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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Removal of non-free firmware from core section</H1>
<B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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<PRE>2011/11/10 xi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ctrl.alt.sup at free.fr</A>>:
><i> Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> 2011/11/10 Frank Griffin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>>:
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> On 11/10/2011 02:25 AM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
</I>>>>><i>
</I>>>>><i> In other words, you would prefer to have non-free drivers to remain in
</I>>>>><i> the
</I>>>>><i> "core" tree because otherwise some hardware may not work? (Did i
</I>>>>><i> understand
</I>>>>><i> you correctly?)
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> If we're going to have core and non-free to begin with, then non-free
</I>>>><i> stuff
</I>>>><i> shouldn't be in core.  That being said, it isn't the problem here.  The
</I>>>><i> problem is that non-free isn't as available as core.  It should be, based
</I>>>><i> on
</I>>>><i> prompting the user during install.  Those who want a totally free system
</I>>>><i> that lacks non-free functionality just have to say no.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> If it makes a philosophical difference, then have no default and require
</I>>>><i> the
</I>>>><i> user to explicitly answer yes or no, and get treated accordingly.
</I>>>><i>  Putting
</I>>>><i> non-free stuff in core is an attempted solution to the problem that
</I>>>><i> enabling
</I>>>><i> and using non-free in an installed core-only system is much more
</I>>>><i> complicated
</I>>>><i> than it ought to be.  By the time a user boots his installed system,
</I>>>><i> non-free stuff should already be there if he wants it there.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> By the time a user boots his installed system he either has the online
</I>>><i> repositories already set (after install from liveCD) or is just a
</I>>><i> mouse click away from setting them. When the online repos are set the
</I>>><i> non-free repo is available if the user wants to have it.
</I>>><i>
</I>><i> What about if I don't have internet access ?
</I>
Then he should use the liveCD. As has been in Mandriva.
><i> If it is just a matter of asking to user whether or not he wants to install
</I>><i> non free firmware, then just go! But if the user with no internet access is
</I>><i> stuck because of firmware absence, then that's just stupid!
</I>
This has been the same in Mandriva times:
- an installation DVD as Free Edition without non-free stuff
- installable LiveCDs including non-free drivers.
--
wobo
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