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    <B>Robert Fox</B> 
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<PRE>On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 21:10 +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
&gt;<i> Op maandag 28 november 2011 14:40:34 schreef Michael Scherer:
</I>&gt;<i> [...]
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There is several pragmatic reasons for that and, there is also some long
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; term harm by shipping more and more proprietary software like :
</I>&gt;<i> [...]
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Personally, I aim for better stuff than fragile unsustainable hacks like
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this. And we should not start to settle on lower standards, especially
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if forced to us by non cooperative company or group. One could be
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tolerable. Two, likely. More, that's starting to generalize, and that's
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; just sending the wrong signal to the whole community, and saying to
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; company &quot;it is ok to treat us like parias&quot;. It is hard to be credible
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; when saying &quot;we want to provides a solid system&quot; and in the same time,
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; do the contrary.
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I doubt we will be able to bring real long term credibility and a
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; reputation for quality if we go this way. People can just compare Ubuntu
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; reputation to Debian one, and see which one was able to survive without
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; spending million of dollars each year. And also which one serve as a
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; base for the other.
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> You touch some interesting points here, and I appreciate you here explaining 
</I>&gt;<i> your personal opinion, I'm beginning to see more clearly your reasoning in the 
</I>&gt;<i> past, and my own reasoning. I believe i may have to review my own pov here...
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> +1
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I also see some of the valid points, but bottom line - is that Mageia
should help create working packages for the bigger ticket items (like
Skype) - in a cooperative spirit.  

We are not proposing that such packages be included in the ISOs - just
available in a repository which we can trust and know that it works . . 

That's all we ask for . . 

Cheers,
R.Fox




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