</I>&gt;<i> reinstalled or on fresh installs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll wait to do the test to say this for sure, but IIRC I would
+</I>&gt;<i> occasionally not notice that some urpmi --auto-update had reinstalled NM
+</I>&gt;<i> until the wireless stopped coming up, and this was well after seeing
+</I>&gt;<i> your posts about blino's patch.
+</I>Then if nm does not respect the NM_CONTROLLED=no (using the rhkeyfile plugin)
+then it should be reported &amp; assigned to blino.
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; Well there's a lot of packages without maintainer ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, if we're considering doing something that has the potential of
+</I>&gt;<i> breaking peoples' systems, it would make sense (at least to me) to tread
+</I>&gt;<i> carefully unless we have someone on hand that can deal with the
+</I>&gt;<i> problems, no ?
+</I>Here our bug triager team looks directly @ the commits to find someone which
+might be able to help on that
+(because if we're looking @ <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt</A>
+there's a lot of problematic packages without maintainer like at least grub :p
+)
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+Regards,
+--
+Balcaen John
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+Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name : module-init-tools Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 3.16 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 7.5.8.mga2 Build Date: Mon Nov 21 19:25:57 2011
+</I>
+Just a couple things I noticed:
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+&gt;<i> + Revision: 170576
+</I>&gt;<i> - reduce number of runtime warnings
+</I>&gt;<i> - drop kernel 2.4 -&gt; 2.6 module mapping which is uneeded for long time
+</I>
+- 00_modprobe.conf still does:
+ include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat [1]
+
+&gt;<i> -?\194?\160drop patch 3 and move modprobe.default in modprobe.d
+</I>
+- should not 00_modprobe.conf be called something like 00_default.conf, in
+ case /etc/modprobe.conf is moved to /etc/modprobe.d, as some errors claim ? [1]
+
+&gt;<i> - drop patch 6 and move ldetect-lst in modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> (still read before kernel aliases list)
+</I>
+- should not that end also in .conf ?
+
+&gt;<i> - document remaining patches
+</I>&gt;<i> - patch 9: rename warn() as mod_warn() (mga#3309):
+</I>&gt;<i> - patch 10: API for quiet mode in ldetect
+</I>
+[1]
+
+werewolf:~# bootloader-config --action rebuild-initrds
+perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+:<i> No such file or directory
+</I>perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated, please use /etc/modprobe.d
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+&gt;<i> Ok, so everybody agree with changing the names with the proposal I made,
+</I>&gt;<i> and adding an optional description line in media.cfg on the mirrors and
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg for each media, to be displayed by rpmdrake in a
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+&gt;<i> Ok, so everybody agree with changing the names with the proposal I made,
+</I>&gt;<i> and adding an optional description line in media.cfg on the mirrors and
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg for each media, to be displayed by rpmdrake in a
+</I>&gt;<i> description column in drakrpm-edit-media near the name ?
+</I>
+Also, we could probably use tabs to make the default interface for
+drakrpm-edit-media simpler:
+- one tab for release + updates media (i.e. the most useful for average
+users)
+- one tab for backports media
+- one tab for testing media
+- one tab for debug + sources media
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+This would remove a lot of clutter from the current interface
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+&gt;<i> On 11/21/2011 02:14 PM, Marianne Lombard wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What will Mageia team do ? Continue to maintain and enhance
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drakx-net or follow all others distributions with NetworkManager ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are a number of serious problems with NM that have not, to my
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge, been dealt with. It's particularly bad with wireless
+</I>&gt;<i> (which is what Mageia tends to use it for the most); see bugs 856,
+</I>&gt;<i> 2160, 2416. Or just google for NM problems (there's a ton of people
+</I>&gt;<i> having trouble with it).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One of the annoying things about it is that you can say &quot;no&quot; to it in
+</I>&gt;<i> the ifcfg file, but it will try to handle the interface anyway. And
+</I>&gt;<i> if you look in bug 2160, it appears that we have no maintainer for it.
+</I>
+Well, there was also a bug in drakx-net about that, and I've finally
+found time to fix it.
+This has been introduced by the NM support added by Mandriva (revision
+271832), which we carelessly imported initially :-/
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+Basically, if a NM_CONTROLLED setting was present in an ifcfg file, it
+would always be rewritten as &quot;yes&quot;...
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+This bugfix was worth a big release bump, welcome drakx-net 1.0!
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Angelo Naselli&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well i believe there are only two distros in which it works really -that i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tested of course- Fedora and Ubuntu.
+</I>&gt;<i> Add OpenSUSE to the list, I have been using it with my work laptop for
+</I>&gt;<i> more than seven months without any issues.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> juancho
+</I>+ Debian, no problems with Gnome
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+<PRE>On 11/21/2011 07:10 PM, Olivier Blin wrote:
+&gt;<i> Well, there was also a bug in drakx-net about that, and I've finally
+</I>&gt;<i> found time to fix it. This has been introduced by the NM support added
+</I>&gt;<i> by Mandriva (revision 271832), which we carelessly imported initially
+</I>&gt;<i> :-/ Basically, if a NM_CONTROLLED setting was present in an ifcfg
+</I>&gt;<i> file, it would always be rewritten as &quot;yes&quot;... This bugfix was worth a
+</I>&gt;<i> big release bump, welcome drakx-net 1.0!
+</I>Merci mille fois, O Maitre de drakx-net. I didn't mention that one, but
+it was quite annoying.
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+<PRE>On 11/21/2011 06:01 PM, Balcaen John wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 21 novembre 2011 16:50:35 Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, I transposed - should have been 865.
+</I>&gt;<i> So here the problems here seems to happend when using the *specific* mdv plugin
+</I>&gt;<i> on mageia 1&amp; not with the native plugin (keyfile).
+</I>
+Well, it uses whatever the Mageia install puts there. I didn't change
+anything from the defaults, much less anything specific to NM, about
+which I know next to nothing.
+
+And all of this goes to Cauldron, not 1. I have never done an install
+of 1, but always Cauldron with daily updates and periodic (~ every three
+weeks or so ) fresh installs.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The bug was reported the 2011-07-15 while nm was updated to the beta 0.9 the
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011-06-14 by dmorgan.
+</I>&gt;<i> The support for ifcfg files (aka respect the NM_CONTROLLED=no and what i was
+</I>&gt;<i> wrongly calling support in sysvinit) was added by blino on 2011-07-31 by
+</I>&gt;<i> patching the redhat plugin.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; From the log you did past in comment #1 we can see that NM&amp; sysvinit are
+</I>&gt;<i> trying to put on the same interface.
+</I>&gt;<i> You never explicity wrote that you have in your nm to control your wifi
+</I>&gt;<i> interface from what you write&amp; since i can see ifplug running i can expect
+</I>&gt;<i> that you were using by default sysvinit script&amp; not nm.
+</I>&gt;<i> So we 're still in the situation &#171; nm is not reading correctly the ifcfg file&amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> do not respect the NM_CONTROLLED=no solution.
+</I>&gt;<i> Your solution was to removed nm from your system to ensure that only ifcfg are
+</I>&gt;<i> used&amp; that nm does not try to bring up your interface.
+</I>&gt;<i> Regarding your comment #9 it seems their is a bug in the rhplugin&amp; it should
+</I>&gt;<i> be reported&amp; assigned to blino (since he's the one to code this
+</I>&gt;<i> functionnality).
+</I>&gt;<i> Please note that i don't deny there's a problem eventually but if indeed it's
+</I>&gt;<i> not working correctly with nm explicity with ifcfg- disable (aka only a lo
+</I>&gt;<i> interface&amp; no etho/wan/whatelse) using the native keyfile plugin (&amp; not the
+</I>&gt;<i> rh-plugin) we should report it upstream.
+</I>
+Just to clarify, none of these errors is specific to system startup.
+All of them and all of the doc I included in my bugreports was taken
+from attempts to activate the interface *after* bootup. So I still
+don't see what sysvinit would have to do with it.
+
+&gt;<i> You never explicity wrote that you have in your nm to control your wifi
+</I>&gt;<i> interface from what you write&amp; since i can see ifplug running i can expect
+</I>&gt;<i> that you were using by default sysvinit script&amp; not nm
+</I>
+I'm not sure what you mean by this. &quot;in your nm&quot; would imply that I
+modified some NM-specific config file, which I assure you I did not. I
+have never done anything NM-specific to control NM. The only things not
+done indirectly by NM itself or net-applet were my settings of
+NM_CONTROLLED and NEEDHOSTNAME in the ifcfg.
+
+If there's an NM config option here that's out-of-line, it's Mageia
+that's putting it there, not me.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then if nm does not respect the NM_CONTROLLED=no (using the rhkeyfile plugin)
+</I>&gt;<i> then it should be reported&amp; assigned to blino.
+</I>
+I agree but realize that if I have to use this to begin with, there's an
+NM bug that is potentially severe enough to prevent distro deployment.
+
+Really, guys, I sympathize with the desire to move to something newer
+supported by others. But you have to be ready to deal with the issue of
+back-breakage.
+
+We already went through this in Mandriva with system-config-printer,
+which on day one screwed up most of printerdrake's existing function.
+&quot;It's new&quot; is not an excuse for breaking 50% of what the replaced
+component did and then pointing fingers at &quot;upstream&quot; for the
+shortfall. If it isn't ready, then it isn't ready, period. Work with
+upstream until it is, and *then* dump it into Cauldron. It doesn't have
+to be perfect, but it has to be good enough that it leaves systems
+functional enough to do meaningful testing with it to provide feedback,
+which is the whole point of Cauldron.
+
+Blowing away the wireless capability of a significant portion of the
+community and then sitting back and saying stuff like &quot;well it was a
+beta&quot; or &quot;we have to wait for upstream to fix that&quot; doesn't cut it.
+This isn't just a blind rebuild of some stable package that doesn't
+warrant preliminary testing. It's a major piece of the distro
+infrastructure, and you shouldn't be doing changes like that unless
+
+a) you're able and prepared to dedicate the resource to attack the
+problems as they occur
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+b) you're prepared to back the packages out if you can't do (a).
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+<PRE>2011/11/21 Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 11/21/2011 06:01 PM, Balcaen John wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 21 novembre 2011 16:50:35 Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, I transposed - should have been 865.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So here the problems here seems to happend when using the *specific* mdv
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> plugin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on mageia 1&amp; &#160;not with the native plugin (keyfile).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, it uses whatever the Mageia install puts there. &#160;I didn't change
+</I>&gt;<i> anything from the defaults, much less anything specific to NM, about which I
+</I>&gt;<i> know next to nothing.
+</I>I did not say anything else.
+I personally don't use the rhplugin or the mdv before but always
+switch to keyfile.
+
+&gt;<i> And all of this goes to Cauldron, not 1. &#160;I have never done an install of 1,
+</I>&gt;<i> but always Cauldron with daily updates and periodic (~ every three weeks or
+</I>&gt;<i> so ) fresh installs.
+</I>On this initial bug report Mageia was providing the &#171; old &#187; 0.8.x
+version which in fact was only available in mageia 1 since dmorgan
+updated it to the 0.9 beta series once he started the migration to
+gnome3.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> The bug was reported the 2011-07-15 while nm was updated to the beta 0.9
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011-06-14 by dmorgan.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The support for ifcfg files &#160;(aka respect the &#160;NM_CONTROLLED=no and what i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrongly calling support in sysvinit) was added by blino on 2011-07-31 by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patching the redhat plugin.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; From the log you did past in comment #1 we can see that NM&amp; &#160;sysvinit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> trying to put on the same interface.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You never explicity wrote that you have in your nm to control your wifi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interface from what you write&amp; &#160;since i can see ifplug running i can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> expect
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that you were using by default sysvinit script&amp; &#160;not nm.
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just to clarify, none of these errors is specific to system startup. &#160;All of
+</I>&gt;<i> them and all of the doc I included in my bugreports was taken from attempts
+</I>&gt;<i> to activate the interface *after* bootup. &#160;So I still don't see what
+</I>&gt;<i> sysvinit would have to do with it.
+</I>Add said earlier i wrongly used the term of sysvinit when talking
+abouf the ifcfg-.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> You never explicity wrote that you have in your nm to control your wifi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interface from what you write&amp; &#160;since i can see ifplug running i can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> expect
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that you were using by default sysvinit script&amp; &#160;not nm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure what you mean by this. &#160;&quot;in your nm&quot; would imply that I
+</I>&gt;<i> modified some NM-specific config file, which I assure you I did not. &#160;I
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;have never done anything NM-specific to control NM. &#160;The only things not
+</I>&gt;<i> done indirectly by NM itself or net-applet were my settings of NM_CONTROLLED
+</I>&gt;<i> and NEEDHOSTNAME in the ifcfg.
+</I>I wrote too fast here.
+I meant that you never wrote somewhere that you choose to use nm
+(especially since i can notice that ifplugd was playing with nm in the
+logs).
+
+&gt;<i> If there's an NM config option here that's out-of-line, it's Mageia that's
+</I>&gt;<i> putting it there, not me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then if nm does not respect the NM_CONTROLLED=no (using the rhkeyfile
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> plugin)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then it should be reported&amp; &#160;assigned to blino.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree but realize that if I have to use this to begin with, there's an NM
+</I>&gt;<i> bug that is potentially severe enough to prevent distro deployment.
+</I>I do understand &amp; that's why i suggested you to use the keyfile plugin
+in #865 instead of the &#171; ifcfg-mdv plugin not maintained anymore in
+0.8.x &#187; or the rh plugin which also lacks some functionnality.
+
+&gt;<i> Really, guys, I sympathize with the desire to move to something newer
+</I>&gt;<i> supported by others. &#160;But you have to be ready to deal with the issue of
+</I>&gt;<i> back-breakage.
+</I>I personally don't care if Mageia wants to switch to nm or stick to
+drakx-net, i was here to comment some bugs linked by you here.
+Nm is provided by mageia and it's far than enough for me because i'm
+able to use it without problem since Mageia 1. So as long as we have
+someone to deal/maintain with drakx-net we can still follow this road.
+[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Blowing away the wireless capability of a significant portion of the
+</I>&gt;<i> community and then sitting back and saying stuff like &quot;well it was a beta&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> or &quot;we have to wait for upstream to fix that&quot; doesn't cut it. &#160; This isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> just a blind rebuild of some stable package that doesn't warrant preliminary
+</I>&gt;<i> testing. &#160;It's a major piece of the distro infrastructure, and you shouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> be doing changes like that unless
+</I>Again here could you please test with the *keyfile* plugin &amp; if it's
+still broken with the native plugin report it upstream so we can get a
+bug fix for it ? (yes yet another fingers @ upstream :p )
+
+
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+Balcaen John
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+<PRE>On 11/21/2011 09:41 PM, John Balcaen wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did not say anything else.
+</I>&gt;<i> I personally don't use the rhplugin or the mdv before but always
+</I>&gt;<i> switch to keyfile.
+</I>
+Please understand that I have *never* modified any Mageia-installed NM
+configuration file. I don't know what you mean by the mdv/rh/keyfile
+reference. I've been through enough of this to understand that there's
+an NM config file that specifies a shell script file that comes in an
+*rh* (RedHat) and an *mdv* versions. I have no idea what &quot;keyfile&quot;
+refers to.in this context.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> And all of this goes to Cauldron, not 1. I have never done an install of 1,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but always Cauldron with daily updates and periodic (~ every three weeks or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so ) fresh installs.
+</I>&gt;<i> On this initial bug report Mageia was providing the &#171; old &#187; 0.8.x
+</I>&gt;<i> version which in fact was only available in mageia 1 since dmorgan
+</I>&gt;<i> updated it to the 0.9 beta series once he started the migration to
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome3.
+</I>
+Fine. I'm just pointing out that I wasn't testing with backlevelled
+code, but with Cauldron as current at the time.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wrote too fast here.
+</I>&gt;<i> I meant that you never wrote somewhere that you choose to use nm
+</I>&gt;<i> (especially since i can notice that ifplugd was playing with nm in the
+</I>&gt;<i> logs).
+</I>
+Umm, no, I never had to write that anywhere for the simple reason that I
+*didn't* choose to use NM. Mageia chose to use it for me, because GNOME
+3 required it. I didn't do one blessed thing to encourage the use of
+NM in any way.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> I agree but realize that if I have to use this to begin with, there's an NM
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bug that is potentially severe enough to prevent distro deployment.
+</I>&gt;<i> I do understand&amp; that's why i suggested you to use the keyfile plugin
+</I>&gt;<i> in #865 instead of the &#171; ifcfg-mdv plugin not maintained anymore in
+</I>&gt;<i> 0.8.x &#187; or the rh plugin which also lacks some functionnality.
+</I>
+Which, referring to the same bug report, I did and reported the
+results. If there was a lesson to be learned there, it didn't get
+fixed in whatever version of the plugin Mageia uses by default.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Really, guys, I sympathize with the desire to move to something newer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supported by others. But you have to be ready to deal with the issue of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> back-breakage.
+</I>&gt;<i> I personally don't care if Mageia wants to switch to nm or stick to
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx-net, i was here to comment some bugs linked by you here.
+</I>&gt;<i> Nm is provided by mageia and it's far than enough for me because i'm
+</I>&gt;<i> able to use it without problem since Mageia 1. So as long as we have
+</I>&gt;<i> someone to deal/maintain with drakx-net we can still follow this road.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>
+I'm fine with that...
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+&gt;<i> Again here could you please test with the *keyfile* plugin&amp; if it's
+</I>&gt;<i> still broken with the native plugin report it upstream so we can get a
+</I>&gt;<i> bug fix for it ? (yes yet another fingers @ upstream :p )
+</I>
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+<PRE>Le mardi 22 novembre 2011 00:11:49, Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 11/21/2011 09:41 PM, John Balcaen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I did not say anything else.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I personally don't use the rhplugin or the mdv before but always
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; switch to keyfile.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please understand that I have *never* modified any Mageia-installed NM
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration file. I don't know what you mean by the mdv/rh/keyfile
+</I>&gt;<i> reference. I've been through enough of this to understand that there's
+</I>&gt;<i> an NM config file that specifies a shell script file that comes in an
+</I>&gt;<i> *rh* (RedHat) and an *mdv* versions. I have no idea what &quot;keyfile&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> refers to.in this context.
+</I>Ok so in fact you did not follow my suggestion here
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c1">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c1</A> ?
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Umm, no, I never had to write that anywhere for the simple reason that I
+</I>&gt;<i> *didn't* choose to use NM. Mageia chose to use it for me, because GNOME
+</I>&gt;<i> 3 required it. I didn't do one blessed thing to encourage the use of
+</I>&gt;<i> NM in any way.
+</I>I never wrote that you choose nm simply that you get affected by the &#171; non
+support &#187; of ifcfg-mdv initially.
+After seems like you also hit a bug in drakx-net which switch to nm per
+default (&amp; fixed since today by blino)
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+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I agree but realize that if I have to use this to begin with, there's an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; NM bug that is potentially severe enough to prevent distro deployment.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I do understand&amp; that's why i suggested you to use the keyfile plugin
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in #865 instead of the &#171; ifcfg-mdv plugin not maintained anymore in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 0.8.x &#187; or the rh plugin which also lacks some functionnality.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which, referring to the same bug report, I did and reported the
+</I>&gt;<i> results. If there was a lesson to be learned there, it didn't get
+</I>&gt;<i> fixed in whatever version of the plugin Mageia uses by default.
+</I>hum ?
+The only comment here was that :
+1) ifcfg-mdv plugin was broken (&amp; now in fact dead in mageia 2+)
+
+2) try ifcfg-rh to see if it's also affected (
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c6">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c6</A> )
+you did not try arguing that the maintainer should report it upstream.
+ ( <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c8">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c8</A> ) which is quite difficult if
+the maintainer (well in this case there is no maintainer so it's even more
+difficult) is not able to reproduce simply because for example he does not have
+the same wifi card. That's why i suggest you to report it upstream since you
+should be able to answer questions from upstream if needed.
+
+3) keyfile is not affected by the hostname bug in #865
+
+However when i suggested to switch to keyfile (on irc indeed not on mageia
+mailing list) instead of the ifcfg-rh plugin or (any others non native
+plugins) i was told that we need to support ifcfg (which is right indeed)
+
+So in summary we have a working plugin (keyfile) but we're not able to use it
+because we need to support ifcfg- files so we're stick with the redhat plugin
+for now until we found someone able to fix the missing functionnalities in this
+plugin.
+
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+--
+Balcaen John
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+<PRE>Olivier Blin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok, so everybody agree with changing the names with the proposal I made,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and adding an optional description line in media.cfg on the mirrors and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg for each media, to be displayed by rpmdrake in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> description column in drakrpm-edit-media near the name ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>+1
+&gt;<i> Also, we could probably use tabs to make the default interface for
+</I>&gt;<i> drakrpm-edit-media simpler:
+</I>&gt;<i> - one tab for release + updates media (i.e. the most useful for average
+</I>&gt;<i> users)
+</I>&gt;<i> - one tab for backports media
+</I>&gt;<i> - one tab for testing media
+</I>&gt;<i> - one tab for debug + sources media
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This would remove a lot of clutter from the current interface
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Good idea :)
+A lot better than having to scroll though what seems like 100 lines.
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+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>On 22 November 2011 00:06, JA Magallon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:30:13 +0100 (CET)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 170576
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - reduce number of runtime warnings
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - drop kernel 2.4 -&gt; 2.6 module mapping which is uneeded for long time
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - 00_modprobe.conf still does:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat [1]
+</I>
+I forgot to copy back the altered patch, already fixed
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> -?\194?\160drop patch 3 and move modprobe.default in modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - should not 00_modprobe.conf be called something like 00_default.conf, in
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;case /etc/modprobe.conf is moved to /etc/modprobe.d, as some errors claim ? [1]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - drop patch 6 and move ldetect-lst in modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; (still read before kernel aliases list)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - should not that end also in .conf ?
+</I>
+.alias is fine
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> - document remaining patches
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - patch 9: rename warn() as mod_warn() (mga#3309):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - patch 10: API for quiet mode in ldetect
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:~# bootloader-config --action rebuild-initrds
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> perl: &quot;include /lib/module-init-tools/modprobe.compat&quot; is deprecated, please use /etc/modprobe.d
+</I>&gt;<i> : No such file or directory
+</I>
+we need to alter drakxtools &amp; generate-modprobe.conf first before
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+&gt;<i> On 21 November 2011 19:54, Mageia Team&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> 13 hours ago tv module-init-tools-3.16-8.mga2 cauldron
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+&gt;<i> I was reading cooker ML a few days ago (yes I know, it's a strange idea)
+</I>&gt;<i> when I've read that Mandriva has stopped using (and thereof developing it).
+</I>&gt;<i> They have switched to NetworkManager (you all know this tool).
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+</I>&gt;<i> What will Mageia team do ? Continue to maintain and enhance drakx-net or
+</I>&gt;<i> follow all others distributions with NetworkManager ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a precision, I use Networkmanager with mageia1 on my laptop (due to the
+</I>&gt;<i> VPN we use at work)
+</I>
+drakx-net code is used everywhere (installer, mga_applet, ...)
+so we still have to maintain it in order to set up network
+while installing.
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+so we would have to transform drakx-net basecode into
+something that relay back data from NM.
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+Dunno what does anaconda (RH installer), does it set up
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+&gt;<i> On 21 November 2011 20:14, Marianne Lombard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marianne at tuxette.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was reading cooker ML a few days ago (yes I know, it's a strange idea)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when I've read that Mandriva has stopped using (and thereof developing it).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They have switched to NetworkManager (you all know this tool).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What will Mageia team do ? Continue to maintain and enhance drakx-net or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> follow all others distributions with NetworkManager ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just a precision, I use Networkmanager with mageia1 on my laptop (due to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> VPN we use at work)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx-net code is used everywhere (installer, mga_applet, ...)
+</I>&gt;<i> so we still have to maintain it in order to set up network
+</I>&gt;<i> while installing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so we would have to transform drakx-net basecode into
+</I>&gt;<i> something that relay back data from NM.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dunno what does anaconda (RH installer), does it set up
+</I>&gt;<i> network on his own or does it uses NM?
+</I>
+Hard and long work indeed to have something reliable. As stated by
+dmorgan, this is just not manageable for Mageia 2. There were discussion
+about specs some weeks ago, it should have been asked there. Still todo
+list until Mageia 2 stable is huge. Let focus on it :)
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+Anne
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+&gt;<i> On 21 November 2011 20:14, Marianne Lombard&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marianne at tuxette.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was reading cooker ML a few days ago (yes I know, it's a strange idea)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when I've read that Mandriva has stopped using (and thereof developing it).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They have switched to NetworkManager (you all know this tool).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What will Mageia team do ? Continue to maintain and enhance drakx-net or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> follow all others distributions with NetworkManager ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just a precision, I use Networkmanager with mageia1 on my laptop (due to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> VPN we use at work)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx-net code is used everywhere (installer, mga_applet, ...)
+</I>&gt;<i> so we still have to maintain it in order to set up network
+</I>&gt;<i> while installing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+One thing drakx-net is missing IIRC is IPv6 support,
+and that would be good to have for Mageia 2 too...
+
+&gt;<i> so we would have to transform drakx-net basecode into
+</I>&gt;<i> something that relay back data from NM.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dunno what does anaconda (RH installer), does it set up
+</I>&gt;<i> network on his own or does it uses NM?
+</I>
+
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+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> Mageia Team skrev 21.11.2011 22:46:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : btrfs-progs Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 0.19 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.20111027.2.mga2 Build Date: Mon Nov 21
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 21:42:13 2011
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="https://github.com/linsomniac/btrfs-progs">https://github.com/linsomniac/btrfs-progs</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kamil&lt;kamil&gt; 0.19-1.20111027.2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 170664
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - URL updated (mga #3035)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why did you change the url to a $random site ???
+</I>Search engine (Google and Duckduckgo) hasn't managed to show better then
+the official git page.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Official site for btrfs is still <A HREF="http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/">http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was only the &quot;index.php/Main_Page&quot; part that should have been dropped.
+</I>Thanks, corrected!
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
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+&gt;<i> On 11/21/2011 07:10 PM, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, there was also a bug in drakx-net about that, and I've finally
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> found time to fix it. This has been introduced by the NM support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> added by Mandriva (revision 271832), which we carelessly imported
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> initially :-/ Basically, if a NM_CONTROLLED setting was present in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an ifcfg file, it would always be rewritten as &quot;yes&quot;... This bugfix
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> was worth a big release bump, welcome drakx-net 1.0!
+</I>&gt;<i> Merci mille fois, O Maitre de drakx-net. I didn't mention that one,
+</I>&gt;<i> but it was quite annoying.
+</I>
+There's another annoying bug that is transforming the preset wifi mode
+to another mode when going through draknetcenter (for example switching
+a preset WPA network to WEP in the settings), it looks like they are
+cases where it is misreading some settings.
+
+Probably related to these bugs:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1263">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1263</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2712">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2712</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 22/11/11 07:55 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:~# bootloader-config --action rebuild-initrds
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>
+Just as a random thought, is /etc/modprobe.preload.d/ a Mandriva-ism or
+is it more widely used? I know that in systemd they are now trying to
+&quot;standardise&quot; on using /etc/module-load.d/*.conf (this isn't the same as
+/etc/modprobe.d/ but this seemed as related an email as possible to
+reply to about it!)
+
+If so should we try and move anything in modprobe.preload.d to
+module-load.d and update tools accordingly, especially if some tweaks
+are needed to the below tools anyway.....
+
+&gt;<i> we need to alter drakxtools &amp; generate-modprobe.conf first before
+</I>&gt;<i> moving that one
+</I>
+
+Col
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 21/11/11 22:07 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 19/11/11 19:34 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:26:22 am Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do I need to do to get it dropped?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just svn rm&lt;adress_sv_ssh&gt;/cauldron/&lt;pkg&gt;/current I think.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And commit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And commit :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you pass in the full URL rather than just using the working tree then
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> commit is implied.... In fact as you'd want to remove the &lt;pkg&gt; folder
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> too, then this is likely the better way to do it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would you mind to check if I did this correct?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well I can't access this URL:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/php-ffmpeg/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/php-ffmpeg/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so I presume all is well :)
+</I>
+OK, so someone still needs to drop the actual built binaries.
+
+I should know how to do this but I'm clueless :D
+
+Col
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie skrev 22.11.2011 13:39:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 21/11/11 22:07 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well I can't access this URL:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/php-ffmpeg/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/php-ffmpeg/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so I presume all is well :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, so someone still needs to drop the actual built binaries.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+Sent from my Motorola ATRIX&#8482; 4G on AT&amp;T
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+-----Original message-----
+From: Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:46:02 GMT+00:00
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
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+Colin Guthrie skrev 22.11.2011 13:39:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 21/11/11 22:07 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well I can't access this URL:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/php-ffmpeg/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/php-ffmpeg/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so I presume all is well :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, so someone still needs to drop the actual built binaries.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+dropped from primary mirror.
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+&gt;<i> One thing drakx-net is missing IIRC is IPv6 support,
+</I>&gt;<i> and that would be good to have for Mageia 2 too...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Where does it miss? I get IPv6 by default with it.
+Only WiFi hardware has IPv6 disabled by default.
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+So yes, it misses the report of an IPv6 global address in the applet, but this
+isn't important for Mageia 2 AMHO.
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+&gt;<i> On 21.11.2011 23:52, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Why did you change the url to a $random site ???
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Search engine (Google and Duckduckgo) hasn't managed to show better then
+</I>&gt;<i> the official git page.
+</I>It seems NOT to be the official git page as it says:
+&quot;My branch of the btrfs-progs project.&quot;
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+<PRE>zezinho skrev 22.11.2011 14:25:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 22 novembre 2011 11:34:09, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One thing drakx-net is missing IIRC is IPv6 support,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and that would be good to have for Mageia 2 too...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where does it miss? I get IPv6 by default with it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Only WiFi hardware has IPv6 disabled by default.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Oh, thats good then.
+
+&gt;<i> So yes, it misses the report of an IPv6 global address in the applet, but this
+</I>&gt;<i> isn't important for Mageia 2 AMHO.
+</I>
+
+ah, I only remembered the &quot;TODO: handle IPv6&quot; part here:
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+lib/network/tools.pm: #- TODO: handle IPv6 with /proc/net/ipv6_route
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+<PRE>On 11/21/2011 10:38 PM, Balcaen John wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 22 novembre 2011 00:11:49, Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please understand that I have *never* modified any Mageia-installed NM
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> configuration file.
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok so in fact you did not follow my suggestion here
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c1">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c1</A> ?
+</I>
+You know very well I did, as documented in
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c2">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c2</A> .
+
+To be more precise, the problem originally occurred with configuration
+files as installed by Mageia, unmodified by me. I was simply making the
+point that the problem scenario wasn't some custom arrangement that I
+might have screwed up.
+
+&gt;<i> hum ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The only comment here was that :
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) ifcfg-mdv plugin was broken (&amp; now in fact dead in mageia 2+)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) try ifcfg-rh to see if it's also affected (
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c6">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c6</A> )
+</I>&gt;<i> you did not try arguing that the maintainer should report it upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c8">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c8</A> ) which is quite difficult if
+</I>&gt;<i> the maintainer (well in this case there is no maintainer so it's even more
+</I>&gt;<i> difficult) is not able to reproduce simply because for example he does not have
+</I>&gt;<i> the same wifi card. That's why i suggest you to report it upstream since you
+</I>&gt;<i> should be able to answer questions from upstream if needed.
+</I>
+This entire discussion makes it evident why I wasn't the best one to
+report it upstream. Far more about how NM was introduced into Mageia
+has come out in this thread than was ever posted in the bugs I
+mentioned. The googled references to other people having the problem
+were not hardware-specific, and didn't involve the hardware I was using,
+so the knowledge of whoever implemented NM in Mageia would be far more
+valuable to upstream than access to my hardware. I posted detailed
+logs, and I would have been following the upstream bug in any case.
+
+
+&gt;<i> 3) keyfile is not affected by the hostname bug in #865
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However when i suggested to switch to keyfile (on irc indeed not on mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing list) instead of the ifcfg-rh plugin or (any others non native
+</I>&gt;<i> plugins) i was told that we need to support ifcfg (which is right indeed)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So in summary we have a working plugin (keyfile) but we're not able to use it
+</I>&gt;<i> because we need to support ifcfg- files so we're stick with the redhat plugin
+</I>&gt;<i> for now until we found someone able to fix the missing functionnalities in this
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin.
+</I>
+This really is not about saying you (or anyone else) did anything wrong
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+&gt;<i> If so should we try and move anything in modprobe.preload.d to
+</I>&gt;<i> module-load.d and update tools accordingly, especially if some tweaks
+</I>&gt;<i> are needed to the below tools anyway.....
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+&gt;<i> This is too late for mageia 2 and i think we have enough work to do
+</I>&gt;<i> because of stuffs like systemd.
+</I>&gt;<i> IF we do this i think this should be for magea 3-4 as this will
+</I>&gt;<i> require tweaks in the installer at least.
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+&gt;<i> Maybe something to consider for 2's kernel ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.itworld.com/software/225721/new-kernel-patch-slashes-linuxs-power-appetite?source=ITWNLE_nlt_linux_2011-11-22">http://www.itworld.com/software/225721/new-kernel-patch-slashes-linuxs-power-appetite?source=ITWNLE_nlt_linux_2011-11-22</A>
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+Already available in cauldron in kernel-3.1.2-0.rc1.1.mga2
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+And it's also queued for next Mageia 1 update kernel.
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+&gt;<i> Already available in cauldron in kernel-3.1.2-0.rc1.1.mga2
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+</I>&gt;<i> And it's also queued for next Mageia 1 update kernel.
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+Wahou! I will be able to remove my pcie_aspm=force from grub.
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+&gt;<i> alpha1 ISOs are on their way for this Friday (Nov. 25th) and we need
+</I>&gt;<i> to gather and prepare info about:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- what ISOs will be available,
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- what's new and how to handle it (systemd, but not only)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- what's is already known not to work,
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- what to test and how to report bugs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So please see <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1</A> as the canvas
+</I>&gt;<i> and update as you see fit.
+</I>
+Ping?
+
+Alpha 1 release is in 3 days, and it cannot go outside without this
+info available. And you guys know what to say there.
+
+Romain
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+[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation:
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+&gt;<i>On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 17:43, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alpha1 ISOs are on their way for this Friday (Nov. 25th) and we need
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to gather and prepare info about:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- what ISOs will be available,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- what's new and how to handle it (systemd, but not only)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- what's is already known not to work,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- what to test and how to report bugs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So please see <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1</A> as the canvas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and update as you see fit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Ping?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Alpha 1 release is in 3 days, and it cannot go outside without this
+</I>&gt;<i>info available. And you guys know what to say there.
+</I>
+
+Dear Romain,
+
+Till now qa recorded all in <A HREF="http://piratepad.net/owkBzzoJId">http://piratepad.net/owkBzzoJId</A>
+
+HTH
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+Best regards,
+=Dick Gevers=
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+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> This module provides functions to encode and decode UTF-8 encoding form as
+</I>&gt;<i> specified by Unicode and ISO/IEC 10646:2011.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is a summary of features for comparison with the Encode manpage's
+</I>&gt;<i> UTF-8 implementation:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * *
+</I>
+this has nothing to do in description...
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+&gt;<i> kharec &lt;kharec&gt; 0.510.0-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 171011
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package perl-Unicode-UTF8
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+&gt;<i> Revision 2143 Author ennael Date 2011-11-10 21:22:05 +0100 (Thu, 10 Nov
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> increase version
+</I>
+typo: s/13.6/13.68/
+You forgot to add spaces after the Version line (look
+at the usage in the file)
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+&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS 2011-11-10 20:00:59 UTC (rev 2142)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS 2011-11-10 20:22:05 UTC (rev 2143)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,3 +1,6 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> +Version 13.6 - 10 November 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> +- left banner for Mageia 2 Alpha 1
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> Version 13.67 - 07 November 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> - Add initial Systemd support
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Update NEWS
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should have updated install/NEWS since you released a installer and not
+</I>&gt;<i> drakxtools
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS &#160; &#160; 2011-11-07 00:29:10 UTC (rev 2129)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS &#160; &#160; 2011-11-07 00:40:34 UTC (rev 2130)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -1,4 +1,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --ync with kernel-3.1.0-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Version 13.67 - 07 November 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +- Add initial Systemd support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +- sync with kernel-3.1.0-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;* add hid devices:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;hid-keytouch, hid-uclogic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;* add sas/raid driver:
+</I>
+
+And you forgot to add spaces after the Version line (look
+at the usage in the file)
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+&gt;&gt;<i> increase version
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> typo: s/13.6/13.68/
+</I>&gt;<i> You forgot to add spaces after the Version line (look
+</I>&gt;<i> at the usage in the file)
+</I>
+And you should have updated install/NEWS since your changes are
+released to the installer, not to drakxtools
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+- perl-install/NEWS is for drakxtools changes
+- perl-install/NEWS is for installer changes
+ (eg: new RCx banners. install/* changes, ...)
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+(some changes may end in both)
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS &#160; &#160; 2011-11-10 20:00:59 UTC (rev 2142)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS &#160; &#160; 2011-11-10 20:22:05 UTC (rev 2143)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -1,3 +1,6 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Version 13.6 - 10 November 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +- left banner for Mageia 2 Alpha 1
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+&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 13.70-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 171045
+</I>&gt;<i> - drakbug:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o report the gtk+ theme in use (#3127) which explain some crashes (eg: #2679)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o include better C traces in reports
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o remove top of traces that is inside bug handler from report
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o no more run GDB (too late &amp; faster)
+</I>
+While auto reporting crashes was good for pure crashes, we
+never were able to get useful traces for segfaults
+
+So please test
+
+I'm considering backporting this into mga1 in order to
+get better bug reports when something crashes.
+This should really help the triage team
+(as well as developers who will get better bug reports)
+
+See bug #2679 for example:&#160;the usual useless stack which
+(due to the reporter reproducing it from within GDB) turned
+out to be a theme bug.
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+So please do test
+BTW 13.70.1 provides minor enhancements on top of that
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+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magallon at 03/11/11 00:42 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On a Cauldron system up to date till today, Gnome apps seem to ignore
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the cameras in the system. I have tried with cheese and empathy on two
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; boxes, one with an external USB camera and one with an internal one
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (it is USB anyways).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gstreamer-properties seems to recognise the camera and can test it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with v4l2, also luvcview gets image on both cameras. But those gnome
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; apps don't.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No clue but I noticed something similar the other day too....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It is working fine after latest updates.
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+BTW, do you know any echo server to test the video capabilities of empathy,
+preferable something with google talk ?
+
+TIA
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+&gt;<i> Name : meta-task Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 12.mga2 Build Date: Tue Nov 22 22:26:13
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : System/Configuration/Other Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 40709 License: GPL
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Meta task listing packages by group
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> prefer.vendor.list is used by urpmi, rpmdrake and installer to prefer some
+</I>&gt;<i> packages when there is a choice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;rpmsrate&quot; and &quot;compsUsers.pl&quot; are used by installer and rpmdrake to choose
+</I>&gt;<i> packages to install.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> alien &lt;alien&gt; 1:2-12.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 171063
+</I>&gt;<i> - prefer mysql over mariadb
+</I>Well since your mariadb library does also provide the &#171; mysql &#187; libraries
+(which is probably not necessary from my point of view since rpm is going to
+add a requires on libmysqlclient.so.18()(64bit) ) how are we going to deal
+with the preference between mysqld &amp; mariadb library ?
+
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-ID: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 23 november 2011 02:07:16 schreef Balcaen John:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 22 novembre 2011 18:27:08, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : meta-task Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version : 2 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Release : 12.mga2 Build Date: Tue Nov 22
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 22:26:13 2011 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; jonund Group : System/Configuration/Other Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Size : 40709 License: GPL
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary : Meta task listing packages by group
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; prefer.vendor.list is used by urpmi, rpmdrake and installer to prefer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; some packages when there is a choice.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;rpmsrate&quot; and &quot;compsUsers.pl&quot; are used by installer and rpmdrake to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; choose packages to install.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; alien &lt;alien&gt; 1:2-12.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 171063
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - prefer mysql over mariadb
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well since your mariadb library does also provide the &#171; mysql &#187; libraries
+</I>&gt;<i> (which is probably not necessary from my point of view since rpm is going
+</I>&gt;<i> to add a requires on libmysqlclient.so.18()(64bit) ) how are we going to
+</I>&gt;<i> deal with the preference between mysqld &amp; mariadb library ?
+</I>
+afaik it's a ordering of choices, mysql will be matched by it and be 1st
+choice. (i can be wrong of course; but anssi seemed to think this would be
+possible)
+
+of course, there's another simple solution, i can put the preference on
+mariadb... :-P
+
+with regards to provides; are you sure all mysql requirements are with
+libmysqlclient.so.18?
+
+maybe i have too much provides, but since it's a drop-in replacement, i see no
+evil in that.
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+</I>&gt;<i> afaik it's a ordering of choices, mysql will be matched by it and be 1st
+</I>&gt;<i> choice. (i can be wrong of course; but anssi seemed to think this would be
+</I>&gt;<i> possible)
+</I>well i'm not sure that mysql is enough to choose lib64mysqldb18 over
+lib64mariadb18 that's why i'm asking.
+
+&gt;<i> of course, there's another simple solution, i can put the preference on
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb... :-P
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> with regards to provides; are you sure all mysql requirements are with
+</I>&gt;<i> libmysqlclient.so.18?
+</I>I'm not sure that all of them requires it but there's some package at least :
+
+urpmf --requires libmysqlclient.so.18 |wc -l
+105
+
+&amp; as an example here :
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+urpmq --requires qt4-database-plugin-mysql |grep mysqlclient
+--requires behaviour changed, use --requires-recursive to get the old
+behaviour
+qt4-database-plugin-mysql: libmysqlclient.so.18()(64bit)
+
+&gt;<i> maybe i have too much provides, but since it's a drop-in replacement, i see
+</I>&gt;<i> no evil in that.
+</I>Well here rpm is adding them automatically :)
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+rpm -qp --provides ./lib64mariadb18-5.5.15-0.4.mga2.x86_64.rpm
+mariadb-shared-libs = 5.5.15-0.4.mga2
+mariadb-shared = 5.5.15-0.4.mga2
+lib64mysql18
+libmysqlclient.so.18()(64bit)
+libmysqlclient.so.18(libmysqlclient_16)(64bit)
+libmysqlclient.so.18(libmysqlclient_18)(64bit)
+lib64mariadb18 = 5.5.15-0.4.mga2
+lib64mariadb18(x86-64) = 5.5.15-0.4.mga2
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 22 novembre 2011 23:01:38, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; afaik it's a ordering of choices, mysql will be matched by it and be 1st
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; choice. (i can be wrong of course; but anssi seemed to think this would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be possible)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> well i'm not sure that mysql is enough to choose lib64mysqldb18 over
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mariadb18 that's why i'm asking.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of course, there's another simple solution, i can put the preference on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mariadb... :-P
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with regards to provides; are you sure all mysql requirements are with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libmysqlclient.so.18?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure that all of them requires it but there's some package at least
+</I>&gt;<i> :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmf --requires libmysqlclient.so.18 |wc -l
+</I>&gt;<i> 105
+</I>In fact the list is fewer than that :p (i have some redundant media here)
+urpmf --requires libmysqlclient.so.18 --media &quot;Core Release&quot; |wc -l
+44
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 22 novembre 2011 23:01:38, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; afaik it's a ordering of choices, mysql will be matched by it and be 1st
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; choice. (i can be wrong of course; but anssi seemed to think this would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be possible)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> well i'm not sure that mysql is enough to choose lib64mysqldb18 over
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mariadb18 that's why i'm asking.
+</I>
+hmm, yes, i probably should add the other ones too -_-'
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; of course, there's another simple solution, i can put the preference on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mariadb... :-P
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with regards to provides; are you sure all mysql requirements are with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libmysqlclient.so.18?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure that all of them requires it but there's some package at least
+</I>&gt;<i> :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmf --requires libmysqlclient.so.18 |wc -l
+</I>&gt;<i> 105
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &amp; as an example here :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmq --requires qt4-database-plugin-mysql |grep mysqlclient
+</I>&gt;<i> --requires behaviour changed, use --requires-recursive to get the old
+</I>&gt;<i> behaviour
+</I>&gt;<i> qt4-database-plugin-mysql: libmysqlclient.so.18()(64bit)
+</I>[...]
+
+i meant that it's possible that other package require mysql in another way
+than libmysqlclient.so
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+if i'm adding lib64mysqldb18 and libmysqldb18 it should be better, no?
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+hmm, i have no idea about this, i'm gonna ask around about this...
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+</I>&gt;<i> i meant that it's possible that other package require mysql in another way
+</I>&gt;<i> than libmysqlclient.so
+</I>For thoses packages the prefer vendor list is enough (the one requiring
+directly mysqld/ mysql-client package)
+But for package pulling only the library (so the libmysqlclient.so,
+libmysqld.so or libmysqlservices.so ) how can we ensure that mysql won't be
+installed while pulling the libmysqlclient.so/libmysqld.so/etc from mariadb &amp;
+vice et versa.
+
+&gt;<i> if i'm adding lib64mysqldb18 and libmysqldb18 it should be better, no?
+</I>I don't know that's why i'm asking :p
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please remove the package abuse_sdl, I remembered after I imported
+</I>&gt;<i> that &quot;_&quot; shouldn't be used on the name of a package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Juancho
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+Maybe it's a silly question, but can't you do it with svn rm?
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+</I>&gt;<i> Please remove the package abuse_sdl, I remembered after I imported
+</I>&gt;<i> that &quot;_&quot; shouldn't be used on the name of a package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
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+&gt;<i> On 23.11.2011 07:35, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please remove the package abuse_sdl, I remembered after I imported
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that &quot;_&quot; shouldn't be used on the name of a package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/**Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_**">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/**Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_**</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> package_from_SVN.3F&lt;<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Oh, so you want to keep it anyway in a corner. Sorry.
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 23 novembre 2011 00:14:31, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i meant that it's possible that other package require mysql in another
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; way than libmysqlclient.so
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+</I>&gt;<i> For thoses packages the prefer vendor list is enough (the one requiring
+</I>&gt;<i> directly mysqld/ mysql-client package)
+</I>&gt;<i> But for package pulling only the library (so the libmysqlclient.so,
+</I>&gt;<i> libmysqld.so or libmysqlservices.so ) how can we ensure that mysql won't be
+</I>&gt;<i> installed while pulling the libmysqlclient.so/libmysqld.so/etc from
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb &amp; vice et versa.
+</I>
+well those packages have strict versioned requirements on there own packages?
+worst case, i can perhaps extend the conflicts?
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+&gt;<i> &gt; if i'm adding lib64mysqldb18 and libmysqldb18 it should be better, no?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know that's why i'm asking :p
+</I>
+well, i don't know for sure too, so i'm gonna be asking around...
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+<PRE>On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Sandro CAZZANIGA
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh, so you want to keep it anyway in a corner. Sorry.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+No, I want to remove it completely because I imported it with the
+wrong name and just imported it again with the correct name (abuse-sdl
+instead of abuse_sdl). But indeed I can use svn rm, I didn't knew that
+any packager could do it. I just removed it, thanks for the tip.
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oh, so you want to keep it anyway in a corner. Sorry.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, I want to remove it completely because I imported it with the
+</I>&gt;<i> wrong name and just imported it again with the correct name (abuse-sdl
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of abuse_sdl). But indeed I can use svn rm, I didn't knew that
+</I>&gt;<i> any packager could do it. I just removed it, thanks for the tip.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Juancho
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well we talk about svn rm so.
+If you are a full-packager, you can do it yourself I think.
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+&gt;<i> kharec &lt;kharec&gt; 20111122-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 171180
+</I>&gt;<i> - Many new features with this new release 20111122
+</I>&gt;<i> --cette ligne, et les suivantes ci-dessous, seront ignor?\195?\169es--
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;M &#160; &#160;SPECS/parallel.spec
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+&quot;svn propedit svn:log --revprop -r171180&quot; is your friend...
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+&gt;<i> 2011/10/24 Anne nicolas&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some work to be done to clean this
+</I>&gt;<i> tried to update pino to clean this, but it fail and I don't have the
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge to fix it
+</I>&gt;<i> (I took the Fedora package)
+</I>&gt;<i> If someone can take care of it :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111024150623.philippem.valstar.22039/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111024150623.philippem.valstar.22039/</A>
+</I>Pino is dropped by openSUSE
+<A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=pino&amp;project=openSUSE%3ADropped">https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=pino&amp;project=openSUSE%3ADropped</A>
+contains a lot of unresolved bugs
+<A HREF="https://code.google.com/p/pino-twitter/issues/list">https://code.google.com/p/pino-twitter/issues/list</A> and seems
+under-maintained right now. Version 3.0 (hg snapshot) is still in
+development state.
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+So maybe wait for its better times?
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+&gt;<i> juancho &lt;juancho&gt; 1.1.5-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 169009
+</I>&gt;<i> - Uploaded sources for 1.1.5
+</I>&gt;<i> - Updated to 1.1.5
+</I>
+Please see this crash:
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+<PRE>2011/11/23 Kamil Rytarowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 24.10.2011 17:18, philippe makowski wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/10/24 Anne nicolas&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some work to be done to clean this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tried to update pino to clean this, but it fail and I don't have the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> knowledge to fix it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (I took the Fedora package)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If someone can take care of it :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111024150623.philippem.valstar.22039/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111024150623.philippem.valstar.22039/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pino is dropped by openSUSE
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=pino&amp;project=openSUSE%3ADropped">https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=pino&amp;project=openSUSE%3ADropped</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> contains a lot of unresolved bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://code.google.com/p/pino-twitter/issues/list">https://code.google.com/p/pino-twitter/issues/list</A> and seems
+</I>&gt;<i> under-maintained right now. Version 3.0 (hg snapshot) is still in
+</I>&gt;<i> development state.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So maybe wait for its better times?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>but it is provided under Fedora
+<A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=pino.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/f16">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=pino.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/f16</A>
+<A HREF="http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=9760">http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=9760</A>
+
+so why it don't build under Mageia 2 ?
+
+and the bad is that the pino 2.x version have a dependency on
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+<PRE>The problem is, why we are shipping a dead package?
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+2011/11/23 philippe makowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2011/11/23 Kamil Rytarowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 24.10.2011 17:18, philippe makowski wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/10/24 Anne nicolas&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some work to be done to clean this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tried to update pino to clean this, but it fail and I don't have the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> knowledge to fix it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (I took the Fedora package)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If someone can take care of it :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111024150623.philippem.valstar.22039/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111024150623.philippem.valstar.22039/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pino is dropped by openSUSE
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=pino&amp;project=openSUSE%3ADropped">https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=pino&amp;project=openSUSE%3ADropped</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contains a lot of unresolved bugs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://code.google.com/p/pino-twitter/issues/list">https://code.google.com/p/pino-twitter/issues/list</A> and seems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> under-maintained right now. Version 3.0 (hg snapshot) is still in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> development state.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So maybe wait for its better times?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but it is provided under Fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=pino.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/f16">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=pino.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/f16</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=9760">http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=9760</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so why it don't build under Mageia 2 ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and the bad is that the pino 2.x version have a dependency on
+</I>&gt;<i> libnotify.so.1 and libwebkit-1.0.so.2
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+&gt;<i> The problem is, why we are shipping a dead package?
+</I>Dead ?
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+<PRE>Am 23.11.2011 07:59, schrieb Sandro CAZZANIGA:
+&gt;<i> 2011/11/23 Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oh, so you want to keep it anyway in a corner. Sorry.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, I want to remove it completely because I imported it with the
+</I>&gt;<i> wrong name and just imported it again with the correct name (abuse-sdl
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of abuse_sdl). But indeed I can use svn rm, I didn't knew that
+</I>&gt;<i> any packager could do it. I just removed it, thanks for the tip.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Juancho
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well we talk about svn rm so.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are a full-packager, you can do it yourself I think.
+</I>IIRC you can also use svn rm as an apprentice ...
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+&gt;<i> The problem is, why we are shipping a dead package?
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+i agree that this seems to be the &quot;main&quot; question.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &gt; Oh, so you want to keep it anyway in a corner. Sorry.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &gt;
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; No, I want to remove it completely because I imported it with the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; wrong name and just imported it again with the correct name (abuse-sdl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; instead of abuse_sdl). But indeed I can use svn rm, I didn't knew that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; any packager could do it. I just removed it, thanks for the tip.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well we talk about svn rm so.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you are a full-packager, you can do it yourself I think.
+</I>&gt;<i> IIRC you can also use svn rm as an apprentice ...
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+&gt;<i> Dead ?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/">https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> not sure it is dead
+</I>
+Yes. I don't think we should be too hard with that. (Yes, bad english inside)
+If we start removing packages that are not top quality, this also means they
+will find less users, which are always potential contributors in open-source
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+</I>&gt;<i> I mean we can provide software with bugs if they are not created by packaging.
+</I>&gt;<i> Our main work is packaging, end users decide if software is usefull or not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Then you'll find some opposition to push some bugfixes release on update :p
+
+/me hides &amp; runs away
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I mean we can provide software with bugs if they are not created by packaging.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Our main work is packaging, end users decide if software is usefull or not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then you'll find some opposition to push some bugfixes release on update :p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /me hides &amp; runs away
+</I>
+we could add an unsupported medium...&gt; 2011/11/23 zezinho
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt;:
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+&gt;<i> On 23 November 2011 20:22, John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I mean we can provide software with bugs if they are not created by packaging.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Our main work is packaging, end users decide if software is usefull or not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then you'll find some opposition to push some bugfixes release on update :p
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /me hides &amp; runs away
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> we could add an unsupported medium...
+</I>The idea of a volatile medium (like the debian's one ) could be indeed
+interesting but if i'm not wrong we reject it earlier &amp; we did
+*enforce* the QA for our backport to provide a good experience for our
+42 users.
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+<PRE>On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 15:34, philippe makowski
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/11/23 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The problem is, why we are shipping a dead package?
+</I>&gt;<i> Dead ?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/">https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> not sure it is dead
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It is dead as in &quot;build errors reported 1 year ago have not been fixed
+yet even if the developer commits a few changes every few months and
+patches are available in the bug tracker&quot;.
+
+See <A HREF="https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/issue/17/build-error#comment-472096">https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/issue/17/build-error#comment-472096</A>
+for example or <A HREF="https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/issue/4/patch-for-some-more-ambiguous-reference">https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/issue/4/patch-for-some-more-ambiguous-reference</A>
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+The developper has been quite active when he started the project in
+september 2010, again at christmas last year, and spent a few hours on
+it every few months since...
+I would not expect a working release before a few years if it ever happens...
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 15:34, philippe makowski
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/23 Funda Wang&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The problem is, why we are shipping a dead package?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dead ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/">https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not sure it is dead
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is dead as in &quot;build errors reported 1 year ago have not been fixed
+</I>&gt;<i> yet even if the developer commits a few changes every few months and
+</I>&gt;<i> patches are available in the bug tracker&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See <A HREF="https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/issue/17/build-error#comment-472096">https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/issue/17/build-error#comment-472096</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> for example or <A HREF="https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/issue/4/patch-for-some-more-ambiguous-reference">https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/issue/4/patch-for-some-more-ambiguous-reference</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The developper has been quite active when he started the project in
+</I>&gt;<i> september 2010, again at christmas last year, and spent a few hours on
+</I>&gt;<i> it every few months since...
+</I>&gt;<i> I would not expect a working release before a few years if it ever happens...
+</I>There was a message about one year ago from a user: &quot;just compiled
+pino.3.....I am not a fan. its barely functional. missing my old light
+twitter client pino .2.11... &quot;, and the author replied &quot;What can I say?
+It is on the early stage of developing.&quot;
+Source <A HREF="http://pino-app.appspot.com/discussion">http://pino-app.appspot.com/discussion</A>
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+So I don't except a serious change in the code, maybe it would be better
+to provide pino2 and patch against newer libs. The newest Ubuntu
+provides it in the 2nd release.
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+As a maintainer of pastebin ( <A HREF="http://raphael.slinckx.net/files/">http://raphael.slinckx.net/files/</A> )my
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+I can maintain it, but I would like to know that someone it really
+needs. I don't see any rational reason to ship it - wgetpaste fully
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+In its place (or next to it) I've imported susepaste. It's well
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 22/11/11 07:55 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:~# bootloader-config --action rebuild-initrds
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> perl: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just as a random thought, is /etc/modprobe.preload.d/ a Mandriva-ism or
+</I>&gt;<i> is it more widely used? I know that in systemd they are now trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;standardise&quot; on using /etc/module-load.d/*.conf (this isn't the same as
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/modprobe.d/ but this seemed as related an email as possible to
+</I>&gt;<i> reply to about it!)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If so should we try and move anything in modprobe.preload.d to
+</I>&gt;<i> module-load.d and update tools accordingly, especially if some tweaks
+</I>&gt;<i> are needed to the below tools anyway.....
+</I>
+modprobe.preload.d is something I introduced back at Mandriva, since I
+did not find any equivalent in other distributions at the time.
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+Using /etc/modules-load.d (with a *s*) looks good, and the upgrade path
+should be just about moving files from /etc/modprobe.preload.d in a
+%trigger
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+Olivier Blin - blino
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+&gt;<i> Using /etc/modules-load.d (with a *s*) looks good, and the upgrade path
+</I>&gt;<i> should be just about moving files from /etc/modprobe.preload.d in a
+</I>&gt;<i> %trigger
+</I>
+As well as modifying drakxtools to cope with the new path, and adding a
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+Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit&#160;:
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+&gt;<i>On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 15:34, philippe makowski
+</I>&gt;<i>&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/23 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The problem is, why we are shipping a dead package?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dead ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/">https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not sure it is dead
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>It is dead as in &quot;build errors reported 1 year ago have not been fixed
+</I>
+Ok dead or nearly, no package maintainer, certainly alternatives (I don't know) so we can drop it
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+<PRE>Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a maintainer of pastebin ( <A HREF="http://raphael.slinckx.net/files/">http://raphael.slinckx.net/files/</A> )my
+</I>&gt;<i> proposition is to drop it, because:
+</I>&gt;<i> - it's redundand for better&amp;newer&amp;more featured wgetpaste
+</I>&gt;<i> - it doesn't seem to be updated upstream for years
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can maintain it, but I would like to know that someone it really
+</I>&gt;<i> needs. I don't see any rational reason to ship it - wgetpaste fully
+</I>&gt;<i> supercedes it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In its place (or next to it) I've imported susepaste. It's well
+</I>&gt;<i> supported upstream and also supports screenshot (of a single window or
+</I>&gt;<i> full-screen) paste feature.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>In general that sounds good.
+
+Being only a user of pastebins, I have some concerns about flexibility
+of the width. Normally when using a pastebin, one wants to make
+reference to another window. Having a pastebin with flexible width is a
+big plus. (Like the old wiki.)
+
+The reference you give redirects to dpaste.com, which wastes width on
+the large left margin, as well as the fixed width of the body.
+(dpaste.com is better than pastebin.com, which has a much larger fixed
+width.)
+
+A much better pastebin is Lodgit (paste.pocoo.org), which has small
+left/right margins, and fully flexible width.
+Another plus is a large number of file types. (Conveniently ranged in
+alphabetical order.)
+They list the software used for their site at
+<A HREF="http://paste.pocoo.org/about/">http://paste.pocoo.org/about/</A> (near the bottom of the page).
+
+I don't know how that compares to wgetpaste or susepaste, but thought
+you might like to consider it.
+
+Regards :)
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+-------- Originele bericht --------
+Onderwerp: [Mageia-discuss] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Call for stands, devroom
+talks and lightning talks
+Datum: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:52:57 +0100
+Van: Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rda at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Antwoord-naar: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Aan: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+Hi guys,
+
+FOSDEM is calling! (4-5 February, in Brussels, Belgium)
+
+And this will be the time:
+ - we meet Europe-wide (and more);
+ - we can handle a booth to demonstrate Mageia;
+ - lots of cool people and cool talks happen to happen;
+ - we hold our annual general assembly (with a moral and financial report);
+ - 1/3rd of the board is renewed - there are 6 board members, so that
+makes for 2 people to be elected among current Council members; see
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org#Mageia_Board">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org#Mageia_Board</A>
+ - council should be re-elected (that is, team leaders re-elected).
+
+So.
+ - who will be there? (I will)
+ - who would like to act there as a Mageia member? (booth, conference)
+ - what do we need?
+
+Romain
+
+---------- Message transf&#233;r&#233; ----------
+De : &quot;Mattias&amp;apos;Tias&amp;apos; Guns&quot;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mguns at fosdem.org</A>&gt;
+Date : 16 nov. 2011 10:53
+Objet : [FOSDEM] Call for stands, devroom talks and lightning talks
+&#192; : &quot;Fosdem Announce&quot;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fosdem at lists.fosdem.org</A>&gt;
+
+Dear Hackers,
+
+We hereby invite any and all open source projects to participate in
+FOSDEM 2012 by manning a stand for the weekend, by giving a talk in a
+devroom or by giving a 15 minute talk in our lightning talk room.
+
+See <A HREF="http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-participation">http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-participation</A>
+on how to submit proposals.
+
+
+* Manning a stand
+We offer open source projects a place for a stand in the hallways.
+Stands can be used to share information, demo software, sell
+merchandising, give away goodies and so forth.
+Stands allow projects to present themselves to the visitors in a more
+personal fashion.
+
+See <A HREF="http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-stands">http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-stands</A> for more details
+
+
+* Talking in a devroom
+We will be hosting 25 (!) different devrooms, covering a broader
+spectrum of the open source landscape than any year before.
+
+The accepted devrooms are: Ada -- BSD licensed operating systems --
+Configuration and Systems Management -- Cross Desktop -- Distribution
+Miniconf -- Embedded -- Free Java -- Graph Processing -- Hardware
+Security and Cryptography -- JBoss.org -- Legal Issues -- LibreOffice
+-- Mono -- Mozilla -- Multiserver -- microkernel-based operating
+systems -- MySQL and Friends -- Open Mobile Linux -- Open Source Game
+Development -- Open Source Telephony -- Open Source Virtualization and
+Cloud -- Perl -- PostgreSQL -- Smalltalk -- World of GNUstep -- X.org
+and OpenICC
+
+See <A HREF="http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-participation">http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-participation</A> for the list of
+announcements or contact <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">devrooms at fosdem.org</A> for a contact address.
+
+
+* Lightning talks
+We have a special lightning talk room for all remaining open source
+projects that do not fit in any of the devrooms.
+Lightning talks are short 15 minute focussed talks in which one person
+gets to present the project or an aspect of it.
+
+See <A HREF="http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-lightningtalks">http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-lightningtalks</A> for more details.
+
+
+FOSDEM is organized by and for the community, non-commercial and
+highly developer-oriented. Its goal is to provide Free and Open Source
+developers a place to meet.
+Now is the time to become part of it.
+
+The FOSDEM organizers.
+_______________________________________________
+FOSDEM mailing list
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">FOSDEM at lists.fosdem.org</A>
+<A HREF="https://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/fosdem">https://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/fosdem</A>
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+--
+Romain d'Alverny
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/">http://mageia.org/</A> board&amp; council member
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+<PRE>On 24.11.2011 00:36, andre999 wrote:
+&gt;<i> Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As a maintainer of pastebin ( <A HREF="http://raphael.slinckx.net/files/">http://raphael.slinckx.net/files/</A> )my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proposition is to drop it, because:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - it's redundand for better&amp;newer&amp;more featured wgetpaste
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - it doesn't seem to be updated upstream for years
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can maintain it, but I would like to know that someone it really
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needs. I don't see any rational reason to ship it - wgetpaste fully
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supercedes it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In its place (or next to it) I've imported susepaste. It's well
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supported upstream and also supports screenshot (of a single window
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or full-screen) paste feature.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In general that sounds good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Being only a user of pastebins, I have some concerns about flexibility
+</I>&gt;<i> of the width. Normally when using a pastebin, one wants to make
+</I>&gt;<i> reference to another window. Having a pastebin with flexible width is
+</I>&gt;<i> a big plus. (Like the old wiki.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The reference you give redirects to dpaste.com, which wastes width on
+</I>&gt;<i> the large left margin, as well as the fixed width of the body.
+</I>&gt;<i> (dpaste.com is better than pastebin.com, which has a much larger fixed
+</I>&gt;<i> width.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A much better pastebin is Lodgit (paste.pocoo.org), which has small
+</I>&gt;<i> left/right margins, and fully flexible width.
+</I>&gt;<i> Another plus is a large number of file types. (Conveniently ranged in
+</I>&gt;<i> alphabetical order.)
+</I>&gt;<i> They list the software used for their site at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://paste.pocoo.org/about/">http://paste.pocoo.org/about/</A> (near the bottom of the page).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thank you for your feedback!
+wgetpaste supports multiple pastebins, the result of the &quot;-S&quot; command is:
+$ wgetpaste -S
+Services supported: (case sensitive):
+ Name: | Url:
+ =========|=================
+ ca | <A HREF="http://pastebin.ca/">http://pastebin.ca/</A>
+ codepad | <A HREF="http://codepad.org/">http://codepad.org/</A>
+ dpaste | <A HREF="http://dpaste.com/">http://dpaste.com/</A>
+ osl | <A HREF="http://pastebin.osuosl.org/">http://pastebin.osuosl.org/</A>
+ *pocoo | <A HREF="http://paste.pocoo.org/">http://paste.pocoo.org/</A>
+
+And pastebin supports <A HREF="http://en.pastebin.ca/">http://en.pastebin.ca/</A>
+&gt;<i> I don't know how that compares to wgetpaste or susepaste, but thought
+</I>&gt;<i> you might like to consider it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'm not sure Fedora Paste or openSUSE Paste are better than the previous
+ones, but I would ship them (and I will maintain them), because of the
+constant support from the upstream.
+
++ the handy screenshot feature from openSUSE!
+&gt;<i> Regards :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>2011/11/24 Kamil Rytarowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> On 24.11.2011 00:36, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As a maintainer of pastebin ( <A HREF="http://raphael.slinckx.net/**files/&lt;http://raphael.slinckx.net/files/">http://raphael.slinckx.net/**files/&lt;http://raphael.slinckx.net/files/</A>&gt;)my proposition is to drop it, because:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - it's redundand for better&amp;newer&amp;more featured wgetpaste
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - it doesn't seem to be updated upstream for years
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I can maintain it, but I would like to know that someone it really
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> needs. I don't see any rational reason to ship it - wgetpaste fully
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> supercedes it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In its place (or next to it) I've imported susepaste. It's well
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> supported upstream and also supports screenshot (of a single window or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> full-screen) paste feature.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In general that sounds good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Being only a user of pastebins, I have some concerns about flexibility of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the width. Normally when using a pastebin, one wants to make reference to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> another window. Having a pastebin with flexible width is a big plus.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Like the old wiki.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The reference you give redirects to dpaste.com, which wastes width on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the large left margin, as well as the fixed width of the body.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (dpaste.com is better than pastebin.com, which has a much larger fixed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> width.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A much better pastebin is Lodgit (paste.pocoo.org), which has small
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> left/right margins, and fully flexible width.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Another plus is a large number of file types. (Conveniently ranged in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alphabetical order.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They list the software used for their site at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://paste.pocoo.org/about/">http://paste.pocoo.org/about/</A> (near the bottom of the page).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thank you for your feedback!
+</I>&gt;<i> wgetpaste supports multiple pastebins, the result of the &quot;-S&quot; command is:
+</I>&gt;<i> $ wgetpaste -S
+</I>&gt;<i> Services supported: (case sensitive):
+</I>&gt;<i> Name: | Url:
+</I>&gt;<i> =========|=================
+</I>&gt;<i> ca | <A HREF="http://pastebin.ca/">http://pastebin.ca/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> codepad | <A HREF="http://codepad.org/">http://codepad.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> dpaste | <A HREF="http://dpaste.com/">http://dpaste.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> osl | <A HREF="http://pastebin.osuosl.org/">http://pastebin.osuosl.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> *pocoo | <A HREF="http://paste.pocoo.org/">http://paste.pocoo.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And pastebin supports <A HREF="http://en.pastebin.ca/">http://en.pastebin.ca/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know how that compares to wgetpaste or susepaste, but thought you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> might like to consider it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not sure Fedora Paste or openSUSE Paste are better than the previous
+</I>&gt;<i> ones, but I would ship them (and I will maintain them), because of the
+</I>&gt;<i> constant support from the upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + the handy screenshot feature from openSUSE!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now we need pastebin.mageia.org :)
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+ you modified the spec file of ffmpeg :
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+disable x264 support as x264 is too old in mageia 1
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+This may induce a regression (a missing feature)
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+Why not to update libx264 before updating ffmpeg, and by this way allow
+to keep x264 support enabled ?
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+Is there a problem for other programs depending on libx264 if you update
+it ? (need to rebuild them ?)
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
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+<PRE>Yes, new x264 introduces new libmajor, which requires a mass
+rebuilding of other packages.
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+2011/11/24 Philippe DIDIER &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> To Funda :
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;you modified the spec file of ffmpeg :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> disable x264 support as x264 is too old in mageia 1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This may induce a regression (a missing feature)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not to update libx264 before updating ffmpeg, and by this way allow
+</I>&gt;<i> to keep x264 support enabled ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there a problem for other programs depending on libx264 if you update
+</I>&gt;<i> it ? (need to rebuild them ?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i> Philippe
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> Yes, new x264 introduces new libmajor, which requires a mass
+</I>&gt;<i> rebuilding of other packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Then the ffmpeg update must be fixed.
+
+Either only backport the needed fixes,
+or fix the build with current x264.
+
+It's not allowed to push updates that breaks/disables current features.
+
+This is _exactly_ why we have the policy to backport fixes and not
+blindly update to newer versions.
+
+--
+Thomas
+
+&gt;<i> 2011/11/24 Philippe DIDIER&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To Funda :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you modified the spec file of ffmpeg :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> disable x264 support as x264 is too old in mageia 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This may induce a regression (a missing feature)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why not to update libx264 before updating ffmpeg, and by this way allow
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to keep x264 support enabled ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there a problem for other programs depending on libx264 if you update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it ? (need to rebuild them ?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Philippe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> Yes, new x264 introduces new libmajor, which requires a mass
+</I>&gt;<i> rebuilding of other packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/11/24 Philippe DIDIER &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To Funda :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you modified the spec file of ffmpeg :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> disable x264 support as x264 is too old in mageia 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This may induce a regression (a missing feature)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why not to update libx264 before updating ffmpeg, and by this way allow
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to keep x264 support enabled ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there a problem for other programs depending on libx264 if you update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it ? (need to rebuild them ?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Philippe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>heavy dilemma ! heavy choice !
+- let ffmpeg not updated (with x264 support but with security problem)
+- update ffmpeg disabling x264 support
+- update ffmpeg keeping x264 support but need to rebuild mass of
+packages (not alone !!!!) and provide lots of updated rpms to QA !
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+&gt;<i> heavy dilemma ! heavy choice !
+</I>&gt;<i> - let ffmpeg not updated (with x264 support but with security problem)
+</I>
+The proper thing is to identify the needed fixes and backport them.
+
+&gt;<i> - update ffmpeg disabling x264 support
+</I>
+not an option
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+&gt;<i> - update ffmpeg keeping x264 support but need to rebuild mass of
+</I>&gt;<i> packages (not alone !!!!) and provide lots of updated rpms to QA !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Absolutely not an option
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+&gt;<i> And, we will rely on current maintainer &quot;nobody&quot; to take care of this bug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Don't be angry ... please !!!!!!!
+I know how much work you do for nobody's packages.
+I just pointed a little problem about the dilemma to which you found an
+answer that may be discussed and that may push someone to help you for
+the job (I am not skilled enough to help : can only tilt... sometimes
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+&gt;<i> The following package has to be removed for others to be upgraded:
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64cheese-gtk20-3.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;(due to missing libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
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+</I>&gt;<i> There appears to be only one files missing in action (MIA) -
+</I>&gt;<i> libclutter-glx
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this intended or should I wait a bit more??
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+&gt;<i> Philippe DIDIER skrev 24.11.2011 14:52:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> heavy dilemma ! heavy choice !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - let ffmpeg not updated (with x264 support but with security problem)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The proper thing is to identify the needed fixes and backport them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update ffmpeg disabling x264 support
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> not an option
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update ffmpeg keeping x264 support but need to rebuild mass of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages (not alone !!!!) and provide lots of updated rpms to QA !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Absolutely not an option
+</I>
+But how many packages are affected ?
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+ <B>Jerome Quelin</B>
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+&gt;<i> note that i don't understand why some scripts get installed with
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin/perl5.14.x shebang, while some other are installed with
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin/perl... maybe if we force -Dinstallusrbinperl in perl spec
+</I>&gt;<i> file? i need to try that...
+</I>
+and it doesn't seem to fix the problem. i therefore don't know why some
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+&gt;<i> Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And, we will rely on current maintainer &quot;nobody&quot; to take care of this bug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't be angry ... please !!!!!!!
+</I>&gt;<i> I know how much work you do for nobody's packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> I just pointed a little problem about the dilemma to which you found an
+</I>&gt;<i> answer that may be discussed and that may push someone to help you for
+</I>&gt;<i> the job (I am not skilled enough to help : can only tilt... sometimes
+</I>&gt;<i> wrongly !)
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>sorry for the mistake :
+this answer was sent on devel mail list where the discussion on ffmpeg
+began just before it goes ahead on bugs mailing list...
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+Now a day, when someone wants to install eclipse he has to answer to
+less than 17 package selection !
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+I can anderstand the 2 first (which jvm and javamail vs.
+classpathx-mail) but the next 15 are ant-* vs. ant17-* choices.
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+I was wondering: Is it temporary ?
+if not: do we expect that any user that want to use eclipse can
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+<PRE>Le 24/11/2011 21:43, Claire Revillet a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now a day, when someone wants to install eclipse he has to answer to
+</I>&gt;<i> less than 17 package selection !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>s/to less/not less/
+&gt;<i> I can anderstand the 2 first (which jvm and javamail vs.
+</I>&gt;<i> classpathx-mail) but the next 15 are ant-* vs. ant17-* choices.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was wondering: Is it temporary ?
+</I>&gt;<i> if not: do we expect that any user that want to use eclipse can
+</I>&gt;<i> understand those questions ?
+</I>&gt;<i> (personnaly, I was not installing eclipse for java use and I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> know the meaning of all those packages)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>
+And it seems there is some lines to suppress in different specfiles :)
+
+sorry for the french error messages (&quot;impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire&quot;
+== &quot;cannot create folder&quot;) :
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+ 62/64: eclipse-platform
+##########################################################################################################################
+cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le fichier standard
+&#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//artifacts.xml &#187;: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le lien symbolique
+&#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//eclipse.ini &#187;: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//p2 &#187;: Aucun
+fichier ou dossier de ce type
+cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire
+&#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//configuration &#187;: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+Eclipse:
+An error has occurred. See the log file
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+cp: impossible d'&#233;valuer &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//artifacts.xml &#187;: Aucun
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+cp: impossible d'&#233;valuer &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//eclipse.ini &#187;: Aucun
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+cp: impossible d'&#233;valuer &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//configuration &#187;: Aucun
+fichier ou dossier de ce type
+ 63/64: eclipse-jdt
+##########################################################################################################################
+cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le fichier standard
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+cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire
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+ 64/64: eclipse-pde
+##########################################################################################################################
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+<PRE>On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 20:58, Dick Gevers &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dvgevers at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:04:56 +0100, Romain d'Alverny wrote about Re:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So please see <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1</A> as the canvas
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and update as you see fit.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>Ping?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>Alpha 1 release is in 3 days, and it cannot go outside without this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>info available. And you guys know what to say there.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Till now qa recorded all in <A HREF="http://piratepad.net/owkBzzoJId">http://piratepad.net/owkBzzoJId</A>
+</I>
+Thanks. Well, this is cool for QA, but difficult to summarize as such
+for release notes by an outsider.
+
+Release notes are in this shape at this time:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1#Major_new_features">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1#Major_new_features</A> - and
+this directly shapes the release announcement (to be managed by
+Patricia). At this time, that means we have near to nothing to say...
+although there are quite some changes.
+
+Are we to push the ISOs online tomorrow, without a status of what's
+new (packaging team?) and without a public plan for tests &amp; technical
+review (QA team?) and without a drafted roadmap for the big items to
+work on for the next alpha? (and without an announcement)
+
+Anne and me will manage the download links, for all the rest, insiders
+summarized input is more than welcome for their own part.
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+Ahoy!
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+&gt;<i> Now we need pastebin.mageia.org :)
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+Well, if you are ready to maintain it, just submit a patch to the puppet
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Philippe DIDIER skrev 24.11.2011 14:52:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - update ffmpeg keeping x264 support but need to rebuild mass of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages (not alone !!!!) and provide lots of updated rpms to QA !
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> Absolutely not an option
+</I>
+&gt;<i> But how many packages are affected ?
+</I>
+urpmq --whatrequires-recursive ffmpeg|sort -u
+2mandvd
+clipgrab
+ffmpeg
+ffmpegthumbs
+kdenlive
+kino
+kino-devel
+kmediafactory
+konvertible
+luciole
+mythtv-plugin-archive
+
+Might be worth considering, depending on how difficult it is
+to port the security patch back to the current version.
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Philippe DIDIER skrev 24.11.2011 14:52:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> heavy dilemma ! heavy choice !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - let ffmpeg not updated (with x264 support but with security problem)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The proper thing is to identify the needed fixes and backport them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - update ffmpeg disabling x264 support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not an option
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - update ffmpeg keeping x264 support but need to rebuild mass of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages (not alone !!!!) and provide lots of updated rpms to QA !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Absolutely not an option
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But how many packages are affected ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+BTW, if you look at
+<A HREF="http://git.videolan.org/?p=ffmpeg.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/release/0.7">http://git.videolan.org/?p=ffmpeg.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/release/0.7</A>
+
+you'll notice the the security issues mentioned here are just a tip of
+the iceberg, since there are hundreds of commits fixing buffer overflows
+and other similar issues in various codecs in the 0.7 stable branch alone.
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+like it. Only changed font sizes.
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+Chasing another bug (a strange character trailing Mozilla Firefox window title...)
+I tried to change window title font, and GS ignored me. I could not change even
+the size. Other changes in gnome-tweak-tool are accepted immediately.
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+&gt;<i> Le 24/11/2011 21:43, Claire Revillet a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now a day, when someone wants to install eclipse he has to answer to less
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> than 17 package selection !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> s/to less/not less/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can anderstand the 2 first (which jvm and javamail vs. classpathx-mail)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but the next 15 are ant-* vs. ant17-* choices.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was wondering: Is it temporary ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if not: do we expect that any user that want to use eclipse can understand
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> those questions ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (personnaly, I was not installing eclipse for java use and I don't know
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the meaning of all those packages)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And it seems there is some lines to suppress in different specfiles :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sorry for the french error messages (&quot;impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire&quot; ==
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;cannot create folder&quot;) :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;62/64: eclipse-platform
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;##########################################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le fichier standard &#171;
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//artifacts.xml &#187;: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le lien symbolique &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//eclipse.ini
+</I>&gt;<i> &#187;: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//p2 &#187;: Aucun
+</I>&gt;<i> fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//configuration &#187;:
+</I>&gt;<i> Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> Eclipse:
+</I>&gt;<i> An error has occurred. See the log file
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/eclipse/configuration/1322167734873.log.
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible d'&#233;valuer &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//artifacts.xml &#187;: Aucun
+</I>&gt;<i> fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible d'&#233;valuer &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//eclipse.ini &#187;: Aucun fichier
+</I>&gt;<i> ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible d'&#233;valuer &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//p2 &#187;: Aucun fichier ou
+</I>&gt;<i> dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible d'&#233;valuer &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//configuration &#187;: Aucun
+</I>&gt;<i> fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;63/64: eclipse-jdt
+</I>&gt;<i> ##########################################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le fichier standard &#171;
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//artifacts.xml &#187;: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le lien symbolique &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//eclipse.ini
+</I>&gt;<i> &#187;: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//p2 &#187;: Aucun
+</I>&gt;<i> fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//configuration &#187;:
+</I>&gt;<i> Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;64/64: eclipse-pde
+</I>&gt;<i> ##########################################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le fichier standard &#171;
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//artifacts.xml &#187;: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le lien symbolique &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//eclipse.ini
+</I>&gt;<i> &#187;: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//p2 &#187;: Aucun
+</I>&gt;<i> fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//configuration &#187;:
+</I>&gt;<i> Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>
+seems my apprentice had some pbs with this. I will take a look and fix this ASAP
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+<PRE>2011/11/24 Claire Revillet &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">grenoya at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le 24/11/2011 21:43, Claire Revillet a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now a day, when someone wants to install eclipse he has to answer to less
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> than 17 package selection !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> s/to less/not less/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can anderstand the 2 first (which jvm and javamail vs. classpathx-mail)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but the next 15 are ant-* vs. ant17-* choices.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was wondering: Is it temporary ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if not: do we expect that any user that want to use eclipse can understand
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> those questions ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (personnaly, I was not installing eclipse for java use and I don't know
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the meaning of all those packages)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And it seems there is some lines to suppress in different specfiles :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sorry for the french error messages (&quot;impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire&quot; ==
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;cannot create folder&quot;) :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;62/64: eclipse-platform
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;##########################################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le fichier standard &#171;
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//artifacts.xml &#187;: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le lien symbolique &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//eclipse.ini
+</I>&gt;<i> &#187;: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//p2 &#187;: Aucun
+</I>&gt;<i> fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//configuration &#187;:
+</I>&gt;<i> Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> Eclipse:
+</I>&gt;<i> An error has occurred. See the log file
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/eclipse/configuration/1322167734873.log.
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible d'&#233;valuer &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//artifacts.xml &#187;: Aucun
+</I>&gt;<i> fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible d'&#233;valuer &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//eclipse.ini &#187;: Aucun fichier
+</I>&gt;<i> ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible d'&#233;valuer &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//p2 &#187;: Aucun fichier ou
+</I>&gt;<i> dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible d'&#233;valuer &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//configuration &#187;: Aucun
+</I>&gt;<i> fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;63/64: eclipse-jdt
+</I>&gt;<i> ##########################################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le fichier standard &#171;
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//artifacts.xml &#187;: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le lien symbolique &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//eclipse.ini
+</I>&gt;<i> &#187;: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//p2 &#187;: Aucun
+</I>&gt;<i> fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//configuration &#187;:
+</I>&gt;<i> Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;64/64: eclipse-pde
+</I>&gt;<i> ##########################################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le fichier standard &#171;
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//artifacts.xml &#187;: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le lien symbolique &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//eclipse.ini
+</I>&gt;<i> &#187;: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//p2 &#187;: Aucun
+</I>&gt;<i> fichier ou dossier de ce type
+</I>&gt;<i> cp: impossible de cr&#233;er le r&#233;pertoire &#171; /home/iurt/rpm/tmp//configuration &#187;:
+</I>&gt;<i> Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
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+Please test next eclipse rpm.
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+<PRE>On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Claire Revillet &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">grenoya at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now a day, when someone wants to install eclipse he has to answer to less
+</I>&gt;<i> than 17 package selection !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can anderstand the 2 first (which jvm and javamail vs. classpathx-mail)
+</I>&gt;<i> but the next 15 are ant-* vs. ant17-* choices.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was wondering: Is it temporary ?
+</I>&gt;<i> if not: do we expect that any user that want to use eclipse can understand
+</I>&gt;<i> those questions ?
+</I>&gt;<i> (personnaly, I was not installing eclipse for java use and I don't know the
+</I>&gt;<i> meaning of all those packages)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Gil can you look to fix this issue ? this is a really important pb.
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+<PRE>Hello,
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+Currently, we are selecting oxygen as default theme for whole distro,
+but oxygen-gtk3 is too unstable, nor seems to be actively maintained.
+Maybe we should change default theme for gtk3 applications, the same
+as upstream? Especially considering we will providing gtk3 as one
+major choice of applications in mageia 2?
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+Fedora has had one for quite a while.
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+On 11/24/2011 08:30 PM, D.Morgan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Claire Revillet &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">grenoya at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now a day, when someone wants to install eclipse he has to answer to less
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> than 17 package selection !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can anderstand the 2 first (which jvm and javamail vs. classpathx-mail)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but the next 15 are ant-* vs. ant17-* choices.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was wondering: Is it temporary ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if not: do we expect that any user that want to use eclipse can understand
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> those questions ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (personnaly, I was not installing eclipse for java use and I don't know the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> meaning of all those packages)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Gil can you look to fix this issue ? this is a really important pb.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This is what I do: Go to Eclipse.org and download the version of your
+choice to your home directory. They are all stand alone programs and
+work fine. I have 4 different versions installed.
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+I tried to send this via email to you directly, but your overly tight
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+to me didn't work.
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+It's nice that you sign your posts, but I can't find your public key
+online anywhere to check it. Perhaps you can point me to it or upload it
+to a keyserver? Without it there is little point in signing messages to
+public lists I guess.
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+Thanks,
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+On 11/24/2011 09:42 PM, Remco Rijnders wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi Duane,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried to send this via email to you directly, but your overly tight
+</I>&gt;<i> spamfilter blocked my message and jumping through the hoops it presented
+</I>&gt;<i> to me didn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's nice that you sign your posts, but I can't find your public key
+</I>&gt;<i> online anywhere to check it. Perhaps you can point me to it or upload it
+</I>&gt;<i> to a keyserver? Without it there is little point in signing messages to
+</I>&gt;<i> public lists I guess.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remco
+</I>
+There is a point: If an email appears on the list from me which has not
+been signed its not from me which has happened in the past.
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+On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:20:46 -0500, Duane Phinney &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">genomega at earthlink.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> There is a point: If an email appears on the list from me which has not
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+</I>
+If the public key is not made available, no one can tell if you signed
+the message, or if someone copied the pgp sig from some other message,
+ from you.
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+On 11/24/2011 10:46 PM, David W. Hodgins wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:20:46 -0500, Duane Phinney
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">genomega at earthlink.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is a point: If an email appears on the list from me which has not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> been signed its not from me which has happened in the past.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the public key is not made available, no one can tell if you signed
+</I>&gt;<i> the message, or if someone copied the pgp sig from some other message,
+</I>&gt;<i> from you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>If you are looking for a fight look elseware. Over and out.
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+<PRE>hi, it seems that we have a little problem with the last updates of KDE
+components...
+
+# urpmi --auto-up
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+<A HREF="http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info/20111125-062623-synthesis.hdlist.cz">http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info/20111125-062623-synthesis.hdlist.cz</A>
+m&#233;dia &#171; Core Release &#187; mis &#224;
+jour
+le m&#233;dia &#171; Core Updates &#187; est &#224; jour
+le m&#233;dia &#171; Nonfree Release &#187; est &#224; jour
+le m&#233;dia &#171; Nonfree Updates &#187; est &#224; jour
+le m&#233;dia &#171; Tainted Release &#187; est &#224; jour
+le m&#233;dia &#171; Tainted Updates &#187; est &#224; jour
+Pour satisfaire les d&#233;pendances, les paquetages suivants vont &#234;tre
+install&#233;s :
+ Paquetage Version R&#233;vision Arch
+(m&#233;dia &#171; Core Release &#187;)
+ curl 7.23.1 2.mga2 i586
+ kactivitymanagerd 6.1 0.mga2 i586
+ kdebase4-runtime 4.7.3 2.mga2 i586
+ libaudit-devel 2.1.3 1.mga2 i586
+ libaudit1 2.1.3 1.mga2 i586
+ libauparse0 2.1.3 1.mga2 i586
+ libcurl-devel 7.23.1 2.mga2 i586
+ libcurl4 7.23.1 2.mga2 i586
+ libkdefakes5 4.7.3 3.mga2 i586
+ libkprintutils4 4.7.3 3.mga2 i586
+ libkpty4 4.7.3 3.mga2 i586
+ libkunittest4 4.7.3 3.mga2 i586
+ libnepomuksync4 4.7.3 2.mga2 i586
+un espace de 365Ko sera lib&#233;r&#233;.
+6.8Mo de paquets seront r&#233;cup&#233;r&#233;s.
+Proc&#233;der &#224; l'installation des 13 paquetages ? (O/n)
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+
+installation de libaudit-devel-2.1.3-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586.rpm libauparse0-2.1.3-1.mga2.i586.rpm
+libaudit1-2.1.3-1.mga2.i586.rpm libkpty4-4.7.3-3.mga2.i586.rpm
+libkprintutils4-4.7.3-3.mga2.i586.rpm libkunittest4-4.7.3-3.mga2.i586.rpm
+libkdefakes5-4.7.3-3.mga2.i586.rpm depuis /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+Pr&#233;paration ...
+#############################################
+
+
+installation de libnepomuksync4-4.7.3-2.mga2.i586.rpm
+kdebase4-runtime-4.7.3-2.mga2.i586.rpm libcurl4-7.23.1-2.mga2.i586.rpm
+curl-7.23.1-2.mga2.i586.rpm libcurl-devel-7.23.1-2.mga2.i586.rpm depuis
+/var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+L'installation a &#233;chou&#233; : le fichier /usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd de
+l'installation de kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586 entre en conflit avec
+le fichier du paquetage kdebase4-runtime-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.i586
+ le fichier /usr/share/kde4/services/kactivitymanagerd.desktop de
+l'installation de kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586 entre en conflit avec
+le fichier du paquetage kdebase4-runtime-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.i586
+ kactivitymanagerd est n&#233;cessaire pour
+kdebase4-runtime-1:4.7.3-2.mga2.i586
+# urpmi kactivitymanagerd
+Marque kactivitymanagerd comme &#233;tant manuellement install&#233;, il ne sera pas
+consid&#233;r&#233; comme un paquet orphelin
+writing /var/lib/rpm/installed-through-deps.list
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+installation de kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586.rpm depuis
+/var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+Pr&#233;paration ...
+#############################################
+L'installation a &#233;chou&#233; : le fichier /usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd de
+l'installation de kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586 entre en conflit avec
+le fichier du paquetage kdebase4-runtime-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.i586
+ le fichier /usr/share/kde4/services/kactivitymanagerd.desktop de
+l'installation de kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586 entre en conflit avec
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i> hi, it seems that we have a little problem with the last updates of KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> components...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>In the GUI, you can skip these 2 packages temporarily, after
+
+other packages are updated, these 2 can be updated.
+
+----
+I got no idea why, but maybe the underlying algorithm solving
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 25 november 2011 06:04:15 schreef Duane Phinney:
+&gt;<i> On 11/24/2011 10:46 PM, David W. Hodgins wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:20:46 -0500, Duane Phinney
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">genomega at earthlink.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; There is a point: If an email appears on the list from me which has not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; been signed its not from me which has happened in the past.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If the public key is not made available, no one can tell if you signed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the message, or if someone copied the pgp sig from some other message,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from you.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are looking for a fight look elseware. Over and out.
+</I>
+I don't think he's looking for a fight.
+
+I think they are just trying to verify that you is really you. PGP is
+public/private key signing and usually one gives out the public key so that
+people can use the public key to verify messages signed with the private key.
+
+After all, people can even send email apparently from your email address and
+even pgp sign it with their own key. Then we have 2 messages from you but
+signed with different keys and no way of knowing which one would be real or
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+&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 1:4.7.3-2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 171772
+</I>&gt;<i> - Add kactivitymanagerd as requires (binary split out of kde-runtime now)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Add patch200 to fix build ( libkactivities is a standalone package)
+</I>
+when you split some files out in a new subpackge, you _MUST_ add
+a conflict tag in order to ensure the packages ended in the same transaction
+else you get file conflicts on upgrade:
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+Installation failed: file /usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd from
+install of kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file
+from package kdebase4-runtime-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/share/kde4/services/kactivitymanagerd.desktop from
+install of kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file
+from package kdebase4-runtime-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.x86_64
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 25 novembre 2011 09:26:14 Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 25 November 2011 02:09, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 1:4.7.3-2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 171772
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Add kactivitymanagerd as requires (binary split out of kde-runtime
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; now)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Add patch200 to fix build ( libkactivities is a standalone package)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> when you split some files out in a new subpackge, you _MUST_ add
+</I>&gt;<i> a conflict tag in order to ensure the packages ended in the same transaction
+</I>&gt;<i> else you get file conflicts on upgrade:
+</I>[...]
+Well the conflict was of course added (since i expected this one) ... however i
+missed the epoch tag ...
+It should be fixed with the next libactivities package.
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+&gt;<i> hi, it seems that we have a little problem with the last updates of KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> components...
+</I>[...]
+I missed the epoch value when i added the conflicts.
+Should be fixed with the next libkactivities package.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Funda Wang at 25/11/11 02:39 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Currently, we are selecting oxygen as default theme for whole distro,
+</I>&gt;<i> but oxygen-gtk3 is too unstable, nor seems to be actively maintained.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we should change default theme for gtk3 applications, the same
+</I>&gt;<i> as upstream? Especially considering we will providing gtk3 as one
+</I>&gt;<i> major choice of applications in mageia 2?
+</I>
+Yeah certainly in gnome3 this now looks really nasty now. The default
+upstream choice was much nicer.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magallon at 25/11/11 00:01 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I have just noticed that GnomeShell is doing strange things wrt windows
+</I>&gt;<i> decorations. I've had always used the default Adwaita theme, I just
+</I>&gt;<i> like it. Only changed font sizes.
+</I>
+Yup noticed too. Likely to do with the oxygen theme?
+
+&gt;<i> Chasing another bug (a strange character trailing Mozilla Firefox window title...)
+</I>
+I don't see this bug. We did used to have it a long time back, but I'm
+pretty sure we patched it out the way (it was a fedora patch IIRC) Not
+sure if it's in the firefox package or in gnome tho'.
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+&gt;<i> It looks like something is forcing the settings for window decorations in
+</I>&gt;<i> GnomeShell.
+</I>
+Like I say I reckon it's to do with oxygen theme
+
+Col
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+<PRE>David W. Hodgins skrev 25.11.2011 01:21:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:53:07 -0500, D.Morgan&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Thomas Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Philippe DIDIER skrev 24.11.2011 14:52:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - update ffmpeg keeping x264 support but need to rebuild mass of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages (not alone !!!!) and provide lots of updated rpms to QA !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Absolutely not an option
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But how many packages are affected ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmq --whatrequires-recursive ffmpeg|sort -u
+</I>&gt;<i> 2mandvd
+</I>&gt;<i> clipgrab
+</I>&gt;<i> ffmpeg
+</I>&gt;<i> ffmpegthumbs
+</I>&gt;<i> kdenlive
+</I>&gt;<i> kino
+</I>&gt;<i> kino-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> kmediafactory
+</I>&gt;<i> konvertible
+</I>&gt;<i> luciole
+</I>&gt;<i> mythtv-plugin-archive
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Might be worth considering, depending on how difficult it is
+</I>&gt;<i> to port the security patch back to the current version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+As I pointed out in the bugreport, there are 5 simple patches to apply.
+
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+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, if you look at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://git.videolan.org/?p=ffmpeg.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/release/0.7">http://git.videolan.org/?p=ffmpeg.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/release/0.7</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you'll notice the the security issues mentioned here are just a tip of
+</I>&gt;<i> the iceberg, since there are hundreds of commits fixing buffer overflows
+</I>&gt;<i> and other similar issues in various codecs in the 0.7 stable branch alone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+True. But many of the bugs they fix could also have been introduced in
+the 0.7 branch.
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Funda Wang at 25/11/11 02:39 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Currently, we are selecting oxygen as default theme for whole distro,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but oxygen-gtk3 is too unstable, nor seems to be actively maintained.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we should change default theme for gtk3 applications, the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as upstream? Especially considering we will providing gtk3 as one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> major choice of applications in mageia 2?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah certainly in gnome3 this now looks really nasty now. The default
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream choice was much nicer.
+</I>
+Oxygen theme is intended to replace Ia_Ora one as it's a big work to
+maintain our own theme. BTW it needed to be renewed. Oxygen is for now
+the only one available under gtk and qt apps and gives consistancy
+between both kind of apps.
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+Oxygen is actively maintained and one of the maintainers is using
+Mageia. So we still have bugs inside that should be fixed soon.
+
+Finally oxygen-gtk3 is now upstream so it should help a lot also for
+long term maintainance
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magallon at 25/11/11 00:01 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have just noticed that GnomeShell is doing strange things wrt windows
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> decorations. I've had always used the default Adwaita theme, I just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> like it. Only changed font sizes.
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup noticed too. Likely to do with the oxygen theme?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Chasing another bug (a strange character trailing Mozilla Firefox window title...)
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't see this bug. We did used to have it a long time back, but I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> pretty sure we patched it out the way (it was a fedora patch IIRC) Not
+</I>&gt;<i> sure if it's in the firefox package or in gnome tho'.
+</I>It was in firefox, and AFAIK only in firefox, it's this patch:
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/firefox-5.0-asciidel.patch?view=log">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/firefox-5.0-asciidel.patch?view=log</A>
+Maybe outdated firefox? You should be on 8.x for cauldron,
+and this has been fixed since firefox-5.0.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It looks like something is forcing the settings for window decorations in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> GnomeShell.
+</I>&gt;<i> Like I say I reckon it's to do with oxygen theme
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
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+On 2011.11.25, at 12:27, Florian Hubold wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Am 25.11.2011 10:12, schrieb Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magallon at 25/11/11 00:01 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I have just noticed that GnomeShell is doing strange things wrt windows
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> decorations. I've had always used the default Adwaita theme, I just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> like it. Only changed font sizes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yup noticed too. Likely to do with the oxygen theme?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Chasing another bug (a strange character trailing Mozilla Firefox window title...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't see this bug. We did used to have it a long time back, but I'm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pretty sure we patched it out the way (it was a fedora patch IIRC) Not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure if it's in the firefox package or in gnome tho'.
+</I>&gt;<i> It was in firefox, and AFAIK only in firefox, it's this patch:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/firefox-5.0-asciidel.patch?view=log">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/firefox-5.0-asciidel.patch?view=log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe outdated firefox? You should be on 8.x for cauldron,
+</I>&gt;<i> and this has been fixed since firefox-5.0.
+</I>
+Sorry for the noise, I am talking about ff 9.0b2. I will check if ff-8 shows
+the bug, probably not, and just is the beta which is missing the patch...
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It looks like something is forcing the settings for window decorations in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> GnomeShell.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Like I say I reckon it's to do with oxygen theme
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anne nicolas at 25/11/11 10:54 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 25/11/2011 10:10, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Funda Wang at 25/11/11 02:39 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Currently, we are selecting oxygen as default theme for whole distro,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but oxygen-gtk3 is too unstable, nor seems to be actively maintained.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we should change default theme for gtk3 applications, the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as upstream? Especially considering we will providing gtk3 as one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> major choice of applications in mageia 2?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah certainly in gnome3 this now looks really nasty now. The default
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upstream choice was much nicer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oxygen theme is intended to replace Ia_Ora one as it's a big work to
+</I>&gt;<i> maintain our own theme. BTW it needed to be renewed. Oxygen is for now
+</I>&gt;<i> the only one available under gtk and qt apps and gives consistancy
+</I>&gt;<i> between both kind of apps.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oxygen is actively maintained and one of the maintainers is using
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia. So we still have bugs inside that should be fixed soon.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Finally oxygen-gtk3 is now upstream so it should help a lot also for
+</I>&gt;<i> long term maintainance
+</I>
+Perhaps it's a different issue then, but Gnome-Shell today looks ugly
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+I'm all for dropping Ia-Ora but with this side effect Gnome-Shell looks
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 25/11/11 12:19 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne nicolas at 25/11/11 10:54 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 25/11/2011 10:10, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Funda Wang at 25/11/11 02:39 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Currently, we are selecting oxygen as default theme for whole distro,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but oxygen-gtk3 is too unstable, nor seems to be actively maintained.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we should change default theme for gtk3 applications, the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as upstream? Especially considering we will providing gtk3 as one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> major choice of applications in mageia 2?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah certainly in gnome3 this now looks really nasty now. The default
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upstream choice was much nicer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oxygen theme is intended to replace Ia_Ora one as it's a big work to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintain our own theme. BTW it needed to be renewed. Oxygen is for now
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the only one available under gtk and qt apps and gives consistancy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> between both kind of apps.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oxygen is actively maintained and one of the maintainers is using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia. So we still have bugs inside that should be fixed soon.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Finally oxygen-gtk3 is now upstream so it should help a lot also for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> long term maintainance
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps it's a different issue then, but Gnome-Shell today looks ugly
+</I>&gt;<i> due to the theme no longer reflecting the Adwaita theme it was using
+</I>&gt;<i> before... Ia-Ora was not used in there before and thus Gnome-Shell
+</I>&gt;<i> looked fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm all for dropping Ia-Ora but with this side effect Gnome-Shell looks
+</I>&gt;<i> really bad. Sadly I guess the Alpha will ship like this :(
+</I>
+I guess it's something different to the gtk3 theme.... Will try and work
+out the cause.
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+On 2011.11.25, at 13:26, Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 25/11/11 12:19 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne nicolas at 25/11/11 10:54 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 25/11/2011 10:10, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Funda Wang at 25/11/11 02:39 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Currently, we are selecting oxygen as default theme for whole distro,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but oxygen-gtk3 is too unstable, nor seems to be actively maintained.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we should change default theme for gtk3 applications, the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as upstream? Especially considering we will providing gtk3 as one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> major choice of applications in mageia 2?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah certainly in gnome3 this now looks really nasty now. The default
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upstream choice was much nicer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Oxygen theme is intended to replace Ia_Ora one as it's a big work to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> maintain our own theme. BTW it needed to be renewed. Oxygen is for now
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the only one available under gtk and qt apps and gives consistancy
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> between both kind of apps.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Oxygen is actively maintained and one of the maintainers is using
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia. So we still have bugs inside that should be fixed soon.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Finally oxygen-gtk3 is now upstream so it should help a lot also for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> long term maintainance
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Perhaps it's a different issue then, but Gnome-Shell today looks ugly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> due to the theme no longer reflecting the Adwaita theme it was using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before... Ia-Ora was not used in there before and thus Gnome-Shell
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> looked fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm all for dropping Ia-Ora but with this side effect Gnome-Shell looks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> really bad. Sadly I guess the Alpha will ship like this :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess it's something different to the gtk3 theme.... Will try and work
+</I>&gt;<i> out the cause.
+</I>
+I detected a message in .xsession-errors about searching themw &quot;Clearlooks&quot;
+or something like that, greppped in my home for it and found in
+.config/dconf/user.
+
+I removed .config/dconf, and theme is back to normal (apart from loosing a
+lot of prefs), but now I can not set the focus to &quot;sloppy&quot; in tweak tool.
+More precisely, I can set it but is ignored...
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 25/11/11 12:26 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 25/11/11 12:19 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne nicolas at 25/11/11 10:54 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 25/11/2011 10:10, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Funda Wang at 25/11/11 02:39 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Currently, we are selecting oxygen as default theme for whole distro,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but oxygen-gtk3 is too unstable, nor seems to be actively maintained.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we should change default theme for gtk3 applications, the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as upstream? Especially considering we will providing gtk3 as one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> major choice of applications in mageia 2?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah certainly in gnome3 this now looks really nasty now. The default
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upstream choice was much nicer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Oxygen theme is intended to replace Ia_Ora one as it's a big work to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> maintain our own theme. BTW it needed to be renewed. Oxygen is for now
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the only one available under gtk and qt apps and gives consistancy
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> between both kind of apps.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Oxygen is actively maintained and one of the maintainers is using
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia. So we still have bugs inside that should be fixed soon.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Finally oxygen-gtk3 is now upstream so it should help a lot also for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> long term maintainance
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Perhaps it's a different issue then, but Gnome-Shell today looks ugly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> due to the theme no longer reflecting the Adwaita theme it was using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before... Ia-Ora was not used in there before and thus Gnome-Shell
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> looked fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm all for dropping Ia-Ora but with this side effect Gnome-Shell looks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> really bad. Sadly I guess the Alpha will ship like this :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess it's something different to the gtk3 theme.... Will try and work
+</I>&gt;<i> out the cause.
+</I>
+OK, so it seems that gnome-shell inherits the theme from Metacity and
+thus automatically gets Oxygenised.
+
+It can be fixed by:
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+gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences theme 'Adwaita'
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+But I think we need to re-assess how using the oxygen theme everywhere
+affects the gnome3 experience.
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> Hi all...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have just noticed that GnomeShell is doing strange things wrt windows
+</I>&gt;<i> decorations. I've had always used the default Adwaita theme, I just
+</I>&gt;<i> like it. Only changed font sizes.
+</I>
+gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences theme 'Adwaita'
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+It seems that gnome-shell now inherits things from metacity settings (it
+used to be separate) and thus it's getting oxygen theme by default.
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+You can override it via the above command, but I think we need to do
+some integration testing with oxygen theme to prevent this happening.
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+Col
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 25/11/11 14:17 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magallon at 25/11/11 00:01 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have just noticed that GnomeShell is doing strange things wrt windows
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> decorations. I've had always used the default Adwaita theme, I just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> like it. Only changed font sizes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences theme 'Adwaita'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems that gnome-shell now inherits things from metacity settings (it
+</I>&gt;<i> used to be separate) and thus it's getting oxygen theme by default.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can override it via the above command, but I think we need to do
+</I>&gt;<i> some integration testing with oxygen theme to prevent this happening.
+</I>
+Thinking about this, it's perhaps not really an issue with Oxygen at
+all. It's maybe just that gnome now migrates settings better from gconf
+and it perhaps picked up some old data on my install.
+
+I'd need to do a fresh install to be sure.
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 01:01:53AM +0100, JA Magallon wrote:
+&gt;<i> I have just noticed that GnomeShell is doing strange things wrt windows
+</I>&gt;<i> decorations. I've had always used the default Adwaita theme, I just
+</I>&gt;<i> like it. Only changed font sizes.
+</I>
+In GNOME 3.3.x, mutter+gnome-shell+metacity have been ported to use
+gsettings. Various things have changed. See
+<A HREF="http://blogs.gnome.org/fmuellner/2011/11/22/gnome-shell-gsettings-and-keybindings/">http://blogs.gnome.org/fmuellner/2011/11/22/gnome-shell-gsettings-and-keybindings/</A>
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+&gt;<i> usually one gives out the public key so that
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+There are two ways of doing this. upload to ones website, and send it to a keyserver. I do both.
+And it doesn't hurt to have friends and other persons you know sign the key. That way it's more authentic and people who don't know you but know or trust one or more of the persons who signed your key, is more likely to trust your key rather that another fake key.
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+&gt;<i> I removed .config/dconf, and theme is back to normal (apart from loosing a
+</I>&gt;<i> lot of prefs), but now I can not set the focus to &quot;sloppy&quot; in tweak tool.
+</I>&gt;<i> More precisely, I can set it but is ignored...
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+&gt;<i> But I think we need to re-assess how using the oxygen theme everywhere
+</I>&gt;<i> affects the gnome3 experience.
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+Agree. We should use the standard theme going forward. Especially for
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+Mageia 2 alpha 1 is finally available on public mirrors. Thanks
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+&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 25.11.2011 01:40:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, if you look at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://git.videolan.org/?p=ffmpeg.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/release/0.7">http://git.videolan.org/?p=ffmpeg.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/release/0.7</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you'll notice the the security issues mentioned here are just a tip of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the iceberg, since there are hundreds of commits fixing buffer overflows
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and other similar issues in various codecs in the 0.7 stable branch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alone.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> True. But many of the bugs they fix could also have been introduced in
+</I>&gt;<i> the 0.7 branch.
+</I>
+About 75% of the crash issues fixed by the above 0.7 commits affect mga1
+0.6.x, with a sample size of 70 commits.
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+&gt;<i> About 75% of the crash issues fixed by the above 0.7 commits affect mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> 0.6.x, with a sample size of 70 commits.
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+So maybe we should consider ffmpeg as Firefox : a software we must upgrade
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+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 25 novembre 2011 07:56:08 Sandro CAZZANIGA a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hi, it seems that we have a little problem with the last updates of KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; components...
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> I missed the epoch value when i added the conflicts.
+</I>&gt;<i> Should be fixed with the next libkactivities package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
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+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks you :)
+</I>Well in fact luc menut fixed it since i missed the 4 of kdebase4-runtime ;o)
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+bash-completion now uses dynamic function loading, making symlinks from
+/etc/bash_completion.d directory useless. I tried to reuse a
+post-install cleanup procedure based on trigger, so as to be fired only
+once during 1.2 -&gt; 1.90 update:
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+triggerpostun scriptlet (using /bin/sh) -- bash-completion &lt; 1.90
+# drop dangling symlinks resulting from previous setup
+find /etc/bash-completion.d -type l | xargs rm -f
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+For the record, I get my inspiration from this one, in the setup package:
+
+triggerpostun scriptlet (using /bin/sh) -- setup &lt; 2.7.8
+# the files is no more in setup starting from 2.7.8, it is now in nfs-utils
+if [ -e /etc/exports.rpmsave ]; then
+ mv -f /etc/exports.rpmsave /etc/exports &amp;&amp; echo &quot;warning:
+/etc/exports.rpmsave restored as /etc/exports&quot;
+fi
+
+However, it doesn't work... Is it a problem in my trigger specification,
+or did anything change in rpm ?
+
+--
+BOFH excuse #218:
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+The UPS doesn't have a battery backup.
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+<PRE>On 26.11.2011 16:07, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> bash-completion now uses dynamic function loading, making symlinks from
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/bash_completion.d directory useless. I tried to reuse a
+</I>&gt;<i> post-install cleanup procedure based on trigger, so as to be fired only
+</I>&gt;<i> once during 1.2 -&gt; 1.90 update:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> triggerpostun scriptlet (using /bin/sh) -- bash-completion &lt; 1.90
+</I>&gt;<i> # drop dangling symlinks resulting from previous setup
+</I>&gt;<i> find /etc/bash-completion.d -type l | xargs rm -f
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the record, I get my inspiration from this one, in the setup package:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> triggerpostun scriptlet (using /bin/sh) -- setup &lt; 2.7.8
+</I>&gt;<i> # the files is no more in setup starting from 2.7.8, it is now in nfs-utils
+</I>&gt;<i> if [ -e /etc/exports.rpmsave ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> mv -f /etc/exports.rpmsave /etc/exports &amp;&amp; echo &quot;warning:
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/exports.rpmsave restored as /etc/exports&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, it doesn't work... Is it a problem in my trigger specification,
+</I>&gt;<i> or did anything change in rpm ?
+</I>
+bash-completion &lt; 2:1.90
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+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 26 novembre 2011 02:31:43, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> About 75% of the crash issues fixed by the above 0.7 commits affect mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 0.6.x, with a sample size of 70 commits.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So maybe we should consider ffmpeg as Firefox : a software we must upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> because upstream fixes security only in latest version.
+</I>
+Unfortunately FFmpeg is much less 'stable' than firefox in both its
+dependencies and API across different series. Meaning that upgrade of
+FFmpeg often requires upgrade of libx264 (like in 0.6-&gt;0.7), or requires
+changes in software that uses FFmpeg (0.6-&gt;0.7 doesn't, however).
+
+The &quot;easy&quot; way out in this case could be upgrading FFmpeg 0.6-&gt;0.7 and
+x264 and doing extensive Q&amp;A to avoid breakage. The &quot;hard&quot; way is
+backporting the ~200 relevant patches (most of which don't apply
+automatically).
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+&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 3.16-10.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 171490
+</I>&gt;<i> - add back explicit support for
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;/lib/module-init-tools/ldetect-lst-modules.alias, it needs to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;parsed in its own group, so that modprobe.d/*.conf files are preferred
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;over it
+</I>
+isn't a patch just for this a little overhead?
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+ <B>Guillaume Rousse</B>
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+I can't rebuild ntop anymore, due to missing libxml2.la file, which
+seems to be required by libtool:
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+--param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -fstack-protector-all -I/usr/local/include
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+ -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--build-id
+-Wl,--enable-new-dtags -L/usr/local/lib -L/opt/local/lib -o libntop.la
+-rpath /usr/lib64 address.lo argv.lo dataFormat.lo event.lo
+globals-core.lo hash.lo iface.lo initialize.lo leaks.lo ntop.lo pbuf.lo
+plugin.lo prefs.lo protocols.lo sessions.lo term.lo util.lo utildl.lo
+traffic.lo vendor.lo version.lo ntop_darwin.lo -lpthread -ldl -lcrypt
+-lc -lssl -lrrd_th -lpcap -lgdbm -lz -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-z,relro
+-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--build-id -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -lsensors -L/usr/lib64
+-lnetsnmp -lcrypto -lm -lGeoIP
+/bin/grep: /usr/lib64/libxml2.la: No such file or directory
+/bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib64/libxml2.la: No such file or directory
+libtool: link: `/usr/lib64/libxml2.la' is not a valid libtool archive
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+Any hint welcome.
+--
+BOFH excuse #213:
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+Change your language to Finnish.
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+<PRE>On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 03:40:14PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Any hint welcome.
+</I>
+Remove all other .la files in /usr/lib and /uysr/lib64. La file removal
+can cause issues if e.g. libxml.la files is removed before all the .la
+files which reference it.
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>On 26.11.2011 16:40, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can't rebuild ntop anymore, due to missing libxml2.la file, which
+</I>&gt;<i> seems to be required by libtool:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /bin/sh ./libtool --tag=CC --mode=link gcc -O2 -g -pipe -Wformat
+</I>&gt;<i> -Werror=format-security -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector
+</I>&gt;<i> --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -fstack-protector-all -I/usr/local/include
+</I>&gt;<i> -I/opt/local/include -Wshadow -Wpointer-arith -Wmissing-prototypes
+</I>&gt;<i> -Wmissing-declarations -Wnested-externs -release 4.1.0 -export-dynamic
+</I>&gt;<i> -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--build-id
+</I>&gt;<i> -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -L/usr/local/lib -L/opt/local/lib -o libntop.la
+</I>&gt;<i> -rpath /usr/lib64 address.lo argv.lo dataFormat.lo event.lo
+</I>&gt;<i> globals-core.lo hash.lo iface.lo initialize.lo leaks.lo ntop.lo pbuf.lo
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin.lo prefs.lo protocols.lo sessions.lo term.lo util.lo utildl.lo
+</I>&gt;<i> traffic.lo vendor.lo version.lo ntop_darwin.lo -lpthread -ldl -lcrypt
+</I>&gt;<i> -lc -lssl -lrrd_th -lpcap -lgdbm -lz -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-z,relro
+</I>&gt;<i> -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--build-id -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -lsensors -L/usr/lib64
+</I>&gt;<i> -lnetsnmp -lcrypto -lm -lGeoIP
+</I>&gt;<i> /bin/grep: /usr/lib64/libxml2.la: No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib64/libxml2.la: No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> libtool: link: `/usr/lib64/libxml2.la' is not a valid libtool archive
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any hint welcome.
+</I>
+Maybe you have libsensors.la, libnetsnmp.la, libcrypto.la, libgdbm.la,
+libpcap.la, librrd_th.la, libssl.la, or libGeoIP.la referencing
+libxml2.la. If so, the package in question needs a rebuild so that the
+reference disappears (or alternatively just a removal of the .la file
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+&gt;<i> On 26.11.2011 09:54, zezinho wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 26 novembre 2011 02:31:43, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> About 75% of the crash issues fixed by the above 0.7 commits affect mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 0.6.x, with a sample size of 70 commits.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So maybe we should consider ffmpeg as Firefox : a software we must upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because upstream fixes security only in latest version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately FFmpeg is much less 'stable' than firefox in both its
+</I>&gt;<i> dependencies and API across different series. Meaning that upgrade of
+</I>&gt;<i> FFmpeg often requires upgrade of libx264 (like in 0.6-&gt;0.7), or requires
+</I>&gt;<i> changes in software that uses FFmpeg (0.6-&gt;0.7 doesn't, however).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The &quot;easy&quot; way out in this case could be upgrading FFmpeg 0.6-&gt;0.7 and
+</I>&gt;<i> x264 and doing extensive Q&amp;A to avoid breakage. The &quot;hard&quot; way is
+</I>&gt;<i> backporting the ~200 relevant patches (most of which don't apply
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And you dont think upgrading to a new ffmpeg will bring new bugs and
+need for new fixes...
+
+We dont even have BR about those bugs in our bugzilla, so apparently
+they are not that important or not easy to hit.
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+The real easy way is: just apply the 5 security fixes and be done with it.
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy</A>
+&quot;For the most part, an update should consist of a patched build of the
+same version of the package released with the distribution&quot;
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+If we start the &quot;look at upstream, there are X number of fixes not in
+our package&quot;, where does it end ??
+
+We will soon have to do it for every package, and that is Cauldron or a
+rolling release, not really a stable release.
+
+And we dont have the manpower in QA to start a updating frenzy like this.
+
+The point is simple: software _always_ have bugs. Thats a fact.
+
+upgrading from one version to another does not only &quot;fix bugs&quot;,
+it's also &quot;replacing old bugs&quot; with &quot;new ones&quot;
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+&gt;<i> On 23 November 2011 22:17, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 3.16-10.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 171490
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add back explicit support for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;/lib/module-init-tools/ldetect-lst-modules.alias, it needs to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;parsed in its own group, so that modprobe.d/*.conf files are preferred
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;over it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> isn't a patch just for this a little overhead?
+</I>&gt;<i> why not just prepends its name with a numeric value in /etc/modprobe.d?
+</I>
+Because it does not have the same meaning.
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+Putting a modprobe.d file for ldetect aliases mean that they can not be
+overriden. All alias matches from modprobe.d files will be loaded.
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+If the ldetect-lst file is parsed from another conf files &quot;group&quot;, as my
+patch is doing, only the alias match from modprobe.d files will be
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+&gt;&gt;<i> isn't a patch just for this a little overhead?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> why not just prepends its name with a numeric value in /etc/modprobe.d?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because it does not have the same meaning.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Putting a modprobe.d file for ldetect aliases mean that they can not be
+</I>&gt;<i> overriden. All alias matches from modprobe.d files will be loaded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the ldetect-lst file is parsed from another conf files &quot;group&quot;, as my
+</I>&gt;<i> patch is doing, only the alias match from modprobe.d files will be
+</I>&gt;<i> loaded if found.
+</I>
+You should add this documentation in the patch header...
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+&gt;<i> On 26 November 2011 15:50, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> isn't a patch just for this a little overhead?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> why not just prepends its name with a numeric value in /etc/modprobe.d?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Because it does not have the same meaning.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Putting a modprobe.d file for ldetect aliases mean that they can not be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> overriden. All alias matches from modprobe.d files will be loaded.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If the ldetect-lst file is parsed from another conf files &quot;group&quot;, as my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patch is doing, only the alias match from modprobe.d files will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> loaded if found.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should add this documentation in the patch header...
+</I>
+There's a comment in the spec file, I'll enhance it there
+
+--
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+ <B>Anssi Hannula</B>
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+&gt;<i> 26.11.2011 16:15, Anssi Hannula skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 26.11.2011 09:54, zezinho wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 26 novembre 2011 02:31:43, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> About 75% of the crash issues fixed by the above 0.7 commits affect
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 0.6.x, with a sample size of 70 commits.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So maybe we should consider ffmpeg as Firefox : a software we must
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because upstream fixes security only in latest version.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunately FFmpeg is much less 'stable' than firefox in both its
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dependencies and API across different series. Meaning that upgrade of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> FFmpeg often requires upgrade of libx264 (like in 0.6-&gt;0.7), or requires
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> changes in software that uses FFmpeg (0.6-&gt;0.7 doesn't, however).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The &quot;easy&quot; way out in this case could be upgrading FFmpeg 0.6-&gt;0.7 and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x264 and doing extensive Q&amp;A to avoid breakage. The &quot;hard&quot; way is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backporting the ~200 relevant patches (most of which don't apply
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> automatically).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And you dont think upgrading to a new ffmpeg will bring new bugs and
+</I>&gt;<i> need for new fixes...
+</I>
+Hence the quotes around &quot;easy&quot; and &quot;hard&quot;.
+
+&gt;<i> We dont even have BR about those bugs in our bugzilla, so apparently
+</I>&gt;<i> they are not that important or not easy to hit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The real easy way is: just apply the 5 security fixes and be done with it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;For the most part, an update should consist of a patched build of the
+</I>&gt;<i> same version of the package released with the distribution&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we start the &quot;look at upstream, there are X number of fixes not in
+</I>&gt;<i> our package&quot;, where does it end ??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We will soon have to do it for every package, and that is Cauldron or a
+</I>&gt;<i> rolling release, not really a stable release.
+</I>
+Obviously only security fixes are relevant.
+
+&gt;<i> And we dont have the manpower in QA to start a updating frenzy like this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The point is simple: software _always_ have bugs. Thats a fact.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrading from one version to another does not only &quot;fix bugs&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's also &quot;replacing old bugs&quot; with &quot;new ones&quot;
+</I>
+(BTW, I wasn't advocating upgrading FFmpeg 0.6-&gt;0.7, though admittedly
+my post was badly worded so it might've looked like I was)
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+ <B>Julien</B>
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+Now that alpha 1 is out. I intend to push compiz to
+core/release soon.
+At the same time, I will make some modification to the packaging of
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+ - rename compiz-fusion-plugins-(main|extra) to
+ compiz-plugins-(main|extra), it's simpler and in line with upstream
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+ - rename fusion-icon to compiz-fusion-icon, it will be more discoverable
+ - kill compiz-fusion, it's only a launcher script (named compiz-fusion), a
+ empty pref file and require others compiz packages. In order to not
+ break existing config, the script and the empty file will go in
+ compiz package. Compiz itself will suggest ccsm and plugins.
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+Any objections ?
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+Cheers
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+&gt;<i> Revision 160945 Author gil Date 2011-11-01 12:08:32 +0100 (Tue, 01 Nov 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> imported package json-smart
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Added Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/json-smart/current/
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/json-smart/current/SOURCES/
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/json-smart/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/json-smart/current/SPECS/
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/json-smart/current/SPECS/json-smart.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/json-smart/releases/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Added: cauldron/json-smart/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- cauldron/json-smart/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst
+</I>&gt;<i> (rev 0)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/json-smart/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst 2011-11-01 11:08:32 UTC
+</I>&gt;<i> (rev 160945)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -0,0 +1,2 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> +a419bad772201be21c822d37e9c8f2d2263671f5
+</I>&gt;<i> json-smart-1.0.9-autogeneratedfiles.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;<i> +16340e125e29359a9592c514e57e2d56e4fc5818 json-smart-1.0.9-src-svn.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Added: cauldron/json-smart/current/SPECS/json-smart.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- cauldron/json-smart/current/SPECS/json-smart.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> (rev 0)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/json-smart/current/SPECS/json-smart.spec 2011-11-01 11:08:32
+</I>&gt;<i> UTC (rev 160945)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -0,0 +1,190 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define with_maven 1
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define with_mini 0
+</I>&gt;<i> +Name: json-smart
+</I>&gt;<i> +Version: 1.0.9
+</I>&gt;<i> +Release: %mkrel 0
+</I>
+hi,
+
+please don't forget about %mkrel 1
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+in the Usenet newsgroup gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+nicolas vigier wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, blind Pete wrote:
+</I>
+Sorry for the delay.
+
+Believe it or not, I was trying to be helpful.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> You guys really need to talk to a lawyer. Then when you know
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> how things work you will be able to make sensible decisions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you have anything interesting to say, just say it,
+</I>
+What is legal or not varies a lot from time to time and place
+to place. If you want to do anything that is legal everywhere
+for all time then you are doomed. Just concentrate on the laws
+that apply to you.
+
+&gt;<i> no need to add
+</I>&gt;<i> things like &quot;You guys really need to talk to a lawyer&quot;.
+</I>
+Because I know that I am not an expert I am very reluctant to
+tell you what to do.
+
+&gt;<i> Especially
+</I>&gt;<i> when the rest of you email shows that you don't actually have anything
+</I>&gt;<i> useful to say that we already know. People interested in patents
+</I>probably
+&gt;<i> already read this document (already posted on this list), which has
+</I>much
+&gt;<i> more useful and accurate informations than your email (without the
+</I>&gt;<i> condescending tone), prepared by real lawyers :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq">http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq</A>
+</I>
+Sorry if I appeared condescending.
+
+The Debian document describes US law as considerably harsher than
+the law where I am, but I'm not doing business in the US so I don't
+really care. Are you in the US? Are you doing business in the US?
+My reading of that document is that they repeatedly
+tell the reader to talk to a lawyer.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, I do have one, I think we agreed that tainted was for enforced
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; patents, or those that would likely be enforced. While the
+</I>definition is
+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; fuzzy, I doubt that the patent will be enforced, mainly because it
+</I>is
+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; weak,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Patented? That would stop me SELLING stuff, if someone has a valid
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patent in my jurisdiction, but if I am not selling then all patents
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are irrelevant. Check this with a local professional!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe you should do what you say and talk to a lawyer. You don't need
+</I>&gt;<i> to sell anything to be attacked for patent infringement, or inducing
+</I>&gt;<i> infringement (according to the document from lawyers at the Software
+</I>&gt;<i> Freedom Law Center). It's just that you are a more attractive target
+</I>if
+&gt;<i> you're making a lot of money.
+</I>
+I have talked to patent attorneys about enforcing patents. The laws
+are very different here and there. Again my emphasis on local experts.
+Not selling is apparently not an adequate defence in the US.
+
+Here you can quite happily sell patented stuff - until someone
+says, &quot;Hey, I have a patent on that!&quot;, then you have to negotiate.
+
+&gt;<i> But the tainted repository is not here to protect Mageia, because
+</I>Mageia
+&gt;<i> is distributing it anyway. The goal of the tainted repository is to
+</I>help
+&gt;<i> mirror owners (which can be commercial companies) or users or people
+</I>&gt;<i> selling stuff based on Mageia, who want to limit their legal risks by
+</I>&gt;<i> avoiding the more risky software.
+</I>
+That is very nice of you, but I doubt that it is as useful as you hope.
+
+Does anybody making any claim in any jurisdiction mean that something
+is tainted? Or does the claim have to be made by someone rich and
+aggressive with a strong patent in a particular country?
+
+Don't answer that in public, just think about it. Do you want a
+separate blacklist for every country?
+
+You appear to be aiming at the US, but their system is so perverse
+that honestly trying to do the right thing can put you in a worse
+position. Personally, I'm staying out of there.
+
+--
+sig goes here...
+blind Pete
+
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+<PRE>On the bugzilla website when filing a new bug, the choices are:
+
+Installer
+New RPM Package Request
+RPM Packages
+Release (media or process)
+Security
+
+How do I file a hardware related bug?
+
+I have a Sennheiser DW Pro 1 dect headset which supports USB to PC:
+<A HREF="http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headsets_office_wireless-series_504304">http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headsets_office_wireless-series_504304</A>
+
+When I try and use it under latest Cauldron - the system freezes (mouse
+moves but can't do anything else) - when I disconnect it (switch to
+telephone side - the system responds again. No error messages etc.
+
+I have tested this under Ubuntu 11.10 and Mint 12 which do not have the
+hanging problem - the USB audio device works (but the microphone is REAL
+quiet)
+
+So something is wrong with our kernel (I suspect):
+
+lsusb -v output:
+
+Bus 008 Device 002: ID 1395:740a Sennheiser Communications
+Couldn't open device, some information will be missing
+Device Descriptor:
+ bLength 18
+ bDescriptorType 1
+ bcdUSB 2.00
+ bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level)
+ bDeviceSubClass 0
+ bDeviceProtocol 0
+ bMaxPacketSize0 8
+ idVendor 0x1395 Sennheiser Communications
+ idProduct 0x740a
+ bcdDevice 1.00
+ iManufacturer 1
+ iProduct 2
+ iSerial 3
+ bNumConfigurations 1
+ Configuration Descriptor:
+ bLength 9
+ bDescriptorType 2
+ wTotalLength 253
+ bNumInterfaces 4
+ bConfigurationValue 1
+ iConfiguration 0
+ bmAttributes 0xc0
+ Self Powered
+ MaxPower 500mA
+ Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 9
+ bDescriptorType 4
+ bInterfaceNumber 0
+ bAlternateSetting 0
+ bNumEndpoints 2
+ bInterfaceClass 3 Human Interface Device
+ bInterfaceSubClass 0 No Subclass
+ bInterfaceProtocol 0 None
+ iInterface 0
+ HID Device Descriptor:
+ bLength 9
+ bDescriptorType 33
+ bcdHID 1.11
+ bCountryCode 0 Not supported
+ bNumDescriptors 1
+ bDescriptorType 34 Report
+ wDescriptorLength 247
+ Report Descriptors:
+ ** UNAVAILABLE **
+ Endpoint Descriptor:
+ bLength 7
+ bDescriptorType 5
+ bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
+ bmAttributes 3
+ Transfer Type Interrupt
+ Synch Type None
+ Usage Type Data
+ wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 1x 64 bytes
+ bInterval 1
+ Endpoint Descriptor:
+ bLength 7
+ bDescriptorType 5
+ bEndpointAddress 0x02 EP 2 OUT
+ bmAttributes 3
+ Transfer Type Interrupt
+ Synch Type None
+ Usage Type Data
+ wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 1x 64 bytes
+ bInterval 1
+ Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 9
+ bDescriptorType 4
+ bInterfaceNumber 1
+ bAlternateSetting 0
+ bNumEndpoints 0
+ bInterfaceClass 1 Audio
+ bInterfaceSubClass 1 Control Device
+ bInterfaceProtocol 0
+ iInterface 0
+ AudioControl Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 10
+ bDescriptorType 36
+ bDescriptorSubtype 1 (HEADER)
+ bcdADC 1.00
+ wTotalLength 99
+ bInCollection 2
+ baInterfaceNr( 0) 2
+ baInterfaceNr( 1) 3
+ AudioControl Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 12
+ bDescriptorType 36
+ bDescriptorSubtype 2 (INPUT_TERMINAL)
+ bTerminalID 13
+ wTerminalType 0x0402 Headset
+ bAssocTerminal 14
+ bNrChannels 1
+ wChannelConfig 0x0000
+ iChannelNames 0
+ iTerminal 0
+ AudioControl Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 9
+ bDescriptorType 36
+ bDescriptorSubtype 6 (FEATURE_UNIT)
+ bUnitID 6
+ bSourceID 13
+ bControlSize 1
+ bmaControls( 0) 0x03
+ Mute Control
+ Volume Control
+ bmaControls( 1) 0x00
+ iFeature 0
+ AudioControl Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 12
+ bDescriptorType 36
+ bDescriptorSubtype 2 (INPUT_TERMINAL)
+ bTerminalID 12
+ wTerminalType 0x0101 USB Streaming
+ bAssocTerminal 0
+ bNrChannels 1
+ wChannelConfig 0x0000
+ iChannelNames 0
+ iTerminal 0
+ AudioControl Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 13
+ bDescriptorType 36
+ bDescriptorSubtype 4 (MIXER_UNIT)
+ bUnitID 9
+ bNrInPins 2
+ baSourceID( 0) 12
+ baSourceID( 1) 6
+ bNrChannels 1
+ wChannelConfig 0x0000
+ iChannelNames 0
+ bmControls 0x00
+ iMixer 0
+ AudioControl Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 9
+ bDescriptorType 36
+ bDescriptorSubtype 6 (FEATURE_UNIT)
+ bUnitID 1
+ bSourceID 9
+ bControlSize 2
+ bmaControls( 0) 0x02
+ bmaControls( 0) 0x00
+ Volume Control
+ iFeature 0
+ AudioControl Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 9
+ bDescriptorType 36
+ bDescriptorSubtype 3 (OUTPUT_TERMINAL)
+ bTerminalID 14
+ wTerminalType 0x0402 Headset
+ bAssocTerminal 13
+ bSourceID 1
+ iTerminal 0
+ AudioControl Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 9
+ bDescriptorType 36
+ bDescriptorSubtype 6 (FEATURE_UNIT)
+ bUnitID 2
+ bSourceID 13
+ bControlSize 1
+ bmaControls( 0) 0x02
+ Volume Control
+ bmaControls( 1) 0x00
+ iFeature 0
+ AudioControl Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 7
+ bDescriptorType 36
+ bDescriptorSubtype 5 (SELECTOR_UNIT)
+ bUnitID 8
+ bNrInPins 1
+ baSource( 0) 2
+ iSelector 0
+ AudioControl Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 9
+ bDescriptorType 36
+ bDescriptorSubtype 3 (OUTPUT_TERMINAL)
+ bTerminalID 10
+ wTerminalType 0x0101 USB Streaming
+ bAssocTerminal 0
+ bSourceID 8
+ iTerminal 0
+ Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 9
+ bDescriptorType 4
+ bInterfaceNumber 2
+ bAlternateSetting 0
+ bNumEndpoints 0
+ bInterfaceClass 1 Audio
+ bInterfaceSubClass 2 Streaming
+ bInterfaceProtocol 0
+ iInterface 0
+ Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 9
+ bDescriptorType 4
+ bInterfaceNumber 2
+ bAlternateSetting 1
+ bNumEndpoints 1
+ bInterfaceClass 1 Audio
+ bInterfaceSubClass 2 Streaming
+ bInterfaceProtocol 0
+ iInterface 0
+ AudioStreaming Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 7
+ bDescriptorType 36
+ bDescriptorSubtype 1 (AS_GENERAL)
+ bTerminalLink 12
+ bDelay 0 frames
+ wFormatTag 1 PCM
+ AudioStreaming Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 11
+ bDescriptorType 36
+ bDescriptorSubtype 2 (FORMAT_TYPE)
+ bFormatType 1 (FORMAT_TYPE_I)
+ bNrChannels 1
+ bSubframeSize 2
+ bBitResolution 16
+ bSamFreqType 1 Discrete
+ tSamFreq[ 0] 16000
+ Endpoint Descriptor:
+ bLength 9
+ bDescriptorType 5
+ bEndpointAddress 0x04 EP 4 OUT
+ bmAttributes 1
+ Transfer Type Isochronous
+ Synch Type None
+ Usage Type Data
+ wMaxPacketSize 0x0020 1x 32 bytes
+ bInterval 1
+ bRefresh 0
+ bSynchAddress 0
+ AudioControl Endpoint Descriptor:
+ bLength 7
+ bDescriptorType 37
+ bDescriptorSubtype 1 (EP_GENERAL)
+ bmAttributes 0x01
+ Sampling Frequency
+ bLockDelayUnits 2 Decoded PCM samples
+ wLockDelay 1 Decoded PCM samples
+ Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 9
+ bDescriptorType 4
+ bInterfaceNumber 3
+ bAlternateSetting 0
+ bNumEndpoints 0
+ bInterfaceClass 1 Audio
+ bInterfaceSubClass 2 Streaming
+ bInterfaceProtocol 0
+ iInterface 0
+ Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 9
+ bDescriptorType 4
+ bInterfaceNumber 3
+ bAlternateSetting 1
+ bNumEndpoints 1
+ bInterfaceClass 1 Audio
+ bInterfaceSubClass 2 Streaming
+ bInterfaceProtocol 0
+ iInterface 0
+ AudioStreaming Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 7
+ bDescriptorType 36
+ bDescriptorSubtype 1 (AS_GENERAL)
+ bTerminalLink 10
+ bDelay 0 frames
+ wFormatTag 1 PCM
+ AudioStreaming Interface Descriptor:
+ bLength 11
+ bDescriptorType 36
+ bDescriptorSubtype 2 (FORMAT_TYPE)
+ bFormatType 1 (FORMAT_TYPE_I)
+ bNrChannels 1
+ bSubframeSize 2
+ bBitResolution 16
+ bSamFreqType 1 Discrete
+ tSamFreq[ 0] 16000
+ Endpoint Descriptor:
+ bLength 9
+ bDescriptorType 5
+ bEndpointAddress 0x83 EP 3 IN
+ bmAttributes 1
+ Transfer Type Isochronous
+ Synch Type None
+ Usage Type Data
+ wMaxPacketSize 0x0020 1x 32 bytes
+ bInterval 1
+ bRefresh 0
+ bSynchAddress 0
+ AudioControl Endpoint Descriptor:
+ bLength 7
+ bDescriptorType 37
+ bDescriptorSubtype 1 (EP_GENERAL)
+ bmAttributes 0x01
+ Sampling Frequency
+ bLockDelayUnits 2 Decoded PCM samples
+ wLockDelay 1 Decoded PCM samples
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+<PRE>Op zondag 27 november 2011 13:55:36 schreef Robert Fox:
+&gt;<i> On the bugzilla website when filing a new bug, the choices are:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Installer
+</I>&gt;<i> New RPM Package Request
+</I>&gt;<i> RPM Packages
+</I>&gt;<i> Release (media or process)
+</I>&gt;<i> Security
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How do I file a hardware related bug?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a Sennheiser DW Pro 1 dect headset which supports USB to PC:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headsets_offi">http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headsets_offi</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ce_wireless-series_504304
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When I try and use it under latest Cauldron - the system freezes (mouse
+</I>&gt;<i> moves but can't do anything else) - when I disconnect it (switch to
+</I>&gt;<i> telephone side - the system responds again. No error messages etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have tested this under Ubuntu 11.10 and Mint 12 which do not have the
+</I>&gt;<i> hanging problem - the USB audio device works (but the microphone is REAL
+</I>&gt;<i> quiet)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So something is wrong with our kernel (I suspect):
+</I>[...]
+
+rpm package
+
+and fill in kernel or if that module is in a different package (eg: dkms-*) file
+under that package
+
+( if it'd be really a hardware bug, that means it wouldn't be software and
+then you shouldn't file it with us :-) )
+
+it's true however that that may not be as easy to find out the categories.
+
+I think a good way would be to have a small ajax widget there that can look up
+files in what packages and then that could be used as source rpm?
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+&gt;<i> Revision 155556 Author gil Date 2011-10-16 20:14:35 +0200 (Sun, 16 Oct 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> update to 1.0.0.RELEASE
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/springsource-bundlor/current/SPECS/springsource-bundlor.spec
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified:
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/springsource-bundlor/current/SPECS/springsource-bundlor.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> ---
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/springsource-bundlor/current/SPECS/springsource-bundlor.spec 2011-10-16
+</I>&gt;<i> 17:38:23 UTC (rev 155555)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/springsource-bundlor/current/SPECS/springsource-bundlor.spec 2011-10-16
+</I>&gt;<i> 18:14:35 UTC (rev 155556)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -6,16 +6,20 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Name: springsource-bundlor
+</I>&gt;<i> Version: 1.0.0
+</I>&gt;<i> -Release: %mkrel 0
+</I>&gt;<i> +Release: %mkrel 1
+</I>
+Hi,
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+i can't submit it lacks bundlor-1.0.0.RELEASE-src-cleaned.tar.gz
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+I am working with drakcowsay and I want to fix the warning:
+*** WARNING: No build ID note found in
+(...)/drakcowsay/BUILDROOT/drakcowsay-0.7-7.mga1.x86_64/usr/lib64/xchat/plugins/xchat-drakcowsay.so
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+This page <A HREF="http://xchat.org/docs/plugin20.html#intro">http://xchat.org/docs/plugin20.html#intro</A> says:
+Most UNIX systems:
+ gcc -Wl,--export-dynamic -Wall -O1 -shared -fPIC myplugin.c -o
+myplugin.so
+In our .spec we have:
+ gcc -Wl,--export-dynamic -Wall -O1 -shared -fPIC -I.
+xchat-%{name}.c -o xchat-%{name}.so
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+When I try to add %ldflags to it, it gives an error:
+/tmp/cc5a8dDh.o: In function `drakcowsay_timeout_cb':
+xchat-drakcowsay.c:(.text+0x60): undefined reference to `xchat_commandf'
+xchat-drakcowsay.c:(.text+0xcd): undefined reference to `xchat_commandf'
+/tmp/cc5a8dDh.o: In function `xchat_plugin_init':
+xchat-drakcowsay.c:(.text+0x1ed): undefined reference to `xchat_hook_timer'
+xchat-drakcowsay.c:(.text+0x200): undefined reference to `xchat_print'
+/tmp/cc5a8dDh.o: In function `xchat_plugin_deinit':
+xchat-drakcowsay.c:(.text+0x24c): undefined reference to `xchat_print'
+collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
+
+So I've extracted the parameters for gcc from %ldflags and removed
+-Wl,--no-undefined.
+The current line is:
+ gcc -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,--no-undefined -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1
+-Wl,--build-id -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -Wl,--export-dynamic -Wall -O1
+-shared -fPIC -I. xchat-drakcowsay.c -o xchat-drakcowsay.so
+
+Is it right (for a shared library/ plugin)?
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+As a FPS game lover, I do play a lot of ioquake3's derived games and
+want to improve the support of them in Mageia. Fedora has an ioquake3
+package which support several Quake III derived games with proprietary
+license data. This are the games supported by this package:
+- Official Quake III demo
+- Urban Terror
+- World Of Padman
+
+The ioquake3 package creates a sub package for ioquake3 and each of
+the supported games, and each of this packages include a script to
+auto-download the proprietary license game data at first run of the
+game using the autodownloader program. When any of the games listed
+above is run, a window will popup displaying the game license and upon
+agreeing on it, the script will download the game data from a
+predefined list of mirrors and install it in the proper place.
+
+Openarena is also supported to be used with ioquake3 engine instead of
+it's own engine, but doesn't auto-download the game content, it will
+use the openarena package in repos (as we currently do) for game data
+files. Also we could use the same auto-download technique with other
+games which already exist on the repos (openarena, alienarena,
+sauerbraten, nexuiz), and save some gigabytes of space on mirrors, or
+add support for other ioquake3-based games like Smokin' Guns (which I
+plan to do soon).
+
+I have already adapted this package to Mageia's policies and works
+fine. The idea would be to replace our current ioquake3 package with
+this new one so we can add support for the previous mentioned games.
+Also it would be a good time to cleanup a little this package and
+remove useless stuff like the old Loki installer ifdef's. I can put
+the src package somewhere before replacing our ioquake3 package if
+someone wants to take a look at it.
+
+WDYT ?
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+<PRE>Le 28/11/2011 05:42, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> So I've extracted the parameters for gcc from %ldflags and removed
+</I>&gt;<i> -Wl,--no-undefined.
+</I>&gt;<i> The current line is:
+</I>&gt;<i> gcc -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,--no-undefined -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1
+</I>&gt;<i> -Wl,--build-id -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -Wl,--export-dynamic -Wall -O1
+</I>&gt;<i> -shared -fPIC -I. xchat-drakcowsay.c -o xchat-drakcowsay.so
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it right (for a shared library/ plugin)?
+</I>As plugin symbols are resolved at runtime, you can't use
+-Wl,--no-undefined to build them. This is explained here:
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Underlinking">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Underlinking</A>
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+&gt;<i> As a FPS game lover, I do play a lot of ioquake3's derived games and
+</I>&gt;<i> want to improve the support of them in Mageia. Fedora has an ioquake3
+</I>&gt;<i> package which support several Quake III derived games with proprietary
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+</I>&gt;<i> - Official Quake III demo
+</I>&gt;<i> - Urban Terror
+</I>&gt;<i> - World Of Padman
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+ Why not.
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+&gt;<i> Le 28/11/2011 05:42, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I've extracted the parameters for gcc from %ldflags and removed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Wl,--no-undefined.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The current line is:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gcc -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,--no-undefined -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Wl,--build-id -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -Wl,--export-dynamic -Wall -O1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -shared -fPIC -I. xchat-drakcowsay.c -o xchat-drakcowsay.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it right (for a shared library/ plugin)?
+</I>&gt;<i> As plugin symbols are resolved at runtime, you can't use
+</I>&gt;<i> -Wl,--no-undefined to build them. This is explained here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Underlinking">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Underlinking</A>
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm
+A requested package cannot be installed:
+teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))
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+&gt;<i> Is there a way to get Teamviewer working under Cauldron x86_64??
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+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
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+</I>Installing the needed 32bit libs?
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+&gt;<i> Is there a way to get Teamviewer working under Cauldron x86_64??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>As any other 32 bits application on a 64 bits system: install the 32
+bits version of the needed libraries.
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+&gt;<i> Le 28/11/2011 10:52, Robert Fox a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is there a way to get Teamviewer working under Cauldron x86_64??
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;<i> As any other 32 bits application on a 64 bits system: install the 32
+</I>&gt;<i> bits version of the needed libraries.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The 32bit version is already installed . .
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# rpm -qa | grep libxdamage
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+&gt;<i> Le 28/11/2011 10:52, Robert Fox a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is there a way to get Teamviewer working under Cauldron x86_64??
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;<i> As any other 32 bits application on a 64 bits system: install the 32
+</I>&gt;<i> bits version of the needed libraries.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Funny enough, the package from the website says it is both 32/64 bit
+RPMs (for Redhat, Fedora &amp; Mandriva!!)
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 11:03 +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 28/11/2011 10:52, Robert Fox a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is there a way to get Teamviewer working under Cauldron x86_64??
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As any other 32 bits application on a 64 bits system: install the 32
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bits version of the needed libraries.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The 32bit version is already installed . .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# rpm -qa | grep libxdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> libxdamage1-1.1.3-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any other hints?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Install with --nodeps as our libxdamage1-1.1.3-2.mga2 probably does not
+provide: libXdamage(x86-32)
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 11:03 +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 28/11/2011 10:52, Robert Fox a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Is there a way to get Teamviewer working under Cauldron x86_64??
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As any other 32 bits application on a 64 bits system: install the 32
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; bits version of the needed libraries.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Funny enough, the package from the website says it is both 32/64 bit
+</I>&gt;<i> RPMs (for Redhat, Fedora &amp; Mandriva!!)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/index.aspx">http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/index.aspx</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Strange . .
+</I>Not really. That sounds to me like a f**** at teamviewer's packaging. The
+dependancy needs another name. So try installing it with
+&quot;urpmi --allow-nodeps&quot;.
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+<PRE>On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 12:19 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> Robert Fox skrev 28.11.2011 12:17:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 11:03 +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le 28/11/2011 10:52, Robert Fox a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Is there a way to get Teamviewer working under Cauldron x86_64??
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As any other 32 bits application on a 64 bits system: install the 32
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; bits version of the needed libraries.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The 32bit version is already installed . .
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# rpm -qa | grep libxdamage
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libxdamage1-1.1.3-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Any other hints?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Install with --nodeps as our libxdamage1-1.1.3-2.mga2 probably does not
+</I>&gt;<i> provide: libXdamage(x86-32)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>
+I think you meant &quot;--allow-nodeps&quot; - I tried that and you can see the
+result below:
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# urpmi --nodeps teamviewer_linux\(1\).rpm
+Unknown option: nodeps
+A requested package cannot be installed:
+teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# urpmi --allow-nodeps teamviewer_linux\(1\).rpm
+warning: teamviewer_linux(1).rpm: Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID
+72db573c: NOKEY
+The following package has bad signature:
+teamviewer_linux(1).rpm: Invalid signature (NOT OK (no key):
+teamviewer_linux(1).rpm: Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 72db573c:
+NOKEY)
+Do you want to continue installation ? (y/N) y
+installing teamviewer_linux(1).rpm
+Installation failed:
+ glibc(x86-32) &gt;= 2.7 is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ alsa-lib(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ zlib(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ libSM(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ libXext(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ libXtst(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ libXdamage(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ libXfixes(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ libXrender(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ freetype(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+Try installation without checking dependencies? (y/N)
+Installation failed: glibc(x86-32) &gt;= 2.7 is needed by
+teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ alsa-lib(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ zlib(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ libSM(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ libXext(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ libXtst(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ libXdamage(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ libXfixes(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ libXrender(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+ freetype(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
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+&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# urpmi --allow-nodeps teamviewer_linux\(1\).rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> warning: teamviewer_linux(1).rpm: Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID
+</I>&gt;<i> 72db573c: NOKEY
+</I>&gt;<i> The following package has bad signature:
+</I>&gt;<i> teamviewer_linux(1).rpm: Invalid signature (NOT OK (no key):
+</I>&gt;<i> teamviewer_linux(1).rpm: Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 72db573c:
+</I>&gt;<i> NOKEY)
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you want to continue installation ? (y/N) y
+</I>&gt;<i> installing teamviewer_linux(1).rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed:
+</I>&gt;<i> glibc(x86-32)&gt;= 2.7 is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> alsa-lib(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> zlib(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> libSM(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> libXext(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> libXtst(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> libXdamage(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> libXfixes(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> libXrender(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> freetype(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>
+So just make sure you have all those installed, and then use --allow-force.
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+Or use their tarball.
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+&gt;<i> Is there a way to get Teamviewer working under Cauldron x86_64??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thx,
+</I>&gt;<i> R.Fox
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This is a duplicate of a message from 11.10.2011 09:51
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+There were a few requests for TeamViewer in my local Mageia site - I
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+<PRE>On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 11:28 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 28.11.2011 10:52, Robert Fox wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is there a way to get Teamviewer working under Cauldron x86_64??
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thx,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; R.Fox
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a duplicate of a message from 11.10.2011 09:51
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There were a few requests for TeamViewer in my local Mageia site - I
+</I>&gt;<i> suggest to add it to our repositories (probably as tainted and as a
+</I>&gt;<i> downloading script).
+</I>
+I second that! It would be great to have an &quot;official&quot; - but tainted
+Mageia RPM package!
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+</I>They are better ways to contribute to the distribution than helping
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 28/11/11 10:32 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 28/11/2011 11:28, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There were a few requests for TeamViewer in my local Mageia site - I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suggest to add it to our repositories (probably as tainted and as a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> downloading script).
+</I>&gt;<i> They are better ways to contribute to the distribution than helping
+</I>&gt;<i> 'poor little users' to install crappy proprietary software. Such as
+</I>&gt;<i> writing documentation about dependency management, for instance.
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+That as it may be, but it doesn't make this kind of helper package any
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+plugin package...
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+cronjob as they cannot modify mid transaction... uggggg!
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+This is off-topic tho'.. maybe one for Pascal Terjan seeing as this is
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+&gt;<i> Robert Fox skrev 28.11.2011 12:22:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# urpmi --allow-nodeps teamviewer_linux\(1\).rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; warning: teamviewer_linux(1).rpm: Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 72db573c: NOKEY
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The following package has bad signature:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; teamviewer_linux(1).rpm: Invalid signature (NOT OK (no key):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; teamviewer_linux(1).rpm: Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 72db573c:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; NOKEY)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Do you want to continue installation ? (y/N) y
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installing teamviewer_linux(1).rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Installation failed:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; glibc(x86-32)&gt;= 2.7 is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; alsa-lib(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; zlib(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libSM(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libXext(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libXtst(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libXdamage(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libXfixes(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libXrender(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; freetype(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So just make sure you have all those installed, and then use --allow-force.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or use their tarball.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>
+
+Thanks Thomas -
+
+I just wanted to understand why the package from the website states
+32/64 bit but so much 32 bit stuff needs to be installed. I am also not
+cure that the 32 bit versions of the needed requires will conflict with
+their 64 bit counterparts. I prefer not to mix and match when possible.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 28/11/11 10:39 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 12:27 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Robert Fox skrev 28.11.2011 12:22:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at foxbase</A> Download]# urpmi --allow-nodeps teamviewer_linux\(1\).rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> warning: teamviewer_linux(1).rpm: Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 72db573c: NOKEY
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The following package has bad signature:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> teamviewer_linux(1).rpm: Invalid signature (NOT OK (no key):
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> teamviewer_linux(1).rpm: Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 72db573c:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> NOKEY)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you want to continue installation ? (y/N) y
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installing teamviewer_linux(1).rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> glibc(x86-32)&gt;= 2.7 is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> alsa-lib(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> zlib(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libSM(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libXext(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libXtst(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libXdamage(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libXfixes(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libXrender(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> freetype(x86-32) is needed by teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So just make sure you have all those installed, and then use --allow-force.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or use their tarball.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks Thomas -
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just wanted to understand why the package from the website states
+</I>&gt;<i> 32/64 bit but so much 32 bit stuff needs to be installed. I am also not
+</I>&gt;<i> cure that the 32 bit versions of the needed requires will conflict with
+</I>&gt;<i> their 64 bit counterparts. I prefer not to mix and match when possible.
+</I>
+I suspect they just mean it's a 32 bit package that has been tested and
+known to work on 64 bit systems - their statement probably doesn't state
+that there are separate 64 bit implementations of their utility.
+
+And generally speaking our packaging policy is such that 32 and 64 bit
+libraries happily coexist. We put a lot of time and effort into ensuring
+this is the case both by design and by poking people who get it wrong!
+
+Which reminds me to poke at the oxygen-gtk3 packager for exactly this
+reason....
+
+Col
+
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 11:32 +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 28/11/2011 11:28, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There were a few requests for TeamViewer in my local Mageia site - I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; suggest to add it to our repositories (probably as tainted and as a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; downloading script).
+</I>&gt;<i> They are better ways to contribute to the distribution than helping
+</I>&gt;<i> 'poor little users' to install crappy proprietary software. Such as
+</I>&gt;<i> writing documentation about dependency management, for instance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Guillaume - it may be &quot;crappy proprietary software&quot; - but in order to
+support various Mac/Winblows users - I need this. and would prefer to
+stay under Linux using it! I have used it in the past without issue.
+
+There a few &quot;key&quot; proprietary softwares which make the Linux work a bit
+easier to integrate and play nice with the others . . . Like Skype,
+Picasa &amp; Teamviewer (to name a few). Other distros get this (like Linux
+Mint!):
+
+<A HREF="http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/04/how-to-install-teamviewer-on-linux-mint-and-connect-to-windows/">http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/04/how-to-install-teamviewer-on-linux-mint-and-connect-to-windows/</A>
+
+Let's not be so elitist here . . .
+
+Thx,
+Robert
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+oxygen-gtk3 is not properly libified which prevents installing it and
+expecting the theme engine to work for 32 and 64 bit apps at the same time.
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3518">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3518</A>
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+Posted here as the officially listed maintainer hasn't actually updated
+the package according to svn, so I figured some exposure would be nice.
+
+CC'ed previous committers :)
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+Cheers
+
+Col
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Le 28/11/2011 11:28, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There were a few requests for TeamViewer in my local Mageia site - I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suggest to add it to our repositories (probably as tainted and as a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> downloading script).
+</I>&gt;<i> They are better ways to contribute to the distribution than helping
+</I>&gt;<i> 'poor little users' to install crappy proprietary software. Such as
+</I>&gt;<i> writing documentation about dependency management, for instance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I wouldn't like to follow the OpenBSD way... There is software like
+TrueCrypt, Skype, TeamViewer that many users need. And there is no harm
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+&gt;<i> Name : systemd Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 37 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 12.mga2 Build Date: Mon Nov 28 09:37:21 2011
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+</I>&gt;<i> dmorgan&lt;dmorgan&gt; 37-12.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 173684
+</I>&gt;<i> - Do not set hostname at first install only but always check if one is set even on upgrade
+</I>
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+ 14/15: systemd-units
+##########################################################################################################################################################################################################
+/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.JjRYdc: row 25: hostname_old: command not found
+cat: /etc/hostname: File or directory not found
+/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.JjRYdc: row 26: emptyhostname: command not found
+ 15/15: systemd-sysvinit
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+<PRE>Am Montag, 28. November 2011, 12:09:27 schrieb Kamil Rytarowski:
+&gt;<i> On 28.11.2011 11:32, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 28/11/2011 11:28, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; There were a few requests for TeamViewer in my local Mageia site - I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; suggest to add it to our repositories (probably as tainted and as a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; downloading script).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; They are better ways to contribute to the distribution than helping
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'poor little users' to install crappy proprietary software. Such as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; writing documentation about dependency management, for instance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wouldn't like to follow the OpenBSD way... There is software like
+</I>&gt;<i> TrueCrypt, Skype, TeamViewer that many users need. And there is no harm
+</I>&gt;<i> to add it to repositories.
+</I>
+Let's not make a rule out of this.
+Each and every one of those proprietary tools has to be looked at on its own.
+E.g. some years ago there was quite a discussion about TrueCrypt and its
+license which led to the exclusion of truecrypt from almost all major distros.
+If that license issue isn't solved, I wouldn't change a jota of that decision.
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+On 11/11/07 12:36 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
+&gt;<i> We have in Mageia concurrently ispell, aspell, myspell and hunspell
+</I>&gt;<i> + voikko and hspell.
+</I>
+i just got assigned a bug report to drop perl-Lingua-Ispell. that's fine
+for me (since the package is not a dependency for other packages), but
+how are we supposed to make this move?
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+i don't want to add a provides: / obsoletes: in other packages, since
+that's not a one for one api-compliant replacement.
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+so i there some kind of meta-package which is responsible for obsoleting
+packages that should be uninstalled?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 28/11/11 11:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Mageia Team skrev 28.11.2011 10:45:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : systemd Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 37 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 12.mga2 Build Date: Mon Nov 28
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 09:37:21 2011
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dmorgan&lt;dmorgan&gt; 37-12.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 173684
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Do not set hostname at first install only but always check if one is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> set even on upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 14/15: systemd-units
+</I>&gt;<i> ##########################################################################################################################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.JjRYdc: row 25: hostname_old: command not found
+</I>&gt;<i> cat: /etc/hostname: File or directory not found
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.JjRYdc: row 26: emptyhostname: command not found
+</I>&gt;<i> 15/15: systemd-sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i> ##########################################################################################################################################################################################################
+</I>
+Should be fixed in the next version.
+
+Cheers
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+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> E.g. some years ago there was quite a discussion about TrueCrypt and its
+</I>&gt;<i> license which led to the exclusion of truecrypt from almost all major distros.
+</I>&gt;<i> If that license issue isn't solved, I wouldn't change a jota of that decision.
+</I>Thank you for information.
+Have you got a reference to this discussion?
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+<PRE>Am Montag, 28. November 2011, 12:51:14 schrieb Kamil Rytarowski:
+&gt;<i> On 28.11.2011 12:31, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; E.g. some years ago there was quite a discussion about TrueCrypt and its
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; license which led to the exclusion of truecrypt from almost all major
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distros. If that license issue isn't solved, I wouldn't change a jota
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of that decision.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you for information.
+</I>&gt;<i> Have you got a reference to this discussion?
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/distributions/2008-October/000273.html">http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/distributions/2008-October/000273.html</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Oliver Burger at 28/11/11 11:59 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Am Montag, 28. November 2011, 12:51:14 schrieb Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 28.11.2011 12:31, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> E.g. some years ago there was quite a discussion about TrueCrypt and its
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> license which led to the exclusion of truecrypt from almost all major
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distros. If that license issue isn't solved, I wouldn't change a jota
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of that decision.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thank you for information.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Have you got a reference to this discussion?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/distributions/2008-October/000273.html">http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/distributions/2008-October/000273.html</A>
+</I>
+Also:
+<A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2008-10/msg00344.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2008-10/msg00344.php</A>
+(which stared as a forward to Cooker ML of the above mail).
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 28 novembre 2011 &#224; 12:31 +0100, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Each and every one of those proprietary tools has to be looked at on its own.
+</I>&gt;<i> E.g. some years ago there was quite a discussion about TrueCrypt and its
+</I>&gt;<i> license which led to the exclusion of truecrypt from almost all major distros.
+</I>&gt;<i> If that license issue isn't solved, I wouldn't change a jota of that decision.
+</I>
+Guess that could help :
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743497">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743497</A>
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+ <B>Bruno Cornec</B>
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+I received recently a mail from Samuel Verschelde asking me to look
+again at the list of un-maintained packages in mageia (either
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt</A> or by mgarepo maintdb
+get | grep nobody). Thanks for the reminder !
+
+I was really surprised of what I found, and I'm pretty sure some people
+have not registered themselves as package maintainer correctly. I can't
+believe we could have a working distribution without people in charge
+of:
+attr
+basesystem
+bind
+bison
+busybox
+cpio
+curl
+cvs
+docbook-*
+dosfstools
+findutils
+flex
+gdb
+ghostscript
+grub
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+initscripts
+inn
+keychain
+less
+lilo
+locales
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+lzma
+mageia-release
+man
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+mkinitrd
+mt-st
+mtools
+ncurses
+netcat-traditional
+ntp
+openjade
+openssl
+openvpn
+pam
+parted
+passwd
+procmail
+sane
+sgml-common
+shorewall
+sqlite
+sudo
+sympa
+sysstat
+tcp_wrappers
+tcpdump
+tcsh
+termcap
+traceroute
+udev
+util-linux-ng
+xinetd
+xmodmap
+(And this is really a list of what looks to me mandatory, I'm sure each
+here will make its own, with differences).
+
+As much as I'm willing to maintain packages, I don't think I'm the
+most qualified to take some of these. However, a distro without them
+maintained has no future :-(
+
+So I guess there is something wrong here. Or are we so few that nobody
+want to take these ?
+
+I'm willing to contribute, already &quot;own&quot; 29 pkgs (but some of these
+because I thought I'd rather take them than leave unmaintained, even if
+surprised) but don't have that much time, nor expertise to add the full
+list !
+
+Any taker ?
+Greetings,
+Bruno.
+--
+Open Source &amp; Linux Profession Lead EMEA <A HREF="http://opensource.hp.com">http://opensource.hp.com</A>
+Open Source Solutions Initiative Chief Technologist <A HREF="http://hpintelco.net">http://hpintelco.net</A>
+FLOSS projects: <A HREF="http://mondorescue.org">http://mondorescue.org</A> <A HREF="http://project-builder.org">http://project-builder.org</A>
+Musique ancienne? <A HREF="http://www.musique-ancienne.org">http://www.musique-ancienne.org</A> <A HREF="http://www.medieval.org">http://www.medieval.org</A>
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+ <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B>
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+<PRE>2011/11/28 Bruno Cornec &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">Bruno.Cornec at hp.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I received recently a mail from Samuel Verschelde asking me to look
+</I>&gt;<i> again at the list of un-maintained packages in mageia (either
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt</A> or by mgarepo maintdb
+</I>&gt;<i> get | grep nobody). Thanks for the reminder !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was really surprised of what I found, and I'm pretty sure some people
+</I>&gt;<i> have not registered themselves as package maintainer correctly. I can't
+</I>&gt;<i> believe we could have a working distribution without people in charge
+</I>&gt;<i> of:
+</I>&gt;<i> attr
+</I>&gt;<i> basesystem
+</I>&gt;<i> bind
+</I>&gt;<i> bison
+</I>&gt;<i> busybox
+</I>&gt;<i> cpio
+</I>&gt;<i> curl
+</I>&gt;<i> cvs
+</I>&gt;<i> docbook-*
+</I>&gt;<i> dosfstools
+</I>&gt;<i> findutils
+</I>&gt;<i> flex
+</I>&gt;<i> gdb
+</I>&gt;<i> ghostscript
+</I>&gt;<i> grub
+</I>&gt;<i> gzip
+</I>&gt;<i> initscripts
+</I>&gt;<i> inn
+</I>&gt;<i> keychain
+</I>&gt;<i> less
+</I>&gt;<i> lilo
+</I>&gt;<i> locales
+</I>&gt;<i> logrotate
+</I>&gt;<i> lzma
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-release
+</I>&gt;<i> man
+</I>&gt;<i> man-pages
+</I>&gt;<i> mkinitrd
+</I>&gt;<i> mt-st
+</I>&gt;<i> mtools
+</I>&gt;<i> ncurses
+</I>&gt;<i> netcat-traditional
+</I>&gt;<i> ntp
+</I>&gt;<i> openjade
+</I>&gt;<i> openssl
+</I>&gt;<i> openvpn
+</I>&gt;<i> pam
+</I>&gt;<i> parted
+</I>&gt;<i> passwd
+</I>&gt;<i> procmail
+</I>&gt;<i> sane
+</I>&gt;<i> sgml-common
+</I>&gt;<i> shorewall
+</I>&gt;<i> sqlite
+</I>&gt;<i> sudo
+</I>&gt;<i> sympa
+</I>&gt;<i> sysstat
+</I>&gt;<i> tcp_wrappers
+</I>&gt;<i> tcpdump
+</I>&gt;<i> tcsh
+</I>&gt;<i> termcap
+</I>&gt;<i> traceroute
+</I>&gt;<i> udev
+</I>&gt;<i> util-linux-ng
+</I>&gt;<i> xinetd
+</I>&gt;<i> xmodmap
+</I>&gt;<i> (And this is really a list of what looks to me mandatory, I'm sure each
+</I>&gt;<i> here will make its own, with differences).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As much as I'm willing to maintain packages, I don't think I'm the
+</I>&gt;<i> most qualified to take some of these. However, a distro without them
+</I>&gt;<i> maintained has no future :-(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I guess there is something wrong here. Or are we so few that nobody
+</I>&gt;<i> want to take these ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm willing to contribute, already &quot;own&quot; 29 pkgs (but some of these
+</I>&gt;<i> because I thought I'd rather take them than leave unmaintained, even if
+</I>&gt;<i> surprised) but don't have that much time, nor expertise to add the full
+</I>&gt;<i> list !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any taker ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Greetings,
+</I>&gt;<i> Bruno.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source &amp; Linux Profession Lead EMEA <A HREF="http://opensource.hp.com">http://opensource.hp.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source Solutions Initiative Chief Technologist <A HREF="http://hpintelco.net">http://hpintelco.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> FLOSS projects: <A HREF="http://mondorescue.org">http://mondorescue.org</A> <A HREF="http://project-builder.org">http://project-builder.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Musique ancienne? <A HREF="http://www.musique-ancienne.org">http://www.musique-ancienne.org</A> <A HREF="http://www.medieval.org">http://www.medieval.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+ <B>Kamil Rytarowski</B>
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+<PRE>On 28.11.2011 13:41, Bruno Cornec wrote:
+&gt;<i> (..)
+</I>&gt;<i> So I guess there is something wrong here. Or are we so few that nobody
+</I>&gt;<i> want to take these ?
+</I>Some time ago I made a list of unmaintained packages in basesystem-minimal:
+attr audit aumix basesystem common-licenses cpio cronie crontabs curl
+cyrus-sasl dash db48 dump elfutils etcskel ethtool findutils gdbm
+gettext glib2.0 gzip ifmetric initscripts kbd krb5 less libcap libdaemon
+libffi libidn libsigsegv libssh2 libtermcap libusb-compat libusb1
+libuser libxml2 logrotate mageia-release makedev meta-task mingetty
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+prcsys procps psmisc readline rootcerts rpmtools rsyslog run-parts sash
+setup shadow-utils sqlite3 sysvinit tcb termcap texinfo time timezone
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+<PRE>Le lundi 28 novembre 2011 &#224; 12:09 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 28.11.2011 11:32, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 28/11/2011 11:28, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; There were a few requests for TeamViewer in my local Mageia site - I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; suggest to add it to our repositories (probably as tainted and as a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; downloading script).
+</I>
+That's non-free, not tainted.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; They are better ways to contribute to the distribution than helping
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'poor little users' to install crappy proprietary software. Such as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; writing documentation about dependency management, for instance.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I wouldn't like to follow the OpenBSD way...
+</I>
+Why ?
+
+They managed to be a highly recognized system, seen as one of the best
+in his category, and was able to be developed since 1994.
+
+&gt;<i> There is software like
+</I>&gt;<i> TrueCrypt, Skype, TeamViewer that many users need. And there is no harm
+</I>&gt;<i> to add it to repositories.
+</I>
+I would like to remind that our focus is doing free software. And it is
+not &quot;becoming a dumping ground for proprietary software&quot;.
+
+There is several pragmatic reasons for that and, there is also some long
+term harm by shipping more and more proprietary software like :
+- we cannot support them ( no source code, most of the time, no proper
+bug report tools, anything ), with the implied consequence of &quot;we cannot
+trust them&quot;.
+
+- it also make the distinction between application we trust and buggy
+stuff that we don't ( skype, flash ) harder to see. We can no longer say
+to people &quot;you can trust us, everything in our repository is checked and
+supported&quot;, since this is not the case. So I personally no longer say to
+people to trust us because of that.
+
+- Most if not all proprietary softwares do not permit proper
+cooperation, which mean that we cannot plan much around it. So we cannot
+place them as proeminent features, unless we want to later risk not
+fullfilling our promises ( and I will not talk about how it goes against
+cooperation values ). This also place in a uncomfortable position since
+we are just treated as 2nd class citizen.
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+- such software can have a impact on migration to new softwares, and may
+requires us to keep old compatibility version, thus adding more QA and
+more complexity ( again, I can think of skype, who took a long time to
+support pulseaudio, thus forcing more hack to integrate, or the whole
+32b/64bits system who was solely needed just for stuff like flash or
+wine ).
+
+- some softwares like nvidia or flash are notoriously buggy, thus making
+our distribution look bad when it crash, make people lose time on it
+( <A HREF="http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=819">http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=819</A> ), and requires in depth changes to
+accommodate them.
+
+That's just very pragmatic high level points, explaining why we should
+avoid them. Please note that I do not even of ethics or anything, just
+real life impacts ( impact that people tend to forget to replace them by
+philosophical point since that's easier to dismiss as &quot;non important&quot;,
+but that's just wrong ).
+
+On a more precise point of distributing when the developers do not want
+us to do ( like flash, etc ), using a download script is just a ugly
+hack as said in the past, since :
+
+- it can break at each change of the website, thus requiring a quick
+fix, and sometimes a not so easy one ( what if adobe start to really
+protect flash download with a more convoluted approach, like some kind
+of JS ? ). So that's fragile and demanding more work.
+
+- it can be made illegal ( or at least, not authorized by the license
+that people never read ). Maybe it is already the case for some
+software. Maybe that's not legit to have a contract in electronic form.
+While the risk is IMHO rather low, things may changes. I am sure that
+Gael Duval didn't think &quot;I could have issues by creating a small
+distribution called mandrake&quot;. He rightfully thought he would be
+protected. Yet, I would rather be cautious to not be too adventurous,
+especially for non cooperative software.
+As a side note, that would be one reason for me to not propose myself as
+president and/or treasurer of the association ( or if I do, .
+
+- it doesn't work without a working internet connexion. While
+flash-plugin and skype are not useful without network access ( so that
+point is silly ), some others tools can be, and this would bring more
+frustration to people, and more risk of weird errors. I am pretty sure
+that people will be puzzled if everything work from their own mirror,
+except a few software.
+
+Personally, I aim for better stuff than fragile unsustainable hacks like
+this. And we should not start to settle on lower standards, especially
+if forced to us by non cooperative company or group. One could be
+tolerable. Two, likely. More, that's starting to generalize, and that's
+just sending the wrong signal to the whole community, and saying to
+company &quot;it is ok to treat us like parias&quot;. It is hard to be credible
+when saying &quot;we want to provides a solid system&quot; and in the same time,
+do the contrary.
+
+I doubt we will be able to bring real long term credibility and a
+reputation for quality if we go this way. People can just compare Ubuntu
+reputation to Debian one, and see which one was able to survive without
+spending million of dollars each year. And also which one serve as a
+base for the other.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>Le 28/11/2011 11:45, Robert Fox a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> There a few &quot;key&quot; proprietary softwares which make the Linux work a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> easier to integrate and play nice with the others . . . Like Skype,
+</I>&gt;<i> Picasa&amp; Teamviewer (to name a few). Other distros get this (like Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> Mint!):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/04/how-to-install-teamviewer-on-linux-mint-and-connect-to-windows/">http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/04/how-to-install-teamviewer-on-linux-mint-and-connect-to-windows/</A>
+</I>Why not switch to linux mint then, if you feel it better suited for your
+need ?
+
+I'm more and more concerned about this whole attitude: &quot;you guys should
+make my own life easier, because other already do it&quot;. That's just plain
+consumerism.
+
+--
+BOFH excuse #361:
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+Communist revolutionaries taking over the server room and demanding all
+the computers in the building or they shoot the sysadmin. Poor misguided
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+<PRE>Am 28.11.2011 14:55, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+&gt;<i> Le 28/11/2011 11:45, Robert Fox a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There a few &quot;key&quot; proprietary softwares which make the Linux work a bit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> easier to integrate and play nice with the others . . . Like Skype,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Picasa&amp; Teamviewer (to name a few). Other distros get this (like Linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mint!):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/04/how-to-install-teamviewer-on-linux-mint-and-connect-to-windows/">http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/04/how-to-install-teamviewer-on-linux-mint-and-connect-to-windows/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not switch to linux mint then, if you feel it better suited for your need ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm more and more concerned about this whole attitude: &quot;you guys should make
+</I>&gt;<i> my own life easier, because other already do it&quot;. That's just plain consumerism.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Uhmm, converse argument would that you want to make your life
+(and also that of other distribution users) harder because you don't
+want to be that consumer-like? Doesn't sound that reasonable to me,
+and please remember, it's not always plain black vs. white decisions.
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+I can live without a get-teamviewer package, but just because of the facts
+that i'm able to install/troubleshoot it without help, because i know
+the tools to do this (rpm/urpmi) and doing that for a long time.
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+In the end the question should be: Do we want to make the distribution
+just for ourselves, just for the sake of having &quot;our own&quot; linux distro,
+or do we want also some other people to use it, who aren't IT
+specialists, programmers or rocket scientists?
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+<PRE>Le 28/11/2011 15:00, Kira a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Error message:
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+</I>&gt;<i> /bin/systemctl: error while loading shared libraries:
+</I>&gt;<i> libsystemd-daemon.so.0: cannot open shared object
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+</I>&gt;<i> file: No such file or directory.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems something relating to drm....
+</I>Or to the men in black from the government.
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+More realistically, to some missing files in your initrd.
+--
+BOFH excuse #98:
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+The vendor put the bug there.
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+<PRE>Am Montag, 28. November 2011, 15:10:01 schrieb Florian Hubold:
+&gt;<i> Am 28.11.2011 14:55, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm more and more concerned about this whole attitude: &quot;you guys should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; make my own life easier, because other already do it&quot;. That's just
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; plain consumerism.
+</I>&gt;<i> Uhmm, converse argument would that you want to make your life
+</I>&gt;<i> (and also that of other distribution users) harder because you don't
+</I>&gt;<i> want to be that consumer-like? Doesn't sound that reasonable to me,
+</I>&gt;<i> and please remember, it's not always plain black vs. white decisions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can live without a get-teamviewer package, but just because of the facts
+</I>&gt;<i> that i'm able to install/troubleshoot it without help, because i know
+</I>&gt;<i> the tools to do this (rpm/urpmi) and doing that for a long time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the end the question should be: Do we want to make the distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> just for ourselves, just for the sake of having &quot;our own&quot; linux distro,
+</I>&gt;<i> or do we want also some other people to use it, who aren't IT
+</I>&gt;<i> specialists, programmers or rocket scientists?
+</I>
+I don't agree. I do think our main goal should be to provide a good linux
+distro with as few proprietary packages as possible.
+
+Ok, if it is about drivers, there's not a real choice, so I do advocate
+providing the nvidia/amd drivers for the graphics cards, the partly
+proprietary drivers for some network cards (especially wlan).
+This is a question of usability of the distro.
+
+But I don't like us providing more and more nonfree applications.
+It really is not that difficult to install things like flash, skype, teamviewer
+and so on.
+In my eyes it would be the far better solution to provide documentation on how
+to install them then provide a lot of those &quot;get-foo&quot; packages.
+
+Although &quot;easy usability&quot; is a good thing, people should remember they are
+working on the most complex machine they do have in their homes.
+While nobody expects to be able to use a modern video recorder without reading
+the manual first, everybody expects to be able to use a far more complex
+machine like a computer without reading anyting?
+
+I don't like to support that view, so why not tell people:
+&quot;We are an OpenSource project and our goal is to support OpenSource software.
+Now it is possible to install your precious applications, just look at this
+wiki page and you will be able to do it without a problem, but be aware, that
+is proprietary software and it would be better to find OpenSource
+alternatives.&quot;
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+Oliver
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+&gt;<i> Posted here as the officially listed maintainer hasn't actually updated
+</I>&gt;<i> the package according to svn, so I figured some exposure would be nice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+:<i>O
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+That would be me :P
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+&gt;<i> barjac&lt;barjac&gt; 0.63.0-9.mga2:
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+&gt;<i> Le 28/11/2011 11:45, Robert Fox a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There a few &quot;key&quot; proprietary softwares which make the Linux work a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; easier to integrate and play nice with the others . . . Like Skype,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Picasa&amp; Teamviewer (to name a few). Other distros get this (like Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mint!):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/04/how-to-install-teamviewer-on-linux-mint-and-connect-to-windows/">http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/04/how-to-install-teamviewer-on-linux-mint-and-connect-to-windows/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not switch to linux mint then, if you feel it better suited for your
+</I>&gt;<i> need ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm more and more concerned about this whole attitude: &quot;you guys should
+</I>&gt;<i> make my own life easier, because other already do it&quot;. That's just plain
+</I>&gt;<i> consumerism.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I have switched to Linux Mint already - testing it and all. Yet my main
+distro is Mageia/Cauldron (coming from Mandriva/Cooker since 1999)
+You may have missed my point that some of us are required to play nicely
+with the other OSs and support &amp; communicate with others. That's why
+selected commercial softwares like Skype and Teamviewer are unavoidable.
+
+I apologize if I offended your sensibilities and will continue to
+support Mageia with upcoming releases.
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+Cheers,
+R.Fox
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+&gt;<i> Am Montag, 28. November 2011, 15:10:01 schrieb Florian Hubold:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Am 28.11.2011 14:55, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I'm more and more concerned about this whole attitude: &quot;you guys should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; make my own life easier, because other already do it&quot;. That's just
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; plain consumerism.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Uhmm, converse argument would that you want to make your life
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (and also that of other distribution users) harder because you don't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; want to be that consumer-like? Doesn't sound that reasonable to me,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and please remember, it's not always plain black vs. white decisions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I can live without a get-teamviewer package, but just because of the facts
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that i'm able to install/troubleshoot it without help, because i know
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the tools to do this (rpm/urpmi) and doing that for a long time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In the end the question should be: Do we want to make the distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; just for ourselves, just for the sake of having &quot;our own&quot; linux distro,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or do we want also some other people to use it, who aren't IT
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; specialists, programmers or rocket scientists?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't agree. I do think our main goal should be to provide a good linux
+</I>&gt;<i> distro with as few proprietary packages as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, if it is about drivers, there's not a real choice, so I do advocate
+</I>&gt;<i> providing the nvidia/amd drivers for the graphics cards, the partly
+</I>&gt;<i> proprietary drivers for some network cards (especially wlan).
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a question of usability of the distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I don't like us providing more and more nonfree applications.
+</I>&gt;<i> It really is not that difficult to install things like flash, skype, teamviewer
+</I>&gt;<i> and so on.
+</I>&gt;<i> In my eyes it would be the far better solution to provide documentation on how
+</I>&gt;<i> to install them then provide a lot of those &quot;get-foo&quot; packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Although &quot;easy usability&quot; is a good thing, people should remember they are
+</I>&gt;<i> working on the most complex machine they do have in their homes.
+</I>&gt;<i> While nobody expects to be able to use a modern video recorder without reading
+</I>&gt;<i> the manual first, everybody expects to be able to use a far more complex
+</I>&gt;<i> machine like a computer without reading anyting?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't like to support that view, so why not tell people:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;We are an OpenSource project and our goal is to support OpenSource software.
+</I>&gt;<i> Now it is possible to install your precious applications, just look at this
+</I>&gt;<i> wiki page and you will be able to do it without a problem, but be aware, that
+</I>&gt;<i> is proprietary software and it would be better to find OpenSource
+</I>&gt;<i> alternatives.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 28 novembre 2011 &#224; 15:10 +0100, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 28.11.2011 14:55, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 28/11/2011 11:45, Robert Fox a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; There a few &quot;key&quot; proprietary softwares which make the Linux work a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; easier to integrate and play nice with the others . . . Like Skype,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Picasa&amp; Teamviewer (to name a few). Other distros get this (like Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mint!):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/04/how-to-install-teamviewer-on-linux-mint-and-connect-to-windows/">http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/04/how-to-install-teamviewer-on-linux-mint-and-connect-to-windows/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Why not switch to linux mint then, if you feel it better suited for your need ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm more and more concerned about this whole attitude: &quot;you guys should make
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; my own life easier, because other already do it&quot;. That's just plain consumerism.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Uhmm, converse argument would that you want to make your life
+</I>&gt;<i> (and also that of other distribution users) harder because you don't
+</I>&gt;<i> want to be that consumer-like? Doesn't sound that reasonable to me,
+</I>&gt;<i> and please remember, it's not always plain black vs. white decisions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can live without a get-teamviewer package, but just because of the facts
+</I>&gt;<i> that i'm able to install/troubleshoot it without help, because i know
+</I>&gt;<i> the tools to do this (rpm/urpmi) and doing that for a long time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the end the question should be: Do we want to make the distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> just for ourselves, just for the sake of having &quot;our own&quot; linux distro,
+</I>&gt;<i> or do we want also some other people to use it, who aren't IT
+</I>&gt;<i> specialists, programmers or rocket scientists?
+</I>
+That's a false dichotomy.
+Have you seen the price of teamviewer ?
+If you didn't, just check :
+
+<A HREF="http://www.teamviewer.com/en/licensing/index.aspx">http://www.teamviewer.com/en/licensing/index.aspx</A>
+
+So if a company can give this amount of money to use teamviewer, I think
+they can also spend a little to have a sysadmin able to install it.
+
+For the others people ( ie those covered by &quot;private use&quot; ), that's a
+tool for advanced users. Since teamviewer is likely used for remote
+assistance, at least one of the participant is knowledgeable in IT.
+
+And so the so-called &quot;advanced users&quot; should surely be able to download
+a tarball and run the only executable in the tarball to start it.
+
+That's not harder than doing the same on windows, and people are
+perfectly able to do it.
+
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 15:25 +0100, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am Montag, 28. November 2011, 15:10:01 schrieb Florian Hubold:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 28.11.2011 14:55, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm more and more concerned about this whole attitude: &quot;you guys should
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> make my own life easier, because other already do it&quot;. That's just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> plain consumerism.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Uhmm, converse argument would that you want to make your life
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (and also that of other distribution users) harder because you don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> want to be that consumer-like? Doesn't sound that reasonable to me,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and please remember, it's not always plain black vs. white decisions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I can live without a get-teamviewer package, but just because of the facts
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that i'm able to install/troubleshoot it without help, because i know
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the tools to do this (rpm/urpmi) and doing that for a long time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In the end the question should be: Do we want to make the distribution
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> just for ourselves, just for the sake of having &quot;our own&quot; linux distro,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or do we want also some other people to use it, who aren't IT
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> specialists, programmers or rocket scientists?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't agree. I do think our main goal should be to provide a good linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distro with as few proprietary packages as possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok, if it is about drivers, there's not a real choice, so I do advocate
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> providing the nvidia/amd drivers for the graphics cards, the partly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proprietary drivers for some network cards (especially wlan).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is a question of usability of the distro.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But I don't like us providing more and more nonfree applications.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It really is not that difficult to install things like flash, skype, teamviewer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and so on.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In my eyes it would be the far better solution to provide documentation on how
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to install them then provide a lot of those &quot;get-foo&quot; packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Although &quot;easy usability&quot; is a good thing, people should remember they are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> working on the most complex machine they do have in their homes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While nobody expects to be able to use a modern video recorder without reading
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the manual first, everybody expects to be able to use a far more complex
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> machine like a computer without reading anyting?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't like to support that view, so why not tell people:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;We are an OpenSource project and our goal is to support OpenSource software.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now it is possible to install your precious applications, just look at this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wiki page and you will be able to do it without a problem, but be aware, that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is proprietary software and it would be better to find OpenSource
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alternatives.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> ++1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Oliver summarized it pretty good there, that's also my general opinion.
+But on the other hand, i see all the support issues relating to these
+programs, even when we have MAQeia in the forums (most asked questions)
+for that there are still a ton of forum request about these, so
+obviously we still have to improve on that.
+
+Either by making it easier to install/use things, or by writing better
+documentation which is also better and easier visible to the average user.
+
+Sorry for my last post, which was not worded well enough to adress
+the issue(s) we're discussing here.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 28/11/11 14:00 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Error message:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /bin/systemctl: error while loading shared libraries:
+</I>&gt;<i> libsystemd-daemon.so.0: cannot open shared object
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> file: No such file or directory.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems something relating to drm....
+</I>
+Lemme guess, /usr is on a separate partition?
+
+Col
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+<PRE>&#22312; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:42:41 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Kira at 28/11/11 14:00 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Error message:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /bin/systemctl: error while loading shared libraries:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libsystemd-daemon.so.0: cannot open shared object
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file: No such file or directory.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It seems something relating to drm....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Lemme guess, /usr is on a separate partition?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes....
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+Hello,
+I'm long time user of Xfce and I have one topic I'd like to discuss.
+I'm not able to change/remove any default keyboard shortcuts, but the
+defined by user are working properly. Is it intention (why?) or bug?
+
+Petos
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Juan Luis Baptiste at 28/11/11 14:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:49 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Posted here as the officially listed maintainer hasn't actually updated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the package according to svn, so I figured some exposure would be nice.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> :O
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would be me :P
+</I>
+\o/
+
+&gt;<i> But what I have to do to libify it ? I really don't have a clue of
+</I>&gt;<i> what that means :(
+</I>
+General info here:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Libraries_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Libraries_policy</A>
+
+But in this particular case:
+
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+The file list just now looks like:
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> pulseaudio (master)]$ rpm -ql oxygen-gtk3
+/usr/bin/oxygen-gtk3-demo
+/usr/lib64/gtk-3.0/3.0.0/theming-engines/liboxygen-gtk.so
+/usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk
+/usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk/gtk-3.0
+/usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk/gtk-3.0/argb-apps.conf
+/usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk/gtk-3.0/gtk.css
+/usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk/gtk-3.0/icons4
+/usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk/gtk-3.0/kdeglobals
+/usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk/gtk-3.0/oxygenrc
+/usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk/gtk-3.0/special-icons
+/usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk/gtk-3.0/special-icons/standardbutton-closetab-16.png
+/usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk/gtk-3.0/special-icons/standardbutton-closetab-down-16.png
+/usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk/gtk-3.0/special-icons/standardbutton-closetab-hover-16.png
+
+As you can see three things have been bundled together there:
+ 1. The demo binary
+ 2. The library used for the theme engine
+ 3. Architecture independent data files
+
+This means that if I want to have both:
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+/usr/lib64/gtk-3.0/3.0.0/theming-engines/liboxygen-gtk.so
+ and
+/usr/lib/gtk-3.0/3.0.0/theming-engines/liboxygen-gtk.so
+
+installed at the same time, I'm out of luck.
+
+It is technically possible to have two packages of the same name
+installed at the same time, but only if the common files between them do
+not conflict. Even so this is somewhat ugly.
+
+So the idea is to package up the library part separately so that both
+version can be installed.
+
+In this case the library package should be called &quot;lib64oxygen-gtk3&quot;
+(aka &quot;%mklibname oxygen-gtk3&quot; in the spec file).
+
+
+Now in theory it might be nice to separate out the arch independent
+stuff and the test binary too. This would save space on the mirrors by
+only needing to have one version of all the artwork rather than separate
+copies for each arch (it's done with hard links), tho' in this
+particular case it wouldn't result in much saving.
+
+
+So you could but the test files in oxygen-gtk3-test, the library in the
+the afore mentioned library name and leave the oxygen-gtk3 package with
+data only and flag it as noarch.
+
+This isn't exactly how oxygen-gtk package does it (it puts the test
+binary and the arch independent stuff together in the oxygen-gtk
+package), but hopefully you catch the drift :)
+
+
+
+HTHs
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+Open Source:
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 28/11/11 16:43 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:42:41 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Kira at 28/11/11 14:00 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Error message:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /bin/systemctl: error while loading shared libraries:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libsystemd-daemon.so.0: cannot open shared object
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file: No such file or directory.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It seems something relating to drm....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Lemme guess, /usr is on a separate partition?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes....
+</I>
+Yeah this is not 100% supported at the moment. We need to make sure the
+initrd does the mounting for you, but I'm not sure it does at the moment
+(I've not specifically tested it).
+
+Is there an exotic filesystem on it? LVM or similar or is it just a nice
+simple FS straight on to the disk?
+
+If it's got LVM we'll have some issues overall, but otherwise it should
+be possible to make dracut mount the disk for you, but I've simply not
+had time to look into this kind of setup.
+
+Col
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Bringing a small bit of controversy, not on the very topic, sorry, but
+on a few remarks.
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+On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 15:25, Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Am Montag, 28. November 2011, 15:10:01 schrieb Florian Hubold:
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't agree. I do think our main goal should be to provide a good linux
+</I>&gt;<i> distro with as few proprietary packages as possible.
+</I>
+Guys, please reread our announcement
+(<A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/about/2010-sept-announcement.html">http://mageia.org/en/about/2010-sept-announcement.html</A> ); quoting a
+small part of it: &quot;keep a high-level of integration between the base
+system, the desktop (KDE/GNOME) and applications; especially improve
+third-parties (be it free or proprietary software) integration;&quot;.
+
+That was a plan, and plans are made to change and adapt, but still.
+
+&gt;<i> But I don't like us providing more and more nonfree applications.
+</I>
+If we are not to provide (that is package, host and distribute - and
+that is perfectly fair) these, couldn't we at least ease that for
+others (that would like to package their own apps, or host a specific,
+separate repository of nonfree apps that would still appeal to a
+significant fraction of users)? That would mean some more doc and
+tools for 3rd party packagers. And would solve in the same time one of
+the question that was opened on Council and not yet ported to -dev
+(aka, very large nonfree packages, such as games -data).
+
+Or do we let them in the cold?
+
+&gt;<i> It really is not that difficult to install things like flash, skype, teamviewer
+</I>&gt;<i> and so on.
+</I>&gt;<i> In my eyes it would be the far better solution to provide documentation on how
+</I>&gt;<i> to install them then provide a lot of those &quot;get-foo&quot; packages.
+</I>
+Right.
+
+&gt;<i> Although &quot;easy usability&quot; is a good thing, people should remember they are
+</I>&gt;<i> working on the most complex machine they do have in their homes.
+</I>
+They wouldn't use it if they had this in mind. No one would. :-)
+
+&gt;<i> While nobody expects to be able to use a modern video recorder without reading
+</I>&gt;<i> the manual first, everybody expects to be able to use a far more complex
+</I>&gt;<i> machine like a computer without reading anyting?
+</I>
+That's a fallacy. There's no excuse for making things more complicated
+that they need to be.
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+It's not absurd that most people _expect_ that installing an
+application on their system is as simple (and as safe) as a drag'n
+drop or as typing an URL in their browser. Their focus is beyond that.
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+Romain
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+<PRE>Le lundi 28 novembre 2011 14:40:34, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Personally, I aim for better stuff than fragile unsustainable hacks like
+</I>&gt;<i> this. And we should not start to settle on lower standards, especially
+</I>&gt;<i> if forced to us by non cooperative company or group. One could be
+</I>&gt;<i> tolerable. Two, likely. More, that's starting to generalize, and that's
+</I>&gt;<i> just sending the wrong signal to the whole community, and saying to
+</I>&gt;<i> company &quot;it is ok to treat us like parias&quot;. It is hard to be credible
+</I>&gt;<i> when saying &quot;we want to provides a solid system&quot; and in the same time,
+</I>&gt;<i> do the contrary.
+</I>
+Teamviewer is allowed to offer a rpm for Mageia on its own website.
+If it does not work it is a problem for them, not for us.
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+Pierre Jarillon - <A HREF="http://pjarillon.free.fr/">http://pjarillon.free.fr/</A>
+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org/">http://abul.org/</A>
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+<PRE>&#22312; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:54:53 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i> Yeah this is not 100% supported at the moment. We need to make sure the
+</I>&gt;<i> initrd does the mounting for you, but I'm not sure it does at the moment
+</I>&gt;<i> (I've not specifically tested it).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there an exotic filesystem on it? LVM or similar or is it just a nice
+</I>&gt;<i> simple FS straight on to the disk?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If it's got LVM we'll have some issues overall, but otherwise it should
+</I>&gt;<i> be possible to make dracut mount the disk for you, but I've simply not
+</I>&gt;<i> had time to look into this kind of setup.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>NO LVM, just pure filesystem on it.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 28/11/11 17:44 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:54:53 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah this is not 100% supported at the moment. We need to make sure the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> initrd does the mounting for you, but I'm not sure it does at the moment
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (I've not specifically tested it).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there an exotic filesystem on it? LVM or similar or is it just a nice
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simple FS straight on to the disk?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If it's got LVM we'll have some issues overall, but otherwise it should
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be possible to make dracut mount the disk for you, but I've simply not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> had time to look into this kind of setup.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> NO LVM, just pure filesystem on it.
+</I>
+Cool, then it should be easy enough to support this in dracut, but I'll
+need to investigate it a bit more to see exactly how.
+
+Will try and do that over the next few days.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>&#22312; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 02:38:29 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cool, then it should be easy enough to support this in dracut, but I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> need to investigate it a bit more to see exactly how.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will try and do that over the next few days.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I forget to mention. The old kernel works fine, only the update
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+yesterday is broken.
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+[changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.1.3-1.mga2:
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+&gt;<i>Name : kernel Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i>Version : 3.1.3 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i>Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Sun Nov 27
+</I>&gt;<i>16:55:15 2011
+</I>
+&gt;<i>tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 3.1.3-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i>+ Revision: 172918
+</I>
+Hello Thomas,
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+I remark that on an already systemd enabled Cauldron (*), the grub parameter
+is now added 'init=/sbin/systemd'. Is this always needed? Or just added in
+case it is not already configured okay?
+
+TIA &amp; best regards,
+=Dick Gevers=
+
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+(*) as per previous discussions on this ML and/or systemd documentation.
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> There is several pragmatic reasons for that and, there is also some long
+</I>&gt;<i> term harm by shipping more and more proprietary software like :
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> Personally, I aim for better stuff than fragile unsustainable hacks like
+</I>&gt;<i> this. And we should not start to settle on lower standards, especially
+</I>&gt;<i> if forced to us by non cooperative company or group. One could be
+</I>&gt;<i> tolerable. Two, likely. More, that's starting to generalize, and that's
+</I>&gt;<i> just sending the wrong signal to the whole community, and saying to
+</I>&gt;<i> company &quot;it is ok to treat us like parias&quot;. It is hard to be credible
+</I>&gt;<i> when saying &quot;we want to provides a solid system&quot; and in the same time,
+</I>&gt;<i> do the contrary.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I doubt we will be able to bring real long term credibility and a
+</I>&gt;<i> reputation for quality if we go this way. People can just compare Ubuntu
+</I>&gt;<i> reputation to Debian one, and see which one was able to survive without
+</I>&gt;<i> spending million of dollars each year. And also which one serve as a
+</I>&gt;<i> base for the other.
+</I>
+You touch some interesting points here, and I appreciate you here explaining
+your personal opinion, I'm beginning to see more clearly your reasoning in the
+past, and my own reasoning. I believe i may have to review my own pov here...
+
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+<PRE>Op maandag 28 november 2011 14:09:16 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+&gt;<i> On 28.11.2011 13:41, Bruno Cornec wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (..)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So I guess there is something wrong here. Or are we so few that nobody
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; want to take these ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some time ago I made a list of unmaintained packages in basesystem-minimal:
+</I>&gt;<i> attr audit aumix basesystem common-licenses cpio cronie crontabs curl
+</I>&gt;<i> cyrus-sasl dash db48 dump elfutils etcskel ethtool findutils gdbm
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+</I>&gt;<i> libuser libxml2 logrotate mageia-release makedev meta-task mingetty
+</I>&gt;<i> ncurses net-tools nspr nss openssl pam pam_userpass passwd pcre popt
+</I>&gt;<i> prcsys procps psmisc readline rootcerts rpmtools rsyslog run-parts sash
+</I>&gt;<i> setup shadow-utils sqlite3 sysvinit tcb termcap texinfo time timezone
+</I>&gt;<i> udev utempter which
+</I>
+aumix is in basesystem-minimal? are you certain? perhaps you forgot a --no-
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+<PRE>2011/11/28 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Op maandag 28 november 2011 14:09:16 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 28.11.2011 13:41, Bruno Cornec wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; (..)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So I guess there is something wrong here. Or are we so few that nobody
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; want to take these ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Some time ago I made a list of unmaintained packages in
+</I>&gt;<i> basesystem-minimal:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; attr audit aumix basesystem common-licenses cpio cronie crontabs curl
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cyrus-sasl dash db48 dump elfutils etcskel ethtool findutils gdbm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gettext glib2.0 gzip ifmetric initscripts kbd krb5 less libcap libdaemon
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libffi libidn libsigsegv libssh2 libtermcap libusb-compat libusb1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libuser libxml2 logrotate mageia-release makedev meta-task mingetty
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ncurses net-tools nspr nss openssl pam pam_userpass passwd pcre popt
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; prcsys procps psmisc readline rootcerts rpmtools rsyslog run-parts sash
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; setup shadow-utils sqlite3 sysvinit tcb termcap texinfo time timezone
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; udev utempter which
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> aumix is in basesystem-minimal? are you certain? perhaps you forgot a --no-
+</I>&gt;<i> suggests?
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On 28.11.2011 21:15, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op maandag 28 november 2011 14:09:16 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 28.11.2011 13:41, Bruno Cornec wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (..)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So I guess there is something wrong here. Or are we so few that nobody
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> want to take these ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some time ago I made a list of unmaintained packages in basesystem-minimal:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> attr audit aumix basesystem common-licenses cpio cronie crontabs curl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cyrus-sasl dash db48 dump elfutils etcskel ethtool findutils gdbm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gettext glib2.0 gzip ifmetric initscripts kbd krb5 less libcap libdaemon
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libffi libidn libsigsegv libssh2 libtermcap libusb-compat libusb1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libuser libxml2 logrotate mageia-release makedev meta-task mingetty
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ncurses net-tools nspr nss openssl pam pam_userpass passwd pcre popt
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> prcsys procps psmisc readline rootcerts rpmtools rsyslog run-parts sash
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> setup shadow-utils sqlite3 sysvinit tcb termcap texinfo time timezone
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> udev utempter which
+</I>&gt;<i> aumix is in basesystem-minimal? are you certain? perhaps you forgot a --no-
+</I>&gt;<i> suggests?
+</I>basesystem-minimal --no-suggests requires aumix-text, and this is a part
+of aumix source package.
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+<PRE>Jerome Quelin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 11/11/07 12:36 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We have in Mageia concurrently ispell, aspell, myspell and hunspell
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + voikko and hspell.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i just got assigned a bug report to drop perl-Lingua-Ispell. that's fine
+</I>&gt;<i> for me (since the package is not a dependency for other packages), but
+</I>&gt;<i> how are we supposed to make this move?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't want to add a provides: / obsoletes: in other packages, since
+</I>&gt;<i> that's not a one for one api-compliant replacement.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so i there some kind of meta-package which is responsible for obsoleting
+</I>&gt;<i> packages that should be uninstalled?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i> j&#233;r&#244;me
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Why not do what boklm suggested on Mageia-dev (2011-11-20 18:01) :
+----
+There is a directory to move old packages that are no longer needed, but
+still keep them available in case they are needed later :
+<A HREF="svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsolete/">svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsolete/</A>
+
+So you can move the package there instead of removing it :
+svn mv svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/&lt;pkg">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/&lt;pkg</A>&gt; svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsolete/">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsolete/</A>
+----
+
+or alternately, as suggested by someone else :
+----
+Just svn rm&lt;adress_sv_ssh&gt;/cauldron/&lt;pkg&gt;/current I think
+----
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Hi,
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+in order to get more testing, i've decided to submit to cauldron core/release,
+however there lies a problem:
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+Since everything is almost exact with mysql, same files and such, there are
+some library conflicts which would present always a choice if we want both
+mysql and mariadb (in particular libmysqlclient.so.X). Since we also want this
+really used at build/link time one of both versions should be used.
+
+considering that mariadb mysql client works perfectly for both mysql and
+mariadb. and that mysql mysql-client may not work perfectly for local servers
+due to the my.cnf file being used for both client and server (mysql client is
+supported for remote mariadb servers), I'd like to use the mariadb client
+packages.
+
+The way I see it, there are 2 possibilities:
+A. I remove the mysql-client, libmysqlclient, mysql-common and assorted
+packages from mysql, and provide them with mariadb, since libmysqlclient is
+drop-in replacable (same library ABI and such), there is not 100% requirement
+of rebuilding all libmysqlclient dependant programs.
+
+advantages:
+ - both mariadb and mysql servers are present, people can choose
+disadvantages:
+ - more QA
+ - more work for me
+
+B. We drop mysql completely and submit mariadb
+
+advantages:
+ - less work for me
+ - less work for QA
+disadvantages:
+ - mysql is completely gone.
+
+If I get to choose, i'd know which one i would choose, but I'd like some
+feedback on this point.
+
+Some more bordering information:
+ - mariadb has XtraDB, which is essentially a patched InnoDB (it also supplies
+an exact vanilla InnoDB as a plugin)
+ - mariadb still has myISAM support
+ - mariadb has as a default storage engine Aria (which can be used either as
+transactional and as non-transactional)
+ - the files are exactly the same as mysql, it's still mysqld, mysql for client
+so upgrading issues should be minimal, but still tested, of course.
+
+so please, test mariadb, build stuff against lib64mariadbclient18 , and give
+opinion to which option to choose: A/B .
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+<PRE>Le 28/11/2011 05:39, Robert Fox a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I just wanted to understand why the package from the website states
+</I>&gt;<i> 32/64 bit but so much 32 bit stuff needs to be installed. I am also not
+</I>&gt;<i> cure that the 32 bit versions of the needed requires will conflict with
+</I>&gt;<i> their 64 bit counterparts. I prefer not to mix and match when possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>They likely mean that it will work on either 32 or 64 bits systems. This in no way means that they have both 32 bits and 64 bits even though it is phrase in such a way that you might think that is the case. Some people would call this good marketing while
+other would qualify this as bullshit.
+
+This shows a flaw in urpmi though, why doesn't it do like yum and and ask you if you want to install the required packages?
+
+Michel Catudal
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+<PRE>Le 28/11/2011 08:40, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 28 novembre 2011 &#224; 12:09 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I wouldn't like to follow the OpenBSD way...
+</I>&gt;<i> Why ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They managed to be a highly recognized system, seen as one of the best
+</I>&gt;<i> in his category, and was able to be developed since 1994.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+They also have a very small user base.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> There is software like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> TrueCrypt, Skype, TeamViewer that many users need. And there is no harm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to add it to repositories.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to remind that our focus is doing free software. And it is
+</I>&gt;<i> not &quot;becoming a dumping ground for proprietary software&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>It shouldn't be but making it impossible to install those would also be a mistake.
+Skype for instance is often a requirement for many of us, not just a wish.
+
+I can understand the frustration at proprietary vendors but sometimes you have no choice.
+For example for Nvidia the standard Linux driver sucks big time and the only good driver at this time is the one from Nvidia.
+
+Atmel uses to be very nice to Linux users until they realized that they no longer needed Linux for the AVR32 since they moved to non OS AVR32.
+I think that the biggest thing that prompted Atmel to stop supporting Linux was the constant changes in boost and glibc (to name two culprits). It seems that at each new release their avr32gdbproxy stopped working. That reminded many of the Microsoft war
+against Lotus and Borland. (A good dos is one where Lotus doesn't work). Some people's goal is to keep all proprietary software from working.
+After many attempts to get their software to work again Atmel seem to have decided to abandon.
+For some free software fanatics, they must do all they can to free Linux from any proprietary software. Atmel has no interest in helping Microchip or Freescale to beat them on the market place so they cannot release certain information. This in turn
+forces us to go to windows if no Linux stuff is available.
+
+Not to worry on the AVR32 front as I am working on an alternative for Linux. So far I got all the binaries, next step is to handle hardware debugging.
+At this time I have to run Scientific Linux to get their avr32gdbproxy to work. It core dumps on Mageia. It also does on most new distribution as well.
+Scientific Linux being a mix of Fedora 12 and 13 makes it possible for their fedora 12 release to work.
+
+Following their decision to only support windows most Linux users got the shaft. It is one thing to hold some principles and an other one to have to face reality.
+We need to be reasonable and not fanatic.
+
+Having said that I don't think that it is a good idea to have a &quot;tainted&quot; section, A &quot;non free&quot; section is good enough.
+
+&gt;<i> There is several pragmatic reasons for that and, there is also some long
+</I>&gt;<i> term harm by shipping more and more proprietary software like :
+</I>&gt;<i> - we cannot support them ( no source code, most of the time, no proper
+</I>&gt;<i> bug report tools, anything ), with the implied consequence of &quot;we cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> trust them&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - it also make the distinction between application we trust and buggy
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff that we don't ( skype, flash ) harder to see. We can no longer say
+</I>&gt;<i> to people &quot;you can trust us, everything in our repository is checked and
+</I>&gt;<i> supported&quot;, since this is not the case. So I personally no longer say to
+</I>&gt;<i> people to trust us because of that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Most if not all proprietary softwares do not permit proper
+</I>&gt;<i> cooperation, which mean that we cannot plan much around it. So we cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> place them as proeminent features, unless we want to later risk not
+</I>&gt;<i> fullfilling our promises ( and I will not talk about how it goes against
+</I>&gt;<i> cooperation values ). This also place in a uncomfortable position since
+</I>&gt;<i> we are just treated as 2nd class citizen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Pissing people off is not necessarily a better alternative.
+Flash, nvidia and skype are a must. Making impossible to use it would result in people leaving Mageia.
+It would be very stupid idea to for exemple no longer provide easy installation of the nvidia driver.
+Yes I tried the free Nvidia driver, it is a piece of crap so I am stuck with the proprietary driver even though I would prefer not to.
+Reality is often painfull but we have to live with it.
+
+The proper course is to provide some proprietary driver when it is impossible to have a good free alternative.
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in order to get more testing, i've decided to submit to cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> core/release,&#160; however there lies a problem:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The way I see it, there are 2 possibilities:
+</I>&gt;<i> A. I remove the mysql-client, libmysqlclient, mysql-common and assorted
+</I>&gt;<i> packages from mysql, and provide them with mariadb, since libmysqlclient
+</I>&gt;<i> is&#160; drop-in replacable (same library ABI and such), there is not 100%
+</I>&gt;<i> requirement&#160; of rebuilding all libmysqlclient dependant programs.
+</I>&gt;<i> B. We drop mysql completely and submit mariadb
+</I>
+My vote is for B, but A works for me as well.
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+<PRE>Le lundi 28 novembre 2011 20:55:10 Michel Catudal a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> This shows a flaw in urpmi though, why doesn't it do like yum and and ask
+</I>&gt;<i> you if you want to install the required packages?
+</I>How can urpmi install a package which simply does not exist in mageia or where
+the requires does not exist ?
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+Urpmi is working as expected here, since this package was probably build on a
+fedora/suse/whatelse which a specific build environnement which is != of what
+provides mageia.
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+On 11/11/28 17:28 -0500, andre999 wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt;so i there some kind of meta-package which is responsible for obsoleting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;packages that should be uninstalled?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not do what boklm suggested on Mageia-dev (2011-11-20 18:01) :
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i> There is a directory to move old packages that are no longer needed, but
+</I>&gt;<i> still keep them available in case they are needed later :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsolete/">svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsolete/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So you can move the package there instead of removing it :
+</I>&gt;<i> svn mv svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/&lt;pkg">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/&lt;pkg</A>&gt; svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsolete/">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsolete/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or alternately, as suggested by someone else :
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i> Just svn rm&lt;adress_sv_ssh&gt;/cauldron/&lt;pkg&gt;/current I think
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>
+you don't answer the question. i'm not asking what to do in svn, that's
+pretty easy. but if we do only what you suggest, then the packages will
+stay installed on systems upgraded from mageia 1. and if the package is
+unmaintained, we don't want that to happen: we want the package to be
+uninstalled from all mageia 2 installs.
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+the question is: how? which package is to obsolete the list of unwanted
+softs?
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+j&#233;r&#244;me
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+&gt;<i> B. We drop mysql completely and submit mariadb
+</I>
+Don't mind a somewhat opinionated distribution. Also think about
+support. Do you want to provide twice the support for almost the same
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+&gt;<i> Op maandag 28 november 2011 14:40:34 schreef Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There is several pragmatic reasons for that and, there is also some long
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; term harm by shipping more and more proprietary software like :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Personally, I aim for better stuff than fragile unsustainable hacks like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this. And we should not start to settle on lower standards, especially
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if forced to us by non cooperative company or group. One could be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tolerable. Two, likely. More, that's starting to generalize, and that's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; just sending the wrong signal to the whole community, and saying to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; company &quot;it is ok to treat us like parias&quot;. It is hard to be credible
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; when saying &quot;we want to provides a solid system&quot; and in the same time,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; do the contrary.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I doubt we will be able to bring real long term credibility and a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; reputation for quality if we go this way. People can just compare Ubuntu
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; reputation to Debian one, and see which one was able to survive without
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; spending million of dollars each year. And also which one serve as a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; base for the other.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You touch some interesting points here, and I appreciate you here explaining
+</I>&gt;<i> your personal opinion, I'm beginning to see more clearly your reasoning in the
+</I>&gt;<i> past, and my own reasoning. I believe i may have to review my own pov here...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>
+I also see some of the valid points, but bottom line - is that Mageia
+should help create working packages for the bigger ticket items (like
+Skype) - in a cooperative spirit.
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+We are not proposing that such packages be included in the ISOs - just
+available in a repository which we can trust and know that it works . .
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+That's all we ask for . .
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+Cheers,
+R.Fox
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+&gt;<i> the question is: how? which package is to obsolete the list of unwanted
+</I>&gt;<i> softs?
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+I suggest a task-obsolete meta package. Similar to task-gnome and so on.
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+&gt;<i> We are not proposing that such packages be included in the ISOs - just
+</I>&gt;<i> available in a repository which we can trust and know that it works . .
+</I>And that's the problem. As misc pointed out, we can't really trust proprietary
+stuff. No one has any control on the contents of those programms.
+And thus we cannot guarantee, that it works. If we add such a package now, it
+might work now, but what happens, if we change any library or whatever?
+And since it's not OpenSource, we can't fix it, if it's broken.
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+And to be honest: What is so complicated about installing skype, teamviewer or
+whatever proprietary crap from the vendor's homepage?
+Oh sure, it might force you to read a bit about what you are doing :/
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+&gt;<i> Le 28/11/2011 08:40, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 28 novembre 2011 &#224; 12:09 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I wouldn't like to follow the OpenBSD way...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They managed to be a highly recognized system, seen as one of the best
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in his category, and was able to be developed since 1994.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They also have a very small user base.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There is software like
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> TrueCrypt, Skype, TeamViewer that many users need. And there is no harm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to add it to repositories.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to remind that our focus is doing free software. And it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not &quot;becoming a dumping ground for proprietary software&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It shouldn't be but making it impossible to install those would also be a mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i> Skype for instance is often a requirement for many of us, not just a wish.
+</I>
+We're not making it impossible to install proprietary software, and
+nobody suggested doing that.
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+&gt;<i> Am Dienstag, 29. November 2011, 10:07:16 schrieb Robert Fox:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We are not proposing that such packages be included in the ISOs - just
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; available in a repository which we can trust and know that it works . .
+</I>&gt;<i> And that's the problem. As misc pointed out, we can't really trust proprietary
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff. No one has any control on the contents of those programms.
+</I>&gt;<i> And thus we cannot guarantee, that it works. If we add such a package now, it
+</I>&gt;<i> might work now, but what happens, if we change any library or whatever?
+</I>&gt;<i> And since it's not OpenSource, we can't fix it, if it's broken.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And to be honest: What is so complicated about installing skype, teamviewer or
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever proprietary crap from the vendor's homepage?
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh sure, it might force you to read a bit about what you are doing :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>
+I agree with you that Mageia can't guarantee that such proprietary
+software will function - or that it may break with future library
+changes. I am also not asking Mageia to trust third party, proprietary
+software. All I am asking is that Mageia recognise the need for the end
+users to co-exist with their Mac / Winblows counterparts, and that
+certain software is unavoidable. Any efforts made to help get such
+software to work properly with our distribution would be considered
+positive. We shouldn't have to guarantee ANYTHING, just make a
+concerted effort to get such software to play nice with our distro!
+
+If you watch what the &quot;other&quot; major distros are doing related to this
+topic - it may give a hint. I am NOT advocating that we have to be like
+them, I believe we need to offer the ability and the choice.
+
+As far as forcing someone to &quot;read a bit&quot; - some apps are more difficult
+than others to install - and the install methods are sometimes
+dramatically different (from tarball or from RPM or SRPM, etc). This is
+not always for the faint at heart. I personally have no problem in
+trying to install it myself, and research over the internet whether
+someone else has figured it out already - but one of the main reasons I
+stuck with Mandriva (and now Mageia) is that I always had a high chance
+of finding a working RPM or instructions how to get it to work under the
+distro.
+
+enough said . . . I will crawl back into my cave.
+
+Thx,
+R.Fox
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+I have no clue about which component to report the issue against in
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+</I>&gt;<i> If you watch what the &quot;other&quot; major distros are doing related to this
+</I>&gt;<i> topic - it may give a hint. I am NOT advocating that we have to be like
+</I>&gt;<i> them, I believe we need to offer the ability and the choice.
+</I>
+Yes, it can give a hint :
+- fedora does not provide any teamviewer package
+- opensuse does not provide any teamviewer package
+- debian does not provide any teamviewer package
+- ubuntu does not provide any teamviewer package
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 29 Nov 2011, Robert Fox wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If you watch what the &quot;other&quot; major distros are doing related to this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; topic - it may give a hint. I am NOT advocating that we have to be like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; them, I believe we need to offer the ability and the choice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, it can give a hint :
+</I>&gt;<i> - fedora does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;<i> - opensuse does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;<i> - debian does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;<i> - ubuntu does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Agreed.
+
+I just meant, if the package provided by the proprietary supplier does
+not work - then we should help ensure it does or make our own that works
+for those of us that needs such programs.
+
+Maybe we should have a voting system for our user base - like a wish
+list, and if enough people ask for it - we could consider it?
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+Just a thought.
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+Cheers,
+R.Fox
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 11:05 +0100, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 29 Nov 2011, Robert Fox wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; If you watch what the &quot;other&quot; major distros are doing related to this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; topic - it may give a hint. &#160;I am NOT advocating that we have to be like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; them, I believe we need to offer the ability and the choice.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, it can give a hint :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fedora does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - opensuse does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - debian does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - ubuntu does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just meant, if the package provided by the proprietary supplier does
+</I>&gt;<i> not work - then we should help ensure it does or make our own that works
+</I>&gt;<i> for those of us that needs such programs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we should have a voting system for our user base - like a wish
+</I>&gt;<i> list, and if enough people ask for it - we could consider it?
+</I>
+I don't like such system.
+If many people want something, it does not mean that this is a good
+idea and that there is not a better way to do it.
+People just vote for an idea that someone else wrote that would
+workaround their current problem instead of reporting what is really
+their problem so that we can fix it.
+A place to discuss request is IMHO more useful than a place to vote for them.
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 11:05 +0100, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, 29 Nov 2011, Robert Fox wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; If you watch what the &quot;other&quot; major distros are doing related to this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; topic - it may give a hint. I am NOT advocating that we have to be like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; them, I believe we need to offer the ability and the choice.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, it can give a hint :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - fedora does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - opensuse does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - debian does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - ubuntu does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just meant, if the package provided by the proprietary supplier does
+</I>&gt;<i> not work - then we should help ensure it does or make our own that works
+</I>&gt;<i> for those of us that needs such programs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we should have a voting system for our user base - like a wish
+</I>&gt;<i> list, and if enough people ask for it - we could consider it?
+</I>
+You are free to try to help teamviewer fix their package to make it work
+on Mageia, you can already do it now, there's no need to have a voting
+system to consider it.
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+ <B>Robert Fox</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 12:20 +0100, nicolas vigier wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 29 Nov 2011, Robert Fox wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 11:05 +0100, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Tue, 29 Nov 2011, Robert Fox wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; If you watch what the &quot;other&quot; major distros are doing related to this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; topic - it may give a hint. I am NOT advocating that we have to be like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; them, I believe we need to offer the ability and the choice.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Yes, it can give a hint :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - fedora does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - opensuse does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - debian does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - ubuntu does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Agreed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I just meant, if the package provided by the proprietary supplier does
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not work - then we should help ensure it does or make our own that works
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for those of us that needs such programs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe we should have a voting system for our user base - like a wish
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; list, and if enough people ask for it - we could consider it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You are free to try to help teamviewer fix their package to make it work
+</I>&gt;<i> on Mageia, you can already do it now, there's no need to have a voting
+</I>&gt;<i> system to consider it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sorry Nicolas - I would if I knew how, but unfortunately I am not a
+packager nor am I a developer with intimate knowledge of Mageia - I am
+simply a power user who enjoys testing the latest (cauldron) and giving
+feedback.
+
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+
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 28/11/11 18:46 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 02:38:29 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cool, then it should be easy enough to support this in dracut, but I'll
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> need to investigate it a bit more to see exactly how.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Will try and do that over the next few days.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I forget to mention. The old kernel works fine, only the update
+</I>
+Interesting... perhaps it's the initrd in use that broke it? Or maybe
+the kernel itself is busted. There will be a 3.1.4 coming very soon (as
+there was a brown-paper-bag USB borkage on the 3.1.3 kernel)
+
+If possible could you let me know what this command produces before you
+update to 3.1.4:
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+/usr/sbin/update-alternatives --display mkinitrd
+
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Dick Gevers at 28/11/11 19:12 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:17:34 +0100 (CET), Mageia Team wrote about
+</I>&gt;<i> [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.1.3-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : kernel Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 3.1.3 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Sun Nov 27
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 16:55:15 2011
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 3.1.3-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 172918
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello Thomas,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I remark that on an already systemd enabled Cauldron (*), the grub parameter
+</I>&gt;<i> is now added 'init=/sbin/systemd'. Is this always needed? Or just added in
+</I>&gt;<i> case it is not already configured okay?
+</I>
+It's not needed if you have systemd-sysvinit installed, but by the same
+token, if you already have it in your menu.lst then the bootloader code
+will simply preserve it when adding a new kernel. It's dumb code (in a
+nice way!) so it's not specifically caring that it's an init= argument
+or that it's anything to do with systemd.
+
+So if you want cleaner boot command lines, just tidy up your menu.lst
+manually and they will no longer be added to new kernels. Hope that
+makes sense.
+
+Col
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 29/11/11 09:57 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Since last week, multimedia keys seems to be ignored under gnome: no
+</I>&gt;<i> more OSD display, and no more effect on mixer. The same is true for
+</I>&gt;<i> other keyboard shortcut: ctrl+alt+l, which is supposed to lock screen,
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't work either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Everything works fine under XFCE.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have no clue about which component to report the issue against in
+</I>
+gnome-settings-daemon handles multimedia keys etc.
+
+I can confirm here the same problem, but some shortcuts do work (e.g.
+alt+f2), so it must only be the shortcuts g-s-d handles.
+
+I can confirm that g-s-d is communicating with PulseAudio (pacmd
+list-clients shows gnome-settings-daemon there), so I presume the
+problem is just in the keyboard handling side of it).
+
+Col
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>An immidiate solution, albeit not really a sustainable one, is to add
+the missing provides to our libxdamage package; however, doing this
+opens the door to have package x providing n different version of libx
+or binaryx so it could only really be used if we knew that there was a
+chance that upstream, in this case teamviewer, are likely to fix there
+requires to suit that Mageia ones so that we don't end up with package
+x having hundreds of provides to support different requires from
+closed source stuff....
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+On a slightly off topic note: have the extra provides could help to
+improve interoperability with say Fedora - ergo Red Hat, and seeing as
+most commercial closed source binaries for GNU/Linux will be built
+with Red Hat in mind, having provides that match Fedora's is probably
+a good way to eliminate this problem.
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+But, as said earlier, this isn't really something that we can do
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 29/11/11 11:43 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 29/11/11 09:57 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since last week, multimedia keys seems to be ignored under gnome: no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more OSD display, and no more effect on mixer. The same is true for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other keyboard shortcut: ctrl+alt+l, which is supposed to lock screen,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> doesn't work either.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Everything works fine under XFCE.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have no clue about which component to report the issue against in
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-settings-daemon handles multimedia keys etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can confirm here the same problem, but some shortcuts do work (e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> alt+f2), so it must only be the shortcuts g-s-d handles.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can confirm that g-s-d is communicating with PulseAudio (pacmd
+</I>&gt;<i> list-clients shows gnome-settings-daemon there), so I presume the
+</I>&gt;<i> problem is just in the keyboard handling side of it).
+</I>
+OK, spoke with Bastien and he pointed me at the fixes (on the Xserver side).
+
+Will push them through shortly (tho' to the xserver 1.11 in
+core/updates_testing only)
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+&gt;<i> An immidiate solution, albeit not really a sustainable one, is to add
+</I>&gt;<i> the missing provides to our libxdamage package; however, doing this
+</I>&gt;<i> opens the door to have package x providing n different version of libx
+</I>&gt;<i> or binaryx so it could only really be used if we knew that there was a
+</I>&gt;<i> chance that upstream, in this case teamviewer, are likely to fix there
+</I>&gt;<i> requires to suit that Mageia ones so that we don't end up with package
+</I>&gt;<i> x having hundreds of provides to support different requires from
+</I>&gt;<i> closed source stuff....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On a slightly off topic note: have the extra provides could help to
+</I>&gt;<i> improve interoperability with say Fedora - ergo Red Hat, and seeing as
+</I>&gt;<i> most commercial closed source binaries for GNU/Linux will be built
+</I>&gt;<i> with Red Hat in mind, having provides that match Fedora's is probably
+</I>&gt;<i> a good way to eliminate this problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But, as said earlier, this isn't really something that we can do
+</I>&gt;<i> sustainable so......
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>There is really no easy solution. This kind of make us slaves of RedHat and some of the bullshit they push at times.
+There is little choice in many cases. What could be done is some wrappers for some sort of Fedora compatibility if there is enough demand for a package that needs that. When there is a good alternative that does the same thing then I would be opposed to
+suking up too much to those folks. The goal here is to make our users happy without compromising our principles too much.
+
+Here is an example I had to deal with to get an Atmel program that was designed for Fedora to install on Mandriva 2010.0
+
+elfutil split in different packages. I created one file that satisfied the Atmel installer. The package actually only had one text file telling you that it was a bogus package to satisty the Atmel program.
+At one time a package had an X instead of an x in the name, aside from that it was the same thing (same version and all)
+
+I had the whole Atmel code working nicely on Mandriva 2010.0. When my hard disk crashed I didn't bother reinstalling because of the sound issues I had with Mandriva. I switched to Scientific Linux, I recently installed Mageia and found that I like it
+better, French support is better for one thing.
+The only problem I see is my Atmel debugger no longer works, I am working on that. I allready have created the binutils and compiler with the latest Atmel patches. Perhaps running Fedora 12 in VirtualBox might be a good intermediate solution for debugging.
+I could use windows XP I guess but I have enough of this at work. When I get home windows would be the last thing I would want to see.
+
+Michel
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+<PRE>Robert Fox skrev 29.11.2011 13:24:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 12:20 +0100, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You are free to try to help teamviewer fix their package to make it work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on Mageia, you can already do it now, there's no need to have a voting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> system to consider it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry Nicolas - I would if I knew how, but unfortunately I am not a
+</I>&gt;<i> packager nor am I a developer with intimate knowledge of Mageia - I am
+</I>&gt;<i> simply a power user who enjoys testing the latest (cauldron) and giving
+</I>&gt;<i> feedback.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ah... and there it is...
+
+This is how most threads like this ends up...
+
+Many users seems to forget this is a community driven distribution,
+so if you want something no-one of the current maintainers care
+about, you need to do the work, and stop expecting others to do
+it for you (unless you pay them)...
+
+
+So here is a few general points for all users to think about:
+
+* &quot;I am not a packager&quot;
+ - so what stops you from becoming one?
+ - everyone have had to start somewhere.
+ - we have packagers that takes on apprentices,
+ and you can always ask questions on mageia-dev@ ml
+ and #mageia-dev on irc if you get stuck.
+
+* &quot;I am not a developer&quot;
+ - for many packages you dont need to be a &quot;developer&quot; as
+ upstream is doing the development, so you only need to
+ be a packager and check if things are fixed upstream
+ and so on.
+
+* &quot;I dont have time...&quot;
+ - then how can you expect others to use their own time
+ to do it for you if they dont care about the thing you
+ want...
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+Point is... our &quot;nobody&quot; maintainer is already overworked
+with over 2000 packages to take care of. So he/she does not
+want more work.
+
+
+And thinking about skype/teamviewer/...
+If we want to help...
+
+They dont need to be packaged. Just start a page on the
+wiki listing apps, where to get them, how to install them,
+and so on...
+Note! This page needs to be _maintained_ then too :)
+Otherwise people can just google it.
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+</I>&gt;<i> OK, spoke with Bastien and he pointed me at the fixes (on the Xserver side).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will push them through shortly (tho' to the xserver 1.11 in
+</I>&gt;<i> core/updates_testing only)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think we should push xserver 1.11 into /release _now_ so it gets
+proper testing time from all users before Alpha 2 is released.
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Ah... and there it is...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is how most threads like this ends up...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Many users seems to forget this is a community driven distribution,
+</I>&gt;<i> so if you want something no-one of the current maintainers care
+</I>&gt;<i> about, you need to do the work, and stop expecting others to do
+</I>&gt;<i> it for you (unless you pay them)...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So here is a few general points for all users to think about:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * &quot;I am not a packager&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> - so what stops you from becoming one?
+</I>&gt;<i> - everyone have had to start somewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i> - we have packagers that takes on apprentices,
+</I>&gt;<i> and you can always ask questions on mageia-dev@ ml
+</I>&gt;<i> and #mageia-dev on irc if you get stuck.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+How does one get a mentor? I'd like to learn how to package.
+
+Thanks for your response.
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+R.Fox
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+&gt;<i> Robert Fox skrev 29.11.2011 13:24:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 12:20 +0100, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You are free to try to help teamviewer fix their package to make it work
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on Mageia, you can already do it now, there's no need to have a voting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> system to consider it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry Nicolas - I would if I knew how, but unfortunately I am not a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packager nor am I a developer with intimate knowledge of Mageia - I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simply a power user who enjoys testing the latest (cauldron) and giving
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> feedback.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah... and there it is...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is how most threads like this ends up...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Many users seems to forget this is a community driven distribution,
+</I>&gt;<i> so if you want something no-one of the current maintainers care
+</I>&gt;<i> about, you need to do the work, and stop expecting others to do
+</I>&gt;<i> it for you (unless you pay them)...
+</I>
+I don't think that he is &quot;expecting others to do it&quot; for him.
+As Robert Fox said:
+&quot;All I am asking is that Mageia recognise the need for the end
+users to co-exist with their Mac / Winblows counterparts, and that
+certain software is unavoidable. Any efforts made to help get such
+software to work properly with our distribution would be considered
+positive.&quot;
+
+So, if I understood him right, a how-to would be enough for him.
+Three possible solutions came to my mind, to solve this issue:
+1. We write a documentation for, which has to be translated in each
+language.
+2. We provide a get-teamviewer package (as for skype). I guess there
+would be a script in it, that does the needed steps? However, a packager
+would be needed for it, who build and maintain it.
+3. We take care, that the provided Mandriva package on the Teamviewer
+website works properly in Mageia. Due to my limited knowledge I can't
+estimate the effort for that possible solution.
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+Regards,
+Thorsten
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+&gt;<i> I think we should push xserver 1.11 into /release _now_ so it gets
+</I>&gt;<i> proper testing time from all users before Alpha 2 is released.
+</I>
+Does it work with latest nvidia binary driver?
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+&gt;<i> Am 29.11.2011 14:17, schrieb Thomas Backlund:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Robert Fox skrev 29.11.2011 13:24:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 12:20 +0100, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You are free to try to help teamviewer fix their package to make it work
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on Mageia, you can already do it now, there's no need to have a voting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> system to consider it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry Nicolas - I would if I knew how, but unfortunately I am not a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packager nor am I a developer with intimate knowledge of Mageia - I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> simply a power user who enjoys testing the latest (cauldron) and giving
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> feedback.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ah... and there it is...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is how most threads like this ends up...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Many users seems to forget this is a community driven distribution,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so if you want something no-one of the current maintainers care
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about, you need to do the work, and stop expecting others to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it for you (unless you pay them)...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is a very good point, however, i feel that it should be said,
+that while we, as in Mageia are very welcome to new packagers and make
+the process as easy as possible, there still seems to be a large
+number of posts asking about how to become one, rather than, &quot;i want
+to become one, can I have a mentor please&quot;
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think that he is &quot;expecting others to do it&quot; for him.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As Robert Fox said:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;All I am asking is that Mageia recognise the need for the end
+</I>&gt;<i> users to co-exist with their Mac / Winblows counterparts, and that
+</I>&gt;<i> certain software is unavoidable. &#160;Any efforts made to help get such
+</I>&gt;<i> software to work properly with our distribution would be considered
+</I>&gt;<i> positive.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, if I understood him right, a how-to would be enough for him.
+</I>&gt;<i> Three possible solutions came to my mind, to solve this issue:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. We write a documentation for, which has to be translated in each
+</I>&gt;<i> language.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. We provide a get-teamviewer package (as for skype). I guess there would
+</I>&gt;<i> be a script in it, that does the needed steps? However, a packager would be
+</I>&gt;<i> needed for it, who build and maintain it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. We take care, that the provided Mandriva package on the Teamviewer
+</I>&gt;<i> website works properly in Mageia. Due to my limited knowledge I can't
+</I>&gt;<i> estimate the effort for that possible solution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Thorsten
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I would say that number 1 here makes the most sense, provided that
+there aren't changes every 3 months in the teamviewer dependencies,
+which seems unlikely.
+
+For number 3, I would say using the Fedora rpm would be better
+practice, as more software like Teamviewer will have rpms for Fedora
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/11/11 13:21 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 13:53:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, spoke with Bastien and he pointed me at the fixes (on the Xserver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> side).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Will push them through shortly (tho' to the xserver 1.11 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> core/updates_testing only)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we should push xserver 1.11 into /release _now_ so it gets
+</I>&gt;<i> proper testing time from all users before Alpha 2 is released.
+</I>
+I'm happy with that but as I don't keep up to date with the binary
+driver stuff I don't know the impact.
+
+Anssi, can you give your &#8364;0.02?
+
+Col
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+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How does one get a mentor? I'd like to learn how to package.
+</I>
+First you should start reading rpm documentation, tutorials, mageia
+policies, etc ... Then try making a few packages, asking questions on
+IRC or mailing lists if needed. And when you are ready to maintain
+packages for Mageia, ask to get a mentor to review your packages and
+submit them for you until you have a full packager account.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Ah... and there it is...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is how most threads like this ends up...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Many users seems to forget this is a community driven distribution,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so if you want something no-one of the current maintainers care
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about, you need to do the work, and stop expecting others to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it for you (unless you pay them)...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So here is a few general points for all users to think about:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * &quot;I am not a packager&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - so what stops you from becoming one?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - everyone have had to start somewhere.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - we have packagers that takes on apprentices,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and you can always ask questions on mageia-dev@ ml
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and #mageia-dev on irc if you get stuck.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How does one get a mentor? I'd like to learn how to package.
+</I>
+That's a great idea!
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager</A>
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+Welcome!
+--
+Malo
+<A HREF="http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~malo/">http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~malo/</A>
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+&gt;<i> But, as said earlier, this isn't really something that we can do
+</I>&gt;<i> sustainable so......
+</I>
+Could do it on a best effort basis in a special meta package. I'd be
+annoyed to complicate existing spec files with compatibility cruft, but
+task-proprietary-compat-* subpackages seems fine to me.
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+Might not work in all cases, in which case: too bad!
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:43:30AM +0000, Donald Stewart wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But, as said earlier, this isn't really something that we can do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sustainable so......
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could do it on a best effort basis in a special meta package. I'd be
+</I>&gt;<i> annoyed to complicate existing spec files with compatibility cruft, but
+</I>&gt;<i> task-proprietary-compat-* subpackages seems fine to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Might not work in all cases, in which case: too bad!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thinking of e.g.:
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: $FEDORA_THING
+</I>&gt;<i> Requires: $OUR_THING
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Olav
+</I>
+That way if a requires from the Fedora package changes, it is easier
+to chase the changes needed for Mageia's packages, nice idea, however,
+this would need to be documented so people know what it is and why its
+getting pulled in. However, it would be a simpler thing to keep
+updated and maintained that how-to's for each proprietary blob.
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+&gt;<i> Am 29.11.2011 14:17, schrieb Thomas Backlund:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Robert Fox skrev 29.11.2011 13:24:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 12:20 +0100, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You are free to try to help teamviewer fix their package to make it work
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on Mageia, you can already do it now, there's no need to have a voting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> system to consider it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry Nicolas - I would if I knew how, but unfortunately I am not a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packager nor am I a developer with intimate knowledge of Mageia - I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> simply a power user who enjoys testing the latest (cauldron) and giving
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> feedback.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ah... and there it is...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is how most threads like this ends up...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Many users seems to forget this is a community driven distribution,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so if you want something no-one of the current maintainers care
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about, you need to do the work, and stop expecting others to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it for you (unless you pay them)...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think that he is &quot;expecting others to do it&quot; for him.
+</I>
+Well, it wasn't directed only to Robert, hence the &quot;Many users...&quot;
+
+&gt;<i> As Robert Fox said:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;All I am asking is that Mageia recognise the need for the end
+</I>&gt;<i> users to co-exist with their Mac / Winblows counterparts, and that
+</I>&gt;<i> certain software is unavoidable. Any efforts made to help get such
+</I>&gt;<i> software to work properly with our distribution would be considered
+</I>&gt;<i> positive.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+We already do, as pointed out by Romain earlier in this thread.
+But it does not mean we have to bend over backvards to do it since
+we are first and foremost promoting open source.
+
+&gt;<i> So, if I understood him right, a how-to would be enough for him.
+</I>&gt;<i> Three possible solutions came to my mind, to solve this issue:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. We write a documentation for, which has to be translated in each
+</I>&gt;<i> language.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. We provide a get-teamviewer package (as for skype). I guess there
+</I>&gt;<i> would be a script in it, that does the needed steps? However, a packager
+</I>&gt;<i> would be needed for it, who build and maintain it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. We take care, that the provided Mandriva package on the Teamviewer
+</I>&gt;<i> website works properly in Mageia. Due to my limited knowledge I can't
+</I>&gt;<i> estimate the effort for that possible solution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well... &quot;We&quot; is still the above mentioned community, so someone still
+has to do the work...
+
+And in Roberts case he also stated he knows how to look things up on the
+net and figure things out.. so the next logical step then would
+be to document the findings, stick it on wiki, and voila...
+
+a member of the community (&quot;We&quot;) did the work, and the whole community
+can benefit from it. and &quot;We&quot; didn't even need to be a packager.
+
+and maintaining pages on the wiki is also valuable work for the
+community. so... many ways to help...
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/11/11 13:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 13:53:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, spoke with Bastien and he pointed me at the fixes (on the Xserver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> side).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Will push them through shortly (tho' to the xserver 1.11 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> core/updates_testing only)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should push xserver 1.11 into /release _now_ so it gets
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proper testing time from all users before Alpha 2 is released.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm happy with that but as I don't keep up to date with the binary
+</I>&gt;<i> driver stuff I don't know the impact.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi, can you give your &#8364;0.02?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+fglrx is ok as of fglrx-8.911-1.mga2.nonfree
+
+nvidia-current should be ok afaik.
+
+nvidia173 and nvidia96xx need to be checked,
+as Anssi noted on Nov. 6th that they didn't support it yet then,
+and iirc there has been no new driver release since.
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+But at some point we really need to move on, as we cant wait forever.
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+&gt;<i> That way if a requires from the Fedora package changes, it is easier
+</I>&gt;<i> to chase the changes needed for Mageia's packages, nice idea, however,
+</I>&gt;<i> this would need to be documented so people know what it is and why its
+</I>&gt;<i> getting pulled in. However, it would be a simpler thing to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> updated and maintained that how-to's for each proprietary blob.
+</I>
+I prefer having browser-&gt;urpmi-&gt;&quot;click yes&quot; work over a wiki page. So
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 02:49:07PM +0000, Donald Stewart wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That way if a requires from the Fedora package changes, it is easier
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to chase the changes needed for Mageia's packages, nice idea, however,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this would need to be documented so people know what it is and why its
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> getting pulled in. However, it would be a simpler thing to keep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updated and maintained that how-to's for each proprietary blob.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I prefer having browser-&gt;urpmi-&gt;&quot;click yes&quot; work over a wiki page. So
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd make it work for skype as long as nobody finds this idea too ugly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Olav
+</I>
+Yes of course, it should be done so that there is as little, if not no
+trace that it is being installed - I was more meaning for somebody who
+is wondering why proprietary-compat-whatever.rpm needs updated.
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+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 16:04:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/11/11 13:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 13:53:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, spoke with Bastien and he pointed me at the fixes (on the Xserver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> side).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Will push them through shortly (tho' to the xserver 1.11 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> core/updates_testing only)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should push xserver 1.11 into /release _now_ so it gets
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proper testing time from all users before Alpha 2 is released.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm happy with that but as I don't keep up to date with the binary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> driver stuff I don't know the impact.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi, can you give your &#8364;0.02?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fglrx is ok as of fglrx-8.911-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia-current should be ok afaik.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia173 and nvidia96xx need to be checked,
+</I>&gt;<i> as Anssi noted on Nov. 6th that they didn't support it yet then,
+</I>&gt;<i> and iirc there has been no new driver release since.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Does anyone have, or know of some data on the number of people that
+still use pre Nvidia 6 series cards? And what the performance between
+the Nvidia and nouveau drivers for those cards is?
+Because, if not many people use them - and nouveau works well it isn't
+really an issue, but if not, then surely we run the risk of the
+drivers not being compatible in time for Mga 2, despite that being a
+long way off. If memory serves, it took a very long time for the 96xx
+driver to being made compatible a while back. But then again, its
+Cauldron, so we should test and push forward......
+&gt;<i> But at some point we really need to move on, as we cant wait forever.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 29/11/11 11:53 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 29/11/11 11:43 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 29/11/11 09:57 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Since last week, multimedia keys seems to be ignored under gnome: no
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> more OSD display, and no more effect on mixer. The same is true for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> other keyboard shortcut: ctrl+alt+l, which is supposed to lock screen,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> doesn't work either.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Everything works fine under XFCE.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I have no clue about which component to report the issue against in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-settings-daemon handles multimedia keys etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can confirm here the same problem, but some shortcuts do work (e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alt+f2), so it must only be the shortcuts g-s-d handles.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can confirm that g-s-d is communicating with PulseAudio (pacmd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> list-clients shows gnome-settings-daemon there), so I presume the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problem is just in the keyboard handling side of it).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, spoke with Bastien and he pointed me at the fixes (on the Xserver side).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will push them through shortly (tho' to the xserver 1.11 in
+</I>&gt;<i> core/updates_testing only)
+</I>
+Phew! That was a bit of a fight in the end with several .la file related
+build problems but it's there now.
+
+Col
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+--
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kamil Rytarowski at 28/11/11 20:38 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 28.11.2011 21:15, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op maandag 28 november 2011 14:09:16 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 28.11.2011 13:41, Bruno Cornec wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (..)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So I guess there is something wrong here. Or are we so few that nobody
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> want to take these ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some time ago I made a list of unmaintained packages in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> basesystem-minimal:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> attr audit aumix basesystem common-licenses cpio cronie crontabs curl
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cyrus-sasl dash db48 dump elfutils etcskel ethtool findutils gdbm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gettext glib2.0 gzip ifmetric initscripts kbd krb5 less libcap libdaemon
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libffi libidn libsigsegv libssh2 libtermcap libusb-compat libusb1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libuser libxml2 logrotate mageia-release makedev meta-task mingetty
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ncurses net-tools nspr nss openssl pam pam_userpass passwd pcre popt
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> prcsys procps psmisc readline rootcerts rpmtools rsyslog run-parts sash
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> setup shadow-utils sqlite3 sysvinit tcb termcap texinfo time timezone
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> udev utempter which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> aumix is in basesystem-minimal? are you certain? perhaps you forgot a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --no-
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suggests?
+</I>&gt;<i> basesystem-minimal --no-suggests requires aumix-text, and this is a part
+</I>&gt;<i> of aumix source package.
+</I>
+That just seems wrong and likely a hangover from a bygone era. I suggest
+we nuke aumix from this requirement.
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Bruno Cornec at 28/11/11 12:41 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I received recently a mail from Samuel Verschelde asking me to look
+</I>&gt;<i> again at the list of un-maintained packages in mageia (either
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt</A> or by mgarepo maintdb
+</I>&gt;<i> get | grep nobody). Thanks for the reminder !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was really surprised of what I found, and I'm pretty sure some people
+</I>&gt;<i> have not registered themselves as package maintainer correctly. I can't
+</I>&gt;<i> believe we could have a working distribution without people in charge
+</I>&gt;<i> of:
+</I>&gt;<i> attr
+</I>&gt;<i> basesystem
+</I>&gt;<i> bind
+</I>&gt;<i> bison
+</I>&gt;<i> busybox
+</I>&gt;<i> cpio
+</I>&gt;<i> curl
+</I>&gt;<i> cvs
+</I>&gt;<i> docbook-*
+</I>&gt;<i> dosfstools
+</I>&gt;<i> findutils
+</I>&gt;<i> flex
+</I>&gt;<i> gdb
+</I>&gt;<i> ghostscript
+</I>&gt;<i> grub
+</I>&gt;<i> gzip
+</I>&gt;<i> initscripts
+</I>&gt;<i> inn
+</I>&gt;<i> keychain
+</I>&gt;<i> less
+</I>&gt;<i> lilo
+</I>&gt;<i> locales
+</I>&gt;<i> logrotate
+</I>&gt;<i> lzma
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-release
+</I>&gt;<i> man
+</I>&gt;<i> man-pages
+</I>&gt;<i> mkinitrd
+</I>&gt;<i> mt-st
+</I>&gt;<i> mtools
+</I>&gt;<i> ncurses
+</I>&gt;<i> netcat-traditional
+</I>&gt;<i> ntp
+</I>&gt;<i> openjade
+</I>&gt;<i> openssl
+</I>&gt;<i> openvpn
+</I>&gt;<i> pam
+</I>&gt;<i> parted
+</I>&gt;<i> passwd
+</I>&gt;<i> procmail
+</I>&gt;<i> sane
+</I>&gt;<i> sgml-common
+</I>&gt;<i> shorewall
+</I>&gt;<i> sqlite
+</I>&gt;<i> sudo
+</I>&gt;<i> sympa
+</I>&gt;<i> sysstat
+</I>&gt;<i> tcp_wrappers
+</I>&gt;<i> tcpdump
+</I>&gt;<i> tcsh
+</I>&gt;<i> termcap
+</I>&gt;<i> traceroute
+</I>&gt;<i> udev
+</I>&gt;<i> util-linux-ng
+</I>&gt;<i> xinetd
+</I>&gt;<i> xmodmap
+</I>&gt;<i> (And this is really a list of what looks to me mandatory, I'm sure each
+</I>&gt;<i> here will make its own, with differences).
+</I>
+As I've said before I'm happy to be part of a group that maintains some
+core things (udev, pam, initscripts to name a few) but I don't have the
+time or energy to be the sole official maintainer.
+
+Until someone actually implements some sensible way of handling groups,
+I doubt the maintainership (or rather the lack thereof) of some of the
+core packages will change much. :s
+
+Sadly I've not really got the time or energy to look at implementing the
+afore mentioned sensible way of handling groups either!
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Hello,
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+When a package is no longer supported, without being replaced by an
+other package, and needs to be removed from the distribution, the
+current procedure is :
+ - move the package on svn to obsolete directory
+ - ask a sysadmin to manually remove the package from repositories
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+Instead of asking a sysadmin to do it, I propose that we create a
+package task-obsolete, with obsoletes on all packages that need to be
+removed, so that the removing of the package will be done by youri.
+I think it would be better :
+ - anybody with commit access can do it without asking a sysadmin
+ - we can have a list and logs of packages dropped since previous Mageia
+ release, which can be useful when writting release notes
+ - users who don't want to keep unsupported packages installed on their
+ system can install the package to remove them
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+</I>&gt;<i> Instead of asking a sysadmin to do it, I propose that we create a
+</I>&gt;<i> package task-obsolete, with obsoletes on all packages that need to be
+</I>&gt;<i> removed, so that the removing of the package will be done by youri.
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++1 but I think we still have the bug about obsoleted noarch pkgs not
+being removed from x86_64 repos automatically by youri. It would be
+nice if someone could investigate it and close mga#2328 [1].
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+[1] <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2328">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2328</A>
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Will push them through shortly (tho' to the xserver 1.11 in
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Phew! That was a bit of a fight in the end with several .la file related
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+installing glibc-debug, it seems that there are no debugging symbol
+files for common libc routines, e.g. vsnprintf(), even though their
+source is included in the package:
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> ld.so.conf.d]# cd /usr/lib/debug/lib64
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> lib64]# ls
+libanl-2.14.1.so.debug libnss_files-2.14.1.so.debug
+libanl.so.1.debug@ libnss_files.so.2.debug@
+libBrokenLocale-2.14.1.so.debug libnss_hesiod-2.14.1.so.debug
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+libdl-2.14.1.so.debug libpcprofile.so.debug
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+libnss_dns-2.14.1.so.debug libutil.so.1.debug@
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> lib64]# grep cosh *
+Binary file libm-2.14.1.so.debug matches
+Binary file libm.so.6.debug matches
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> lib64]# grep vsnprintf *
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> lib64]#
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+I get hits on &quot;fprintf&quot;, but not in any library I would think is
+associated with stdio-common.
+
+Do we exclude these deliberately for some reason ? Or am I totally off
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+&gt;<i>'Twas brillig, and Dick Gevers at 28/11/11 19:12 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> I remark that on an already systemd enabled Cauldron (*), the grub
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> parameter is now added 'init=/sbin/systemd'. Is this always needed? Or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just added in case it is not already configured okay?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>It's not needed if you have systemd-sysvinit installed, but by the same
+</I>&gt;<i>token, if you already have it in your menu.lst then the bootloader code
+</I>&gt;<i>will simply preserve it when adding a new kernel. It's dumb code (in a
+</I>&gt;<i>nice way!) so it's not specifically caring that it's an init= argument
+</I>&gt;<i>or that it's anything to do with systemd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>So if you want cleaner boot command lines, just tidy up your menu.lst
+</I>&gt;<i>manually and they will no longer be added to new kernels. Hope that
+</I>&gt;<i>makes sense.
+</I>
+Super, expected stg like that, but just wanted to be sure. Thanks mucho!
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:21:04AM +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; B. We drop mysql completely and submit mariadb
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+</I>&gt;<i> Don't mind a somewhat opinionated distribution. Also think about
+</I>&gt;<i> support. Do you want to provide twice the support for almost the same
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+i'm thinking about QA &amp; support for this
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Bruno Cornec at 28/11/11 12:41 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I received recently a mail from Samuel Verschelde asking me to look
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; again at the list of un-maintained packages in mageia (either
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt</A> or by mgarepo maintdb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; get | grep nobody). Thanks for the reminder !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I was really surprised of what I found, and I'm pretty sure some people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; have not registered themselves as package maintainer correctly. I can't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; believe we could have a working distribution without people in charge
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; attr
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; basesystem
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; bind
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; bison
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; busybox
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cpio
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; curl
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cvs
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; docbook-*
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dosfstools
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; findutils
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; flex
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gdb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ghostscript
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; grub
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gzip
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; initscripts
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; inn
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; keychain
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; less
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lilo
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; locales
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; logrotate
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lzma
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mageia-release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; man
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; man-pages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mkinitrd
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mt-st
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mtools
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ncurses
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; netcat-traditional
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ntp
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; openjade
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; openssl
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; openvpn
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pam
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; parted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; passwd
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; procmail
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sane
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sgml-common
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; shorewall
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sqlite
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sudo
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sympa
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sysstat
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tcp_wrappers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tcpdump
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tcsh
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; termcap
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; traceroute
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; udev
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; util-linux-ng
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; xinetd
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; xmodmap
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (And this is really a list of what looks to me mandatory, I'm sure each
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; here will make its own, with differences).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I've said before I'm happy to be part of a group that maintains some
+</I>&gt;<i> core things (udev, pam, initscripts to name a few) but I don't have the
+</I>&gt;<i> time or energy to be the sole official maintainer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Until someone actually implements some sensible way of handling groups,
+</I>&gt;<i> I doubt the maintainership (or rather the lack thereof) of some of the
+</I>&gt;<i> core packages will change much. :s
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sadly I've not really got the time or energy to look at implementing the
+</I>&gt;<i> afore mentioned sensible way of handling groups either!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> I'd like to learn how to package.
+</I>
+I learned to master the magic of packaging in march of 2010, by asking two IRC buddies on how to create an RPM package. And they where helpfull in pointing me to good documentation on Mandriva's wiki, and providing helpfull tip and advice.
+The wiki article which was most helpfull for me in the beginning was this one: <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/RPM_packaging_tutorial">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/RPM_packaging_tutorial</A>
+Mageia have it's own wiki article on this: <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_RPM_tutorial">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_RPM_tutorial</A>
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+<PRE>Le mardi 29 novembre 2011 &#224; 17:36 +0000, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Bruno Cornec at 28/11/11 12:41 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I received recently a mail from Samuel Verschelde asking me to look
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; again at the list of un-maintained packages in mageia (either
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt</A> or by mgarepo maintdb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; get | grep nobody). Thanks for the reminder !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I was really surprised of what I found, and I'm pretty sure some people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; have not registered themselves as package maintainer correctly. I can't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; believe we could have a working distribution without people in charge
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (And this is really a list of what looks to me mandatory, I'm sure each
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; here will make its own, with differences).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I've said before I'm happy to be part of a group that maintains some
+</I>&gt;<i> core things (udev, pam, initscripts to name a few) but I don't have the
+</I>&gt;<i> time or energy to be the sole official maintainer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Until someone actually implements some sensible way of handling groups,
+</I>&gt;<i> I doubt the maintainership (or rather the lack thereof) of some of the
+</I>&gt;<i> core packages will change much. :s
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sadly I've not really got the time or energy to look at implementing the
+</I>&gt;<i> afore mentioned sensible way of handling groups either!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Feel free to add something in a wiki page: like here
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging#Main_packages_by_category">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging#Main_packages_by_category</A>
+
+Personally (and it's going the same for the bugsquad), for new bugs, we
+add in cc the committers of the package, but if you don't like that, we
+can go with the specific groups way.
+
+Committer list of each unmaintained packages:
+<A HREF="http://stormi.lautre.net/fichiers/mageia/unmaintained-per-committers.txt">http://stormi.lautre.net/fichiers/mageia/unmaintained-per-committers.txt</A>
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+&gt;<i> The proper course is to provide some proprietary driver when it is impossible to have a good free alternative.
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+That is a matter of oppinion.
+In my oppinion the proper solution is to seek out hardware in which there are free drivers. And I know for a fact that there are many out there who believe the same. The most visible one beeing RMS. :-)=
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+And I do recognice it migth be hard to do in practice.
+so I have learned to live without graphics accelleration and 3D.
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 29 November 2011 14:31, Robert Fox wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like to learn how to package.
+</I>&gt;<i> I learned to master the magic of packaging in march of 2010, by asking two IRC buddies on how to create an RPM package. And they where helpfull in pointing me to good documentation on Mandriva's wiki, and providing helpfull tip and advice.
+</I>&gt;<i> The wiki article which was most helpfull for me in the beginning was this one: <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/RPM_packaging_tutorial">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/RPM_packaging_tutorial</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia have it's own wiki article on this: <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_RPM_tutorial">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_RPM_tutorial</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So my advice would be to ask someone you know are involved in packaging, about how to get started.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Also feel free to come to the #mageia-mentoring
+&lt;<A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/#mageia-mentoring">irc://irc.freenode.net/#mageia-mentoring</A>&gt; IRC channel to ask ;)
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+Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 16:04:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/11/11 13:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 13:53:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; OK, spoke with Bastien and he pointed me at the fixes (on the Xserver
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; side).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Will push them through shortly (tho' to the xserver 1.11 in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; core/updates_testing only)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I think we should push xserver 1.11 into /release _now_ so it gets
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; proper testing time from all users before Alpha 2 is released.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm happy with that but as I don't keep up to date with the binary
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; driver stuff I don't know the impact.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Anssi, can you give your &#8364;0.02?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fglrx is ok as of fglrx-8.911-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia-current should be ok afaik.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I using it on both nVidia and intel hardware, and seems to work
+nice.
+
+&gt;<i> nvidia173 and nvidia96xx need to be checked,
+</I>&gt;<i> as Anssi noted on Nov. 6th that they didn't support it yet then,
+</I>&gt;<i> and iirc there has been no new driver release since.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But at some point we really need to move on, as we cant wait forever.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
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+JA Magallon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:18:29 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 16:04:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/11/11 13:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 13:53:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; OK, spoke with Bastien and he pointed me at the fixes (on the Xserver
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; side).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Will push them through shortly (tho' to the xserver 1.11 in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; core/updates_testing only)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; I think we should push xserver 1.11 into /release _now_ so it gets
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; proper testing time from all users before Alpha 2 is released.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I'm happy with that but as I don't keep up to date with the binary
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; driver stuff I don't know the impact.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Anssi, can you give your &#8364;0.02?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fglrx is ok as of fglrx-8.911-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; nvidia-current should be ok afaik.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I using it on both nVidia and intel hardware, and seems to work
+</I>&gt;<i> nice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; nvidia173 and nvidia96xx need to be checked,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as Anssi noted on Nov. 6th that they didn't support it yet then,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and iirc there has been no new driver release since.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>
+BTW, there is a new relase for current driver, 290.10.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; But at some point we really need to move on, as we cant wait forever.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 29 November 2011 15:18, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 16:04:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/11/11 13:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 13:53:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; OK, spoke with Bastien and he pointed me at the fixes (on the Xserver
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; side).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Will push them through shortly (tho' to the xserver 1.11 in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; core/updates_testing only)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I think we should push xserver 1.11 into /release _now_ so it gets
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; proper testing time from all users before Alpha 2 is released.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm happy with that but as I don't keep up to date with the binary
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; driver stuff I don't know the impact.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Anssi, can you give your &#8364;0.02?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fglrx is ok as of fglrx-8.911-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; nvidia-current should be ok afaik.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; nvidia173 and nvidia96xx need to be checked,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as Anssi noted on Nov. 6th that they didn't support it yet then,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and iirc there has been no new driver release since.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does anyone have, or know of some data on the number of people that
+</I>&gt;<i> still use pre Nvidia 6 series cards? And what the performance between
+</I>&gt;<i> the Nvidia and nouveau drivers for those cards is?
+</I>&gt;<i> Because, if not many people use them - and nouveau works well it isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> really an issue, but if not, then surely we run the risk of the
+</I>&gt;<i> drivers not being compatible in time for Mga 2, despite that being a
+</I>&gt;<i> long way off. If memory serves, it took a very long time for the 96xx
+</I>&gt;<i> driver to being made compatible a while back. But then again, its
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron, so we should test and push forward......
+</I>
+Sorry, just to make my mind clear, what is the problem with GF 6 series ?
+Nouveau not working but from GF7 and up, or propietary not working in 6 ?
+
+Beacuse if it is the later, the standard nvidia current driver supports
+series 6 and up. The legacy drivers are required only for 5(FX) and below.
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/11/11 13:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 13:53:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, spoke with Bastien and he pointed me at the fixes (on the Xserver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> side).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Will push them through shortly (tho' to the xserver 1.11 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> core/updates_testing only)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should push xserver 1.11 into /release _now_ so it gets
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proper testing time from all users before Alpha 2 is released.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm happy with that but as I don't keep up to date with the binary
+</I>&gt;<i> driver stuff I don't know the impact.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi, can you give your &#8364;0.02?
+</I>
+Only nvidia173 and nvidia96xx lack support for it, while fglrx and
+nvidia-current do work with it.
+
+However, I don't think we have an up-to-date fglrx, I'll have time to
+check and correct that in about 24h from now.
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:58:18 +0000
+</I>&gt;<i> Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Does anyone have, or know of some data on the number of people that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> still use pre Nvidia 6 series cards? And what the performance between
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the Nvidia and nouveau drivers for those cards is?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Because, if not many people use them - and nouveau works well it isn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> really an issue, but if not, then surely we run the risk of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drivers not being compatible in time for Mga 2, despite that being a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> long way off. If memory serves, it took a very long time for the 96xx
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> driver to being made compatible a while back. But then again, its
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cauldron, so we should test and push forward......
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, just to make my mind clear, what is the problem with GF 6 series ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Nouveau not working but from GF7 and up, or propietary not working in 6 ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Beacuse if it is the later, the standard nvidia current driver supports
+</I>&gt;<i> series 6 and up. The legacy drivers are required only for 5(FX) and below.
+</I>
+It was with pre 6 series cards, ir, 5,4.... because they are the ones
+not supported with x1.11 and Nvidia driver, GF 6 and up don't matter
+as they are supported by the proprietary driver.
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+So what I was meaning was that if the nouveau support is good for pre
+6 series cards, ie 4,5 then it is fine as that can be used as a
+workaround until the nvidia driver is compatible again.
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+Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 29 November 2011 23:24, JA Magallon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:58:18 +0000
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Does anyone have, or know of some data on the number of people that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; still use pre Nvidia 6 series cards? And what the performance between
+</I>...
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+Sorry, I missed completely this _pre_, thanks...
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was with pre 6 series cards, ir, 5,4.... because they are the ones
+</I>&gt;<i> not supported with x1.11 and Nvidia driver, GF 6 and up don't matter
+</I>&gt;<i> as they are supported by the proprietary driver.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So what I was meaning was that if the nouveau support is good for pre
+</I>&gt;<i> 6 series cards, ie 4,5 then it is fine as that can be used as a
+</I>&gt;<i> workaround until the nvidia driver is compatible again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i hope that that is clearer.
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:35:02 +0000
+</I>&gt;<i> Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 29 November 2011 23:24, JA Magallon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:58:18 +0000
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Does anyone have, or know of some data on the number of people that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; still use pre Nvidia 6 series cards? And what the performance between
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, I missed completely this _pre_, thanks...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+No worries, do you have anything on the the &quot;old&quot; cards, my lovely old
+laptop was too interesting to not take apart....
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It was with pre 6 series cards, ir, 5,4.... because they are the ones
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not supported with x1.11 and Nvidia driver, GF 6 and up don't matter
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as they are supported by the proprietary driver.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So what I was meaning was that if the nouveau support is good for pre
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 6 series cards, ie 4,5 then it is fine as that can be used as a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> workaround until the nvidia driver is compatible again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i hope that that is clearer.
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 29 November 2011 03:47, Michel Catudal wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The proper course is to provide some proprietary driver when it is impossible to have a good free alternative.
+</I>&gt;<i> That is a matter of oppinion.
+</I>&gt;<i> In my oppinion the proper solution is to seek out hardware in which there are free drivers. And I know for a fact that there are many out there who believe the same. The most visible one beeing RMS. :-)=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And I do recognice it migth be hard to do in practice.
+</I>&gt;<i> so I have learned to live without graphics accelleration and 3D.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Good for you but most of us do not want to do away with a good display for religious reason. I can't blame Nvidia to be concerned about getting their technology stolen so for me using a proprietary driver is far from being an issue, I don't care.
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+I can give you an example. A bit over 20 years ago I designed a mill counter. Everything was secret but to my surprise I saw a Sony Mill Counter at a show that was identical in looks to my new design which was state of the art with custom designed VFD
+display where everyone else was still using 7 segments LED.
+We were presenting our new product at the show and no one outside the company had ever seen it so we thought. Even our vendors had no clue about the product as I chose the name with a dart thrown on a map of the USA. They must have paid one of our managers
+for pictures.
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When a package is no longer supported, without being replaced by an
+</I>&gt;<i> other package, and needs to be removed from the distribution, the
+</I>&gt;<i> current procedure is :
+</I>&gt;<i> - move the package on svn to obsolete directory
+</I>&gt;<i> - ask a sysadmin to manually remove the package from repositories
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Instead of asking a sysadmin to do it, I propose that we create a
+</I>&gt;<i> package task-obsolete, with obsoletes on all packages that need to be
+</I>&gt;<i> removed, so that the removing of the package will be done by youri.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it would be better :
+</I>&gt;<i> - anybody with commit access can do it without asking a sysadmin
+</I>&gt;<i> - we can have a list and logs of packages dropped since previous Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> release, which can be useful when writting release notes
+</I>&gt;<i> - users who don't want to keep unsupported packages installed on their
+</I>&gt;<i> system can install the package to remove them
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Good idea.
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+&#22312; 2011-11-30 &#19978;&#21320;2:07&#65292;&quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;&#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When a package is no longer supported, without being replaced by an
+</I>&gt;<i> other package, and needs to be removed from the distribution, the
+</I>&gt;<i> current procedure is :
+</I>&gt;<i> - move the package on svn to obsolete directory
+</I>&gt;<i> - ask a sysadmin to manually remove the package from repositories
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Instead of asking a sysadmin to do it, I propose that we create a
+</I>&gt;<i> package task-obsolete, with obsoletes on all packages that need to be
+</I>&gt;<i> removed, so that the removing of the package will be done by youri.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it would be better :
+</I>&gt;<i> - anybody with commit access can do it without asking a sysadmin
+</I>&gt;<i> - we can have a list and logs of packages dropped since previous Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> release, which can be useful when writting release notes
+</I>&gt;<i> - users who don't want to keep unsupported packages installed on their
+</I>&gt;<i> system can install the package to remove them
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Le 29/11/2011 19:40, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does the idea include removing srpm also?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#22312; 2011-11-30 &#19978;&#21320;2:07&#65292;&quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;&gt; &#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When a package is no longer supported, without being replaced by an
+</I>&gt;<i> other package, and needs to be removed from the distribution, the
+</I>&gt;<i> current procedure is :
+</I>&gt;<i> - move the package on svn to obsolete directory
+</I>&gt;<i> - ask a sysadmin to manually remove the package from repositories
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Instead of asking a sysadmin to do it, I propose that we create a
+</I>&gt;<i> package task-obsolete, with obsoletes on all packages that need to be
+</I>&gt;<i> removed, so that the removing of the package will be done by youri.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it would be better :
+</I>&gt;<i> - anybody with commit access can do it without asking a sysadmin
+</I>&gt;<i> - we can have a list and logs of packages dropped since previous Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> release, which can be useful when writting release notes
+</I>&gt;<i> - users who don't want to keep unsupported packages installed on their
+</I>&gt;<i> system can install the package to remove them
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>How about putting back previously unsupported packages? The only text editor that I use is joe and someone has decided to remove it from Mageia.
+I took the Redhat Enterprise version and ported it to mageia. For a while the maintainers of joe has incorporated a bug that would make it such that it would core dump if you tried to open more than one file at a time.
+I am willing to maintain this package.
+
+Michel
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+<PRE>Jerome Quelin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 11/11/28 17:28 -0500, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so i there some kind of meta-package which is responsible for obsoleting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages that should be uninstalled?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why not do what boklm suggested on Mageia-dev (2011-11-20 18:01) :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>...
+&gt;<i> you don't answer the question. i'm not asking what to do in svn, that's
+</I>&gt;<i> pretty easy. but if we do only what you suggest, then the packages will
+</I>&gt;<i> stay installed on systems upgraded from mageia 1. and if the package is
+</I>&gt;<i> unmaintained, we don't want that to happen: we want the package to be
+</I>&gt;<i> uninstalled from all mageia 2 installs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the question is: how? which package is to obsolete the list of unwanted
+</I>&gt;<i> softs?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> j&#233;r&#244;me
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sorry, I should have realised that you were asking more than that :/
+When a package is dropped, do we usually try to force its' removal ?
+
+In this case, we are mostly trying to minimise the spellcheckers that we
+support. Once we drop a package, we no longer support it. So if
+someone has a problem with it, our solution would be &quot;install hunspell&quot;.
+
+If it hasn't already been done, we should mention it being dropped in
+the release notes.
+
+To obsolete the other spellcheckers, it seems to me that the only place
+to put the obsolete to be reliably executed would be in hunspell.
+If the user doesn't have hunspell installed, then either they are using
+another spellchecker (which would be their choice, and we wouldn't be
+supporting), or none at all.
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+another 2 cents :)
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 29 Nov 2011, Robert Fox wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you watch what the &quot;other&quot; major distros are doing related to this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> topic - it may give a hint. I am NOT advocating that we have to be like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> them, I believe we need to offer the ability and the choice.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, it can give a hint :
+</I>&gt;<i> - fedora does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;<i> - opensuse does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;<i> - debian does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;<i> - ubuntu does not provide any teamviewer package
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Right. I agree that we should favor letting users install such
+proprietary packages from the vendor's site.
+We could document the installation of trickier such packages, if there
+is a significant demand.
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+<PRE>Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:43:30AM +0000, Donald Stewart wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But, as said earlier, this isn't really something that we can do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sustainable so......
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could do it on a best effort basis in a special meta package. I'd be
+</I>&gt;<i> annoyed to complicate existing spec files with compatibility cruft, but
+</I>&gt;<i> task-proprietary-compat-* subpackages seems fine to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Might not work in all cases, in which case: too bad!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thinking of e.g.:
+</I>&gt;<i> Provides: $FEDORA_THING
+</I>&gt;<i> Requires: $OUR_THING
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I've been thinking of something like for the RPM categories.
+It wouldn't have to be focused on Redhat/Fedora only, as Suse seems to
+differ as well.
+Maybe something that could massage the installable rpm files, so any
+user could adjust whatever rpm, even without the srpm.
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+&gt;<i> Le 29/11/2011 19:40, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Does the idea include removing srpm also?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#22312; 2011-11-30 &#19978;&#21320;2:07&#65292;&quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;&gt; &#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When a package is no longer supported, without being replaced by an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other package, and needs to be removed from the distribution, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> current procedure is :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - move the package on svn to obsolete directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - ask a sysadmin to manually remove the package from repositories
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Instead of asking a sysadmin to do it, I propose that we create a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package task-obsolete, with obsoletes on all packages that need
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> removed, so that the removing of the package will be done by youri.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think it would be better :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - anybody with commit access can do it without asking a sysadmin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - we can have a list and logs of packages dropped since previous
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release, which can be useful when writting release notes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - users who don't want to keep unsupported packages installed on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> system can install the package to remove them
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How about putting back previously unsupported packages? The only text
+</I>&gt;<i> editor that I use is joe and someone has decided to remove it from
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> I took the Redhat Enterprise version and ported it to mageia. For a
+</I>&gt;<i> while the maintainers of joe has incorporated a bug that would make it
+</I>&gt;<i> such that it would core dump if you tried to open more than one file
+</I>&gt;<i> at a time.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am willing to maintain this package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Michel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No problem, since you are willing to maintain it, as long as it makes it
+past QA.
+(Which means the core dump problem would have to be solved, if not already.)
+
+It would be an update to cauldron, and a backport for Mageia 1 (unless
+it was in Mandriva 2010.1/2, in which case it would be an update).
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When a package is no longer supported, without being replaced by an
+</I>&gt;<i> other package, and needs to be removed from the distribution, the
+</I>&gt;<i> current procedure is :
+</I>&gt;<i> - move the package on svn to obsolete directory
+</I>&gt;<i> - ask a sysadmin to manually remove the package from repositories
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Instead of asking a sysadmin to do it, I propose that we create a
+</I>&gt;<i> package task-obsolete, with obsoletes on all packages that need to be
+</I>&gt;<i> removed, so that the removing of the package will be done by youri.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it would be better :
+</I>&gt;<i> - anybody with commit access can do it without asking a sysadmin
+</I>&gt;<i> - we can have a list and logs of packages dropped since previous Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> release, which can be useful when writting release notes
+</I>&gt;<i> - users who don't want to keep unsupported packages installed on their
+</I>&gt;<i> system can install the package to remove them
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Great idea :)
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i> Interesting... perhaps it's the initrd in use that broke it? Or maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> the kernel itself is busted. There will be a 3.1.4 coming very soon (as
+</I>&gt;<i> there was a brown-paper-bag USB borkage on the 3.1.3 kernel)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If possible could you let me know what this command produces before you
+</I>&gt;<i> update to 3.1.4:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --display mkinitrd
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>
+output:
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at Kira</A> kira]:/usr/sbin/update-alternatives --display mkinitrd
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+mkinitrd - status is auto.
+link currently points to /sbin/mkinitrd-mkinitrd
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+Current ' best' version is sbin/mkinitrd-mkinitrd
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+and Gnome 3.2 - I think it has something to do with the latest Compiz -
+Now the mouse is no accurate (can't click directly on anything - it is
+slightly over and to the left) - and compiz appears to be broken.
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+Drak3d does not work because of the name change (from compiz-fusion to
+compiz)
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+&gt;<i> Since the recent Cauldron updates - I am having serious issues under KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> and Gnome 3.2 - I think it has something to do with the latest Compiz -
+</I>&gt;<i> Now the mouse is no accurate (can't click directly on anything - it is
+</I>&gt;<i> slightly over and to the left) - and compiz appears to be broken.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Drak3d does not work because of the name change (from compiz-fusion to
+</I>&gt;<i> compiz)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And strangely, I can't ope Evolution main under KDE or Gnome 3.2 (but it
+</I>&gt;<i> works under Gnome Classic)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure if these are related.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> R.Fox
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+Update - when I turn Compiz off - things are back to &quot;normal&quot; - so I
+suspect the new compiz is broken.
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+ <B>Pierre Jarillon</B>
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+I have not found any other mail client installed.
+Is this a miss in the install process?
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+Then, with MCC, I have installed kmail which works.
+But kmail don't recognize mbox which are useful for archives where the content
+never changes. Maildir is perfect for a living content.
+Is mbox stripped from kmail?
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+ <B>zezinho</B>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 28 novembre 2011 05:47:19, Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I have already adapted this package to Mageia's policies and works
+</I>&gt;<i> fine. The idea would be to replace our current ioquake3 package with
+</I>&gt;<i> this new one so we can add support for the previous mentioned games.
+</I>&gt;<i> Also it would be a good time to cleanup a little this package and
+</I>&gt;<i> remove useless stuff like the old Loki installer ifdef's. I can put
+</I>&gt;<i> the src package somewhere before replacing our ioquake3 package if
+</I>&gt;<i> someone wants to take a look at it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT ?
+</I>
+Please go on. Some ideas :
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+1.Will the download have a nice window? I mean download speed/time till end,
+stop button, etc. Because this are big downloads, not like flash-player-plugin.
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+2. As user, I would expect the download to happen at install time, rather than
+first run. It could be run in the post?
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+<PRE>On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 08:58, zezinho &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1.Will the download have a nice window? I mean download speed/time till end,
+</I>&gt;<i> stop button, etc. Because this are big downloads, not like flash-player-plugin.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. As user, I would expect the download to happen at install time, rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> first run. It could be run in the post?
+</I>
+But what happens if the download fails in %post?
+You will end up with the package installed and the game not usable
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+At least in %pre it will prevent the package from installing, but this
+will fail all the transaction
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Michel Catudal at 30/11/11 01:44 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> How about putting back previously unsupported packages?
+</I>
+I presume you are asking how a package that used to exist and was
+previously provided but subsequently removed could be added back in?
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+That wouldn't be a problem, just edit task-obsolete and remove the entry
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+Col
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 30/11/11 07:25 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:39:13 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Interesting... perhaps it's the initrd in use that broke it? Or maybe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the kernel itself is busted. There will be a 3.1.4 coming very soon (as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there was a brown-paper-bag USB borkage on the 3.1.3 kernel)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If possible could you let me know what this command produces before you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update to 3.1.4:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --display mkinitrd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> output:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at Kira</A> kira]:/usr/sbin/update-alternatives --display mkinitrd
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mkinitrd - status is auto.
+</I>&gt;<i> link currently points to /sbin/mkinitrd-mkinitrd
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin/mkinitrd-mkinitrd - pirority 100
+</I>&gt;<i> Current ' best' version is sbin/mkinitrd-mkinitrd
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ---
+</I>&gt;<i> I will delay further update until this issue resolved..
+</I>
+Could you try with the new kernel 3.1.4 as things are now?
+
+If that doesn't work, boot into the old working kernel, do a &quot;urpmi
+dracut&quot; and then recreate the initrd by doing the following as root:
+
+rm -f /boot/initrd-3.1.4-desktop-1.mga2.img
+/sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.4-desktop-1.mga2
+
+
+Then reboot into the new kernel and see if it works better.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Manuel Hiebel at 29/11/11 22:33 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Feel free to add something in a wiki page: like here
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging#Main_packages_by_category">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging#Main_packages_by_category</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally (and it's going the same for the bugsquad), for new bugs, we
+</I>&gt;<i> add in cc the committers of the package, but if you don't like that, we
+</I>&gt;<i> can go with the specific groups way.
+</I>
+I certainly don't mind being CC'ed in in these cases and it's definitely
+been useful so I'm very much in favour of the bugsquad doing thing until
+anything more official gets done.
+
+Col
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, 30 Nov 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Michel Catudal at 30/11/11 01:44 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How about putting back previously unsupported packages?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I presume you are asking how a package that used to exist and was
+</I>&gt;<i> previously provided but subsequently removed could be added back in?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That wouldn't be a problem, just edit task-obsolete and remove the entry
+</I>&gt;<i> for that item, then submit task-obsolete.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then you are free to resurrect the old package again.
+</I>
+Or it can be obsoleted with &lt;= version, and later resurrected with a
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+&gt;<i> Does the idea include removing srpm also?
+</I>
+youri does not remove srpm at the moment, but it's planned to have a cron
+script to remove all srpm without any binary package in the repository :
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337</A>
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+I've converted the Fedora spec file to suit Mageia, but it is a bit
+long and complicated (3 libraries, gobject introspection).
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+Could someone check the spec file for mistakes?
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+</I>
+Religion have nothing to do with it.
+It boils down to trust. Pure and simple. I don't trust proprietary kernel packages. We can't check that nVidia doesn't spy on it's users, or in other ways try to hamper how we operate our computers. And I don't believe they are spying, but we can't check for ourself that they don't.
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 30 novembre 2011 04:39:35, Robert Fox a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Since the recent Cauldron updates - I am having serious issues under KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> and Gnome 3.2 - I think it has something to do with the latest Compiz -
+</I>&gt;<i> Now the mouse is no accurate (can't click directly on anything - it is
+</I>&gt;<i> slightly over and to the left) - and compiz appears to be broken.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Drak3d does not work because of the name change (from compiz-fusion to
+</I>&gt;<i> compiz)
+</I>[...]
+Could you try to configure compiz directly inside kde instead of using drak3d ?
+
+Regards,
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-ID: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i> Could you try with the new kernel 3.1.4 as things are now?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If that doesn't work, boot into the old working kernel, do a &quot;urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut&quot; and then recreate the initrd by doing the following as root:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -f /boot/initrd-3.1.4-desktop-1.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.4-desktop-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then reboot into the new kernel and see if it works better.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Still unable to boot into the 3.1.4 kernel from the update
+
+After executing these two command, still unable to boot.
+
+Same error message : /bin/systemctl: error while loading shared libraries:
+libsystemd-daemon.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 30/11/11 13:37 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:39:48 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could you try with the new kernel 3.1.4 as things are now?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If that doesn't work, boot into the old working kernel, do a &quot;urpmi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dracut&quot; and then recreate the initrd by doing the following as root:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rm -f /boot/initrd-3.1.4-desktop-1.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /sbin/installkernel -N 3.1.4-desktop-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then reboot into the new kernel and see if it works better.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Still unable to boot into the 3.1.4 kernel from the update
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After executing these two command, still unable to boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Same error message : /bin/systemctl: error while loading shared libraries:
+</I>&gt;<i> libsystemd-daemon.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
+</I>&gt;<i> directory
+</I>
+OK, I'll speak to Harald about his plans for dracut regarding mounting
+/usr... I'll be in touch.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
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+<PRE> Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:08:27 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+</I>&gt;<i> OK, I'll speak to Harald about his plans for dracut regarding mounting
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr... I'll be in touch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+So I should delay any further update to the kernel?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 30/11/11 14:11 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:08:27 +0800, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, I'll speak to Harald about his plans for dracut regarding mounting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr... I'll be in touch.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I should delay any further update to the kernel?
+</I>
+Well, it's just initrd updates really (technically you could fix up the
+initrd manually but it's a bit fiddly to go into the details of exactly
+how right now!) so updating the kernel isn't really a problem as you can
+just recreate the initrd again later as you've already done. You may as
+well uninstall kernel 3.1.3 tho' as it's just buggy generally and you
+likely won't ever use it.
+
+I just spoke to Harald about it and he informs me that the git version
+of dracut does the necessary mounting of /usr, so I'll look into
+creating a package tonight (hopefully - depends how successful my
+adventures into plumbing go this evening - my house is getting pretty
+cold without heating so it's the first priority!) and give you a ping to
+test. It'll basically involve updating the dracut package and then
+recreating the initrd as previously mentioned and rebooting, so it's
+pretty easy to test :)
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+--
+
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+<PRE>On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 11:13:00 pm andre999 wrote:
+&gt;<i> Jerome Quelin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 11/11/28 17:28 -0500, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; so i there some kind of meta-package which is responsible for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; obsoleting packages that should be uninstalled?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Why not do what boklm suggested on Mageia-dev (2011-11-20 18:01) :
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you don't answer the question. i'm not asking what to do in svn, that's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pretty easy. but if we do only what you suggest, then the packages will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stay installed on systems upgraded from mageia 1. and if the package is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; unmaintained, we don't want that to happen: we want the package to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; uninstalled from all mageia 2 installs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the question is: how? which package is to obsolete the list of unwanted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; softs?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; j&#233;r&#244;me
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, I should have realised that you were asking more than that :/
+</I>&gt;<i> When a package is dropped, do we usually try to force its' removal ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In this case, we are mostly trying to minimise the spellcheckers that we
+</I>&gt;<i> support. Once we drop a package, we no longer support it. So if
+</I>&gt;<i> someone has a problem with it, our solution would be &quot;install hunspell&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If it hasn't already been done, we should mention it being dropped in
+</I>&gt;<i> the release notes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To obsolete the other spellcheckers, it seems to me that the only place
+</I>&gt;<i> to put the obsolete to be reliably executed would be in hunspell.
+</I>&gt;<i> If the user doesn't have hunspell installed, then either they are using
+</I>&gt;<i> another spellchecker (which would be their choice, and we wouldn't be
+</I>&gt;<i> supporting), or none at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> another 2 cents :)
+</I>+1
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+ <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B>
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 28 novembre 2011 05:47:19, Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please go on. Some ideas :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1.Will the download have a nice window? I mean download speed/time till end,
+</I>&gt;<i> stop button, etc. Because this are big downloads, not like flash-player-plugin.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, that's how it currently works. A GTK window shows up at first run
+displaying the game's license and upon confirmation it will show
+another window for the game data download, with a progress bar,
+download speeds etc and an option to switch mirrors (haven't tried it
+yet).
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+&gt;<i> 2. As user, I would expect the download to happen at install time, rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> first run. It could be run in the post?
+</I>
+Well as Pascal said in another email I'm not sure it is a good idea, I
+think there's nothing wrong with doing the download at first run. Also
+if we move the download to %pre or %post then we can't use the graphic
+window which would be a loss in user friendliness IMO.
+
+I'm almost set to commit my modifications tonight, I have been working
+on the download and install scripts for Smokin' Guns but the need more
+testing.
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+<PRE>Is this related to .la files or a buildrequire? I think I finally have
+all the buildrequires solved.. so hope someone could assist:
+
+ CCLD libspice-client-gtk-3.0.la
+ libtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib64//libcelt051.la' seems to be moved
+ .libs/spice-widget.o: In function `get_keyboard_lock_modifiers':
+ /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/spice-widget.c:1735:
+ undefined reference to `XGetKeyboardControl'
+ .libs/vncdisplaykeymap.o: In function
+ `vnc_display_keymap_gdk2xtkbd_table':
+ /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:153:
+ undefined reference to `XkbGetKeyboard'
+ /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:162:
+ undefined reference to `XkbFreeClientMap'
+ .libs/vncdisplaykeymap.o: In function `check_for_xquartz':
+ /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:122:
+ undefined reference to `XListExtensions'
+ /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:130:
+ undefined reference to `XFreeExtensionList'
+ collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
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+I don't think XkbGetKeyboard could be undefined.
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+Assistance very welcome :)
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+<PRE>On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Is this related to .la files or a buildrequire? I think I finally have
+</I>&gt;<i> all the buildrequires solved.. so hope someone could assist:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> CCLD libspice-client-gtk-3.0.la
+</I>&gt;<i> libtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib64//libcelt051.la' seems to be moved
+</I>&gt;<i> .libs/spice-widget.o: In function `get_keyboard_lock_modifiers':
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/spice-widget.c:1735:
+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `XGetKeyboardControl'
+</I>&gt;<i> .libs/vncdisplaykeymap.o: In function
+</I>&gt;<i> `vnc_display_keymap_gdk2xtkbd_table':
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:153:
+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `XkbGetKeyboard'
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:162:
+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `XkbFreeClientMap'
+</I>&gt;<i> .libs/vncdisplaykeymap.o: In function `check_for_xquartz':
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:122:
+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `XListExtensions'
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:130:
+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `XFreeExtensionList'
+</I>&gt;<i> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think XkbGetKeyboard could be undefined.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Assistance very welcome :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Olav
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nope the error has to do with ld, the missing .la files are just warnings.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 30/11/11 14:34 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Is this related to .la files or a buildrequire? I think I finally have
+</I>&gt;<i> all the buildrequires solved.. so hope someone could assist:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> CCLD libspice-client-gtk-3.0.la
+</I>&gt;<i> libtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib64//libcelt051.la' seems to be moved
+</I>&gt;<i> .libs/spice-widget.o: In function `get_keyboard_lock_modifiers':
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/spice-widget.c:1735:
+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `XGetKeyboardControl'
+</I>&gt;<i> .libs/vncdisplaykeymap.o: In function
+</I>&gt;<i> `vnc_display_keymap_gdk2xtkbd_table':
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:153:
+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `XkbGetKeyboard'
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:162:
+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `XkbFreeClientMap'
+</I>&gt;<i> .libs/vncdisplaykeymap.o: In function `check_for_xquartz':
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:122:
+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `XListExtensions'
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:130:
+</I>&gt;<i> undefined reference to `XFreeExtensionList'
+</I>&gt;<i> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think XkbGetKeyboard could be undefined.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Assistance very welcome :)
+</I>
+I think it's basically to do with .la files.
+
+Have a look at the link line immediately preceding this error and see
+what libraries it links against.
+
+Try to see if any of those libraries have .la files. If they do try to
+rebuild them with the .la files removed (the order of rebuild might
+matter) and then you should eventually get through it.
+
+This could be indirect fallout from me stripping out various .la files
+yesterday to get x11-server to build.
+
+Here is an example of a spec change needed to accomplish the removal of
+.la files:
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/libxaw/current/SPECS/libxaw.spec?r1=84858&amp;r2=174151">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/libxaw/current/SPECS/libxaw.spec?r1=84858&amp;r2=174151</A>
+
+Hope that helps
+
+Col
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 30/11/11 14:40 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 30/11/11 14:34 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is this related to .la files or a buildrequire? I think I finally have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all the buildrequires solved.. so hope someone could assist:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> CCLD libspice-client-gtk-3.0.la
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib64//libcelt051.la' seems to be moved
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> .libs/spice-widget.o: In function `get_keyboard_lock_modifiers':
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/spice-widget.c:1735:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> undefined reference to `XGetKeyboardControl'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> .libs/vncdisplaykeymap.o: In function
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> `vnc_display_keymap_gdk2xtkbd_table':
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:153:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> undefined reference to `XkbGetKeyboard'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:162:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> undefined reference to `XkbFreeClientMap'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> .libs/vncdisplaykeymap.o: In function `check_for_xquartz':
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:122:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> undefined reference to `XListExtensions'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:130:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> undefined reference to `XFreeExtensionList'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think XkbGetKeyboard could be undefined.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Assistance very welcome :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it's basically to do with .la files.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have a look at the link line immediately preceding this error and see
+</I>&gt;<i> what libraries it links against.
+</I>
+Looking at the build log, you'll need to do &quot;V=1 make&quot; to see the full
+link line, then any -lfoo entries should be checked to see if there are
+/usr/lib[64]/libfoo.la files as mentioned in the last mail.
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 30 novembre 2011 04:39:35, Robert Fox a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Since the recent Cauldron updates - I am having serious issues under KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and Gnome 3.2 - I think it has something to do with the latest Compiz -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now the mouse is no accurate (can't click directly on anything - it is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; slightly over and to the left) - and compiz appears to be broken.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Drak3d does not work because of the name change (from compiz-fusion to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; compiz)
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you try to configure compiz directly inside kde instead of using drak3d ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+What about Gnome?? Due to problems with KDE and Evolution, I am forced
+to use Gnome (3.2) right now - so how do I enable Compiz under Gnome??
+ BTW, I shut off Compiz using Drak3d - but I can't re-enable it with
+that tool due to the renaming issue.
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+&gt;<i> What about Gnome?? Due to problems with KDE and Evolution, I am forced
+</I>&gt;<i> to use Gnome (3.2) right now - so how do I enable Compiz under Gnome??
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, I shut off Compiz using Drak3d - but I can't re-enable it with
+</I>&gt;<i> that tool due to the renaming issue.
+</I>
+GNOME 3 uses mutter. Only fallback mode uses metacity and you could
+replace that with compiz. You can force fallback mode with System
+Settings. How to switch window managers per standard no idea, but
+something like:
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+should work
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 30/11/11 15:04 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 03:58:31PM +0100, Robert Fox wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What about Gnome?? Due to problems with KDE and Evolution, I am forced
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to use Gnome (3.2) right now - so how do I enable Compiz under Gnome??
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, I shut off Compiz using Drak3d - but I can't re-enable it with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that tool due to the renaming issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> GNOME 3 uses mutter. Only fallback mode uses metacity and you could
+</I>&gt;<i> replace that with compiz. You can force fallback mode with System
+</I>&gt;<i> Settings. How to switch window managers per standard no idea, but
+</I>&gt;<i> something like:
+</I>&gt;<i> compiz --replace
+</I>&gt;<i> should work
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You'd need &quot;compiz --replace ccp&quot; there I think. And a &amp; on the end is
+normally a good idea too unless you want to keep that terminal open for
+ever :D
+
+Col
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+Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 09:53 -0300, Balcaen John wrote:
+</I>(...)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about Gnome?? Due to problems with KDE and Evolution, I am forced
+</I>&gt;<i> to use Gnome (3.2) right now - so how do I enable Compiz under Gnome??
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, I shut off Compiz using Drak3d - but I can't re-enable it with
+</I>&gt;<i> that tool due to the renaming issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> R.Fox
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi,
+
+I will submit a new compiz (latest git) this evening, hopefully it will
+correct your problems (at least in part) and not introduce too much other.
+
+Cheers
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+&gt;<i> I'm working on importing gnome-boxes. One of the dependencies is:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;libvirt-glib
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've converted the Fedora spec file to suit Mageia, but it is a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> long and complicated (3 libraries, gobject introspection).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could someone check the spec file for mistakes?
+</I>
+I think %{oname} should be virt (like it's in libvirt pkg):
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">wally at chroot</A> ~]$ rpm --eval '%mklibname libvirt-glib 1.0 0'
+lib64libvirt-glib1.0_0
+
+vs.
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">wally at chroot</A> ~]$ rpm --eval '%mklibname virt-glib 1.0 0'
+lib64virt-glib1.0_0
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+<PRE>On Wed, 30 Nov 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Manuel Hiebel at 29/11/11 22:33 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Feel free to add something in a wiki page: like here
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging#Main_packages_by_category">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging#Main_packages_by_category</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Personally (and it's going the same for the bugsquad), for new bugs, we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; add in cc the committers of the package, but if you don't like that, we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can go with the specific groups way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I certainly don't mind being CC'ed in in these cases and it's definitely
+</I>&gt;<i> been useful so I'm very much in favour of the bugsquad doing thing until
+</I>&gt;<i> anything more official gets done.
+</I>
+I don't know if we need something else than what we have now. We can do
+it like this :
+ - Sometimes we have a few people maintaining a package, and someone
+ agrees to act as official maintainer (listed in maintdb), have bugs
+ assigned to him and forward them if needed to other co-maintainers of
+ the package
+ - Sometimes we have a few people maintaining a package, but nobody wants
+ to be official maintainer, so bugsquad forward bugs to last committers
+ of the package
+
+Or maybe what we need is something to automatically add people in CC for
+some packages ?
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+</I>&gt;<i> What about Gnome??
+</I>I only suggested to try a solution for kde.
+The idea behind was to know if the fix need to be eventually in drak3d (if it
+'s working in kde) rather then compiz itself.
+
+
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We will have a packagers meeting at 19hUTC on #mageia-dev.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It will be dedicated to coming alpha2 release of Mageia 2 to improve
+</I>&gt;<i> release process and communication. Then we can finalize it with review
+</I>&gt;<i> of team including updates management.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>One (minor) point to add should be
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Migrating_Mandriva_documentation_to_Mageia">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Migrating_Mandriva_documentation_to_Mageia</A>
+and how we handle this, as the help buttons in the installer
+need to be added back until alpha 3, and what else it needs
+to get that documentation added to the distro.
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+<PRE>On 30.11.2011 15:20, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 11:13:00 pm andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Jerome Quelin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 11/11/28 17:28 -0500, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so i there some kind of meta-package which is responsible for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> obsoleting packages that should be uninstalled?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Why not do what boklm suggested on Mageia-dev (2011-11-20 18:01) :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you don't answer the question. i'm not asking what to do in svn, that's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pretty easy. but if we do only what you suggest, then the packages will
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> stay installed on systems upgraded from mageia 1. and if the package is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unmaintained, we don't want that to happen: we want the package to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> uninstalled from all mageia 2 installs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the question is: how? which package is to obsolete the list of unwanted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> softs?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> j&#233;r&#244;me
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, I should have realised that you were asking more than that :/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When a package is dropped, do we usually try to force its' removal ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In this case, we are mostly trying to minimise the spellcheckers that we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> support. Once we drop a package, we no longer support it. So if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> someone has a problem with it, our solution would be &quot;install hunspell&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If it hasn't already been done, we should mention it being dropped in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the release notes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To obsolete the other spellcheckers, it seems to me that the only place
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to put the obsolete to be reliably executed would be in hunspell.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If the user doesn't have hunspell installed, then either they are using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> another spellchecker (which would be their choice, and we wouldn't be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supporting), or none at all.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> another 2 cents :)
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>Hello!
+
+I plan to drop this ispell package - that is broken (or people must
+install ispell on their own).
+
+I don't want to drop (remove from mirrors) aspell (and unsure for about
+myspell), I will just try to force everything to use only hunspell and
+don't taint the standard installation with every possible spell-checker.
+
+Dropping aspell could be done for Mga3 - I think, now just simply don't
+use it as much as possible to make a good ground to drop it later.
+
+I will try to write a policy for packaging dicts and and info what to
+enforce to use different spell-checker.
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+ <I>Wed Nov 30 21:48:22 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>It would be interesting for us to have a sort of weekly report on what has
+changed in cauldron, the interesting points, important decisions. In mandriva-
+times there was also something like this:
+
+
+see:
+ - <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Weekly_News">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Weekly_News</A>
+ - <A HREF="http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/2010/02/28/noteworthy-mandriva-cooker-">http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/2010/02/28/noteworthy-mandriva-cooker-</A>
+changes-15-february-28-february-2010/
+
+it doesn't have to be one person and it doesn't have to be weekly, but
+something like this assures better visibility of Mageia and could be
+interesting also for packagers who aren't up 2 date on things (or advanced
+cauldron users)
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 29 november 2011 00:21:04 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+&gt;<i> so please, test mariadb, build stuff against lib64mariadbclient18 , and
+</I>&gt;<i> give opinion to which option to choose: A/B .
+</I>
+ok, so :
+3 people vote B
+0 people vote A
+0 people have disagreement
+
+==&gt; 100% agreed
+
+i'll choose B and obsolete mysql by providing mariadb in full in cauldron
+core/release likely tomorrow-night or maybe friday, depending on my time.
+
+please report any problematic issues if you find any.
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+ <B>Anssi Hannula</B>
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+<PRE>On 30.11.2011 01:33, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 29.11.2011 16:04, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/11/11 13:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 13:53:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, spoke with Bastien and he pointed me at the fixes (on the Xserver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> side).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Will push them through shortly (tho' to the xserver 1.11 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> core/updates_testing only)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should push xserver 1.11 into /release _now_ so it gets
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proper testing time from all users before Alpha 2 is released.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm happy with that but as I don't keep up to date with the binary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> driver stuff I don't know the impact.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi, can you give your &#8364;0.02?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Only nvidia173 and nvidia96xx lack support for it, while fglrx and
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia-current do work with it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, I don't think we have an up-to-date fglrx, I'll have time to
+</I>&gt;<i> check and correct that in about 24h from now.
+</I>
+It seems we had an up-to-date fglrx after all, though I committed some
+additional fixes now (including splitting out the new opencl libs).
+
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 30/11/11 14:11 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:08:27 +0800, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, I'll speak to Harald about his plans for dracut regarding mounting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr... I'll be in touch.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I should delay any further update to the kernel?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I've just updated dracut to latest git master. Make sure you do not have
+a /etc/dracut.conf.rpmnew and then regenerate your initrd as previously
+detailed and let me know if it behaves better.
+
+If not I'll look into this issue specifically but I'm hoping the git
+master patches sort this out!
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<LI><A HREF="009311.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009351.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+<LI><A HREF="009413.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+<LI><A HREF="009420.html">[Mageia-dev] oups (sysadmin help please)
+</A><A NAME="9420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+<LI><A HREF="009425.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="009509.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iptables-1.4.12.1-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+<LI><A HREF="009518.html">[Mageia-dev] dos2unix
+</A><A NAME="9518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="009709.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release btrfs-progs-0.19-1.20111027.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+<LI><A HREF="009724.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="009727.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="009732.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009736.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="009741.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel Power-Saving patch
+</A><A NAME="9741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+<LI><A HREF="009789.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="009791.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+<LI><A HREF="009823.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9823">&nbsp;</A>
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+<LI><A HREF="009850.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9850">&nbsp;</A>
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+<LI><A HREF="009871.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
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+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+<LI><A HREF="009947.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
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+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+</A><A NAME="9948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+</A><A NAME="9958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+</A><A NAME="9959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="009536.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="009545.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="009565.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009576.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009598.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009599.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009608.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009622.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009926.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009279.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009293.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009308.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009310.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009339.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009389.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009616.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009635.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [169631] Updated to 2.5beta1 (2.4.90), and Obsoletes: amarok-scripts as it isn't included anymore with this version
+</A><A NAME="9635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009636.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [169631] Updated to 2.5beta1 (2.4.90), and Obsoletes: amarok-scripts as it isn't included anymore with this version
+</A><A NAME="9636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009638.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009643.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing hunspell-1.2.15-1.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="9643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009644.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [169631] Updated to 2.5beta1 (2.4.90), and Obsoletes: amarok-scripts as it isn't included anymore with this version
+</A><A NAME="9644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009697.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009718.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009774.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009776.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009316.html">[Mageia-dev] Requesting a newbie-mailinglist for Mageia A.S.A.P.
+</A><A NAME="9316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009335.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009337.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009340.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009426.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009529.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009563.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009639.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009640.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [169631] Updated to 2.5beta1 (2.4.90), and Obsoletes: amarok-scripts as it isn't included anymore with this version
+</A><A NAME="9640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009704.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009757.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009762.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009862.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="9862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009901.html">[Mageia-dev] Libification of oxygen-gtk3
+</A><A NAME="9901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010012.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="10012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009296.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="9296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marco Benatto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009441.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009713.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009714.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009729.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009780.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009781.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009851.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-10.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009853.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-10.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009341.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009343.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009348.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009353.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009472.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009477.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009478.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009558.html">[Mageia-dev] New Packaging
+</A><A NAME="9558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mahmut Bulut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009292.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n corrections in drak tools
+</A><A NAME="9292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009527.html">[Mageia-dev] New wiki finally online
+</A><A NAME="9527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009674.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009708.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009735.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release btrfs-progs-0.19-1.20111027.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009867.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009872.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009885.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009889.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009900.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009932.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009314.html">[Mageia-dev] Requesting a newbie-mailinglist for Mageia A.S.A.P.
+</A><A NAME="9314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009374.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [164539] - add P1 to fix #2427
+</A><A NAME="9374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009375.html">[Mageia-dev] Wiki migration
+</A><A NAME="9375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009496.html">[Mageia-dev] tar-1.26
+</A><A NAME="9496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009537.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Sys-CPU-0.520.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009538.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Sys-CPU-0.520.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009539.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-MultiThread-0.900.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009547.html">[Mageia-dev] ImageJ
+</A><A NAME="9547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009556.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org
+</A><A NAME="9556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009559.html">[Mageia-dev] New Packaging
+</A><A NAME="9559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009560.html">[Mageia-dev] New Packaging
+</A><A NAME="9560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009562.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org
+</A><A NAME="9562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009626.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009628.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009646.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009686.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009758.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009760.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009763.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009786.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009815.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009841.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009893.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009920.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009610.html">[Mageia-dev] No boot after installation
+</A><A NAME="9610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009623.html">[Mageia-dev] No boot after installation
+</A><A NAME="9623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009809.html">[Mageia-dev] Eclipse MarketPlace plugin
+</A><A NAME="9809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009924.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009925.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009946.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009984.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009987.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009294.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009307.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dark Charlot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009309.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dark Charlot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009317.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dark Charlot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009650.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009892.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009288.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009300.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009318.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009359.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009361.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [164539] - add P1 to fix #2427
+</A><A NAME="9361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009362.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009437.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009507.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin hand please
+</A><A NAME="9507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009508.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin hand please
+</A><A NAME="9508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009525.html">[Mageia-dev] [info] texlive on mandriva: what not to do ;)
+</A><A NAME="9525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009700.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009771.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009795.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009805.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009806.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009807.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009856.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [160945] imported package json-smart
+</A><A NAME="9856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009860.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155556] update to 1.0.0.RELEASE
+</A><A NAME="9860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009787.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009790.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009792.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 3431] ffmpeg security update to version 0.7.8
+</A><A NAME="9792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009797.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 3431] ffmpeg security update to version 0.7.8
+</A><A NAME="9797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009347.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010014.html">[Mageia-dev] spice-gtk submission failure
+</A><A NAME="10014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthew Dawkins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009955.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Denielou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009666.html">[Mageia-dev] New here
+</A><A NAME="9666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009522.html">[Mageia-dev] [info] texlive on mandriva: what not to do ;)
+</A><A NAME="9522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009614.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009456.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release llvm-2.9-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009504.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iptables-1.4.12.1-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009299.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="9299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009414.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009486.html">[Mageia-dev] subversion-1.7.1 Report
+</A><A NAME="9486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009552.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009677.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Fail&quot; during boot process - depricated config file . .
+</A><A NAME="9677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009793.html">[Mageia-dev] Down to one missing libclutter for update
+</A><A NAME="9793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009858.html">[Mageia-dev] Filing a hardware related bug??
+</A><A NAME="9858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009866.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009869.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009870.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009873.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009876.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009879.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009881.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009903.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009904.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009930.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009934.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009937.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009940.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009949.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009994.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="9994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009995.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="9995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010018.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009744.html">[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation
+</A><A NAME="9744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009917.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009970.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009322.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009325.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009327.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009328.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009467.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009469.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009470.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009523.html">[Mageia-dev] dos2unix
+</A><A NAME="9523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009584.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009585.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009611.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009618.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009694.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009702.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009703.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009707.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009716.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009717.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009719.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009737.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009740.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel Power-Saving patch
+</A><A NAME="9740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009969.html">[Mageia-dev] glibc-debug missing libc symbols ?
+</A><A NAME="9969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009315.html">[Mageia-dev] Invitation Google Groupes : Mageia GNU/Linux
+</A><A NAME="9315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wasp (Google Groupes)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009313.html">[Mageia-dev] Requesting a newbie-mailinglist for Mageia A.S.A.P.
+</A><A NAME="9313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009284.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009295.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009303.html">[Mageia-dev] No camera input in Gnome
+</A><A NAME="9303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009304.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009319.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009324.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009326.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009377.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009387.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2131] Ensure we update the default systemd target when setting runlevel.
+</A><A NAME="9387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009388.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2133] New version 0.98
+</A><A NAME="9388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009396.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2134] Do not include chroot path in symlink.
+</A><A NAME="9396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009427.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009428.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009462.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009463.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009464.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009468.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009471.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009583.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009603.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009604.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009606.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009619.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009629.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009705.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009730.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009731.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009821.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009822.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009828.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009829.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009831.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009832.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009833.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009878.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009880.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009882.html">[Mageia-dev] Libification of oxygen-gtk3
+</A><A NAME="9882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009887.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release systemd-37-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009890.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009907.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009910.html">[Mageia-dev] Libification of oxygen-gtk3
+</A><A NAME="9910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009911.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009915.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009941.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009942.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009943.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009945.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009953.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009963.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009964.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009965.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009999.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010000.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010001.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="10001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010008.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010010.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010015.html">[Mageia-dev] spice-gtk submission failure
+</A><A NAME="10015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010016.html">[Mageia-dev] spice-gtk submission failure
+</A><A NAME="10016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010020.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010030.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009352.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009405.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009416.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009421.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009422.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009423.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009449.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009474.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release llvm-2.9-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009510.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin hand please
+</A><A NAME="9510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009803.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009839.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009844.html">[Mageia-dev] non-working uninstall trigger
+</A><A NAME="9844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009845.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009849.html">[Mageia-dev] removing .la files harmful ?
+</A><A NAME="9849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009854.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009980.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010029.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="10029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009655.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009679.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Fail&quot; during boot process - depricated config file . .
+</A><A NAME="9679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009696.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009974.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009264.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009338.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009569.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009570.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009802.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009813.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009271.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009272.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009274.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009333.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009354.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009366.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009399.html">[Mageia-dev] dir-or-file-in-tmp
+</A><A NAME="9399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009436.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009442.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009447.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009448.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009450.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009490.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009551.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009553.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009596.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009678.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009680.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Fail&quot; during boot process - depricated config file . .
+</A><A NAME="9680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009770.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009826.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009898.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009906.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009976.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010025.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="10025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009329.html">[Mageia-dev] dir-or-file-in-tmp
+</A><A NAME="9329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009330.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009384.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009913.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009996.html">[Mageia-dev] Mail client not installed
+</A><A NAME="9996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009371.html">[Mageia-dev] Compiz 0.9.x (at last)
+</A><A NAME="9371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009395.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009400.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009440.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdebase4-workspace-4.7.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009443.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009458.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release llvm-2.9-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009494.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009499.html">[Mageia-dev] tar-1.26
+</A><A NAME="9499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009533.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009554.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009590.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009630.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009710.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009720.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009751.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009753.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009754.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009756.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009819.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdebase4-runtime-4.7.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009820.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009842.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009927.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010006.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010024.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009376.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009406.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009408.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009417.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009487.html">[Mageia-dev] subversion-1.7.1 Report
+</A><A NAME="9487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009505.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin hand please
+</A><A NAME="9505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009517.html">[Mageia-dev] dos2unix
+</A><A NAME="9517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009540.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert M. Riches Jr.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009572.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert M. Riches Jr.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009356.html">[Mageia-dev] Compiz 0.9.x (at last)
+</A><A NAME="9356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009370.html">[Mageia-dev] Compiz 0.9.x (at last)
+</A><A NAME="9370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009412.html">[Mageia-dev] Compiz 0.9.x (at last)
+</A><A NAME="9412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009451.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009855.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC Compiz 0.9.x
+</A><A NAME="9855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010021.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009276.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009816.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009897.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009908.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009914.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009916.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009993.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010007.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010009.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009491.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009495.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009350.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009390.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009950.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009692.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009301.html">[Mageia-dev] No camera input in Gnome
+</A><A NAME="9301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009323.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009615.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009706.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009711.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009750.html">[Mageia-dev] No camera input in Gnome
+</A><A NAME="9750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009804.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009827.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009830.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009977.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009978.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009979.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009982.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009782.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009345.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009681.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009521.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009524.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009332.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009334.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009346.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009355.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009363.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009364.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009368.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009369.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009402.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009404.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009438.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009439.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009454.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009568.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009701.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009665.html">[Mageia-dev] New here
+</A><A NAME="9665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Raghu Nayak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009501.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009726.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009528.html">[Mageia-dev] New wiki finally online
+</A><A NAME="9528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009460.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009857.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009457.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Duane Phinney
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009810.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Duane Phinney
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009812.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Duane Phinney
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009814.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Duane Phinney
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009378.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009687.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009689.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009796.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009886.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009928.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009798.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009799.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009548.html">[Mageia-dev] ImageJ
+</A><A NAME="9548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009811.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009578.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009312.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009595.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009613.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009698.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009579.html">[Mageia-dev] BuildRequires and pkgconfig
+</A><A NAME="9579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009593.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009671.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009682.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009688.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009843.html">[Mageia-dev] non-working uninstall trigger
+</A><A NAME="9843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009847.html">[Mageia-dev] removing .la files harmful ?
+</A><A NAME="9847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009863.html">[Mageia-dev] %ldflags, a shared library (xchat-plugin)
+</A><A NAME="9863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009868.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009877.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009896.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009899.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009902.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009935.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009381.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009383.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009415.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009424.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009429.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009430.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009431.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009435.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009500.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009503.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009511.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009573.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009574.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009575.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009581.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009582.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009588.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009627.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009637.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009647.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009648.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009668.html">[Mageia-dev] New here
+</A><A NAME="9668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009693.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [170580] imported package deskbar-applet
+</A><A NAME="9693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009715.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009728.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release btrfs-progs-0.19-1.20111027.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009759.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009765.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009778.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009779.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009785.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009861.html">[Mageia-dev] %ldflags, a shared library (xchat-plugin)
+</A><A NAME="9861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009865.html">[Mageia-dev] %ldflags, a shared library (xchat-plugin)
+</A><A NAME="9865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009875.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009883.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009888.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009894.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009921.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009985.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010026.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009262.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009277.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009278.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009379.html">[Mageia-dev] dir-or-file-in-tmp
+</A><A NAME="9379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009380.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009382.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009444.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009445.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009446.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009452.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009453.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009482.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release llvm-2.9-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009498.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009502.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009506.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009526.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009541.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009542.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009675.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009801.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009891.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009895.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009905.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009512.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009519.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009699.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Peter Schwanemann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009273.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009275.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009280.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009282.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009285.html">[Mageia-dev] The &quot;stupid and idiot&quot; debate (Was: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing)
+</A><A NAME="9285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009289.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009297.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009305.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009407.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009459.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009479.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009480.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009484.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009555.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009649.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009654.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009683.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009835.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009973.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009975.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010005.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="10005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009306.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009372.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009373.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009411.html">[Mageia-dev] horde dep issues
+</A><A NAME="9411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009513.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009557.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009591.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009592.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009625.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009631.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009733.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010011.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009393.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009397.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009398.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009401.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009695.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009944.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009952.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009957.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009961.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009962.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009981.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009983.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009561.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org
+</A><A NAME="9561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009777.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009938.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009998.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="9998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009589.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009265.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009267.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009331.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009342.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009344.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009349.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009403.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009409.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009410.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009485.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009489.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Cross-Distribution devroom: Call for Participation
+</A><A NAME="9489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009534.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009564.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009566.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009567.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009577.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009597.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009600.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009607.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009609.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009612.html">[Mageia-dev] No boot after installation
+</A><A NAME="9612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009620.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009621.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009624.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009658.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009660.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009663.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009667.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009712.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009752.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009755.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009761.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009817.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009859.html">[Mageia-dev] Filing a hardware related bug??
+</A><A NAME="9859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009918.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009919.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009923.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009971.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009972.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010027.html">[Mageia-dev] request for volunteer: noting important cauldron changes
+</A><A NAME="10027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010028.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="10028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009544.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009550.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009657.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009672.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009320.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-beta-l10n-8.0b5-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009321.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 2157 - Switch to &quot;standard&quot; rpm metadata for package repositories in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009357.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009358.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009360.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009385.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2131] Ensure we update the default systemd target when setting runlevel.
+</A><A NAME="9385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009386.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2133] New version 0.98
+</A><A NAME="9386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009391.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009392.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2134] Do not include chroot path in symlink.
+</A><A NAME="9392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009394.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2131] Ensure we update the default systemd target when setting runlevel.
+</A><A NAME="9394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009434.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009514.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2142] left banner for Mageia 2 alpha 1
+</A><A NAME="9514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009515.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2130] Update NEWS
+</A><A NAME="9515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009516.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009520.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009532.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-MultiThread-0.900.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009531.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Sys-CPU-0.520.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009543.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009587.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2152] fixed pot file so it passes msgfmt -c
+</A><A NAME="9587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009601.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing mesa-7.11.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009641.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing hunspell-1.2.15-1.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="9641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009662.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release arj-3.10.22-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009670.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release arj-3.10.22-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009722.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009723.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009725.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009745.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Unicode-UTF8-0.510.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009746.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2143] increase version
+</A><A NAME="9746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009747.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2130] Update NEWS
+</A><A NAME="9747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009748.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2143] increase version
+</A><A NAME="9748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009749.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakxtools-13.70-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009764.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release parallel-20111122-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009766.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release oxygen-gtk-1.1.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009772.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009775.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009818.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdebase4-runtime-4.7.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009846.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-10.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009852.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-10.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009864.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="9864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009283.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009286.html">[Mageia-dev] The &quot;stupid and idiot&quot; debate (Was: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing)
+</A><A NAME="9286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009738.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009739.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009834.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009836.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009837.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009848.html">[Mageia-dev] removing .la files harmful ?
+</A><A NAME="9848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009929.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009931.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009951.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11 (was: gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut)
+</A><A NAME="9951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009956.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009960.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010004.html">[Mageia-dev] Additional spec check: libvirt-glib
+</A><A NAME="10004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010013.html">[Mageia-dev] spice-gtk submission failure
+</A><A NAME="10013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010019.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009365.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [164539] - add P1 to fix #2427
+</A><A NAME="9365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009642.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009691.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [170580] imported package deskbar-applet
+</A><A NAME="9691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009794.html">[Mageia-dev] Down to one missing libclutter for update
+</A><A NAME="9794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009967.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009968.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010022.html">[Mageia-dev] Additional spec check: libvirt-glib
+</A><A NAME="10022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009784.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Mageia-discuss] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Call for stands, devroom talks and lightning talks
+</A><A NAME="9784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009302.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009497.html">[Mageia-dev] tar-1.26
+</A><A NAME="9497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009605.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009768.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009788.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009808.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009986.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009336.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Z&#233;zinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009266.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009270.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009287.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009290.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009291.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="9291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009461.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009466.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009473.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009476.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009483.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009535.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009632.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009721.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009783.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009922.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009988.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009989.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009990.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009991.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009992.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009690.html">[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation
+</A><A NAME="9690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009743.html">[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation
+</A><A NAME="9743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009800.html">[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation
+</A><A NAME="9800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009912.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009602.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009617.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009546.html">[Mageia-dev] ImageJ
+</A><A NAME="9546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009549.html">[Mageia-dev] ImageJ
+</A><A NAME="9549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009571.html">[Mageia-dev] BuildRequires and pkgconfig
+</A><A NAME="9571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009580.html">[Mageia-dev] BuildRequires and pkgconfig
+</A><A NAME="9580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009767.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009769.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009433.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>peter f miller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009367.html">[Mageia-dev] Wiki migration
+</A><A NAME="9367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009432.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha1 - reminder
+</A><A NAME="9432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009488.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Cross-Distribution devroom: Call for Participation
+</A><A NAME="9488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009825.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009838.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 alpha 1 is out
+</A><A NAME="9838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010017.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="10017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009594.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009263.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009268.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009269.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009281.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009298.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009419.html">[Mageia-dev] oups (sysadmin help please)
+</A><A NAME="9419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009455.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009465.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009651.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009652.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009653.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009659.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009661.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009664.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009673.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009684.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009685.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009933.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009936.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009939.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009954.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009966.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010002.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010003.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010023.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="10023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009475.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>xi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009481.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>xi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009418.html">[Mageia-dev] oups (sysadmin help please)
+</A><A NAME="9418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009530.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009586.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009633.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin : please drop sugar-calculator
+</A><A NAME="9633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009634.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin : please drop sugar-calculator
+</A><A NAME="9634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009645.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009656.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009669.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release arj-3.10.22-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009676.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009734.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009742.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel Power-Saving patch
+</A><A NAME="9742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009773.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009840.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009997.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="9997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009909.html">[Mageia-dev] Xfce default shortcuts
+</A><A NAME="9909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pe&#357;o&#353; &#352;afa&#345;&#237;k
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Nov 30 23:49:30 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Nov 30 23:49:08 CET 2011</i>
+ <p>
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+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <h1>November 2011 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Nov 1 00:32:38 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Nov 30 23:49:30 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 767<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009262.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009263.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009264.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009265.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009266.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009267.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009268.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009269.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009270.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009271.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009272.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009273.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009274.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009275.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009276.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009277.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009278.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009279.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009280.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009281.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009283.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009282.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009284.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009285.html">[Mageia-dev] The &quot;stupid and idiot&quot; debate (Was: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing)
+</A><A NAME="9285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009286.html">[Mageia-dev] The &quot;stupid and idiot&quot; debate (Was: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing)
+</A><A NAME="9286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009287.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009288.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009289.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009290.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009291.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="9291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009292.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n corrections in drak tools
+</A><A NAME="9292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009293.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009294.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009295.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009296.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="9296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marco Benatto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009297.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009298.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009299.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="9299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009300.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009301.html">[Mageia-dev] No camera input in Gnome
+</A><A NAME="9301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009302.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009303.html">[Mageia-dev] No camera input in Gnome
+</A><A NAME="9303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009304.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009305.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009306.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009307.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dark Charlot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009308.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009309.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dark Charlot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009310.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009311.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009312.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009313.html">[Mageia-dev] Requesting a newbie-mailinglist for Mageia A.S.A.P.
+</A><A NAME="9313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009314.html">[Mageia-dev] Requesting a newbie-mailinglist for Mageia A.S.A.P.
+</A><A NAME="9314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009315.html">[Mageia-dev] Invitation Google Groupes : Mageia GNU/Linux
+</A><A NAME="9315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wasp (Google Groupes)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009316.html">[Mageia-dev] Requesting a newbie-mailinglist for Mageia A.S.A.P.
+</A><A NAME="9316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009317.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dark Charlot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009318.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009319.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009320.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-beta-l10n-8.0b5-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009321.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 2157 - Switch to &quot;standard&quot; rpm metadata for package repositories in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009322.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009323.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009324.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009325.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009326.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009327.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009328.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009329.html">[Mageia-dev] dir-or-file-in-tmp
+</A><A NAME="9329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009379.html">[Mageia-dev] dir-or-file-in-tmp
+</A><A NAME="9379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009330.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009331.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009332.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009333.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009334.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009335.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009336.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Z&#233;zinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009337.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009338.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009339.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009340.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009341.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009342.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009343.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009344.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009345.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009346.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009347.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009348.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009349.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009350.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009351.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009352.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009353.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009354.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009356.html">[Mageia-dev] Compiz 0.9.x (at last)
+</A><A NAME="9356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009355.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009357.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009358.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009359.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009360.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009361.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [164539] - add P1 to fix #2427
+</A><A NAME="9361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009362.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009370.html">[Mageia-dev] Compiz 0.9.x (at last)
+</A><A NAME="9370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009363.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009364.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009365.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [164539] - add P1 to fix #2427
+</A><A NAME="9365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009366.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009367.html">[Mageia-dev] Wiki migration
+</A><A NAME="9367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009368.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009369.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009371.html">[Mageia-dev] Compiz 0.9.x (at last)
+</A><A NAME="9371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009372.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009373.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009374.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [164539] - add P1 to fix #2427
+</A><A NAME="9374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009375.html">[Mageia-dev] Wiki migration
+</A><A NAME="9375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009376.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009377.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009378.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009380.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009381.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009382.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009383.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009384.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009385.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2131] Ensure we update the default systemd target when setting runlevel.
+</A><A NAME="9385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009386.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2133] New version 0.98
+</A><A NAME="9386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009387.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2131] Ensure we update the default systemd target when setting runlevel.
+</A><A NAME="9387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009388.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2133] New version 0.98
+</A><A NAME="9388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009389.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009390.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009391.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009392.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2134] Do not include chroot path in symlink.
+</A><A NAME="9392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009393.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009394.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2131] Ensure we update the default systemd target when setting runlevel.
+</A><A NAME="9394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009395.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009396.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2134] Do not include chroot path in symlink.
+</A><A NAME="9396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009397.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009398.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009399.html">[Mageia-dev] dir-or-file-in-tmp
+</A><A NAME="9399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009400.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009401.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009402.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009412.html">[Mageia-dev] Compiz 0.9.x (at last)
+</A><A NAME="9412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009403.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009404.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009405.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009406.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009407.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009408.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009409.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009410.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009411.html">[Mageia-dev] horde dep issues
+</A><A NAME="9411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009413.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009414.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009415.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009416.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009417.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009418.html">[Mageia-dev] oups (sysadmin help please)
+</A><A NAME="9418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009419.html">[Mageia-dev] oups (sysadmin help please)
+</A><A NAME="9419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009420.html">[Mageia-dev] oups (sysadmin help please)
+</A><A NAME="9420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009421.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009422.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009423.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009424.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009425.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009426.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009427.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009428.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009429.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009430.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009431.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009432.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha1 - reminder
+</A><A NAME="9432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009433.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>peter f miller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009434.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009435.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009436.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009438.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009437.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009439.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009440.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdebase4-workspace-4.7.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009441.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009442.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009443.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009444.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009445.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009446.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009451.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009447.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009448.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009449.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009450.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009452.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009453.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009454.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009490.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009455.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009456.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release llvm-2.9-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009457.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Duane Phinney
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009458.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release llvm-2.9-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009459.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009460.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009461.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009462.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009463.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009464.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009465.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009466.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009467.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009468.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009469.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009470.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009471.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009472.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009473.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009474.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release llvm-2.9-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009475.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>xi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009476.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009477.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009478.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009479.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009480.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009481.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>xi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009482.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release llvm-2.9-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009483.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009484.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009485.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009486.html">[Mageia-dev] subversion-1.7.1 Report
+</A><A NAME="9486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009487.html">[Mageia-dev] subversion-1.7.1 Report
+</A><A NAME="9487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009488.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Cross-Distribution devroom: Call for Participation
+</A><A NAME="9488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009489.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Cross-Distribution devroom: Call for Participation
+</A><A NAME="9489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009491.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009494.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009495.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009496.html">[Mageia-dev] tar-1.26
+</A><A NAME="9496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009497.html">[Mageia-dev] tar-1.26
+</A><A NAME="9497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009498.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009499.html">[Mageia-dev] tar-1.26
+</A><A NAME="9499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009500.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009501.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009502.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009503.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009504.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iptables-1.4.12.1-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009505.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin hand please
+</A><A NAME="9505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009506.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009507.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin hand please
+</A><A NAME="9507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009508.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin hand please
+</A><A NAME="9508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009509.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iptables-1.4.12.1-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009510.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin hand please
+</A><A NAME="9510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009511.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009512.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009513.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009514.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2142] left banner for Mageia 2 alpha 1
+</A><A NAME="9514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009515.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2130] Update NEWS
+</A><A NAME="9515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009516.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009517.html">[Mageia-dev] dos2unix
+</A><A NAME="9517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009518.html">[Mageia-dev] dos2unix
+</A><A NAME="9518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009519.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009520.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009521.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009524.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009522.html">[Mageia-dev] [info] texlive on mandriva: what not to do ;)
+</A><A NAME="9522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009523.html">[Mageia-dev] dos2unix
+</A><A NAME="9523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009525.html">[Mageia-dev] [info] texlive on mandriva: what not to do ;)
+</A><A NAME="9525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009526.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009527.html">[Mageia-dev] New wiki finally online
+</A><A NAME="9527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009528.html">[Mageia-dev] New wiki finally online
+</A><A NAME="9528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009529.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009534.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009530.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009532.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-MultiThread-0.900.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009531.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Sys-CPU-0.520.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009533.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009535.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009536.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009537.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Sys-CPU-0.520.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009538.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Sys-CPU-0.520.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009539.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-MultiThread-0.900.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009540.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert M. Riches Jr.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009541.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009542.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009543.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009544.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009545.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009547.html">[Mageia-dev] ImageJ
+</A><A NAME="9547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009548.html">[Mageia-dev] ImageJ
+</A><A NAME="9548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009546.html">[Mageia-dev] ImageJ
+</A><A NAME="9546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009550.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009551.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009552.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009549.html">[Mageia-dev] ImageJ
+</A><A NAME="9549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009553.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009554.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009555.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009556.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org
+</A><A NAME="9556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009557.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009558.html">[Mageia-dev] New Packaging
+</A><A NAME="9558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mahmut Bulut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009559.html">[Mageia-dev] New Packaging
+</A><A NAME="9559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009560.html">[Mageia-dev] New Packaging
+</A><A NAME="9560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009561.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org
+</A><A NAME="9561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009562.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org
+</A><A NAME="9562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009563.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009564.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009565.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009566.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009567.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009568.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009569.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009570.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009571.html">[Mageia-dev] BuildRequires and pkgconfig
+</A><A NAME="9571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009572.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert M. Riches Jr.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009573.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009574.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009575.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009576.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009577.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009578.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009589.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009579.html">[Mageia-dev] BuildRequires and pkgconfig
+</A><A NAME="9579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009580.html">[Mageia-dev] BuildRequires and pkgconfig
+</A><A NAME="9580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009581.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009582.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009583.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009584.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009585.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009586.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009587.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2152] fixed pot file so it passes msgfmt -c
+</A><A NAME="9587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009588.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009590.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009591.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009592.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009593.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009594.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009595.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009596.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009597.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009598.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009599.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009600.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009601.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing mesa-7.11.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009602.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009603.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009604.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009605.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009606.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009607.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009608.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009609.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009610.html">[Mageia-dev] No boot after installation
+</A><A NAME="9610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009611.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009612.html">[Mageia-dev] No boot after installation
+</A><A NAME="9612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009613.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009614.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009615.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009616.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009617.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009618.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009619.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009620.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009621.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009622.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009623.html">[Mageia-dev] No boot after installation
+</A><A NAME="9623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009624.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009625.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009626.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009627.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009628.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009629.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009630.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009631.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009632.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009633.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin : please drop sugar-calculator
+</A><A NAME="9633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009634.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin : please drop sugar-calculator
+</A><A NAME="9634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009635.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [169631] Updated to 2.5beta1 (2.4.90), and Obsoletes: amarok-scripts as it isn't included anymore with this version
+</A><A NAME="9635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009636.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [169631] Updated to 2.5beta1 (2.4.90), and Obsoletes: amarok-scripts as it isn't included anymore with this version
+</A><A NAME="9636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009637.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009638.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009639.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009640.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [169631] Updated to 2.5beta1 (2.4.90), and Obsoletes: amarok-scripts as it isn't included anymore with this version
+</A><A NAME="9640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009641.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing hunspell-1.2.15-1.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="9641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009642.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009643.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing hunspell-1.2.15-1.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="9643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009644.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [169631] Updated to 2.5beta1 (2.4.90), and Obsoletes: amarok-scripts as it isn't included anymore with this version
+</A><A NAME="9644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009645.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009646.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009647.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009648.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009649.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009650.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009651.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009652.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009653.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009654.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009655.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009656.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009657.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009658.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009659.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009660.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009661.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009662.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release arj-3.10.22-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009663.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009665.html">[Mageia-dev] New here
+</A><A NAME="9665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Raghu Nayak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009664.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009666.html">[Mageia-dev] New here
+</A><A NAME="9666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009667.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009668.html">[Mageia-dev] New here
+</A><A NAME="9668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009669.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release arj-3.10.22-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009670.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release arj-3.10.22-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009671.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009672.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009673.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009674.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009675.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009676.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009677.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Fail&quot; during boot process - depricated config file . .
+</A><A NAME="9677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009678.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009679.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Fail&quot; during boot process - depricated config file . .
+</A><A NAME="9679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009680.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Fail&quot; during boot process - depricated config file . .
+</A><A NAME="9680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009681.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009682.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009683.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009684.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009685.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009686.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009687.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009688.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009689.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009690.html">[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation
+</A><A NAME="9690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009691.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [170580] imported package deskbar-applet
+</A><A NAME="9691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009693.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [170580] imported package deskbar-applet
+</A><A NAME="9693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009692.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009694.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009695.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009696.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009697.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009698.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009699.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Peter Schwanemann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009700.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009701.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009702.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009703.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009704.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009705.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009706.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009707.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009708.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009709.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release btrfs-progs-0.19-1.20111027.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009710.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009711.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009712.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009713.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009714.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009715.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009716.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009717.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009718.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009719.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009720.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009721.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009722.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009723.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009724.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009725.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009726.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009727.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009728.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release btrfs-progs-0.19-1.20111027.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009729.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009730.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009731.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009732.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009733.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009734.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009735.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release btrfs-progs-0.19-1.20111027.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009736.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009737.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009738.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009739.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009740.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel Power-Saving patch
+</A><A NAME="9740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009741.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel Power-Saving patch
+</A><A NAME="9741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009742.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel Power-Saving patch
+</A><A NAME="9742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009743.html">[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation
+</A><A NAME="9743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009744.html">[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation
+</A><A NAME="9744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009745.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Unicode-UTF8-0.510.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009746.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2143] increase version
+</A><A NAME="9746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009747.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2130] Update NEWS
+</A><A NAME="9747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009748.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2143] increase version
+</A><A NAME="9748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009749.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakxtools-13.70-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009750.html">[Mageia-dev] No camera input in Gnome
+</A><A NAME="9750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009751.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009752.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009753.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009754.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009755.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009756.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009757.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009758.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009759.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009760.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009761.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009762.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009763.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009764.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release parallel-20111122-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009765.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009766.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release oxygen-gtk-1.1.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009767.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009768.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009769.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009770.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009771.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009772.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009773.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009774.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009775.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009776.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009777.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009778.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009779.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009780.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009781.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009782.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009783.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009784.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Mageia-discuss] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Call for stands, devroom talks and lightning talks
+</A><A NAME="9784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009785.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009786.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009787.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009788.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009789.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009790.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009791.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009792.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 3431] ffmpeg security update to version 0.7.8
+</A><A NAME="9792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009793.html">[Mageia-dev] Down to one missing libclutter for update
+</A><A NAME="9793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009794.html">[Mageia-dev] Down to one missing libclutter for update
+</A><A NAME="9794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009795.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009796.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009797.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 3431] ffmpeg security update to version 0.7.8
+</A><A NAME="9797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009798.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009799.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009800.html">[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation
+</A><A NAME="9800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009801.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009802.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009803.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009804.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009805.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009806.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009807.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009808.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009809.html">[Mageia-dev] Eclipse MarketPlace plugin
+</A><A NAME="9809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009810.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Duane Phinney
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009811.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009812.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Duane Phinney
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009813.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009814.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Duane Phinney
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009815.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009816.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009817.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009818.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdebase4-runtime-4.7.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009819.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdebase4-runtime-4.7.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009820.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009821.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009822.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009823.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009824.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009825.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009826.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009827.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009828.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009829.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009830.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009831.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009832.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009833.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009834.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009835.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009836.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009837.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009838.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 alpha 1 is out
+</A><A NAME="9838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009839.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009840.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009841.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009842.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009843.html">[Mageia-dev] non-working uninstall trigger
+</A><A NAME="9843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009844.html">[Mageia-dev] non-working uninstall trigger
+</A><A NAME="9844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009845.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009846.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-10.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009847.html">[Mageia-dev] removing .la files harmful ?
+</A><A NAME="9847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009848.html">[Mageia-dev] removing .la files harmful ?
+</A><A NAME="9848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009849.html">[Mageia-dev] removing .la files harmful ?
+</A><A NAME="9849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009850.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009851.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-10.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009852.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-10.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009853.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-10.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009854.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009855.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC Compiz 0.9.x
+</A><A NAME="9855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009856.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [160945] imported package json-smart
+</A><A NAME="9856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009857.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009858.html">[Mageia-dev] Filing a hardware related bug??
+</A><A NAME="9858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009859.html">[Mageia-dev] Filing a hardware related bug??
+</A><A NAME="9859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009860.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155556] update to 1.0.0.RELEASE
+</A><A NAME="9860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009861.html">[Mageia-dev] %ldflags, a shared library (xchat-plugin)
+</A><A NAME="9861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009862.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="9862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009863.html">[Mageia-dev] %ldflags, a shared library (xchat-plugin)
+</A><A NAME="9863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009864.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="9864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009865.html">[Mageia-dev] %ldflags, a shared library (xchat-plugin)
+</A><A NAME="9865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009866.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009867.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009868.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009869.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009870.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009871.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009872.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009873.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009874.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009875.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009876.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009877.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009879.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009878.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009880.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009881.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009882.html">[Mageia-dev] Libification of oxygen-gtk3
+</A><A NAME="9882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009883.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009884.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release systemd-37-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009885.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009886.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009887.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release systemd-37-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009888.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009889.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009890.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009891.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009892.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009893.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009894.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009895.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009896.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009897.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009898.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009899.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009900.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009901.html">[Mageia-dev] Libification of oxygen-gtk3
+</A><A NAME="9901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009902.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009903.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009904.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009905.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009906.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009907.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009908.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009909.html">[Mageia-dev] Xfce default shortcuts
+</A><A NAME="9909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pe&#357;o&#353; &#352;afa&#345;&#237;k
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009910.html">[Mageia-dev] Libification of oxygen-gtk3
+</A><A NAME="9910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009911.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009912.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009913.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009914.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009915.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009916.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009917.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009918.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009919.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009920.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009921.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009922.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009923.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009924.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009925.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009926.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009927.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009928.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009929.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009930.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009931.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009932.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009933.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009934.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009935.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009936.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009937.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009938.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009939.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009940.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009941.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009942.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009944.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009943.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009945.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009946.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009947.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009948.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11 (was: gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut)
+</A><A NAME="9948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009949.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009950.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009951.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11 (was: gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut)
+</A><A NAME="9951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009952.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009955.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Denielou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009953.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009954.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009956.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009957.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009958.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009959.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009960.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009961.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009962.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009963.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009964.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009965.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009966.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009967.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009968.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009969.html">[Mageia-dev] glibc-debug missing libc symbols ?
+</A><A NAME="9969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009970.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009971.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009972.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009973.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009974.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009975.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009976.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009977.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009978.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009979.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009980.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009981.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009982.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009983.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009984.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009985.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009986.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009987.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009988.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009989.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009990.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009991.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009992.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009993.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009994.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="9994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009995.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="9995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009996.html">[Mageia-dev] Mail client not installed
+</A><A NAME="9996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009997.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="9997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009998.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="9998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009999.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010000.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010001.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="10001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010002.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010003.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010004.html">[Mageia-dev] Additional spec check: libvirt-glib
+</A><A NAME="10004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010005.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="10005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010006.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010007.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010008.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010009.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010010.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010011.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010012.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="10012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010013.html">[Mageia-dev] spice-gtk submission failure
+</A><A NAME="10013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010014.html">[Mageia-dev] spice-gtk submission failure
+</A><A NAME="10014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthew Dawkins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010015.html">[Mageia-dev] spice-gtk submission failure
+</A><A NAME="10015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010016.html">[Mageia-dev] spice-gtk submission failure
+</A><A NAME="10016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010017.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="10017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010018.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010019.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010021.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010020.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010022.html">[Mageia-dev] Additional spec check: libvirt-glib
+</A><A NAME="10022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010023.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="10023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010024.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010025.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="10025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010026.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010027.html">[Mageia-dev] request for volunteer: noting important cauldron changes
+</A><A NAME="10027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010028.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="10028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010029.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="10029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010030.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Nov 30 23:49:30 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Nov 30 23:49:08 CET 2011</i>
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+ <h1>November 2011 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Nov 1 00:32:38 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Nov 30 23:49:30 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 767<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009677.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Fail&quot; during boot process - depricated config file . .
+</A><A NAME="9677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009679.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Fail&quot; during boot process - depricated config file . .
+</A><A NAME="9679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009680.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Fail&quot; during boot process - depricated config file . .
+</A><A NAME="9680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009861.html">[Mageia-dev] %ldflags, a shared library (xchat-plugin)
+</A><A NAME="9861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009863.html">[Mageia-dev] %ldflags, a shared library (xchat-plugin)
+</A><A NAME="9863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009865.html">[Mageia-dev] %ldflags, a shared library (xchat-plugin)
+</A><A NAME="9865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009540.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert M. Riches Jr.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009541.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009551.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009594.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009595.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009596.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009604.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009613.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009792.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 3431] ffmpeg security update to version 0.7.8
+</A><A NAME="9792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009797.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 3431] ffmpeg security update to version 0.7.8
+</A><A NAME="9797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009641.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing hunspell-1.2.15-1.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="9641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009643.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing hunspell-1.2.15-1.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="9643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009336.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Z&#233;zinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009662.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release arj-3.10.22-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009669.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release arj-3.10.22-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009670.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release arj-3.10.22-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009902.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009393.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009395.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009397.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009398.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009400.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009401.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009491.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009494.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009495.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009749.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakxtools-13.70-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009320.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-beta-l10n-8.0b5-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009509.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iptables-1.4.12.1-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009818.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdebase4-runtime-4.7.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009819.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdebase4-runtime-4.7.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009440.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdebase4-workspace-4.7.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009279.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009335.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009337.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009339.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009340.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009389.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009390.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009402.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009403.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009406.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009409.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009410.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009426.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009438.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009439.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009454.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009529.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009530.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009533.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009544.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009553.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009554.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009563.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009568.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009586.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009590.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009917.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009942.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009456.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release llvm-2.9-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009458.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release llvm-2.9-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009751.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009752.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009753.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009754.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009755.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009756.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009761.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009846.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-10.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009851.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-10.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009852.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-10.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009853.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-10.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009722.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009730.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009780.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009781.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009723.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009724.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009766.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release oxygen-gtk-1.1.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009764.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release parallel-20111122-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009532.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-MultiThread-0.900.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009539.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-MultiThread-0.900.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009288.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009377.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009531.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Sys-CPU-0.520.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009537.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Sys-CPU-0.520.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009538.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Sys-CPU-0.520.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009745.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Unicode-UTF8-0.510.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009516.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009543.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009557.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009591.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009592.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009593.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009550.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009555.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009504.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iptables-1.4.12.1-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009338.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009380.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009445.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009542.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009569.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009570.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009970.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009474.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release llvm-2.9-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009482.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release llvm-2.9-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009711.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009738.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009378.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009601.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing mesa-7.11.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009728.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release btrfs-progs-0.19-1.20111027.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009735.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release btrfs-progs-0.19-1.20111027.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009709.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release btrfs-progs-0.19-1.20111027.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009884.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release systemd-37-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009887.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release systemd-37-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009351.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009352.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009357.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009358.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009359.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009360.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009362.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009522.html">[Mageia-dev] [info] texlive on mandriva: what not to do ;)
+</A><A NAME="9522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009525.html">[Mageia-dev] [info] texlive on mandriva: what not to do ;)
+</A><A NAME="9525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009811.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009812.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Duane Phinney
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009813.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009814.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Duane Phinney
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009817.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009835.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009860.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155556] update to 1.0.0.RELEASE
+</A><A NAME="9860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009856.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [160945] imported package json-smart
+</A><A NAME="9856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009361.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [164539] - add P1 to fix #2427
+</A><A NAME="9361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009365.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [164539] - add P1 to fix #2427
+</A><A NAME="9365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009374.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [164539] - add P1 to fix #2427
+</A><A NAME="9374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009635.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [169631] Updated to 2.5beta1 (2.4.90), and Obsoletes: amarok-scripts as it isn't included anymore with this version
+</A><A NAME="9635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009636.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [169631] Updated to 2.5beta1 (2.4.90), and Obsoletes: amarok-scripts as it isn't included anymore with this version
+</A><A NAME="9636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009640.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [169631] Updated to 2.5beta1 (2.4.90), and Obsoletes: amarok-scripts as it isn't included anymore with this version
+</A><A NAME="9640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009644.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [169631] Updated to 2.5beta1 (2.4.90), and Obsoletes: amarok-scripts as it isn't included anymore with this version
+</A><A NAME="9644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009693.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [170580] imported package deskbar-applet
+</A><A NAME="9693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009691.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [170580] imported package deskbar-applet
+</A><A NAME="9691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009455.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009465.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009466.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009857.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009436.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009460.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009437.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009446.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009448.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009453.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009490.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009457.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Duane Phinney
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009498.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009443.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009442.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009444.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009451.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009447.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009449.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009450.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009452.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009461.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009462.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009515.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2130] Update NEWS
+</A><A NAME="9515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009747.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2130] Update NEWS
+</A><A NAME="9747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009385.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2131] Ensure we update the default systemd target when setting runlevel.
+</A><A NAME="9385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009387.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2131] Ensure we update the default systemd target when setting runlevel.
+</A><A NAME="9387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009394.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2131] Ensure we update the default systemd target when setting runlevel.
+</A><A NAME="9394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009386.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2133] New version 0.98
+</A><A NAME="9386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009388.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2133] New version 0.98
+</A><A NAME="9388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009392.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2134] Do not include chroot path in symlink.
+</A><A NAME="9392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009396.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2134] Do not include chroot path in symlink.
+</A><A NAME="9396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009514.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2142] left banner for Mageia 2 alpha 1
+</A><A NAME="9514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009746.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2143] increase version
+</A><A NAME="9746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009748.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2143] increase version
+</A><A NAME="9748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009587.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2152] fixed pot file so it passes msgfmt -c
+</A><A NAME="9587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009637.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009638.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009642.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009645.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009646.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009647.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009648.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009649.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009650.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010004.html">[Mageia-dev] Additional spec check: libvirt-glib
+</A><A NAME="10004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010022.html">[Mageia-dev] Additional spec check: libvirt-glib
+</A><A NAME="10022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009690.html">[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation
+</A><A NAME="9690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009743.html">[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation
+</A><A NAME="9743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009744.html">[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation
+</A><A NAME="9744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009800.html">[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation
+</A><A NAME="9800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009432.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha1 - reminder
+</A><A NAME="9432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009321.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 2157 - Switch to &quot;standard&quot; rpm metadata for package repositories in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009571.html">[Mageia-dev] BuildRequires and pkgconfig
+</A><A NAME="9571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009579.html">[Mageia-dev] BuildRequires and pkgconfig
+</A><A NAME="9579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009580.html">[Mageia-dev] BuildRequires and pkgconfig
+</A><A NAME="9580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009552.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009572.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert M. Riches Jr.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009578.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009589.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009583.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009652.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009653.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009654.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009655.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009656.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009657.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009658.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009659.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009660.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009661.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009663.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009664.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009667.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009671.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009672.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009673.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009674.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009675.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009676.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009678.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009681.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009682.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009683.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009684.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009685.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009712.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009713.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009721.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009556.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org
+</A><A NAME="9556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009561.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org
+</A><A NAME="9561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009562.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org
+</A><A NAME="9562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009356.html">[Mageia-dev] Compiz 0.9.x (at last)
+</A><A NAME="9356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009370.html">[Mageia-dev] Compiz 0.9.x (at last)
+</A><A NAME="9370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009371.html">[Mageia-dev] Compiz 0.9.x (at last)
+</A><A NAME="9371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009412.html">[Mageia-dev] Compiz 0.9.x (at last)
+</A><A NAME="9412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009381.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009382.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009383.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009384.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009391.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009430.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009431.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009433.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>peter f miller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009435.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009512.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009513.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009519.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009886.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009922.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009928.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009931.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009988.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010011.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010026.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009427.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009428.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009434.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009441.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009463.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009464.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009467.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009468.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009469.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009471.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009520.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009329.html">[Mageia-dev] dir-or-file-in-tmp
+</A><A NAME="9329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009379.html">[Mageia-dev] dir-or-file-in-tmp
+</A><A NAME="9379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009399.html">[Mageia-dev] dir-or-file-in-tmp
+</A><A NAME="9399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009517.html">[Mageia-dev] dos2unix
+</A><A NAME="9517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009518.html">[Mageia-dev] dos2unix
+</A><A NAME="9518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009523.html">[Mageia-dev] dos2unix
+</A><A NAME="9523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009793.html">[Mageia-dev] Down to one missing libclutter for update
+</A><A NAME="9793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009794.html">[Mageia-dev] Down to one missing libclutter for update
+</A><A NAME="9794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009692.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009694.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009695.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009696.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009697.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009698.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009699.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Peter Schwanemann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009700.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009701.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009702.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009703.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009704.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009706.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009707.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009708.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009710.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009714.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009715.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009716.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009717.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009718.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009719.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009720.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009725.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009726.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009727.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009729.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009734.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009736.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009737.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009739.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009300.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009302.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009306.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009372.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009373.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009376.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009625.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009626.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009627.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009628.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009629.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009630.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009631.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009651.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009705.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009731.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009732.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009733.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009798.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009799.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009805.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009806.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009807.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009810.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Duane Phinney
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009809.html">[Mageia-dev] Eclipse MarketPlace plugin
+</A><A NAME="9809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009787.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009788.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009789.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009790.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009791.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009795.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009802.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009803.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009823.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009824.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009839.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009840.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009845.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009850.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009854.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009858.html">[Mageia-dev] Filing a hardware related bug??
+</A><A NAME="9858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009859.html">[Mageia-dev] Filing a hardware related bug??
+</A><A NAME="9859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009584.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009585.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009606.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009611.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009618.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009488.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Cross-Distribution devroom: Call for Participation
+</A><A NAME="9488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009489.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Cross-Distribution devroom: Call for Participation
+</A><A NAME="9489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009784.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Mageia-discuss] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Call for stands, devroom talks and lightning talks
+</A><A NAME="9784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009969.html">[Mageia-dev] glibc-debug missing libc symbols ?
+</A><A NAME="9969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009935.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009943.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009945.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009963.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009968.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009485.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009534.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009535.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009536.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009545.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009564.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009565.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009566.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009567.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009576.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009577.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009597.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009598.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009599.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009600.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009603.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009607.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009608.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009609.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009615.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009619.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009620.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009621.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009622.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009624.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009923.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009926.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009929.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009971.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010028.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="10028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009319.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009322.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009323.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009324.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009325.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009326.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009327.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009328.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009411.html">[Mageia-dev] horde dep issues
+</A><A NAME="9411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009274.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009276.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009332.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009333.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009334.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009346.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009354.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009363.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009364.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009366.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009368.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009369.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009404.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009292.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n corrections in drak tools
+</A><A NAME="9292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009547.html">[Mageia-dev] ImageJ
+</A><A NAME="9547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009548.html">[Mageia-dev] ImageJ
+</A><A NAME="9548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009546.html">[Mageia-dev] ImageJ
+</A><A NAME="9546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009549.html">[Mageia-dev] ImageJ
+</A><A NAME="9549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009315.html">[Mageia-dev] Invitation Google Groupes : Mageia GNU/Linux
+</A><A NAME="9315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wasp (Google Groupes)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009293.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009294.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009307.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dark Charlot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009308.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009309.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dark Charlot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009310.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009311.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009312.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009317.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dark Charlot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009318.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009740.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel Power-Saving patch
+</A><A NAME="9740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009741.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel Power-Saving patch
+</A><A NAME="9741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009742.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel Power-Saving patch
+</A><A NAME="9742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009882.html">[Mageia-dev] Libification of oxygen-gtk3
+</A><A NAME="9882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009901.html">[Mageia-dev] Libification of oxygen-gtk3
+</A><A NAME="9901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009910.html">[Mageia-dev] Libification of oxygen-gtk3
+</A><A NAME="9910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009892.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009893.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009894.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009919.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009920.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009921.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009964.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009965.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009972.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009974.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010001.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="10001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010023.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="10023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009838.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 alpha 1 is out
+</A><A NAME="9838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009996.html">[Mageia-dev] Mail client not installed
+</A><A NAME="9996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009994.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="9994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009995.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="9995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010006.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010018.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010019.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010021.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010020.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010024.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009291.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="9291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009296.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="9296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marco Benatto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009299.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="9299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009665.html">[Mageia-dev] New here
+</A><A NAME="9665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Raghu Nayak
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009666.html">[Mageia-dev] New here
+</A><A NAME="9666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009668.html">[Mageia-dev] New here
+</A><A NAME="9668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009558.html">[Mageia-dev] New Packaging
+</A><A NAME="9558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mahmut Bulut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009559.html">[Mageia-dev] New Packaging
+</A><A NAME="9559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009560.html">[Mageia-dev] New Packaging
+</A><A NAME="9560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009527.html">[Mageia-dev] New wiki finally online
+</A><A NAME="9527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009528.html">[Mageia-dev] New wiki finally online
+</A><A NAME="9528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009610.html">[Mageia-dev] No boot after installation
+</A><A NAME="9610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009612.html">[Mageia-dev] No boot after installation
+</A><A NAME="9612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009623.html">[Mageia-dev] No boot after installation
+</A><A NAME="9623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009301.html">[Mageia-dev] No camera input in Gnome
+</A><A NAME="9301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009303.html">[Mageia-dev] No camera input in Gnome
+</A><A NAME="9303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009750.html">[Mageia-dev] No camera input in Gnome
+</A><A NAME="9750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009843.html">[Mageia-dev] non-working uninstall trigger
+</A><A NAME="9843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009844.html">[Mageia-dev] non-working uninstall trigger
+</A><A NAME="9844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009418.html">[Mageia-dev] oups (sysadmin help please)
+</A><A NAME="9418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009419.html">[Mageia-dev] oups (sysadmin help please)
+</A><A NAME="9419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009420.html">[Mageia-dev] oups (sysadmin help please)
+</A><A NAME="9420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009602.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009605.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009614.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009616.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009617.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009632.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009639.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009686.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009687.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009688.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009689.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009796.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009757.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009758.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009759.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009760.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009762.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009763.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009770.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009772.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009281.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009298.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009304.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009305.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009264.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009273.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009275.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009277.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009278.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009280.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009283.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009282.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009284.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009287.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009289.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009290.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009295.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009297.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009765.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009767.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009768.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009769.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009771.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009773.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009774.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009775.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009776.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009777.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009778.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009782.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009830.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009808.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009821.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009825.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009828.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009829.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009831.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009836.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009837.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009786.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009779.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009783.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009785.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009801.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009521.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009524.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009500.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009501.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009502.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009503.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009506.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009511.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009526.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009573.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009574.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009575.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009581.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009582.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009588.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009405.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009407.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009408.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009413.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009414.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009415.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009416.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009417.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009421.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009422.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009423.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009424.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009425.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009429.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009459.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009470.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009472.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009473.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009475.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>xi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009476.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009477.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009478.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009479.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009480.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009481.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>xi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009483.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009484.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009847.html">[Mageia-dev] removing .la files harmful ?
+</A><A NAME="9847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009848.html">[Mageia-dev] removing .la files harmful ?
+</A><A NAME="9848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009849.html">[Mageia-dev] removing .la files harmful ?
+</A><A NAME="9849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009966.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009967.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009985.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009986.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009987.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009991.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009992.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009999.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010002.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010003.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010027.html">[Mageia-dev] request for volunteer: noting important cauldron changes
+</A><A NAME="10027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009313.html">[Mageia-dev] Requesting a newbie-mailinglist for Mageia A.S.A.P.
+</A><A NAME="9313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009314.html">[Mageia-dev] Requesting a newbie-mailinglist for Mageia A.S.A.P.
+</A><A NAME="9314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009316.html">[Mageia-dev] Requesting a newbie-mailinglist for Mageia A.S.A.P.
+</A><A NAME="9316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009262.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009263.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009265.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009266.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009267.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009268.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009269.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009270.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009271.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009272.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009855.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC Compiz 0.9.x
+</A><A NAME="9855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009862.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="9862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009864.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="9864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009997.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="9997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009998.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="9998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010012.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="10012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010013.html">[Mageia-dev] spice-gtk submission failure
+</A><A NAME="10013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010014.html">[Mageia-dev] spice-gtk submission failure
+</A><A NAME="10014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthew Dawkins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010015.html">[Mageia-dev] spice-gtk submission failure
+</A><A NAME="10015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010016.html">[Mageia-dev] spice-gtk submission failure
+</A><A NAME="10016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009486.html">[Mageia-dev] subversion-1.7.1 Report
+</A><A NAME="9486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009487.html">[Mageia-dev] subversion-1.7.1 Report
+</A><A NAME="9487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009633.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin : please drop sugar-calculator
+</A><A NAME="9633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009634.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin : please drop sugar-calculator
+</A><A NAME="9634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009505.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin hand please
+</A><A NAME="9505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009507.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin hand please
+</A><A NAME="9507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009508.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin hand please
+</A><A NAME="9508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009510.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin hand please
+</A><A NAME="9510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009496.html">[Mageia-dev] tar-1.26
+</A><A NAME="9496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009497.html">[Mageia-dev] tar-1.26
+</A><A NAME="9497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009499.html">[Mageia-dev] tar-1.26
+</A><A NAME="9499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009866.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009867.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009868.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009869.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009870.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009871.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009872.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009873.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009874.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009875.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009876.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009877.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009879.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009878.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009880.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009881.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009883.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009885.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009888.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009889.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009890.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009891.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009895.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009896.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009898.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009900.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009903.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009904.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009905.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009906.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009912.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009913.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009918.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009924.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009925.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009927.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009930.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009932.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009933.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009934.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009936.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009937.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009938.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009939.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009940.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009944.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009946.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009947.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009949.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009950.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009952.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009955.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Denielou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009954.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009956.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009957.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009958.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009960.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009961.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009973.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009975.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009976.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009984.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009989.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009990.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010005.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="10005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009285.html">[Mageia-dev] The &quot;stupid and idiot&quot; debate (Was: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing)
+</A><A NAME="9285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009286.html">[Mageia-dev] The &quot;stupid and idiot&quot; debate (Was: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing)
+</A><A NAME="9286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010017.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="10017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010025.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="10025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009897.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009899.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009907.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009908.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009911.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009914.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009915.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009916.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009941.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009993.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010000.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010007.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010008.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010009.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010010.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010030.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009815.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009816.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009820.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009841.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009842.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009330.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009331.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009341.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009342.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009343.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009344.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009345.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009347.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009348.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009349.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009350.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009353.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009355.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009804.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009822.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009826.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009827.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009832.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009833.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009834.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009367.html">[Mageia-dev] Wiki migration
+</A><A NAME="9367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009375.html">[Mageia-dev] Wiki migration
+</A><A NAME="9375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009909.html">[Mageia-dev] Xfce default shortcuts
+</A><A NAME="9909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pe&#357;o&#353; &#352;afa&#345;&#237;k
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009953.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009959.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009962.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009977.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009978.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009979.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009980.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009981.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009982.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009983.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010029.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="10029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009948.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11 (was: gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut)
+</A><A NAME="9948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009951.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11 (was: gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut)
+</A><A NAME="9951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Nov 30 23:49:30 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Nov 30 23:49:08 CET 2011</i>
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+ <h1>November 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Nov 1 00:32:38 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Nov 30 23:49:30 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 767<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01320103958- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009262.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320103958-01320131743- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009267.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320103958-01320131743-01320139264- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009269.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320107211- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009263.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320107211-01320131266- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009266.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320107211-01320131266-01320138265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009268.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320107211-01320131266-01320138265-01320144358- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009270.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320107211-01320131266-01320138265-01320144358-01320145546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009271.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320126967- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009264.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320126967-01320146786- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009273.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01320126967-01320150351- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009278.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320131053- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009265.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01320146408- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009272.html">[Mageia-dev] Review Of Bugs
+</A><A NAME="9272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01320148160- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009274.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320148160-01320148500- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009276.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01320148160-01320509665- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009332.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320148160-01320509665-01320516325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009333.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320148160-01320509665-01320516325-01320524722- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009334.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148160-01320509665-01320516325-01320524722-01320587425- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009354.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148160-01320509665-01320516325-01320524722-01320587425-01320609851- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009363.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148160-01320509665-01320516325-01320524722-01320611890- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009364.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148160-01320509665-01320516325-01320524722-01320611890-01320612976- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009366.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148160-01320509665-01320516325-01320524722-01320611890-01320612976-01320617020- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009368.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148160-01320509665-01320516325-01320524722-01320611890-01320612976-01320617020-01320617980- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009369.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148160-01320509665-01320516325-01320524722-01320611890-01320612976-01320617020-01320617980-01320701371- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009404.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148160-01320509665-01320516325-01320577685- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009346.html">[Mageia-dev] hplip 3.11.10 call for testing - feedback needed
+</A><A NAME="9346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320148489- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009275.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320148489-01320150249- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009277.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320148489-01320150249-01320168338- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009280.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320148489-01320150249-01320168338-01320169070- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009281.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148489-01320150249-01320168338-01320169149- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009283.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148489-01320150249-01320168338-01320169149-01320171040- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009285.html">[Mageia-dev] The &quot;stupid and idiot&quot; debate (Was: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing)
+</A><A NAME="9285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148489-01320150249-01320168338-01320169149-01320171040-01320175804- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009286.html">[Mageia-dev] The &quot;stupid and idiot&quot; debate (Was: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing)
+</A><A NAME="9286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148489-01320150249-01320168338-01320170920- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009284.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148489-01320150249-01320168338-01320192339- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009287.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148489-01320150249-01320168338-01320192339-01320202142- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009289.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148489-01320150249-01320168338-01320192339-01320202142-01320216441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009290.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148489-01320150249-01320168338-01320192339-01320202142-01320216441-01320247659- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009297.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148489-01320150249-01320168338-01320192339-01320202142-01320216441-01320247659-01320252102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009298.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148489-01320150249-01320168338-01320192339-01320202142-01320216441-01320247659-01320252102-01320283453- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009304.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148489-01320150249-01320168338-01320192339-01320202142-01320216441-01320247659-01320252102-01320284054- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009305.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320148489-01320150249-01320168338-01320192339-01320202142-01320235340- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009295.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01320148489-01320150249-01320169206- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009282.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="9282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320158948- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009279.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320158948-01320535976- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009335.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009336.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Z&#233;zinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320538164- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009337.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009339.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320539417- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009340.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009380.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320672361- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009389.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320672361-01320674076- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009390.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009402.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198-01320868764- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009445.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198-01320868764-01320878386- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009454.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198-01320868764-01320878386-01321298620- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009529.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198-01320868764-01320878386-01321298620-01321309052- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009530.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198-01320868764-01320878386-01321298620-01321309052-01321309750- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009533.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198-01320868764-01320878386-01321298620-01321309052-01321309750-01321339213- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009542.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198-01320868764-01320878386-01321298620-01321309052-01321309750-01321339213-01321346130- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009544.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198-01320868764-01320878386-01321298620-01321309052-01321309750-01321339213-01321354766- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009553.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198-01320868764-01320878386-01321298620-01321309052-01321309750-01321339213-01321354766-01321378488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009563.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198-01320868764-01320878386-01321298620-01321309052-01321309750-01321339213-01321354766-01321378488-01321397062- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009569.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198-01320868764-01320878386-01321298620-01321309052-01321309750-01321339213-01321354766-01321378488-01321397062-01321398677- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009571.html">[Mageia-dev] BuildRequires and pkgconfig
+</A><A NAME="9571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198-01320868764-01320878386-01321298620-01321309052-01321309750-01321339213-01321354766-01321378488-01321397062-01321398677-01321436689- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009579.html">[Mageia-dev] BuildRequires and pkgconfig
+</A><A NAME="9579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198-01320868764-01320878386-01321298620-01321309052-01321309750-01321339213-01321354766-01321378488-01321397062-01321398677-01321436689-01321437141- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009580.html">[Mageia-dev] BuildRequires and pkgconfig
+</A><A NAME="9580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198-01320868764-01320878386-01321298620-01321309052-01321309750-01321339213-01321355628- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009554.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198-01320868764-01320878386-01321298620-01321309052-01321309750-01321339213-01321391693- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009568.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320662946-01320691198-01320868764-01320878386-01321298620-01321309052-01321309750-01321339213-01321398151- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009570.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320700433- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009403.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320700433-01320706370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009406.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320700433-01320706370-01320706774- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009409.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320700433-01320706370-01320706834- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009410.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320700433-01320706370-01320794894- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009426.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320700433-01320706370-01320845415- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009439.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320700433-01320706370-01320845415-01321465066- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009586.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320700433-01320706370-01320845415-01321465066-01321493949- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009590.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320158948-01320535976-01320537705-01320539114-01320700433-01320845275- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009438.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01320158948-01320535976-01320539023- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009338.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320194407- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009288.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320194407-01320659669- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009377.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320194407-01320659669-01320661153- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009378.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320220478- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009291.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="9291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01320223510- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009292.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n corrections in drak tools
+</A><A NAME="9292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01320233399- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009293.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320233399-01320235133- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009294.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01320233399-01320314975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009307.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dark Charlot
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320233399-01320314975-01320317669- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009308.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320233399-01320314975-01320317669-01320321907- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009309.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dark Charlot
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320233399-01320314975-01320317669-01320321907-01320324036- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009310.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320233399-01320314975-01320317669-01320321907-01320324036-01320324408- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009311.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320233399-01320314975-01320317669-01320321907-01320324036-01320324408-01320328590- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009312.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320233399-01320314975-01320317669-01320321907-01320324036-01320324408-01320328590-01320337395- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009317.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dark Charlot
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320233399-01320314975-01320317669-01320321907-01320324036-01320324408-01320328590-01320337395-01320337966- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009318.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE SC 4.7.3
+</A><A NAME="9318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320245437- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009296.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="9296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marco Benatto
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320245437-01320265879- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009299.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="9299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320274695- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009300.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320274695-01320281507- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009302.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320274695-01320281507-01320638821- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009372.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320274695-01320281507-01320638821-01321724010- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009625.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320274695-01320281507-01320638821-01321724010-01321724591- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009626.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320274695-01320281507-01320638821-01321724010-01321724591-01321724963- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009627.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320274695-01320281507-01320638821-01321724010-01321724591-01321724963-01321725652- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009628.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320274695-01320281507-01320638821-01321724010-01321724591-01321724963-01321725652-01321727182- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009629.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320274695-01320281507-01320638821-01321724010-01321724591-01321724963-01321725652-01321727182-01321731280- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009631.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320274695-01320281507-01320638821-01321724010-01321724591-01321724963-01321725652-01321727182-01321731280-01321913263- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009705.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320274695-01320281507-01320638821-01321724010-01321724591-01321724963-01321725652-01321727182-01321731280-01321913263-01321961948- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009731.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320274695-01320281507-01320638821-01321724010-01321724591-01321724963-01321725652-01321727182-01321731280-01321913263-01321961948-01321962344- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009732.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320274695-01320281507-01320638821-01321724010-01321724591-01321724963-01321725652-01321727182-01321731280-01321913263-01321961948-01321962344-01321963792- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009733.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320274695-01320281507-01320638821-01321724010-01321724591-01321724963-01321725652-01321727325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009630.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320274695-01320281507-01320638821-01321724010-01321724591-01321812110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009651.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320280955- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009301.html">[Mageia-dev] No camera input in Gnome
+</A><A NAME="9301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320280955-01320283050- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009303.html">[Mageia-dev] No camera input in Gnome
+</A><A NAME="9303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320280955-01320283050-01322006412- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009750.html">[Mageia-dev] No camera input in Gnome
+</A><A NAME="9750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320293391- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009306.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320293391-01320641030- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009373.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320293391-01320641030-01320651176- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009376.html">[Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg
+</A><A NAME="9376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320333403- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009313.html">[Mageia-dev] Requesting a newbie-mailinglist for Mageia A.S.A.P.
+</A><A NAME="9313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320333403-01320333540- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009314.html">[Mageia-dev] Requesting a newbie-mailinglist for Mageia A.S.A.P.
+</A><A NAME="9314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320333403-01320333540-01320333917- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009316.html">[Mageia-dev] Requesting a newbie-mailinglist for Mageia A.S.A.P.
+</A><A NAME="9316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320333908- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009315.html">[Mageia-dev] Invitation Google Groupes : Mageia GNU/Linux
+</A><A NAME="9315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wasp (Google Groupes)
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01320404505- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009319.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320404505-01320420490- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009322.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320404505-01320420490-01320420836- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009323.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01320404505-01320420490-01320426014- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009324.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320404505-01320420490-01320426014-01320426585- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009325.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320404505-01320420490-01320426014-01320426585-01320426916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009326.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320404505-01320420490-01320426014-01320426585-01320426916-01320428032- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009327.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320404505-01320420490-01320426014-01320426585-01320426916-01320428032-01320428963- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009328.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: New initscripts and systemd
+</A><A NAME="9328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320407397- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009320.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release firefox-beta-l10n-8.0b5-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01320407682- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009321.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 2157 - Switch to &quot;standard&quot; rpm metadata for package repositories in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01320445084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009329.html">[Mageia-dev] dir-or-file-in-tmp
+</A><A NAME="9329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320445084-01320501350- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009379.html">[Mageia-dev] dir-or-file-in-tmp
+</A><A NAME="9379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320445084-01320501350-01320686836- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009399.html">[Mageia-dev] dir-or-file-in-tmp
+</A><A NAME="9399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320506657- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009330.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320506657-01320507293- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009331.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320506657-01320507293-01320563712- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009341.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320506657-01320507293-01320563712-01320568680- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009342.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320506657-01320507293-01320563712-01320568680-01320571199- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009343.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320506657-01320507293-01320563712-01320568680-01320571199-01320572734- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009344.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320506657-01320507293-01320563712-01320568680-01320571199-01320572734-01320579504- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009348.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320506657-01320507293-01320563712-01320568680-01320571199-01320572734-01320579504-01320581840- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009349.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320506657-01320507293-01320563712-01320568680-01320571199-01320572734-01320579504-01320582062- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009350.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320506657-01320507293-01320563712-01320568680-01320571199-01320572734-01320579504-01320582062-01320583767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009353.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320506657-01320507293-01320563712-01320568680-01320571199-01320576572- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009345.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320506657-01320507293-01320563712-01320568680-01320571199-01320576572-01320577973- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009347.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320506657-01320507293-01320563712-01320568680-01320571199-01320576572-01320577973-01320592043- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009355.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating a new install is too long...
+</A><A NAME="9355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320582812- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009351.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320582812-01320583311- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009352.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320582812-01320583311-01320602822- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009357.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320582812-01320583311-01320602822-01320605215- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009358.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320582812-01320583311-01320602822-01320605215-01320606152- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009359.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320582812-01320583311-01320602822-01320605215-01320606152-01320607355- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009360.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320582812-01320583311-01320602822-01320605215-01320606152-01320607355-01320608908- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009362.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release x11-server-1.11.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320590316- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009356.html">[Mageia-dev] Compiz 0.9.x (at last)
+</A><A NAME="9356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320590316-01320609122- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009370.html">[Mageia-dev] Compiz 0.9.x (at last)
+</A><A NAME="9370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320590316-01320609122-01320631977- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009371.html">[Mageia-dev] Compiz 0.9.x (at last)
+</A><A NAME="9371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320590316-01320609122-01320631977-01320695108- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009412.html">[Mageia-dev] Compiz 0.9.x (at last)
+</A><A NAME="9412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01320590316-01322332110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009855.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC Compiz 0.9.x
+</A><A NAME="9855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320608187- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009361.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [164539] - add P1 to fix #2427
+</A><A NAME="9361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320608187-01320612140- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009365.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [164539] - add P1 to fix #2427
+</A><A NAME="9365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320608187-01320612140-01320641199- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009374.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [164539] - add P1 to fix #2427
+</A><A NAME="9374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320616226- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009367.html">[Mageia-dev] Wiki migration
+</A><A NAME="9367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320616226-01320641454- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009375.html">[Mageia-dev] Wiki migration
+</A><A NAME="9375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320665767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009381.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320665767-01320666364- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009382.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320665767-01320666364-01320667656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009383.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01320665767-01320669207- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009384.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320665767-01320669207-01320808697- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009431.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01320665767-01320679820- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009391.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320665767-01320679820-01320807996- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009430.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320665767-01320679820-01320807996-01321224701- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009512.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320665767-01320679820-01320807996-01321224701-01321240816- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009513.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320665767-01320679820-01320807996-01321224701-01321240816-01321262903- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009519.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01320665767-01320828353- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009433.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>peter f miller
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320665767-01320828353-01320840208- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009435.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01320665767-01322480153- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009886.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320665767-01322480153-01322519325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009922.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320665767-01322480153-01322519325-01322553963- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009928.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320665767-01322480153-01322519325-01322553963-01322557778- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009931.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320665767-01322480153-01322519325-01322553963-01322633580- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009988.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320665767-01322480153-01322519325-01322553963-01322633580-01322662857- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010011.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320665767-01322480153-01322519325-01322553963-01322633580-01322662857-01322682319- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010026.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320670226- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009385.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2131] Ensure we update the default systemd target when setting runlevel.
+</A><A NAME="9385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320670226-01320670498- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009387.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2131] Ensure we update the default systemd target when setting runlevel.
+</A><A NAME="9387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320670226-01320670498-01320679979- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009394.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2131] Ensure we update the default systemd target when setting runlevel.
+</A><A NAME="9394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320670268- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009386.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2133] New version 0.98
+</A><A NAME="9386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320670268-01320670895- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009388.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2133] New version 0.98
+</A><A NAME="9388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320679917- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009392.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2134] Do not include chroot path in symlink.
+</A><A NAME="9392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320679917-01320682661- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009396.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2134] Do not include chroot path in symlink.
+</A><A NAME="9396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320679933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009393.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320679933-01320682582- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009395.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320679933-01320682582-01320682786- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009397.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320679933-01320682582-01320682786-01320685223- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009398.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320679933-01320682582-01320682786-01320685223-01320687475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009400.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320679933-01320682582-01320682786-01320685223-01320687475-01320687725- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009401.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320679933-01320682582-01320682786-01320685223-01320687475-01321039433- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009491.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L.
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320679933-01320682582-01320682786-01320685223-01320687475-01321039433-01321045898- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009494.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320679933-01320682582-01320682786-01320685223-01320687475-01321039433-01321045898-01321046483- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009495.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release digikam-2.3.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L.
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320704779- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009405.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320704779-01320706603- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009407.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320704779-01320706603-01320744896- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009416.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01320704779-01320706680- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009408.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320704779-01320706680-01320734937- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009414.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320734937-01320739525- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009415.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320734937-01320739525-01320757181- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009417.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320734937-01320739525-01320757181-01320762822- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009421.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320734937-01320739525-01320757181-01320770808- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009424.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320734937-01320739525-01320757181-01320770808-01320772287- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009425.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320734937-01320739525-01320757181-01320770808-01320772287-01320804241- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009429.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01320704779-01320706680-01320762926- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009422.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01320704779-01320706680-01320909903- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009459.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320909903-01320930109- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009470.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320909903-01320930109-01320931329- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009472.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320909903-01320930109-01320931329-01320935456- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009475.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>xi
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320909903-01320930109-01320931329-01320935456-01320937378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009476.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320909903-01320930109-01320931329-01320935456-01320937378-01320937782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009478.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320909903-01320930109-01320931329-01320935456-01320937378-01320938688- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009480.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320909903-01320930109-01320931329-01320935456-01320937408- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009477.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320909903-01320930109-01320931329-01320935456-01320937408-01320939557- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009481.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>xi
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320909903-01320930109-01320932731- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009473.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320909903-01320930109-01320932731-01320938001- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009479.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320909903-01320930109-01320932731-01320938001-01320957110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009483.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320704779-01320706680-01320909903-01320930109-01320932731-01320938001-01320957110-01320965655- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009484.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01320704779-01320731880- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009413.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320704779-01320731880-01320763054- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009423.html">[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section
+</A><A NAME="9423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320721285- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009411.html">[Mageia-dev] horde dep issues
+</A><A NAME="9411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01320757265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009418.html">[Mageia-dev] oups (sysadmin help please)
+</A><A NAME="9418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320757265-01320757318- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009419.html">[Mageia-dev] oups (sysadmin help please)
+</A><A NAME="9419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320757265-01320757318-01320761671- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009420.html">[Mageia-dev] oups (sysadmin help please)
+</A><A NAME="9420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320796104- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009427.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320796104-01320796549- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009428.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01320796104-01320840104- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009434.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320796104-01320840104-01320919887- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009464.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320796104-01320840104-01320919887-01321265765- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009520.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01320796104-01320859952- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009441.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320796104-01320859952-01320919807- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009463.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320796104-01320859952-01320919807-01320925401- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009467.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320796104-01320859952-01320919807-01320925401-01320926782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009468.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320796104-01320859952-01320919807-01320925401-01320926782-01320928756- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009469.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320796104-01320859952-01320919807-01320925401-01320926782-01320928756-01320930787- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009471.html">[Mageia-dev] Debugging boot times
+</A><A NAME="9471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320824227- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009432.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha1 - reminder
+</A><A NAME="9432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01320844483- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009436.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320844483-01320845302- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009437.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01320844483-01320869754- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009446.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320844483-01320869754-01320871254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009448.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320844483-01320869754-01320871254-01320878221- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009453.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320844483-01320869754-01320871254-01320878221-01320878883- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009490.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320844483-01320869754-01320871254-01320878221-01320878883-01321091479- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009498.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320844483-01320869754-01320871254-01320878221-01320880340- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009455.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320844483-01320869754-01320871254-01320878221-01320880340-01320923721- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009466.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320844483-01320869754-01320871254-01320878221-01320900211- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009457.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Duane Phinney
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01320844483-01320869754-01320914436- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009460.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320844483-01320869754-01320914436-01320923286- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009465.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320844483-01320869754-01320914436-01320923286-01322368805- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009857.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues
+</A><A NAME="9857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320853838- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009440.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdebase4-workspace-4.7.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01320863887- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009442.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320863887-01320864648- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009443.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01320863887-01320868116- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009444.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320863887-01320868116-01320870863- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009447.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320863887-01320868116-01320870863-01320871269- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009449.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320863887-01320868116-01320870863-01320871269-01320874572- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009450.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320863887-01320868116-01320870863-01320871269-01320876836- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009452.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320863887-01320868116-01320870863-01320871269-01320876836-01320918514- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009461.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01320863887-01320870326- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009451.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01320863887-01320919755- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009462.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] prefer dma rather than postfix in prefer.vendor.list for msec mga1 -&gt; mga2 upgrade
+</A><A NAME="9462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320892571- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009456.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release llvm-2.9-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320892571-01320905063- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009458.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release llvm-2.9-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01320892571-01320934320- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009474.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release llvm-2.9-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01320892571-01320947424- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009482.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release llvm-2.9-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320967067- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009485.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320967067-01321308880- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009534.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01320967067-01321313902- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009535.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01320967067-01321330093- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009536.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009545.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009564.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009565.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009566.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009567.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265-01321426840- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009576.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265-01321426840-01321426991- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009577.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265-01321426840-01321426991-01321570264- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009597.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265-01321426840-01321426991-01321570264-01321571423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009598.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265-01321426840-01321426991-01321570264-01321571423-01321599087- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009599.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265-01321426840-01321426991-01321570264-01321571423-01321599087-01321601939- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009600.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265-01321426840-01321426991-01321570264-01321571423-01321599087-01321601939-01321612392- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009603.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265-01321426840-01321426991-01321570264-01321571423-01321599087-01321601939-01321612392-01321616296- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009607.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265-01321426840-01321426991-01321570264-01321571423-01321599087-01321601939-01321617336- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009608.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265-01321426840-01321426991-01321570264-01321571423-01321599087-01321601939-01321617336-01321618538- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009609.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265-01321426840-01321426991-01321570264-01321571423-01321599087-01321601939-01321617336-01321618538-01321626591- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009615.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265-01321426840-01321426991-01321570264-01321571423-01321599087-01321601939-01321617336-01321618538-01321626591-01321654328- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009619.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265-01321426840-01321426991-01321570264-01321571423-01321599087-01321601939-01321617336-01321618538-01321626591-01321654737- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009620.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265-01321426840-01321426991-01321570264-01321571423-01321599087-01321601939-01321617336-01321618538-01321626591-01321654737-01321660081- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009621.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265-01321426840-01321426991-01321570264-01321571423-01321599087-01321601939-01321617336-01321618538-01321626591-01321654737-01321660081-01321670228- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009622.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01320967067-01321330093-01321346524-01321382343-01321385529-01321387034-01321389265-01321426840-01321426991-01321570264-01321571423-01321599087-01321601939-01321617336-01321618538-01321626591-01321654737-01321660081-01321670228-01321693845- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009624.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01320967067-01322522464- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009923.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320967067-01322522464-01322539880- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009926.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01320967067-01322522464-01322557193- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009929.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01320967067-01322522464-01322557193-01322603005- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009971.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="9971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01320967067-01322522464-01322688849- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010028.html">[Mageia-dev] HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing
+</A><A NAME="10028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321010256- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009486.html">[Mageia-dev] subversion-1.7.1 Report
+</A><A NAME="9486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321010256-01321027242- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009487.html">[Mageia-dev] subversion-1.7.1 Report
+</A><A NAME="9487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321032102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009488.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Cross-Distribution devroom: Call for Participation
+</A><A NAME="9488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321032102-01321038546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009489.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Cross-Distribution devroom: Call for Participation
+</A><A NAME="9489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321085416- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009496.html">[Mageia-dev] tar-1.26
+</A><A NAME="9496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321085416-01321087219- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009497.html">[Mageia-dev] tar-1.26
+</A><A NAME="9497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321085416-01321087219-01321093693- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009499.html">[Mageia-dev] tar-1.26
+</A><A NAME="9499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321112643- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009500.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321112643-01321117023- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009501.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01321112643-01321125626- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009502.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321112643-01321125626-01321128691- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009503.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321112643-01321125626-01321128691-01321178295- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009506.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321112643-01321125626-01321128691-01321178295-01321219965- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009511.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321112643-01321125626-01321128691-01321178295-01321219965-01321278823- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009524.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321112643-01321125626-01321128691-01321178295-01321219965-01321278823-01321414332- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009574.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321112643-01321125626-01321128691-01321178295-01321219965-01321291018- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009526.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321112643-01321125626-01321128691-01321178295-01321219965-01321291018-01321416955- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009575.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321112643-01321125626-01321128691-01321178295-01321219965-01321291018-01321416955-01321469193- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009588.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321112643-01321125626-01321128691-01321278464- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009521.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321112643-01321125626-01321128691-01321278464-01321414249- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009573.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321147658- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009504.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iptables-1.4.12.1-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321147658-01321197609- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009509.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release iptables-1.4.12.1-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321163645- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009505.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin hand please
+</A><A NAME="9505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321163645-01321185905- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009507.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin hand please
+</A><A NAME="9507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321163645-01321185905-01321185921- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009508.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin hand please
+</A><A NAME="9508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321163645-01321185905-01321185921-01321209655- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009510.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin hand please
+</A><A NAME="9510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321252235- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009514.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2142] left banner for Mageia 2 alpha 1
+</A><A NAME="9514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01321252331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009515.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2130] Update NEWS
+</A><A NAME="9515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321252331-01321999203- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009747.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2130] Update NEWS
+</A><A NAME="9747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321252457- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009516.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01321260561- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009517.html">[Mageia-dev] dos2unix
+</A><A NAME="9517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Jorge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321260561-01321261126- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009518.html">[Mageia-dev] dos2unix
+</A><A NAME="9518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01321260561-01321280130- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009523.html">[Mageia-dev] dos2unix
+</A><A NAME="9523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321279200- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009522.html">[Mageia-dev] [info] texlive on mandriva: what not to do ;)
+</A><A NAME="9522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321279200-01321284218- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009525.html">[Mageia-dev] [info] texlive on mandriva: what not to do ;)
+</A><A NAME="9525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321292083- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009527.html">[Mageia-dev] New wiki finally online
+</A><A NAME="9527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321292083-01321295358- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009528.html">[Mageia-dev] New wiki finally online
+</A><A NAME="9528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321309399- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009532.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-MultiThread-0.900.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321309399-01321334230- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009539.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-MultiThread-0.900.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321309434- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009531.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Sys-CPU-0.520.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321309434-01321333841- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009537.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Sys-CPU-0.520.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321309434-01321333841-01321334005- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009538.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Sys-CPU-0.520.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321337364- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009540.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert M. Riches Jr.
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321337364-01321338557- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009541.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321337364-01321338557-01321353569- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009551.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321337364-01321338557-01321353569-01321525572- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009594.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321337364-01321338557-01321353569-01321525572-01321534144- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009595.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321337364-01321338557-01321353569-01321525572-01321534144-01321612630- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009604.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321337364-01321338557-01321353569-01321525572-01321534144-01321612630-01321623533- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009613.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321337364-01321338557-01321353569-01321525572-01321556385- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009596.html">[Mageia-dev] (second attempt) suggesting sectool be dropped
+</A><A NAME="9596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321341591- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009543.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321341591-01321350659- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009546.html">[Mageia-dev] ImageJ
+</A><A NAME="9546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321341591-01321350659-01321347621- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009547.html">[Mageia-dev] ImageJ
+</A><A NAME="9547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01321341591-01321350659-01321348092- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009548.html">[Mageia-dev] ImageJ
+</A><A NAME="9548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321341591-01321350659-01321348092-01321354231- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009549.html">[Mageia-dev] ImageJ
+</A><A NAME="9549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01321341591-01321365536- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009557.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321341591-01321365536-01321519986- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009593.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01321341591-01321496321- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009591.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321341591-01321496321-01321504049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009592.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-pear-PHPUnit-3.6.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321352801- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009550.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321352801-01321363380- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009555.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321353849- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009552.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321353849-01321408474- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009572.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert M. Riches Jr.
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321353849-01321408474-01321427057- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009578.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321353849-01321408474-01321427057-01321431778- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009589.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01321353849-01321408474-01321452758- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009583.html">[Mageia-dev] Cauldron - real late networking start (eth0)
+</A><A NAME="9583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321365433- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009556.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org
+</A><A NAME="9556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321365433-01321367197- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009561.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org
+</A><A NAME="9561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321365433-01321367197-01321367330- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009562.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org
+</A><A NAME="9562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321365901- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009558.html">[Mageia-dev] New Packaging
+</A><A NAME="9558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mahmut Bulut
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321365901-01321366698- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009559.html">[Mageia-dev] New Packaging
+</A><A NAME="9559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321365901-01321366698-01321366734- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009560.html">[Mageia-dev] New Packaging
+</A><A NAME="9560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321444421- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009581.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321444421-01321444802- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009582.html">[Mageia-dev] qemu new upstream release (1.0-rc1) and should we move from qemu-kvm to qemu?
+</A><A NAME="9582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321459216- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009584.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321459216-01321461930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009585.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321459216-01321461930-01321613004- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009606.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321459216-01321461930-01321613004-01321621289- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009611.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321459216-01321461930-01321613004-01321653644- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009618.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install hangs during boot since yesterday
+</A><A NAME="9618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321468508- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009587.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2152] fixed pot file so it passes msgfmt -c
+</A><A NAME="9587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01321602663- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009601.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing mesa-7.11.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01321602704- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009602.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321602704-01321612892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009605.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321602704-01321612892-01321626302- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009614.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321602704-01321612892-01321626302-01321626847- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009616.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321602704-01321612892-01321626302-01321626847-01321649535- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009617.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321602704-01321612892-01321626302-01321626847-01321649535-01321736642- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009632.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321602704-01321612892-01321626302-01321626847-01321649535-01321763389- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009639.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="9639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321620273- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009610.html">[Mageia-dev] No boot after installation
+</A><A NAME="9610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321620273-01321621754- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009612.html">[Mageia-dev] No boot after installation
+</A><A NAME="9612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321620273-01321621754-01321671908- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009623.html">[Mageia-dev] No boot after installation
+</A><A NAME="9623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321738638- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009633.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin : please drop sugar-calculator
+</A><A NAME="9633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321738638-01321739206- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009634.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin : please drop sugar-calculator
+</A><A NAME="9634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321756075- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009635.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [169631] Updated to 2.5beta1 (2.4.90), and Obsoletes: amarok-scripts as it isn't included anymore with this version
+</A><A NAME="9635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321756075-01321756123- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009636.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [169631] Updated to 2.5beta1 (2.4.90), and Obsoletes: amarok-scripts as it isn't included anymore with this version
+</A><A NAME="9636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01321756075-01321763423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009640.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [169631] Updated to 2.5beta1 (2.4.90), and Obsoletes: amarok-scripts as it isn't included anymore with this version
+</A><A NAME="9640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321756075-01321763423-01321779175- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009644.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [169631] Updated to 2.5beta1 (2.4.90), and Obsoletes: amarok-scripts as it isn't included anymore with this version
+</A><A NAME="9644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321756360- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009637.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321756360-01321756837- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009638.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01321756360-01321773561- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009642.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321756360-01321773561-01321795367- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009647.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321756360-01321773561-01321795367-01321795971- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009648.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321756360-01321773561-01321795367-01321797497- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009649.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01321756360-01321784272- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009645.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321756360-01321784272-01321784505- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009646.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01321756360-01321803289- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009650.html">[Mageia-dev] Abandoned packages in our svn
+</A><A NAME="9650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321767405- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009641.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing hunspell-1.2.15-1.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="9641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321767405-01321779119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009643.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing hunspell-1.2.15-1.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="9643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321814635- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009652.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321814635-01321814942- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009653.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01321814635-01321815926- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009654.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01321814635-01321818639- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009655.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01321814635-01321818918- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009656.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01321814635-01321820281- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009657.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321814635-01321820281-01321822759- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009658.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01321814635-01321820281-01321824966- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009659.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321814635-01321820281-01321824966-01321826372- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009660.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321814635-01321820281-01321824966-01321826372-01321829306- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009661.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321814635-01321820281-01321824966-01321826372-01321829306-01321832634- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009663.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321814635-01321820281-01321824966-01321826372-01321829306-01321832634-01321833635- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009664.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321814635-01321820281-01321824966-01321826372-01321829306-01321832634-01321833635-01321836700- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009667.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321814635-01321820281-01321824966-01321826372-01321829306-01321832634-01321833635-01321836700-01321865840- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009671.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321814635-01321820281-01321824966-01321826372-01321829306-01321832634-01321833635-01321836700-01321865840-01321866544- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009672.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321814635-01321820281-01321824966-01321826372-01321829306-01321832634-01321833635-01321836700-01321865840-01321866544-01321867931- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009673.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321814635-01321820281-01321824966-01321826372-01321829306-01321832634-01321833635-01321836700-01321865840-01321866544-01321867931-01321868220- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009674.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321814635-01321820281-01321824966-01321826372-01321829306-01321832634-01321833635-01321836700-01321865840-01321866544-01321867931-01321869362- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009675.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321814635-01321820281-01321824966-01321826372-01321829306-01321832634-01321833635-01321836700-01321865840-01321866544-01321867931-01321871379- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009676.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321814635-01321820281-01321824966-01321826372-01321829306-01321832634-01321833635-01321836700-01321865840-01321866544-01321867931-01321876672- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009678.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321814635-01321820281-01321824966-01321826372-01321829306-01321832634-01321833635-01321836700-01321865840-01321866544-01321867931-01321919799- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009712.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321814635-01321820281-01321824966-01321826372-01321829306-01321832634-01321833635-01321836700-01321865840-01321866544-01321867931-01321920315- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009713.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321814635-01321820281-01321824966-01321826372-01321829306-01321832634-01321833635-01321836700-01321865840-01321866544-01321867931-01321920315-01321937175- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009721.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01321814635-01321878971- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009681.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321814635-01321878971-01321879669- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009682.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321814635-01321878971-01321879669-01321881875- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009683.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01321814635-01321878971-01321883440- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009684.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321814635-01321878971-01321883440-01321883844- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009685.html">[Mageia-dev] Changing default media names
+</A><A NAME="9685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321831172- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009662.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release arj-3.10.22-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321831172-01321863485- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009669.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release arj-3.10.22-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321831172-01321863485-01321865506- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009670.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release arj-3.10.22-7.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321833477- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009665.html">[Mageia-dev] New here
+</A><A NAME="9665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Raghu Nayak
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321833477-01321833834- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009666.html">[Mageia-dev] New here
+</A><A NAME="9666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01321833477-01321837527- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009668.html">[Mageia-dev] New here
+</A><A NAME="9668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321873832- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009677.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Fail&quot; during boot process - depricated config file . .
+</A><A NAME="9677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321873832-01321876693- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009679.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Fail&quot; during boot process - depricated config file . .
+</A><A NAME="9679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01321873832-01321876849- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009680.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Fail&quot; during boot process - depricated config file . .
+</A><A NAME="9680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321884737- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009686.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321884737-01321885393- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009687.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321884737-01321885393-01321886853- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009688.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321884737-01321885393-01321886853-01321888950- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009689.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321884737-01321885393-01321886853-01321888950-01322153444- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009796.html">[Mageia-dev] perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.160.200-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321893791- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009690.html">[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation
+</A><A NAME="9690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321893791-01321988696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009743.html">[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation
+</A><A NAME="9743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321893791-01321988696-01321991882- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009744.html">[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation
+</A><A NAME="9744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321893791-01321988696-01321991882-01322169414- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009800.html">[Mageia-dev] alpha 1 release info preparation
+</A><A NAME="9800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321900878- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009691.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [170580] imported package deskbar-applet
+</A><A NAME="9691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321900878-01321902814- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009693.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [170580] imported package deskbar-applet
+</A><A NAME="9693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321902855- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009692.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321902855-01321905739- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009694.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321902855-01321905739-01321905915- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009695.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01321902855-01321905739-01321906343- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009696.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321902855-01321905739-01321906343-01321910961- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009702.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01321902855-01321905739-01321906529- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009697.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321902855-01321905739-01321906529-01321907950- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009698.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321902855-01321905739-01321906529-01321912235- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009703.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321902855-01321905739-01321906529-01321912235-01321916510- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009710.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321902855-01321905739-01321906529-01321912235-01321916510-01321928157- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009717.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321902855-01321905739-01321906529-01321912235-01321916510-01321928157-01321929678- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009718.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321902855-01321905739-01321906529-01321912235-01321916510-01321928157-01321929678-01321931509- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009719.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321902855-01321905739-01321906529-01321912235-01321916510-01321928157-01321929678-01321931509-01321933098- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009720.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321902855-01321905739-01321906529-01321912235-01321916510-01321928157-01321929678-01321931509-01321933098-01321967053- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009737.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01321902855-01321905739-01321908728- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009699.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Peter Schwanemann
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01321902855-01321905739-01321920631- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009714.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321902855-01321905739-01321920631-01321925554- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009716.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321902855-01321905739-01321920631-01321925554-01321961529- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009729.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01321902855-01321910428- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009700.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321902855-01321910428-01321974162- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009739.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01321902855-01321910727- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009701.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321902855-01321910727-01321912272- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009704.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321902855-01321910727-01321912272-01321914339- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009706.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321902855-01321910727-01321912272-01321914339-01321914763- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009707.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321902855-01321910727-01321912272-01321914339-01321914763-01321915441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009708.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321902855-01321910727-01321912272-01321921731- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009715.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01321902855-01321956679- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009725.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321902855-01321956679-01321957828- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009726.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01321902855-01321956679-01321958049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009727.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321902855-01321956679-01321958049-01321964718- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009734.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321902855-01321956679-01321958049-01321964718-01321965321- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009736.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakx-net or NetworkManager for Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321915957- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009709.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release btrfs-progs-0.19-1.20111027.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321915957-01321960044- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009728.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release btrfs-progs-0.19-1.20111027.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321915957-01321960044-01321965024- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009735.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release btrfs-progs-0.19-1.20111027.2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321916788- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009711.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321916788-01321948539- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009722.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321916788-01321948539-01321961892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009730.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01321916788-01321948539-01321961892-01321973775- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009738.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321916788-01321948539-01321961892-01322080390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009780.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01321916788-01321948539-01321961892-01322080390-01322080779- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009781.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-7.5.8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321949922- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009723.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321949922-01321952717- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009724.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-8.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321974710- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009740.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel Power-Saving patch
+</A><A NAME="9740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321974710-01321975926- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009741.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel Power-Saving patch
+</A><A NAME="9741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321974710-01321975926-01321981155- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009742.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel Power-Saving patch
+</A><A NAME="9742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321995266- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009745.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Unicode-UTF8-0.510.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01321999060- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009746.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2143] increase version
+</A><A NAME="9746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321999060-01321999351- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009748.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2143] increase version
+</A><A NAME="9748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321999468- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009749.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakxtools-13.70-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322010436- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009751.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322010436-01322013698- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009752.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322010436-01322013698-01322017542- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009753.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322010436-01322013698-01322017542-01322017957- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009754.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322010436-01322013698-01322017542-01322018071- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009755.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322010436-01322013698-01322017542-01322018071-01322019432- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009756.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322010436-01322013698-01322017542-01322018071-01322019432-01322031336- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009761.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release meta-task-2-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322030123- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009757.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322030123-01322030245- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009758.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01322030123-01322030565- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009759.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322030123-01322030565-01322030788- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009760.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322030123-01322030565-01322030788-01322031433- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009762.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322030123-01322030565-01322030788-01322031433-01322031542- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009763.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322030123-01322030565-01322030788-01322031433-01322031542-01322062647- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009770.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322030123-01322030565-01322030788-01322031433-01322031542-01322062647-01322068271- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009772.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove abuse_sdl
+</A><A NAME="9772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322034766- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009764.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release parallel-20111122-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322038984- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009765.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322038984-01322054518- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009767.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322038984-01322054518-01322054963- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009768.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322038984-01322054518-01322054963-01322062494- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009769.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322038984-01322054518-01322054963-01322062494-01322075673- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009773.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322038984-01322054518-01322054963-01322062494-01322075673-01322076167- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009774.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322038984-01322054518-01322054963-01322062494-01322075673-01322076167-01322077014- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009775.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322038984-01322054518-01322054963-01322062494-01322075673-01322076167-01322077014-01322077387- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009776.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322038984-01322054518-01322054963-01322062494-01322077397- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009777.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322038984-01322054518-01322054963-01322062494-01322077397-01322078087- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009778.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322038984-01322054518-01322054963-01322062494-01322077397-01322083814- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009782.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe Makowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322038984-01322054518-01322054963-01322063648- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009771.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="9771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322039882- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009766.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release oxygen-gtk-1.1.5-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322080180- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009779.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322080180-01322091388- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009783.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322080180-01322091388-01322125691- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009785.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322080180-01322091388-01322125691-01322128155- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009786.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322080180-01322091388-01322125691-01322128155-01322170031- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009801.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposition to drop the package &quot;pastebin&quot; from Mageia
+</A><A NAME="9801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322123678- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009784.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Mageia-discuss] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Call for stands, devroom talks and lightning talks
+</A><A NAME="9784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322137357- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009787.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322137357-01322137596- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009788.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322137357-01322137596-01322138383- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009789.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01322137357-01322137596-01322139134- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009790.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322137357-01322137596-01322139134-01322139521- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009791.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322137357-01322137596-01322139134-01322139521-01322149987- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009795.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322137357-01322137596-01322139134-01322139521-01322149987-01322176895- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009802.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322137357-01322137596-01322139134-01322139521-01322149987-01322176895-01322217665- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009823.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322137357-01322137596-01322139134-01322139521-01322149987-01322178011- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009803.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322137357-01322137596-01322139134-01322139521-01322149987-01322178011-01322217767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009824.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322137357-01322137596-01322139134-01322139521-01322149987-01322178011-01322217767-01322271103- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009839.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322137357-01322137596-01322139134-01322139521-01322149987-01322178011-01322217767-01322271103-01322294060- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009840.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322137357-01322137596-01322139134-01322139521-01322149987-01322178011-01322217767-01322271103-01322294060-01322316900- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009845.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322137357-01322137596-01322139134-01322139521-01322149987-01322178011-01322217767-01322271103-01322294060-01322316900-01322318868- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009850.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322137357-01322137596-01322139134-01322139521-01322149987-01322178011-01322217767-01322271103-01322294060-01322316900-01322318868-01322319920- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009854.html">[Mageia-dev] ffmpeg in mageia1 updates testing (revision 171164)
+</A><A NAME="9854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322139647- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009792.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 3431] ffmpeg security update to version 0.7.8
+</A><A NAME="9792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322139647-01322153965- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009797.html">[Mageia-dev] [Bug 3431] ffmpeg security update to version 0.7.8
+</A><A NAME="9797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322140109- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009793.html">[Mageia-dev] Down to one missing libclutter for update
+</A><A NAME="9793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322140109-01322141995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009794.html">[Mageia-dev] Down to one missing libclutter for update
+</A><A NAME="9794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322167429- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009798.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322167429-01322168227- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009799.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322167429-01322168227-01322187941- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009805.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01322167429-01322168227-01322188208- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009806.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01322167429-01322188257- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009807.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322167429-01322188257-01322190219- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009810.html">[Mageia-dev] eclipse installation under cauldron
+</A><A NAME="9810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Duane Phinney
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322167429-01322188257-01322190219-01322192549- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009811.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322167429-01322188257-01322190219-01322192549-01322194846- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009812.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Duane Phinney
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322167429-01322188257-01322190219-01322192549-01322194846-01322196361- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009813.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322167429-01322188257-01322190219-01322192549-01322194846-01322196361-01322197455- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009814.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Duane Phinney
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322167429-01322188257-01322190219-01322192549-01322194846-01322196361-01322197455-01322208423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009817.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322167429-01322188257-01322190219-01322192549-01322194846-01322196361-01322197455-01322208423-01322234049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009835.html">[Mageia-dev] [Off topic: GPG-signature]
+</A><A NAME="9835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322179313- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009804.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322179313-01322212328- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009822.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322179313-01322212328-01322220425- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009826.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322179313-01322212328-01322220425-01322220833- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009827.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01322179313-01322230678- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009832.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322179313-01322230678-01322231131- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009833.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01322179313-01322233076- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009834.html">[Mageia-dev] Weirdness with GnomeShell theme
+</A><A NAME="9834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322188772- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009808.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322188772-01322212207- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009821.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322188772-01322212207-01322218453- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009825.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322188772-01322212207-01322218453-01322223577- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009828.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322188772-01322212207-01322218453-01322223577-01322223999- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009829.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322188772-01322212207-01322218453-01322223577-01322223999-01322230562- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009830.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322188772-01322212207-01322218453-01322223577-01322223999-01322230562-01322234490- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009836.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322188772-01322212207-01322218453-01322223577-01322223999-01322230600- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009831.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322188772-01322212207-01322218453-01322223577-01322223999-01322230600-01322234611- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009837.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal to change default gtk3 theme back to upstream choice
+</A><A NAME="9837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322188809- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009809.html">[Mageia-dev] Eclipse MarketPlace plugin
+</A><A NAME="9809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322204168- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009815.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322204168-01322208242- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009816.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01322204168-01322211962- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009820.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322204168-01322211962-01322296480- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009841.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322204168-01322211962-01322296480-01322306722- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009842.html">[Mageia-dev] update problems, KDE...
+</A><A NAME="9842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322209574- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009818.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdebase4-runtime-4.7.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322209574-01322211884- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009819.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdebase4-runtime-4.7.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322256957- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009838.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 alpha 1 is out
+</A><A NAME="9838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322316471- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009843.html">[Mageia-dev] non-working uninstall trigger
+</A><A NAME="9843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322316471-01322316587- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009844.html">[Mageia-dev] non-working uninstall trigger
+</A><A NAME="9844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322317898- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009846.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-10.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322317898-01322319002- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009851.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-10.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322317898-01322319002-01322319115- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009852.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-10.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322317898-01322319002-01322319115-01322319572- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009853.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release module-init-tools-3.16-10.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322318414- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009847.html">[Mageia-dev] removing .la files harmful ?
+</A><A NAME="9847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322318414-01322318455- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009848.html">[Mageia-dev] removing .la files harmful ?
+</A><A NAME="9848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01322318414-01322318824- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009849.html">[Mageia-dev] removing .la files harmful ?
+</A><A NAME="9849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322353835- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009856.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [160945] imported package json-smart
+</A><A NAME="9856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322398536- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009858.html">[Mageia-dev] Filing a hardware related bug??
+</A><A NAME="9858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322398536-01322399420- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009859.html">[Mageia-dev] Filing a hardware related bug??
+</A><A NAME="9859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322435511- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009860.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [155556] update to 1.0.0.RELEASE
+</A><A NAME="9860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322455351- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009861.html">[Mageia-dev] %ldflags, a shared library (xchat-plugin)
+</A><A NAME="9861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322455351-01322469486- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009863.html">[Mageia-dev] %ldflags, a shared library (xchat-plugin)
+</A><A NAME="9863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322455351-01322469486-01322472963- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009865.html">[Mageia-dev] %ldflags, a shared library (xchat-plugin)
+</A><A NAME="9865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322455639- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009862.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="9862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322455639-01322470869- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009864.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="9864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01322455639-01322643530- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009997.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="9997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322455639-01322643530-01322644494- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009998.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="9998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01322455639-01322643530-01322662989- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010012.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related games
+</A><A NAME="10012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322473931- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009866.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322473931-01322474191- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009867.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01322473931-01322474616- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009868.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322473931-01322474616-01322475434- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009869.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322473931-01322474616-01322475434-01322475574- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009871.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322474616-01322475434-01322475574-01322475775- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009873.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322474616-01322475434-01322475574-01322475775-01322476032- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009874.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322474616-01322475434-01322475574-01322475775-01322476032-01322476788- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009879.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322474616-01322475434-01322475574-01322475775-01322476032-01322476788-01322477077- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009880.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322474616-01322475434-01322475574-01322475775-01322476032-01322476788-01322531710- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009924.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322474616-01322475434-01322475574-01322475775-01322476032-01322476788-01322531710-01322552582- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009927.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01322473931-01322474616-01322475527- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009870.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322473931-01322474616-01322475527-01322475753- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009872.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01322473931-01322476121- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009875.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322473931-01322476121-01322476350- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009876.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009877.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322476821- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009878.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322477144- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009881.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322477144-01322488528- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009896.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322477144-01322488528-01322489401- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009898.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322477144-01322488528-01322489401-01322490324- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009900.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322477144-01322488528-01322489401-01322490324-01322491498- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009904.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322477144-01322488528-01322489401-01322490324-01322491498-01322497395- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009906.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322477144-01322488528-01322489401-01322490324-01322499299- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009912.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322477144-01322488528-01322489401-01322495358- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009905.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322477144-01322488528-01322491399- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009903.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009883.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322479861- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009885.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322479861-01322481074- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009888.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322479861-01322481074-01322481574- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009889.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322479861-01322481074-01322481574-01322481758- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009890.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322479861-01322483212- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009891.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009895.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322502071- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009913.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009918.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009930.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009932.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009934.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009936.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009937.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565458- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009938.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009939.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009940.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841-01322567010- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009944.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841-01322567010-01322571188- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009946.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841-01322567010-01322576584- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009956.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841-01322567010-01322576584-01322578147- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009957.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841-01322567010-01322576584-01322578147-01322581443- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009960.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841-01322567010-01322576584-01322578147-01322581443-01322581998- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009961.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841-01322567010-01322576584-01322635773- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009990.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841-01322572662- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009947.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841-01322572662-01322573473- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009949.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841-01322572662-01322573473-01322575342- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009955.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Denielou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841-01322572662-01322573473-01322575465- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009954.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841-01322572662-01322573473-01322604759- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009973.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841-01322572662-01322573473-01322604759-01322607248- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009976.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841-01322572662-01322574278- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009950.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841-01322572662-01322574278-01322574702- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009952.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322564887-01322565603-01322565841-01322572662-01322574278-01322579381- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009958.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322511029-01322557636-01322558068-01322559864-01322561110-01322634981- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009989.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322534840- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009925.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322534840-01322559017- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009933.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322534840-01322606252- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009975.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322534840-01322606252-01322611898- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009984.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="9984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322473931-01322476121-01322476358-01322478567-01322487634-01322534840-01322606252-01322611898-01322657375- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010005.html">[Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .
+</A><A NAME="10005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322477353- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009882.html">[Mageia-dev] Libification of oxygen-gtk3
+</A><A NAME="9882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322477353-01322490484- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009901.html">[Mageia-dev] Libification of oxygen-gtk3
+</A><A NAME="9901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322477353-01322490484-01322499178- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009910.html">[Mageia-dev] Libification of oxygen-gtk3
+</A><A NAME="9910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322479713- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009884.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release systemd-37-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322479713-01322480443- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009887.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release systemd-37-12.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322484103- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009892.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322484103-01322484645- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009893.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01322484103-01322485756- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009894.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322484103-01322485756-01322511356- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009919.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322484103-01322485756-01322511356-01322512176- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009920.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322484103-01322485756-01322511356-01322512716- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009921.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322484103-01322485756-01322511356-01322512716-01322587995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009964.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01322484103-01322588199- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009965.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322484103-01322588199-01322603275- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009972.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01322484103-01322588199-01322605989- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009974.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="9974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322484103-01322588199-01322605989-01322646616- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010001.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="10001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322484103-01322588199-01322605989-01322646616-01322673187- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010023.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="10023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322488802- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009897.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322488802-01322489503- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009899.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01322488802-01322498561- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009907.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322488802-01322498561-01322498606- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009908.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322488802-01322498561-01322498606-01322499293- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009911.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322488802-01322498561-01322498606-01322499293-01322502254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009914.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322488802-01322498561-01322498606-01322499293-01322502254-01322505509- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009915.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322488802-01322498561-01322498606-01322499293-01322502254-01322505509-01322506003- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009916.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322488802-01322498561-01322498606-01322499293-01322502254-01322505509-01322506003-01322566753- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009941.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322488802-01322498561-01322498606-01322499293-01322502254-01322505509-01322506003-01322566753-01322637943- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009993.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="9993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322488802-01322498561-01322498606-01322499293-01322502254-01322505509-01322506003-01322566753-01322637943-01322645988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010000.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322488802-01322498561-01322498606-01322499293-01322502254-01322505509-01322506003-01322566753-01322637943-01322645988-01322660269- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010007.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322488802-01322498561-01322498606-01322499293-01322502254-01322505509-01322506003-01322566753-01322637943-01322645988-01322660269-01322662107- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010008.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322488802-01322498561-01322498606-01322499293-01322502254-01322505509-01322506003-01322566753-01322637943-01322645988-01322660269-01322662107-01322662312- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010009.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322488802-01322498561-01322498606-01322499293-01322502254-01322505509-01322506003-01322566753-01322637943-01322645988-01322660269-01322662107-01322662312-01322662758- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010010.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322488802-01322498561-01322498606-01322499293-01322502254-01322505509-01322506003-01322566753-01322637943-01322645988-01322660269-01322662107-01322662312-01322693370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010030.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322491165- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009902.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322498797- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009909.html">[Mageia-dev] Xfce default shortcuts
+</A><A NAME="9909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pe&#357;o&#353; &#352;afa&#345;&#237;k
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322507572- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009917.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322507572-01322566862- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009942.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322507572-01322566862-01322596096- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009970.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.1.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="9970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322560674- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009935.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322560674-01322567027- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009943.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322560674-01322567027-01322567619- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009945.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322560674-01322567027-01322567619-01322572862- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009948.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11 (was: gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut)
+</A><A NAME="9948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322560674-01322567027-01322567619-01322572862-01322574551- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009951.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11 (was: gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut)
+</A><A NAME="9951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322560674-01322567027-01322567619-01322572862-01322575453- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009953.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322560674-01322567027-01322567619-01322572862-01322575453-01322579909- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009959.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322560674-01322567027-01322567619-01322572862-01322575453-01322579909-01322582298- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009962.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322560674-01322567027-01322567619-01322572862-01322575453-01322579909-01322582298-01322609060- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009979.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322560674-01322567027-01322567619-01322572862-01322575453-01322579909-01322582298-01322609060-01322609702- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009981.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322560674-01322567027-01322567619-01322572862-01322575453-01322579909-01322582298-01322609060-01322609702-01322609904- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009982.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322560674-01322567027-01322567619-01322572862-01322575453-01322579909-01322582298-01322609060-01322609702-01322609904-01322610323- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009983.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322560674-01322567027-01322567619-01322572862-01322575453-01322579909-01322608356- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009977.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322560674-01322567027-01322567619-01322572862-01322575453-01322579909-01322608356-01322608663- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009978.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322560674-01322567027-01322567619-01322572862-01322575453-01322609607- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009980.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="9980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322560674-01322567027-01322567619-01322572862-01322575453-01322609607-01322691262- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010029.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="10029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322560674-01322567027-01322567619-01322587821- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009963.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322560674-01322567027-01322567619-01322587821-01322593874- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009968.html">[Mageia-dev] gnome: trouble with keyboard shortcut
+</A><A NAME="9968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322590055- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009966.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322590055-01322593507- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009967.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01322590055-01322612548- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009985.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01322590055-01322613619- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009986.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322590055-01322613619-01322617487- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009987.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322590055-01322613619-01322617487-01322637660- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009991.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322590055-01322613619-01322617487-01322645751- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009999.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322590055-01322613619-01322617487-01322645751-01322648785- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010002.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01322590055-01322613619-01322649430- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010003.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01322590055-01322637742- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009992.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="9992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322595179- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009969.html">[Mageia-dev] glibc-debug missing libc symbols ?
+</A><A NAME="9969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322638775- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009994.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="9994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322638775-01322638983- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009995.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="9995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01322638775-01322657585- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010006.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322638775-01322657585-01322665111- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010018.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322638775-01322657585-01322665111-01322665474- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010019.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322638775-01322657585-01322665111-01322665474-01322666957- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010020.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322638775-01322657585-01322665111-01322666586- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010021.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322638775-01322657585-01322665111-01322675526- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010024.html">[Mageia-dev] Major issues after latest updates
+</A><A NAME="10024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322642135- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009996.html">[Mageia-dev] Mail client not installed
+</A><A NAME="9996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322650713- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010004.html">[Mageia-dev] Additional spec check: libvirt-glib
+</A><A NAME="10004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322650713-01322669656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010022.html">[Mageia-dev] Additional spec check: libvirt-glib
+</A><A NAME="10022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322663648- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010013.html">[Mageia-dev] spice-gtk submission failure
+</A><A NAME="10013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322663648-01322663995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010014.html">[Mageia-dev] spice-gtk submission failure
+</A><A NAME="10014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthew Dawkins
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01322663648-01322664033- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010015.html">[Mageia-dev] spice-gtk submission failure
+</A><A NAME="10015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322663648-01322664033-01322664200- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010016.html">[Mageia-dev] spice-gtk submission failure
+</A><A NAME="10016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322664911- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010017.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="10017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322664911-01322679078- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010025.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="10025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322686102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010027.html">[Mageia-dev] request for volunteer: noting important cauldron changes
+</A><A NAME="10027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
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